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what else more you want. The B -side in boxing.
B -side shit. B -side. B -side. And the B -side.
Don't brag about taking my side piece! Don't
brag about taking my side piece! That B -side
thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast. I
left with his belt and his girl. Who's fighting,
like, somebody that everyone was complaining
about? It's not. Oh, it's Opataya. Oh, that's
right. He just had his shit announced too. That
is an absolute stinker. Yeah. I didn't recognize
the guy's name, but I don't think that's just
because he's heavy. I think he's just not very
famous. I've had this stupid cough for a month
now. It won't go away. I think I might have actually
caught a pretty bad lung infection when my brother
was here and just ignored it because my brother
was here. Oof. Which, not good. No. I convinced
myself that I had pulled a muscle when I was
drunk one night, but I think it might have just
been my lung was hurting. Because this cough
won't go away. A while ago I had, um, I caught
bronchitis. out of nowhere i seriously don't
remember where and that was uh that lasted for
like a month the shit was not pleasant yeah well
we're getting into when my allergies get really
bad because all the cherry trees are going off
so it's probably not going to get better for
quite a while the air quality forecast is also
shit uh sometimes stuff blows over from like
india and The manufacturing areas over there?
Yeah. China too, I bet. Yeah. I need more info
on this one. Teofimo says he's leaving Eddie
Reynoso. That, I thought, was going to be like
a powerhouse move for him. Someone that'll keep
him in check. What were the guys talking about
this morning? Let me... I didn't see any actual
evidence of it, but... Keon Davis knocked out
T .O. Senior? Okay, so Shakira Stevenson tweeted,
Never in my life could I sit there and watch
my peer knock my dad out. And not throw a single
punch. And then somebody else. Was. Yeah. Like
they're just chatting about it. Anyways. If Tio's
dad got knocked out. He fucking deserved it.
Yeah he's not the type. I'd be too upset about.
Yeah. When you know the boxing dad. They're problematic.
Usually. Yeah the only good one I've ever seen
was. Leo Santa Cruz's dad. He was the only one
who was ever really mellow. I mean, Inouye's
dad seems pretty chill. Lomachenko's dad's a
good coach. Yeah, he coaches Usyk too, so you
know he's good at it. I mean, there's more bad
ones probably than good ones, but there are a
couple boxing dads that seem fine. Yeah. Oh,
you know what? Actually, here, I got what I want
to be. The first one. Do you have the doc open?
Yeah. Okay. Inouye's debut, or re -debut, in
the U .S. vs. Who? Yeah. Ramon Cardenas. He's
a pro box guy. He's not terrible, but... Come
on, this is like an all -timer for this generation.
There's no Americans that have anything for Inouye.
Like, if they were going to do this, they should
have done it with Fulton. Yeah, should have.
Like, now there's nobody for him to fight. There's
still options. I mean, I... I think the only
one that still says it, but I think MJ is still
a good fight to make. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing
the MJ fight, but I mean, he's not American.
True. I don't think MJ is much of a draw in the
States. I would imagine he's not even a draw
in Uzbekistan. Just a guess. I don't know that
MJ would bring in... any more people no so this
is like this is the same situation that happened
with inouye the first time is he didn't have
a solid opponent the opponents were all like
scattered throughout the rest of the card and
it ended up being a stinker because the guy just
came out to like he was seriously on his bike
from round the first bell all the way to the
end he was on his bike and in a way it was like
who did he fight in the states It was Maloney,
right? He did, but that was during COVID, so...
Oh, okay. Not quite the same thing. Yeah, I think
he fought Jason. And he fought in Scotland once,
too, didn't he? Did he? Yeah, I think so. I might
be wrong. Yeah, he fought Emmanuel Rodriguez
in Glasgow. That was part of the Super Series.
Antonio Neves. I don't... Well, I recognize his
face. I don't think I know that name. Oh, I recognize
his face. He's relative. Nobody. His Bach rec
picture is bad. Yeah, him with a cut on his face.
Some of them look stupid, but this just looks
like he had his ass kicked. Yeah, they did him
dirty with that one. Antonio Nieves, I was at
that one. And, like, the crowd was very much
in favor of Inoue. Like, he was apologizing.
Like, man, I'm really sorry. I tried my best
to make it exciting, but there's only so much
I can do by myself without the opponent coming
to compete. Everybody was completely understanding.
It was at the they call it Punchbowl in StubHub
Center. Now it's Dignity Health Sports Park.
It's like no shit a gladiator arena. Really?
That sounds awesome. It's really cool. There's
something about that venue. When people come
in they they come in like for hungry thirsty
for blood they want their pound of flesh from
the opponent it's nice it's wild i don't know
what that venue does to people that's the one
where uh brian mendoza upset fundora and he got
that like leaping fucking knockout yeah yeah
and he sent the tall man crumbling something
about stubhub i'm gonna keep calling it stubhub
because Punchbowl is kind of cheesy. Well, that's
also just how old people work. Dignity Health
Sports Park is a mouthful. It is. I hope that
the card is at least better. With this opponent,
you're not going to sell just in a way by himself.
You're going to have to put other... other good
fights on there put abdullah mason on there uh
they've already got espinoza listed to fight
oh it's a double header that's right oh that's
oh i'm gonna have to try to go to this i mean
you had to try to go to it anyways i yeah of
course i was gonna try anyway but now i'm gonna
double try Oh, Nevada. My American geography
is not great, but that's like next door to Arizona,
right? Yeah. It would take me with a man back
a while ago before COVID. I had a sports car.
I could get there in like three hours. Now it's
not very far. It takes me like four. I have a
small car now. I mean, that's what I used to.
drive most weekends to visit my parents when
i went to university four hours there four hours
back yeah that's that's pretty much what it is
and it's my i don't know if this is irresponsible
probably is but i don't like i don't it's a weekend
turnaround kind of thing like i don't need to
get a pet sitter to come check in on them like
my pets are old enough where they regulate their
own food consumption without me needing to make
sure they don't overeat or undereat or anything.
Nice. Yeah, I got big kids now. My dogs were
always like that. Everybody's like, you don't
have them on a feeding schedule? Because I'd
be at the bar and like, fuck it, dog's fine.
And I was like, no. Why would you put your dog
on a feeding schedule? Then you have to be home
at certain points in the day. I had that problem
when my dog was younger. She's a hound, so they
just gobble up everything in front of them. And
she turned into a little sausage that had four
little sticks, like a little kid drawing an animal
or something. That's what she looked like. So
I had to get her on a schedule. She's better
now. Now that she's older, I can leave her stuff
out and she'll be fine. No, my dogs get a certain
amount of food a day. If they eat all of that
food, then they're hungry. Yep. They figure it
out. Yeah, she's figured it out too. If I gobble
it up now, I'm going to be hungry later. Yeah,
our puppies, when we first got them, they were
probably starving. It was just like some... some
guy had accidental puppies is what it was so
he wasn't particularly feeding them enough or
anything and when we first got them they ate
everything like everything and then they'd throw
up They were only allowed to eat outside, and
we'd give them their bowl. They'd eat outside.
They'd eat all their food, and then they'd go
look for, like, grasshoppers and frogs and things.
Like, these dogs thought they were starving,
and then they'd throw up. But after a couple
weeks, they figured it out. I have a cat that
I found on the street. Like, I say it all the
time. I found him under a dumpster behind a restaurant,
behind a diner. And he's... fat as shit now he
still eats like he's on the streets yeah even
though there's always food for him but man tubby
little bastard speaking of tubby little bastards
adrian broner loaded fucking dice what the hell
is he doing i'm i'm trying to find a story on
this because this is this is just too good i
know that it's a real thing i saw the headline
as well but i Well, and I'm pretty sure it's
a new mugshot. It's not an old mugshot that's
going around. It is. Because I would recognize
his old one if I saw it. Well, also, he looks
old as fuck in this much mugshot. $6 million.
He ripped off NBA players for $6 million. Damn.
That's crazy. That is wild. I'm curious how you
would even get away with that. Well, it must
have been underground games, right? Of course.
It was just like, quote -unquote, among friends
just having fun shooting dice. Like the same
way people have poker nights or whatever. Well,
that's the other thing. Who plays dice with friends?
It's a... How do I... It's a thing. A cultural
thing? Yeah, it's like a black people thing.
Playing dice. Wasn't sure how I wanted to put
that, but I mean, that's what it is. I sure have
never played dice for money. Well, no, that's
a lie. For real money with my friend. I played
poker for a little while. I guess my family does
have a dice game that we play for money. Kind
of big quotes on that. It's like a quarter a
game. But if you decided to put real money on
it, you could. Yeah, that's how the bingo was
for us. I was picturing like craps. It's like
a reduced, a simplified version of craps. Fair
enough. But I've never played. I've seen people
play. I've kind of just watched. Like, I don't
understand what's happening here, but this is
exciting because I see money moving hands. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, so it's fun. Loaded dice. Seriously.
I've only heard of those. Well, I used to play
D &D, and I had a friend that made himself a
set of loaded dice. But he loaded it to be ones.
Was he, like, purposefully, like, tanking it?
Yeah, yeah. If he thought it was funny, he would
pull out these dice and then, like, purposefully
fuck up bad so the DM had to come up with something.
Honestly, that is actually pretty cool. That
is something I would do, 100%. Yeah, it was pretty
funny. And then I... also suspicious he had one
that was loaded for like 17. like not a guaranteed
hit but loaded that he'd usually hit but we never
proved that one yeah he wouldn't he wouldn't
confirm that one ever but man broner's like what
are you doing dog i want to know which nba players
uh who it's got to be the uh Cleveland Cavaliers.
He's an Ohio guy, so it's got to be them. Yeah.
Or I was wondering if just, like, one or two
retired ones. Maybe. Like, I don't watch NBA.
I don't either. Like, Charles Barkley or somebody.
Like, I want to know how famous they were. Yeah.
These names that I recognize. Yeah, or you like
playing with the benchers. The subs. Fucking
Broner. Broner, man. What are you doing? I thought
he was trying to get his comeback going. Seriously,
it was... It's a redemption. It would have been
a redemption story. Like finally taking shit
seriously. I don't know. Instead, he's out here
scamming the whole hood. Right. The whole hood
knows that those weren't loaded dice. He's the
only he's the other one that I say my old refrain
of game recognized game. Broner needs to get
some help. Then it's not help that loaded dice
is going to give you. Yeah, no. Broner is just
he needs help. He's always going to be a big
what -if story. Man, because 135 Broner, before
he did the jump to fight Marcos Maidana, 135
Broner was a fucking problem. And no pun intended
that that was his ring name. He was a problem.
That guy was... I'm trying to figure out a good
analogy, a good analog. for him but like super
fast hands really smart footwork uh counters
were really sharp he was and his power was excellent
at 35 and he like lost it moving up pretty boy
floyd almost yeah pretty boy -esque yeah like
not Late career Mayweather, but early career
Mayweather. People compared him to that a lot,
and then he just fucked it up. Yeah. Yeah, Maidana
beat more than just his undefeated record off.
It's too bad. And then he goes out and gets loaded
dice with a fucking tool. Have you, well, maybe,
we probably haven't, but he has, like, a record
label about Billions Records, and he himself
has put out rap albums. They're not very good.
But I gave him a shot. No, I have not heard them.
I doubt it would be my kind of music. Yeah, I
had to try to support my brother in bipolarness.
But it was just difficult to listen to. I don't
know. Maybe I don't get it. That might be what
it is. I just don't get it. Oh, man. Moving down.
Man, AJ. Injured. Yeah, I missed the injury.
What's he injured with? I'm still trying to find
out. All that I know is that they had been working
towards the Tyson Fury fight. Because apparently
the Saudis are interested in putting it on. And
they were so interested in putting it on, they
were willing to put it on in the UK. Well, if
that fight happens, it has to be. It has to be.
You can't put that shit in Riyadh. Yeah. I wonder
if this is related to the Jake Paul. Uh, rumors.
Jake Paul and AJ? Yeah, you didn't hear that?
No. What? Yeah, there's rumors that Jake Paul
and AJ are gonna fight. Wow. That is a big money
fight. That came out, or came out, that started
like a week ago, and now AJ's injured? Magically.
I wonder. Yeah. He didn't have anything in the
pipeline. Like, why would he be feigning the
injury to pull out of? If he loses to Jake Paul.
It would be time to, that's time to hang it up.
Become an influencer or something. Because that
shit is unacceptable. You're an actual, legit,
two -time heavyweight champion. And you lose
to Jake Paul? Time to pack it in, champion. It's
time to go home. Yeah. So what's Eddie Hearn's
quote in this Daily Mail article? He needs another
eight weeks or so on his injury. He had a little
bit of a setback and he won't be punching for
about that period of time. Broken hand. So really,
yeah, it's got to be a hand or a torn bicep,
right? Yeah. It was a minor setback, but he's
got to be physically right before he gets into
training camp. Yeah, no shit. I'm just reading
the quotes. No, I'm not saying you. No shit,
Eddie, of course. That's the fucking point of
camp. You go into it healthy, and then you improve
from that. I don't know why he would... Well,
I don't know shit about training, I guess. I
don't know why he'd be punching anything hard
enough to break his hand, though. I wonder if
it's a weightlifting injury. Because AJ looks
like he likes to lift weights between camps.
He does do the Olympic -style power cleans and
that type of stuff. The explosive type of lifting.
You could tear a bicep doing that pretty easy,
I think. But yeah, I'm not sure how you would
break a hand doing that unless you drop a weight
on yourself. I mean, it could happen. It could.
It's just difficult. That would be pretty stupid.
In all my time powerlifting, I dropped a weight.
It fell and then it landed on my foot after it
fell and just kind of flopped over. So there's
that. Broken hands. I guess if you can't stand
properly, you can't punch properly. It could
be a foot. It could be anything. It could be
anything. I'm thinking if he's needing eight
weeks, it's a broken bone or like a torn ligament.
Yeah. It's got to be. I don't know why I went
straight to bicep, but my gut's telling me torn
bicep. Yeah. He's getting a little older. He
likes to lift weights. That takes about eight
weeks. yeah that exactly it's something torn
and or uh broken bone depending on the location
like my hands when i broke them took uh six to
eight weeks so makes sense but god um the other
other than tyson fury i didn't know jake paul
was on the table that's pretty fucking cool Yeah,
AJ said he would fight Jake Paul. Good, good.
He'll just do the same thing he did to Ngannou.
Just, like, end the farce. Yeah, it would be
good. I'm not seeing in this little report I
got that the top half of his body is injured
from Eddie Hearn. That's his words. i'm on a
boxing news here the top half of his body there
you go i'll give you that it's nothing major
he's returning to he's been returning to training
he's not quite ready to turn back to camp eight
to ten weeks before he can punch properly that's
it like yeah yeah it's a broken hand there is
a bicep it's got to be something yes it's a pretty
serious injury mild moderately serious we'll
say not career AJ's getting old yeah AJ's uh
younger than me yeah but he's getting old yes
I am that's what I mean is that I'm old as shit
so that was I hadn't watched the NHL for a long
time and I watched it and I was like how is this
guy still playing and then I looked closer and
it's like his son oh he's in the NHL now and
I was like fuck Like, stab me in the heart, Father
Kai. Man, stabs in the heart. The TKO. The Dana
White Saudi Boxing League TKO boxing. The pay
structure has come out. And it is atrocious.
Oh, my God, is it atrocious. So let's just, here's
just the flat numbers. 20 ,000 for unranked fighters
fighting in a 10 -round bout. 20 ,000. 50 ,000
for fighters ranked in the bottom of the top
10. 125 for third and fourth. 375 for a championship
challenger. And 750 for the champion defending
his title. These do not sound like big numbers
to me. This is not boxing standard. Oh, we're
shaking up the sport. Yeah, you're going to not
get anybody worth a fuck. My one question is,
the UFC does pay the trainers and that sort of
stuff, right? They pay the cutmen. I don't know
if they pay the trainers directly. I couldn't
say that. Yeah, I don't watch the UFC, but my
understanding, and I could be very wrong, somebody
can correct me, was that they pay the training
fees and a bunch of those other things and medical
bills and things, and then the fighter actually
gets all this money themselves. Oh, even though
the cost is lower, they're not having to split
it amongst XYZ. Yeah, like the league pays some
of the quite a bit of the expenses. They have
medical staff and stuff on retainer. The only
way this makes sense at all is if they're doing
something like that with the boxing, where you
don't have to pay as much of the out -of -pocket
things for your team. But this still doesn't
seem like very much money to me. No. Like 20
grand? Even if they're buying your equipment
and your training and stuff, I make fucking 20
grand in six months. It doesn't seem like very
much money to go put your health on the line.
20 grand at the peak of my powers. That's, yeah,
like two, maybe three months. But that was, like,
peak time for me. Otherwise, yeah, that's my
six months, too. This isn't. And these are high
-level professional athletes. That wasn't supposed
to be a brag or anything. I don't think making
$20 ,000 in six months is very impressive. No.
No. When you're talking about professional fighters,
like, that is not a lot of money. I expect better.
And how many 10 round bouts do people really
like once you're getting up into the 10 rounders,
you're doing like two or three fights a year
usually, right? Two or three, like three is probably
maximum. If you got an early stoppage in one
of them, perhaps. Max, you're going to make 60
grand a year. Assuming, assuming that this league
or whatever they're calling themselves pays for
fucking everything else. that's not very much
money that's a very strong like a very generous
assumption too i highly doubt they're gonna they'll
have um it's like the ufc like from what i understand
they're gonna have some of the ufc infrastructure
on the back end available to them so they'll
have training facilities they'll have medical
facilities that they could go to so those things
are taken care of but like paying your coach
that's on you i would imagine and other lodging
housing expenses or logistical expenses that's
on you and how you arrange that out of how do
you arrange that out of 20k because like if you're
getting robert garcia you're paying that man
a lot of money for his time his time is extremely
valuable uh yeah this is nonsense like best case
scenario absolute best case scenario you you're
making construction worker money like i don't
know i just i don't see this being a good deal
for anyone to sign on with these guys no like
i don't i think we when this first came up when
we first talked about it it was they're gonna
get a lot of just kids signing on and they're
gonna like uh grow them up through this league
structure and they're not gonna know any better
Yeah, but they're not going to be in North Korea.
They're going to talk to other boxers. They're
going to realize they're getting fucked. Eventually.
Because of how boxing works and how it works
with the UFC as well, how it works with the athletic
commissions, how much they get paid is public
record. So that's how we know Canelo's getting
paid $35 million on his guarantee. And then we
don't know what his splits are, but we know he
gets a split on pay -per -view and gate. And
these guys are not going to get that at all.
Not even a little bit. Not even these $750K for
a title defense. Canelo defending his title against
Edgar fucking Berlanga. He made $750K just walking
to the ring. This is ridiculous. I know that
Canelo is not a good example because he's like
the very peak of the sport. But who's a title
holder that isn't very popular? Espinosa. Yeah.
He's making more than $750 ,000 a fight. I am
beyond certain. He's making more than that much.
Madrimov? Like, what did Madrimov get paid? To
fight Bud? That's not quite the... Not quite
the same. Yeah, because the Saudis are... They
inflate... That's true. Paychecks. The same shit
that people were complaining about with Al -Hayman.
Saudis are doing some of the same things. I'm
not seeing a lot of the same complaints. Curious.
Yeah. I don't know, man. I think this league's
just going to fuck over a bunch of kids and then
disappear. Yeah, they're not going to last. Dana
White's been trying to get himself into boxing
for ages. Well, and I don't know anything about
this either, but the guys on the Pro Box podcast...
Like Chris Algieri and what's his name? Pauly?
That one's Pauly, yeah. They've been talking
about the Muhammad Ali Act and how this structure
just like is completely illegal. Yeah, actually,
that's a good point. They keep just going, but,
you know, Trump can change that and he likes
Dana White. So they need the government to step
in and change the laws for this to even be possible.
Not necessarily. What they need, and which is
what they're going to get, is they need for the
law, for the Muhammad Ali Act, to not be enforced.
Fair enough. Yeah, they don't need a change.
They just need it to not be enforced. This lines
up perfectly. Of course he's getting into boxing
now. Now that somebody is in the White House
who's not going to enforce the Ali Act. Because
if anybody tries to bring the case, the case
will just get sent to a court that is favorable
to Dana White and Trump. And it won't even be
heard. I would like to say I don't think that
would happen, but that could happen. But this
this structure is just straight up illegal in
the US right now. If the yeah, if there was some
just all things taking the political figureheads
out of the equation. Yes. Illegal. But and I
don't really understand. Like, I haven't done
any research into it. This is me kind of summarizing
what they're saying. But it's because the promoters
and the managers. can't also be yeah they can't
be the same person and there's something about
the league structure as well like you need to
have a semblance of fighting outside your own
little group as well i think i didn't really
understand but if anybody's interested they've
been talking about it over on the pro box podcast
thing on youtube for weeks now there's lots of
information from those two and algeria does a
podcast with some other guy too and they talked
about it as well can't remember what that one's
called or who the guy is is it john boy or something
that sounds familiar but i don't i don't know
it's precisely the guy the guy's dad invented
CompuBox like he started okay yeah anyways him
and Algieri do a podcast as well I just like
Chris Algieri he seems intelligent he is he is
100 absolutely intelligent um yeah I'm gonna
have to check out the pro box see what they have
to say like on how and Pauly whatever his other
faults might be he's actually smarter than i
thought he was yeah he's actually whatever his
other faults he's he is not stupid he is not
a stupid person at all no so i hate him as a
commentator but on the um on the podcast he's
actually like he brings up some good points and
he's not afraid to go against the grain yeah
and be loud about things yeah that's uh yeah
like i said despite his myriad of faults, at
least as I see them anyway. The guy does, when
it comes to boxing and boxing business, he knows
what he's talking about. Yeah, and he loves yelling,
yeah, and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
What the fuck are we talking about here? It's
like his unofficial catchphrase. That sounds
exactly like something he would say. Yeah. Anyway,
I highly recommend the Pro Box podcast. I really
enjoy it. I highly recommend Probox fucking anything.
Probox is good. Probox? I am pissed. It's not
on the schedule for us to talk about, but I am
pissed they moved to the weekend. I am too. God.
Damn, I'm so upset that they did that. Like,
why? You had your niche. Yeah. Stay on Wednesday.
Wednesday night fights was your thing. Yeah.
People were excited. You weren't competing with
anything. Get the fuck back on Wednesday. Like,
when you're on Saturday, there's gonna be bigger
fights I'm gonna watch, and then I have to come
back and watch you later. But for me, Thursday
morning, I just made it so I had, like, a long
incubation at work where I had to sit at my desk
for an hour. Oh, woe is me. I just have to stay
at my desk. Oh, no. Yeah. Hmm. Too bad that there's
this boxing on Thursday morning. Yeah, it was
fun. It was the Wednesday night fun. For all
the quote -unquote hardcore fans, I'd ping the
hardcore fans like, hey, Pro Box is about to
start. Let's fucking crack a cold one, man, because
I don't know what we're about to see, but it's
going to be fucking wild. Yeah. But on Saturday,
there's just other shit going on. Exactly. I'm
not going to ditch. I'm not going to not watch
Tank Roach so that I can watch Pro Box instead.
It's not going to happen. I watched Pro Box later.
Of course. I do too. But it's not as fun. And
nobody's online to talk shit. It's just not as
fun. I try to do that sometimes. Go back to Wednesday.
Yeah, go back to Wednesday. their numbers were
solid like they would put up they would show
their numbers sometimes i think they it was an
advertisement for i'm not for sponsors i think
it was like like look at the number of like concurrent
viewers peak viewers that type of stuff yeah
they were getting like hundreds of thousands
of people sometimes hundreds of thousands like
peak concurrent viewers was in the millions like
one one one two at some time or i think that
was over the span of all their cards in a month
but nonetheless that's still a lot of people
yeah like i don't know man go back to wednesday
seriously go back to wednesday in your lane yeah
oh shit thanks for the t up speaking of staying
in your lane tiofimo lopez leaves Eddie Reynoso.
What a fucking mistake. I cannot. This is a mistake.
Yeah, but did Tio Fimo leave Reynoso or did Reynoso
kick him out? And he's letting him save face.
Tio's seeming very crazy right now. All right.
I got some Lopez quotes here. I got news for
you guys. I won't be trading with them. i .e.
the Reynoso camp. I was looking forward to leaving
tomorrow for camp with them. Maybe they don't
feel I'm focused, which is pretty interesting.
Could be a lot of things, just time frame. Maybe
could be promoting. Eddie doesn't really elaborate.
Didn't elaborate and speak to my father. I don't
know if I did something wrong or if it was me
or if they're just focused on themselves. Yeah,
that sounds like Reynoso choosing not to train
Tio. And I don't really blame him. Tio's seeming
really crazy, and so is his father right now.
Yeah, well, they're trying to promote their next
card. Yeah, but I wouldn't want to deal with
that. And to be honest, you could probably deal
with Tio being crazy, but it's his dad. Nobody
wants to deal with his dad. I thought this was
them. I thought that if anybody was going to
be able to cut Teofimo Sr. out of this, it would
have been Eddie. And just the quality of that
camp would have been enough to get him out of
the driver's seat. I think Eddie probably thought
he could cut him out as well. And I wouldn't
be surprised if that was the deciding factor,
was Tio's dad refusing to be cut. Yeah. I feel
so bad for Tio. And every time his dad talks
to him when he's being interviewed and stuff,
you can just see him get so tense and flustered.
yeah been saying it he needs to his career was
i don't know if it's resurgence or what but the
second wind of what his career is right now is
gonna start when he ditches his dad and that's
obviously a lot to ask uh but nonetheless like
your own success depends on it yeah well i think
that really is a big part of what holds teo back
yeah absolutely i suspect if he got away from
his dad it would help with the crazy just getting
away from his dad but other people could step
in and actually get him help with the crazy here
another quote is it doesn't make sense whatever
the case may be we love them we appreciate them
i appreciate having that time with eddie uh from
that experience a little bit It won't be the
end of our story with them. They're just on tunnel
vision right now. We'll see. Am I disappointed
about it? Yeah, I am, but I take it as competition.
I don't think they would have put me as the co
-main to Canelo. I think they would have put
me underneath Munguia, who is the co -main. He's
a great fighter, but he's not Teofimo. When you
refer to yourself in the third person, I... I
was going to say I'd like to smack you, but you'd
beat my ass anyway, so let's not do that. Yeah.
Yeah, I feel really bad for Tio, but those quotes
really do make it sound like Reynoso decided
not to train him. Yeah, I think you're right.
I think you're right. It's unfortunate because
Tio deserves... He deserves better than his father
lets him get. Yeah. No, Tio... It doesn't seem
to me like Tio has a very good life at home.
No. His family drove him to divorce, and now
he doesn't get to see his kid. Not very often,
anyway. Yeah. Nah, I feel bad for Tio. But I
really don't know what we're going to see. In
his next fight. I cannot nail it down at all.
Like, the crazy levels are high enough we might
get peak T .O., but his opponent is mid enough,
he might not. I think it's going to be okay.
Barbosa isn't the best, but I think he's good
enough. At least good enough to bring the best
out of Lopez. You think he's better than Cambosis?
Arnold Barbosa? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's
not a very high barrier to get over. It's not.
It's not. Cambo has another fight coming up too,
doesn't he? How does that man keep getting such
big fights? It's this weekend. He's fighting
in Australia against a late replacement. I don't
remember who the replacement is. Something Wiley?
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-E. Let me... I want to re -tee. So, being better
than Cambosos, not a high barrier to get over.
Speaking of breaking barriers, Alicia Baumgartner
signs with MVP Most Valuable Promotions. That's
the Jake Paul one. That's where Amanda Serrano
is. Jake Paul's getting Serrano. Big fight. This
is a good move. I know a lot of people like to
clown on Jake Paul. A lot of people like to shit
on him because he acts like a jackass in front
of the camera. I know that. I know he does. But
my man is taking care of fucking business. He
gets Serrano paid. He's going to get Baumgartner
paid. He is a very positive force for boxing.
This is like what... the type of shit that you
would hope someone with the clout Dana White
has, this is what you would hope they would do
is to elevate women's fights, uh, smaller weight
classes, elevate those fights. That's what he
does. That's what Jake Paul does. Um, you can,
if you disagree with me, fucking eight, three,
three Lux pots. Tell me why. Tell me why you're
wrong about Jake Paul. Jake Paul as a promoter
is good. Yeah. Jake Paul as a fucking circus
act, I hate. As a personality, yes. He's doing
exactly what... You are reacting to him one of
the ways that he wants you to. You either hate
him, you love him, or you hate him. And I get
why people hate. I get it. I really, really do.
Do not misunderstand the guy's fucking annoying
when he's in the fighter position and he's promoting
himself. But Serrano and Katie Taylor, they've
made life -changing money. Better than any of
that TKO pay structure bullshit. Oh, for sure.
And now Baumgartner, who is another very, very
talented woman. super athletic, fucking explosive,
dynamic. I'm not sure what other buzzwords I
could use, but she is awesome. I'm really glad
to see her getting signed to someone who's going
to give her the attention that she deserves.
She has a lot of belts right now, right? Yes.
Baumgartner? I think she's undisputed. Is she
undisputed? Yeah. Wow, you can't check that on
BoxRec anymore, can you? You'd have to look up
WBA separately, but if she has the IBO, it's
safe to assume she has the WBA as well. She has
the IBF and then IBO. Oh, so she's not. Oh, yeah.
She fought Delphine Pursuit in Georgia. They
had that no contest. I think Delphine got a nasty
cut. Right. Yeah, I think that was just a head
clash, wasn't it? It was. It was an accidental.
The little bit I could see from the replay didn't
look intentional in any way. I wouldn't expect
either of those guys to intentionally be throwing
headbutts. Okay, so she is the IVF. World Superfeather,
IBO, World Superfeather, WBC, and WBO. Which
is probably also the WBA. Which one of these
is not a real belt? IBO. IBO. Okay. Yeah. That's
the belt that Manny Pacquiao won at 140. Just
in case you were wondering. Let's see. A quote
from Bob Gardner while you're looking that up.
I've always believed in betting on myself and
signing with MVP is the next big move in that
journey. MVP has proven their leaders in women's
boxing, creating the biggest opportunities for
fighters like me to shine. This partnership is
a natural fit. Yeah, she's also got the WBA,
so she's undisputed. Man. No, I think... I think
MVP might be the best one for the women right
now. It is. It's got to be. J -Paul is putting
a lot of effort into getting the women their
money. Not that the other guys are particularly.
Is that what I'm hearing? Woke DEI bullshit?
Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's fine. It's
not that the other guys don't, but I think he
puts more emphasis on it. Because he doesn't
have any other fighters, I guess. Or many other
fighters, I should say. Eddie puts good emphasis
on women as well. Yeah. But not nearly as much
as MVP. Well, he's just got so many fighters
to try and promote, too, right? Well, of course.
Her Majesty, Skye Nicholson. Oh, fuck. She fights
this weekend, too, doesn't she? She does. On
the Camboso's card. Her Majesty. Good stuff.
Well, fucking go me with the segues. Speaking
of Majesty, Canelo, the undercard with William
Skull, is announced. We alluded to it when talking
about Teofimo, and he was thinking he would have
been third in the line. From the bottom up, I
was looking at his name. Brian Leone versus Aaron
Guerrero. I'm going to be honest. I don't know
who these guys are. I was going to say I don't
recognize those two. Marco Verde versus Michelle
Polina. Don't know who that is either. I do know
who Badu Jack is. Badu Jack versus Ryan Brozicki.
I cannot believe Badu Jack is still fighting.
Yeah. He has a belt too, doesn't he? He has the
interim WBC cruiserweight. So that's pretty cool.
Moving up, Martin Bakoli versus F .A. Ajagba.
Now, this was the fight that was already scheduled.
He took the Joseph Parker fight kind of like
at a moment's notice. No shit. The money was
right for him to drop what he was doing and fly
to Saudi Arabia. So this is the fight that was
going to happen anyway. Yeah, hopefully Bacoli's
been training. Yeah. Well, this fight's in, what,
May, so... Still. He was a fat sack of shit when
he got knocked out. Man, this to me is the main
event. Jaime Munguia versus Bruno Sarras, the
rematch. This to me is the one I want to see.
I love Munguia, but how fucking great would it
be for Sarras to ice him again? I would have
to send flowers to Marseille. I don't know why,
but here we go. I would be sad. I would be sad.
But how fucking great would that be? Like, I
did it once. I'll do it again. Yeah. You want
to underestimate the French? This is what happens.
I don't think it's going to happen. I really
hope Munguia comes and knocks him out. Hopefully.
But imagine. Yeah. And Canelo versus William
Skull. Oh, right. Could not care less about this.
I'm calling him Dinero now. Dinero Alvarez versus
William Scull. This makes sense, right? Because
we know that Canelo Crawford is coming down the
line. So this is reclaiming the IBF belt so that
he can be undisputed again. Okay. Still doesn't
make me care. I know. I know. That's the logic
behind it. It's not very good, but that's the
logic. Nah, collecting the belts is important,
but I just, I don't know. I can't be asked to
care about this fight. CBA. That's a good one.
What I like is something that Bally said was,
this is, we're back in an era. Where having the
belts matter. Yeah. Just because so many people.
People care. Yeah. So many people are going undisputed.
Even with Usyk dropping the IBF because, like,
of course, that happens all the time. They're
probably the most dropped title of all. But nonetheless.
They enforce the mandatories quite strictly.
Yeah. Uh, but it, it matters to have, if you
have one, one of the major titles, I, I don't
know how much of a major title I consider the
WBO to be just because that exists in the top
rank ecosystem. And that's about it. I think
the only guy who's gotten away with having it
outside of that is Usyk. And that's about it.
yeah i don't i don't follow the belts like that
i just follow the boxers i like canelo i guess
as well like if you're enough of a cash cow then
you don't have to give your belt they let you
keep it yeah yeah but regardless we're at a time
where having your belts having belts matters
like beating the other champions matters even
if they're not maybe not the best competition,
like Usyk versus Dubois 2. Maybe not the best,
but we need to reconsolidate. I think an Usyk
-Dubois rematch is the best fight he can have
right now, to be honest. I'm partial to Joseph
Parker, just because it's a new name. That's
really it. I guess, but Dubois... the what beating
aj in the way he beat aj yeah that's that was
legit better than i am curious and the the um
controversy in the first fight i think i think
that rematch is the fight to make yeah all right
maybe not the best example Although, bringing
up Joseph Parker, did you see his call -out video?
Yes, I did. I fucking love Joseph Parker. He
makes the best videos. Anyone who hasn't seen
it needs to go find it. Who sings that song?
It's not Shania Twain. It is Shania Twain. Is
it Shania Twain? Yeah. Yeah, he called them out
to You're Still the One by Shania Twain, which
is not a call -out song. No, but... Shot a Backstreet
Boys -style music video to it. It's fucking great.
Love it. On the beaches of New Zealand. Well
done. Got the homies. Yep. Yeah, the Kiwis seem
like a... Kiwis and the Maori... Maori? I think
it is. Seemed like a really fun bunch. Yeah,
yeah. No, if anybody hasn't seen it needs to
Google it. It's great. And it's a perfect call
-out video for Usyk because yelling at him and
being rude isn't going to work. No. Usyk doesn't
care. Yeah. But if you make him laugh. Be funny.
Get attention. Yeah. Speaking of getting attention,
Shakur Stevenson trying to get attention by saying
Lomachenko ducked him. I'm not sure. This would
be a good time to call in RGF, the resident Shakur
Stevenson expert. Yeah, there's a few guys. Shakur,
Terrence Crawford. A few others. Yeah. I don't
know. Did he? I don't know. Does it matter? Do
we care? I don't know. Not really. I mean, Loma
was old by the time Shakir started calling him
out anyways. Loma was old by the time he turned
pro. Let's be honest. True. Like, unless you
were calling him out during no Moschenko, nobody
cares, man. He waited until he wasn't scary anymore.
Looking at this article, it's talking to Igis
Klimas. That's Lomachenko's manager. Saying it's
more worthwhile to fight Gervonta Davis over
Shakur Stevenson. Wow. That would be more exciting.
It's the bigger money fight. No kidding. Nobody
likes watching Shakur Stevenson. I doubt even
he likes watching Shakur Stevenson. Actually,
I was in this discussion last night. Somebody
brought up Rigo again. Rigo versus Casamaro.
And they said they legitimately enjoyed watching
that fight live. And I was like, fucking how?
How could you enjoy that? And they were like,
well, Ringo just leans into it so much it's funny.
And I said this on the podcast before, too. What
pisses me off about Shakur so much is that he's
not aware of himself at all. And he keeps saying
he's going to knock people out and he's going
to beat the fuck out of them and all this stuff.
No, you're not. You're never going to do that.
Just be honest about it. Like, I'm going to embarrass
you. I'm going to school you. I'm going to teach
you what real boxing is. I'm going to give you
a 12 -round lesson. So, yeah, strap in, youngster,
because you're going to school. Yeah, like, you're
never going to touch me. Yeah, you're never going
to touch me. I just cut a better promo than Shakur
ever has. There you go. And ever will. Yeah.
Because he's so fucking insecure about how boring
he is. But Rigo, Rigo's like, I don't give a
fuck. I get paid the same no matter how much
people like it. I don't get paid more if I get
punched in the face. Looking at this, going down
further into the Klimas quotes, everybody thinks
Loma is done and out of it. Everybody wants to
fight Loma. I think it's good because if Loma
comes back, that would be a very good fight to
make with Tank. What is Shakur? What is a Shakur
and what is a Tank? Skill and finance. He, Tank,
is a much better fighter in my way and an up
-and -coming fighter. I'm not sure what that
means. In my way. That part I don't get. I think
that's just him having trouble with English.
I think he means, like, in my eyes. Yeah. Oh,
yeah, I see what you mean. Okay. Yeah, he's a
much better fighter in my view, my eyes. Yeah,
okay. I'm not going to take anything away from
Shakur. He's a good fighter, but he's a bumper.
He goes into a shell and runs away. Tank comes
to fight. It's a more interesting fight. It's
a more intriguing fight. yeah yeah uh i agree
hard to argue no notes i think loma's too old
anyways i think loma's done if he comes back
it'll be for tank and that however it ends that'll
be the end of it because it's a huge money fight
yeah fair and that's it i just i i think the
chances of us seeing loma in a in the ring again
in like an actual fight is pretty low i'd put
it at like 15 he he's done yeah he's got his
money he's happy he's got his legacy why come
back and chance ruining it at this stage though
uh going off the the boxing laundry theory isn't
he at a point where all he is is name value and
that's really it like we know he's beyond like
he's past it and it's just really having his
name on your resume and that's really it he's
like selling his name right now yeah but why
why do that uh i don't know money that's it that's
all i could think of is money no one's got enough
money he doesn't need it but tank money is a
lot yeah i guess that's my that's my what the
rationale would be i'm just lazy i have no no
ambition drive to be like super rich uh yeah
if i didn't have to work anymore i just wouldn't
yeah um but that's why i'm not a world famous
boxer so But if I also if I had like enough money
to the point where I don't have to work, there
would be a good portion of that that I would
be spending on like philanthropies like, oh,
what's that? Hungry children. Here's like more
food than you can eat in a fucking month. Enjoy
that. Yeah. Hungry puppies and kittens. Here's
more food than you can eat in one sitting. but
yeah i think i think you're a better person than
me i would be blowing my money on like bullshit
constantly oh not crazy bullshit but like i want
to learn how to be a blacksmith this year and
just hire somebody to come teach me blacksmithing
i would do shit like that too but uh i don't
know maybe yeah maybe it's just different mentalities
but My money can philanther after I'm dead with
whatever's left over. Oh, that's all we got.
Oh, there was one small news thing that I forgot
about until now. Did you see that Triple G got
boxing back in the Olympics? I saw that he was
campaigning for it, and I did see that it...
it is going to stay in the Olympics. Yeah. Which
is good. Yeah, very cool. We've had a lot of
great Olympians coming out. What, MJ? Solid.
I think Madrimov as well. Yeah, I think a lot
of those guys from the smaller countries wouldn't
get a shot without the Olympics. If they didn't
have the medals, yeah, for sure. For sure. And
I actually don't even watch Olympic boxing. I
know Isaac does. But I'm glad it exists. Yeah,
it's good to have... It's a good gauge of...
It helps you set expectations. For some people,
you can set them higher. like Andy Cruz, gold
medalist. So you can set your expectations a
little bit higher and expect a little bit more
out of him. And you're not like, why is he in
a 10 round fight with this like 17, three and
one guy? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think it gives
young boxers that like more attainable goal.
Yeah. Like a solid. I want to be on the Olympic
team. I want an Olympic gold medal. It's something
to really work towards before you become a professional
and need to work towards like the belts. Like
it's a stepping stone in your career. Stepping
stones are a milestone. Yeah. The stone I was
looking for. Man. I think having them is a good,
a good thing. Although sometimes people stay
too long trying to get a medal. Stay in the amateurs
too long. Or even if they have a gold medal,
they continue fighting in the amateur system.
Like Rigondow. Like Lomachenko. Yeah, you're
like 25 years old beating up teenagers. Congratulations.
You're so talented. But still. I think that's
good for the sport. Absolutely. Being in the
Olympics. Because we don't have like a collegiate
system the same way like NFL or NBA. Or wrestling.
Yeah, even wrestling has it. So that's it. Holy
shit. I'm just going to put the plugs, plug shit
at the end. Be better if you don't fast forward
through it. Maybe just give it a listen. Parting
words. What do you got? What do I got? Oh, fuck.
I actually did my homework this time and I left
the book at work. I was doing podcast stuff at
work because I didn't want to do work. No, I
lost it. I have no idea what I was going to say.
I'm going to be out of town starting on... We're
recording this on Friday. It's currently about
6 .15 in the evening. And I'm going to be leaving
on Sunday. I'm going to be out through most of
the week. So Ultimate FN Casual is going to be
delayed. Hopefully Alex is feeling better. Maybe
we could get some boxing in the way into the
feed. Either way, I'm going to be out, but we'll
be back. I'll be back, and I'm coming at your
fucking eardrums. I'm coming for them. Are you
at least doing something fun? I'm going to...
I don't know how fun this is. It's fun for me.
I'm going to D .C., and I'm going to be lobbying
for military veterans who have been deported
from the U .S. because they weren't citizens.
That sounds important, but maybe not fun. Not
quite as, uh, not fun for anyone hearing me like
describe it, but it's important stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Very important. Like how the fuck, how,
how are you going to be like, uh, one guy he's
currently in detention. He, he went to Iraq like
two or three times and. Now he's being processed
for deportation. What the fuck is happening?
That doesn't make sense. Yeah, I do not get America's
treatment of their veterans. I've seen a couple
Instagram reels and stuff where Doge has made
so many cuts and it's just veterans crashing
out because they can't get their therapy and
stuff. Yeah. And they don't know how to get their...
their medications renewed and all this sort of
stuff. It makes me really sad. That's me. I don't
know how I'm going to get my medication. Yeah,
that's fucking ridiculous. Especially for a country
that pretends that they care so much about their
military. Yeah. Well, without my medications,
who knows? Maybe I'll spontaneously combust.
I expect that's going to be the result. I hope
not. I would be sad. Oh. Instead of parting words,
I have one more idiocy from the Canadian boycott.
This isn't so much a boycott. More vandalism.
No, no. This is actually my home province being
stupid as fuck. So my home province went conservative.
It has for a while now. And they have decided
that they're not going to allow... the liquor
stores in my home province of Saskatchewan to
sell Coors Light and Budweiser products. But
Coors Light is I think a Molson product now?
It's made in Canada. There's Canadian breweries.
And Budweiser also has Canadian breweries. So
they're fucking over people who work in those
breweries. Like, what the fuck are you doing?
I know we don't like American products and American
companies right now, but, like, that shit's just
made in Canada. I'm pretty sure Coors Light has
a brewery in Saskatchewan. I think Coors is Molson.
That does sound accurate. Yeah, and, like, they're
not pulling Molson because Molson makes Canadian
the beer. Like, this is the worst. what's the
catchphrase thing virtue signaling i've ever
fucking seen this is like god damn scotty moe
get your head out of your ass it's so fucking
stupid this one is stupid the turning shit over
is just kind of funny but this is stupid and
it's stupid people that are gonna fall for it
but i really think it's gonna backfire on him
because like my dad and his buddies they drink
budweiser and I know a ton of people that drink
Budweiser and Coors Light, and you don't take
people's beer away. Like, the farmers have not
gotten on board with this craft beer stuff. I
drink 8 ,000 of the same thing every year. Yeah,
those are exactly the types. What you would imagine
a... more traditional traditionally conservative
like i like my beer i like this this is the one
i like this is the one i drink anything else
i don't like it yeah exactly yeah So I see this
one backfiring. I am waiting for him to reverse
it very quickly, and I'm waiting for a bunch
of farmers to get mad and dump pig shit on his
lawn, because that's one of our favorite protest
things. Wow, pig shit. Just bring a trailer of
pig shit and dump it on your lawn. Let's just
hope that one of those pig farmers isn't Robert
Pickton. I actually went to school with his cousin's
kid. Oh, shit. Yeah. Pickton. Yeah, they were
not close. He was a weirdo. The family didn't
talk to him. Yeah, that's what I learned about
him through my true crime studies. He is not
one of those ones where people said, like, oh,
we never saw it coming. No, it was like, of course
he did. Of course he did. You guys hadn't investigated
him 10 years ago? Yeah, actually, that comes
up in the series that I had listened to about
him. Yeah. But that's enough. If you don't know
who Robert Pickton is, you can call the number
833 -589 -7637. You can text and I'll tell you
exactly who Robert Pickton is. You're not going
to like it. It's going to be very distressing
and it's going to be uncomfortable to read. But
I'll tell you exactly who he is. Otherwise, if
you got anything to say about the Inouye debut
or re -debut in the U .S., Adrian Broner and
his dice, AJ getting injured. The TKO pay structure,
if that's not distressing, I don't know what
would be. Yeah, well, go figure out how it's
illegal right now because I don't really understand.
You go figure it out and explain it to me in
a call. Yeah. Well, there you have it. We'll
catch you next time. We're going boxing before
dark because it's still light out for me and
it's light out for you. 10 a .m., baby. All right.
We'll see you next time. Bye. We interrupt our
program to bring you this important message.
Hi, man. Fucking what an interim. What a solemn
update. God damn. This one kind of surprised
me. Like, I hadn't heard he was sick or anything.
Same. Pretty healthy. So, for the uninitiated,
which, if you're listening to this, chances are
you probably already know. But, nonetheless,
just today, just a few, like, I found out a few
moments ago that George Foreman, the George Foreman,
passed away at his home in Houston. Houston,
Texas. Oh, man. Olympic gold medalist. Holy shit.
I didn't know that part. I knew he was an Olympian,
but I didn't know he won the gold. Of course
he did. Of course he did. Yeah. Man, this one
kind of hurts me. It does. I'm feeling it. I'm
getting all misty up here. Like, man. Thank George.
Man, such a good life story. What a redemption
arc in the second half. Like, going from being
the bad guy, the, like, not gangster, but just,
like, mean, angry person that beat people up
and enjoyed it to... Born again. I got to go
back to fighting so I can pay for all these kids
to have a recreation second chance. Big George,
man. That makes me sad. Maybe next week we need
to come back and do a bit of a memorial one.
Absolutely. Yeah, this is just a little addendum
to Mention that we're aware that this happened.
Man, I'm at a loss for words. I remember playing
his game on Sega Genesis when I was a kid. I
used to play the George Foreman game when I was
stationed, my first duty station. It was in Japan.
And one of the guys had been there for a while.
He had a George Foreman grill. To me, I had seen...
Go on. I got so many George Foreman grills as
graduation presents. I think I got three or four
of them. That's what everybody gave everybody
when I was graduating high school. Yeah, that
was the thing to have in the barracks that we
were at just because a lot of cooking devices
weren't allowed. but George Foreman girls were.
And, yeah, man, I'm broken up here. Like, George
Foreman was, he was, him, he was like the, even
though he was older, nonetheless, it was him
and Mike Tyson. That, to me, was heavyweight
boxing. Yeah. Well, and George Foreman was just
so good in interviews and such a funny guy. yeah
like when he was making his comeback there's
an interview and i've watched this particular
interview quite a few times because it's hilarious
and i forget which late night show it was but
they asked him who hit the hardest and i think
he says joe frazier and the guy's like not ernie
shavers because that's who everybody says and
big george was like Oh, I never fought Ernie
Shavers, and I thank the Lord I didn't. Yeah,
I wouldn't want to either. Man, Big George is
gone. That makes me so sad. It is. And him on
HBO as the color commentator. Yeah. So good.
What was the guy that was on with Lampley and
him? Oh. I know who you're talking about, and
I can't think of the other guy's name either.
The guy that sets up Floyd Mayweather, he said,
if I was 50 years younger, I'd kick your ass.
I'm going to look this up. Yeah, I'm trying.
I don't even know what the, I guess just HBO
Boxing. Yeah. Was it? It wasn't Letterman. No,
it wasn't Letterman. No, he did the scorecards.
Yeah. Larry Merchant. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
He's just another central figure of the glory
days. Seeing the old legends. Big George was
the last one kind of from that era, wasn't he?
I think so. Like, Emanuel Stewart passed on.
I think him, Jim Lampley is all that's really
left. Well, I was thinking, like, boxers. Oh,
right. Yeah. I think you're right. Heavyweight
boxing from, what was that, the 70s? 70s, yes.
80s? I think George was the last one. Man, yeah.
Well, we definitely have to give him his due
time. Yeah, I'm going to go do some actual research,
get some actual quotes instead of me trying to
remember them. Yeah. yeah just an addendum a
quick addendum to add on to the end but fucking
hope is hope uh i don't know best wishes to his
family i hope they're all doing i mean as good
as they can be all things considered yeah man
this probably for his family it didn't but for
me this came out of nowhere that was same I was
surprised Alex brought it up in the middle of
just... I was talking to Isaac about something
just completely unrelated, and Alex came in and
mentioned it. I was like, God damn, are you messing
with me? Don't mess with me with this. This isn't
funny. Yeah. Fuck. Anyway. Yeah. I guess there's
not much else to say other than... Not for the
moment. Rest in peace. Yeah. Best wishes to the
Foreman family. Yeah, we'll give Big George his
time next time we get together. Yeah. Welcome
to the fucking show. All right, just a quick
blurb just so you can get back to what you were
doing. Why would a boxing... Let's assume they're
like a purist or some shit. Why would they want
to watch MMA? Why would they want to listen to
an MMA show? I'm going to come at this from sort
of like a primal level. So I will admit there
are like some very like unique and like stark
differences between MMA and boxing. And it seems
like one of the main things that keeps boxing
fans away from MMA is the grappling aspect. and
yes sometimes it can be you know a lay and pray
uh type of fight and it can get old but man like
it's just instinctual man some of these people
the way they find an mma is just brutal and i
feel like that's what it comes down to when it
comes to being a combat fan a combat sports fan
um i mean we started just recently uh mauricio
uh rufy versus Bobby Green spinning back or spinning
a wheel kick. Man, it's I mean, they went viral
and it's something that everyone can appreciate,
even boxing fans. I know if you have a few friends
that are boxing fans who I sent him that clip.
I mean, and they they were amazed and that, you
know, they won't even tell me that they wish
they would have seen it live because seeing seeing
that that type of stuff live just elicits like.
a euphoric feeling that you know you can't get
i mean it happens in boxing too whenever you
see like an amazing fight but i i just gotta
say like in mma you you get those type of fights
as well just in a different type it's different
but sort of the same it's it's sort of it's sort
of weird how i describe it but it's different
but the same it comes down to that same like
carnal or primal instinct of just like fights
yeah i i always think like the biggest the easiest
transition that i always recommend i say this
all the time on ultimate casuals is if you're
if you're not too keen on the grappling muay
thai and kickboxing are exactly where you want
to start like you start working on the kicks
the elbows the knees that's all that stuff And
you can come to learn to appreciate grappling.
I never thought I would. And here I am. Yeah.
Like I said, some of it is very boring. Some
of the grappling. It depends on the fighters.
But sometimes, man. There's boring boxing fights
all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, you're true.
I mean, you're right. But man, some of these
grapplers, man. These scrambles that they do.
It is like pretty crazy just to see it. Like,
you know, rolling around the floor. I mean, you
can see. The stuff that they're doing in between.
And the scrambles. I mean it's sort of crazy.
Flipping someone over. The trips. I mean it's.
It can be fun. But yeah you're right. The easiest
transition is definitely. Start out with Muay
Thai. Kickboxing. And you know slowly. Work your
way into MMA. And you know. This is the thing
about. The ultimate fucking casuals. We will
let you know which fights are going to be good.
Which ones you know. If you're not too in tune
with the grappling. We can get maybe. A little
tag or a little asterisk on certain fights saying,
like, this is a boxing purist type of fight.
Yeah. You can watch this and enjoy this. Like,
we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try. Like,
I came into this. The whole show was started
with me. I didn't know shit about MMA. I'd never
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
entire life. And I came into this with nothing.
And yeah, that's where we're at now is like we're
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
that people know like this for boxing fans to
know. This is what this is where you can start.
All right. Well, yeah, that was about it. I really
appreciate your time. Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.