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B -Side. B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a

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Podcast. Let me fucking affect us a formal introduction.

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The Boxing B -Sides. The boys are fucking back.

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The Boxing B -Side boys are back. Get all those

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B's up in your shit. Alex, the one and only,

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and Josh, welcome back. How you doing? Hell yeah.

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Fucking... I decided to skip the MMA stuff just

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because I'm not caught up on that either. Or

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caught up on that. I'm not. I did catch up on

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the boxing. Of course. Fucking the magic of editing.

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Who's going to know? It's a professional production.

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Yeah, I'm really good at this. Yeah. Yeah, I

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saw. I wanted to skip the MMA stuff just because

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I'm not caught up just yet, but I will be soon.

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So I'll probably bring it up next time or in

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a few weeks. I'll probably start talking about

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it again. But let's get straight into. The fucking

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boxing recaps. Ape Day. Ape Day, that's right.

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Saturday, April 5th. From fucking dusk till dawn,

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there was boxing. Lots of it. Starting first,

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Queensbury in Manchester in the UK. Now, there's

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a bunch of shit on this card that I'm sorry,

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British fellows. I don't fucking care. This card

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is kind of stinky. I'm excited for the main event.

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Yeah, I just picked a few. Average Queensborough

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card. With names I recognize, like Mark Chamberlain,

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points decision. I remember him because a Turkey

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motherfuck guy. He has, like, this weird fixation

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on Mark Chamberlain. So, yeah, there you go.

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Points decision. Well, Josh probably beat him.

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Oh, did he? That's excellent. Oh, right. This

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is, yeah. Jack Rafferty, stoppage in five. David

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Adelaide, or Adelaide. I kept fucking that up.

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Stoppage in five over TKV. And, oof, what a...

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I watched this. Filip Hergovich gets the UD over

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Joe Joyce. I watched this at the airport. While

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I was waiting for my flight. And I was... I had

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literally nothing else to do. I was bored out

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of my fucking mind. That was not a very enjoyable

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fight. Like, Joyce is so washed and Herkovich

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was just out of shape and not motivated. And

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not very good. Yeah. Herkovich reminds me of

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Jerry Anderson. He just doesn't want to do it.

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Doesn't want to do it anymore. He gives it...

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He kind of, like... He has those glimpses where

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he does. He also just has the, like, Jose Ramirez

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syndrome where he just shuts off. Autopilot.

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And coasts. Yeah, he's just, like, he's there,

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but he's not there. Which, like... Unfortunate.

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I mean, it's the only reason Joey's made it the

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distance. Because... Yeah, he was tagging him

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up plenty, but it's like he didn't have any instinct.

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The killer instinct to... go after a finish.

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The eye of the tiger, some would say. Honestly,

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I hate going the, you should retire, but like,

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Joyce is like the desecrated remains of a trapo.

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Oh. He's not polishing the furniture. He's cleaning

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up oil spills in the garage. He's a good one

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right now. And the boxing theory? Boxing hamper?

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Yeah, the boxing laundry. That boxing hamper,

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yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what else

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to take away from this other than both of these

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guys are not very good. Yeah. Good for Hergovich,

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I guess. Yeah, congrats. Get yourself another

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payday. You're going to get another fight and

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you're going to get your ass kicked if the competition

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has stepped up even like a smidgen of a degree.

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Yeah. Is Hergovich still with Matchroom, or is

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he signed with Queensborough now? He's doing

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whatever. Free agent? Yeah. But let's move on

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to something that was a little bit more fun.

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Just by a bit. Johnny Beck, Lim Kanuli, stops.

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Man, this is a tough one. Ngam Isenge. Ngam Isenge.

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Yeah, sounded out. All right, Alex, you're a

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big Johnny Beck fan. Am I mistaken in this? No,

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you're not mistaken at all. I'll tell you, I

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might be biased, but at the same time, all you

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got to do is watch that KO video, dude. That

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was nasty. That was a good knockout. I like that

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knockout a lot. Is it an early shortlist for...

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Knockout of the year? Potentially, yes, in my

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opinion. Might be a good nomination for the first

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half. I haven't seen a lot of good knockouts

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this half, so yeah, it's up there. It's early

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in the year. Yeah, it's early. Yeah, it's early

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right now. I'm glad that Jonabek is knocking

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out these guys properly. When you knock someone

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out, you make a statement, and that's how he

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becomes more well -known. 160 is desolate, but

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the best you can do is just actually knock out

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the guy in front of you. I mean, think about

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it. Betterbeef, at least before Bivol fought

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Canelo, Betterbeef was more known than Bivol.

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The only reason was because of knockouts. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Bivol is a better fighter,

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but Betterbeef is known for his knockouts. You

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know, that's how you become known in boxing.

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You do knockouts. In my opinion. See, I don't

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want him to move up, but also 160 is so desolate

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that you almost have to. I was going to ask is

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how many more times can he do this before it's

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time? Like, dude, there's nobody there. I'm not

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sure what you want. I'm sure if he, give him

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the unification with Erzladi Lara, please. Finally

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put Lara out the pasture and then move up. Would

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be nice. They won't give him that payday. PBC

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will not do that. I think it would be better

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for Janabek to go to 168 and fight some guys

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there. He could even fight in Billy at 168. That

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could be an in -house fight. Yeah, I was going

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to ask. Who's available? Yeah. Well, there's

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a lot of guys available at 168. Canelo is going

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to be undisputed again, most likely. That or

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that. To be fair, he could also just go on a

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Euro tour because there's Hamza Shiraz and Chris

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Eubank at that weight class. Hamza, sheer ass.

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Yeah, he is sheer ass. But Hamza, he's not going

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to fight Hamza because at the simple point that

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Hamza won't fight him. Remember, Hamza was supposed

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to fight him. Yeah, fair enough. So that's not

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going to happen for a while. It's just tough.

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It's tough at 160 because there's like three

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people whose names you recognize and then you're

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just like, oh. All the other guys are just not

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that good. There's not even that good of talent

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there. Bruno Saras. 160? Yeah, because that's

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where he usually fights. Maybe. I guess. Emma

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Williams is with Mattroom, right? Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, the Canadian in me. It's the Canadian

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in me, but give Patrice Foley another shot. I

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don't know. I think that Johnny Beck does him

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pretty bad. Yeah, but he's only lost by decision.

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True. Honestly, he didn't lose to Falcao. He

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didn't really lose to Falcao. I think Jenebeck

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stops him. No, absolutely Jenebeck stops him.

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He's 35 and Canadian. Yeah. But give Patrice

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Volney a chance. Give this man a chance. I said

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this last time, and I'm going to say it again.

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I think Jenebeck should fight Canelo. That would

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be the best fight, in my opinion. He should.

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One of the best better fights. He rates it. I

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think he rates it. Josh, you agree with me? I

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would have disagreed with you like four years

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ago, but now we're in the era of him fighting

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Berlanga. Fuck it. Give me Janabek Canelo. Fighting

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Crawford. Berlanga and Munguia really destroyed

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my standard for a Canelo opponent. At least,

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Charlo, you could have argued. Triple G, Trilogy.

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Again, you could argue. Even Ryder. was a solid

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opponent at the time. Ryder was a mandatory.

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What does Berlanga really give? Money. Not even,

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bro. No one likes Berlanga. He sucks. Yeah. He's

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not that good of a fighter. He's not that good

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of a person. Low -key, the Christopher Lovejoy

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of Super Middleweight. Christopher Lovejoy? He's

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a... One of those meme heavyweights. He fought

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20 guys in Mexico and then lost to a Muhammad

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Char. Oh, okay. I didn't know the name. Because

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the only place I've heard Lovejoy as a name,

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someone's name is The Simpsons. Yeah. Reverend

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Lovejoy. 6 '5", 300 pounds. He's got 20 knockouts,

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though. I'm looking forward to Jandabek's future.

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Yeah, the only fights that are, like, really

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worth talking about with him, if it's not Adamas

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or Lara, who it probably won't be, like, everyone

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else that's worth a damn is at 68. I'm not sure

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how much longer you can keep can smashing. Yeah,

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because you're just going to run out of your

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prime at that point. Right. He's 32. No money.

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Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of time. Like, he's

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got time to go up. I disagree. I think probably

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he has another eight years if he wanted to. He

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hasn't taken a lot of career damage. At his peak,

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peak. At his peak. Oh, no, no, no. At his peak,

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no, no, no. But, I mean, the guy's honestly,

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the guy's kind of retired later on in the career

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nowadays. Yeah. But he's got the WBO. He can

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move up. have that mandatory position and either

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force a fight with someone notable in the WBO

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rankings or Canelo. Champs, in their rules, champs

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that move up get to challenge the champion. That's

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what I'm saying. If he wanted to, he can. He

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could if he wanted to. He totally can. So you

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can just force it. Well, that would be pretty

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good because, you know, that could probably throw

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off Turkey's whole game plan with Canelo of being

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undisputed. And if Top Rank only wants to stick

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it to Turkey, that would be a perfect way. It

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would be. Because the WBO does not fuck around

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with their titles, dude. They will strip you.

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Well, would they strip Canelo, though? Because

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that's money in the bank, so I don't think that

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they would strip him in particular. Well... Oh,

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no, it was the IVF that stripped him last time.

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That's right. Yes. Yeah, it was the IVF. The

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WBO wouldn't, but they'd create, like, interims.

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And basically, it would just be a way to build

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profile and get used to the weight class. So

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you get names. That's true. Hopefully, after

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Canelo retires, I really do want to see another

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Super 6 tournament. Yeah, like a Super Middleweight.

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For the WBO, it's Diego Pacheco at number one,

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Mbili at number two, Berlanga at number three.

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So all three of those are good fights. And Mbili's

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on your side of the street. Berlanga, no one

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wants him, so it's easy to just pay him and get

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him over to your side. Yep. Hell, Bruno Suarez

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is technically ranked. Question. Would Berlanga

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go back to top rank, though? I don't think so.

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For one fight? Maybe. It depends on how stupid

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he is. How stupid you think him and his management

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are. I don't have a very high esteem of Berlanga.

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Like he seems like the type of person to go,

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I can totally do this. Who the fuck is this Uzbek?

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And then get starched in two. I got a feeling

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he's going to become a PBC fighter. I don't know

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why. Well, he has a profile and they are pretty

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good about doing that. And you always need that.

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You need to build there. They do need to build

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their guys. Like you need to rebuild morale.

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Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's what Matt was

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going to do with him. You know. He sucks. He

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sucks at canned. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Jalilov. Jalilov.

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I want to talk about Jalilov. Yeah, that's what

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I was going to say. I've been kind of dying about

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it. Well, let's get to it. Oh, man. He doesn't

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look interested. In fighting? No, like in being

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a pro. He doesn't look that interested. Yeah,

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that's too bad. It can totally be an off night,

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but that was a stinking performance. You watched

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that fight, right? I did not, so I'm leaning

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on you guys to kind of give me the rundown of

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how was he? Why does he look like he doesn't

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want to be there, be here in the sport at large?

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Well, I disagree with what Josh says. I don't

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know about not wanting to be in the sport. However,

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the guy he fought was... Imagine the Ukrainian

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Butterbean. Oh, geez. Yeah. And he went the distance

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with that. Just throwing one -twos. Like, the

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jabs just didn't... Like, he didn't look interested

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in stepping out of first gear, is what I mean.

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Okay. Or, like, showing any more dimensions.

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Like, he coasted off a one -two, hurt him a couple

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times, but didn't follow up. I agree. If anything,

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I... I think he just probably was interested

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in just pushing the initiative, I guess. I guess

00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.000
I could really do that then. But it's a bad sign

00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:02.259
at this stage because you can end up coasting

00:16:02.259 --> 00:16:05.799
when it matters. He hasn't even had 15 fights

00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:11.779
yet, and we're already plateauing with him. We'll

00:16:11.779 --> 00:16:16.159
see. We'll see what happens. But honestly, Jalalov.

00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:19.570
That was a horrible performance. I think it was

00:16:19.570 --> 00:16:23.509
worse than Jared Anderson's, in my opinion. So,

00:16:23.590 --> 00:16:26.730
serious question. We're going to be talking about

00:16:26.730 --> 00:16:29.809
him in a little bit. Jalalov, Richard Torres.

00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:34.909
Jalalov still wins. Jalalov still wins. Torres

00:16:34.909 --> 00:16:40.289
is so limited. It's no fault of Torres' own,

00:16:40.490 --> 00:16:44.669
but like... I forget how many times Jalilov beat

00:16:44.669 --> 00:16:48.389
him in the amateurs. Oh, shit. He didn't really

00:16:48.389 --> 00:16:50.730
step out of first gear there either. He basically

00:16:50.730 --> 00:16:55.649
stopped him in the amateurs in first gear. Yeah,

00:16:56.210 --> 00:17:00.049
he fucked him up. Is Jalilov like a superhero?

00:17:00.750 --> 00:17:05.089
And he's like ultimate power and he's just bored?

00:17:06.289 --> 00:17:12.089
He might be. He might be. But it's not going

00:17:12.089 --> 00:17:15.029
to be Torres. It's not going to be Torres who

00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:19.650
draws it out of him. Italma. That's the man.

00:17:21.130 --> 00:17:24.089
That's spicy. They're all in a collision course.

00:17:24.309 --> 00:17:27.049
Italma, Jalilov, and Richard Torres. They're

00:17:27.049 --> 00:17:28.789
going to be on a collision course. One of those

00:17:28.789 --> 00:17:33.690
fighters is not like the others. Yeah. Well,

00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:35.869
hey, you know what? We'll get into that right

00:17:35.869 --> 00:17:38.920
now with Richard Torres. But you know what? I'll

00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.119
try to make a case for him. All right. I'll try.

00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:46.119
I'll try. Anything more for Kazakhstan? Zauberbeck.

00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:49.339
I don't know if you were kind of paying attention,

00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:51.559
Josh, to Zauberbeck, but he seemed pretty good.

00:17:55.339 --> 00:17:58.599
Zauberbeck? Yeah. Zultan Zauberbeck. Yeah. I

00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.039
thought he did pretty good. Because I know that

00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.420
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Ramen .lvx .be. All right, moving to Australia

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before we get to Richard Torres. Just some ones

00:21:05.619 --> 00:21:08.519
that I wanted to mention. Andrei Mikhailovich,

00:21:08.740 --> 00:21:12.880
Johnny Beck's most previous opponent. He drops

00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.049
the ball, split decision. Cohen Mazudier. He's

00:21:17.049 --> 00:21:21.789
an Aussie. Scrappy guy. I've enjoyed his fights.

00:21:22.049 --> 00:21:24.450
Of all the ones I've seen, I've enjoyed them

00:21:24.450 --> 00:21:29.569
all. He's scrappy, fun. Cuts a good promo for

00:21:29.569 --> 00:21:32.650
being super religious. Still does it pretty well.

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And he beat the fucking shit out of Dan Hill.

00:21:38.069 --> 00:21:41.230
Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Dan Hill's face was

00:21:41.230 --> 00:21:45.900
rearranged. That was rough. It was funny. I thought

00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:48.980
he was crying, but he couldn't get tears out

00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:54.240
because his face was so swollen. Oh, jeez. Wasn't

00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.180
as bad as Mario Barrios, though. No, not that

00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:01.839
bad. Tim Zhu stops Joey Spencer in the fourth.

00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.000
Joey Spencer's not that good, and this is a rebuild.

00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:09.839
Good bounce back, though. Good bounce back. Yeah,

00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:12.160
this is the rebuild for Tim Zhu. The road to

00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.670
the championship starts here. It's very easy

00:22:15.670 --> 00:22:19.930
to, like, look ahead and just trip over what's

00:22:19.930 --> 00:22:24.950
in front of you if you're a zoo. Yes. Yeah. Leo,

00:22:25.049 --> 00:22:26.890
I know last time we were talking about Tim Zoo

00:22:26.890 --> 00:22:29.529
and how you were mentioning how his dad wasn't

00:22:29.529 --> 00:22:33.349
in the corner. So I kind of want to go back to

00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:35.569
what we were talking about last time. Honestly,

00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:38.289
I should not have talking about it, but point

00:22:38.289 --> 00:22:42.250
stands. Continue. Honestly, like Tim Zoo, he

00:22:42.250 --> 00:22:45.559
looked the exact same. That's the last time he

00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.460
fought, which I hope that he was going to be

00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:52.420
a little – he would have a little more defense.

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:55.880
You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think he'll

00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:58.279
ever have the defense that he should, but he

00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:01.380
should refine his offensive game too. Yeah, sure.

00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.279
Because getting timed is his problem. It isn't

00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.460
the chin or it isn't like – like his lapses come

00:23:10.460 --> 00:23:13.369
from getting timed. Yeah, that's actually facts.

00:23:14.430 --> 00:23:16.890
And the thing is, I saw no difference between

00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:19.170
last year. Yeah, but it's also Joey Spencer.

00:23:19.470 --> 00:23:22.130
Right. So you don't really have to worry that

00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:25.710
much. You could have still seen a little bit

00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:27.809
of change, you know what I mean? If there was

00:23:27.809 --> 00:23:31.029
any, which there wasn't. Which, if there's not

00:23:31.029 --> 00:23:34.549
any change, he's going to get flipped in the

00:23:34.549 --> 00:23:39.369
future. And bad. Yeah. Absolutely. Give him T.

00:23:39.490 --> 00:23:42.160
Thurman. Cash out with Keith Thurman and then

00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.799
maybe Ben's fight. Yeah, Sven's still around.

00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.339
And then Charlo. Charlo, that's still a good

00:23:52.339 --> 00:23:56.039
fight to make. I feel like Jesus Ramos is that

00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:59.900
perfect. Like, after cashing out against, cashing

00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:03.220
Spence out, Jesus Ramos, and then you really

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:06.940
see if he's actually back still all there. Yeah.

00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.500
Because, like, Ramos is super beatable if he's

00:24:09.500 --> 00:24:12.470
there. But if he's not there, then... Good fight

00:24:12.470 --> 00:24:15.930
may be Abel Ramos. I don't think Abel's a good

00:24:15.930 --> 00:24:18.990
one. Well, it's just a confidence builder, you

00:24:18.990 --> 00:24:21.849
know what I mean? Well, I suppose for that purpose,

00:24:22.049 --> 00:24:24.809
yes. You know, getting out knocked out like that,

00:24:24.849 --> 00:24:26.450
you still need some confidence boosters, you

00:24:26.450 --> 00:24:29.069
know what I mean? Yeah. That's why they gave

00:24:29.069 --> 00:24:31.269
him Joey Spencer. I think they should have another

00:24:31.269 --> 00:24:35.829
fight, maybe two, of confidence boosters. until

00:24:35.829 --> 00:24:38.589
he can get up to something like the rankings

00:24:38.589 --> 00:24:41.869
amongst the champions. You know what I mean?

00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:45.750
Is Keith Thurman a good – is he in the confidence

00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:52.150
booster level? No, I'm sorry. See, I have no

00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:55.309
idea how washed Keith Thurman is or not. Does

00:24:55.309 --> 00:25:00.150
anybody ever? Nobody's ever – Yeah, he lost to

00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:04.279
Pacquiao, but – Pacquiao. No, you can say so

00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.460
many things about that performance, and that

00:25:06.460 --> 00:25:10.380
was six fucking years ago, and then he beat the

00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:13.180
shit out of Mario Barrios. Went on to become

00:25:13.180 --> 00:25:17.619
a champion, so the win ages pretty well. That

00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:21.420
win ages really well, but... Wait, does it age

00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.299
with Mario Barrios' skill? If they rematched?

00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:27.279
No, I'm saying with Mario Barrios and how you've

00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.269
kind of seen him fight. Last couple years. Does

00:25:29.269 --> 00:25:32.049
it really age well? It ages well compared to...

00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:39.950
He's the weakest champion of the three. That's

00:25:39.950 --> 00:25:43.750
what I mean. But 147. There's so much you can

00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:46.630
say about Keith Thurman. Is he there? Is he not?

00:25:47.029 --> 00:25:51.829
He has to be shot. He beat the dog shit out of

00:25:51.829 --> 00:25:56.589
Mario Barrios. Yeah. That's Mario Barrios. He's

00:25:56.589 --> 00:25:59.829
not great. He hasn't panned out as well as I

00:25:59.829 --> 00:26:06.809
thought. The things that you expect, like when

00:26:06.809 --> 00:26:09.390
you think of Keith Thurman as shot, you think

00:26:09.390 --> 00:26:12.009
of him as like shot, shot, especially with the

00:26:12.009 --> 00:26:14.710
injuries that he had to come back from. Yeah.

00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:17.890
It's just the movement. He's been moving pretty

00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:20.289
good. And that's why I'm like, how shot is he

00:26:20.289 --> 00:26:23.769
really? I would like for Tim Zhu to determine

00:26:23.769 --> 00:26:29.009
that. Yes, please. Make it in Australia. Yeah,

00:26:29.089 --> 00:26:33.250
keep Keith in Australia. Have him beat up Aussies

00:26:33.250 --> 00:26:36.930
and he can do like a Floyd Mayweather -esque

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:42.569
sort of career run. Yeah, he cuts a good promo

00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:47.670
too. He cuts a great promo. Yeah, he does. He

00:26:47.670 --> 00:26:50.069
would talk a lot of shit. Just play the heel.

00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.220
talk shit about the Aussies. None of your guys

00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:57.700
aren't good enough to be on my level and whatever.

00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.680
It would be great. Yeah, he would. Alright, anything

00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:08.440
more for Australia before we move on to... Nope.

00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:15.880
Fun stuff. Oh, man. At the Palms Resort in Vegas.

00:27:16.670 --> 00:27:20.210
Richard Torres gets the job done. Of all the

00:27:20.210 --> 00:27:23.250
other fights on the card, there's only two that

00:27:23.250 --> 00:27:27.609
I really wanted to mention. Did I miss anything

00:27:27.609 --> 00:27:30.630
else? Are there others that are worth pointing

00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:34.690
out? No. All right, cool. There's, what's his

00:27:34.690 --> 00:27:37.390
name, Bang Bang? Chop Chop, Chop Chop, Chop Chop

00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:41.490
Gonzalez. Chop Chop Gonzalez. Albert Gonzalez.

00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:45.559
Yeah, Chop Chop, Albert Chop Chop, yeah. Yeah,

00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:48.279
he's... He had kind of a lackluster performance.

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.900
I just wanted to mention that. We get into our

00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:56.180
wiki bag just to be like, yeah, he didn't...

00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:59.619
Pretty midder. Pretty fucking midder. No, the

00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:02.680
thing is, I think he can do a lot better, but

00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.940
I just felt like he just didn't step it up this

00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:10.079
time around for some reason. No. But he does

00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.269
have some potential, which I'm kind of... Try

00:28:13.269 --> 00:28:16.349
to follow him a little more? Yeah. We'll see

00:28:16.349 --> 00:28:18.470
what happens with him. I wanted to point out

00:28:18.470 --> 00:28:21.250
Elvis Rodriguez drops the ball. Majority decision.

00:28:22.670 --> 00:28:26.970
Lindolfo Delgado is not terrible. But he's not

00:28:26.970 --> 00:28:29.269
who you want to be. No, you don't want to be

00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:35.289
dropping the ball to this guy. But who fucking

00:28:35.289 --> 00:28:38.430
did not drop the ball? Abdullah Mason. I was

00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:41.309
thinking about this one. And I wanted to say

00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:44.430
instead of like Pretty Boy Floyd in the kind

00:28:44.430 --> 00:28:52.109
of rhyme. So Pretty Fella Abdullah is what I

00:28:52.109 --> 00:28:54.150
wanted to go with. I don't know if it works as

00:28:54.150 --> 00:28:57.549
well as Pretty Boy Floyd. But man, that is exactly

00:28:57.549 --> 00:29:02.150
who he fucking looks like. Just beautiful offense,

00:29:02.349 --> 00:29:05.029
beautiful violence. It's amazing to watch him

00:29:05.029 --> 00:29:08.029
fight. And I know that I sound like I'm glazing.

00:29:08.970 --> 00:29:11.950
Kind of him because Abdullah Mason is fucking

00:29:11.950 --> 00:29:15.609
legit. He's special. Yeah, if you are not watching

00:29:15.609 --> 00:29:20.789
him, you are missing out for real. Mason the

00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:23.829
Menace? Yeah. That works a lot better than Pretty

00:29:23.829 --> 00:29:30.509
Fella. I like Pretty Fella. What do you think

00:29:30.509 --> 00:29:34.890
is next for him? For Abdullah Mason? He should

00:29:34.890 --> 00:29:36.670
have fought Giovanni Cabrera. I think he should

00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:38.910
have fought him again. He should. Yeah, he still

00:29:38.910 --> 00:29:43.269
should. Honestly, bring Yoshino out. See how

00:29:43.269 --> 00:29:49.589
he does it better than Shakur. Yeah. Bring Yoshino

00:29:49.589 --> 00:29:52.349
out. Man, he's going to hurt Yoshino because

00:29:52.349 --> 00:29:55.569
Yoshino's there to be hit. Luis Alberto Lopez

00:29:55.569 --> 00:30:01.049
moved up, too, if you want a fun fight. He's

00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:03.470
a lightweight now. I thought that he just did

00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:07.059
that because he had been out for a while. And

00:30:07.059 --> 00:30:09.380
so he just kind of took that little gimme fight

00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:12.319
back at the end of March. You might be right.

00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:17.180
But also, I think that's a fun fight. I think

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:24.880
that Mason would seriously hurt Luis Lopez. Oh,

00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.880
absolutely. I fear for his health. He had a really

00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:33.019
nasty knockout and had a subdural hematoma as

00:30:33.019 --> 00:30:35.869
a result. and that probably shouldn't be back

00:30:35.869 --> 00:30:38.430
right that's you that's supposed to be a career

00:30:38.430 --> 00:30:43.369
ender not because you can't continue but like

00:30:43.369 --> 00:30:46.549
you better you shouldn't shouldn't if you want

00:30:46.549 --> 00:30:49.390
to like you want to see your kids grow up uh

00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:53.369
don't leave them alone top rank leave what's

00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:56.849
the top rank leave it now though alone uh what's

00:30:56.849 --> 00:31:00.730
his name um ray murataya that's a yeah it's a

00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:03.839
decent one Floyd Schofield. I don't think he's

00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.039
ready for that. Okay, I was thinking Floyd Schofield,

00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:09.559
but is Golden Boy really going to risk it? No.

00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.059
They're not going to do that. Fuck no, they're

00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:13.200
not going to do that. That's not to be mean,

00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:15.279
but that's also kind of not a good fight for

00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.099
Bill Mason at this stage of his career. I think

00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.400
he should get someone that is either shot or

00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.920
is like so low. Actually, I take that back. He's

00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.200
kind of a contender now, right? He's getting

00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.109
there. I think he should just... Fight the Cabrera's

00:31:34.109 --> 00:31:37.650
of the world. You know? And then move up. I have

00:31:37.650 --> 00:31:39.609
a couple fights with the Cabrera's. Guys like

00:31:39.609 --> 00:31:43.230
Maxie Hughes, too. Maxie Hughes, yeah. I think

00:31:43.230 --> 00:31:46.490
a good step -up fight is also Kambosis. I was

00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:49.089
just going to say that. I feel like Kambosis

00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:54.069
is like... We know Kambosis would lose, but I

00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:56.950
feel like Kambosis is not at a stage where he's

00:31:56.950 --> 00:32:00.109
going to totally sell out. Especially since he's

00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:03.349
at 140 now. I'm actually trying. I think he can

00:32:03.349 --> 00:32:05.970
make 135 if the money's right. Yeah, no, for

00:32:05.970 --> 00:32:09.130
sure. He's just, like, I feel like Kamboso's,

00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:13.490
like, it's not that he's, like, a high -skill

00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:15.529
fighter, but he's a high -value fighter just

00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:19.769
due to how high his value. Yeah. Like, it's more

00:32:19.769 --> 00:32:24.069
money than Abdullah is worth right now, if that

00:32:24.069 --> 00:32:27.089
makes sense. That's true. That's true. I mean,

00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:28.329
he could probably fight Keyshawn's leftovers.

00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:31.279
He could maybe fight Lamos. That's actually a

00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.759
good shout, is just swim in the wake of Keyshawn

00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:39.480
Davis. Yeah. If we want to bring out the corpse

00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.859
of Miguel Burchelt, who's still doing it. Oh,

00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.460
shit. That would be horrible. Burchelt's still

00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:52.359
at it. Is he? He's still at it. Oh, man. I thought

00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.220
he hung it up. No. So you know what? You totally

00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:59.579
could bring out the, like. Like the shell of

00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:03.980
Miguel Burchelt. Oscar Valdez? Is he still due?

00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:07.160
Again, too high value. Too high value. Okay,

00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.119
yeah. You're right. Too high value. And also,

00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.720
I don't think he's ready for something like that

00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:16.940
yet. I think he needs to get to the hanger part.

00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:19.740
To fight guys like that. He's in between the

00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:21.819
tags and the hangers, in my opinion. He's got

00:33:21.819 --> 00:33:24.119
to be careful about fighting the little Mexican

00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.740
fighter. I'll tell you that. The duel has to

00:33:26.740 --> 00:33:31.490
be careful. Because he is suspect to get chinned.

00:33:31.710 --> 00:33:35.329
I was thinking that Mason is more at the hanger

00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:41.089
to ironed. Yeah, you need to step him up, but

00:33:41.089 --> 00:33:43.390
it's difficult to matchmake him because he's

00:33:43.390 --> 00:33:47.549
a top rank and you need opponents who are on

00:33:47.549 --> 00:33:50.210
the down end of their careers or too high value.

00:33:50.490 --> 00:33:52.849
Yeah, that's true. What about somebody who's

00:33:52.849 --> 00:33:57.289
on his level of being on the rise? No, I mean,

00:33:57.289 --> 00:33:59.950
if you want to feed him to Andy Cruz, go ahead.

00:34:00.190 --> 00:34:04.029
No, Andy Cruz, I think, is ahead of him. Yeah.

00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:06.369
I think he'd be Andy Cruz, but that's kind of

00:34:06.369 --> 00:34:11.909
wild to say. I mean, Lucas Boddy, the kind of...

00:34:11.909 --> 00:34:15.010
The Indian dude from Canada? Yeah, from Canada.

00:34:15.230 --> 00:34:19.190
Well, the thing is that he took out that Jake

00:34:19.190 --> 00:34:23.170
Paul prospect, Ashton Sylvie. So the thing is

00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:25.960
that... I feel like Body's at the peak of his

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:30.980
value right now. Ooh, good point. He's rematching

00:34:30.980 --> 00:34:33.579
Ashton, though, isn't he? Yeah. He's probably

00:34:33.579 --> 00:34:36.539
going to beat Ashton again, honestly. Josh Padley.

00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:42.579
Josh Padley. That is enough name value right

00:34:42.579 --> 00:34:44.159
now. That's true. You're right. You're right.

00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.800
But then, like, why not Maxie Hughes? Maxie Hughes

00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.800
is on the down slope, so that would be... I would

00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.000
say Maxie Hughes then, Josh Padley. Yeah, no

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:56.940
one wants Maxie Hughes either. No one cares.

00:34:58.219 --> 00:35:01.079
I mean, shoot. Cabrera, Maxie Hughes, Padley.

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.380
He has enough of a profile, and then you give

00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:06.300
him a shot at... You can't get a shot at a title

00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:08.679
for a while, though. There's some... There's

00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.139
that British Sam Noakes. I think that's a good

00:35:12.139 --> 00:35:16.380
one. That's on his level. True. Mark Chamberlain?

00:35:17.130 --> 00:35:21.969
Why not? Send them to Slogger. Guys that are

00:35:21.969 --> 00:35:25.190
just not the best that Duel can probably win

00:35:25.190 --> 00:35:27.170
against, you know, to make them look better.

00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:30.050
But they're better than the current stuff he's

00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:32.369
getting in the ring with. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh,

00:35:32.369 --> 00:35:36.409
yeah. Either way, I'm excited for what Duel's

00:35:36.409 --> 00:35:38.909
going to face in the future. I'm going to keep

00:35:38.909 --> 00:35:41.789
closely watching his career. I am, yeah. I will

00:35:41.789 --> 00:35:45.389
continue being a fucking hardcore stan for...

00:35:46.460 --> 00:35:49.119
Abdullah. The thing with Abdullah is that he

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.480
does have a lot of mistakes. He does make a good

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.280
amount of mistakes that I think can be fixed.

00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.079
But he needs to fix them as soon as possible

00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.559
or else he's going to get turned into a Devin

00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:01.679
Haney situation. Oh. Well, part of Devin Haney's

00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.039
problem is that he has no power to dissuade people

00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.699
from exploiting his errors. So there's two, again,

00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.139
as I said with Sue, there's two ways for Mason

00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:13.079
to go about it. There's refine that offensive

00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.289
game so you can't really get time. Or just round

00:36:17.289 --> 00:36:20.889
yourself out. Are you going to put your points

00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:27.670
into defense or the finer parts of offense? Personally,

00:36:27.670 --> 00:36:32.130
I think Abdullah's offense is pretty great, besides

00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:34.389
the fact that he can get a little too overconfident

00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:37.309
at times. That's part of refining the offense,

00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:41.519
though. Just that bit of discipline. Patience.

00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.400
Observation. That patience to be able to observe

00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.920
and then punish even harder. Boots has it perfectly.

00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:55.920
Go east a little bit to Philly. Boots doesn't

00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.260
overextend himself overly. We'll talk about that

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:03.659
when we get to Boots. But that's besides the

00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:07.260
point. That's for the next one. Yeah, that'll

00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:11.780
be next time. So, Richard Torres. Gets the UD

00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:15.800
over Guido. I've been saying this as much as

00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.920
I like Richard Torres as a character. I enjoy

00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:22.059
his fights. He is an exciting fighter to watch.

00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.000
The size disparity between him and the current

00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.980
standard for heavyweight, I see him not being

00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:35.420
able to overcome it the way Joseph Parker has

00:37:35.420 --> 00:37:39.539
been able to. And he's certainly no Mike Tyson.

00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.059
Like, that's not even fucking pretend. He's definitely

00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:47.179
not Usyk. Right. He's not Usyk either. It's just

00:37:47.179 --> 00:37:50.139
he comes. I don't think it's. Yeah, you're right.

00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.300
He's not going to be able to. The man needs pep

00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:55.880
in his step, dude. True. His feet are his worst

00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.159
aspect. It's atrocious. But he's a tap dancer.

00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:05.880
How does he not have lighter feet? Like, he can

00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.940
move laterally. It's just when he comes forward,

00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.760
it's in such lumbering steps that, like, he gets

00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.039
timed by anyone in the top ten. He almost got

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.639
timed by Guido. Oh, Guido. I actually love Guido.

00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.000
I love Guido. He's like a guilty pleasure to

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.059
watch. I love Guido. If Guido used his jab, I

00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:30.880
think he could have won the fight. Yeah, but

00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.059
he can't. He's Guido Vianello, bro. Yeah. Rich

00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:36.079
Torres, dude, when he was going in, he didn't

00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:37.940
go left or right. He goes straight to the center.

00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:40.539
And he doesn't mix it up. You know what I mean?

00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:44.039
Which it's pretty frustrating to see. Seeing

00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.340
how he's a short heavyweight. You know? And again,

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.920
like Leo said, I love the guy. I think he's humble.

00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.460
He's a great man to listen to and watch. It's

00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:58.079
just kind of hard. He's too small. I think the

00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:03.469
sudden step up from like... actual cans to like

00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:06.230
Guido Vianello means they're gonna try and cash

00:39:06.230 --> 00:39:09.590
him out soon oh you think so that's too bad like

00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:13.670
it's like it's just so sudden where they're like

00:39:13.670 --> 00:39:16.650
like basically if he lost to Guido then Guido

00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:22.869
is now the guy they can cash out well I do want

00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:24.809
to see Richard Torres with Jerry Anderson I think

00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:26.619
that is the fight to make a heavyweight That's

00:39:26.619 --> 00:39:29.980
going to be, I mean this unironically, the biggest

00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:32.820
American heavyweight fight we've had in the last,

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:35.440
I don't even know how long, 20 years? I wish,

00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:37.760
for the love of God, that Michael Hunter was

00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.699
still around and not like a part -time fighter

00:39:40.699 --> 00:39:46.539
on the BLK Prime. Because like Michael Hunter,

00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.300
Michael Hunter actually is a good heavyweight.

00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:55.460
When he fights. When he was younger, yeah. I

00:39:55.460 --> 00:39:59.440
think if he was with someone like PBC, he could

00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.380
have been with him and Wilder. It's kind of been

00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:06.800
over for him since that draw with Jerry Forrest.

00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.099
Yeah. It's kind of unfortunate to see the whole

00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:15.199
American heavyweight landscape, how dead it is.

00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:21.900
It's buried underneath cement in a casket. It's

00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.980
horrible right now. Well, I mean, heavyweight

00:40:24.980 --> 00:40:27.239
as a whole is going to be kind of, like, as soon

00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.179
as Usyk retires, like, it's kind of going to

00:40:31.179 --> 00:40:33.900
be fat dudes beating each other up for a while.

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.559
I disagree. I don't think so either. Because,

00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.679
like, you have Dubois. Who lost to Usyk, like,

00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.920
super comprehensively. What? Usyk, though. Usyk's

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.000
one of the greatest heavyweights. No, I know,

00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:49.599
but that's what I mean. Like, heavyweight's going

00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.820
to be kind of lost for a fair bit across the

00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:57.360
board. I actually disagree on that point. There's

00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.719
a lot of guys that, at least I'm copying, that

00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.599
you can make fights with like Dubois. I do see

00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:07.280
Dubois. I'm not saying the fights won't be fun.

00:41:07.539 --> 00:41:11.139
I'm saying the fights are, like, they're going

00:41:11.139 --> 00:41:13.199
to be fun because heavyweight's always fun. But

00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.099
also, like, we're not going to see progression

00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:22.050
in the division, if that makes sense. Like a

00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:26.230
next -gen somebody. Yeah, like we saw two guys

00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:32.469
rising up to the top. Yeah, we saw that. Who

00:41:32.469 --> 00:41:40.489
is it? I get Caballel. No erasure of Caballel.

00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:48.989
Yeah, but I mean... Would Usyk be? I don't know.

00:41:49.590 --> 00:41:52.429
Usyk wasn't even a natural heavyweight. I need

00:41:52.429 --> 00:41:58.349
to see the progress start to happen because anyone

00:41:58.349 --> 00:42:02.550
could beat anyone other than Usyk. The thing

00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:06.110
is, Usyk wasn't even part of this current generation

00:42:06.110 --> 00:42:11.690
heavyweight. The big three were Fury, AJ, Wilder.

00:42:11.750 --> 00:42:13.829
They didn't fight each other besides Wilder and

00:42:13.829 --> 00:42:17.239
Fury. But he took it over at the very end. Yeah,

00:42:17.260 --> 00:42:20.059
exactly. I mean, that shows you how shit the

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:24.480
generation was. But we still saw the progression.

00:42:25.059 --> 00:42:29.579
Like, we had AJ and Wilder, and then Fury came

00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:33.219
in. Like, we had progression building towards

00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:37.320
this. But the shit never happened, though. It

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.239
was, yeah, the generation of these three fighters.

00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:42.940
But it got solved. There was an ending, and there

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:46.639
was progress, and there was an ending. With Usyk.

00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:50.539
Usyk came and killed everybody. Yeah. Which is

00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:52.539
that still progress. That whole generation was

00:42:52.539 --> 00:42:58.280
bullshit. Well. I don't think the generation

00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.139
was bullshit. I think Usyk is just that good.

00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:04.619
Usyk is that good. I do think that kind of generation

00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:08.880
was bullshit. In my opinion. I'm just talking

00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:10.119
about how they just never fought each other.

00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:12.500
And then Usyk just came in and killed everybody.

00:43:12.619 --> 00:43:16.190
I think we only had like. There was only like

00:43:16.190 --> 00:43:18.349
two matchups that never really happened, which

00:43:18.349 --> 00:43:22.269
was AJ Fury and AJ Wilder. AJ Fury might be coming

00:43:22.269 --> 00:43:25.090
up. It's obviously like 10 years too late. Yeah,

00:43:25.090 --> 00:43:28.090
but in their primes, dude. Of course. Well, the

00:43:28.090 --> 00:43:31.369
thing is that AJ Fury never happening is Fury's

00:43:31.369 --> 00:43:36.010
fault after what he did post -Klitschko. Yeah.

00:43:36.750 --> 00:43:39.369
And then AJ Wilder, that could have been the

00:43:39.369 --> 00:43:43.590
biggest heavyweight fight in history. Oh, for

00:43:43.590 --> 00:43:49.019
sure. Yeah. But we still saw the progress when

00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:52.539
Fury came back and beat Wilder. Fury, Wilder,

00:43:52.820 --> 00:43:55.840
AJ, Usyk, those two, like, they faced off, and

00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.739
then, obviously, we got... Yeah, like, we still

00:43:57.739 --> 00:44:01.900
saw progress towards a guy for the generation.

00:44:03.260 --> 00:44:06.000
Well, the thing is, I don't... Okay, again, of

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.440
course, Usyk's in the heavyweight. I know that

00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.519
Usyk's heavy. I'm not stupid, but, like, Usyk

00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.920
wasn't in the heavyweight, in that generation

00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.190
of heavyweights, if that makes any sense. In

00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:18.469
my view, at least. He became like a disruptor,

00:44:18.489 --> 00:44:23.230
but he didn't come from that generation. It's

00:44:23.230 --> 00:44:26.809
like saying Evander Holyfield wasn't in the 90s

00:44:26.809 --> 00:44:30.050
generation of heavyweights. Well, he was in there

00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:32.909
for a while after Cruiserweight. So was Usyk.

00:44:33.829 --> 00:44:39.289
Usyk has been too. Not as long as Evander. Like

00:44:39.289 --> 00:44:41.869
when Evander became undisputed in, what was it,

00:44:41.889 --> 00:44:46.739
1990? Hold on. Let me look at, let me pull up

00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:50.039
the box rec. But he wasn't, like, Usyk's been

00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.000
in there since, like, let me see. He was a career

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.679
heavyweight. No, he was undisputed at cruiserweights.

00:44:58.179 --> 00:45:01.300
But he was in heavyweight longer than cruiser.

00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.940
Yeah, but when he became undisputed, he'd only

00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:09.940
been there for a year and a half, maybe. Usyk

00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:16.079
becoming undisputed? Yeah. Buster Douglas. Yeah,

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.480
and then 1988, late 1988 against James Tillis

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:25.320
was his heavyweight debut. I see Usyk as a cruiserweight

00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.940
coming up. I don't see him as a pure heavyweight

00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:33.500
from that generation because he didn't come from

00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:36.519
that generation heavyweights. You know what I

00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.280
mean? He was a disruptor. I don't think he's

00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.260
the same argument with Evander. He was a disruptor

00:45:41.260 --> 00:45:43.420
in that generation of heavyweights. Yeah, but

00:45:43.420 --> 00:45:49.639
Usyk spent five years in heavyweight and fought

00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.119
the best of his generation. I know, but it's

00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.800
like they are heavyweights. We agree on the same

00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.139
thing. Usyk's the man. Let me bring this back

00:45:59.139 --> 00:46:03.679
around to Richard Torres. He's not the man. He's

00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.099
not the man. He's not the man. It's unfortunate.

00:46:07.699 --> 00:46:10.900
I am going to continue cheering for him, supporting

00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:15.380
him in however, whatever ways I can. But it's

00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:17.460
just going to be for the fun. It'll be fun. It'll

00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:19.900
be fun, at least. He'll still be entertaining

00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:24.940
after the fact. Well, hopefully. Yeah. The thing

00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:26.440
is, I don't see him losing for a while, just

00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.840
purely on the fact that there's just not a lot

00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.599
of heavyweights that Top Ring would probably

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.579
put him in. Put him with? Is that Jay Anderson?

00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:37.369
Oh, they don't have a lot of options. Top Rank

00:46:37.369 --> 00:46:38.969
doesn't really want to work with Turkey anymore.

00:46:39.869 --> 00:46:42.670
They have a good relationship with Queensberry,

00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:45.630
but again, you don't want to feed him to Moses

00:46:45.630 --> 00:46:50.289
Itama just for fun. Yeah. I just don't see Top

00:46:50.289 --> 00:46:53.010
Rank letting him out of the stable much. No.

00:46:53.150 --> 00:46:54.989
He's going to fight Jared Anderson, and then

00:46:54.989 --> 00:46:56.809
they're going to wait for a world title to present

00:46:56.809 --> 00:47:00.849
itself once Usyk fully steps away. I got a feeling

00:47:00.849 --> 00:47:04.010
he could fight Parker. Yeah. Because that's the

00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:06.829
WBO, right? That is the top ranked title. Whatever

00:47:06.829 --> 00:47:10.389
Bob orders. Yep. There are other names around,

00:47:10.489 --> 00:47:14.409
too, that they could bring in. Murat Gassiev,

00:47:14.469 --> 00:47:18.730
who was part of Usyk's crop. It's a name, and

00:47:18.730 --> 00:47:20.469
they're similar in size. No, I'm saying Usyk

00:47:20.469 --> 00:47:24.670
because he could have been so good at heavyweight,

00:47:24.750 --> 00:47:28.650
but he's just so lazy. I think Usyk broke him.

00:47:30.250 --> 00:47:34.139
That's true. Give me Jermaine Franklin as a show.

00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:39.780
Bring him back into the mix. I'll get Cabello's

00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:42.699
actually similar size to Richard Torres. Yeah.

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:51.400
Cabello's so weird because pre -Turkey, I was

00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:56.820
just like, what are you doing, man? Like, it

00:47:56.820 --> 00:48:01.269
wasn't fun. He wasn't doing much, and it wasn't

00:48:01.269 --> 00:48:04.090
very fun to watch him. And then all of a sudden,

00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:09.550
he smokes Makhmadov, Sanchez, and Zhang. Yep.

00:48:09.670 --> 00:48:12.489
He's the modern Max Schmilling. I was like, what

00:48:12.489 --> 00:48:17.869
are you doing? Oh, come on. I'm sorry. I had

00:48:17.869 --> 00:48:19.510
to say it again. I see this every time we mention

00:48:19.510 --> 00:48:22.409
Cabello. He's the modern Max Schmilling. Honestly,

00:48:22.889 --> 00:48:24.909
the most satisfying one was still him beating

00:48:24.909 --> 00:48:28.059
Frank Sanchez. That was... That was fun. That

00:48:28.059 --> 00:48:29.659
was a good one. That was satisfying to watch.

00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:34.500
He was, like... Just got rid of him. Frank Sanchez

00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.559
has held on a pedestal for years, dude. He was.

00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:42.840
Yeah. I think they were expecting Frank to beat

00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.940
Caballel, too, right? Yeah. I thought it was

00:48:45.940 --> 00:48:49.260
a legit concern. Yeah, I did. But when you looked

00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.500
at Caballel's body of work up to, like, that

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:54.820
point, like, yeah, maybe Mac Mudab's a fraud,

00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:59.889
right? Like, other than Makhmadov pre -Sanchez,

00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.409
his best win was robbing Derek Chisora in 2017.

00:49:04.710 --> 00:49:08.010
Yeah. Which is, like, if you're robbing Derek

00:49:08.010 --> 00:49:14.289
Chisora in any year after, like, 2014, you've

00:49:14.289 --> 00:49:18.250
got it rough. You've got it. You've got it rough.

00:49:18.489 --> 00:49:24.449
You don't have it. You've got it rough. So, the

00:49:24.449 --> 00:49:27.829
fact that he just, like... Sanchez looked somewhat

00:49:27.829 --> 00:49:33.570
good. The thing is that I think Frank Sanchez,

00:49:33.650 --> 00:49:35.010
I think he could have done a little more in that

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:36.909
fight, which we could have talked about another

00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:38.550
time. But I think he could have done a little

00:49:38.550 --> 00:49:42.150
more, you know, pizzazz, if I guess the word.

00:49:43.090 --> 00:49:46.789
Yeah. To win over the judges. I mean, well, Sanchez

00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:53.150
just got cooked. Yeah. He came back. He had a

00:49:53.150 --> 00:49:59.179
comeback fight in February. On the 22nd, which

00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:03.380
is a busy day. So what about Frank Sanchez versus

00:50:03.380 --> 00:50:09.079
Richard Torres? Depends on which Frank shows

00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.340
up. If it's the one who actually wants to engage,

00:50:11.739 --> 00:50:16.519
it'll be fun. If not, I don't think Torres has

00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.969
the footwork. Unless, like, top -ranked breaks

00:50:19.969 --> 00:50:22.929
Sanchez's legs. Well, the last time when he fought

00:50:22.929 --> 00:50:26.530
Caballel, his knees were not cooperating. His

00:50:26.530 --> 00:50:29.769
knees were cooked, yeah. They were going different

00:50:29.769 --> 00:50:36.090
directions, absolutely. So, just an idea. But

00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:40.590
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we have two cards, one of which I don't care

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.579
about. You want to guess which one it is between

00:53:07.579 --> 00:53:12.880
Matchroom and the UK or Golden Boy? Yeah. It's

00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:18.199
the... Don Smith. Right. So this is headlined

00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:22.360
by Dalton Smith and Matthew Germain. There's

00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.500
a couple of other... Josh Padley making his Matchroom...

00:53:27.050 --> 00:53:29.590
As a contract fighter making his debut. Listen,

00:53:29.670 --> 00:53:32.849
I need to see Josh Warrington die. That's all.

00:53:33.030 --> 00:53:37.590
Yeah, he's fighting. It won't happen. Josh Padley's

00:53:37.590 --> 00:53:41.130
fighting Marko Chetanovic and Josh Warrington.

00:53:43.389 --> 00:53:48.510
Asad Asif Khan. Asad, bro, what do you need?

00:53:48.829 --> 00:53:53.469
Tell me. How can I help? Yeah, like I need Warrington

00:53:53.469 --> 00:53:58.769
gone. Warrington is a cockroach. no no survive

00:53:58.769 --> 00:54:02.610
a nuclear holocaust like i'm serious everything

00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:05.750
keeps losing and then he keeps showing up again

00:54:05.750 --> 00:54:08.309
and like it's gonna be this fight and it's gonna

00:54:08.309 --> 00:54:11.409
be this fight and then a world title shot it's

00:54:11.409 --> 00:54:17.369
british kambosis oh gross i think that works

00:54:17.369 --> 00:54:21.409
no but no no hey give kambosa some respect key

00:54:21.409 --> 00:54:25.030
detail female fair and square back in the day

00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:31.719
Like, man, like, I just, I don't, like, it's

00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.079
just horrible. Like, every single time you watch

00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.099
a Warrington fight, he just uses the fucking,

00:54:38.260 --> 00:54:41.380
he just headbutts the other guy to death. Yeah.

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.420
He's a prick. I'm sure he does. Then he goes

00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:48.780
on social media and cries about how the referee

00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:53.599
robs him when he gets stopped. Twice he's been

00:54:53.599 --> 00:55:01.760
stopped. Yeah. Honestly, the first one was so

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:07.400
hilarious to Mauricio Lara. Yeah, it was good.

00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:14.820
It's COVID. Literally, if Warrington falls down

00:55:14.820 --> 00:55:21.599
and no one can hear it, did it happen? No one

00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:27.019
could hear him. That one was beautiful. Otherwise,

00:55:27.139 --> 00:55:30.599
like, I need, I just, I need him gone, man. Asada

00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:37.760
Sif Khan, bro. Take my energy. And that's, like,

00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.800
that's the limit of my caring. Dalton Smith's

00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.679
alright, you know, so I'm a sicko. I'm gonna

00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:48.440
be watching. That doesn't mean that I'm, like,

00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.920
really excited about it. You must be a really

00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.849
big sicko. I am. Yeah, I was going to say, you're

00:55:54.849 --> 00:55:57.190
watching him fight a guy who, like, Yves Ulysses

00:55:57.190 --> 00:56:00.530
Jr. put out the pasture. I wasn't going to say

00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:01.909
that. I was going to say, you must be a really

00:56:01.909 --> 00:56:04.130
big sicko to ignore, to think this is the worst

00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:07.909
card, because Josh Padley's on here. Oh, good

00:56:07.909 --> 00:56:09.690
point. He's the king. Yeah, that's a good point.

00:56:10.349 --> 00:56:16.349
The boxer card is not much better. Also on the

00:56:16.349 --> 00:56:18.789
19th, this is the one that I was saying is better.

00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:23.280
I thought this was great. Gabby Fandora. headlining

00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.739
probably on well on this card though yeah let's

00:56:26.739 --> 00:56:29.539
let me uh let's get back to the let's get back

00:56:29.539 --> 00:56:33.280
on the boxing yeah yeah at the front wave arena

00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:37.960
in oceanside california uh this i've looked this

00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.980
place up front wave arena is on hero drive what

00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:45.039
the fuck yeah uh but there's a lot of shit on

00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.389
here that i don't really care about so Don't

00:56:48.389 --> 00:56:52.010
get all upset. Don't get upset, British people,

00:56:52.210 --> 00:56:53.829
because I don't really give a shit about this

00:56:53.829 --> 00:56:56.190
one either. I'm going to just list off the stuff

00:56:56.190 --> 00:56:59.289
that I do care about. And it's only three of

00:56:59.289 --> 00:57:03.489
them. Oleksandr Vosdik versus Anthony Holloway.

00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:06.690
Eight rounder. Man, Vosdik, how are you going

00:57:06.690 --> 00:57:12.150
to go from fighting Benavidez to this? Is he

00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:15.230
still a goal boy now? I think he might be, but

00:57:15.230 --> 00:57:19.639
hey, man, if you're getting paid, Congrats. Keep

00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.079
it going as long as you can. He doesn't even

00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:27.440
look that bad. No, he doesn't. He's still in

00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:32.980
there. Yeah. Still in there. It's a good fight

00:57:32.980 --> 00:57:37.940
for Morel, in my opinion. Oof. Yeah. I honestly

00:57:37.940 --> 00:57:42.320
think he stops Vostok. Even though Benavidez

00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.420
couldn't, I think Morel can. Yeah. I disagree

00:57:46.420 --> 00:57:49.159
with that. Well, it depends on how Morel improves

00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.659
because he just needs a bit more precision and

00:57:52.659 --> 00:57:55.679
fine -tuning to his game. Let's see how his power

00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:01.500
carried over to 175. Enough to wobble Benavidez.

00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:04.719
True that. Enough to wobble Benavidez, yeah.

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:11.480
You're right. Moving up. Charles Conwell versus

00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:16.989
Jorge Garcia Perez. Alex, you're a bit of a Conwell

00:58:16.989 --> 00:58:20.309
fan, aren't you? A little bit. A little bit.

00:58:21.650 --> 00:58:25.989
I should look into him more. I don't look at

00:58:25.989 --> 00:58:28.329
him as much as I watch someone like Abdul Mason.

00:58:28.929 --> 00:58:30.750
But he's still on my radar. You know what I mean?

00:58:30.849 --> 00:58:34.610
Right. I need him in the mix at 154 at this point.

00:58:34.809 --> 00:58:37.530
Seriously. He does need to. He needs to step

00:58:37.530 --> 00:58:41.889
it up. He's got the goods to step up. But the

00:58:41.889 --> 00:58:44.780
problem is he's a golden boy. Right. That's one

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:46.480
of his biggest issues, that he's with Goldenboy.

00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.239
I was surprised to hear he was with Goldenboy,

00:58:49.340 --> 00:58:55.400
seeing as how he's not... He was with Matchroom,

00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:57.480
and then he killed that guy and took a while

00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.599
off, and then he came back with Goldenboy. That's

00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.019
what I was saying. I thought he was still at

00:59:02.019 --> 00:59:05.280
Matchroom. But seeing as how he's with Goldenboy,

00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:07.760
that's going to kill his career, in my opinion.

00:59:09.579 --> 00:59:17.219
Who knows? If he goes the turkey route. I mean,

00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:19.340
if he goes the turkey route, yeah. But, I mean,

00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:20.679
the only guy he could really get an in -house

00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:23.019
fight with is obviously going to be Virgil. The

00:59:23.019 --> 00:59:26.500
other guys are PBC fighters. You know? They're

00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:29.280
not going to put him in with Virgil. Fuck no.

00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:31.280
They would never. Because that kills their money.

00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.420
Right. I think with in -house fights, they don't

00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:35.599
want to destroy their own money. You know what

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.139
I mean? Moving up. It's the last one. Gabriela

00:59:39.139 --> 00:59:41.679
Fandora, undisputed flyweight champion versus

00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:47.619
top contender Marilyn Badillo Amaya. I hope Gabby

00:59:47.619 --> 00:59:53.539
wins. I'm very hopeful. I'm very certain that

00:59:53.539 --> 00:59:57.460
she's going to win. Gabby's a damn good fighter.

00:59:57.860 --> 01:00:01.900
She's huge. For flyweight, she's fucking really

01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:08.039
tall. She's 5 '9 of flyweight. also for the for

01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.780
the women's as well he's really talented seriously

01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:14.039
she's really good like she's up there i think

01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:18.860
with clarissa type skill you know i mean she's

01:00:18.860 --> 01:00:21.699
on the road to establishing herself in the same

01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:26.340
in the same way yeah and i i actually i'm not

01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:28.900
to sound like like funny and be like misogynistic

01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:31.639
it's not it's actually not supposed to be misogynistic

01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.099
but gabby is like the first time in a while i

01:00:34.099 --> 01:00:37.030
was like really really hyped up or like a female

01:00:37.030 --> 01:00:40.050
fighter because the last time i was like like

01:00:40.050 --> 01:00:42.949
watching a female fighter was like amanda serrano

01:00:42.949 --> 01:00:44.750
someone like that you know i mean right but it's

01:00:44.750 --> 01:00:47.510
been a while since i've like had a female fighter

01:00:47.510 --> 01:00:51.449
on my radar yeah exactly hyped i say i actually

01:00:51.449 --> 01:00:55.750
believe in carolyn dubois a fair bit she's good

01:00:55.750 --> 01:01:01.349
she's good yeah carolyn dubois as well i'm really

01:01:01.349 --> 01:01:04.269
hyped about gabriella though yeah just really

01:01:04.269 --> 01:01:08.179
humble too Which I like. Oh, yeah, she's just...

01:01:08.179 --> 01:01:11.199
Well, it runs in the family, I guess. Pandora's

01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:16.780
also, I guess, weird that way. She's good, you

01:01:16.780 --> 01:01:19.360
know? She's funny. I've talked to her a few times.

01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:25.260
She's fun. Really? Yeah. After fights. You have

01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:28.239
talked to Gabby, then? I have. I don't have her

01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:29.619
fucking phone number or anything. It was just

01:01:29.619 --> 01:01:33.539
in a professional context. You could have...

01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:36.360
Could have tried. No, you're not getting the

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.219
hookup in a professional context. No. Yeah, I

01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:44.860
couldn't. In a professional context. Where do

01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:51.340
you think does Gabby land top 10 skill for skill?

01:01:53.619 --> 01:01:56.139
Skill for skill, Josh, are you familiar with

01:01:56.139 --> 01:02:00.059
it? It's a thing I made up. It's a gender neutral

01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:07.789
pound for pound. Fuck, that's a cool concept.

01:02:07.929 --> 01:02:09.869
I gotta think of that. I think she could make

01:02:09.869 --> 01:02:13.730
top 10 to 15, but I don't think she cracks the

01:02:13.730 --> 01:02:17.409
top 10. No, the top 10, it's... That's tough.

01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:21.210
The gap presents itself just on ruleset and history.

01:02:22.230 --> 01:02:26.590
Yeah. Of top 15 of all time? No, just... No,

01:02:26.590 --> 01:02:29.510
presently. Yeah, all time, no. All time, fuck

01:02:29.510 --> 01:02:33.829
no. The all time discussion is for when we have

01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:39.800
a dead week. You know what? I do think she has

01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.000
potential. I'm not even joking. She has a lot

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.760
of potential. And I think she can get there.

01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:49.340
Yeah. She makes the top 20. Skill for skill.

01:02:49.539 --> 01:02:53.340
Yeah, skill for skill right now. Top 20. You

01:02:53.340 --> 01:02:57.320
got the goods, Gabriela. You got the goods. I

01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.079
would say top 10. Top 10? That's what I was asking.

01:03:01.300 --> 01:03:04.710
Because I said like 10 to 15. Like I'll agree

01:03:04.710 --> 01:03:07.809
10 to 15, but I need to make like a formal list

01:03:07.809 --> 01:03:11.429
being like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:11.429 --> 01:03:15.030
Josh is playing devil's advocate. I think that

01:03:15.030 --> 01:03:17.630
was good, dude. She's really, she is very talented.

01:03:17.769 --> 01:03:19.969
So I would put her, I would rate her highly amongst

01:03:19.969 --> 01:03:22.889
all the women in boxing. Yeah. Oh, so yeah. Isn't

01:03:22.889 --> 01:03:26.550
she like the first undisputed? Um, she's the

01:03:26.550 --> 01:03:30.670
youngest undisputed champion ever. Oh yeah. Yeah.

01:03:30.750 --> 01:03:33.219
Yeah. That was my first time disputed from Coachella

01:03:33.219 --> 01:03:39.820
for the women's bet. Anything more for the Golden

01:03:39.820 --> 01:03:46.239
Boy card? Hell nah. All right. Last thing before

01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.800
we get the hell out of here. And least. Yes,

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:55.699
last but also least. On Sunday, April 20th, if

01:03:55.699 --> 01:03:58.780
you have weed, do that instead. You'll probably

01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:02.079
have more fun. Actually, have weed and watch

01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:05.900
the main event. Shit. The co -main is actually

01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:09.420
pretty fun, too. That, too. Well, no, it isn't.

01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:13.860
Today is so old. I know. All right, let's get

01:04:13.860 --> 01:04:17.340
into it. This is Boxer. If you're in the US,

01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.099
it's going to be on Peacock streaming service.

01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.380
And then if you're elsewhere, it'll be on Sky

01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:28.199
or Sky Sports, I think. But in the UK, Ben Whittaker.

01:04:28.889 --> 01:04:32.269
He's making his return. I know you're just real

01:04:32.269 --> 01:04:36.550
fucking miffed that he's still doing it. Maybe

01:04:36.550 --> 01:04:38.730
you are. I don't know. I'm putting words in your

01:04:38.730 --> 01:04:43.849
mouth. He's rematching the dude that he had the

01:04:43.849 --> 01:04:46.710
draw with. He fell out of the ring or something

01:04:46.710 --> 01:04:48.869
and then he was all... That was if he faked his

01:04:48.869 --> 01:04:51.289
injury. That was a fake injury. Run the tape.

01:04:52.969 --> 01:04:56.230
He was getting cooked. Yeah, he was in trouble.

01:04:56.849 --> 01:04:59.780
I hope he gets cooked again. The co -main that

01:04:59.780 --> 01:05:02.739
I mentioned would be kind of fun is Frazier Clark.

01:05:02.980 --> 01:05:07.019
He's a decent -ish British -level heavyweight.

01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:11.699
Yeah, British. I did have to add that qualifier.

01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:15.139
Most known for having a dent put in his head

01:05:15.139 --> 01:05:20.420
by Fabio Wardley. And his opponent, Ebenezer

01:05:20.420 --> 01:05:25.139
Teta is how they pronounce it. Yeah. It's this

01:05:25.139 --> 01:05:32.500
very old man. You can find YouTube videos of

01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:36.179
him. You can see how he amassed his professional

01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:40.360
record, 23 and 2. You can see because there's

01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:44.380
just really poor quality videos. They set up

01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:46.820
in the middle of a park and they put a really

01:05:46.820 --> 01:05:50.179
dingy ring together. And we're talking like jumping,

01:05:50.179 --> 01:05:53.780
skipping ropes as the ropes. Yeah. Or actual

01:05:53.780 --> 01:06:00.039
like cargo ship fucking ropes. It's unfortunate.

01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.840
I can't talk shit. No, I'm not talking shit.

01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.139
This is just what it is. It's interesting. It's

01:06:06.139 --> 01:06:07.719
an interesting state of affairs that they got

01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.639
going on in his corner of Africa. That's like

01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.800
Street Beats. Nah, Street Beats has the whole

01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:21.940
hexagon. They're up in the budget recently. It's

01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.079
probably a higher budget than this fight. Oh,

01:06:24.539 --> 01:06:28.570
fuck yeah, dude. It's Boxer. Of course. Teta

01:06:28.570 --> 01:06:33.269
getting paid in a goat. He's going to get three

01:06:33.269 --> 01:06:39.250
polos that have various IT companies that he

01:06:39.250 --> 01:06:41.969
has nothing to do with, but he's going to get

01:06:41.969 --> 01:06:45.449
those IT guy polos. That's part of his payout.

01:06:46.909 --> 01:06:50.469
Man, if Frazier Clark doesn't win this, that's

01:06:50.469 --> 01:06:53.769
a tough one. That's such a tough road back. It

01:06:53.769 --> 01:06:59.469
might be time to consider coaching instead. Might

01:06:59.469 --> 01:07:01.969
be time for a David Allen rematch if you lose

01:07:01.969 --> 01:07:08.050
to Ebenezer Tete. That'd be sad. What do you

01:07:08.050 --> 01:07:10.110
mean? The White Rhino is only... What was the

01:07:10.110 --> 01:07:12.929
thing they said in, like, 2018? He's only three

01:07:12.929 --> 01:07:18.769
fights away from AJ? In when? When he beat...

01:07:20.179 --> 01:07:24.460
Lucas Brown. I think Eddie Hearn was like, he's

01:07:24.460 --> 01:07:26.920
maybe three fights away from AJ, and then AJ

01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.840
lost to Andy Ruiz. And I'm like, yeah, he's three

01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:32.940
losses away from AJ fighting him. David Allen

01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:37.280
lost to Tony Yoka. How did I not know this? He

01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.179
lost to David Price in the year of our Lord 2019.

01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.780
I remember that. I remember because Robbie was

01:07:43.780 --> 01:07:49.309
a big fan of Cool as Ice Price. I was so sad

01:07:49.309 --> 01:07:52.449
to see it. I needed the meme to just go a little

01:07:52.449 --> 01:07:57.550
bit farther. Brad doesn't like it like that,

01:07:57.550 --> 01:07:59.989
though. If you're ever feeling, if you're ever

01:07:59.989 --> 01:08:04.309
bored, there's no boxing on, look up his fight

01:08:04.309 --> 01:08:09.150
with Ariel Esteban Bracamonte and just get stoned

01:08:09.150 --> 01:08:13.030
and watch it. Bracamonte is just gigantic. Argentine,

01:08:13.030 --> 01:08:15.730
isn't he? Argentinian. Yeah, but they just, like,

01:08:15.789 --> 01:08:18.890
for six rounds, they just went balls to the wall.

01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:26.210
No defense, no movement. Party. They just wailed

01:08:26.210 --> 01:08:32.590
on each other. And finally, the rematch, Ben

01:08:32.590 --> 01:08:35.170
Whitaker versus Liam Cameron. We already laid

01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:39.050
out the foundation of it. Fucking fake the injury.

01:08:39.609 --> 01:08:42.149
to get out of a fight he was very clearly losing,

01:08:42.350 --> 01:08:47.789
then they're going to rematch. So Ben Whittaker,

01:08:48.010 --> 01:08:51.909
he's my guilty pleasure. The way his dancing

01:08:51.909 --> 01:08:57.369
triggers the libs of boxing, it just, it does

01:08:57.369 --> 01:09:00.810
it for me. The libs are your co -hosts, but yeah.

01:09:01.569 --> 01:09:05.229
It's the phrase. It triggers people. The boxing

01:09:05.229 --> 01:09:07.489
fans get all up in their feelings about Ben Whittaker.

01:09:07.729 --> 01:09:10.390
I get in my feelings about him. He's going to

01:09:10.390 --> 01:09:13.329
get better. I was so happy watching him get fraud

01:09:13.329 --> 01:09:17.850
checked at the Olympics. I've been hate watching

01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:21.069
since the Olympics. That's how much you know

01:09:21.069 --> 01:09:25.010
he's a fucking hater. The hate watch is crazy.

01:09:26.779 --> 01:09:29.600
That is a level of sicko I have yet to reach.

01:09:30.420 --> 01:09:33.460
Yeah, that's crazy. If you're more sick than

01:09:33.460 --> 01:09:37.840
fucking Leo, you're sick. Listen, listen, listen.

01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.100
I'm going to be smoking the pack this weekend.

01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:42.739
Well, yeah, we'll see. I'm going to be smoking

01:09:42.739 --> 01:09:45.220
the pack at the end of the day. We'll see what

01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:46.800
happens with Ben Whitaker. I hope he loses, though.

01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:53.159
I do hope he loses, but for the memes, I would

01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:57.329
like for him to win. What if he gets, like, a

01:09:57.329 --> 01:09:59.229
fight with Benavidez, dude? He's not that. No,

01:09:59.229 --> 01:10:02.250
no, no. Fuck no. No, no, no. Anthony Yard. Give

01:10:02.250 --> 01:10:04.810
him Anthony Yard because Anthony Yard is actually,

01:10:04.909 --> 01:10:09.069
like, that fight would be so bad in, like, the

01:10:09.069 --> 01:10:14.109
best way. Maybe more. Ben Whitaker just jabs

01:10:14.109 --> 01:10:17.409
Anthony Yard's non -existent defense in his face

01:10:17.409 --> 01:10:20.449
until Yard, like, just beats the shit out of

01:10:20.449 --> 01:10:23.630
them. Ah, yeah. I want to see Ben Whitaker lose.

01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:29.260
Do I want him to win to lose more embarrassingly

01:10:29.260 --> 01:10:32.180
another day? Or do I want him to lose embarrassingly

01:10:32.180 --> 01:10:35.699
now? Both things can be true at the same time.

01:10:36.180 --> 01:10:40.520
True. I want him to get better at it. You know

01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:44.439
what puts the theme? Oh, my God. Want something

01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:48.479
like that. Give me that. Just getting cooked.

01:10:48.619 --> 01:10:51.260
I just need him to get cooked. Give me that Spence

01:10:51.260 --> 01:10:55.659
Crawford beatdown. Oh, Jesus. Don't hurt the

01:10:55.659 --> 01:10:59.279
man. I need him to get cooked like that. Yeah,

01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.520
I mean, we're just wishing for his death at this

01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:05.340
point. It's not even cool. Let me do this real

01:11:05.340 --> 01:11:11.119
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.net. Last thing. Last words on Boxer. How excited

01:12:28.390 --> 01:12:30.729
are you for Ben Whitaker to get back into dancing

01:12:30.729 --> 01:12:34.989
spirit form? I'm not that excited. I'm just.

01:12:36.409 --> 01:12:42.960
I am. As a boxing fan, I just can't. I'm a sicko,

01:12:42.979 --> 01:12:46.779
but even this is a little too much. We need him

01:12:46.779 --> 01:12:50.460
gone. I should have saved that, what I just said,

01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:53.920
for this. We're heading into, well, it's Matchroom.

01:12:54.140 --> 01:12:57.420
We got the Matchroom card. Dalton Smith versus

01:12:57.420 --> 01:13:02.159
Jermaine. We got the Golden Boy card. Gabby Fundora.

01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.800
Skill for skill. Level talent. And then Ben Whittaker.

01:13:07.220 --> 01:13:10.529
That's the weekend we got. in boxing. With that

01:13:10.529 --> 01:13:15.609
in mind, parting words. Pro box good. Where's

01:13:15.609 --> 01:13:19.590
pro box? Pro box good. Where's pro box? Where's

01:13:19.590 --> 01:13:24.390
pro box? Is it okay? I hope. Please don't. Please

01:13:24.390 --> 01:13:27.550
call me pro box if something's wrong. I want

01:13:27.550 --> 01:13:32.130
to help. I want to keep you healthy. Alex, what

01:13:32.130 --> 01:13:36.369
do you got? Let's go Gabby Fandora and let's

01:13:36.369 --> 01:13:39.229
go Charles Conwell. See you next week. I love

01:13:39.229 --> 01:13:42.210
you guys. All right. Listeners. That's it for

01:13:42.210 --> 01:13:44.550
this edition. We will indeed catch you next time.

01:13:59.510 --> 01:14:02.229
Welcome to the fucking show. All right. Just

01:14:02.229 --> 01:14:04.390
a quick blurb just so you can get back to what

01:14:04.390 --> 01:14:10.619
you were doing. Why would a boxing fan, let's

01:14:10.619 --> 01:14:14.659
assume they're like a purist or some shit, why

01:14:14.659 --> 01:14:17.460
would they want to watch MMA? Why would they

01:14:17.460 --> 01:14:20.560
want to listen to an MMA show? I'm going to come

01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.199
at this from sort of like a primal level. So

01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:28.840
I will admit there are some very unique and stark

01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.279
differences between MMA and boxing. And it seems

01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.920
like one of the main things that... uh keeps

01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:38.539
boxing fans away from mma is the grappling aspect

01:14:38.539 --> 01:14:42.239
and yes sometimes it can be you know a lay and

01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:46.279
pray uh type of fight and it can get old but

01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:50.579
man like it's just instinctual man some of these

01:14:50.579 --> 01:14:54.439
people the way they find an mma is just brutal

01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:55.920
and i feel like that's what it comes down to

01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.119
when it comes to being a combat fan a combat

01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:02.579
sports fan um i mean we saw it just recently

01:15:04.550 --> 01:15:08.390
Mauricio Rufi versus Bobby Green spinning back

01:15:08.390 --> 01:15:13.789
or spinning a wheel kick. Man, it's I mean, they

01:15:13.789 --> 01:15:16.050
went viral and it's something that everyone can

01:15:16.050 --> 01:15:19.289
appreciate, even boxing fans. I know if you have

01:15:19.289 --> 01:15:23.029
a few friends that are boxing fans who I sent

01:15:23.029 --> 01:15:26.869
him that clip. I mean, and they they were amazed

01:15:26.869 --> 01:15:28.590
and that, you know, they won't even tell me that

01:15:28.590 --> 01:15:30.229
they wish they would have seen it live because.

01:15:31.420 --> 01:15:34.800
Seeing that type of stuff live just elicits,

01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:38.439
like, a euphoric feeling that, you know, you

01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:40.239
can't get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too,

01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.479
whenever you see, like, an amazing fight. But

01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:47.479
I just got to say, like, in MMA, you get those

01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.159
type of fights as well, just in a different type.

01:15:50.859 --> 01:15:53.720
It's different, but sort of the same. It's sort

01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.319
of weird how I describe it. But it's different,

01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:58.720
but the same. It comes down to that same, like,

01:15:58.739 --> 01:16:01.710
carnal or primal instinct. of just like fights

01:16:01.710 --> 01:16:07.149
yeah i i always think like the biggest the easiest

01:16:07.149 --> 01:16:10.210
transition that i always recommend i say this

01:16:10.210 --> 01:16:14.489
all the time on ultimate fucking casuals is if

01:16:14.489 --> 01:16:17.149
you're if you're not too keen on the grappling

01:16:17.149 --> 01:16:21.810
muay thai and kickboxing are exactly where you

01:16:21.810 --> 01:16:24.569
want to start like you start working on the kicks

01:16:24.569 --> 01:16:28.200
the elbows the knees that's all that stuff And

01:16:28.200 --> 01:16:31.479
you can come to learn to appreciate grappling.

01:16:31.859 --> 01:16:35.500
I never thought I would. And here I am. Yeah.

01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.640
Like I said, some of it is very boring. Some

01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:40.500
of the grappling. It depends on the fighters.

01:16:40.579 --> 01:16:42.939
But sometimes, man. There's boring boxing fights

01:16:42.939 --> 01:16:45.920
all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, you're true.

01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.020
I mean, you're right. But man, some of these

01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:50.800
grapplers, man. These scrambles that they do.

01:16:51.579 --> 01:16:55.039
It is like pretty crazy just to see it. Like,

01:16:55.060 --> 01:16:56.460
you know, rolling around the floor. I mean, you

01:16:56.460 --> 01:16:58.569
can see. The stuff that they're doing in between.

01:16:58.590 --> 01:17:00.170
And the scrambles. I mean it's sort of crazy.

01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:03.090
Flipping someone over. The trips. I mean it's.

01:17:03.630 --> 01:17:05.569
It can be fun. But yeah you're right. The easiest

01:17:05.569 --> 01:17:07.609
transition is definitely. Start out with Muay

01:17:07.609 --> 01:17:10.630
Thai. Kickboxing. And you know slowly. Work your

01:17:10.630 --> 01:17:13.510
way into MMA. And you know. This is the thing

01:17:13.510 --> 01:17:17.130
about. The ultimate fucking casuals. We will

01:17:17.130 --> 01:17:18.930
let you know which fights are going to be good.

01:17:20.050 --> 01:17:22.430
Which ones you know. If you're not too in tune

01:17:22.430 --> 01:17:26.100
with the grappling. We can get maybe. a little

01:17:26.100 --> 01:17:30.119
tag or a little asterisk on certain fights saying,

01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:32.859
like, this is a boxing purist type of fight.

01:17:32.979 --> 01:17:36.220
Yeah. You can watch this and enjoy this. Like,

01:17:36.300 --> 01:17:39.680
we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try. Like,

01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.239
I came into this. The whole show was started

01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:45.340
with me. I didn't know shit about MMA. I'd never

01:17:45.340 --> 01:17:48.579
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my

01:17:48.579 --> 01:17:51.319
entire life. And I came into this with nothing.

01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:54.140
And yeah, that's where we're at now is like we're

01:17:54.140 --> 01:17:57.699
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to

01:17:57.699 --> 01:18:00.760
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so

01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:04.220
that people know like this for boxing fans to

01:18:04.220 --> 01:18:07.180
know this is what this is where you can start.

01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:11.739
All right. Well, yeah, that was about it. I really

01:18:11.739 --> 01:18:14.899
appreciate your time. Thanks, Isaac, for jumping

01:18:14.899 --> 01:18:17.479
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.