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B's up in your shit. Alex, the one and only,
and Josh, welcome back. How you doing? Hell yeah.
Fucking... I decided to skip the MMA stuff just
because I'm not caught up on that either. Or
caught up on that. I'm not. I did catch up on
the boxing. Of course. Fucking the magic of editing.
Who's going to know? It's a professional production.
Yeah, I'm really good at this. Yeah. Yeah, I
saw. I wanted to skip the MMA stuff just because
I'm not caught up just yet, but I will be soon.
So I'll probably bring it up next time or in
a few weeks. I'll probably start talking about
it again. But let's get straight into. The fucking
boxing recaps. Ape Day. Ape Day, that's right.
Saturday, April 5th. From fucking dusk till dawn,
there was boxing. Lots of it. Starting first,
Queensbury in Manchester in the UK. Now, there's
a bunch of shit on this card that I'm sorry,
British fellows. I don't fucking care. This card
is kind of stinky. I'm excited for the main event.
Yeah, I just picked a few. Average Queensborough
card. With names I recognize, like Mark Chamberlain,
points decision. I remember him because a Turkey
motherfuck guy. He has, like, this weird fixation
on Mark Chamberlain. So, yeah, there you go.
Points decision. Well, Josh probably beat him.
Oh, did he? That's excellent. Oh, right. This
is, yeah. Jack Rafferty, stoppage in five. David
Adelaide, or Adelaide. I kept fucking that up.
Stoppage in five over TKV. And, oof, what a...
I watched this. Filip Hergovich gets the UD over
Joe Joyce. I watched this at the airport. While
I was waiting for my flight. And I was... I had
literally nothing else to do. I was bored out
of my fucking mind. That was not a very enjoyable
fight. Like, Joyce is so washed and Herkovich
was just out of shape and not motivated. And
not very good. Yeah. Herkovich reminds me of
Jerry Anderson. He just doesn't want to do it.
Doesn't want to do it anymore. He gives it...
He kind of, like... He has those glimpses where
he does. He also just has the, like, Jose Ramirez
syndrome where he just shuts off. Autopilot.
And coasts. Yeah, he's just, like, he's there,
but he's not there. Which, like... Unfortunate.
I mean, it's the only reason Joey's made it the
distance. Because... Yeah, he was tagging him
up plenty, but it's like he didn't have any instinct.
The killer instinct to... go after a finish.
The eye of the tiger, some would say. Honestly,
I hate going the, you should retire, but like,
Joyce is like the desecrated remains of a trapo.
Oh. He's not polishing the furniture. He's cleaning
up oil spills in the garage. He's a good one
right now. And the boxing theory? Boxing hamper?
Yeah, the boxing laundry. That boxing hamper,
yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what else
to take away from this other than both of these
guys are not very good. Yeah. Good for Hergovich,
I guess. Yeah, congrats. Get yourself another
payday. You're going to get another fight and
you're going to get your ass kicked if the competition
has stepped up even like a smidgen of a degree.
Yeah. Is Hergovich still with Matchroom, or is
he signed with Queensborough now? He's doing
whatever. Free agent? Yeah. But let's move on
to something that was a little bit more fun.
Just by a bit. Johnny Beck, Lim Kanuli, stops.
Man, this is a tough one. Ngam Isenge. Ngam Isenge.
Yeah, sounded out. All right, Alex, you're a
big Johnny Beck fan. Am I mistaken in this? No,
you're not mistaken at all. I'll tell you, I
might be biased, but at the same time, all you
got to do is watch that KO video, dude. That
was nasty. That was a good knockout. I like that
knockout a lot. Is it an early shortlist for...
Knockout of the year? Potentially, yes, in my
opinion. Might be a good nomination for the first
half. I haven't seen a lot of good knockouts
this half, so yeah, it's up there. It's early
in the year. Yeah, it's early. Yeah, it's early
right now. I'm glad that Jonabek is knocking
out these guys properly. When you knock someone
out, you make a statement, and that's how he
becomes more well -known. 160 is desolate, but
the best you can do is just actually knock out
the guy in front of you. I mean, think about
it. Betterbeef, at least before Bivol fought
Canelo, Betterbeef was more known than Bivol.
The only reason was because of knockouts. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Bivol is a better fighter,
but Betterbeef is known for his knockouts. You
know, that's how you become known in boxing.
You do knockouts. In my opinion. See, I don't
want him to move up, but also 160 is so desolate
that you almost have to. I was going to ask is
how many more times can he do this before it's
time? Like, dude, there's nobody there. I'm not
sure what you want. I'm sure if he, give him
the unification with Erzladi Lara, please. Finally
put Lara out the pasture and then move up. Would
be nice. They won't give him that payday. PBC
will not do that. I think it would be better
for Janabek to go to 168 and fight some guys
there. He could even fight in Billy at 168. That
could be an in -house fight. Yeah, I was going
to ask. Who's available? Yeah. Well, there's
a lot of guys available at 168. Canelo is going
to be undisputed again, most likely. That or
that. To be fair, he could also just go on a
Euro tour because there's Hamza Shiraz and Chris
Eubank at that weight class. Hamza, sheer ass.
Yeah, he is sheer ass. But Hamza, he's not going
to fight Hamza because at the simple point that
Hamza won't fight him. Remember, Hamza was supposed
to fight him. Yeah, fair enough. So that's not
going to happen for a while. It's just tough.
It's tough at 160 because there's like three
people whose names you recognize and then you're
just like, oh. All the other guys are just not
that good. There's not even that good of talent
there. Bruno Saras. 160? Yeah, because that's
where he usually fights. Maybe. I guess. Emma
Williams is with Mattroom, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, the Canadian in me. It's the Canadian
in me, but give Patrice Foley another shot. I
don't know. I think that Johnny Beck does him
pretty bad. Yeah, but he's only lost by decision.
True. Honestly, he didn't lose to Falcao. He
didn't really lose to Falcao. I think Jenebeck
stops him. No, absolutely Jenebeck stops him.
He's 35 and Canadian. Yeah. But give Patrice
Volney a chance. Give this man a chance. I said
this last time, and I'm going to say it again.
I think Jenebeck should fight Canelo. That would
be the best fight, in my opinion. He should.
One of the best better fights. He rates it. I
think he rates it. Josh, you agree with me? I
would have disagreed with you like four years
ago, but now we're in the era of him fighting
Berlanga. Fuck it. Give me Janabek Canelo. Fighting
Crawford. Berlanga and Munguia really destroyed
my standard for a Canelo opponent. At least,
Charlo, you could have argued. Triple G, Trilogy.
Again, you could argue. Even Ryder. was a solid
opponent at the time. Ryder was a mandatory.
What does Berlanga really give? Money. Not even,
bro. No one likes Berlanga. He sucks. Yeah. He's
not that good of a fighter. He's not that good
of a person. Low -key, the Christopher Lovejoy
of Super Middleweight. Christopher Lovejoy? He's
a... One of those meme heavyweights. He fought
20 guys in Mexico and then lost to a Muhammad
Char. Oh, okay. I didn't know the name. Because
the only place I've heard Lovejoy as a name,
someone's name is The Simpsons. Yeah. Reverend
Lovejoy. 6 '5", 300 pounds. He's got 20 knockouts,
though. I'm looking forward to Jandabek's future.
Yeah, the only fights that are, like, really
worth talking about with him, if it's not Adamas
or Lara, who it probably won't be, like, everyone
else that's worth a damn is at 68. I'm not sure
how much longer you can keep can smashing. Yeah,
because you're just going to run out of your
prime at that point. Right. He's 32. No money.
Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of time. Like, he's
got time to go up. I disagree. I think probably
he has another eight years if he wanted to. He
hasn't taken a lot of career damage. At his peak,
peak. At his peak. Oh, no, no, no. At his peak,
no, no, no. But, I mean, the guy's honestly,
the guy's kind of retired later on in the career
nowadays. Yeah. But he's got the WBO. He can
move up. have that mandatory position and either
force a fight with someone notable in the WBO
rankings or Canelo. Champs, in their rules, champs
that move up get to challenge the champion. That's
what I'm saying. If he wanted to, he can. He
could if he wanted to. He totally can. So you
can just force it. Well, that would be pretty
good because, you know, that could probably throw
off Turkey's whole game plan with Canelo of being
undisputed. And if Top Rank only wants to stick
it to Turkey, that would be a perfect way. It
would be. Because the WBO does not fuck around
with their titles, dude. They will strip you.
Well, would they strip Canelo, though? Because
that's money in the bank, so I don't think that
they would strip him in particular. Well... Oh,
no, it was the IVF that stripped him last time.
That's right. Yes. Yeah, it was the IVF. The
WBO wouldn't, but they'd create, like, interims.
And basically, it would just be a way to build
profile and get used to the weight class. So
you get names. That's true. Hopefully, after
Canelo retires, I really do want to see another
Super 6 tournament. Yeah, like a Super Middleweight.
For the WBO, it's Diego Pacheco at number one,
Mbili at number two, Berlanga at number three.
So all three of those are good fights. And Mbili's
on your side of the street. Berlanga, no one
wants him, so it's easy to just pay him and get
him over to your side. Yep. Hell, Bruno Suarez
is technically ranked. Question. Would Berlanga
go back to top rank, though? I don't think so.
For one fight? Maybe. It depends on how stupid
he is. How stupid you think him and his management
are. I don't have a very high esteem of Berlanga.
Like he seems like the type of person to go,
I can totally do this. Who the fuck is this Uzbek?
And then get starched in two. I got a feeling
he's going to become a PBC fighter. I don't know
why. Well, he has a profile and they are pretty
good about doing that. And you always need that.
You need to build there. They do need to build
their guys. Like you need to rebuild morale.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's what Matt was
going to do with him. You know. He sucks. He
sucks at canned. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Jalilov. Jalilov.
I want to talk about Jalilov. Yeah, that's what
I was going to say. I've been kind of dying about
it. Well, let's get to it. Oh, man. He doesn't
look interested. In fighting? No, like in being
a pro. He doesn't look that interested. Yeah,
that's too bad. It can totally be an off night,
but that was a stinking performance. You watched
that fight, right? I did not, so I'm leaning
on you guys to kind of give me the rundown of
how was he? Why does he look like he doesn't
want to be there, be here in the sport at large?
Well, I disagree with what Josh says. I don't
know about not wanting to be in the sport. However,
the guy he fought was... Imagine the Ukrainian
Butterbean. Oh, geez. Yeah. And he went the distance
with that. Just throwing one -twos. Like, the
jabs just didn't... Like, he didn't look interested
in stepping out of first gear, is what I mean.
Okay. Or, like, showing any more dimensions.
Like, he coasted off a one -two, hurt him a couple
times, but didn't follow up. I agree. If anything,
I... I think he just probably was interested
in just pushing the initiative, I guess. I guess
I could really do that then. But it's a bad sign
at this stage because you can end up coasting
when it matters. He hasn't even had 15 fights
yet, and we're already plateauing with him. We'll
see. We'll see what happens. But honestly, Jalalov.
That was a horrible performance. I think it was
worse than Jared Anderson's, in my opinion. So,
serious question. We're going to be talking about
him in a little bit. Jalalov, Richard Torres.
Jalalov still wins. Jalalov still wins. Torres
is so limited. It's no fault of Torres' own,
but like... I forget how many times Jalilov beat
him in the amateurs. Oh, shit. He didn't really
step out of first gear there either. He basically
stopped him in the amateurs in first gear. Yeah,
he fucked him up. Is Jalilov like a superhero?
And he's like ultimate power and he's just bored?
He might be. He might be. But it's not going
to be Torres. It's not going to be Torres who
draws it out of him. Italma. That's the man.
That's spicy. They're all in a collision course.
Italma, Jalilov, and Richard Torres. They're
going to be on a collision course. One of those
fighters is not like the others. Yeah. Well,
hey, you know what? We'll get into that right
now with Richard Torres. But you know what? I'll
try to make a case for him. All right. I'll try.
I'll try. Anything more for Kazakhstan? Zauberbeck.
I don't know if you were kind of paying attention,
Josh, to Zauberbeck, but he seemed pretty good.
Zauberbeck? Yeah. Zultan Zauberbeck. Yeah. I
thought he did pretty good. Because I know that
car was also kind of during the Queensbury car,
so maybe you could have been flip -flopping.
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before we get to Richard Torres. Just some ones
that I wanted to mention. Andrei Mikhailovich,
Johnny Beck's most previous opponent. He drops
the ball, split decision. Cohen Mazudier. He's
an Aussie. Scrappy guy. I've enjoyed his fights.
Of all the ones I've seen, I've enjoyed them
all. He's scrappy, fun. Cuts a good promo for
being super religious. Still does it pretty well.
And he beat the fucking shit out of Dan Hill.
Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Dan Hill's face was
rearranged. That was rough. It was funny. I thought
he was crying, but he couldn't get tears out
because his face was so swollen. Oh, jeez. Wasn't
as bad as Mario Barrios, though. No, not that
bad. Tim Zhu stops Joey Spencer in the fourth.
Joey Spencer's not that good, and this is a rebuild.
Good bounce back, though. Good bounce back. Yeah,
this is the rebuild for Tim Zhu. The road to
the championship starts here. It's very easy
to, like, look ahead and just trip over what's
in front of you if you're a zoo. Yes. Yeah. Leo,
I know last time we were talking about Tim Zoo
and how you were mentioning how his dad wasn't
in the corner. So I kind of want to go back to
what we were talking about last time. Honestly,
I should not have talking about it, but point
stands. Continue. Honestly, like Tim Zoo, he
looked the exact same. That's the last time he
fought, which I hope that he was going to be
a little – he would have a little more defense.
You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think he'll
ever have the defense that he should, but he
should refine his offensive game too. Yeah, sure.
Because getting timed is his problem. It isn't
the chin or it isn't like – like his lapses come
from getting timed. Yeah, that's actually facts.
And the thing is, I saw no difference between
last year. Yeah, but it's also Joey Spencer.
Right. So you don't really have to worry that
much. You could have still seen a little bit
of change, you know what I mean? If there was
any, which there wasn't. Which, if there's not
any change, he's going to get flipped in the
future. And bad. Yeah. Absolutely. Give him T.
Thurman. Cash out with Keith Thurman and then
maybe Ben's fight. Yeah, Sven's still around.
And then Charlo. Charlo, that's still a good
fight to make. I feel like Jesus Ramos is that
perfect. Like, after cashing out against, cashing
Spence out, Jesus Ramos, and then you really
see if he's actually back still all there. Yeah.
Because, like, Ramos is super beatable if he's
there. But if he's not there, then... Good fight
may be Abel Ramos. I don't think Abel's a good
one. Well, it's just a confidence builder, you
know what I mean? Well, I suppose for that purpose,
yes. You know, getting out knocked out like that,
you still need some confidence boosters, you
know what I mean? Yeah. That's why they gave
him Joey Spencer. I think they should have another
fight, maybe two, of confidence boosters. until
he can get up to something like the rankings
amongst the champions. You know what I mean?
Is Keith Thurman a good – is he in the confidence
booster level? No, I'm sorry. See, I have no
idea how washed Keith Thurman is or not. Does
anybody ever? Nobody's ever – Yeah, he lost to
Pacquiao, but – Pacquiao. No, you can say so
many things about that performance, and that
was six fucking years ago, and then he beat the
shit out of Mario Barrios. Went on to become
a champion, so the win ages pretty well. That
win ages really well, but... Wait, does it age
with Mario Barrios' skill? If they rematched?
No, I'm saying with Mario Barrios and how you've
kind of seen him fight. Last couple years. Does
it really age well? It ages well compared to...
He's the weakest champion of the three. That's
what I mean. But 147. There's so much you can
say about Keith Thurman. Is he there? Is he not?
He has to be shot. He beat the dog shit out of
Mario Barrios. Yeah. That's Mario Barrios. He's
not great. He hasn't panned out as well as I
thought. The things that you expect, like when
you think of Keith Thurman as shot, you think
of him as like shot, shot, especially with the
injuries that he had to come back from. Yeah.
It's just the movement. He's been moving pretty
good. And that's why I'm like, how shot is he
really? I would like for Tim Zhu to determine
that. Yes, please. Make it in Australia. Yeah,
keep Keith in Australia. Have him beat up Aussies
and he can do like a Floyd Mayweather -esque
sort of career run. Yeah, he cuts a good promo
too. He cuts a great promo. Yeah, he does. He
would talk a lot of shit. Just play the heel.
talk shit about the Aussies. None of your guys
aren't good enough to be on my level and whatever.
It would be great. Yeah, he would. Alright, anything
more for Australia before we move on to... Nope.
Fun stuff. Oh, man. At the Palms Resort in Vegas.
Richard Torres gets the job done. Of all the
other fights on the card, there's only two that
I really wanted to mention. Did I miss anything
else? Are there others that are worth pointing
out? No. All right, cool. There's, what's his
name, Bang Bang? Chop Chop, Chop Chop, Chop Chop
Gonzalez. Chop Chop Gonzalez. Albert Gonzalez.
Yeah, Chop Chop, Albert Chop Chop, yeah. Yeah,
he's... He had kind of a lackluster performance.
I just wanted to mention that. We get into our
wiki bag just to be like, yeah, he didn't...
Pretty midder. Pretty fucking midder. No, the
thing is, I think he can do a lot better, but
I just felt like he just didn't step it up this
time around for some reason. No. But he does
have some potential, which I'm kind of... Try
to follow him a little more? Yeah. We'll see
what happens with him. I wanted to point out
Elvis Rodriguez drops the ball. Majority decision.
Lindolfo Delgado is not terrible. But he's not
who you want to be. No, you don't want to be
dropping the ball to this guy. But who fucking
did not drop the ball? Abdullah Mason. I was
thinking about this one. And I wanted to say
instead of like Pretty Boy Floyd in the kind
of rhyme. So Pretty Fella Abdullah is what I
wanted to go with. I don't know if it works as
well as Pretty Boy Floyd. But man, that is exactly
who he fucking looks like. Just beautiful offense,
beautiful violence. It's amazing to watch him
fight. And I know that I sound like I'm glazing.
Kind of him because Abdullah Mason is fucking
legit. He's special. Yeah, if you are not watching
him, you are missing out for real. Mason the
Menace? Yeah. That works a lot better than Pretty
Fella. I like Pretty Fella. What do you think
is next for him? For Abdullah Mason? He should
have fought Giovanni Cabrera. I think he should
have fought him again. He should. Yeah, he still
should. Honestly, bring Yoshino out. See how
he does it better than Shakur. Yeah. Bring Yoshino
out. Man, he's going to hurt Yoshino because
Yoshino's there to be hit. Luis Alberto Lopez
moved up, too, if you want a fun fight. He's
a lightweight now. I thought that he just did
that because he had been out for a while. And
so he just kind of took that little gimme fight
back at the end of March. You might be right.
But also, I think that's a fun fight. I think
that Mason would seriously hurt Luis Lopez. Oh,
absolutely. I fear for his health. He had a really
nasty knockout and had a subdural hematoma as
a result. and that probably shouldn't be back
right that's you that's supposed to be a career
ender not because you can't continue but like
you better you shouldn't shouldn't if you want
to like you want to see your kids grow up uh
don't leave them alone top rank leave what's
the top rank leave it now though alone uh what's
his name um ray murataya that's a yeah it's a
decent one Floyd Schofield. I don't think he's
ready for that. Okay, I was thinking Floyd Schofield,
but is Golden Boy really going to risk it? No.
They're not going to do that. Fuck no, they're
not going to do that. That's not to be mean,
but that's also kind of not a good fight for
Bill Mason at this stage of his career. I think
he should get someone that is either shot or
is like so low. Actually, I take that back. He's
kind of a contender now, right? He's getting
there. I think he should just... Fight the Cabrera's
of the world. You know? And then move up. I have
a couple fights with the Cabrera's. Guys like
Maxie Hughes, too. Maxie Hughes, yeah. I think
a good step -up fight is also Kambosis. I was
just going to say that. I feel like Kambosis
is like... We know Kambosis would lose, but I
feel like Kambosis is not at a stage where he's
going to totally sell out. Especially since he's
at 140 now. I'm actually trying. I think he can
make 135 if the money's right. Yeah, no, for
sure. He's just, like, I feel like Kamboso's,
like, it's not that he's, like, a high -skill
fighter, but he's a high -value fighter just
due to how high his value. Yeah. Like, it's more
money than Abdullah is worth right now, if that
makes sense. That's true. That's true. I mean,
he could probably fight Keyshawn's leftovers.
He could maybe fight Lamos. That's actually a
good shout, is just swim in the wake of Keyshawn
Davis. Yeah. If we want to bring out the corpse
of Miguel Burchelt, who's still doing it. Oh,
shit. That would be horrible. Burchelt's still
at it. Is he? He's still at it. Oh, man. I thought
he hung it up. No. So you know what? You totally
could bring out the, like. Like the shell of
Miguel Burchelt. Oscar Valdez? Is he still due?
Again, too high value. Too high value. Okay,
yeah. You're right. Too high value. And also,
I don't think he's ready for something like that
yet. I think he needs to get to the hanger part.
To fight guys like that. He's in between the
tags and the hangers, in my opinion. He's got
to be careful about fighting the little Mexican
fighter. I'll tell you that. The duel has to
be careful. Because he is suspect to get chinned.
I was thinking that Mason is more at the hanger
to ironed. Yeah, you need to step him up, but
it's difficult to matchmake him because he's
a top rank and you need opponents who are on
the down end of their careers or too high value.
Yeah, that's true. What about somebody who's
on his level of being on the rise? No, I mean,
if you want to feed him to Andy Cruz, go ahead.
No, Andy Cruz, I think, is ahead of him. Yeah.
I think he'd be Andy Cruz, but that's kind of
wild to say. I mean, Lucas Boddy, the kind of...
The Indian dude from Canada? Yeah, from Canada.
Well, the thing is that he took out that Jake
Paul prospect, Ashton Sylvie. So the thing is
that... I feel like Body's at the peak of his
value right now. Ooh, good point. He's rematching
Ashton, though, isn't he? Yeah. He's probably
going to beat Ashton again, honestly. Josh Padley.
Josh Padley. That is enough name value right
now. That's true. You're right. You're right.
But then, like, why not Maxie Hughes? Maxie Hughes
is on the down slope, so that would be... I would
say Maxie Hughes then, Josh Padley. Yeah, no
one wants Maxie Hughes either. No one cares.
I mean, shoot. Cabrera, Maxie Hughes, Padley.
He has enough of a profile, and then you give
him a shot at... You can't get a shot at a title
for a while, though. There's some... There's
that British Sam Noakes. I think that's a good
one. That's on his level. True. Mark Chamberlain?
Why not? Send them to Slogger. Guys that are
just not the best that Duel can probably win
against, you know, to make them look better.
But they're better than the current stuff he's
getting in the ring with. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh,
yeah. Either way, I'm excited for what Duel's
going to face in the future. I'm going to keep
closely watching his career. I am, yeah. I will
continue being a fucking hardcore stan for...
Abdullah. The thing with Abdullah is that he
does have a lot of mistakes. He does make a good
amount of mistakes that I think can be fixed.
But he needs to fix them as soon as possible
or else he's going to get turned into a Devin
Haney situation. Oh. Well, part of Devin Haney's
problem is that he has no power to dissuade people
from exploiting his errors. So there's two, again,
as I said with Sue, there's two ways for Mason
to go about it. There's refine that offensive
game so you can't really get time. Or just round
yourself out. Are you going to put your points
into defense or the finer parts of offense? Personally,
I think Abdullah's offense is pretty great, besides
the fact that he can get a little too overconfident
at times. That's part of refining the offense,
though. Just that bit of discipline. Patience.
Observation. That patience to be able to observe
and then punish even harder. Boots has it perfectly.
Go east a little bit to Philly. Boots doesn't
overextend himself overly. We'll talk about that
when we get to Boots. But that's besides the
point. That's for the next one. Yeah, that'll
be next time. So, Richard Torres. Gets the UD
over Guido. I've been saying this as much as
I like Richard Torres as a character. I enjoy
his fights. He is an exciting fighter to watch.
The size disparity between him and the current
standard for heavyweight, I see him not being
able to overcome it the way Joseph Parker has
been able to. And he's certainly no Mike Tyson.
Like, that's not even fucking pretend. He's definitely
not Usyk. Right. He's not Usyk either. It's just
he comes. I don't think it's. Yeah, you're right.
He's not going to be able to. The man needs pep
in his step, dude. True. His feet are his worst
aspect. It's atrocious. But he's a tap dancer.
How does he not have lighter feet? Like, he can
move laterally. It's just when he comes forward,
it's in such lumbering steps that, like, he gets
timed by anyone in the top ten. He almost got
timed by Guido. Oh, Guido. I actually love Guido.
I love Guido. He's like a guilty pleasure to
watch. I love Guido. If Guido used his jab, I
think he could have won the fight. Yeah, but
he can't. He's Guido Vianello, bro. Yeah. Rich
Torres, dude, when he was going in, he didn't
go left or right. He goes straight to the center.
And he doesn't mix it up. You know what I mean?
Which it's pretty frustrating to see. Seeing
how he's a short heavyweight. You know? And again,
like Leo said, I love the guy. I think he's humble.
He's a great man to listen to and watch. It's
just kind of hard. He's too small. I think the
sudden step up from like... actual cans to like
Guido Vianello means they're gonna try and cash
him out soon oh you think so that's too bad like
it's like it's just so sudden where they're like
like basically if he lost to Guido then Guido
is now the guy they can cash out well I do want
to see Richard Torres with Jerry Anderson I think
that is the fight to make a heavyweight That's
going to be, I mean this unironically, the biggest
American heavyweight fight we've had in the last,
I don't even know how long, 20 years? I wish,
for the love of God, that Michael Hunter was
still around and not like a part -time fighter
on the BLK Prime. Because like Michael Hunter,
Michael Hunter actually is a good heavyweight.
When he fights. When he was younger, yeah. I
think if he was with someone like PBC, he could
have been with him and Wilder. It's kind of been
over for him since that draw with Jerry Forrest.
Yeah. It's kind of unfortunate to see the whole
American heavyweight landscape, how dead it is.
It's buried underneath cement in a casket. It's
horrible right now. Well, I mean, heavyweight
as a whole is going to be kind of, like, as soon
as Usyk retires, like, it's kind of going to
be fat dudes beating each other up for a while.
I disagree. I don't think so either. Because,
like, you have Dubois. Who lost to Usyk, like,
super comprehensively. What? Usyk, though. Usyk's
one of the greatest heavyweights. No, I know,
but that's what I mean. Like, heavyweight's going
to be kind of lost for a fair bit across the
board. I actually disagree on that point. There's
a lot of guys that, at least I'm copying, that
you can make fights with like Dubois. I do see
Dubois. I'm not saying the fights won't be fun.
I'm saying the fights are, like, they're going
to be fun because heavyweight's always fun. But
also, like, we're not going to see progression
in the division, if that makes sense. Like a
next -gen somebody. Yeah, like we saw two guys
rising up to the top. Yeah, we saw that. Who
is it? I get Caballel. No erasure of Caballel.
Yeah, but I mean... Would Usyk be? I don't know.
Usyk wasn't even a natural heavyweight. I need
to see the progress start to happen because anyone
could beat anyone other than Usyk. The thing
is, Usyk wasn't even part of this current generation
heavyweight. The big three were Fury, AJ, Wilder.
They didn't fight each other besides Wilder and
Fury. But he took it over at the very end. Yeah,
exactly. I mean, that shows you how shit the
generation was. But we still saw the progression.
Like, we had AJ and Wilder, and then Fury came
in. Like, we had progression building towards
this. But the shit never happened, though. It
was, yeah, the generation of these three fighters.
But it got solved. There was an ending, and there
was progress, and there was an ending. With Usyk.
Usyk came and killed everybody. Yeah. Which is
that still progress. That whole generation was
bullshit. Well. I don't think the generation
was bullshit. I think Usyk is just that good.
Usyk is that good. I do think that kind of generation
was bullshit. In my opinion. I'm just talking
about how they just never fought each other.
And then Usyk just came in and killed everybody.
I think we only had like. There was only like
two matchups that never really happened, which
was AJ Fury and AJ Wilder. AJ Fury might be coming
up. It's obviously like 10 years too late. Yeah,
but in their primes, dude. Of course. Well, the
thing is that AJ Fury never happening is Fury's
fault after what he did post -Klitschko. Yeah.
And then AJ Wilder, that could have been the
biggest heavyweight fight in history. Oh, for
sure. Yeah. But we still saw the progress when
Fury came back and beat Wilder. Fury, Wilder,
AJ, Usyk, those two, like, they faced off, and
then, obviously, we got... Yeah, like, we still
saw progress towards a guy for the generation.
Well, the thing is, I don't... Okay, again, of
course, Usyk's in the heavyweight. I know that
Usyk's heavy. I'm not stupid, but, like, Usyk
wasn't in the heavyweight, in that generation
of heavyweights, if that makes any sense. In
my view, at least. He became like a disruptor,
but he didn't come from that generation. It's
like saying Evander Holyfield wasn't in the 90s
generation of heavyweights. Well, he was in there
for a while after Cruiserweight. So was Usyk.
Usyk has been too. Not as long as Evander. Like
when Evander became undisputed in, what was it,
1990? Hold on. Let me look at, let me pull up
the box rec. But he wasn't, like, Usyk's been
in there since, like, let me see. He was a career
heavyweight. No, he was undisputed at cruiserweights.
But he was in heavyweight longer than cruiser.
Yeah, but when he became undisputed, he'd only
been there for a year and a half, maybe. Usyk
becoming undisputed? Yeah. Buster Douglas. Yeah,
and then 1988, late 1988 against James Tillis
was his heavyweight debut. I see Usyk as a cruiserweight
coming up. I don't see him as a pure heavyweight
from that generation because he didn't come from
that generation heavyweights. You know what I
mean? He was a disruptor. I don't think he's
the same argument with Evander. He was a disruptor
in that generation of heavyweights. Yeah, but
Usyk spent five years in heavyweight and fought
the best of his generation. I know, but it's
like they are heavyweights. We agree on the same
thing. Usyk's the man. Let me bring this back
around to Richard Torres. He's not the man. He's
not the man. He's not the man. It's unfortunate.
I am going to continue cheering for him, supporting
him in however, whatever ways I can. But it's
just going to be for the fun. It'll be fun. It'll
be fun, at least. He'll still be entertaining
after the fact. Well, hopefully. Yeah. The thing
is, I don't see him losing for a while, just
purely on the fact that there's just not a lot
of heavyweights that Top Ring would probably
put him in. Put him with? Is that Jay Anderson?
Oh, they don't have a lot of options. Top Rank
doesn't really want to work with Turkey anymore.
They have a good relationship with Queensberry,
but again, you don't want to feed him to Moses
Itama just for fun. Yeah. I just don't see Top
Rank letting him out of the stable much. No.
He's going to fight Jared Anderson, and then
they're going to wait for a world title to present
itself once Usyk fully steps away. I got a feeling
he could fight Parker. Yeah. Because that's the
WBO, right? That is the top ranked title. Whatever
Bob orders. Yep. There are other names around,
too, that they could bring in. Murat Gassiev,
who was part of Usyk's crop. It's a name, and
they're similar in size. No, I'm saying Usyk
because he could have been so good at heavyweight,
but he's just so lazy. I think Usyk broke him.
That's true. Give me Jermaine Franklin as a show.
Bring him back into the mix. I'll get Cabello's
actually similar size to Richard Torres. Yeah.
Cabello's so weird because pre -Turkey, I was
just like, what are you doing, man? Like, it
wasn't fun. He wasn't doing much, and it wasn't
very fun to watch him. And then all of a sudden,
he smokes Makhmadov, Sanchez, and Zhang. Yep.
He's the modern Max Schmilling. I was like, what
are you doing? Oh, come on. I'm sorry. I had
to say it again. I see this every time we mention
Cabello. He's the modern Max Schmilling. Honestly,
the most satisfying one was still him beating
Frank Sanchez. That was... That was fun. That
was a good one. That was satisfying to watch.
He was, like... Just got rid of him. Frank Sanchez
has held on a pedestal for years, dude. He was.
Yeah. I think they were expecting Frank to beat
Caballel, too, right? Yeah. I thought it was
a legit concern. Yeah, I did. But when you looked
at Caballel's body of work up to, like, that
point, like, yeah, maybe Mac Mudab's a fraud,
right? Like, other than Makhmadov pre -Sanchez,
his best win was robbing Derek Chisora in 2017.
Yeah. Which is, like, if you're robbing Derek
Chisora in any year after, like, 2014, you've
got it rough. You've got it. You've got it rough.
You don't have it. You've got it rough. So, the
fact that he just, like... Sanchez looked somewhat
good. The thing is that I think Frank Sanchez,
I think he could have done a little more in that
fight, which we could have talked about another
time. But I think he could have done a little
more, you know, pizzazz, if I guess the word.
Yeah. To win over the judges. I mean, well, Sanchez
just got cooked. Yeah. He came back. He had a
comeback fight in February. On the 22nd, which
is a busy day. So what about Frank Sanchez versus
Richard Torres? Depends on which Frank shows
up. If it's the one who actually wants to engage,
it'll be fun. If not, I don't think Torres has
the footwork. Unless, like, top -ranked breaks
Sanchez's legs. Well, the last time when he fought
Caballel, his knees were not cooperating. His
knees were cooked, yeah. They were going different
directions, absolutely. So, just an idea. But
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Moving into the previews. Saturday, April 19th,
we have two cards, one of which I don't care
about. You want to guess which one it is between
Matchroom and the UK or Golden Boy? Yeah. It's
the... Don Smith. Right. So this is headlined
by Dalton Smith and Matthew Germain. There's
a couple of other... Josh Padley making his Matchroom...
As a contract fighter making his debut. Listen,
I need to see Josh Warrington die. That's all.
Yeah, he's fighting. It won't happen. Josh Padley's
fighting Marko Chetanovic and Josh Warrington.
Asad Asif Khan. Asad, bro, what do you need?
Tell me. How can I help? Yeah, like I need Warrington
gone. Warrington is a cockroach. no no survive
a nuclear holocaust like i'm serious everything
keeps losing and then he keeps showing up again
and like it's gonna be this fight and it's gonna
be this fight and then a world title shot it's
british kambosis oh gross i think that works
no but no no hey give kambosa some respect key
detail female fair and square back in the day
Like, man, like, I just, I don't, like, it's
just horrible. Like, every single time you watch
a Warrington fight, he just uses the fucking,
he just headbutts the other guy to death. Yeah.
He's a prick. I'm sure he does. Then he goes
on social media and cries about how the referee
robs him when he gets stopped. Twice he's been
stopped. Yeah. Honestly, the first one was so
hilarious to Mauricio Lara. Yeah, it was good.
It's COVID. Literally, if Warrington falls down
and no one can hear it, did it happen? No one
could hear him. That one was beautiful. Otherwise,
like, I need, I just, I need him gone, man. Asada
Sif Khan, bro. Take my energy. And that's, like,
that's the limit of my caring. Dalton Smith's
alright, you know, so I'm a sicko. I'm gonna
be watching. That doesn't mean that I'm, like,
really excited about it. You must be a really
big sicko. I am. Yeah, I was going to say, you're
watching him fight a guy who, like, Yves Ulysses
Jr. put out the pasture. I wasn't going to say
that. I was going to say, you must be a really
big sicko to ignore, to think this is the worst
card, because Josh Padley's on here. Oh, good
point. He's the king. Yeah, that's a good point.
The boxer card is not much better. Also on the
19th, this is the one that I was saying is better.
I thought this was great. Gabby Fandora. headlining
probably on well on this card though yeah let's
let me uh let's get back to the let's get back
on the boxing yeah yeah at the front wave arena
in oceanside california uh this i've looked this
place up front wave arena is on hero drive what
the fuck yeah uh but there's a lot of shit on
here that i don't really care about so Don't
get all upset. Don't get upset, British people,
because I don't really give a shit about this
one either. I'm going to just list off the stuff
that I do care about. And it's only three of
them. Oleksandr Vosdik versus Anthony Holloway.
Eight rounder. Man, Vosdik, how are you going
to go from fighting Benavidez to this? Is he
still a goal boy now? I think he might be, but
hey, man, if you're getting paid, Congrats. Keep
it going as long as you can. He doesn't even
look that bad. No, he doesn't. He's still in
there. Yeah. Still in there. It's a good fight
for Morel, in my opinion. Oof. Yeah. I honestly
think he stops Vostok. Even though Benavidez
couldn't, I think Morel can. Yeah. I disagree
with that. Well, it depends on how Morel improves
because he just needs a bit more precision and
fine -tuning to his game. Let's see how his power
carried over to 175. Enough to wobble Benavidez.
True that. Enough to wobble Benavidez, yeah.
You're right. Moving up. Charles Conwell versus
Jorge Garcia Perez. Alex, you're a bit of a Conwell
fan, aren't you? A little bit. A little bit.
I should look into him more. I don't look at
him as much as I watch someone like Abdul Mason.
But he's still on my radar. You know what I mean?
Right. I need him in the mix at 154 at this point.
Seriously. He does need to. He needs to step
it up. He's got the goods to step up. But the
problem is he's a golden boy. Right. That's one
of his biggest issues, that he's with Goldenboy.
I was surprised to hear he was with Goldenboy,
seeing as how he's not... He was with Matchroom,
and then he killed that guy and took a while
off, and then he came back with Goldenboy. That's
what I was saying. I thought he was still at
Matchroom. But seeing as how he's with Goldenboy,
that's going to kill his career, in my opinion.
Who knows? If he goes the turkey route. I mean,
if he goes the turkey route, yeah. But, I mean,
the only guy he could really get an in -house
fight with is obviously going to be Virgil. The
other guys are PBC fighters. You know? They're
not going to put him in with Virgil. Fuck no.
They would never. Because that kills their money.
Right. I think with in -house fights, they don't
want to destroy their own money. You know what
I mean? Moving up. It's the last one. Gabriela
Fandora, undisputed flyweight champion versus
top contender Marilyn Badillo Amaya. I hope Gabby
wins. I'm very hopeful. I'm very certain that
she's going to win. Gabby's a damn good fighter.
She's huge. For flyweight, she's fucking really
tall. She's 5 '9 of flyweight. also for the for
the women's as well he's really talented seriously
she's really good like she's up there i think
with clarissa type skill you know i mean she's
on the road to establishing herself in the same
in the same way yeah and i i actually i'm not
to sound like like funny and be like misogynistic
it's not it's actually not supposed to be misogynistic
but gabby is like the first time in a while i
was like really really hyped up or like a female
fighter because the last time i was like like
watching a female fighter was like amanda serrano
someone like that you know i mean right but it's
been a while since i've like had a female fighter
on my radar yeah exactly hyped i say i actually
believe in carolyn dubois a fair bit she's good
she's good yeah carolyn dubois as well i'm really
hyped about gabriella though yeah just really
humble too Which I like. Oh, yeah, she's just...
Well, it runs in the family, I guess. Pandora's
also, I guess, weird that way. She's good, you
know? She's funny. I've talked to her a few times.
She's fun. Really? Yeah. After fights. You have
talked to Gabby, then? I have. I don't have her
fucking phone number or anything. It was just
in a professional context. You could have...
Could have tried. No, you're not getting the
hookup in a professional context. No. Yeah, I
couldn't. In a professional context. Where do
you think does Gabby land top 10 skill for skill?
Skill for skill, Josh, are you familiar with
it? It's a thing I made up. It's a gender neutral
pound for pound. Fuck, that's a cool concept.
I gotta think of that. I think she could make
top 10 to 15, but I don't think she cracks the
top 10. No, the top 10, it's... That's tough.
The gap presents itself just on ruleset and history.
Yeah. Of top 15 of all time? No, just... No,
presently. Yeah, all time, no. All time, fuck
no. The all time discussion is for when we have
a dead week. You know what? I do think she has
potential. I'm not even joking. She has a lot
of potential. And I think she can get there.
Yeah. She makes the top 20. Skill for skill.
Yeah, skill for skill right now. Top 20. You
got the goods, Gabriela. You got the goods. I
would say top 10. Top 10? That's what I was asking.
Because I said like 10 to 15. Like I'll agree
10 to 15, but I need to make like a formal list
being like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Josh is playing devil's advocate. I think that
was good, dude. She's really, she is very talented.
So I would put her, I would rate her highly amongst
all the women in boxing. Yeah. Oh, so yeah. Isn't
she like the first undisputed? Um, she's the
youngest undisputed champion ever. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That was my first time disputed from Coachella
for the women's bet. Anything more for the Golden
Boy card? Hell nah. All right. Last thing before
we get the hell out of here. And least. Yes,
last but also least. On Sunday, April 20th, if
you have weed, do that instead. You'll probably
have more fun. Actually, have weed and watch
the main event. Shit. The co -main is actually
pretty fun, too. That, too. Well, no, it isn't.
Today is so old. I know. All right, let's get
into it. This is Boxer. If you're in the US,
it's going to be on Peacock streaming service.
And then if you're elsewhere, it'll be on Sky
or Sky Sports, I think. But in the UK, Ben Whittaker.
He's making his return. I know you're just real
fucking miffed that he's still doing it. Maybe
you are. I don't know. I'm putting words in your
mouth. He's rematching the dude that he had the
draw with. He fell out of the ring or something
and then he was all... That was if he faked his
injury. That was a fake injury. Run the tape.
He was getting cooked. Yeah, he was in trouble.
I hope he gets cooked again. The co -main that
I mentioned would be kind of fun is Frazier Clark.
He's a decent -ish British -level heavyweight.
Yeah, British. I did have to add that qualifier.
Most known for having a dent put in his head
by Fabio Wardley. And his opponent, Ebenezer
Teta is how they pronounce it. Yeah. It's this
very old man. You can find YouTube videos of
him. You can see how he amassed his professional
record, 23 and 2. You can see because there's
just really poor quality videos. They set up
in the middle of a park and they put a really
dingy ring together. And we're talking like jumping,
skipping ropes as the ropes. Yeah. Or actual
like cargo ship fucking ropes. It's unfortunate.
I can't talk shit. No, I'm not talking shit.
This is just what it is. It's interesting. It's
an interesting state of affairs that they got
going on in his corner of Africa. That's like
Street Beats. Nah, Street Beats has the whole
hexagon. They're up in the budget recently. It's
probably a higher budget than this fight. Oh,
fuck yeah, dude. It's Boxer. Of course. Teta
getting paid in a goat. He's going to get three
polos that have various IT companies that he
has nothing to do with, but he's going to get
those IT guy polos. That's part of his payout.
Man, if Frazier Clark doesn't win this, that's
a tough one. That's such a tough road back. It
might be time to consider coaching instead. Might
be time for a David Allen rematch if you lose
to Ebenezer Tete. That'd be sad. What do you
mean? The White Rhino is only... What was the
thing they said in, like, 2018? He's only three
fights away from AJ? In when? When he beat...
Lucas Brown. I think Eddie Hearn was like, he's
maybe three fights away from AJ, and then AJ
lost to Andy Ruiz. And I'm like, yeah, he's three
losses away from AJ fighting him. David Allen
lost to Tony Yoka. How did I not know this? He
lost to David Price in the year of our Lord 2019.
I remember that. I remember because Robbie was
a big fan of Cool as Ice Price. I was so sad
to see it. I needed the meme to just go a little
bit farther. Brad doesn't like it like that,
though. If you're ever feeling, if you're ever
bored, there's no boxing on, look up his fight
with Ariel Esteban Bracamonte and just get stoned
and watch it. Bracamonte is just gigantic. Argentine,
isn't he? Argentinian. Yeah, but they just, like,
for six rounds, they just went balls to the wall.
No defense, no movement. Party. They just wailed
on each other. And finally, the rematch, Ben
Whitaker versus Liam Cameron. We already laid
out the foundation of it. Fucking fake the injury.
to get out of a fight he was very clearly losing,
then they're going to rematch. So Ben Whittaker,
he's my guilty pleasure. The way his dancing
triggers the libs of boxing, it just, it does
it for me. The libs are your co -hosts, but yeah.
It's the phrase. It triggers people. The boxing
fans get all up in their feelings about Ben Whittaker.
I get in my feelings about him. He's going to
get better. I was so happy watching him get fraud
checked at the Olympics. I've been hate watching
since the Olympics. That's how much you know
he's a fucking hater. The hate watch is crazy.
That is a level of sicko I have yet to reach.
Yeah, that's crazy. If you're more sick than
fucking Leo, you're sick. Listen, listen, listen.
I'm going to be smoking the pack this weekend.
Well, yeah, we'll see. I'm going to be smoking
the pack at the end of the day. We'll see what
happens with Ben Whitaker. I hope he loses, though.
I do hope he loses, but for the memes, I would
like for him to win. What if he gets, like, a
fight with Benavidez, dude? He's not that. No,
no, no. Fuck no. No, no, no. Anthony Yard. Give
him Anthony Yard because Anthony Yard is actually,
like, that fight would be so bad in, like, the
best way. Maybe more. Ben Whitaker just jabs
Anthony Yard's non -existent defense in his face
until Yard, like, just beats the shit out of
them. Ah, yeah. I want to see Ben Whitaker lose.
Do I want him to win to lose more embarrassingly
another day? Or do I want him to lose embarrassingly
now? Both things can be true at the same time.
True. I want him to get better at it. You know
what puts the theme? Oh, my God. Want something
like that. Give me that. Just getting cooked.
I just need him to get cooked. Give me that Spence
Crawford beatdown. Oh, Jesus. Don't hurt the
man. I need him to get cooked like that. Yeah,
I mean, we're just wishing for his death at this
point. It's not even cool. Let me do this real
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Welcome to the fucking show. All right. Just
a quick blurb just so you can get back to what
you were doing. Why would a boxing fan, let's
assume they're like a purist or some shit, why
would they want to watch MMA? Why would they
want to listen to an MMA show? I'm going to come
at this from sort of like a primal level. So
I will admit there are some very unique and stark
differences between MMA and boxing. And it seems
like one of the main things that... uh keeps
boxing fans away from mma is the grappling aspect
and yes sometimes it can be you know a lay and
pray uh type of fight and it can get old but
man like it's just instinctual man some of these
people the way they find an mma is just brutal
and i feel like that's what it comes down to
when it comes to being a combat fan a combat
sports fan um i mean we saw it just recently
Mauricio Rufi versus Bobby Green spinning back
or spinning a wheel kick. Man, it's I mean, they
went viral and it's something that everyone can
appreciate, even boxing fans. I know if you have
a few friends that are boxing fans who I sent
him that clip. I mean, and they they were amazed
and that, you know, they won't even tell me that
they wish they would have seen it live because.
Seeing that type of stuff live just elicits,
like, a euphoric feeling that, you know, you
can't get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too,
whenever you see, like, an amazing fight. But
I just got to say, like, in MMA, you get those
type of fights as well, just in a different type.
It's different, but sort of the same. It's sort
of weird how I describe it. But it's different,
but the same. It comes down to that same, like,
carnal or primal instinct. of just like fights
yeah i i always think like the biggest the easiest
transition that i always recommend i say this
all the time on ultimate fucking casuals is if
you're if you're not too keen on the grappling
muay thai and kickboxing are exactly where you
want to start like you start working on the kicks
the elbows the knees that's all that stuff And
you can come to learn to appreciate grappling.
I never thought I would. And here I am. Yeah.
Like I said, some of it is very boring. Some
of the grappling. It depends on the fighters.
But sometimes, man. There's boring boxing fights
all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, you're true.
I mean, you're right. But man, some of these
grapplers, man. These scrambles that they do.
It is like pretty crazy just to see it. Like,
you know, rolling around the floor. I mean, you
can see. The stuff that they're doing in between.
And the scrambles. I mean it's sort of crazy.
Flipping someone over. The trips. I mean it's.
It can be fun. But yeah you're right. The easiest
transition is definitely. Start out with Muay
Thai. Kickboxing. And you know slowly. Work your
way into MMA. And you know. This is the thing
about. The ultimate fucking casuals. We will
let you know which fights are going to be good.
Which ones you know. If you're not too in tune
with the grappling. We can get maybe. a little
tag or a little asterisk on certain fights saying,
like, this is a boxing purist type of fight.
Yeah. You can watch this and enjoy this. Like,
we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try. Like,
I came into this. The whole show was started
with me. I didn't know shit about MMA. I'd never
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
entire life. And I came into this with nothing.
And yeah, that's where we're at now is like we're
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
that people know like this for boxing fans to
know this is what this is where you can start.
All right. Well, yeah, that was about it. I really
appreciate your time. Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.