1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Welcome to the Gospel Truth Project podcast. This week I got Dylan here with 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,960 me. Hey guys. It's another week that you're here and I'm so excited for you 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:17,500 to be here again. Glad to be here as always, you know, just talking about the 4 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:22,920 gospel. Awesome and as you guys have seen because you clicked on the title, this 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,800 one is prosperity gospel. What is it? So we're actually going to discuss a 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,200 little bit about prosperity gospel. What it is, who are the main people 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,160 behind it, what's out of spot, it what are some verses they use, what do those 8 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:43,120 verses really mean, why is this message dangerous, and what does the Bible say 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,280 about it. So I think this is an important topic because I've definitely had people 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:54,160 come up to me and talk about this topic at me like I was the the uneducated one 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,260 biblically because I didn't know what I was talking about. I don't know about you 12 00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:03,960 if you've seen the prosperity gospel. I you know here and there but you know I 13 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:11,600 mean what knowledge do you have? You're only a pastor's kid. Nothing big, nothing too 14 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:20,320 insane. But no, a hundred percent. There is definitely, definitely a lot, a lot of 15 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:27,600 things that the prosperity gospel you know there's issues with it but there's 16 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,880 issues with everything but it's gonna be interesting to dive into this. Some 17 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:38,240 people might disagree with us. If you do, that's okay. 18 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,200 Everyone can have their disagreements. Just keep it civil and yeah if you want to 19 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,500 comment, talk about that, just hop in the discord. We'll be posting that link to 20 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:54,440 that too as well. If you don't, if you're watching this or listening to this on 21 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,400 something separate in the discord. But yeah we're diving into that now. Jason's gonna 22 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,680 get into it. Well here we go. Yeah I think I think we encourage people if 23 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,160 you if you disagree or if you have questions or if you believe something 24 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,920 differently, we encourage people to go into the discord and talk with us 25 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:18,840 because we'd love to talk because one of the things I think a lot of our culture 26 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,280 nowadays is that if you know something to be true to you and you think that 27 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,800 that's truth, that anybody that says otherwise is wrong and to shut them down 28 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,920 any way you can rather than discussing. And I think it's more healthy to 29 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:38,000 discussing so you can strengthen your beliefs or you can see that you were in 30 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,220 the wrong because correction can't happen without questioning. So this is 31 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:48,720 kind of where this comes from. And I am always right. Yeah, no. You're always the wrong way. 32 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,240 You're the highway. That's not the way to live for Christ. Right. I'm you know 33 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,440 I get hot-headed so I can't say that I've not been there but we're 34 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,960 understanding. Jason's the cool calm-headed one so he can deal with you 35 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,640 guys and I can try to you know be slow to anger and have some peace in the spirit. 36 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:14,680 Yeah I love discussing stuff. Like I think I ended up talking to a friend of 37 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:25,680 mine. He's not Christian and he's very very set on. He's very pro-evolution and 38 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,720 pro-we're here by accident and there's no purpose of life and he has a lot of 39 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,560 different beliefs than I do. And we sat down and got on a phone call and 40 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,200 talked for hours without criticizing, without yelling, without calling each 41 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,400 other names or saying well you're blah whatever. It was very common collective. 42 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,800 We had a really good discussion and I love that stuff. I'm more than happy to 43 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:56,200 sit down and talk. That was very quiet whatever you just said. I always I said I 44 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:03,880 guess you had your coffee beforehand then. Oh man that's like every day. So 45 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,480 yeah so let's get into this. Prosperity or gospel? The first thing I want to ask 46 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,600 is what is it? I've had this question a lot because there's a lot of I've been 47 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,200 seeing a little bit more buzz about it. Like oh prosperity gospel and then 48 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,320 people saying what is this? What does that mean? I would say the simplest way 49 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,640 to put it is that the prosperity gospel goes by many names. Like you could see it 50 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,760 nowadays. It's like word of faith, health and wealth, name it and claim it. Most 51 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:37,600 people know it by that. This different gospel teaches you know that God 52 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,340 provides rewards including personal happiness, financial wealth, physical 53 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:46,560 wealth, for believers who have sufficient faith. Prosperity theology 54 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,160 developed in America in the last century and has been called a baptized form of 55 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:59,360 capitalism. What are your takes on this? Is this something that you've seen? I've seen it. 56 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,920 You know I think it's a lot where you get well if bad things happen then you 57 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,360 know what how is there God if the bad things happen? It's like no because it's 58 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,560 not always gonna be sunshine and rainbows and unicorns. God even said you 59 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,320 know God himself Jesus like he said that it's not going to always be easy that 60 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:26,280 there's going to be hardships. There's going to be trial. Which we get into. Yeah which is 61 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:32,280 like to say you know that there's not going to be that and it's all good and 62 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:41,880 it's a thing it's a big lie in a sense that it's going to be easy because 63 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,120 it's not we're not called live an easy life. Jesus you know how easy was 64 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,760 his you know his last 48 hours on earth. Oh yeah. They're pretty 65 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,840 rough. I mean the man was crucified, beaten to death and then hung across 66 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:05,240 the die. Yeah. So I mean that just in Christian is to be Christ-like and to be 67 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,840 loving and be patient and all those things. So we also get into you kind of 68 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,480 like went into all the different things that we're going to talk about and 69 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,240 actually give the verse reference to what we're talking about. Oh it's almost 70 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:24,560 like I knew a little bit something ahead of time. But no like honestly it is 71 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,680 because you know to be Christ-like is to be going through trouble. It's not 72 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,880 always going to be trouble. So I'm like I look at this hardships that happen in 73 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,360 every's life and they may look different. Some people might be blessed and you 74 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,520 know they don't really have a hardship. God has given them an easy life. I think 75 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:50,600 if one of the the elderly woman that occasionally do some work for her she's 76 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,480 like I've been very blessed financially never had any hardship never had any 77 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,600 hard loss. And I was like I think God for the easy life he has given me. And she 78 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,640 recognizes that it's not a tough not how it is and she gives thanks to God for 79 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,960 making her have an easy life. She's like I don't think I'd be able to handle it. 80 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,680 So he gives me what I can handle and gives me the power to get through. I'm 81 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,840 like awesome. Right I think there's I see woman. I think a good distinction 82 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,720 between what the prosperity gospel is of what actual gospel is is that prosperity 83 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,680 gospel preaches that God provides reward. It's kind of like a treat. You know you 84 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,880 do this you get rewarded. You do this you get rewarded. So you do do do do kind of 85 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:39,000 thing. And we can see like some of the main preachers behind prosperity gospel 86 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,200 without saying prosperity gospel like I said there's a couple different names 87 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:48,720 for prosperity gospel. What? But the main players are like Kenneth Copeland, Joel 88 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,920 Esteen, Creflo Dollar. These people preach that you do good God will give 89 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,280 you goods right. And you can see it with their multi-million dollar homes or 90 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,080 multi-million dollar boats and whatever their jets. And if you talk to them any 91 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:09,200 talk to any of them about any sort of like convictions like hey what when the 92 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Bible says this they'll shut you down because they know what they believe in 93 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,280 and they'll just keep what they're doing because it's making them money and 94 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,760 that's just the kind of sad part of it. But it's the feel good message like I'm 95 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,040 not gonna tell you anything you just do good and God will give you goods and 96 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,120 that's like the genie kind of thing going on. And yeah it's telling me if I 97 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,120 started this preaching that everything's gonna be all good I'll have a lot of money. 98 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,360 So you're telling me I'm poor because I'm giving it straight that's uh oh yeah 99 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:44,040 according to prosperity gospel you're poor because you don't do enough. Oh I 100 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,360 guess I should be doing youth groups three nights a week. Right. Yeah. 101 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Well is that enough? Right so that that comes down to like how do we spot 102 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:59,080 prosperity gospel right? Yeah. You just look for the look for the people who are 103 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:05,080 preaching you do try harder do more tithe more actionable substance you know gets 104 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:10,280 rewarded a materialistic gain kind of thing. And that's kind of how you spot it. 105 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:20,200 It's always tithe more that's I mean come on. Yeah right it's like I need I 106 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,440 need a raise gosh dang. No I'm joking. For those who are just listening in for 107 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,800 the first time Dylan is a youth pastor. And I do not do it for the money I did it I 108 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:39,800 literally did it for about six years I mean not being paid not not so the past 109 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,840 two years that I started getting paid I was like oh hey and I actually get 110 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:49,800 surprised every time I see it my bank I'm like oh that's right. I'm like that's 111 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,160 right because I'm being blessed. I don't think about it because it's the mindset 112 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,040 the serve and that's I think what the real gospel is about is having our 113 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,120 servants heart. Yeah yeah. And I think that's what you lose that with the 114 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:09,200 prosperity gospel you lose that have the heart of service of serving which is sad 115 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,520 because I it's kind of manipulating the servants heart because it's it's trying 116 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,520 to tell you that if you get a servant's heart you get rewarded so it's more like 117 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,200 a Chuck E Cheese you go play that game you're gonna get these tickets and 118 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:28,600 these tickets cash out for goodie points you know like it's stealing it's stealing 119 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,520 the gospel you know it's like John 10 10 the thief comes only to steal and kill 120 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:40,440 and destroy. I have come that they may have life and they may have you know full. 121 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Right and that is that's a good one because that's the one that like most 122 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,360 prosperity gospel preachers use is John 10 10 like that's a good point to talk 123 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:56,520 about. Have you have you ever used him? Right I mean just go a couple 124 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,600 verses back I think starts at seven when Jesus started talking because this is 125 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,840 Jesus's words right John 10 10 is Jesus words and I've heard that before in 126 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,440 prosperity preaching it's like John 10 10 Jesus himself said he's come that they 127 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,520 may have life and have it to the full right so here's here's kind of something 128 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,400 interesting with that because if you go back to seven it says Jesus says again I 129 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,280 assure you and most solemnly say to you that I am the door for the sheep that 130 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,520 leading to life right and when Jesus is talking about life anytime he talks 131 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,240 about life he's talking about the everlasting life life in Christ the 132 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,320 eternal life and you can see this in Matthew later which I'll get to is like 133 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,560 610 but but the true sheep do not hear them I am the door anyone who enters 134 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:46,240 through me will be saved and will live forever and will go in and out freely 135 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:52,400 and find pastures spiritual security and that's what pasture is in that context 136 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:57,400 of spiritual security and then it goes on to the thief comes in on only to 137 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,080 still kill and destroy but you can see that Jesus is saying come through me 138 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,520 right it's through him that we're saved and we get that life so in this verse 139 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,080 when it's talking about they may have life and have it to the full it's 140 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,520 talking about the full potential of like the eternal life that we live and I know 141 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,680 that I was talking to someone with with a prosperity background and they were 142 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:26,040 saying well no because Peter specifies eternal life and Matthew specifies 143 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:33,480 eternal life but anytime they did specify eternal life Jesus if they were 144 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,480 talking to Jesus Jesus would say it back as life and just say as life because 145 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,400 life itself is through Jesus Christ you're dead outside of Christ right so 146 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,160 the yeah that's the whole point of being reborn again is that we're alive in 147 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,720 Christ so life to him and life in his perspective the only life worth living 148 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,320 is through him with him and through eternity with him right so yeah he is 149 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,200 the way you don't get to heaven by acts alone and I think that's another thing 150 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,840 that's huge like that kind of grinds my gears with this it's it's trying to say 151 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,560 oh if you're good if you're a good Christian it's like you know that's 152 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:15,040 the same thing if you're saying I'm a good person and therefore I'll go to 153 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,960 heaven because I'm a good person right good person good good Christian good you 154 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:27,040 know I you know I I gave to the church I donated time it doesn't matter if your 155 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,360 heart's not in it I mean in a sense but it also doesn't matter if you don't have 156 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Jesus because he's the only way he is salvation he is the to the blood of 157 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Christ only way you get to heaven right and there's no shortcuts there's no easy 158 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,160 way and like it's either it's ABC's accepts believe confess yeah if you're 159 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:53,080 not doing that you're not making it in yeah sorry you're not sorry right here's 160 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,120 well here's a question for you because this is here's another verse that's 161 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:02,720 been used a lot right James 4 to I love James James my friend is that James 4 to 162 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,280 you're right so James 4 to this is another verse that prosperity gospel uses 163 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:13,480 a lot and it says you do not have because you have not asked God and they 164 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,960 they use that verse a lot just that snippet right you do not have because you 165 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,000 do not ask God and it's like well then start asking God for a boat start asking 166 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,040 God for zeros in your bank account you know God's gonna give it and all of a 167 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:34,160 sudden we got all you know God gives God it's outside of the time room outside of 168 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:41,000 what you know time so what he may be a yes or no is you know it's he might be 169 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,680 like yeah you know like you want this well okay well in God's timing not in 170 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,320 your timing people don't you know like it's in God's timing and it's in his 171 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,600 hands he knows it's best for you so you know if I say God I want me a nice big 172 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:04,360 boat and she'll be like Dylan where you gonna put the boat I'm like who's gonna 173 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:11,640 tell the boat you have a Honda you know it's it's like you know when I was able 174 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,960 to buy my big 65 inch TV mm-hmm you know and I had thought about it and I prayed 175 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:24,040 about it and I was like cool I I'm gonna get it I feel like I'm I can and I was 176 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,440 going to 55 because that's what God you know I feel like yeah I get to 55 you 177 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,160 provided that for me and I was like well it get to 65 I want more I got greedy 178 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:43,600 and I'm I'll let you know my mind be like I want this and me me me and my car 179 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,440 does not fit that it did not fit in your car I bet I remember that phone call 180 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:56,880 yeah I'm like Jason you still here like no I'm gone like oh I got the TV you're 181 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:03,320 like oh cool and I'm like it isn't fit doesn't fit this isn't fit and you know 182 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:09,040 that's like the same thing if we don't this and and we try to do our thing we 183 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,000 don't fit in God's plan it's not gonna work and we'll have to rely on other 184 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,160 people to help us and God to help us like I had a calling a Benji one of 185 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,680 my good buddies and be like hey I know you have a truck I know you're probably 186 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:29,800 right next to the church so can you come help me and he was there and yeah I was 187 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:35,480 going with that story now no I get you because it comes back down to the way to talk 188 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,680 about this and really easily because the Bible talks about it a lot is what do we 189 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,280 pray if if we do not ask when it says you do not have because you don't ask God 190 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,320 well then God when we talk to him that's praying right so what are we told how to 191 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:56,520 pray what are we supposed to pray how does prayer look like right and and 192 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:02,200 consistently prayer is part of prayer is his kingdom come his will be done right 193 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,920 and you mentioned it earlier which was Luke 22 42 without you realizing it or 194 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,280 maybe you did but when Jesus was in the garden of Gethsemane and he was praying 195 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,600 to God before the crucifixion right knowing what was coming he said God 196 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:22,360 father if you're willing remove this cup of divine wrath for me right he was 197 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:25,360 saying cut please take this from me I don't want to do it I don't want to be a 198 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:32,000 part of it but right after that very instantly he said yet not my will but 199 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,480 always yours be done here well because I could tell God oh I want please God I 200 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:43,400 need a bigger house but your will be done over mine right but it's like 201 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,080 that's the way to pray right Matthew 6 10 when he's saying this is how you 202 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,080 should pray it's your kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven 203 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:59,920 right Proverbs 19 21 many plans are are in a man's mind right but it is the 204 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Lord's purpose for him that will stand and be carried out because in the end 205 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,520 it's not my will that's the whole point we are dead to our flesh and our desires 206 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,000 and we say your will be done because God knows what's best and he knows what's 207 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,520 going to be good for us does this mean that our life is gonna be easy no we 208 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:26,320 talked about this a little bit right yeah well it's like you know I think you 209 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,180 know for how many years I've been praying you know I'm trained for a lot 210 00:18:31,180 --> 00:18:36,400 of things I prayed for you know healing to my father and stuff like that and I 211 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,920 mean and God's been right on that right you know and he's done that he's 212 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,240 protected and kept him safe from the cancer and stuff that's been you know 213 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,880 you know where his body and that's you know still here and then you know there's 214 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,120 other things to be praying for like and praying thank God put a woman a good 215 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,480 woman into my life and he's done that it's taken him seven years but it's in 216 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,800 his time right because he's got me in a spot now where you know that's right 217 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,760 you were I'm I am actually able to maybe you know be able to handle that and be 218 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:16,240 spiritually a leader for you know both of us right which is you know I'm like 219 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,600 and I was thinking you know I'm like oh dang and like you know not to say there's 220 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,360 just me that had work but I won't say it was her because I don't know she's 221 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:30,520 listened to this but you know but we're all worse than Christ and sometimes we 222 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:36,400 know it's just it's sometimes we're not ready right as God is still working on 223 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,840 us for certain things and sometimes we're not in the right spot we're not in 224 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,640 the right place you know right like maybe you know I will get a book I pray 225 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,960 for a boat and you know when I have a house and have it you know you know the 226 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:58,760 actual means for about right to have a random boat if he wants you know to give 227 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:05,880 me once I can sell it that'd be cool too like I'm like next week next week on the 228 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,960 podcast yeah guys so that boat right I don't know why but you know right we 229 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,120 know we know that basically the prosperity gospel pushes that Jesus and 230 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:22,800 praying to God is a genie right that he it plays the trumpet of he cares for us 231 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:29,480 so he's gonna give us stuff and which is I mean materialistic that there we're 232 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,600 gonna get into like what the Bible says about it right but that yeah it 233 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,800 definitely feels sort of childish I mean not to be in a mean way but it's like 234 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:47,160 yeah oh well you know I want this and God's gonna give me this and almost like 235 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:53,160 a child to run a tantrum you know like our kid our teacher I like I want the 236 00:20:53,160 --> 00:21:01,520 new iPhone I want the new this I want a PS5 God why won't you give me one you 237 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:08,320 know and that's the same God's like do you need that wasn't um wasn't that 238 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,520 the devil who tempted Jesus with bread and food and stuff like that and yeah oh 239 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,920 yeah and the stuff that was like you want this right I would have been tempted I 240 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,800 would have I would have failed I've been like was that fresh bread right so it's 241 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:29,160 like so who who who was there like was Jesus saying oh man I'm just gonna 242 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240 supply myself with everything I ever need did Jesus live in a mansion wait 243 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,240 did Jesus have like the the best of the best horses did he had the biggest carts 244 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:44,520 did he have like the best clothes and linens like no no he had a he had a 245 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,600 donkey yeah and he rode in on a donkey that was it and people were like you're 246 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,600 crazy you're riding a donkey what's wrong with you but um so yeah that's the 247 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,320 message the message of the prosperity gospel is pretty clear it's really easy 248 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,880 to fall into it because it's like God is good and everything good comes from God 249 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,760 this is accurate but why is this message dangerous well because it teaches about 250 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,920 doing something right you got to do something you get rewarded do this get a 251 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:19,280 treat do this get a treat so what does the Bible say so like Romans 10 8 8 the 252 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,520 three it's kind of near your territory you're you're pretty familiar with 253 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:31,440 Romans a lot of times Romans that's a good book so Romans 10 8 is a good book 254 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Romans 10 8 but that'd be the book 8 8 Romans 10 8 10 8 to 13 yeah but what 255 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,840 does it say the word near is near you and your mouth and in your heart and it 256 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,600 is the word of faith which we preach because if you acknowledge and confess 257 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,640 it with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord his power and authority and have 258 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,960 met oh my gosh and I just see as God and believe in your heart that God raised 259 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,760 him from the dead you will be saved for the heart of a person believes in the 260 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,040 justification and will the mouth of acknowledge why you get you always do 261 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,720 that gotta do your amplified versions and stuff just give me the nice you know 262 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:23,880 King James or NIV someone I can read it's not to be acknowledged confess for 263 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,000 the scripture says whoever believes in him will not disappoint for there is no 264 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:35,320 distinction between Jew and Gentile who there's no distinction between Jew and 265 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:42,120 Gentile mm-hmm for the same Lord is Lord over all and he abounding in riches for 266 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:47,080 all who call him or whoever calls my on the name the Lord will be saved I 267 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:53,240 butchered that but you know it's okay so I think we got the jake right so when 268 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,320 it's talking about riches it's talking about blessings and blessings of the 269 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,920 Spirit is most most important in the situation and we'll come back to that 270 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:06,200 too Matthew 11 28 kind of touches up on this as well because what is our role in 271 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,080 this what do we do what's our point then if we it's not to go out and do good to 272 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,720 get rewarded what do we do so Matthew 11 28 says come to me all labor and are 273 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,920 heavy laden and I'll give you rest right so he gives us that rest that peace of 274 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:30,720 mind and stuff right no yeah yeah so hmm again you kind of read that one with 275 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Romans that 10 8 to 13 I wanted that I wanted to bring up a verse because you 276 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:45,680 talked about it earlier you did say it was a Ephesians 2 8 through 11 oh it's 277 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,840 yeah yeah yeah you referenced it because it says for it is by grace God's 278 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,280 remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ that you have been saved 279 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,600 actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life through faith and 280 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:05,440 this salvation is not of yourselves not through your own effort but it is the 281 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:11,920 undeserved or gracious gift of God right and not as a result of your works nor 282 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,760 your attempts to keep the law so that no one will be able to boast or take credit 283 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,040 in any way for his salvation for we are his workmanship his own masterwork a 284 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,520 work of art created in Christ Jesus reborn from above spiritually 285 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,760 transformed renewed ready to be used for good works which God prepared for us 286 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,600 beforehand taking paths which you set so that we would walk in them living the 287 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:44,280 good life which he pre-arranged and made ready for us so this is if you kind of 288 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,000 see the overview right what is this good life what is like because it does talk 289 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,000 about good life and it does talk about like he'll give us riches which is his 290 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,680 blessings and blessings in spirit so what does this stuff look like because 291 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,040 now we're looking into a little bit more and the Bible because God does want 292 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,040 what's best for us but it's not the way that we want what's best for us right 293 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:17,320 it's not our will again tis yeah so will we be rich or what because now this 294 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,640 Bible verse is making me think that he does care for me because he does right 295 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:29,560 he wants what's best for us so like for example what 2nd Timothy 3 10 to 12 do 296 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,320 you have that one handy I'm pretty sure that's the verses they could say now 297 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:41,360 now you have diligently followed my team can guard purpose faith patience love 298 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:50,160 steadfast first yeah precision and persecutions persecutions yeah this has 299 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:58,320 happened to me and see that purchase your discussions I endured but the Lord 300 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:04,600 has to me some of them all indeed all who diligently and for soon righteousness 301 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,120 are determined to live Godly life exercise will be hunted and first you 302 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:15,640 know let's do that that's awesome I can't wait for that all right so it's 303 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,840 interesting because you have him talking here and it's like we delight in 304 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:27,480 pursuing righteousness right and we're with in Christ and living godly lives we 305 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:34,040 will be hunted and persecuted because of faith and that's something that we're 306 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,920 told that's gonna happen right John 15 18 through 19 the world hates you and it 307 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,360 does know that it has hated me crisis talking at this point before it hated 308 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:51,360 you if you belong to the world the world would love you you as its own and would 309 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,840 treat you with affection but you are not of this world you are no longer belonging 310 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,000 to it and I have chosen you out of the world because of this the world hates you 311 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:08,960 and it's interesting because when you look at what salvation is is that we're 312 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,640 adopted into the kingdom of heaven through through faith and acknowledging 313 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:20,600 who God it sent which is his son Jesus that died for us and he's our salvation 314 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:28,760 right so acknowledging him is what makes us different is that we're saved there 315 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,400 there's going to be tests on tests on tests you can even read first Peter 4 12 316 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:40,280 through 14 it talks about those going to be lots of places to test you the test 317 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,640 the quality of your faith there's going to be consistent things that will test 318 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:51,200 the quality of our faith and verse 14 of first Peter 4 it says if you're insulted 319 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,680 and reviled for burying the name of Christ you are blessed happy with life 320 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,120 joy and comfort and God's salvation regardless of your circumstances key 321 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,320 right there because the spirit of glory and of God is resting on you and 322 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:11,920 dwelling you he whom the curse whom he whom they curse you glorify right so 323 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,200 when it says this it says comfort in God's salvation regardless of your 324 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,320 circumstances when you have a really bad day and things just kind of collapsing 325 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,440 on you or if you're having a really bad circumstances stuffs piling up are you 326 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,440 at peace in that moment 327 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840 what do you think 328 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,800 well it's not a question it's like do you feel that peace or are you so focused 329 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:53,200 on what's coming that you're just like a like you're so focused on what is 330 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,640 happening now that you overstep that whole thing of God saying that he's 331 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,440 going to give you peace and you're just like I need to take care of this right 332 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,760 and then it comes back to are you doing what you want to do in your will or are 333 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:14,280 you doing what like my will be done or his will be done right comes back around 334 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280 what do you think 335 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 yeah 336 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,440 I'm just gonna go like then it's all say again 337 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,640 hmm well it's a good point because I think it is I think we get to a place to 338 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,640 where of complete complains see where we're okay like we're okay thinking that 339 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,520 we can't rely on God's peace or God's love or the spirit right because we're 340 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,520 gifted the spirit when we accept Christ it says that we're blessed in spirit and 341 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:58,760 it even said right there in that verse that because of God is though because of 342 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640 the spirit of glory and of God is resting on you right the Holy Spirit 343 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,920 resting on you with God the presence of God presence of God is it's a Holy 344 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:15,640 Spirit so what does so why is that important well what is the spirit what 345 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,480 what do what can we expect in our life what is this blessing what is the stuff 346 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,520 what is the good part of being a Christian what is the Holy Spirit 347 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,600 because the gift is the spirit so what is this gift you and me were talking 348 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:36,560 about this before we got on this call the first of the spirit yes because the 349 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:44,840 fruit of the spirit is because it says it's in Galatians 5 actually if you read 350 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,880 I recommend reading 16 all the way to 26 because it's a whole section there that's 351 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,840 talking about the keep keeping in step with the spirit because the spirit of 352 00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:01,280 God is rested upon you as a reborn person under Christ and the Holy Spirit 353 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:07,840 helps you right it's it's the gift that's the whole point of it and we know 354 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,840 the gift because we could see the fruits which I'm sure a lot of people heard the 355 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880 fruits of the spirit fruits are just talking about what comes of that 356 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,720 interaction right so the fruit of the spirit to know that it is there and that 357 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,440 is present in someone you look for that love you look for joy peace patience 358 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,080 kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control all those 359 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,360 things are fruits of the spirit if you see someone that says I'm Christian and 360 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,240 those things are what they reflect to people and what they show to people then 361 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,120 yeah they are of Christ because they have the presence of God with them and 362 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,760 that's how you can tell and even in this and I know the point is that we're not 363 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,120 perfect because it's not us that gives us fruits it's it's the spirit himself 364 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,520 that gives us fruit you need to step aside and let him guide you through this 365 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,520 right we like to do the my way or the highway when it's God saying well you 366 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:15,840 can take the highway then because it's my way or the highway you know so verse 367 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,280 16 do you remember what that was saying I don't know if you remember or not but 368 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,360 my deletions yeah once again we have a bot in our discord where you can type in a 369 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,360 Bible verse where the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit and the spirit 370 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,840 what is what is contrary to the flesh they are in conflict with each other so 371 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:43,960 that you are not to do whatever you want right if you use more elaborated 372 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,920 scripture that goes into it a little bit more you it's really easy to see what 373 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,320 the definition is more so because if you go to 16 let's say the amplified I know 374 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,720 you like go back and forth between it but amplify says but I'll say walk 375 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,200 habitually in the Holy Spirit seek him to and be responsive to his guidance 376 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,440 like I just said right that's our goal and then you will certainly not carry 377 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,960 out the desire of the sinful nature which responds impulsively without regard 378 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,160 for God and his precepts for the sin nature has its desire which is opposed to 379 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,520 the spirit and the desire of the spirit opposed to the sinful nature so for 380 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,200 these two the simple nature and the spirit are in direct opposition to each 381 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:39,240 other continually and conflict so that you as believers do not always do 382 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:45,200 whatever things you want to do but you are guided and led by the spirit and 383 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,680 you're not subject to the law now this is interesting because it gets the point 384 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,320 of like is you serve one or the other there's two things here simple nature 385 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:02,120 and the Holy Spirit's nature which one are you serving right what do you take 386 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:12,200 out of that since everyone mastered and I think that I think it's pretty clear 387 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,000 like you know either you know it's the battle constant battle like it says with 388 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:24,280 your flesh I just think about that mm-hmm yeah I it's a constant battle I 389 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,720 think 20 I think 24 actually touches up on what you just said just now oh yeah 390 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:36,320 what's this like uh should let me go back to it yeah verse 24 and those who 391 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,800 belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature together with its 392 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,080 passions and appetites so it's like it's one of the other you can't serve both 393 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:56,360 cancer two masters mm-hmm yeah man right 25 says if we claim to live by the Holy 394 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,320 Spirit we must also walk by the Holy Spirit which personally put with 395 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,600 personal integrity godly character and moral courage our conduct empowered by 396 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,680 the Holy Spirit we must not become conceited challenging or provoking one 397 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,200 another and being one another none of that 398 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:32,880 yep yep I agree yeah it's not an easy it I'll say it is an easy road and it's 399 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,280 not an easy road because there's so much stuff to this world and so much like 400 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,680 things around you shoot like there's movies there which are great there's a 401 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,000 lot of really cool movies there's a lot of really fun games but then there's a 402 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400 lot of stuff that just like feeds you all this stuff like it's okay to be 403 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,400 angry it's okay to be like envious it's okay to you know start conflict it's 404 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,480 okay to be conceited it's okay to challenge everything or be challenging 405 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,960 towards someone if you use the look up the word challenging it's more along the 406 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,240 lines of like let's say Dylan we're out in public or something and you're you're 407 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:16,360 like oh well I believe this and I'm like well you're wrong for one because you're 408 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,400 not educated on the subject and this is what's right that's provoking and 409 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,760 challenging in that same sense that's kind of what it's like don't do that 410 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,480 it's you're not out you're not there to that's not how you get the message 411 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,760 across if you said something I'd come up to you and be like hey why do you 412 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,240 believe what you believe and then I'll just start talking with you and then 413 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,560 I'll have questions for you okay well if you believe that what do you think of 414 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,280 this because I'm not trying to like tell you you're wrong deal with it I'm trying 415 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,720 to discuss with you because I want to see where you're you're coming from 416 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:57,360 because you're a human being like I am your God's creation like I am but I want 417 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,120 to see where you're coming from so we can discuss because who knows what I 418 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,360 have to give you through the through Christ himself through the Holy Spirit 419 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,440 might help you out that's the goal is to show you what's available to you that 420 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,680 doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to sit there be like oh that's wrong oh 421 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,960 that's so wrong I hate that whatever that's not how we do things as if you're 422 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,560 a follower of Christ that's not how you do things and you have to rethink your 423 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,480 you have to rethink how you're doing things if that's how you do things you 424 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,880 have to readjust make some adjustments here and there yeah love to hear your 425 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:42,240 input oh it goes back to like what Grace can is love I know you know my neighbor 426 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:49,800 and we're all you know we're all here together we're all we all need to be 427 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,920 loving toward each other like we said when we began it's okay to have 428 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,760 disagreements and discord with you know with one another but we also have to be 429 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,240 understanding of one another like you don't need to go out of your way to 430 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:12,480 start conflict I do believe you should stand up for what you believe but you 431 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,320 shouldn't go out of your way to start ponds with one you know other people 432 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:25,760 right I think there's there's a lot of I'm trying not to get off topic at the 433 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,200 same time in in the idea of prosperity gospel I think a lot of people have 434 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,480 fallen for the idea that they're chosen or they're put above that they are 435 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,760 better then and you see it a lot in media when they're like oh Christians 436 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,320 are doing blank and then you see it and then those Christians are like it has 437 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,480 like that arrogance like it's kind of like a distaste in your mouth like it's 438 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,280 just like that's not that's not good they might be using verses or they might 439 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,560 be using like actual teachings of Christ in a way like just trying to use to get 440 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:07,200 their point across and and they're just like no this is blah blah blah and 441 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,720 they're angry they're saying people are blind you're you don't know what you're 442 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,360 doing you're going to hell and it's like gross they're like yeah if something 443 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,320 inside me whether it's a spirit or not it's just something inside me just goes 444 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:30,480 if that's a gross taste like it's a it's just comforting right it's yeah I don't 445 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,120 know it you see it a lot and it's just like that's not I call Galatians 5 the 446 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,160 Christian test because you can go up to any see how they act with people and if 447 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,840 it's not on that list of what the fruits of the spirit are then the spirits not 448 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,080 there it's one of the other you have the spirit or you don't it's not oh the 449 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,040 spirits here today because I'm not sinning it's like we fall short of the 450 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,640 glory of God yes and we have already but is there to guide you from here on out 451 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,480 and make sure that you are interacting with others that means you die to your 452 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,160 wants and desires because you know he knows what's out of your flesh right 453 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:16,480 that's why it's rebirth reborn we're renewed in Christ we this math what was 454 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,800 it again the Matthew 6 no not Matthew 6 Matthew 11 28 it's like come to me all 455 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640 who labor and have you laid and I'll give you rest is because we go to him 456 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,560 stuff gets hard you go to him stuff is good you go to him because he is like 457 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,960 that's the point of it is that he's the pedestal of your life everything around 458 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,040 you he's the highest thing off up that you are most focused on that your most 459 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,000 paid attention to that you most listen to that you pray to that you interact 460 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,120 with the most and that's important because a lot of times you see these 461 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,280 Christians on TV who say oh I'm Christian and then they start talking 462 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,600 about stuff that just is the self-righteousness the feel-good well 463 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,400 this makes me feel like I'm in the right so it has to be right right I mean I 464 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,760 could be wrong yeah that's what I'm seeing no I I'm yeah I'm just I'm in 465 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:19,360 agreement with you 100% yeah it's it's good stuff it's just prosperity gospel 466 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:25,040 is dangerous because it teaches that you are not good enough if you'd not rich 467 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:31,040 materialistic things do not matter sure you can say I need money to survive 468 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,280 great because God will provide enough for you to get by and that's the thing 469 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,560 is that he's a provider yes but he doesn't promise you the moon he he says 470 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,080 I'm gonna make sure that you prove you provided and that you do the works of 471 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:51,960 Christ follow me walk with me you know pray with me delve deep with in the word 472 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,400 that get closer to him we see it with like the disciples first off remember 473 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:03,360 the disciples where did he say hey you want a big fancy boat you fishermen like 474 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,600 do you want to get a mansion or what do you say stop what you're doing quit your 475 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,840 job come pick up your cross and follow me kind of thing right yeah can you 476 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,720 imagine nowadays let's say you're at work and God Jesus himself comes up to 477 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,960 you and this guy right and this time frame you're just you're just fishing 478 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,040 you're doing your job guy comes up says hey 479 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,160 cast on the other side and all of a sudden a miracle happens wow that worked 480 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,720 who is this guy and he says drop what you're doing and follow me all of a 481 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,960 sudden you're like quit my job quit everything I'm doing and follow this guy 482 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,720 who just showed me a miracle would you do it 483 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:52,000 well I mean not now because Jesus you know right in that in that aspect though 484 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:58,320 but you know I don't know honestly don't know I like to think that I would part 485 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,960 me I think I'd be like I don't know you know I you know like Chuckie Finster 486 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:15,840 for in Rugrats I I'm not sure guys I'm not sure yeah that so yeah exactly it's 487 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,160 it's hard to say if you would back then there wasn't any sort of like extra 488 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,920 entertainment so maybe you're just like sitting there like I could always pick 489 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,240 up fishing again maybe there was that security nowadays if God himself came 490 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:37,320 down in flesh and was like drop what you're doing and follow me it that is 491 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,840 kind of the point I think a lot of things happen when Jesus was talking in 492 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,240 parables was like you know you had the good Samaritan parable you had like the 493 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,600 whole thing where he was talking about it's easier for you know someone who 494 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,080 doesn't have anything to go to get into heaven than it is for a rich man to go 495 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,160 through the eye of needle or whatever and that said that same concept that's 496 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600 like if you have things you're comfortable with your life things around 497 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:09,600 you you're comfortable and you like what you have it's but it's nothing the house 498 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,720 I have is nothing the car I has are they they're nothing like my job is nothing 499 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:21,400 because the true focus is Christ life is short and it's not about doing to get 500 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,000 more materialistic things because materials listic things are not coming 501 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:32,840 with you afterwards they're done they're part of this world are gone right what 502 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,440 so why why would why would be the whole message of the prosperity gospel be 503 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:46,120 collect as much of this junk as you can because God's gonna give you junk like it 504 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,880 doesn't make sense when you get to the really roots and core of what the 505 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,840 prosperity gospel is is that God will give you junk so that you're happy 506 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:02,280 temporarily and it's anytime Jesus is talking about like life in general he's 507 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,000 talking long-term everlasting life I'm I'll get you like I'm the way the truth 508 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,160 in life it's the whole thing of like through him we live on after like that's 509 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,040 the whole point which obviously will do maybe we'll do a heaven topic one of 510 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,800 these times too so I'd like to hear more of your thoughts though I know I could 511 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,280 talk I can ramble a lot I love I love God I love the Bible I'm pretty much in 512 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:36,160 agreement with you so there's not much for me to say which is a rarity but um 513 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:50,040 not pretty much on the same page here yeah I think I think just to touch up on 514 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,920 one last thing that we see prosperity gospel promote self-righteousness do 515 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:05,560 what's righteous right Romans 322 the very first sentence in that verse is the 516 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:11,560 righteousness of God which is true righteousness comes through faith in 517 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:18,800 Jesus Christ for all those Jew and or Gentile who believe and trust in him and 518 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,840 acknowledge him as God's son just right off the bat you see this being said and 519 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:31,080 it's like we like to pretend that being righteous is is the way to go and that 520 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:38,640 it's but that's self-righteousness true godly righteousness comes through the 521 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,520 faith in Jesus Christ for anybody who believe in trust in him acknowledge that 522 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,600 Jesus is God's son because we are gifted the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit 523 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:58,400 guides us and those things that we're called to be right towards others yeah 524 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:12,280 saying yeah I just sit here like in the in the spirit right man so it's it's 525 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:18,000 God is good God wants what's best for us and what's best for us is not always 526 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,440 materialistic stuff because can you can you imagine if God's like oh yeah here's 527 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,720 an example it gots like okay I'll make you a millionaire do you think you'll 528 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:34,760 need him like you'll you probably wouldn't think you need him because you 529 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,800 have like millions of dollars at that point you're just like I don't need 530 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:46,040 anything so why would I need God that's like what I was saying you know like 531 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:54,360 make a people there more you know poverty mm-hmm a they have some pretty gnarly 532 00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:04,840 like gnarly you know encounters with God because it's what they have yep and 533 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,120 that's true yeah that's something that we don't have right here in the states 534 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:16,640 you know how that issue is much we don't have it visibly as much like I mean 535 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,480 majority of us are yeah I know what you're talking yeah which we could talk 536 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:32,560 about that another time yeah you know like yeah it's true though it makes you 537 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:45,920 realize we are truly truly blessed yes I agree it's I'm smiling boggling 538 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:55,400 hi I'm with you on that I agree it really is um yeah basically this kind of 539 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:01,240 recap prosperity gospel we just talked about it and be careful out there just 540 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:06,040 know the word I think really we're getting me close to end time stuff 541 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,800 there's a lot of stuff happening right now and it's a good time to get into the 542 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:18,720 word because the word is God where does Jesus Christ God if we really get into 543 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:28,400 it but yeah the word is we need to get like do a podcast that's on the Bible 544 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:37,000 scripture and stuff like that that'd be great be fantastic cool yeah yeah Josh 545 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,320 yeah I'm sorry I'm like little little dose of the goes a little out of it now 546 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,640 well the good news is is that I think we're pretty good for this episode I'm 547 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,560 glad we were able to do another episode and we're gonna get a little bit more 548 00:50:52,560 --> 00:51:00,800 organized as we go so that'll be good yeah and if you're listening in this 549 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,440 episode is Lily uploaded today and recorded today as of the date that this 550 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:13,120 has been uploaded so yeah anyways I think we're good to call it good you're 551 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,680 good we're good yeah we're good cool awesome then I'm gonna say that we're 552 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,120 gonna end the podcast here I thank everybody for listening in if you 553 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:29,840 haven't already join our discord if you need help finding it I mean honestly I 554 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,320 think I have it saved to our links here if you go to RSS calm you can search 555 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:40,600 gospel truth project and it will be there the all the links are there then 556 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,720 we're more than happy to have you in there and we can chat if you have 557 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:55,520 questions reach out we're here right yeah all right all right everybody God 558 00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:06,720 bless everyone and wait glad the what's the word I was gonna say shoot hope to 559 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:15,080 see you on the next podcast next week see you then