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me know. The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit.
B -Side. B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a
B -Side. The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side.
That B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing
Podcast. Are we ready? Yeah. Well, well, well.
Ultimate. fucking casuals what is wrong with
me is another podcast by the lbx media thank
you yes yes uh boxing b -sides we're back up
in your fucking ears um this is not the ultimate
effing casuals which you should listen to also
but not right now because you're listening to
this joined once again by shanada you're back
i'm back back up on special guest appearance
And the one and only. We're here, Alex. All right.
Oh. I think you can do a longer intro for Shanada.
I don't know if they're Canadian or not. I always
get confused with music. Is Alexis on Fire a
band that other people know? I know them. Oh,
yeah. Yeah, okay, okay. Canada has the... I think
it's... 40 % of our music has to be Canadian
somehow. On the radio? Yeah. So there's a lot
of bands that I think are very popular because
I hear them all the time and no one's ever heard
of them. Actually, Alexis on Fire is... Maybe
you can disagree with me, but the Hispanic community,
they're kind of big. Thanks. I just found out
that Marianna's Trench is not very famous. That's
actually... I like Marianas Trench. Or I used
to. They're a little too... Oh, they're pop.
Okay, yeah, I don't know who they are. Never
mind. They're not really... They're pop, but,
like, their big hit song was Slap You Like a
Bitch and You Take It Like a Whore. So they're
not, like, happy pop. They're kind of angry pop.
Like, I don't get any pop. Yeah. Alexis on fire.
Post -hardcore. It's... Yeah. i'm familiar with
them i always thought it was because it's all
one word i always thought it was alex is on fire
well that's the debate right is it they did that
on purpose yeah so nobody knows if their name
is alex and they're on fire or if alexis is on
fire yeah i hope i'm not on fire yeah well Boxing
B -sides. Let's extend the olive branch since
I mentioned the ultimate F in casuals. UFC 314
is coming up. One fight actually at the top of
the bill got taken off, but I'll just skip over
it. Alexander Volkanovsky, the living legend
versus Diego Lopez, the fucking uprising. I'm
not going to say superstar or anything yet, but
he's making his waves. That's for the featherweight
title. Michael Chandler is fighting Patty Pimblitt.
It's just the stupidest name I've ever heard.
Patty Pimblitt. Johnny Pichik. I love Patty.
Patty the Batty Pimblitt. His stupid fucking
bowl haircut. Yep. It's the only reason I know
him. That and the viral video where his dog had
diarrhea on some lady's lawn. Uh -huh. You haven't
seen that? I have not. Oh, how do you guys not
know this? I'll have to go find it. He was walking
his dog, and some lady's ring camera caught it.
And he's walking his dog, and he goes and, like,
rings her doorbell. And she's like, is that fucking
Patty the Batty? And he's like, my dog just took
a real sloppy shit on your lawn, and I tried
to pick it up, but I can't. Like, do you have
some water or something I could pour on it? He's
like, I tried. And the lady's like, what the
fuck is happening? Is that Patty the Batty? Yeah,
my dog just took a real sloppy shit on your vlog.
He actually said that word for word, bar for
bar? Pretty close. Yeah. In their stupid accents
because they live wherever they live. It's a
hilarious video. You guys need to find it. Try
to do the accent, Shanada. No. No. I'm not going
to do that. That's a hate crime. That was funny.
Another interesting character, Bryce Mitchell
versus John Silva. John Silva is actually really
entertaining to watch. He avoids grappling as
much as he can. And so does Bryce Mitchell. So
this should be moderately entertaining. And Yair
Rodriguez versus Patricio Pitbull. Pitbull is
making his... debut he's coming off of a just
recently released by pfl slash bellator so here
he is and uh that's it let's let's get into some
fucking boxing here you know there's there's
another pitbull in boxing oh yeah mma pants out
there yeah they should check out isaac is he
isaac or isaac he must be isaac isaac Probably.
You suck. Here's just one to mention really quickly.
Pat Brown, an Olympian from the UK, makes his
debut at Cruiserweight, gets a stoppage in four
over Federico Grandone from Argentina. He's a
late replacement as well, like a week maybe.
Take notes, George Cambosos, because this is
how you're supposed to do it. We're just going
to shit on Cambo for the rest of his life. Forever.
Anytime. Until anytime there's a late replacement
of like a week or less and they get stopped in
like the first third of the fight, it'll be a
Cambosos moment. Last one on this card I wanted
to mention was Cameron Vuong. He stops Jordan
Flynn in seven. I've been mentioning Cameron
Vuong for I don't know how long now, but I'm
going to keep doing it. I like Cameron Vuong.
He's fun. Moving to the 29th. Top rank in Las
Vegas at the Fontainebleau. I'm going to go from
the bottom up. There's a whole bunch of other
shit that happened on this card that I don't
really care about. So from the bottom up, Emiliano
Vargas, TKO2 over Giovanni Gonzalez. Party. Bruce,
go ahead. I want to also say, as I said last
week, I also think Emiliano is going to go very
far in his career. And I'm calling it right now.
I think he's going to be... A future title holder
in the division. Wow. At 140? That's a bold statement.
That is. I rank him very highly. I think he has
the potential to become a potential great, potentially
elite, in fact, in the coming division in the
future. Well, you heard it here first. Yeah,
you did. He shows a lot of promise. He shows
a lot of promise. Of all his brothers, he does
show the most. For sure. And he's the youngest.
He's, I think, 20, right? Yeah, he's 20. Yeah,
he's 20. He's going to do well. As long as Top
Ring builds him up properly, he's going to do
well. Seem to be doing a good job so far. Bruce
Carrington, TKO3 over Enrique Vivas. Shit wasn't
even close. Yeah, I mean, Shushu looked good
this time. Yeah, he did. I don't really like
him, but he did look good. Got it done quick,
the way he's supposed to. He talked a whole lot
of shit in the post -fight interview. Oh, that's
right. He called out fucking everybody. Man.
Well, seems like he can back it up so far. So
far. So far. Yeah, I don't know if that's going
to hold forever. Yeah. One of the things that
always goes down is as you go up, the chin resistance
goes up, defenses get better. You're not going
to have fucking Vivas in front of you every time.
Exactly. Hopefully Shushu doesn't get turned
into Shushi. Excellent. Nice. You know what else
was nice? Brian Norman Jr. TKO3 over Derek Cuevas.
Brian Norman better than we expected? Should
we not make too much out of this considering
it was just a WBO mandatory? I didn't expect
him to finish it that fast. Yeah. At all. He
looked pretty good. He looked exceptionally good.
He looked a lot better than... My previous estimations
of him. I think that the conversation is turning
from Boots is going to destroy him to can Boots
knock him out? Which is, you know, it's kind
of a step up, you know, from people saying, oh,
he sucks too. Oh, well, you might be a formidable
opponent. True. Which I believe I think on my
first instance on this podcast, I did kind of,
I did say that, huh? I did say that right, Leo,
remember? What, about Norman? Yeah, about Norman.
Yes. Yeah. I'm not high on Norman. I'm not too,
too high, but I still think he's a dangerous
fighter. You know? He's super fast. We'll see.
He's got really fast hands. Yeah. I was impressed
with him this fight. Yeah. Like, I don't know
if this means he's going to be a world beater
or anything, but he impressed me. How does he
do against Barrios? Eat him. You think so? Yeah,
Barrios is not that... I don't think Barrios
is that good of a fighter. I don't think he's
that good either. I think... I like Barrios.
The guy that beat him last time was Ramos. Not
Jesus Ramos, but it was... Abel Ramos. He was
a pretty big underdog coming into the fight.
I mean, what was the equalizer was the power.
You know, his skill wasn't really there that
much, but the power, that almost took out Barrios.
Yeah. I'll tell you, Brian Norman Jr. has good
power. So if he can fight Barrios like how he
fought Quivas this fight, I think Barrios is
going to be in some trouble. I'll tell you that
for sure. Yeah, you guys can probably convince
me. Like I said, he did better than I thought
he would this fight. I wasn't expecting that
sort of win. It took him, from my estimation
of the welterweight champions, like Boots, then
Stanionis, then Barrios, then Norman. That's
where I had it. But now, Norman, after this,
maybe swap Norman and Barrios a little bit. They
should fight. They should. That's not going to
happen, though. They won't fight. I'll guarantee
you. PBC in the top rank? Definitely not. But
they should. They should, yes, of course. Those
two never really see eye to eye properly. I fucking
hate the politics of boxing. It ruins everything.
That could be a whole podcast in and of itself,
just talking shit about the podcast of each promotional
company. Yeah. And then how much we love Turkey
so we could get that Saudi bonus, huh? Yeah.
Not worth it. No, it's not worth it. I don't
want to sell my soul to this motherfucker. Yeah,
but I'm going to sell my soul. It's not going
to be to the fucking Saudis. Yeah, I suppose
that's a little more personal for you than us,
probably. Yeah, you actually have a vendetta,
huh? Well, it's a topic for another time. That's
a different podcast right there. Yeah, that one
is too. Mikayla Mayer and Sandy Bryan. Do it
again. Michaela Mayer gets it done clean this
time. I thought Sandy Ryan won the first time,
but Sandy Ryan, let's say that the cards did
go her way. Sandy Ryan's win would not have been
as good as this one that Michaela Mayer has over
Sandy Ryan. They were talking about doing it
a third time? Like, what? Fucking what for? Who
else are they going to fight, though? There's
not that many good women in this weight class.
Natasha Jonas is a good one. Michaela Mayer and
Natasha Jonas already fought, but that was a
questionable decision. That's putting it pretty
nicely. Who's the one chick? She just came into
the scene. Lauren Price just beat Natasha Jonas.
I don't think I know who Lauren Price is. She's
really fresh onto the scene. She's being built
up right now. Beat Jessica McCaskill. She might
be a future title holder. She's already got two.
Yeah, I was going to say I think she already
is. I thought they were interim titles. No. Really?
She's got three. Three of the four, I believe.
Oh, interim. No, she has IBF, WBC, and I think
WBA. I'm going to check. IBO. What the hell?
Oh, shoot. That's my bad, guys. If somebody has
the IBO, especially on the women's side, chances
are they have everything else, too. Yeah, Lauren
Price is the WBA champion. So let me ask you
guys this, okay? Do you guys often tune into
female boxing? um if it's that's also a different
weight class lauren price is one weight class
low oh no she's not no they're both welchers
sorry sorry um i watched them on the cards but
i don't really look for it yeah it's definitely
getting better but until pretty recently women's
boxing was not as good it's pretty there's so
many mishmet So many mismatches. Like, I'll never
forget that poor Canadian barista that they put
in with a world title holder. And she just got
fucking demolished in like 12 seconds. That wasn't
that long ago. That was like 2020. Someone that
took a few boxer -sized classes. I would have
done better. And I am not a boxer, but I would
have done better than that. Like, the first punch
might have missed if it was me because I'd be
too far away for her to hit me. mayor definitely
won this one yeah pretty clearly yeah very clearly
i don't know if i need to see another one i think
i'm with you leo but i just i also don't really
know who else they fight that lauren price is
a good one just lauren price uh yeah natasha
jonas if you want to get revenge uh michaela
if michaela mayor wants revenge for the crappy
decision I guess. I don't know if I particularly
want to see that either. Right. I don't really
think I do either. It's just Lauren Price. Just
start racking up those belts and start racking
up those defenses. Mayer is more skilled than
a lot of the women, I think. Like, her fundamentals
are better. I think she maybe had better coaching.
Yes. Really don't like how they make that whole
fucking storyline of the fight. They make it
all about that one coach that used to work with
Michaela Mayer, then switched to working with
Sandy Ryan. Yeah. I don't remember what it's
called, but it's something about literature or
just any sort of written art that if there's
two women having... Do they have dialogue? And
is it not about a man? The something test. Yeah.
Berkmeyer test. Is that it? Starts with a B.
I remember that much, but. I'm surprised they
didn't mention it. Bechdel test. Yeah. I'm surprised
they didn't mention the paint in any of the posts.
They did. They did. Fucking everywhere. Mayer
had that red handprint on her ass. I'm sure that
was a nod to the paint thing. Absolutely. No,
I was joking. Yeah, they plastered that shit
everywhere. Yeah. I missed the sarcasm. Sorry.
But this fight did not pass the Bechdel test.
No. Do better, top rank. Although, I guess it
is kind of a thing. Trainer switches? Yeah. I
guess. It's like when they make a big deal about
guys being sparring partners five years ago,
and you're like, eh. You're like Rody and Ryan?
Yeah. Or, like, they've really been trying to
push the Joe Joyce and Herkovich amateur fight
being important. That was fucking a million years
ago, guys. No one cares. Well, you know, with
Tank and Roach, Tank wanted the amateurs, but
Roach really wanted the pro. That one I actually
do think... I can get down with that one. Yeah,
that one, Roach was not scared of the power.
There's another... little one that doesn't get
brought up a lot that's nico ali walsh is actually
muhammad ali's grandson i don't know if you guys
knew that but i tried try not to put it out there
because it seems like top rank doesn't want to
it's a bit of a secret it's a bit i've never
heard of that it's boxing insider stuff i might
be i don't know i wasn't there when uh when it
happened when it was conceived go back to ultimate
fucking casuals bro yeah no kidding Pedal my
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T -T -A -C -K dot L -V -X dot B -E. What wasn't
casual bullshit? William Cepeda and Tevin Farmer.
What a fight. Just some quick ones on the way
up. Yocasta Valle, the jungle warrior goddess.
split decision over Marlon Esparza. It was competitive,
though, so my estimation when we talked about
it on Boxing Before Dark, I was thinking that
Marlon Esparza was washed, spent, fucking in
the hamper, getting ready to throw in the wash,
but definitely not the case here. I thought she
would pull it out. I really did, but she's not
done. Maybe not as good as she was, but she's
still tough as nails and has a decent gas tank.
She came in overweight. This isn't the first
time. No, but she was going down a weight class
as well. That's true. She made her usual weight
class. She made her usual weight, but didn't
make the 112. So, Yocasta, she's fighting someone
15, 20 pounds heavier. 15, probably. Yeah, but
that's kind of why I thought Esparza might win.
I knew she'd be bigger. It was an entertaining
fight. Probably another one where you could argue
that the two -minute rounds isn't great. No.
I don't care for the two -minute rounds. Actually,
that was worth bringing up with Michaela Mayer
and Sandy Ryan. Mayer might have got the knockout
if they were three -minute rounds. Yeah, because
as soon as the action started heating up, The
fucking round ends. It was ridiculous. I'm with
the guys in the Discord, or not just Discord,
but I'm on the side of you can't change it in
the pros. Just all at once. You gotta start at
the bottom. Grow it from the bottom. Yeah. You
can't expect people that have been fighting two
-minute rounds for 15 years to suddenly just
do three -minute rounds for 10 rounds. That's
true. They've been doing it for so long. I would,
at the very least, then, would like to make the
round counts the same. Like, title fights are
12, even if they're still two minutes. I could
get behind adding rounds. And I do think they
should go to three -minute rounds. But I think
you kind of got to do it in the amateurs. From
the beginning of their journeys. Yeah. But I
don't know how that really looks either. It's
hard to make a big change like that in a sport,
I think. No matter how you do it, people are
going to complain. I haven't really done anything
like that, really ever, change the round times.
No, like, I don't know. I'm picturing it kind
of being like helmets in hockey, where it becomes,
I guess in boxing, it would be one more thing
that you negotiate. Could be. You negotiate the
size of the ring, you negotiate the number of
rounds for fights. Women for maybe five years
while people are coming up from the amateurs
negotiate the time length. That could have some
repercussions that are unexpected though. Yeah,
but I mean like so many things are negotiated
fight to fight in boxing. I don't think negotiating
the length of the rounds would be... that much
different. I guess you're right. They just gotta
get the sanctioning bodies on board. Because
that's what's holding it up at this point, I
think. Some of these women want three. Yeah.
And the fucking argument that women can't fight
three minute rounds is stupid. I guess they could.
UFC or MMA in general, they fight five minutes.
Same as the men do. They have some bullshit argument
about injuries and stuff. It's stupid. No, yeah.
Yocasta Valle, split decision over Marlon Esparza.
If you're listening, Joey, our girl, she didn't
make it. It's alright, though. Yocasta Valle,
always fantastic. Always fun to watch. She beats
Anissa Estrada, and I'll die on that hill. I
like Valle. I do. I just thought that Esparza
was going to be too big for her. Yeah, it was
a problem for sure. It did prove to be a problem
still. Oscar Collazo. KO5 over Edwin Cano. WBA,
WBO, minimum weight titles on the line. Good
stuff. I have very little notes. He looked great.
He's... Bring in excitement to a weight division
that, what did we call them? Or what did you
call them? What did I call them? Victim weights?
Victim weights. I know the guys in the chat were
kind of saying that Koyazo was not, you know,
good for beating all these cans. But, I mean,
his skill, he has skill. He's got a lot of skill.
He is not beating cans. Koyazo's good. And he's
only had 11 fights. I hate. When people do this
with the minimum weights, it's like, oh, he's
just been knocking over Thai cans for however
long. And it's like, no. He won a belt in ten
fights. Maybe less than ten fights. Less than
ten. Yeah, he won a belt in nine fights. Became
a unified champion in ten. Yeah, I don't... I
don't understand why people are saying he's knocking
over cans. They're not cans. They're fucking
title holders. Who else do you want them to fight?
They're pretty good people, you know? Not bad.
Yeah, they're fine. Collazo's good, though. Collazo's
good. He's gonna be a problem. His biggest problem
is gonna be that he's tiny. Like, even at that
weight class, he's not very big. He's 5 '2".
Like, CP Freshmart is... was... Is 5 '0". I think
Melvin Jerusalem is also 5 '0"? Yeah, and so
are the brothers. The Shigeoka brothers? Yeah.
I think they're both 5 '0". Melvin is 5 '2".
Everybody in there is about 4 '10"-5 '2". There's
not much height range. There's this one, this
other Filipino guy, Pedro Taduran. He's 5 '4".
So that's actually pretty tall for 105. He's
tall for 105. Not Katani, 105. But no, I don't
think anybody beats Collazo in that weight class.
I think he could also move up at least one. Maybe
to the strawweight, right? This is Strawweight.
Minimum and Straw are the same names. What's
the weight class above? Lightflyweight. Who's
in Lightfly? It's actually really competitive
right now, Lightfly, isn't it? I don't recognize
anybody in here. Oh. But there are some decent
records. Filipinos, Mexicans. Japanese, Thai,
as expected. Not really any American stuff, huh?
No. No, this is flyweight. I'm thinking flyweight.
Flyweight is very competitive right now. And
if people want to hear about flyweight, they
need to come to Boxing Before Dark because there
was a Japanese doubleheader weekend this same
weekend that me and Leo are going to talk about.
Yes. And I'm going to watch it and be well -studied
and well -prepared. It was great. Man. You know
what else was good? William Zepeda versus Tevin
Farmer rematch. It was... It was... I thought
it... I'm not sure what to really say. It was...
It was great. Zepeda was putting on the pressure,
throwing a lot of punches. Tevin Farmer... Showed
that he's still very crafty. Was landing good
counters. He was landing some solid shots. Like,
he was landing the cleaner punches, but much
fewer. So it's one of those, like, which do you
prefer? I don't know. I'm kind of feeling like
Tevin Farmer might have taken this one as well.
It's like I felt like he took the first. I disagree.
But the thing is, I think he could have won.
It seemed like he was injured, correct? Yes.
Yeah, he fucked up a hand and the other elbow.
The thing is that with the first fight, I think
he won personally. This fight, I think he lost,
but I think he really would have won if he had
everything. If he was naturally healthy, you
know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Healthy farmer
wins this one. I agree. I honestly believe if
this went one more round, I think he would have
knocked out Zepeda. If you saw how he was beating
up Cepeda in that last round, dude, Cepeda was
stunned. He was stunned. He had him hurt. He
was kind of bad. Yeah. If he had taken the initiative,
I think he would have knocked him down. Well,
I think Farmer was trying to save his hand for
that last round. His power hand is the one he
hurt early. And I think he wasn't throwing full
power for most of the fight and really going
for that knockout in the 12th round. But I did
think he was behind on the cards. Yeah. He definitely
won that first fight, though. I don't care what
anyone says. They fucked him. He won the first
fight. I felt really bad for Farmer, too, because
they told him to do the interview, and he was
like, no, I don't want to. And then he was angry.
He said some things he probably shouldn't have
said. Nothing terrible, but just like, I'm so
fucking sick of this. I always lose the close
fights. Yeah, how many more times do I have to
do this before one of them goes my way? And he
was still respectful to Zepeda, though. Like,
Farmer's a respectful guy. I like Kevin Farmer,
but yeah, he always gets fucked on close fights.
This one, I don't think he particularly should
have won, but... I honestly don't really think
that it was really in his... I'll explain. It
just wasn't possible for him to win this one
if he was injured like that. You know what I
mean? I guess someone like Zepeda. You need to
throw... You need to give it all out to Zepeda.
But... That was something that Tevin Farmer did
say. Yeah. And the thing is with Tevin Farmer,
I mean, he didn't crash out as bad as someone
like Anthony Joshua and Usyk. You know what I
mean? No, no, it wasn't like a terrible crash
out, but it was, I am emotional and I don't want
to talk to you. And then they made him talk.
Yeah. I don't think they should do that to boxers.
Boxers should have the right to like refuse those
after immediate after interviews. Well, I'm going
to get out of the ring. Yeah. Usually when they
do, when they leave the ring, that's how they
avoid it. They stopped them from leaving the
ring. Oh, lame. Like he was on his way out and
they stopped him and told him he had to do the
interview. Lame. Pretty lame. I did notice that
Claudia was not translating it in real time.
Oh, the farmer. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't translate
it to the Mexican crowd. Yep. Yeah. I like Claudia.
I think she's good at her job. Probably the right
call not to translate that. Because he was already
getting booed hard, and they booed the fuck out
of the American anthem, and I loved it. Oh, yeah,
that's right. You're Canadian. Yeah, I am. William
Zepeda, what is next? Because if he's thinking
that he's really going to fight Shakur Stevenson,
think again, Playboy. That's not the best move
for you. I personally think that Zepeda, I think
he's going to become another Giovanni Cabrera.
Or like a Thomas Delorme, where they pulled up
younger fighters. Who were we saying that about
last time? I think last time we said that about,
I believe, dude. I don't remember. Was it Kambucha?
Oh, Kambosas. Kambosas. Yeah. Yeah, I think William
Cepeda is going to be like that for once he loses.
For Mexico? Yeah, for Mexico, once he loses.
Because, I don't know, I mean, he has a lot of,
he has pretty good output. But his skill, man,
I think he just kind of lacks in, you know? Yeah.
Zepeda's whole thing is output. You're right.
Like, if people can handle the pressure, he's
got nothing. And, dude, that ring was small.
Like, it was really, really small. And the fact
that he couldn't really cut off the ring properly
in a small ring like that, that just screams
to me that he's just a tiny skill. Well, and
Farber was making him miss. The whole night.
Farmer was making a mess. That too. I mean, I
personally think Roach beats him. Zepeda. Well,
not kills, but you beat him in split to two.
Shakur, I think also could even knock him out.
Shakur does not knock out Zepeda. I would say
Roach knocks out Zepeda before Shakur does. I
know that sounds silly. I know that sounds silly.
But Zepeda, to get knocked down by Farmer. Farmer
has more power than he gets credit for. You guys
are just wrong about Farmer. I'm agreeing with
you here. Not you, Leo. I just mean the shit
talkers. Farmer has power. Not good power, though.
A fuck of a lot more than Shakur. I was going
to say, Shakur does. Well, the thing is, I don't
know. I just feel like Farmer... I don't know.
It's hard to explain. I think the reason why
he has good power is because he has really well
-placed shots. Like, really, really well -placed
shots. And the way he uses his punches. Half
of how you get power. That's why Inoue knocks
people out. Well, Shakur, the way he boxed that
135 from what I've seen, he doesn't really...
His jab is not so much a power jab as much as
it's kind of closer to a flicker jab. Does that
make sense? Or do you guys disagree with me on
that? I just think Shakur is shit and I don't
watch him enough to have an opinion on any specifics.
You don't like Shakur? I fucking hate Shakur.
I hate him so much. Why is that? Why? He's boring
as fuck. oh yeah I hate him because of that too
but like he talks so he has no self -awareness
I went on this rant on the other podcast but
he talks about knocking people out and all this
stuff and he's never gonna do it like know who
you are be Reagan now like I'm gonna make you
look stupid I'm gonna give you a boxing lesson
you're never gonna touch me these are all facts
Shakira can say but I'm gonna go in there and
put him in the hospital no fucking way No fucking
way. I just think that Zepeda just doesn't have
enough skill to, you know. I think Zepeda could
stand there and let Shakur punch him in the face
for five minutes and Shakur still doesn't knock
him out. Really? Zepeda has a chin. Well, the
thing is, I think Zepeda's chin is kind of overrated.
You know what I mean? I think he's been with
enough camps to where people think that he does
have a good chin. Maybe, but Shakur has negative
power. Yeah, maybe that was a little ballsy.
I'm going to stop defending that. I'm thinking
about it now. Maybe that was a little too controversial,
even for myself. I'm not saying that Zepeda beats
him, but Shakur does not knock Zepeda out. Shakur
doesn't knock anybody out. I think he knocks
them down at least, though. He gets a knockdown.
Let me tell you, Shakur's really good. You can't
deny Shakur's really, really good. He's very
skilled. Yeah. Yeah. I still think Keyshawn beats
Kushker. He's a better BOMAC fighter, but, you
know. Yeah, he does not knock Zepeda out. Does
Keyshawn knock Zepeda out? Uh, yeah. I lean towards
no. I don't think Zepeda's chin is as bad as
you think it is. I don't think it's as good as
you think it is. Hence the disagreement. Yeah.
We'll see in the future. I guess. The thing is,
for Mexicans, I'm not trying to be biased, but
in the Mexican community, we like to favor the
Isak Cruises. Yeah, I love Mexican -style fighters.
The thing is, they're fun to watch, but it's
just, I don't... I like the B -Bowls. I do like
the B -Bowls. I just think that watching skill
and watching a chess match is kind of fun. To
me, at least. It can be fun as long as they actually
throw punches and hit people. Yeah, I agree.
Shakira's too far the other way. It's not watching
a chess match. It's watching fucking paint dry.
He's like Ali if Ali never threw a punch. He's
like Rigendale. Rigendale was... Rigendale could
if he just chose not to knock people out. Shakira
can't even choose to knock people out. I won
35 at least. Fucking anything. Healing punches.
Him and Devin Haney. That one is a barn burner
for sure, huh? Devin Haney versus Shakur? I remember
when Shakur walked into the ring with Devin Haney
after he beat Lomachenko. I was like, I almost
cried. Nobody would watch that. No, fuck no.
Now, with Tank and Shakur, I'd watch. It'd be
fun. Probably. Maybe. I never get excited about
Shakur fights. They're not exciting. He is very
skilled, but he is boring as fuck. And his lack
of reality in his shit -talking just annoys the
hell out of me. I guarantee you that they'll
probably put Shakur versus the Peta on the Canelo
Crawford undercard. You think so? I think so
because, I mean... Well, I don't know if it's
appropriate to say on the air, but it seems like
they're kind of instigating a certain rivalry.
Yeah, I can see that. Oh, I know what you mean.
Yeah, to try to sell tickets. It's not a lie
that it does sell, that type of rivalry does
sell, but to try to instigate it like that is
kind of crummy. Floyd Mayweather made a career
off of it. In the latter half. He's a real candle.
They do make those country versus country cards
every once in a while. Japan does it. They'll
bring in a whole bunch of Mexicans and it'll
be like Japan versus Mexico or Japan versus the
Philippines. Not the big televised ones, but
like Koraku and Paul has Japan versus the Philippines
fucking twice a year, I think. I know They have
Mexico versus Puerto Rico. Yeah, they do those
cards a lot. Yeah, which I think I'm getting
sick of as well. Well, the rivalry isn't that...
Well, and it's not that good right now. There's
not that many good Puerto Ricans right now. Oscar
Collazo, baby. Yeah, but I mean, you can't make...
There's Mexican minimum weights that he could
fight. That's worth... You know, the rivalry
title, you know what I mean? But you can't make
a whole card out of it. Like, there's not three
good Puerto Rico versus Mexico fights. Berlanga,
Zayas, and Colazo. There you go. Boom. I guess.
We should be promoters. We should be promoters,
huh? We would be good promoters, but we would
end up being crummy in the end. Anything more?
No, I don't think so. For this one? No. All right.
Zepeda was underwhelming, and Farmer wins if
his hand isn't busted. Yes. All right. Last thing
is, just really quickly, Konstantin Ursu. It's
another monster, but this one's from Moldova.
The Moldovan monster. He slaps Ethan James in
seven. He should be the bear. Yeah. His last
name means bear. Why is he not the bear? I don't
know. Because he's the Moldovan monster. I'm
so fucking sick of monsters. There's one monster,
bitches. Well, maybe for you. Be real. There's
one monster. I got the Mexican monster. I got
the Mexican monster. You got the Japanese monster.
If you're the Mexican anything, you're not the
thing. If you're the someplace thing, you're
not the thing. You're the knockoff. Of that place
only. Yeah. You're going to piss off the Mexican
audience with that one. Good. They need to face
reality. They can call in. The Mexican audience
can call in at our number. 833 -589 -7637. There
you go. I had a beta. I had a beta. Leo, did
it say that way? Yeah. But, well, his nickname
before was cooler anyways because he was the
red flag, right? Yeah. That's a way cooler nickname.
That was a cool name. The Mexican monster. Oh,
I'm the dollar store version from a different
country. Yeah. Anyways. Right. So that was a
lot more than I expected for Constantine Urso.
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There's that. and moving into previews there's
not a lot of them uh i have the tiger on the
10th um it's a bunch of on here there's a lot
of french canadians so if you like french canadians
then there you go it's boxing nobody likes french
canadians not even the french canadians wait
you guys like french canadians up there nobody
likes the french canadians from anywhere Dr.
Blue, where is me mama? What? That was the surprise
reference, I'm sorry. Oh, I never watched that
one. Dr. Blue. Oh, Dr. Blue, where is me mama?
No, you need to... You guys should look up Quebec
accents. They're fucking awful. I've heard nothing
good about them. Fucking awful. The stereotypical
sort of caricature -ish. Yeah, except like through
the nose and more French -Canadian swearing.
That's going to be our downfall is the French
-Canadians in this podcast. They're going to
protest this podcast. The French are good at
protesting. They can come for me. They can come
for me. I'm from Western Canada. The French can
go fuck themselves. With the beavers. Right.
After we're done fucking the French here. Marv
Nation. This is in Albuquerque at The Pit. I
wasn't going to even check this one out until
I saw the name of the venue. And then I decided,
you know what? That's a pretty cool place. What's
going on here? And we got a bit of a MMA guys
doing boxing plus some actual boxers. Fucking
Rampage Jackson. What? Even I know that name.
Yeah. Versus Rashad Evans. Six rounds at heavyweight.
That's one of the MMA guys or MMA people fighting
MMA people boxing. I should say. And then the
other one, John McDessie versus Diego Sanchez.
It's one of the first winners of the Ultimate
Fighter TV show. Nice. On the undercard of this,
we have Fernando Vargas. This is the eldest,
I believe, of the Vargas brothers versus Gonzalo
Correa. 10 rounds at 154. Fucking Shane Mosley
Jr. versus DeAndre Pettis. 10 rounds at middleweight.
And Brian Mendoza. Wondered what he was doing
last week after the Fandoro talk. No, he's fighting
Jire De Los Santos at 154 as well. Party. Last
thing, and this is the reason we're here. Motherfucking...
Jaron Ennis versus Imantas Stanionis. Other than
Ray Ford versus Thomas Matisse, is there anything
else on the undercard worth talking about? Wasn't
Omari Jones fighting in this one or no? He is.
Omari Jones fighting? Yeah. That's going to be
worth checking out. Oh, he was on... Yeah, that's
right. He was on DAZN not too... Like, fucking
two weeks ago. Three weeks ago. It's going to
be worth checking out for him. I'm watching his
career closely. Yeah, Lamar Jones is definitely
worth watching. I don't recognize anybody else
other than Ray Ford, so have fun with that. And
Jaron Ennis unifying the IBF and his IBF with
Stan Jonas' WBA title. Oh. What happens? Boots
should win this, right? Yeah, he should. That's
what we're all expecting? Yes. The thing is that
I don't think he's going to win easily. No. I
think it's going to be a war, in my opinion.
I've been thinking about a lot of fights this
year, but this one for sure, the way that Stan
Yodas fights and Boots fights, it's going to
devolve into something spectacular. But gruesome,
I think. I like standing on this. I'm going to
cheer for him. I'm pretty give or take on Enes.
The thing with Boots, he's really good. He's
exceptionally well. He does an exceptionally
well job at taking down a high guard. But, I
mean, in my opinion, I think Boots makes a lot
of mistakes that not a lot of people see. I think
one of the biggest is his inside work and his
defense on the inside because a lot of the time
he just... I don't know the word, but he just
stops. You know what I mean? He holds a Philly
shell on the inside. And he doesn't have, like...
I want to explain this. You know, like, let me
give you an example. His last fight, right, with
Chuka Sedazian. He got hit a lot with shots that
he should not have gotten hit with if he was
an elite fighter. You know? He has a really...
He makes the mistake of just standing in the
pocket and staying still. You know what I mean?
Yeah, no, I agree with you. He kind of takes
breaks almost. Exactly, yeah. And it's like,
well, if Danny Otis catches him hard, because
Danny Otis, he's a pretty hard puncher, right?
He's got heavy hands. And if he catches boots
with the left hook, which that's potentially
going to happen. I don't know what's going to
happen. I don't know what's going to unfold.
I think that... This is going to be, for sure,
Boots' hardest fight. Well, and I do think...
Knocked out on both ends. I do think Boots might
have trouble getting Stanionis' respect. Stanionis
takes a punch well. Like, he's not going to be
scared. Yeah, for sure. The thing with Boots
is that I just worry for how he's going to take
a left hook from Stanionis. Because that Philly
shell, he does not belong... I don't know. I
just don't like him using the Philly shell. He's
from Philly, but you don't need it. Yeah. No,
this one should be exciting. I'm excited for
it. Predictions? Ennis with a close decision.
I think Ennis is probably going to win it, but
I'm going to be cheering for Stanionis. I might
put a coffee bet on Stanionis. I think the odds
will be pretty wide. I believe there's two ways
it could go. I believe, I think, like what you
said, a really close end of decision or a standing
on his TKO. TKO, specifically. Specifically,
yeah. I don't see standing on his winning this
via decision. If it's a matchup fight, I don't
see standing on his winning decision. Possible.
I don't know about impossible, but unlikely.
I would say impossible with a match room. They
tend to do that type of shit. You know? You guys
know politics, you know? They're not going to
let Boots Ennis win. Or they're going to have
to let him lose a decision against a PBC fighter
on their own. Freaking, you know, on their own
freaking card. You know what I mean? No. That's
true. I'm going to be cheering for Estani on
SKO. Same. Yeah, me too. I like boots, but I
mean, it would be fun to see. It would be funny
to see Stanley on his win. Well, we got to back
the Lithuanians. That's true. I don't know why,
but we do. I was waiting for the explanation.
They're not American. Oh. And then I remembered
you guys were both American. I disagree because
I thought it was funny. Well, anything more for
the matchroom card? No. All right. Well, then,
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That. So, we're heading into Boots Weekend. Also,
UFC 314, Fear of the Persuasion. But it's Boots
Weekend. Parting words. Alex, start us off. Yeah.
I'm hopeful to see how Omar Jones' career looks
like, his professional career. I think he can
excel. I know a lot of Olympic guys, they kind
of... become so part of the pros. But you know
what? I think he can. He's got the goods. I think
he's got the goods. We'll see what happens in
the future. My turn? Yep. I actually got a quote
for this one. So, I really like Edgar Allan Poe's
writing and his whole life story is fucking madness
and his death is crazy. If you guys don't know
how Edgar Allan Poe died, you should go read
the Wikipedia. Absolutely. Yeah. It's, well,
like, mysteriously is the best way to put it.
He disappeared one night, and then they found
him the next day delirious in somebody else's
clothes. And then he died at the hospital. And
nobody knows what the fuck happened. But Edgar
Allan Poe's life is awesome. But I found a quote,
not from one of his stories, but just something
he said that I really liked. All religion, my
friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear,
greed, imagination, and poetry. I like that one.
I like boxing. Yeah, I need to find somebody
who liked boxing and wrote about boxing. But
I have read every Edgar Allan Poe story and poem,
and some of them are hit or miss, but a lot of
the less popular ones are really mindfucks. Yes,
I've read a few of them. Yeah, I love them. I
think I already mentioned UFC 314, so check out
Ultimate FN Casuals if you want to hear more
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appreciate it. Nice. Confound. God damn it, George.
Always with the good shit. I know. That's going
to do it for this edition. And if you want to
hear about a whole bunch of Japanese boxing.
Boxing before dark. Because I have three cards
that we're going to go through. And they were
all exciting. Oh, shit. Was I right? Yeah. That's
it for this edition of the Boxing B -Sides. We'll
catch you next time. Bye. Later. Welcome to the
fucking show. All right, just a quick blurb,
just so you can get back to what you were doing.
Why would a boxing fan, let's assume they're
like a purist or some shit. Why would they want
to watch MMA? Why would they want to listen to
an MMA show? I'm going to come at this from sort
of like a primal level. So I will admit there
are some very unique and stark differences between
MMA and boxing. And it seems like one of the
main things that keeps boxing fans away from
MMA is the grappling aspect. And yet sometimes
it can be a lay and pray. uh type of fight and
it can get old but man like it's just instinctual
man some of these people the way they find an
mma is just brutal and i feel like that's what
it comes down to when it comes to being a combat
fan a combat sports fan um i mean we saw it just
recently uh mauricio uh roofie versus uh bobby
green a spinning back fit or spinning uh a wheel
wheel uh wheel kick Man, it's I mean, they went
viral and it's something that everyone can appreciate,
even boxing fans. I know if you have a few friends
that are boxing fans who I sent him that clip.
I mean, and they they were amazed and that, you
know, they won't even tell me that they wish
they would have seen it live because seeing seeing
that that type of stuff live just elicits like
a euphoric feeling that, you know, you can't
get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too. Whenever
you see like an amazing fight. But I just got
to say, like in MMA, you get those type of fights
as well, just in a different type. It's different,
but sort of the same. It's sort of weird how
I describe it, but it's different, but the same.
It comes down to that same like carnal or primal
instinct of just like fights. Yeah, I always
think like the biggest. The easiest transition
that I always recommend, I say this all the time
on Ultimate fucking Casuals, is if you're not
too keen on the grappling, Muay Thai and kickboxing
are exactly where you want to start. Like, you
start working on the kicks, the elbows, the knees,
all that stuff, and you can come to learn to
appreciate grappling. I never thought I would,
and here I am. Yeah. Like I said, some of it
is very boring, some of the grappling. It depends
on the fighters, but sometimes, man, there's
boring boxing fights all the time. Yeah, you're
right. But man, some of these grapplers, man,
these scrambles that they do, it is pretty crazy
just to see it. Rolling around the floor, you
can see the stuff that they're doing in between
the scrambles. It's sort of crazy. Flipping someone
over, the trips, I mean, it's... It can be fun,
but yeah, you're right. The easiest transition
is definitely start out with Muay Thai, kickboxing,
and, you know, slowly work your way into MMA.
And, you know, this is the thing about the ultimate
fucking casuals. We will let you know which fights
are going to be good. Which ones, you know, if
you're not too in tune with the grappling, we
can get maybe a little tag or a little asterisk
on certain fights saying, like, this is a boxing
purist type of fight. you can watch this and
enjoy this like we'll let you know yeah we always
try um like i came into this the whole show was
started with me i didn't know shit about mma
i'd never really seen an mma fight in its entirety
in my entire life and i came into this with nothing
and yeah that's where we're at now is like we're
talking like i make sure i go out of my way to
bring up muay thai And bring up kickboxing so
that people know. For boxing fans to know, this
is where you can start. All right. Well, that
was about it. I really appreciate your time.
Thanks, Isaac, for jumping on real quick. Thanks
for having me on. All right. Thank you.