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fucking... The final release, but we are back
indeed. Joan Bae, Shanada, and the one and only
Alex. How are you all doing? Well, it's a Sunday
for us, Alex, but Shanada, she's playing hooky
from work. Yeah, I skipped out. Always. It's
been a week without boxing. It has not in Japan.
No, there's been a lot going on. I mean, a week
without the boxing besides. Oh, yeah. It's been
a few weeks. We will not go quietly into the
night. We will not vanish. We didn't give up.
Without talking more about the fights. Today's
our Independence Day. Starting off with the olive
branch to the MMA guys. I wanted to bring up
a few things that were coming up. uh, review
or preview section, there's going to be the beginning
of PFL's 2025 season. The first event is going
to be 170 pounds and 145 pounds. Um, those are
glamor divisions over on that side of the street.
And just like they are for us actually thinking
on it, it's about light heavyweight and, or super
middleweight and what welters. So cool. Some
decent names in here. But if you're trying to
get into watching MMA, this is actually a pretty
decent place to start. One other one. Sean Brady
submits Leon Edwards. Holy poo -poo. Who saw
that coming? I sure didn't. Even with it being
a late replacement. But still. Ultimate effing
casuals if you want to check that out. And...
Separate plug, Shanada and I talk about this
on the Boxing Before Dark, the secondary show
that we have going on here, where we talk about
1 -170 quite a bit. You actually tuned in for
this one. Yeah, I did. 1 is much more interesting
than UFC, in my opinion. Yeah. Why is that? It's
a lot of kickboxing instead of MMA, I guess.
They wear gloves and they can't grapple. And
if they go to the ground, they stand them right
back up. There's no homoerotic cuddling on the
floor. Yeah. Yeah. No, one FC is much more interesting
to me. I like that. I tell people over on the
MMA side, if you want to start like easing into
boxing, kickboxing is a good start because it's
boxing style gloves. With kicks added in. And
for boxing fans crossing over to the MMA side,
Muay Thai, there is a little bit of clinching
allowed, but you have to be actively kneeing
or elbowing while you're in the clinch. Otherwise,
they break you up immediately. Muay Thai is fun.
I do like it. It's just hard to find the fight
sometimes. Yeah. But the cuts and the knockouts,
Jesus Christ. Yep. Man, I keep telling people,
1FC is where it's at. But that's enough of that
stuff. Let's get into the reviews. This is going
to be going, for March 22nd, we're going to be
going in order of just how much weight these
things have versus the actual timeline. So really
quickly, overtime. starts back up this is they're
not doing their tournament format yet but they
did have some of their tournament winners or
finalists compete on this card kurt scooby gets
a stoppage in five over brian jimenez jeremy
hill over ud over malik montgomery and jonathan
mansour ko1 over marcus bose party scooby looked
good yeah he is he is good uh he was on uh showbox
and he was just starting to break into the boxing
zeitgeist, and then Showtime got out of boxing
not long after. It's very unfortunate for him,
but he's still out there doing his thing, so
good on Kurt. I have a bone to pick with Starboxing.
Their fucking website is not very good. Like,
how in the fuck does mine work better than yours?
This is unacceptable. But Mickey Scala squeaks
by majority decision over Victor Tony. It's the
only fight that I really care about on that whole
thing. Joe Smith Jr., for whatever reason, decided
not to fight. So that's fun. God damn it, Mickey
Scala. Supposed to do better than that. I do
not know who Mickey Scala is. He's a local Smokey
for me. He lives out in the East Valley. So my
city, we refer to it as the Valley. So East Valley.
I'm in the West. West Side? Yeah. Very much.
I'm actually from West Side. Provox on YouTube.
If you're not watching Provox, you should be.
Provox is awesome. I was so close to go. I was
about to buy a ticket for this fight. I was so
close. You should have. I regret it afterwards.
There's a lot of good fights on here. Even though
you may not recognize a lot of the names, I'm
not going to read them all, but even if you don't
recognize them, still a lot of great fights.
Just going from number four from the top, Kelvin
Davis, DB3. KO4 over Jose Marufo. He looked pretty
good. Yeah, he is. He's the oldest and the tallest,
biggest, or whatever. He still looks good. He's
still a Davis brother, and I've yet to see one
of the three that doesn't look good. Jesse Magdaleno,
TKO3, we're so back. So fucking back. Super featherweight
Magdaleno. We'll see what he can leverage this
into. They were talking about him the same way
they were talking about Angelo Leo, like taking
this and pivoting into... getting back into title
contention. Not so sure that's going to happen
for him, but... It would be good, though. It
would be good for him, of course. But I don't
see that going very well for him. Vladimir Hernandez
split decision over Isaias Lucero. I was thinking
going into like round five or six. It's like,
man, I think Vladimir is about to lose. He's
having spots of success, but he's not able to
string anything together to really win the rounds,
at least as I was seeing it. So I went back to
I got myself a little camp stove and I've been
using it outside just because cooking outside
is just cooler for some reason. It is. And gas
grills or a gas stove is way better than a fucking
electric one. Anyway, so I went back to cooking
outside, and then I come back, and I see, like,
okay, Vlad's turning it on here. He's got the
gas tank, and so, cool. And he ends up getting
the split decision, so good for him. Ooh, I was
worried for him. Was that the fight with the
cut, or was that the main event? I can't remember.
I think it was. Somewhere in there, yeah. Somewhere
in there, they were yelling that they forgot
their smocks, which always makes me laugh. Yeah,
that's right. It was a head clash, I think in
like the third or fourth round. And Vlad got
it on his eyebrow. Yes, right through his eyebrow.
Yep. And main event, Lester Martinez finally
gets in the ring with Joshan James, KO4. Talking
all that shit. And he didn't even make it halfway.
Sad times. Pretty sad. uh well speaking of sad
matchroom in sydney uh tara moana tko1 this is
not sad he gets the tk he gets the stoppage over
james singh dude this is like the first person
i've ever seen that's from fiji all the way around
here fiji you can't get any further away before
you start coming back that's fucking dope i thought
that was cool So Terra Moana keeps the winning
streak going. Starts off 2025 with a bang. He'll
probably get another four more fights in for
this year, at least. Well, he's not taking any,
like, any damage because he's knocking people
out so fast. Yep. But that's what you do. You
probably fight, like, six times. Yeah. That's
what you do when you're a prospect. That's what
you got to do. Moving up. Keep them busy. Everybody
likes watching them. Sure. Sharnika Johnson,
TKO7 over Nina Hughes. Fun. Sharnika's an Australian,
I would say domestic level type, but she could
work her way up into something bigger. Sky Nicholson.
Much to Shanada's disappointment. Inconsolable.
Sky Nicholson loses her title. Split decision
to Tiara Brown. Not at all. Not a jobbing or
anything like that. That was... Skye Nicholson's
the princess of Australia, pretty much. Yep.
And they didn't even bother to buy her a win.
I was about to say, I was so surprised they didn't
even attempt to rob her, to rob the other girl.
Well, somebody had it the other way. Yeah, it
was... It wasn't, like, crazy, though. No. You
know how a matchup can be. Where it's 118 -110.
I remember that Cal Smith fight on the Bevo -Better
Bevo undercard. It was 118 -110. It's pretty
wild. Oh, with Boazzi. Yeah. That's right. That
was otherworldly. You know who else is... I'm
so happy that Skye Nicholson got exposed. She's
not that good. I don't know if exposed is the
right word. She lost a competitive fight, but
yeah, she's like not that great. I think if they
run it back, she'll lose it more clearly. She's
not horrible, but she's not that good. Everybody
was talking like she was going to be the next.
She's just good looking. Whatever. That's really
it. That's why it's because she's good looking.
Who cares? Well, Tiara Brown didn't care. Not
so good looking now. Yeah, she got beat up, huh?
Yeah. Good looking after the beating. Man, speaking
of good looking or not good looking, George Cambosos
Jr. That was embarrassing. You think he's a hottie?
No, not looking good. I even have the wrong name
on here. I didn't correct it, but he gets a UD
over the late replacement. It was like Lee Wiley,
I think it was. Something Wiley. I remember someone
jokingly calling him Wiley Coyote. And Kambosis
went life and death with this guy. Yeah, like
super late replacement. Kambosis should not have
gone to the distance with this guy. He looked
so nervous and out of his element in the last
first... The last first. The first three or four
rounds. That Wiley guy was just like, holy shit.
I'm here. He held his own. He did. Afterwards,
yeah. He finished the fight really strong, but
Kambosa should have got him out in the first
five rounds. Sure. We spend a lot of time talking
about this one on Boxing Before Dark, so I recommend
checking that one out. You can definitely get...
less restrained thoughts. And let the reins off.
Well, it would just be a repeat of what I said.
Yeah. But Kambosa should be doing better than
this. Absolutely. If he thinks he's world class,
he should not go to decision with a local guy
on two weeks notice. Was it even two weeks notice?
No. I think it was less, right? I think it was
less than a week. Yeah, that's fucking crazy.
Like, Cambosos should do better. That was, like,
the gist of what we were talking about over there,
was that if we need to let go of the illusion,
whoever it is that's still trying to hold on
to it, we need to let go of the illusion that
George Cambosos is world -class. Because he fucking
isn't. No. For Aussie domestic level? Oh, sure
he did. That was great. So that automatically
means that he's the best in the division. Yeah,
but then Lomachenko made him look fucking stupid.
He embarrassed him. Absolutely clowned on him.
Argument destroyed. Struggles with Maxie Hughes.
Struggles with Lee Wiley. I thought Maxie Hughes
beat him. I thought Maxie Hughes won. I absolutely
thought he won. And Maxie Hughes is not really
world -class either. Right. No. Keep him, keep
Cambosos to these like domestic dust -ups and
we're, you're cooking with something there. Like,
yeah, I guess he's a name, but like, why? I think
what they could start doing with him is they
could probably put him with fighters that are
being built up and they could be like a, I guess
like a Gamboa or a Delorme, you know what I mean?
Like a gatekeeper? Yeah, something like that.
You know what I mean? Exactly. To test these
young kids out. Well, Wiley took him to decision
on a week's notice. I don't even know how good
of a fucking gatekeeper he is. Wiley's a pound
for pound guy. I tried to be... I did a to be
fair or to give Kambosis the benefit of the doubt.
over on Boxing Before Dark and Shanada just fucking
ripped into me. Like, no. You don't do that.
You do not do that for Cambosos. Even I wouldn't
say that. I depend upon Schofield. You guys are
way too nice over here. Speaking of nice. We
have to get to a heated car. We gotta get heated.
Eventually, yeah. There's one that's gonna come
up. So, yeah, speaking of being too nice, Jesus
Ramos, Merckx, Guido Schramm, not as good as
Vladimir Hernandez did it, but it was also much
less competitive than Vladimir Hernandez's win.
So Jesus Ramos is going to keep piling up those
wins. He did not lose to Erickson Lubin. You
can take that to the bank. Fucking not nice.
Elijah Garcia. Ah, that's right, huh? Drops the
decision to Terrell Gachet. Homeboy just did
not have answers for anything. For anything.
And I'm very disappointed. You better rep my
zip code, bitch. You better win. The thing is
that with Elijah Garcia, I don't get why they're
robbing people for him, specifically. Like, what's
their goal here with him? Right. Are they going
to try to build him into another Mexican -American
fighter that sells pay -per -view? Like what?
He's never going to be like that. He's slow.
He has no skill. No respect to him. He's a boxer,
and obviously there's all the respect. But he's
never going to be with the elite. Not even with
the George Kimboses of the world. I don't understand
why you let him lose to Kyron Davis. Or let.
That's a strong word. But now you're going to
pull it out against Terrell Gauchet. Drops the
fucking ball. That was a loss, man. He should
be 16 -2 right now. Yeah, for sure. And he's
not even that fun to watch. No. He was okay against
Jose Resendiz, but that's only because Resendiz
comes to brawl. So that's where the fun was.
It takes two to tango. Right. Chiron and Terrell
Gachet were not interested in letting him settle
into his shots. That's my main part. He's 21,
so he's still got time. Like, this whole, I've
got to be a champion before I turn 22 or whatever
shit. No. No, dude. He might feed him to Lara,
maybe, but... That would go very horribly for
Garcia. I would rate Erislandy Lara to stop him.
Well, the thing is that if it goes to decision,
they might just give it to the kid. Yeah. Extra
pay on the backside. I don't know. Lara should
have enough power to stop him. He does. I would
not bet money on that one. having the option
of being a robbery i think lara stops him i would
put money on on the decision though just because
it's probably gonna be so high and you know knowing
pvc they love to do that shit yeah but i just
i i don't see garcia going to a decision oh hell
no but if it does you make a lot of money yeah
hamburger bits A hamburger with cheese on it.
A cheeseburger. Add a little extra. Add the 50
cents. So you could pay the transaction fees.
I should have put 50 pizza bets on Tank Roach.
You should have. You had that one. You called
that one. I did. I'm sad. That's it. Anything
more for Elijah Garcia? Because I wanted to give
most of the time. To Sebastian Fundura. And Cordell
Booker. Fuck the BBC. Alright. So Sebastian Fundura.
Stops Cordell Booker. Exactly what you'd expect.
Retains his WBC WBO titles. The world's his oyster.
He's the. I'm trying to think of how to phrase
this. Is he legit? Or is he still like a freak
show? Is he somebody that like. more to zalif
one of the other champions is he somebody he
should be worried about i think is a problem
for most people and not just because he's a freak
show tall like fandora doesn't use his height
no like he gives up that advantage all the time
and he just brawls on the inside so he can be
beat but he's pretty good on the inside for what
he is the more i watched from the world the more
he pissed me off Because I'm not even joking.
I love the kid. I think he's a really humble
fighter. I respect him a lot. I like watching
him. He's fun to watch. Except it's just his
body size is his potential that he has. I mean,
if he was with a different trainer, if he was
with freaking Sugar Hill, you know what I mean,
or even Robert Garcia, where they would utilize
his specialties, he would be a problem. Like,
dude, there's no hitting a guy that tall with
a damn good jab, you know what I mean? Like,
if he had a Tommy Hearns jab, oh, he would be
a killer. But he doesn't. He's an inside fighter
when he's 6 '7". Okay. I have a theory on this.
Because Fandora's the one that wears glasses,
right? Yes. I don't think Fandora can see far
enough to jab. Ooh. Oh, my God. I think he's
got bad eyes. If you see him with his glasses
on, they're pretty thick. Gabby has some pretty
thick glasses too. I just think Pandora can't
see that far. Holy shit. You just changed the
game for me. Holy crap. i didn't realize he probably
could have had a disability like i i legitimately
think that's part of why he fights the way he
does is that you can't wear contacts yeah like
that would be yeah i i think he has to get close
enough to see them before he can hit them okay
you know what you're right you're right i'm maybe
i'm being a little too harsh Everybody always
talks about it, but nobody brings up that he
has shit eyes. I literally never thought about
that. Honestly, I'm going to be honest. I just
thought it was like a, you know, like not a trend,
but what's the quote? What's the word? Fashion
statement? A fashion, you know, fashion thing.
I mean, obviously he's wearing glasses, but you
know, a lot of people, they wear the glasses
because, you know, it makes them look, you know
what I mean? Maybe, but like he wears them all
the time. I bet you he can't really read without
his glasses on. I think he's pretty blind. That's
so true. You know what? I kind of just showed
him a whole argument. Yeah. That changes the
way that I look at him altogether. Yeah. Actually,
yeah, exactly. You just blew my motherfucking
mind. I'm like, damn. Everybody's out here making
fun of a disabled guy for doing the best he can
with what he's been given. You're right. You're
right. I just... Damn. Damn. But you're right.
If he had a good jab, he'd be fucking unstoppable,
but I don't think he can see people to hit them.
Oh, yeah. That's sad. If that's the case, then
I wish he had better eyes. He could see Tim Zhu
because he was completely covered in blood, so
he was totally red, which stood out from everything
else. He'd be colorblind, too. Oh, man. Does
he even have eyes? He makes people wear little
bells so he can hear where they are. There have
been deaf fighters before, but a blind one, that's...
Have you ever watched the wheelchair boxing?
No, I've seen clips of it, but I haven't seen
it. That looks like madness. I don't know if
that's even a sport. It's fun. Yeah, no, my theory
is Fandora just has shit eyes. My theory is he
can't see far enough to jam people. Either way,
even with that, that kind of cements my point
even further than that. Again, I love the kid,
but I think he's pooed. I seriously think that
most people in that division eats him up. Virgil,
I think, kills him. Bokrum definitely knocks
him out. Tim Zhu, I think the whole Tim Zhu fight
was kind of... I get props for the kid, but Tim
Zhu was kind of on a... They got to do it again.
He was on a debuff. I think they should have
ran it back immediately after, but he was on
a debuff that whole fight with blood raining
in his eyes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Tim
Zhu was winning that fight until he got lightheaded
from loss of blood. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which kind
of sucks, but, you know. What can you do about
it? The fight's already over. It's passed. He's
got the titles. I'm still pissed off. I'm still
pissed off at Zeus Corner. And the ref. And the
doctor. Somebody should have fucking stopped
that fight and made it a no contest. At least
by round 5 or 6. You know what I mean? Early
decision. That cut, they should have just called
it there. No contest. That cut was huge. It was
going to rain in his eyes the whole fight. Any
idiot could see that. But the thing that makes
me laugh is that Tim Zu didn't run in the corner
mid -fight. He stood right there and fought,
even though he had blood in his eyes. That was
burning his eyes when a so -called tank couldn't
even handle the grease. He didn't take a knee,
didn't lean out and get his face wiped. Exactly,
yeah. I mean, fucking tank, he... I'm not going
to rant, I'm sorry. I'm about to go rant about
tank. This is not tank's time. This is Fundora's
time. Fundora, again, I think... If they want
to, they can make money off him by giving him
to a more profitable fighter that can make more
money, but we'll see. People have been saying
this forever, though. What? That he's food? Yeah.
People keep saying it, and he's only lost once.
The way he lost is kind of bad, though. Yeah,
but... I don't know. Where's the guy he lost
to done since? You know what I mean? Got his
ass kicked by Bo Huchuk? Yeah. Yeah, but Bo Huchuk's
a fucking tank. I don't care what anybody says.
But Bo Huchuk can eat some damn good shots. See,
that's the thing. I think that Bo Huchuk versus
Virgil fight was, like, not intended to be, um...
Like, what was the word? I think if Bo... Well,
not just that, but I think, um... Both fighters,
if they were more built up, like, I don't know.
I feel like that could have been, like, in a
different universe. A blockbuster, yeah. If a
lot of people were watching, it would have been
easily a blockbuster. You know what I mean? I
was excited for that fight. So was I. I guess
we're degenerates. We're sickos, so of course.
We're casual degenerates. Yeah. That was an amazing
day. That was an amazing day. Xander Zayas was
there. I assume he's with top rank. I assume
because he's next in line for WBO. I'm not sure.
Xander was really nice in his last outing against
Slowa. Was it Spomer? But I don't know. I think
Fandora could beat him. I think Fandora can beat
him. I think it's 50 -50. Really? I think it's
a competitive but clear win for Fundora. I think
Zayas is overrated. And I don't think he's rated
that high. He's not. But I still think he's overrated.
Most people in the division beat him as well.
I mean, it's two guys that are kind of not the
greatest. I mean, that always can't create a
good fight. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I
just, I think Fundora takes it. Yeah, I slightly
agree with you. I think maybe it's like 51 -49,
Fundora. Just because of his height. But you
can't count on Zayas. Fair enough. I would watch
that fight. I think it's a good matchup. Yeah,
I think it's a good one. What about Keith Thurman?
That seems like it's in the... Why is Keith Thurman
still around? Because he just beat Brock Jarvis.
Yeah, but come on, dude. Keith Thurman is way
past his prime. And the boxing theory that we
have for the hamper. Hamper. The unified boxing
laundry theory. The boxing laundry theory. He's
past the hamper. He's already in the washing
machine. He just hasn't been turned on yet. I
think he's in the thrift store, dog. They sold
him to Goodwill and then someone else bought
him. And now he's back. And they're going to
be used every so often. He's never going to stay
healthy long enough to do anything. Not anything
of note, anyway. it's sad but it's a big what
if keith thurman is a huge what if type of person
you never know maybe he can come back and win
no he's fucking yo i don't think he's either
but i mean what if he does he could pull manny
pacquiao pacquiao was built different like physically
built different pacquiao had very few injuries
his entire career and steroids I'm joking, I'm
joking. Are we though? I'm joking. I love Pacquiao.
So do I. But I'm sure he did. I always say it,
whoever your favorite fighter is, I'm not asking,
I'm saying your favorite fighter probably is
taking PEDs. Probably. It's more likely than
not. There is a really cool scientific paper
that I don't think is super scientific, but they
measured wrist size. in boxers and punching power
output and pacquiao's wrists are giant like his
bone structure is solid and his wrist size is
up in the heavyweight division size -wise and
that's why he hits like a brick yeah like he's
got huge wrists and calves his calves are crazy
yeah that's how he generates he was malnourished
Pacquiao with good nutrition throughout his childhood
was probably supposed to be like five inches
taller. Then you'd be a killer. A real, real
killer. Pacquiao's calf power and wrist thickness
punching power versus Isaac Cruz's neck. Who
do you got? You get Canelo. You get Canelo is
what you get if you put those two together. That's
crazy. I can't imagine that. Wow. So one thing
that they were talking about for Fundora, I think
it was just a general press release from the
camp. Whenever Spence dropped out the last time,
he said, I'll come back when I'm ready or whatever
the fuck. Spence is retired. Yeah. Fuck you,
Spence. It's, I think. That second car crash
fucked him again. He got in another one? Yeah.
Yeah, so he had the bad car crash. Then he had
the retina surgery. Then there was another car
crash a couple years ago. Wow. They should have
taken away his license. Well, he should stop
drinking and driving. Yeah, exactly. It's so
sad to think about what could have happened with
him and Crawford, really. Why the fuck just pay
someone to drive you home? Like, if you don't
want somebody driving your fucking fancy car,
put it on a trailer. Have it towed to your house.
You have millions of dollars. Don't be a fucking
idiot. Well, he did fight Crawford. Yeah, and
you saw how he looked in that fight. Yeah, he
did another, yeah. According to me, that fight's
still yet to happen, so I'm still excited for
that ring walk. I'll be ready. I'll be ready
with a sixer of something. Well, when... He was
supposed to fight Pacquiao, wasn't he? And that's
when he had the retina surgery? That's when Uga
stepped in, right? Yeah. Yes. I'm pretty sure
that's what happened. That's right. Honestly,
I think Pacquiao would have beat him. He had
a detached retina in his... Yeah. That's right.
I don't think Pacquiao would have beat him. Pacquiao
was way past his prime. Yeah, but Earl Spence
was fucked from the car crash and just had eye
surgery. Well, after that, I mean, Spence beat
Uga's pretty bad as well. I guess. You know what
I mean? I don't know. Maybe Pacquiao would have
won and would have stunned the world. That would
have been crazy. That would have been amazing.
In a different timeline, we really could have
seen Pacquiao, Crawford undisputed, 147. Holy
fuck, that would have been cool. I would have...
Crawford would have murdered him, but it would
have been cool. I think a wet dream of mine is
Crawford Pacquiao. I got to stop thinking about
it. I'm sorry. I'm trying to think. I need to
check who's in the WBC rankings. WBC, you said?
Yeah. So Virgil Ortiz is the interim champ. Sergei
Bohachuk is number one. Xander Zayas is number
two. Charles Conwell, Jesus Ramos, and Israel
Madrimov. That's... Wow. You got your work cut
out for you. Yeah. 154 is going to be the glamour
division. Yeah. This period. It already is, I
think. After Charlo, you've been a couple years
by me, too. Back. It's Ioannis Tellis. Tejas?
Tejas. What card was he on? Was it the Roach?
Was it? I don't know. Maybe it was on the Roach?
I think it was the Roach. I see his name on a
PVC card. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I recognize his
face, I think. The Roach or Benavidez. I don't
know why I said Kimo. I meant Benavidez. Sebastian
Fundura at the WBO. The interim champion is Terrence
Crawford. Xander Zayas is number one. Charles
Conwell is number two. Jorge Perez, I don't know
who this is, is number three. Josh Kelly and
Cordell Booker. Basically a bunch of top -ranked
guys, probably. Xander, yes. Charles Conwell's
Golden Boy. Josh Kelly, I think, is Queensberry.
I sometimes think Golden Boy is a little bit
of an arm. It's an extension of Top Rank. Oh.
I know it sounds silly, but I just always put
Oscar De La Hoya with Top Rank, you know what
I mean? Right. I don't know. It's hard to explain.
My reasoning with that is dumb. I will admit
it's very dumb to think like that. But people
who are listening, tell me how dumb I am. And
call in. 833 -589 -7637. I want to check. Because,
of course, the ideal is Mortizaliv for unification.
Or who's... WBA? Well, WBA was Crawford. Crawford,
that's right. So then they're going to have –
he's going to vacate the title. But who gets
the title then and vacates? Let's see. Right
now, Erickson Lubin is – for Mortazali of Erickson
Lubin, Josh Kelly, Xander Zayas, those are the
top three. Erickson Lubin is about to fight Ardriel
Holmes. Oh, IBF? Yeah, that'll be an IBF eliminator
for those two. What about the WBA? Yeah, let
me check. You can't use Boxer for that one, unfortunately.
Yeah, I'm going straight to the source. The WBA
has Abbas Baro, number two's not rated, and Erickson
Lubin, number three. I have Javon Estes at number
two. Oh, I see. I feel like, without even thinking
about it, he's probably a Cuban, huh? Yeah. Damn.
I'm good. His name is Ioannis. Yeah, of course
he's Cuban. Only other option would be Dominican.
Some sort of islander. Right. This website must
be older. Those are the options for... Man, Fundora,
that is not a list of names who want my head.
That's not a list of names that I would want
to see. To keep the title, definitely fight Xander.
But the thing is that everybody else has a really
good chance of beating his ass. Like, hard, too.
Yes. Virgil will kill him. I'm biased in this.
But I think Virgil is the top guy in the division.
I'm very, very biased, but I think he beats everybody
else. I like Virgil, but I don't know if he beats
everybody else. Who would beat Virgil? Bohojack
almost did. Yeah, I was going to say, like, I
think Mert. I think if they rematch. Mertaz,
Zaliev. Yeah. Mertz, Mertz, Mertz. Mertz, Zaliev.
I don't know I really like Virgil but sometimes
he's stupid like you can really get Virgil into
just a fight where he kind of shuts his brain
off and I think if you can take a bunch of punches
like you can get your punches in back I will
say that his last fight Virgil I'll be honest
his last fight was really good I think he showed
me a lot of defensive maneuvers that I didn't
think he had before. Yeah, he is improving. I
do agree with you in the aspect, like, before,
that he would just resort to straight -up, straightforward
Mexican fighting when things got rough, especially
with Boachuk. Because you guys remember in the
first couple rounds, Virgil was kind of boxing.
He was boxing pretty well. No, no, with Boachuk.
Oh, yes. And then Boachuk cracked him and got
him to just shut his fucking brain off. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, he just stopped after that. Which
the thing is that, I mean, Virgil's never been
a boxer like that, like slick. But, I mean, it
was interesting to see for a couple rounds. And
he did pretty good for what he did. In that aspect,
like, and only that aspect, he reminds me of
Arturo Gatti. He could box. If he wanted to,
and if you could get him to decide to box, he'd
be way better, but he just fights. Like, Gaddy
in the second half of his career, when he started
boxing, looked good. He looked slick. But then
you throw him in with Mickey Ward, and he just
shuts his brain off and does the stupidest shit
you've ever seen in the ring. See, I agree with
you. I agree with you. Because Virgil, if you
watch the way Virgil boxed, he... He boxed pretty
well. He had some things he needed to fix, but
the way that Boa took him back to reality was
just sad. You know, kind of sad to see. Because
he could have lost that fight really easily.
Especially near the later half. Because he was
getting really tired. You know? Yeah. I really
like Virgil Ortiz, but I think he's a little
hit or miss whether he's actually going to use
his head or not. You know, during the Bevo -Betterbeave
card with him and Madrimov, you guys have probably
seen this clip many times, but that one moment
where he pulled down Madrimov's hand. Yeah. That
was beautiful, huh? I said this last podcast.
That was beautiful. It was so great. It's always
nice. Yeah. But, like, Madrimov never hit him.
enough to get him to to fight because madrimov
only boxes but if you throw him in with another
fighter i don't know i think you could still
trick virgil into being stupid i don't even know
what kind of fighter madrimov is some fights
he's a boxer some fights he's just a puncher
his last couple fights he's been a boxer though
but but he's never a fighter he's either a boxer
or a boxer puncher, but he's never a fighter.
If you stick Virgil back in with Boa Chuck, it's
going to be the same. Virgil's going to shut
his brain off and do something stupid. Yeah.
I kind of agree. I agree and disagree at the
same time. But I'm very biased in that aspect
because I love Virgil. I really like Virgil.
I'm just saying that you can trick him into being
stupid. I love Virgil. I'm super biased. what
do you think leo um i think it's an interesting
point to say virgil is the top of the division
right now that really stood out to me because
it's it's definitely arguable um based but that's
based off of like potential right the eye test
stuff that we tried i try not to get myself drawn
into because right now Who has the wins? Who
has the belts? Sebastian Fundura. Oh, come on,
dude. I think that if they were to fight, I would
very much lean towards Virgil, like, really heavily.
I think Virgil probably wins, but I think it
becomes a fight. I think Fundura tricks him into
just standing and trading blows. And if you're
going to do that, you can get knocked out. No,
see... See, the thing is, I kind of disagree
with you because I know you say that Fandora's
the man because he has the belt, but the way
he got the belt wasn't in the most legit aspect.
Again, he earned it, but the thing is, he earned
it against a new, a Tim Zhu that was, that he
couldn't even properly function in the fight.
Right. You know what I mean? So I think it's,
I think we might need more time to see how Fandora
is against a higher level opposition. Because
Cordell Booker ain't it. No. Now, Bokrum fought
a healthy Tim Zoo and knocked him the fuck out.
Yes. Now, that one, Virgil's biggest opposition
is going to be Bokrum. No doubt about it. I don't
know if that was a healthy Tim Zoo, a physically
healthy Tim Zoo, but he was fucking shook about
head clashes. He was worried. Yeah, that's true.
Like, that got in Zu's head. I'm interested to
see if he gets over it. He might just be ruined
mentally. Yeah, that happens to a lot of boxers,
you know. Sometimes it's inevitable. Can't come
back from it. Sad, but it just happens. Yeah,
well, and I'm not, like, making fun of him or
anything, but he looked scared every time their
heads clashed. And with Baccarin? Yes. That was
the last fight, right, Leo? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
like, they had a head clash, and Zu backed way
up, and he was pawing at his head with his glove
and checking for blood, and it wasn't even a
bad head clash. It was pretty minor. Sports therapy.
That's what that's for. Yeah, I'm just saying,
like, I think Tim Zu has a mental... Yeah, mental
block. trauma from that cut which i don't blame
him that was disgusting and i'm sure that hurt
yeah it was definitely one of the worst cuts
i've seen in the last 20 years well and it opened
back up afterwards too because he had to delay
that fight because it didn't heal properly yet
yeah i mean let me tell you it was fun to watch
but it was also very hard to watch It wasn't
fun for me to watch. I like bloody, like, drag
-out fights, but that was just unnecessary. I
watched Muay Thai, and that was hard to watch.
Yeah, that was so much blood. That was disgusting.
I don't know what the fuck the doctor was doing.
I don't know what the fuck Tim Zhu's corner was
doing. Zhu's not gonna say he can't fight, but
his corner could have said, our boy can't fight
with that cut. Like, that's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, that's sad. That was like BK bare knuckle
FC levels of fucking horror. Disgusting. Yeah.
Yeah. Last words. Last words for Sebastian Fedora
and Cordell Booker. I mean, Fedora looked good,
but you expected him to. Right. Especially against,
yeah, Cordell Booker. It's unfortunate. He did
what he was supposed to do. Yes. Yeah. You retain
his titles. Take notes, Cambosos. That's how
you're supposed to do it. Yeah, you don't go
to a fucking decision with a late replacement
that's not that good. All right, let me do this.
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Alright, cool. Into the previews. Uh, Queensberry.
This is a... I've been calling this Ape Day.
Instead of May Day, it's April 5th. There's a
lot of good fights on. I thought you were calling
them monkeys. No. No. Apes. Like April. Or it
could be Ape Day because we're going to be all
chimping out watching these. But in Manchester
at the Co -op Live, Queensberry. I'm only going
to pick the top three that I think are really
worth paying attention to. From the bottom up,
Jack Rafferty versus Corey O 'Regan. This is
for the 140 -pound Commonwealth title. Is it
that great of a fight? No, not really. But this
Jack Rafferty, he's going to be coming into your
feed soon, so start paying attention a little
bit. On Boxwork, these could be the same person
in two different pictures. Generic British man
number two, please. Moving up, David Adelaide
versus Jimmy, I think it is. I bet you it's Jamie.
I think that's what I thought. I'm betting that's
just Jamie spelled funny. And that's for the
British heavyweight title. Again, same situation.
These are guys that are going to come into your
feeds soon enough. Adelaide is pretty well -known,
isn't he? Yeah, he's been around a bit. I've
never seen his alias. He is Big D. Big D? That
is an interesting name right there. That's what
Dudley Dursley went by. with his uh with his
gang uh main event joe joyce versus philip hergovich
10 rounds at heavyweight did you see the video
they put out to hype this of them fighting i
assume in the amateurs maybe that doesn't sound
like it would be very good no but joe joyce looks
like like You know those men that look like babies,
but they're full -grown men? Like, their face
looks like a baby? Yes. Joe Joyce looks so young
on this giant body, and it's fucking hilarious.
Fun. I don't know what to say about this. I don't...
Is... I feel like Joe Joyce is kind of done.
He's like 40 years old, which... That's the...
later stages for heavyweights, but I don't know.
I think he's done. I like Joe Joyce. I'm going
to watch this. I want him to win. But yeah, I
agree. He's not going to get back to world level.
Usually, I would queue up the Joe Joyce theme
song, but I need to get like a down -tempo sort
of sad version. Oh. No. All right, moving on.
Top rank in Astana, Kazakhstan. Motherfucking
only two fights on here that I recognize. That's
Baturzan Jukambayev versus Kane Gardner. I think
it's Kane. It might be Kane. But Baturzan, he's
a Pro Box alumni, so check him out. He's fun
to watch. And Johnny Beck, Alim Kanuli versus
Anuel. Oh, man. I struggled with this on... It's
hard to say. Boxing Before Dark. Ngami Senge.
I think that was it. Ngami Senge. Sounds good.
That'll work. Let me know if I've messed that
up. I'll definitely be watching that fight. I
love watching you get in a big fight. Yeah, Johnny
Beck's cool. I think he's one of the most underrated
title holders in boxing right now. You know?
Yeah, I like watching Janabek. Yeah. You know?
He's what Hamdashiraz is talking about. Like,
you know how people say Hamdashiraz is this,
this, and that? Janabek is that. Hamdashiraz
is Shadas. All right. So he is him? Is that what
we're... Oh, he is him. Janabek is him. He is
him. I love Janabek. I have a pretty controversial
opinion about Janabek. I honestly think that
he has the potential to beat Canelo. Ooh, that
is a little controversial. That's a hot one.
If he goes up to 168, if he goes to 168, he beats
Canelo, I think. Canelo struggles really hard
against boxers, and a boxer with some power like
that, like Janabek, Canelo is going to, I don't
know. It will be a fun fight to watch for sure.
Canelo did beat two boxers, though. Lately, though?
Huh? Oh, lately? No. Johnny Beck, I would say,
is not as slick as Caleb Plant or even... About
to throw up in my own mouth saying this. Billy
Joe Saunders is a little bit more slick than
that. Yeah, but that's a different Canelo than
what we got now. Oh, right. That was Canelo.
This is Dinero. Yeah. This is post -vivo Canelo.
Right. Also, I have a theory about Canelo. I
think... Can I say it? Go on. I think... Canelo,
he could lose his next fight. And the only reason
why I think that is because there's a Marvel
movie releasing that same week. And there's an
MCU movie. And I think the last time that happened
was with people. That is the dumbest correlation
I have ever heard. No, okay, okay. Hold on, hold
on, hold on, hold on. I think it might have some
merit. It might have some... Well, obviously,
Canelo's gonna win, but if he loses, it's because
there's an MCU movie releasing that week. It's
because of Marvel. Yeah. What movie's releasing?
The Thunderbolts. I have not even heard of this
one. That sounds terrible. I like comics and
I haven't heard of this. I'm excited to see...
I'm excited to see a fight in Kazakhstan. I want
to see what a Kazakh crowd looks like. You should
go watch it. I should go? I don't think... I
don't think women do very well in Kazakhstan
by themselves. Oh, you're probably right. Yeah,
it's a date. LVX will pay for it. Totally. There
you go. Yeah, there you guys see. Business right
off. My expense account is all but ready for
this. Moving on. Let's save that one for the
end. And we'll go to the next top -ranked card.
Same day. This one's going to be... The top -ranked
in Kazakhstan is going to be starting around
2 on the West Coast. 2 in the afternoon. Queensberry
starts at about 11. So, with the way the cards
line up, you should be getting to the end of
the Queensberry card. At the time that the end
of the Kazakhstan card comes up. And then that
will carry you into... Ah, fuck it. We'll do
it in the order I have it here. PVC on Prime
coming from... What is this? Broadmeadow, New
South Wales. So this one I picked out again.
Just cherry -picked on my way up. Andre Mikhailovich.
This is the guy that just fought Johnny Beck.
So he's fighting on this card at six rounds.
How the mighty fall. Damn. That's bad. I didn't
even notice that. I remember when there were
people making edits of him. Right. You guys remember
that one edit where that guy was talking shit
to him? And then you beat them the fuck up. And
then they got beat up by Jannabek. Yep. Dad.
Jannabek's is only lost, too. It's really weird
to go down to six rounds. Let me make sure that's
not a typo on my part, because I'm very professional.
No. BoxRec says six rounds. BoxRec has it open.
Yeah. That's crazy. That is unfortunate. Maybe
they just couldn't find anybody to fight him.
Blake Wells is the only one that could step up.
I have no idea who Blake Wells is. I assume I've
never seen him before. Let's have a look. 11
and 2. That's not horrible. He's never fought
outside of Australia. There you go. That's Andrei
Mikhailovich. Yeah, I'm guessing this is the
best they could do. His last two fights were
at a hotel. At the Pullman. That's not good.
No. Moving up to Cohen Mazudier versus Dan Hill.
That's at 154. Mazudier's an Australian 154 guy
coming up. He's alright. I would say better than
Cambosos. Honestly. Better. Is he gonna beat
somebody good? Depends. Are they gonna be in
the middle of a depressive episode? In the throes
of bipolar disorder? In the middle of a divorce
and fucking all kinds of other shit? At the same
time? Probably not. So he's probably not gonna
win. Yeah, I don't know if... This guy's not
that good. No. I'm really trying to jazz this
one up, but. He lost to Nikita Zoo. That's where
I saw him. He's not that good. If you guys are
saying that, I'll go for the underdog and I'll
root for him. He's going to win. Watch. Oh, I'm
pretty sure he's going to win this. I think Dan
Hill is in over his head. But then again. Dan
Hill has less losses. Oh, well. Then might as
well be the top of the division at this point.
Just saying. He's got less losses. He also fought
at a hotel his last fight. And Tim Zhu versus
Joey Spencer headlining. Tim Zhu has to look
really good. Tim Zhu's got to knock him out in
the first half of the fight. This is a must win
for Tim Zhu. Not just win, but win really decisively,
really emphatically. There's no room for error
right now with Tim Zhu. He's got to win people
back. Right. Yeah. I saw that Zhu has banned
his father from attending his fights as well.
Really? Yeah, they don't get along. They don't
get along. They were estranged for a long time.
They had just started talking again, and Costa
Zhu was at his last fight. But before the fight,
Kostas Zu said in an interview, I think maybe
in Russian, that his son wasn't ready for that
fight and was like really talking shit. And then
he was ringside and Tim looked like shit. Tim
always loses when his dad's there. But was Tim
Zu, he usually works with his uncle, right? Is
that wrong? I don't think it's uncle. Yeah, I
don't. I don't know if he works with any of his
family, but I do know him and his dad have not
good history. Yeah. And his dad was at the Myrta
Zalia fight, and Kim Zoo's head was just fucked
for that fight. He looked bad. A lot of pressure,
plus the recent events. Yeah. Well, and Kosta
Zoo is not a supportive father in any... Thing
I've ever seen so fucking fathers at its finest
Like real bad. Yeah, I am a hundred percent sure
that Costanzo had Quite a bit of family problems
But anyways Tim Tim has banned him from the events
again, so maybe that will help Yeah, good Joey
Spencer. I hope Tim looks good. Yeah, I do too.
Tim looks good. As much as I like to clown on
him. We need an Australian to clown on. I like
to clown on him. Yeah, Moses is going away. Because
he's Australian, that's really the only reason.
And just because Ruby would get all up in her
feelings about it whenever I do it. So I'd need
her to come back. She is so dramatic. I shit
on Obitai and she gets mad. She gets big mad.
Oh, yeah. Sometimes she'll come and DM me about
what dicks you guys are. Oh. Obitai's not the
greatest, so. I don't know who Joey Spencer is.
Yeah, you don't. To be honest. He's okay. He's
from Fenton? He's just been floating around PBC
cards for a while. So, no surprise here. An appetizer?
Yeah. They're trying to spin this. He lost to
Jesus Ramos, if that puts him into any kind of
perspective. Jesus isn't terrible. No, he's not.
Other than this is a get -back, this is something
Tim Zhu really needs. I do not begrudge him taking
a less -than -stellar opponent for this situation.
Because Joey Spencer is the kind of guy that
you could spin as being more than he is. And
I think that's what's happening here. Yeah, he's
19 -1. He's got 11 knockouts. On paper, he looks
decent. They need to build him up to be some
fearsome enemy so that Tim Zhu can dominate him
and get his confidence back. At least that's
what I think is happening. And Joey Spencer gets
a free trip to Australia. Free trip to Australia.
Sounds like a win -win. Gets paid. Sounds like
a good time. Gets to be on TV. Yep. Looking at
these names, I don't think he's probably been
on TV before. He has. Oh, maybe at the Armory?
Yes. When he fought Jesus Ramos, when he fought
at the Armory after that. Fair enough. I didn't
go down far enough. I'm just pretty sure that
the Dort Financial Center in Flint, Michigan
doesn't broadcast their fights. Or the Linden
High School. Linden High School? Probably not.
Dort Financial Center? Yes. That's on DAZN. That
hardly counts. It counted for me because I watched
it. Anyways, I hope Tim Zhu looks good. So the
timeline, Queensberry starting at 11, should
be wrapping up about the time the main events
start for Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan card should
be wrapping up. about the time the televised
portion like the main card main part of the card
starts in australia which should be wrapping
up about the same the main the same time like
the main card begins for the top ranked card
in las vegas this is like a prospects delight
um jahai tucker Art Barrera Jr., fucking DJ Zamora.
Oh, he doesn't go by DJ anymore. Steve Navarro.
A lot of these dudes are always on the undercards
of top rank. What really matters, Abdullah Mason
versus Carlos Ornelas. Ten rounds at 135. Originally
Giovanni Cabrera. Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure
it was Giovanni Cabrera that dropped out, correct?
I knew it was a replacement. I didn't know it
was this one. Am I wrong or am I thinking of
a different fight? I don't know off the top of
my head, so you might be right. I remember talking
to the guys that it was... I mean, for Abdullah
Mason, that's a really good step up early in
his career. Because Williams had paid a problem
last year. That's right. And knocked him out.
Abdul Mason is, I think, 19 right now. And fighting
him at that stage, would have been amazing to
see him knock him out. You know what I mean?
Yeah. I'll tell you, Abdul Mason is going to
be the real deal. I'm banking hard on him right
now. You are right. He was supposed to fight
Cabrera. That would have been really good. If
he won, of course. It's boxing, so you never
know. But it is Giovanni Cabrera. Ornelas isn't
terrible. I don't recognize his name. Never fought
outside of Mexico, but considering how big Mexico
is, doesn't really... Yeah, that doesn't mean
as much as never fighting outside of Australia
or Thailand or something. Yeah, it's different.
He's okay. He probably has good pop. Yeah. Right.
Depends why, I don't know. Four losses, three
losses by KO. He's 15 for 28 on stoppages. Okay.
I kind of expect Abdullah to knock him out. Yeah,
that's what I'm expecting as well. Pretty easily
as well. It's all right. Abdullah Mason looking
awesome is always a good thing in my book. Okay,
help me out with Spanish again. So Carlos Ornelas,
his alias is Chinito. Because in Japanese, chin
means penis. So that's a little penis if I mix
my two languages together. I'm going to be able
to bleep myself on this. So El Chinito is like
calling somebody like the little Chinese person,
the little ****. Because they got almond eyes.
That was my other guess. He does. That's all
it is. Take a distinctive feature and make it
your nickname. That's getting on the Patreon
right there. Yeah. It's the only place you'll
hear that. It just made me laugh because in Japanese,
chin is penis. Yes. So, small penis. I'm going
to use that with my Japanese friend. Well, the
Ito is Spanish, though, so he probably won't
get it. Oh, that's a lot of good boxing talk
right there. Yeah, I know. We'll see how much
of that ends up. Sorry. No, it's fine. We can
get back on topic. Richard Torres. No, I like
his dick talk. It's nice. After doing that one
and a half hours of boxing talk, you have some
willy talk. Willie Pep. Willie Pep. There you
go. There you go. All right. It's fucking Richard
Torres versus Guido Vianello in the main event.
It's a 10 -rounder. How quickly does Richard
Torres stop him? I'm banking on a stoppage, and
I'm thinking it's going to be a bit late. I was
just thinking five. Yeah. Fifth round. I'm going
to bet on it goes to Decision. Wow. Not because
he's not good, but I don't know. Isn't the guy
ranked on BoxRec like 78? Guido? Yeah, Guido.
You might look on his BoxRec. He's ranked 78.
You might have the wrong Guido. Yeah, he's 25.
Oh, he's 25? Yeah. Oh, shit. It's even crazier.
Richard Torres is... What's his record, then?
He is 13 -2 -1. Okay, well, how did he lose the
two times? One by knockout, one by split decision.
It was a close decision to FA at Jogba. Oh. Oh,
okay. No, I'd say it's probably a different Guido,
then. There is a surprising amount of Guidos
that box. Yeah. I did not know it was a name.
I didn't either. Until recently. Like, I always
heard it as a slur. But it's just a first name
in Italy. We do. Yeah. In North America, it's
a slur. In Italy, it's a first name. Like, a
very common first name. Yeah. Like, calling all
Mexicans Jose, I guess. That's like cat by family
right there, though. Just saying. Richard Torres,
12 -2 -0. Of those 12 wins, 11 by knockout. Some
of them have been against scrubbity scrubs. Most
of them have been against pretty scrubs. Yeah.
One of them is going to be fighting Wilder. Who's
fighting Wilder? Henderson? I don't know who
it is, but it's nobody that they kind of dug
up for him. Yeah. I mean, that's how Wilder's
doing with that. I don't know if Richard Torres
is going to be among the elite, but he'll be
in the contention for the title every now and
then, probably in the future. I like Richard
Torres. I do, too. I like him, too. He's a pretty
good guy. I follow him on Instagram. He seems
nice. Yeah. He takes dance lessons. It's very
cute. Tap recitals. Every once in a while, he
puts up videos of him practicing his tap dancing.
You know who else was a tap dancer? Gregory Robinson.
Really? Tap? Yeah. I didn't know that. I always
say the Cubans have such nice footwork because
they do salsa. Salsa is some complicated footwork.
Yeah, that's pretty good reasoning right there.
Richard Torres looks like you could place him
in the late 80s, early 90s and put him against
George Foreman. Yep, 100%. I don't know, it just
reminds me of that every time I see him. He looks
like a typical, like, top -ranked 90s fighter.
He kind of looks like a bunch of my dad's friends
in the 80s. Like, you could sepia him a little
and put him in those pictures. It would be perfect.
He needs to buy bell bottoms. So, like, 80s brown
bell bottoms with, like, a jacket and shit. Be
good. Well, anything more for the ape day? I'm
excited. I'm going to have to stay awake from,
like, 2 a .m. to fucking 2 p .m., though, which
is hard. Worth it. Worth it. I guess. I'll do
it, but it's hard for me. I'm old. Oh, speaking
of staying up all night, I just got a text from
my Japanese, my old man, Japan Bar, and they're
like, okay, guys, there's times for the Inoue
fights in May. Who wants a seat? I was like,
Jesus fuck. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I already saved
a seat. so i'm good but and they're like yeah
usual time which i think the usual time american
cards usually start about 2 a .m here so i'm
just gonna have to go to tokyo and spend the
night at the bar oh no it's a whole night yeah
being away from my own bed overnight it's not
very fun And then you got to ride that first
train with all the super drunk kids on Sunday
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into Ape Day. Parting words. Is the weather getting
nice in America yet? Is it warming up? It's getting...
It's already starting to become insufferable
here. But I also... You're in Arizona. Yeah,
it's also getting warm here. Where am I? It's
pretty cold. Go do something outside is my parting
words. Go for a walk. I'm gonna go cook outside
again. That's what I'm gonna do. Are you cooking
ramen? No, not this time. Setting you up for
an advertisement slot. Yeah, I do use the products
that I advertise. That's the whole fucking point.
You're so bad at these, Leo. I know. I set you
up all the time. Oh, well, let me hold up the
bag that I just so happen to have with me. You
can use the dried egg and the beef mix, and it
makes for a really good, rich, and hearty broth.
I'm terrible. All right. Well, Alex, you got
anything? I have a barbecue for apetite. Enjoy
it. You got to wait till the following week.
Oh, it's coming up soon. We'll talk about the
next podcast. For sure. I am going to quote big
George Foreman here. Heroes always have their
scars. Some you can see, some you read about
later on. I just thought that was nice. We haven't
had a memorial yet, huh? Not here. Oh, shit.
Rest in peace, Big Torch Foreman. You know. He
was one of the greatest of all time. He really
was. Here's another good one that I found of
his just now. Sure, the fight was fixed. I fixed
it with the right hand. Fucking baller ass. That
was good. I think George has some great one -liners.
Oh, yeah. All right. Well, with that, we're out
of here. See you next time. Bye. welcome to the
fucking show all right just a quick blurb uh
just so you can get back to what you were doing
uh why would a boxing fan let's just let's assume
assume they're like a purist or some shit why
would they want to watch mma why would they want
to listen to an mma show i'm going to come out
this from sort of like a primal level so i will
admit there are like some very unique and like
stark differences between mma and boxing and
it seems like one of the main things that uh
keeps boxing fans away from mma is the grappling
aspect and yes sometimes it can be you know a
lay and pray uh type of fight and it can get
old but man like it's just instinctual man some
of these people the way they find an mma Is just
brutal. And I feel like that's what it comes
down to. When it comes to being a combat fan.
A combat sports fan. I mean. We saw just recently.
Mauricio Rufi. Versus Bobby Green. Spinning back.
Or spinning a wheel kick. Man. I mean they went
viral. And it's something that everyone can appreciate.
Even boxing fans. I know a few. I have a few
friends that are boxing fans. who I sent him
that clip. I mean, and they were amazed. One
even told me that they wish they would have seen
it live because seeing that type of stuff live
just elicits a euphoric feeling that you can't
get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too, whenever
you see an amazing fight. But I just got to say,
in MMA, you get those type of fights as well,
just in a different type. It's different, but
sort of the same. It's sort of weird how I describe
it, but it's different, but the same. It comes
down to that same like carnal or primal instinct
of just like fights. Yeah, I always think like
the biggest, the easiest transition that I always
recommend, I say this all the time on Ultimate
Fucking Casuals, is if you're not too keen on
the grappling, Muay Thai and kickboxing. are
exactly where you want to start. Like, you start
working on the kicks, the elbows, the knees,
all that stuff, and you can come to learn to
appreciate grappling. I never thought I would,
and here I am. Yeah. Like I said, some of it
is very boring, some of the grappling. It depends
on the fighters, but sometimes, man, there's
boring boxing fights all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
no, yeah, you're true. I mean, you're right.
But, man, some of these grapplers, man, these
scrambles that they do, it is, like, pretty crazy
just to see it. Like, you know, rolling around
the floor. I mean, you can see the stuff that
they're doing in between the scrambles. I mean,
it's sort of crazy. Flipping someone over, the
trips. I mean, it can be fun. But, yeah, you're
right. The easiest transition is definitely start
out with Muay Thai, kickboxing, and, you know,
slowly work your way into MMA. And, you know,
this is the thing about the ultimate fucking
casuals. We will let you know which fights are
going to be good. Which ones, you know, if you're
not too in tune with the grappling, we can get
maybe a little tag or a little asterisk on certain
fights saying, like, this is a boxing purist
type of fight. You can watch this and enjoy this.
Like, we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try.
Like, I came into this. The whole show was started
with me. I didn't know shit. about MMA I'd never
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
entire life and I came into this with nothing
and yeah that's where we're at now is like we're
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
that people know like this for boxing fans to
know this is what this is where you can start
all right well yeah that was about it um I really
appreciate your time Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.