This shit ain't nothing to me, man. boxing? Yeah,
it's time for Boxing Before Dark. What time is
it where you're at? What time is it where I'm
at? I don't even know. It's 1720. Oh, you and
your army time? Well, 24 hour clock. The Japanese
use the 24 hour clock too. Yeah, that one Japanese
girl I didn't get along with very well tried
to tell me that Japan invented the 24 -hour clock.
It's going to be hard negative for me. Yeah,
yeah. She was also surprised that I knew what
it was because English speakers don't use it.
Not a surprise there. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's
1720 here and it's not dark yet. It is 9 a .m.
here. Oh, shit. I've been kind of avoiding this
because the Ali act is on the ropes. Yeah, I
haven't been able to find much actual information.
I spent a fair bit of time that one day trying
to find the actual wording because it's supposed
to be out there. You're supposed to be able to
read. You'd think so, right? um well and some
of the articles say they went and read it and
they've had lawyers read it and stuff but maybe
i'm just bad at this i could not find the actual
amendment to read so the way that honestly the
way that i understand it and this is all secondhand
like just like you said i can't i can't find
the actual The actual verbiage itself. What I'm
understanding is this is really taking the UFC
model and putting it onto boxing. Yeah. That's
really what I can get. So your manager can be
your promoter, can be your whatever. You can
have a one -person system. Yes. Which was...
Kind of what the Ali Act was made to get rid
of in the first place. That's the entire protection
that it establishes. Yeah. Is that one person
can't basically turn you into an indentured slave.
To me, a really good example of this is Dana
White's Contender series. So he has these random
ass prospects come up and they get into his television
show and they fight for him. And it's like, he's,
he manages their careers from that point until
they, if they graduate from the contender series,
then they go into his like promotional objects.
Yeah, so he has a say over everything they do
in their career. Every step of their career is
managed by him. There's nobody to negotiate for
the fighters, and there's nobody to negotiate
with in the UFC. You're negotiating with Dana
White. That's about it. It's not, well, fuck
you, I'll go fight with so -and -so instead.
The boxers change promotions when they get in
fights with their promoters. Ryan Garcia is in
the middle of this right now. Yeah, like... And
they can just say, well, fuck you, I'll go work
with Bob. Or, you know, fuck you, Eddie said
he'd pay me more. And it gives them some negotiating
power. But, like... MMA doesn't have that. There's
other promotional places, but nobody pays like
the UFC, which still pays shit. Right, I was
about to say, nobody pays like the UFC is a very
generous term, a generous use of paying, because
they sure as shit do not pay their fighters what
they're worth. No, it's... I don't want to see...
I don't think it'll work. I think that the system's
been set up in boxing long enough. But I do think
if they get this changed, some people are going
to get fucked over that wouldn't have otherwise.
There are going to be some who, my thinking is,
it would be like using the, this is not what's
going to happen. This is just me speculating.
If the boxing Grand Prix that WBC is running
with the Saudis at the moment. That, having that
be the feeder system into TKO boxing. And so
you have to get them while they're young, in
a manner of speaking. And lock them in so that
they can't go anywhere else. Yeah. That's how
you have to do it. They're trying to introduce
some minimum wage things with this change to
the Ali Act. Which makes it sound good, but it's
not worth it, in my opinion. The boxers, the
fighters as a whole, are going to lose too much
for these 20 ,000 minimums for televised fights
to make any difference. Yeah. We had a good talk
about it on boxing on the B -sides, and one of
the points that we went over was exactly this,
was that right now, there are already fighter
minimums, depending on which state in the U .S.
Yeah, other countries don't seem to have any
minimums, though. That's unfortunate. Because
they're going to be bigger targets for... I'm
pretty sure Canada doesn't have a mandatory minimum.
Some of those guys are fighting for basically
free. And I know in South America, they always,
especially the ladies boxing, they always talk
about how the women actually pay to fight at
the beginning of their career. They sell tickets.
And they'll sell the tickets for like an extra.
I'm making up numbers here, guys. Like, don't
quote me on any of this. But if a ticket is 50
bucks, they'll ask their fans to pay $52. And
those $2 will go towards them paying the promoter
to let them fight. Oh, my goodness. You hear
about this stuff if you watch those like Venezuelan,
Nicaraguan, like those kind of American. Yeah,
and it'll be like, she's fighting for a world
title, and at the beginning of her boxing career,
she was selling empanadas to pay to fight where
people would see her so she could get her career
started, and that sort of thing. Like, when she
was 15, she sold whatever to pay to be seen.
Working this menial job just to get a chance.
Yeah. That sounds a lot like what... That's not
that dissimilar from what we see in UFC where
guys are doing their Uber drivers or working
other menial jobs because their minimums, the
minimums that are established by the supposedly
caring promotional companies, no, these guys
can't survive off of that. To expect anything
different from an MMA promoter who has been waiting
his entire fucking life, like frothing at his
mouth to get into boxing so that he could exploit
the fighters the same way that he does in MMA.
If you're expecting him to do something benevolent
and take care of his dudes, you're completely...
I don't know what to say to you. Naive, at the
best. At best, you're naive. At worst, you're
just like him. Yeah. Oh, God. Man, Dana White
is... I never watched UFC. I never watched MMA
at all before I started doing the ultimate effing
casuals. Never, ever in my life. I just didn't
care. It was not important to me. But as I've
gotten to know UFC, I've gotten to know 1FC,
PFL, and Bellator, I've gotten to know the different
organizations that are in the MMA world. Dana
White is a complete piece of fucking garbage.
Yeah. He is a garbage human being. I don't know
how much more kindly I can put it. He is a terrible
person. Than calling him a garbage human being.
Him moving into boxing is not going to benefit
boxers. At all. Definitely not. He's going to
be the next Don King if he gets in there. I would
call that succinct. Yeah, that's what it's going
to be. And if they remove the Ali Act, he's not
going to get sued nearly as much as Don King.
There will not be any guardrails that are going
to prevent him from being the piece of shit that
he actually is. Yeah. Oh, man. I really hope...
It's asking a lot, but... This... The Ali Boxing
Revival Act, as they're calling it. Which is
just a fucking slap in the face. It really is.
That's terrible. If you could... If you care...
If you genuinely care about boxing... the integrity
of the sport, which we already know is questionable
at best. But if you really do want to protect
it from this type of person, you genuinely have
to call your legislators. And you have to keep
them from allowing this type of legislation to
pass. I'm not sure how else... How else is this
supposed to happen? How else are we supposed
to block something like this? Well, and I should
have put it on the outline. I completely forgot.
What's the boxing union? It's not a real union,
but you know what I mean. The Fighters Association?
Yeah. They didn't even get to read this before
it was brought before Congress. The Fighters
Association, like, you can say whatever you want
about Jake Paul. I will never stop singing that
man's praises because of stuff like the Fighters
Association. This is as close to a union as the
fighters have. And, man, they didn't even get
a chance to read through the actual text of this
before it got sent to the floor. I've seen that
in multiple articles, like the fighters representatives
in the association didn't even get to look at
it. So the fighters association, I don't know
exactly how it's set up, but somebody looked
at it, but not the people who actually interact
with retired fighters. So somebody in that association
approved it, but the people who actually care
about the fighters and the fighters in the association,
the retired fighters in the association, didn't
get to look at it before the association gave
it their stamp of approval. Apparently, according
to the articles online, somebody, well, we know
who it is. Dana White just paid somebody to stamp
it. Well, yeah, his BFF. is in the white house
so yeah oh my god all things are politics dudes
if you're if you really think that you could
just pay attention to fights just watch the fights
and not have to ever worry about the shit like
man your your favorite fighters today are gonna
be retiring soon and yeah what's gonna happen
to them when they retire Well, and speaking about
worrying about associations and politics, the
JBC has taken another L since we recorded the
last one. I think it was announced the day we
recorded, actually. Urakawa passed as well. So
the other fighter on that August 2nd card, he
passed away. So that's two people died on the
same card. This is the one that was in the eight
-round fight. And what was their move was to
lower the round count? Yeah, so the Japanese
titles have been 12 round fights, I think, forever.
And they're lowering them to 10 round fights
now. Oh, yeah, because it wasn't an eight round
fighter that just died. Well, he hadn't died
when they announced that. Oh, right. That makes
a big difference. Not at all. In other JBCL news,
Yudai Shigeoka has announced his retirement to
become his brother's caretaker. So he put up
a post saying he was doing hours and hours of
rehab with his brother. But it was a little hard
to tell whether he was awake or not. Because
when people are in a coma, you still have to
rehab their muscles and things. Yeah, you have
to move them around. Yeah. Right. But since then,
I guess he's realized that people couldn't tell.
He put out a very short video of him talking
to his brother. It's framed very carefully, so
you can't see Jinjiro at all. But... He's holding
his brother's hand up and his brother closes
his fist and tries to do the Hawaii thing. He
gives mostly a thumbs up. He doesn't make any
noises at all, which I do think probably means
that he can't talk. His brother's talking to
him. Yudai's talking to him, but he's just moving
his hands in the video. I assume it's really
bad. He's responsive. He's awake, and he's not
100 % paralyzed, but I assume if he could even
just sit... I don't know how to put this correctly.
I know what I'm saying isn't right, but if he
could sit and look mostly normal with his face,
they would show a picture. No, that's not at
all asking too much. I don't think it is. No,
I just... I just mean, like, I think he's probably
really bad off. Which is not a surprise. He had
multiple brain surgeries. But... God. And also,
this one I forgot to put on the outline. Jin
Sasaki's back in training camp. Jesus Christ.
He's gonna get hurt. That man's gonna get hurt.
Yeah. I'm expecting he better get at least two
soft touches, but it's Japan. He's not going
to. They're going to throw him in there with
another contender again. He's probably going
to have hard sparring. Yeah. In the midst of
whatever training camps he gets. The way that
Josh put it on B -Sides was something about that
culture needs to change. And I don't know how
many more people have to die before the Japanese
Boxing Commission figures it out. Yeah, obviously,
like, we're not the experts on this stuff. Of
course not. But Pro Box had an episode with Chris
Eldieri and Pauly Malignaggi there talking about
the JBC and the Japanese culture around boxing
and sparring. And I thought it was a good discussion.
They were talking something I hadn't really heard
or knew anything about because, again, I never
boxed. But Japan goes really old school, apparently,
according to them. And they get you on weight
multiple days before the weigh -in, or basically
on weight. And they're still doing sparring while
they're dehydrated. Yeesh. Which is not good.
No. Hard sparring when you're already dehydrated
does not sound like a good idea. With the smaller
gloves and probably no headgear of any kind.
Yeah. I don't know. I am just waiting to hear
or see that Jin Sasaki ends up in the hospital
after his next fight. Because they're not going
to give him a soft touch. He's going to train
the same way he always has. I love Japanese boxing,
but something's fucked. It's broken and you need
to fix it. There's something very clearly wrong.
Josh put it perfectly with this is a cultural
problem. Yeah. The warrior spirit is commendable.
It really is. And I don't think... It's impossible
to maintain that warrior spirit with cutting
down on the hard sparring. There was a 1FC situation
where a Thai fighter versus a Japanese. It was
a kickboxing fight. And the Thai fighter had
a lingering injury. from fucking sparring coming
into a fight. Like, I do not think that this
is too dissimilar from just regular boxing. I
do. I have not very much basis to base this on,
but I do think the JBC ignores injuries more.
Like, I think they let people back into fights,
hard fights. right away when they probably should.
Well, we can't let the world... I am waving my
hands in really thick quotation marks or thick
irony. We can't let the world think that we're
pussies. Yeah. Is what it is. Oh, man. How many
more people have to die before you figure out
that you need to fucking change something? Well,
that's four people this year. This year, let
alone... So two died, but I mean, that's four
people whose lives are probably fucked. They're
never boxing again. Right now, Jin Sasaki...
Well, right now, Jin Sasaki is. But I'm not thinking
this is going to go well for him. I'm very pessimistic
on his... As am I. Everything. Just based on
the track record. I am not betting that he's
going to be doing very well. But I do have a
funny Japanese boxing thing to throw in here
to lighten the mood just a little. So I think
I mentioned last week that Seiya Satsumi is in
Mexico. And he's been live streaming his walk
to the gym every morning. is right before bed
for me. So I've been jumping on and watching
his live stream. He cannot figure out the fucking
coffee machine at a Mexican convenience store.
It has been so hilarious. So the very first day
it made sense. It's one of those ones where you
press the button and you put the cup underneath
and it comes down and he lined it up with the
little half circle. He lined the cup, pushed
it all the way in and the coffee completely missed
the cup. That one's perfectly understandable.
And he freaked out, like moved it. And it was
really funny. The next day he came in the convenience
store and he was talking about buying a monster
energy drink instead. And the chat's like, no,
you have to use the machine. So he puts it against
the backstop, pulls it ahead a bit. but not far
enough and still misses his coffee all over the
outside of his cup. And he's holding his phone,
freaking out, trying to get it, gets it all over
his hands. He pays for his coffee and he's walking
down the street with his coffee stained cup.
And like his hand was red, like it's hot coffee.
He got fucking burned. The next morning, he walks
in and the chat's just losing their mind. They're
like, you can do it. Today's the day. I believe
in you. And he goes, and he's like, okay, so
I got to put it right at the front. Right at
the front. And he's so worried about that, that
when he goes to press the button, he knocks the
cup over. hadn't pressed the button yet so this
time he got his coffee but it's just like you
can tell he's like i can't fuck it up this time
there's i think it was 130 people watching him
make his coffee the steaks are too great i can't
put it i can't i can't let my coffee spill this
time yeah so he did he didn't spill any coffee
but he did knock the cup over once and then everybody's
like is it delicious and he's like no This is
not good coffee. Not worth all the effort. Three
days of effort that I put into getting this.
Not worth it at all. It's been absolutely hilarious
to me. You know what's not absolutely hilarious?
Tank. Gervonta Davis. All charges dropped. Yeah,
I wonder how that happened. I wonder that as
well. Yeah. I guess... I hope she got paid well.
I hope perhaps he doesn't go near his kid anytime
soon, but he probably will. His very, very gay
child. Who is a toddler that probably can't talk.
Has no understanding of any of this whatsoever.
Tank needs to get his shit together. Yeah, it's...
Maybe we get the Rotary match now, though? Maybe.
Maybe that can happen now. Yeah. Speaking of
babies... Dillion White. The Baby Snatcher. I
laughed so fucking hard when I saw this. And
every interview since, it's just been, Dillion,
what do you think of that? What do you think
of being called the Baby Snatcher? Like, of all
the ways to mess up a nickname, I guess I can
kind of see it. Body snatcher to baby snatcher
is pretty easy. It isn't easy. But for a professional
journalist, I would expect better. Yeah. So I
did see one interview where Dillion was like,
oh, they did it on purpose just to mess with
me. It's all mind games. He's like, they rerouted
some of my team. their um plane got lost or something
or their plane tickets got changed so they had
like a six hour layover i don't know what the
hell he's talking about but the baby snatcher
is going to stick so long the baby snatcher if
i if i had the chance to talk to him like even
it it's um One of the things that you have to
think about is when you're doing this, like the
floor for boxing, to get into like boxing media,
boxing journalism, the floor is pretty low. Yeah.
So it is possible that we could get somebody
into Dillian White's vicinity to ask him about
baby snatching. We need to send Robbie. We could
send somebody. This is not out of the realm of
possibility. It's not that I haven't, that we,
Lux Media, it's not that we don't have access
to these things, it's that we don't have personnel
to go to them. Yeah. That's really what it comes
down to. Well, and in my case, I... I'm too nervous
trying to talk to people. Yeah, trying to get
yourself ingratiated with a Japanese as a foreigner
is not easy. I've had several attempts in my
life and usually didn't go well. No, they're
very polite. Overly polite. in my opinion but
well i'm canadian so actually a lot of these
oh it's so japanese and foreigners would never
get it i'm like we do that too guys like people
don't say no to things like oh yeah maybe i'll
see if i can come that's just a no like i i don't
think the politeness is as strange as japan thinks
it is but they just assume that you can't get
it because you're foreign And I'm like, you guys
don't get sarcasm. True. That's actually completely
true. Which ruins like 90 % of my communication
with my friends. I have had to really think about,
like, they don't understand tone changes change
the meaning of words in English. That's so interesting.
Yeah. They don't get that? No, like you can make
it as obvious as possible. How obvious could
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like, oh, Benita, do you want to try these shrimp
crackers? And I don't eat seafood at all. And
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They bought me shrimp crackers. I was like, God
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forgot I was talking to people who don't understand.
Yeah. It's my fault, but... Oh, shit. Anything
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We have previews this week, Leo. We do. We don't
have any recamps, but we have some previews.
So let's get right into it. Wednesday, August
20th. In the U .S., this will be starting around
midnight, 01 timeframe. If you're in Japan, probably
like 16 or 1700. But we have a bunch of shit
that I don't really care about. Moving to Jasmine
Parr, jazzy, decent prospect on the ladies' side.
So if you want to get yourself more well -versed
in the women's part of the sport. Brock Jarvis,
that same Brock Jarvis who fought Keith Thurman
versus Sam Beck. This is really fucked up. Brock
Jarvis is 22 -2 versus Sam Beck, 7 -0. Throwing
the young man to the wolves. He's not that young,
though. He's 30. 30. The low experience, I guess.
Yeah. Moving up into the co -main, Michael Zarafa.
That Michael Zarafa. If you've been watching,
he's been on like some PBC cards like a handful
of times. And if you've been paying attention
to Australian boxing, which if you listen to
us, then you are familiar with this name. He'll
be fighting Mikey Dahlman. From America. Oh,
he's got to get himself international again.
I actually don't know who Mikey Dolman is. I
don't either, but... Nikita Zoo and the headline
verse, Lulzim Ismaili. Right now... From Macedonia.
Oh, well. Right now, this is the better of the
Zoo Brothers. Unfortunately, for Tim. This is
the hope for the Zoo Clan. Yeah. I hope it goes
well. I can't... I don't know. I assume this
guy was kind of brought in to lose. You would
think. I would think as well. But you never know,
I guess. Has he fought outside of Macedonia?
Germany? Albania, Germany. A lot of Germany fights.
Okay. So he's Euro level. No big deal. Still,
I expect Nikita to take care of business. But
it's always good to watch the Australian fights.
At least for me, they're at a time I can watch
during the week. Yeah, they should be on your
Wednesday evening. Yeah. Let's move on to Friday,
August 22nd in the U .S. Oh, actually, Leo, can
I step back real quick? Go ahead. Tuesday, August
19th, Aoi Yokoyama is fighting. Oh, shit. I have
a ticket. I forget who his opponent is, but it
is for some sort of trinket belt. I just need
to look it up real quick. Very nice. The Oriental
Pacific... Yeah. OPBF what? Superfly. Oh, shit.
So he's going for a legit regional title. Yeah.
against rusey baba who doesn't seem to have a
pitcher on box rec so also seems pretty prospecty
uh four and two but i bought a ticket i think
it should be fun i'm uh i'm excited So this is
Yokoyama's fourth fight. Going for a regional
belt in four fights is pretty Japanese, but pretty
good. Is it going to be on any streaming services
in JP? Probably Lemino, I think. This is the
one that is like a triple promotion. It's Watanabe,
The Kamedas, and someone else. The Kamedas? Yeah,
that 360 lush thing. Yokoyama's with Watanabe.
He's not with the Kamedas. Anyways, I'm excited.
It's his first time headlining. The old folks
home did a really cute video, a cheer video for
him. I missed out on the merchandise. I ordered
my ticket too late, but I'm hoping they're selling
something at the place. I'm sure they will be.
Yeah. Second batch. All right. Friday, August
22nd. It's the MVP Prospects. Most Valuable Prospects
series. I think this is their 14th iteration.
I don't think I've... recognize any of those
names. Yeah, it's Prospects. Not anybody really
to recognize. Queensberry on the 23rd. This will
be about midday on the west coast of the US at
the Planet Ice in Altrincham. Fucking Mark Chamberlain.
The only reason I brought this guy up is because
Eddie Hearn has highlighted him a few times.
And he's one of his fuckselency's favorites.
I do recognize Rafferty. Yeah, Jack Rafferty.
I recognize this picture. And last thing. MVP
fight night at the Caribe Royale Orlando in the
U .S. There's some good fights on here, even
if you don't know the main or co -main. Lucas
Body is a pretty decent name for Roger Gutierrez.
Jermaine Ortiz versus Steve Claggett should be
a good win for Jermaine Ortiz. Yeah, I mean,
technically, I have to cheer for Claygett. He's
from Calgary. Yeah, he's homegrown for you. Yeah,
and actually, like, the same part of Canada as
me, so... There is one thing. In the main and
co -main... The way that I put it on B -Sides
was, like, this is islander Spanish for those
Caribbean islanders. This dude's name is Yanquiel.
And then the main event, Yoenis. And if we jump
back really quick to the... mvp the prospect
series the co -main event there his name is yo
elvis yo elvis i thought was pretty hilarious
actually so that there you go that's that's some
islander spanish for you like i i don't know
i i don't know that's cuban right they're all
cuban not necessarily it could be uh dominican
um Most likely Cuban, but it's possible that
they're like Dominican, Dominica. It's not a
guarantee that they're Cuban. Oh, Yanquiel's
from Puerto Rico. I didn't want to mention them.
I thought they did better than that. I was just
looking on BoxRec. The other two are Cuban, but
he's from Puerto Rico. Well, there you have it.
That's all we got. Something to watch, anyway.
Yeah, there is boxing on. Not necessarily the
greatest, but of all of the stuff that we previewed,
I would have to say Nikita Zu is the one that
has my attention. More than anyone else. I do
expect that to be very lopsided, though. Yes.
Like, I don't know if it'll be a super entertaining
fight. I would like to see Nikita Zu tested a
little bit. Or to have a little bit of a challenge.
Because he's still really young. Or he's still
really young in his career. So, I'd like to see
him have something of a challenge. I think for
fun -to -watch fights, that last one, the MVP
fight night, or whatever they call it, will probably
have the closest matchups. Yeah, the top four
on there are worth watching. If you have other
things to do with your time, please don't think
you're missing out on shit. Don't skip family
supper this week. Right, if you've got family
stuff for just... your friends want to go out
or whatever like dude go do that all right yeah
but we have no friends so we'll watch it and
tell you about it we're the friends are on the
podcast if they're not on if they're not here
they're on b -sides uh they're on ultimate effing
casuals like i i all i have is fight nerds that's
all i got IRL friends are overrated. All right,
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.net. So, we are heading into a relatively light
weekend. Parting words. I always forget to plan
parting words. I don't know. I'm going to keep
it simple this week. Just stay frosty. Stay frosty.
Yeah. It's hard this time of year. That is a
full -time job for me, staying frosty. If your
brother has post -comatose... situations then
be there to do hang loose with him I do think
that's that's not surprising or anything but
I do think that's a very good thing for Yudai
to do it is it's a really noble thing for him
to do yeah like he he has relatives other than
Yudai that could become the primary caretaker.
He didn't have to do that for him. Let me see.
I'm going to throw one out by Maya Angelou just
to give something substantial. You are the sum
total of everything you've ever seen, heard,
eaten, smelled, been told, or forgot. It's all
there. Everything influences each of us. And
because of that, I try to make sure that my experiences
are positive. That's Maya Angelou. I'm not that
smart. Sorry. Surprising no one. To the surprise
of fucking nobody. But there you go. We opened
up with cat shit and we end with Maya Angelou.
Yeah. What can I say? Alright, that's it. Boxing
Before Dark. See you on the other side. Bye.