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Did Thrinco de Mayo just happen? 00:00:59.810 --> 00:01:03.649 Yes, it did. Are we talking about it today? No. 00:01:04.890 --> 00:01:06.689 You're going to have to tune in next time, Dragon 00:01:06.689 --> 00:01:10.969 Ball Z fans. Once again, we're going to skip 00:01:10.969 --> 00:01:14.650 over the MMA stuff, but doesn't mean you shouldn't 00:01:14.650 --> 00:01:17.450 check it out. If you're of the persuasion or 00:01:17.450 --> 00:01:20.310 if you're curious about checking out MMA, Ultimate 00:01:20.310 --> 00:01:22.989 F 'ing Casuals, you'll find us. Wherever you're 00:01:22.989 --> 00:01:25.349 listening to this, you'll find us there too. 00:01:27.099 --> 00:01:29.780 So, let's get into... We only have one recap, 00:01:30.060 --> 00:01:32.420 and this one I think is going to get fucking 00:01:32.420 --> 00:01:38.420 spicy. Oh my god. Let me clear out the bottom 00:01:38.420 --> 00:01:41.219 of the card first. Vidal Riley, UD over Shavon 00:01:41.219 --> 00:01:46.200 Clark. Chris Billum -Smith, also UD over Brandon 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.359 Glanton. Which one were you... Josh, you were 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.079 talking about one of those two. Was it Glanton 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.390 or... I think it would be fun. Yeah, I'm not 00:01:56.390 --> 00:01:58.370 saying you were called a win or anything, but 00:01:58.370 --> 00:02:04.310 you had high expectations. Again, Glenn's just 00:02:04.310 --> 00:02:07.290 not good enough, but Will Smith, it's not like 00:02:07.290 --> 00:02:13.750 he made it boring. Aaron McKenna beats Liam Smith. 00:02:13.990 --> 00:02:17.090 It's kind of sad. The old war horse finally had 00:02:17.090 --> 00:02:22.419 one too many. No, he's the trap for now. Yeah, 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.360 that's the stage. He was in the hamper, and he 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:29.419 was hanging on for dear life, but not no more. 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:35.740 It's Oprah. Hopefully. Hopefully he hangs it 00:02:35.740 --> 00:02:42.699 up before the sport makes him. And co -main Anthony 00:02:42.699 --> 00:02:46.979 Yard versus Lyndon Arthur. Anthony Yard wins 00:02:46.979 --> 00:02:52.810 again. Can this fucking rivalry be done? I actually 00:02:52.810 --> 00:02:57.650 had a pleasant surprise. Not that it went well, 00:02:57.810 --> 00:03:01.569 but the Yard actually looked like he could box. 00:03:02.789 --> 00:03:07.490 True, he did show different dimensions. Yard's 00:03:07.490 --> 00:03:11.949 career has been heroic stands against the top 00:03:11.949 --> 00:03:14.889 of the division or beating the shit out of scrubs. 00:03:19.559 --> 00:03:23.340 So getting like an actual win against someone 00:03:23.340 --> 00:03:30.599 who isn't in like 600th in the world. That's 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.340 a good, good point. Looking good is pleasant. 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.379 All right. Okay. That's a little better. I still 00:03:39.379 --> 00:03:43.919 like for this rivalry to end. We don't have to 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.680 do this shit anymore. The yard, Arthur, that 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.599 story's over. But there's still... Boring story, 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.620 too. There's a lot of good options for Anthony 00:03:55.620 --> 00:04:03.759 Yard. Let me... Ben Whitaker. Forgot about that. 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.659 Ben Whitaker, you're right. That's a Ben Whitaker 00:04:07.659 --> 00:04:16.540 room. Looking at these options here... Just on 00:04:16.540 --> 00:04:19.439 BoxRec, take the rankings with a grain of salt. 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:26.540 So, Yard is at 10. Zack Parker at 9. Albert Ramirez 00:04:26.540 --> 00:04:32.699 is at 8. I'm not sure who that is. Vozdik at 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:38.139 7. Boazzi at 6. Morell, Callum Smith, Beterbiev, 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:42.420 Beeble, and Benavidez. Yard vs. Smith wouldn't 00:04:42.420 --> 00:04:45.910 be a bad fight. well for British people probably 00:04:45.910 --> 00:04:48.050 no yeah that would be a good like all British 00:04:48.050 --> 00:04:52.490 thing yeah I think Tom would take that fight 00:04:52.490 --> 00:05:03.689 but my opinion uh now main event gonna try my 00:05:03.689 --> 00:05:05.629 best to moderate this one so you guys don't get 00:05:05.629 --> 00:05:11.449 too too out of pocket here oh my god so Chris 00:05:11.449 --> 00:05:16.509 Eubanks Jr. Gets the UD over Conor Benn. It's 00:05:16.509 --> 00:05:24.689 8 -4, 8 -4, and 7 -5, I think it was. Were the 00:05:24.689 --> 00:05:28.250 cards... They were a little too close. You took 00:05:28.250 --> 00:05:30.430 that pretty clearly. Right. I was going to say, 00:05:30.509 --> 00:05:33.990 were they emblematic of the fight? No. It was 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:38.449 a really competitive fight, but it was not at 00:05:38.449 --> 00:05:43.379 all close. 8 -4. 8 -4 is like best case scenario 00:05:43.379 --> 00:05:49.000 for Conor Benn, in my opinion. Chris Eubank just 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:52.920 did everything better. He's bigger. He's smarter. 00:05:53.160 --> 00:06:00.560 Not necessarily faster. Was he stronger? Because 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.199 Benn landed some solid shots on him. Of course. 00:06:03.939 --> 00:06:07.279 He's a rear middleweight, super middleweight. 00:06:09.709 --> 00:06:13.050 A really shitty welterweight moving up. Exactly. 00:06:14.329 --> 00:06:17.790 Now, you both have different opinions of how 00:06:17.790 --> 00:06:22.649 you perceived this. So, Josh, I want to start 00:06:22.649 --> 00:06:26.569 with you. I thought the fight was fun. I'm not 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:28.750 going to say the fight wasn't fun or like fight 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.350 of the year material, but it's been a slow year 00:06:31.350 --> 00:06:36.589 so far. I will say that... The fight had no right 00:06:36.589 --> 00:06:39.069 to go the way it was. Like, they both had to 00:06:39.069 --> 00:06:42.629 suck in different ways for the fight to go out 00:06:42.629 --> 00:06:45.810 like that. Like, if there were any other actually 00:06:45.810 --> 00:06:49.610 okay middleweight, Ben would have been gone. 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:54.589 But also, like, I acknowledge Eubank was dried 00:06:54.589 --> 00:06:59.350 up as shit. And, like, if you're Conor Benn, 00:06:59.430 --> 00:07:02.269 how the fuck do you not even drop the skeleton, 00:07:02.449 --> 00:07:07.240 the skeleton of a man at least once? He was close, 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:11.120 though. He was close, but, like, also, like, 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.620 like, I don't know. Like, it went as good as 00:07:14.620 --> 00:07:16.399 a fight between a really shitty middleweight 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.459 and a really shitty welterweight can go. Was 00:07:20.459 --> 00:07:26.740 it the Hagler Leonard? Hagler. Hagler Leonard? 00:07:26.899 --> 00:07:32.040 No way. The shit version of Hagler Leonard. It 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.610 was, like, the shit version of Homo. Maybe a 00:07:35.610 --> 00:07:38.350 shit version of the second one. I just don't 00:07:38.350 --> 00:07:42.790 know. Yeah. I just don't know how Eubank couldn't 00:07:42.790 --> 00:07:46.949 even drop Dan, bro. That's crazy. Like, this 00:07:46.949 --> 00:07:50.329 fight should not have, like, the way it went 00:07:50.329 --> 00:07:52.490 for Eubank, it should not have even been close 00:07:52.490 --> 00:07:55.209 to competitive. He just, like, I get he's winning 00:07:55.209 --> 00:07:58.870 winnings, but also, come on, bro. Anything more? 00:07:59.149 --> 00:08:02.550 Hold in. Before we, uh... I just... You know, 00:08:02.589 --> 00:08:05.769 my too long, my recap is, like, the fight was 00:08:05.769 --> 00:08:10.149 fun, but it was really shitty. So you can pass 00:08:10.149 --> 00:08:14.509 it over to Alex. Let her rip. I agree completely 00:08:14.509 --> 00:08:16.310 with Josh. I don't know if you guys want me to 00:08:16.310 --> 00:08:18.069 argue with him or not. That's what I thought 00:08:18.069 --> 00:08:21.569 was going to happen. I thought you were going 00:08:21.569 --> 00:08:24.529 to argue with me. No, like, I just want to talk 00:08:24.529 --> 00:08:25.850 about the fight. It was really, really good. 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:28.500 it was it was the thing is it was a shitty it 00:08:28.500 --> 00:08:30.319 was a shitty fight with two shitty fighters but 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.820 man that's why i was like oh we're gonna disagree 00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:38.240 and the thing is we were all dogging on him but 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:39.980 we were all dogging on both fighters and honestly 00:08:39.980 --> 00:08:43.799 like there's still shit but man that was a fight 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.179 between two shitty fighters and that's like the 00:08:47.179 --> 00:08:51.519 average pro box card man hey hey listen man this 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.200 is probably be connor ben Honestly, yeah, like 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.399 Kelvin Davis, bro. An actual pro box middleweight 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.860 who doesn't punch with the strength of a grandma's 00:09:02.860 --> 00:09:05.159 gentle kiss on the forehead, you'd probably get 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.279 Conor Benn out of there. I mean, it was a fight 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.080 that I think you could show a casual audience 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.139 and say, this is boxing right here. This is how 00:09:16.139 --> 00:09:19.179 it is, you know. It's like, yeah, it's like good. 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.539 To coerce them to watch the sport. Rocky movie. 00:09:22.659 --> 00:09:24.679 Yeah, but you got to say it's boxing. Because 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.379 if you say it's British boxing, they're going 00:09:26.379 --> 00:09:28.559 to kill themselves the first British card they 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.740 watch. Yeah. It was a damn good fight. It shouldn't 00:09:33.740 --> 00:09:36.019 have been that good at all. It was good. I liked 00:09:36.019 --> 00:09:40.740 it a lot. Well, fuck. I was expecting fireworks. 00:09:40.940 --> 00:09:42.620 I thought you guys were going to be talking about... 00:09:42.620 --> 00:09:46.320 I misinterpreted him saying it was good as him 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:49.299 interpreting the fighters as good. I think I 00:09:49.299 --> 00:09:52.480 did the same thing. I don't want to see Eubank 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.019 anywhere near Canelo, though. I want to see Eubank 00:09:55.019 --> 00:09:57.799 maybe fight Shiraz if he's going to fight someone 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:02.840 else worthy. Shiraz. I need Eubank at 168. I'm 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.580 sick of this game at 150 where he's always a 00:10:06.580 --> 00:10:08.879 top contender because the rest of the division 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.799 is just worse. Fuck Eubank. Fuck Conor Benn. 00:10:11.899 --> 00:10:15.200 I'm sick of this shit. I need boots to fight 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:19.350 Conor Benn. so that way Condor Ben can actually 00:10:19.350 --> 00:10:24.129 know what it is to get hit by opposition. Okay, 00:10:24.169 --> 00:10:26.730 Condor Ben versus Majumov. Eubank versus Jannabek. 00:10:27.169 --> 00:10:30.389 Eubank versus Jannabek. Eubank might die. I'm 00:10:30.389 --> 00:10:34.289 failing to see the downside. Okay, you're right, 00:10:34.370 --> 00:10:37.950 actually. Sorry, Chris, I didn't want you to 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:42.309 die, buddy. Eubank versus Jannabek. Gabby Pandora. 00:10:42.570 --> 00:10:46.539 No, I got no... The conclusions are... Either 00:10:46.539 --> 00:10:48.480 they should fight each other for the rest of 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.039 time or fight someone meaningful and then retire 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:56.179 because they lost so bad. Preferably the latter. 00:10:56.779 --> 00:10:59.759 Yeah. I don't know, man. If they fight each other 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.600 every six months for the rest of time, I don't 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.480 think it'd be that bad. I wouldn't complain. 00:11:05.539 --> 00:11:10.779 Every six months, we're guaranteed to get an 00:11:10.779 --> 00:11:13.919 alright fight between two shitters. But they're 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.970 levels of shit. Their variety of shit is different 00:11:17.970 --> 00:11:25.370 enough that it makes for a good time. The shit 00:11:25.370 --> 00:11:30.129 mixes well in the toilet. I was thinking of that 00:11:30.129 --> 00:11:35.509 episode of South Park where Cartman smears poop 00:11:35.509 --> 00:11:38.950 on everyone's walls as the Child Revenge Center 00:11:38.950 --> 00:11:46.480 of America smears all the walls with poop. Well, 00:11:46.580 --> 00:11:52.679 fuck. Guess that's that. A short podcast every 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:57.659 once in a while is not a bad thing. Yeah. What 00:11:57.659 --> 00:12:02.379 did you think, beloved listener? 833 -589 -7637. 00:12:02.659 --> 00:12:06.519 What did you think of Eubank vs. Ben? You can 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.659 always run all the ads back to back to back to 00:12:08.659 --> 00:12:15.409 back. Oh, yeah. Fill in time. I usually do. On 00:12:15.409 --> 00:12:17.129 short ones, I usually throw in like three or 00:12:17.129 --> 00:12:20.809 four instead of one or two. It's all right. This 00:12:20.809 --> 00:12:26.309 OTX one isn't that bad. No, it's all right. In 00:12:26.309 --> 00:12:28.509 our previews. Let's move into the previews here. 00:12:28.649 --> 00:12:30.909 We're going to start first with an overtime card. 00:12:31.049 --> 00:12:33.350 This one's going to be on DAZN. So if you have 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:36.850 a subscription, enjoy. I don't really know who 00:12:36.850 --> 00:12:39.830 these guys are. And overtime has not started 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:45.200 their 2025 tournament yet. But Andreas Katsourakis 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:51.679 won the 154 bracket last year. So that should 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.679 be enjoyable. He's fighting another undefeated 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:58.340 guy, Roberto Cruz. That's a pretty good watch. 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:04.519 Yeah, he's good. Pretty good for where he's at 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:11.970 in the promotional landscape. I don't know. Do 00:13:11.970 --> 00:13:14.250 you see anybody on the other ones? On the undercard, 00:13:14.309 --> 00:13:17.269 I mean? I mean, it's a start, man. I mean, I 00:13:17.269 --> 00:13:19.590 just, I can't speak on it until we've seen it 00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:22.590 more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man, this is 00:13:22.590 --> 00:13:24.990 going to be a short -ass podcast. It is. Yeah. 00:13:25.669 --> 00:13:30.330 Same day. Yeah. Go on. I don't know what to say. 00:13:30.610 --> 00:13:32.230 That's the thing. They're all like prospects. 00:13:32.330 --> 00:13:34.610 I'm like, these are all pro box cards. They're 00:13:34.610 --> 00:13:36.009 like, yeah, they're going to be cool to watch, 00:13:36.049 --> 00:13:39.789 but also I'm not invested. Yeah. I'm just going 00:13:39.789 --> 00:13:41.009 to be, like, watching it while I'm doing some 00:13:41.009 --> 00:13:45.370 work. Yeah, like, what is it? Andreas Katsarakis 00:13:45.370 --> 00:13:49.330 beat Brandon Adams. Yep. Pretty cool. That's 00:13:49.330 --> 00:13:57.750 a good win. Pretty cool. Good win. Yeah. I mean, 00:13:57.789 --> 00:14:00.629 Brandon Adams did beat Boa Chuck. Sparked him. 00:14:01.029 --> 00:14:04.590 Yeah. So, that's a good win. Katsarakis. But, 00:14:04.690 --> 00:14:07.429 like, otherwise, I'm like, my analysis goes that 00:14:07.429 --> 00:14:12.919 far. well then less analysis uh mdp that's jake 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:18.799 paul's outfit in orlando florida this is a most 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.940 valuable prospects series i think this is their 00:14:21.940 --> 00:14:30.539 12th or 13th card so these are all pro box level 00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:36.080 without the pro box quality matchmaking yeah 00:14:37.929 --> 00:14:44.450 So I'm not sure what to make of them. It's bad. 00:14:44.669 --> 00:14:47.629 Those two were on May 9th. On Saturday, May 10th, 00:14:47.629 --> 00:14:50.889 Queensberry at the Nottingham Arena. I think 00:14:50.889 --> 00:14:53.250 it's like the Motor Point or some fucking shit 00:14:53.250 --> 00:14:57.190 or other. I don't really care. There's a whole 00:14:57.190 --> 00:15:00.090 lot of fights on this card. There's not very 00:15:00.090 --> 00:15:05.710 many that stand out. Sam Noakes was a prospect. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.039 He's got a good record. He's been decent every 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.820 time I've seen him. But I can't really tell you 00:15:13.820 --> 00:15:19.200 who Patrick Balazs is. British guy. Hmm? British. 00:15:19.419 --> 00:15:22.080 Some British guy. I don't think he's British. 00:15:24.460 --> 00:15:28.000 Well, you know, he's fighting Sam Noakes on a, 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.240 what is it, maximum cards or Queensberry card. 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.240 Yeah. So that means he's British to me. So Euro 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:41.980 bum? Yep. Moving up to the other one I recognize, 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:48.080 Liam Davies versus Kurt Walker. Is Liam Davies 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.360 the dude that lost to Barroso? Ooh, I kind of 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.100 think you might be right. It's a Davies. No, 00:15:55.220 --> 00:15:58.500 it's not. It's a different Davies. Ohara Davies. 00:15:58.899 --> 00:16:06.559 You're right. He lost to Shabazz Massoud. Who 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:12.059 is fighting Peter McGrail? Really? In June. In 00:16:12.059 --> 00:16:19.240 June. Oh, that's a decent little scrap. Yeah. 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.240 Lee Wood still kicking it? I like this fight. 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:31.500 Yeah, Anthony Kakachi versus Lee Wood. Yeah, 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.539 I don't mind it. I think the IBO title is on 00:16:34.539 --> 00:16:38.340 the line here. The real title? Yeah, the one 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:41.539 that everyone cares about. Admiration is also 00:16:41.539 --> 00:16:47.019 on the line and equally valuable. The I, the 00:16:47.019 --> 00:16:55.320 obsolete title? The obsolete. Hey, Sam Noakes 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.679 is on this card. Yeah. Sam Noakes is on this 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.759 card and it's actually not that bad. Yeah, like 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.549 I said, it's a decent little scrap. Not sure 00:17:05.549 --> 00:17:08.369 who his opponent is, but Sam Noakes, he's decent. 00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:13.109 Yeah. Pretty standard British fare, but whatever. 00:17:13.730 --> 00:17:16.970 Yeah. This whole card is making me want to watch 00:17:16.970 --> 00:17:21.230 Pro Box. Yeah, where the fuck is Pro Box? Pro 00:17:21.230 --> 00:17:25.549 Box, come back to me. Let me make sure I didn't 00:17:25.549 --> 00:17:29.809 miss anything. Yeah, look at their website right 00:17:29.809 --> 00:17:33.450 now. I think the next one is actually Luba, right? 00:17:33.509 --> 00:17:37.509 Yeah, Luba. How did I fucking miss this? What 00:17:37.509 --> 00:17:40.509 is the matter with me? Yo, what the hell? That's 00:17:40.509 --> 00:17:43.210 the only highlight this entire week. Yeah, how 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:48.589 did I miss this? I am ashamed. Okay, we're hijacking 00:17:48.589 --> 00:17:54.369 this now. Provox at Silver Spurs Arena in Florida. 00:17:55.130 --> 00:18:00.049 Erickson Lubin fights Rodrigo Holmes Jr. Not 00:18:00.049 --> 00:18:02.950 related to Larry Holmes. Been saying it for ages. 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:05.910 I've been keeping up with Ardrell Holmes for 00:18:05.910 --> 00:18:09.289 a long time now. And I always bring him up, and 00:18:09.289 --> 00:18:11.609 one of the guys that used to be on the show would 00:18:11.609 --> 00:18:13.769 always be like, who the fuck is this? Why are 00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:17.849 you talking about him? Because, look, this guy's 00:18:17.849 --> 00:18:22.970 going to be on your TV screen soon. Yeah. You 00:18:22.970 --> 00:18:26.549 know what? Lubin isn't even that washed either. 00:18:26.849 --> 00:18:31.140 No, he's not. Lubin's still definitely a player 00:18:31.140 --> 00:18:36.680 here. Can they get stinky, unfortunately? Well, 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.799 you know what? It's pro box, so it's never stinky. 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:46.119 True. Exactly. We love pro box. Yeah. Hey, Darrell 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:50.880 Valsaint fights Rodolfo Arcozo, too. The Valsaint 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.400 boys are pretty solid. Like, they're all good 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.460 matchups. And like adequate matchups. I like 00:18:58.460 --> 00:19:04.220 it. Dominic Valle. Also good. I don't think Valle 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:08.660 is the brothers that I was thinking about. Yeah. 00:19:09.099 --> 00:19:14.400 Well matched. Well matched. That main is going 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.859 to be good. Say the same thing about Pro Box 00:19:17.859 --> 00:19:20.220 every time. You may not recognize their names, 00:19:20.420 --> 00:19:24.140 but you're getting quality matchups. That's usually 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:27.670 free. Yeah, Probox is good about that. Yeah, 00:19:27.730 --> 00:19:30.230 it'll be free. I'm pretty sure it'll be on their 00:19:30.230 --> 00:19:34.269 YouTube channel. Like, nothing. You're not gonna... 00:19:34.269 --> 00:19:37.009 It's on their website and their YouTube channel. 00:19:39.769 --> 00:19:42.250 Also, their app. They got an app. They got an 00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:45.490 app called Probox TV. It's probably the best 00:19:45.490 --> 00:19:50.009 quality shit you'll find. Consistently, at least. 00:19:50.690 --> 00:19:53.329 Seriously, this is the best card of the weekend. 00:19:55.420 --> 00:20:03.000 It's the same as those other two prospect cards. 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.279 I don't know who these people are, but if you 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.799 like knockouts... I understand Canelo's got to 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.380 be on Cinco de Mayo, but couldn't you have just 00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:21.119 put Brian Garcia on the next week? Continue your 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:26.519 Fatal Fury extravaganza. Yeah, like, come on. 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:28.519 You got two weeks of it instead of just one. 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:32.400 You can charge people twice. Yeah. Instead of 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.299 one and a half. Yeah. I think Maze is going to 00:20:35.299 --> 00:20:39.859 be a little better. Hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah. 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:41.180 Oh, yeah, I was going to say, hopefully. We're 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:42.880 talking about hopefully. We want to be, like, 00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:46.660 February again. Yeah. Oh, we want it. I thought 00:20:46.660 --> 00:20:51.039 you said it is going to be. I was like, oh. I 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:52.799 don't want to be like February, dude. We don't 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:58.480 want to be beer. And anything more for this Queensberry 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:04.660 card? Or for the Probox card? No. Alright, last 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:08.339 one. Sunday, May 11th. This starts at like fucking 00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:14.380 1 in the morning on the West Coast. It's Shisei 00:21:14.380 --> 00:21:20.319 Promotions. What? Did it say gymnasium? Yes. 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:30.960 Otashi Gymnasium. It was an Olympic thing. I 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.579 would say for this quality of fight, the gymnasium 00:21:34.579 --> 00:21:37.539 is criminal, but if it's a good venue, it's a 00:21:37.539 --> 00:21:40.119 good venue. It's a good venue. It's at the Ota 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:49.430 City gym in Ota City. From the bottom up, I've 00:21:49.430 --> 00:21:51.750 only got three of them on here. Are there more? 00:21:52.369 --> 00:21:56.710 Let me check, because I'm not sure. Yeah. Okay, 00:21:56.829 --> 00:22:00.769 so what I did was remove the ones that were TBA. 00:22:04.210 --> 00:22:07.609 So, starting from the bottom, this one I don't 00:22:07.609 --> 00:22:11.809 have listed. Masahiro Nakata vs. Zen Takeyama 00:22:11.809 --> 00:22:18.599 at Super Bantamweight. Daida Kira. Versus Jackson 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:26.619 Zapata. Yeah. Eight rounds at flyweight. Hayato 00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:30.680 Tsutsumi versus Jaime Arboleda. Ten round lightweights. 00:22:31.059 --> 00:22:36.559 And Fernando Martinez versus Kazuto Ioka. This 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:42.019 is for, I believe, the WBA super flyweight title. 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:45.259 But I thought it was going to be for the vacant 00:22:45.259 --> 00:22:51.329 IBF. Oh, good. I mean, they both fought for the 00:22:51.329 --> 00:22:53.670 IBF title last time, and then they stripped him, 00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:56.869 and now they get to fight for it again? Okay. 00:22:58.190 --> 00:23:01.650 Is it for the IBF titles as well, or no? Probably. 00:23:03.690 --> 00:23:07.470 Okay. Yeah, good fight. It is. The first one 00:23:07.470 --> 00:23:11.250 was really exciting. Even though they're smaller 00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:15.940 guys, it's still very enjoyable. I can hear the 00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.539 damn tumbleweeds. Yeah. I mean, it's still a 00:23:19.539 --> 00:23:23.519 good fight. This has got to be the most bear 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.619 podcast we've had in so long, dude. Yeah. Well, 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:28.720 I mean, part of it's the schedule, too. Like, 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.279 we just, like... It's just how the schedule ends 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.640 up. Like, it's a bunch of... A bunch of fights 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.720 that you're like, yeah, it's a good fight. But 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:38.859 I got no strong opinions. Like, Yoka's good. 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:44.869 You're probably on the wrong side. Yeah. Maybe 00:23:44.869 --> 00:23:47.490 it's because we got so blessed with so many damn 00:23:47.490 --> 00:23:49.670 good fights. Because it used to always be like 00:23:49.670 --> 00:23:51.869 this, you know? You used to have, like, one fight 00:23:51.869 --> 00:23:54.410 a month that was really good. Yeah, the news 00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:56.750 has also been there because, like, the usual 00:23:56.750 --> 00:23:59.150 troublemakers are either fighting or just out 00:23:59.150 --> 00:24:02.750 of the spotlight right now. Yeah. Like, last 00:24:02.750 --> 00:24:05.809 year, it was after April. From April till, like, 00:24:05.869 --> 00:24:10.009 July, August. It was amazing. I think that was 00:24:10.009 --> 00:24:12.490 probably one of the best times in boxing I remember. 00:24:14.349 --> 00:24:17.390 Even all the way to September last year. 2024 00:24:17.390 --> 00:24:21.549 was just a good year. 2025 had a good run from 00:24:21.549 --> 00:24:26.250 the beginning until like February to March. But 00:24:26.250 --> 00:24:29.009 now it's kind of like kind of just rip bumps 00:24:29.009 --> 00:24:35.650 and silly Canelo fight. Let me do this really 00:24:35.650 --> 00:24:38.630 quick. 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Discounts. 00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:11.230 What more do you want? Seriously, what more do 00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:17.710 you want? Let me know. Put a little bit of a 00:27:17.710 --> 00:27:22.549 delineation here. I'm going to go to the TMZ 00:27:22.549 --> 00:27:27.950 of boxing here. Is Spence a future Hall of Famer? 00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:33.210 So we're doing this now, huh? Yes, we are. We 00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:36.250 actually need the side topping. Spence is a Hall 00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:41.150 of Famer. I think he is. Okay, we gotta break 00:27:41.150 --> 00:27:42.869 something else then. We gotta break something 00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:44.630 else. We all agree that Spence is a Hall of Famer. 00:27:45.289 --> 00:27:49.170 Oh, I wasn't done. It wasn't just the one topic. 00:27:49.849 --> 00:27:54.269 Oh, come on. Is Keyshawn Davis the next Sugar 00:27:54.269 --> 00:27:57.529 Ray Leonard? I'm sorry, what? What the hell? 00:27:57.630 --> 00:28:01.829 Who writes these, bro? Okay, we'll put this shit 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:03.710 in there. Who put that shit in there? I think 00:28:03.710 --> 00:28:06.789 this was made by AI. Because it doesn't have 00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:10.130 a byline. Because I'll tell you, he's going to 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:13.089 be, not just Ray Leonard, he's going to be someone 00:28:13.089 --> 00:28:16.309 like Hagrid. He's going to be like Hagrid, I 00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:19.509 think. I think he'll be Splenda Ray Leonard. 00:28:20.650 --> 00:28:24.529 Yeah, true. He'll be good. He's like, please 00:28:24.529 --> 00:28:27.029 do not make any mistake. Keyshawn Davis is great. 00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:32.029 I very much enjoy him as a fighter, as a person. 00:28:32.089 --> 00:28:34.990 He seems like a really good head on his shoulders. 00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:38.019 But, like, to say he's the next Ray Leonard, 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:41.299 like, come on, dude. Like, let me see some titles 00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:43.460 first. Well, yeah, I was about to say, yeah. 00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:47.119 I will say that we're probably saying the same 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.220 thing with Terrence Crawford. You know, he's 00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:51.920 going to be the next Ray Leonard. We're saying 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.859 the same exact thing, probably. So, yeah, I would 00:28:54.859 --> 00:28:56.740 say give him some time. True. Yeah, give him 00:28:56.740 --> 00:28:57.279 some time. Because Terrence Crawford might be 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.740 better. If he beats Canelo. He might be up there 00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:04.980 with Ray Leonard. I just saw the headline and 00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:08.019 I was like, this is potentially one of the dumbest 00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:10.740 fucking things I've seen on this website. They 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:18.039 put up some dumb shit. Chisora? IBF mandatory? 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:23.359 Somebody needs to step in and help that man. 00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.519 It's so bare that we're talking about fucking 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.299 Chisora. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Imagine 00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:34.410 how funny it would be if... Dubois beats Usyk 00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:39.029 and Chisora beats Dubois and retires undisputed. 00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:43.450 I think, like, storybook ending to the heavyweight 00:29:43.450 --> 00:29:45.529 division. I never watched another fucking fight 00:29:45.529 --> 00:29:49.789 in that division again. Honestly, I'm going to 00:29:49.789 --> 00:29:51.009 be honest with you, dude. I'm going to be honest. 00:29:51.190 --> 00:29:52.769 Let's talk about Usyk versus Dubois. I think 00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:54.130 that's something new that we could probably talk 00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:58.480 about. It is. That's coming up. In July. I think 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.640 me and Josh can have a differing opinion on this 00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.660 one. It might cross some flames. So let's start 00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:07.839 this off with the foundation set. Was it a low 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:19.019 blow? No. Yes. No. No. Hold on. Let's get this 00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:20.980 started. Let's get this started. I was looking 00:30:20.980 --> 00:30:24.480 at the Boxing Hall of Fame so I could start being 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.619 like, this guy shouldn't be here. This guy shouldn't 00:30:26.619 --> 00:30:29.640 be here for, like, a rage bait for you guys. 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:33.759 We'll get to that right now. Was it a low blow? 00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.240 It was. It was actually a low blow. Oh, yeah. 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.319 It was low. I suppose it was a low blow. That 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.079 being said, I don't think there's anything Dubois 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.900 has for Usyk this time. Unless Usyk gets old 00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:50.099 overnight. Do you guys have your phones handy? 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.680 Yeah, I have two monitors on my computer. Alright, 00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:59.519 so if you go to the Lux Media Instagram, go there, 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:07.200 scroll down a bit on the page, and you will see. 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.259 I took one still. I found it. It's not mine. 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.900 Can we look at the picture? The picture of the... 00:31:16.639 --> 00:31:23.039 The knockdown? The alleged low blow? Yes. Alleged, 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.720 not alleged. I don't know anymore. Let me find 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.599 it. There it is. It's below the beltline. You 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.660 think? What if his trunks are high? No, I don't 00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:39.680 care. Usyk's trunks are not high, though. That's 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.359 the way I'll put it. If they were up to his nipples... 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.660 Like Tyson Fury? Yeah. No fucking low blow. But 00:31:47.660 --> 00:31:51.099 Usyk, Usyk, like you can see Usyk's belly button. 00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:55.160 It was a low blow. Like below the belt, like 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.180 it could have, like now I don't agree that Dubois 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:00.480 just jumped the gun and punched him right in 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.279 the cock. It definitely was like the cup that 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.319 he's wearing pushing into his balls. But also, 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.440 like Dubois is like a... 200 and whatever pound 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:18.279 dude punching you in full force. Of course it's 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.880 gonna hurt. Of course it's gonna hurt. Even if 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.440 it's like the cups are there to make sure your 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.660 fucking balls don't burst. But it's still gonna 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:32.460 hurt. So it looks on the beltline from this angle. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:38.359 From this angle? Oh my god. I also don't... I 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.380 will say, Usyk, if he had started counting, Usyk 00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:45.559 would have just gotten up. Yeah. That's what 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.480 I'm saying, yeah. It probably wasn't even, like, 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.200 even if he did get hurt by it, and, like, they 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.559 still had the fight go on, Usyk probably would 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.200 have went through it. Yeah. Would have went through 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.920 the damn storm. I'll tell you. You know what, 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.640 though? Dude, watch and try punching him in the 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.680 balls more this time. Can we talk about the... 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.839 Can we talk about the comeback that Dubois had, 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.099 actually? It's probably one of the best. He has 00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:16.519 transformed as a person. Exactly. He's a totally 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.480 different person now. The comeback that Dubois 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.440 has had is probably one of the best comebacks 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.480 in boxing since forming, in my opinion. Honestly, 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.640 the Hergovich win was probably more impressive 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.220 to me than the AJ win, just because of how it 00:33:30.220 --> 00:33:35.880 happened during the fight. Well, the fight started 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.380 with Dubois just getting clocked in the face 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:41.900 with right hands for two rounds straight. But 00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:44.039 it's dynamite, man. He has dynamite in his hands. 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.640 No, that's what I mean, though. But in previous 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.460 ones, he just kind of kept getting clocked in 00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.779 the face and quit. You know, what's funny is 00:33:53.779 --> 00:33:57.380 that I remember that everybody was rooting for 00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.200 Hergovich. They really wanted him to win because 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:01.640 they really believed he was going to be the... 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.420 Everybody thought he was the boogeyman, remember? 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.279 On the server? Everybody thought he was the boogeyman. 00:34:05.539 --> 00:34:07.299 Hergevich? Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Yeah. 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:11.119 Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Except me, of course. 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.980 Actually, if you go back in the server and look, 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.139 I actually was the one that was saying that Dubois 00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:20.380 was going to win. I don't want to toot my own 00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:23.559 horn, but... I just had little faith in Dubois. 00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:28.050 I was of little faith. Nah, after I saw what 00:34:28.050 --> 00:34:30.550 he did to Jarrell Miller, I know it's fucking 00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:32.909 Jarrell Miller, but still. It's Jarrell Miller, 00:34:33.070 --> 00:34:37.889 bro. The last 10 seconds, he had... He knocked 00:34:37.889 --> 00:34:39.369 someone out within the last 10 seconds. You gotta 00:34:39.369 --> 00:34:41.769 ask the dog in you. You have to have a killer 00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:44.630 instinct. You know what I mean? And after I saw 00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:47.130 it, I was like, damn. I never knew Dubois was 00:34:47.130 --> 00:34:49.690 like that. I mean, obviously, after Usyk, for 00:34:49.690 --> 00:34:53.489 sure, but... You know what I mean? Losing to 00:34:53.489 --> 00:34:55.750 Usyk, it's Usyk. You know what I mean? It's not... 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.539 I mean, it's also on how he lost. Like, he just 00:34:59.539 --> 00:35:01.679 got his ass beat. There was nothing. Like, the 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.900 low blow was the only moment of success he had. 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.860 Yeah, but that's Usyk, bro. Usyk. Usyk body fury. 00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:16.119 Twice. You know what I mean? Yeah. So to do as 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.719 well as he did against Usyk does say quite a 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.039 bit. Yeah. He was really competitive in the beginning. 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.300 I just switched it. My opinion of Dubois entirely 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:28.559 changed in the Hergovich fight, because Hergovich, 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.300 for two rounds straight, just pieced him up. 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.679 And I'm like, okay, Dubois is going to get pieced 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.300 up, maybe have some moments, and then quit, right? 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.000 The usual. You can't stop talking to him, dude. 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.900 Yeah, you know, he crawled back and beat the 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:47.699 shit out of Hergovich, and then he didn't even 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:53.059 let AJ have a single moment. transformation. 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.920 The only moment AJ had was his last. Yeah, that 00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:02.320 was... Boxer -sized Ben does him again, guys. 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:11.000 I'm glad that... You gotta do that rear right 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.599 uppercut with both your hands down. I wonder 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.960 who taught him that. They should have been given 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.829 trainer of the year. They were robbed. Fuck Robert. 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:24.829 They should have given it to him. Who the hell 00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:30.449 that wet was? Ben Davidson. I love Robert. Ben 00:36:30.449 --> 00:36:32.969 Davidson was a secret agent for the Dubois camp 00:36:32.969 --> 00:36:36.769 there. Yeah, it was horrible. That was horrible. 00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:41.010 Fucking bonehead performance from the corner. 00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:44.969 Dubois, I'm glad he's been given Usyk again. 00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:49.429 I think he well deserves it. He's the most deserving, 00:36:49.730 --> 00:36:54.400 I guess. I think he deserves it more than Joseph 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.000 Parker. He deserves it more than a furry trilogy. 00:36:57.340 --> 00:36:59.800 I wanted to see him fight Parker. Parker kind 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.599 of got fucked. I don't want to see that fight. 00:37:05.380 --> 00:37:12.219 I'm not a big fan of Joe Parker. I think, yeah. 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.059 We'll see what happens with Usyk. If he beats 00:37:16.059 --> 00:37:18.960 him, that would be awesome. If not, that would 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.579 also be awesome because I love Usyk. I love both 00:37:21.579 --> 00:37:29.780 guys. I want to see Usyk. I just want to see 00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:33.559 Usyk retire undefeated. It'd be so nice to just 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.199 have a guy. The man. The man of the generation. 00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.539 No blemishes. Literally cleaned everyone out. 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:49.000 Twice, usually. Still Britain. Retired on top. 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:55.340 And then... Like, at least... Yeah. Destroyed 00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:58.539 British heavyweight boxing forever. Retired. 00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:02.980 You want to... You want to go a little further 00:38:02.980 --> 00:38:04.960 since we have to extend this out? I'll give you 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.420 something to ask. Okay? Out of all the heavyweights... 00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:11.659 Oh, no. I'm not sleeping. What am I saying? Out 00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:16.559 of all the heavyweights of all time, what would 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.760 you play Tuesday? If he retires undefeated, he 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.880 defeats... It's Dubois by knocking him out again. 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.539 What would you rate him? Amongst all heavyweights. 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:32.440 I'm saying top 10. Top 10? Top 10, and then I 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.960 need to actually think about it and put together 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:41.880 a top 5, top 10. Yeah, I would say top 20. Easy 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:49.550 top 20. Depends how much you value pre -Ali boxing. 00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:55.090 I value very much. That's why he's top 20 for 00:38:55.090 --> 00:39:00.130 me. Because I go like, I understand the accolades 00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:03.590 of some of these guys, but then you watch the 00:39:03.590 --> 00:39:05.610 fights and you watch the Usyk fights and you're 00:39:05.610 --> 00:39:10.150 like, okay, Usyk is a giant in this era and also 00:39:10.150 --> 00:39:12.170 just beats the shit out of these guys on skill. 00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:16.960 I think we're about to argue right now. Because 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.219 the amount of guys from back then, I get it, 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:23.780 they were smaller, but... They were like 170. 00:39:24.099 --> 00:39:27.579 They're light heavyweights. And like 5 '7", light 00:39:27.579 --> 00:39:31.219 heavyweights. And Usyk is 6 '3", and like... 00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:40.380 220. Which is like... Ali looked big. And Ali 00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:48.670 weighed like 215. Yeah, like he beat Sonny Liston 00:39:48.670 --> 00:39:55.969 weighing 210 and 206. And he was 6 '3". It's 00:39:55.969 --> 00:40:01.489 like, like, I don't know. Like, I feel like we've 00:40:01.489 --> 00:40:03.570 reached a point in this, like we've reached a 00:40:03.570 --> 00:40:06.409 point, especially I feel like Lennox Lewis onward 00:40:06.409 --> 00:40:08.710 where like you really, you like, you have to 00:40:08.710 --> 00:40:13.980 split up your list between like. legacy and actual, 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.199 like, head -to -head skill and, like, ability 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.940 to beat each other. The heavyweight division 00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:24.139 right now can be split up into two eras. The 00:40:24.139 --> 00:40:28.139 BL era and the AL era. Before Lewis and after 00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:31.019 Lewis. Yeah. Because, like, Lennox Lewis is, 00:40:31.059 --> 00:40:33.039 like, the first... I feel like Lennox Lewis is, 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.579 like, the first actually top 10 huge heavyweight. 00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.840 Yeah. Yeah, like, top 10 pound -to -pound huge 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.719 heavyweight, yeah. And it hasn't been the same 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.880 since. Because now they're all fucking British. 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.199 Yeah, but U6 also, like, I don't know. Like, 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.619 I understand. Like, even in BoxRec, you look 00:40:53.619 --> 00:40:55.639 at their top ten heavyweights and you have, like, 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.440 Jack Dempsey at number nine. And I'm like, I 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.519 understand. Legacy -wise, Jack Dempsey's probably 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.159 top ten. But also, you were not going to tell 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.820 me to my face that he beats, like, anyone like 00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:12.860 Ali and beyond. No, I don't think he would. No, 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:19.780 you can't. But for the times, there's two top 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.579 ten lists you can make. There's a legacy one 00:41:22.579 --> 00:41:27.039 and a realistic one. There's another one where 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:28.699 you put Mike Tyson at the top and it says that 00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:34.800 he beats everybody else. And then I say that 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.380 Riddick Bowe would have beat him in the same 00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:40.400 era. I counter you by saying Ali needs everybody. 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.800 Riddick Bowe. See, that's what I mean. If you 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.380 pick skill for skill, where do guys like Riddick 00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:49.199 Bowe who don't have the accolades or the resume 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:57.239 but so obviously have the skill? If Holyfield 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.239 is a top 10 heavyweight or top 15 heavyweight 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.119 and Riddick Bowe being the guy who comprehensively 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.420 beat him in his heavyweight prime... Well... 00:42:08.269 --> 00:42:12.449 I'll tell you this, I think that Bo would struggle 00:42:12.449 --> 00:42:14.610 in certain eras and do better in certain eras. 00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:17.289 I think he was right where he should have been. 00:42:17.849 --> 00:42:21.949 He did both in the same era, though. Yeah. Just 00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:28.110 on focus. Yeah. So there's a conversation I had 00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:30.590 with Shannara a while ago, and it was actually 00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:35.489 about how do you rate people? Because when you 00:42:35.489 --> 00:42:39.659 think about... Like, comparing Ali, how much 00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:42.840 of it is out -of -the -ring stuff that gets him 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:51.539 so high up on people's lists? Ali's a rare case, 00:42:51.739 --> 00:42:56.960 though, because he beat so many genuine... Most 00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.780 of the guys he beat probably could have been 00:42:59.780 --> 00:43:06.690 that guy of the era. Joe Frazier could have been 00:43:06.690 --> 00:43:08.829 that guy. No, it would have been Foreman. It 00:43:08.829 --> 00:43:10.710 would have been Foreman. But the Foreman, I feel 00:43:10.710 --> 00:43:13.650 like the win that makes his legacy the most is 00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.789 a Foreman and the third Frazier win, though. 00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:21.050 No. No. Like, that's where his legacy is in terms 00:43:21.050 --> 00:43:26.869 of, like, being, like, because... I think every 00:43:26.869 --> 00:43:28.710 fight, most fights he had were legacy fights. 00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:32.130 I consider all Frazier fights were legacy fights. 00:43:32.530 --> 00:43:35.690 Yeah, but, like, the number one... number one 00:43:35.690 --> 00:43:40.150 for being, like, the greatest? Well, I would 00:43:40.150 --> 00:43:42.849 say there's two fights when I think of Ali. The 00:43:42.849 --> 00:43:44.949 two first fights I think of might be a little 00:43:44.949 --> 00:43:48.769 controversial is obviously Sonny Liston and George 00:43:48.769 --> 00:43:53.110 Foreman. Yeah. Now, obviously, yeah, the Frazier 00:43:53.110 --> 00:43:57.190 fights were great, and, you know, as a knower 00:43:57.190 --> 00:44:00.469 of boxing, obviously, I know how great it is, 00:44:00.489 --> 00:44:04.309 but... As a casual, if I were to see it from 00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:06.750 the casual standpoint, I think the most well 00:44:06.750 --> 00:44:10.289 -known Ali fights and the most legendary ones 00:44:10.289 --> 00:44:14.710 are the listing and Foreman fights. Yeah. And 00:44:14.710 --> 00:44:19.869 honestly, Ali was a damn good heavyweight. I 00:44:19.869 --> 00:44:21.750 don't know what you guys are talking about. Saying 00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:23.489 that, you know, you don't know what you'd rate 00:44:23.489 --> 00:44:26.210 him on. No, but the thing is that, like, the 00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:28.130 thing is you can rate him really highly, but 00:44:28.130 --> 00:44:33.429 also, like, I see Leo's point where how much 00:44:33.429 --> 00:44:36.389 of his accolades and how the accolades are reflected 00:44:36.389 --> 00:44:42.010 upon are looked at as kindly because of the out 00:44:42.010 --> 00:44:45.389 -of -the -ring stuff. I think he had great accolades. 00:44:45.449 --> 00:44:49.050 I don't know what you're talking about. I understand 00:44:49.050 --> 00:44:55.349 he has the roster of Hall of Famers. But there's 00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:57.889 also guys that are propped up as Hall of Famers 00:44:57.889 --> 00:45:00.429 as a result of existing in the same area that 00:45:00.429 --> 00:45:04.570 may be... Yeah, like, because they existed alongside 00:45:04.570 --> 00:45:07.610 Ali. Because Ken Norton's a Hall of Famer, right? 00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:10.449 Like, I don't mean Ken Norton, because he still 00:45:10.449 --> 00:45:13.289 had legendary fights with Larry Holmes and stuff. 00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:20.650 I'm saying guys like Jimmy Young or Ron Lyle. 00:45:23.019 --> 00:45:24.599 Well, don't tell me that Ron Lyle... How much 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.219 rep do guys like Ron Lyle get off of... I think 00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:31.400 Ron Lyle was a good puncher, but the thing is, 00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:34.420 I agree with you, is that... I mean... Yeah, 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.380 I think he's in the Hall of Fame because of the 00:45:36.380 --> 00:45:39.420 era he was in. Like, how much rep do these guys 00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:41.800 get? But, I mean, that just tells you how good 00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:45.579 the era was. How fun it was. Imagine we had an 00:45:45.579 --> 00:45:50.260 era like that. Yeah. I'll tell you, I mean, I 00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:53.780 think Ali would do good in most areas. Oh, he 00:45:53.780 --> 00:45:57.840 absolutely would. I think he would beat Mike 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.880 Tyson. He would beat, in my opinion, it might 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.280 be a little controversial. I think he'd probably 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:10.780 beat Usyk. That's a good one. Usyk -Ali is like 00:46:10.780 --> 00:46:12.960 an actual dream. It's actually a dream fight, 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.920 though. Just because they're similarly sized. 00:46:19.750 --> 00:46:22.570 like, skillful, quick heavyweights. Like, that's 00:46:22.570 --> 00:46:27.409 one for the purists. Also, they would, I know 00:46:27.409 --> 00:46:28.809 this might sound silly, but they would also rob 00:46:28.809 --> 00:46:30.929 Usyk even if he won. They would still rob him. 00:46:31.329 --> 00:46:34.309 Depending on where it's at. Knowing how Don King 00:46:34.309 --> 00:46:38.809 would do that shit. I don't know. Like, historical 00:46:38.809 --> 00:46:42.309 revisionism is always funny because, like, you 00:46:42.309 --> 00:46:47.570 know, like, you just have to, you do, end up 00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:49.469 having to take the out of the ring stuff with 00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:54.070 ali well the thing is ali ali you can see the 00:46:54.070 --> 00:46:56.670 merit in the argument at least for him being 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:59.489 good this whole time right yeah but you can't 00:46:59.489 --> 00:47:02.750 properly but you can't properly gauge his opponents 00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:06.789 because of how because they're next like they're 00:47:06.789 --> 00:47:11.250 fighting ali like they all have name value see 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:14.269 i understand that and the thing is i see i see 00:47:14.269 --> 00:47:15.949 what you're saying i agree with what you're saying 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.300 My thing is, I think a better example is Mike 00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:25.179 Tyson. That's the one where I hear that people 00:47:25.179 --> 00:47:27.139 say he's one of the greatest heavyweights of 00:47:27.139 --> 00:47:29.880 all time. Where I can see, again, I can kind 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.500 of see merit, but I don't agree at all. I really 00:47:33.500 --> 00:47:37.000 do not agree at all. Mike Tyson is the most hype 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.340 moments and aura heavyweight of all time. Mike 00:47:42.340 --> 00:47:45.000 Tyson, if Mike Tyson was fighting now, he'd be 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.139 like Ben Whittaker. Like, that type of, like, 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.320 hype job. Hype moments and aura. That's true. 00:47:52.099 --> 00:47:55.940 Like, that's so true. He was a good fighter. 00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:59.780 Yeah, he was, like, he had a TOP syndrome. I 00:47:59.780 --> 00:48:02.519 mean, after... He's not, like, an all -time great, 00:48:02.659 --> 00:48:05.340 I agree, actually. Yeah, yeah, he's not an all 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.940 -time great. No, he is an all -time great, but 00:48:07.940 --> 00:48:11.059 he's not, like, a top 10. Yeah, exactly. That's 00:48:11.059 --> 00:48:14.139 my point, yeah. He's, like, a legendary all -time 00:48:14.139 --> 00:48:16.969 great fighter. But it's not the same as being 00:48:16.969 --> 00:48:19.349 one of the best fighters of all time. One of 00:48:19.349 --> 00:48:21.289 the best heavyweights. He was. I feel like a 00:48:21.289 --> 00:48:23.110 more interesting... With heavyweight, though, 00:48:23.130 --> 00:48:26.409 you always end up with the same selection of 00:48:26.409 --> 00:48:28.829 guys, basically. I feel like light heavyweights 00:48:28.829 --> 00:48:30.849 were... Like, lower weight classes, you have 00:48:30.849 --> 00:48:33.989 more fun with the historical ratings. Like... 00:48:33.989 --> 00:48:38.789 Oh, yeah. Because... Like, would a... Like, a 00:48:38.789 --> 00:48:41.440 light heavyweight, like, obviously... Like, my 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.139 take for light heavyweight is that Roy Jones 00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:47.139 Jr. at his absolute peak destroys anyone ever 00:48:47.139 --> 00:48:54.599 to compete at 175. Um... Well... That's my take. 00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:59.440 Bar none? Like, it's like at his absolute, absolute 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:05.579 peak. Yeah. Like, there's just... It's just not 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:11.659 even a contest. Come on, man. I would, like, 00:49:11.780 --> 00:49:14.119 you can't say Andre Ward because I already have 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:19.199 guys that I rate above him. Like, I'd argue Matthew 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.300 Saad Mohamed. Yeah, I'm trying to play devil 00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:27.900 out of kit. Yeah, no, like, Roy Jones Jr. was 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:33.880 just... Yeah, like, just... Like, God. Like, 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:38.260 just watching the fights is like... Like, this 00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:42.260 is the closest we get to, like, holy fuck. Like, 00:49:42.340 --> 00:49:46.199 it's just perfect. This is a superhuman? Yeah, 00:49:46.300 --> 00:49:51.079 like, stuff we get about, like, Sugar Ray Robinson 00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.420 is word of mouth because his prime was before 00:49:55.420 --> 00:49:59.599 the recorded video. But, like, Roy Jones Jr. 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:05.050 was just legit superhuman. He'd knock guys out 00:50:05.050 --> 00:50:07.389 before they would realize they were knocked out. 00:50:09.210 --> 00:50:10.630 They'd be on their feet and they wouldn't even 00:50:10.630 --> 00:50:13.550 know. Yeah, no, they were superhuman. Like, my 00:50:13.550 --> 00:50:15.550 favorite guy of all time is, like, Dwight Muhammad 00:50:15.550 --> 00:50:20.469 Kaui, right? But, like, I got to admit, like, 00:50:20.469 --> 00:50:23.590 glaze aside, Roy Jones Jr. was just, like, like, 00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:25.329 at light heavyweight, there's no one. Literally 00:50:25.329 --> 00:50:31.449 no one. I think... Roy Jones being a superhuman 00:50:31.449 --> 00:50:35.849 is a good place to leave it. Yeah. Positive note. 00:50:36.150 --> 00:50:40.190 Yeah, very positive. Roy Jones, to me, is also 00:50:40.190 --> 00:50:44.969 one of the top three, not three types. Maybe 00:50:44.969 --> 00:50:48.750 not top three, but you get the picture. Thanks. 00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:55.829 So, let me do this. You've been listening to 00:50:55.829 --> 00:50:57.869 The Boxing B -Sides, a Lux Media production. 00:50:58.489 --> 00:51:00.630 If you're just dying to tell us how fucking casual 00:51:00.630 --> 00:51:02.789 you think we are, you can be a duck and text 00:51:02.789 --> 00:51:07.090 the anonymous line 833 -589 -7637. 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