The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. That
B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Alright. Boxing B -Sides. We are back up in your
ears. I am joined by the one and only Saul. Okay.
And the homie, the frosty homie, Josh. What up?
Well, this... If you didn't get the Patreon version
of this, then you're missing out on a good chunk
of time. I'm missing out on the entertaining
parts of this podcast because it is dismal. This
one is unfortunately... really lacking. Hey,
we should go to Spirits, man. Every podcast is
a gem. Come on, guys. This one's lacking. This
one's lacking. Worst B -side podcast is better
than any Sean Porter podcast. Oh. Saying that
to Sean Porter, that's like... Yeah, of course.
I'm sorry. I love Sean Porter. I do, too. Sean
Porter is no shit. The first... boxer I ever
met in person. Really? Yeah, Sean Porter. Must
have been memorable, huh? It was. He was super
cool. Talked about whatever. He was fun. I even
asked him about the Cleveland football team.
Just whatever. He was cool. He was with his wife.
I didn't know that was his wife at the time.
But I was like, yeah, sorry to take your dude
for a few minutes. What point of his career was
he in? He was no shit about to fight Andre Berto.
Oh, shit. Okay. Right then. He was like two weeks
out from fighting. Andre Berto, and he looked
good. He didn't look drained or anything like
that. His face wasn't all sulking and sullen.
It was fine. He looked fine. He looked good.
That's good. I got a little overexcited first
handshake. grabbed his arms like god damn god
damn dog i'm touching his arm yeah like i i just
i didn't even think about it like i just i yeah
like we went for the handshake i just grabbed
i didn't even think about it i just grabbed his
arm and he and he grabbed my hand sorry you probably
made his wife jealous a little bit too too eager
central i went a little bit too far there Yeah,
I should have. Can I please cut you, Sean Porter?
It was really cool. He was really gracious. It
was to date of all the boxers I've met. It was
the best experience ever. It was Sean Porter.
Oh, man. We don't have a whole lot in our recaps
here. There's two cards. We'll get to the smaller
one first, and that was Tony Harrison picks up
a dub over who? I think that Dazone was being
really generous when they were talking up how
this performance was. I don't know. Josh, you
watched this one too, right? And you had some
concerns? Yeah, Harrison... I'm not telling you
your business, but Harrison should... He's not
looking... He's never been sturdy, but... Not
to say that in any way he even looks it anymore.
Yeah. Some guys should hang him up, but not out
of any other thing. There's a lot of life to
live. at 34. That's how old Tony Harrison is?
He's 34. There's a lot of life to live. He's
still younger than Uson can pack, man. Come on,
guy. Yeah, but I mean, the miles on the clock
there. Hold on. I want to pull up who's at 154
because I feel like... That was a 160. He's not
154 anymore. Oh, shit. Okay, my mistake. That,
even better, like, that does give him some options.
Yeah, he does have a contention window. It's
just, like, man, you gotta... It's just really
steep. The peak, the summit is extremely steep.
Yeah, like, he's just, like, he's just... He's
never been all that durable. Still is. And he's
less durable than he was. Mm -hmm. It's just
not a good idea for him. He'll get himself a
few more fights. They'll be fine. They'll be
whatever. Pick a random guy from France or from
Ireland. And there you go. You got some Tony
Harrison opponents. Yeah, I just don't think
it's in his best interest anymore. He said himself
that he felt better as a coach than he has as
a fighter. Yeah, Harrison actually might be a
good coach. Yeah, from what he says, if nothing
else, he enjoys it better. And so, like he said,
a lot of life to live. Yeah, dude. If you want
to coach, don't let anything stop you. Yeah.
Moving up. Clarissa Shields versus Lonnie Daniels.
This was fine. It is what it is, man. Clarissa,
it was fine. It is what it is. Clarissa needs
to start fighting men at this point because there's
no one in her, like, remotely close to her weight
that can hang with her. I think that's a fair
point. Like, that's where we're at. Her maybe
versus Virgil Ortiz? I think the level of...
contender that she would be fighting is not gonna
be I think what some what some people would like
expect I think that they would overestimate Clarissa
Shields and say like oh she should be fighting
Terrence Crawford or yeah like no No, we're not
there. Something fucking ridiculous like that.
Like, no. Jojo Diaz. Hey, like, Nico Ali. Jojo
Diaz. You know what? Nico Ali Walsh. Jojo Diaz.
Regis Progray. Whatever. Guys, guys. Like, guys
who at least, like, you know what? Like, it's
a fight. It's a fight. It's all right. It's fun.
It's not, like. It's not like my younger brother's,
like, it's not like my younger brother's science
teacher who's, like, she happens to weigh 175
pounds and have half a career. She's the best
at her box fit class. Yeah. Crazy. Well, that's
what it is in heavyweight. For women? Yeah, dude.
Like, there ain't really shit going on. I just
never, I know that. I never would have thought
of him. Box fit. Boxer size. That's just how
it is. It's like that lady that Senecia Estrada
got the fastest knockout record or whatever with.
She was a no -shit coffee barista. She was a
no -shit barista. That was her primary job. Yeah,
like, again, like... No, no like Clarissa's fighting
who she can Estrada had no excuse because she
was in a weight class that actually had people
But my point stands being like holy shit there
needs to be like He did like I don't know if
there's anything anything left you gotta try
and Fight men at this point there's no one for
you It's either people you already beat at a
worse weight class or like... Nothing. Give her
Usyk. She's at heavyweight. You know what Usyk
can be? Usyk can be a double undisputed champion
at heavyweight. Men's and women's. Oh my god,
guys, I got it. I got it. I got it. You kill
two birds with one stone? Laurenza Coley versus
Clorsa Stills. That would be a decision. That's
actually not the worst. That's not the worst.
It's not terrible. I would put The House on Shields
just because I hate Okoli that much. Yeah. I
would probably be against Okoli because I cannot
be for him winning. No. I feel bad even thinking
about him winning. We do not need him to perpetuate
himself. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Jesus. Like,
start fighting guys. Straight up. She rates.
She does. This is like a skill for skill situation.
We're taking the gender. Out of rankings. For
just like. Suspending disbelief. And now we're
talking like. Clarissa dude. You could probably
beat some dudes. You probably could. Yeah. You're
good enough to do it. And more importantly. There's
nobody good enough. Yeah. You are like the chosen
one. You can do this. The chosen one. I believe.
He's the quote. She's the quote. I fucking believe
it. I believe she could beat a dude. That would
bring Lila out of fucking retirement. I would
prefer that they not waste. How many millions
was that? Too many. Just pay a guy. Pay a guy
and actually challenge yourself. They're just
saying that to bullshit. They're not really going
to bring her out. Oh, I know. Like, just pay
a guy. Actually do it. Joey Spencer. I think
we were talking about him. Like, Joey Spencer
is bad enough. Wait, who knocked your own sporting?
Some Ukrainian guy. Okay. Some guy, literally.
Yeah, Joey Spencer. Well, we'll leave that there.
Moving up to the top -ranked card, also on July
26th, I'm going to point out some shit that happened
on the undercard because I felt it was important.
Juanma Lopez, the second, gets a stoppage into
over Jorge Sanchez. Emiliano Vargas KO1 over
Alejandro Espinoza. That was super quick. I'm
not sure what else to say about it. Yeah, Emiliano.
It looked pretty cool. Full counter, boom. Damn,
that was nice. It looked pretty good, too. I
mean, it was a pretty standard top -ranked card.
Like, all the guys who were supposed to win won.
Yeah, that's true. But, I mean, come on. That
was a solid enough card, I would say. Not bad.
Sick knockout for Vargas. Yeah. Like, I didn't
mind this card. It's just, like, very, like,
there's not much to say. Everyone looked how
they always do, which is good. It was weird in
the Juanma fight where it was, like, The ref
kind of stopped it for a weird reason. I don't
know. Just for everyone looking how they're supposed
to. That was a little bit of a deviation from
the script, as it were. Yeah, I would say that
I think Emiliano himself, I think he'll probably
step up soon. He should. I think maybe within
the next year. I think he should step up. Because
that last fight was an eight -rounder, right?
Was it a 10 -rounder? Eight. Yeah, so I think
he should be stepping up to a 10 -rounder with
maybe like a whoever loses the Regis program
versus Jojo Diaz. Maybe fight the loser of that
fight. Yeah. So fight Jojo Diaz and then work
your way up from there. Maybe fight a... What's
his name? The guy that people fought a couple
years ago. The Crawford. Spence on your card.
Right. No, no, no, no. Giovanni. Oh, Giovanni
Cabrera. That would be a good step up high for
him. I'd say. I like that. This was. Actually,
the beginning of the main portion, the last fight
on the undercard was Rohan Polanco versus Quentin
Randall. Polanco was fine. I came into this pretty
high on him. I was expecting something a lot
better than this. He showed some flaws here.
If you can negate the power punch, then this
guy's not really that much of a threat. But what
are you going to do? Sorry, Rohan. Maybe it was
just an off night. I think there's also better
prospects for up -and -coming guys than Rohan.
But I still think Toppin can still make him a
solid enough contender, maybe even a champion.
Yeah, that's how they are. That's the relationship
they have with WBO. They might be able to work
him into a belt. That's what I'm saying. I think
if you're a prospect, the best promotional company
to work for is obviously Top Rank. Hands down.
They got that WBO route on lock. I mean, I think
the majority of the WBO champions are under Top
Rank. I don't protect you all the way up, dude.
Exactly. Whatever Bob orders. Whatever Bob orders.
Whatever Bob orders, yeah. And honestly, like,
I mean, after like a couple years, you could
move to another promotional company like PBC,
even Matchroom, you know? Make yourself a little
more money. I think Top Ring is needed with the
promotional companies right now. They're the
prime prospect promotional company. I think that's
what they do best. They've always done that very
well. Building guys up from the ground. Exactly.
They built guys up to the ground very well. Whereas,
in my opinion, something like the PBC doesn't
really do well at all. You know? Well, that was
the whole Showbox thing back in the day. Well,
yeah, but I'm saying, like, current PBC right
now. Yeah, current PBC, yeah. Well, everything's
in a rough spot because there's no fucking TV
deals for anyone anymore. Yeah, which is, yeah.
It's either you go Probox or you go PBC, you
know? Yeah. Honestly, Probox might go. Also,
you've seen a shocking amount of guys come out
being Probox guys and showing that they're actually
good. Yeah, they deserve the title contention.
Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I think Top Ring
is the best for that right now. It also kind
of used to be a little bit... Kind of like Golden
Boy used to be a good... prospect builder but
obviously not not as much anymore i think that
they were helped when they were financed by what's
his name um richard schaefer schaffer yeah when
they were like financed by him and he was basically
an arm for al hayman yeah so like he was building
prospects then because he had fight of You had
the capital to do it. Yeah, exactly. He had the
money. And now they don't have them anymore.
They don't have them. Golden Boy, we did. I feel
like Golden Boy is going to be the first out
of the major promotional companies in the United
States to capitulate. They're already basically
gone. Yeah. Right now, yeah. They're basically
already, in a sense, kind of done for. They're
off the map. They're stuck with the zone in Turkey
until the end. Exactly, yeah. Oscar needs to
clean Turkey's shoes as much as possible at this
point. He needs to suck up his pride and do that
or suck up the jig ball. Because otherwise, his
promotional company is at its weakest point it's
ever been. Right now, especially how he has only...
I think we talked about this earlier with Zurdo.
as a champion for the males. For the males, you
have Gabby Fandora, which I love Gabby. Don't
get me wrong, but at the same time, at the same
time, unfortunately... That being your only champ
is not great. Exactly, yeah. No, it would be
her and Oscar Collazo. Oh, boy. I know that really
adds a lot to the whole defense, but... But still,
that's still champion. But at the same time,
yeah, it's something. But at the same time, it's
like you can't – no disrespect, but Oscar can't
sell pay -per -view. Gabby can't sell pay -per
-view. Giorno can't sell pay -per -view unless
it's with J -Paul or with Riyad. With anyone
else. Besides themselves, yeah. Right. We just
saw Queensbury do their own pay -per -view. Yeah,
I mean, it was with Usyk and Dubois, but it was
still – you know, in -house. They'd have to sell
out to Riyadh. Matchroom, they haven't had a
pay -per -view in God knows how long. I would
say, I think last time was with Canelo. You know?
Matchroom's been fucked for a while, though.
Like, ever since Blatnovic stopped paying for
Matchroom USA. Mm -hmm. Yeah, they've been kind
of cooked for a while. They've been cooked for
a bit. But they themselves haven't been too pay
-per -view heavy. Unless it came with Anthony
Joshua. Yeah. I don't know. Matchroom's tough
to ascertain because they were bankrolled by
Blatnovic and now it's Turkey. So they've always
had just blank checks to throw the piss away.
The gravy train, yeah. Yeah. And even then before
Eddie Hearn had Sky Sports, bankrolling is bullshit.
It's been tough to see how capable they actually
are of running events. I mean, at the same time,
even them, I see what you're saying, but they
still have young talent. They have pretty good
young talent. It's crazy to say that a British
promotional company is doing better in the United
States than a United States promotional company
like Golden Boy. I mean, come on. Golden Boy
has what? Pacheco's brother? Yeah. I mean, say
what you want about Matchroom, you know, we make
fun of Eddie Hearn all the time, but he's doing
better than Oscar right now. Oscar is on his
last legs. Unfortunately. Fortunately, unfortunately,
because, you know, the story, you know, how Oscar
is. But, I mean, come on. Yeah. Another, too,
I think, I think PBC also is kind of, they themselves
are kind of going on the downturn a little bit,
too. pvc's always gonna have a home though that's
the thing like the way the way pvc runs things
they'll always have a home just because like
they always they don't they don't they go out
of their way like the others to burn bridges
with former uh tv deals no yeah you're honest
you're out well i don't know we have inside information
from a guy that was from the pc mr uh mr abs
but But I'll tell you this, that PBC, they're
also at their weakest, in my opinion, at one
of the weaker moments in their history. Because
right now, they don't have a lot of pay -per
-view stars. I mean, Benavidez is being sent
to freaking ring four. Yeah. And then Tank, we
don't even know what's happening with Tank. And
then besides them two, they had to pull old man
Pacquiao out of retirement to sell pay -per -view.
You know? Which, yeah, they were... Do you guys
even know the pay -per -view numbers from that
event? Not yet, probably. I haven't seen anything
come out. Yeah, I mean, me neither. At max, I
would say probably $300 ,000, $400 ,000 max.
Yeah. In my opinion. I don't know. That's still
pretty good for right now compared to how bad
Turkey's pay -per -views have been doing. Yeah.
But Turkey is bankrupt by now. Turkey's been
doing horrific. by the government, you know.
But it's still not sustainable. Like, they're
not, they need to see a return someday. For sure,
yeah. Like, it's what happened with the previous
guy giving the blank checks out. Like, the Russian
oligarchs are the, like, the war started and
then it's like, okay, we're not making, we're
literally, like, leaving money here. We're not
doing this anymore. Yeah. No, yeah. I totally
see what you're saying. But PBC is a standalone
promotional company. They lost a lot of their
pay -per -view stars. They have almost none right
now. And again, one's fighting in DAZN, one's
in limbo because he beat his fucking wife and
potentially maybe his one -year -old child just
because his toddler couldn't... I guess he was
gay or whatever. I don't know why Tank did that.
I don't know why Tank liked that. But that's
costing the pay -per -view stars a lot of money.
Yeah. Yeah, you can do the Roach rematch and
you're just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, then you beat
your fucking wife. Come on, dude. Fucking sick
of this shit. Let's keep it rolling here. Bruce
Carrington, UD over Mateus Hayta. I didn't see
anything very special from Bruce Carrington that
makes me think, oh, yeah, you can challenge.
Stephen Fulton. And that'll be fine. Nah, man.
Not seeing it. I have the same opinion as I've
always had of Bruce Carrington. I just think
he's average. He's a fox, so I still gotta respect
him. He's fine. Yeah, he's just fine. He's like
a McDonald's cheeseburger, you know? It's fine.
It does the job. So, To get to the level that
he's at, I would say that's 80 % top -ranked
protection system, 20 % he's actually above average,
if nothing else. Yeah. I mean, he still fought
to get where he's at right now. Right. If he
was completely dog -ass, he would be another
ham and cheeser, you know? Yeah. So, I don't
know. I'm not big on Bruce Carrington. He is
a ring ambassador, surprisingly. What? Yeah,
he's an ambassador for the ring. Along with Keyshawn
and Zilla, I think. And out of those guys, Zilla's
going to be the only one that's going to be a
champ. Well, no, I still think Keyshawn's very
good. It's just he's had a very bad PR for a
couple months. Yeah, you're right. You know?
So... I mean, yeah, whatever. Either way, Shushu,
he's just... He's just painfully average, I would
say. And... I don't know if... Speaking of painfully
average, question mark, Xander Zayas versus Jorge...
Oh, they called him Garcia. That's what they
went by. Painfully average, like... It was just
like... Xander Zayas had all the answers necessary
to solve this very textbook problem. I don't
know if that's calling him hyper -average is
hyperbolic. No, I don't think... Look, I'll say
this. I would call Xander Zayas, and I believe
I said this last time, that I'm not too high
on Xander Zayas. I wanted Horace to win. so that
we could get a version fight. But at the end
of the day, I mean, Xander did show me levels
that I hadn't seen from him previously. And the
fact that he's only 22 years old, he has a lot
of time to grow. You know, even Keyshawn, even
before he turned, when he gave the weed, he became
kind of mythical. You know, but before then,
he kind of looked a little, yeah. So there is
room for growth, no doubt about it. But I believe
Xander, he does need some, he does need some
work. But he did, in my opinion, have a good
performance. Yeah, he had a good night. He just
doesn't have the ceiling that some of the fellas
at the apex of 154 do. He's totally not going
to match up with Virgil well. That doesn't mean
he's bad at all. Madrimov, etc. Well, I mean,
again, he's still young. You can't say he has
a high ceiling yet. Again, I agree with what
you're saying, but we don't know. how high he
can get, you know? We don't know what his limit
is. He's a world champion now. Yeah, and I will
say that with Brian Norman Jr., everybody was
calling him, same thing, painfully average. You
know, he's not worth a shit. He became champion,
got potentially a knockout of the year. People
are raving about him right now. So, what does
that tell you? It just takes a bit of time. Yep.
Yep, you're right. Anything more for the top
-ranked card at the Madison Square Garden Theater?
All right. Well, then, let me do this. Oh, fuck.
We are heading into a weekend with... We have
nothing. Nothing. We have nothing. On the fucking
docket. So... We're going to do... Hold on, real
quick. How much time do we have right now? God,
it's a lovely segment. Lovely segment when we
start with that. What time are we at? 38. 38?
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that could be cut out. That's
only for the patrons. Yeah, of course. That's
a little half the day of editing. Who will be
a champion within one year? This is a fucking
loaded -ass question, I feel. I got some picks.
All right. So we're going to work our way up.
So I got to pull up the rankings for every weight
class? You probably will. Yeah, I might need
to use the Dritterbox trick. Yeah, I'm using
Boxerick. Fuck this. How the situation works
is who's going to be champion within one year?
The question is, will the current champion or
the best in the division, will they still be
the best of the division? Are we starting with
minimum weight? We are. Oh, my God. If the current
best guy is going to remain the best guy, then...
It goes as simple as that. So like minimum weight,
if you're either going with Oscar Collazo or
you're thinking CP Freshmart. Yeah, I was about
to say, where's the Huckout CP Freshmart? He's
got a rebound. My gold. It's the only play I
know of minimum weight. Yeah, that's pretty much
all there is to minimum weight. Koyazo might
just stay champion. That's it. Knockout CP Freshmart
is going to regain his title and reign for many
more years. Someone's got to do it. Someone's
got to ride for the opposite side. We've got
to ride for Knockout CP Freshmart. I'm saying
we should probably do the same thing. We should
pay Ty Boxer to be called Lux Media or something.
Oh, sponsor one of them. Yeah, we sponsor one
of them. That way we get a world champion named
Lux Media. Yeah, in a fight with CP Freshmark.
Yes. Light Flyweight. I don't know who anybody
is here, so I got nothing. That's 112, right?
108. 108? Carlos Canizales, I believe, is fighting
somebody. What is it? Which weight class are
we at again? 108. Still minimum? Light fly, okay.
Can I still, can I knock out CP Freshmart as
my pick still? Honestly, yes. You really can.
Let's go! I'm gonna ride that train too. All
right, cool. Moving up to flyweight. Francisco
Rodriguez. Kenshiro Taraji. I think Taraji keeps
it for the next year. Yeah, I think he keeps
it for the next year. All right. For the next
year? How about that? Super flyweight. Bam or
Puma. That's pretty much what you're... What's
your pick in here? Well, Bam, obviously. Well,
I don't think Bam. I think Bam moves up. I think
he beats Puma and takes one more fight, and that'll
be the next year. Yeah, it's going to be Bam
unless he moves up, basically. The thing with
Bam is that, and I think this is a pretty good
timeline, is that once Bam fights Puma, from
what he said, he wants to fight for Undisputed.
So that gives you about a four -month interval
until his next fight from November. Normally,
I'd believe in Ioka usually, but he's old and
kind of lost. We'll see. But, you know, Garcia,
he's got the type. I've never seen the guy fight,
really. But that's the fight that Vampire will
take next year and become a disputed. And I know
that... In a way, Nakatani are fighting next
year as well. If everything goes to plan. I think
sometime in, I believe, May, right? Next May?
I think so. Yeah, so by the time they fight,
you could probably potentially get a Bam Nakatani
fight end of next year, early 2027. Yeah. That's
my prediction. Moving up. To ban some weight.
Looking at... Within one year, is Junto still
going to be here? No, but also, like, out of
everyone here, no one's beaten him. Yeah, for
sure. So, like, it really... Not even in their
fucking dreams, they're not beating Nakatani.
So, we're going to take Nakatani out the picture
here, and it's what Yoshihita Kei... Say Yasutsumi,
if you want to throw Takuma Inoue back into the
mix. And then David Cuellar or Estrada, if you
want to throw... Estrada is ancient. I have faith
in Cuellar, actually. Cuellar is, I think, better
than people give him credit for. Yeah, like,
yeah, he got iced by Nakatani, but also... That's
Nakatani. Like, what the fuck? Wow, wow. Again,
not even in his dreams. So, case in point. Between
Takei and Tsutsumi, for them to unify, like,
oh, shit, well, Tsutsumi was the WBA titleist
that lost his shit. All weirdly. But Takei versus
Tsumi. Brawler versus the boxer puncher. What
are you thinking? What are we thinking? What
are you thinking between a brawler and a boxer
puncher? I'll tell you. I think there's a kind
of... Easy answer, but also a very hard answer.
I think, in my opinion, a box puncher beats a
brawler if they have more power. You know what
I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's just like the two
styles that I was looking at. Who would beat
the guy at 118? Right now, that's what it comes
down to for me. It's Tommy Hearns versus Roberto
Duran. Oh, shit. Let's keep it rolling. 122.
Is it anybody other than Inouye? No. Unless Inouye,
like, tears ACL in the ring. Unless, yeah, it
gets, like, MJ or something. Like, MJ again?
Or no, not MJ. I thought just my head went to
Marlon Topolos. No, no, no. Maybe MJ, but that's
only... I don't know. Yeah, it's probably going
to be Inouye. Yeah, Inouye's going to keep it.
Nobody is like two, three fights away and they're
going to beat him or some shit. okay featherweight
126 we got uh this is just on box rec you know
so beloved listener take it with a grain of salt
at the very top we have rafael espinoza nick
ball steven fulton luis netty brandon figueroa
and that's the top five is anybody gonna not
that's gonna stay espinoza yeah yeah for sure
like nick ball espinoza is gonna be hilarious
that'll be comical Straight jokes. Straight jokes.
But, yeah, it'll be fun. I think it'll play out
similar to Fundora versus Tim Zhu, to be honest
with you. I actually got a – I would think, honestly,
in a way, probably be the new champion. At 26?
Yeah. Yeah, actually, you're right. You're right.
You're right. When he moves up. That's who I
think will probably be the new champion. I think
he'll kind of just stay the same. So Espinoza
is going to be the guy that greets Inouye. What
about if we take Espinoza out of it? Nick Ball.
Do you think Nick Ball keeps the top seed? I
don't believe. I don't think so. Call me a hater.
Call me a hater. I can't fucking stand Nick Ball.
Fulton beats Nick Ball. Fulton knows. Are you
guys saying that Inouye will fight Nick Ball
or Nick Ball will win? Who is going to be the
next top guy? When Inoue moves up. If it's not
Espinosa. Fulton's going up. Fulton's going to
go up. Fulton again? No, no. Fulton's going up
to 130. I'll talk about it right now. Oh, that's
right. You're right. He's going up. You know
what? After Nakatani beats Inoue, he's going
to come beat up 126. I highly disagree. That's
right. Stephen Fulton is moving up. So then it's
Nick Ball, Luis Neri, Brandon Figueroa, Angelo
Leo, and then Bruce Carrington to make it a number
five. I would say probably if you bring Espinosa
in... Espinosa wastes all of these dudes. Well,
yeah, but... Bring Espinosa in, that would be
a lot harder, but we can take Espinosa out. It's
taking Espinosa out. Stephen Fulton's leaving
the division. I mean, probably maybe even Shushu.
I'm not his biggest fan, but at the same time,
if he fights for the vacant belt, he might just
fight. He could make himself the top dude. Yeah,
exactly. So, you never know. I think the new
champion is going to be for whoever gets that
bacon belt. Super featherweight. 130. Yeah, 130.
The guy at the top is Emanuel Navarrete. It's
not going to stay Navarrete. His going down box
rec, 2345. Kakachi, Oshaki Foster, Ray Ford,
and Eduardo Nunez. Ray Ford, for sure. I think
Ray Ford gets the title. I think Foster can beat
Nav and Ray Ford. Well, I think if Fulton goes
up, I think he beats Foster. Oh, true. I would
also rate Fulton to beat Nav, Kakachi, Ray Ford.
Pretty much everyone. I glaze Stephen Fulton
unapologetically. Yeah, I understand. I think
Stephen Fulton does take it. I think he does
beat Shaggy Foster. I think Stephen Fulton's
a little more dynamic than Shaggy Foster. Does
he beat Nav? Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Nav is
just... You know what? What we say about Barrios...
Is what Nav is. Nav is worse. Yes. You're absolutely
right. Nav is the worst champion. Oh, yeah. I
think... Yeah, you know what? I think I will
say that. That Nav is the worst champion in...
Oh, shit. You're probably right. Fuck. For one
up and lost to a Keyshawn... Lost to Keyshawn's
dude. With a top ring protection program. Calvin
Davis? No, no, Keyshawn. Oh, shit. I thought
you were... Baranchik. Baranchik beat... That's
right. Navarrete. Navarrete. But yeah, you know,
I take back what I said. Maybe Navarrete might
be one of the first to lose. You never know.
Yeah. All right, let's keep going. 135. This
is interesting. 135 is constantly in motion.
I think it will honestly be between Andy Cruz
and Keyshawn when it all sorts itself out. I
disagree with you. Mainly because if Tank retires
within the next year, which I feel like is...
Tank's basically not in the picture, though,
for 135. Like, realistically. You can hate me
for saying this. Lloyd Schofield is rated very
highly in the WBA. I think, honestly, if Tank...
Yeah, but do either of them beat... Let's go.
Do either of them beat Keyshawn or Andy Cruz?
Keyshawn's going up to 140. And Andy Cruz is
probably going to be fighting Murataya. That's
kind of where it stands right now. Whereas the
WBA is kind of... It's kind of held by Gervonta
for so long. That I think that when he's gone,
it's kind of like a power vacuum, you know? That
probably Floyd can pick up, you know? That's
how I see it. That's how I see it, though. I
don't know if you guys agree, disagree. I'm inclined
to agree with you. Okay. Let's keep... Rolling.
140. 140. Right now, BoxRed has Teofimo, Subreal
Matias, Andy Hiraoka, Richardson Hitchens, and
Adam. Oh, Jesus. You know what? Wait. We just
fought and lost to Matias, but... I'm not gonna
lie. I don't, yeah, it could be Antoine. I believe
in Matias more than anyone. Just because, like,
Lopez is probably moving up to 147, and Matias
kind of runs over everyone else. Well, no, I
disagree with that. I highly disagree with that,
actually. Yes, I understand he's a fun fighter,
but to think that Matias beats Richard Hitchens,
I don't know about that. I think Hitchens out
-jabs. He's outboxed the hell out of Matias.
We can expect that fight soon, can't we? Does
Hitchens gas hold up? Well, I don't know. We'll
see what happens with Donald Smith and Matias
because that's probably the next likely fight.
They literally told him, no, no, no, you're fine,
Donald Smith. You can't do shit about it. I mean,
we all want the Gary Antoine -Russell -Matias
fight, right? That's the fight we all want. Of
course. But that's not going to happen, most
likely. I don't think. Unless, like, Turkey just
wakes up one day and says, you know what? Fuck
you, Eddie Hearn. Let's go with PBC. You know?
But that's, you know, Eddie Hearn's a little
s***, though. I'm sorry, that was too far. That
was too far. That's fine. I'll bleep it. Yeah,
you can bleep it. Alright, moving up to Welterweight.
Jerron Ennis has already moved up. So the top
five. Oh, fuck. You know what? Fuck this. Roley.
Roley's the best. No. No. Brian, no. I don't
want to admit. I'm going to have to say Roley.
Who else? Who else? And I'll tell you why. Brian
Norman Jr. What? The guy who priced himself out
of Boots? No. Yeah. He beats Roley. That boy
beats Roley. Yeah, that boy beats Roley. Brian
Norman, like, yeah, I'm not doing that in good
conscience because he literally priced himself
out of boots. Just because he priced himself
out of... That's fucking boots, Dennis, dude.
Yeah, so fight and lose the boots then. That's
a lamp to the slaughter, okay? Fight and lose
the boots then. Okay, let me ask you this. You
think Brian Norman Jr. is a better boxer than
Rolando Romero? No. I mean, yes, yes, actually.
I think he's better. But you know what? Roley
isn't a bitch, though. Roley will look like shit.
He'll make his funny fucking Eric Carvin noises.
He'll get knocked out, and then he'll be back.
It's not all. You're only giving me triple my
career high to fight boots. None of that. But
you know what? Brian Norman Jr. is the king of
the division, no doubt about it. Come on. Yeah,
only because I can't. Who else is there? I can't
support Haney. Well, I'm going to tell you right
now that as much as I... This is very controversial,
too. I've voiced this opinion many times in the
server. I feel like they're going to do some
fighters dirty this year. I got a feeling that
they're going to have Ryan... What? You're telling
me this sport is corrupt? I can't believe you're
implying this. No way. No way. No way. I'm thinking
what's going to happen is Devin Haney, yeah,
twice. And I'll tell you who it's going to be.
Devin Haney, they're going to get Devin Haney
to get the title from Norman. Because Devin Haney,
if Norman doesn't knock out Devin Haney, I feel
like Devin Haney's probably going to take that
title. I have to say, Norman can punch too well.
Yeah, yeah. I think... It ain't happening. I
think Norman knocks him out, but if he doesn't
knock him out, they're going to give it to Haney
for sure. And then once they do that, with Ryan
and Roley, I got a feeling, and you can hate
me for this. You can hate me for this, okay?
I understand. But they might just drop Roley
if they do that rematch in Riyadh. I think Roley
just fucking sucks. So if Ryan shows up and actually
boxes and isn't the... I don't think you need
the job, Broly. He's terrible. But yeah, exactly.
But the thing is, if Ryan looks better than a
corpse, you know, he might just take that title.
Then they do a unification bout between Ryan
and Haney at Welterweight. I think that's what
they're trying to do. I got a feeling. Because
how the hell does Devin Haney... Why is Devin
Haney doing a title fight with Brian Norman Jr.?
You could have fought Mario Barrios. You could
have fought Rowley. You could have fought...
You know what? Good for Haney, at least. Brian
Norman is the... I got to give it to Haney. Yeah,
you're right. He's the hardest... Yeah, I'll
give it to Haney. The hardest competition in
that division, so I got to give it to him. It's
very tough. I think he's going to pull out. I
think he's going to pull out. I think it's going
to be hilarious to see how bad Haney gets beaten,
but fine. Well... I just think that it's either
Haney pulls out or these are the three options.
Okay, Haney pulls out, Ryan Norman Jr. knocks
him out, or Haney takes the decision. Those are
the three options. I don't know. I don't like
this whole Riyadh shit with putting Haney as
the challenger against Norman. I think there's
other people that you could have put against
Norman. No? It would have been better. All right.
154. Is it even tougher, dude? This is the last
division that we're going to do for this round.
We'll have to pick up the second half another
time. Virgil. So, on BoxRec, number one is Terrence
Crawford. Crawford's getting beaten in retirement.
He's not valid. And I disagree with you, but
we'll get to that another time. Number two is
Ortiz. Three is Mortazaglia. Four is Zayas. Five
is Fandora. Six, Bohachuk. Seven, Madrimov. That's
about... Those are all relevant to the conversation.
Well, I think Virgil Ortiz, he has a good chance
of becoming champion. The realist... tile shot.
It's going to end up being between Virgil, Bokrum,
and Fundora. Like, Zayas is more or less a non
-factor because all three of those guys kind
of beat his ass bad and it's no... Like, again,
no hate to Zayas. There's just three really,
really good champs. Like, really, really good
guys in this weight class. Who all happen to
be you. I would not want to be put with those
guys because... Zayas would get done bad. They're
all offensive menaces, which is the problem.
There's no guys where you can say you gave it
a go when you lost the decision or whatever.
These are three guys who will just beat you.
I mean, Zayas, I'll tell you this, Zayas, you
could fight someone like a Majima. You could
fight someone like a... Yeah, but I'm saying
for like a... Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him.
Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him pretty soundly.
Madrimov also gives him a decent run for his
money. But it would be a good test for him. Yeah.
But even if Bohachuk beats Zayas to get himself
into the top whatever, just because he's a bellholder,
I don't see Bohachuk making it very far beyond
that. Yeah, no. Bohachuk, he's a good gatekeeper.
Yes, yes. He's a guy for younger fighters to
fight to see how good they are. Yeah, good test,
yeah. Which, I mean, we need those type of guys
in the sport. There's two of them. Bohachuk is
like the brawler test, and Madrimov is the boxer
test. Well, to an extent. Yeah, but they're on
those particular spectrums. I don't have a good
pick for who will become champion, but I got
a good pick for who will lose their title. And
it's not Pandora and it's not Zayas. I think
it's going to be Murda Zayas. Loser of their
title this year. To who? I think he might just
lose to Erickson Lubin. Interesting. And honestly,
I feel like that's for Virgil. I think that's
the direct. That's the direct. path for title
shot is going to be more dialogue because but
nor is fighting spence for some fucking reason
i don't know why spence is even the conversation
still confirmed like i've seen that as a rumor
for a long time i think it's but they're fighting
in october oh shit i don't know why they're letting
that happen i don't know why either that's not
a good fight to make yeah so again if there's
another person that i think might become champion
If, for some reason, Spence pulls it off, then
I guess Spence, but that's a disgusting fight.
I don't want to see. Yeah, I don't want to consider
that as an option. Especially with a Pandora
that uses a jab. That might just be scary. Yeah,
he's just going to piston fucking Errol Spence
to death. I mean, yeah, I don't know what's going
to happen with that fight, but I'll tell you
this, it doesn't end good for Spence. That's
probably the worst person you could put him with
in that division. Especially for your first comeback
fight in how many years? Two years? Two and a
half? Come on, that's ridiculous. Yeah, about
two years. On the nose, almost. A little over
two years, yeah. He last fought in July of 2023.
He's fighting in October this year. No tune -ups
for Spence? I know he's always been about no
tune -ups, but come on. There's a tune -up you
need to order now. Especially with how long he's
been out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the way
he got knocked out last time? Jesus Christ. To
fight Sebastian Fundora, that's fucking ridiculous.
That was like... Terrence Crawford tried to snipe
Mikey Garcia when Mikey Garcia had been out for
like two years. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'll
fight you on your get back. Dude, you just want
to beat an undefeated fighter. A very solid,
like, all -time in his own right type of fighter.
Like, what the fuck? It's also kind of, like,
ridiculous how they do this. If they do do it,
if I could put Spence with Pandora, I mean, come
on. It's the same thing with Pacquiao and Mario
Barrios. Why have Spence skipped the line? I
guarantee you that there's going to be some fuckery
with those decisions, dude. Because Spence was
an old pay -per -view star and he still might
sell a little bit of pay -per -view. Enough to
where PBC might just want to have some fuckery
go on with those cards. How much of fuckery...
Do you think there was for the Barrios and Pacquiao
cards? Again, like we talked about this last
time, I think there was a good amount of fuckery
going on with those cards. I just wanted to reaffirm
it. I feel like they could screw over Pandora
if they wanted to. Because again, Pandora, as
much as... Well, yeah, because, I mean, I don't
know, dude. Like, Benz, even though he hasn't
fought in a while, he's still kind of a name,
you know? He should be. I still think he could
sell pay -per -view. I mean, he's beloved by
many in Texas, right? That's a Texas boy right
there. For sure. But I don't know, you know?
It really depends, because the PBC, they pick
and choose when they want to rob certain fighters.
Guaranteed. Guaranteed. If Spence put up a decent
performance against Crawford and went to decision,
they probably would have robbed Terrence Crawford.
Guaranteed. But that didn't happen, of course.
Fortunate that Terrence Crawford didn't leave
it up to the fucking judges. Oh, yeah. Unfortunate
it happened the way it did. Unfortunate for me,
because I was on fucking Team Spence. Oh, yeah.
You could check the records in Discord. I always
participate. I was mad team spent. I've been
a Crawford hater day one pretty much. Damn, dude.
I could tell. I could tell. So, yeah, you can
check in the Hall of Fame on Discord, and you
can see. You can scroll up, and you'll see who
was on team what. Josh, how are you going to
feel when Crawford beats Canelo? It's not happening.
Oh, my God. I think I'm pivoting the Canelo hating
full -time. If Canelo fucking chokes this fight.
So this time around, you'll actually be rooting
for Canelo? Yeah. That's crazy. Why do you hate
Crawford so much? I'm curious. What's the little
reason behind that? I just don't. Listen, I was
somewhat alright with Crawford and then he re
-signed with Top Rank. That Top Rank extension
to fight fucking Amir Khan and Kell Brook while
complaining about getting criticized for his
opposition was like, what are you doing? An extension
with Top Rank after alleging them of racism against
you? extension was like that extension room for
me like dude i was like like yeah yeah okay okay
okay his 140 his fucking nikki mouse 140 run
whatever right you can only fight the champions
of your time whatever yeah you show up to welterweight
you fight jeff horn and you fight jose benavidez
jr both of them fucking suck whatever okay what
do you do next your contract's up You're alleging
that Top Rank is racist towards you. All of Welterweight
is at PBC. I'm going to sign an extension with
Top Rank and fight fucking Mean Machine and Kell
Brook. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. And continue to
complain the whole time and then only fight Errol
Spence after he's been in a fucking car accident
and destroyed his eyeballs. Yeah. Well, let him
cook. Let him fucking cook. Like, imagine the
fucking Errol Spence fight happening in 2019.
You know what? That's a different Errol Spence.
That's a different Errol Spence. And you know
what? Crawford can still most likely pull it
out. But it's not like Crawford's still like,
no one gives you respect. Yeah, because you fought
one guy your entire career. Yeah, yeah. Like
Gamboa, okay. His first real fight was against
Gamboa. Obviously probably his best win. Which
like, okay. That's still like his best win. Because
like Sean Porter came out of retirement to fight
him. And was up before the 10th round. Alright.
We're gonna... Errol Spence. Errol Spence. You
can argue he's lost, but whatever. Whatever.
Second good win. Madrimov. Like, Madrimov ages
worse as we speak. I mean... And then, like...
I would say, hey, Spence, you got into a car
accident and you beat Ugas, so... I mean, come
on. The same Ugas who got his ass beat by Barrios?
Please. Yeah. Please. And, like, a Danny Garcia
who clocked in the work and clocked out? Like,
I'd do it a fucking line cook to shift. Okay.
Like, I can't get behind Crawford just because,
like, the talent is obviously there. Why the
fuck did you extend with top rank? Imagine if
you didn't go to PBC. You wasted four years doing
nothing. With the PBC, that would have been a
legendary move. Yeah, because you take down Spence,
you take down a better order, you probably take
down Thurman, Pat, like, again, you just run
through the division if you're actually that
good. Yeah. Because they had all the guys. They
had all the fights. All the fights. And he chose
to re -sign with fucking Top Rank. Yeah. God,
that shit makes me so fucking upset. And that's
why I can never be behind Crawford, because literally,
like, just that extension with Top Rank, who,
when the extension happened, again, he was alleging
that they were discriminating against him. Isn't
it 2018, right? Yeah. This shit was already happening.
He still signs the extension and fucks up the
entire division. Like, the division is, like...
Literally still in hell because you didn't fight
anyone when they were in their primes. You fucked
the division up and then left. And now, like,
and you've denied Boots, who was the rightful
challenger to the titles, a chance. So now the
whole, like, you're stuck with fucking Devin
Haney, Roley, Brian Norman as champs. Yeah, I
mean, I see what you're saying. You ruined an
entire Glamour division for no reason other than
Bob Arum jingled some keys in front of your fucking
face. I will say that probably at the time when
you re -signed, was this before or after Manny
Pacquiao fought Jeff Horn? This was after, because
he beat Jeff Horn for the title. Yeah. Yeah,
so... So Pacquiao had jumped ship. Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, Pacquiao went to BBC, too. Yeah, that's
what I mean. He could have had Pacquiao, Prime
Porter, Prime Spence, Boots, Thurman, Danny and
Mikey Garcia. That's seven guys who were all,
like, top ten at that time. I would have been
a pay -per -view star at that point. Yeah. And
then he would have been able to move up to the
current strong 154. And instead of fighting Madrimov
for an interim title or whatever, he would have
moved up straight to fight a guy like Fundora.
Charlo. Charlo. Like, that's what I mean. Tim
Zhu. At the time of 154 in 2022. And by that
point, we're here. We're here now at that point
with like the 8 to 10 fights. So he's fighting
Virgil, he's fighting Canelo, except now he's
probably the A -side against Canelo. No, I think
Canelo's still the A -side. That's a big step
to take there. Yeah. Think of the stardom of
Canelo spends those years going on a Euro tour
with DAZN. Basically, his profile starts getting
smaller and smaller going on that Euro Tour at
168 and he's fighting Berlangas and stuff after
plans. Compare the Crawford in this timeline
who has been on pay -per -view for the past five
years beating all the next biggest stars in the
sport. Back to back to back to back. Am I wrong?
It's like, we still get the Canelo fight at 168,
but Crawford is, like, this is a super fight
instead of a... How the fuck is he doing this?
Fight. Yeah, but it's like... No, but I'm saying
in terms of, like, a super, super fight in terms
of earnings potential and eyes on it. And Crawford,
instead of, like... This guy's, instead of you
look at it and you're like, this guy's best win
is still probably Yuryokis Gamboa. And he's fighting
Canelo while Canelo continues to hold up an entire
weight class. I see what you're saying. Like,
two weight classes are being held up for this
fight. Well, at this point, it's kind of mainly
one, just because of Canelo. Canelo's been holding
the division positive for years. Like, 154 is
also, like, his guys, like, again, Crawford has
just attained enough of a profile for it to,
like, he's a meal ticket for some of the guys.
Yeah, for sure. But that's just, like, if he
doesn't sign the extension with top rank, a lot
of things are a lot better. Yeah, no, you're
right. Like, odds are Showtime's probably still
in boxing. But the amount of pay -per -views
you do at welterweight. So you're saying that
Crawford killed boxing, huh? Crawford allowed
the Saudi invasion. What are you saying? He's
the catalyst. Yes, you know what? That extension
with top rank ruined like three fucking weight
classes. I'm sure there's a separate for this
where you could do like the follow -on results
of... What? Fuck, man. This shit kills me. Literally,
you can point at that extension and how many
things went wrong since the extension. You're
kind of right. Three weight classes. I do not
disagree. I can't disagree. That was pretty good.
That was very well laid out. Alright, let me...
There, I've changed the outline. Yeah, so we
finished up with what was 154, like who will
be champ, and then we descended into a fuck Bud
Crawford. Well, he said that. It's so deserved.
Just objectively look at how the timeline laid
itself out. No, yeah, that's valid. I can't even
agree. I'm not even saying opinions because it's
like, okay, which version of Spence is better?
2019 Spence or Spence after a car accident and
one of his eyes falling out? Well, Spence got
in his first car accident after Porter, right?
Like a week after Porter. Yeah, because he fought
Porter after the extension happened. So, I mean,
either way, he probably was going to still fight
a weak Spence. No, but the thing is that the
way it happened was he signed to fight Porter
after Crawford signed the extension. Yeah. So
we get the best version of Spence with the best
version of Crawford. Yeah. Instead of five years
later and like six injuries and Spence has fought
all killers. And Crawford has basically been
on cruise control fighting washed -up Eurofighters.
Yeah, you're right, man. Like, it's just the...
Like, it's not... Like, yeah, it's an opinion
that I hate about Crawford, but it's also, like...
How do you not hate him? When you look at it,
like... Objectively wrong. When you look at what
he's done, like, for a fighter that good... To
piss on that many careers and that many weight
classes is ridiculous. Sport itself, too. Yeah.
Like, if you like this sport, Crawford is one
of those guys that, like, you really have to
hate just because, like, there's, like, yeah,
he's good. But the amount of time wasting, like,
if you don't, if you like, if you like, if you
hate Tyson Fury, but you like Crawford, like,
they're basically the same. in how they hold
the weight class hostage until everyone bends
to them and their wills yeah i will be uh hold
on a second let me let me do this i'm gonna figure
out a way to cut that ahead of What I would hope
would be your parting words. Like, how do we
leave this? You're right. I went on another rant.
No, I know. That's very neat. Yeah. I do know
that. Should we talk about the Oliac this time
or no? No, we can save that for next time. Because
the thing is that the recap for this one is going
to be dead too. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. We're
going to have an empty recap segment so we can
save it. Okay, I'll see you next time. Yep. Alright,
so... No! You don't get parting words. You already
gave them. No, don't get me started again. It
will happen. That's it for this edition of The
Boxing B -Sides. We will see you on the other
side.