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what else more you want. This is the B -Sides

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Boxing Podcast. I made a fucking major error

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of judgment. I went to Costco on Sunday. That

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was a fucking mistake. Yeah, that is a bad mistake,

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yeah. That's a bad idea. You know what? At least

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it's a choice, though. You can just leave. I

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was thinking about it. I was trying to find a

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parking spot, and I couldn't. So I was like,

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you know, last row, if I don't find one here,

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I'm fucking out of here. And just so happens

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somebody pulled out right in front of me. So,

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all right. I guess we're going. That's sick.

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Sweet. I think I'm ready. Pop a fucking edible.

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If I pop an edible, I don't think I'll be able

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to do this podcast. Oh, I have. I think I'd get

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less. No, I'd lose. I have such bad tolerance.

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Like, I'd be less coherent. I'm going to have

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to put you on game with these, though, because

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these are super, super light. And I take a quarter

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of one, not a whole one. So I'm already. It's

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all it does is like, OK, fair enough. I can feel

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my lungs breathing better. And I become more

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aware of my posture. So that's nice. I get like

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that with gum. I sound like really weird, but

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like I just get like that with gum. The cooler

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air. Yeah. Cooler air. Yeah. I got you. All right.

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Fucking timer is running. Cookies crumble. Farmers

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fumble. Rapaport Rumble. I don't know. Rhyming.

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Rumble in the jungle. Boxing. B -sides. Oh, we're

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here to talk about all the fun shit. Joined by

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the homies. Josh, Alex, how you guys doing? Fantastic.

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After last night, fantastic. Yeah. This is going

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to be a beautiful podcast. Mm -hmm. Actually,

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it might piss some people off. Depending on what

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we're going to say. Oh, well, 833 -589 -7637.

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Get that number ready so that when you hear something

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that upsets you, call it in. Tell me why you're

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upset. Y 'all going to get moist tonight. All

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right. Let's start with our recaps. There's a

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little bit to get through before we get to the

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big one. This one actually, though, to me, is

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kind of important. In the Ariake Arena in Tokyo,

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Seiya Tsutsumi, a .k .a. Punchburger, has a draw

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with Daigo Higa? Draw, question mark? On the

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pick sheet, on the pick league, I was rooting

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for Daigo Higa. No illusions about it. I talked

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about it with Shinada. You can check out the

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side piece episode. He also told me that too,

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I think. Yeah, Tsutsumi won that fight. There's

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no question in my mind. Had a similar situation

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previously with Carlos Adamas. He won that fight.

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Yeah, it's just a rough go. Yeah. I hate when

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that happens, man. It's just a rough go. Like,

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there's so many reasons it could happen. But,

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like... I guess the bright side, the glass half

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full view of it here is that the next fight should

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be better. You see the guys improve. Unless they've

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hit a wall, they improve. One problem with Tsutsumi

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is he cuts easily. This is not the first time.

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And Daigo Higo is eating with his head a lot,

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so he was fighting pretty gross. It's just...

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Yeah. like they'll both they'll be used to each

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other but unless the first fight was like stinky

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stinky like similar uh rock 'em sock 'em robots

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yeah it'll go good it'll go good it's always

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fun yeah who needs brain cells anyway and last

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one junto nakatani quick stoppage over uh david

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WBC bantamweight title. Tsutsumi retains his

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WBA bantamweight title. I expect this is like

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you guys are going to be fighting each other

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eventually. Nakatani, I don't see him having

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competition until either Bam or Inoue. He's so

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fucking good. He defies Japanese style of boxing.

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He's just... He's ruthless and he's good. He's

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a really good finisher. He doesn't yeah in Japan

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or with the Japanese coach, so California right

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take a little credit for that when he trains

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with a Mexican coach He trained who did you show

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it again? He's because I know he's California

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Rudy Hernandez, I think Yeah Eddie something

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Hernandez, I don't remember is that his first

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name Because I know he's not with the Diaz brothers.

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He's not. No. He's not with anyone well -known.

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No, but it's like... He's just like, fuck, just

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so solid. Yeah, no notes. This was a number one

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contender for his title, and he sparks him in

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three. Yeah. This shit wasn't even close. I don't

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think Sutsumi is going to give up much of a fight

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either. It has to be Bam or Inoue. It has to

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be an elite opponent. Sutsumi is tailor -made

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for Nakatani. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, yeah.

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Sad to say, but... I mean, fuck. What was it?

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Two years ago at this point, it looked like he

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killed Andrew Maloney. That fight was... So good.

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That's why when I said I like to clown on Jason

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Maloney, but not Andrew, it's because of that.

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Yeah. I thought Andrew died. It looked like he

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just flatlined. Oh, my God. Monstrous straight

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left. Exhaustion. Perfectly set up. Yeah. It

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landed flush. That was scary. You shot him. Yeah.

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No, Nakatani's so good. it's not even that i

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need to see him with better competition like

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he's fighting the best available other than like

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the legacy defining elite fights his contemporary

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champions uh yoshiki takei has a wbo uh ryosuke

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nishida has ibf and obviously sutsumi wba so

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all the belts are in japan there's I know Nishida.

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He's with a smaller promotional company. He wasn't

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supposed to win when Emmanuel Rodriguez came

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out to fight him. That wasn't supposed to happen,

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but it did. So got to do something with it, buddy.

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Yeah. Cash it in. Well, with Nakatani, he kind

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of has no one until. Yeah, the two options. I

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mentioned tension. I think it's a fight they

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could make. Would it be too early? Probably for

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the next two years, it probably will be. But

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Nakatani will be moved up. I'll say next 304.

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Depends on how Nasukawa progresses. That's true.

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There's a chance he just flourishes in his next

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two fights and we're talking about him as a viable

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opponent for Nakatani next. Nagatani's one of

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those guys I really just can't complain about.

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Fights the best guys available. He's going to

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keep doing that, and the elite fights will come.

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Can't wait for the anyway fight. Yeah. That's

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a Super Bowl. Japanese Super Bowl. Oh, my God.

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That's a real super fight. If they stick that

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on the New Year's card. Oh, I'll be great. We

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got to make the trip. Oh, that would be one worth

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going out there for. I think we're making the

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trip. I'm maxing out a credit card to make the

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trip. That would definitely be worth it. Because

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that's a lifetime type of thing. CIBC, you didn't

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hear that? I'm not maxing out my credit card.

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But I would max out my credit card to go watch

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Inoue Nakatani on New Year's. I think I could

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die happy after that. That would be something

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you'll never see again. Yeah. I'd take the Ollie

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Frazier of the Japanese. Live podcast at the

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hotel afterward. Yeah, those are always fun.

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Actually, they're a lot of fun. Hell yeah. Anything

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more for the Japanese card? Come on, anyway.

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I would like Tim Zhu. Charlo. Where are you?

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All right, let's knock some quick ones out of

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the way here so that we can get to the meat of

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the dish. On Friday, February 28th, Rocky Hernandez

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versus Rene Deyes. Rocky gets a UD, so congrats

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to him. Black Leamy's a good venue. Is it? Like,

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get no? Very nice casinos. Very nice hotel. It's

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a good small venue. Good small hall shows. Cool.

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March 1st. The beginning of the day. No Limit

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in Brisbane. Liam Wilson. You may remember him

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from fighting Oscar Valdez. Topric snubbed me

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on that one. Motherfuckers. Yeah. Yusef Dib.

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They rematched. Liam Wilson gets the UD. Moving

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to match room in Belfast. I'm calling it Ireland.

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It's not Northern Ireland. There's only one Ireland.

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United Kingdom. There we go. We're the wokest

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boxing podcast. The wokest would say there's

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only one Ireland and it's the Republic. Anyway.

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Two fights that I wanted to point out. Craig

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Richards stops Patrick McCrory in eight. It was

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fun scrap. I think they called it a good old

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Irish dust -up, even though I think Craig Richards

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is British. Yeah. Lewis Crocker wins by disqualification

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in the eighth. Patty Donovan. Did you guys watch

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this one? Yeah. That was a... It's unfortunately

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not the worst ref call of the day. No. It was

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not. It was not, but for the context of the fight,

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the DQ was correct, but we should not have gotten

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there to begin with. The two points taken earlier

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was kind of soft. For a headliner. Domestic dust

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-up between two undefeated prospects. That's

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the two points you see in an amateur ring. It's

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not something you see in a pro fight at this

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stage. No, never. The DQ, yeah, I hit him after

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the bell. On top of a lot of other things. Yes.

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But, like, the referee... Is supposed to be aware.

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Of how much time is left in the round. And he

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should be way closer. Especially with how raucous.

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That venue allegedly was. Allegedly. Yeah. Everybody.

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Commentary. We had one guy that was there. And

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he was saying. This place is fucking nuts. Yeah.

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Like, hell, even, like, amateur boxers and, like,

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the referee has to be there. It gets fucking

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loud. And any replay, and he's just sitting so

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far away that there's no way, like, unless he

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can stop time and walk up to the boxers and that

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split second when the bell rings, there's no

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way he's getting in there to prevent that. Makes

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sense. Like, It was just lazy refereeing, and

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I don't think, like, the rematch, like, Patty

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Donovan, uh, Loose Crocker's gonna get his ass

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beat again. He was getting fucking murdered.

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Oh my goodness. That was, that shit was not even

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close. It was, it was so bad. The interview after

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the fight was kind of embarrassing, too. They're

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admitting that their plan was to Homer Simpson

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Patty Donovan. What? They were like, we'll get

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him in the later rounds after we weather the

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storm. And I'm like, unless you are Homer Simpson,

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it's not happening. So for context for everybody,

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throughout the eight rounds, Patty Donovan was

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headbutting. He was throwing elbows. He got two

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points docked in different rounds for headbutts.

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So to get disqualified for a shot, after the

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bell. Here's the problem that I have with the,

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it was loud. It was, it was really rowdy in there.

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So he couldn't hear it is that he throws the

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last punch and it lands. Crocker goes down. Did

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he, maybe he milked that one a little bit. Eh,

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perhaps his eye was in really bad shape and it

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just got tagged again. I don't know. I'm not

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gonna, I can't speak for Crocker and how the

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situation with his eye, but after he threw that

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punch, patty's hands like he started walking

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back to his corner so i don't know i i feel like

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he heard it and he threw it anyway just my my

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sense i wasn't there would have been the how

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they saw it yeah it i i also have the benefit

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of all the camera angles and like sound isolation

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and blah blah blah all the technology and patty's

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just in there throwing punches that's With a

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fuckload of people screaming. Yeah, like we're

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not there. Exactly. We get to watch. I wasn't

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there, so I can't speak. I can only tell you

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what I think happened. And that was just my speculation.

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So we'll leave it at that. Moving down. Queensberry

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this time in Burnmouth. This was in England proper.

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Only two fights I wanted to point out. Carol

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LaTalma. He's related to Moses. So the younger

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brother. The smaller brother, I should say. Gets

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TKO3 over... Shit. Mikhail Ludvichak. I'm getting

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better with these really European names. I'm

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going to be honest with you. This is thanks to

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the MMA show. That's where I... The Dagestani

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names are really... They're clutching up. Yeah.

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They're coming in clutch. Send your kid two,

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three years to Dagestan. Forget. And the main

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event, Ryan Garner, UD over Salvador Jimenez

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for the vacant... What is this? Was that EBU?

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I believe it was. EBU. Yeah. The WBC International

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130. So, congrats to Garner. Does this matter

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in the division? Not really. Not yet. England,

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the UK, and Japan. They have a domestic progression,

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a domestic ladder that does matter. So when you're

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seeing these Euro guys or UK guys get the British

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title, Commonwealth title, then they step up,

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they get the EBU title. or some version of, like,

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the WBC European or whatever, that matters. Yeah.

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Because these guys are climbing the ladder that

00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:57.039
is, that's their system. So you're going to be

00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.079
seen. Yeah. Better than the American ladder,

00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:00.940
I'll tell you that. It is. It is a lot better.

00:19:01.940 --> 00:19:06.440
Yeah, I guess as fans get to be more overly critical

00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.000
because they get showcased at this stage by major

00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:10.819
promoters because they don't have, like, a pro

00:19:10.819 --> 00:19:15.000
box. Yeah. They haven't got a Pro Box. Matchroom

00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.319
Next Gen is getting off the ground, but it's

00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.420
not Pro Box. Yeah. And it will never be Pro Box.

00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.359
We stand Pro Box in this house. You can only

00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:31.920
emulate greatness. You gotta stay loyal. Exactly.

00:19:33.019 --> 00:19:37.500
Alright, let's move on to last one before the

00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:44.680
big deal. In... Fajardo Puerto Rico. Salida Promotions.

00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.500
And there's some other local one. They have a

00:19:48.500 --> 00:19:53.400
funny name. I forgot to take note. Comey. Alfredo

00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.240
Santiago versus Javier Fortuna. God damn. There's

00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:03.099
a name I did not want to hear anymore. Just whatever.

00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:07.359
Subreal Matias in the main event. Which one?

00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:12.039
Which one what? Which name did you not want to

00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:16.500
hear? Javier Fortuna. The dude is way, way past

00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:20.480
it. And he's doing these domestic level things.

00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.539
So I guess congrats on keeping your career going

00:20:23.539 --> 00:20:28.019
at this point. But he's well past his prime.

00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:36.359
He's at a level. I would call this my unified

00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:41.440
theory of fight sports laundry. so at the tail

00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.420
end of your career before you're washed you're

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in the hamper because you're you still have a

00:20:46.819 --> 00:20:50.180
little bit of name value you know so you can

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still do some stuff but you're definitely not

00:20:52.700 --> 00:20:55.200
who you used to be and you're about to get put

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in the wash if you keep going too long and that's

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where fortune is at i think he's been in the

00:21:00.099 --> 00:21:03.720
wash for me yeah he's been there for a bit so

00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.440
it's even like then the one where if the the

00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.039
other step if you skip You could go from the

00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.839
hamper to the wash if you quit on your own. But

00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:16.579
if you don't, you keep going. You become like

00:21:16.579 --> 00:21:20.140
a dirty rag. Yeah, he's a dirty rag. That you

00:21:20.140 --> 00:21:23.500
clean up. You clean up your... Un trapo. You

00:21:23.500 --> 00:21:28.940
clean your shit with. Yes, el trapo. Yeah. That's

00:21:28.940 --> 00:21:31.839
what you become if you don't stop. The trapo

00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.480
theory. I love it. Yep. Fight sports laundry.

00:21:36.379 --> 00:21:39.720
Uh, Subaru Matias in the main event, he beats

00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:43.960
the shit out of Gabriel Valenzuela. Um, it was

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:45.880
eventually stopped. I don't remember what round

00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.160
I think is the seventh, sixth or seventh. Good

00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.920
for Matias. Yeah. Uh, that was like a final eliminator

00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.440
for IBF. So Matias should be getting a shot at

00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:00.740
Hitchens. That's not good for Hitchens. If he

00:22:00.740 --> 00:22:06.490
can do his usual, like, dumpster fire voodoo,

00:22:06.490 --> 00:22:12.569
then it should work. But I really hope he just

00:22:12.569 --> 00:22:16.329
beats the shit out of Hitchens. Why is that?

00:22:16.549 --> 00:22:20.250
Because I don't like the way he fights. I just

00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:23.410
want to see what you would say. I hold the view

00:22:23.410 --> 00:22:27.950
here. A 140 with Matthias in the world title

00:22:27.950 --> 00:22:31.849
mix will always be fun. Oh, hell yeah. He's vulnerable.

00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.400
He can totally be outboxed, but fuck, he's dangerous.

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And it's not even like he's dangerous in, like,

00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:44.519
a wilder way where it's a suspense. No, he's

00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:46.819
dangerous. He's got bricks for hands, and he

00:22:46.819 --> 00:22:49.339
can't really apply them, so he will just break

00:22:49.339 --> 00:22:52.420
you. And he's got a kill list already. He does.

00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.759
Yeah. People forget we could die in boxing. Sabrina

00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.420
Matias has killed a dude in the ring. This shit's

00:22:59.420 --> 00:23:03.460
real. Unless it's Liam Parra, of course. I mean,

00:23:03.500 --> 00:23:07.819
even his second fight with Petros Anyan. Oh,

00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.759
I can't pronounce that. With Petros. You got

00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:14.660
it. Anyan. That was a tough watch near the end.

00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:16.880
I was thinking the same thing. I was like, man,

00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:19.480
we don't need to see another Dadashev. Somebody

00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.839
needs to step in and stop this. Just beat the

00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.579
piss out of him after the third round. Yep. I

00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:29.000
remember that. I was like, it's Zubril Matias.

00:23:29.710 --> 00:23:32.390
Who the fuck is this? Let's check out his catalog.

00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:37.329
Oh, he killed a guy. Oh, yeah. Dada Chef. What

00:23:37.329 --> 00:23:41.690
happened to Dada Chef? Oh, he's dead. Oh. Awkward.

00:23:41.890 --> 00:23:45.730
Yeah, awkward. Holy shit, man. 140 has just this

00:23:45.730 --> 00:23:49.349
bevy of, like, mental patience and, like, vulnerable

00:23:49.349 --> 00:23:52.890
champions at the top, too. So, like, Teofimo

00:23:52.890 --> 00:23:57.849
Lopez comes dialed in? Okay. Like, yeah, he can

00:23:57.849 --> 00:24:00.579
totally beat Matias. He comes in on an off night,

00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:08.940
and Matias... Retires him. Yeah. But these fights,

00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:13.279
they're dramatic, but not because of what might

00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.019
happen. They're dramatic because of what does

00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:17.259
happen, and I like that. I like Matias bouncing

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:21.640
back. He's been having a good bounce back. Give

00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.980
him another title shot. Fuck it. Yeah, he's earning

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:27.619
his way back up. I would want to see him against

00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:29.440
Hitchens, though. I do want to see him. Hitchens,

00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:34.319
it's your time. Yeah. I'm going to give it your

00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.019
all. His contemporaries. So he's going up for

00:24:38.019 --> 00:24:41.619
Hitchens at the IBF. Teofimo and Barbosa have

00:24:41.619 --> 00:24:47.779
to rectify their title situation. Alberto Pueyo,

00:24:47.900 --> 00:24:50.960
split decision, question mark. Question mark,

00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.339
exclamation point over Sandro Martin. I don't

00:24:55.339 --> 00:24:58.480
think Martin lost that fight. As ugly as everyone

00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.920
says his style is, it doesn't fucking matter.

00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:05.519
I don't think he lost. Alex, do you think Poirot

00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:10.880
won it out? No, not at all. I'm just going to

00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:13.119
start with this stat. I already knew PBC was

00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:14.619
going to be on the bullshit this night. As you

00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:16.339
can see in the chat, I call it out each time.

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.960
I call it each and every motherfucking time.

00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.940
that they pulled the shit. I knew they were going

00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:24.180
to fucking rob Sandor Martin. I knew it. Man,

00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.660
you can't go to bat for Sandor Martin, bro. You

00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.119
got to pick your battles. You can't go to bat.

00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.500
You can't go to war for Sandor fucking Martin,

00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:34.180
bro. No, no, no, no. Because you know how many

00:25:34.180 --> 00:25:38.519
times Sandor Martin has been robbed? Dude, I

00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:40.960
don't care. Three losses? I don't care, dude.

00:25:41.059 --> 00:25:43.200
I don't care. Sandor Martin deserved to win.

00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.579
He deserved a title. Maybe he's not the best

00:25:45.579 --> 00:25:47.660
style to watch, but he definitely didn't lose

00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:49.740
that fight. And honestly, that was a fun fight

00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:51.359
to watch. It was not a bad fight to watch. I

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.359
liked it. And I think Sandor Martin... I think

00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.220
Sandor Martin... Yeah, it was for the sickles

00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.440
like us. And I think Sandor Martin pulled it

00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:03.019
off pretty easily. And the fact... Yeah, cleanly.

00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.000
And the fact that they... My God. It's already

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.980
getting me mad. Because I already had all this

00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:11.380
pent -up aggression for the main. I think...

00:26:11.380 --> 00:26:14.220
But I just remember... Last week, I brought up

00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.539
this point. I brought up this point about exclamation

00:26:16.539 --> 00:26:19.849
marks. And, again, we have the benefit of being,

00:26:19.930 --> 00:26:22.089
like, he was robbed because we see the whole

00:26:22.089 --> 00:26:25.910
fight and all the work. But if Sandor Martin,

00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:28.910
like, say what you will about his style, he's,

00:26:28.930 --> 00:26:31.009
like, allergic to putting an exclamation mark

00:26:31.009 --> 00:26:35.309
on a round. He operates with... He has the M

00:26:35.309 --> 00:26:38.289
.O. that he can just steal a round. I figured

00:26:38.289 --> 00:26:40.849
it out. No matter what. When, like, regardless

00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:44.930
of the circumstance. That's his M .O. Because

00:26:44.930 --> 00:26:49.269
Sandor Martin... needs to put an upside down

00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:52.289
exclamation point before he can put an exclamation

00:26:52.289 --> 00:27:14.579
point. But, no, like, he's just, like, so, like,

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.400
if you're a ringside judge where you can only

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.339
see it from one side. One angle. And Foyo Shu

00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:25.160
shines him at the end of a round. Or Martin.

00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.059
That only happened in, like, the last five, four

00:27:28.059 --> 00:27:30.700
or five. I know. I was about to say, yeah. I

00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:35.279
know. It's just, like, Sandor Martin doesn't.

00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:40.259
He doesn't. I get. I get it. I get. that Varden

00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.079
was hard done, but his style also does himself

00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:47.839
no favors. True. Yeah, that's true. He's risk

00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.000
-averse, which is cool. You don't get hit that

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.500
much. You can outbox the other guy. You also

00:27:53.500 --> 00:27:56.160
don't hit the other guy that much. That's true.

00:27:56.579 --> 00:28:01.039
You're right. However... It's controversial,

00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.220
but it creates controversial decisions where

00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:08.259
you're just like, yeah, send or beat him, but...

00:28:10.210 --> 00:28:14.049
Like, the juice isn't there. Stan Dore was pretty

00:28:14.049 --> 00:28:18.309
aggressive for his style, of course. He was more

00:28:18.309 --> 00:28:20.410
aggressive. Exactly. He was more aggressive than

00:28:20.410 --> 00:28:23.269
how he's been in his past. I don't even know

00:28:23.269 --> 00:28:24.569
how many fights. This is the most aggressive

00:28:24.569 --> 00:28:26.609
I've seen Stan Dore Martin. You know what I mean?

00:28:26.690 --> 00:28:31.069
Fair. And so, for me to watch that, let me tell

00:28:31.069 --> 00:28:33.569
you this. Actually, I want to become a PBC judge.

00:28:34.410 --> 00:28:37.730
I want to be a judge so I can become fucking

00:28:37.730 --> 00:28:40.009
rich. Because those motherfuckers, I swear to

00:28:40.009 --> 00:28:43.349
God, they want some bullshit. Eight to four for

00:28:43.349 --> 00:28:47.690
Puyo? I like Puyo. Yeah, eight to four for Puyo

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:50.509
is kind of stinky. That's rough. It's so fucking

00:28:50.509 --> 00:28:54.869
stinky, dude. It hurt me. It hurt me. I'll be

00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:56.809
devil's advocate with a lot of judging stuff

00:28:56.809 --> 00:28:59.049
for these types of fights because it's like you

00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:01.819
see one side of it. So if all the action happens

00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:04.420
on one side of the ring for a round, you're basically

00:29:04.420 --> 00:29:07.200
guessing. With the cameras in front of you and

00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.220
bullshit in front of you. That's facts. Judges

00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:14.119
should be in isolation booths in the back. Yeah.

00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:18.920
Especially if you... Let's say you only catch...

00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:20.779
Because you have the camera crew in front of

00:29:20.779 --> 00:29:24.259
you in the whole presentation. Most of the action

00:29:24.259 --> 00:29:26.220
happens on one side of the ring. And then when

00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.039
it comes over to your side, you see Pueyo have

00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:29.779
a good moment. That's what sticks in your head.

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.119
And even if you're not thinking it like subconsciously,

00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.680
you'll be like, yeah, I think this close round,

00:29:34.819 --> 00:29:39.279
I'll shade it to Pueyo. Because I saw more. Yeah,

00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:40.940
I saw more from Pueyo. And it's subconscious

00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:44.359
because these judges will be like, it's just

00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.680
like it's a flaw with boxing. But also some of

00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.960
these guys don't do themselves any favors later

00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:54.440
in the fight. It's true. Because it can be, like,

00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.200
you'll think Puyo's up six. Or, like, you'll

00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.019
think Sandor's up five or six. But, like, it

00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:03.680
can totally be, like, three -two if the rounds

00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.519
were remotely close and depending on the angle,

00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.480
whatever. No, you're right. I agree with you.

00:30:12.980 --> 00:30:15.160
I'm not saying the decision was right. I'm just

00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.740
saying it's not... You can't throw shit at all

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:21.420
the judges for weird scorecards when, like...

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.839
The sport is just set up against them to actually

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.799
see the fights. But the scorecard, an A4 scorecard,

00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:33.380
though? No, that was bullshit. That's gotta be

00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:37.019
bullshit, dude. That's like the 118 -110 Kellum

00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:41.880
Smith. He won the fight, but come on. They obviously

00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.819
had... You know what I mean? Well, it's not...

00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:49.859
The Kellum Smith one, I'll give you the... I'll

00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:52.599
defend that one a little bit just because oh

00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.119
like you know you grade it round by round it's

00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.220
not so like if you if you if you have a bunch

00:30:58.220 --> 00:31:00.279
of close rounds in a row and it was a close fight

00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.440
it was a good fight but you shade them all for

00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.059
one person because you think they did slightly

00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:07.079
more it just looks like they won by a country

00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.940
mile when it's it's a close fight it's deceptive

00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:15.700
that way kind of thing yeah 118 110 it's still

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:20.059
wild to me There wasn't 181, was there? I thought

00:31:20.059 --> 00:31:25.259
it was 7584. Oh, Callum Smith. I'm sorry. But

00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:27.779
for that, for Callum Smith, but the Callum Smith

00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:31.720
one, like if he shaded all those rounds by like

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.779
1%, it comes out to that score. The same as if

00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:39.839
he just beat his ass for that many rounds. It's

00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:44.849
just in how the score is scored. Well, like I'm

00:31:44.849 --> 00:31:46.990
just like this is the point of view I have from

00:31:46.990 --> 00:31:49.890
like like I like I hang around ringside and I

00:31:49.890 --> 00:31:52.109
corner bought like amateur events I've fought

00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:56.369
in amateur events. It's just kind of like I Don't

00:31:56.369 --> 00:31:58.849
booze until after I leave the venue. So you just

00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:02.769
kind of watch how everything is. I Totally understand

00:32:02.769 --> 00:32:04.390
this, you know, I think is I totally get what

00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:07.710
you're saying But come on, dude. Come on. Yeah.

00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:10.170
No the perception the optics are horrible. The

00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:14.490
optics are yeah, I understand I agree with that

00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:18.150
point. I have made that point a lot in the past,

00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:22.670
that if it's a super competitive fight, but one

00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:26.549
dude is getting it 51 -49, like I said, just

00:32:26.549 --> 00:32:31.170
by a smidgen every single round, then it's going

00:32:31.170 --> 00:32:34.170
to look like it's bad when it's 118 -110. But

00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:37.410
if you're just looking at the numbers, it does

00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:42.039
not tell you the story of the fight. seeing it

00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.200
up close you really have to watch you really

00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.380
have to you gotta think about whether like like

00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:49.359
you have to watch the fight and decide whether

00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.500
it was close or not because if like if one like

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:54.519
there's a difference between like a clear cut

00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.180
like that guy won robbery and like a close fight

00:32:58.180 --> 00:33:01.119
with a lopsided scorecard because a judge from

00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.680
one angle with a ton of moving parts around them

00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:09.960
saw gave a guy 51 49 eight times To cap it off,

00:33:10.059 --> 00:33:12.920
I'm going to say one thing in particular, and

00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.259
that's Josh, you had said can't throw shit at

00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:19.400
judges, you know, because they have just a single

00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.480
seat and a shitty vantage point. I'm going to

00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.119
disagree. I can shit on judges all I want because

00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:30.619
I'm an armchair fucking warrior. True, true.

00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.019
See, I decide to shit on fighters because they

00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:38.319
can control it. That's true. We're different

00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.160
breeds of... They can text me and I'll tell them

00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.980
what the score is. Yeah, they can also score

00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:44.779
it how I want to. Yeah, they can score it how

00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:48.299
I say they should. Everyone would be happy. True,

00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.220
true. That's facts. You know what? The fighters

00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:53.599
could just knock each other out. They could be

00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.660
better. That's facts. Why leave it to the judges?

00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.140
Yeah. The judges are an option. Like, if we're

00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:03.299
going for true armchair analysts, why didn't

00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:05.200
Sandor just knock him out in the first round?

00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.320
You know what? That's right. Is he stupid? He

00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.800
might be. He should have actually knocked out

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:18.559
Teofimo. Fuck, he was so open. If Sandor took

00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.679
any... If Sandor wasn't, like, was into taking

00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.960
risks, he probably could have stopped Teofimo

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.940
just by knocking him down eight times. You get

00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.880
ahead of the Devon Hayes treatment. Nobody wants

00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:37.570
to fight anymore. Well... The woke left. It's

00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:41.909
the woke left. We'll get to a guy that... Alright,

00:34:42.050 --> 00:34:47.050
let's move up. I need to cue up a sad song here.

00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:51.869
Ryo Valenzuela loses his title in a one -sided,

00:34:51.889 --> 00:34:55.690
like a 120 -108. The homeboy just got completely

00:34:55.690 --> 00:35:01.190
swept by Antoine Russell. Man, I was hoping Ryo

00:35:01.190 --> 00:35:06.260
would pull it out, but damn, dawg. You can't.

00:35:07.420 --> 00:35:11.280
I'm at a loss for words at the moment. Alex,

00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:15.139
kick us off. What do you got? Honestly, I was

00:35:15.139 --> 00:35:19.699
speechless during the fight. Just because I honestly

00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:23.500
expected Ryo to do so much more. He wasn't active

00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:25.659
at all that fight. I don't know what was up with

00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:29.300
him. It was totally passive. And with Robert

00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:33.420
Garcia as well, what was his corner doing? You

00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.250
know? I'm not asking that, like, it's Robert's

00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:37.730
fault. I'm asking, like, legitimately, like,

00:35:37.869 --> 00:35:40.630
I didn't really see a lot of commentary from

00:35:40.630 --> 00:35:42.949
Robert's corner because they didn't really focus

00:35:42.949 --> 00:35:44.750
enough. Because, obviously, they're favoring

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:47.650
Gary Antoine Russell. You know what I mean? He's

00:35:47.650 --> 00:35:50.329
the house fighter. He's the house fighter. Well,

00:35:50.329 --> 00:35:51.670
they're both house fighters, but the thing is

00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:54.710
that, I mean, they're going to favor Gary Antoine

00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:57.349
Russell. They're both house fighters in that

00:35:57.349 --> 00:36:01.590
they're in the PBC stable, but Antoine Russell

00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:06.280
is the house fighter. Yeah, where they were at.

00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:11.380
Yeah. Honestly, I'm going to be honest, even

00:36:11.380 --> 00:36:14.519
if it went to the decision and Ryle put up a

00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.019
good fight, I still think they would have robbed

00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:17.480
him. Not robbed him, but they would have given

00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.400
it to Darius Juan Russell. If he did put up a

00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.940
good fight, of course. He needed to knock out

00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:28.130
JR to win. Russell's work was obvious. It was

00:36:28.130 --> 00:36:32.170
obvious. It was crisp. It was super clear, even

00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:34.170
to the judges. You could hear that shit on the

00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.670
broadcast, too. Those were thudding body shots.

00:36:39.369 --> 00:36:40.750
That's how you know it's a guy who has power.

00:36:40.750 --> 00:36:44.630
Ryo, though, only has himself to blame because

00:36:44.630 --> 00:36:48.090
every counter he threw pretty much hit. Yeah,

00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:51.670
he was very accurate. He was so accurate. If

00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:54.530
he just turned the activity up a smidge or put

00:36:54.530 --> 00:36:57.550
his legs into it a bit more... We'd probably

00:36:57.550 --> 00:37:00.170
get a different result. It makes Russell a very

00:37:00.170 --> 00:37:01.949
entertaining fight with the rest of the division,

00:37:02.090 --> 00:37:04.829
though. Knowing that he's that prone to counters.

00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:08.630
You know how Ryo fought in the 12th? He should

00:37:08.630 --> 00:37:10.789
have fought like that the whole fight. The first

00:37:10.789 --> 00:37:14.880
six rounds, he let off the hook. No, I think

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.280
the first nine rounds. I was going to say six.

00:37:18.500 --> 00:37:22.980
God, that's generous. Okay, now who's the bad

00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:26.239
guy? No, nine is still generous. Nine is still

00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.619
very generous. Because you know what? I don't

00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:30.840
even think he had it really in him, that fight.

00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:32.980
I don't know what the hell was up with him. I

00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:40.079
will say, Ryo definitely just thought he could

00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.539
one -shot Russell with any of these counters.

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.570
For sure. He fought like he could one -shot Russell.

00:37:47.469 --> 00:37:50.510
And he just didn't. He fought like a certain

00:37:50.510 --> 00:37:52.750
someone on this same card that we'll get to right

00:37:52.750 --> 00:37:57.909
now. But he ain't that type of guy. Let's say...

00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:02.690
Russell fought great, though. Full credit to

00:38:02.690 --> 00:38:06.769
Russell. He looked really good against a really

00:38:06.769 --> 00:38:09.469
good opponent. Can I say something about Russell?

00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:13.820
I'll say this. Russell was... Russell was good,

00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.619
no doubt about it. I think that's probably the

00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:18.420
best I've ever seen him. That was a career -defining

00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:22.059
moment. You know what I mean? Especially after

00:38:22.059 --> 00:38:25.519
a loss like that. The thing is with that, with

00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.639
the whole situation with that fight, why did

00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:33.659
he get a title shot? Why? He wasn't in the mandatory.

00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.320
They just gave it to him. Right? And he took

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.190
it. Wait, can I say something? Wait, wait, wait.

00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:45.650
I don't mean it like that. I'm saying he took

00:38:45.650 --> 00:38:50.650
it, and you could tell, even me, I didn't really

00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:55.050
believe in Gary Antoine Russell, but I'm going

00:38:55.050 --> 00:38:56.849
to use the same exact argument for, again, the

00:38:56.849 --> 00:39:01.150
next fight, but he took the fight, he brought

00:39:01.150 --> 00:39:03.329
it to fucking Ryo, dude. He believed in himself,

00:39:03.590 --> 00:39:08.389
and he, oh my god, it was great. What I'm going

00:39:08.389 --> 00:39:10.889
to say about Russell is that he needs better

00:39:10.889 --> 00:39:14.230
shot placement. Because if he can place those

00:39:14.230 --> 00:39:16.510
shots better, dude, he's going to be a fucking

00:39:16.510 --> 00:39:22.170
killer. In my opinion. I just feel like he can't

00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:24.429
process it. He already has trouble processing

00:39:24.429 --> 00:39:29.150
a fluid defense -offense transition. Yeah. I

00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:33.469
feel like that's just how he's going to be. Fortunately,

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:37.780
yeah. I fully agree with you. He definitely has

00:39:37.780 --> 00:39:40.019
space to improve, but that's just how he's going

00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:42.500
to be for the rest of his career. I agree, yeah.

00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.780
I mean, I got to respect, he kind of just brought

00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:51.699
the fight to Ryo, and that's... Yeah, no, Ryo.

00:39:53.280 --> 00:40:00.000
That was a fun fight, too. It's not like... Russell

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.340
definitely... Like you'd think a lesser guy like

00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:07.460
fucking Chris Colbert would have just folded

00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:10.139
getting hit with those shots. It's not like Ryan

00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.420
wasn't landing. It was just his activity was

00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:14.159
down and he couldn't really figure Russell out

00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.679
until the very, very end. Honestly, with that

00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:24.480
fight, I was surprised he did that good. We take

00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.940
those results. It's good for the division too.

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:33.320
Yeah. It just felt like a little bit, it kind

00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.539
of felt like they were kind of like going to

00:40:35.539 --> 00:40:38.400
bank off the loss of GAR to try to give Ryo a

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.099
win. And so, and I realized during the fight,

00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:43.199
I was like, okay, actually, it's the opposite.

00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:47.840
You know what I mean? Like, don't mind it. It's

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.639
good matchmaking. And the loser, it's not like

00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.280
the loser's completely out. 140's pretty stacked.

00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.900
Yeah. And you know what? Like, GAR, he's a very

00:40:57.900 --> 00:41:00.119
entertaining fighter. He's a very entertaining

00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.889
fighter. That I like to watch. I'm going to be

00:41:03.889 --> 00:41:06.389
excited to watch it from now on. Because last

00:41:06.389 --> 00:41:09.429
night, I was kind of made a fan of him. You know?

00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:13.670
Kind of reminded me of a throwback fighter. You

00:41:13.670 --> 00:41:17.489
know what I mean? That's my two cents. No disagreement

00:41:17.489 --> 00:41:24.889
here. All right. Good. I was just sitting back

00:41:24.889 --> 00:41:28.469
and soaking that all in. That was great. All

00:41:28.469 --> 00:41:32.789
right. Now, last one. I think, Alex, I gave you

00:41:32.789 --> 00:41:37.289
the backstarts. So, Josh, let's... Gervonta Davis,

00:41:37.489 --> 00:41:40.590
majority draw for Lamar Bush. What the fuck?

00:41:40.929 --> 00:41:50.050
Go on. That... My insane take is that Tank is

00:41:50.050 --> 00:41:54.570
no... Kind of... He has a propensity to underperform

00:41:54.570 --> 00:41:59.130
against opponents, like, who are smaller than

00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:03.630
him and the... Like, just in general. Like, please

00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:06.230
remember the Gamboa fight. He looked about the

00:42:06.230 --> 00:42:12.750
same. He looked about the same with Gamboa. Like,

00:42:12.869 --> 00:42:16.610
it's just something he has where, like, if he's...

00:42:16.610 --> 00:42:18.650
Especially with, like, a counterpuncher on his

00:42:18.650 --> 00:42:23.179
level. If you're not 100 % dialed in, your feet

00:42:23.179 --> 00:42:25.219
are going to be shit and your defense is going

00:42:25.219 --> 00:42:27.219
to be shit. And it doesn't matter how powerful

00:42:27.219 --> 00:42:30.639
you are. Like anyone can beat you when you're

00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.679
not focused. I think it was embarrassing and

00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.780
disappointing for Tank to go out and do that

00:42:38.780 --> 00:42:41.500
right on the cusp of getting his legacy matchups

00:42:41.500 --> 00:42:44.440
because now we're going to waste six months where

00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.159
he's just going to beat Lamont Roach's ass in

00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:48.880
the first round because he's going to show up.

00:42:49.689 --> 00:42:53.230
actually focused. It's a waste of time, and it's

00:42:53.230 --> 00:42:56.489
embarrassing, but it's not unexpected. What do

00:42:56.489 --> 00:42:59.190
you guys think? You want to go first? No, go

00:42:59.190 --> 00:43:02.889
ahead. I got a lot to say on the last thing.

00:43:03.110 --> 00:43:05.730
I got a lot to say. I got a lot of shit to talk

00:43:05.730 --> 00:43:11.030
about. Alright, I'll get in there. I think, Josh,

00:43:11.210 --> 00:43:13.250
you nailed it. What I was going to say, anyway,

00:43:13.429 --> 00:43:16.750
is he wasn't... He didn't take this seriously.

00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.260
Like, he was expecting that he was going to get

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:21.719
the, what, knockout in the first four rounds

00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.579
or some shit. And he just kind of toyed around

00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:29.099
looking for an opening. And when it didn't present

00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:32.420
itself, he just didn't seem to have any other

00:43:32.420 --> 00:43:37.880
plan. And big ups to Lamont Roach. My man did

00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.260
not get it. He won just because Gervonta Davis

00:43:41.260 --> 00:43:43.599
could not adapt to the possibility that someone

00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.760
is not going to let themselves get chinned. Yeah.

00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.019
And it's not, it's just his feet. His feet are

00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:56.940
still, like, he has to set those traps. With

00:43:56.940 --> 00:44:01.400
Ryan, he had, with Ryan, he moved laterally and

00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.940
set those traps. So when Ryan came streaking

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:07.380
in, he was in position to throw. Raleigh, same

00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.119
thing. He positioned himself. He didn't make

00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.460
big moves. He crept back to the ropes, sidestepped.

00:44:14.539 --> 00:44:17.800
His feet were there. And when he's not focused,

00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.159
he just stands there and takes punches. Like

00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.099
with Gamboa. The Gamboa fight was the same shit.

00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:28.820
He showed up unfocused and it's just... It just

00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:32.719
becomes embarrassing to watch. Alex, it's time.

00:44:34.340 --> 00:44:37.460
Listener discretion is advised. I think we're

00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:41.340
going to have some NC -17 extreme language. Not

00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:46.559
suitable for under -17s. Yeah. This is gonna

00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.280
be the people versus Tank Davis. The people versus

00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.000
Tank Davis. The people. The people of the Boxing

00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.900
B -Sides. The people. Don't lump us in. Alex

00:44:58.900 --> 00:45:02.679
of Boxing B -Sides versus Tank Davis. Let me

00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.119
tell you this. I'm gonna start off with the simple

00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.199
fact that Tank has the makings of an all -time

00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:15.619
great. Okay. No doubt about it. This fight. Has

00:45:15.619 --> 00:45:18.420
tarnished that. It has dragged it through the

00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:24.000
mud. And as a boxing fan. It has made me. Severely

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:31.820
disappointed. In Javante. The fact. That he brought

00:45:31.820 --> 00:45:35.420
up someone. From Super Featherweight. Gave him

00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:40.219
a shot at the title. And arguably. Lost the fight.

00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:46.079
Is just. It's astounding. And that's only a little

00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.719
part of the argument. Okay? Let me ask you guys

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:55.099
this, okay? When in the history of boxing has

00:45:55.099 --> 00:45:58.440
someone taken a knee, gone to the corner, and

00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.780
had their face wiped? And it was not ruled a

00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:05.019
knockdown? Answer me. I'm being serious. Tell

00:46:05.019 --> 00:46:07.099
me. When has this ever happened in boxing? Because

00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:12.909
I don't remember any time. I think I saw a Sunday

00:46:12.909 --> 00:46:15.449
Puncher member get 10 ,000 likes on Twitter by

00:46:15.449 --> 00:46:17.449
posting that clip of Crawford getting knocked

00:46:17.449 --> 00:46:20.389
down by Mean Machine and not having it called.

00:46:21.429 --> 00:46:24.269
I've seen knockdowns not get called that were,

00:46:24.269 --> 00:46:27.809
like, legitimately, like, punch knockdowns. Yes.

00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:30.369
No. Or stupid technicalities where, like, the

00:46:30.369 --> 00:46:33.010
dude slips, but he got tagged. You know what

00:46:33.010 --> 00:46:36.170
I mean? Yes. A knee? But going to the corner.

00:46:36.730 --> 00:46:39.469
I'm talking about going to the corner and talking

00:46:39.469 --> 00:46:44.400
to your corner. How is that legal? How is that

00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:50.300
legal in boxing? Honestly, my thought, seeing

00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:54.159
it live, I kind of short -circuited being like,

00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.420
what the fuck is happening? There is a non -zero

00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:59.659
chance that the same thing happened to Steve

00:46:59.659 --> 00:47:02.380
Willis because, again, when have you seen it

00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:09.099
happen? Like, odds are that it... Sorry, keep

00:47:09.099 --> 00:47:13.820
talking. Sorry. Like, I'm not saying put yourself

00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:16.000
in his shoes because he obviously should know

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.519
better, but also, like, it's something so baffling.

00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.460
Like, if you've seen every, if you're a boxing

00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:26.320
referee who's seen everything and it's something

00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.860
completely new, it's not a boxer asking for a

00:47:29.860 --> 00:47:32.420
timeout. He takes a knee, pivots on that knee,

00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:34.840
gets up, gets his face wiped, and he's back to

00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:40.679
fighting. Like, what? Hold on. The audacity.

00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:45.539
I know. The audacity. Yeah. The audacity. Let

00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:48.400
me ask you this. The audacity. Let me ask you

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.539
this. Would Lamont have gone DQ'd if he ran up

00:47:51.539 --> 00:47:54.300
the tank and started hitting him? Probably not.

00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.119
Well, I think he probably would have. He probably

00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.659
could have if he did that. No. I feel like in

00:48:01.659 --> 00:48:04.760
that case, you get the knockdown called, though.

00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:08.059
But there's a point deduction for hitting a guy

00:48:08.059 --> 00:48:11.079
when he's down. So like it evens out. But in

00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.860
that case, you force the call. Oh, if he had

00:48:14.860 --> 00:48:18.039
jumped on him and he says, oh, yeah, you can't

00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.059
hit him right now. Like, well, he's down. Why

00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:24.039
not? Why can't I? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like in that

00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.739
case, you do. Yeah. Like in that case, it turns

00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:31.460
it from like a weird non -boxing thing to like,

00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.340
OK, boxing. Boxing boxing moment boxing foul

00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:40.260
Mm -hmm, right like it contextualizes it. I'm

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:42.539
not defending it. Anyway, that's fucking ridiculous

00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:46.380
But I was then how it was missed because you

00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:50.900
have like 80 ,000 people screaming at you And

00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:53.059
like this is something completely new you're

00:48:53.059 --> 00:48:57.340
an old fuckers refereed forever and like Let

00:48:57.340 --> 00:49:02.130
me just take a sec. Let me say this That was

00:49:02.130 --> 00:49:04.170
on purpose. That's Steve Willis right there.

00:49:04.929 --> 00:49:08.429
That was Mayweather's guy. That was Mayweather's

00:49:08.429 --> 00:49:11.909
man. Steve Willis is like... You can't say that

00:49:11.909 --> 00:49:14.969
was Bayless, bro. Steve Willis is the guy...

00:49:14.969 --> 00:49:18.329
Steve Willis is the guy who makes the faces.

00:49:18.929 --> 00:49:22.190
Like crab walks and eyes pointing in opposite

00:49:22.190 --> 00:49:25.210
directions. Yeah, he makes the faces. He was

00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:27.769
in porn in the early 2000s. Wait, wait, wait.

00:49:27.889 --> 00:49:29.969
Okay, okay, okay. You're right. You're right.

00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:34.329
That actually takes a little bit. Yeah, Jar Jar

00:49:34.329 --> 00:49:36.150
Binks. Jar Jar Binks. You're right. Jar Jar Binks.

00:49:36.309 --> 00:49:39.349
You're right. That's my bad. That's my bad. That's

00:49:39.349 --> 00:49:40.630
my bad. To the casual audience, that's my bad.

00:49:40.710 --> 00:49:43.090
I'm also casual. I just show my true casual side.

00:49:43.769 --> 00:49:46.190
Look. Look. That don't matter. That don't matter.

00:49:46.429 --> 00:49:48.909
Because you know what? That's still bull. That

00:49:48.909 --> 00:49:52.050
is still bull. That tank can go to a corner and

00:49:52.050 --> 00:49:53.969
get his face wiped off and talk to the corner

00:49:53.969 --> 00:49:57.289
and not get an appointment deducted. At least,

00:49:57.409 --> 00:50:01.239
my thing is that what did it did it did it uh

00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.400
did he start counting was it didn't they didn't

00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:08.699
i think three or four no but the thing is that

00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:10.760
like he looked you know how when someone goes

00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.260
down and then they look at the timekeeper who's

00:50:14.260 --> 00:50:18.019
actually keeping track of the count he picked

00:50:18.019 --> 00:50:22.039
up the count at like three and then but like

00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.159
again it's just the processing thing We all looked

00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.940
at it. It took a second to realize what was happening.

00:50:31.059 --> 00:50:32.920
It was like, what the fuck? I saw that in chat.

00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:36.780
Steve Willis, he doesn't have the benefit of

00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:40.719
being able to take that second because there's

00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.760
a professional sporting event happening. He's

00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.860
got to make a decision. And sometimes the best

00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:51.780
decision is no decision. If you really don't

00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:54.039
know what's happening, it's easier to make no

00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:57.920
decision. than the wrong decision. Granted, no

00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.760
decision was absolutely the wrong... He made

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.659
the wrong decision. For sure. But he took a knee.

00:51:03.699 --> 00:51:06.619
Imagine the... If you see a fighter take a knee,

00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:09.719
that's an obvious knockdown. His glove touched

00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.000
the motherfucking floor. He went to his quarter.

00:51:12.579 --> 00:51:15.000
His knee touched the floor. That's what matters.

00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:17.659
And the thing is, he went to his quarter, so

00:51:17.659 --> 00:51:20.280
he went... He ran to his quarter and got his...

00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.699
But there's no... Like, he got his face wiped.

00:51:23.179 --> 00:51:25.860
And then came back immediately. It happened in

00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:28.199
the span of a couple seconds. So by the time

00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.920
you're processing the knockdown, there's three

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.480
things beyond that that you now have to process.

00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.880
It's pretty simple that he took a knee. Yeah.

00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.059
He took a knee. That's all you gotta know. He

00:51:44.059 --> 00:51:45.360
just took a knee. I understand there's different

00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.619
angles, but it's pretty obvious the brother took

00:51:48.619 --> 00:51:53.579
a knee. No, it's a bad missed call, but... I

00:51:53.579 --> 00:51:54.559
don't think that was a bad missed call at all.

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:58.079
I don't think so at all. The only way I think

00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.440
it could have been a missed call is the shock

00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.119
of seeing Tank Davis take a knee. Maybe that.

00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:09.400
Maybe. You literally just said, when does a fighter

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:11.820
take a knee and then go to his court? You described

00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:14.400
an impossible scenario, except for this one time.

00:52:16.099 --> 00:52:18.139
My point is that you see a fighter take a knee

00:52:18.139 --> 00:52:19.920
in the first place, you got to start counting.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.320
That is a rule in boxing. Like Jamal Charlo,

00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:30.840
right? I'm not versed enough to think about whether

00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.900
you can retract a knockdown from it. I don't

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:41.179
know. Please, someone call in and correct me.

00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.880
Can you retract a knockdown after it's been called

00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.480
if there's a reason for the knee? Let's say...

00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:53.000
833 -589 -7637. Call it in. Yeah. Like, correct

00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.960
me if I'm wrong, but there would be no way for

00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.159
Steve to go in between rounds and be like, yeah,

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.139
actually, JK, that was my bad. No, that does

00:53:02.139 --> 00:53:06.800
allow for replays. So with the video replay,

00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:11.260
maybe. I'm just positing. I'm not saying that

00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:13.780
it should or shouldn't have been overturned by

00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:18.099
replay, but it's an option. I feel like replay,

00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.800
like the way Nevada does replay should just be

00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:27.519
the standard. Yeah. Sure. Because that way, that

00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.280
way, like, because like what, like, let's say

00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.219
like, yeah, Steve calls the knockdown and then

00:53:34.219 --> 00:53:37.840
no, it turns out it's legitimate. He can't take

00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.219
back the knockdown. Like either decision you

00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:45.889
make in throws the fight off. So, like, from

00:53:45.889 --> 00:53:51.170
the perspective of this is a major fight, no

00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:54.730
decision was what decision made. And it was wrong.

00:53:56.590 --> 00:54:02.269
But also, like, what other way do you... Yeah,

00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:04.130
but the thing is that if he calls the knockdown,

00:54:04.369 --> 00:54:06.769
yeah, Tank has shit in his eye and he needs it

00:54:06.769 --> 00:54:09.849
wiped off. You can't take back that knockdown.

00:54:09.929 --> 00:54:13.010
Now Roach wins and it costs Tank the fight. Well,

00:54:13.050 --> 00:54:15.829
my thing is this and that. He went to his corner.

00:54:16.789 --> 00:54:18.250
That's my whole point, is that he went to his

00:54:18.250 --> 00:54:19.969
corner. It wasn't like a pushdown where he took

00:54:19.969 --> 00:54:22.230
a knee, he tripped, or he took a knee, right?

00:54:22.750 --> 00:54:25.929
He took a knee. He explicitly said, I took a

00:54:25.929 --> 00:54:29.010
knee. And he went to the corner. There's no way.

00:54:29.429 --> 00:54:32.829
The way I feel is like, there's something foreign

00:54:32.829 --> 00:54:37.309
in your eye. You can't call timeouts. You can't,

00:54:37.309 --> 00:54:39.710
like, turn to the referee away from your opponent,

00:54:39.789 --> 00:54:43.269
be like, hey, I can't fucking see. Can I go get

00:54:43.269 --> 00:54:45.030
it wiped off? Because then Roach is just going

00:54:45.030 --> 00:54:48.369
to beat the fuck out of him. How early? I was

00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:50.869
a little bit asked. I think it was middle of

00:54:50.869 --> 00:54:54.030
the round, right? Yeah. Was it? Like, it was

00:54:54.030 --> 00:54:57.730
the middle of the round. How did you not notice

00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:01.730
that, like, a minute before? Yeah. That's true,

00:55:01.789 --> 00:55:05.849
actually. I saw a post of the lady that did Gervonta

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:08.269
taking his hair. She was complaining. She was

00:55:08.269 --> 00:55:10.369
like, I put no grease in your hair. You're bullshitting.

00:55:10.550 --> 00:55:16.130
You're lying. Stop lying. I don't know. Granted,

00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:19.869
the assumption I am making, because it was the

00:55:19.869 --> 00:55:23.210
one made, technically the official decision is

00:55:23.210 --> 00:55:27.170
that there was shit in his eye, right? Is that

00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:28.889
there was shit in his eye. Too much grease on

00:55:28.889 --> 00:55:33.130
your face or something. Yeah. Like, take the

00:55:33.130 --> 00:55:36.769
case of a... I just can't... Like, that's the

00:55:36.769 --> 00:55:38.769
official reason. Like, sometimes... Like, yeah,

00:55:38.769 --> 00:55:40.309
you have too much fucking grief. Like, he gets

00:55:40.309 --> 00:55:42.409
vastly put on his face in between rounds. That's

00:55:42.409 --> 00:55:45.710
normal. Like, just a smidge. But if it's too

00:55:45.710 --> 00:55:48.530
much, people will just stop it and make you wipe

00:55:48.530 --> 00:55:52.909
it off. Yeah. But that's on the referee to notice.

00:55:53.369 --> 00:55:56.829
Yeah. Could have told the referee, like, hey,

00:55:56.829 --> 00:56:01.429
there's some shit in my eye. And then Steve Willis

00:56:01.429 --> 00:56:04.590
decides, do I stop this right now or no? But

00:56:04.590 --> 00:56:08.050
then Roach can just punch him because it's the

00:56:08.050 --> 00:56:09.710
middle of the round. Yeah, he hears him say,

00:56:09.809 --> 00:56:12.949
there's some shit in my eye. I can't see. Or

00:56:12.949 --> 00:56:16.469
like, I got Vaseline in my eye just to game it.

00:56:17.130 --> 00:56:20.349
He said it was his hair thing. So just to game

00:56:20.349 --> 00:56:23.030
it, like, oh, there's Vaseline in my eye. I can't

00:56:23.030 --> 00:56:25.250
see. And then he's like, oh, well, I'll stop

00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:30.139
it in 10 seconds. Well, then. I don't know. Yeah,

00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.400
I feel like the case is, like, remember when

00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:36.980
the Spence -Ugas fight, where Spence totally

00:56:36.980 --> 00:56:39.659
legitimately, like, his mouthpiece did fall out.

00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.000
And, like, that's the case. That's, like, the

00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.340
alternate scenario, where, like, if Tank brings

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:49.699
it up in that way, where he's like, my mouthpiece

00:56:49.699 --> 00:56:52.619
is out, Ugas hit him, like, cleanly, within the

00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:58.650
rules. But, like... That's like it's it's so

00:56:58.650 --> 00:57:02.050
weird that like I feel like that shouldn't define

00:57:02.050 --> 00:57:06.909
the fight I feel like the rest of the rest of

00:57:06.909 --> 00:57:10.130
decks embarrassing fucking performance. Oh my

00:57:10.130 --> 00:57:13.349
god be the topic because focusing on this one

00:57:13.349 --> 00:57:17.369
like Grease gaily like once -in -a -lifetime

00:57:17.369 --> 00:57:19.530
Occurrence it isn't a grease gate. Everyone gets

00:57:19.530 --> 00:57:21.510
Vaseline put on their face and especially in

00:57:21.510 --> 00:57:23.889
between rounds once you've been hit Let me tell

00:57:23.889 --> 00:57:26.789
you this. Okay, cuz take we guys know takes up

00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.760
Pretty amazing counterpuncher, right? He's one

00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.920
of the best. Exactly. So you take that away from

00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.159
Tank, what does he have? I mean, again, he has

00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:39.500
the rest of his skills, but you take away...

00:57:39.500 --> 00:57:43.760
You take away his Golden Goose, what do you have?

00:57:44.420 --> 00:57:47.579
He needs to actually fight. He needed to fight

00:57:47.579 --> 00:57:51.800
Roach. He hasn't really done that. To fight in

00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:53.300
the front foot, he hasn't really done that in

00:57:53.300 --> 00:57:57.039
a long time. You know what I mean? You guys know

00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.219
he waits a long time to get started. It's because

00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:03.460
usually when he uses his feet, he can set those

00:58:03.460 --> 00:58:06.480
traps, though, even having to come forward, like

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.440
with Barrios. Because the thing is, you cannot

00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.619
out -bang tank. You cannot do that in your wildest

00:58:12.619 --> 00:58:16.199
dreams, okay? But you can out -skill tank. You

00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.280
can out -think tank. It's possible. And he did

00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.219
that last night. Roach did that last night. He

00:58:22.219 --> 00:58:24.679
made tank go forward, and he counter -tanked.

00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:27.789
With all of his shots. He had an answer for all

00:58:27.789 --> 00:58:31.429
of Tank's shots. And honestly. And I hate to

00:58:31.429 --> 00:58:35.210
say it. Roach. I'm actually happy to say this.

00:58:35.389 --> 00:58:38.349
Roach got the better of Tank. In almost all of

00:58:38.349 --> 00:58:40.969
their changes. In my opinion. Just overarching.

00:58:41.949 --> 00:58:46.769
Especially given how. Poor. Tank's performance

00:58:46.769 --> 00:58:50.250
was. Once he figured out. Oh shit I can't just

00:58:50.250 --> 00:58:53.070
knock him out. I actually have to do something

00:58:53.070 --> 00:58:56.989
here. How much does the change of head coach

00:58:56.989 --> 00:59:05.110
play into this? So much. Calvin Ford had been

00:59:05.110 --> 00:59:08.030
the guy that kept them dialed in. That stretch

00:59:08.030 --> 00:59:10.309
he had after the Gamboa fight where he actually

00:59:10.309 --> 00:59:14.690
started living with Calvin Ford to now. Please,

00:59:14.690 --> 00:59:17.530
like, it's not just his performance in the ring.

00:59:17.750 --> 00:59:20.429
It's how focused he is on the sport. Like, he

00:59:20.429 --> 00:59:23.369
didn't start talking about, oh, I want to retire.

00:59:24.090 --> 00:59:27.250
Oh, this is my last bit. Until he got with the

00:59:27.250 --> 00:59:30.530
new coach. Like, Calvin Ford needs to be the

00:59:30.530 --> 00:59:33.329
dominant voice in this guy's camp. It's just

00:59:33.329 --> 00:59:37.769
what it is. Like, just for one of his peers,

00:59:38.030 --> 00:59:42.179
a similar case. Look how bad Teofimo went downhill

00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:45.079
after Joey Gamache left his camp. They stopped

00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.920
paying Joey Gamache. I forgot Gamache was in

00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:53.460
his corner. Gamache made the game plan for Lomachenko.

00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.519
The winning plan, motherfuckers. The winning

00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:02.019
plan. And then for Kembozos, Gamache was gone

01:00:02.019 --> 01:00:03.559
because Lopez didn't want to pay him anymore.

01:00:03.929 --> 01:00:06.630
Some guys can bounce between trainers and be

01:00:06.630 --> 01:00:10.349
okay. Some guys need their trainer. I don't know,

01:00:10.369 --> 01:00:13.730
dude. It pisses me off to see Hank lose like

01:00:13.730 --> 01:00:16.690
that. Well, he didn't lose, but he lost. And

01:00:16.690 --> 01:00:21.230
in the eyes of the public, he lost. Okay. No,

01:00:21.269 --> 01:00:24.929
but he also lost. I don't mean legacy in terms

01:00:24.929 --> 01:00:26.989
of like, oh, this fight exposed him. His legacy

01:00:26.989 --> 01:00:29.690
is cooked. Because every all -time great even

01:00:29.690 --> 01:00:33.340
has... shit nights. You're not going to judge

01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:41.599
Ali off of his loss. Leon Spinks. Leon Spinks

01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:46.719
was the most comparable one. 7 -0. Who is this

01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:52.119
guy, right? Yeah. And you choke. Choke and lose.

01:00:52.860 --> 01:00:58.119
Who is this guy? Everyone has their one. But

01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.769
this one is... This one is bad, though. This

01:01:00.769 --> 01:01:03.190
one's really bad. That's another thing, too,

01:01:03.230 --> 01:01:05.590
that I think also influenced Tank is him being

01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:09.429
mentally unwell before this fight. Because we

01:01:09.429 --> 01:01:11.730
all heard, I talked about this with you on the

01:01:11.730 --> 01:01:15.030
podcast before, that Gervonta has been talking

01:01:15.030 --> 01:01:18.630
about fucking retiring. Yeah. And people say,

01:01:18.730 --> 01:01:20.309
oh, he's just saying that for bullshit. No, I

01:01:20.309 --> 01:01:23.110
think he legitimately meant that. He legitimately

01:01:23.110 --> 01:01:25.170
meant about, yeah, he talked about retiring.

01:01:25.230 --> 01:01:27.769
And honestly, I can kind of see Gervonta retiring

01:01:27.769 --> 01:01:32.010
after this. I see the timeline of that happening.

01:01:32.969 --> 01:01:37.369
You know what I mean? With the timeline, he has

01:01:37.369 --> 01:01:40.309
to rematch Roach and then he's lost the chance

01:01:40.309 --> 01:01:44.869
at his legacy fights at the perfect time. Exactly.

01:01:45.730 --> 01:01:48.369
This is the moment to be having his legacy fights.

01:01:48.789 --> 01:01:50.909
The thing is, he could ignore Roach. He could

01:01:50.909 --> 01:01:53.489
just move on. But the thing is, there's always

01:01:53.489 --> 01:01:56.340
going to be that stain on his career. You know

01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.320
what I mean? That's going to be part of the promotion

01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:03.019
for every single other fight. Exactly. He beat

01:02:03.019 --> 01:02:06.500
you. He beat you. I don't care what the judges

01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:08.960
said. The guy who lost to Jamel Herring beat

01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.559
you. This whole fight card was not worth the

01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:16.159
$80. I'll tell you that. Except it was not worth

01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:22.039
it until Tank losing. I think that made it worth

01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.360
it. I think we have to consider the health of

01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.940
the market, though, when we talk about pay -per

01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:31.079
-view prices. Because, like, Tank is such a draw.

01:02:31.539 --> 01:02:35.260
And if you need $80, like, you need expensive

01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:38.920
pay -per -views for stars. The problem isn't

01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:41.340
that this is $80. The problem is that nothing

01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:43.360
else except for, like, Pro Box is affordable.

01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:48.179
Yeah. I think, like, the biggest draws of the

01:02:48.179 --> 01:02:51.019
sport should always have expensive pay -per -views

01:02:51.019 --> 01:02:53.280
because them fighting, it's like going to a concert

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.860
or watching or paying for a concert. It's an

01:02:55.860 --> 01:02:59.260
event. Yeah, that's what Floyd Mayweather fights

01:02:59.260 --> 01:03:02.519
were. Yeah, they were events. Like, when Canelo

01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.019
was on that stretch where he'd sell out a stadium

01:03:05.019 --> 01:03:07.679
and have a, like, his ring walkout would be a

01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.400
fucking mariachi band concert. That was literally,

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:15.059
like, it's 80 bucks. I've been at a few of them,

01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.500
actually. And they're... Yeah. Wow. I just think

01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:24.039
the rest of the market devalues this type of

01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.980
event. Because Turkey will put together a card

01:03:27.980 --> 01:03:31.800
that... The card of the century. The card of

01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.119
the century. Everything's the card of the century.

01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:37.420
And it's $20. The next one is the card of the

01:03:37.420 --> 01:03:39.480
century, and it's $30. We're going to get to

01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:42.599
$80 eventually. but it devalues the rest of the

01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.659
market because some guys aren't like i would

01:03:46.659 --> 01:03:50.519
love for better bf and bevel to be pay -per -view

01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.900
stars that would be cool they are not so they're

01:03:53.900 --> 01:03:57.420
not worth that much and it's not any slight to

01:03:57.420 --> 01:04:02.659
their ability it's just like don't pay this you

01:04:02.659 --> 01:04:05.480
don't pay the same for a taylor swift ticket

01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.699
to like your local like cover band You don't

01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:11.900
pay the same. I don't know. You don't pay the

01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:14.940
same money. Do you think the card was worth it,

01:04:14.980 --> 01:04:18.320
though? Because I see what you're saying, but

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.119
to pay $80 to see Tank fight... It wasn't worth

01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.940
$80. That's US prices, right? It's not worth

01:04:24.940 --> 01:04:30.260
$80. That being said, I am... Actually, I legally

01:04:30.260 --> 01:04:32.940
pay for everything. That's why we're asking about

01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:35.840
it. Of course, because we all pay for all of

01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:40.420
them. We all pay for all of it. Like, this would

01:04:40.420 --> 01:04:44.159
be more worth $80 if the market wasn't so inflated

01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.199
with, like, three pay -per -views a week that

01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:49.699
all require subscriptions, and some of them require

01:04:49.699 --> 01:04:53.599
another subscription. Yeah, I agree. Like, it's

01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.500
just crowded. Like, Matchroom, you gotta pay

01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:58.900
for the DAZN subscription, and then nowadays,

01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.760
anyone with a name is on pay -per -view, and,

01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:05.239
like, it's a tough pill to swallow, but you just

01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.809
have to charge more for your biggest stars. Because

01:05:08.809 --> 01:05:10.550
that's the only way you're going to differentiate

01:05:10.550 --> 01:05:15.030
them in terms of an earning perspective. I see

01:05:15.030 --> 01:05:16.650
what you're saying. I agree. But the thing is,

01:05:16.710 --> 01:05:19.090
people don't become pay -per -view stars because

01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:22.369
of how much the pay -per -view is worth. They

01:05:22.369 --> 01:05:23.849
become pay -per -view stars on who they fight.

01:05:24.610 --> 01:05:28.130
Yeah. See what I'm saying? Yeah, but Tank is

01:05:28.130 --> 01:05:32.929
a unique case. Canelo had a sellout arena and

01:05:32.929 --> 01:05:36.630
everything to fight Avni Yildirim. It's about

01:05:36.630 --> 01:05:41.269
the event rather than... We are ostensibly hardcores.

01:05:42.269 --> 01:05:46.530
Yeah. We actually think about this stuff. The

01:05:46.530 --> 01:05:49.590
average fan goes, hey, did you watch the tank

01:05:49.590 --> 01:05:52.750
fight? He beat the fuck out of that guy. Usually.

01:05:53.130 --> 01:05:56.849
Right? Yeah, I would say usually. Usually. Usually

01:05:56.849 --> 01:06:01.170
it's... His name is Kevin. He's not too far from

01:06:01.170 --> 01:06:03.630
here. He often calls in on the MMA show, but

01:06:03.630 --> 01:06:06.889
he asks, hey... What the fuck on the tank fight?

01:06:07.469 --> 01:06:10.690
That was, like, he texts me. Like, he texts the...

01:06:10.690 --> 01:06:14.510
That'll be the only boxing text you get all year

01:06:14.510 --> 01:06:17.929
from these types of friends. From outside of

01:06:17.929 --> 01:06:24.590
the, you know, Lux family, the SP. Yeah. Like,

01:06:24.809 --> 01:06:28.289
from your casual friends, you don't... People

01:06:28.289 --> 01:06:31.159
don't say... Yeah, I really love Bivol, better

01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.880
be of. What a good technicians fight. They go

01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.780
like, did you watch Jake Paul? Damn, that really

01:06:38.780 --> 01:06:41.699
sucked how he beat up that old man. You watched

01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:44.900
Canelo beat the fuck out of that scrub. That

01:06:44.900 --> 01:06:47.639
was cool. Tank beat the shit out of that guy.

01:06:47.739 --> 01:06:50.659
That guy was a world champion. I'm going to need

01:06:50.659 --> 01:06:53.940
you to stop with this fucking nuance stuff. How

01:06:53.940 --> 01:06:56.769
am I supposed to be mad about... Tank kicking

01:06:56.769 --> 01:06:59.050
a fucking knee in the middle of the round. Yeah,

01:06:59.150 --> 01:07:00.789
let's get back to that shit, dude. What the fuck?

01:07:00.849 --> 01:07:03.789
You invited me. You invited me. We don't know.

01:07:03.909 --> 01:07:06.170
Hey, wait, Josh. This is why I want to write

01:07:06.170 --> 01:07:08.250
the articles. We're supposed to bring nuance

01:07:08.250 --> 01:07:11.489
and fucking thoughtful discussion. Come on. Hey,

01:07:11.630 --> 01:07:13.710
Josh, we love you here. Because you know what?

01:07:14.349 --> 01:07:16.190
You made me think a lot about that. You're right.

01:07:16.510 --> 01:07:18.750
About a lot of that stuff. That's why I'm asking

01:07:18.750 --> 01:07:20.570
you to write the articles. You made me forget

01:07:20.570 --> 01:07:25.260
I was so angry. So thank you. No. Fuck off. I'm

01:07:25.260 --> 01:07:28.000
playing. I'm playing. No, seriously. It was really

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.099
good. Like, that was a lot of perspective that

01:07:30.099 --> 01:07:33.099
I, as much as I knew in the back of my head,

01:07:33.340 --> 01:07:35.599
like, I never consciously thought, like, yeah.

01:07:35.659 --> 01:07:37.980
You just got to remind yourself sometimes that,

01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:42.630
like, our sport is niche. It is. It is. okay

01:07:42.630 --> 01:07:45.789
we we gotta keep rolling like we're pretty fucking

01:07:45.789 --> 01:07:48.369
deep into this okay we'll see how much of that

01:07:48.369 --> 01:07:51.349
makes the public the public release but it is

01:07:51.349 --> 01:07:55.789
important to remind you if you want to hear all

01:07:55.789 --> 01:08:01.849
like all the details the weeds patreon man if

01:08:01.849 --> 01:08:03.690
you want to hear it and i'm telling you it's

01:08:03.690 --> 01:08:08.269
it is i was like just sitting back I consider

01:08:08.269 --> 01:08:11.489
myself to be a pretty in -the -weeds, sicko kind

01:08:11.489 --> 01:08:13.550
of guy. And I'm just sitting back like, yeah,

01:08:13.590 --> 01:08:16.510
yeah, yep, keep going. You guys, you boys, yeah,

01:08:16.529 --> 01:08:20.369
keep going. Hopefully articles are posted on

01:08:20.369 --> 01:08:22.850
the website soon, hopefully. Josh is a fucking

01:08:22.850 --> 01:08:24.569
boss, dude. It's coming together, man. It really

01:08:24.569 --> 01:08:27.310
is. Leo, get that set up, please. It is set up.

01:08:27.310 --> 01:08:29.510
It's just waiting for you. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'll

01:08:29.510 --> 01:08:31.250
start. Let me know how I get that. Okay, that's

01:08:31.250 --> 01:08:33.329
besides the point. No, not podcast discussion.

01:08:33.710 --> 01:08:36.949
All right. All right, cool. Tank sucked. Hank

01:08:36.949 --> 01:08:40.390
sucked this last weekend. Retire. Retire, you

01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:44.890
bums. There we go. That's the hot take we fucking

01:08:44.890 --> 01:08:49.270
need, man. Retire now. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You

01:08:49.270 --> 01:08:51.390
see, even when I'm shocked from a hot take like

01:08:51.390 --> 01:08:53.329
that, that's how you know it's fucking controversial.

01:08:54.229 --> 01:08:57.989
Damn. That's going to make the podcast, not the

01:08:57.989 --> 01:09:02.310
good discussion. That's the fun part. Oh, my

01:09:02.310 --> 01:09:06.239
God. That's shocking, bro. I'm going to get a

01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.720
text like, you told Tank to retire. And I'm like,

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:11.800
wait, you didn't listen to the other 50 minutes

01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:16.720
of pay -per -view prices. Like 30, 45 fucking

01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.060
minutes about a whole lot. Pay -per -view prices.

01:09:20.420 --> 01:09:23.939
Pay -per -view prices. No, well, that's just

01:09:23.939 --> 01:09:28.659
boxing politics is what it is. And more important

01:09:28.659 --> 01:09:31.659
news, my cat has decided to take a shit in the

01:09:31.659 --> 01:09:34.520
litter box right next to me. That's always nice.

01:09:35.819 --> 01:09:41.100
Get out of here. Final thoughts on Tank Davis

01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:47.539
and Mr. Roach. Let's go Lamont Roach. I'm happy

01:09:47.539 --> 01:09:50.180
to see him win in the eyes of the public. I was

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:52.500
happy to see Tank Booth. A pro box fighter getting

01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:56.760
up there and beating a pound for pound guy. Not

01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.399
even a pound for pound guy. The pound for pound

01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:05.100
guy that is the face of One of the faces of boxing.

01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.260
One of the faces of boxing. He's on the right

01:10:07.260 --> 01:10:13.039
now Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah. And honestly, can

01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:16.100
I say something that might be hot as well? From

01:10:16.100 --> 01:10:19.680
that fight, I think... Yeah, don't edge him,

01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:23.180
bro. Come on, just speak. Just let her rip. Well,

01:10:23.220 --> 01:10:24.899
I'm letting her rip because I've got to prepare

01:10:24.899 --> 01:10:29.720
you guys to hear my take. I think Keyshawn, I

01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.069
think Shakur, and... This is gonna be a little

01:10:32.069 --> 01:10:34.689
hot. I think Ryan could have beat Tank on that

01:10:34.689 --> 01:10:38.329
night. Bro, I think Josh Padley could have beat

01:10:38.329 --> 01:10:40.189
Tank on that fucking night the way he wasn't

01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:44.409
moving his feet, bro. Floyd Schofield? Okay,

01:10:44.489 --> 01:10:47.850
I actually rate... I am a Floyd Schofield glazer.

01:10:47.949 --> 01:10:50.189
Like, I actually thought I had a good chance.

01:10:50.270 --> 01:10:53.699
I'm a glazer, so... Like when I saw people being

01:10:53.699 --> 01:10:56.060
like, even Boots could beat Tank. And I'm like,

01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.899
I think Boots could beat Tank normally. I rate

01:10:58.899 --> 01:11:04.840
Boots so high. Boots is so good. What? That's

01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:06.979
how you know the casuals are watching these fights,

01:11:07.060 --> 01:11:10.060
bro. They're like, even Boots, like, Boots is

01:11:10.060 --> 01:11:13.000
some shitter. What do you mean, even Boots? Even

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.699
Boots. Boots beats him three times in the same

01:11:16.699 --> 01:11:22.430
night, bro. Come on. It was funny to watch Tank

01:11:22.430 --> 01:11:24.989
lose, and I'm pissed at the decision. But you

01:11:24.989 --> 01:11:26.609
know what? As long as everybody thinks he lost,

01:11:26.770 --> 01:11:29.609
as long as everybody thinks he lost, that's fine.

01:11:29.729 --> 01:11:33.470
My eyes. Glory to the ProBucks empire. Let's

01:11:33.470 --> 01:11:35.989
see what happens with Tank. Let's see what happens

01:11:35.989 --> 01:11:40.250
with Tank in the next couple years. All right,

01:11:40.270 --> 01:11:42.729
previews. All right, preview time. On the 15th

01:11:42.729 --> 01:11:46.970
on DAZN matchroom in Orlando at the Caribe Royale.

01:11:47.869 --> 01:11:51.810
There's a couple of names, recognizable names,

01:11:51.989 --> 01:12:00.149
marginally. Jose Roman Vasquez versus Jaleel

01:12:00.149 --> 01:12:03.270
Hackett. I swear I've heard of Hackett before.

01:12:03.510 --> 01:12:07.250
Yeah, he was a prospect. I think he got bopped

01:12:07.250 --> 01:12:12.789
in his last one. Let me see. A split decision

01:12:12.789 --> 01:12:16.359
to Jose Roman. uh okay so they're rematching

01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:19.239
to yeah get him back on track so that's cool

01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:25.000
oh uh jermaine ortiz got cut from top rank here

01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.560
he is yeah that was a tough cut that's he's not

01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.640
bad he put yeah he put in the work like you called

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.500
him up every time and he showed up for you yeah

01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:39.260
he had good fights too it's not even like he

01:12:39.260 --> 01:12:45.529
had stinkers Top ranks is dying. High key. They

01:12:45.529 --> 01:12:48.229
fucked up. They're not going to renew with ESPN.

01:12:48.369 --> 01:12:50.470
They're going to end up on the zone with their

01:12:50.470 --> 01:12:54.130
DVD quality fucking shit ass streams. Jermaine

01:12:54.130 --> 01:12:59.010
Probox is calling to you. You want to get back

01:12:59.010 --> 01:13:01.229
to the title picture. You want to even be there?

01:13:02.109 --> 01:13:05.350
Fastest path to an IBF title shot. It's Probox.

01:13:06.449 --> 01:13:10.960
Facts. IBF is the Probox title. Yeah, come on.

01:13:11.020 --> 01:13:14.140
You want an IBF title shot? Probox is your guy.

01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:20.420
Come on. Moving up, Edgar Berlanga versus Jonathan

01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:25.960
Ortiz. Struggling to care. Is Berlanga here?

01:13:26.100 --> 01:13:28.319
Who's the one getting fraud checked, though?

01:13:29.060 --> 01:13:32.439
I don't know. Can they get a double knockout?

01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:37.800
One can hope. One can hope that they both lose.

01:13:41.229 --> 01:13:45.850
Go ahead. Next one. Yep. Austin. Is he ammo again?

01:13:46.430 --> 01:13:48.909
Ammo Williams. He's the mechanic at one point.

01:13:49.010 --> 01:13:53.130
He went to Tiger. He's going to be a mechanic

01:13:53.130 --> 01:13:56.029
after Volney's done with him. Versus Patrice

01:13:56.029 --> 01:13:59.189
Volney. Volney's been on a few Eye of the Tiger

01:13:59.189 --> 01:14:04.310
cards. Had some good success over there, so not

01:14:04.310 --> 01:14:08.409
surprising to see him crossing into a bigger...

01:14:09.409 --> 01:14:15.250
His one loss to Falcao, it was honestly really

01:14:15.250 --> 01:14:17.270
unfortunate. Unfortunate technical decision.

01:14:18.029 --> 01:14:21.470
He was really putting it on Falcao at that point

01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:24.069
in the fight, but the cut happened and went to

01:14:24.069 --> 01:14:28.369
the technical decision. He was coming on, but

01:14:28.369 --> 01:14:33.489
he lost the early round. Genuinely. There's a

01:14:33.489 --> 01:14:36.550
good chance that Emma Williams loses to Volney.

01:14:36.649 --> 01:14:39.770
Volney's a good, good operator. Patrice Volney

01:14:39.770 --> 01:14:42.270
is not someone to be trifled with if you don't

01:14:42.270 --> 01:14:44.630
come. It's not just it's not just glazing because

01:14:44.630 --> 01:14:49.770
I'm Canadian. Well, Amber Williams headlining

01:14:49.770 --> 01:14:53.710
is kind of it's kind of questionable. Edgar Berlanga

01:14:53.710 --> 01:14:57.149
up there. Well, it's like a well, because Berlanga

01:14:57.149 --> 01:15:00.989
like like after he lost everything after like

01:15:00.989 --> 01:15:04.510
he stopped getting knockouts when he got cut

01:15:04.510 --> 01:15:08.520
from top rank. Yeah, even top rank couldn't even

01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:10.659
put him in the protection program. He was that

01:15:10.659 --> 01:15:17.380
bad. Eddie Hearns. What's a little bit softer

01:15:17.380 --> 01:15:21.979
than protection program? Like the nursery? The

01:15:21.979 --> 01:15:25.420
nursery. Where you go to be flabbergasted. The

01:15:25.420 --> 01:15:34.640
NICU. The N -I -C -U. Okay. But that's it. That's

01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:38.260
all we got. For this one. Beautiful. Parting

01:15:38.260 --> 01:15:41.340
words. Yeah, hold on a second. Let me... I gotta

01:15:41.340 --> 01:15:47.340
put in the... You've been listening to The Boxing

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01:17:04.779 --> 01:17:12.180
always yeah our our six Yeah, we're quite this

01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:16.939
one is gonna be cut very strangely It was gonna

01:17:16.939 --> 01:17:20.380
be very interesting, huh it is But it's good.

01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:27.170
It's actually really good. Let me let me I'll

01:17:27.170 --> 01:17:29.470
start with the parting words. This is a quote

01:17:29.470 --> 01:17:34.529
from Helen Keller that I like to use a lot. It's

01:17:34.529 --> 01:17:36.850
the best and most beautiful things in the world

01:17:36.850 --> 01:17:39.350
cannot be seen or even touched. They must be

01:17:39.350 --> 01:17:43.270
felt with a heart. And I always I quoted that

01:17:43.270 --> 01:17:50.729
one before on the MMA show to say it's there

01:17:50.729 --> 01:17:56.270
is nothing. As much bullshit as we talk, as much

01:17:56.270 --> 01:17:58.970
as we like to dump on the sport, we do it because

01:17:58.970 --> 01:18:04.409
we love it. And I can tell you, I feel very safe

01:18:04.409 --> 01:18:06.670
in saying that I can speak for both of you when

01:18:06.670 --> 01:18:10.149
I say there's nothing like a big fight weekend.

01:18:10.970 --> 01:18:14.710
Nothing. No, like your favorite team is in the

01:18:14.710 --> 01:18:18.909
Super Bowl or the World Series. No, it's not

01:18:18.909 --> 01:18:23.710
the same. It just isn't. And I have had my teams

01:18:23.710 --> 01:18:27.109
in the Super Bowl, in the NBA playoffs, in the

01:18:27.109 --> 01:18:31.810
World Series. It's not the same. There's nothing

01:18:31.810 --> 01:18:34.409
like it. This is something that just once you

01:18:34.409 --> 01:18:37.050
get a taste for it, you cannot get enough. I'm

01:18:37.050 --> 01:18:41.029
telling you, fight sports is the shit. So there

01:18:41.029 --> 01:18:48.890
you go. Parting words. Alex, go ahead. Uh, Tank

01:18:48.890 --> 01:18:51.470
is on fraud watch right now. And he's just very

01:18:51.470 --> 01:18:54.729
happy. And very sad. You said something so beautiful,

01:18:54.890 --> 01:19:01.770
bro. I want to say something cool, but I still

01:19:01.770 --> 01:19:03.630
got to say my piece about Tank. Be honest to

01:19:03.630 --> 01:19:07.189
yourself. To thy own self be true. Speak your

01:19:07.189 --> 01:19:11.609
truth, King. What happened was a travesty. And

01:19:11.609 --> 01:19:14.130
I hope, I just hope that maybe he can come back

01:19:14.130 --> 01:19:16.930
in the future. We'll see what happens. It's a

01:19:16.930 --> 01:19:20.069
shitty part of the sport that unfortunately we

01:19:20.069 --> 01:19:24.569
get used to. I remember my first time witnessing

01:19:24.569 --> 01:19:26.789
a robbery and being like, oh my god, I can't

01:19:26.789 --> 01:19:29.470
believe it. At this point, it's just part of

01:19:29.470 --> 01:19:37.310
the game. Exactly. Yeah, we love this sport and

01:19:37.310 --> 01:19:39.890
we only want to see it improve. There's something

01:19:39.890 --> 01:19:42.909
about this sport in every aspect that is wonderful.

01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:51.859
And as Karl Marx said, watch Probox. That's exactly

01:19:51.859 --> 01:19:54.020
what Karl Marx said, huh? Yeah. Karl Marx. You

01:19:54.020 --> 01:19:57.020
can read it in Das Kapital. It says right there.

01:19:57.060 --> 01:19:59.199
There's a whole page dedicated to it in bold

01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:03.279
font. Watch Probox. Just copy and paste it over.

01:20:03.420 --> 01:20:06.760
He held control C and then he held control D.

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:11.539
Exactly. That's just how Karl Marx got down.

01:20:13.699 --> 01:20:18.640
All right. So that's it, man. It's a little slow

01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:22.779
this weekend, but we'll get there. Watch Pro

01:20:22.779 --> 01:20:27.899
Box. Watch Pro Box. If you have Das Kapital,

01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:31.000
then get yourself on DAZN because they do have

01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.539
a lot of lower level promotions on their library.

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So if you can, do. If you can't, fuck it. Like,

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you're not missing out on too much. Bail the

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high C's if you can't pay. Because we're going

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to be here telling you all about it anyway. Oh,

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yeah. So, with that, we'll see you on the other

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side. Hopefully, we'll have some better, more

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fun news, at the very least, to fill the gap.

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All right.