The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. That
B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Alright, ready? Alright, I'm ready. Alright.
Ready? Boxing B -Sides. Back up in your ears.
Joined by the one and only Alex. Do you remember
why I keep saying that? Why do you say that?
Oh, because the first time you were ever on,
you said the one and only. That's how you introduce
yourself. I don't think we have any other Alex's
in our network. He is the one and only Alex.
Once you bring in another Alex, then he's no
longer the one and only Alex. I'm only one. He's
one of the only Alexes at that point. The OG.
The OG Alex, exactly. It's like Jake from State
Farm. And Josh, out on the East Coast. How are
you living? Living good, watching Provox. Provox
is good. Oh, it's a good name. Before we started,
Alex, you had posed the question, or you wanted
to pose the question of how does paying fighters
too much have a negative impact on the sport?
Yeah, I wanted to say, because I kind of forgot
about saying last week, but I think paying fighters
too much kind of takes the fire out of them.
If you give them retirement money, they're just
going to be, Giving you retirement fights, if
that makes any sense. Yeah, that does make sense.
So, Turkey overpaying fighters, which is ludicrous.
I don't want to say, I don't want to be a UFC
stan and say like, oh, they should pay their
fighters $100 ,000 and $50 ,000 if they win.
No, no, no, no, no. I don't like that at all.
However, paying a fighter like Ryan, how much
was Ryan getting paid? Like $30 million? I don't
know if you guys know how much he got paid. He
got paid a lot, right? Too much. Too much. We
know he got paid too much. Yes, that's it. He
just got paid way too much. And lost to Rowley.
Like, 20. He got paid 20 dollars to lose to Rowley,
who is a fucking, a PBC fighter. Again. Rowley
won on a DAZN card when he was a PBC fighter.
That's crazy. You know, something that happened
when PBC first started and they had that huge
angel funding. from the venture venture capitalist
firm i think it's like william morris or something
like that but they they would pay fighters a
healthy amount like the type the kind of money
that they're still getting paid today and i remember
a lot of people bitching like uh they're overpaying
fighters and they're do they're doing exactly
what you were saying like you're giving them
retirement money that they're going to give you
retirement fights yeah and then Eddie Hearn and
his DAZN fucking war chest comes in and starts
doing it as well. Considerably more money than
PBC ever did. But that time, everybody was like,
oh, look, he's such a brilliant businessman.
If you pay fighters what they're worth, they're
going to give you their best. Where's the consistency
here? I don't know. And then Turkey comes along
and pays a fighter fucking oil money and bill
off the fucking Texas Flames. Blood money. The
difference is, like, with the guys like Farmer
and Andrade, like, the factor, it's only like
a factor of 10 at most. Like, instead of making
$100 ,000 at the most, they're making a million,
which is like... You're still way overpaying
these guys, but they're not stars and it's not
noticeable. But a guy like Ryan Garcia who's
in the millions and you start giving him tens
of millions and these guys already have ego issues.
Eddie Hearn fucked it over. The reason why nobody
says shit to Turkey is because they also want
a payday too. So fuck all the other partners
as well. You'll notice when Turkey starts paying
us because we're going to kiss his ass. It'll
be a sharp, sharp turn. Yeah. Like, listen, man,
if you want to wire me a million bucks, Turkey,
like, you can pay me enough. You can pay me,
but I ain't going to suck your dick. I will.
I'm the opposite. I will suck the money out of
your ass if it's enough. I agree. I agree. I
was going to say, we're not in a bargaining position
here. We got it. Let's move into the recaps.
Fucking Queensberry. I only watched one of these,
and it was on May 10th. Anthony Caccacci stops
Lee Wood. It was a corner stoppage. A towel came
in. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. But it was... Kakach
is on that... Kakach is on that tour beating
up all the, like, DAZN Brits. Yeah. I'm gonna
say this right now to the people listening. I'm
not gonna be talking much because I missed...
I missed a lot of the boxing this weekend, unfortunately.
So, you guys are blessed to not hear a lot from
me. Damn it. Yeah, I mean, he beat Cordina Warrington
and now Wood, and it's like... All three of these
guys were washed. But also, Kakashi's kind of
washed because he is 36 at super featherweight.
That's old. That's fucking old. I don't know.
Who does he fight next? Because he could totally
fight Navarrete or Oshaki Foster, but okay. Yeah.
I don't see him doing... Why go through the other
guys at super featherweight? You don't have...
Oh, he has the IBO title. Fucking excuse me.
I think he should just keep... These guys are
still world -ranked, but keep beating the domestic
guys. The title will come up for you, hopefully,
before you retire, and you get your shot that
way. Instead of, let me fight an actual dangerous,
dangerous titleist. Like Oshaki Foster. Oshaki
Foster is very dangerous, man. I agree. Yeah,
that's dangerous, especially for an old... I
think Nick Paul's ass. I think Espinoza has ass.
I think Angelo's ass. Oshaki Foster is the prime
126 fighter. It's Superfeather. Superfeather.
Superfeather. It's 130. We're at 130. Oh, sorry,
130, 130. I better take that back. 130, Oshagie
Foster is the best. Also, I am definitely not
being sponsored by Riyad to say this. Is Oshagie
Foster a Riyad guy? I don't think so. I know
Raymond. Ray Ford probably is. Yeah, Ray Ford
is. They definitely won't be. I'm just picking
up my ass right now. I don't know. Moving to
Pro Box Good. Only one I watched was Erickson
Lubin. Stops RGL Holmes in the 11th. Man, I was
kind of high on RGL Holmes. I was thinking he
was going to... I said he can make it grimy.
And he did. But... That was still pretty hard
to watch. Like, he didn't really seem too interested
in engaging and more than clinching. Yeah. I
mean, Lubin got it done, though. He did. That's,
like, there's the Pro Box guarantee. Lubin wasn't
going to settle for that win. You make it or
you break it. Yeah. Especially Lubin totally
needed that. The inactivity wasn't great for
him. He's only 29, which is really surprising.
It feels like he's been around forever. He kind
of has been. He got sent to space in 2017 against
Charlo. Got the fucking Christ beaten out of
him in 22. Lubin really lubed up his career today.
He's still around. I think, like, honestly, like,
as much as I'll cry about Lubin robbing Ramos,
Jesus Ramos, like, he's still in there. He's
definitely not beating a top guy, but, like,
you know, if Xander Zayas wants, like, that real
floor raiser. He wants some serious smoke, not
just the top right protection. Yeah, like. Like,
Lubin's totally, like, a free, like, not free
in regards of, like, a free win, but free in
terms of, like, the schedule lines up, the money
lines up, and, like, there's no promotional issues
in the way. That fight's never going to happen.
I can dream. I think it'd be good for Zayas.
Or if Lubin just is him at the age of 29. Like...
Sure. Why not? Why not? What else is he going
to do other than beat up the poor Probox guys?
Or get beaten up by a Probox guy who turns out
to be fucking amazing. Who knows? He could also
fight Charles Conwell. Actually, I wouldn't mind
a rematch with Fandora. That fight was pretty
fun. Do you want to see Lubin get his face rearranged
again? I mean, he knocked Fundora down with a
fucking great shot. Like, it's not like Fundora's
invincible. True. Yeah, that's true. Like, I'm
sure if Lubin gets hit even slightly less, it's
still more of a fight. Because I'm like, I don't
think Fundora's fixed many of his problems either.
What else is next? This one. This one. I'm sure
Sebastian Garcia is still around. It's too older,
guys. Yeah. Ray Murataya, UD over Zaur Abdullayev.
I'm on the Ray Murataya train. Yeah. Fantastic.
Hey, Murataya's been good. He's Mexican. Yeah.
He's been good. I don't think there's... Are
there guys that lightweight for him to step up
against? Not named Shakur. Or Tank. If they want
to do a fight with... He's a top -ranked guy,
though. Keyshawn Davis. Yeah, well... I think
Keyshawn beats him, though. Yeah. If they want
a lot of money, they can have Keyshawn versus...
versus Raymond. And they can have Tank versus
Shakur, and the winner of those two fights is
Fight Pro Disputed. God. God. Shakur, Tank. But
that will never happen. Yeah, no. Who knows,
man? Turkey might make his action figures. No.
Right again. But Tank's not doing that shit.
Yeah. Yeah, very much. Very much for Murataya.
He's kind of got to sit still and wait for things
to sort themselves out. He's going to have to
cross the street to get some of the better fights.
Yep. Or move up. Yeah. Because it's kind of tied
up. The names at the very top of the division
are definitely a tough ask. Because it's Kishan,
Tank, and Shakur. Lamont Roach is up there. Hey,
you know what? If Roach, when, you know what?
No, not if. When Roach loses the tank, then we
can have a Murataya Roach and that'd be good.
You think that Roach loses the tank again? What?
You think that Roach loses the tank in the rematch?
I think he does. I think tank adjusts. Roach
also, I don't doubt that Roach hasn't been training
exactly the most, considering he's still on his
victory lap tour after drawing with Tank. That's
why I think they haven't made the fight yet.
It's because Tank's waiting it out. Tank's probably
been training. Tank's definitely been training.
If he's not in trouble, he's training. That's
usually how it's been. Yeah, but like roach has
been like drinking at NBA games and shit and
just showing up to like like he's made a lot
of public Appearances he's been partying in public
a lot. So I Think we'll see we'll run Sure, we'll
enter thing. Yeah No, no Well, I mean it's it's
the tanks benefit to do the rematch sooner than
later because you don't let roach get back into
that training rhythm but that's a That's more
politics than boxing, really. Yeah. Emmanuel
Navarrete versus Charlie Suarez. First question.
Was it a headbutt? Was it a punch? We saw the
video. It was a punch. Yeah. Okay, good. It was
a punch. No, but, like, you don't even need,
like, the zoom in angle. Like, you could see
it. Like, in front of the referee. A punch land
and he starts bleeding. I remember this one day
where Josh actually said that it's different
being ringside and different being a judge. Yeah.
I'm playing devil's advocate now. That's like
Josh did with Ting. I'm sick of Navarrete though.
He keeps getting these fucking bailouts every
time. He should have been stopped with Liam Wilson.
Like, conveniently, he got enough of a rest for
a bailout. The draw with Konsei Sao was a pretty
lucky bailout. Didn't get bailed out versus Berencik.
No, he didn't. Berencik. I don't think he could
have bailed him out there. And even then, some
of the scores were a little tight. The split
decision. Yeah. So, like, they tried. Like, he's
been under the top -ranked protection program.
His first title fight was against Isaac Dogme.
I remember the broadcast. I remember the color
commentary. The color commentary for that fight,
they were talking about Dogme spars his dad and
his brother and his cousin. That's how he trains.
No, this guy's peak top -ranked protection program.
Like, bro, there's no way. Like, Liam Wilson,
like, the Liam Wilson one drove me nuts. Because,
like, you literally gave him enough time to recover
after Liam Wilson would just... beating the piss
out of him. You beat the shit out of Valdez?
No. I'll give him that. Actually, I will give
him that one. I'm not gonna cape for Valdez either.
But, like, there's been so many, like, sketchy
calls and, like, funny matchmaking that's gone
never its way that, like, come on, man. It happened
again. See you, Kim, Mr. Kirk. Fuck. No, bro,
I just... He's also a super feather. Maybe 130.
Look at the 130 names. You know what? You know,
Shecky Foster and Kakash. Ray Ford, if you really.
I don't know if he moves up. Keep doing it. I'm
just, I don't want to see never. I need never
to just, like, not have a controversy. What about
him making weight? Yeah, that too. Actually,
the Liam Wilson fight also had some sketchy shit
with the weight. Liam Wilson, if you look at
Liam Wilson's weights, he always weighs in right
at the limit, right? He weighed in at 126 for
a fight at 130. Meanwhile, Navarette weighed
in right under 130, just right at the limit.
Lee Wilson has never weighed 126 pounds in his
life. So that was the... There's my rant about
never. There's my top -ranked protection program
conspiracy. You think the Liam Wilson scale was
fiddled? It was fiddled. It had to have been.
Liam Wilson has never weighed 126 pounds in his
life. And conveniently, he chooses to, like,
conveniently, he shows up at 126 pounds, like,
the same day that Navarrete, like, barely squeezes
under the scales. He's also a fucking weight
bully, too. I bet you, I'm hearing to you, he's,
like, 160, dude. Yeah. Well, like, he's been
looking fat lately, too, which is, like, how
do you look fat? Like, how do you show up to
fight? Like, you show up emaciated to the weigh
-in, and then you show up kind of chubby the
next day. Crazy. I don't know how the fuck you
eat that. Like, I was gonna say, like, even guys
like Rowley, like, I've seen Rowley show up at
180 for a fight at 135, but, like, he's still
got his six -pack, right? Like, he's not fat.
He's just heavy. He's just heavy? Like, yeah,
he's... Rowley's a mad weight bully, but also,
like, I have no idea how bad Navarrete does it,
where he has actual, like, love handles. Yeah,
he did in this fight. I couldn't stop looking
at him. It's so frustrating because you're like,
this guy is kind of stinky. If he had different
matchmaking, he probably still wouldn't have
a world title. Why do you think he's being protected
by top rank? Let's ask that question. He's a
Mexican fighter in the lower weight classes.
And top rank doesn't have many. Especially at
the time he came around. Like, if you look, if
you remember his fights, his fight with, uh,
Isaac Dogway, like, basically, they had him and
Valdez for lower weight class, like, Latin American
fighters. That was really, yeah, you're right.
Because, like, they didn't really... Because,
like, yeah, like, you can technically say guys
like Burchelt were around, but, like, Burchelt
wasn't really a super top -ranked aligned one.
Yeah. Like, you have Valdez and you have Navarrete
when they built him. And even now, like, yeah,
they have Moritaya and everything, but, like,
Navarrete still sells tickets. Somewhat, yeah.
So... People still tune in. Like, clearly there's
a monetary incentive to keeping him in world
title business. But also, like, I just, like,
I just think he also just has really good luck
that, like, there's been so many opportunities
for him to just, like, he gets that nod. Because
it can't all have been blatant corruption, right?
There's some incompetence in there, too. You
also might be favored by God. Yeah. He's got
the heavenly mandate to hold on to the WBO forever.
Gross. Gross. Charlie Suarez should have won
that fight. Literally fucking punched him in
the face. Whatever. They'll probably run it back
and then Navarrete will win a weird decision.
Unanimous. Yeah, weird unanimous decision while
weighing in at, like, 220 on fight night. Charlie
Suarez happens to magically weigh in at, like,
120. Yeah. Like, I swear, like, you notice that,
like, every time they, like, you can tell when
the scale is rigged and when it isn't because
whenever the scale, like... isn't rigged this
is the most conspiracy theory i'll ever get in
my life by the way and it's about emmanuel navarrete
let's hear it but basically like you notice he
like every time you get a news report of oh he
almost passed out or he failed his first way
and it's always like his opponent weighs in fine
and when it's like whenever he doesn't struggle
his opponent is like suspiciously liked or it's
valdez he's another fucking weight bully Well,
why would they have the opponent weigh less?
Let me ask you that. Well, because it's the same
scale. They dial the scale down so that Nav can
make weight. Especially because they use digital
scales nowadays. You put a bit of weight on the
scale, you zero it, and then it doesn't register
that. So you're calling Nav a fatty then? Have
you seen him in the ring? He is a fatty! I'm
trying to get a rise out of Josh. I just want
to hear him get mad. No, he is a fatty, bro.
I want to hear him get mad. I like angry Josh.
Angry Josh is awesome. This is bleak. This is
the only time I'll get actually mad, too. Like,
what the fuck? I guarantee you they're going
to have a Nav versus Keyshawn fight. Please,
bro. I need Keyshawn to win that. They're going
to do something like that, dude. They're going
to cash Nav out soon, probably, because he's
30, and you can't keep doing this shit, hopefully.
You know, maybe I'll be surprised. I'll be 40,
and he'll be like 50, and I'll be like, God damn
it, does this guy still have the WBO title? He
can't keep getting away with it. Then you'll
come back and have a... Do you have a comeback
run, too, with Top Rank? Fuck it, bro. I'll go
on Ozempic and beat him myself if I'm 40 and
this guy still has a title. Yeah, you probably
would be him. If this guy still has a title when
I'm 40, I'll come back, bro. Fuck. Oh, well,
that's why I'm out of steam now. Let's go into
the previews. No, there's Sunday. Sunday had
some stuff. Yeah. I only picked up two of them.
Hayato Tsutsumi stops Jaime Arboleda in this
third. And Puma Martinez UD over Kazuto Ioka.
No surprises there. Did you watch this one? No,
I didn't. I haven't found a way to get on it.
I parted this shit. And I mean, I bought this
legally. They suck the money out of my ass. They
suck the money out of my ass for this. Honestly?
Closer than the... I think the 113 -114 card
is the correct one. Really? Razor thin. Well,
it's like... Again. I'm not going to say that
Ioka was hard done because in close fights like
that, it can go either way. Like a fight, like
nice competitively fought. It really depends
what you look for in a round and then you shade
it. That decides who it gets shaded towards.
But also consider that Ioka is not the most friendly
with the Japanese commission. He's from Osaka.
They don't like him. They don't like Osaka people.
They don't like Yoko much. The commission. Yoko's
had his beefs with the Japanese commission. So,
not to say that he got hard done by, because
no, Fernando Martinez totally won that fight.
But also, it would make sense if the commission
put judges that are more friendly to Martinez's
style. Their styles are pretty similar, aren't
they? Yeah. Clobbering types. Clobbering types,
but I guess it's more of a... You know what I
mean? Judges that would be more sympathetic towards
Martinez. Yeah, I see what you mean. And how
he operates. It probably was a good fight, though.
It was a good fight. Better than the first one,
actually. Oh, that first one had the 120 card.
108 cards? How can you make it more clear that
you just fucking hate the Yoka? That's what I
mean, though. It's not like it's an alien concept
for Yoka to get fucking jobbed in Japan because
they don't like him. But that's just explaining
the disparity in the cards. I'm sure they could
easily bid 2 -0 a Yoka or 1 -1 a piece in a neutral
location. Because these are razor -thin fights.
But it is what it is. Ioka is old. Old as fuck,
actually, for super flyweight. He's 36, I think.
Yes. But he can still fight Estrada and stuff.
There's still guys. Oh, Estrada's aged out as
well. Estrada's also old. Like, I'm not saying
Yoka should go fight Bam because, like, come
on, man. It's not happening. Don't do that. Not
happening. All right. But Bam versus Toro, though?
Hell, he can run it back with Kosei Tanaka, too.
That was a fun fight the first time. Kosei Tanaka,
I like him. He comes to rumble. Yeah. Like, there's
still options for Yoka. This doesn't have to
be the end just because he lost to, like, close
close decisions um is fighting the uh african
dude that beat jose tanaka listen man bam bam's
in a situation where like He's basically beaten
all the guys at his relative division, but he's
also pretty small, so he can only move up so
much. And then move up? Fight Nakatani? Yeah.
I rate Nakatani. I love Bam, but Nakatani is...
Be too big. A demon. He's a demon. I think Bam.
Honestly. Yeah. I think Bam would win the fight.
I think it'd be a fun fight. Fun as fuck. But
also... For sure, for sure. Nakatani is pretty
huge. And it's not just his size. Like, he definitely...
Are you insinuating that? I'm going to go over
here and make a boxing fucking circle. Do you
regret it? Oh, man. I'm just saying Nakatani
is not only a big boy for 118. He has definitely
bigger reach than Bam. It's just the count. If
he can sneak a counter in, it's so... Bam, Bam.
I'm not sure Bam can take it. I think he can
take it. Honestly, he can. A couple, though.
Only a couple. Yeah, I was about to say, it's
like... You gotta say that Bam also... Bam could
also counter a lot, too. Bam is great at countering.
So... I think it'd be a good fight, but... It
would be a great... I think it would be... It
could either go the way of Spence versus Sean
Porter. Actually, maybe it might just go the
way of Spence versus Sean Porter, honestly. I
don't know. Again, still, like, the Nakatani
moment that sticks out in my head, even as he
racks up even more knockouts and stoppages, is
still, like, him fucking, like, killing Andrew
Maloney. Oh, God, that was a scary -ass knockout.
Yeah, like, you just, like, he just rolled in
the entire fight. Wasn't competitive. Last round,
Maloney's going for it. As best as he can, he's
ragged, and Nakatani just calmly steps back and
puts him out the pasture. I swear, this guy couldn't
even breathe. Didn't even breathe for a couple
seconds after getting caught like that. I thought
he was seriously hurt. Yeah, no, like... It's
not just... Okay, yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was just
gonna say that Puma should probably look at whoever
the IBF champ is, because Bam is unifying. titles
i'm yeah kafu is fun but like you're not on bam's
level and we're gonna see oh yeah we're gonna
see like there's levels to this it's gonna be
one of those situations well i mean you never
know bam's special we've known bam was special
since uh he came in on short notice against quadris
and just obliterated him yeah like Not just like
Merc them in like, this is a young guy at the
age, at the division. It's like, holy shit, he's
sick. He's sick as fuck. Killed him. Killed the
queen right there. Same with, what's his name?
Rungusai. Yeah. I just pulled up the Nakatani
knockout and oh my god, bro, he's twitching on
the ground for a good couple seconds after that.
Bleeding out his mouth. Bleeding from his nose.
And his eyes. That was fucking scary, man. Scary,
yeah. And it was calm, too. It's not even like
Nakatani rushed it or anything. Just a perfect
shot. Oh, my God. Anyways, let's go to the...
Is that it for the reviews? That's it for the
recaps. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let me do one of these.
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still fighting? Maxie Hughes versus Archie Sharp.
This is GBM Sports. It's gonna be on DAZN. It's
like when you auto -generate a character. Archie
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2K, but it's a boxer. Fight Night. British boxer.
Fight Night champion, like, you just pick British
boxer. Lightweight. I know Maxie Hughes is still
fighting. How old is he? 35. 35? Old enough to
still be fighting, apparently. Yeah. Young enough,
rather. Fuck. He's still around. No, I guess
it wasn't. Yeah. Go ahead. Terry Harper versus
Natalie Zimmerman. WBO lightweight title on the
line. And Ticey... Is this like a female version
of Tyson? Ticey Gallagher versus Ebony Jones.
I think that's an IBF trinket. I check. No, British
title. Okay, it's British. I mean, good for Terry
Harper for still fighting. How old is she? 28,
but the thing, like, consider, remember her story
was that she was working at Tesco, and then her
coach is like, we really need, like, a female
boxer. We need somebody to step up. Yeah, we
need someone to step up. Like, come back. Come
back to boxing. And then, like, good for her.
She's still around. Especially after that, like,
year she took off after Baumgartner had her looking
into the stars. Oh, you said Baumgartner, not...
Baumgartner. Yeah. No, that Baumgartner one was...
Stoppage. Big time. Good stoppage from the referee,
actually. She's still kicking. Good for her.
Have any of you guys seen Zimmerman? Is she any
good? I have not. I have not either. She hasn't
had an opponent with a winning record yet. Wait
a second. I have mentioned Zimmerman before.
It was a title fight. that she was on yeah the
adina kiss one yeah i'm looking on a box right
here okay okay but i've never seen her fight
i just know no she's uh this is this is a friday
british card through and through uh usually american
uh friday cards are pretty okay They're enjoyable,
but this is fucking rough. This is some rough
shit, man. It's because all the guys that used
to be the default, like Eddie Hearn puts them
on a card that keep them exciting are all retired.
Terry Flanagan. Gone is like Ted Cheeseman, bro.
Or this would be a Dave Allen card. This is the
card that they put Dave Allen on to sell pay
-per -views in 2016. Back when they were still
on Sky Sports, they go like, yeah, David Allen's
fighting some Bulgarian guy who just clocked
out of a construction job. It's the greatest
fight part of the year. And then Dave Allen struggles
to beat him. Really competitive, this one. Yeah,
then Dave Allen's like, fuck, I'm too fat. Fuck,
I'm too fat. I need to train more. And then he
never trains more. I remember one time hearing
that Eddie Heard actually said that he thought
Usyk vs. Fury was going to be horrible before
it actually happened. But in all the promos,
he was like, oh, this is a monumental fight waiting
to happen for 25 years. Great fight, great fight.
That's going to happen tonight. He literally
admitted that he thought Usyk vs. Fury was going
to be bad. It's crazy, huh? We had a famous Eddie
Heard quote being that Dave Allen was only two
fights away from AJ. Dave Allen is only two fights
away from AJ. He's only two fights away from
AJ right now, technically. AJ just needs two
more losses and then it'll be worth it. Maybe
one more fight. Dave Allen wins and AJ loses
again. Yeah, maybe. We're almost there. We're
back to the two fight. Yeah, we're back in that
state. AJ's fallen that far. You know what? I
kind of like him. He's like my dirty little secret.
I like making fun of him. I don't hate him. I
think he's the only promoter that actually sells
fighters now. You know what I mean? Like properly.
I mean... He's the face of Matchroom. You see
him in all the interviews and such. You know
what I mean? I don't think that's a good thing,
though, because then, like, you're not as invested.
You're not building the fighters. You're just
building your brand. Well, I think, I mean, he's
kind of got some good fighters. You know what
I mean? The promotion isn't very good. Like,
the way that we have talked about it before is,
like, this guy is really good. Oh, yeah, of course.
I just mean, like, you just know he's amazing.
I understand he's a good way to be the face of
your promotion, but the thing is that promoting
the fights themselves is a separate issue. Like,
again, PBC always nails it with the storytelling.
Yeah, but imagine if Al Heyman was like the face.
It wouldn't be the same. I know. So we care about
the fighters and their stories. We don't care
about Al Heyman and whatever the fuck he's up
to. Well, I mean, like Bob Arum and fucking Don
King did it back in the day, you know what I
mean? Yeah, but even Arum always took a backseat
to, like, when he had, like, his real stars.
Like, Bob Arum would always take a bit of a backseat.
Like, he never made himself the face of an Ali
promotion. Don King, though? Don King always
did, but that's because he was the one keeping
most of the money. Don King was like the turkey.
Yeah, fuck. Except good. Well, not good. Good.
Yeah, good. That's... Wait, wait, wait. Good's
a tough one, bro. Like, you gotta ask Tim Witherspoon
if he's good. He's horrible. No, he's horrible.
He's horrible. I mean, like, he put on some great
fights, though. He put on great fights. Yeah.
That's all I meant. Oh, he's a horrible person.
Fuck, dog. No. Okay, you know what? Oh, my God.
Bro, the people... I'm getting... I'm getting
canceled from boxing, bro. It's... I like Eddie
Hearn and Don King is good. Those are some doozies
right there. Oh, my God. This is my retirement
podcast, bro. This is my retirement podcast.
We're now hiring. It's actually, oh, God, I didn't
mean like that, though. Y 'all know I didn't
mean like that. Come on. Y 'all know I did not
mean like that. Oh, my God. Can you please tell
me that you guys know I didn't mean like that?
Well, I mean, listen, man. Listen, man. When
I listen to this podcast back when it comes out,
I'll tell you what it sounded like. Ah, shit.
I'll call in being like, what the fuck is this
Alex guy still doing on the show? I'm good. I
am good. Oh, you want to tell me I'm wrong? Because
I know I'm wrong, but you can tell me I'm wrong.
I'm not. No, I don't need to say Don King is
bad. That's like... Wait, wait. You know what?
That was just a play to get people to call, though.
That was just a play to get people to call. 833
Lux Pods. I am not... Ah, shit. Okay. Oh, God.
I feel like Teal right now, except I regret it.
You're right. I have remorse. I have remorse.
I was just like, Teal, but... You know what I
forgot last week? What? We had a message. Oh,
play the message now. I can't play it into Teams.
You can read it. Yeah, it says, hi, this is Matt.
Like, first time, long time kind of thing. I
wanted to talk about Canelo, about the Canelo
versus, oh, this is a bad transcription. It says
Canelo versus the girl fight. That would have
been more fun than Canelo's skull. Yeah, and
how boring it was. I expected better from what
is supposed to be the face of the sport. I don't
know. Let me... This transcription fucking sucks.
I don't know what gave him the idea it's okay
to go the distance with someone like that. That's
not on his level, but... I'm not pleased. It's
fucking disgusting, is the word. Whatever they
said, they're very correct. Yeah. They're very
correct. Very valid. Thanks, Matt. That was very
nice of you. We love you, Matt. ProBuck's good.
ProBuck's good, Matt. Matt good, ProBuck's good.
Hell yeah. Please call in again to yell at Alex.
Don King is... Not great. No, I know Don King.
That was a slip -up, bro. You said Don King was
good, bro. It'll be in the podcast. Oh, my God.
You said it. I'm done. It's over. It's over.
Oh, my God. We're getting canceled. We're getting
canceled now. God, speaking of getting canceled,
Josh Taylor is here in the next event. We skipped
Angelo Leo. Yeah, Angelo Leo is fighting Tomoki
Kameda, IBF featherweight title on the line.
I don't really know who these other people are.
The IBF minimum weight title will be on the line
in the, I think, the co -main. Honestly, this
looks a lot like a top -ranked card. Where's
he be held at, Angelo Leo? Osaka. Osaka, Japan.
Interesting fight. Now he's fighting El Mexicanito.
Moki Kaneda. Yeah, his Spanish is actually pretty
damn good. Yeah, good for him, man. I think he
and his brothers live, or at least train, in
Mexico. Yeah. Listen, man, it's not a bad tariff.
These Japan cards are always more fun than they
look on paper. Yeah, better than that Friday
shit Maxie Hughes is headlining. Yeah, like,
why the fuck isn't this on... Why can't they
suck the money out of my ass for this one? Dude,
you know what? It's so stupid how the Japanese
streaming services work. Like, you can't... You
have to have a Japanese IP. No, but it's not
even, like, just sell the rights, man. Yeah,
to somebody. Just sell the rights. Like, Probox
would probably pick that shit up and fill their
schedule. It's a title fight. It's two title
fights. ESPN would love to have it. Yeah, like,
Top Rank doesn't have to put Emmanuel Navarrete
on shit anymore if you have this. So you can't
sign up if you don't have a Japanese IP. you
sign up you try to sign up you need to have a
japanese phone number there's a website that
gives you like a temporary number that you could
do for like the text registration then you have
to have a japanese bank account or because like
you're my i tried to put my card information
in there it says like yeah we only accept japanese
banks yeah you're married your filthy american
dollar is not welcome for our product no fucking
kidding man i can't watch this shit I can't pay
you. I want to... I want... I am presenting my
ass to have the money sucked out. Like, come
on, bro. What? We're stuck watching fucking Maxie
Hughes. I want to watch Tomoki Kameda and Angelo
Leo. Even if the fight sucked, the venue was
pretty enough to, like, at least, like, hey,
it's a fun venue to look at. But the fights don't
suck. So, like, come on. Instead, on the same
day, we're watching the ghost of Josh Taylor
and a bunch of fucking... There's one good fight
on this damn card. Hey, Tom. Yeah, Tom was fighting
someone like Balrog or something, bro. Balogun?
Balogun. He lost to Gassiev in, like, two years
ago. I don't know. At least Atom was fighting.
That's the exciting part. I don't care about
the rest of this card. Josh Taylor's old. Josh
Taylor is old and he's still at 140 for some
reason. I thought this was at 147. No, no, it's
at 147. He finally moved up. Yeah. But, like,
really? He's only 34. Yeah, but he's an old 34.
He's an old, old 34. Because it's not like, again,
it's not his defense that ever carried him in
these fights. It was always his heart and general
ranginess. Discipline. Remember how pro -grade
made his eye look? No. The picture of him holding
the Ali trophy where the bruise over his eye
is like, the fucking boy like a like a mump or
a boil over his face like in the cartoons yeah
literally that's i mean like he's never been
uh and he's taken a good amount of punishment
in his last three three fights because like jack
kettle beat him the first time and they robbed
them Teofimo Lopez put belt to ass, and then
Jack Catterall also put belt to ass and fouled
him a bunch. Like, he's got a lot of miles on
the clock. I will never bring another fighter
to Britain. Oh, my God. Look at his eye. He doesn't
even have one. Yeah, like, that's what I mean.
He's got miles on the clock, and he probably
spent too long at 140. So, make what you will.
He's probably still going to beat this guy. Ekau
Esuman. Ekau Esuman, yeah. But, like, it's not
going to be pretty because Josh Taylor's a bit
of a mauling, fouling fighter. But, I mean, he'll
get some WBO trinket to stay in the mix. So,
there's that. Do we care that much about Nathaniel
Collins and Lee McGregor? Fuck no. Not really.
They're both Brit -level guys who will win or
lose, still stay around Brit -level. They're
not going to beat Nick Ball, but they can probably
wait for Nick Ball to lose and pick up the trinkets
that he drops from that. Pick up the loot? Yeah,
basically. Man. Someone has to fill the rankings.
Someone has to fill the rankings in. Like Britain's
Rocha and Korea. Yeah, if there's some British
listener or Irish, Scottish, whatever. United
Kingdom listener. British Isles. Why should I
care? It's about Nathaniel Collins and or Lee
McGregor. Also, tell us why Don King is bad.
He is bad, by the way. He's very bad. That's
a backtrack from... Look, the woke left has forced
him to admit that Don King is bad. I always thought
that. I just thought he put on good fights. You
can't deny that, dude. Yeah, I know. The way
it came out was just really funny. That's definitely
not going to be on Patreon. That's definitely
going to go to the main. That's going to the
main. You know the one where he's like, you need
to leave. Like TikTok audio. That's going to
go viral. Yeah, that's the clip you put on social
media. I'm getting clipped right there. Bro,
like, Don King has a fucking Wikipedia article
about lawsuits and prosecutions. Has his own
lawsuits page? Yeah, on Wikipedia. All lawsuits
and prosecutions. Yeah. He got investigated for
being connected to John Gotti. The IRS stole
$32 ,000 from his house because he didn't fucking
pay it. Wait, wait, okay, okay, okay. You guys,
like, flew me with it, right? Yeah. You're just
moving the goalposts, man. Don King stomped the
guy to death over $600, bro. He beat his wife.
Mayweather beat his wife. Don King stomped the
guy to death, bro. You guys are getting paid
by Mayweather, dog. I wish. He beat his wife,
and you guys have not mentioned that. That got
cut from one of the podcast ones. Nah, man, because
it's not relevant. I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather
is the paragon of morality here. I'm definitely
not moving the goalpost. This is moving the goalpost.
I'm definitely not moving the goalpost. You guys
are just getting paid off by big Mayweather promotions.
Nah, bro. Like, here's Wikipedia, bro. The Mayweather
Industrial Complex. Yeah. In 1967, King was convicted
of voluntary manslaughter for stomping one of
his employees to death because he owed him $600.
Yeah, Don King's horrible. I know, Don King's
horrible, bro. I know, I know. I'm about to go
to, like, the Fox News of Boxing podcast. Yeah.
We're moving this podcast to Rumble. I'm not
going to shoot a bullet at another fucking podcast.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I'm going to
shut the fuck up. You know what? At least we
filled it. We didn't need to break in any of
the filler with that. No. Didn't need to break
glass on this one. We'll probably have to break
it in a couple weeks with this. We'll have to
talk about the previews of this. The recaps of
these weekends. Yeah. I'm sorry for the listeners
who had to listen to this. I'm going to talk
about the NBA playoffs if it's that bleak. I
usually have that up top, like if it's something
I recognize, if it's a team I know or a team
I kind of sort of care about. NBA draft is rigged,
by the way. They gave Dallas the fucking first
pick. What? The draft lottery was today. The
Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick. Didn't
they just get that really good Serbian guy? No,
they traded him away. They lost the Serbian guy,
that's right. For nothing. They traded him for
the ghost of Anthony Davis and a pack of peanuts.
And then they got rewarded with Cooper flags,
so they got another generational guy. Horrible,
horrible stuff. But anyways, is that all? That
is. That is all the boxing. Yeah, let me make
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Noises. Parting words. Yeah. No, that's where
like the be sure to leave a rating and review
and follow the social media. Blah, blah, blah.
All that stuff. Yeah. But parting words. We're
heading into Bleak Week. Bleak Weekend. Bleak
End. Ah, good one. Bleak End. I'm getting cancelled.
Oh, yeah. I'm going to get replaced by, like,
Isaac again. Let's get Isaac back on the podcast,
dog. Nah, we got to bring... We got to get Angelo
in. Angelo. Let's see if we can drag him out.
I don't know what that guy is. Let's see if we
can drag Angelo out. He wouldn't come on here.
He wouldn't? Damn. You gotta pay him for that.
Uh, Noir on the Discord. Wait, what's his name?
Noir. Have you seriously not talked to him, bro?
Noir? Yeah, he's like, he's not the owner of
the Discord, but he's not. Well, no, because
I know he has the other one, the Sunday Punchers.
Yeah. He doesn't even do that one. What do you
mean? He's still on. I thought he was still on
it. He only posted to Patreon, which I do not
pay for. I add myself to the Patreon channel,
but I don't pay for it. Listen, he's tried to
kick me out of the Patreon channel repeatedly.
It's not happening. Wait, so wait. Why do you
want him back, Josh? Why do you want him on here?
I don't know, because he doesn't think Don King
is good. Awkward. I don't know, man. I don't
know, man. I was just thinking of potential replacements
for when the woke mob cancels you, Alex. Yeah,
the woke boxing mob. The woke boxing mob. Bring
RGF back, too. First day... First they came for
Teofimo and I said nothing because he's a fucking
racist. And then they came for Alex and I also
said nothing because I disagree with... I disagree
with Dodd King being good. You know what? No,
I didn't mean it like that, though. I did not
mean it like that. You know what? I know. You
know what? You know what? This is the only good
thing about it because Devin Haney is going to
do some stupid bullshit again. Devin Haney and
Ryan Garcia is going to do some bullshit and
it's going to... No one's going to know about
this. God, imagine the era. Imagine the era where
instead of getting paid too much, Don King would
have been robbing those guys. Yeah. Honestly,
I would love Don King to rob Demi Haney. Yeah.
It would have been the only thing he would do.
Parting words, Provox good, Ryan good. Eat more
ramen. That's true. Put the ramen ad right in
the middle of the closing words. If that's all
we got, then that's it for this edition of the
Boxing B -Sides. B -Sides.