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How you doing buddy?
How you doing guys?
What's up man?
Glad to be here again.
We got somebody new.
Josh, what's up buddy?
Oh yeah.
Doing good.
What come on Josh?
Yeah.
This is gonna be fun.
I'm, I'm, I got a good feeling about this.
All right.
Yeah.
Before we get to the boxing,
we gotta extend the olive branch of friendship
to our compatriots over on the ultimate fucking casuals.
UFC 313 is coming up this weekend.
The main event, if you don't know anything else,
the main event is fucking electric.
It's really, really good.
And the card itself is stacked.
It's fucking stacked.
This is worth watching.
Even if you're, you don't really care about MMA,
that's fine.
Alex Pajeras, he's a big time striker.
Heavy, heavy hands.
Light heavyweight over there.
Always fun to watch.
Yeah.
Light heavyweight over there is about cruiser weight
in the boxing world.
So that's what you're looking at.
But we'll be talking about that over there.
So wherever you're listening to this,
you can find ultimate fucking casuals there too.
Oh man.
Into some recaps.
Let's get the quick shit out of the way.
The Chicken Bacon Ranch Casino Pro Box.
Only two I kept.
Emiliano Moreno.
Pro Box always delivers fire cards.
They do.
We say it every time, to be the Pro Box,
you don't have to know who these people are.
You don't have to be a fucking sicko like me.
You can just watch and it'll be entertaining.
Have a good time.
Yeah, just a good time.
It's unfortunate they moved to Saturdays.
This was their last Wednesday card.
Yeah.
I like that.
The Wednesday cards were always so good.
Yeah, it was always fun.
Just jumping in the chat with everybody
and watching the fights.
Yeah.
Having something to drink.
Having a beer after work.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It was like Arthur's in A football.
It is.
That's a good analogy.
That's perfect.
That's exactly what it is.
That's a good analogy.
Emiliano Moreno gets a stoppage in seven
over Cesar Francis and Gabriel Flores Jr. UD.
We're so back, baby.
Gabe Flores, SAC Town represent.
Psst.
Another quick one.
Luis Neri stops Kionosuke Kameda in the seventh domination.
Kionosuke was a game.
It was like one of those too tough
for his own good kind of things.
So Neri's got some heavy ass hands.
So it's a scary prospect to be too tough for yourself.
All right.
Are we ready for Riyadh?
Yeah, the big one.
Giving my breath for this one.
This is why we're here.
This is what gets the new best card of all time.
Thank you.
His excellence.
They always say his excellence.
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He always says.
Best card of all time.
All right.
Let's start from the bottom up as always.
Callum Smith versus Joshua Bawazi.
This was a version of Callum Smith that I did not expect.
I honestly had kind of written him off
and I was expecting Bawazi to just kind of,
not steamroll, but like Neri with Kameda, just too much.
And Callum Smith in the latter stages of his career,
not being able to keep up.
What did you guys see?
I was surprised by Callum Smith's fight.
I'll be the first to admit it.
I honestly thought Joshua Bawazi would be a knockout.
I said on the last podcast that I thought
Callum Smith's time is done for,
but he's still got a little bit of life in him.
He's got that Derek Chisora.
Life flow right there.
The Derek Chisora.
No, I honestly, Bawazi's someone that like,
just in like depth of resume, hadn't shown anything,
but like I'm surprised Callum Smith was able to hang in there
like under that type of pressure,
considering how quickly he wilted against Canelo
and how he fades.
But it's just something where you see Bawazi's ceiling
if you're a little cynical about him.
And I think both of them make a very fun fight
with Anthony Yard.
Sure.
Cause they're not like, they're never gonna win
like a world title.
Oh no.
With how stacked the division is.
But I don't even think like,
well with how stacked it is, like top heavy it is.
Like even like that second tier of like Morel Benavides,
I don't think, I think it's a bit one-sided,
but like, you know that like tier of like,
like if Joe Smith were still in the division,
that tier of, or Joe Smith Jr. is still in the division.
Anthony Yard.
Those would be fun fights.
Yard is such a fun, like I want to see Smith and Yard
go at it so bad.
Gvozdy can maybe get another shot at interim
if he wanted to.
Yeah.
Gvozdy Bawazi is also a good one actually.
My thing with Kalim Smith is that if,
if Bivou vacates his title, which we'll talk about right now,
but if he were to go up to, let's say Cruiserweight,
then he would get the title cause Kalim Smith
is not the interim champion, correct?
Yes. Interim WBO.
Yeah.
So yeah, in theory he could potentially get the title
and they could hold on to that.
I mean, he might just be a champion soon.
You never know.
Fair, fair.
Overall, that was a good fight.
I liked that fight a lot.
I mean, I, I, I remember Leo,
I did tell you remember that,
that that fight was going to be unexpectedly good.
I didn't even think it was going to be that good, you know?
Yeah.
I'm wondering how would either of these guys,
particularly Kalim Smith since he's the winner,
but how would he fare against like David Morrell
based on what we saw against Benavides?
Is Benavides too good and Morrell too inexperienced
with Kalim Smith?
Has a similar level of experience,
like elite level experience that David Benavides does.
Hasn't always been, he's not 100% green on the board,
like with wins across the board, but I don't know.
I just think-
Can Smith-
He's not the-
Hang with the explosiveness though.
Benavides, it's just the explosiveness difference.
Like I feel like it kind of caught Morrell cold,
aside from the obvious well depth and gap and experience,
but unless Kalim Smith can really assert himself early,
and even then Morrell has so much fucking heart.
Yeah, he does.
Lesser men get stopped against Benavides like that.
I think Morrell takes down Kalim Smith
and both him and Joshua Boazzi.
Yeah.
And that's not really me being biased.
It's more so that he's young and he's hungry.
I guess just an athleticism difference.
Like Kalim Smith is not to discredit the man at all,
but he is, it's just not on that,
like he's just not explosive enough to take advantage
of those lapses that Morrell often has in his defense
without taking excessive punishment in return.
Yeah, sure man.
I mean, he also doesn't really have the speed
to also take advantage of openings that Morrell has.
Yeah.
Whereas Benavides was very, he had quick hands that fight.
So he was able to catch David Morrell a lot that night.
He's explosive and he sets traps,
which is not something that Smith is particularly good at.
Yeah, Smith is like the run on the mill British,
heavier.
He's got heart though.
He's got heart.
He's got like actual heart.
I was about to say, he's kind of like,
the Brits are similar to Mexicans.
I think I mentioned in the last podcast too actually.
The Brits are similar to Mexicans to where
they have a certain style, but they got heart.
They got a lot of heart.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's something that like, you kind of have to,
I feel like you kind of, you throw yard in there
and like you kind of, Morrell, not to say like Morrell,
they need like another kind of touch
before stepping up to that like kind of like S tier
of the division, I guess.
Cause even if it's top heavy,
there's still like such a gap between that top
and like these top 10 guys, you know?
Yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
The guys at the top are pound for pound,
the best in the world.
Yeah.
You know?
So, you can make the argument for both,
but besides being S tier, it's like,
there's a lot of A's and B's that can go up.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not that they're any bad.
It's just that like, I feel like it's more fun
to see if we can kind of shine a diamond
out of this A, B tier.
Yeah, sure.
And then just shatter it against
in an uncompetitive matchup, honestly.
Like this fight probably, this fight
and the next one that we're gonna talk about,
it should probably, it should have been higher up
on the card, cause they were, they're quality matchups.
Yeah.
Genuinely.
I disagree.
I think, the thing is on paper,
this fight really should have been at the bottom,
but how it played out, it really,
it could have been a co-main.
Yeah.
I guess it's me being more down on Buwazi than anything.
Yeah.
I agree.
It depends on the perception of the fighters, I guess.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
So I'm wondering, I'm looking at just ESPN.
So take it with a green assault,
but their rankings are, for light heavyweight,
their top 10 is like genuinely dog shit right now.
But, so Arthur Benavides of Embiival,
are the top two, no shit.
To me, that's the best tier.
And Benavides is sitting alone in an A tier.
And I'm wondering if, who else might be with Benavides?
Well, it's like an A plus, A minus with like Morello.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cause like with Morello, genuinely just is like
that championship experience.
Cause like what?
Yeah, he's gone 12 ones.
Like, Benavides has been on the tear up.
I disagree.
I mean, I agree that he, it's an A plus, A minus,
but I still think Morello starts to prove himself.
Yeah.
To be A minus, you know?
Yeah.
But I feel like that's why you make Callum Smith and Yard
and then you.
I would like to see probably either Anthony Yard
versus Morello or Morello versus Callum Smith.
And then see where he goes from there.
I like that a lot.
That would be a good Riyadh card too.
They worked with Morello in the past.
So I mean, I think-
Even Morello, I feel like for the fun factor,
I feel like Morello Yard is the way to go though.
Yeah, that'd be dynamite.
Like cause Yard, like Yard held up pretty good
against Benavides.
Yeah, I was just trying to find how long he went.
Eight out of 12.
So that's pretty damn good.
And for a defense that leaky.
Yeah.
For a defense that leaky.
Like that's cause like, cause like,
not to put Yard down,
but his defense is basically just vibes.
His defense is basically just vibes.
That's the best way I've heard.
That's the best kind of defense.
What else do you need?
It's just vibes.
Like.
I do not vibe with that punch.
I'm going to take it.
It's just the athleticism.
Like a guy like Beterbiev,
like the traps he sets offensively just doesn't.
But with Morello, you really see whether like,
Benavides was actually that much ahead of him,
or if it was more shortcoming from Morello.
I agree there.
Deficiencies versus.
Yeah.
Proficiencies in Benavides.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
We gotta keep moving though.
Cause like there's a lot of.
There's so much.
Yeah.
So much.
Yeah.
This is fucking Cal-Swift.
But we're going to be talking about,
this is the bulk,
going to be the bulk of the episode.
So fucking buckle in.
Moving up to Virgil Ortiz,
I guess UD over Madrimov,
interim WBC 154 title was on the line.
Let's go my man.
Virgil bro.
This is probably the best fight on the card.
Other than like,
like the probably the best fight in the card
from like a consistent,
like fun factor.
Yeah.
I agree.
It was, it was gangbusters.
I mean,
what was it a war?
Not really.
For the first half of the fight,
it was, it was mainly a tactical battle.
But that second half,
ooh boy.
That second half,
Dynamite.
Virgil's jab is just so, so effective in
letting him build his offense off of it.
The one thing that surprised me about Virgil this time
was not even his offense.
It was his defense.
He was so patient with the defense that
I was surprised.
There was this one time that,
that Madrimov,
what he just kept throwing
and I think it was 11th, right?
And Virgil Ortiz just kept blocking and moving.
I didn't know that he had a,
he kind of had that in him,
you know?
I think he would get kind of careless in the end.
Yeah.
Well, you saw it in the Boa Chuk fight.
Like,
Boa Chuk is like extremely competent and also just,
from Virgil's early career,
you would have expected him to get nailed by
counters like that, but no,
like he's really,
he's still with Robert Garcia, right?
Yeah.
Super credit to Robert Garcia for like patching up those,
like that impulsiveness that showed itself pretty early,
earlier in his career.
Yeah.
He never,
I thought that Madrimov was gonna have a different approach
because like in the first half,
like you were saying, Alex,
there was like a tactical,
technical sort of battle.
And then he's like,
oh shit, well, this is getting me nowhere.
Time to throw caution to the wind
and start throwing punches and seeing what lands.
But Virgil Ortiz, adaptability, versatility,
he worked through all of it.
And yeah, big, big ups to Robert Garcia.
The man is having a stellar year.
Yeah.
One fight not withstanding, you know?
Weirdly enough, I think it was a bit more,
it was more convincing for sure
than the Crawfords went over Madrimov,
just cause you saw more,
you saw more gears that Virgil could go through.
Like Crawford can adjust, but just in terms of pace, like.
Yeah.
There's more to this than just making
the technical adjustments.
There's like, how many gears can you really go through?
Is that, is that controversial right there?
Is that a controversial take?
That Virgil was a little more cynical than Crawford?
No, it's not even like.
It is win first Madrimov, specifically.
Madrimov, yeah.
Like where you say, like it's a common opponent.
Madrimov is a weird opponent too.
So it's not, especially cause Virgil definitely had time
to adjust to this weight.
Crawford came off like,
beating the shit out of Spence,
moved up a weight class off a long layoff.
And whereas like Virgil, Virgil is a climatized here.
True.
Yeah.
Sex facts.
Different circumstances, but for sure.
I just feel like Virgil, it's definitely a youth thing,
but Virgil just has more gears to go through athletically
than Crawford does at this point.
There was this one time during the fight,
I forgot which round I was in,
but it was, it just, it was so beautiful.
I don't know if you guys remember this,
but Virgil was pawn at Madrimov and he pretended up like,
he pulled out of the glove, right?
And he was gonna, he was gonna throw to the body, right?
And then he went over the top.
Oh my God.
That was one of the most beautiful things
I've seen from Virgil.
I'm not fanboying here cause Virgil's my guy.
I'm obviously gonna be biased at this, but.
No, it's just fluid.
It's just fluid though.
His offense was amazing.
I mean, it was just, it was spectacular.
I think, I think it's probably one of,
if not his best performance of his career.
I mean, I'm excited to see where he goes for this.
I mean, I hope that he gets a title shot,
hopefully from Fundora if he wins this next fight,
but we'll see what happens.
154 is exciting.
Like it's exciting like it was a couple of years ago,
but like it's not in that like,
like everyone can beat each other,
but in the sense that they're all talented,
they're not all equally flawed.
Yeah, I mean, the styles are gonna make the fights.
Yeah.
It's gonna be at the end of the day.
I mean.
No one has any super deficiencies except for maybe Sue.
We'll see what happens in the future.
That one's gonna be interesting to see.
For sure.
So, but actually before we keep going
with Virgil's next options,
I wanted to ask what can Madrimov do from here?
Cause I think the Boha Chuck fight is still on the table.
Oh, absolutely.
That's a fun fight.
But I think the thing is that like you,
that fight is a headliner in its own.
Like just think,
and also both guys have been off of like
pretty grueling series of fights.
Like you can build, you can,
I'm not gonna say the word marinate
cause it's like a dirty word in boxing,
but it's a dirty word.
But cause I'm not thinking about it
from a business perspective.
It's like let them show up in their best condition
instead of shopworn from their recent
actually really difficult run.
So you want to build up the fight.
Yeah.
Have them fight like not even,
cause they're like, they're all like top 10.
Have them fight like a top 20 guy in the division,
maybe bring up a welterweight who,
like an older welterweight,
like it's your time.
Have them on the same card of the undercard
of one of these Raj season cards.
As like a comeback fight.
Yeah.
Let everyone see that they're not like just opponents.
These guys can both headline and bang,
and then you have them bang with each other.
That's the thing though.
I feel like doing that,
they would lose the opportunity to fight each other
at one point.
Because I mean, assuming they do that,
they're also going to be moving up in the ranks, correct?
Yeah.
Meaning other people would want to fight them.
Yeah.
They're out of the picture,
but like in terms of like the,
like the sort of thinning top of the division,
cause the way it's just how it is,
like these Raj season cards put a bunch of ranked opponents
against each other.
The top of the division kind of thins out.
So once you're out,
you're kind of out until the division sorts itself out.
I can see what you're saying.
I agree with you to a certain extent,
but I don't think it's gotten to that point yet.
No, not yet.
I don't think they're at that point.
No.
I think the Crawford invasion
just kind of shook up the division a little bit.
Also with Charlo leaving the division as well,
kind of shook it up as well.
But I mean, I'm excited to see what's going to happen
in the future cause it's heating up a lot.
It's heating up a lot.
And with Fendora having two titles,
I mean, that's up for grabs.
I mean, I don't want to hate on Fendora right now.
He's a hell of a fighter,
but for all the other guys in the division,
it's two free titles for the taking in my opinion.
But we'll get to that a little later on in the next podcast.
When we talk about Fendora.
But just this division is just,
they're all very close.
And they're all fun.
It's not like, that's the big thing.
Like as a viewer,
as a viewer and like an enthusiast
that these fights getting put together, they're fun.
There's no Rigindow or a or Shakur up there.
You know what I mean?
They're all bang.
Yeah.
Which is be fun.
I mean, this fight, you can say that maybe
Israel Magrimon, he's a little,
he kind of fights off the back foot.
I mean, it's fine.
You kind of did see, he did fight on the back foot a lot.
But you know what?
I think that's the most you're going to see
out of the division.
These fights.
Yeah. There's something,
there's something that we said about like a nice sloppy war,
but also just, it's something that is the,
like it's the sport at its best when you get guys
who can box, like really box, but you know,
they want to engage.
And that's something you see a lot with this division.
I think this division is going to become a classic.
Offensive technicians versus defensive technicians.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
There's names.
So what I want to see,
someone I want to see get in the mix, like,
regardless of like the top, how the very top.
I want to see Charles Conwell
start really getting in the mix here.
Yeah.
He could really shake things up.
I've been a believer.
I haven't been on the podcast before.
I've been a Charles Conwell believer.
Yeah. I've been impressed with him.
The last few fights I've watched.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens with him.
Yeah.
So I guarantee you this division is going to be a,
a classic in the future though.
Like people are going to remember this,
like how people remember the welterweight division
with Mayweather.
You know what I mean?
The last time that like it was Jarrett Hurd,
Tony Harrison,
Charlo,
Brian Castaño.
Charlo Castaño.
Yeah.
Those were the guys.
But they were all, they all had,
they was fun cause they were all flawed.
Like here, there's no like-
Also J-Rock and Lara,
J-Rock.
And J-Rock was at 154 at the time.
Yeah.
At the time, yeah.
And for Virgil,
it's got to be a title shot next, right?
He has to.
I'm raging.
There can't be anything else.
There's no, he needs to activate mandatory.
He has two interim titles, correct?
Yeah.
I think so.
Let me look on Box for a quick, hold up.
Box rec is down at the moment.
Box rec is down.
It's actually horrible.
It's actually horrible timing.
Yeah, I know.
I was trying to look up who was at a,
when we were talking about the light heavyweights,
I was quiet cause I'm like over here, like raging.
Like what the fuck is wrong with it?
Yeah.
So I went to-
ESPN got me.
Yeah.
Fight Facts, it's actually not too bad.
He has a WBA gold.
Whatever the hell that is.
That's not an interim title.
It's not.
Regardless of his interim titles,
I need to see like Bakram and Virgil.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Mertzaliev and Virgil is just, they're just,
they're good, good operators.
Their offenses are stellar to watch.
And they both, unless proven otherwise,
they both have very solid chins that can hold up
to what they can throw at each other.
That's a classic.
That's for sure a classic, but that's probably,
that's going to be really dangerous for Virgil,
in my opinion.
Bakram is a guy you cannot mess with.
You know, you cannot, like,
you can't have any mistake with that guy.
Cause he's going to catch you.
Yeah, but as you mentioned,
like the patience he showed in these last couple of fights
is like, before,
before we saw this like extra dimension mentally from him,
you could be like, yeah,
Bakram is going to catch him here with the patience.
It's less likely that he gets caught super, super clean.
For sure.
Without his building himself first.
Yeah.
Cause that jab, like again,
Virgil's jab is probably the best part of his offense.
Cause you see like the clip you mentioned
where he can paw at it, it only comes out of that,
like a, like just piston like jab at the start of the fight.
For sure.
She always comes out firing that thing.
With Bakram specifically,
he's a really good finisher.
Oh, absolutely.
The way he finished Tim Tzu was scary.
I remember watching that,
it was, it's giving me flabby.
I was in disbelief.
But the way he finished Tim Tzu was crazy.
So Virgil cannot mess up like that at all.
No, absolutely.
It's a good title shot though.
It's a good title shot.
Good as,
good as match up.
Yeah.
Cause it's Fendora and then Crawford and Bakram.
Crawford's moving up.
So he's going to be vacating the title.
So I mean, you can fight-
Is number two in the WBA?
Damn, I can't, I don't know if you can check.
I'm looking this up, I got this.
I got this.
Yeah, I'm looking it up too.
Cause maybe,
maybe he could get a WBA title when Crawford vacates.
Which I think-
Yeah, you got Lubin.
Lubin, right?
Yeah, Lubin.
It'd be Lubin or Jesus Ramos.
Oh, okay.
Pace Ramos, I got it.
I would like for it to be Lubin simply
so that he could be punished for being on the-
Robbing Ramos.
For robbing Ramos.
Even though it wasn't his fault,
he still has to pay for it.
He's got to be punished.
Yeah.
For benefiting.
Lubin, Lubin, you were fun.
We'll talk about Ramos too.
You were fun as, you were fun to watch
in the last era your time has come.
All right, let's move on from Virgil
to Ague Caballel, KO6 over G. Lay Zhang.
I don't know what Caballel's theme song is
so I'm gonna play the Joe Joyce one.
Gonna cut it in right here.
Cause man, Big Bang, very small bang.
He got the knockdown.
I think that was in round three.
And that was it.
I was worried, legitimately worried
as I was really pulling for Caballel.
I've been pulling for Caballel for a while.
So I'm really happy to see the way this turned out.
Is it bad that like, I really don't think
this was like unexpected.
Like, if I closed my eyes and thought
of this matchup beforehand, I'd be like,
yeah, it's about right.
Caballel gets knocked down and then Zhang's body shuts down.
No, I think you had a good intuition.
Yeah, cause like Zhang, like remember his draw
with Jerry Forrest where like he literally almost died.
Like if Zhang is ever, like was ever gonna get stopped,
it was gonna be on like a conditioning
in like second, second ish half.
And it was gonna be to the body.
Yeah, that was probably the most valid way
of knocking out Big Bang Zhang.
It's not even via the knockup via the head.
It was out of the body,
just so it could make him a dick in the, you know.
I think Alex, last time when we talked,
when we were previewing it,
you had mentioned Zhang and Killer Instinct.
And I feel like the Killer Instinct failed him again,
cause he had the knockup and Caballel was in trouble,
but he didn't press the issue.
He didn't press the issue.
He let him get away with it pretty much.
I don't understand why he keeps doing this.
Honestly, I don't understand why I took that.
I don't know why I had the thing, honestly.
I should have realized that I was too high
on the Zhang supply, in my opinion.
It's just like a gas thing.
Cause like you see with Joyce,
with Joyce caught him so deep, but on these,
like even Parker and stuff,
he doesn't catch them that deep or that clean.
Yeah.
Like he's a very single shot guy.
The thing with looking for a big bang.
Yeah. Yeah.
His legs just can't carry him any further.
That's 41 year old man.
I mean, George Horman is not, wasn't the most limber,
like he was in the seventies when he like rumble
in the jungle.
It didn't make me sad to see Big Bang Zhang
get knocked out like that though.
It was pretty sad.
I think he's still gonna be in the mix with these fights.
Yeah, absolutely.
Sure.
We'll talk about it later,
but I do want to see him with a certain fighter
we're talking about in a bit.
Coming up. Oh yeah.
Honestly, I think about you.
I want to see him.
I kind of want to see him get a title shot now.
Is that crazy to say that?
I want to see him fight.
He has an interim title now.
I don't want to see him fight Lusik.
Cause like, I feel like, like Lusik,
like the way Caboil sets up his body attack is that like,
just the way he does it,
anyone with more speed than like the average heavyweight
is going to feast on that.
Sad to say.
For sure.
Yeah, you're right.
You're right. You're right. You're right.
It's gotta be later when Lusik's gone.
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Dubois.
It's not gonna be long before Lusik's out.
No, like Lusik's around, Lusik's two and done, right?
I believe so.
Yeah.
He got two more left in him?
That's what he says.
Interesting.
Maybe you could say fucking, you could fight,
you could fight Big Bang Zhang.
Honestly, if Zhang kind of did knock out Caboil,
he would be the mandatory for Lusik.
For Lusik.
Yeah. I mean, that, that would have been like a,
that would have been a weird timeline, huh?
I think Zhang actually suffers heat stroke
and dies in that fight.
Yeah, probably.
He fucking dies.
Honestly, that was, that was kind of an interesting take
for my part, but it's okay.
I got to get back anyways.
That wasn't that important.
That one wasn't too crazy.
Yeah.
But we'll talk about my other one in a bit.
Now, Shakur Stevenson, TK09 over very late replacement,
Josh Padley.
I, this is a, the fight played out similar to Yoshino
in that Stevenson stood right in the pocket
and traded with him, dodged everything pretty much,
but was in the, in the zone, I guess.
And it took him nine fucking rounds.
I, I can't.
Yeah. Nine fucking rounds.
Are we gonna, are you guys gonna call on Shakur
or do you want me to?
Go ahead.
Yeah, you kick it off.
What do you got?
The fact he went nine with someone like that,
I mean, I got to give it to Josh Padley.
In my eyes, he won the fight.
I don't care what you all say.
He won the story of the fight.
He won the story of the fight and what, on a day notice
or two day notice?
Yep.
He did the best he could have done.
Okay.
And what, look, the way that Shakur Stevenson fought that,
I think he kind of injured his hand
in the middle of the fight, right?
He says he did, probably.
He always says he always says he did though.
Look, look, I think, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.
I think if Floyd Schofield was fighting him,
hold up, hold up, hold up.
If Floyd Schofield was fighting him,
I think Floyd Schofield could have won that fight.
I'm sorry.
That version of Shakur?
Yeah.
Yeah, but we know that version isn't showing up against
Schofield.
Schofield, like Schofield's a legitimate threat.
It's a different guy.
You get a Rigo Classic.
Yeah, there you go.
But he didn't, unfortunately.
You guys believe the rumors with Schofield?
That he was, not a poison.
Not a poison.
Poison.
I didn't get, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, I don't believe that.
I do think he got sick though.
Oh, absolutely.
Like the, like, you know,
your boy also got sick.
Like that was just like, like definitely one guy had a cold
and then one of those dumb ass press events,
Turkey did spread around the illness.
Honestly, I think that happened when they did that,
the way they sat in the ring
with that awful ass fucking interview.
That, I think that's when they got it.
Yeah.
I was so scared for this whole card
because when Schofield fell through
and then Dubois fell through,
I thought everybody else was gonna start falling.
Especially BetterBF.
BetterBF who's a-
Fragile old man.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I got scared for that.
That was a big one.
That, like, honestly, the people saying that
Shakur poisoned Schofield is so funny.
Cause I'm like, yeah,
Shakur totally poisoned him
so he could look like shit against an electrician.
Yeah.
The fix was in.
The blue collar bomber.
Oh, I love that.
I love that.
Yeah.
Nah, like honestly, Josh Padley, credit to him.
He went out there, exerted himself probably less
than at his average shift that is an electrician
and got to retire from it and actually follow his dream.
Yeah.
And you know what?
Shakur, not only did he fight Shakur,
he got to deal with Matchroom.
Yep, he did.
Oh, he won.
He won.
Like he's totally getting paid.
He might just get a rematch with Shakur in the future.
No.
I hope not.
Yeah.
Fuck yeah, I wanna see that.
I kinda do wanna see it.
Padley seeing he signed with Matchroom
only to cease fighting a unknown Mexican
with a 22, four and one record.
22 with 20 knockouts.
20 knockouts.
Nickname is some kind of animal.
Tiger.
Tiger, I don't know.
Tiger, yeah.
But do you guys agree with my take
about how Schofield could have beat him,
that Shakur that night?
The Stevenson that showed up versus Padley, probably.
Yes.
Thank you, thank you.
Okay, I'm cool with that, I'm cool with that.
Yeah.
All right.
Now we're gonna give you another chance to shine here.
Carlos Adamas. Oh my God.
Split draw, Hamza Shiraz.
I was pulling for Shiraz.
We talked about that.
I am actually, this is very disappointing for Shiraz.
That was dog shit from Shiraz.
That was a dog shit performance.
Carlos Adamas fucking won.
There's no question in my mind about it.
All right. Yeah.
There you go, go off.
Okay, dude.
Hold up.
Respectfully, respectfully.
Fuck y'all. Oh no.
Fuck y'all, I knew, I know, I knew.
I knew Carlos Adamas was gonna win.
And they fucking robbed him.
They fucking robbed the guy.
Robbed.
He went to Rio, not Rio, he went to Riyadh
and fought in a kangaroo core ass fight.
That was some of the bullshit things I've ever seen.
Actually, hold up, I don't wanna say,
I don't wanna spoil it,
but that was bullshit until recently,
which we'll talk about next podcast.
But Carlos Adamas came to Riyadh,
fought fucking, he fought Turkey's lap dog.
He fought Turkey's lap dog.
You saw it during the fight, dude.
You saw in the middle of the fight
that Turkey went up to Hamza Shiraz's corner
and told him you're down this, this and that.
Remember?
So about that, what I heard is also that
he went to tell Shiraz himself about the scoring
and he sent someone else to Adamas's corner
to tell them the scoring.
But people only saw Turkey
because he's noticeable.
Oh, okay.
It's open scoring.
WBC, they do it all the time.
So this isn't a surprise.
Yeah, like, what was it?
Morel is Danny Garcia.
Canelo Austin Trout.
It's the same way, yeah.
As my fault, I thought that it was only Turkey.
I thought so too.
But you can blame that on how the zone presents things though.
That's just always, that's a production error.
Because they have the ability to just show both corners.
Yeah.
It's just a production problem.
You could tell that everybody thought Hamza Shiraz lost.
Okay.
Except, of course, certain person named
the Turkey, all the sheiks, the fix was them.
And I'm pissed.
I was pissed.
Rightfully so.
Because I would, Leo, you know,
you know I chose Carlos Adamas, dude.
Yeah, I know.
And also, to all the fucking people that called in
and told me I was wrong, okay?
Y'all are casuals.
You see how much knowledge they have from that, okay?
I don't care what y'all say.
I had that right.
All the casuals.
I'm a fucking casual.
This is shots fired to my own kind at this point
because I am actually a casual as well.
But at the same time, I was right about Carlos Adamas, okay?
I was right.
And I'm proud of that.
I don't care what anybody says to me.
Yeah, you're right.
I was right about Carlos Adamas.
You're right.
Yeah.
You were right.
Thank you.
I am so severely disappointed in Hamza Shiraz.
Having actually watched him, like up to now.
Yeah, exactly.
Bam, this guy's game is so flat.
Do you think he was sick too, like everyone else?
Maybe?
No.
Yeah, actually Adamas poisoned them.
That's the theory.
Yeah, he's real.
Yeah, he put him on the floor.
Real ones know.
Real eyes, real eyes.
Yeah.
He got fucking the poison spell rolled for initiative.
He got a fucking one.
Sucks to suck, Hamza.
Perkyu just evening the, thumb on the scales, evening it out.
Yeah.
What do you guys think Hamza Shiraz goes from here?
That is a good question.
I would say-
Hopefully a rematch.
They should do that again.
They'll run it back.
I do not wanna see, fuck it.
I don't wanna see Hamza Shiraz near a title shot.
Hey, I honestly, hey, honestly, this is a bit of a karmic
justice, I'd say, considering you can debate that
with Adamas Rob Dervichenko back in 2021.
You can't?
If you want to?
You totally can't.
That was a majority decision.
Like I feel like it was a bit of karmic justice.
Having no stake in this game other than disappointment.
I will say, you know what, honestly, you are right.
But at the same time, Hamza Shiraz is also Turkey's laptop.
This is a whole different ball game compared to that fight.
They're just muslims, I don't know.
I don't think they know each other personally or anything.
Is that sarcasm?
No.
You don't think that Turkey stuck his neck out for Hamza?
Oh, he did.
I'm not saying he didn't.
He did.
No, but for next steps, who in the middleweight division
do we actually wanna see a fight?
Like fight, it's such a dead division.
I wanna see Janubek.
Janubek is all there is.
Yeah, Janubek and like,
everybody's writing Lara in the retirement home.
I just want Lara's belt.
He can keep fighting only once.
Just stop holding that thing hostage, please.
Well, he's gotta,
but someone's gotta beat him for it though.
It's not like he hasn't fought other middleweights.
Well, you can't be fighting like Moshe Suleki
or Danny Garcia or fucking Shane Mosley Jr.
and be expecting-
Like who else is there?
They can have an in-house unification.
Yeah, like give me like, yeah, actually.
That would be a perfect,
that would be a perfect unification right there.
It's perfect.
See the shitty part there though,
is that I think Lara beats Adamas.
No.
No, no, no.
I think Lara beats Adamas.
Late stage tomorrow, man.
Late stage Lara hits different.
No, I think-
He doesn't have the legs to move,
so he actually has to use his offense now.
Yep.
I think Adamas wins that fight.
I'm not trying to be an Adamas laser,
because if anything, I'm a Janabek laser,
but I don't want to see
here's Lamy Lara versus Janabek,
that would be boring.
I don't think so.
Yeah.
I think Lara, Lara without legs is a-
Lara isn't boring and hasn't been for a bit.
He just like, he's so old.
He can't move.
He can't run over.
He's not used to it.
It's not from, no,
I'm not saying it's boring from Lara's part.
It would be boring from Janabek's part.
Has Janabek really showed that much of a ceiling though?
Like I don't, no, no fault of his own.
Middleweight kind of stinks.
Yeah, it's not his fault.
But he did, he did come up
under the top rank protection program.
Yeah.
That's true.
Honestly, you know what?
You can hate me for this.
I kind of, I kind of want to see Janabek versus Canelo.
I do.
I said that a while ago.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's better.
He's better.
He's better than, yeah.
He's got power.
He's got, he's got good boxing skill.
I think that could, that could really kind of throw Canelo,
throw Canelo on the wind.
That's exactly why he's not gonna fight him fucking ever.
Yeah, exactly.
That's why he's never really getting any fights ever.
Saul de Nero Alvarez.
Payday, payday, you won payday.
Bottom line, dude, I'll take this dub.
Yeah.
Even though it was a draw on paper, he still won a mice.
I think one never else is coming up too.
Oh yeah.
Well, that was a little more technical,
but I'll talk about that next week.
More draws.
All right, moving up.
Joseph fucking Parker, just Mercs, Martin Bacoli.
Bacoli came in on a few days notice,
like just like Josh Padley did.
So 315 pound African fellow coming from the Congo
coming out of nowhere.
He's a, they keep, they kept calling him
the dark horse of heavyweight.
I absolutely agree with that, but let's not, I don't know.
I think we're putting too much stock
in this win for Joseph Parker.
Like Bacoli is a guy who very clearly
and always has never trained outside of camp.
The only rounds he's doing
if he doesn't have a fight scheduled
are at the buffet with Dan Raphael.
This guy is not training.
This guy like rolled off the couch
and cashed like probably eight on the plane.
Well, honestly, you gotta give respect to Bacoli dude.
He took the spot.
Yeah, he stepped in.
The fight was gonna get canceled, but he stepped in.
Yeah, absolutely.
How many people do you think, and also kind of like.
He torpedoed his ranking.
Yeah, like higher, higher, higher rankings, you know,
would go and do that.
I don't think I really, anybody's done that in boxing.
I don't even know how long ago.
Like respect.
I don't think Pacquiao did it,
but that was the last time I remember that.
How I feel about Parker has not changed though.
No, yeah, that's the only way to put it.
I also don't think any differently about Bacoli either.
Yeah, I don't look at him too negatively.
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Let's get the last one out of the way.
The Bevil majority decision over Archer Better Biev.
I am of the mind, even though I feel
Better Biev won the first, or not Better Biev,
Bevil won the first fight.
I feel Bevil won this one too,
but they wanted to set up the trilogy.
I feel like they're pretty good.
This fight, this fight is how the first one should've gone.
It should not have taken Bevil 24 rounds
to get the, like, to figure out
like the ghost of Better Biev.
Remember Leo, when we were talking last week
about how we didn't think Bevil could fight
a more perfect fight,
like he already fought the perfect fight?
Yeah.
I didn't think it was possible to be wrong about that,
but we were wrong.
I think Bevil fought an even better fight
than the first time.
He won this one more definitively.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you know what?
The rules were flipped, where Bevil,
Bevil came all out past the sixth round, right?
But he kind of played possum for the first six,
the latter half of the fight, he just gave it his all.
Well, it's not a defect that Bevil has,
because he has his style,
but he's always just never put on, like,
like against an opponent,
like, see, didn't, like,
it's just a lack of like an exclamation mark
when it matters.
Cause like, yeah, you can shoe shine,
like Joe Smith in the 12th round
of a match you've 12-0'd him for,
but like, there's just a lack of urgency
that's shown up sometimes.
Like you're telling me that Craig Richards
really belonged in there with him for 12?
I don't know.
But he's a boxing robot.
You program him with the game plan.
That's what he does.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm not saying there's anything super wrong with it,
but just-
It's a feature, it's not a bug.
Yeah, but with there, like in terms of like,
when you're in, like,
with the elite, elite opponents of your career,
you just need that exclamation mark over a round.
A fire round.
We're gonna talk about this with our,
in the next podcast, we're like specifically like,
I'm gonna talk about like the need for an exclamation mark.
Yeah.
A fire.
We have the benefit of every camera view possible.
These judges sit on one side of the ring
and like sometimes you don't see the finer work,
which is why the exclamation mark,
even if it's not as effective as your other work,
it's just needed.
So all the judges see it.
I think better be of should, is it about time?
He's gonna do the trilogy, of course,
but after that, is there anything?
No, that's it.
There's nothing for him to do.
This-
I don't want to see trilogy.
I don't either.
To be fair, these fights are good, good enough that like,
I could watch these guys fight each other every four months
and keep flipping the result.
For sure.
Like, I just think like,
do one more just so that way you have like,
Bival can really stamp a unanimous decision.
And like we get,
cause Bival improved throughout these fights
as they went on.
We get like a real peak Bival that he,
like a level that he hopefully stays at
and then better be of can just like retire having
only fallen short against the absolute best of the era.
The thing is, Bival won two times.
I don't need to see a third.
And the thing is that,
what if better be does win third?
What happens?
Do you have to do a fourth?
No, I wouldn't mind it either,
but I think that they would call it-
It needs to be decisive though.
That's the thing.
Like if better be of catches him, stops him,
it like say what you will about,
yeah, 36 rounds for one punch, but it is what it is.
It's decisive.
Pacquiao, Marquez.
I would get-
I liked, I really liked this fight.
In all fairness, Marquez,
if it wasn't for like the 6 million knockdowns
in the first round of their first fight,
Marquez totally owned him.
Marquez just had his number.
It's true.
And I think with Bival better be of,
I just want to see Benavides get a title shot.
Please.
That's it.
He's been sidelined his whole career besides the-
Well, it's his own fault though.
Like 168, it was his own fault.
It was his own fault.
He got stripped twice for things that were his fault.
Yeah, but you know what?
He had a comeback, dude.
He came back and he was healthy.
I think he deserved it.
You fumbled two shots at a Canelo payday
because Canelo at that point in time
was just going to go for the titles.
Well, was Canelo, did he get vacated?
He had the W title.
He missed the weight once and then popped for cocaine once.
Well, the thing is for that,
was that during Canelo's 168 run or was that before?
The cocaine was at the start of it.
Bringing it back to light heavyweight real quick.
So we can wrap up this portion.
We got fucking, so the rematch is next, unfortunately.
Would you call it the three match?
I like that one.
I think-
Repeat, repeat or revenge.
I think a good holding fight is Callum Smith
versus Benavides, they're both mandatories.
I don't think that goes well for Callum Smith
and he probably wouldn't take it
like when he could just wait and get a title shot.
Oh, he gets his ass beat so bad.
Yeah, I just want Benavides
to be the undisputed mandatory challenger.
Why?
You can stick Boatsy Kvostik.
You can make that a light heavyweight bonanza
because you do Boatsy Kvostik, you do Morel Yard.
I do not want to see Benavides become the first
undisputed interim light heavyweight title holder.
At light heavyweight, of course.
Williams of Peta did it at light weight.
So that's fun.
Oh yeah.
That would be horrible.
Be hilarious, but it would be horrible.
Anything more for the Riyadh card?
Should we move on?
That's the best card ever.
Ever.
I think that, I just want to say that
it was a little underwhelming, I'm not gonna lie,
but on paper it was supposed to be
the best card of the century.
Okay, the next one is the best card of the century.
There you go.
It's always coming soon, trademark.
Canelo versus William Skull, a fan favorite.
No, I was talking about the Arkham Asylum
in the Times Square.
Oh, Fatal Fury.
Fatal Fury is the...
Versus Ben.
No, I'm talking about the mental patients at 140
that they're just releasing on Times Square.
That's gonna be an interesting fight right there.
All right, let me do this really quick.
All right, that's the separation.
And moving into previews.
Not a whole lot going on.
So I really scraped the bottom of the barrel here.
In Indio, California, on the zone, Golden Boy Fight Night.
I don't know who these dudes are.
Grant Flores versus Laquan Evans, that's the headline.
There's a Mongolian dude in the co-main
and Mongolian people are rugged.
So that's a, if nothing else, tune in for that one,
at the very least.
But that's on the sixth, Thursday.
Friday, March 7th, bunch of bullshit.
Boxer, this one's on Peacock in the US.
Oh, come on.
Carolyn DuBois is from The Watch.
Yes, this one's not actually bullshit.
Carolyn DuBois is actually from The Watch.
It's not that terrible.
Natasha Jonas versus Lauren Price is a headline.
I believe it's a three belt unification.
And that should be fun.
I believe there's a bit of a rivalry there.
And yeah, Carolyn DuBois.
If he can stand the ruleset of women's boxing, it's fun.
Actually, the one in a moment,
it's gonna be interesting note to add to it.
But yeah, the women's rules are lame.
It's unfortunate.
They deserve better.
WBC lightweight champ,
Caroline DuBois in the co-main verse, Bomi Reysheen.
That's fun.
That'll be interesting.
Wasserman.
You can see a very keyed up Sauerland brother.
Chances are you'll catch one of them on the camera.
Two fights only really worth it.
Michael Conlon.
Yeah, Mickey Conlon is back versus Asad Asif Khan.
Don't know who that is.
That's a 130.
Looking to get back in the top 500.
Hey.
And Harlem Eubank versus Tyrone McKenna,
IBF Intercontinental 147.
Both of those start about midday.
I don't know where to watch the Wasserman card.
So I can't, I don't know.
Put your sales up.
Oh.
We're gonna see the high seas.
Look who decided to join me.
It's Tubbs.
Hey buddy.
All right.
Moving on.
Last card for the seventh.
This is on Dazon.
Most valuable promotions.
Jake Paul?
No.
His promo, yeah, but not him not fighting.
Watch.
One card.
No.
Or one fight on the card worth that I honestly
can only recognize is Lucas Boddy.
He's back after that great.
This is a MVP.
K.O. of the year.
Yeah. K.O. comeback of the year.
This is MVP slash matchroom as I understand it.
And he's fighting Ryan James Rekaza.
That's.
That's gonna be.
Is he even ranked?
Honestly, my comment about these cards.
No.
Doesn't look like it.
Probably actually.
Probably like top 20 in like the WBA or something honestly.
The ranking, like these numbers that I have here
are from box.
These are like low key like.
Low key what?
Low key they're like pro box cards though
and like their fun value.
They're not as meaningful at all
because you're just building prospects.
Yeah, they're developmental.
Like they're fun.
Yeah.
I always point them out
because like if you like boxing or if you love it,
watch it.
That's all it really is to do is watch it.
No.
You got nothing to do after work.
Like it's this or cracking the hog.
This is better.
All right.
We like.
All right.
Saturday, March 8th.
Really just one really quickly.
Danny Swift Garcia.
He's in the promotion game now.
This fight is gonna be on this new service
that I just found out about.
So it's new to me.
BXNGTV.com.
That's Boxing TV, right?
Pro box.
Actually like low key, good.
The lot of games on here that I don't really recognize.
Gabriel Murataya.
He's a Robert Garcia kid.
He's actually pretty damn good.
Not as good as his brother obviously, but.
Nicholas Walters is still around.
Yeah.
So moving up.
One.
Let me cherry pick on the way up here.
So I gave you Gabe Murataya.
Kelvin Davis, DB3 on me.
DB3 on me.
As of right now, I don't know who his opponent is.
So I don't know.
The last two fights on the bill, the top, the co-main.
Luis Torres Valenzuela versus Nicholas Walters.
Yes, that Nicholas Walters.
And Arnold Kegay versus Joed Gonzalez.
The co-main looks pretty good.
So that's.
Main's gonna be fun as hell.
Yeah.
It's just like boxing.
The main is really fun.
Yeah.
That's just gotta be their tagline at this point.
Low key.
We're like the pro box of.
It's a low key guitar.
This podcast is like the pro box of podcasts, yeah.
We're like the low key.
I usually say this.
Low key but good.
Yeah.
I usually say this on the MMA show where it's like,
sorry, the MMA people, but boxing is,
that's where it's at this weekend.
This time, like, I think UFC 313.
It's looking a little bit more stacked.
That might be why.
Get yourself a second.
Get your shit on on this one.
Get a second monitor, have pro box, have UFC
and alternate between the one that
is more fun at the moment.
Yeah.
Pro box.
Not play.
Well, that's it.
That's the pro box.
We're pro pro box on this podcast.
I'm gonna show it to the day I die.
For sure.
I have never said a negative thing about pro box
and it's because I fucking, I mean it.
I have nothing negative to say about them.
Even Paulie, who as a person outside of the boxing sphere,
I really don't care for him, but he's awesome on the show.
On every show.
When he's commentating, he cares about,
again, like this leads to my greater point.
He loves boxing.
It's not about him.
It's about the fight in front of him.
Sometimes his bias leaks through towards like
boxers versus punchers, but like,
Of course.
That's just part of the flavor though.
You know what you're getting.
Algerian is in the same way, but he can respect punchers
just cause he's been in with some solid ones.
He's gotten hit by punchers and Connor Benz.
Chris, Chris Algerian is a pretty good fighter.
Not a pretty good fighter, a pretty good commentator.
I like him.
I like him as a commentator a lot.
Dude is really smart.
Yeah.
All right, let me do this thing.
It's just people paired with.
All right.
Do you guys remember when I fought Sean Porter?
Y'all remember when I fought Zadjudo?
He doesn't do that.
Fucking when you got wrecked by Errol Spence, buddy.
I remember when they pulled him off.
They pulled him off the commentary booth
to go get his ass kicked by Connor Benz.
That was my side piece.
Yeah.
That was malanaji.
Yeah.
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Right, so we're gonna wrap up here.
Parting words.
I'll start with this one.
Actually, you said side piece and maybe it reminded me
that I've been running those with Shannada
since she's out in Japan scheduling
with you guys is a little difficult.
So we've been doing that.
It's a little bit looser of a framework
where we're not running down every single card
that's coming up, but it's still a lot of fun.
So keep your eye out for that.
And fucking, dude, watch ProBox.
Watch it.
ProBox good.
The zone bad.
Top rank worse.
At least.
GBC's on the floor.
At least top rank.
And ProBox, they both broadcast in 1080p.
And the zone is still in fucking DVD quality.
Isn't that crazy how fucking ProBox
has better quality than the fucking Card of the Century?
Yeah.
It's crazy, huh?
Hey, it's no longer the Card of the Century.
The next one's the Card of the Century.
They'll get it right on the next one.
That's true.
All right, partying.
Yeah, that's just like...
Oh, I kept it to six words.
Whatever you want.
Yeah, I'll repeat my six words.
ProBox good.
The zone bad.
Top rank worse.
That's good.
My turn now, right?
Yeah, that's you.
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, I love boxing.
I'm excited to see what's gonna happen.
These next couple months.
For the next month, it's gonna be a little slow,
but still a solid month.
We just gotta wait till then this comes up.
Okay?
But you know what?
Again, I'll say it again.
I love boxing.
I love you all who watch this podcast.
Thank you for tuning in.
All right.
With that, I'm gonna get out of here.
Oh, you know what we're talking about next time.
You already know.
All right, see you on the other side
of this interesting weekend.