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Yeah, I didn't. God, as much as I love these
weird Canadian cards, I did not watch this one.
You know what? I didn't get a chance to see that
I was kind of hoping to see. Brian Mendoza and
Shane Mosley Jr., they were on that card that
was in Albuquerque, that Marv Nation that had
Rampage Jackson as the headliner. And Rashad
Evans. Yeah, they were boxing their first time.
Oh, here's something for the Canadian card that
didn't happen. Wyatt Sanford was supposed to
make his pro debut against some guy, but it got
delayed. It got delayed. The TBA, or I guess
Sean Archer now. Oh, how fun. Yeah. So Shea Mosley
Jr. won, right? I cannot find results. It's Marv
Nation, man. Takes a bit. The Thunder Studios
cards are usually better about it. Hey, but 15
,000 tickets were sold. Damn, that's probably
more than this matchup place. BoxRec can confirm.
It's either 15 or 15 ,000. If you look at the
BoxRec page for Shane Mosley Jr. It could be
either. It could be either. Yeah, I choose to
believe that. At The Pit, Albuquerque. That's
the only reason I even got this on my radar was
because of the name The Pit. It sounds either
very good or very bad. Fernando Vargas Jr. was
also on there. I don't even know if he won. No
results at all. Yeah, no results. Just the ticket
sales. They sold 15 tickets. Or 15 ,000. That
would make me sad if they only sold 15. Shane
Mosley Jr. was on the undercard. He's the golden
boy, right? Yes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, bye. Man, poor
Brian Mendoza on this card, though. What a fall
from grace. Well, like, he killed Fundora and
then immediately got fed the Sioux and Bo -Chuck.
And then Mendoza ate a bee. That's an emote in
the Discord. Yeah. His swollen -ass face. Oh,
yeah. So, Virgil Ortiz is better than Alton?
Yeah. Seems to be. The triangle theory way? Yeah,
because Boachuk beat Mendoza, and Mendoza beat
the fuck out of Andorra. So, Virgil's better
than all of them, which means Virgil should be
out of speed. He's robbed. Hold on. Bokrum is
still out here. Yeah, that's true. Demon mode.
Virgil is undisputed in our hearts. True. He's
undisputed in my heart. Slightly disputed. Gabriella
Fundora is in there for you, Alex. That's right.
No, no. is podcast and pro box are my heart yeah
pro box is the undisputed champ of my heart let's
move it to boardwalk hall geron ennis what fucking
let me get some stuff he's him he's him uh chakram
ghiasov ko4 over franco ocampo um very good to
watch considering the What happened? Yeah. Congratulations.
Amari Jones, KO1 over William Jackson. The hype
train continues to build up steam. Oh, yeah.
Not sure if I could say the same here. Ray Ford,
UD over Thomas Matisse. He was very good. He
was very good that night. It's just the guy doesn't
have a lot of power. You know, that's what I
was going to say is like I was this is he had
the kind of performance that you would expect,
but it didn't end the way that it should when
you're fighting guys like this. The thing is
that Ray Ford is again, he doesn't have any power.
So, I mean, what can you really expect from the
guy? Right, right. So he's going to outbox the
hell out of him. He's not going to beat him.
Shit. As long as he's realistic with himself
and doesn't talk promise. Especially in the awake
class. Right. Yeah. Promise like fucking earthquake
shattering knockouts. Don't do that. He's not
even on his bike either. He does box. He just
has no power. Which I like about Ray Ford. I
do think Ray Ford is a pretty entertaining fighter.
The guy doesn't have a lot of power. You know,
I like watching his skill a lot. You know? He's
like Oscar Valdez. Yeah. Well, no, I think he's
a lot better than Oscar Valdez. Yeah, he's more
technically skilled than Valdez. But Valdez gets
hit, and that makes it exciting in a way. It
makes it exciting. We'll get to that later. Yeah.
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Ennis takes a Monta Stanionis' WBA title, his
O. And his girl. I don't know about that one.
I was an early adopter of Boots. I wasn't impressed
by his performance at all. Really? Is what I
would say if it was opposite day. You fucking
got me. You got me, bro. That was a damn good
performance from Boots. I was stunned. I was
shocked. And honestly, like... I forgot what
I said last podcast about Boots. You see why
Cody Crowley doubted him. Oh, yeah, for sure.
But last podcast, I remember if I was saying
that, like, I knew Boots was going to win, of
course, but I honestly was surprised he won that
fashion that quick. Well, Karen, like, Chikudzian
is such a negative opponent. He's so negative.
Black hole of excitement. Yeah, like, I feel
like anyone could fight him and look bad, and
it doesn't mean it would be close either. Like
a Sandler Martin type fighter? More or less,
yeah. Like, he's just so negative that, like,
whenever he tried to open up with boots, he got
hurt. He even got dropped in the second fight.
It's just, he said, like, some people, like,
just don't grasp that, where, like, the Avenisian
performance where he just beat the shit out of
this poor guy. The thing about the Avenisian
performance is that I don't even remember that.
The only reason why I remember that performance
is because of what day it was. That was... You
guys remember that day? Yeah. That day was crazy,
huh? I feel like the... You don't remember? What
was on that day? The assassination attempt? Oh,
yeah, fuck. Yeah, that was insane. I was working.
I was like, what the fuck? Oh, I took my 30 and
one of my coworkers was like, yo, someone just
shot Trump. And I'm just like, what? Well, maybe
we shouldn't say that on the air. Nah, it's fine.
I can cut it. It's a thing that happened. We're
about to get deported. speak for yourselves.
We could cut that one out. I feel like the though
like I feel like the performance like everyone
should have like in terms of higher tier opponents
was the Lipnets one. Yeah. Just an ass beating
against a very similar opponent to Stanionis.
The thing with this fight again I praise Boots.
I'm not going to take this win away from him
at all. He was amazing that night. Like, he looked...
I don't want to glaze a lot. Go ahead and glaze,
man. He looked phenomenal. He looked phenomenal,
no doubt about it. Leo, you remember that other
day I was arguing with Jacob? That other guy
in the server? Yes, I think so. And he was like...
Because he's a Boots Glazer, right? And the thing
is that... The thing that pissed me off, not
pissed me off, because I wasn't mad, but it's
just that guy couldn't understand that Boots
has his flaws. And in this fight, I still saw
those flaws, but I don't really think that Staniotis
wasn't really taking advantage of him as much
as he could have. You know what I mean? Like,
the whole standing in the pocket shit, he kind
of was doing that this time around. Not as often
as he did last fight. But he still would stand
straight and wouldn't move around a lot. You
know what I mean? Oh, yeah. In some aspects of
the fight. And the thing is that if Stan Jonas,
I think if Stan Jonas threw more, and he would
have, because Stan Jonas was catching boots a
lot. I mean, his accuracy was pretty good. You
know what I mean? It's just that if he threw
more, I think he could have done a little more
damage. The fight could have gone on a lot longer.
But that should be. That should be. Part of it
is that Boots isn't just his flashy aspects.
He's mean. He's got a chin on him. He's aggressive.
The guy's aggressive. He's mean. He has a chin.
He can take the shot. We'll see about that in
the future. I really don't think it was tested
too much this fight. I don't think so either.
You know, I think... if Stanios caught him really
well, because Stanios did catch him, but he caught
him mainly with jabs and straight crosses, you
know? But he didn't catch him with a good, really
good hook, you know? Yeah. I need to see Boots
take a hook straight to the face from a good
power puncher to see how much he has. You know
what I mean? That's part of it, though. I don't
think he's ever going to take, like, a huge,
huge shot. Like, he's leaky, but it's the...
I feel like it's a similar... I've described
Tank this way, too, in the past, where you are
susceptible to a lot of pity -pat shots leaking
through, but you're aware enough to not get caught
by something huge. With Tank, I would disagree,
but we'll talk about that today. I think Keisha
would catch him pretty well. Yeah. No, I mean,
obviously, I was proven wrong. rather recently
with tank but in terms of like boots i feel like
it's the same principle where like that me he'd
rather he won't compromise in his offense to
deal with shots that he doesn't deem worth uh
dealing with yeah because it's a lot of pity
pat stuff but as soon as like he gets winged
with a big shot you can see he's on his game
defensively Go on. You need someone sneaky. Someone
sneaky? It's got to be someone sneaky who can
actually get to him. Which, weirdly enough, a
fight with Crawford would probably be the most
fun thing. Because Crawford is sneaky like that.
Sneaky like that. With Crawford, that would have
been a great fight, but that's never going to
happen. No, it's not going to happen. But you
see what I mean about how Crawford's crafty enough
to slip in a hard shot instead of making it obvious.
You see, the thing is, I think the best fight
to make right now, I mean, what's currently standing
is a Norman fight, a unification with Norman.
With Brian Norman, yeah. Because going up, there's
nobody that he can fight. If he sees that match
room, There's nobody that he can fight at 154.
That's worth of shit. At 147, though, I mean,
Norman is probably more likely to get a fight
than any of the PBC guys. He's definitely going
to own Norman. Yeah, everything that Norman does.
The only thing I would give Norman over boots
would be hand speed. And even that, I'm seriously
questioning it now. And power. He does have more
power than Boots, in my opinion, but I still
think if Boots is a little reckless, he could
get caught, and he could potentially get caught
good. But it's... Boots is... I just... This
is definitely glazing, but I feel like Boots
just has the awareness of, like, he knows what's
coming back at him. Like, it takes someone...
It takes, like, a special level of either negativity
or craftiness to spoil that level of awareness.
You know, I still personally think, and this
is going to be Blaze too, that Virgil Ortiz would
beat Boots in a fight. No. It's a style thing,
though. I don't know. I think Virgil would catch
him really well. And also the fact that Virgil
went toe -to -toe with someone like Belichick.
We know that Belichick has style, right? Boots
has the movement to not need it, if necessary.
What I'm saying is I don't think Virgil will
get done like Stan Jonas. No, not at all. I think
that fight would – it either goes the distance
for boots or Virgil knocks him out. You know
what I mean? That's the only ways I see that
fight going. Well, it could – cumulative punishment
could also happen. I don't know. Virgil went
to war with – Boa Chuck, dude. Boa Chuck is on
fire. Boots places his shots in such a way that
it's mean. It's just mean how he operates. Because
they're placed in such a way that you're not
going to like, yeah, he one -shots guys, but
also they're placed in a way where you feel it.
He's aggressive. The big reason why I like boots
a lot is because he's aggressive. He's on the
front foot. Oh yeah. Again, he has the movement
and the explosiveness that if you give him something
worth getting out of the way of, he can get on
his horse and do that too. You'll do the Crawford
take a punch to give a punch. Yeah. That's why,
like, I just don't think anyone except for Crawford
in the vicinity has that, like, level of craftiness
to, like, meaningfully harm him. Yeah, I agree.
But it's Glaze. It's totally Glaze. It's just
Glaze, though. I was about to say, I think that
is Glaze because I think someone like Virgil
Ortiz, who's also very aggressive, who you know
will come out swinging. Yeah. Could clip boots
really well. But Virgil would need an extra dimension
offensively. That I don't think we've seen. Well,
I think he has more dimensions than Stanley Onus.
Yeah. For sure. And I think that would obviously
be Crawford's probably hardest fight. Yeah. Out
of all the fighters he could fight, he would
probably be the hardest. And I think that...
Because the thing with slick fighters is that
their kryptonite is an aggressive power puncher.
I don't think you can categorize Boots as just
slick, though. Well, not just slick, but he is
a slick fighter, though. In my opinion, he is
a slick fighter. The way he throws punches and
dodges, he is slick. Oh, absolutely. Again, the
only problem I have with him is that he just
likes to stand around sometimes and just takes
punishment for no reason. But, again, I mean,
that's why he didn't do it much, which I liked,
you know? I would say hopefully I was wrong about
the fact that in his last fight with Chuka Sedazian,
he didn't respect him much. But still, you can
still get caught with some bullshit, you know
what I mean? Yeah, but it's just the level of
craft. Obviously, your level of alertness is
way higher with someone like Virgil than with
someone who is just overtly negative as a Terran.
Yeah, I agree. I'll admit I was wrong about that.
It's also just spacing. Boots is big and has
a longer reach than Virgil. It's just the way
Boots utilizes spacing. A lot of it is getting
a guy to overextend and then punishing it tenfold.
Stan Jonas had to overextend. He had to hop in.
He has to reach the full length of his range
and a bit more. Just with how Boots positions
himself. I've also seen a lot of times in the
fight where Boots also overextended himself.
Except Stan Jonas didn't really take advantage
of those overextensions. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah. I feel like that comes with confidence.
Yeah. But I feel like that comes in the observation
period with confidence, right? Like, once Boots
knows he's better than Stanionis, of course he's
going to overextend and punish him. Yeah. Yeah,
that's true. It's a different dynamic of the
fight. Like, Virgil is on par. He's not... You're
going to, like... Weirdly enough, Ennis looked
great, but, like, obviously he can still be sharper,
if that makes sense. Oh, yeah, sure. We said
this last time about Jalalov, right? Like, he
doesn't take it out of first gear because he
doesn't really have to. Yeah. And that's, I feel
like, how Enes operates defensively. I disagree
with that notion. I agree with that notion, but
I disagree with him for doing that. Yeah. No,
like, it's not good that he does it. It's not
good that he does it, but he does do it. Yeah.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I'm not saying he's
a genius for making his fights more risky doing
it, but also, if it isn't fun. Well, I mean,
I haven't really watched a boots fight that wasn't
really fun. Yeah. All his fights I have enjoyed.
They're easy to watch. I think he's good for
the casual audience. I think I'm surprised that
he's not really known too much amongst the casual
audience. Because no one wanted to fight him.
He was the complete product so quickly. Usually
with the project guys who aren't amateur standouts.
Because Boots is technically a project guy. If
you look at the start of his career to now. But
the thing is that he developed so into the full
thing so quickly. There was no room to promote
him without just giving him bigger fish. Yeah,
like how, like, Top Rank promotes the prospect.
Yeah, like, it went, like, you just, like, because
he was on Showbox. Yeah. And, like, just he outgrew
that quicker than, like, they could give him
guys. And also, PBT just does not develop prospects
well. Well, that's what Showbox is for, but...
Again, he went from, like, showbox level to world
title level. And, like, he's been the complete
product for a while. Well, yeah, he's been the
complete product for a while, no doubt about
it, you know. But you also, you need to consider
the fact that, like, there's a, like, even Lipinets
at the time was a higher, you need to consider
the value of the opponent relative to him. at
the time of their fight at the time of their
fight like right now yeah we know who boots is
like the value the value is approximate but like
at the time of the welterweight like you weren't
gonna say yeah sure let me send like yeah sure
hey arrow spence how do you feel about fighting
boots ennis like who the fuck who's still on
showbox or uh Like, any welterweight contender
who was still around at the time, like, Keith
Thurman was not fighting boots. Well, fuck no.
Mikey Garcia was not fighting boots. Chris Van
Heerden? That was... Yeah, like... It's fun.
Van Heerden got cut and then, like, quit after
getting his ass beat for a minute. Yeah, in 2019,
like, me, like, all, like, Sergey Lipnits was
number nine at welterweight, and he was, like,
the most reasonable opponent to give boots. Because
otherwise, it was Ugas, Danny Garcia, Sean Porter,
Thurman, Pacquiao, Crawford, Spence. That's,
like, a heavy, like... Which, like, you can't...
You can't give any of those guys Boots as an
opponent value -wise because he's on showbox.
It's like Xander Zayas fighting the other guys
that have won before. Even if he's ready. No,
it's worse because Boots was ready. Yeah, I was
about to say that. I was about to say that. Boots
is ready versus Xander Zayas. He's not. It's
like those guys fighting Xander Zayas, though.
Yeah, you give him lip nads, and then you build
his profile on undercards. But, like, he's still
been the finished product. So I understand, especially
because you can't, you just can't pull a welterweight
contender who wants to fight him. Because, like,
even, like, Cody Crowley was offered a career
high, like, twice as much money as he's ever
made, a world title opportunity to fight boots.
And he chose to retire. Yeah. instead of fight
Boots. He was having trouble within his family
life. Oh, I know, but also... He would have gotten
hurt real bad if he wouldn't have been all the
way focused. Yeah, but I mean, even in the rankings,
Stanionis beat Butaev, who didn't want to fight
Boots. I don't know, man. With Boots, I think
he's going to get... Not the benefit of streaming.
But his career for the next couple of years is
going to be pretty slow, depending on what decision
he makes. Because, I mean, if he stays at 147,
I doubt he's going to get a fight with the other
champions. Maybe Norman is his probably best
bet. Because I doubt TBC is not going to give
the WBC that fucking... As much as I malign Turkey
Al -Ashiq, Boots is on the right side of the
street right now. Turkey decides to, especially
because Turkey loves a good power puncher. I
feel like Boots is a perfect action figure to
play with for Turkey. Well, the problem with
that is it really depends on if they wanted the
other champions to be on the same card. Because
I wanted the PBC fighter and I wanted the top
-ranked fighter. And from what we've seen recently
in recent boxing politics, They're kind of moving
away a little bit from that. Well, it's because
the money's starting to dry up. They're putting
it into that TKO nonsense. Yeah. But the thing
is, like, next Riaj season, because right now,
remember, we're in that dead zone. Like, Riaj
season starts again, and Saudi Arabia needs a
supercard, and 154 is basically available. The
thing with that is it really depends if Boots
wants to go to 154, which from the way it sounds,
I really doubt he wants to. And also, I really
don't think that's a good career decision right
now unless it was to buy a virtual. But it's
also like, what does Boots do? Because he only
has, especially because he's the guy where...
yeah he's got the fundamentals in check but also
he's gonna look like shit overnight he's just
gonna get old one day oh yeah no yeah for sure
because the way the way he moves that's not sustainable
no even his power punching like the precision
comes from the speed it's speed and then placement
instead of placement first i mean shit his speed
is impeccable you know no i know but the placement
it's the placement and speed but once the speed
goes the placement's gonna go too and the power
yeah the power's the last to go out of all that
yeah because his feet's gonna go as well like
he's 27 he's 27 right now let's say he gets to
like 33 34 with all of his reflexes intact like
five years seems like a long time But, like,
five, six years seems like a long time. But,
like, if he fights twice a year, fuck, it's short.
Boy, if he fights, like, in August or July, like,
that's going to be four times a year, which is
really, within a year time span, that's pretty
active. It's good. But, like, the thing is that
you want these fights to be better than, like,
Evanesian. Oh, yeah, for sure. Or Castillo Clayton.
The thing with Boots is that he just... I just
need to see him fight some good competition like
Norman. But I doubt they're going to give him
something like that. That's the best competition
he has. That's like the only competition he has.
And it's not even that close. Yeah. It's kind
of hard because there's not a lot of guys that
can match him. I think the only guy that can
really match his level... It's probably Virgil
at 154. Like, I really, like, him being with
Matchroom is a double -edged sword because Matchroom,
just through the Turkey connection, kind of adds
access to everyone. But when you don't have access
to anyone, you're in the shits. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Like, Michael McKinson is, like, your Matchroom
option at 147. That's probably his next fight,
honestly. Or, yeah, so. Which, I don't want to
be controversial. I really mean this in not the,
I don't mean this in the rude way at all. Like,
I'm happy that he, he asked off one. But I don't
want to see him fight Boots, dude. I really don't.
Because this is just, I just think what happened
with his daughter, dude. I would feel so bad
to see him get beat up like that. It's just pointless,
too. Like. Yeah, it's pointless. He has Boots.
Like, he's a guy with a record who's. getting
up there and then like he just gets his ass beat
by boots i'm like cool we gotta wait another
four months or six months or however months to
see if someone wants to fight him yeah like i
really wish that like whatever boat like the
fucking fatal theory oh like i really wish we
would like so like low key Like, yeah, him fighting
Ryan is an ass -beating, but also, like, I need
the promo. Like, what Boots just needs more than
anything is just, like, good promotion in his
fights that are more than just, this guy's really
good. I think a fight with Ryan could probably
boost his pay -per -view potential. Oh, hell
yeah. That would get your eyes on him. That would
definitely, like, that would, like, fucking jumpstart
his career, you know? The selling point is way
more than just, hey. This guy is really good.
The selling point is, like, hey, can Boots talk
shit? Like, can Boots talk shit? We still don't
know if Boots can talk shit because he's just
that good at boxing. I think with Boots, he can
talk shit for sure. He's a Philly fighter. He's
going to talk shit. But that's what I mean. As
soon as... We get, especially with the Bozienis
there too, we can have the fucking crazy -ass
fathers. As soon as Boots can cut a promo, even
if he's the B -side to Ryan Garcia, if he proves
that he can cut a promo beyond this guy's the
best in the world, the paydays just present themselves
by fighting him in Philly. I mean, I think...
In my opinion, this is very controversial, which
if you want to call in, you can. Tell me how
wrong I am. Of course, like how you guys always
do. I still think if he does fight Ryan, that's
still a pretty dangerous fight. In my opinion,
actually, the most dangerous fight for him at
147. Besides Norman, of course. No, of course.
Because Ryan's not a scrub. Yeah, Ryan's not
a scrub. And also, I mean... If Boots does get
hit with a left hook, dude, he might just fucking,
you know... See, I'm of the opinion that he beats
Ryan's ass. But also, like, there's... See, that's
part of the promo, though. This guy's really
good. But... Can Ryan beat him? Can Ryan beat
him? And, like, it's just... It's perfect. Like,
it's a perfect setup. just for boots is the rest
of his critique because once he falls off he's
it's gonna be like you're never gonna want to
watch him again after he falls off it's gonna
be like a roy jones level fall off yeah you think
so or like his fucking magic powers will be gone
overnight man i actually agree that's actually
perfect the way you said it the roy jones level
fall off is if what happens to boots if If he
falls off, it's going to happen like that. It
will literally look like he just forgot how to
move. Just because his legs won't give him what
he's used to them giving him. And it's a game
of inches. It's a game of inches. It's like,
oh, I used to be able to sway and roll a shot
and then counter. And now it's, why am I getting
hit by this? Why isn't my counter there? Why
is my jab just a little short? Like, it's a lot
of things. I would tell you, dude, I think Boots
versus Ryan, like, that would be a perfect Riyadh
event, dude. Like, perfect headliner for a match
versus Golden Boy fight, dude. Oh, that would
be a goaded card. That would be, honestly, like,
again, it's fucking silly because, of course,
it's Ryan Garcia, but, man, dude, like, I think
that's potentially, like, $500 ,000 pay -per
-view, dude. In my opinion. At the very least,
there's guys like Alexis Rocha and Goldenboy
to die. Giovanni Santillan, the guy who lost
to Brian Norman. Don Kingflair. Blair the Flare
Cobb. Fuck no. Absolutely not. Rohan Polanco.
I was going to say, at least wheel out Broner.
I know Blair beat his ass, but also give Broner
one last good promotion. He's got alimony to
pay. Plus the fines from when he defrauded some
NBA players? Exactly. Like, as much as, like,
he's so washed and it's not even worth Boots'
time. Like, come on. I need to see Broner one
last time. I can't have him go down. I can't
have him go out sad. Oh. Boots versus Broner?
That would be great. It'd be fun. Boots, the
promotion would be fun. Like, that's the thing.
Like, if Boots isn't fighting, like, his legacy
fights, the promotions need to be fun. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, this promotion itself with Boots
vs. Dan was just, it was pretty abysmal, honestly.
Well, because, like, the whole thing is, like,
Eddie doesn't know how to promote a guy yet,
still. You either get the, this guy is really
good, or they promote themselves. Yeah. Like
with AJ, what promotion did he do with AJ other
than this guy is really good? And with Usyk,
this guy is really good. The thing with AJ is
that he kind of promoted himself. Yeah, because
he was a brand. AJ was a brand. Yeah, he's also
a Brit. They love their fighters. You saw him
when Usyk was with Matchroom. Those promotions
fucking sucked because all Eddie could ever do
in any of the advertising was, this guy's really
good. He's one of the best of all time. He's
the best today. He's great. The promotion needs
to be fun. PBC's always done that, though. The
promotions are great. PBC fights are just legendary.
Not legendary, but what's the word? Of course,
legendary, but they're just grand in nature,
you know what I mean? They're an event. They're
an event. They're not just a fight. It actually
feels like a real boxing event, you know what
I mean? It has that old -school HBO boxing feeling,
you know? That is just bland. Tank Roach, if
it were promoted by any group other than PBC,
would have been a disappointment in how the fight
went. But just because of the storytelling, like,
the storytelling and the promotion and just in
general, like, how PBC is able to, like, do a
narrative that gets fans invested. They've been
in the business for years. Yeah, it went from,
like, ah, Tank Davis was a fraud to, like, damn,
this Roja guy is good. Let's see a rematch and
then... That's good how they spin the narrative
because, you know, Tank is still a fraud, but...
No, this is... I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
Tank's not a fraud. I know, I know. You know,
he's a little questionable. Well... A fraud watch
is on hold until the rematch happens. Yeah. Let
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thing. I titled this because all the promotions,
all the British promotions are on it, so I just
called this the British card. Yeah. And it's
struggling to care, but let's go from the bottom
up. Vidal Riley versus Siobhan Clark. At Cruiserweights,
Chris Billum -Smith versus Brandon Glanton, also
at Cruiserweights. Actually, that fight's fucking...
That fight's going to be fire. Brandon Glanton
is a fun fight. Both guys are 20 -2. That's pretty
cool. Yeah. Now, if you watched Brandon Glanton's
fight with David Light, that fight was so good.
And, like, Billum -Smith isn't good enough to
make it boring, so... It'll be good. Moving up.
Anthony Yard versus Lyndon Arthur again. Is this
the third time they're doing this shit? It's
the third time. They're 1 -1 so far. Oh, that's
right. I forgot Lyndon Arthur won the first one.
He squeaked out a split decision in 2020. And
then got his ass stopped in the fucking fourth.
That's a pretty conclusive ending to a rivalry,
in my opinion. Oh, I know. And then Lyndon Arthur
went on to... Stink it up against Beeble. Yeah.
I don't think he went above single -digit punches
in any round. It was actually horrible. Struggle
against Brian Nahuel Suarez in the depths of
Argentina. And, yeah. Missed weight. Yeah. Missed
weight. So... All the things you want to hear
for an Anthony Yard opponent. Yeah, well. Who
is either trash or the best in the world. I'm
thinking Anthony Yard finishes this again in
the four to six range. Oh, yeah. Doesn't make
it past half. Hell no. Moving up, Liam Smith
versus Aaron McKenna. The cash out of Liam Smith
has begun. If it wasn't already underway. Nope.
It's been underway for a few years. Yeah. Well,
Aaron McKenna, brother. He's a brother of Tyrone
McKenna. Yeah. Hopefully better brother. Yeah.
I was looking at his brother a few moments ago.
Very questionable recent string. Man, they've
been trying to cash out Liam Smith for ages.
Holy shit. Yeah. They really don't want him anymore,
I'll tell you that. No, they tried cashing him
out against Anthony Fowler in 2021, and he just
cooked Fowler. Same with Sam Eggington. They
kept trying to cash him out. Liam Williams, same
thing. Chris Eubank, barely. Maybe, like, six
times the charm in cashing him out. Maybe he
used my win. You never know. Yeah. He's had gray
hair since I was in high school, so maybe. I've
never known him to not have gray hair. Yeah.
Fuck. Well, there you go. In the main event,
Chris Eubank Jr. versus Connor Eggman Ben. The
Eggman. Dr. Robotnik? Yep, that's exactly what
I was thinking. Dr. Robotnik. This shit feels
so contrived to me. This fight's going to suck.
I am not looking forward to this. I'm going to
watch, but I'm not going to be excited about
it. Chris Eubank is washed, but somehow Connor
Ben is even more washed. Eggwashed? You know
what? I think you must be sicko this week, dude.
You think what? I must be a bigger sicko than
you guys because I'm actually looking forward
to that fight. Oh, really? What are you looking
forward to? I like the rest of the card. The
thing with that fight is only because I want
to see one of them lose. Fuck, you're just a
hater. I'm a hater, yeah. Honestly, fuck me because
I'm going to watch it. Fuck me. No, I mean, I'm
watching. I mean, I'm watching from, like, the
Vidal -Riley fight. Pretty much everything, actually,
looking on it, other than the main event, this
is actually, like, low -key a pretty decent card.
Like, if you rearrange it and make the Chris
Billum -Smith -Brandon Glanton fight the main,
it's solid. Yeah, it's solid. But, like, that
fight's going to be so fun. We'll see what happens.
The fight's going to be so fun. And then, you
know, like... Man, if Anthony Yard doesn't beat
Lyndon Arthur in like three rounds, I'm going
to be disappointed. I think you are going to
be disappointed. I'm going to be disappointed.
No matter what. He should retire. Yeah, it'd
be time to hang him up, buddy. Give it up. Give
it up, buddy. And Lyndon Arthur can go on to,
I don't know, lose to Callum Smith or something.
That's just sad, man. Come on. That's not very
nice. He already got his shot. He got his shot
against Bivol and threw about as many punches
as I did sitting on the couch. I'll tell you
one thing about fucking... I'm surprised at how
many... How long he stayed in contention for
a title, man. I'm surprised. I mean, he just
beat Bilazzi in a pretty good fight. Yeah, but
now he's going to be mandatory again, right?
Yeah, good for him. Well, he just doesn't lose.
He wins the fights he needs to. He always comes
back, you know? The man always comes back. And
I respect that, you know? And I'm happy he can
do it. It's just... every time he goes up to
like a world class fighter like Canelo or better
he could lose this you know well he's never lost
that bad like yeah Canelo beat his ass but also
like how much punishment aside from his arm did
he really take same with Better BF like Better
BF put it on him but also that's not the worst
Better BF that's not the worst that Better BF's
ever beat someone's ass like True, but, I mean,
come on. Marcus Brown had a splash zone with
how bad he was beating him. Well, the thing with
Betterbeef is he did beat him pretty... He didn't
beat him horrible, but he did beat him pretty...
He got his ass beat, but, like, it's recoverable.
It's not, like, career -changing. Yeah, I guess
you're right, yeah. Yeah, seriously. Like, with
Joe Smith Jr., fuck, like... Oh, no, okay, that
was... That was horrible. Marcus Brown had to
splash them ringside. Both guys were cut, and
then Marcus Brown's face just kind of got turned
into mush. They're like, we're going to stop
this in two rounds if it's still bleeding, so
better be able to just fucking kill them. That
was one of the scariest things I've seen from
a fight. Kvazdik retired for several years after
Beterbiev made him rethink his life. Made him
rethink his life. It's tough. Calum Smith, pretty
recoverable because he just got stopped. It's
not like he got turned into paste. Yeah, you're
right. I take back what I said. You were right.
And he wins the fights he should to stay in contention.
Why not? You're right. You are absolutely right.
Bivol's arguably more winnable than Beterbiev
for him, too. And... Not by much. That's kind
of wild. That is a really wild take, in my opinion.
Well, it's just, like, the thing... He's too
stationary to not get teed off on by Beterbiev.
You think you'd have an easier time with Bivol?
Oh, he loses both. But he loses both, obviously.
But I think Bivel's the more doable one. I mean,
yeah, I guess more doable, but I think you're
not going to win against Bivel. Like, it's a
0 % to 1%, but at the very least, like, Bivel,
you're never at risk of getting stopped by Bivel
if you're Callum Smith. Well, I'm... I mean,
you're at risk in every fight, you know. Don't
forget, a man can always get knocked out. Oh,
of course. But, like, in terms of, like... Like,
if you're a stationary big man, like, your style
is pretty stationary, you're rather the guy who...
Nothing but decisions, except for, like, the
fluke against Sanad. Or a guy who... literally
made his living beating the shit out of stationary,
like, out of guys much more mobile than you are.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I know this might
sound silly. I think he would have a better chance
against Better Beef than B -Bowl. I get that.
That sounds funny because he already fought Better
Beef, but B -Bowl is not going to win that at
all. He's a fucking god. Yeah. I guess. That's
wild. That's wild. But he's a generational talent.
Like, you're not beating him at all. You know,
unless you knock him out. But better be, I mean,
with him. I think Benavidez. I think Benavidez
has a good shot, actually. Against Cal Smith?
Of course, yeah. Against Bivol. It's Bivol. Oh,
shit. That's even crazier. I mean, yeah, I think
it would be. It would be. He's alive. He's alive.
Yeah, he's alive. I think a easier fight would
have been with better beef, in my opinion. Yeah.
But I just think, like, the traps Benavidez sets
to, like, deny athleticism on offense is, like,
with, like, Morel. Morel's a big, like, athletic
guy when you see him. Like, he's big on athleticism,
and you just see some of the traps. Same with
Andrade, actually, too, if we're talking about
movement. I mean, yeah. But Benavidez just is...
Well, I mean, it's not, like, it's, like... It's
up to how much Bibble wants to engage too, because
Benavidez, he's just crafty. He's very crafty,
and it's not like Bibble needs to fall for it
fully. It's just enough to get a bit of momentum
here and there, and then... In my opinion, I
think whoever hosts that card, if they ever fight,
they're a fighter who's going to win. If it's
a matching card, Bibble's going to win. If it's
a PBC fight... I don't think Benavidez can win
a decision against Bivol just because of the
amount of time it would take to set the traps.
Oh, hell yeah. Let's say Bivol is absolutely
impervious to a lot of Benavidez's early offense.
By the time it gets remotely competitive, there's
like five early rounds that are banked and it's
done. But the thing is that Bivol... Like, the
thing is that Benavidez is just, he's young and
athletic. He doesn't have the knees of a 60 -year
-old who, like, he doesn't have twice operated
on knees. But in my opinion, I mean, Bivol's
even more athletic than Benavidez. Yeah, but
the thing is that Bivol already has trouble maneuvering
out of Beterbiev's traps. And Beterbiev is 40
and has the knees of a geriatric man just due
to his injuries. In regards to movement. You're
making a really good use of Benavidez. So. Yeah.
Like Benavidez. If Benavidez is setting a similar
type of trap. But with a bit more volume. And
a bit more athleticism. Yeah. I mean. Dude. You
could probably. Just give you something to think
about. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. That's making me think
about it right now. Yeah. Very good insight.
Well. Hey. Well this has been fantastic. I've
just been enjoying the conversation. That's all
we got, though. That was it. To bring it back
around. Chris Eubank Jr., Connor Ben. I hope
you knock each other out at the same time. And
nobody wins. Let me do this. They're going to
fight again. We have to redo this. Of course
they are. We have to redo this circus. I had
technical difficulties. I'm sorry. I don't know
why it turned out for me. He left and rejoined.
I think I was so happy about what Josh told me
about Benavidez maybe winning. I think I just
overreacted. You had to go share it with the
world. Everybody! Benavidez is a champ! Well,
actually, Benavidez is now a champ. Oh yeah,
email champ. I honestly think with these podcasts,
I think... We should spend a little bit of time
just talking about some of the politics that
go on. Because some of the things that go on,
we don't really talk about here. We got to talk
sometimes about the politics. I feel like that's
when we get more of a viewer base, though. Like
right now, we need the... We're just starting.
We need the broad scope. We could talk about
the fights. And yeah, we're still for hardcores,
but it's something more listenable to than...
Yeah, Al Heyman only makes this much money, and
to stay below the second apron luxury tax on
a card, he needs to only pay guys this much,
and that's why this guy can't fight this guy
at this time in this state. I'm not talking about
that. I'm talking about more of the drama and
shit. Yeah, that too. Like Benavidez, or people
talking about ducking Benavidez. That was kind
of big news this week. I don't think it's ducking
more than it is like they were going to do a
trilogy from the second to this time, the first
fight. that's not ducky i'm just saying like
the view that yeah was ducky benavidez you know
yeah i i'm just saying like maybe one day we
should like maybe implement just go over some
news yeah yeah some boxing news like you know
yeah like oh ryan garcia was calling pads you
know or some you know some bullshit like that
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