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This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing

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Before Dark. All right. Are we ready to boogie?

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Absolutely. We've been boogieing. We've been

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boogieing already. Boxing Before Dark. Holy shit,

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we're back. Did you think we left? No, we're

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just on a little break. A little hiatus. Leo

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lives in a third world state, so we missed a

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week. It was this weird situation with internet.

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It was really nerdy. We don't really have to

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get into that. But we're joined by somebody new.

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My man, Jacob. Welcome. Hello, hello. I'm very

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happy to be here. I've been listening since I

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found out about you guys. And obviously I've

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been on the Discord as well, making myself known.

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So yeah, pretty keen to get amongst it and just

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chat boxing for a few hours on the weekend. Absolutely.

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I'm super excited. We have insider knowledge

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with a real boxer. Good insight. I'd limit how

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much I'd call myself a monster because I haven't

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fought yet, but at least I've been on the unfortunate

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end of a few pretty rough punches in my time,

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so I've been hit by what I'm seeing. Well, let's

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get into... Since we've been away for a little

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bit, let's get into some... Let's reach a little

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bit way back. A little into the way back machine.

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And we're going to go back to July 19th because

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this was a busy day and we fucking missed it

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because of technical difficulties. It's no fun.

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Let's start with Matchroom at the Star at the

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Frisco. The Dallas Cowboys training arena, I

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think it is. Yeah, that's a crazy location. Yeah,

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definitely. Some... Stuff coming up from the

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bottom here. Nishant Dev gets a stoppage in six

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over Omar Rosales. If you're not paying attention

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to Nishant, don't worry, because I will. I like

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him. He's got it. He's pretty good. Yeah, he's

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pretty damn good for coming out of the 80s. Yeah,

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well, that's the thing. Watching him in the Olympics

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and how his movement is as well was something

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really impressive. It'll be interesting to see

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how much his... He's getting stoppages, but I

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don't know how much his actual power itself is

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going to hold up at different stages. But in

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terms of skill level, he looks absolutely brilliant.

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Yeah. He's translating a lot better than people

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expected him to early on. Because we see a lot

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of guys do pretty well in the amateurs, and no

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one really knows how much it's going to translate

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to the pros. But like I say, he's looking pretty

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good, man. I see why you're paying attention.

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We all should. I think since they switched to

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the 10 -point must system for scoring, that's

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when... It helps the amateurs. It helps the amateurs

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transition a lot better. Like Andy Cruz looks

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fantastic. Yeah. It's really hard to score 10

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-point musts sometimes. There legitimately are,

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for me, some 10 -10 rounds. They're super rare.

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But if you have to pick somebody, it really changes

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your scorecard. It really does. Especially because

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a lot of it depends on what a judge values as

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well. Because people can see the exact same round,

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right? And they can watch it. They can watch

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it 10 times over. They can see the exact same

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things. But based on their understanding of the

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sport, they'll value things completely differently.

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I guarantee me and you would have different scorecards.

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Yeah, I mean, we probably would. And, you know,

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my scorecard compared to a lot of my mates at

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the gym and all that would be completely different

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because, you know, if you're someone who values

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high -level pressure fighting, you know, you're

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probably looking at someone like, you know, we're

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just going to assume that it's not this exact

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fight. But just as an example, you know, you

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look at Thorne versus Pacquiao where one of them's

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landing much cleaner punches than much more of

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them and one of them's just... pushing up, being

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aggressive, getting in their face way more. For

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some guys, they value the latter. Some guys value

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the former. And it's a way to get these weird

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things to the scorecards. And I always think

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about it as well with a more high -level example,

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I suppose. Not that my goat, Jeff Bourne, is

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not high -level, but if you look at Conor Whittaker,

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Conor Whittaker versus Oscar De La Hoya, that's

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a pretty controversial fight amongst some people

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nowadays. Because they were both doing different

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things. You know, have some people say, oh, well,

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you know, Delaware couldn't land anything on

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Whitaker. But then you have other people that

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are like, oh, Whitaker wasn't hitting him back.

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He was making a miss for not countering. So why

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should he do it? You can't win on defense. You

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can't win a fight if you don't hit anybody. That's

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100 % it. And that's why I respect, you know,

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different takes on... you know, judging a scorecard

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because you really have no way to judge values.

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Some guys will look at ring journals, some guys

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will look at his landing. Some guys will look

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at who paid them the most. Yeah. Fucking Tim

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Cheatham. Yeah, oh, this is a crazy sport. It's

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the wildest out there. Yeah, it can really be

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anything. Let's move up. Omari Jones, who I believe

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was an Olympian for the U .S., gets a stoppage

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in three over Alfredo Blanco. No big deal. Also

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no big deal, Austin Williams. Boo this man. TKO9

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over who? Exactly. Has he gone back to his better

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nickname yet? I believe so. He's Ammo again.

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Ammo is so much cooler than Tiger Williams. Tiger

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Williams has been done to death. I think that

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goes hard. Tiger? So to me, Tiger Williams is

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always going to be an NHL player that 99 % of

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boxing fans have never heard of. Oh, yeah, it's

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true. I just thought it was like a phrase that

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sounded cool, to be honest. He had the most penalty

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minutes in a season for decades. So, anyways.

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Moving up. Unless you have anything to add on,

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Emma, do you want to dunk on him a little bit

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for being a little bit leaky? He is leaky. He's

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always been leaky. And everybody keeps telling

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us that, well, he'll tighten up when he has to.

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So I guess we need to see him against somebody

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he has to. Like, how old is Ammo? He must be

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getting to where they should step him up, right?

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He's 29. They need to start putting him against

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better competition. Well, when they did, he got

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knocked out. Yeah, well, then maybe he's just

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not so good. He's the only hope that we have.

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For middleweight here in the U .S., we don't

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have anybody. The U .S. copium is madness. Yeah,

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well, can't help it sometimes. Middleweight's

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a funny division because you look historically

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at some of the fighters that you've had in that

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division. It's usually been stacked, but you

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look at especially for America, it's in a straight

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place. Anyone who's any good moved up to chase

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Canelo money. I think is what it is right now.

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Sends Janabek. Yeah, well, Janabek knows he's

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not getting Canelo money because he's high risk,

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low reward. He's not cool enough. Yeah. You know

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who was cool? Diego Pacheco. Cool under pressure.

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Was he? Cool under fire. I'm really trying to

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glaze him here. I really like... Or I want Diego

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Pacheco to be really good. I do too. But... He

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looked nice. I thought he pitched a really mature

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game. Didn't succumb to a lot of McCombie's pressure.

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Which, if he was a little bit more raw, like

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he was a few fights ago, then it might not have

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gone as well for him. True. And maybe McCombie's

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a little better than he gets credit for. I think

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so. People are like, oh yeah, he had plant on

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the ropes, but plant's washed. And I don't know

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if plant's that washed. He's past his peak, but...

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Yeah. Crossing is a sport where people are quick

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to call someone washed. Super quick. Yeah, very,

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very quick. And I think it's because there's

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obviously that obsession with not losing a fight.

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But if you look at, you know, this, like, Plant,

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McCombie, Pacheco, if you look at all of this,

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Taylor Plant is still going to be a high -level

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fighter. Like, it's not as if he is at a point

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where George Cambosos might be, for example,

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where he's... From a business perspective, he

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is at the end of his run because he's racked

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up that amount of losses. And I look at his and

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how he went against McCombie. He still got the

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job done. But I think if you're looking at the

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actual boxing that's going on there, I think

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they both made some pretty good account of themselves.

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I think McCombie impressed me a lot more than

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I expected. And that's why I do give Pacheco

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credit because he did go out there and do what

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he did. I think, yeah, McCombie, I think he's

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at a higher level than people tend to give him

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credit for. I think that's a better win for any

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boxer. Not just because of, you know, how much

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I love Cato Plant. You know, he's one of my favorite

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boxers. But also because if you look at Pacheco

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and the way that he handled that fight, like

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you said, he pitched an incredibly mature game.

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Like, he came in with the game plan that he needed

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to. He used all of his attributes properly. And

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especially because McCombie's a tricky guy at

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times. You gotta be a certain type of good to

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be able to put enough of a pressure game on against

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Caleb Plant. Because he can move. Because Caleb

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can really move. So if you are able to do that

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to him, and then Checo has that thought of a

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fight against Kambi, I just think that's past

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marks all around me, personally. I don't know,

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I'm probably not being too critical enough for

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it. from podcasts but i just do think that there's

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path marks all around they all handed that really

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well well mccombie clearly has power and that's

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something that i don't think pacheco's had to

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deal with before maybe i'm misremembering some

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of pacheco's fights but none of the guys on his

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box rec really stand out as being oh shit he

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can punch and people can say anything else but

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mccombie buzzed Plant a few times. Like, McCombie

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hurt him. Plant, the guys that have hurt Plant

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historically, like, you look at some of his fights

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and the level of his years, Canelo obviously

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being, like, he worked it, man, especially once

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he just figured out his rhythm and everything.

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But, McCombie sticks out like a thorn a lot more

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because a lot of the other guys he's beat, you

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know, for his world titles, like, he was... in

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my opinion you know i was watching some of this

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advice again last night he was just cruising

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you know like caleb was just they couldn't get

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it um but he has a lot of names that are kind

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of garbage like who is caleb trow true i don't

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i don't even know how you say that now yeah oh

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that guy or like vincent felgenbutts or mike

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lee or jose like Leo, you're the name guy. I

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have no idea how you read these things. Boxing

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is broad, man. I mean, that's the thing with

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the way the belts work in interim belt. There's

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so many different belts, man, that by the time

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that you get to tracking who all the champions

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are, there's just so many of them. Oh, okay.

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This is a complete derailment. To settle a Discord

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argument. Leo, who has the global belts? WBL.

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Global? Okay, thank you. Fuck, I couldn't find

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it earlier today and people are like, no, global

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is the world titles. No. No. WBL global. Yeah,

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okay. Straight up global. Damn all. I added you

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in the Discord and you didn't answer. Sorry.

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Oh, no. Absolutely derailed me. That's good.

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Moving up to Bam stopping Pumelala Kafu. Bam's

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still not getting his flowers, and it makes me

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sad. I think because Kafu was really tentative

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and really timid, rather. But Kafu's a counterpuncher.

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I don't think it was a terrible game plan, but

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it looked bad. If that makes sense. Yeah. So

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Bam has better movement. So Cafu tried to completely

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negate the movement by just camping in the corners.

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Cafu was looking for a Gabe Rosado type knockout.

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Like, Rosado against Beck is what he was going

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for eventually. And it didn't work. And I was

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a little disappointed. I did think this would

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be a more exciting fight. I was expecting more

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fireworks. Yeah, Cafu is still a really good

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boxer. And at the very least, Bam had him scared

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enough. He felt he couldn't box in the middle

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of the ring. I think this is a good win for Bam.

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And I think nobody's going to recognize it because

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they don't know who the fuck Cafu is. It's the

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problem that everyone at the lower weight classes

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has. I like the win. I think it's good. But Bam...

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Yeah, it's a good win. I reserve this term for

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a very select few. I try to keep the sanctity

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of it a little bit, but Bam is something special.

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Yeah. That guy is special. But that's a problem

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in itself for boxers. When you make everything

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look easy, everyone assumes your competition

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is bad. Bam is suffering from success just like

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Inoue did at like 118, 122. Inoue still does.

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Inoue still does. I think he does. I think in

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the eyes of a lot of people. Because you see

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it a lot of the time with people talking about

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pound -for -pound rankings. And getting involved

00:15:54.179 --> 00:15:56.159
in pound -for -pound conversations, I hate that

00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.629
so much just because I think... It's so hard

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to actually... There's such a fun talking point,

00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:07.429
but I wouldn't... It is. But people also fucking

00:16:07.429 --> 00:16:11.490
never watch the lower weight classes. So when

00:16:11.490 --> 00:16:15.509
I throw out a name like... Well, Bam's famous

00:16:15.509 --> 00:16:18.090
now. But when I throw out a name like Kalazo,

00:16:18.350 --> 00:16:21.029
people are like, who the fuck's that? Who's he

00:16:21.029 --> 00:16:23.029
beating? And I'm like, he's beating a bunch of

00:16:23.029 --> 00:16:25.110
really good guys you've never fucking heard of.

00:16:25.669 --> 00:16:30.379
Yeah. Just because I'm a degen for the midgets

00:16:30.379 --> 00:16:33.340
doesn't mean that they're not good. It just means

00:16:33.340 --> 00:16:36.460
you don't know who I'm talking about. I get called

00:16:36.460 --> 00:16:39.299
out at bars constantly and they're like, name

00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:44.679
five boxers. And I name people in 105, 108. And

00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:46.320
they're like, I've never heard of any of them.

00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:50.879
And I'm like, fucking Google it. If you can spell

00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:56.129
that random ass Thai name. Yeah, well. I skipped

00:16:56.129 --> 00:16:58.629
the TIE fighters because I can't spell them either.

00:16:58.929 --> 00:17:02.250
I can't spell them. I actually got into both

00:17:02.250 --> 00:17:05.890
when you were doing Muay Thai. Oh, so this shouldn't

00:17:05.890 --> 00:17:08.970
be too difficult for you. Oh, no, it's very difficult.

00:17:09.289 --> 00:17:14.390
Do you watch the one Friday night fights? It's

00:17:14.390 --> 00:17:17.869
my new favorite thing. Me and Zoe watch them

00:17:17.869 --> 00:17:20.569
and hang out on the Discord. It's super fun.

00:17:21.349 --> 00:17:23.190
I don't know if it was his Friday Night Fights,

00:17:23.210 --> 00:17:25.970
but my guy Tyson Harrison, he's from my gym.

00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:29.210
He just recently won his fight in one championship.

00:17:29.609 --> 00:17:30.930
I didn't want to talk about that for a second.

00:17:31.650 --> 00:17:33.470
Very proud of him, obviously. He came out of

00:17:33.470 --> 00:17:36.450
our gym in Brisbane, Tyson Harrison. And, yeah,

00:17:36.470 --> 00:17:38.029
he fights on one championship. So I absolutely

00:17:38.029 --> 00:17:39.869
love watching, you know, and obviously the higher

00:17:39.869 --> 00:17:42.710
level guys as well, like, you know, Bob Tang,

00:17:42.990 --> 00:17:45.309
Taiwan Chi. I love watching them train as well.

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Nice. Still, let's do another game. Oh, I have

00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.000
to be, man. It's just too common. That's how

00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.759
I got started with. And there's many such cases

00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.819
like that, too. Like, I think it was Chris Coates.

00:17:57.859 --> 00:18:00.019
Henshin Nasatawa. He was a kickboxer, wasn't

00:18:00.019 --> 00:18:03.880
he? Ah, fuck. Yeah. He was. He was. Kickboxing,

00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.000
not Muay Thai. Yeah, kickboxing. I always love

00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.000
bringing that up because it's so funny seeing

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the different idiosyncrasies with them, too.

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Because a lot of times, like, for example, when

00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:16.410
I was sparring this morning, those usual Saturday

00:18:16.410 --> 00:18:18.490
sparring sessions, there's a lot of Muay Thai

00:18:18.490 --> 00:18:20.089
fighters that come there to work on their boxing,

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and you can tell because they've got such a distinct

00:18:21.670 --> 00:18:27.230
guard. Yeah, well, and the stances are very different.

00:18:28.089 --> 00:18:32.170
Yeah. Like, the footwork is different. So different.

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I think that's what I actually, that was my biggest

00:18:34.849 --> 00:18:39.089
struggle as a boxer early on. Changing your feet?

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Yeah, no, because I was... You know, I was always

00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.200
trying to think of, oh, I've got to check a kick.

00:18:45.339 --> 00:18:47.400
But, you know, in boxing, no one's kicking me,

00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:55.099
I hope. Except Nick Ball. Someone will do it.

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Which fight was that, Leo? The Goodman fight?

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Which? Nick Ball. With the kick. He kicked someone?

00:19:08.859 --> 00:19:13.839
Yeah, it was Sam Goodman, right? I think you're

00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:20.880
right. I just want to say the facts that when

00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.740
they released the starring videos, right? My

00:19:23.740 --> 00:19:27.460
guy was he had. Oh, no, it's TJ Doheny. I had

00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:31.119
the wrong in a way opponent. Nick Ball kicked

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TJ Doheny. Oh, I remember watching that fight.

00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.329
Doheny is such a weird fighter, bro. weird to

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watch he's got like this weird rhythm adjustment

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it's fun to watch but i get why in a way it takes

00:19:45.230 --> 00:19:51.869
him off the way he did well anything more for

00:19:51.869 --> 00:19:58.869
bam no i've been so good yeah one of my favorites

00:19:58.869 --> 00:20:02.349
right now Yeah, and that's the thing. Seeing

00:20:02.349 --> 00:20:04.789
a guy that fights with that high guard and a

00:20:04.789 --> 00:20:07.089
low weight division as well is the absolute best

00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:08.970
thing in the world because those guys are so

00:20:08.970 --> 00:20:13.170
fast and twitchy. So, you know, one moment they

00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:14.849
throw something and the next they've already

00:20:14.849 --> 00:20:17.829
popped back into guard and it's just like, bang,

00:20:17.990 --> 00:20:22.190
they're already gone. That's crazy. Those guys

00:20:22.190 --> 00:20:24.390
just move so well. I wish I could move like that.

00:20:25.069 --> 00:20:27.829
I'm unfortunately a bit heavier than that, a

00:20:27.829 --> 00:20:31.539
bit taller. I can't model my fight offense too

00:20:31.539 --> 00:20:37.559
much. All right, let's move up. Fucking... PBC

00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.640
on Prime. Just some quick ones. Stop me if you

00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:47.420
need to. Gary Allen Russell stops Hugo Castaneda

00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:52.640
in 10. Mark Bexayo still doing it. UD over Jorge

00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.529
Mata. I wanna... Just a little bit. What the

00:20:57.529 --> 00:20:59.690
fuck happened to Mark Magzayo? Because I was

00:20:59.690 --> 00:21:02.869
excited about him. And then he just disappeared

00:21:02.869 --> 00:21:06.549
for fucking ever. And this is basically being

00:21:06.549 --> 00:21:10.430
disappeared. I mean, he's under undercard on...

00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:15.529
Yeah, it's all the prelims. Yeah. Like, he's

00:21:15.529 --> 00:21:19.210
not that bad. I don't understand why he got delegated

00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:24.210
to bullshit. Or is he bad and I just like him?

00:21:25.900 --> 00:21:32.200
He's not terrible. Maybe it's just... Maybe it's

00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:39.299
just me and my, like, Filipino bias, but I like

00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:44.180
Mark Magzayo. Well, and he trains with Freddie

00:21:44.180 --> 00:21:48.160
Roach, which I also have a bias for, so... Definitely

00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.680
so. Anyways, that's all I wanted to bring up.

00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:56.769
What the fuck happened to Mark Magzayo? Good

00:21:56.769 --> 00:22:01.789
question. We'll have to see if he has any fights

00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:03.849
coming up. Because usually, sometimes if guys

00:22:03.849 --> 00:22:06.289
don't have much wind, as long as they keep fighting,

00:22:06.410 --> 00:22:08.069
they can change promotions and they kind of pop

00:22:08.069 --> 00:22:13.369
back up sometimes. I mean, look, some of these

00:22:13.369 --> 00:22:16.049
people are still fighting. So there's definitely

00:22:16.049 --> 00:22:21.829
a chance. After the loss of Brandon Figueroa,

00:22:21.910 --> 00:22:27.690
he kind of went... back down to the regional

00:22:27.690 --> 00:22:31.170
scene, kind of. And he was fighting on the Thunder

00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:37.269
Studios cards. Marv Nation. I guess he did have

00:22:37.269 --> 00:22:40.349
two losses in a row, but I just don't think he's

00:22:40.349 --> 00:22:43.710
that bad that that should delegate him to garbage.

00:22:44.589 --> 00:22:47.190
Losses are to Ray Vargas, say what you will,

00:22:47.349 --> 00:22:52.210
but he's still pretty decent. And Brandon Figueroa

00:22:52.210 --> 00:23:00.390
is good. Or is he? No, he's world class. Like,

00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:05.509
even if, for example, obviously, he's not fighting

00:23:05.509 --> 00:23:08.650
at a world championship level at the moment.

00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:10.789
But even just being in the mix with some of those

00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:13.309
guys, if you lose to someone like that, that

00:23:13.309 --> 00:23:16.430
kind of does put a bit of a buffer. Because,

00:23:16.589 --> 00:23:19.150
I mean, put it this way, right? Like, imagine

00:23:19.150 --> 00:23:23.160
that you're losing to someone who isn't. fully

00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.119
at that championship level and you're trying

00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.140
to convince a promoter that you'll be at that

00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:30.200
championship level if your loss is to someone

00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.759
who wasn't fully there I guess yeah that's that's

00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.380
usually what it is because I think about it because

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:39.240
there's some you know some guys that they're

00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.819
just like so close but no cigar against some

00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:45.279
genuinely you know top level opponents maybe

00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.420
it's just a style matchup or whatever but they've

00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:49.359
still got the skill like you know you mentioned

00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.089
in this case but There's just so many times where

00:23:53.089 --> 00:23:55.869
because of that and having that loss, because

00:23:55.869 --> 00:24:00.029
it's such a record -sensitive sport. It is, and

00:24:00.029 --> 00:24:02.950
I hate that because it makes people not want

00:24:02.950 --> 00:24:07.750
to push themselves. Yeah, correct. It brings

00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:10.289
too much of a business sense looking for the

00:24:10.289 --> 00:24:12.930
O. And I don't think it's necessarily something

00:24:12.930 --> 00:24:16.490
that has to be in existence because you can see

00:24:16.490 --> 00:24:18.529
some fighters kind of coming away from that.

00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.819
The fact that Manny Pacquiao was back and got

00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:23.759
a world championship. Obviously, he's a special

00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.380
case because he's an all -time great. But the

00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:28.599
fact that he was even back. You look at his resume.

00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:32.680
He's had some losses. It was the generation that

00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.220
was there during Floyd. They had absolutely zero

00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:38.279
issue taking some losses. You can look at Delahoya.

00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.859
There's Hopkins. I've said this a million times.

00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:46.480
Floyd Mayweather Jr. fucked boxing. He was terrible

00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.500
for the sport of boxing. I don't even think it

00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:51.240
was his fault. I just think he was not good.

00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:54.640
Like, I think there was a point where a lot of...

00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:57.420
I think the way he promoted himself and the advice

00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:03.619
he gives younger fighters is his fault. I don't

00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:05.980
think it's his fault for being that good, but,

00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:08.519
like, we didn't see the same problem after Rocky

00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:14.160
Marciano. Right? Like, I think Floyd Mayweather...

00:25:14.430 --> 00:25:18.210
was enough of a media star and, like, an influence

00:25:18.210 --> 00:25:23.650
outside of the ring that he fucked it. But I

00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:27.170
also just don't like him, so. That's completely

00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:29.630
respectable, to be honest. I think he's an absolutely

00:25:29.630 --> 00:25:33.990
deplorable human being. Which shouldn't really

00:25:33.990 --> 00:25:38.789
have to mean much saying, but yeah. Yeah. Anyways.

00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:47.079
David Picasso. Majority decision over Kenosuke

00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:52.680
Kameda. Is this one of the Kameda clan? I'm not

00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.440
sure. I have to go look at his face. Oh my god,

00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:57.299
the Kamedas are crashing out. If we have time,

00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:04.000
we have to discuss it. Yes, please. I'm pretty

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.440
sure this is one of the Kamedas. He looks like

00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:13.789
one of the Kamedas. moving up brandon figueroa

00:26:13.789 --> 00:26:18.650
ud over joette gonzalez um so it's it's interesting

00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:21.349
no what number one that should not have been

00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:25.950
unanimous i would be okay with figueroa winning

00:26:25.950 --> 00:26:29.450
but some of those scorecards are fucked yeah

00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:33.150
that was a close fight yeah that's that's what

00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:36.470
i was gonna get at was like this is a this is

00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:38.509
a guy that's like tailor -made stylistically

00:26:38.509 --> 00:26:41.579
for someone like brandon figueroa To have a really

00:26:41.579 --> 00:26:45.940
emphatic win. To remind the viewing public. Like

00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:49.460
I'm still Brandon Figueroa. Despite Stephen Fulton

00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:53.680
kind of clowning on me a little bit. Which is

00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:58.140
clearly what they had planned. But. Joette Gonzalez.

00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.960
Did not come to lose. Joette Gonzalez did not

00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.359
get the script. I thought that was a super close

00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.980
fight. I always cheer for the underdog. So I

00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:13.519
thought. joette probably won by one round but

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.660
my scorecards are often fucked but it was not

00:27:17.660 --> 00:27:22.599
as wide as the official scorecards it just wasn't

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.720
like it had to be closer than that the the 15

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:35.069
115 113 of course is good but The one guy only

00:27:35.069 --> 00:27:39.829
gave Gonzalez the first four rounds and gave

00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:45.970
the last eight to Figueroa. That is not how that

00:27:45.970 --> 00:27:48.529
fight played out. That had to have been filled

00:27:48.529 --> 00:27:53.009
in ahead of time. That's not what that fight

00:27:53.009 --> 00:27:58.490
was. Everybody giving Figueroa the last four

00:27:58.490 --> 00:28:03.279
rounds is a little suspect to me. Like, that

00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.380
was clearly, okay, we can't, we can't, we can't.

00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.859
Okay, but everything close goes to the A -side.

00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.039
Or am I crazy and I was just cheering for Joette

00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.200
Gonzalez because I like him? You said one of

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:20.859
my trigger words. A -side. B's only, please.

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.440
But that's what happened in this fight. Like,

00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:31.799
maybe you could convince me. Maybe. But you have

00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:37.339
to be biased to make the convincing. To be honest,

00:28:37.460 --> 00:28:40.480
the way I see it, when it came back to that last

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.460
four rounds, I think they were just looking at

00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:45.079
who was imposing themselves. I don't know about

00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.759
the arrangement of the scorecards, but I do think

00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.759
there was that period in the middle of the fight

00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.259
where it looked like Pacheco was just fighting

00:28:54.259 --> 00:28:57.240
his fight. That's essentially the phrase. It

00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.170
was the guy who... looks like even if he wasn't

00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:04.309
landing every clean punch in the world, the way

00:29:04.309 --> 00:29:06.910
that he was dictating the tempo and whereabouts

00:29:06.910 --> 00:29:08.910
they were doing their boxing just looked like

00:29:08.910 --> 00:29:10.950
it was completely in Figueroa's control. And

00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:12.450
I think that's probably something they would

00:29:12.450 --> 00:29:16.289
have valued. Whether that means the scorecards

00:29:16.289 --> 00:29:18.289
ended up the way they were, I don't know. There's

00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.509
probably some reason the judges done that. But

00:29:21.509 --> 00:29:32.089
I think I understand why it ended up. But I also

00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:34.470
understand why the scorecards themselves are

00:29:34.470 --> 00:29:36.690
weird. Because I don't think it was massively

00:29:36.690 --> 00:29:39.329
wide. But at the same time, you know, this is

00:29:39.329 --> 00:29:41.569
a sport where you can have a really, really close

00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:44.869
fight and a really, really wide scorecard. It

00:29:44.869 --> 00:29:49.369
is. Because a wide scorecard doesn't mean that

00:29:49.369 --> 00:29:51.549
it wasn't a close fight. You know, and vice versa.

00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:58.910
My problem with this one is that It really feels

00:29:58.910 --> 00:30:04.049
like every close round on every scorecard went

00:30:04.049 --> 00:30:15.210
to the A side. And I like Figueroa. It's not

00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:17.910
that I'm against them, but they're so uniform.

00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:23.130
It's sketchy. It never has to be like or dislike

00:30:23.130 --> 00:30:24.890
of a fighter. Sometimes it's just the way the

00:30:24.890 --> 00:30:28.299
promotion is run or the way it seems. the way

00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:32.240
things just look like they're going but also

00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.920
joe gonzalez gets constantly that's what he's

00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.019
there for until he exists to be he he's there

00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:44.059
to get i understand that but he tries so hard

00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:47.880
and he does such a good job like he is one of

00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.519
those b -sides that will always be there until

00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.299
the end of the fight trying to win it And they

00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:57.180
fuck him every time. And I don't even just mean

00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.180
with losses. I just mean on the scorecard. Like,

00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:06.359
they don't appreciate him. Makes me sad. Fulton

00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.380
made a really good account of himself. Figueroa

00:31:08.380 --> 00:31:10.839
is tricky. Like, I think that's the thing. Boxing

00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.339
is very much a sport of levels because you look

00:31:13.339 --> 00:31:18.480
at, for example, Fulton, right? And how he looked

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.039
against Figueroa recently. Fulton looks incredible.

00:31:23.080 --> 00:31:25.400
Now, then you look at Folsom versus Inouye, and

00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.380
then you look at Figueroa versus Gonzalez, and

00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:29.940
you can see there's just so many different levels

00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:34.180
of play here, right? That's true. It just means

00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:35.960
it's a sport where you do get guys like Gonzalez,

00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.900
unfortunately, where they're good fighters. Watch

00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:44.099
them. They're good. But they do find themselves

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.940
being the B -side, because they're sort of like

00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:48.099
the B -side of the B -side, if that makes sense.

00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.740
Yeah, I know what you mean. gatekeepers, even

00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:55.559
if they're not as bad as most gatekeepers. That's

00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.819
the term. That's the term. You're gatekeeping

00:31:58.819 --> 00:32:02.880
elite instead of gatekeeping world level. Like,

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.059
those are kind of two different gatekeeps. And

00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:08.140
man, in a sport like this, if you're getting

00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:11.720
money for doing that, you're winning. It's a

00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:13.920
dangerous sport. You want to be compensated appropriately.

00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.980
Fair enough. But I still feel bad for Julek Gonzalez.

00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.519
Yeah, I don't blame you at all because you see

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.160
that, you know, he did what you want a fighter

00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.279
to do. He definitely gave every account of himself

00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.359
that he could. And especially Figueroa, you know,

00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.880
he's got the kind of style that makes it difficult

00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.980
to fight him. So you don't stick to going with

00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:40.380
that game plan towards being able to make it

00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:43.420
look like he had the sequences he did against

00:32:43.420 --> 00:32:46.819
Figueroa. He's a bit longer of a fighter from

00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.869
memory. yeah figueroa's got a bit of a fundora

00:32:51.869 --> 00:32:57.230
build not quite as bad but yeah the human pacheco

00:32:57.230 --> 00:33:00.049
is similar in that sense i think in terms of

00:33:00.049 --> 00:33:03.849
where they're really aggressive in fighters pressure

00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:07.069
fighters mostly and they're very long and they're

00:33:07.069 --> 00:33:10.710
such awkward opponents right and especially they're

00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:14.410
awkward for you know fewer boxes but they're

00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:16.089
even more awkward if you're a pressure fighter

00:33:16.089 --> 00:33:18.930
yourself because You see that long jab and you're

00:33:18.930 --> 00:33:20.710
trying to get away from it. And then instead

00:33:20.710 --> 00:33:23.009
of, you know, coming off the back foot or avoiding

00:33:23.009 --> 00:33:25.309
that, you've got this guy who just comes straight

00:33:25.309 --> 00:33:28.950
at you and you're still in combos. So that was

00:33:28.950 --> 00:33:30.789
an entertaining fight, I think, above everything

00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:33.769
else. Because they both wanted to bring that

00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:36.690
fight there. I thought Gonzalez was boxing really

00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:41.390
nicely a lot of the time. But, yeah. That leads

00:33:41.390 --> 00:33:45.250
nicely into the next fight, though. Because Fandora

00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:49.670
found a fucking jab. What is this? This is mythical

00:33:49.670 --> 00:33:54.470
status. I've been saying Fandora with a jab is

00:33:54.470 --> 00:33:58.369
mythical status. He might be unbeatable now.

00:33:58.529 --> 00:34:03.230
Him getting into Harvard has made Fandora unbeatable.

00:34:04.369 --> 00:34:08.110
That's such insane law as well. It really is.

00:34:08.309 --> 00:34:11.710
That's studying engineering. A six year engineering

00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:18.030
degree. Fucking Harvard. That's crazy. that actively

00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:22.309
churns your brain cells out. Like, that's so

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:26.050
awesome. And my favorite part is, like you said,

00:34:26.190 --> 00:34:27.989
Tondora, he was a completely different fighter

00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:31.849
there. I think there was so many talking points

00:34:31.849 --> 00:34:34.190
made in the media about what's him. This would

00:34:34.190 --> 00:34:35.909
be a different Tim because he wouldn't have the

00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:38.429
cut. I don't think people took into account that

00:34:38.429 --> 00:34:41.489
Tondora, like, he's been in the lab, man. Oh,

00:34:41.670 --> 00:34:45.809
I didn't expect this. I didn't expect Fundora

00:34:45.809 --> 00:34:48.949
to evolve like this. Like, this is Fundora making

00:34:48.949 --> 00:34:52.829
bigger changes than Fundora has ever made. Everybody

00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:55.469
always talks shit about Fundora not using his

00:34:55.469 --> 00:34:58.670
size, and he suddenly... I mean, it fell apart.

00:34:59.349 --> 00:35:02.670
Tim did pressure him enough that Fundora went

00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:09.070
to base. Back to monoloid system settings. Thank

00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:11.849
you. I don't know how to say it nicely, but like...

00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:15.690
He made Fundora forget that he's not stupid.

00:35:16.989 --> 00:35:20.530
Like, Fundora has been fighting stupid. He's

00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:23.269
been infighting as a fucking seven foot tall

00:35:23.269 --> 00:35:28.530
guy. Like, that's dumb. But, Tim made him forget

00:35:28.530 --> 00:35:31.550
that he had a jab. Tim made him forget that he

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:36.110
could keep him on the outside. I'll let Jacob

00:35:36.110 --> 00:35:38.969
give his thoughts on this one, but I think I

00:35:38.969 --> 00:35:41.349
might be right. I think Tim might just be...

00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:47.420
kind of mentally broken yeah i've had a few weeks

00:35:47.420 --> 00:35:52.460
of thinking about this one so because as a segue

00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:58.260
the first thing is that first and foremost fondora

00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:02.500
evolved a lot and the fondora that they had film

00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:04.860
on heading into that camp is not what they got

00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:09.659
on fight night so 100 i agree absolutely and

00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:12.650
that that is a massive credit to fondora because

00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:15.269
if you look at the greatest boxers of all time

00:36:15.269 --> 00:36:17.809
they have one thing in common and it's that they've

00:36:17.809 --> 00:36:21.869
got plan a b c and d um even if they're not implicit

00:36:21.869 --> 00:36:24.869
fans they've got the skills and the kit bag you

00:36:24.869 --> 00:36:28.670
know and that's that's what you need to do to

00:36:28.670 --> 00:36:32.329
be on that level and tim didn't really have that

00:36:32.329 --> 00:36:36.030
plan b which one of my favorite points on him

00:36:36.030 --> 00:36:37.710
not really having that plan b is if you look

00:36:37.710 --> 00:36:40.090
at one of his favorite fighters who He actually

00:36:40.090 --> 00:36:43.010
does try to emulate in terms of fight style,

00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:46.090
and it's Triple G. He likes to put the pressure

00:36:46.090 --> 00:36:49.030
on in that high guard and all that. But the difference

00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:51.929
between him and Triple G is with Triple G's amateur

00:36:51.929 --> 00:36:55.690
career and what he led into, he always had that

00:36:55.690 --> 00:36:58.829
plan B. He can have that fight like versus Lemieux

00:36:58.829 --> 00:37:02.429
where he just completely picks them apart with

00:37:02.429 --> 00:37:04.670
a jab. Yeah, goes back behind the jab. It was

00:37:04.670 --> 00:37:07.699
a beautiful thing, that one. Exactly. And that's

00:37:07.699 --> 00:37:10.860
how it is. I think one of my favorite boxers

00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:13.380
of all time, Andre Ward, I always think the same

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.719
thing. I watch a lot of his fights and he has

00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.679
had so many different looks he's given to fighters.

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.780
Whether he picks a point where he's like, okay,

00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:24.559
we're going to be infighting today or we're going

00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.239
to be popping the one -two. There's so many options

00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:31.199
in his kit bag. And that's what Fandora brought.

00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.500
He was able to adjust. He knew what Tim was going

00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:38.260
to struggle with the most. Because Tim, he can

00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:43.559
deal with a jab sometimes if he's able to move

00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.000
in after the jab. If the jab's followed up with

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.079
something else, like against murder's a leave,

00:37:49.179 --> 00:37:51.639
that's where we get the issue. Because it's the

00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.579
same thing that comes up in his pad work where

00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:56.079
there's all the footwork issues. Especially,

00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.719
you know, he comes across, he might be crossing

00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.679
his feet over. He might be balanced. He doesn't

00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.500
keep his balance right. There's so many different

00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:06.949
little small details that... typically in other

00:38:06.949 --> 00:38:10.329
boxing economies uh for lack of better words

00:38:10.329 --> 00:38:14.289
they do get on top of but yeah that's that's

00:38:14.289 --> 00:38:16.469
the thing fondora he understood at all times

00:38:16.469 --> 00:38:18.610
if he popped the jab up that he needed to keep

00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:20.769
that two on the back because he wasn't just like

00:38:20.769 --> 00:38:23.670
devon hating that thing you know like he was

00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:26.590
he was loading up on some combos he was making

00:38:26.590 --> 00:38:29.449
sure that he got tim's respect and that's when

00:38:29.449 --> 00:38:31.530
tim realized he was gonna have to take a shot

00:38:31.530 --> 00:38:35.369
if he was gonna land a shot and Once Tim realized

00:38:35.369 --> 00:38:38.110
that, he started going well. But I think the

00:38:38.110 --> 00:38:40.789
reason that the fight stopped when it did was

00:38:40.789 --> 00:38:44.090
because he just was taking that many shots. And

00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:46.750
it was brilliant. It was an outstanding use of

00:38:46.750 --> 00:38:50.230
his skill set. And he should be able to keep

00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:52.409
his inside game and his pressure game along with

00:38:52.409 --> 00:38:55.369
his career as well. Because the fact of the matter

00:38:55.369 --> 00:38:58.570
is, if you're a lanky guy who can both pressure

00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:00.789
fight and fight on the outside, that makes you

00:39:00.789 --> 00:39:05.480
that much better. I think about Hitchens, you

00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.340
can't get on the inside of Hitchens and you don't

00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:14.659
really want to. Same as, you know, again, I don't

00:39:14.659 --> 00:39:16.400
know why his name eluded me. He's one of my favorite

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.980
flatters. Junto Nakatani, you don't want to get

00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.219
on his inside particularly either. I don't know

00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:27.159
if I agree with that one. I think, I personally

00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.840
think his uppercut is good enough to keep people

00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:35.000
away. I think part of why Nakatani kind of lost

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.280
his cool against Nishida is because Nishida was

00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:44.059
beating him on the inside. Yeah, I mean, he's

00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:45.840
got a really long torso. That's always going

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.099
to be there. I just mean, like, this is months

00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:54.760
ago on the podcast, but Nakatani did not respond

00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.239
well to Nishida getting in and having success.

00:40:00.929 --> 00:40:03.349
Nakatani kind of threw a tantrum like a fucking

00:40:03.349 --> 00:40:06.469
child, in my opinion. That was really funny.

00:40:06.469 --> 00:40:11.070
I still like Nakatani, but he's definitely gone

00:40:11.070 --> 00:40:15.869
down on my list a lot. I didn't give it time.

00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:19.469
I think when I say Nakatani and on the inside,

00:40:19.630 --> 00:40:22.389
I mean more, you know he will work your body.

00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:28.500
Right, but... So the thing with Fandora is he's

00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:32.460
okay taking shots on the inside. Like, Fandora

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:36.360
is happy fighting on the inside, taking them

00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:42.420
or giving them. Yeah. But Nakatani isn't. Yeah,

00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.360
okay, that's fair. I've heard... So it's not

00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.679
my theory. I think it was maybe Chris Algieri.

00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:54.460
Anyways, doesn't matter. One of the podcasts

00:40:54.460 --> 00:40:58.820
I listened to, they thought maybe the Tim Zhu

00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:04.440
stoppage happened when it did because I was surprised.

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.099
I thought Zhu had his best round right before

00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:13.659
they stopped it. And the theory on the podcast

00:41:13.659 --> 00:41:21.559
was that Tim Zhu kind of... blew his load like

00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:26.619
he he gave his all and realized that he didn't

00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:29.920
hurt well he didn't hurt fundora and even if

00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.420
he gets on the inside fundora is a good inside

00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:36.500
fighter so i fucking took a bunch of damage and

00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:40.260
extended all this effort to get to the inside

00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:47.239
to just have a harder fight somehow right like

00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:52.349
It was demoralizing. He got past the jab, he

00:41:52.349 --> 00:41:55.670
put in all this effort, and he had some success.

00:41:55.809 --> 00:42:00.909
But when he got there, he was met with even more

00:42:00.909 --> 00:42:04.110
resistance than he had just overcome. And that

00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:10.650
kind of mentally broke him more than physically.

00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:15.429
Although I do think... Tim was taking damage.

00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:19.449
There's no doubt about that. But it did seem

00:42:19.449 --> 00:42:23.409
weird to me that he quit after the round he had

00:42:23.409 --> 00:42:26.789
the most success. But this is something I've

00:42:26.789 --> 00:42:29.550
said before, and I'll say again, if a fighter

00:42:29.550 --> 00:42:32.329
can't trust their corner to call it when they

00:42:32.329 --> 00:42:36.969
should, they'll quit. It's not just a Tim Zhu

00:42:36.969 --> 00:42:39.409
thing, but if you don't trust your corner to

00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:43.119
protect you, you'll protect yourself. I mean,

00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.380
they definitely don't have a track record of

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:49.000
projecting it. Exactly. After that first Fundora

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.880
fight, Tim can't trust his corner. Like, okay,

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.000
Jacob, we've never asked you because it's your

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.139
first time on the podcast. What do you think

00:42:57.139 --> 00:43:00.679
of that first fight? Like, that should have been

00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.210
a no contest. That big fucking cut, somebody

00:43:04.210 --> 00:43:07.010
should have stopped it. If the doctor isn't going

00:43:07.010 --> 00:43:10.010
to do it, which I think was ridiculous, the doctor

00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:12.289
should have fucking stopped it. The ref should

00:43:12.289 --> 00:43:14.889
have stopped it. But if they don't stop it, the

00:43:14.889 --> 00:43:19.170
corner has to. Yes. Somebody has to. Tim's corner

00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:21.949
fucking failed him. Yeah, I mean, the others

00:43:21.949 --> 00:43:26.409
failed him too, but he's not their person. So,

00:43:26.489 --> 00:43:30.030
like, the corner failed him. He can't trust his

00:43:30.030 --> 00:43:36.340
corner ever again. Who's the Mexican Leo? He

00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:39.539
was in an interview straight up saying, I don't

00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:41.619
trust my corner to stop it. And everyone called

00:43:41.619 --> 00:43:44.460
him a quitter. I don't know who you're talking

00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:47.960
about. No, I can picture his face and I have

00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.659
no idea what his name is. And I'm just going

00:43:49.659 --> 00:43:56.460
to sound racist if I get it wrong. Yeah. It wasn't

00:43:56.460 --> 00:44:00.119
Mikey Garcia. It was, but he kind of looks like

00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.829
Mikey Garcia. Maybe a little older. No, I'm going

00:44:05.829 --> 00:44:08.710
to get fucking tore apart. Fuck, I can see his

00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:11.889
face. I have no idea what his name is. Anyways,

00:44:12.030 --> 00:44:13.769
they called him a quitter. They called him a

00:44:13.769 --> 00:44:16.550
quitter a couple times. And after he retired,

00:44:16.869 --> 00:44:20.409
he said, well, it's because that first time I

00:44:20.409 --> 00:44:22.809
just took way too much damage and my corner didn't

00:44:22.809 --> 00:44:26.949
stop it and I could never trust them again. I

00:44:26.949 --> 00:44:33.670
feel like... Daniel Dubois might be in a similar

00:44:33.670 --> 00:44:35.869
situation because they wouldn't pull him out

00:44:35.869 --> 00:44:42.190
for his eye. And that eye was fucked. It was

00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:45.750
right. In my opinion, it was right of Daniel

00:44:45.750 --> 00:44:52.590
Dubois to step out of that Joe Joyce fight. There

00:44:52.590 --> 00:44:55.309
was no reason to keep taking damage to that eye.

00:44:55.849 --> 00:45:00.639
Yeah. I mean, it's hard to tell because the fact

00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.599
is, you know, so many injuries are invisible.

00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.340
You know, you don't really know until a fight

00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:07.039
finishes to see what condition a fighter is in.

00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.059
And I think about Shigeyoka a lot in this instance,

00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.320
too, because, you know... Well, that was the

00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.340
JBC. He should have never been able to fight

00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:20.039
again. Or not within 10 months of a fucking skull

00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.980
fracture. That's ridiculous. Against the same

00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:26.800
guy? Yeah, it was crazy. There was a lot going

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.659
on there. but on top of that you know like i

00:45:29.659 --> 00:45:32.500
thought in terms of his boxing and his body language

00:45:32.500 --> 00:45:34.360
you know he looked like he was good that last

00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.300
two rounds and i was like yeah oh no yeah in

00:45:37.300 --> 00:45:41.239
that fight and you would never have told you

00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.739
would never have known but given his medical

00:45:44.739 --> 00:45:47.079
history he shouldn't have been in that fight

00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.900
at that time oh not at all i'm just using it

00:45:50.900 --> 00:45:52.639
as an example to show like sometimes you have

00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:57.599
absolutely no idea when there's like I really

00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:03.159
don't blame Anaguchi's corner. There needs to

00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.219
be a lot more normalization of having fights

00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:10.139
stopped for medical reasons. But that's my take

00:46:10.139 --> 00:46:12.059
on the sport. I understand that it's the brutality

00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:14.900
that attracts people to it. But there's also

00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:19.800
a skill level in boxing that can also be emphasized.

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:27.769
But yeah, it's definitely something. Anyways,

00:46:27.809 --> 00:46:31.050
I can see we're running way over time. You want

00:46:31.050 --> 00:46:36.429
to know what was also something? What was else?

00:46:36.630 --> 00:46:39.389
It was Manny Pacquiao getting a draw with Mario

00:46:39.389 --> 00:46:45.210
Barrios. Jesus. My God. Imagine that. A draw

00:46:45.210 --> 00:46:48.150
in 2025. I really thought he won that. I really

00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:49.969
thought he won that, man. A lot of people do.

00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:56.789
Barrios was way too nice, though. I'm not defending

00:46:56.789 --> 00:47:01.030
the draw or saying it shouldn't have been a draw,

00:47:01.150 --> 00:47:05.170
but Manny would take a body shot, get hurt, step

00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:07.909
back, and do the schoolyard like, oh, give me

00:47:07.909 --> 00:47:12.309
a second. And Barrios did. And the ref was like,

00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:14.230
what the fuck are you doing? There were multiple

00:47:14.230 --> 00:47:16.190
times the ref looked at him and was like, you

00:47:16.190 --> 00:47:20.730
guys can still punch. Why are you stopping? The

00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:27.619
punches aren't on the script. I really think

00:47:27.619 --> 00:47:30.280
a disrespectful, not even disrespectful, but

00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:36.639
just like a Barrios. Yeah, that Barrios could

00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.760
have stopped Manny to the body easy. Barrios

00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.639
was giving him too much respect. But Barrios

00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.739
was getting fucking clipped by a 47 -year -old.

00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:52.760
The fuck? He was. He was, man. Manny showed up,

00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.519
man. Like, he was moving. That was what impressed

00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:58.079
me the most. He was moving, and he was quick

00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.199
with it, you know? Like, he had everything. I

00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.159
talked a whole bunch of shit after seeing Manny

00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.519
in that exhibition against the kickboxer, and

00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.500
I do have to take that back. Manny looked better.

00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.300
100 % exact same with me as well. I did not think

00:48:14.300 --> 00:48:18.500
he had that in him, but look. Am I surprised

00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:22.039
that I felt wrong? Not that much at all. Because

00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.179
you look at his career and his history with fighting

00:48:25.179 --> 00:48:28.900
and with his sport. Yeah. You know, some things

00:48:28.900 --> 00:48:33.039
just stay. It's that saying that class is permanent.

00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:39.519
And Manny's on all the pins in the world. Nobody's

00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.000
actually testing. The great equalizer. Nobody's

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.530
testing Manny. Sample. But overcoming age. That

00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.550
is not drugs. That is not PEDs. That is prime

00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:56.809
Filipino greatness. Okay. Sure. He does have

00:48:56.809 --> 00:49:00.030
the Filipino calves, Gene. Manny's legs are fucking

00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:04.550
massive. He's awesome, man. To be able to do

00:49:04.550 --> 00:49:07.670
that. Can you imagine how many people's uncles

00:49:07.670 --> 00:49:09.789
would have started shadowboxing in the room thinking

00:49:09.789 --> 00:49:14.300
that they're next? Yeah, no, I do get the storyline

00:49:14.300 --> 00:49:16.860
of it and everything else, but Mario Barrios

00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:21.920
should have won that fight and sent Pacquiao

00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.719
home. He really should have, especially even

00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.960
if he didn't even have to pull out a vintage

00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:29.760
performance or anything. If he just fought the

00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.519
way he fought against Ramos, he probably could

00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.559
get it done. If he just hadn't paused every time

00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.679
Manny took a step back and touched his stomach

00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:43.719
and was like, ugh. Yeah. Like, that's fucking

00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.179
bullshit that people don't even do in schoolyard

00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:51.039
fights. Like, come on, Barry. His corner was

00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:55.880
yelling at him so much about that. He probably

00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.219
just didn't want to get baited by anything. I

00:49:59.219 --> 00:50:02.000
guess. He's like, oh, I'm not falling for this,

00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:05.519
you know? Hmm. That was garbage. All around,

00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.739
that was garbage. Manny Pacquiao still shouldn't

00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:10.460
be fighting for titles. He should not be ranked

00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:15.900
number nine in the fucking rankings. If I was

00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:20.920
Essamon, I would be pissed. Like, I would be

00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:26.420
so fucking angry. Essamon kills Pacquiao. Like,

00:50:26.420 --> 00:50:31.179
I like Pacquiao and everything, but Essamon fucking

00:50:31.179 --> 00:50:37.139
kills him. Decau Essiman? Yeah! He's ranked number

00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:40.800
10 and Manny Pacquiao's ranked number 9. In where?

00:50:42.219 --> 00:50:49.239
Um... Shit, which... Which one is that? Is that...

00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:55.960
The Ring, maybe? I wasn't... It was... I know

00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.079
I'm not making this up because I thought it was

00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.780
fucking ridiculous, but I don't know which...

00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:06.940
Which... belt does Barrios have? Maybe it's the

00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:13.059
WBC then. Let me check. WBC... No. Must be ring.

00:51:17.300 --> 00:51:20.659
Wait, no. I'm at the wrong weight class. Give

00:51:20.659 --> 00:51:27.460
me a second. Might just be kind of stupid. No,

00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.980
it's the ring. Pacquiao's ranked number 9 by

00:51:29.980 --> 00:51:36.860
the ring. Essamon's number 10. And then Pacquiao's

00:51:36.860 --> 00:51:41.059
not on anyone else's rankings. Is that correct?

00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:44.440
Interesting. Well, he did say he was going to

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:46.539
keep fighting. I would have imagined that they

00:51:46.539 --> 00:51:49.880
would put him into the rankings somewhere. Nobody

00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:56.059
else has him in the rankings on Fox Live. Interesting.

00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:00.440
But The Ring has him at number nine. Barrios

00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.510
is eight. Pacquiao's 9, Essamon is 10. And if

00:52:04.510 --> 00:52:08.010
I was Essamon, I would be fucking pissed. Because

00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:14.090
Ekow Essamon destroys Pacquiao in a fight. I

00:52:14.090 --> 00:52:15.590
think there's a lot of cases with the rankings

00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:17.510
of that where I see guys where I think they'd

00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:21.710
beat someone that's above them. Yeah. But this

00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:26.199
one's just worse than others. All right. Let's

00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.639
fucking keep it rolling because, like, I don't

00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.159
know. I feel like Mario Party is just going to

00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.400
be an all -time long episode. I'll have to...

00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.880
This is a Lin -length episode. Moving up. Join

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.900
the Patreon to see what was cut. Yeah. Fucking

00:52:43.900 --> 00:52:48.920
Lawrence of Koli versus Kevin Lorena. That little

00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.199
dead air was more time than that fight deserves.

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:57.670
Lawrence of Koli. I said I reserve the use of

00:52:57.670 --> 00:53:02.369
this term. Oleksandr Usyk is fucking special.

00:53:03.530 --> 00:53:09.889
KO5 over Daniel Dubois to reunify the division.

00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:17.469
This is a Mount Rushmore of heavyweight boxing

00:53:17.469 --> 00:53:22.280
that we're looking at. I was defending that this

00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.320
was going to be Usyk's hardest fight. It was

00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.539
not. Yeah. At all. I expected better from Daniel

00:53:29.539 --> 00:53:32.760
Dubois. I really did. I thought he was improved.

00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:38.300
Yep. But now you're talking about that. There

00:53:38.300 --> 00:53:42.940
has been some out of ring controversy around

00:53:42.940 --> 00:53:45.400
this fight. Did you guys hear about that? I did

00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.440
not. The potty? Yeah, yeah, Dubois was apparently

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:53.559
partying the night before, and a bunch of, like,

00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.699
not good, like, nothing super crazy. It's not

00:53:57.699 --> 00:54:02.019
like he is suspected of drug dealing or prostitution

00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:04.099
or any of that stuff, but he was, like, partying

00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:06.900
real late, and he showed up at the venue really

00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.159
late, like he was only there an hour before the

00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.119
fight or something crazy. Had to get extra sleep.

00:54:14.780 --> 00:54:19.320
Getting back on track. Usyk is just fucking amazing.

00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.760
Usyk did Usyk stuff. Just like I said Usyk would

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:27.000
do. Nobody's beating the Ukrainian with the gap

00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:35.780
to smile. Like, it's crazy. He is so good. Just

00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:43.699
for someone his size and with his pedigree. to

00:54:43.699 --> 00:54:46.059
have come from the weight divisions that he has,

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.000
to have had the success he has as an amateur

00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.179
as well, is just incredible. And that's just

00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:56.840
going through, you know, his resume and how he

00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.679
got here. That's not even talking about the fundamentals

00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.639
of how he is as a boxer, which is just incredible

00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.199
as well. You know, his movement, his understanding

00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.360
of range. It just doesn't seem to matter who

00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.179
they put in front of him stylistically. He just

00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:15.030
keeps finding answers. That's what's so impressive

00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:19.710
to me. Which was basically my analysis before

00:55:19.710 --> 00:55:23.250
this fight. Usyk is going to do Usyk things.

00:55:23.750 --> 00:55:30.650
That's what happened. All right. So wherever

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00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:47.800
Jacob that you just heard, we know him from Discord,

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:53.380
right? So lvx .be slash Discord if you want to

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get yourself into the conversation. If you're

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with. It's a good community. It's a lot of fun.

00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.059
And, yeah, lvx .be slash discord. All right,

00:57:13.099 --> 00:57:15.460
going to take a short break, and when we're back,

00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.559
some fucking news and rumors and shit. All right.

00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.780
I have so much news and rumors, Leo. It's crazy.

00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.139
This is a lot. Yeah, we don't have to talk about

00:57:29.139 --> 00:57:33.079
all of it. Yeah, just a little bit. Josh Taylor

00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:38.260
retires, citing eye problems. That's, um... Yeah,

00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:41.320
I don't know how much I believe the eye problems,

00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.880
really, but I think Josh Taylor retiring is probably

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.340
good timing. I'm trying to think of a funny new

00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:52.239
one. Like, rest in piss, you won't be missed.

00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.219
I don't know. He's not that good. Rest in luck,

00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:01.780
I don't give a fuck. I don't know. I think that's

00:58:01.780 --> 00:58:05.679
the best I can do for the time being. Go drown

00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:12.000
in a bog, you hog. Scottish bogs. I don't know.

00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:19.539
On the... I don't know if... Whatever. I bungled

00:58:19.539 --> 00:58:26.420
this transition here. Bad segue. We lost Jacob

00:58:26.420 --> 00:58:29.019
and we fell apart. That's what makes a good segue

00:58:29.019 --> 00:58:33.929
is that I say it's a bad one. Yeah. On the topic

00:58:33.929 --> 00:58:39.570
of crash outs, as if you do or do not know, the

00:58:39.570 --> 00:58:44.409
Kameda clan, for one, they're crashing out. Has

00:58:44.409 --> 00:58:48.369
crashed the fuck out. It's been a little crazy.

00:58:48.630 --> 00:58:52.789
What were they saying? Okay, so this all started

00:58:52.789 --> 00:58:58.289
a couple days ago. Vom on the Discord is on Twitter,

00:58:58.429 --> 00:59:03.599
and I'm an Instagram whore. The Kamedas don't

00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.579
have Instagram, so I didn't hear about any of

00:59:05.579 --> 00:59:13.079
this. But they have sued the JBC for discrimination

00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:18.880
against their fighters. Some sort of like, you're

00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.760
discriminating for no reason. I forget which

00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.880
exact fighter it was about. But they lost their

00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:29.920
shit during the... Who did Higa fight? Vasquez?

00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:36.820
Antonio Vargas. Vargas, sorry. Yeah, so during

00:59:36.820 --> 00:59:40.679
the Vargas -Higa card, the Kamedas were actively

00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.670
crashing out on Twitter. saying they were suing

00:59:44.670 --> 00:59:48.989
the JBC and all this stuff. And they did list

00:59:48.989 --> 00:59:52.730
a specific fight and a fighter that the JBC was

00:59:52.730 --> 00:59:56.269
blocking for what they call discriminatory reasons.

00:59:56.710 --> 01:00:00.909
But then after that, somebody else, all in Japanese,

01:00:01.130 --> 01:00:03.929
was like, maybe this isn't the time. Like, maybe

01:00:03.929 --> 01:00:06.630
have your crash out after the big international

01:00:06.630 --> 01:00:10.710
fight that everybody is watching. And the Kamedas

01:00:10.710 --> 01:00:14.019
straight up just told them to fuck off. That

01:00:14.019 --> 01:00:16.420
was the whole tweet. They replied, fuck you,

01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:25.139
fuck off. And then they signed Casamero. John

01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:33.219
Riel Casamero. I don't know what the fuck they're

01:00:33.219 --> 01:00:35.980
doing. They're just making everything worse.

01:00:36.139 --> 01:00:39.900
But the absolute worst news to me personally

01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:43.440
is that they also signed Kenneth Lover, who is

01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.659
the Filipino prospect I really like. And he should

01:00:46.659 --> 01:00:49.019
not be signing with the Kamedas. He should sign

01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:52.760
with someone so much better. He deserves a good

01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.480
fucking promotion. And, like, the Kamedas are

01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:00.320
full crash out. Fuck the JBC. We're suing you.

01:01:00.460 --> 01:01:04.269
We're going to have... fights in kazakhstan and

01:01:04.269 --> 01:01:07.650
like we're going international which is i guess

01:01:07.650 --> 01:01:13.309
whatever sure like yeah i i am sure the jbc is

01:01:13.309 --> 01:01:16.650
biased against kamada fighters like i do not

01:01:16.650 --> 01:01:22.349
doubt that yeah i don't either but a public fucking

01:01:22.349 --> 01:01:26.550
crash out and signing casamero is not the response

01:01:26.550 --> 01:01:30.809
you should be having guys what the fuck like

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.000
It's very much Japanese boxing politics drama,

01:01:37.300 --> 01:01:41.179
but this is drama enough that everyone is going

01:01:41.179 --> 01:01:48.159
to enjoy it if they look into it. Speaking of

01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:55.159
crash outs, the guy who beat Galalia Fi gets

01:01:55.159 --> 01:02:00.300
a probation rematch ordered. PED he popped for

01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:03.119
was an over -the -counter energy supplement.

01:02:03.460 --> 01:02:07.179
So just some shit you get at a GNC or whatever

01:02:07.179 --> 01:02:14.079
shop is near you. Yeah. Wow. He failed for PEDs

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:19.139
in his previous fight. This is the rumors and

01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:23.960
news. So I got to look up the exact date. So

01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:32.659
this is Francisco Rodriguez Jr. He... Okay. He

01:02:32.659 --> 01:02:40.980
beat Josue Morales. Or, sorry. Yeah, he beat

01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:44.380
him, but it was turned to a no contest by the

01:02:44.380 --> 01:02:50.340
Texas Commission on... Oh, I misread this when

01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:54.139
I was making the news. It says no contest by

01:02:54.139 --> 01:03:01.079
the Texas Commission on... January 6th. Because

01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.719
of PEDs. But then they let him fight Galal Yafai.

01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:12.579
In Texas? Where he... No, Yafai was in... UK?

01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:18.000
The UK. Yeah. But they let him fight Yafai and

01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:24.769
from what Eddie Hearn says, he had no idea. that

01:03:24.769 --> 01:03:29.309
Rodriguez had popped in his previous test. So,

01:03:29.429 --> 01:03:33.690
he popped for PEDS in a fight, they didn't tell

01:03:33.690 --> 01:03:36.530
the other commission, and then he pops for PEDS

01:03:36.530 --> 01:03:40.989
again. Yeah, well, Texas... That's pretty shit.

01:03:41.349 --> 01:03:47.369
...over a Mexican fighter, and then fighting

01:03:47.369 --> 01:03:51.170
in the UK, no surprise it slipped through the

01:03:51.170 --> 01:03:54.090
cracks. But what was the PD from the previous

01:03:54.090 --> 01:03:58.590
fight? Is that known? It probably is. I don't

01:03:58.590 --> 01:04:00.849
know if I checked that. Because I'm wondering

01:04:00.849 --> 01:04:04.929
if it's the same over -the -counter thing. How

01:04:04.929 --> 01:04:11.730
do you spell Francisco? Rodriguez, Texas, PDs.

01:04:11.849 --> 01:04:15.789
See what this gets me. So the thing is, is I

01:04:15.789 --> 01:04:20.159
don't know if anybody knew about this. Like,

01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:22.739
I don't know if it was public knowledge before

01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:27.579
the... Before the fight. Before the Yafai fight.

01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:34.480
Yeah. But if it wasn't, it should be. Okay. Francisco

01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:40.000
Rodriguez failed his drug test on December 15th,

01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.239
2024 and was put on a 90 -day suspension and

01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:48.300
was assessed a $500 administrative fine. by the

01:04:48.300 --> 01:04:53.000
Texas Combative Sports Program. There is no world

01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.139
governing body in boxing and the Texas Commission

01:04:56.139 --> 01:04:58.699
are not required to inform other commissions

01:04:58.699 --> 01:05:05.059
of the decision. This article doesn't say what

01:05:05.059 --> 01:05:12.099
he actually popped for in Texas. But, I mean,

01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.340
I don't think it really matters at this point.

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.539
Or does it? What I was thinking was, if it's

01:05:19.539 --> 01:05:23.659
the same supplement that got him popped the first

01:05:23.659 --> 01:05:27.039
time, then okay. Why would he still be taking

01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.039
it, though? No, not okay. Then you know that

01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.480
you're going to pop and you stop taking it. Like,

01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:37.059
that's worse, isn't it? What I'm saying is, what

01:05:37.059 --> 01:05:39.380
if he popped for a steroid the first time? It

01:05:39.380 --> 01:05:43.260
would make me more skeptical of this OTC thing.

01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.070
No, that's a masking agent. is what i'm saying

01:05:47.070 --> 01:05:52.710
but i steroids popping twice for an energy supplement

01:05:52.710 --> 01:05:57.449
popping twice in a row for the same thing is

01:05:57.449 --> 01:06:01.809
i would argue worse you think uh i don't know

01:06:01.809 --> 01:06:04.170
yeah i was just like you've already gotten caught

01:06:04.170 --> 01:06:07.250
doing something like stop doing it like your

01:06:07.250 --> 01:06:11.150
second dui is worse than your first one if you

01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:14.869
get charged I mean, this is a bad analogy, but

01:06:14.869 --> 01:06:18.570
if you get charged with, you know, like, a DUI

01:06:18.570 --> 01:06:23.550
and then driving without a license... Because

01:06:23.550 --> 01:06:28.429
you had a DUI. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, I

01:06:28.429 --> 01:06:30.250
was just thinking about steroids and how they

01:06:30.250 --> 01:06:34.230
mixed into the conversation. Yeah, but if you

01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:36.510
get caught for steroids once, at least change

01:06:36.510 --> 01:06:39.389
the steroids. Like, come on. Yeah, and that's

01:06:39.389 --> 01:06:42.210
what the OTC thing could be, is a... something

01:06:42.210 --> 01:06:47.389
to mask it or like a diuretic yeah yeah i don't

01:06:47.389 --> 01:06:50.710
know i can't i can't find everything that came

01:06:50.710 --> 01:06:54.469
up was this new one but i do think it's a little

01:06:54.469 --> 01:06:59.469
ridiculous that he popped in texas and uh the

01:06:59.469 --> 01:07:06.090
uk had no way to check if that like it feels

01:07:06.090 --> 01:07:08.449
like the boxing commissions should talk a little

01:07:08.449 --> 01:07:11.579
more I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Like,

01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.519
if you pop in Texas, the UK should know. And

01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.760
if you pop in Nevada, like, Mexico should know.

01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.179
I don't know. Instead of forum shopping? Yeah,

01:07:24.219 --> 01:07:27.239
instead of, like, pulling a Connor Ben or whatever.

01:07:27.659 --> 01:07:34.079
Kangaroo Court? Yeah. Oh, man. Well, we went

01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:40.869
for a while on the, uh... The damn... And because

01:07:40.869 --> 01:07:43.349
of that, we're going to have to call it here.

01:07:45.409 --> 01:07:49.429
Okay. I think it actually works out nicely because

01:07:49.429 --> 01:07:54.769
based on time, we got a lot of good chatter going.

01:07:55.570 --> 01:08:00.590
And there's nothing coming up. There's just fucking

01:08:00.590 --> 01:08:05.480
nothing on the horizon. Some of these news and

01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:09.039
rumors fit well with next podcast anyways. Fun.

01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.760
If you want to know what the other news and rumors

01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:17.899
are, tune in next week. All right. Let me do

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We got new ads. Oh, did we? They're not very

01:09:39.619 --> 01:09:42.699
good. That's exciting. Oh. They're not ones.

01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.739
What's wrong with them? It's not product testimonials

01:09:46.739 --> 01:09:52.819
from me anymore. Oh. Okay. It's automated shit.

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Man, some of it, like one of them was for a law

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firm. Another one was for power tools. Like,

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the fuck is this? Well, if you don't want to

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hear those, you're going to have to go to Patreon.

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You have to go to Patreon. God damn, because

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they're fucking rough. We gots to get paid. Fair

01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:17.180
enough, but Leo, you... I was going to say, you

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have to get paid for your equipment and shit.

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Yeah, that's kind of what it is. So if you don't

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want to hear those, Patreon. Shit. Sucks to suck,

01:10:26.260 --> 01:10:35.840
dog. Yeah. Parting words. I just said mine. Sucks

01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:40.800
to suck? No, if you don't want those law firm

01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:44.979
ads or fucking power tools or whatever other...

01:10:45.260 --> 01:10:49.300
nonsense they have in the rotation yeah you're

01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:54.460
gonna have to go to patreon sorry my parting

01:10:54.460 --> 01:10:57.880
words well i actually have two parting unrelated

01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:03.399
things i went to ryzen yeah god damn it was so

01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.739
much fun the production value at ryzen was crazy

01:11:06.739 --> 01:11:10.140
it was at that sinema arena yeah which is made

01:11:10.140 --> 01:11:13.949
for concerts and shit The pyrotechnics, the visuals,

01:11:14.529 --> 01:11:19.449
everything was on point. It was great. The backstory

01:11:19.449 --> 01:11:23.909
videos were also great. There were 18 fights,

01:11:24.189 --> 01:11:28.409
19 fights, I think. It was a fucking long day.

01:11:29.390 --> 01:11:32.390
All that was great, except I don't like the fights

01:11:32.390 --> 01:11:35.970
as much as boxing. So everything was great, except

01:11:35.970 --> 01:11:41.229
the actual fights. How did your Japanese practice?

01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:46.779
pan out um no one engaged even when you like

01:11:46.779 --> 01:11:50.539
asked in proper japanese like who is this person

01:11:50.539 --> 01:11:56.260
and they're like foreigner well they were polite

01:11:56.260 --> 01:12:00.619
but also clearly not interested in talking with

01:12:00.619 --> 01:12:04.079
me so i i asked a question a direct question

01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.420
and they answered but made it very clear they

01:12:06.420 --> 01:12:09.039
didn't want me to talk to them again so i didn't

01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:15.140
um So that was fine. Also, the fucking food sold

01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:19.159
out so fast. Wow. I waited in line for an hour

01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:25.020
to get beer and chicken and fries. And they sold

01:12:25.020 --> 01:12:27.939
out of chicken and fries two people ahead of

01:12:27.939 --> 01:12:31.899
me. Wow. So then I waited in line for a half

01:12:31.899 --> 01:12:34.539
hour again. And when I got to the front, they

01:12:34.539 --> 01:12:37.739
also had no food. So I drank five beer and ate

01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:45.020
no food. uh fight started at 11 a .m and they

01:12:45.020 --> 01:12:51.439
ended at 10 p .m so you had a marathon of fucking

01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:56.260
fights of fucking no food was my problem but

01:12:56.260 --> 01:13:00.079
yes yeah the it was fun i'm glad i went i probably

01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.699
wouldn't go by myself again if i had a friend

01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:06.590
who wanted to go i would definitely be down but

01:13:06.590 --> 01:13:09.970
there was a couple crazy call -outs in the ring

01:13:09.970 --> 01:13:16.550
or like okay my two favorite ryzen gossip i guess

01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:20.970
so there's the guy who's a huge simp for the

01:13:20.970 --> 01:13:23.829
maid cafe lady or i don't think it's a maid cafe

01:13:23.829 --> 01:13:27.560
but like the the hostess lady Do you know who

01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:28.859
I'm talking about, Leo? Yeah, I know who you're

01:13:28.859 --> 01:13:31.760
talking about. Yeah, man. Yeah, so he was fighting

01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.420
a dad with two kids, and the dad's video was

01:13:35.420 --> 01:13:38.600
his kids crying the last time he lost. And I

01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.859
was cheering for the dad, and he won the first

01:13:40.859 --> 01:13:44.000
two rounds very clearly, and then got knocked

01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:48.779
the fuck out in the third round. I don't care

01:13:48.779 --> 01:13:52.079
if this guy impresses the lady he's paying money

01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:53.899
to talk to him because she's going to talk to

01:13:53.899 --> 01:13:56.899
him again later anyways. As long as he pays money,

01:13:57.060 --> 01:14:01.140
she's there. So I was cheering against him. And

01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:05.880
the dad brought his kids in and he gave his retirement

01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.380
speech and the kids were crying in the ring again.

01:14:08.460 --> 01:14:12.819
That made me really sad. There was a fighter

01:14:12.819 --> 01:14:16.239
whose whole background video was pachinko, and

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:21.220
he walked out to pachinko music and the bonus

01:14:21.220 --> 01:14:25.500
videos of his favorite pachinko games. There

01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:28.460
was a different guy who his whole thing was hunting,

01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:33.260
so it was him hunting and butchering deer and

01:14:33.260 --> 01:14:35.720
shit and then eating them as part of his training.

01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:39.800
Wow. Yeah, I thought that was kind of fun, actually.

01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.270
I like hunting. And then my favorite thing that

01:14:43.270 --> 01:14:46.350
happened was there was a guy came into the ring

01:14:46.350 --> 01:14:49.289
for a call out and he was wearing a super nice

01:14:49.289 --> 01:14:52.590
kimono, but he didn't have it on properly. He

01:14:52.590 --> 01:14:57.829
had the one arm out so that like half of it draped

01:14:57.829 --> 01:15:00.510
off him, kind of like a toga. And then you could

01:15:00.510 --> 01:15:05.250
see all his Yakuza tattoos. Oh shit. The funniest

01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:08.090
part was the guy he was calling out was in a

01:15:08.090 --> 01:15:10.989
white dress shirt and black slacks with a black

01:15:10.989 --> 01:15:14.390
ball cap and looked like a fucking middle school

01:15:14.390 --> 01:15:20.670
baseball coach. It was great. I loved all of

01:15:20.670 --> 01:15:25.130
it. But the fucking tension was there. They kept

01:15:25.130 --> 01:15:27.670
showing him on the screen. I booed three times.

01:15:28.029 --> 01:15:34.140
So, fuck tension. Yes, it's better when things

01:15:34.140 --> 01:15:46.140
are more relaxed. I hate him so much. But my

01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:49.220
actual parting words, and I know this is going

01:15:49.220 --> 01:15:53.699
too long, but tomorrow I get to meet Seiya Tsutsumi.

01:15:54.659 --> 01:16:01.189
Party. Yeah, there's a punch burger. meetup at

01:16:01.189 --> 01:16:06.069
a burger joint that he likes so he is a waiter

01:16:06.069 --> 01:16:10.310
for one day at i think it's called jessica seven

01:16:10.310 --> 01:16:15.170
it's either jessica or jennifer seven um is the

01:16:15.170 --> 01:16:18.710
name of the restaurant and uh yeah so i'm gonna

01:16:18.710 --> 01:16:21.770
go and i'm gonna fangirl out and try not to embarrass

01:16:21.770 --> 01:16:25.069
myself too badly but my goals are an autograph

01:16:25.069 --> 01:16:28.729
and a picture together what are you gonna get

01:16:28.729 --> 01:16:33.729
him to sign uh i am gonna take the the big banner

01:16:33.729 --> 01:16:37.569
i think that'll be fun and i want to see his

01:16:37.569 --> 01:16:40.569
reaction to that yeah yeah i want to see what

01:16:40.569 --> 01:16:44.750
he says to that too and uh then i am also just

01:16:44.750 --> 01:16:47.390
gonna take a book where i collect all the free

01:16:47.390 --> 01:16:50.720
stamps you can get around japan Because I think

01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:53.619
his autograph in that book would be a really

01:16:53.619 --> 01:16:56.800
good souvenir as well. So if I can only get one

01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.539
signature, it'll be on the banner. But if he'll

01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:03.159
sign two things, I'm going to get him to sign

01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:05.939
both. I think he will. I think he'll sign both

01:17:05.939 --> 01:17:09.920
for you. He probably will. Yeah, I this is very

01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.279
low key. Like you don't need a reservation or

01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.460
anything. It's not super well advertised. He's

01:17:16.460 --> 01:17:20.479
been putting up posts on Instagram is as far

01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:25.399
as I can tell it. I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm so

01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:27.939
excited. I'm gonna make an ass of myself. I've

01:17:27.939 --> 01:17:30.079
been practicing my Japanese all week and I'm

01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:32.260
gonna get flustered and fuck it up and just speak

01:17:32.260 --> 01:17:36.439
English by accident. and then he'll give you

01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:40.039
like a simpering sort of smile sign your thing

01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.939
and then like chibi you along yeah yeah yeah

01:17:43.939 --> 01:17:47.720
i i won't fuck up the japanese for picture because

01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:52.100
because that's easy yeah that would be cool um

01:17:52.100 --> 01:17:54.380
just thank you so much for having me i really

01:17:54.380 --> 01:17:57.199
enjoyed talking to you guys and hopefully i find

01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.300
the time in between sparring and everything to

01:17:59.300 --> 01:18:02.619
pop on some other time Yeah. Thank you so much.

01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:04.460
Thank you so much for having me on. It was really

01:18:04.460 --> 01:18:08.619
cool. See you guys. Bye. All right. That's it

01:18:08.619 --> 01:18:10.979
for this edition of fucking Boxing Before Dark.

01:18:11.460 --> 01:18:13.479
My batteries are getting low. It's so long, guys.

01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.680
We'll see how much of this survives the cutting

01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:23.739
room floor. All right. We're out of here. Bye.