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me know. The B -side in boxing. B -side shit.
B -side. B -side. And the B -side. Don't brag
about taking my side piece. Don't brag about
taking my side piece. That B -side thing. This
is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast. I left with his
belt and his girl. Oh, man. You know, I think
the name came together really nicely. Boxing
Before Dark. yeah i think we're cooking with
something here but the internet has ruined me
did you notice what the bbd i did yeah i yeah
i thought about it from side pieces to bbds yeah
i i saw it and i thought about it i'm like you
know what i i don't care i'm going with it yeah
it's it'll be part of the charm it made me laugh
it's all good boxing before dark uh I was going
to put that on there to set up a formal introduction
at some point. Man, I got to do an interview
today and it was really fucking cool. It was
with an author. His name is Clay Risen. He wrote
this book called Red Scare. It's a book about
McCarthyism and how it's starting to crop back
up. McCarthyism for the uninitiated. It's like
back in the 40s and 50s after post -World War
II. there was the immediate aftermath where being
a communist was like being the devil, pretty
much. So that's what McCarthyism, that term means,
like the witch hunt for alleged communists or
alleged gay people and vilifying and driving
them out of public life. Sorry, I thought I recognized
his name. Is he the guy who writes about bourbon?
Yes. I completely forgot to ask him about that.
As soon as we hung up, I was like, shit, he has
like five fucking books on bourbon. I need to
ask him about this. I will say that's the one
thing I am slightly missing. It's not that it
makes any difference in Japan, but I have also
not been buying the American alcohols out of
solidarity. I miss bourbon. Nobody makes bourbon
like the Americans. Yeah, that's our thing. they
don't the japanese or not the irish or scott
scottish god what's wrong with me um they don't
call it scotch everyone else does because it's
yeah they just call it single malt or whatever
yeah and well canada does have some smaller brewer
distilleries i guess um that are making bourbon
like drinks they have to call them bourbon like
bourbons made in america yeah if it doesn't come
from the bourbon region of kentucky uh then it's
just corn whiskey yeah spicy corn water yeah
yeah that's i can't fucking stand people that
do that they're all pedantic like that I finally,
this even hurts more because I finally found
a bottle of Blanton's to buy, which is my favorite.
It's fucking expensive now. I'm going to sound
like such a hipster douche, but I found it when
it was still cheap and now they've gotten popular.
It's like $200 a bottle. Okay, what? Yeah, I
won't be buying it anyways, boycott or not. Don't
recall. I think the most I've ever spent on a
single bottle is like $120. I bought gift bottles
that were $200. Like birthday, anniversary, whatever.
But yeah, no. Not usually. Well, Red Scare from
the bourbon guy. That'll be coming out. Part
of the Lux Media family, Progressive Patriots.
going to be the first episode in like two months.
So, whatevs. You're getting all the other podcasts
rolling again. I'm trying to. Try my best. One
last push, I suppose. The one card in Tokyo.
Did you end up catching it? Well, everything
except the main event. I was watching it at work
and I ran out of time. But the one card seemed
a lot more fun. than other MMA. There's way less
wrestle fucking. Yeah. I do not like the UFC.
The one card was really fun. The atmosphere was
good. The one kid came out dressed as Luffy from
One Piece. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, he's real
tall and skinny. I don't know anybody's name.
I know who you're talking about. Yeah. He looked
like Fundora, but Asian. That's... Exactly what
I was thinking as I was watching him. He's like,
he's six foot four fights at 135. Like, man,
you've got plenty of weight classes to go. Yeah,
I missed the main, but I did see that Rod Tang
just destroyed that kid. What I'm told from like
somebody who's a little bit, Zoe, I think it
was, he's a little bit more in depth with. the
MMA stuff than I am. It was that Takeru, the
Japanese kickboxer, he had been still doing hard
sparring up to like a week, week and a half before
the fight. And he had a lingering injury that
he didn't disclose. If you're injured, pull out
of the fight or no excuses. Right. If you walk
out, you don't have any excuses. I also just
really like Rod Tang, so I wasn't too sad. He's
a fucking monster. Yeah, Rod Tang. In the co
-main, the guy, the very slender man, his name
is Nibel Anan. He's, I think, like, Thai and
Algerian or something. I don't know. I think
that's what they were saying. But he fought Superlek,
who's another Muay Thai. I recognize that name.
Yeah, he's a Muay Thai monster as well. I think
that he's called like the kicking machine or
something. And that is like where who the fuck
is this? This is not super like he looks like
lethargic. Well, he must be old now. He's about
30. Really? Which is old when you're doing Muay
Thai. Yeah, but I hadn't realized he was that
young. Because Luffy guy is like 20 or 21. How
old is Rod Tang? Rod Tang must actually be old.
He's older for sure. I think he's going to be
finding his way out of the sport kind of soon.
So enjoy him while you can. Rod Tang's 27? Is
he? He looks old as shit. Is Rod Tang his real
name? Like he's Rod Tang Jitmongnong or something?
Yeah, the last name. It's his gym or his sponsor
or whatever. Okay, but I mean, like, I haven't
found the wrong guy. Yeah, that's the right one.
He's 27. No fucking way. He looks like he's 37.
Well, I thought he'd been fighting for like 10
years. He very well may have. They start really
young there. That's crazy. I thought he was older
than me for sure, which would make him ancient.
But I guess not. I think that they still have
the mileage on them, and that's why they may
seem older than they are. Yeah. Yeah. That is
surprising. Anyways, yeah, you've been telling
me to try the one instead of UFC, and it does
look way more fun. Yeah. I also have decided,
now that I've seen all my boxers, I should...
go to either a one card or a rising card in japan
the crowd seems more fun rising i think would
be more just because it's a lot more homegrown
yeah well and i might meet some low -class friends
yeah boxing is for the businessmen boxing is
fairly high class elite kind of stuff in tokyo
that's the feel it has there's There's people
scattered around, but it feels fancy, which is
weird. It is. I have always heard it called the
gentleman's sport. Yeah, but that's not really
true. No, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Exactly.
Like thinking of Tijuana ballroom or bar rooms,
not ballrooms. Maybe it is a ballroom. Who knows?
Or like. The British cards, it does not seem
like it's the gentlemen that are showing up to
watch. No, it's the hooligans. But yeah, no,
the one I do not like mixed martial arts, but
that one card seemed pretty fun. I have a little
thing that I did with Isaac. We have a little
cross promo thing that I play at the end of the
boxing shows, which is like what? What would
you tell a boxing fan, like a purist type of
mentality? What can they get out of watching
one FC UFC? UFC has got too much wrestling in
it now for me. It's not, not fun. Even the strikers,
they, they wrestle a lot, but the kickboxing,
there's no wrestling when they fall down, they
stand them back up. Usually. Yeah. Yeah. So,
yeah. It's stand -up fighting with kicks, which
is fun. And the kicks are super impressive sometimes.
There was one guy on there. His name was Jonathan
DiBella. He's a smaller weight class, but his
boxing is super crisp. Usually, whenever you're
talking about... MMA guy or kickboxing or whatever
and you say oh their boxing is really good and
usually they're pretty sloppy they just have
like a decent jab or it's just really basic fundamentals
but DiBella is really good if he could plant
his feet you could very well be looking at a
boxer right there very few that get that acclaim
from me I've, I think I've only got two, three
that I've ever, Jonathan DeBell is three, three
of three. But yeah, I tell everybody if you're
trying, if you want to get into more combat sports
and you're a boxing head, Muay Thai is the, Muay
Thai, kickboxing is the easiest alternative to
start with because it's, it's boxing, but with
kicks added. And then Muay Thai. Yeah, because
they wear, like, boxing -style gloves, too, so
there can't be any grappling. Right. And then
if you want to move a little further, Muay Thai,
they add the elbows and the knees. And they can
do a little bit of clinching, but you have to
be actively working in a clinch, or else they'll
split you up. And they still stand them up when
they get thrown. Right. If there's, like, trips
or pushes or anything that you stand up immediately,
like, they do still have the 10 -count knockdown.
But it has to be a very clear and obvious knockdown.
A usual technique is like in Muay Thai, they
throw a kick and it gets caught. And as they're
holding it, they throw a punch over the top.
And then that usually sends the guy down. And
that's like a knockdown. Yeah, because my biggest
problem with mixed martial arts is the ground
game. I just find it boring as fuck. And there
are submission grappling competitions on 1FC,
which is just pure grappling. And it's paradoxical
because I have the same problem with ground game
stuff in UFC. But submission grappling, it's
like watching master chefs cook. Yeah, I say
this all the time when I'm making arguments with
people. Grappling is like soccer. I'm sure it
takes a whole bunch of skill. I sure as hell
couldn't do it. People love it. It's super popular.
I think it's boring as hell to watch. Yeah. You're
either going to get it or you don't. You can
be brought onto it, but you've got to be... You've
got to want it or it's not going to happen. Because
it can be pretty homoerotic. Very. which i'm
not against i love reading homoerotic comics
but watching it on tv is weird yeah not quite
my thing oh man the big news deep sigh george
foreman uh we mentioned it the last time uh just
kind of in passing that an acknowledgement but
holy cow looking into his life this I didn't
realize how much he had transcended the sport.
Yeah. George Foreman was a phenomenon for a while,
and I hadn't realized he had multiple TV shows.
Really? He had, like, it's only one season. I
think it got canceled pretty quick. But Family
Foreman was him and his family, but, like, a
scripted TV show. And there was also one just
called George. that was a sitcom as well scripted
family show so yeah it's like a sitcom like but
with all his kids i never watched it but it it
looks like it was written kind of like sanford
and sons maybe did you remember that one yeah
but like him and all his kids yeah so i didn't
know Big George had a TV show. That one was from
2008. And then his other TV show, I think, came
before that. Yeah, he had a TV show in the 90s
when he was doing his comeback. That's about
the time he had his infomercial series as well.
Yeah. When he did all his grill stuff. Yeah.
Oh, man. The George Foreman KO boxing video game.
I had that on Sega Genesis. It was not very good.
It was hard. It was a good, like a spiritual
successor to Mike Tyson's Punch Out. It did have
that similar level of difficulty. Yeah, I always
think that people have forgotten how scary George
Foreman was in his first run. Like, there's a
few interviews and... I meant to go find the
clip, but there's one where it's old George talking
about his mindset in his first heavyweight run.
And he's like, I hated how nobody respected me,
nobody liked me. And he said, well, if I kill
one of these guys, then they'll have to respect
me. Oh, boy. One of those. But it's old George's,
like, happy, friendly voice. But it just... Like,
even George trying to not be scary was a little
scary. His first professional loss was to Muhammad
Ali. And the little blurb thing that Serial's
putting together, I had mentioned that even though
he was on the losing side of it, he still, like,
cemented himself as the... one of the greats
to hang with Ali like that. Yeah. Bop and Joe
Frazier, who... Was undefeated. I didn't know
that Joe Frazier was undefeated at the time.
That makes that win a whole lot crazier. When
Big George entered the scene, he shocked a lot
of people. I don't think anybody really expected
him to be that good in the professionals that
quickly. 76 -5. That is unbelievable. I remember
watching George Foreman vs. Evander Holyfield.
uh i think i saw michael moorer i've watched
that fight a couple times and he's so crafty
in it and i don't know how much of it is true
i do feel like george might rewrite history slightly
in some of his storytelling but uh he In interviews
afterwards, he's like, I was only throwing my
punches at about 60%, waiting for just the right
time to hit him. Like, let him get confident
that he can take my punches, that I'm just an
old man and I don't hit like I used to, and wear
him down and wear him down. And he's like, I
had to pick the perfect time to throw that one
big punch, because if I let him know the trick
too soon, he would get cautious and I'd never
get a second chance. That stepping uppercut that
he would do, that's immediately what comes to
mind. The Jerry Clooney? Yeah. That is the most
casual knockout ever performed in a boxing ring.
What I didn't watch, what I meant to watch before
we chatted today, was the loss to Shannon Briggs.
Because he was almost 49 years old at the time.
And Shannon Briggs is... Not that good. Yeah,
but age is a factor, man. It still took him to
a majority decision. That is pretty nuts. That
raises a lot of question marks, Shannon. It's
not very canon -like behavior. Yeah, man. I guess
he'd been sick. I don't think they had told anybody,
but this was apparently not a surprise to his
family at all. And now that I think about it,
we haven't had any new Big George stuff in quite
a few years. True. Even at his late age, Ali
was still going around doing stuff. He was very
clearly in bad shape. But I saw him, no kidding,
he was at a... My first like official date with
my then girlfriend, the one that went to Vegas
with me, we went to this little jazz festival
and they they like stopped everything to let
Muhammad Ali walk up to his private box. Nice.
Yeah, it was I was like, holy shit. And then
she didn't know anything about boxing. It's like,
who what are you talking about? Do you not know
who that is? How do you not know who Muhammad
Ali is? Once I said the name, of course. Right,
oh, she just didn't recognize him. Yeah, she
had no idea what he actually looked like. I can
see that. Especially an older, sick Ali didn't
really look like Ali anymore. He was in rough
shape. I expect that George just stayed home
to kind of not tarnish that big legacy. Yeah,
I heard a rumor. I don't know how confident you
can be in it, but that he'd had a few strokes.
So I wonder if he really wanted to kind of hide
that and remain the big George Foreman, not,
you know, some guy who was having trouble walking
anymore. Right, because his whole face and he'd
be slurring all his words. I can imagine he'd
want to save face a little bit. I haven't seen
that from any really good media, but I've seen
a couple rumors online. And that would make sense
too, I think. Yeah, wouldn't be too surprising.
But we have talked about Big George and not making
fun of the fact that he named... All his kids,
George. How the fuck do you do that? Yeah, I
think even the girls are like Georgette or something
like that. One of them is Georgina, and then
the other girl had a regular name, the one that
boxed. He had a kid that boxed? Yeah, one of
his daughters was female heavyweight champ. Was
it Georgina that boxed or the other one? I don't
know. I didn't know any of his kids did. I knew
one of his sons did, but... I think his dad talked
him out of it after a little while. Frida? I
think it's Frida that boxed. I think it was Frida.
I don't think Georgetta boxed. It's whichever
of the girls is dead. Oh. But that's not super
helpful. Good lord. Because there was for a little
while talk that she was going to fight Ali's
daughter. Layla. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Frida Foreman. And I'm pretty sure she was a
champion in the early days of women's boxing.
All I can find are articles on her death, though,
because of course that's all I can find. All
of his kids are named George. I mean, a modern
version is the Gary Antoine Russell or the Gary
Russells. There's like five of them, three of
them box. All of them have the first name Gary.
It's so weird. It's got to be so weird at home.
Like they must go by their middle names. You
got to. You have to. I would, if I had, I would
have liked to name one of my sons after me, but
that was, it would just be one. I'm like, I'm
not going to. Yeah. Frida Foreman's middle name
was George. Well done. Can't not do it. I am
wrong. She never had any of the belts. No? No.
I did not realize her middle name was George.
I didn't either. It makes me think that the other
one is also... Oh, she's Georgetta. Yeah, that's
right. Is she Georgetta George Foreman? Because
that would be madness. Man, anything more for
George? I don't think so. I think... People with
much more time on their hands have gone over
his career really well. But to me, George Foreman's
always just going to be more the inspirational
guy than anything else. Yeah. I had always wanted
a George Foreman grill just because it was George
Foreman's. But I never got one as much as I asked
for one. Then when I got to my first duty station
in the military, I might have told this one.
bit already but that was like that was the hot
commodity was having a george foreman grill in
your room because yeah if everyone got a microwave
by default but zapping everything is not very
fun you can't microwave a steak right it's exactly
right and so sometimes like fridays saturdays
and sundays you'll smell like steaks and chicken
and stuff going on In the hallway. Like, man,
I hate being a fucking new guy right now. Because
it would take me like three hours on the bus
to get to the shop where I can buy one. And then
another three hours getting back. And I don't
know if it's that worth it. I got three of them
for graduation presents, and my mom is adamant
that you don't throw out presents, and George
Foreman grills never break, so I still have three
George Foreman grills. Other than the power conversion,
they would be good for Japanese living. Yeah,
there's no grounds in the plug -ins here, but
the sockets are the same. Oh, really? Yeah. It's
all Americanized. I remember them being two,
the two prong. Yeah, but I mean, they are two
prongs. They're not like British or European.
That's what I remember them being like is European.
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me. Kazuto Ioka, his fight is rescheduled again.
Who was he supposed to fight this time? Same
guy. Martinez? Yeah. Oh, why did it get rescheduled
this time? Oh, no. I think I confused you with
the wording. It's not rescheduled again. I just
mean it's coming up soon. Oh, the reschedule
is happening. Yeah. Okay. I wasn't sure if we
had already talked about that on the podcast
and I was looking for filler. No, I don't think
we did. It's May 11th in Tokyo. That's why I
put it up. They just announced the venue. Where's
it going to be? And the date. Ota City, which
is where he always fights. It's that other side
of Tokyo. It's technically still Tokyo, but it's
really like Kanagawa. The not so good part? Yeah,
well, Tokyo is the name of the prefecture. So
what everybody thinks of as Tokyo is kind of
like the five or six areas or whatever, but this
is the outskirts area right near Yokohama. Ah,
I see what you mean. Okay. So the Tokyo prefecture,
that would be like a metropolitan area? Well,
Tokyo is not the name of the city. Tokyo is the
name of the prefecture. Oh, okay. Yep. Clicked.
Got it. Yeah. So it's... it's just what everybody
calls all those cities that have grown together.
Yeah. Okay. I see what you mean. Yeah. It's,
it's hard to explain without sounding super douchey,
but like if New York was a New York city was
a state and the five boroughs would be the cities.
Yeah. That's what Tokyo is. Tokyo is actually
the prefecture. That's what I had in mind actually
was the five boroughs. That's what I was thinking.
But. This would be more like whatever city is
just outside of New York. I don't know New York
at all. Like New Jersey. Yeah, I was going to
say, that's exactly what I was going to say.
The old Sopranos line jumped to my head. This
other pygmy thing over in Jersey. Yeah, so it's
in the same place. It's May 11th, and I think
I'm going to buy another ticket. Yeah, I was
going to ask if you were going to go. You should
if you can. I have told myself that I need to
go to less boxing matches, because they are starting
to add up expense -wise, because I've gotten
a little spoiled. I want the nice seats. So they're
about $300 an event, which is still very reasonable,
but I've gone to a lot of events now. I think
I only sprung for seats like that one time. uh
where i paid for the front row not on the floor
but where the bowl ends yeah that's that's where
i've been buying them yeah that's how that's
the seats were like 500 they're so nice though
i know it was such a perfect view i had perfect
view of everything it was the best you can see
their feet you can hear the punches half the
time i can hear them yelling at each other it's
great it's like i'm on that elevated platform
where the judges sit where they're just off to
the side and they get that one side view but
that's what the that's the seat that i like so
i either need to be less spoiled and sit farther
back which i did at the last one and it was still
fine the arenas here are not that big but i'm
gonna need to start the hardcore fans club yeah
it's gonna be a subscription -based thing where
you pay in monthly but then when the when hot
tickets come out you'll get them at like 75 %
off. That would be awesome. Because you're paying
into it for a few months. Speaking of tickets,
I totally missed that prospect that I really
like. Aoi Yokoyama is fighting today. He fights
in, I don't know, like six hours. So I did not
get a ticket, but it's going to be on Abima,
which nobody's going to hear this before then,
but you should watch it. um he's i think the
co -main he's fighting for uh asia pacific pacific
oriental yeah oriental pacific belt there we
go already yeah it's like his third fight or
yeah that's that's actually really quick yeah
uh the i've been translating he doesn't get any
press in english i've been translating the things
he puts up on instagram and i If the translation
is correct, which it could be, maybe not. And
the English wasn't great. But it's the fastest
a Japanese boxer has gone for one of those international
belts. Maybe in his weight class. Maybe ever.
I'm not sure. Like I said, it's Google Translate.
But I think I sent it to you. His grandparents'
retirement home did another good luck video.
I love it. That's the sweetest thing. I thought
he was just... I didn't know that it was his
grandparents' place, but it makes sense why he's
there all the time. Or is that where they live?
I might be assuming that it's his grandparents'.
Maybe he's just really good friends with one
of the old guys, but there's one old guy that's
always in his videos that... Again, it's all
in Japanese. I assume it's his granddad, but
maybe it isn't. Maybe he just volunteers there.
Yeah, either way, it's still really cool that
he spends a lot of time there. Yeah. I know elder
care is a big hot button consideration for the
declining birth rate there. Yeah, there's a lot
more old people than young people here, unfortunately.
That's a lot of the, how would you put it, non
-prestigious jobs are done by Incredibly old
people here. I think the janitors I see at the
university are all in their 70s, at least. Wow.
Because young people want good jobs, and there's
not enough young people to fill the jobs anyways,
so who sweeps the floors? I remember reading
somewhere, and this was like 10 years ago, that
Japan is headed for its own... korea as well
but they're headed towards pandemics and the
illness is good it's not going to be contagious
so i don't know if pandemic's the right word
but like dementia and yeah alzheimer's are going
to decimate a large portion of the of the population
and there's really no way to stop it well and
japan specifically has a lot of intestinal cancers
for some reason, which is part of why my research
gets funded here with the microbiome stuff. I
see. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, the young guy,
Aoi Yokoyama, is fighting tonight, and I'm going
to watch it. We will report back later. I actually
don't even know who's the main event in this
one. Is it at Korakuen? I don't know. I didn't
really look. I can probably figure it out. Jamal
Charlo is coming back on the 31st of May on the
Kayla Plant undercard. Nice. All right, why?
I don't know. After this long? I don't recognize
the way in place, so I'm not sure if he is fighting
in Tokyo. I don't think so. None of this looks
like Tokyo in the kanji that's not translating.
He's fighting a Filipino champion. Jamel Magramo.
Is he the Filipino Boxing Federation guy? I don't
know. Filipino champ. His name is spelled different.
No indications of who Jamal is going to be fighting.
They are fighting in some place I have never
heard of. I just found it on BoxRec. Aichi Sky
Expo in Tokoname. Where the hell is that? No
idea. Joshua, next fight moves a step closer
and it's going to be either Dubois or Tyson Fury.
If you can't get them, it's going to be Joseph
Parker. AJ versus Parker might be interesting.
I think that Parker would do a lot better this
time around. Oh, speaking of heavyweights. Derek
Chisora is the IVF mandatory. Are they trying
to kill this poor man? What the fuck? I think
if they give him a title fight and he loses,
he'll walk away. He had his retirement speech
before his last fight and then he won it. Yeah,
he sent Otto Wallin flying like a full 90 degree
turn. The career that won't die. Yeah, hopefully
this last one is the final one. Finally. It's
just too much. It's too much to watch him keep
doing this. Wow. And he always sounds so out
of breath. Yeah. I wonder if it's going to go
away. Where people are going to be asking questions,
like looking back, like why did nobody stop him?
I think it's already there. Is it not? I think
we're on the cusp of it. And it's just going
to take one more like hard shot or hard fight
to push him over the edge. And I don't know what
over the edge really means. I'm not accusing
him of anything. Just saying I think something's
going to like with his health is going to click
in the wrong way. Right. And people are going
to be like, why did we allow this to happen?
Well, I mean, he must be passing the physicals,
but who knows how hard that is, especially in
Britain. I feel like the British Boxing Commission
does not take fighters' health super seriously.
They do take egg consumption really seriously.
Do they? Do they, really? Yeah, you're right.
Bob Arum doesn't want Tyson Fury to fight AJ.
Bob Arum was saying something about how he wants
Tyson to retire, wasn't he? Stay retired. If
your retirement is genuine, then stay retired.
Don't come out of it. Hasn't he retired like
four times? Something like that. Fucking fury.
Yeah. Reports indicate that he earned in excess
of 100 million US for the two Usyk fights. Why
would you come back? I would just... $100 million.
You could live off that forever. You could live
off the interest forever. Yeah. This is why I
would never be a world -class anything. I would
get just enough money and I would quit. You step
in to fight AJ. AJ is trying to prove that he
still belongs, whereas Fury kind of already has.
Well, and Fury also has kind of looked like shit.
off and on many times. Yeah. I don't like it.
I agree with Bob here. Uncle Bob knows what he's
talking about right now, Tyson. Speaking of slamming,
Bruce Carrington says Espinoza doesn't want to
fight him? Yeah, he was twittering about how
Espinoza is ducking him. Pretty sure it was twitter.
I don't know if I believe that very much. No,
I don't believe it at all. I think Espinoza will
fight anyone. He may not be built like your typical
Mexican fighter, and he doesn't always necessarily
fight like one, but the pride is there, and it's
not a good idea. That's not the beehive you want
to poke on a Mexican fighter. There are other
things you can do, but... That's inadvisable.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I would want
to piss Espinoza off before a fight. I would
be so boring. I would be so respectful. Don't
give anybody any fuel. Yeah, they're really good.
Did you see their last fight? They won by a knockout.
That was incredible. Wow. Let's everyone take
a moment. I guess there are quite a few fighters
like that, actually. Yeah, a lot of them have
to be translated. Yeah, well, even like... Who
am I thinking of? No, lost it. Anyway, there's
some in English, too, that are always just really
nice. I always kind of wonder, too, how much
of the translated guys, they're just not translating
it properly. It happens a lot. Like, I don't
actually understand any other languages, but
sometimes I'm like, that is not... what you said
i don't think i try my best whenever i'm in um
if i'm in discord for with everybody and there's
a spanish translation i try my best to uh throw
my own on top of it just because yeah the translators
are usually ass the ones that have been good
the uh like scottish guy that's on the zone with
the notebook yeah him He seems really good. He
even says it the same way in English. He puts
the same feeling behind the words when he translates.
The Thai translator at 1FC is really good that
way as well. He gives the same emphasis bidirectionally
on the same enthusiasm. The Brazilian translator
for UFC is good. Most recently, Ola Squaga's
translator. It was a Japanese woman. I don't
like her. You know? No. Not the English one.
It was the Spanish. Oh, okay. Yeah, no. I don't
know that one. No, the one who does English in
Japan, I don't like her translations. I don't
think they're very good. Very cutesy voice. Is
that who we're thinking of? Yeah, it's not necessarily
her voice that bothers me. No, yeah, that's just
how I remember her. I pick up enough of the words.
I'm like, that's not really what he was saying.
Yeah, Felix de Jesus was like that. I'm glad
he didn't get picked back up for PBC on Prime.
Terrible. Yeah, I really like that Scottish guy,
though. Like, it's a weird thing to say, but
he is my favorite translator. When I see him
at the cards, I'm like, yes. No, it's a real
thing. Not getting the real feeling of what somebody
is actually saying, you're losing a lot of real,
it's not like atmosphere, but it's a real, it's
a serious ingredient, is having the fighter's
perspectives. yeah that's makes parts of part
of what makes understanding their native language
good yeah uh like felix say one a guy would go
off saying uh i had a really great opponent he
was really tough but we prepared for everything
and we came out on top and then the translator
will say like yeah we did we got the job done
so i'm sorry that's not what he said that's not
what he said yeah uh but Man, I'm going to have
to get the names of these people because there's
this other guy. He does Spanish and he's it's
not the Scottish guy, but he also does his own
stuff. He does the like Islander Spanish. He
translates that really well because I like the
Cubans. Yeah, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans.
I struggle understanding with them sometimes.
The blonde lady that does the English and Spanish
interviews on the zone. She seems really good,
too. And it impresses me how she switches back
and forth all the time. Probox has one like that,
too. It's also a blonde lady. A little younger,
though. Yeah. I'm always impressed when people
can switch like that. On the fly? Yeah. Speaking
of on the fly, Terra Moana with another early
stoppage. If you're not watching Terra Moana,
you should be. Five fights in 2024. Five stoppages.
Kicking off 2026 with a stoppage. Does the dance
afterwards. He toned it down. I didn't appreciate
that. So you're going to have to step it up next
time, buddy. Needing to step it up. Fucking Cambosos.
Goes the distance with a late replacement no
one's ever heard of. Except Jacob in the Discord.
The Aussie Jacob? Oh, yeah. Apparently he fights
with him from the same gym. Oh, shit. He was
at the fights cheering for him. Actually, in
the second half, Wiley was doing well. Maybe
not winning, but doing well. Yeah, I was going
to say, like, he held his own. I wonder, giving,
pardon the expression, but giving Cambosos the
benefit of the doubt here. Like, this is a late
replacement. You have no idea who he is. You
probably can't find any footage on him, so you
don't know what to expect. You're kind of game
planning on the fly, maybe? No. No? Campbell
has no fucking excuses on this one. That Wiley
guy came in, he looked... Odd by the moment.
He was nervous. He was stiff. He looked like
shit in the first three rounds. And Kambosis,
I think he got a knockdown. Maybe. But he didn't
finish it. He let him get into the fight in the
second half. Kambosis should be much too good
for these domestic fights. He should not be going
the distance. Especially not with a late replacement.
I don't think Wiley was particularly impressive,
to be honest. I think Cambosis was just shit.
I'm glad that Wiley went the distance. He looks
super fucking happy with that accomplishment,
and he should be. Yeah, it's a real -life Rocky
story. Yeah, but, like... Cambosis should be
ashamed of himself. He should be, though. I don't
know. I don't understand how he keeps getting
fights. He has the best fucking manager promoter
team in boxing. He has turned one kind of fluke
win. Not a fluke. He deserved that win. He beat
Teofimo. But he turned one win into fucking ten
big fights. Yeah. At least like the bigger ones.
The better of his opponents have been really
messing him up. Like Lomachenko really took him
to school. yeah that was nice confused who was
it recently that had a late replacement and uh
they bopped him out in the first like three rounds
and that was they said exactly what you said
like this is the late replacement joseph parker
it wasn't a heavyweight well i mean joseph parker
beat i'm bad with names but coley right super
fast came in super fat yes It wasn't who I was
thinking of, but that's good enough of an example.
That's what you're supposed to do. You got dudes
coming in on three days notice. Don't let them
get very far. Right. You're the one that's fully
prepared. Even if the game plan has to change,
you are a boxer. You're supposed to be able to
make the adjustments. Yeah. Cambosis should not
be going the distance with any of those domestic
level guys in Australia. Plot twist. He is a
domestic -level Australian guy. This is true.
So he's doing exactly what he should be doing.
Because he never should have been world -class?
No, he should not have been. Maybe, but... Then
everybody should acknowledge that. Stop giving
him good fights. Right. You can have him headline
these domestic dust -ups. But definitely keep
them off of a... That should have been Princess
Skies. Oh, yeah. Her headlining the downfall.
Actually, I missed that fight. I forgot to put
it on the outline. Did you not see it? No, I
missed it. It was good. I heard she deserved
the loss. She did. I would say that she was just
a little bit behind. Not enough aggression. Just
a little too slow. A little too heavy in the
feet. Just a shade, not enough. And with that
compounding round over round, yeah. She deserved
that loss. Can't say I'm too upset by it. I am
not a Sky fan. No, I only really mentioned her
for the same reason I mentioned Tension so much.
Yeah, because it annoys the hell out of me. Just
to needle you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I
completely forgot to get the fight order on this
one. There's a few cards coming up that are all
really fun. I don't even have it open. It should
be on your website, right? I wanted to... No,
I have the other doc right next to it. I had
it. I thought I did anyway. All right. Yeah,
the website has all the details. Look at me.
I'm really good at this. I just pulled up the
LVXmedia .net calendar. And it's a good one.
What do we got here? Somebody did say it looks
like the blue screen of death, and now I can't
unsee it. Yeah, it was Bally. Yeah. I'll have
to find a new shade of blue, but the idea is
all the boxing stuff is blue, all the MMA stuff
is red. Ah, that makes sense. Only the top three
stick out to me. Yocasta Valle, who beat Senisa
Estrada, eat your own shit, Chris Mannix. Yeah.
I don't know about this one, though. I actually,
in the pick league, I picked Esparza. So, Vale's
moving up two weight classes. Oh, shit, that's
right. And Esparza's only moving down one. So,
Esparza's gonna be big. Esparza's been looking
like shit lately, though. Yeah, but she's also
tough as nails. Yeah. And she's gonna be big.
She's coming from 15 pounds heavier than Valet's
last fight. They're meeting at 12 pounds heavier.
That's a lot. It is. It is a big jump. We'll
see. I, you know, I've been wrong before, but
I'm calling an upset on this one. I think Esparza
is going to be too big and too tough, and Valet's
not going to be able to prevent her from just
swarming. Like Esparza does. Yocasta Valle, born
in Nicaragua, lives in Costa Rica. She is the
jungle goddess, jungle warrior goddess. Nice.
And then, cute as fuck, Marlon Esparza. I'm going
with my warrior goddess here. That's fine. I
don't think Marlon has it anymore as much as
it pains me to say. Maybe. I don't know. I have
a feeling she's going to be too big. I think
they are underestimating Esparza and it's going
to piss her off. With how she's looked recently,
yeah. I can see why she'd be underestimated.
We'll see. I like Esparza. Speaking of underestimated,
Oscar Collazo, the WBO minimum weight champion.
Underestimated. I'm not... Wanted that to mean
he's short, but I couldn't make it work. Versus
Edwin Cano Hernandez. I'm expecting Collazo to
make easy work of this. Yeah. I was debating
whether to put down knockout or not. I don't
think I put any guesses on... type of win and
the rematch williams zapata versus tevin farmer
holy shit the first i'm excited the first one
was great i expect the second to be the same
yeah yeah i'm i'm really torn on this one i don't
even know who to cheer for i really like zapata
but i think farmer deserves a win finally. He
always gets fucked. I thought he won the first
one. I did too, and they stole it from him. Yeah,
just by virtue of the knockdown, that being the
deciding factor. I don't think this... I wonder
if Zepeda turns up the heat a little sooner.
Yeah, I think Zepeda will not be as surprised
this time. Right. I think Zepeda underestimated
Farmer a bit in the first fight. Mm -mm -mm.
Underestimating Kazakhstan? Johnny Beck's next
fight is going to be in Kazakhstan? That's pretty
damn cool. I thought it was cool. I don't recognize
anyone's name on this card, but... I have them
split into the two that really matter. Well,
and maybe I just don't know how to read the names.
Maybe I'll recognize them when you say them.
Baturzan Jukambayev, you should remember from
Probox, he fought on Probox like four times.
I'm not sure who Con Gardner is. That is not
how I was reading that. And Johnnybeckalimkanuli,
Phlem the KH, pro tip. Yeah. Man, this guy is...
This guy. I think I got that one. Apparently
he's from France? He's from somewhere... He's
born in the Congo. Yeah. His nationality is listed
as French. Yeah, former colonies. Yeah, I think
this one's on ESPN+. It is. This one will be
starting around one or two on the West Coast.
I am just... I always like seeing these smaller
countries get some recognition. And it's nice
that Janabek gets to fight at home. Yeah. You
know, like, I wonder how Golovkin is going to
look. Because he's going to be there. Yeah. I
wonder how he's going to look fat. Maybe. Man,
I was working it out. I was getting close to
getting like a sample package of Triple G's energy
drink sent from Astana, sent to me. That would
be really cool. Yeah, I would pay for the product
and they would ship it for free. That's what
we were working on. Nice. I was excited for it
would just be. Like, two of each flavor they
had, which I think they only have three. Still,
though. Yeah. Not available outside of Kazakhstan
at the moment. I'm excited to just kind of see
what the Kazakhstan crowd looks like. Like, are
they going to be super hype? Is it going to be
quiet? I hope so. What clothes are they going
to wear? Is it just going to be normal stuff,
or are people going to come in, like... Fur coats
and big poofy hats? Well, I mean, it's... Probably
not cold this time of year, but Canada doesn't
have it. But like, if I was going to be going
to something on TV and I was from one of these
countries with cool traditional clothes, I would
dress the fuck out of my national clothes. Yeah,
wear traditional style clothing. I think it'd
be cool. It would be cool. That's what I hope
to see. And I know they don't do it, but if they
thought in Ukraine, I would love to see the ladies
in the dresses. There's a very specific Ukrainian
style dress that they wear when they do the dances
in Saskatchewan. Maybe it's not even a thing
in Ukraine anymore. There's a lot of those old
traditions in Canada that have been dropped by
the original country. Oh, well, speaking of being
dropped by the original country, Tim Zoo. Yeah,
this one starts at about five on the West Coast.
This will be 5 a .m. or 5 p .m. p .m. This will
be like Sunday morning for you. Yeah, there's
only like three fights really worth paying attention
to anyway. Andre Mikhailovich versus Blake Wells.
Mikhailovich is the dude he fought. in australia
most recently oh yeah i recognize his face yeah
uh cohen mazutier he's a good prospect he's 12
four and one so i don't know what you want to
call him but uh he's he's good to watch so that
should be a fun fight and i expect dan hill being
seven and one they're giving him a bit probably
giving him more of the push and mazutier is like
the Top of the domestic level sort of geeky.
A test before you go farther. Yeah. And Tim Zoo
versus Joey Spencer. I'm not sure how I feel
about this. Joey Spencer's not very good. Yeah,
Tim Zoo needs a confidence booster, though. Right.
I mean, for Zoo's career, this is the right thing
to do. He looked... scared in that last fight
yeah like they had was it a head clash and he
kept checking for blood like what kind of ptsd
to me it kind of was like being afraid of another
gash i mean man he lost so much blood in that
pandora fight i would be scared too but If he
wants to be a world -level boxer, he's got to
get over it. Right. I think this is what this
is, is getting over it. Giving him a bit of a
soft touch, get some round -ins, realize I'm
not going to get cut every fight like that. I
noticed that they keep referring to Joey Spencer
as dangerous. That's what they keep calling him
in all of the promo stuff. Is he, though? Right.
Yeah, no, he's not. His picture on BoxRec, he
looks like he's 12. Yeah, he does have a very
young -looking face. He does, and I'm sure in
that picture he's not 12, but he looks like some
middle school football player. I don't know.
I hope Tim Zhu does what he's supposed to do.
I hope he gets in there and he kind of takes
care of business in the first half of the fight.
Yeah, the way he should, right? Yeah. Get some
confidence back. Give him maybe another pest
-ish afterwards. Like something he should win,
but should be a little difficult. And then try
and get him back in the world title hunt. All
assuming that, you know, he doesn't get bopped
trying to check for blood again. Oh, that wouldn't
be good. No. If he loses to Joey Spencer, he
should. be done pack it in yeah yeah oh damn
no good setups for a segue there uh moving to
richard torres this is a busy ass day yeah this
one's this one's later though right uh it'll
be at about seven so no i mean it's next week
oh right is it not like april 6th or something
Or I guess probably the 5th. It'll be your Saturday,
my Sunday. April 5th. Yeah, it's on the same
day. Just later in the day. Yeah. The main event,
if they have Abdullah Mason as the co -main,
which if you're smart, that's what you do. The
main and co -main should be done after Tim Zhu.
The whole day lines up actually really nicely.
So you have Queensberry. At the top with Joe
Joyce and Filip Hergovich. That's kind of the
only fight worth anything on there. That should
be happening. How did I miss that on the outline?
I really want Joe Joyce to make a comeback. I
don't think he's going to, but I want another
Joe Joyce title run. I think he'll get past this.
I think he'll be okay. That card should be wrapping
up. At about the time we're getting to the top
two for the Kazakhstan card. And that should
be wrapping up about the time the main portion
of PBC is starting on Prime, which should be
wrapping up about the time the main portion starts
for Top Rank. That is a busy day, though. It
is. It's a nice day, though. It's a nice Saturday.
That is going to be, if I want to watch it all,
that's going to be me staying up all fucking
night. Yeah, through the entire night, right?
Yeah. Yeah, the British stuff, the main events
are usually about 2am. That's all we got here,
though. I don't have anything else. Let me do
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of the upcoming cards. Yeah. So, parting words.
What do you got? Parting words. Eat your vegetables.
Drink water. Eat fruit for breakfast. If you're
going to have sugar, have it in the morning.
Oh, another update. That Saskatchewan taking
Budweiser off the shelves and all that stuff
didn't even last a full week. Not even a full
week. Nope, I think. They started lobbying them,
like the local government guys started lobbying
the provincial government guys two days in, and
they pulled the ban, I think, within five days.
Didn't even last a whole work week. Wow. I told
you the farmers would get pissed off and this
would get taken care of. Yeah. I saw a video
actually online. It was the farmers like dumping
shit on. Was it? Yeah. On people like government
buildings or people's lawns. Yeah. Blocking their
driveways with a big pile of dookies. I mean,
it's a pretty effective form of protest. And
it's not just a Saskatchewan thing. I think the
French farmers use it a lot. But the French are
the best at protesting. Yeah. We want to lower
the retirement age by a week. Absolutely the
fuck not. All right, I got a quote for this one.
A little more persistence, a little more effort.
And what seemed hopeless failure may turn to
glorious success, says Albert Hubbard. So when
you're wondering, man, can I stay awake to watch
four fucking boxing cards in a row all back to
back? Just a little more persistence. Yeah. I'll
just have to sleep all day Saturday, I guess.
Yeah. But that'll do it. We be out of here. Bye.
Welcome to the fucking show! Alright, just a
quick blurb, just so you can get back to what
you were doing. Why would a boxing fan, let's
assume they're like a purist or some shit, why
would they want to watch MMA, why would they
want to listen to an MMA show? I'm gonna come
at this from sort of like a primal level. So,
I will admit there are like some very, like...
unique and like stark differences between mma
and boxing and it seems like one of the main
things that uh keeps boxing fans away from mma
is the grappling aspect and yes sometimes it
can be you know a lay and pray uh type of fight
and it can get old but man like it's just instinctual
man some of these people the way they find an
mma It's just brutal. And I feel like that's
what it comes down to when it comes to being
a combat fan, a combat sports fan. I mean, we
saw it just recently. Mauricio Rufi versus Bobby
Green spinning back or spinning a wheel kick.
Man, I mean, they went viral. And it's something
that everyone can appreciate, even boxing fans.
I know if you have a few friends that are boxing
fans. who I sent him that clip. I mean, and they
were amazed. One even told me that they wish
they would have seen it live because seeing that
type of stuff live just elicits, like, a euphoric
feeling that, you know, you can't get. I mean,
it happens in boxing, too, whenever you see,
like, an amazing fight. But I just got to say,
like, in MMA, you get those type of fights as
well, just in a different type. It's different,
but sort of the same. It's sort of weird how
I describe it, but it's different, but the same.
It comes down to that same like carnal or primal
instinct of just like fights. Yeah, I always
think like the biggest, the easiest transition
that I always recommend, I say this all the time
on Ultimate Fucking Casuals, is if you're not
too keen on the grappling, Muay Thai and kickboxing.
are exactly where you want to start. Like, you
start working on the kicks, the elbows, the knees,
all that stuff, and you can come to learn to
appreciate grappling. I never thought I would,
and here I am. Yeah. Like I said, some of it
is very boring, some of the grappling. It depends
on the fighters, but sometimes, man, there's
boring boxing fights all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
no, yeah, you're true. I mean... Oh, you're right.
But, man, some of these grapplers, man, these
scrambles that they do, it is, like, pretty crazy
just to see it. Like, you know, rolling around
the floor. I mean, you can see the stuff that
they're doing in between and the scrambles. I
mean, it's sort of crazy. Flipping someone over,
the trips. I mean, it can be fun. But, yeah,
you're right. The easiest transition is definitely
start out with Muay Thai, kickboxing, and, you
know, slowly work your way into MMA. And, you
know, this is the thing about... Of the ultimate
fucking casuals. We will let you know which fights
are going to be good. Which ones, you know, if
you're not too in tune with the grappling, we
can get maybe a little tag or a little asterisk
on certain fights saying, like, this is a boxing
purist type of fight. You can watch this and
enjoy this. Like, we'll let you know. Yeah, we
always try. Like, I came into this. The whole
show was started with me. I didn't know shit.
about MMA. I'd never really seen an MMA fight
in its entirety in my entire life. And I came
into this with nothing. And yeah, that's where
we're at now is like, we're talking to like,
I make sure I go out of my way to bring up Muay
Thai and bring up kickboxing so that people know
like this for boxing fans to know this is what,
this is where you can start. All right. Well,
that was about it. I really appreciate your time.
Thanks, Isaac, for jumping on real quick. Thanks
for having me on. All right.