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So, let's get into... We only have one recap,
and this one I think is going to get fucking
spicy. Oh my god. Let me clear out the bottom
of the card first. Vidal Riley, UD over Shavon
Clark. Chris Billum -Smith, also UD over Brandon
Glanton. Which one were you... Josh, you were
talking about one of those two. Was it Glanton
or... I think it would be fun. Yeah, I'm not
saying you were called a win or anything, but
you had high expectations. Again, Glenn's just
not good enough, but Will Smith, it's not like
he made it boring. Aaron McKenna beats Liam Smith.
It's kind of sad. The old war horse finally had
one too many. No, he's the trap for now. Yeah,
that's the stage. He was in the hamper, and he
was hanging on for dear life, but not no more.
It's Oprah. Hopefully. Hopefully he hangs it
up before the sport makes him. And co -main Anthony
Yard versus Lyndon Arthur. Anthony Yard wins
again. Can this fucking rivalry be done? I actually
had a pleasant surprise. Not that it went well,
but the Yard actually looked like he could box.
True, he did show different dimensions. Yard's
career has been heroic stands against the top
of the division or beating the shit out of scrubs.
So getting like an actual win against someone
who isn't in like 600th in the world. That's
a good, good point. Looking good is pleasant.
All right. Okay. That's a little better. I still
like for this rivalry to end. We don't have to
do this shit anymore. The yard, Arthur, that
story's over. But there's still... Boring story,
too. There's a lot of good options for Anthony
Yard. Let me... Ben Whitaker. Forgot about that.
Ben Whitaker, you're right. That's a Ben Whitaker
room. Looking at these options here... Just on
BoxRec, take the rankings with a grain of salt.
So, Yard is at 10. Zack Parker at 9. Albert Ramirez
is at 8. I'm not sure who that is. Vozdik at
7. Boazzi at 6. Morell, Callum Smith, Beterbiev,
Beeble, and Benavidez. Yard vs. Smith wouldn't
be a bad fight. well for British people probably
no yeah that would be a good like all British
thing yeah I think Tom would take that fight
but my opinion uh now main event gonna try my
best to moderate this one so you guys don't get
too too out of pocket here oh my god so Chris
Eubanks Jr. Gets the UD over Conor Benn. It's
8 -4, 8 -4, and 7 -5, I think it was. Were the
cards... They were a little too close. You took
that pretty clearly. Right. I was going to say,
were they emblematic of the fight? No. It was
a really competitive fight, but it was not at
all close. 8 -4. 8 -4 is like best case scenario
for Conor Benn, in my opinion. Chris Eubank just
did everything better. He's bigger. He's smarter.
Not necessarily faster. Was he stronger? Because
Benn landed some solid shots on him. Of course.
He's a rear middleweight, super middleweight.
A really shitty welterweight moving up. Exactly.
Now, you both have different opinions of how
you perceived this. So, Josh, I want to start
with you. I thought the fight was fun. I'm not
going to say the fight wasn't fun or like fight
of the year material, but it's been a slow year
so far. I will say that... The fight had no right
to go the way it was. Like, they both had to
suck in different ways for the fight to go out
like that. Like, if there were any other actually
okay middleweight, Ben would have been gone.
But also, like, I acknowledge Eubank was dried
up as shit. And, like, if you're Conor Benn,
how the fuck do you not even drop the skeleton,
the skeleton of a man at least once? He was close,
though. He was close, but, like, also, like,
like, I don't know. Like, it went as good as
a fight between a really shitty middleweight
and a really shitty welterweight can go. Was
it the Hagler Leonard? Hagler. Hagler Leonard?
No way. The shit version of Hagler Leonard. It
was, like, the shit version of Homo. Maybe a
shit version of the second one. I just don't
know. Yeah. I just don't know how Eubank couldn't
even drop Dan, bro. That's crazy. Like, this
fight should not have, like, the way it went
for Eubank, it should not have even been close
to competitive. He just, like, I get he's winning
winnings, but also, come on, bro. Anything more?
Hold in. Before we, uh... I just... You know,
my too long, my recap is, like, the fight was
fun, but it was really shitty. So you can pass
it over to Alex. Let her rip. I agree completely
with Josh. I don't know if you guys want me to
argue with him or not. That's what I thought
was going to happen. I thought you were going
to argue with me. No, like, I just want to talk
about the fight. It was really, really good.
it was it was the thing is it was a shitty it
was a shitty fight with two shitty fighters but
man that's why i was like oh we're gonna disagree
and the thing is we were all dogging on him but
we were all dogging on both fighters and honestly
like there's still shit but man that was a fight
between two shitty fighters and that's like the
average pro box card man hey hey listen man this
is probably be connor ben Honestly, yeah, like
Kelvin Davis, bro. An actual pro box middleweight
who doesn't punch with the strength of a grandma's
gentle kiss on the forehead, you'd probably get
Conor Benn out of there. I mean, it was a fight
that I think you could show a casual audience
and say, this is boxing right here. This is how
it is, you know. It's like, yeah, it's like good.
To coerce them to watch the sport. Rocky movie.
Yeah, but you got to say it's boxing. Because
if you say it's British boxing, they're going
to kill themselves the first British card they
watch. Yeah. It was a damn good fight. It shouldn't
have been that good at all. It was good. I liked
it a lot. Well, fuck. I was expecting fireworks.
I thought you guys were going to be talking about...
I misinterpreted him saying it was good as him
interpreting the fighters as good. I think I
did the same thing. I don't want to see Eubank
anywhere near Canelo, though. I want to see Eubank
maybe fight Shiraz if he's going to fight someone
else worthy. Shiraz. I need Eubank at 168. I'm
sick of this game at 150 where he's always a
top contender because the rest of the division
is just worse. Fuck Eubank. Fuck Conor Benn.
I'm sick of this shit. I need boots to fight
Conor Benn. so that way Condor Ben can actually
know what it is to get hit by opposition. Okay,
Condor Ben versus Majumov. Eubank versus Jannabek.
Eubank versus Jannabek. Eubank might die. I'm
failing to see the downside. Okay, you're right,
actually. Sorry, Chris, I didn't want you to
die, buddy. Eubank versus Jannabek. Gabby Pandora.
No, I got no... The conclusions are... Either
they should fight each other for the rest of
time or fight someone meaningful and then retire
because they lost so bad. Preferably the latter.
Yeah. I don't know, man. If they fight each other
every six months for the rest of time, I don't
think it'd be that bad. I wouldn't complain.
Every six months, we're guaranteed to get an
alright fight between two shitters. But they're
levels of shit. Their variety of shit is different
enough that it makes for a good time. The shit
mixes well in the toilet. I was thinking of that
episode of South Park where Cartman smears poop
on everyone's walls as the Child Revenge Center
of America smears all the walls with poop. Well,
fuck. Guess that's that. A short podcast every
once in a while is not a bad thing. Yeah. What
did you think, beloved listener? 833 -589 -7637.
What did you think of Eubank vs. Ben? You can
always run all the ads back to back to back to
back. Oh, yeah. Fill in time. I usually do. On
short ones, I usually throw in like three or
four instead of one or two. It's all right. This
OTX one isn't that bad. No, it's all right. In
our previews. Let's move into the previews here.
We're going to start first with an overtime card.
This one's going to be on DAZN. So if you have
a subscription, enjoy. I don't really know who
these guys are. And overtime has not started
their 2025 tournament yet. But Andreas Katsourakis
won the 154 bracket last year. So that should
be enjoyable. He's fighting another undefeated
guy, Roberto Cruz. That's a pretty good watch.
Yeah, he's good. Pretty good for where he's at
in the promotional landscape. I don't know. Do
you see anybody on the other ones? On the undercard,
I mean? I mean, it's a start, man. I mean, I
just, I can't speak on it until we've seen it
more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man, this is
going to be a short -ass podcast. It is. Yeah.
Same day. Yeah. Go on. I don't know what to say.
That's the thing. They're all like prospects.
I'm like, these are all pro box cards. They're
like, yeah, they're going to be cool to watch,
but also I'm not invested. Yeah. I'm just going
to be, like, watching it while I'm doing some
work. Yeah, like, what is it? Andreas Katsarakis
beat Brandon Adams. Yep. Pretty cool. That's
a good win. Pretty cool. Good win. Yeah. I mean,
Brandon Adams did beat Boa Chuck. Sparked him.
Yeah. So, that's a good win. Katsarakis. But,
like, otherwise, I'm like, my analysis goes that
far. well then less analysis uh mdp that's jake
paul's outfit in orlando florida this is a most
valuable prospects series i think this is their
12th or 13th card so these are all pro box level
without the pro box quality matchmaking yeah
So I'm not sure what to make of them. It's bad.
Those two were on May 9th. On Saturday, May 10th,
Queensberry at the Nottingham Arena. I think
it's like the Motor Point or some fucking shit
or other. I don't really care. There's a whole
lot of fights on this card. There's not very
many that stand out. Sam Noakes was a prospect.
He's got a good record. He's been decent every
time I've seen him. But I can't really tell you
who Patrick Balazs is. British guy. Hmm? British.
Some British guy. I don't think he's British.
Well, you know, he's fighting Sam Noakes on a,
what is it, maximum cards or Queensberry card.
Yeah. So that means he's British to me. So Euro
bum? Yep. Moving up to the other one I recognize,
Liam Davies versus Kurt Walker. Is Liam Davies
the dude that lost to Barroso? Ooh, I kind of
think you might be right. It's a Davies. No,
it's not. It's a different Davies. Ohara Davies.
You're right. He lost to Shabazz Massoud. Who
is fighting Peter McGrail? Really? In June. In
June. Oh, that's a decent little scrap. Yeah.
Lee Wood still kicking it? I like this fight.
Yeah, Anthony Kakachi versus Lee Wood. Yeah,
I don't mind it. I think the IBO title is on
the line here. The real title? Yeah, the one
that everyone cares about. Admiration is also
on the line and equally valuable. The I, the
obsolete title? The obsolete. Hey, Sam Noakes
is on this card. Yeah. Sam Noakes is on this
card and it's actually not that bad. Yeah, like
I said, it's a decent little scrap. Not sure
who his opponent is, but Sam Noakes, he's decent.
Yeah. Pretty standard British fare, but whatever.
Yeah. This whole card is making me want to watch
Pro Box. Yeah, where the fuck is Pro Box? Pro
Box, come back to me. Let me make sure I didn't
miss anything. Yeah, look at their website right
now. I think the next one is actually Luba, right?
Yeah, Luba. How did I fucking miss this? What
is the matter with me? Yo, what the hell? That's
the only highlight this entire week. Yeah, how
did I miss this? I am ashamed. Okay, we're hijacking
this now. Provox at Silver Spurs Arena in Florida.
Erickson Lubin fights Rodrigo Holmes Jr. Not
related to Larry Holmes. Been saying it for ages.
I've been keeping up with Ardrell Holmes for
a long time now. And I always bring him up, and
one of the guys that used to be on the show would
always be like, who the fuck is this? Why are
you talking about him? Because, look, this guy's
going to be on your TV screen soon. Yeah. You
know what? Lubin isn't even that washed either.
No, he's not. Lubin's still definitely a player
here. Can they get stinky, unfortunately? Well,
you know what? It's pro box, so it's never stinky.
True. Exactly. We love pro box. Yeah. Hey, Darrell
Valsaint fights Rodolfo Arcozo, too. The Valsaint
boys are pretty solid. Like, they're all good
matchups. And like adequate matchups. I like
it. Dominic Valle. Also good. I don't think Valle
is the brothers that I was thinking about. Yeah.
Well matched. Well matched. That main is going
to be good. Say the same thing about Pro Box
every time. You may not recognize their names,
but you're getting quality matchups. That's usually
free. Yeah, Probox is good about that. Yeah,
it'll be free. I'm pretty sure it'll be on their
YouTube channel. Like, nothing. You're not gonna...
It's on their website and their YouTube channel.
Also, their app. They got an app. They got an
app called Probox TV. It's probably the best
quality shit you'll find. Consistently, at least.
Seriously, this is the best card of the weekend.
It's the same as those other two prospect cards.
I don't know who these people are, but if you
like knockouts... I understand Canelo's got to
be on Cinco de Mayo, but couldn't you have just
put Brian Garcia on the next week? Continue your
Fatal Fury extravaganza. Yeah, like, come on.
You got two weeks of it instead of just one.
You can charge people twice. Yeah. Instead of
one and a half. Yeah. I think Maze is going to
be a little better. Hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I was going to say, hopefully. We're
talking about hopefully. We want to be, like,
February again. Yeah. Oh, we want it. I thought
you said it is going to be. I was like, oh. I
don't want to be like February, dude. We don't
want to be beer. And anything more for this Queensberry
card? Or for the Probox card? No. Alright, last
one. Sunday, May 11th. This starts at like fucking
1 in the morning on the West Coast. It's Shisei
Promotions. What? Did it say gymnasium? Yes.
Otashi Gymnasium. It was an Olympic thing. I
would say for this quality of fight, the gymnasium
is criminal, but if it's a good venue, it's a
good venue. It's a good venue. It's at the Ota
City gym in Ota City. From the bottom up, I've
only got three of them on here. Are there more?
Let me check, because I'm not sure. Yeah. Okay,
so what I did was remove the ones that were TBA.
So, starting from the bottom, this one I don't
have listed. Masahiro Nakata vs. Zen Takeyama
at Super Bantamweight. Daida Kira. Versus Jackson
Zapata. Yeah. Eight rounds at flyweight. Hayato
Tsutsumi versus Jaime Arboleda. Ten round lightweights.
And Fernando Martinez versus Kazuto Ioka. This
is for, I believe, the WBA super flyweight title.
But I thought it was going to be for the vacant
IBF. Oh, good. I mean, they both fought for the
IBF title last time, and then they stripped him,
and now they get to fight for it again? Okay.
Is it for the IBF titles as well, or no? Probably.
Okay. Yeah, good fight. It is. The first one
was really exciting. Even though they're smaller
guys, it's still very enjoyable. I can hear the
damn tumbleweeds. Yeah. I mean, it's still a
good fight. This has got to be the most bear
podcast we've had in so long, dude. Yeah. Well,
I mean, part of it's the schedule, too. Like,
we just, like... It's just how the schedule ends
up. Like, it's a bunch of... A bunch of fights
that you're like, yeah, it's a good fight. But
I got no strong opinions. Like, Yoka's good.
You're probably on the wrong side. Yeah. Maybe
it's because we got so blessed with so many damn
good fights. Because it used to always be like
this, you know? You used to have, like, one fight
a month that was really good. Yeah, the news
has also been there because, like, the usual
troublemakers are either fighting or just out
of the spotlight right now. Yeah. Like, last
year, it was after April. From April till, like,
July, August. It was amazing. I think that was
probably one of the best times in boxing I remember.
Even all the way to September last year. 2024
was just a good year. 2025 had a good run from
the beginning until like February to March. But
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What more do you want? Seriously, what more do
you want? Let me know. Put a little bit of a
delineation here. I'm going to go to the TMZ
of boxing here. Is Spence a future Hall of Famer?
So we're doing this now, huh? Yes, we are. We
actually need the side topping. Spence is a Hall
of Famer. I think he is. Okay, we gotta break
something else then. We gotta break something
else. We all agree that Spence is a Hall of Famer.
Oh, I wasn't done. It wasn't just the one topic.
Oh, come on. Is Keyshawn Davis the next Sugar
Ray Leonard? I'm sorry, what? What the hell?
Who writes these, bro? Okay, we'll put this shit
in there. Who put that shit in there? I think
this was made by AI. Because it doesn't have
a byline. Because I'll tell you, he's going to
be, not just Ray Leonard, he's going to be someone
like Hagrid. He's going to be like Hagrid, I
think. I think he'll be Splenda Ray Leonard.
Yeah, true. He'll be good. He's like, please
do not make any mistake. Keyshawn Davis is great.
I very much enjoy him as a fighter, as a person.
He seems like a really good head on his shoulders.
But, like, to say he's the next Ray Leonard,
like, come on, dude. Like, let me see some titles
first. Well, yeah, I was about to say, yeah.
I will say that we're probably saying the same
thing with Terrence Crawford. You know, he's
going to be the next Ray Leonard. We're saying
the same exact thing, probably. So, yeah, I would
say give him some time. True. Yeah, give him
some time. Because Terrence Crawford might be
better. If he beats Canelo. He might be up there
with Ray Leonard. I just saw the headline and
I was like, this is potentially one of the dumbest
fucking things I've seen on this website. They
put up some dumb shit. Chisora? IBF mandatory?
Somebody needs to step in and help that man.
It's so bare that we're talking about fucking
Chisora. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Imagine
how funny it would be if... Dubois beats Usyk
and Chisora beats Dubois and retires undisputed.
I think, like, storybook ending to the heavyweight
division. I never watched another fucking fight
in that division again. Honestly, I'm going to
be honest with you, dude. I'm going to be honest.
Let's talk about Usyk versus Dubois. I think
that's something new that we could probably talk
about. It is. That's coming up. In July. I think
me and Josh can have a differing opinion on this
one. It might cross some flames. So let's start
this off with the foundation set. Was it a low
blow? No. Yes. No. No. Hold on. Let's get this
started. Let's get this started. I was looking
at the Boxing Hall of Fame so I could start being
like, this guy shouldn't be here. This guy shouldn't
be here for, like, a rage bait for you guys.
We'll get to that right now. Was it a low blow?
It was. It was actually a low blow. Oh, yeah.
It was low. I suppose it was a low blow. That
being said, I don't think there's anything Dubois
has for Usyk this time. Unless Usyk gets old
overnight. Do you guys have your phones handy?
Yeah, I have two monitors on my computer. Alright,
so if you go to the Lux Media Instagram, go there,
scroll down a bit on the page, and you will see.
I took one still. I found it. It's not mine.
Can we look at the picture? The picture of the...
The knockdown? The alleged low blow? Yes. Alleged,
not alleged. I don't know anymore. Let me find
it. There it is. It's below the beltline. You
think? What if his trunks are high? No, I don't
care. Usyk's trunks are not high, though. That's
the way I'll put it. If they were up to his nipples...
Like Tyson Fury? Yeah. No fucking low blow. But
Usyk, Usyk, like you can see Usyk's belly button.
It was a low blow. Like below the belt, like
it could have, like now I don't agree that Dubois
just jumped the gun and punched him right in
the cock. It definitely was like the cup that
he's wearing pushing into his balls. But also,
like Dubois is like a... 200 and whatever pound
dude punching you in full force. Of course it's
gonna hurt. Of course it's gonna hurt. Even if
it's like the cups are there to make sure your
fucking balls don't burst. But it's still gonna
hurt. So it looks on the beltline from this angle.
From this angle? Oh my god. I also don't... I
will say, Usyk, if he had started counting, Usyk
would have just gotten up. Yeah. That's what
I'm saying, yeah. It probably wasn't even, like,
even if he did get hurt by it, and, like, they
still had the fight go on, Usyk probably would
have went through it. Yeah. Would have went through
the damn storm. I'll tell you. You know what,
though? Dude, watch and try punching him in the
balls more this time. Can we talk about the...
Can we talk about the comeback that Dubois had,
actually? It's probably one of the best. He has
transformed as a person. Exactly. He's a totally
different person now. The comeback that Dubois
has had is probably one of the best comebacks
in boxing since forming, in my opinion. Honestly,
the Hergovich win was probably more impressive
to me than the AJ win, just because of how it
happened during the fight. Well, the fight started
with Dubois just getting clocked in the face
with right hands for two rounds straight. But
it's dynamite, man. He has dynamite in his hands.
No, that's what I mean, though. But in previous
ones, he just kind of kept getting clocked in
the face and quit. You know, what's funny is
that I remember that everybody was rooting for
Hergovich. They really wanted him to win because
they really believed he was going to be the...
Everybody thought he was the boogeyman, remember?
On the server? Everybody thought he was the boogeyman.
Hergevich? Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Yeah.
Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Except me, of course.
Actually, if you go back in the server and look,
I actually was the one that was saying that Dubois
was going to win. I don't want to toot my own
horn, but... I just had little faith in Dubois.
I was of little faith. Nah, after I saw what
he did to Jarrell Miller, I know it's fucking
Jarrell Miller, but still. It's Jarrell Miller,
bro. The last 10 seconds, he had... He knocked
someone out within the last 10 seconds. You gotta
ask the dog in you. You have to have a killer
instinct. You know what I mean? And after I saw
it, I was like, damn. I never knew Dubois was
like that. I mean, obviously, after Usyk, for
sure, but... You know what I mean? Losing to
Usyk, it's Usyk. You know what I mean? It's not...
I mean, it's also on how he lost. Like, he just
got his ass beat. There was nothing. Like, the
low blow was the only moment of success he had.
Yeah, but that's Usyk, bro. Usyk. Usyk body fury.
Twice. You know what I mean? Yeah. So to do as
well as he did against Usyk does say quite a
bit. Yeah. He was really competitive in the beginning.
I just switched it. My opinion of Dubois entirely
changed in the Hergovich fight, because Hergovich,
for two rounds straight, just pieced him up.
And I'm like, okay, Dubois is going to get pieced
up, maybe have some moments, and then quit, right?
The usual. You can't stop talking to him, dude.
Yeah, you know, he crawled back and beat the
shit out of Hergovich, and then he didn't even
let AJ have a single moment. transformation.
The only moment AJ had was his last. Yeah, that
was... Boxer -sized Ben does him again, guys.
I'm glad that... You gotta do that rear right
uppercut with both your hands down. I wonder
who taught him that. They should have been given
trainer of the year. They were robbed. Fuck Robert.
They should have given it to him. Who the hell
that wet was? Ben Davidson. I love Robert. Ben
Davidson was a secret agent for the Dubois camp
there. Yeah, it was horrible. That was horrible.
Fucking bonehead performance from the corner.
Dubois, I'm glad he's been given Usyk again.
I think he well deserves it. He's the most deserving,
I guess. I think he deserves it more than Joseph
Parker. He deserves it more than a furry trilogy.
I wanted to see him fight Parker. Parker kind
of got fucked. I don't want to see that fight.
I'm not a big fan of Joe Parker. I think, yeah.
We'll see what happens with Usyk. If he beats
him, that would be awesome. If not, that would
also be awesome because I love Usyk. I love both
guys. I want to see Usyk. I just want to see
Usyk retire undefeated. It'd be so nice to just
have a guy. The man. The man of the generation.
No blemishes. Literally cleaned everyone out.
Twice, usually. Still Britain. Retired on top.
And then... Like, at least... Yeah. Destroyed
British heavyweight boxing forever. Retired.
You want to... You want to go a little further
since we have to extend this out? I'll give you
something to ask. Okay? Out of all the heavyweights...
Oh, no. I'm not sleeping. What am I saying? Out
of all the heavyweights of all time, what would
you play Tuesday? If he retires undefeated, he
defeats... It's Dubois by knocking him out again.
What would you rate him? Amongst all heavyweights.
I'm saying top 10. Top 10? Top 10, and then I
need to actually think about it and put together
a top 5, top 10. Yeah, I would say top 20. Easy
top 20. Depends how much you value pre -Ali boxing.
I value very much. That's why he's top 20 for
me. Because I go like, I understand the accolades
of some of these guys, but then you watch the
fights and you watch the Usyk fights and you're
like, okay, Usyk is a giant in this era and also
just beats the shit out of these guys on skill.
I think we're about to argue right now. Because
the amount of guys from back then, I get it,
they were smaller, but... They were like 170.
They're light heavyweights. And like 5 '7", light
heavyweights. And Usyk is 6 '3", and like...
220. Which is like... Ali looked big. And Ali
weighed like 215. Yeah, like he beat Sonny Liston
weighing 210 and 206. And he was 6 '3". It's
like, like, I don't know. Like, I feel like we've
reached a point in this, like we've reached a
point, especially I feel like Lennox Lewis onward
where like you really, you like, you have to
split up your list between like. legacy and actual,
like, head -to -head skill and, like, ability
to beat each other. The heavyweight division
right now can be split up into two eras. The
BL era and the AL era. Before Lewis and after
Lewis. Yeah. Because, like, Lennox Lewis is,
like, the first... I feel like Lennox Lewis is,
like, the first actually top 10 huge heavyweight.
Yeah. Yeah, like, top 10 pound -to -pound huge
heavyweight, yeah. And it hasn't been the same
since. Because now they're all fucking British.
Yeah, but U6 also, like, I don't know. Like,
I understand. Like, even in BoxRec, you look
at their top ten heavyweights and you have, like,
Jack Dempsey at number nine. And I'm like, I
understand. Legacy -wise, Jack Dempsey's probably
top ten. But also, you were not going to tell
me to my face that he beats, like, anyone like
Ali and beyond. No, I don't think he would. No,
you can't. But for the times, there's two top
ten lists you can make. There's a legacy one
and a realistic one. There's another one where
you put Mike Tyson at the top and it says that
he beats everybody else. And then I say that
Riddick Bowe would have beat him in the same
era. I counter you by saying Ali needs everybody.
Riddick Bowe. See, that's what I mean. If you
pick skill for skill, where do guys like Riddick
Bowe who don't have the accolades or the resume
but so obviously have the skill? If Holyfield
is a top 10 heavyweight or top 15 heavyweight
and Riddick Bowe being the guy who comprehensively
beat him in his heavyweight prime... Well...
I'll tell you this, I think that Bo would struggle
in certain eras and do better in certain eras.
I think he was right where he should have been.
He did both in the same era, though. Yeah. Just
on focus. Yeah. So there's a conversation I had
with Shannara a while ago, and it was actually
about how do you rate people? Because when you
think about... Like, comparing Ali, how much
of it is out -of -the -ring stuff that gets him
so high up on people's lists? Ali's a rare case,
though, because he beat so many genuine... Most
of the guys he beat probably could have been
that guy of the era. Joe Frazier could have been
that guy. No, it would have been Foreman. It
would have been Foreman. But the Foreman, I feel
like the win that makes his legacy the most is
a Foreman and the third Frazier win, though.
No. No. Like, that's where his legacy is in terms
of, like, being, like, because... I think every
fight, most fights he had were legacy fights.
I consider all Frazier fights were legacy fights.
Yeah, but, like, the number one... number one
for being, like, the greatest? Well, I would
say there's two fights when I think of Ali. The
two first fights I think of might be a little
controversial is obviously Sonny Liston and George
Foreman. Yeah. Now, obviously, yeah, the Frazier
fights were great, and, you know, as a knower
of boxing, obviously, I know how great it is,
but... As a casual, if I were to see it from
the casual standpoint, I think the most well
-known Ali fights and the most legendary ones
are the listing and Foreman fights. Yeah. And
honestly, Ali was a damn good heavyweight. I
don't know what you guys are talking about. Saying
that, you know, you don't know what you'd rate
him on. No, but the thing is that, like, the
thing is you can rate him really highly, but
also, like, I see Leo's point where how much
of his accolades and how the accolades are reflected
upon are looked at as kindly because of the out
-of -the -ring stuff. I think he had great accolades.
I don't know what you're talking about. I understand
he has the roster of Hall of Famers. But there's
also guys that are propped up as Hall of Famers
as a result of existing in the same area that
may be... Yeah, like, because they existed alongside
Ali. Because Ken Norton's a Hall of Famer, right?
Like, I don't mean Ken Norton, because he still
had legendary fights with Larry Holmes and stuff.
I'm saying guys like Jimmy Young or Ron Lyle.
Well, don't tell me that Ron Lyle... How much
rep do guys like Ron Lyle get off of... I think
Ron Lyle was a good puncher, but the thing is,
I agree with you, is that... I mean... Yeah,
I think he's in the Hall of Fame because of the
era he was in. Like, how much rep do these guys
get? But, I mean, that just tells you how good
the era was. How fun it was. Imagine we had an
era like that. Yeah. I'll tell you, I mean, I
think Ali would do good in most areas. Oh, he
absolutely would. I think he would beat Mike
Tyson. He would beat, in my opinion, it might
be a little controversial. I think he'd probably
beat Usyk. That's a good one. Usyk -Ali is like
an actual dream. It's actually a dream fight,
though. Just because they're similarly sized.
like, skillful, quick heavyweights. Like, that's
one for the purists. Also, they would, I know
this might sound silly, but they would also rob
Usyk even if he won. They would still rob him.
Depending on where it's at. Knowing how Don King
would do that shit. I don't know. Like, historical
revisionism is always funny because, like, you
know, like, you just have to, you do, end up
having to take the out of the ring stuff with
ali well the thing is ali ali you can see the
merit in the argument at least for him being
good this whole time right yeah but you can't
properly but you can't properly gauge his opponents
because of how because they're next like they're
fighting ali like they all have name value see
i understand that and the thing is i see i see
what you're saying i agree with what you're saying
My thing is, I think a better example is Mike
Tyson. That's the one where I hear that people
say he's one of the greatest heavyweights of
all time. Where I can see, again, I can kind
of see merit, but I don't agree at all. I really
do not agree at all. Mike Tyson is the most hype
moments and aura heavyweight of all time. Mike
Tyson, if Mike Tyson was fighting now, he'd be
like Ben Whittaker. Like, that type of, like,
hype job. Hype moments and aura. That's true.
Like, that's so true. He was a good fighter.
Yeah, he was, like, he had a TOP syndrome. I
mean, after... He's not, like, an all -time great,
I agree, actually. Yeah, yeah, he's not an all
-time great. No, he is an all -time great, but
he's not, like, a top 10. Yeah, exactly. That's
my point, yeah. He's, like, a legendary all -time
great fighter. But it's not the same as being
one of the best fighters of all time. One of
the best heavyweights. He was. I feel like a
more interesting... With heavyweight, though,
you always end up with the same selection of
guys, basically. I feel like light heavyweights
were... Like, lower weight classes, you have
more fun with the historical ratings. Like...
Oh, yeah. Because... Like, would a... Like, a
light heavyweight, like, obviously... Like, my
take for light heavyweight is that Roy Jones
Jr. at his absolute peak destroys anyone ever
to compete at 175. Um... Well... That's my take.
Bar none? Like, it's like at his absolute, absolute
peak. Yeah. Like, there's just... It's just not
even a contest. Come on, man. I would, like,
you can't say Andre Ward because I already have
guys that I rate above him. Like, I'd argue Matthew
Saad Mohamed. Yeah, I'm trying to play devil
out of kit. Yeah, no, like, Roy Jones Jr. was
just... Yeah, like, just... Like, God. Like,
just watching the fights is like... Like, this
is the closest we get to, like, holy fuck. Like,
it's just perfect. This is a superhuman? Yeah,
like, stuff we get about, like, Sugar Ray Robinson
is word of mouth because his prime was before
the recorded video. But, like, Roy Jones Jr.
was just legit superhuman. He'd knock guys out
before they would realize they were knocked out.
They'd be on their feet and they wouldn't even
know. Yeah, no, they were superhuman. Like, my
favorite guy of all time is, like, Dwight Muhammad
Kaui, right? But, like, I got to admit, like,
glaze aside, Roy Jones Jr. was just, like, like,
at light heavyweight, there's no one. Literally
no one. I think... Roy Jones being a superhuman
is a good place to leave it. Yeah. Positive note.
Yeah, very positive. Roy Jones, to me, is also
one of the top three, not three types. Maybe
not top three, but you get the picture. Thanks.
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