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B -Side shit. B -Side. B -Side. And the B -Side.

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brag about taking my side piece. The B -Side

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thing. This is the B -Side's boxing podcast.

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I left with his belt and his girl. Eddie Hearn

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potentially going to retire if Dana White's boxing

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league comes into fruition. I don't believe that

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for a second. I don't believe that either. Eddie

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Hearn has already said he doesn't give a shit.

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We were here before them and we'll be here after

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them type thing. Yeah, gimmicks come and go.

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Yeah. What's this Canadian boycotts? Oh, okay.

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Yeah, so the guys in Discord were talking about

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it and I had to go look into it because it's

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the most Canadian bullshit ever. So Canadian...

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Canadians are doing the don't buy American. Not,

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like, try and buy Canadian or just not American.

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Yeah, I know. The boycott general. Yeah. But,

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so people are going into the stores and taking

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American products and putting them upside down.

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So, like, all the Pringles are upside down on

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the shelf. Okay. And I went and found some, like,

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Instagram posts and shit. Everybody in the comments

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is discussing whether it's vandalism. What? They're

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not ruining them. They're not doing anything.

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They're just flipping them upside down. And I'm

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like, this is the most Canadian bullshit ever.

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Is this vandalism? Yeah, you guys are being so

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rude, and somebody has to go fix that, and you're

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costing hundreds of man hours in stores across

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the country. It's like, just leave it. Yeah,

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just leave it. It does not detract from the product

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one bit. No. They're still edible. The Pringles

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are. It's fine. Yep. Yeah, I thought it was so

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funny and so Canadian. Well, this tells people

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what not to buy. And I'm like, anybody who gives

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a shit is just going to go look it up themselves,

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guys. And I'm sure it's on the label somewhere.

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Yeah. Well, and then, so, a couple years ago,

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they were boycotting Lawson's. Not Lawson's.

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Oh, fuck. I forget what the company is that owns,

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like, Safeway. Ah, drawn a blank. Anyways, doesn't

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matter. They're fucking terrible. They've been

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price gouging for years and they own so many

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different grocery stores that they can basically

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monopolize it. And so they were boycotting them

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a couple years ago for good reason. And now those

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guys have started putting little, um, peas on

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all the products that are affected by tariffs.

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Peas? Tea, like tariff. Okay, I see. So now everybody's

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like, well, maybe we could shop there again.

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And I'm like, you guys are getting tricked. Like,

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fuck off with this bullshit. Is it Sobeys? Sobeys?

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Yeah. Who owns Sobeys, though? Empire Company?

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No. Lawtons? Lawtons. Not Lawsons, Lawtons. That's

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what I was getting. Lawtons is what it's called

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in the really populated places. Sobeys for the

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East Coast and the Prairies, and Lawton's is

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Ontario and Quebec. That's similar to here, like

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in the Southwest, Kroger. Kroger has name storefronts

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all over, but Fry's is the name of the one in

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the Southwest. Yeah, it's just like they used

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to be. Well, they used to be different companies

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and then Lawton's bought them. Or whoever owns

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Lawton's bought them. And they just didn't change

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any of the store names. Because you can't have

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new grocery stores, people wouldn't go there.

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Yeah, I wanted to go to Lawton's, not fucking

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Sobeys. Exactly. Or Dominion. My mom always shopped

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at Co -op, which is locally owned. I don't think

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there's any... problems with with that one but

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it's all owned by the same people yeah if you

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look up the grocery stores in canada it's crazy

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but the co -op is the cooperative cooperative

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the local cooperative yeah it'd be nice if we

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had like an actual storefront for a farmer's

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market yeah the cooperative isn't really like

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the co -op isn't really a farmer's market so

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much as um Well, it works like a credit union.

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You pay a very small membership fee, and then

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you get dividends every year type thing. Oh,

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yeah. Okay. So it's always owned by somebody

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that actually lives there, but it's also, like,

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community -owned, kind of. Turning products upside

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down is vandalism. Yeah, yeah. It's such a stupid...

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I think it was Americans coming in trying to

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stir the pot but then the like so Karens are

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definitely still a thing but I think Canada like

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the Midwest also has the exact opposite of a

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Karen like those really nice old ladies that

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are so afraid of um offending anyone or causing

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anybody trouble that they're like overly conscious

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of it Would it be a Karen with a C and an I?

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Yeah, or maybe like a Sharon. I picture them

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being Sharon. Sharon is Karen. Yeah, that's a

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good one. Sharon. See, hear that, people? You

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too can ditch your Karen. What's the male one?

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Is it Kevin or Kyle? I still just call them Karens.

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It makes it more funny that way, actually. i

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think so because they're also the ones that really

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don't like being called by a girl's name usually

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oh this is an interesting question that you have

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here what qualities do you consider for greatness

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of xx in boxing that's cool yeah like greatest

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of all time or greatest 130 pounder or whatever

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you're I personally have a couple things that

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kind of just disqualify you that really don't

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have anything to do with boxing. But I think,

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like, if you are well known to beat your wife,

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you might be the best boxer. But you aren't the

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greatest because you're a terrible human being.

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So you're saying that greatness transcends the

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sport? Well... I think you either have to completely

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ignore stuff outside the sport or factor it all

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in. Because a lot of people, when they talk about

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Muhammad Ali, talk about his activism and stuff,

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which is good things. I agree. But if you're

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going to factor in if they're good outside the

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ring, I think you should also factor in if they're

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bad. Yeah, I agree. So either it's a factor in

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whether they're the greatest, Or it's not a factor

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at all. And I hate that a lot of people who say

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Muhammad Ali is the greatest because of things

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in the ring and things outside the ring will

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put somebody like... I can't think of anybody

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off the top of my head that's really terrible.

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But like Errol Spence. Yeah, Tyson Fury or Errol

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Spence. Like Errol was drinking and driving and

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smashed his car at 200 miles an hour. Like poor

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life choices. yeah huh and like where do you

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draw that line if you're factoring it in then

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like does being a normal decent human being give

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you bonus points because lots of people in boxing

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aren't uh no i would say being a normal person

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is doesn't get you bonus points uh simply because

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like if we want to keep with the uh muhammad

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ali analogy he went above and beyond his normal

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circumstance to do good things whereas terence

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crawford is a good example he does a lot for

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his community we just don't hear about it but

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you can see it if you look if you can find it

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if you look for it he does yeah like clothing

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drives food drives like free memberships to the

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to the gyms that he is a part of for anyone who

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wants one. That, to me, is another example of

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going above and beyond. Somebody like Mikey Garcia

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was a pretty average dude. Didn't really care

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for boxing, but he did it because he was good

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at it. And outside of the ring, he just liked

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to drive cars. That's not bonus points. Fair.

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Okay. So, like, not being a fuck -up is neutral.

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Yes. Or I suppose there's, like, mild levels

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of fuck -uppery. That's okay. But, I don't know,

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then you get into, like, the mincing words of

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what's okay, what's acceptable, and what isn't,

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so. Yeah, like. I don't know. Getting a drunk

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in public, but not hurting anybody, probably

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fine. you were just drunk in public and you didn't

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drive home and all that stuff. But, like, those

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small fuck -ups, you probably don't even hear

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about them anyways. David Benavidez popping for

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coke. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I think this

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makes it way harder to make your list. Because

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how much, also, how much, like, are you going

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to dive into people's lives to figure it out?

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I didn't know David Benavidez popped for coke

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because I don't really follow it. He got his

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belt stripped twice. He missed weight once and

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then he popped for coke the second time. Right.

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And those two contributed in large part to him

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not fighting Canelo for a long time. Not to say

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that Canelo didn't turn into a little quacker

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later, which he did. Right. But in the beginning,

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Benavidez screwed himself with poor decisions.

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Even if you are just doing in -the -ring stuff,

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say your personal decision is only in the ring,

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what does missing weight count as? I would call

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that, I would say it's related to in -ring activity

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because making weight is a part of the sport.

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I agree. So if you blow weight, can you be the

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greatest? Depends if it happens a lot or no.

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Because if it happens once, then... you know

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and how close were you right like if you miss

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weight by 0 .2 pounds that's a lot different

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than fucking ryan garcia blowing it by three

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probably on purpose or who was that guy who was

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supposed to fight in japan had a very hispanic

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name that missed by like six pounds like you

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didn't even fucking try it's like jonathan gonzalez

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i think it was yeah something very hispanic you're

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right um there was another jonathan hispanic

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last name on the card as well so i think there's

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two people with the same name actually i think

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they were both jonathan gonzalez fun and then

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the other like if you're doing all time which

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i think is impossible and stupid i think all

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these greatest conversations they can be fun

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if everybody's having fun but when somebody starts

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getting like no there is a right answer not fun

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anymore i wonder who that's a reference to It's

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not just him. It's not just him. People do this.

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It's like, oh, well, how could you even possibly

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say that name? I think I threw out Marvin Hagler

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for whatever weight class that is. And they're

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like, well, he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard and

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blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't care.

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I just think he was the best. At 160, that was

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his weight class. And Sugar Ray Leonard moved

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up to 160. So I don't know if you want to. If

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you want to shit on him for anything, you would

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say he lost to that guy moving up. But I don't

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know. That happened to me once with Andre Ward.

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And I said, like, top 10 super middleweights

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and potentially light heavyweights. But I got,

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like, no, he doesn't even make the top 10. And,

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like, okay, name 10. Like, most of these are

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not even real fucking people. yeah but if you

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do all time then it's that argument of like well

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those guys in the whatever like 30s they would

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not compete today they didn't have the nutrition

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or training or dedicated camps like if you just

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took one of them and put them in a ring with

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a mediocre guy today i really think they'd lose

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the sport has evolved sports evolve it wouldn't

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even be close the modernly trained would smoke

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any any classical era boxer of any like even

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like jack johnson who is my favorite old -timey

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heavyweight would get his ass beat by usik or

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uh fucking maybe even joseph parker well yeah

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it's like it's every sport if you put an If you

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threw Bobby Orr into the NHL right now, without

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upgrading him and pretending he grew up with

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the modern training and stuff, Bobby Orr is getting

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fucked. And the goalies are stopping him. He

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couldn't skate as fast. Just look at track and

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field. The records keep going down or up, depending

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on which they are. There are very few things

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that the old guys could do better. because they

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don't have the dedicated life to it because they

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all had day jobs. Then, yeah, you get into too

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much of speculation, too many ifs, where you

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say, okay, we take Jack Johnson and we bring

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him to the modern era and we give him modern

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camps and he's a professional athlete. He does

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not do a single other thing with his life but

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prepare for fights. I mean, he'd probably be

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amazing, but maybe he wouldn't. Because maybe

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he was good because of who he was fighting. Yeah.

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Yeah. Like, maybe he was just naturally a little

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talented, but perhaps didn't have the dedication

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it would take for the modern camps and the weight

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cuts and the, you know. Given his time, his era,

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like the early aughts of the last century, like,

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man, it's not a... It isn't an exaggeration to

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say that he was definitely limited by his race.

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Yeah. He had a lot of trouble that was just trumped

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up nonsense simply because he was a black man

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that was successful. I always get him and the

00:16:37.730 --> 00:16:40.230
other one confused. Is he the one who was arrested

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for transporting white women across state lines

00:16:43.610 --> 00:16:45.509
or whatever the bullshit charge was? Yeah, that's

00:16:45.509 --> 00:16:49.440
the one. Yeah, okay. Because he was taking them

00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:54.620
for moral perversions. Yes, yes. I mean, probably.

00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.100
Well, yeah. The law was that he was making them

00:16:58.100 --> 00:17:00.759
into prostitutes. And that's why he got busted.

00:17:01.299 --> 00:17:03.860
That's why they wrote it, supposedly. But it's

00:17:03.860 --> 00:17:08.539
like, no. Man, they just liked him bigger. Sorry,

00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:12.619
buddy. It's not your fault. Not his fault either.

00:17:13.099 --> 00:17:16.980
But I don't know. I just... maybe it's because

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i'm more science oriented but you have to define

00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:23.460
your variables before you have these discussions

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because everybody has different characteristics

00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:30.200
that they're looking for in different ways they're

00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:34.880
thinking about it like i mean the the old uh

00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.359
discussions about who's the best weight jumper

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everybody always says pacquiao because he has

00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.200
the most belts and the most weight classes but

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Would he go up, like, 50 pounds? I think he went

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from 105 to 154, but he didn't fully make 154.

00:17:54.130 --> 00:17:59.950
So 45, 46? Okay. We'll be nice and just say it's

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50. Yeah, round number. There was more than 50

00:18:04.329 --> 00:18:06.650
pounds between Usyk and Fury when they fought.

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Like, in that fight, there was more than 50 pounds.

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So the person who's beat the most competition

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at, like, different weights, I think is probably

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either Usyk or somebody like Holyfield. That

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wasn't a heavyweight that went into heavyweight.

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Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Does that count

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as weight jumping though? Some people will say

00:18:29.950 --> 00:18:33.369
no, because it's all one weight class since it's

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unlimited, but that's ridiculous. Like that is

00:18:36.569 --> 00:18:39.049
the weight disparity. It should still be a factor

00:18:39.049 --> 00:18:42.869
that should count as a weight jump. Yeah. Somebody

00:18:42.869 --> 00:18:47.160
was being very. aggressive about it on the internet

00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.400
the other day, and I was like, no, like, just

00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:51.859
do the fucking math. Like, Usyk has beaten people

00:18:51.859 --> 00:18:54.140
from, and I looked it up, I can't remember the

00:18:54.140 --> 00:18:59.200
weights, but like, I think it was 190 pounds

00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.519
to whatever Fury was, 280? Yeah. Like, that's

00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.539
a 100 pound difference, 90 pound difference,

00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:07.980
whatever it is. That's a bigger difference than

00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:11.079
anyone Pacquiao ever beat, and Pacquiao has the

00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.819
quote -unquote benefit. of starting boxing when

00:19:15.819 --> 00:19:21.299
he was still growing and malnutrition. No, but

00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:26.599
legitimately, Pacquiao from a middle -class family

00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.220
never would have had that weight disparity because

00:19:29.220 --> 00:19:33.980
he wouldn't have been 100 pounds at 16. His frame

00:19:33.980 --> 00:19:39.579
was bigger. Yeah. He had famously put rocks.

00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.960
into his pockets at weigh -ins because he knew

00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.059
he wasn't gonna make the minimum yeah and like

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pacquiao's story is great and i love pacquiao

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i am not trying to take away from him at all

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but if you're doing these like imaginary lists

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you have to kind of define how you're saying

00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.000
it pacquiao is the greatest weight class jumper

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maybe because there's other people that have

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gone up and down more Yeah, they just fluctuate

00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:13.690
between a certain range. Yeah, well, and I mean,

00:20:13.710 --> 00:20:17.089
if you're doing ever, you have... Who was it?

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Somebody was four different weight classes champion

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back in the day and defended all four belts.

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Can't remember who it was. See if I can look

00:20:25.390 --> 00:20:28.670
this up real quick. This is when I start making

00:20:28.670 --> 00:20:34.089
up names. Yeah. It's somebody I've heard of.

00:20:34.589 --> 00:20:39.589
Charlie the Butcher Slinger. The meat slinger.

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Is that him? That's good, but that's not him.

00:20:46.430 --> 00:20:49.509
No, this is giving me people who've had four

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weight classes, but not at the same time. Simultaneously?

00:20:55.190 --> 00:20:58.950
I have found that Google is getting stupider,

00:20:59.049 --> 00:21:03.589
I think. Yeah, I was having that issue with the

00:21:03.589 --> 00:21:07.740
AI thing as well. That we had talked about last

00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:11.240
time. Well, and I have found that... Ah, okay.

00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:13.799
Most boxing world titles held simultaneously.

00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.940
Henry Johnson. Henry Johnson. Henry R... Henry

00:21:18.940 --> 00:21:23.240
Armstrong? That sounds familiar. Was featherweight,

00:21:23.299 --> 00:21:26.420
welterweight, and lightweight champion all at

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the same time in 1938. So I guess it was three,

00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:35.990
not four. Still a lot. Yeah. Like... But... Does

00:21:35.990 --> 00:21:38.849
that count? Because I don't think they were doing

00:21:38.849 --> 00:21:41.890
weight cuts back then. They didn't really have

00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:50.930
to. Yeah, well, nobody had time. Does it count?

00:21:51.849 --> 00:21:57.769
Yeah, I don't know. It's always... I always have...

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I have as much as I like. I love them. Sorry,

00:22:01.029 --> 00:22:02.849
I'm going to interrupt you. You were making up

00:22:02.849 --> 00:22:07.180
names, but... Henry Armstrong, a .k .a. Homicide

00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:12.160
Hank. Homicide Hank. That's amazing. Willie Thunder

00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:18.759
Road Pepperidge. He's a taxi driver by day. As

00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:24.440
much as I like him, it's my favorite trollish

00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.420
point to say, like, oh, he has the most titles.

00:22:27.619 --> 00:22:31.369
No, he didn't. The same. number of people. Other

00:22:31.369 --> 00:22:34.990
people have won titles in six divisions because

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Pacquiao didn't win titles in eight. Right. I

00:22:39.349 --> 00:22:41.630
just love throwing that one out because it makes

00:22:41.630 --> 00:22:45.269
me feel good. Yeah, he skipped a couple. You're

00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:47.950
right. He skipped a couple and two of them were

00:22:47.950 --> 00:22:53.710
secondary titles. Right. And yeah, before you

00:22:53.710 --> 00:22:56.150
come for me, I want you to look into it yourself.

00:22:56.470 --> 00:23:00.529
Do both of us a favor. before i embarrass you

00:23:00.529 --> 00:23:05.250
look it up for yourself and then then and only

00:23:05.250 --> 00:23:09.869
then you have my number but like i don't think

00:23:09.869 --> 00:23:12.670
i don't think they'd even let you try to have

00:23:12.670 --> 00:23:15.190
a belt in three different weight classes and

00:23:15.190 --> 00:23:20.150
defend them all now not in boxing no but greatest

00:23:20.150 --> 00:23:24.390
weight jumper i mean that has to factor in a

00:23:24.390 --> 00:23:28.160
little i think you'd have to in the discussion

00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:33.220
anyway i always wonder you brought up a good

00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:35.619
point of like do we consider in ring or out or

00:23:35.619 --> 00:23:42.000
not out of ring or in ring only and i wonder

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:46.980
if like i would keep you could do both like they

00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:49.799
would just be really really similar because like

00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.339
in in rings in ring only i would have tyson fury

00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:57.240
included in heavyweights for just Top 10 heavyweights

00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.200
of the last 50 years. Sure. But if we're including

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:06.480
out -of -ring antics, then absolutely not. Well,

00:24:06.579 --> 00:24:09.039
if we're including out -of -ring antics, I think

00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.099
Mike Tyson gets knocked out too. Absolutely.

00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.640
Quicker than Tyson Fury does. Yeah. I think the

00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:17.319
list would end up being quite a bit different.

00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:20.220
A lot of the top 10 guys have problems outside

00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:23.160
of the ring. I'm not a heavyweight person. I

00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.059
can't think of many. Tommy Morrison? Oh, geez.

00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:29.980
Yeah. Like, he's probably in the top 10 list

00:24:29.980 --> 00:24:33.500
in the last 50 years. He'd be out. I think that's

00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:36.440
why a lot of people try not to include out -of

00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.339
-ring stuff. You end up losing a lot of the top

00:24:39.339 --> 00:24:43.000
guys. A lot of flawed heroes. But if you don't

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:46.480
include it, I don't think Muhammad Ali is as

00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:50.859
high up as everyone says. He's still up there,

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.180
yeah, but probably not. He's still top 10, but

00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:58.960
I... I don't think strictly in -ring that you're

00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.759
going to put him at number one. He has a lot

00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:07.319
of losses, and I don't know. He was beatable.

00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:10.640
He was quite beatable. Yeah, and it's always

00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:14.079
a what -if question of that time he spent in

00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.559
prison because he refused to go to Vietnam. Okay,

00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:21.200
so let's do this comparison because I think they

00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.380
have... more similarities than people think muhammad

00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:30.000
ali and mike tyson in ring only i think mike

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.000
tyson is better he was more unbeatable he was

00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.660
more scary at the time they both had their time

00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:41.319
in prison to like what what if and they both

00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.460
fought maybe a little too long and took a bunch

00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:46.720
of losses at the end of their career yeah um

00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:51.880
in ring only I think it does come down to a bit

00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.220
of style preference because Ali had a little

00:25:54.220 --> 00:26:00.059
bit more finesse versus the explosive onslaught,

00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:03.400
blitzkrieg type of shit. I don't know which.

00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.579
But everybody always puts Ali higher because

00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:09.819
he was a better guy. And I don't think that's

00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:13.700
necessarily wrong. I just think if you're using

00:26:13.700 --> 00:26:16.579
out of ring... Tyson shouldn't be on the fucking

00:26:16.579 --> 00:26:19.480
list at all. Either Tyson. Keep it consistent.

00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.099
Tyson Fury or Mike Tyson. But then you lose most

00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:27.680
of the best guys. It's a tough question. It is.

00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:33.720
It's an interesting one. I would have to actually

00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:39.319
sit down and look into people's life to see what

00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:45.160
they were like. I don't know. toyed with the

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.000
idea like oh this was years ago not not recently

00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.619
but i had toyed with the idea of running for

00:26:51.619 --> 00:26:53.779
public office and then i thought about it i was

00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:56.160
like wait do i want people digging into my shit

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.720
and stuff that i completely forgot i completely

00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.119
forgot about is gonna get you know brought up

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:09.569
in my face again like i don't think so blackface

00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:14.150
Halloween costumes. Yeah, nothing like that.

00:27:14.750 --> 00:27:20.470
No. It made me think of Trudeau. This actually

00:27:20.470 --> 00:27:25.130
would be a question for the other show, if that's

00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:29.869
the case. Personally, I think you should just

00:27:29.869 --> 00:27:34.630
ignore out -of -ring stuff. Yeah. But I don't

00:27:34.630 --> 00:27:38.440
think it's fair to... Well... I mean, it's all

00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.180
just talking and bullshit anyways, but I don't

00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:46.240
like how people elevate people really high because

00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.720
of out of bring stuff, but they don't downgrade

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.680
people because of out of bring stuff. Similar

00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.039
to our last time when we talked about pound for

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.180
pound where everyone has to move up, but nobody's

00:27:58.180 --> 00:28:04.680
moves down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, so I guess I

00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.180
hadn't. talked about pound for pound stuff for

00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:10.019
a long time but yeah you're right everybody thinks

00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:12.960
of it as well if this guy was a heavyweight but

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.400
in my head I always do it the other way because

00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.980
I like the lower weight classes better and I

00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:22.900
just every time I try and imagine a heavyweight

00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:26.099
shrunk down to a featherweight they just seem

00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:31.259
so slow and uncoordinated to me not all of them

00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:34.099
but like a lot of them Like, even Tyson Fury,

00:28:34.339 --> 00:28:37.779
if you just made him shorter and changed nothing

00:28:37.779 --> 00:28:42.539
else, he is too slow to fight anyone. Yeah, and...

00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:45.440
And Fury's one of the ones that they say is super,

00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:49.500
like... Limber. Athletic and fast and stuff is

00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:51.319
a heavyweight. But I'm like, yeah, but if you

00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:55.000
actually just take that speed and put it at featherweight,

00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.460
people would hit him 50 times before he even

00:28:57.460 --> 00:28:59.779
knew what the fuck happened. I think of someone

00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:05.509
like Artur Beterbiev. who is, of the last 20

00:29:05.509 --> 00:29:07.730
-something years or whatever, he's one of the

00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:09.849
better light heavyweights that we've seen. But

00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:12.549
moving him down to fight, say, Bam Rodriguez.

00:29:13.630 --> 00:29:16.369
Yeah, he's too slow. Everything being equal,

00:29:16.549 --> 00:29:19.490
you just move, you shrink down, better be it.

00:29:19.990 --> 00:29:23.390
And he gets his ass beat. His style lends to

00:29:23.390 --> 00:29:26.190
being pieced up by a guy like Bam perfectly.

00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:29.470
But if you move him up in weight, he fits in

00:29:29.470 --> 00:29:34.380
fine. Because... He hits hard and, you know.

00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.779
Yeah, he doesn't rely on athleticism nearly as

00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:42.019
much. This is why the small guys never get credit

00:29:42.019 --> 00:29:44.039
in the pound for pound unless they're getting

00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.519
knockouts. Because they're like, oh, well, he's

00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.500
got no power. Yeah, but he's got so much speed

00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:56.099
and angles and other stuff. Like, I hate this

00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.420
argument that boxing is just about hitting hard.

00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:03.000
Because it's not. Like, if you took Lomachenko

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.000
and made him a heavyweight, he'd kind of look

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:11.339
like Usyk, probably. And that's working. Usyk

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:15.799
has shown you don't need one -hit power to run

00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:21.220
a division at the top. Interesting how you had

00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:24.519
mentioned it, because as far as I understand

00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.400
it... And this might be different because this

00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.740
is like scoring rounds, but it's supposed to

00:30:29.740 --> 00:30:32.500
be like that damage is the most important part.

00:30:33.819 --> 00:30:37.380
Even if the damage is like, so it's like, do

00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:41.680
you hit land three really clean, really damaging

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:46.099
shots, or do you land 10 that are marginally

00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:49.460
damaging? Like not as nearly as much. Collectively,

00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:53.039
they add up to a lot, but then which one do you

00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:58.390
score for? I mean, I score for the more landed

00:30:58.390 --> 00:31:03.430
punches, usually. If the damage is equal, and

00:31:03.430 --> 00:31:06.910
you land two punches and I land ten punches,

00:31:07.230 --> 00:31:11.470
damage is equal, then I have shown more ring

00:31:11.470 --> 00:31:14.190
generalship, more accuracy, and more effective

00:31:14.190 --> 00:31:19.289
aggression. By landing ten punches, I think.

00:31:19.750 --> 00:31:23.769
Having one... one -hit power is always going

00:31:23.769 --> 00:31:28.369
to be good because you can win by knockout. But

00:31:28.369 --> 00:31:31.170
if you're not knocking people out, effective

00:31:31.170 --> 00:31:34.289
aggression is, like, the next thing. And if you

00:31:34.289 --> 00:31:36.609
have effective aggression, you usually are winning

00:31:36.609 --> 00:31:39.869
the ring generalship. Power versus a bunch of

00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:43.670
smaller, less damaging hits is e -ball versus

00:31:43.670 --> 00:31:46.930
better DM. Yeah, death by a thousand cuts or

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:52.420
the guillotine. Yeah, like who's the pro box

00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:58.440
guy? Algeria? No, the little Japanese guy fighting

00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.900
on pro box who had never, yeah, had never had

00:32:01.900 --> 00:32:04.400
any knockouts, but he gets on pro box and he

00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:10.220
just stops people eventually. Yep. Like, I don't

00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:14.500
know. I think there would, I think if you imagine

00:32:14.500 --> 00:32:17.970
shrinking down the bigger guys. there's been

00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:20.970
too much emphasis on power at the high weight

00:32:20.970 --> 00:32:24.029
classes they would lose yeah they're also not

00:32:24.029 --> 00:32:26.549
used to people throwing that many punches because

00:32:26.549 --> 00:32:28.730
at the higher weight classes you're scared to

00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:31.609
get hit if you can get knocked out by one punch

00:32:31.609 --> 00:32:35.390
like if that's a real threat you don't open up

00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:38.849
as much but at the lower weight classes They're

00:32:38.849 --> 00:32:41.369
not scared of one punch. They're scared of a

00:32:41.369 --> 00:32:45.150
hundred punches. So you can let your hands go

00:32:45.150 --> 00:32:47.210
to start with because the chances of you getting

00:32:47.210 --> 00:32:50.910
knocked out right away are pretty low. Not impossible,

00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:54.390
but pretty low. It's just more fun. The lower

00:32:54.390 --> 00:32:57.049
weight classes are more fun. Yeah, when you're

00:32:57.049 --> 00:32:59.289
scared of getting knocked out. My favorite example

00:32:59.289 --> 00:33:05.190
of this is Mexican -style Triple G when he was

00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:08.130
all come forward pressure. Didn't really care

00:33:08.130 --> 00:33:11.230
if you hit him a few times. Yeah. Because he's

00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:13.470
going to get you with one really good one. The

00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:15.690
one time he didn't do that, though, he did not

00:33:15.690 --> 00:33:19.849
open up himself to any return fire was fighting

00:33:19.849 --> 00:33:23.029
David Lemieux. Because Lemieux could knock a

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he could do, but he was good at it. It was that

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otherworldly... type of power that like deontay

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wilder gervonta davis those very rare that people

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I want to skip the new shit really quick that

00:37:29.590 --> 00:37:32.730
you have listed here. Go down to the other ones.

00:37:32.789 --> 00:37:37.889
I didn't see the Tsuboi, the debut guy. Yeah,

00:37:37.909 --> 00:37:42.610
so he was the very first fight on the broadcast,

00:37:42.889 --> 00:37:47.550
I think. SharksFanAbroad on the Discord was watching.

00:37:47.730 --> 00:37:50.050
I'm pretty sure he said that he saw that one.

00:37:50.690 --> 00:37:54.389
It was his debut, and he looked really good,

00:37:54.489 --> 00:37:57.809
and I should pull up who he fought. Because for

00:37:57.809 --> 00:38:03.269
a debut fight, it was a crazy opponent. He fought...

00:38:04.429 --> 00:38:10.730
A Thai guy who was 14 -3, yeah, 14 -4 now. When

00:38:10.730 --> 00:38:13.929
he fought him, he was 14 -3 -0. Wow, that's actually

00:38:13.929 --> 00:38:18.929
really damn good. For a debut, yeah. And this

00:38:18.929 --> 00:38:24.170
Homoya Suboi knocked him out in the second round,

00:38:24.309 --> 00:38:27.010
I think. Or was it the first? How many rounds

00:38:27.010 --> 00:38:30.369
was the fight? Give me two seconds, I'll grab

00:38:30.369 --> 00:38:34.050
my program. They say everything in Japanese,

00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:37.670
so I'm not sure. I've been keeping all my programs,

00:38:37.889 --> 00:38:42.110
and I filled up a whole box with boxing programs.

00:38:42.190 --> 00:38:46.150
I sent it home with my brother. It was eight

00:38:46.150 --> 00:38:49.750
rounds. Eight? Eight -round debut. Yeah. Who

00:38:49.750 --> 00:38:52.829
the hell is this kid? That is amazing. I have

00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:54.949
no idea. I've never heard of him, but he impressed

00:38:54.949 --> 00:38:57.849
the fuck out of me. He looked really good. I

00:38:57.849 --> 00:39:01.150
know nobody else can see it, but... that's him

00:39:01.150 --> 00:39:06.530
yeah he looks serious he impressed the out of

00:39:06.530 --> 00:39:09.210
me i actually missed that it was his debut because

00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:11.809
again everything's like he's introduced in japanese

00:39:11.809 --> 00:39:15.309
and stuff uh so after the fight i was like holy

00:39:15.309 --> 00:39:18.150
who is this guy like he's great and the discord

00:39:18.150 --> 00:39:20.110
guys are like yeah that was his debut and i was

00:39:20.110 --> 00:39:23.170
like i had to like pull up my program and double

00:39:23.170 --> 00:39:26.329
check you should find the fight yeah i want to

00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:29.190
see this i have a good idea of where i can catch

00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:37.800
it Does ESPN Plus not do rewatches? They have

00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.000
it up. That's where I was able to catch the last

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.440
four fights or whatever. Yeah, he was the first

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.179
of the four fights. He was fourth. He's the only

00:39:50.179 --> 00:39:52.199
other one that was broadcast except the world

00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.579
titles. I'll have to look again because I don't...

00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:00.159
He really didn't look like he was debuting. No,

00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:03.920
I'm really confused. Because I didn't see any

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:08.880
debut level people at all. He was the first fight

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.679
on the broadcast, though. Interesting. Okay.

00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.360
I don't know if ESPN picks up all of them, though.

00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.099
Well, if there's four fights, he's the first

00:40:18.099 --> 00:40:22.059
one. Because there was actually six fights in

00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:28.170
the arena. But he's only got... 37 amateur fights

00:40:28.170 --> 00:40:31.449
and 14 of those are losses. I don't know, man.

00:40:31.570 --> 00:40:34.530
I don't know who this kid is, but I was impressed

00:40:34.530 --> 00:40:37.530
and I think people should look him up. He was

00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:42.489
good. Kyo Gucci. Was it a knockdown? We had already

00:40:42.489 --> 00:40:46.190
started getting into this one on Instagram. Yeah.

00:40:46.690 --> 00:40:50.070
Was it a knockdown? I only saw the replay in

00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:53.039
the arena. But that's the replay. Like, I don't

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.400
think you saw anything different. Probably not.

00:40:56.500 --> 00:40:58.539
I don't think it was a knockdown. He got hit

00:40:58.539 --> 00:41:01.480
with a punch. There was, like, another second.

00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.119
And then he missed with a punch and fell. And

00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:06.280
they were falling all over the place. I don't

00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.519
know what the fuck was up with those two. Yeah,

00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:11.900
they were slipping a lot. But nobody else slipped.

00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.820
Like, it wasn't the ring. No other fighters were

00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:18.750
having trouble. It was those two were just super

00:41:18.750 --> 00:41:22.690
off balance because Ola Squaga had absolute like

00:41:22.690 --> 00:41:27.010
cartoon style swing miss flip around and fall

00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:31.670
on his face too. He did. I remember that. Like

00:41:31.670 --> 00:41:35.110
it looked like fucking Looney Tunes. I'm trying

00:41:35.110 --> 00:41:38.550
to find the knockdown here. I don't remember

00:41:38.550 --> 00:41:41.590
what round or anything. Yeah. While you look

00:41:41.590 --> 00:41:44.530
for it, did you see a close -up picture of Ola

00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:47.809
Sklaga's gloves? No, but when I saw the one that

00:41:47.809 --> 00:41:51.389
you sent, they look really, really cool. Yeah,

00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:56.329
so he had a castle and cherry trees, and his

00:41:56.329 --> 00:41:59.730
gloves were pink. So I just thought they were

00:41:59.730 --> 00:42:02.250
the coolest gloves I've ever seen. I really like

00:42:02.250 --> 00:42:04.710
that he's leaning into the princess nickname.

00:42:05.230 --> 00:42:10.260
His t -shirts he had during the... press conference

00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:13.460
or the like open workout looked really cool too

00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:15.340
i kind of want to see if i can figure out how

00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:18.639
to buy a t -shirt from him uh he i think lives

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:23.900
in japan now so does he yeah nice um because

00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:27.420
he's got the a for anthony and then the o kind

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:29.699
of wraps around it and the front of the o is

00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:33.940
a princess tiara very cool i think it looks awesome

00:42:33.940 --> 00:42:36.780
they were talking about it on the broadcast he

00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:43.469
got the nickname from uh his previous coach or

00:42:43.469 --> 00:42:46.530
his previous camp or whatever and it was because

00:42:46.530 --> 00:42:49.949
the way he color coordinates everything uh he

00:42:49.949 --> 00:42:54.269
likes to get his nails done eyebrows waxed he's

00:42:54.269 --> 00:42:59.329
a metro metro kind of guy and i just i like it

00:42:59.329 --> 00:43:02.409
he seems very likable i was having trouble trying

00:43:02.409 --> 00:43:04.710
to figure out who to cheer for in this one yeah

00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:09.099
those gloves were really cool He also apologized

00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:12.739
that the pink dye had washed out of his hair

00:43:12.739 --> 00:43:15.579
a little bit before the fight. He's like, my

00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:18.800
hair isn't very pink, I'm sorry. Which I think

00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:25.119
confused the Japanese people. Do you know which

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.039
round it is? I do not. BoxRec has that, right?

00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:31.480
No, they're not showing it to me, if they do.

00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:35.260
Really? Yeah. They usually say knockdowns and

00:43:35.260 --> 00:43:38.559
when. I'm logged in and everything too. It's

00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.960
usually why it doesn't show. Yeah. That's because

00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.400
it wasn't a fucking knockdown. Maybe it got overturned.

00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.219
You know? Wouldn't have changed anything. It

00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:53.219
didn't because they reviewed it in the ring.

00:43:54.739 --> 00:43:59.139
Yeah, it's not showing. No, it's not. Somebody

00:43:59.139 --> 00:44:01.880
will have it. Yeah, I'm checking the scorecards.

00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:05.860
It's the 11th. I knew it was late in the fight.

00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.840
Yeah, that's why I was fast -forwarding from...

00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.340
I was in the 10th when I stopped. All right.

00:44:13.099 --> 00:44:17.619
Did I... You must have skipped it. Yeah. There

00:44:17.619 --> 00:44:21.360
it is. There. Wow. The ref's in the way there.

00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.159
Yeah. Not a good angle. I think they probably

00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.780
have a replay in between the two rounds. They

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:30.519
will. I just want to see it again from here.

00:44:31.179 --> 00:44:34.280
So this right hand lands. The left hand misses.

00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.820
Or the other way around. And Kiyaguchi misses

00:44:37.820 --> 00:44:39.800
with a punch. Yeah, he missed with the right

00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.980
hand. Alright, replay time. Yeah, I don't understand

00:44:42.980 --> 00:44:46.239
why these guys were falling so much. It was almost

00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.739
like their feet... Well, it's like their feet

00:44:48.739 --> 00:44:52.119
were clashing. Even though they're both orthodox.

00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.780
Alright, so he threw out a little pawing jab.

00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:02.480
Yeah. Another one. Leaps in. It hits him with

00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:08.679
the left. Misses with the right. And then Kiyoguchi

00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.219
misses with a right. And he's off balance and

00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:14.199
that's why he goes down. I really don't think

00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.880
that's a knockdown. The punch that landed just

00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.380
before he did it, though, that's got to be why

00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:21.420
they justified it as a knockdown. That's why

00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:24.960
they justified it. But the punch lands. It doesn't

00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.380
initiate the knockdown, or it doesn't cause it.

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.159
It doesn't cause the knockdown. Yeah. And it

00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.880
doesn't land while he's falling. Yeah, he's straight

00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.679
up slipped. This was not a knockdown. Man, that

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.639
is tough. That sucks for the judges. That is

00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.739
a tough one. And they announced that they were

00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:46.239
reviewing it, and I was like, okay, it'll be

00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.340
overturned. And they showed that replay, and

00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:50.420
I was like, excellent, overturn coming, and then

00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:53.739
the knockdown stood. It turned out it didn't

00:45:53.739 --> 00:45:56.840
matter on the cards, but that was not a knockdown.

00:45:57.099 --> 00:45:59.900
I don't think it was a knockdown. I guess it

00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:01.880
mattered in that it would have been a majority

00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.639
win instead of a unanimous decision, but it didn't

00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:11.019
change the outcome of the fight. Yeah. Man, that

00:46:11.019 --> 00:46:17.159
one is rough. Well, I think something very similar

00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.599
happened to Ola Squaga a few rounds ago, right?

00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:22.760
Like, a punch landed and then he missed and slipped.

00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:26.760
Yeah. Because it happened like six times in this

00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.199
fight, and I do not understand why, because nobody

00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.579
else was slipping. Oh, that's right. Actually,

00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:35.519
now that you put it that way. Like, the canvas

00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.130
wasn't the problem, because... I think there

00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:42.889
was one slip in one of the other fights. And

00:46:42.889 --> 00:46:45.210
the main event had no slips that came after.

00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:48.690
So it wasn't like water on the ring or anything.

00:46:48.869 --> 00:46:50.849
That's what I thought it was. It was like water

00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:53.489
getting on the shoes. And then when you go onto

00:46:53.489 --> 00:46:56.530
the advertisements, people always slip on the

00:46:56.530 --> 00:46:58.969
advertisements. But there wasn't any advertisements,

00:46:59.269 --> 00:47:01.449
was there? Just the one that you next in the

00:47:01.449 --> 00:47:03.929
middle. That was it. But that's not where they

00:47:03.929 --> 00:47:06.230
were slipping. They were slipping over on this.

00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.400
side like halfway between corners like right

00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.400
it was really weird and that that one that was

00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.699
counted and knocked down was in the the one corner

00:47:18.699 --> 00:47:21.480
but like i don't think it looks like the ring

00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.519
was wet or anything no it didn't man that is

00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:29.480
doo -doo yeah like i said it ended up not really

00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.619
mattering but at the time i was pissed i was

00:47:32.619 --> 00:47:39.570
yelling it's um It's hard, because I am usually

00:47:39.570 --> 00:47:43.750
of the mind that if you get tagged and then slip,

00:47:44.050 --> 00:47:46.610
or you slip and you get tagged as you're slipping,

00:47:46.829 --> 00:47:49.250
it's a knockdown, whether or not you slipped.

00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:54.570
Right. But if he'd have gotten hit while he was

00:47:54.570 --> 00:47:58.369
going down, it's a knockdown. But he didn't.

00:47:58.550 --> 00:48:02.349
Yeah, he got hit just before the knockdown sequence

00:48:02.349 --> 00:48:06.880
began. Yeah, but... That punch did not cause

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.780
the knockdown. He was standing after that. I've

00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:16.480
seen situations where, like this, and then the

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.019
punch that makes it a knockdown had nothing to

00:48:20.019 --> 00:48:22.679
do with the guy going down. It just so happened

00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:26.619
that he landed it right before he fell. Right.

00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:29.840
I mean, it's not the most atrocious call I've

00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.949
ever seen, but... That's a tough one to make.

00:48:33.110 --> 00:48:35.110
Like, you have to make that on the fly, too.

00:48:35.909 --> 00:48:38.989
Yeah, I'm not saying the ref did it wrong, but

00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:41.670
I thought the review would overturn it. I thought

00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:44.489
you were talking about planning for their public

00:48:44.489 --> 00:48:49.010
execution. No, no. I was just worked up because

00:48:49.010 --> 00:48:51.269
the fights were really good. The fights were

00:48:51.269 --> 00:48:55.289
really good. You know what wasn't good? Taraji.

00:48:55.869 --> 00:48:58.969
Fucking ref stoppage in the last one. Man, they

00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:02.829
saved Taraji. They saved his ass. They bailed

00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:06.550
him out. Yeah, they did. So bad. He was behind.

00:49:07.309 --> 00:49:10.929
He had to have been. He was behind, except he

00:49:10.929 --> 00:49:13.869
wasn't really on the judges' scorecard. Oh, yeah,

00:49:13.909 --> 00:49:18.849
right. But his corner told him you have to get

00:49:18.849 --> 00:49:21.489
a knockout. He came out in the 12th looking for

00:49:21.489 --> 00:49:25.690
a knockout. He was up on two cards. Yeah, I told

00:49:25.690 --> 00:49:28.110
you that. It's fucking madness. It makes no sense.

00:49:28.309 --> 00:49:31.789
Akui was winning that fight. They were robbing

00:49:31.789 --> 00:49:36.550
my boy either way, let's be honest. But Karadji

00:49:36.550 --> 00:49:39.230
came out looking for the knockout, which was

00:49:39.230 --> 00:49:43.369
great. Like, that was all exciting. But Akui

00:49:43.369 --> 00:49:46.030
had taken some damage, but he hadn't been knocked

00:49:46.030 --> 00:49:49.809
down at all in this fight. And the ref stopped

00:49:49.809 --> 00:49:54.409
it before he was knocked down. It's not... How

00:49:54.409 --> 00:49:57.050
do I put it? It's the last round. He's got a

00:49:57.050 --> 00:50:00.630
minute and a half. Let him take the knockdown.

00:50:00.849 --> 00:50:03.590
He's not going to take that much more damage

00:50:03.590 --> 00:50:05.869
if you wait until he falls on his ass to call

00:50:05.869 --> 00:50:09.010
it. He wasn't up against the ropes. No. It's

00:50:09.010 --> 00:50:11.190
not like he was up against the ropes getting

00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:16.030
beat up and hanging there. He was standing. It

00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:19.369
made no sense. Let him get knocked down at least.

00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.320
Like, this is the most clear you gotta save the

00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:26.619
favorite I have ever seen in Japan. And poor

00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:30.980
Akui, he cried so much in the ring. They did

00:50:30.980 --> 00:50:33.179
the, like, cover his head with a towel. He was

00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:37.739
just bawling his eyes out. I would be just out

00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:42.679
of a fit of rage. Yeah, well, so I think in Japan

00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:48.159
they don't yell and get angry. They do the, I'm

00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:51.559
so angry, I'm going to cry. Yeah, the man tears.

00:50:52.460 --> 00:50:56.519
Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's much more acceptable

00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.199
here for men to cry than for men to yell. Fellas,

00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.199
it's completely fine to cry. There's nothing

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.099
wrong with it. I wasn't making fun of them. I'm

00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:06.139
just saying that there's a cultural difference.

00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:08.099
No, I'm not telling you. I'm telling the boys.

00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:11.159
Like, get the fucking touch. That's why she doesn't

00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.800
text you back. Because you're an emotional fucking

00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.679
retard. But yeah, no, I thought that was a terrible

00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.639
fucking stoppage. I thought that was atrocious.

00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.420
I felt so bad for him. Yeah. Stop in the 11th.

00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:28.159
Okay, so we're right here. 54, 3, 2. No, no,

00:51:28.179 --> 00:51:30.900
he gets stopped in the 12th. Oh, does he? That's

00:51:30.900 --> 00:51:33.260
right. Yeah. 12 rounds completed. I'm not very

00:51:33.260 --> 00:51:38.179
smart. I just, because Taraji came out swinging

00:51:38.179 --> 00:51:41.199
in the 12th, which is what he had to do. I was

00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.920
sitting there like, he needs a knockout. Somebody

00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.420
was like, yeah, he needs at least a knockdown.

00:51:47.619 --> 00:51:49.599
And I was like, I don't think a knockdown will

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.079
do it. Although the crooked fucking judges, it

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.440
would have. But I think it's right around a minute

00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.139
and a half. So, yeah, Tarashi's really bringing

00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:03.380
the heat. Oh, and he's winning this round for

00:52:03.380 --> 00:52:06.320
sure. Yeah, he is. But winning this round alone,

00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:10.159
that wasn't going to be enough. Well, it was.

00:52:10.820 --> 00:52:12.739
Well, yeah, when you got the right people in

00:52:12.739 --> 00:52:17.159
your pocket. I felt so bad for Akui. Like, we're

00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.380
at 145, and he's throwing back a little here.

00:52:20.539 --> 00:52:22.960
Like, still losing, but he's landing punches.

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.840
He's covering. He's defending. Ducking and weaving

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.820
a little. Oh, come the fuck on. Right? What?

00:52:31.820 --> 00:52:35.219
What? Like, he was ducking and weaving, and the

00:52:35.219 --> 00:52:37.599
ref stopped it. Just because he got tagged while

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.079
he was weaving doesn't mean that he was, like,

00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:43.679
out. Or anything? He was not out on his feet.

00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.159
No, he wasn't. There's people all over the internet

00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.559
going, he's out on his feet. He was actively

00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.820
defending himself. Just not, didn't have his

00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:54.679
hands up. I think the ref misread it. Thought

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.579
that he, like the hands were down. Even though

00:52:57.579 --> 00:53:00.219
the hands were down to, he was kind of, it was

00:53:00.219 --> 00:53:02.400
a little showboaty putting his hands down thinking,

00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:06.000
I'm just going to head weave my way away from

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.280
Taraji. And he got tagged anyway, multiple times.

00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:12.920
I think that's why. Sure, but he was standing,

00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:17.480
actively defending himself. It's a bullshit stoppage.

00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.159
It's a bullshit. Top to bottom, it's bullshit.

00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.860
I'm really trying to figure out what they could

00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:25.039
have possibly been thinking. Because it doesn't

00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.780
make sense. The ref was thinking that the favorite

00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:31.699
was losing. And that he has a big next fight

00:53:31.699 --> 00:53:34.239
lined up. And he's got to save that next fight.

00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:39.070
Is what he was thinking. There's no reasonable

00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:42.030
explanation. What, he fights Ola Squaga next?

00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:47.530
To unify titles? He called out Bam. Oh. I don't

00:53:47.530 --> 00:53:49.570
think that's going to happen. He called out Bam.

00:53:50.929 --> 00:53:54.989
Moving up from 112 to 115, it's not terrible.

00:53:55.530 --> 00:53:58.170
But, I mean, like, Taraji's the name. Nobody

00:53:58.170 --> 00:54:02.050
knows who Akui is. Of course. So, Taraji's getting

00:54:02.050 --> 00:54:04.389
a little bit of international fame, and they

00:54:04.389 --> 00:54:08.030
wanted to... rescue that i think keep it intact

00:54:08.030 --> 00:54:13.130
and instead job his ass on on espn for everyone

00:54:13.130 --> 00:54:16.889
to see that was a terrible stoppage it was i

00:54:16.889 --> 00:54:19.650
don't care what anybody says akui was not that

00:54:19.650 --> 00:54:22.909
damaged it was he was actively defending himself

00:54:22.909 --> 00:54:25.690
like even watching the replay you were like this

00:54:25.690 --> 00:54:29.050
is where they stop it like it actually looks

00:54:29.050 --> 00:54:33.630
worse on the replay than it did yeah that shit

00:54:33.630 --> 00:54:37.039
does not make sense It was terrible. I felt bad

00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:42.500
for him. Yeah. He looks like a goofball. Taraji

00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:46.820
or Akui? Taraji. Taraji's got a weird style.

00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.219
Somebody in Discord was just super rude. They're

00:54:51.219 --> 00:54:53.679
like, his face is terrible. I was like, what's

00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.940
that even mean? What does that have to do with

00:54:56.940 --> 00:55:02.920
anything? Yeah, I don't know. That was a jobbing.

00:55:03.340 --> 00:55:07.440
My man, that sucks, dude. Fuck. I felt bad for

00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.019
Kiyokuchi, too, but that was at least competitive

00:55:10.019 --> 00:55:15.820
and decently scored. He was the WBA champ. Akui.

00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:19.519
Yeah. Yeah. It's not listed on BoxRec, so I always

00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.199
forget. Oh, yeah. No, this was a unification,

00:55:23.380 --> 00:55:26.960
wasn't it? Dang. Should be fighting Ola Squaga

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:31.730
next. I think Ola Squaga beat stuff. Fuck. Out

00:55:31.730 --> 00:55:34.730
of Taraji, I'm not going to lie. Taraji's there

00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:38.449
to be hit. All the time. Yeah. Yeah, I don't

00:55:38.449 --> 00:55:41.349
know. I was tore up about that stoppage. I was

00:55:41.349 --> 00:55:47.650
not happy. Well, we are at an hour -ish, just

00:55:47.650 --> 00:56:17.380
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00:56:24.739 --> 00:56:26.860
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00:56:26.860 --> 00:56:29.219
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Beats. And for more shows like the one you just

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listened to, go to lvxmedia .net. Anything more

00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:10.840
for the old outline here? Not unless you want

00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.420
to talk about the press conference. I didn't

00:57:13.420 --> 00:57:16.940
see it. You didn't see it? No. We don't have

00:57:16.940 --> 00:57:21.079
to talk about it very much, but Tio came in fucking

00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.300
crazy this time. Tio had a giant sword he was

00:57:25.300 --> 00:57:27.920
carrying around. He was wearing a vest with no

00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:32.340
shirt underneath and a cowboy hat and like a

00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:34.760
belt buckle. And at one point he stood up and

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.719
walked a little ways away from the table because

00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.920
someone else was talking. But like you could

00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.559
hear him in the background on the mic. Look at

00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.840
my belt buckle. I got a huge cock. I got a huge

00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.559
dick. And I'm like, what are you doing, Tio?

00:57:47.739 --> 00:57:49.539
And what does your belt buckle have to do with

00:57:49.539 --> 00:57:54.059
any of this? And then he... The belt buckle's

00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:58.139
his symbol. Yeah. Who's Tio fighting? Barbossa?

00:57:58.659 --> 00:58:02.579
I think? He slapped him at the face -off. Like,

00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:06.360
just full from the ass slapped him. That's funny.

00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.659
And poor Jose Ramirez is just sitting there like,

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:13.929
what the fuck? I am the only sane person on this

00:58:13.929 --> 00:58:16.750
stage. What have I gotten myself into? Yeah.

00:58:17.510 --> 00:58:23.130
Haney's dad was being crazy and giving... Who's

00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:27.449
the moderator guy? Him something, I think. Anyways,

00:58:27.630 --> 00:58:32.110
the guy who was running the thing, he gave him

00:58:32.110 --> 00:58:37.570
shit for introducing Garcia like normal instead

00:58:37.570 --> 00:58:43.889
of being like... PD cheat Brian Garcia. And the

00:58:43.889 --> 00:58:46.929
only one that was really kind of surprising was

00:58:46.929 --> 00:58:51.750
Roley didn't say anything. But he looked just

00:58:51.750 --> 00:58:55.070
kind of sad. But yeah, no, the full crazy was

00:58:55.070 --> 00:58:58.690
out on the second press conference. So I guess

00:58:58.690 --> 00:59:00.809
I'll have to watch the next one. I feel so bad

00:59:00.809 --> 00:59:03.130
for Jose Ramirez, though. He's just like, what

00:59:03.130 --> 00:59:07.190
the fuck is this? Oh, Barbossa got slapped, so

00:59:07.190 --> 00:59:09.550
he's going to come out acting up next time, too.

00:59:09.829 --> 00:59:12.610
Well, Barbossa was acting up, like, in a normal

00:59:12.610 --> 00:59:16.690
way, though. He was yelling shit and, like, insulting

00:59:16.690 --> 00:59:20.630
people. But, I mean, Tio came in full crazy.

00:59:21.010 --> 00:59:27.199
It was madness. Excellent. Yeah, well, everybody's

00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:32.000
debating. So full crazy usually means Tio's going

00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.719
to fight well, but his opponent isn't that good.

00:59:35.019 --> 00:59:37.619
So mid opponents means Tio fights like shit.

00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:43.179
Oh, so which one do we get? The mapping is difficult

00:59:43.179 --> 00:59:47.900
on this one. So, I don't know. I think if Barbossa

00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:52.800
beats Tio, his career might be done. For his

00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.530
sake? If he's going to continue to let his shit

00:59:55.530 --> 00:59:59.070
go unchecked like that, then yeah, it should

00:59:59.070 --> 01:00:02.730
be. And hopefully he'll get the help he needs.

01:00:03.429 --> 01:00:05.489
Yeah, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be laughing

01:00:05.489 --> 01:00:12.489
at T .O., but man, no shirt under the vest. Yelling,

01:00:12.550 --> 01:00:17.429
look at my dick. It's hilarious. That's like

01:00:17.429 --> 01:00:26.050
classic manic episode behavior. Yeah. you should

01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:27.929
go check out i think i will i think i'll have

01:00:27.929 --> 01:00:31.789
to check it out now it was kind of funny i listened

01:00:31.789 --> 01:00:34.369
to it at work and i was like because somebody

01:00:34.369 --> 01:00:37.230
said teo went crazy and i was like okay but like

01:00:37.230 --> 01:00:40.210
can i have the video and listen on headphones

01:00:40.210 --> 01:00:42.349
and not get in trouble at work and they're like

01:00:42.349 --> 01:00:45.630
i don't know teo's running around with no shirt

01:00:45.630 --> 01:00:49.889
on like swinging a sword well you watch fights

01:00:49.889 --> 01:00:54.480
with all the time don't you Yeah, and then somebody

01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.800
asked me why I was always watching half -naked

01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.619
men at work. I didn't tell you this? Yeah, you

01:00:59.619 --> 01:01:02.739
did. I thought, like, it's boxing. That's what

01:01:02.739 --> 01:01:07.639
they do. Yeah. That's how it is. My boss doesn't

01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.300
seem to care, but the girl beside me, I had to

01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:13.420
explain that it was a sport and not just me watching

01:01:13.420 --> 01:01:16.920
half -naked men. Which, if you were, like, mind

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:20.199
your own fucking business. Yeah, pretty much.

01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.500
Living in Japan, my Instagram has been slowly

01:01:24.500 --> 01:01:27.920
infested with the Asian thirst traps. And I'm

01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.820
not mad about it. Some of those videos are fucking

01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:36.000
impressive. What those guys will do to get clicks.

01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.599
Like there was one guy, ripped ass Asian dude

01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:44.019
with no shirt on, riding a horse, shooting arrows

01:01:44.019 --> 01:01:47.309
in slow motion. And I was like, yes. This is

01:01:47.309 --> 01:01:51.329
what Instagram was made for. Yeah. That is objectively

01:01:51.329 --> 01:01:56.670
really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And then they do, like,

01:01:56.690 --> 01:01:58.989
back shots so you can see all the muscles pull

01:01:58.989 --> 01:02:02.090
the bow. I was like, yes. I will like this and

01:02:02.090 --> 01:02:04.389
interact with it so I get more of this. Yeah.

01:02:08.289 --> 01:02:11.210
Well, that's going to do it for the side piece.

01:02:11.869 --> 01:02:14.639
Oh, yeah. Are we sticking with that name? Yeah,

01:02:14.659 --> 01:02:17.880
I guess, until something better comes up. Okay,

01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.960
so I was thinking very hard. The only thing,

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.659
and the reference is even older, so probably

01:02:23.659 --> 01:02:26.579
not going to work, but do you remember HBO Boxing

01:02:26.579 --> 01:02:32.440
After Dark? Yeah. It's where the Gaddy vs. Ward

01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:38.380
fights were broadcast. Yeah. So for me, it doesn't

01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:42.219
work for you, but for me, we record at like 9

01:02:42.219 --> 01:02:49.119
a .m. so besides boxing before brunch and it's

01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.559
not dark for me either so okay yeah boxing before

01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.460
dark even that that might work boxing before

01:02:57.460 --> 01:03:04.739
dark uh i mean boxing after dark looking at it

01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:07.989
looks like it's available I think Before Dark

01:03:07.989 --> 01:03:12.489
is funnier, though. Yeah. Actually, let me check

01:03:12.489 --> 01:03:17.289
that one just to be sure. Nope. Nope, it's not.

01:03:17.449 --> 01:03:19.969
All right, Boxing Before Dark. That's what we're

01:03:19.969 --> 01:03:23.349
going with. If you want to change it from Side

01:03:23.349 --> 01:03:25.949
Piece. I still think Side Piece is funny, but...

01:03:25.949 --> 01:03:33.690
It's, um... It's fine. It's just, like, finding

01:03:33.690 --> 01:03:36.800
a... Like, I have the Pauly Malignaggi video

01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:41.519
that I can put into the intro. Yeah. If I were

01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:45.880
to do boxing before dark. We'd have to record

01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.739
our own. I'd have to make up. I'd have to find

01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:52.039
something. I've also been thinking of, like,

01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.860
what kind of graphic do I want? Oh, yeah. Side

01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:59.039
piece graphic could be scandalous. I was thinking,

01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:04.320
honestly. Ring girls? No, pastel color, saved

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by the bell, sort of late 80s, early 90s type

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of radical graphics. Nice. So I was thinking

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that. Fair, yeah. I don't know. If anybody has

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any suggestions, they should hit up the Boxing

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B -Sides hotline. For sure. I am open to all

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of the suggestions. All right. I listened to

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the first one we recorded, and I do like the

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intro, the side piece intro. Yeah, it is pretty

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good. You know, we could keep the side piece

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intro and then still call ourselves Boxing Before

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Dark. That's true. And we could call ourselves

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Boxing Side Piece as well. Call ourselves whatever

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the fuck we want. Yeah, fuck it. Side piece before

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dark? We have nicknames. The before dark, yeah,

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the order is important there because the before

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dark side piece just sounds cheap. Before dark

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side piece? Side piece before dark? Yeah, the

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side piece that you see before it gets dark and

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you go see your real side piece. The like third

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side piece that isn't important enough. The Tuesday

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afternoon side piece. Not the A squad. the b

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squad hey all right we are out of here