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Don't brag about taking my side piece. Don't
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thing. This is the B -Side's boxing podcast.
I left with his belt and his girl. Eddie Hearn
potentially going to retire if Dana White's boxing
league comes into fruition. I don't believe that
for a second. I don't believe that either. Eddie
Hearn has already said he doesn't give a shit.
We were here before them and we'll be here after
them type thing. Yeah, gimmicks come and go.
Yeah. What's this Canadian boycotts? Oh, okay.
Yeah, so the guys in Discord were talking about
it and I had to go look into it because it's
the most Canadian bullshit ever. So Canadian...
Canadians are doing the don't buy American. Not,
like, try and buy Canadian or just not American.
Yeah, I know. The boycott general. Yeah. But,
so people are going into the stores and taking
American products and putting them upside down.
So, like, all the Pringles are upside down on
the shelf. Okay. And I went and found some, like,
Instagram posts and shit. Everybody in the comments
is discussing whether it's vandalism. What? They're
not ruining them. They're not doing anything.
They're just flipping them upside down. And I'm
like, this is the most Canadian bullshit ever.
Is this vandalism? Yeah, you guys are being so
rude, and somebody has to go fix that, and you're
costing hundreds of man hours in stores across
the country. It's like, just leave it. Yeah,
just leave it. It does not detract from the product
one bit. No. They're still edible. The Pringles
are. It's fine. Yep. Yeah, I thought it was so
funny and so Canadian. Well, this tells people
what not to buy. And I'm like, anybody who gives
a shit is just going to go look it up themselves,
guys. And I'm sure it's on the label somewhere.
Yeah. Well, and then, so, a couple years ago,
they were boycotting Lawson's. Not Lawson's.
Oh, fuck. I forget what the company is that owns,
like, Safeway. Ah, drawn a blank. Anyways, doesn't
matter. They're fucking terrible. They've been
price gouging for years and they own so many
different grocery stores that they can basically
monopolize it. And so they were boycotting them
a couple years ago for good reason. And now those
guys have started putting little, um, peas on
all the products that are affected by tariffs.
Peas? Tea, like tariff. Okay, I see. So now everybody's
like, well, maybe we could shop there again.
And I'm like, you guys are getting tricked. Like,
fuck off with this bullshit. Is it Sobeys? Sobeys?
Yeah. Who owns Sobeys, though? Empire Company?
No. Lawtons? Lawtons. Not Lawsons, Lawtons. That's
what I was getting. Lawtons is what it's called
in the really populated places. Sobeys for the
East Coast and the Prairies, and Lawton's is
Ontario and Quebec. That's similar to here, like
in the Southwest, Kroger. Kroger has name storefronts
all over, but Fry's is the name of the one in
the Southwest. Yeah, it's just like they used
to be. Well, they used to be different companies
and then Lawton's bought them. Or whoever owns
Lawton's bought them. And they just didn't change
any of the store names. Because you can't have
new grocery stores, people wouldn't go there.
Yeah, I wanted to go to Lawton's, not fucking
Sobeys. Exactly. Or Dominion. My mom always shopped
at Co -op, which is locally owned. I don't think
there's any... problems with with that one but
it's all owned by the same people yeah if you
look up the grocery stores in canada it's crazy
but the co -op is the cooperative cooperative
the local cooperative yeah it'd be nice if we
had like an actual storefront for a farmer's
market yeah the cooperative isn't really like
the co -op isn't really a farmer's market so
much as um Well, it works like a credit union.
You pay a very small membership fee, and then
you get dividends every year type thing. Oh,
yeah. Okay. So it's always owned by somebody
that actually lives there, but it's also, like,
community -owned, kind of. Turning products upside
down is vandalism. Yeah, yeah. It's such a stupid...
I think it was Americans coming in trying to
stir the pot but then the like so Karens are
definitely still a thing but I think Canada like
the Midwest also has the exact opposite of a
Karen like those really nice old ladies that
are so afraid of um offending anyone or causing
anybody trouble that they're like overly conscious
of it Would it be a Karen with a C and an I?
Yeah, or maybe like a Sharon. I picture them
being Sharon. Sharon is Karen. Yeah, that's a
good one. Sharon. See, hear that, people? You
too can ditch your Karen. What's the male one?
Is it Kevin or Kyle? I still just call them Karens.
It makes it more funny that way, actually. i
think so because they're also the ones that really
don't like being called by a girl's name usually
oh this is an interesting question that you have
here what qualities do you consider for greatness
of xx in boxing that's cool yeah like greatest
of all time or greatest 130 pounder or whatever
you're I personally have a couple things that
kind of just disqualify you that really don't
have anything to do with boxing. But I think,
like, if you are well known to beat your wife,
you might be the best boxer. But you aren't the
greatest because you're a terrible human being.
So you're saying that greatness transcends the
sport? Well... I think you either have to completely
ignore stuff outside the sport or factor it all
in. Because a lot of people, when they talk about
Muhammad Ali, talk about his activism and stuff,
which is good things. I agree. But if you're
going to factor in if they're good outside the
ring, I think you should also factor in if they're
bad. Yeah, I agree. So either it's a factor in
whether they're the greatest, Or it's not a factor
at all. And I hate that a lot of people who say
Muhammad Ali is the greatest because of things
in the ring and things outside the ring will
put somebody like... I can't think of anybody
off the top of my head that's really terrible.
But like Errol Spence. Yeah, Tyson Fury or Errol
Spence. Like Errol was drinking and driving and
smashed his car at 200 miles an hour. Like poor
life choices. yeah huh and like where do you
draw that line if you're factoring it in then
like does being a normal decent human being give
you bonus points because lots of people in boxing
aren't uh no i would say being a normal person
is doesn't get you bonus points uh simply because
like if we want to keep with the uh muhammad
ali analogy he went above and beyond his normal
circumstance to do good things whereas terence
crawford is a good example he does a lot for
his community we just don't hear about it but
you can see it if you look if you can find it
if you look for it he does yeah like clothing
drives food drives like free memberships to the
to the gyms that he is a part of for anyone who
wants one. That, to me, is another example of
going above and beyond. Somebody like Mikey Garcia
was a pretty average dude. Didn't really care
for boxing, but he did it because he was good
at it. And outside of the ring, he just liked
to drive cars. That's not bonus points. Fair.
Okay. So, like, not being a fuck -up is neutral.
Yes. Or I suppose there's, like, mild levels
of fuck -uppery. That's okay. But, I don't know,
then you get into, like, the mincing words of
what's okay, what's acceptable, and what isn't,
so. Yeah, like. I don't know. Getting a drunk
in public, but not hurting anybody, probably
fine. you were just drunk in public and you didn't
drive home and all that stuff. But, like, those
small fuck -ups, you probably don't even hear
about them anyways. David Benavidez popping for
coke. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I think this
makes it way harder to make your list. Because
how much, also, how much, like, are you going
to dive into people's lives to figure it out?
I didn't know David Benavidez popped for coke
because I don't really follow it. He got his
belt stripped twice. He missed weight once and
then he popped for coke the second time. Right.
And those two contributed in large part to him
not fighting Canelo for a long time. Not to say
that Canelo didn't turn into a little quacker
later, which he did. Right. But in the beginning,
Benavidez screwed himself with poor decisions.
Even if you are just doing in -the -ring stuff,
say your personal decision is only in the ring,
what does missing weight count as? I would call
that, I would say it's related to in -ring activity
because making weight is a part of the sport.
I agree. So if you blow weight, can you be the
greatest? Depends if it happens a lot or no.
Because if it happens once, then... you know
and how close were you right like if you miss
weight by 0 .2 pounds that's a lot different
than fucking ryan garcia blowing it by three
probably on purpose or who was that guy who was
supposed to fight in japan had a very hispanic
name that missed by like six pounds like you
didn't even fucking try it's like jonathan gonzalez
i think it was yeah something very hispanic you're
right um there was another jonathan hispanic
last name on the card as well so i think there's
two people with the same name actually i think
they were both jonathan gonzalez fun and then
the other like if you're doing all time which
i think is impossible and stupid i think all
these greatest conversations they can be fun
if everybody's having fun but when somebody starts
getting like no there is a right answer not fun
anymore i wonder who that's a reference to It's
not just him. It's not just him. People do this.
It's like, oh, well, how could you even possibly
say that name? I think I threw out Marvin Hagler
for whatever weight class that is. And they're
like, well, he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard and
blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't care.
I just think he was the best. At 160, that was
his weight class. And Sugar Ray Leonard moved
up to 160. So I don't know if you want to. If
you want to shit on him for anything, you would
say he lost to that guy moving up. But I don't
know. That happened to me once with Andre Ward.
And I said, like, top 10 super middleweights
and potentially light heavyweights. But I got,
like, no, he doesn't even make the top 10. And,
like, okay, name 10. Like, most of these are
not even real fucking people. yeah but if you
do all time then it's that argument of like well
those guys in the whatever like 30s they would
not compete today they didn't have the nutrition
or training or dedicated camps like if you just
took one of them and put them in a ring with
a mediocre guy today i really think they'd lose
the sport has evolved sports evolve it wouldn't
even be close the modernly trained would smoke
any any classical era boxer of any like even
like jack johnson who is my favorite old -timey
heavyweight would get his ass beat by usik or
uh fucking maybe even joseph parker well yeah
it's like it's every sport if you put an If you
threw Bobby Orr into the NHL right now, without
upgrading him and pretending he grew up with
the modern training and stuff, Bobby Orr is getting
fucked. And the goalies are stopping him. He
couldn't skate as fast. Just look at track and
field. The records keep going down or up, depending
on which they are. There are very few things
that the old guys could do better. because they
don't have the dedicated life to it because they
all had day jobs. Then, yeah, you get into too
much of speculation, too many ifs, where you
say, okay, we take Jack Johnson and we bring
him to the modern era and we give him modern
camps and he's a professional athlete. He does
not do a single other thing with his life but
prepare for fights. I mean, he'd probably be
amazing, but maybe he wouldn't. Because maybe
he was good because of who he was fighting. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, maybe he was just naturally a little
talented, but perhaps didn't have the dedication
it would take for the modern camps and the weight
cuts and the, you know. Given his time, his era,
like the early aughts of the last century, like,
man, it's not a... It isn't an exaggeration to
say that he was definitely limited by his race.
Yeah. He had a lot of trouble that was just trumped
up nonsense simply because he was a black man
that was successful. I always get him and the
other one confused. Is he the one who was arrested
for transporting white women across state lines
or whatever the bullshit charge was? Yeah, that's
the one. Yeah, okay. Because he was taking them
for moral perversions. Yes, yes. I mean, probably.
Well, yeah. The law was that he was making them
into prostitutes. And that's why he got busted.
That's why they wrote it, supposedly. But it's
like, no. Man, they just liked him bigger. Sorry,
buddy. It's not your fault. Not his fault either.
But I don't know. I just... maybe it's because
i'm more science oriented but you have to define
your variables before you have these discussions
because everybody has different characteristics
that they're looking for in different ways they're
thinking about it like i mean the the old uh
discussions about who's the best weight jumper
everybody always says pacquiao because he has
the most belts and the most weight classes but
Would he go up, like, 50 pounds? I think he went
from 105 to 154, but he didn't fully make 154.
So 45, 46? Okay. We'll be nice and just say it's
50. Yeah, round number. There was more than 50
pounds between Usyk and Fury when they fought.
Like, in that fight, there was more than 50 pounds.
So the person who's beat the most competition
at, like, different weights, I think is probably
either Usyk or somebody like Holyfield. That
wasn't a heavyweight that went into heavyweight.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Does that count
as weight jumping though? Some people will say
no, because it's all one weight class since it's
unlimited, but that's ridiculous. Like that is
the weight disparity. It should still be a factor
that should count as a weight jump. Yeah. Somebody
was being very. aggressive about it on the internet
the other day, and I was like, no, like, just
do the fucking math. Like, Usyk has beaten people
from, and I looked it up, I can't remember the
weights, but like, I think it was 190 pounds
to whatever Fury was, 280? Yeah. Like, that's
a 100 pound difference, 90 pound difference,
whatever it is. That's a bigger difference than
anyone Pacquiao ever beat, and Pacquiao has the
quote -unquote benefit. of starting boxing when
he was still growing and malnutrition. No, but
legitimately, Pacquiao from a middle -class family
never would have had that weight disparity because
he wouldn't have been 100 pounds at 16. His frame
was bigger. Yeah. He had famously put rocks.
into his pockets at weigh -ins because he knew
he wasn't gonna make the minimum yeah and like
pacquiao's story is great and i love pacquiao
i am not trying to take away from him at all
but if you're doing these like imaginary lists
you have to kind of define how you're saying
it pacquiao is the greatest weight class jumper
maybe because there's other people that have
gone up and down more Yeah, they just fluctuate
between a certain range. Yeah, well, and I mean,
if you're doing ever, you have... Who was it?
Somebody was four different weight classes champion
back in the day and defended all four belts.
Can't remember who it was. See if I can look
this up real quick. This is when I start making
up names. Yeah. It's somebody I've heard of.
Charlie the Butcher Slinger. The meat slinger.
Is that him? That's good, but that's not him.
No, this is giving me people who've had four
weight classes, but not at the same time. Simultaneously?
I have found that Google is getting stupider,
I think. Yeah, I was having that issue with the
AI thing as well. That we had talked about last
time. Well, and I have found that... Ah, okay.
Most boxing world titles held simultaneously.
Henry Johnson. Henry Johnson. Henry R... Henry
Armstrong? That sounds familiar. Was featherweight,
welterweight, and lightweight champion all at
the same time in 1938. So I guess it was three,
not four. Still a lot. Yeah. Like... But... Does
that count? Because I don't think they were doing
weight cuts back then. They didn't really have
to. Yeah, well, nobody had time. Does it count?
Yeah, I don't know. It's always... I always have...
I have as much as I like. I love them. Sorry,
I'm going to interrupt you. You were making up
names, but... Henry Armstrong, a .k .a. Homicide
Hank. Homicide Hank. That's amazing. Willie Thunder
Road Pepperidge. He's a taxi driver by day. As
much as I like him, it's my favorite trollish
point to say, like, oh, he has the most titles.
No, he didn't. The same. number of people. Other
people have won titles in six divisions because
Pacquiao didn't win titles in eight. Right. I
just love throwing that one out because it makes
me feel good. Yeah, he skipped a couple. You're
right. He skipped a couple and two of them were
secondary titles. Right. And yeah, before you
come for me, I want you to look into it yourself.
Do both of us a favor. before i embarrass you
look it up for yourself and then then and only
then you have my number but like i don't think
i don't think they'd even let you try to have
a belt in three different weight classes and
defend them all now not in boxing no but greatest
weight jumper i mean that has to factor in a
little i think you'd have to in the discussion
anyway i always wonder you brought up a good
point of like do we consider in ring or out or
not out of ring or in ring only and i wonder
if like i would keep you could do both like they
would just be really really similar because like
in in rings in ring only i would have tyson fury
included in heavyweights for just Top 10 heavyweights
of the last 50 years. Sure. But if we're including
out -of -ring antics, then absolutely not. Well,
if we're including out -of -ring antics, I think
Mike Tyson gets knocked out too. Absolutely.
Quicker than Tyson Fury does. Yeah. I think the
list would end up being quite a bit different.
A lot of the top 10 guys have problems outside
of the ring. I'm not a heavyweight person. I
can't think of many. Tommy Morrison? Oh, geez.
Yeah. Like, he's probably in the top 10 list
in the last 50 years. He'd be out. I think that's
why a lot of people try not to include out -of
-ring stuff. You end up losing a lot of the top
guys. A lot of flawed heroes. But if you don't
include it, I don't think Muhammad Ali is as
high up as everyone says. He's still up there,
yeah, but probably not. He's still top 10, but
I... I don't think strictly in -ring that you're
going to put him at number one. He has a lot
of losses, and I don't know. He was beatable.
He was quite beatable. Yeah, and it's always
a what -if question of that time he spent in
prison because he refused to go to Vietnam. Okay,
so let's do this comparison because I think they
have... more similarities than people think muhammad
ali and mike tyson in ring only i think mike
tyson is better he was more unbeatable he was
more scary at the time they both had their time
in prison to like what what if and they both
fought maybe a little too long and took a bunch
of losses at the end of their career yeah um
in ring only I think it does come down to a bit
of style preference because Ali had a little
bit more finesse versus the explosive onslaught,
blitzkrieg type of shit. I don't know which.
But everybody always puts Ali higher because
he was a better guy. And I don't think that's
necessarily wrong. I just think if you're using
out of ring... Tyson shouldn't be on the fucking
list at all. Either Tyson. Keep it consistent.
Tyson Fury or Mike Tyson. But then you lose most
of the best guys. It's a tough question. It is.
It's an interesting one. I would have to actually
sit down and look into people's life to see what
they were like. I don't know. toyed with the
idea like oh this was years ago not not recently
but i had toyed with the idea of running for
public office and then i thought about it i was
like wait do i want people digging into my shit
and stuff that i completely forgot i completely
forgot about is gonna get you know brought up
in my face again like i don't think so blackface
Halloween costumes. Yeah, nothing like that.
No. It made me think of Trudeau. This actually
would be a question for the other show, if that's
the case. Personally, I think you should just
ignore out -of -ring stuff. Yeah. But I don't
think it's fair to... Well... I mean, it's all
just talking and bullshit anyways, but I don't
like how people elevate people really high because
of out of bring stuff, but they don't downgrade
people because of out of bring stuff. Similar
to our last time when we talked about pound for
pound where everyone has to move up, but nobody's
moves down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, so I guess I
hadn't. talked about pound for pound stuff for
a long time but yeah you're right everybody thinks
of it as well if this guy was a heavyweight but
in my head I always do it the other way because
I like the lower weight classes better and I
just every time I try and imagine a heavyweight
shrunk down to a featherweight they just seem
so slow and uncoordinated to me not all of them
but like a lot of them Like, even Tyson Fury,
if you just made him shorter and changed nothing
else, he is too slow to fight anyone. Yeah, and...
And Fury's one of the ones that they say is super,
like... Limber. Athletic and fast and stuff is
a heavyweight. But I'm like, yeah, but if you
actually just take that speed and put it at featherweight,
people would hit him 50 times before he even
knew what the fuck happened. I think of someone
like Artur Beterbiev. who is, of the last 20
-something years or whatever, he's one of the
better light heavyweights that we've seen. But
moving him down to fight, say, Bam Rodriguez.
Yeah, he's too slow. Everything being equal,
you just move, you shrink down, better be it.
And he gets his ass beat. His style lends to
being pieced up by a guy like Bam perfectly.
But if you move him up in weight, he fits in
fine. Because... He hits hard and, you know.
Yeah, he doesn't rely on athleticism nearly as
much. This is why the small guys never get credit
in the pound for pound unless they're getting
knockouts. Because they're like, oh, well, he's
got no power. Yeah, but he's got so much speed
and angles and other stuff. Like, I hate this
argument that boxing is just about hitting hard.
Because it's not. Like, if you took Lomachenko
and made him a heavyweight, he'd kind of look
like Usyk, probably. And that's working. Usyk
has shown you don't need one -hit power to run
a division at the top. Interesting how you had
mentioned it, because as far as I understand
it... And this might be different because this
is like scoring rounds, but it's supposed to
be like that damage is the most important part.
Even if the damage is like, so it's like, do
you hit land three really clean, really damaging
shots, or do you land 10 that are marginally
damaging? Like not as nearly as much. Collectively,
they add up to a lot, but then which one do you
score for? I mean, I score for the more landed
punches, usually. If the damage is equal, and
you land two punches and I land ten punches,
damage is equal, then I have shown more ring
generalship, more accuracy, and more effective
aggression. By landing ten punches, I think.
Having one... one -hit power is always going
to be good because you can win by knockout. But
if you're not knocking people out, effective
aggression is, like, the next thing. And if you
have effective aggression, you usually are winning
the ring generalship. Power versus a bunch of
smaller, less damaging hits is e -ball versus
better DM. Yeah, death by a thousand cuts or
the guillotine. Yeah, like who's the pro box
guy? Algeria? No, the little Japanese guy fighting
on pro box who had never, yeah, had never had
any knockouts, but he gets on pro box and he
just stops people eventually. Yep. Like, I don't
know. I think there would, I think if you imagine
shrinking down the bigger guys. there's been
too much emphasis on power at the high weight
classes they would lose yeah they're also not
used to people throwing that many punches because
at the higher weight classes you're scared to
get hit if you can get knocked out by one punch
like if that's a real threat you don't open up
as much but at the lower weight classes They're
not scared of one punch. They're scared of a
hundred punches. So you can let your hands go
to start with because the chances of you getting
knocked out right away are pretty low. Not impossible,
but pretty low. It's just more fun. The lower
weight classes are more fun. Yeah, when you're
scared of getting knocked out. My favorite example
of this is Mexican -style Triple G when he was
all come forward pressure. Didn't really care
if you hit him a few times. Yeah. Because he's
going to get you with one really good one. The
one time he didn't do that, though, he did not
open up himself to any return fire was fighting
David Lemieux. Because Lemieux could knock a
bitch out. Yeah. Like, that's the only thing
he could do, but he was good at it. It was that
otherworldly... type of power that like deontay
wilder gervonta davis those very rare that people
have it yeah i don't know i just there is definitely
a bias towards the the big guys of course and
always it's all yeah and everybody's like arguments
are always well it's more exciting because anyone
can get knocked out at any time and Well, if
the big guys fought the little guys, the big
guys would win. Those are always the two arguments
people give me when I ask why. And I just, I
don't like when anybody can get knocked out at
any point because they're too cautious. I just
want to see two tiny little men punch each other
a thousand times. Set the record for most punches
thrown every other week. Yeah, it's awesome.
It's way more exciting than the big guys who
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I want to skip the new shit really quick that
you have listed here. Go down to the other ones.
I didn't see the Tsuboi, the debut guy. Yeah,
so he was the very first fight on the broadcast,
I think. SharksFanAbroad on the Discord was watching.
I'm pretty sure he said that he saw that one.
It was his debut, and he looked really good,
and I should pull up who he fought. Because for
a debut fight, it was a crazy opponent. He fought...
A Thai guy who was 14 -3, yeah, 14 -4 now. When
he fought him, he was 14 -3 -0. Wow, that's actually
really damn good. For a debut, yeah. And this
Homoya Suboi knocked him out in the second round,
I think. Or was it the first? How many rounds
was the fight? Give me two seconds, I'll grab
my program. They say everything in Japanese,
so I'm not sure. I've been keeping all my programs,
and I filled up a whole box with boxing programs.
I sent it home with my brother. It was eight
rounds. Eight? Eight -round debut. Yeah. Who
the hell is this kid? That is amazing. I have
no idea. I've never heard of him, but he impressed
the fuck out of me. He looked really good. I
know nobody else can see it, but... that's him
yeah he looks serious he impressed the out of
me i actually missed that it was his debut because
again everything's like he's introduced in japanese
and stuff uh so after the fight i was like holy
who is this guy like he's great and the discord
guys are like yeah that was his debut and i was
like i had to like pull up my program and double
check you should find the fight yeah i want to
see this i have a good idea of where i can catch
it Does ESPN Plus not do rewatches? They have
it up. That's where I was able to catch the last
four fights or whatever. Yeah, he was the first
of the four fights. He was fourth. He's the only
other one that was broadcast except the world
titles. I'll have to look again because I don't...
He really didn't look like he was debuting. No,
I'm really confused. Because I didn't see any
debut level people at all. He was the first fight
on the broadcast, though. Interesting. Okay.
I don't know if ESPN picks up all of them, though.
Well, if there's four fights, he's the first
one. Because there was actually six fights in
the arena. But he's only got... 37 amateur fights
and 14 of those are losses. I don't know, man.
I don't know who this kid is, but I was impressed
and I think people should look him up. He was
good. Kyo Gucci. Was it a knockdown? We had already
started getting into this one on Instagram. Yeah.
Was it a knockdown? I only saw the replay in
the arena. But that's the replay. Like, I don't
think you saw anything different. Probably not.
I don't think it was a knockdown. He got hit
with a punch. There was, like, another second.
And then he missed with a punch and fell. And
they were falling all over the place. I don't
know what the fuck was up with those two. Yeah,
they were slipping a lot. But nobody else slipped.
Like, it wasn't the ring. No other fighters were
having trouble. It was those two were just super
off balance because Ola Squaga had absolute like
cartoon style swing miss flip around and fall
on his face too. He did. I remember that. Like
it looked like fucking Looney Tunes. I'm trying
to find the knockdown here. I don't remember
what round or anything. Yeah. While you look
for it, did you see a close -up picture of Ola
Sklaga's gloves? No, but when I saw the one that
you sent, they look really, really cool. Yeah,
so he had a castle and cherry trees, and his
gloves were pink. So I just thought they were
the coolest gloves I've ever seen. I really like
that he's leaning into the princess nickname.
His t -shirts he had during the... press conference
or the like open workout looked really cool too
i kind of want to see if i can figure out how
to buy a t -shirt from him uh he i think lives
in japan now so does he yeah nice um because
he's got the a for anthony and then the o kind
of wraps around it and the front of the o is
a princess tiara very cool i think it looks awesome
they were talking about it on the broadcast he
got the nickname from uh his previous coach or
his previous camp or whatever and it was because
the way he color coordinates everything uh he
likes to get his nails done eyebrows waxed he's
a metro metro kind of guy and i just i like it
he seems very likable i was having trouble trying
to figure out who to cheer for in this one yeah
those gloves were really cool He also apologized
that the pink dye had washed out of his hair
a little bit before the fight. He's like, my
hair isn't very pink, I'm sorry. Which I think
confused the Japanese people. Do you know which
round it is? I do not. BoxRec has that, right?
No, they're not showing it to me, if they do.
Really? Yeah. They usually say knockdowns and
when. I'm logged in and everything too. It's
usually why it doesn't show. Yeah. That's because
it wasn't a fucking knockdown. Maybe it got overturned.
You know? Wouldn't have changed anything. It
didn't because they reviewed it in the ring.
Yeah, it's not showing. No, it's not. Somebody
will have it. Yeah, I'm checking the scorecards.
It's the 11th. I knew it was late in the fight.
Yeah, that's why I was fast -forwarding from...
I was in the 10th when I stopped. All right.
Did I... You must have skipped it. Yeah. There
it is. There. Wow. The ref's in the way there.
Yeah. Not a good angle. I think they probably
have a replay in between the two rounds. They
will. I just want to see it again from here.
So this right hand lands. The left hand misses.
Or the other way around. And Kiyaguchi misses
with a punch. Yeah, he missed with the right
hand. Alright, replay time. Yeah, I don't understand
why these guys were falling so much. It was almost
like their feet... Well, it's like their feet
were clashing. Even though they're both orthodox.
Alright, so he threw out a little pawing jab.
Yeah. Another one. Leaps in. It hits him with
the left. Misses with the right. And then Kiyoguchi
misses with a right. And he's off balance and
that's why he goes down. I really don't think
that's a knockdown. The punch that landed just
before he did it, though, that's got to be why
they justified it as a knockdown. That's why
they justified it. But the punch lands. It doesn't
initiate the knockdown, or it doesn't cause it.
It doesn't cause the knockdown. Yeah. And it
doesn't land while he's falling. Yeah, he's straight
up slipped. This was not a knockdown. Man, that
is tough. That sucks for the judges. That is
a tough one. And they announced that they were
reviewing it, and I was like, okay, it'll be
overturned. And they showed that replay, and
I was like, excellent, overturn coming, and then
the knockdown stood. It turned out it didn't
matter on the cards, but that was not a knockdown.
I don't think it was a knockdown. I guess it
mattered in that it would have been a majority
win instead of a unanimous decision, but it didn't
change the outcome of the fight. Yeah. Man, that
one is rough. Well, I think something very similar
happened to Ola Squaga a few rounds ago, right?
Like, a punch landed and then he missed and slipped.
Yeah. Because it happened like six times in this
fight, and I do not understand why, because nobody
else was slipping. Oh, that's right. Actually,
now that you put it that way. Like, the canvas
wasn't the problem, because... I think there
was one slip in one of the other fights. And
the main event had no slips that came after.
So it wasn't like water on the ring or anything.
That's what I thought it was. It was like water
getting on the shoes. And then when you go onto
the advertisements, people always slip on the
advertisements. But there wasn't any advertisements,
was there? Just the one that you next in the
middle. That was it. But that's not where they
were slipping. They were slipping over on this.
side like halfway between corners like right
it was really weird and that that one that was
counted and knocked down was in the the one corner
but like i don't think it looks like the ring
was wet or anything no it didn't man that is
doo -doo yeah like i said it ended up not really
mattering but at the time i was pissed i was
yelling it's um It's hard, because I am usually
of the mind that if you get tagged and then slip,
or you slip and you get tagged as you're slipping,
it's a knockdown, whether or not you slipped.
Right. But if he'd have gotten hit while he was
going down, it's a knockdown. But he didn't.
Yeah, he got hit just before the knockdown sequence
began. Yeah, but... That punch did not cause
the knockdown. He was standing after that. I've
seen situations where, like this, and then the
punch that makes it a knockdown had nothing to
do with the guy going down. It just so happened
that he landed it right before he fell. Right.
I mean, it's not the most atrocious call I've
ever seen, but... That's a tough one to make.
Like, you have to make that on the fly, too.
Yeah, I'm not saying the ref did it wrong, but
I thought the review would overturn it. I thought
you were talking about planning for their public
execution. No, no. I was just worked up because
the fights were really good. The fights were
really good. You know what wasn't good? Taraji.
Fucking ref stoppage in the last one. Man, they
saved Taraji. They saved his ass. They bailed
him out. Yeah, they did. So bad. He was behind.
He had to have been. He was behind, except he
wasn't really on the judges' scorecard. Oh, yeah,
right. But his corner told him you have to get
a knockout. He came out in the 12th looking for
a knockout. He was up on two cards. Yeah, I told
you that. It's fucking madness. It makes no sense.
Akui was winning that fight. They were robbing
my boy either way, let's be honest. But Karadji
came out looking for the knockout, which was
great. Like, that was all exciting. But Akui
had taken some damage, but he hadn't been knocked
down at all in this fight. And the ref stopped
it before he was knocked down. It's not... How
do I put it? It's the last round. He's got a
minute and a half. Let him take the knockdown.
He's not going to take that much more damage
if you wait until he falls on his ass to call
it. He wasn't up against the ropes. No. It's
not like he was up against the ropes getting
beat up and hanging there. He was standing. It
made no sense. Let him get knocked down at least.
Like, this is the most clear you gotta save the
favorite I have ever seen in Japan. And poor
Akui, he cried so much in the ring. They did
the, like, cover his head with a towel. He was
just bawling his eyes out. I would be just out
of a fit of rage. Yeah, well, so I think in Japan
they don't yell and get angry. They do the, I'm
so angry, I'm going to cry. Yeah, the man tears.
Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's much more acceptable
here for men to cry than for men to yell. Fellas,
it's completely fine to cry. There's nothing
wrong with it. I wasn't making fun of them. I'm
just saying that there's a cultural difference.
No, I'm not telling you. I'm telling the boys.
Like, get the fucking touch. That's why she doesn't
text you back. Because you're an emotional fucking
retard. But yeah, no, I thought that was a terrible
fucking stoppage. I thought that was atrocious.
I felt so bad for him. Yeah. Stop in the 11th.
Okay, so we're right here. 54, 3, 2. No, no,
he gets stopped in the 12th. Oh, does he? That's
right. Yeah. 12 rounds completed. I'm not very
smart. I just, because Taraji came out swinging
in the 12th, which is what he had to do. I was
sitting there like, he needs a knockout. Somebody
was like, yeah, he needs at least a knockdown.
And I was like, I don't think a knockdown will
do it. Although the crooked fucking judges, it
would have. But I think it's right around a minute
and a half. So, yeah, Tarashi's really bringing
the heat. Oh, and he's winning this round for
sure. Yeah, he is. But winning this round alone,
that wasn't going to be enough. Well, it was.
Well, yeah, when you got the right people in
your pocket. I felt so bad for Akui. Like, we're
at 145, and he's throwing back a little here.
Like, still losing, but he's landing punches.
He's covering. He's defending. Ducking and weaving
a little. Oh, come the fuck on. Right? What?
What? Like, he was ducking and weaving, and the
ref stopped it. Just because he got tagged while
he was weaving doesn't mean that he was, like,
out. Or anything? He was not out on his feet.
No, he wasn't. There's people all over the internet
going, he's out on his feet. He was actively
defending himself. Just not, didn't have his
hands up. I think the ref misread it. Thought
that he, like the hands were down. Even though
the hands were down to, he was kind of, it was
a little showboaty putting his hands down thinking,
I'm just going to head weave my way away from
Taraji. And he got tagged anyway, multiple times.
I think that's why. Sure, but he was standing,
actively defending himself. It's a bullshit stoppage.
It's a bullshit. Top to bottom, it's bullshit.
I'm really trying to figure out what they could
have possibly been thinking. Because it doesn't
make sense. The ref was thinking that the favorite
was losing. And that he has a big next fight
lined up. And he's got to save that next fight.
Is what he was thinking. There's no reasonable
explanation. What, he fights Ola Squaga next?
To unify titles? He called out Bam. Oh. I don't
think that's going to happen. He called out Bam.
Moving up from 112 to 115, it's not terrible.
But, I mean, like, Taraji's the name. Nobody
knows who Akui is. Of course. So, Taraji's getting
a little bit of international fame, and they
wanted to... rescue that i think keep it intact
and instead job his ass on on espn for everyone
to see that was a terrible stoppage it was i
don't care what anybody says akui was not that
damaged it was he was actively defending himself
like even watching the replay you were like this
is where they stop it like it actually looks
worse on the replay than it did yeah that shit
does not make sense It was terrible. I felt bad
for him. Yeah. He looks like a goofball. Taraji
or Akui? Taraji. Taraji's got a weird style.
Somebody in Discord was just super rude. They're
like, his face is terrible. I was like, what's
that even mean? What does that have to do with
anything? Yeah, I don't know. That was a jobbing.
My man, that sucks, dude. Fuck. I felt bad for
Kiyokuchi, too, but that was at least competitive
and decently scored. He was the WBA champ. Akui.
Yeah. Yeah. It's not listed on BoxRec, so I always
forget. Oh, yeah. No, this was a unification,
wasn't it? Dang. Should be fighting Ola Squaga
next. I think Ola Squaga beat stuff. Fuck. Out
of Taraji, I'm not going to lie. Taraji's there
to be hit. All the time. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
know. I was tore up about that stoppage. I was
not happy. Well, we are at an hour -ish, just
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to talk about the press conference. I didn't
see it. You didn't see it? No. We don't have
to talk about it very much, but Tio came in fucking
crazy this time. Tio had a giant sword he was
carrying around. He was wearing a vest with no
shirt underneath and a cowboy hat and like a
belt buckle. And at one point he stood up and
walked a little ways away from the table because
someone else was talking. But like you could
hear him in the background on the mic. Look at
my belt buckle. I got a huge cock. I got a huge
dick. And I'm like, what are you doing, Tio?
And what does your belt buckle have to do with
any of this? And then he... The belt buckle's
his symbol. Yeah. Who's Tio fighting? Barbossa?
I think? He slapped him at the face -off. Like,
just full from the ass slapped him. That's funny.
And poor Jose Ramirez is just sitting there like,
what the fuck? I am the only sane person on this
stage. What have I gotten myself into? Yeah.
Haney's dad was being crazy and giving... Who's
the moderator guy? Him something, I think. Anyways,
the guy who was running the thing, he gave him
shit for introducing Garcia like normal instead
of being like... PD cheat Brian Garcia. And the
only one that was really kind of surprising was
Roley didn't say anything. But he looked just
kind of sad. But yeah, no, the full crazy was
out on the second press conference. So I guess
I'll have to watch the next one. I feel so bad
for Jose Ramirez, though. He's just like, what
the fuck is this? Oh, Barbossa got slapped, so
he's going to come out acting up next time, too.
Well, Barbossa was acting up, like, in a normal
way, though. He was yelling shit and, like, insulting
people. But, I mean, Tio came in full crazy.
It was madness. Excellent. Yeah, well, everybody's
debating. So full crazy usually means Tio's going
to fight well, but his opponent isn't that good.
So mid opponents means Tio fights like shit.
Oh, so which one do we get? The mapping is difficult
on this one. So, I don't know. I think if Barbossa
beats Tio, his career might be done. For his
sake? If he's going to continue to let his shit
go unchecked like that, then yeah, it should
be. And hopefully he'll get the help he needs.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be laughing
at T .O., but man, no shirt under the vest. Yelling,
look at my dick. It's hilarious. That's like
classic manic episode behavior. Yeah. you should
go check out i think i will i think i'll have
to check it out now it was kind of funny i listened
to it at work and i was like because somebody
said teo went crazy and i was like okay but like
can i have the video and listen on headphones
and not get in trouble at work and they're like
i don't know teo's running around with no shirt
on like swinging a sword well you watch fights
with all the time don't you Yeah, and then somebody
asked me why I was always watching half -naked
men at work. I didn't tell you this? Yeah, you
did. I thought, like, it's boxing. That's what
they do. Yeah. That's how it is. My boss doesn't
seem to care, but the girl beside me, I had to
explain that it was a sport and not just me watching
half -naked men. Which, if you were, like, mind
your own fucking business. Yeah, pretty much.
Living in Japan, my Instagram has been slowly
infested with the Asian thirst traps. And I'm
not mad about it. Some of those videos are fucking
impressive. What those guys will do to get clicks.
Like there was one guy, ripped ass Asian dude
with no shirt on, riding a horse, shooting arrows
in slow motion. And I was like, yes. This is
what Instagram was made for. Yeah. That is objectively
really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And then they do, like,
back shots so you can see all the muscles pull
the bow. I was like, yes. I will like this and
interact with it so I get more of this. Yeah.
Well, that's going to do it for the side piece.
Oh, yeah. Are we sticking with that name? Yeah,
I guess, until something better comes up. Okay,
so I was thinking very hard. The only thing,
and the reference is even older, so probably
not going to work, but do you remember HBO Boxing
After Dark? Yeah. It's where the Gaddy vs. Ward
fights were broadcast. Yeah. So for me, it doesn't
work for you, but for me, we record at like 9
a .m. so besides boxing before brunch and it's
not dark for me either so okay yeah boxing before
dark even that that might work boxing before
dark uh i mean boxing after dark looking at it
looks like it's available I think Before Dark
is funnier, though. Yeah. Actually, let me check
that one just to be sure. Nope. Nope, it's not.
All right, Boxing Before Dark. That's what we're
going with. If you want to change it from Side
Piece. I still think Side Piece is funny, but...
It's, um... It's fine. It's just, like, finding
a... Like, I have the Pauly Malignaggi video
that I can put into the intro. Yeah. If I were
to do boxing before dark. We'd have to record
our own. I'd have to make up. I'd have to find
something. I've also been thinking of, like,
what kind of graphic do I want? Oh, yeah. Side
piece graphic could be scandalous. I was thinking,
honestly. Ring girls? No, pastel color, saved
by the bell, sort of late 80s, early 90s type
of radical graphics. Nice. So I was thinking
that. Fair, yeah. I don't know. If anybody has
any suggestions, they should hit up the Boxing
B -Sides hotline. For sure. I am open to all
of the suggestions. All right. I listened to
the first one we recorded, and I do like the
intro, the side piece intro. Yeah, it is pretty
good. You know, we could keep the side piece
intro and then still call ourselves Boxing Before
Dark. That's true. And we could call ourselves
Boxing Side Piece as well. Call ourselves whatever
the fuck we want. Yeah, fuck it. Side piece before
dark? We have nicknames. The before dark, yeah,
the order is important there because the before
dark side piece just sounds cheap. Before dark
side piece? Side piece before dark? Yeah, the
side piece that you see before it gets dark and
you go see your real side piece. The like third
side piece that isn't important enough. The Tuesday
afternoon side piece. Not the A squad. the b
squad hey all right we are out of here