The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. Don't brag about taking
my side piece! Don't brag about taking my side
piece! The B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides
Boxing Podcast. I left with his belt and his
girl. Hey, as I'm sure you've noticed by now,
Shanada's not on the main show and two other
people have come into play. This wasn't like
a conflict or anything. It's just a scheduling
problem. And we decided to resolve that problem
by having Shanada be the co -panel on a show
of her own. And this is where we're at. So this
is a little bit more freeform, less... in the
news i guess like or in the fights that just
happen unless it's like a major event but it's
just flowing conversation so you'll get to hear
that whenever we get on to chat uh i don't have
like a formal introduction the same way i do
with b -sides so instead i'm just going to drop
you into the conversation right where it begins
now is it in that chair space thing yes And where
would I find said document? If you go to Boxing
B -Sides, it's at the root of it. My files? No.
No. Shared files? Boxing B -Sides. Logos written.
Side piece. Yep. Get it. What is a knee? Was
it a knee? I've been actually throwing around,
bouncing around some ideas for a new name. Side
piece doesn't seem quite as good as I thought
it would be. People aren't liking it. I thought
it was funny. I think it's funny too, but I think
it's like too inside. Too much of an inside joke.
Our fans are too casual for the name. I guess,
even when you explain it to them. Or young, maybe.
Maybe too young. The audio is cut into the intro.
You can hear them saying it. Right, but when
was that? Shit, was it 2015? 2014? It's like
10 years ago. Yeah. Some interesting ones. Extra
rounds. corner corner talk the locker room locker
room talk nice uh training camp uh ringside now
ringside stories i don't know now that i'm saying
it out loud no i don't think that one fits um
hmm i'll have to think about it maybe yeah boxing
overtime overtime but that's more uh i guess
there's overtime boxing extra rounds overtime
box yeah The after round? The deeper cut? What
do they call the change room that the guys go
to? Is that a locker room? Yes, locker room.
In boxing? Dressing room or locker room? The
aftermath? CTE? New name TBD. Yours are better.
Yeah, yours are better. Bell to bell, the clinch,
in the clinch. After the bell. After the bell's
pretty good. But then it's a matter of making
sure these aren't taken. Yeah, yeah. All the
good ones are probably taken. People come up
with some interesting word combinations to try
to get out of overlapping. We'll just spell it
wrong. oh geez z's instead of s's every time
yeah uh so the burning question was it a knee
it was obviously a knee yeah was it a kd should
have been should have been so everybody's talking
about it of course uh the pro box guys had two
whole podcast shows about it i got the hiccups
all of a sudden and uh they had they called people
in from all over to discuss this i'd actually
recommend that people go look or watch the the
pro box one yeah everybody agrees that it should
have been at least a point deduction a bunch
of people are like it's a disqualification uh
chris algieri was like well his corner came up
the stairs with a white towel, so I thought at
the time that they were conceding, or like throwing
in the towel. Yeah, it's crazy. And his excuse
that it was grease doesn't change anything. It
doesn't make it better. You can't explain your
way out of it. I'm of the mind. that any explanation
is just going to make it worse. Just say, like,
I took a knee, and that was that. Yeah, and,
like, you can take a knee. That's fine. People
do it all the time. But even his corner, if you
listen, they were like, that looked like a submission,
or whatever the wording is. Like, that looked
like you were quitting, basically. When he turned
his back and stuff. Turned his back. And they're
like, you can't be doing that shit. You're not
allowed to turn your back. It's in the fucking
rules. You can't. So you take a knee. You turn
your back, take a knee, run and lean halfway
out of the ring. Your corner comes in and interacts
with you, which is a disqualification. Yeah.
Like, I don't know. And the ref started counting.
He did. And then Tank told him to stop. Which
is fucking madness. Absolutely. And the argument
that everybody has that is 100 % correct is if
Roach did any of these, it definitely would have
been a point off. He probably would have just
been disqualified. I don't know if they would
have went as far as disqualifying him, but if
the roles were reversed, it would 100 % have
been a point off and definitely would have...
The very least, a stern, very strong warning.
Like, that is absolutely not allowed. Any other
funny business and you're disqualified. Yeah,
so the turning your back thing is whatever, but
the corner coming up on the apron, I think, is
a disqualification 85 % of the time. Yeah. Like,
and they touched him and stuff. They can't be
doing that. If you got shit in your eye, you
have to wait for the ref to tell you you can
get it. And if it was his hair, people fight
with their hair all fucked up and bothering them
and in their face constantly. Like, there was
that lady whose weave kept falling out. Jesus.
seen multiple people multiple guys get their
hair cut in the corner yeah between rounds absolutely
or taped up yeah but i mean like the the men
especially tend to just go fuck it cut it off
it's i don't know his excuse doesn't change the
fact that it was a knockdown yes if nothing else
if nothing else it was a knockdown You voluntarily
took one. People take them all the time. One
of the quote -unquote hardcore fans fucking boner
fights, Jose Luis Castillo versus Diego Corrales.
In that one, he took knees, he spit out his mouthpiece,
got a point deducted for it because he needed
the time. People take knees. It happens for whatever
reason. yeah and if i don't even think he had
grease in his face or in his eye because if it
was just grease from sweating like he would have
been wiping at it he never once wiped his eyes
not that i saw anyway yeah i shouldn't say never
once because somebody's gonna go back and watch
the round and be like you lied but at the time
he took the knee He wasn't wiping at his eyes
multiple times. The equivalent would be if somebody
was getting blood in their eye and just called
a timeout so that their corner could wipe it
off. Tim Zoo. I'm sure he would have loved to
take a break in the middle of the round to get
the blood wiped off. I was not a Tank fan anyways,
but this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, inexcusable.
And two of the three refs gave him that round.
Like, did you see that? Yeah, to make it worse,
there's chatter. The WBA president, he's kind
of spearheading it, like, this shit needs to
get overturned. That was absolutely wrong. And
he has as much to lose. With Tank not having
that title, because he's a cash cow. Of course
he's going to want Tank to be a belt holder.
Well, and they do have video replay, right? That
fight was in New York? I don't know if New York
does. New York definitely does. If the fight
was in New York, they have video replay. Like,
what the fuck, guys? Seriously. That was round
nine, was it? No, it was early. Seven? I think
it was earlier than that. I'm going to check.
You go ahead. You have like multiple rounds.
You have 10 fucking minutes to figure it out.
Like, I don't know. It's ridiculous. How did
that not rear its head before is curious to me.
I am sure New York has video replay because I've
seen a couple times where they. called, like,
knockdowns and then were like, oh, no punch,
or called, you know, cuts caused by headbutts.
You were right, it's the 9th. But still, you
have, like, that's a lot of time to look at a
video replay and announce it to the judges and
the crowd. And you had eight rounds where you
weren't having grease problems. Yeah, that's
the other thing. Such a bullshit made -up story.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either. Anyways, it
was a knockdown and Roach won. Roach absolutely
won the fight. That knockdown is 115 -112 justice
for Roach. Well, it'd be even more of a swing,
wouldn't it? If two judges gave it that round
to Tank, it'd have to go the other way. That's
a three -point swing on two cards. So then it'd
be 116 -111. Yeah. Which is a fair margin. That
is quite... He beat Tank. He definitely beat
Tank. The world knows. The hood knows who won
that. The whole hood knows who won that fight.
Speaking of the whole hood knowing, Serrano Taylor
Part 3 is officially official for July. I don't
know how to feel about it. They were both really
good fights. I could see why. the trilogy is
needed but taylor's old man i've been saying
for a while that i just want her to retire and
be the living legend that she is like right off
into the sunset before you're because i swear
to god she's starting to slur her words and stuff
everybody's like oh that's just her accent but
i don't think it is No, I don't think it is either.
It's getting worse. Before, what, side piece
era time frame, like, yeah, it's her accent,
but not anymore. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know how to feel about it either. They were two
good fights. Third fight's probably going to
be great. I said it last time and I was wrong,
but I think Serrano's going to win. And then
you have, what, two to one? Still? The more they
do this, the more time between the fights, it's
just more time that Taylor gets older, Serrano
gets more time to figure it out. And I hope they
do three -minute rounds. I really do. If they
do three -minute rounds, that would be better,
for sure. But Taylor's getting old. And it's
not like she gassed in the last fight, but...
Suddenly jumping to three -minute rounds when
you're... She's got to be close to 40, isn't
she? If she's not 40? I believe she's 38, but
I'm not 100%. Like... Jumping to three -minute
rounds that late in your career... I mean, if
anybody can do it, Katie Taylor can do it, but
it just seems like a bad idea to me. But... She
could be, you know, one of the first women to
do three -minute rounds for... That would be
a title fight, right? Yeah, undisputed. Yeah.
Yeah, and you're right. She is 38. Look at me.
I don't know what round Tank went down in, but
I know how old Katie Taylor is. Well done, me.
I mean, arguably, Katie Taylor is more... important
than tank anyways now that he's a fucking loser
and a whiny bitch oh i got grease in my eyes
coach come wipe it off for me this guy's beating
me up and i don't know what to do if they rematch
i think roach is probably going to get knocked
out if they rematch maybe but everybody knows
he won that first fight absolutely man the whole
hood knows it's gonna it's gonna keep coming
up because i'm still fucking miffed every time
i think i'm like okay i'm gonna stop talking
about it i'm gonna stop thinking about it and
then less than an hour later i'm like fucking
that was angry that was a fucking knee it was
clearly a knee yeah god tank lost he lost Well,
and it bugs me because what's that ref's name?
Steve Willis. Yeah, he's usually so good. He
is? Like, I usually like Steve Willis. He's a
good ref. He is. And he started the count. Why
did he stop? I remember back when I had hair,
I remember having to deal with grease as well.
I almost did a racism. I was talking about it
with Alex and Josh on the proper B -sides. And
that was something I had mentioned. I had called
it pomade. Oh, yeah. I know pomade. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I was like, did you guys not use that?
Because I... the way i grew up like i always
had this i'm surprised if they haven't the slick
back hair and i used it's called three flowers
that was the pomade it's just hair grease uh
no my my boyfriend used a different one and we
had to drive all over to find it because it was
not popular anymore when he was still using it
but uh he had he went gray really really young
and when you go gray it changes the texture and
so he would use it almost as leave -in conditioner
oh yeah i know exactly the type you're talking
about i don't know any names any brand names
but i know the type you're talking about well
it is just pomade like it says on it pomade but
this one has softener in it softener is not the
right word but when we go yeah when we go rock
climbing he'd slick back his hair so it wasn't
in his face and then for the next like Four or
five days, his hair would be super soft. Was
it Dapper Dan? No. I looked all over for Dapper
Dan. I don't think that's even a real one. It's
not. That's from the movie. Yeah. I don't want
pop, god damn it. I'm a Dapper Dan man. Dapper
Dan. I'm a Dapper Dan man. I can't remember what
it was called. That's going to bother me now.
I also don't know how you spell pomade. I think
it's P -O -M -A -D -E. Yeah. It'll be one of
the top brands in Canada, I'm sure it is. Speaking
of bothering you, the Times Square card. Are
you familiar? Yeah, kind of. I've been trying
my best not to pay attention. Although it sounds
like the Discord guys are going, so that's cool.
Yeah, might. I might go to that one as well.
We'll see how it plays out. Old Spice makes pomade.
It must be making a comeback. Axe makes pomade
too. Pomade sounds fucking terrible. Yeah, it's
not a great name, but I used to use the Axe one
when I had longer hair. No, I can't find the
name. It's going to bug me. I'm going to have
to text my ex to ask him what he put in his hair.
It starts with a B. It's in a red can. It was
only at Walmart, but it was only at certain Walmarts,
and the city we lived in had three Walmarts,
so we'd have to drive around to figure out which
one had it in stock. It was fun. Sweet Georgia
Brown? No, that's too American. Anyways, doesn't
matter. I will let it go. Uh -uh. We're not letting
this go. Tuxedo Club? Maybe. Is it red? Yes.
Maybe, but I thought it started with a B. I do
this all the time, though. There's that. That
might be it, actually. Yeah. It has a very dapper
-looking man on it. Yep. Yeah. That's probably
it. But that's as far as I'm going to go in looking
for it. I think that's close enough. That's probably
the stuff. Anyways, it was fucking hilarious
because people liked it, but they never ordered
much of it. So we'd race the three other guys
who buy it to figure out which store it was in
that month. Why not order directly from the shop
then? I don't know. Because I didn't think of
that. You drive to Walmart and you get it. Yeah,
I guess. It's also Walmart. A trip to Walmart
is never wasted. You always come home with something.
Oh, coming home with something. The Times Square
card. I'm really going to try to fit this one
in here. Coming home with all of the mental illnesses.
Devin Haney versus Jose Ramirez. He's moving
up to welterweight. So that's fun. Not surprising.
Devin Haney's always shrunk down quite a bit.
I don't think he's going to be able to do it,
but fuck, I would love for Jose Ramirez to win
that one. Yeah, so his particular mental illness
is bitchitis, so that's fun. Ryan Garcia versus
Raleigh Romero. What is that? Two egomaniacs?
Yeah, Garcia's got multiple things going on,
I think. But yeah. Ego being a big part of it.
Narcissism. And Teofimo. Teofimo's just... That
dude's bipolar and he's got fucking problems.
He has been trying to be normal in interviews
lately. And it makes it worse, almost. Because
you can see he's trying so fucking hard, and
at some point he always fails. And the crazy
shows. And then sometimes he gets it back together,
and sometimes they just end the interviews. Jesus.
He was saying some shit like, I can't be a racist
because everyone's racist. I mean, everyone is
a little racist. Right. But that doesn't make
you... Not racist. It does not take away... I
don't know. Everybody has the thoughts. That's
like saying I can't be dying because everybody's
dying. Some people are dying more than others.
Right, like in the Sylvia Plath, like, oh, everyone's
a wilting flower kind of bullshit. The inevitable
march of time. Yeah, but, like, I'm dying in
30 years and you're dying next week. You're a
little more dying than I am. Right. Tio's a little
more racist than I am. And I'm more racist than
most people, so. I don't know, is it worse when
it's unintentional? Like, it's just, like, ingrained
into you and you don't even mean to? I mean,
I think, I don't know. I think Tio feels just
a douchebag. Yeah, I think T .O. just has some
problems. I'm hopeful that Arnold Barbosa would
beat him, but it's similar to Jose Ramirez. It's
probably not going to happen. No. And I would
fucking love for Rawley to just knock Garcia
out. How fucking funny would that be? For Rawley
to beat Ryan Garcia? Not even just beat him.
I want him to knock him the fuck out. Oh, embarrass
him? Yeah. Oof. That would be something. That
would be amazing. I would be so happy. Oh, that's
it. I'm sure there's more shit on there, but
that's the triple whatever. They had one press
conference, and I didn't watch it because I assumed
it would just be a lot of yelling and crazy,
but people said it was more normal than they
were expecting. Relatively tame. No, they haven't.
The moderator was keeping a lid on things, I
think. They also haven't started their cycles
since they're not in camp yet. Fair. Bitch, how
you do this? Yeah. Speaking of cycles, Dana White
with his new shit. With Riyadh season and TKO
Enterprises, this joint venture. Yeah, I haven't
particularly been following up, but so Turkey's
putting money in UFC now? No, he's putting money
into a boxing venture that is going to be headed
by UFC president Dana White. Ow. Yeah. Why? Right.
That's the question on a lot of people's minds.
Why are you doing this? I don't get it. I'm thinking
they want more managerial control over the fighters.
Fuck, that would be so bad for boxing. Yes. Turning
into a one promotion league. Yeah, I'm not too
keen on it either. Also, Dana White is a terrible
human being. Yes. He's quite a piece of shit.
Actually, ha -ha, shoehorning in. One of Josh's
articles is actually about Dana White. Yeah,
have you mentioned on the podcast that we're
doing written stuff now? No, I have not. This
is the debut. Yeah, the editing is kind of fun,
actually. He's writing really short articles,
like one to two pages, super fast. Yeah, that's
kind of the... the level we need to keep it at
the attention landscape is yeah not that great
so fair but still I thought at first when I saw
the name why not Dana White this is me encouraging
you beloved listener to go read it because it's
pretty pretty good and it sounds like oh why
not why should why not allow Dana White to have
a shot at the at Taming the beast that is. Boxing.
But then it comes off as. Like. This is why not
Dana White. Why not Dana White. Because he's
a piece of fucking garbage. Not that. There aren't.
Pieces of fucking garbage in boxing. Yeah. Let
me quote him here. Which is why I encourage Dana
White. For the moment. Entering the space. He's
not subtle. He's all of the scummiest aspects
of the sport rolled into one person. Into one
visually displeasing person. I do like the not
subtle jabs mixed in the article. It was fun.
Man. I don't think people realize how good, only
when you compare it to UFC, that we can say...
Like, boxers have it really good. And I really
doubt... Compared to UFC, for sure. I sincerely
doubt they're going to want to give up a lot
of their autonomy for what? For what exactly?
Prestige? For getting fucked. Yeah, the prestige
of getting fucked by Dana White instead of getting,
like, lubricated finger -banged by your current
promoter. There are a couple decent promoters
as well. Shit, I'm drawing blanks on names again.
Is it Al Heyman that seems like an actual decent
human being? Yeah, he's more of a manager than
a promoter, but same, same. I don't know much
about the business side of boxing. I just like
watching people punch each other. Samson? I've
yet to hear of a Samson fighter that doesn't
like him. Yeah. I mean, the really big ones,
it's like anything else. If you're a decent human
being, you are never going to be the richest
person in your field. It's just a fact. If you
are a decent human being, you're never going
to be a billionaire because you will give away
money when you need no more money or stop fucking
people for every dime if you're a decent human
being. Yeah, you're not going to cut anyone's
throat to advance. You're not going to step on
people to climb higher. Yeah, and if you have
$50 million that keep bringing in income because
that's how money works, you don't need any more
money. Yep. I have more money than I can spend.
I'm happy. Maybe I could pay my workers more
than a livable wage and a decent wage. Right.
Or you're Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and you're
a terrible fucking human being and you don't
care. Yeah. You have five minutes of break time.
You get to decide if you're going to the bathroom
or you're going to eat. Your shift is 12 hours
long. Good luck. Yeah. I saw a Ragebait article
about... How did they word it? Because it was
the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Ethically
encompassing or something. one of those dumb
phrases toilets and they're the squatty potties
like you find them sometimes here in japan where
it's just in the floor and you squat right and
people were outraged that they were doing all
this stuff to make immigrants that work at amazon
feel better i was like guys it's so you can't
sit right like you can't sit on the toilet and
relax for two minutes while I guess for women,
it wouldn't work for men anyways, but you can't
sit and relax for two minutes while you take
a piss. That's the whole point of those toilets.
It's not to make people from India or Japan or
anywhere else feel at home. It's so you can't
waste time by peeing. Yeah. It's fucking stupid.
You walk in, do your business, and get out. Yeah.
so name to be determined of this venture i had
uh in in discord i had mentioned why not call
it whiplash boxing and it's not because it's
high octane uh thunder yeah entertainment it's
because you're you're gonna be a slave driver
with these whatever poor kids you entice into
signing on to this because you're gonna have
to start from the bottom up you're not gonna
sign names to your To your promotion here. Yeah,
I don't know. Do not let Dana White into boxing.
Fucking ridiculous. Do not allow Dana White into
living. I mean, we already did that. I know.
We can chivvy him out. That would be nice. Great.
Another interesting sort of format that came
up, the WBC Grand Prix. Have you heard of this
one? No. So, four divisions. It's 126, 140, 160.
I typoed there. And heavyweights. It's 32 athletes
per division. Okay. At least they have one interesting
weight class in there. 126? Yeah, well, 140 is
kind of in the bin right now, isn't it? Who's
that 140 that's... Or is that Garcia and all
those guys? They're 147, aren't they? No, they're
not. Brian Garcia is not going to fucking make
140. He hasn't made 140 in five years. Let's
see. Let's check, because... You're probably
right. And I just assumed he was going to be
at 140 because Raleigh's at 140. I got to look
up who's actually at 140. I'm so bad at keeping
track of the weight classes. Last time, when
we recorded a few days ago, BoxRec was in the
middle of maintenance at the time. So looking
stuff up was proved to be a little challenging.
Ah, yeah. So Tapology has their rankings here.
Yeah, Tapology is a good alternative. Tiafimo,
Jack Catterall, Richardson Hitchens, Liam Paro,
Matias, Jaime? Jaime? Ortiz? Jemaine? I don't
think I even... Is it Jemaine? Yeah. I just assumed
he was... Mexican. With Ortiz. Yeah, I can see
why, but he's from New York somewhere. Fair enough.
I mean, I cannot say anything about names like
that. My name's like that. Regis Progray. No
mention of Arnold Barbosa. Is he not listed?
Barbosa's nine. What? Haney's listed as 12. They
got Sandor Martin above him. Well, Sandor Martin
should be... fucking champion right now. Yeah,
they fucked my boy again. They did. I was upset.
I actually haven't watched the full fight. I
just watched highlights, but it really looked
like he won that fight in the highlights. Even
though the highlights were designed to make it
look like he didn't. He did better than the highlights
would suggest, obviously. Pueyo wasn't terrible.
It was just like a really slow start. Think same
way like Teofimo versus Lomachenko. Or Teofimo
versus Sandor Martin. Because I think Martin
won that one too. It was just a matter of like
once Pueyo got going, he started doing really
well. And that was kind of it. So it was just
a matter of like two halves. But I had it like
a 7 -5 situation for Martin. Fair. I don't know.
I just... They're never gonna let him win. And
he doesn't have knockout power. So he's kind
of fucked, I think. Which is not how it should
be, but... Yeah. Shouldn't be. God. I have a
foster and she likes to hang out on my footrest.
That... Cat. This time, right? Yes. Yeah. Does
she attack your feet? No, she doesn't. She's
a little sweetheart. That's good. She likes getting
in the way. Back to the Grand Prix. So, Ryan
Garcia has not made 140 pounds since he fought
Tank Davis, which was at 135, and he still missed
weight there. And that was in 2023. Has it been
that long? yes oh my god april what's the fourth
month april 2023 so he's fought twice at 140
since then and he was 143 and 143 and a half
that i mean if we want to get technical 140 .1
is welterweight that's the beginning yeah so
i'm just saying Fucking Ryan Garcia hasn't fought
at 140 for years. Yeah, I'm on BoxRec, and I
don't see where they're saying what weight the
fight is at. I'm on El Paso Times. And they say
140? Yes. Yeah, okay. That doesn't surprise me.
He's going to blow weight again. Fucking piece
of crap. Right, back to the Grand Prix. It's
a cool idea. It is. I like it. I think this is
a good way you're going to... The same way like
Overtime or any other tournament format works
where the winner is going to get projected into
something bigger. And you can kind of recycle
the third place and below guys. Yeah. And just
keep doing it. Like the Super Series that happened
a long time ago. Yeah, that's when Inouye unified
the first time, right? Was a super series? He
fought Donair. He had all of them but one, and
he fought Paul Butler outside of the tournament.
Okay, yeah. But he got those other ones in the
tournament, right? Yes. So 41 different nations.
41 nations. That's pretty cool. That is very
cool. I like it. And then, so it's going to be
five cards, 128 fighters. Man, that's, what,
64 fights total across five cards? 32 athletes
in four divisions would be 64 fights. Yeah. Yeah.
Across five events. Would be... 12? Yeah. And
a few extras. That's crazy. That's a lot of fight.
Yeah, but depending on the level, they might
not be all 12 round fights. Some of them might
be 10s, 8s. Still. Yeah. Just 12 fights of any
kind on one card is a lot. It is, yeah. I've
been to some like that with local promotions.
They tend to have just a ton of four -rounders.
yeah i was gonna say like the four round ones
but none of these will be four rounds i don't
think that's too short maybe the first uh the
first round of the tournament is the four is
four rounders and then they move to six and then
move to eight and then then they would have half
as many fight yeah that that would make sense
i'm sure they planned this yeah they they haven't
figured out but you can still hit me up uh suleiman
i'll hook you up i used to design the the curling
tournament brackets for the local tournaments
and uh we did double knockouts and man sometimes
those double knockouts with odd numbers of teams
just get so complicated that doesn't sound very
fun at all i mean i cheated and used uh like
templates and stuff, but it would still take
some time. Did you know that the baseball schedule
for like decades was hand done by a couple, like
a husband and wife somewhere in the States would
just sit down and figure out. And those guys
play so many fucking games. I think triple digits
of games. Oh. Yeah, it's like, what is a baseball
season? Like, 118 games or something crazy? Yeah.
And there's... Ah, the baseball guys are going
to hate me. I think it's 36 teams? I don't know.
Like, that's crazy to sit down and, oh, well,
these guys... But it is baseball, so you can
have multiple games in a day and stuff, but still.
And a lot of them are series. Like, they'll play
three or four game series. Yeah. But like, oh,
I'm flying to Toronto and doing a triple header,
so then we need at least five days off before
we fly back to Florida. Ew. I was just picking
places as far away as I could think. Jade Jones.
I don't know who that is. It's a British taekwondo
gold medalist. It's crossing into boxing. Taekwondo?
That's a weird one to come into boxing, isn't
it? Yeah, because it's all kicks. Yeah, Taekwondo
doesn't throw that many punches. No, they avoid
throwing punches. Interesting. Why wouldn't you
go into mixed martial arts? That's what I would
do. The women make good money there. The men
get hosed, but the women probably make pretty...
maybe more than boxing. Clarissa Shields fights
in MMA for that exact reason. Yeah. Hmm. That'll
be interesting. Yeah, I'm interested to see how
she does. She's been in... Taekwondo footwork
is really different, isn't it? Like, even among
martial arts, their footwork is distinct. I'm
thinking... That she's going to dominate the
pro ranks the same way that Tenshin Nasukawa
is going to dominate Japan. Maloney had him hurt.
He did. If Maloney had any fucking power, Tenshin
was out. Yeah. I still love that Maloney had
his little Japanese cheering section that was
trying to yell in English. They were so cute.
What kind of things were they yelling? So I think
it was people who have actually met him. So some
of it, I think, was, like, inside jokes. Not
jokes, but, like, phrases that didn't really
make sense in English that they must have used
in training camp. Oh. Japonglish? Nihonglish?
They were all English words, but the order was
wrong. That sort of thing. And a lot of nice,
nice body. Nice body, Jason. Is that for a body
punch? Yeah, yeah. When somebody lands a body
punch in Japan, you just get this like chorus
of nice body. I'm sure at this point. And it
makes me giggle every time. they do not know
they don't i have laughed no i have laughed and
a couple times i've sat beside people who were
friendly enough to talk to me the one guy was
like what's funny and i was like it sounds like
they're saying he's very handsome like he has
a nice body he's very sexy yeah and the guy's
like no i was like in english you would say body
punch yeah or shots or something but nice body
it just sounds like you're you know complimenting
his abs i'm thinking they call like this happens
in spanish too where they just call uppercuts
they just call them uppers yeah japan does that
too so i'm thinking that rather than say body
shot all the way out they just like oh it's a
body yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's what it is
and it makes sense but it still sounds funny
when you get like a bunch of old men yelling
nice body To an Australian man? Exactly. In their
very thick Japanese accent. Nice buddy. Exactly.
Yeah, that's great. That was all that I had.
Oh, I have something. Oh, go ahead. So I did
manage to get a ticket to see Kiyoguchi. So my
very random list of five fighters I wanted to
see when I came to Japan will be finished on
March 13th. It was Inoue and Nakatani, of course.
And then the other three were my own random likes.
So I saw Kenichi Ogawa, I saw Ioka, and Kiyoguchi
was the last one on the list. And just the one
missing, though. How many times have you seen
the legend himself? Tension? Yeah. Like three,
something like that. You are a bigger fan than
you care to admit. No, he just fights on other
people's cards. He fights on the Nakatani cards
almost every time. Because I've seen Nakatani
three times now. Oh, okay. Two of those were
really fast knockouts. Yeah, super fast. Like
the Astrolavio knockout was, why did I come here?
Why did I pay for this? Yeah. Could have at least
been at the boxing bar. Yeah, well, oh, I haven't
told that story on here yet. So I usually buy
from that website where you basically just...
Bank transfer money to the fighter directly and
they mail you a ticket. But Kiyoguchi is based
in Osaka, I want to say. Yokohama? Or he's based
in Osaka, okay. Yeah. His cutoff was really early
because he's worried about mail times. So there
was somebody fighting who is based in Tokyo who
I think the cutoff was the 5th? and i didn't
try and buy tickets until the 6th i missed it
by a day whatever day the cutoff was and then
i still can't find i think i figured it out now
but i can't find fucking tickets because if you
google their name and ticket nothing comes up
so i got in the chat with the the old men at
the bar and i was like guys i fucked up i can't
find tickets to buy and the one guy was like
oh well You can just buy them on this other website.
And there's one guy is actually a boxing promoter.
And he goes, I'll get you tickets. He's like,
what tickets do you want? Just let me know. And
you can bank transfer me the money. And I was
like, yeah, that works. That's easy. So I'm pretty
sure he just went to the place they're fighting,
the arena, and bought me tickets and mailed them
to me. Should be here tomorrow or the next day.
That's cool, though. Yeah. To have that little
niche community. Yeah. His name is Kenta Kaneko.
Because he has the same last name as one of the
people I work with. Kaneko, I don't think, is
that common. Or I've only met... yeah i've only
met the one so i asked her if they were related
and she basically called me racist i was like
you guys live in the same city and you have the
same last name and it's not a common one i didn't
think it was and she's like there's millions
of us and i was like yeah i know but you live
in the same city i've been using trying to learn
how to use ai a little better make it more how
to complement my life i guess so i typed in just
now Who are the current top 10 pound -for -pound
boxers into Google Gemini? Okay. So here's what
they came up with. Number 10, Devin Haney. No.
Wrong. Wrong. I know. Number 9, Junto Nakatani.
That low. I know. But it gets better as it moves
up, I think. Junto Nakatani's blurb, a very skilled
boxer that continues to impress. Number eight,
and this is wrong as well, Gervonta Davis. Yep.
No. He just got beat. Right. He just lost. Number
seven, Canelo Alvarez. Actually, I'm okay with
that one. I don't think Canelo would be in my
top ten anymore, though. Not top five at this
point. At the very least, not in top fives. Yeah.
Long -standing presence in the top rankings,
known for his skill and popularity. Known for
being a fucking ginger. Yeah. Number six, Jesse
Rodriguez. Really? Yeah. A very talented younger
boxer who has been very impressive. He has been.
Yeah. Number five, Artur Beterbiev. A very powerful
puncher and a force to be reckoned with in the
light heavyweight division. I'd have Jesse above
him. For sure. Like, Better BF is definitely
really good, but I don't know if I'd put him
on a pound -for -pound list. If you shrunk him
down and took away his power, I don't think he
would be that good. If you scaled him down to
Bam's size, I think Bam beats him. Yeah, that's
what I mean. Jujutsu Nakatani beats him. People
always do it the other way. They always make
the small guys bigger, but if you make the big
guys smaller, I think it's more of a test in
my imaginary pound for pound. Bigger guys tend
to rely on their power a lot more. Yeah. I mean,
Junto has power, but... He's also a freak of
nature. He's so tall. Yeah, he's very tall for
where he fights. After number four, Dimitri Bevel.
His skill and wins in the light heavyweight division
have caused his rank to rise. All right. I will
take it. Number three, Terrence Crawford. Crawford's
skill and dominance in his weight divisions keeps
him high on the list. Right now, I'd have Beeble
above Terrence Crawford. Yeah. Crawford just
doesn't fight very often. Exactly. Part of my
problem. And now that he's fighting in weight
classes that don't suit him, he's not... He's
beatable looking. I mean, he hasn't been beat,
but he looks like he could be. I would also argue
that... What's his name? Did beat Crawford. Oh,
Madrimov? Yeah. Arguable. And number two and
number one. You can probably guess which they
are, but which order? They'll have Usyk number
one and Inoue number two. That's correct. Inoue,
the monster continues to dominate with his power
and skill across multiple weight classes. Yeah,
number two is like at the minimum. Yeah, I'm
okay with people putting Usyk above Italy, honestly.
A long time ago, a friend of mine had an interesting
criterion for pound -for -pound list, which is
the idea of a pound -for -pound list is how would
the smaller guys compare to the heavyweights,
like you had mentioned about moving guys up.
So he never included heavyweights because...
Yeah, but is Usyk a heavyweight? He's a bridger.
Well, I just mean, like, he went up into heavyweight,
but he really is a cruiserweight. Yeah. And he
is the only person who's fighting people that
much bigger than him and winning. True. Like,
as much as I love Inoue, if you put him up against
somebody who's 40 pounds bigger than him and
at the top of their division, he's probably not
going to win. For him, that would be middleweights
right now. So what, fighting Johnny Beck? Yeah,
he can maybe beat Johnny Beck. And one more AI
list. Who are the top five Japanese boxers right
now? Oh, they're going to fuck this up. They
gave me six. But they're going to fuck this up.
It's not an order. Okay. I don't think so anyway.
It's not numbered. Inoue and Nakatani need to
be on the list, of course. They are. So, from
the bottom up. Kosei Tanaka. Okay. Takuma Inoue.
Kazuto Ioka. Yeah, maybe. Kazuto, that's a good
pick. I don't know if he's top five still, though.
No. Really. Like, being honest. Taraji? Yeah,
then Taraji. It's not bad. He's been winning.
It's not terrible, but it's missing the people
that they don't put in articles, because of course
it is. Yeah, Tsutsumi's missing, for sure. You
could even just tangentially mention honorable
mentions of Ryosuke Nishida and Yoshiki Takei.
Those are... Yeah, they... Top five is a hard
one, but I wouldn't put Ioka in the top five
anymore. Top five in my heart, but... Number
two and number one are Nakatani and Inoue. Yeah.
As one would expect. I suspect that that AI strictly
went on article hits. Yeah, that's how they're
trained. Yeah. Like, Ioka's in more articles
than Tsutsumi for sure. But right now, Tsutsumi
is definitely the better boxer. Right. Actually,
I changed the prompt to top 10 and it cut it
down to four. Why? I don't know. Here's the reasoning.
It's tricky to give a definitive top 10 because
rankings shift and top can mean different things
like pound for pound skill, current title holders,
etc. So I can highlight some of the most prominent
and highly regarded Japanese boxers currently.
So a top five list gives you six and a top 10
list gives you four. Yes. Makes a lot of sense.
Excellent. Excellent. And so Kosei Tanaka, Junto
Nakatani, Kazuto Ioka, and Naoya Inoue. As one
would expect. That must just be article hits.
It is. It even gave me its top sources. ESPN,
Boxing News Online, and Ring Magazine. Right.
Well, Anioka would have a ton of articles because
of his cancellation in his last fight. Yeah.
Double heartbreak. That was so sad. Yeah, absolutely.
Well, we are at an hour. Nice. Yeah. I'm going
to ask. How are you going to give me six names
for top five prompts, but only four for top ten?
I hate the AI shit. It drives me nuts. It apologized
and gave me more names. It does that a lot. Especially
if you ask it opinion questions. Improved list.
So this is ranked. No, it's not ranked. Never
mind. I don't even know who that is. Riku Kano.
Ginjiro Shigeoka. Shigeoka I've heard of, at
least. Yudai Shigeoka. I've heard of him and
their brothers, so whatever. They'd apologize
for not giving me 10. And then gave you the most
random fucking list of names I've ever heard.
Yeah. It's an odd one, Gemini, but I'll take
it, I guess. It's a good starting point. I hate
that AI -generated shit at the top of people
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