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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.

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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.

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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. That

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B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.

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Alright. Boxing B -Sides. We are back up in your

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ears. I am joined by the one and only Saul. Okay.

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And the homie, the frosty homie, Josh. What up?

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Well, this... If you didn't get the Patreon version

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of this, then you're missing out on a good chunk

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of time. I'm missing out on the entertaining

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parts of this podcast because it is dismal. This

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one is unfortunately... really lacking. Hey,

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we should go to Spirits, man. Every podcast is

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a gem. Come on, guys. This one's lacking. This

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one's lacking. Worst B -side podcast is better

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than any Sean Porter podcast. Oh. Saying that

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to Sean Porter, that's like... Yeah, of course.

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I'm sorry. I love Sean Porter. I do, too. Sean

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Porter is no shit. The first... boxer I ever

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met in person. Really? Yeah, Sean Porter. Must

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have been memorable, huh? It was. He was super

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cool. Talked about whatever. He was fun. I even

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asked him about the Cleveland football team.

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Just whatever. He was cool. He was with his wife.

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I didn't know that was his wife at the time.

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But I was like, yeah, sorry to take your dude

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for a few minutes. What point of his career was

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he in? He was no shit about to fight Andre Berto.

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Oh, shit. Okay. Right then. He was like two weeks

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out from fighting. Andre Berto, and he looked

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good. He didn't look drained or anything like

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that. His face wasn't all sulking and sullen.

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It was fine. He looked fine. He looked good.

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That's good. I got a little overexcited first

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handshake. grabbed his arms like god damn god

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damn dog i'm touching his arm yeah like i i just

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i didn't even think about it like i just i yeah

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like we went for the handshake i just grabbed

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i didn't even think about it i just grabbed his

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arm and he and he grabbed my hand sorry you probably

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made his wife jealous a little bit too too eager

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central i went a little bit too far there Yeah,

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I should have. Can I please cut you, Sean Porter?

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It was really cool. He was really gracious. It

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was to date of all the boxers I've met. It was

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the best experience ever. It was Sean Porter.

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Oh, man. We don't have a whole lot in our recaps

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here. There's two cards. We'll get to the smaller

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one first, and that was Tony Harrison picks up

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a dub over who? I think that Dazone was being

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really generous when they were talking up how

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this performance was. I don't know. Josh, you

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watched this one too, right? And you had some

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concerns? Yeah, Harrison... I'm not telling you

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your business, but Harrison should... He's not

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looking... He's never been sturdy, but... Not

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to say that in any way he even looks it anymore.

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Yeah. Some guys should hang him up, but not out

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of any other thing. There's a lot of life to

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live. at 34. That's how old Tony Harrison is?

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He's 34. There's a lot of life to live. He's

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still younger than Uson can pack, man. Come on,

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guy. Yeah, but I mean, the miles on the clock

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there. Hold on. I want to pull up who's at 154

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because I feel like... That was a 160. He's not

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154 anymore. Oh, shit. Okay, my mistake. That,

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even better, like, that does give him some options.

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Yeah, he does have a contention window. It's

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just, like, man, you gotta... It's just really

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steep. The peak, the summit is extremely steep.

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Yeah, like, he's just, like, he's just... He's

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never been all that durable. Still is. And he's

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less durable than he was. Mm -hmm. It's just

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not a good idea for him. He'll get himself a

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few more fights. They'll be fine. They'll be

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whatever. Pick a random guy from France or from

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Ireland. And there you go. You got some Tony

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Harrison opponents. Yeah, I just don't think

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it's in his best interest anymore. He said himself

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that he felt better as a coach than he has as

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a fighter. Yeah, Harrison actually might be a

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good coach. Yeah, from what he says, if nothing

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else, he enjoys it better. And so, like he said,

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a lot of life to live. Yeah, dude. If you want

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to coach, don't let anything stop you. Yeah.

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Moving up. Clarissa Shields versus Lonnie Daniels.

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This was fine. It is what it is, man. Clarissa,

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it was fine. It is what it is. Clarissa needs

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to start fighting men at this point because there's

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no one in her, like, remotely close to her weight

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that can hang with her. I think that's a fair

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point. Like, that's where we're at. Her maybe

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versus Virgil Ortiz? I think the level of...

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contender that she would be fighting is not gonna

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be I think what some what some people would like

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expect I think that they would overestimate Clarissa

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Shields and say like oh she should be fighting

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Terrence Crawford or yeah like no No, we're not

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there. Something fucking ridiculous like that.

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Like, no. Jojo Diaz. Hey, like, Nico Ali. Jojo

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Diaz. You know what? Nico Ali Walsh. Jojo Diaz.

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Regis Progray. Whatever. Guys, guys. Like, guys

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who at least, like, you know what? Like, it's

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a fight. It's a fight. It's all right. It's fun.

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It's not, like. It's not like my younger brother's,

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like, it's not like my younger brother's science

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teacher who's, like, she happens to weigh 175

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pounds and have half a career. She's the best

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at her box fit class. Yeah. Crazy. Well, that's

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what it is in heavyweight. For women? Yeah, dude.

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Like, there ain't really shit going on. I just

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never, I know that. I never would have thought

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of him. Box fit. Boxer size. That's just how

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it is. It's like that lady that Senecia Estrada

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got the fastest knockout record or whatever with.

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She was a no -shit coffee barista. She was a

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no -shit barista. That was her primary job. Yeah,

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like, again, like... No, no like Clarissa's fighting

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who she can Estrada had no excuse because she

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was in a weight class that actually had people

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But my point stands being like holy shit there

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needs to be like He did like I don't know if

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there's anything anything left you gotta try

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and Fight men at this point there's no one for

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you It's either people you already beat at a

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worse weight class or like... Nothing. Give her

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Usyk. She's at heavyweight. You know what Usyk

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can be? Usyk can be a double undisputed champion

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at heavyweight. Men's and women's. Oh my god,

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guys, I got it. I got it. I got it. You kill

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two birds with one stone? Laurenza Coley versus

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Clorsa Stills. That would be a decision. That's

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actually not the worst. That's not the worst.

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It's not terrible. I would put The House on Shields

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just because I hate Okoli that much. Yeah. I

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would probably be against Okoli because I cannot

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be for him winning. No. I feel bad even thinking

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about him winning. We do not need him to perpetuate

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himself. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Jesus. Like,

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start fighting guys. Straight up. She rates.

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She does. This is like a skill for skill situation.

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We're taking the gender. Out of rankings. For

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just like. Suspending disbelief. And now we're

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talking like. Clarissa dude. You could probably

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beat some dudes. You probably could. Yeah. You're

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good enough to do it. And more importantly. There's

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nobody good enough. Yeah. You are like the chosen

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one. You can do this. The chosen one. I believe.

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He's the quote. She's the quote. I fucking believe

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it. I believe she could beat a dude. That would

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bring Lila out of fucking retirement. I would

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prefer that they not waste. How many millions

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was that? Too many. Just pay a guy. Pay a guy

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and actually challenge yourself. They're just

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saying that to bullshit. They're not really going

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to bring her out. Oh, I know. Like, just pay

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a guy. Actually do it. Joey Spencer. I think

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we were talking about him. Like, Joey Spencer

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is bad enough. Wait, who knocked your own sporting?

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Some Ukrainian guy. Okay. Some guy, literally.

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Yeah, Joey Spencer. Well, we'll leave that there.

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Moving up to the top -ranked card, also on July

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26th, I'm going to point out some shit that happened

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on the undercard because I felt it was important.

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Juanma Lopez, the second, gets a stoppage into

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over Jorge Sanchez. Emiliano Vargas KO1 over

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Alejandro Espinoza. That was super quick. I'm

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not sure what else to say about it. Yeah, Emiliano.

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It looked pretty cool. Full counter, boom. Damn,

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that was nice. It looked pretty good, too. I

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mean, it was a pretty standard top -ranked card.

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Like, all the guys who were supposed to win won.

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Yeah, that's true. But, I mean, come on. That

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was a solid enough card, I would say. Not bad.

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Sick knockout for Vargas. Yeah. Like, I didn't

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mind this card. It's just, like, very, like,

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there's not much to say. Everyone looked how

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they always do, which is good. It was weird in

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the Juanma fight where it was, like, The ref

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kind of stopped it for a weird reason. I don't

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know. Just for everyone looking how they're supposed

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to. That was a little bit of a deviation from

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the script, as it were. Yeah, I would say that

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I think Emiliano himself, I think he'll probably

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step up soon. He should. I think maybe within

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the next year. I think he should step up. Because

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that last fight was an eight -rounder, right?

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Was it a 10 -rounder? Eight. Yeah, so I think

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he should be stepping up to a 10 -rounder with

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maybe like a whoever loses the Regis program

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versus Jojo Diaz. Maybe fight the loser of that

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fight. Yeah. So fight Jojo Diaz and then work

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your way up from there. Maybe fight a... What's

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his name? The guy that people fought a couple

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years ago. The Crawford. Spence on your card.

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Right. No, no, no, no. Giovanni. Oh, Giovanni

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Cabrera. That would be a good step up high for

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him. I'd say. I like that. This was. Actually,

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the beginning of the main portion, the last fight

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on the undercard was Rohan Polanco versus Quentin

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Randall. Polanco was fine. I came into this pretty

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high on him. I was expecting something a lot

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better than this. He showed some flaws here.

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If you can negate the power punch, then this

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guy's not really that much of a threat. But what

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are you going to do? Sorry, Rohan. Maybe it was

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just an off night. I think there's also better

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prospects for up -and -coming guys than Rohan.

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But I still think Toppin can still make him a

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solid enough contender, maybe even a champion.

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Yeah, that's how they are. That's the relationship

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they have with WBO. They might be able to work

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him into a belt. That's what I'm saying. I think

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if you're a prospect, the best promotional company

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to work for is obviously Top Rank. Hands down.

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They got that WBO route on lock. I mean, I think

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the majority of the WBO champions are under Top

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Rank. I don't protect you all the way up, dude.

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Exactly. Whatever Bob orders. Whatever Bob orders.

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Whatever Bob orders, yeah. And honestly, like,

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I mean, after like a couple years, you could

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move to another promotional company like PBC,

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even Matchroom, you know? Make yourself a little

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more money. I think Top Ring is needed with the

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promotional companies right now. They're the

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prime prospect promotional company. I think that's

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what they do best. They've always done that very

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well. Building guys up from the ground. Exactly.

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They built guys up to the ground very well. Whereas,

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in my opinion, something like the PBC doesn't

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really do well at all. You know? Well, that was

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the whole Showbox thing back in the day. Well,

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yeah, but I'm saying, like, current PBC right

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now. Yeah, current PBC, yeah. Well, everything's

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in a rough spot because there's no fucking TV

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deals for anyone anymore. Yeah, which is, yeah.

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It's either you go Probox or you go PBC, you

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know? Yeah. Honestly, Probox might go. Also,

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you've seen a shocking amount of guys come out

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being Probox guys and showing that they're actually

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good. Yeah, they deserve the title contention.

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Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I think Top Ring

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is the best for that right now. It also kind

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of used to be a little bit... Kind of like Golden

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Boy used to be a good... prospect builder but

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obviously not not as much anymore i think that

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they were helped when they were financed by what's

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his name um richard schaefer schaffer yeah when

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they were like financed by him and he was basically

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an arm for al hayman yeah so like he was building

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prospects then because he had fight of You had

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the capital to do it. Yeah, exactly. He had the

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money. And now they don't have them anymore.

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They don't have them. Golden Boy, we did. I feel

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like Golden Boy is going to be the first out

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of the major promotional companies in the United

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States to capitulate. They're already basically

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gone. Yeah. Right now, yeah. They're basically

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already, in a sense, kind of done for. They're

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off the map. They're stuck with the zone in Turkey

00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:22.789
until the end. Exactly, yeah. Oscar needs to

00:19:22.789 --> 00:19:25.890
clean Turkey's shoes as much as possible at this

00:19:25.890 --> 00:19:29.410
point. He needs to suck up his pride and do that

00:19:29.410 --> 00:19:31.970
or suck up the jig ball. Because otherwise, his

00:19:31.970 --> 00:19:35.890
promotional company is at its weakest point it's

00:19:35.890 --> 00:19:39.170
ever been. Right now, especially how he has only...

00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:42.750
I think we talked about this earlier with Zurdo.

00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.900
as a champion for the males. For the males, you

00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:48.799
have Gabby Fandora, which I love Gabby. Don't

00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.720
get me wrong, but at the same time, at the same

00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.519
time, unfortunately... That being your only champ

00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:58.480
is not great. Exactly, yeah. No, it would be

00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:04.680
her and Oscar Collazo. Oh, boy. I know that really

00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:09.980
adds a lot to the whole defense, but... But still,

00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.970
that's still champion. But at the same time,

00:20:14.049 --> 00:20:16.089
yeah, it's something. But at the same time, it's

00:20:16.089 --> 00:20:19.349
like you can't – no disrespect, but Oscar can't

00:20:19.349 --> 00:20:21.150
sell pay -per -view. Gabby can't sell pay -per

00:20:21.150 --> 00:20:24.029
-view. Giorno can't sell pay -per -view unless

00:20:24.029 --> 00:20:29.650
it's with J -Paul or with Riyad. With anyone

00:20:29.650 --> 00:20:33.509
else. Besides themselves, yeah. Right. We just

00:20:33.509 --> 00:20:37.470
saw Queensbury do their own pay -per -view. Yeah,

00:20:37.529 --> 00:20:40.150
I mean, it was with Usyk and Dubois, but it was

00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:44.019
still – you know, in -house. They'd have to sell

00:20:44.019 --> 00:20:46.839
out to Riyadh. Matchroom, they haven't had a

00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:49.599
pay -per -view in God knows how long. I would

00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.759
say, I think last time was with Canelo. You know?

00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:55.400
Matchroom's been fucked for a while, though.

00:20:55.460 --> 00:20:58.099
Like, ever since Blatnovic stopped paying for

00:20:58.099 --> 00:21:02.779
Matchroom USA. Mm -hmm. Yeah, they've been kind

00:21:02.779 --> 00:21:04.519
of cooked for a while. They've been cooked for

00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.220
a bit. But they themselves haven't been too pay

00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:11.170
-per -view heavy. Unless it came with Anthony

00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:16.910
Joshua. Yeah. I don't know. Matchroom's tough

00:21:16.910 --> 00:21:19.369
to ascertain because they were bankrolled by

00:21:19.369 --> 00:21:22.529
Blatnovic and now it's Turkey. So they've always

00:21:22.529 --> 00:21:26.009
had just blank checks to throw the piss away.

00:21:26.130 --> 00:21:31.509
The gravy train, yeah. Yeah. And even then before

00:21:31.509 --> 00:21:35.670
Eddie Hearn had Sky Sports, bankrolling is bullshit.

00:21:41.879 --> 00:21:44.839
It's been tough to see how capable they actually

00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.940
are of running events. I mean, at the same time,

00:21:48.019 --> 00:21:51.599
even them, I see what you're saying, but they

00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.400
still have young talent. They have pretty good

00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.220
young talent. It's crazy to say that a British

00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:59.500
promotional company is doing better in the United

00:21:59.500 --> 00:22:03.400
States than a United States promotional company

00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.740
like Golden Boy. I mean, come on. Golden Boy

00:22:06.740 --> 00:22:12.319
has what? Pacheco's brother? Yeah. I mean, say

00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.099
what you want about Matchroom, you know, we make

00:22:14.099 --> 00:22:16.259
fun of Eddie Hearn all the time, but he's doing

00:22:16.259 --> 00:22:18.480
better than Oscar right now. Oscar is on his

00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.299
last legs. Unfortunately. Fortunately, unfortunately,

00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.880
because, you know, the story, you know, how Oscar

00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:29.920
is. But, I mean, come on. Yeah. Another, too,

00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:34.299
I think, I think PBC also is kind of, they themselves

00:22:34.299 --> 00:22:36.000
are kind of going on the downturn a little bit,

00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.480
too. pvc's always gonna have a home though that's

00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.480
the thing like the way the way pvc runs things

00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.240
they'll always have a home just because like

00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.539
they always they don't they don't they go out

00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:51.240
of their way like the others to burn bridges

00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:55.359
with former uh tv deals no yeah you're honest

00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.400
you're out well i don't know we have inside information

00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:03.680
from a guy that was from the pc mr uh mr abs

00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.750
but But I'll tell you this, that PBC, they're

00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.289
also at their weakest, in my opinion, at one

00:23:11.289 --> 00:23:14.190
of the weaker moments in their history. Because

00:23:14.190 --> 00:23:16.309
right now, they don't have a lot of pay -per

00:23:16.309 --> 00:23:18.329
-view stars. I mean, Benavidez is being sent

00:23:18.329 --> 00:23:23.049
to freaking ring four. Yeah. And then Tank, we

00:23:23.049 --> 00:23:25.569
don't even know what's happening with Tank. And

00:23:25.569 --> 00:23:28.289
then besides them two, they had to pull old man

00:23:28.289 --> 00:23:30.309
Pacquiao out of retirement to sell pay -per -view.

00:23:30.849 --> 00:23:35.279
You know? Which, yeah, they were... Do you guys

00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:36.380
even know the pay -per -view numbers from that

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:39.839
event? Not yet, probably. I haven't seen anything

00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:44.319
come out. Yeah, I mean, me neither. At max, I

00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.759
would say probably $300 ,000, $400 ,000 max.

00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.039
Yeah. In my opinion. I don't know. That's still

00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:54.619
pretty good for right now compared to how bad

00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:58.500
Turkey's pay -per -views have been doing. Yeah.

00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:01.000
But Turkey is bankrupt by now. Turkey's been

00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.519
doing horrific. by the government, you know.

00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:05.980
But it's still not sustainable. Like, they're

00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:09.640
not, they need to see a return someday. For sure,

00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:12.400
yeah. Like, it's what happened with the previous

00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:16.220
guy giving the blank checks out. Like, the Russian

00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:19.460
oligarchs are the, like, the war started and

00:24:19.460 --> 00:24:21.359
then it's like, okay, we're not making, we're

00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.480
literally, like, leaving money here. We're not

00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.339
doing this anymore. Yeah. No, yeah. I totally

00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:28.160
see what you're saying. But PBC is a standalone

00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.500
promotional company. They lost a lot of their

00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:34.079
pay -per -view stars. They have almost none right

00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:39.299
now. And again, one's fighting in DAZN, one's

00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:42.779
in limbo because he beat his fucking wife and

00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:44.900
potentially maybe his one -year -old child just

00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:48.579
because his toddler couldn't... I guess he was

00:24:48.579 --> 00:24:51.619
gay or whatever. I don't know why Tank did that.

00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.980
I don't know why Tank liked that. But that's

00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:56.279
costing the pay -per -view stars a lot of money.

00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.430
Yeah. Yeah, you can do the Roach rematch and

00:25:00.430 --> 00:25:02.569
you're just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, then you beat

00:25:02.569 --> 00:25:06.130
your fucking wife. Come on, dude. Fucking sick

00:25:06.130 --> 00:25:11.789
of this shit. Let's keep it rolling here. Bruce

00:25:11.789 --> 00:25:19.750
Carrington, UD over Mateus Hayta. I didn't see

00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:23.430
anything very special from Bruce Carrington that

00:25:23.430 --> 00:25:25.690
makes me think, oh, yeah, you can challenge.

00:25:26.879 --> 00:25:31.940
Stephen Fulton. And that'll be fine. Nah, man.

00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.140
Not seeing it. I have the same opinion as I've

00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:38.480
always had of Bruce Carrington. I just think

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:42.099
he's average. He's a fox, so I still gotta respect

00:25:42.099 --> 00:25:47.000
him. He's fine. Yeah, he's just fine. He's like

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.859
a McDonald's cheeseburger, you know? It's fine.

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:58.099
It does the job. So, To get to the level that

00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:02.819
he's at, I would say that's 80 % top -ranked

00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:09.079
protection system, 20 % he's actually above average,

00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.759
if nothing else. Yeah. I mean, he still fought

00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.500
to get where he's at right now. Right. If he

00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:19.339
was completely dog -ass, he would be another

00:26:19.339 --> 00:26:24.920
ham and cheeser, you know? Yeah. So, I don't

00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.390
know. I'm not big on Bruce Carrington. He is

00:26:29.390 --> 00:26:33.829
a ring ambassador, surprisingly. What? Yeah,

00:26:33.930 --> 00:26:37.609
he's an ambassador for the ring. Along with Keyshawn

00:26:37.609 --> 00:26:44.130
and Zilla, I think. And out of those guys, Zilla's

00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:46.970
going to be the only one that's going to be a

00:26:46.970 --> 00:26:49.769
champ. Well, no, I still think Keyshawn's very

00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:53.910
good. It's just he's had a very bad PR for a

00:26:53.910 --> 00:26:56.289
couple months. Yeah, you're right. You know?

00:26:56.829 --> 00:27:00.029
So... I mean, yeah, whatever. Either way, Shushu,

00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.470
he's just... He's just painfully average, I would

00:27:02.470 --> 00:27:09.549
say. And... I don't know if... Speaking of painfully

00:27:09.549 --> 00:27:14.390
average, question mark, Xander Zayas versus Jorge...

00:27:14.390 --> 00:27:17.390
Oh, they called him Garcia. That's what they

00:27:17.390 --> 00:27:22.890
went by. Painfully average, like... It was just

00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:28.250
like... Xander Zayas had all the answers necessary

00:27:28.250 --> 00:27:35.450
to solve this very textbook problem. I don't

00:27:35.450 --> 00:27:38.769
know if that's calling him hyper -average is

00:27:38.769 --> 00:27:43.450
hyperbolic. No, I don't think... Look, I'll say

00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:46.250
this. I would call Xander Zayas, and I believe

00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:49.609
I said this last time, that I'm not too high

00:27:49.609 --> 00:27:53.240
on Xander Zayas. I wanted Horace to win. so that

00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.940
we could get a version fight. But at the end

00:27:55.940 --> 00:27:58.119
of the day, I mean, Xander did show me levels

00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.299
that I hadn't seen from him previously. And the

00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:02.779
fact that he's only 22 years old, he has a lot

00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:05.980
of time to grow. You know, even Keyshawn, even

00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:08.920
before he turned, when he gave the weed, he became

00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.940
kind of mythical. You know, but before then,

00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:14.099
he kind of looked a little, yeah. So there is

00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:16.319
room for growth, no doubt about it. But I believe

00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.180
Xander, he does need some, he does need some

00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:22.059
work. But he did, in my opinion, have a good

00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:25.180
performance. Yeah, he had a good night. He just

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:28.859
doesn't have the ceiling that some of the fellas

00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:33.500
at the apex of 154 do. He's totally not going

00:28:33.500 --> 00:28:36.519
to match up with Virgil well. That doesn't mean

00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:42.019
he's bad at all. Madrimov, etc. Well, I mean,

00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.160
again, he's still young. You can't say he has

00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.700
a high ceiling yet. Again, I agree with what

00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:49.750
you're saying, but we don't know. how high he

00:28:49.750 --> 00:28:53.109
can get, you know? We don't know what his limit

00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:57.549
is. He's a world champion now. Yeah, and I will

00:28:57.549 --> 00:28:59.710
say that with Brian Norman Jr., everybody was

00:28:59.710 --> 00:29:02.630
calling him, same thing, painfully average. You

00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:04.950
know, he's not worth a shit. He became champion,

00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:08.170
got potentially a knockout of the year. People

00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:10.190
are raving about him right now. So, what does

00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:15.569
that tell you? It just takes a bit of time. Yep.

00:29:16.349 --> 00:29:21.440
Yep, you're right. Anything more for the top

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.359
-ranked card at the Madison Square Garden Theater?

00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:35.019
All right. Well, then, let me do this. Oh, fuck.

00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.000
We are heading into a weekend with... We have

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:46.000
nothing. Nothing. We have nothing. On the fucking

00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:51.279
docket. So... We're going to do... Hold on, real

00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.599
quick. How much time do we have right now? God,

00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:59.559
it's a lovely segment. Lovely segment when we

00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:04.880
start with that. What time are we at? 38. 38?

00:30:05.059 --> 00:30:07.079
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that could be cut out. That's

00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.920
only for the patrons. Yeah, of course. That's

00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.700
a little half the day of editing. Who will be

00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:19.160
a champion within one year? This is a fucking

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:27.160
loaded -ass question, I feel. I got some picks.

00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.680
All right. So we're going to work our way up.

00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:35.380
So I got to pull up the rankings for every weight

00:30:35.380 --> 00:30:38.500
class? You probably will. Yeah, I might need

00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:42.319
to use the Dritterbox trick. Yeah, I'm using

00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.430
Boxerick. Fuck this. How the situation works

00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:48.549
is who's going to be champion within one year?

00:30:48.809 --> 00:30:54.009
The question is, will the current champion or

00:30:54.009 --> 00:30:57.769
the best in the division, will they still be

00:30:57.769 --> 00:31:01.470
the best of the division? Are we starting with

00:31:01.470 --> 00:31:06.690
minimum weight? We are. Oh, my God. If the current

00:31:06.690 --> 00:31:12.630
best guy is going to remain the best guy, then...

00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:19.759
It goes as simple as that. So like minimum weight,

00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.779
if you're either going with Oscar Collazo or

00:31:23.779 --> 00:31:27.319
you're thinking CP Freshmart. Yeah, I was about

00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.380
to say, where's the Huckout CP Freshmart? He's

00:31:30.380 --> 00:31:36.019
got a rebound. My gold. It's the only play I

00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:39.779
know of minimum weight. Yeah, that's pretty much

00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:43.640
all there is to minimum weight. Koyazo might

00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:48.200
just stay champion. That's it. Knockout CP Freshmart

00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:53.059
is going to regain his title and reign for many

00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:56.819
more years. Someone's got to do it. Someone's

00:31:56.819 --> 00:32:00.700
got to ride for the opposite side. We've got

00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:02.940
to ride for Knockout CP Freshmart. I'm saying

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.299
we should probably do the same thing. We should

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:11.220
pay Ty Boxer to be called Lux Media or something.

00:32:12.600 --> 00:32:16.740
Oh, sponsor one of them. Yeah, we sponsor one

00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:21.960
of them. That way we get a world champion named

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.440
Lux Media. Yeah, in a fight with CP Freshmark.

00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:32.319
Yes. Light Flyweight. I don't know who anybody

00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:39.000
is here, so I got nothing. That's 112, right?

00:32:39.380 --> 00:32:47.890
108. 108? Carlos Canizales, I believe, is fighting

00:32:47.890 --> 00:32:53.730
somebody. What is it? Which weight class are

00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:56.910
we at again? 108. Still minimum? Light fly, okay.

00:32:59.730 --> 00:33:03.990
Can I still, can I knock out CP Freshmart as

00:33:03.990 --> 00:33:06.890
my pick still? Honestly, yes. You really can.

00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:09.710
Let's go! I'm gonna ride that train too. All

00:33:09.710 --> 00:33:19.170
right, cool. Moving up to flyweight. Francisco

00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:24.049
Rodriguez. Kenshiro Taraji. I think Taraji keeps

00:33:24.049 --> 00:33:26.589
it for the next year. Yeah, I think he keeps

00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:29.069
it for the next year. All right. For the next

00:33:29.069 --> 00:33:36.210
year? How about that? Super flyweight. Bam or

00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:38.900
Puma. That's pretty much what you're... What's

00:33:38.900 --> 00:33:43.920
your pick in here? Well, Bam, obviously. Well,

00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.799
I don't think Bam. I think Bam moves up. I think

00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.220
he beats Puma and takes one more fight, and that'll

00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:53.880
be the next year. Yeah, it's going to be Bam

00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.420
unless he moves up, basically. The thing with

00:33:58.420 --> 00:34:00.319
Bam is that, and I think this is a pretty good

00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.019
timeline, is that once Bam fights Puma, from

00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:06.339
what he said, he wants to fight for Undisputed.

00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.400
So that gives you about a four -month interval

00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.579
until his next fight from November. Normally,

00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:18.340
I'd believe in Ioka usually, but he's old and

00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:24.119
kind of lost. We'll see. But, you know, Garcia,

00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:27.639
he's got the type. I've never seen the guy fight,

00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.659
really. But that's the fight that Vampire will

00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:34.480
take next year and become a disputed. And I know

00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.070
that... In a way, Nakatani are fighting next

00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:40.610
year as well. If everything goes to plan. I think

00:34:40.610 --> 00:34:43.210
sometime in, I believe, May, right? Next May?

00:34:44.369 --> 00:34:49.630
I think so. Yeah, so by the time they fight,

00:34:49.909 --> 00:34:52.690
you could probably potentially get a Bam Nakatani

00:34:52.690 --> 00:35:00.150
fight end of next year, early 2027. Yeah. That's

00:35:00.150 --> 00:35:06.420
my prediction. Moving up. To ban some weight.

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:13.579
Looking at... Within one year, is Junto still

00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:17.239
going to be here? No, but also, like, out of

00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:19.960
everyone here, no one's beaten him. Yeah, for

00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.840
sure. So, like, it really... Not even in their

00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.940
fucking dreams, they're not beating Nakatani.

00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.840
So, we're going to take Nakatani out the picture

00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:34.800
here, and it's what Yoshihita Kei... Say Yasutsumi,

00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:39.059
if you want to throw Takuma Inoue back into the

00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:44.260
mix. And then David Cuellar or Estrada, if you

00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:48.599
want to throw... Estrada is ancient. I have faith

00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.079
in Cuellar, actually. Cuellar is, I think, better

00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.519
than people give him credit for. Yeah, like,

00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.880
yeah, he got iced by Nakatani, but also... That's

00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.039
Nakatani. Like, what the fuck? Wow, wow. Again,

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:12.440
not even in his dreams. So, case in point. Between

00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:17.599
Takei and Tsutsumi, for them to unify, like,

00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.880
oh, shit, well, Tsutsumi was the WBA titleist

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:32.269
that lost his shit. All weirdly. But Takei versus

00:36:32.269 --> 00:36:40.630
Tsumi. Brawler versus the boxer puncher. What

00:36:40.630 --> 00:36:44.389
are you thinking? What are we thinking? What

00:36:44.389 --> 00:36:47.329
are you thinking between a brawler and a boxer

00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:53.170
puncher? I'll tell you. I think there's a kind

00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:57.059
of... Easy answer, but also a very hard answer.

00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.440
I think, in my opinion, a box puncher beats a

00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:07.199
brawler if they have more power. You know what

00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.159
I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's just like the two

00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.480
styles that I was looking at. Who would beat

00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:18.280
the guy at 118? Right now, that's what it comes

00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.619
down to for me. It's Tommy Hearns versus Roberto

00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:33.960
Duran. Oh, shit. Let's keep it rolling. 122.

00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:42.000
Is it anybody other than Inouye? No. Unless Inouye,

00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.380
like, tears ACL in the ring. Unless, yeah, it

00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:50.519
gets, like, MJ or something. Like, MJ again?

00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:56.429
Or no, not MJ. I thought just my head went to

00:37:56.429 --> 00:38:03.130
Marlon Topolos. No, no, no. Maybe MJ, but that's

00:38:03.130 --> 00:38:08.610
only... I don't know. Yeah, it's probably going

00:38:08.610 --> 00:38:11.730
to be Inouye. Yeah, Inouye's going to keep it.

00:38:11.809 --> 00:38:15.409
Nobody is like two, three fights away and they're

00:38:15.409 --> 00:38:20.150
going to beat him or some shit. okay featherweight

00:38:20.150 --> 00:38:24.210
126 we got uh this is just on box rec you know

00:38:24.210 --> 00:38:27.010
so beloved listener take it with a grain of salt

00:38:27.010 --> 00:38:31.010
at the very top we have rafael espinoza nick

00:38:31.010 --> 00:38:35.269
ball steven fulton luis netty brandon figueroa

00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:38.329
and that's the top five is anybody gonna not

00:38:38.329 --> 00:38:41.449
that's gonna stay espinoza yeah yeah for sure

00:38:41.449 --> 00:38:45.250
like nick ball espinoza is gonna be hilarious

00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:50.150
that'll be comical Straight jokes. Straight jokes.

00:38:50.489 --> 00:38:53.050
But, yeah, it'll be fun. I think it'll play out

00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:56.110
similar to Fundora versus Tim Zhu, to be honest

00:38:56.110 --> 00:39:01.309
with you. I actually got a – I would think, honestly,

00:39:01.409 --> 00:39:04.250
in a way, probably be the new champion. At 26?

00:39:05.090 --> 00:39:07.329
Yeah. Yeah, actually, you're right. You're right.

00:39:07.570 --> 00:39:10.929
You're right. When he moves up. That's who I

00:39:10.929 --> 00:39:13.329
think will probably be the new champion. I think

00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:15.539
he'll kind of just stay the same. So Espinoza

00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:19.380
is going to be the guy that greets Inouye. What

00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:23.340
about if we take Espinoza out of it? Nick Ball.

00:39:23.539 --> 00:39:26.760
Do you think Nick Ball keeps the top seed? I

00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.840
don't believe. I don't think so. Call me a hater.

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.639
Call me a hater. I can't fucking stand Nick Ball.

00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:38.699
Fulton beats Nick Ball. Fulton knows. Are you

00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:39.960
guys saying that Inouye will fight Nick Ball

00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.159
or Nick Ball will win? Who is going to be the

00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.900
next top guy? When Inoue moves up. If it's not

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:50.559
Espinosa. Fulton's going up. Fulton's going to

00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.800
go up. Fulton again? No, no. Fulton's going up

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.159
to 130. I'll talk about it right now. Oh, that's

00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.579
right. You're right. He's going up. You know

00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:03.059
what? After Nakatani beats Inoue, he's going

00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:08.719
to come beat up 126. I highly disagree. That's

00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.400
right. Stephen Fulton is moving up. So then it's

00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.980
Nick Ball, Luis Neri, Brandon Figueroa, Angelo

00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:22.139
Leo, and then Bruce Carrington to make it a number

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:28.940
five. I would say probably if you bring Espinosa

00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:34.559
in... Espinosa wastes all of these dudes. Well,

00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.119
yeah, but... Bring Espinosa in, that would be

00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.639
a lot harder, but we can take Espinosa out. It's

00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.219
taking Espinosa out. Stephen Fulton's leaving

00:40:43.219 --> 00:40:54.139
the division. I mean, probably maybe even Shushu.

00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.639
I'm not his biggest fan, but at the same time,

00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.719
if he fights for the vacant belt, he might just

00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.369
fight. He could make himself the top dude. Yeah,

00:41:05.429 --> 00:41:09.309
exactly. So, you never know. I think the new

00:41:09.309 --> 00:41:11.070
champion is going to be for whoever gets that

00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:20.429
bacon belt. Super featherweight. 130. Yeah, 130.

00:41:20.670 --> 00:41:26.710
The guy at the top is Emanuel Navarrete. It's

00:41:26.710 --> 00:41:30.489
not going to stay Navarrete. His going down box

00:41:30.489 --> 00:41:35.329
rec, 2345. Kakachi, Oshaki Foster, Ray Ford,

00:41:35.630 --> 00:41:43.030
and Eduardo Nunez. Ray Ford, for sure. I think

00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:46.269
Ray Ford gets the title. I think Foster can beat

00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:50.889
Nav and Ray Ford. Well, I think if Fulton goes

00:41:50.889 --> 00:41:54.269
up, I think he beats Foster. Oh, true. I would

00:41:54.269 --> 00:42:00.710
also rate Fulton to beat Nav, Kakachi, Ray Ford.

00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.519
Pretty much everyone. I glaze Stephen Fulton

00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:10.559
unapologetically. Yeah, I understand. I think

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.760
Stephen Fulton does take it. I think he does

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.639
beat Shaggy Foster. I think Stephen Fulton's

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.019
a little more dynamic than Shaggy Foster. Does

00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:23.380
he beat Nav? Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Nav is

00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:28.440
just... You know what? What we say about Barrios...

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.300
Is what Nav is. Nav is worse. Yes. You're absolutely

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:34.980
right. Nav is the worst champion. Oh, yeah. I

00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:36.360
think... Yeah, you know what? I think I will

00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.239
say that. That Nav is the worst champion in...

00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:46.039
Oh, shit. You're probably right. Fuck. For one

00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.900
up and lost to a Keyshawn... Lost to Keyshawn's

00:42:49.900 --> 00:42:55.320
dude. With a top ring protection program. Calvin

00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:01.280
Davis? No, no, Keyshawn. Oh, shit. I thought

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.739
you were... Baranchik. Baranchik beat... That's

00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:10.820
right. Navarrete. Navarrete. But yeah, you know,

00:43:10.820 --> 00:43:12.599
I take back what I said. Maybe Navarrete might

00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.780
be one of the first to lose. You never know.

00:43:17.059 --> 00:43:26.550
Yeah. All right, let's keep going. 135. This

00:43:26.550 --> 00:43:29.909
is interesting. 135 is constantly in motion.

00:43:29.929 --> 00:43:32.789
I think it will honestly be between Andy Cruz

00:43:32.789 --> 00:43:38.269
and Keyshawn when it all sorts itself out. I

00:43:38.269 --> 00:43:43.150
disagree with you. Mainly because if Tank retires

00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:44.869
within the next year, which I feel like is...

00:43:44.869 --> 00:43:48.030
Tank's basically not in the picture, though,

00:43:48.050 --> 00:43:52.750
for 135. Like, realistically. You can hate me

00:43:52.750 --> 00:43:55.800
for saying this. Lloyd Schofield is rated very

00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.739
highly in the WBA. I think, honestly, if Tank...

00:44:00.739 --> 00:44:03.219
Yeah, but do either of them beat... Let's go.

00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:06.300
Do either of them beat Keyshawn or Andy Cruz?

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.639
Keyshawn's going up to 140. And Andy Cruz is

00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:15.280
probably going to be fighting Murataya. That's

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.940
kind of where it stands right now. Whereas the

00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:22.199
WBA is kind of... It's kind of held by Gervonta

00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.949
for so long. That I think that when he's gone,

00:44:26.150 --> 00:44:29.909
it's kind of like a power vacuum, you know? That

00:44:29.909 --> 00:44:36.349
probably Floyd can pick up, you know? That's

00:44:36.349 --> 00:44:39.789
how I see it. That's how I see it, though. I

00:44:39.789 --> 00:44:45.150
don't know if you guys agree, disagree. I'm inclined

00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:55.660
to agree with you. Okay. Let's keep... Rolling.

00:44:55.660 --> 00:45:04.219
140. 140. Right now, BoxRed has Teofimo, Subreal

00:45:04.219 --> 00:45:08.820
Matias, Andy Hiraoka, Richardson Hitchens, and

00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:16.360
Adam. Oh, Jesus. You know what? Wait. We just

00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.420
fought and lost to Matias, but... I'm not gonna

00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:26.519
lie. I don't, yeah, it could be Antoine. I believe

00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:31.119
in Matias more than anyone. Just because, like,

00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.139
Lopez is probably moving up to 147, and Matias

00:45:35.139 --> 00:45:39.780
kind of runs over everyone else. Well, no, I

00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:42.619
disagree with that. I highly disagree with that,

00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.619
actually. Yes, I understand he's a fun fighter,

00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.760
but to think that Matias beats Richard Hitchens,

00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.739
I don't know about that. I think Hitchens out

00:45:50.739 --> 00:45:53.530
-jabs. He's outboxed the hell out of Matias.

00:45:53.530 --> 00:45:57.250
We can expect that fight soon, can't we? Does

00:45:57.250 --> 00:46:06.889
Hitchens gas hold up? Well, I don't know. We'll

00:46:06.889 --> 00:46:08.090
see what happens with Donald Smith and Matias

00:46:08.090 --> 00:46:09.309
because that's probably the next likely fight.

00:46:09.829 --> 00:46:12.130
They literally told him, no, no, no, you're fine,

00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:16.150
Donald Smith. You can't do shit about it. I mean,

00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:17.829
we all want the Gary Antoine -Russell -Matias

00:46:17.829 --> 00:46:20.250
fight, right? That's the fight we all want. Of

00:46:20.250 --> 00:46:22.809
course. But that's not going to happen, most

00:46:22.809 --> 00:46:26.010
likely. I don't think. Unless, like, Turkey just

00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:29.329
wakes up one day and says, you know what? Fuck

00:46:29.329 --> 00:46:33.550
you, Eddie Hearn. Let's go with PBC. You know?

00:46:33.929 --> 00:46:35.929
But that's, you know, Eddie Hearn's a little

00:46:35.929 --> 00:46:40.909
s***, though. I'm sorry, that was too far. That

00:46:40.909 --> 00:46:43.769
was too far. That's fine. I'll bleep it. Yeah,

00:46:43.869 --> 00:46:48.150
you can bleep it. Alright, moving up to Welterweight.

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.840
Jerron Ennis has already moved up. So the top

00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:01.920
five. Oh, fuck. You know what? Fuck this. Roley.

00:47:02.139 --> 00:47:07.800
Roley's the best. No. No. Brian, no. I don't

00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.539
want to admit. I'm going to have to say Roley.

00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:13.659
Who else? Who else? And I'll tell you why. Brian

00:47:13.659 --> 00:47:17.239
Norman Jr. What? The guy who priced himself out

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.059
of Boots? No. Yeah. He beats Roley. That boy

00:47:22.059 --> 00:47:24.280
beats Roley. Yeah, that boy beats Roley. Brian

00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.360
Norman, like, yeah, I'm not doing that in good

00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.500
conscience because he literally priced himself

00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:30.880
out of boots. Just because he priced himself

00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.360
out of... That's fucking boots, Dennis, dude.

00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.159
Yeah, so fight and lose the boots then. That's

00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.019
a lamp to the slaughter, okay? Fight and lose

00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:42.739
the boots then. Okay, let me ask you this. You

00:47:42.739 --> 00:47:45.079
think Brian Norman Jr. is a better boxer than

00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.719
Rolando Romero? No. I mean, yes, yes, actually.

00:47:48.739 --> 00:47:50.679
I think he's better. But you know what? Roley

00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:55.980
isn't a bitch, though. Roley will look like shit.

00:47:56.019 --> 00:47:58.599
He'll make his funny fucking Eric Carvin noises.

00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.420
He'll get knocked out, and then he'll be back.

00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:05.519
It's not all. You're only giving me triple my

00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.000
career high to fight boots. None of that. But

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.880
you know what? Brian Norman Jr. is the king of

00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.409
the division, no doubt about it. Come on. Yeah,

00:48:13.489 --> 00:48:18.150
only because I can't. Who else is there? I can't

00:48:18.150 --> 00:48:22.070
support Haney. Well, I'm going to tell you right

00:48:22.070 --> 00:48:25.489
now that as much as I... This is very controversial,

00:48:25.530 --> 00:48:28.650
too. I've voiced this opinion many times in the

00:48:28.650 --> 00:48:32.010
server. I feel like they're going to do some

00:48:32.010 --> 00:48:34.989
fighters dirty this year. I got a feeling that

00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:37.150
they're going to have Ryan... What? You're telling

00:48:37.150 --> 00:48:42.050
me this sport is corrupt? I can't believe you're

00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:48.989
implying this. No way. No way. No way. I'm thinking

00:48:48.989 --> 00:48:51.989
what's going to happen is Devin Haney, yeah,

00:48:52.070 --> 00:48:54.090
twice. And I'll tell you who it's going to be.

00:48:54.110 --> 00:48:56.110
Devin Haney, they're going to get Devin Haney

00:48:56.110 --> 00:48:58.829
to get the title from Norman. Because Devin Haney,

00:48:58.949 --> 00:49:00.670
if Norman doesn't knock out Devin Haney, I feel

00:49:00.670 --> 00:49:01.789
like Devin Haney's probably going to take that

00:49:01.789 --> 00:49:04.170
title. I have to say, Norman can punch too well.

00:49:05.329 --> 00:49:09.630
Yeah, yeah. I think... It ain't happening. I

00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:11.610
think Norman knocks him out, but if he doesn't

00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:12.710
knock him out, they're going to give it to Haney

00:49:12.710 --> 00:49:17.230
for sure. And then once they do that, with Ryan

00:49:17.230 --> 00:49:20.030
and Roley, I got a feeling, and you can hate

00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:22.369
me for this. You can hate me for this, okay?

00:49:22.550 --> 00:49:27.289
I understand. But they might just drop Roley

00:49:27.289 --> 00:49:30.230
if they do that rematch in Riyadh. I think Roley

00:49:30.230 --> 00:49:34.309
just fucking sucks. So if Ryan shows up and actually

00:49:34.309 --> 00:49:38.639
boxes and isn't the... I don't think you need

00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.260
the job, Broly. He's terrible. But yeah, exactly.

00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:46.199
But the thing is, if Ryan looks better than a

00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.900
corpse, you know, he might just take that title.

00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.179
Then they do a unification bout between Ryan

00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:56.219
and Haney at Welterweight. I think that's what

00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:59.599
they're trying to do. I got a feeling. Because

00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.760
how the hell does Devin Haney... Why is Devin

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.679
Haney doing a title fight with Brian Norman Jr.?

00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.460
You could have fought Mario Barrios. You could

00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:11.940
have fought Rowley. You could have fought...

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:16.019
You know what? Good for Haney, at least. Brian

00:50:16.019 --> 00:50:19.619
Norman is the... I got to give it to Haney. Yeah,

00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:21.079
you're right. He's the hardest... Yeah, I'll

00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.300
give it to Haney. The hardest competition in

00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:25.059
that division, so I got to give it to him. It's

00:50:25.059 --> 00:50:28.820
very tough. I think he's going to pull out. I

00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:30.599
think he's going to pull out. I think it's going

00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.900
to be hilarious to see how bad Haney gets beaten,

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.650
but fine. Well... I just think that it's either

00:50:38.650 --> 00:50:41.829
Haney pulls out or these are the three options.

00:50:41.929 --> 00:50:44.690
Okay, Haney pulls out, Ryan Norman Jr. knocks

00:50:44.690 --> 00:50:50.630
him out, or Haney takes the decision. Those are

00:50:50.630 --> 00:50:54.550
the three options. I don't know. I don't like

00:50:54.550 --> 00:50:59.070
this whole Riyadh shit with putting Haney as

00:50:59.070 --> 00:51:03.110
the challenger against Norman. I think there's

00:51:03.110 --> 00:51:04.409
other people that you could have put against

00:51:04.409 --> 00:51:11.769
Norman. No? It would have been better. All right.

00:51:13.510 --> 00:51:17.809
154. Is it even tougher, dude? This is the last

00:51:17.809 --> 00:51:19.610
division that we're going to do for this round.

00:51:19.889 --> 00:51:22.269
We'll have to pick up the second half another

00:51:22.269 --> 00:51:30.150
time. Virgil. So, on BoxRec, number one is Terrence

00:51:30.150 --> 00:51:33.710
Crawford. Crawford's getting beaten in retirement.

00:51:33.949 --> 00:51:37.679
He's not valid. And I disagree with you, but

00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.059
we'll get to that another time. Number two is

00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:43.940
Ortiz. Three is Mortazaglia. Four is Zayas. Five

00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:49.719
is Fandora. Six, Bohachuk. Seven, Madrimov. That's

00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:54.719
about... Those are all relevant to the conversation.

00:51:56.260 --> 00:52:02.599
Well, I think Virgil Ortiz, he has a good chance

00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.110
of becoming champion. The realist... tile shot.

00:52:07.349 --> 00:52:10.289
It's going to end up being between Virgil, Bokrum,

00:52:10.349 --> 00:52:13.510
and Fundora. Like, Zayas is more or less a non

00:52:13.510 --> 00:52:16.730
-factor because all three of those guys kind

00:52:16.730 --> 00:52:19.889
of beat his ass bad and it's no... Like, again,

00:52:19.989 --> 00:52:23.150
no hate to Zayas. There's just three really,

00:52:23.289 --> 00:52:26.010
really good champs. Like, really, really good

00:52:26.010 --> 00:52:29.630
guys in this weight class. Who all happen to

00:52:29.630 --> 00:52:33.130
be you. I would not want to be put with those

00:52:33.130 --> 00:52:37.139
guys because... Zayas would get done bad. They're

00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:42.460
all offensive menaces, which is the problem.

00:52:44.860 --> 00:52:48.239
There's no guys where you can say you gave it

00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.260
a go when you lost the decision or whatever.

00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.519
These are three guys who will just beat you.

00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:56.820
I mean, Zayas, I'll tell you this, Zayas, you

00:52:56.820 --> 00:52:58.820
could fight someone like a Majima. You could

00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:02.559
fight someone like a... Yeah, but I'm saying

00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.219
for like a... Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him.

00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.460
Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him pretty soundly.

00:53:10.460 --> 00:53:12.639
Madrimov also gives him a decent run for his

00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.199
money. But it would be a good test for him. Yeah.

00:53:16.260 --> 00:53:19.800
But even if Bohachuk beats Zayas to get himself

00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.460
into the top whatever, just because he's a bellholder,

00:53:24.699 --> 00:53:29.159
I don't see Bohachuk making it very far beyond

00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:34.570
that. Yeah, no. Bohachuk, he's a good gatekeeper.

00:53:34.909 --> 00:53:38.550
Yes, yes. He's a guy for younger fighters to

00:53:38.550 --> 00:53:41.670
fight to see how good they are. Yeah, good test,

00:53:41.849 --> 00:53:44.590
yeah. Which, I mean, we need those type of guys

00:53:44.590 --> 00:53:47.409
in the sport. There's two of them. Bohachuk is

00:53:47.409 --> 00:53:51.889
like the brawler test, and Madrimov is the boxer

00:53:51.889 --> 00:53:58.210
test. Well, to an extent. Yeah, but they're on

00:53:58.210 --> 00:54:05.699
those particular spectrums. I don't have a good

00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:08.639
pick for who will become champion, but I got

00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.559
a good pick for who will lose their title. And

00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.940
it's not Pandora and it's not Zayas. I think

00:54:13.940 --> 00:54:16.739
it's going to be Murda Zayas. Loser of their

00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:21.079
title this year. To who? I think he might just

00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:26.500
lose to Erickson Lubin. Interesting. And honestly,

00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.539
I feel like that's for Virgil. I think that's

00:54:28.539 --> 00:54:33.110
the direct. That's the direct. path for title

00:54:33.110 --> 00:54:36.510
shot is going to be more dialogue because but

00:54:36.510 --> 00:54:39.489
nor is fighting spence for some fucking reason

00:54:39.489 --> 00:54:41.650
i don't know why spence is even the conversation

00:54:41.650 --> 00:54:44.670
still confirmed like i've seen that as a rumor

00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:47.789
for a long time i think it's but they're fighting

00:54:47.789 --> 00:54:52.429
in october oh shit i don't know why they're letting

00:54:52.429 --> 00:54:54.969
that happen i don't know why either that's not

00:54:54.969 --> 00:54:58.969
a good fight to make yeah so again if there's

00:54:58.969 --> 00:55:00.570
another person that i think might become champion

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.480
If, for some reason, Spence pulls it off, then

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.760
I guess Spence, but that's a disgusting fight.

00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.639
I don't want to see. Yeah, I don't want to consider

00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.440
that as an option. Especially with a Pandora

00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.460
that uses a jab. That might just be scary. Yeah,

00:55:17.539 --> 00:55:20.239
he's just going to piston fucking Errol Spence

00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:25.440
to death. I mean, yeah, I don't know what's going

00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.340
to happen with that fight, but I'll tell you

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:30.010
this, it doesn't end good for Spence. That's

00:55:30.010 --> 00:55:31.309
probably the worst person you could put him with

00:55:31.309 --> 00:55:35.590
in that division. Especially for your first comeback

00:55:35.590 --> 00:55:38.230
fight in how many years? Two years? Two and a

00:55:38.230 --> 00:55:45.409
half? Come on, that's ridiculous. Yeah, about

00:55:45.409 --> 00:55:51.389
two years. On the nose, almost. A little over

00:55:51.389 --> 00:55:55.090
two years, yeah. He last fought in July of 2023.

00:55:55.469 --> 00:55:59.369
He's fighting in October this year. No tune -ups

00:55:59.369 --> 00:56:01.010
for Spence? I know he's always been about no

00:56:01.010 --> 00:56:03.190
tune -ups, but come on. There's a tune -up you

00:56:03.190 --> 00:56:06.769
need to order now. Especially with how long he's

00:56:06.769 --> 00:56:09.909
been out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the way

00:56:09.909 --> 00:56:13.210
he got knocked out last time? Jesus Christ. To

00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:15.889
fight Sebastian Fundora, that's fucking ridiculous.

00:56:16.849 --> 00:56:19.650
That was like... Terrence Crawford tried to snipe

00:56:19.650 --> 00:56:22.809
Mikey Garcia when Mikey Garcia had been out for

00:56:22.809 --> 00:56:26.409
like two years. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'll

00:56:26.409 --> 00:56:30.409
fight you on your get back. Dude, you just want

00:56:30.409 --> 00:56:36.250
to beat an undefeated fighter. A very solid,

00:56:36.369 --> 00:56:40.750
like, all -time in his own right type of fighter.

00:56:40.909 --> 00:56:45.610
Like, what the fuck? It's also kind of, like,

00:56:45.610 --> 00:56:47.929
ridiculous how they do this. If they do do it,

00:56:47.929 --> 00:56:51.469
if I could put Spence with Pandora, I mean, come

00:56:51.469 --> 00:56:54.530
on. It's the same thing with Pacquiao and Mario

00:56:54.530 --> 00:57:00.710
Barrios. Why have Spence skipped the line? I

00:57:00.710 --> 00:57:03.050
guarantee you that there's going to be some fuckery

00:57:03.050 --> 00:57:06.070
with those decisions, dude. Because Spence was

00:57:06.070 --> 00:57:08.829
an old pay -per -view star and he still might

00:57:08.829 --> 00:57:12.590
sell a little bit of pay -per -view. Enough to

00:57:12.590 --> 00:57:15.090
where PBC might just want to have some fuckery

00:57:15.090 --> 00:57:18.429
go on with those cards. How much of fuckery...

00:57:20.650 --> 00:57:26.530
Do you think there was for the Barrios and Pacquiao

00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:31.769
cards? Again, like we talked about this last

00:57:31.769 --> 00:57:34.130
time, I think there was a good amount of fuckery

00:57:34.130 --> 00:57:39.909
going on with those cards. I just wanted to reaffirm

00:57:39.909 --> 00:57:44.530
it. I feel like they could screw over Pandora

00:57:44.530 --> 00:57:48.489
if they wanted to. Because again, Pandora, as

00:57:48.489 --> 00:57:52.099
much as... Well, yeah, because, I mean, I don't

00:57:52.099 --> 00:57:57.139
know, dude. Like, Benz, even though he hasn't

00:57:57.139 --> 00:57:58.500
fought in a while, he's still kind of a name,

00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.440
you know? He should be. I still think he could

00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.980
sell pay -per -view. I mean, he's beloved by

00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:07.820
many in Texas, right? That's a Texas boy right

00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:12.340
there. For sure. But I don't know, you know?

00:58:14.019 --> 00:58:16.480
It really depends, because the PBC, they pick

00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.179
and choose when they want to rob certain fighters.

00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.380
Guaranteed. Guaranteed. If Spence put up a decent

00:58:24.380 --> 00:58:26.579
performance against Crawford and went to decision,

00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:28.420
they probably would have robbed Terrence Crawford.

00:58:29.260 --> 00:58:32.739
Guaranteed. But that didn't happen, of course.

00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.840
Fortunate that Terrence Crawford didn't leave

00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:41.380
it up to the fucking judges. Oh, yeah. Unfortunate

00:58:41.380 --> 00:58:44.360
it happened the way it did. Unfortunate for me,

00:58:44.539 --> 00:58:49.480
because I was on fucking Team Spence. Oh, yeah.

00:58:50.059 --> 00:58:56.980
You could check the records in Discord. I always

00:58:56.980 --> 00:59:00.659
participate. I was mad team spent. I've been

00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:03.480
a Crawford hater day one pretty much. Damn, dude.

00:59:03.500 --> 00:59:07.579
I could tell. I could tell. So, yeah, you can

00:59:07.579 --> 00:59:10.880
check in the Hall of Fame on Discord, and you

00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.280
can see. You can scroll up, and you'll see who

00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:18.900
was on team what. Josh, how are you going to

00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:21.820
feel when Crawford beats Canelo? It's not happening.

00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:28.260
Oh, my God. I think I'm pivoting the Canelo hating

00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:31.699
full -time. If Canelo fucking chokes this fight.

00:59:34.059 --> 00:59:35.760
So this time around, you'll actually be rooting

00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:41.300
for Canelo? Yeah. That's crazy. Why do you hate

00:59:41.300 --> 00:59:44.239
Crawford so much? I'm curious. What's the little

00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:47.659
reason behind that? I just don't. Listen, I was

00:59:47.659 --> 00:59:51.679
somewhat alright with Crawford and then he re

00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.019
-signed with Top Rank. That Top Rank extension

00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:58.400
to fight fucking Amir Khan and Kell Brook while

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.559
complaining about getting criticized for his

01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:07.519
opposition was like, what are you doing? An extension

01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.860
with Top Rank after alleging them of racism against

01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:16.380
you? extension was like that extension room for

01:00:16.380 --> 01:00:19.920
me like dude i was like like yeah yeah okay okay

01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:24.500
okay his 140 his fucking nikki mouse 140 run

01:00:24.500 --> 01:00:26.960
whatever right you can only fight the champions

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.940
of your time whatever yeah you show up to welterweight

01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:32.760
you fight jeff horn and you fight jose benavidez

01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.820
jr both of them fucking suck whatever okay what

01:00:36.820 --> 01:00:39.469
do you do next your contract's up You're alleging

01:00:39.469 --> 01:00:42.809
that Top Rank is racist towards you. All of Welterweight

01:00:42.809 --> 01:00:45.409
is at PBC. I'm going to sign an extension with

01:00:45.409 --> 01:00:47.929
Top Rank and fight fucking Mean Machine and Kell

01:00:47.929 --> 01:00:52.889
Brook. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. And continue to

01:00:52.889 --> 01:00:56.190
complain the whole time and then only fight Errol

01:00:56.190 --> 01:00:58.750
Spence after he's been in a fucking car accident

01:00:58.750 --> 01:01:05.570
and destroyed his eyeballs. Yeah. Well, let him

01:01:05.570 --> 01:01:09.719
cook. Let him fucking cook. Like, imagine the

01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.960
fucking Errol Spence fight happening in 2019.

01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.980
You know what? That's a different Errol Spence.

01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:18.340
That's a different Errol Spence. And you know

01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:21.059
what? Crawford can still most likely pull it

01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:26.400
out. But it's not like Crawford's still like,

01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.599
no one gives you respect. Yeah, because you fought

01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:37.389
one guy your entire career. Yeah, yeah. Like

01:01:37.389 --> 01:01:42.369
Gamboa, okay. His first real fight was against

01:01:42.369 --> 01:01:47.650
Gamboa. Obviously probably his best win. Which

01:01:47.650 --> 01:01:50.869
like, okay. That's still like his best win. Because

01:01:50.869 --> 01:01:53.809
like Sean Porter came out of retirement to fight

01:01:53.809 --> 01:02:01.929
him. And was up before the 10th round. Alright.

01:02:03.579 --> 01:02:06.280
We're gonna... Errol Spence. Errol Spence. You

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.559
can argue he's lost, but whatever. Whatever.

01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:13.980
Second good win. Madrimov. Like, Madrimov ages

01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:20.039
worse as we speak. I mean... And then, like...

01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:25.099
I would say, hey, Spence, you got into a car

01:02:25.099 --> 01:02:29.070
accident and you beat Ugas, so... I mean, come

01:02:29.070 --> 01:02:33.329
on. The same Ugas who got his ass beat by Barrios?

01:02:33.449 --> 01:02:38.570
Please. Yeah. Please. And, like, a Danny Garcia

01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:40.989
who clocked in the work and clocked out? Like,

01:02:41.030 --> 01:02:45.630
I'd do it a fucking line cook to shift. Okay.

01:02:46.309 --> 01:02:49.230
Like, I can't get behind Crawford just because,

01:02:49.349 --> 01:02:52.449
like, the talent is obviously there. Why the

01:02:52.449 --> 01:02:56.829
fuck did you extend with top rank? Imagine if

01:02:56.829 --> 01:03:00.289
you didn't go to PBC. You wasted four years doing

01:03:00.289 --> 01:03:03.809
nothing. With the PBC, that would have been a

01:03:03.809 --> 01:03:07.869
legendary move. Yeah, because you take down Spence,

01:03:07.889 --> 01:03:10.690
you take down a better order, you probably take

01:03:10.690 --> 01:03:13.429
down Thurman, Pat, like, again, you just run

01:03:13.429 --> 01:03:14.949
through the division if you're actually that

01:03:14.949 --> 01:03:20.250
good. Yeah. Because they had all the guys. They

01:03:20.250 --> 01:03:23.090
had all the fights. All the fights. And he chose

01:03:23.090 --> 01:03:28.070
to re -sign with fucking Top Rank. Yeah. God,

01:03:28.090 --> 01:03:31.369
that shit makes me so fucking upset. And that's

01:03:31.369 --> 01:03:35.730
why I can never be behind Crawford, because literally,

01:03:35.949 --> 01:03:38.789
like, just that extension with Top Rank, who,

01:03:38.849 --> 01:03:41.769
when the extension happened, again, he was alleging

01:03:41.769 --> 01:03:45.550
that they were discriminating against him. Isn't

01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:49.670
it 2018, right? Yeah. This shit was already happening.

01:03:49.750 --> 01:03:52.769
He still signs the extension and fucks up the

01:03:52.769 --> 01:03:55.349
entire division. Like, the division is, like...

01:03:55.500 --> 01:04:00.420
Literally still in hell because you didn't fight

01:04:00.420 --> 01:04:03.579
anyone when they were in their primes. You fucked

01:04:03.579 --> 01:04:06.719
the division up and then left. And now, like,

01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.260
and you've denied Boots, who was the rightful

01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:13.880
challenger to the titles, a chance. So now the

01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:15.719
whole, like, you're stuck with fucking Devin

01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:20.980
Haney, Roley, Brian Norman as champs. Yeah, I

01:04:20.980 --> 01:04:24.530
mean, I see what you're saying. You ruined an

01:04:24.530 --> 01:04:28.530
entire Glamour division for no reason other than

01:04:28.530 --> 01:04:32.369
Bob Arum jingled some keys in front of your fucking

01:04:32.369 --> 01:04:36.789
face. I will say that probably at the time when

01:04:36.789 --> 01:04:39.150
you re -signed, was this before or after Manny

01:04:39.150 --> 01:04:43.150
Pacquiao fought Jeff Horn? This was after, because

01:04:43.150 --> 01:04:47.750
he beat Jeff Horn for the title. Yeah. Yeah,

01:04:47.750 --> 01:04:52.289
so... So Pacquiao had jumped ship. Oh, yeah.

01:04:52.349 --> 01:04:55.650
So, yeah, Pacquiao went to BBC, too. Yeah, that's

01:04:55.650 --> 01:04:58.170
what I mean. He could have had Pacquiao, Prime

01:04:58.170 --> 01:05:04.170
Porter, Prime Spence, Boots, Thurman, Danny and

01:05:04.170 --> 01:05:07.849
Mikey Garcia. That's seven guys who were all,

01:05:07.949 --> 01:05:11.190
like, top ten at that time. I would have been

01:05:11.190 --> 01:05:14.639
a pay -per -view star at that point. Yeah. And

01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.800
then he would have been able to move up to the

01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.400
current strong 154. And instead of fighting Madrimov

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.739
for an interim title or whatever, he would have

01:05:23.739 --> 01:05:25.900
moved up straight to fight a guy like Fundora.

01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:31.480
Charlo. Charlo. Like, that's what I mean. Tim

01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:38.460
Zhu. At the time of 154 in 2022. And by that

01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:41.400
point, we're here. We're here now at that point

01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.559
with like the 8 to 10 fights. So he's fighting

01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:47.900
Virgil, he's fighting Canelo, except now he's

01:05:47.900 --> 01:05:51.679
probably the A -side against Canelo. No, I think

01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:55.420
Canelo's still the A -side. That's a big step

01:05:55.420 --> 01:06:00.039
to take there. Yeah. Think of the stardom of

01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.219
Canelo spends those years going on a Euro tour

01:06:04.219 --> 01:06:10.500
with DAZN. Basically, his profile starts getting

01:06:10.500 --> 01:06:12.980
smaller and smaller going on that Euro Tour at

01:06:12.980 --> 01:06:15.659
168 and he's fighting Berlangas and stuff after

01:06:15.659 --> 01:06:19.099
plans. Compare the Crawford in this timeline

01:06:19.099 --> 01:06:22.500
who has been on pay -per -view for the past five

01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:25.260
years beating all the next biggest stars in the

01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:30.679
sport. Back to back to back to back. Am I wrong?

01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:34.159
It's like, we still get the Canelo fight at 168,

01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:36.800
but Crawford is, like, this is a super fight

01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.780
instead of a... How the fuck is he doing this?

01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:47.360
Fight. Yeah, but it's like... No, but I'm saying

01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.239
in terms of, like, a super, super fight in terms

01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.840
of earnings potential and eyes on it. And Crawford,

01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.929
instead of, like... This guy's, instead of you

01:06:56.929 --> 01:06:58.849
look at it and you're like, this guy's best win

01:06:58.849 --> 01:07:03.889
is still probably Yuryokis Gamboa. And he's fighting

01:07:03.889 --> 01:07:06.550
Canelo while Canelo continues to hold up an entire

01:07:06.550 --> 01:07:11.610
weight class. I see what you're saying. Like,

01:07:11.610 --> 01:07:14.230
two weight classes are being held up for this

01:07:14.230 --> 01:07:18.909
fight. Well, at this point, it's kind of mainly

01:07:18.909 --> 01:07:20.989
one, just because of Canelo. Canelo's been holding

01:07:20.989 --> 01:07:26.179
the division positive for years. Like, 154 is

01:07:26.179 --> 01:07:29.300
also, like, his guys, like, again, Crawford has

01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:31.960
just attained enough of a profile for it to,

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.239
like, he's a meal ticket for some of the guys.

01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:41.019
Yeah, for sure. But that's just, like, if he

01:07:41.019 --> 01:07:43.219
doesn't sign the extension with top rank, a lot

01:07:43.219 --> 01:07:47.519
of things are a lot better. Yeah, no, you're

01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:51.920
right. Like, odds are Showtime's probably still

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.380
in boxing. But the amount of pay -per -views

01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:57.440
you do at welterweight. So you're saying that

01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.360
Crawford killed boxing, huh? Crawford allowed

01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.719
the Saudi invasion. What are you saying? He's

01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.739
the catalyst. Yes, you know what? That extension

01:08:06.739 --> 01:08:09.719
with top rank ruined like three fucking weight

01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.019
classes. I'm sure there's a separate for this

01:08:12.019 --> 01:08:15.739
where you could do like the follow -on results

01:08:15.739 --> 01:08:21.359
of... What? Fuck, man. This shit kills me. Literally,

01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.720
you can point at that extension and how many

01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.159
things went wrong since the extension. You're

01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:32.279
kind of right. Three weight classes. I do not

01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:38.060
disagree. I can't disagree. That was pretty good.

01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:44.760
That was very well laid out. Alright, let me...

01:08:48.309 --> 01:08:51.909
There, I've changed the outline. Yeah, so we

01:08:51.909 --> 01:08:57.390
finished up with what was 154, like who will

01:08:57.390 --> 01:09:02.050
be champ, and then we descended into a fuck Bud

01:09:02.050 --> 01:09:07.449
Crawford. Well, he said that. It's so deserved.

01:09:08.229 --> 01:09:12.850
Just objectively look at how the timeline laid

01:09:12.850 --> 01:09:17.390
itself out. No, yeah, that's valid. I can't even

01:09:17.390 --> 01:09:21.569
agree. I'm not even saying opinions because it's

01:09:21.569 --> 01:09:23.869
like, okay, which version of Spence is better?

01:09:24.189 --> 01:09:28.829
2019 Spence or Spence after a car accident and

01:09:28.829 --> 01:09:31.750
one of his eyes falling out? Well, Spence got

01:09:31.750 --> 01:09:33.369
in his first car accident after Porter, right?

01:09:33.529 --> 01:09:37.090
Like a week after Porter. Yeah, because he fought

01:09:37.090 --> 01:09:44.069
Porter after the extension happened. So, I mean,

01:09:44.170 --> 01:09:46.149
either way, he probably was going to still fight

01:09:46.149 --> 01:09:49.670
a weak Spence. No, but the thing is that the

01:09:49.670 --> 01:09:55.409
way it happened was he signed to fight Porter

01:09:55.409 --> 01:10:01.010
after Crawford signed the extension. Yeah. So

01:10:01.010 --> 01:10:03.770
we get the best version of Spence with the best

01:10:03.770 --> 01:10:07.310
version of Crawford. Yeah. Instead of five years

01:10:07.310 --> 01:10:09.989
later and like six injuries and Spence has fought

01:10:09.989 --> 01:10:13.380
all killers. And Crawford has basically been

01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:16.279
on cruise control fighting washed -up Eurofighters.

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.840
Yeah, you're right, man. Like, it's just the...

01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.340
Like, it's not... Like, yeah, it's an opinion

01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:28.000
that I hate about Crawford, but it's also, like...

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.399
How do you not hate him? When you look at it,

01:10:31.539 --> 01:10:34.880
like... Objectively wrong. When you look at what

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.020
he's done, like, for a fighter that good... To

01:10:38.020 --> 01:10:40.220
piss on that many careers and that many weight

01:10:40.220 --> 01:10:43.479
classes is ridiculous. Sport itself, too. Yeah.

01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.640
Like, if you like this sport, Crawford is one

01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:49.939
of those guys that, like, you really have to

01:10:49.939 --> 01:10:54.560
hate just because, like, there's, like, yeah,

01:10:54.659 --> 01:11:00.239
he's good. But the amount of time wasting, like,

01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:02.640
if you don't, if you like, if you like, if you

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.359
hate Tyson Fury, but you like Crawford, like,

01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:08.579
they're basically the same. in how they hold

01:11:08.579 --> 01:11:12.079
the weight class hostage until everyone bends

01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:18.960
to them and their wills yeah i will be uh hold

01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.859
on a second let me let me do this i'm gonna figure

01:11:23.859 --> 01:11:28.930
out a way to cut that ahead of What I would hope

01:11:28.930 --> 01:11:31.430
would be your parting words. Like, how do we

01:11:31.430 --> 01:11:34.569
leave this? You're right. I went on another rant.

01:11:35.090 --> 01:11:39.909
No, I know. That's very neat. Yeah. I do know

01:11:39.909 --> 01:11:42.850
that. Should we talk about the Oliac this time

01:11:42.850 --> 01:11:45.710
or no? No, we can save that for next time. Because

01:11:45.710 --> 01:11:49.789
the thing is that the recap for this one is going

01:11:49.789 --> 01:11:54.140
to be dead too. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. We're

01:11:54.140 --> 01:11:56.579
going to have an empty recap segment so we can

01:11:56.579 --> 01:12:01.960
save it. Okay, I'll see you next time. Yep. Alright,

01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:08.060
so... No! You don't get parting words. You already

01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:12.819
gave them. No, don't get me started again. It

01:12:12.819 --> 01:12:17.359
will happen. That's it for this edition of The

01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.560
Boxing B -Sides. We will see you on the other

01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:20.960
side.