Welcome to the Gospel Truth Project podcast. This week I got Dylan here with
me. Hey guys. It's another week that you're here and I'm so excited for you
to be here again. Glad to be here as always, you know, just talking about the
gospel. Awesome and as you guys have seen because you clicked on the title, this
one is prosperity gospel. What is it? So we're actually going to discuss a
little bit about prosperity gospel. What it is, who are the main people
behind it, what's out of spot, it what are some verses they use, what do those
verses really mean, why is this message dangerous, and what does the Bible say
about it. So I think this is an important topic because I've definitely had people
come up to me and talk about this topic at me like I was the the uneducated one
biblically because I didn't know what I was talking about. I don't know about you
if you've seen the prosperity gospel. I you know here and there but you know I
mean what knowledge do you have? You're only a pastor's kid. Nothing big, nothing too
insane. But no, a hundred percent. There is definitely, definitely a lot, a lot of
things that the prosperity gospel you know there's issues with it but there's
issues with everything but it's gonna be interesting to dive into this. Some
people might disagree with us. If you do, that's okay.
Everyone can have their disagreements. Just keep it civil and yeah if you want to
comment, talk about that, just hop in the discord. We'll be posting that link to
that too as well. If you don't, if you're watching this or listening to this on
something separate in the discord. But yeah we're diving into that now. Jason's gonna
get into it. Well here we go. Yeah I think I think we encourage people if
you if you disagree or if you have questions or if you believe something
differently, we encourage people to go into the discord and talk with us
because we'd love to talk because one of the things I think a lot of our culture
nowadays is that if you know something to be true to you and you think that
that's truth, that anybody that says otherwise is wrong and to shut them down
any way you can rather than discussing. And I think it's more healthy to
discussing so you can strengthen your beliefs or you can see that you were in
the wrong because correction can't happen without questioning. So this is
kind of where this comes from. And I am always right. Yeah, no. You're always the wrong way.
You're the highway. That's not the way to live for Christ. Right. I'm you know
I get hot-headed so I can't say that I've not been there but we're
understanding. Jason's the cool calm-headed one so he can deal with you
guys and I can try to you know be slow to anger and have some peace in the spirit.
Yeah I love discussing stuff. Like I think I ended up talking to a friend of
mine. He's not Christian and he's very very set on. He's very pro-evolution and
pro-we're here by accident and there's no purpose of life and he has a lot of
different beliefs than I do. And we sat down and got on a phone call and
talked for hours without criticizing, without yelling, without calling each
other names or saying well you're blah whatever. It was very common collective.
We had a really good discussion and I love that stuff. I'm more than happy to
sit down and talk. That was very quiet whatever you just said. I always I said I
guess you had your coffee beforehand then. Oh man that's like every day. So
yeah so let's get into this. Prosperity or gospel? The first thing I want to ask
is what is it? I've had this question a lot because there's a lot of I've been
seeing a little bit more buzz about it. Like oh prosperity gospel and then
people saying what is this? What does that mean? I would say the simplest way
to put it is that the prosperity gospel goes by many names. Like you could see it
nowadays. It's like word of faith, health and wealth, name it and claim it. Most
people know it by that. This different gospel teaches you know that God
provides rewards including personal happiness, financial wealth, physical
wealth, for believers who have sufficient faith. Prosperity theology
developed in America in the last century and has been called a baptized form of
capitalism. What are your takes on this? Is this something that you've seen? I've seen it.
You know I think it's a lot where you get well if bad things happen then you
know what how is there God if the bad things happen? It's like no because it's
not always gonna be sunshine and rainbows and unicorns. God even said you
know God himself Jesus like he said that it's not going to always be easy that
there's going to be hardships. There's going to be trial. Which we get into. Yeah which is
like to say you know that there's not going to be that and it's all good and
it's a thing it's a big lie in a sense that it's going to be easy because
it's not we're not called live an easy life. Jesus you know how easy was
his you know his last 48 hours on earth. Oh yeah. They're pretty
rough. I mean the man was crucified, beaten to death and then hung across
the die. Yeah. So I mean that just in Christian is to be Christ-like and to be
loving and be patient and all those things. So we also get into you kind of
like went into all the different things that we're going to talk about and
actually give the verse reference to what we're talking about. Oh it's almost
like I knew a little bit something ahead of time. But no like honestly it is
because you know to be Christ-like is to be going through trouble. It's not
always going to be trouble. So I'm like I look at this hardships that happen in
every's life and they may look different. Some people might be blessed and you
know they don't really have a hardship. God has given them an easy life. I think
if one of the the elderly woman that occasionally do some work for her she's
like I've been very blessed financially never had any hardship never had any
hard loss. And I was like I think God for the easy life he has given me. And she
recognizes that it's not a tough not how it is and she gives thanks to God for
making her have an easy life. She's like I don't think I'd be able to handle it.
So he gives me what I can handle and gives me the power to get through. I'm
like awesome. Right I think there's I see woman. I think a good distinction
between what the prosperity gospel is of what actual gospel is is that prosperity
gospel preaches that God provides reward. It's kind of like a treat. You know you
do this you get rewarded. You do this you get rewarded. So you do do do do kind of
thing. And we can see like some of the main preachers behind prosperity gospel
without saying prosperity gospel like I said there's a couple different names
for prosperity gospel. What? But the main players are like Kenneth Copeland, Joel
Esteen, Creflo Dollar. These people preach that you do good God will give
you goods right. And you can see it with their multi-million dollar homes or
multi-million dollar boats and whatever their jets. And if you talk to them any
talk to any of them about any sort of like convictions like hey what when the
Bible says this they'll shut you down because they know what they believe in
and they'll just keep what they're doing because it's making them money and
that's just the kind of sad part of it. But it's the feel good message like I'm
not gonna tell you anything you just do good and God will give you goods and
that's like the genie kind of thing going on. And yeah it's telling me if I
started this preaching that everything's gonna be all good I'll have a lot of money.
So you're telling me I'm poor because I'm giving it straight that's uh oh yeah
according to prosperity gospel you're poor because you don't do enough. Oh I
guess I should be doing youth groups three nights a week. Right. Yeah.
Well is that enough? Right so that that comes down to like how do we spot
prosperity gospel right? Yeah. You just look for the look for the people who are
preaching you do try harder do more tithe more actionable substance you know gets
rewarded a materialistic gain kind of thing. And that's kind of how you spot it.
It's always tithe more that's I mean come on. Yeah right it's like I need I
need a raise gosh dang. No I'm joking. For those who are just listening in for
the first time Dylan is a youth pastor. And I do not do it for the money I did it I
literally did it for about six years I mean not being paid not not so the past
two years that I started getting paid I was like oh hey and I actually get
surprised every time I see it my bank I'm like oh that's right. I'm like that's
right because I'm being blessed. I don't think about it because it's the mindset
the serve and that's I think what the real gospel is about is having our
servants heart. Yeah yeah. And I think that's what you lose that with the
prosperity gospel you lose that have the heart of service of serving which is sad
because I it's kind of manipulating the servants heart because it's it's trying
to tell you that if you get a servant's heart you get rewarded so it's more like
a Chuck E Cheese you go play that game you're gonna get these tickets and
these tickets cash out for goodie points you know like it's stealing it's stealing
the gospel you know it's like John 10 10 the thief comes only to steal and kill
and destroy. I have come that they may have life and they may have you know full.
Right and that is that's a good one because that's the one that like most
prosperity gospel preachers use is John 10 10 like that's a good point to talk
about. Have you have you ever used him? Right I mean just go a couple
verses back I think starts at seven when Jesus started talking because this is
Jesus's words right John 10 10 is Jesus words and I've heard that before in
prosperity preaching it's like John 10 10 Jesus himself said he's come that they
may have life and have it to the full right so here's here's kind of something
interesting with that because if you go back to seven it says Jesus says again I
assure you and most solemnly say to you that I am the door for the sheep that
leading to life right and when Jesus is talking about life anytime he talks
about life he's talking about the everlasting life life in Christ the
eternal life and you can see this in Matthew later which I'll get to is like
610 but but the true sheep do not hear them I am the door anyone who enters
through me will be saved and will live forever and will go in and out freely
and find pastures spiritual security and that's what pasture is in that context
of spiritual security and then it goes on to the thief comes in on only to
still kill and destroy but you can see that Jesus is saying come through me
right it's through him that we're saved and we get that life so in this verse
when it's talking about they may have life and have it to the full it's
talking about the full potential of like the eternal life that we live and I know
that I was talking to someone with with a prosperity background and they were
saying well no because Peter specifies eternal life and Matthew specifies
eternal life but anytime they did specify eternal life Jesus if they were
talking to Jesus Jesus would say it back as life and just say as life because
life itself is through Jesus Christ you're dead outside of Christ right so
the yeah that's the whole point of being reborn again is that we're alive in
Christ so life to him and life in his perspective the only life worth living
is through him with him and through eternity with him right so yeah he is
the way you don't get to heaven by acts alone and I think that's another thing
that's huge like that kind of grinds my gears with this it's it's trying to say
oh if you're good if you're a good Christian it's like you know that's
the same thing if you're saying I'm a good person and therefore I'll go to
heaven because I'm a good person right good person good good Christian good you
know I you know I I gave to the church I donated time it doesn't matter if your
heart's not in it I mean in a sense but it also doesn't matter if you don't have
Jesus because he's the only way he is salvation he is the to the blood of
Christ only way you get to heaven right and there's no shortcuts there's no easy
way and like it's either it's ABC's accepts believe confess yeah if you're
not doing that you're not making it in yeah sorry you're not sorry right here's
well here's a question for you because this is here's another verse that's
been used a lot right James 4 to I love James James my friend is that James 4 to
you're right so James 4 to this is another verse that prosperity gospel uses
a lot and it says you do not have because you have not asked God and they
they use that verse a lot just that snippet right you do not have because you
do not ask God and it's like well then start asking God for a boat start asking
God for zeros in your bank account you know God's gonna give it and all of a
sudden we got all you know God gives God it's outside of the time room outside of
what you know time so what he may be a yes or no is you know it's he might be
like yeah you know like you want this well okay well in God's timing not in
your timing people don't you know like it's in God's timing and it's in his
hands he knows it's best for you so you know if I say God I want me a nice big
boat and she'll be like Dylan where you gonna put the boat I'm like who's gonna
tell the boat you have a Honda you know it's it's like you know when I was able
to buy my big 65 inch TV mm-hmm you know and I had thought about it and I prayed
about it and I was like cool I I'm gonna get it I feel like I'm I can and I was
going to 55 because that's what God you know I feel like yeah I get to 55 you
provided that for me and I was like well it get to 65 I want more I got greedy
and I'm I'll let you know my mind be like I want this and me me me and my car
does not fit that it did not fit in your car I bet I remember that phone call
yeah I'm like Jason you still here like no I'm gone like oh I got the TV you're
like oh cool and I'm like it isn't fit doesn't fit this isn't fit and you know
that's like the same thing if we don't this and and we try to do our thing we
don't fit in God's plan it's not gonna work and we'll have to rely on other
people to help us and God to help us like I had a calling a Benji one of
my good buddies and be like hey I know you have a truck I know you're probably
right next to the church so can you come help me and he was there and yeah I was
going with that story now no I get you because it comes back down to the way to talk
about this and really easily because the Bible talks about it a lot is what do we
pray if if we do not ask when it says you do not have because you don't ask God
well then God when we talk to him that's praying right so what are we told how to
pray what are we supposed to pray how does prayer look like right and and
consistently prayer is part of prayer is his kingdom come his will be done right
and you mentioned it earlier which was Luke 22 42 without you realizing it or
maybe you did but when Jesus was in the garden of Gethsemane and he was praying
to God before the crucifixion right knowing what was coming he said God
father if you're willing remove this cup of divine wrath for me right he was
saying cut please take this from me I don't want to do it I don't want to be a
part of it but right after that very instantly he said yet not my will but
always yours be done here well because I could tell God oh I want please God I
need a bigger house but your will be done over mine right but it's like
that's the way to pray right Matthew 6 10 when he's saying this is how you
should pray it's your kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven
right Proverbs 19 21 many plans are are in a man's mind right but it is the
Lord's purpose for him that will stand and be carried out because in the end
it's not my will that's the whole point we are dead to our flesh and our desires
and we say your will be done because God knows what's best and he knows what's
going to be good for us does this mean that our life is gonna be easy no we
talked about this a little bit right yeah well it's like you know I think you
know for how many years I've been praying you know I'm trained for a lot
of things I prayed for you know healing to my father and stuff like that and I
mean and God's been right on that right you know and he's done that he's
protected and kept him safe from the cancer and stuff that's been you know
you know where his body and that's you know still here and then you know there's
other things to be praying for like and praying thank God put a woman a good
woman into my life and he's done that it's taken him seven years but it's in
his time right because he's got me in a spot now where you know that's right
you were I'm I am actually able to maybe you know be able to handle that and be
spiritually a leader for you know both of us right which is you know I'm like
and I was thinking you know I'm like oh dang and like you know not to say there's
just me that had work but I won't say it was her because I don't know she's
listened to this but you know but we're all worse than Christ and sometimes we
know it's just it's sometimes we're not ready right as God is still working on
us for certain things and sometimes we're not in the right spot we're not in
the right place you know right like maybe you know I will get a book I pray
for a boat and you know when I have a house and have it you know you know the
actual means for about right to have a random boat if he wants you know to give
me once I can sell it that'd be cool too like I'm like next week next week on the
podcast yeah guys so that boat right I don't know why but you know right we
know we know that basically the prosperity gospel pushes that Jesus and
praying to God is a genie right that he it plays the trumpet of he cares for us
so he's gonna give us stuff and which is I mean materialistic that there we're
gonna get into like what the Bible says about it right but that yeah it
definitely feels sort of childish I mean not to be in a mean way but it's like
yeah oh well you know I want this and God's gonna give me this and almost like
a child to run a tantrum you know like our kid our teacher I like I want the
new iPhone I want the new this I want a PS5 God why won't you give me one you
know and that's the same God's like do you need that wasn't um wasn't that
the devil who tempted Jesus with bread and food and stuff like that and yeah oh
yeah and the stuff that was like you want this right I would have been tempted I
would have I would have failed I've been like was that fresh bread right so it's
like so who who who was there like was Jesus saying oh man I'm just gonna
supply myself with everything I ever need did Jesus live in a mansion wait
did Jesus have like the the best of the best horses did he had the biggest carts
did he have like the best clothes and linens like no no he had a he had a
donkey yeah and he rode in on a donkey that was it and people were like you're
crazy you're riding a donkey what's wrong with you but um so yeah that's the
message the message of the prosperity gospel is pretty clear it's really easy
to fall into it because it's like God is good and everything good comes from God
this is accurate but why is this message dangerous well because it teaches about
doing something right you got to do something you get rewarded do this get a
treat do this get a treat so what does the Bible say so like Romans 10 8 8 the
three it's kind of near your territory you're you're pretty familiar with
Romans a lot of times Romans that's a good book so Romans 10 8 is a good book
Romans 10 8 but that'd be the book 8 8 Romans 10 8 10 8 to 13 yeah but what
does it say the word near is near you and your mouth and in your heart and it
is the word of faith which we preach because if you acknowledge and confess
it with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord his power and authority and have
met oh my gosh and I just see as God and believe in your heart that God raised
him from the dead you will be saved for the heart of a person believes in the
justification and will the mouth of acknowledge why you get you always do
that gotta do your amplified versions and stuff just give me the nice you know
King James or NIV someone I can read it's not to be acknowledged confess for
the scripture says whoever believes in him will not disappoint for there is no
distinction between Jew and Gentile who there's no distinction between Jew and
Gentile mm-hmm for the same Lord is Lord over all and he abounding in riches for
all who call him or whoever calls my on the name the Lord will be saved I
butchered that but you know it's okay so I think we got the jake right so when
it's talking about riches it's talking about blessings and blessings of the
Spirit is most most important in the situation and we'll come back to that
too Matthew 11 28 kind of touches up on this as well because what is our role in
this what do we do what's our point then if we it's not to go out and do good to
get rewarded what do we do so Matthew 11 28 says come to me all labor and are
heavy laden and I'll give you rest right so he gives us that rest that peace of
mind and stuff right no yeah yeah so hmm again you kind of read that one with
Romans that 10 8 to 13 I wanted that I wanted to bring up a verse because you
talked about it earlier you did say it was a Ephesians 2 8 through 11 oh it's
yeah yeah yeah you referenced it because it says for it is by grace God's
remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ that you have been saved
actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life through faith and
this salvation is not of yourselves not through your own effort but it is the
undeserved or gracious gift of God right and not as a result of your works nor
your attempts to keep the law so that no one will be able to boast or take credit
in any way for his salvation for we are his workmanship his own masterwork a
work of art created in Christ Jesus reborn from above spiritually
transformed renewed ready to be used for good works which God prepared for us
beforehand taking paths which you set so that we would walk in them living the
good life which he pre-arranged and made ready for us so this is if you kind of
see the overview right what is this good life what is like because it does talk
about good life and it does talk about like he'll give us riches which is his
blessings and blessings in spirit so what does this stuff look like because
now we're looking into a little bit more and the Bible because God does want
what's best for us but it's not the way that we want what's best for us right
it's not our will again tis yeah so will we be rich or what because now this
Bible verse is making me think that he does care for me because he does right
he wants what's best for us so like for example what 2nd Timothy 3 10 to 12 do
you have that one handy I'm pretty sure that's the verses they could say now
now you have diligently followed my team can guard purpose faith patience love
steadfast first yeah precision and persecutions persecutions yeah this has
happened to me and see that purchase your discussions I endured but the Lord
has to me some of them all indeed all who diligently and for soon righteousness
are determined to live Godly life exercise will be hunted and first you
know let's do that that's awesome I can't wait for that all right so it's
interesting because you have him talking here and it's like we delight in
pursuing righteousness right and we're with in Christ and living godly lives we
will be hunted and persecuted because of faith and that's something that we're
told that's gonna happen right John 15 18 through 19 the world hates you and it
does know that it has hated me crisis talking at this point before it hated
you if you belong to the world the world would love you you as its own and would
treat you with affection but you are not of this world you are no longer belonging
to it and I have chosen you out of the world because of this the world hates you
and it's interesting because when you look at what salvation is is that we're
adopted into the kingdom of heaven through through faith and acknowledging
who God it sent which is his son Jesus that died for us and he's our salvation
right so acknowledging him is what makes us different is that we're saved there
there's going to be tests on tests on tests you can even read first Peter 4 12
through 14 it talks about those going to be lots of places to test you the test
the quality of your faith there's going to be consistent things that will test
the quality of our faith and verse 14 of first Peter 4 it says if you're insulted
and reviled for burying the name of Christ you are blessed happy with life
joy and comfort and God's salvation regardless of your circumstances key
right there because the spirit of glory and of God is resting on you and
dwelling you he whom the curse whom he whom they curse you glorify right so
when it says this it says comfort in God's salvation regardless of your
circumstances when you have a really bad day and things just kind of collapsing
on you or if you're having a really bad circumstances stuffs piling up are you
at peace in that moment
what do you think
well it's not a question it's like do you feel that peace or are you so focused
on what's coming that you're just like a like you're so focused on what is
happening now that you overstep that whole thing of God saying that he's
going to give you peace and you're just like I need to take care of this right
and then it comes back to are you doing what you want to do in your will or are
you doing what like my will be done or his will be done right comes back around
what do you think
yeah
I'm just gonna go like then it's all say again
hmm well it's a good point because I think it is I think we get to a place to
where of complete complains see where we're okay like we're okay thinking that
we can't rely on God's peace or God's love or the spirit right because we're
gifted the spirit when we accept Christ it says that we're blessed in spirit and
it even said right there in that verse that because of God is though because of
the spirit of glory and of God is resting on you right the Holy Spirit
resting on you with God the presence of God presence of God is it's a Holy
Spirit so what does so why is that important well what is the spirit what
what do what can we expect in our life what is this blessing what is the stuff
what is the good part of being a Christian what is the Holy Spirit
because the gift is the spirit so what is this gift you and me were talking
about this before we got on this call the first of the spirit yes because the
fruit of the spirit is because it says it's in Galatians 5 actually if you read
I recommend reading 16 all the way to 26 because it's a whole section there that's
talking about the keep keeping in step with the spirit because the spirit of
God is rested upon you as a reborn person under Christ and the Holy Spirit
helps you right it's it's the gift that's the whole point of it and we know
the gift because we could see the fruits which I'm sure a lot of people heard the
fruits of the spirit fruits are just talking about what comes of that
interaction right so the fruit of the spirit to know that it is there and that
is present in someone you look for that love you look for joy peace patience
kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control all those
things are fruits of the spirit if you see someone that says I'm Christian and
those things are what they reflect to people and what they show to people then
yeah they are of Christ because they have the presence of God with them and
that's how you can tell and even in this and I know the point is that we're not
perfect because it's not us that gives us fruits it's it's the spirit himself
that gives us fruit you need to step aside and let him guide you through this
right we like to do the my way or the highway when it's God saying well you
can take the highway then because it's my way or the highway you know so verse
16 do you remember what that was saying I don't know if you remember or not but
my deletions yeah once again we have a bot in our discord where you can type in a
Bible verse where the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit and the spirit
what is what is contrary to the flesh they are in conflict with each other so
that you are not to do whatever you want right if you use more elaborated
scripture that goes into it a little bit more you it's really easy to see what
the definition is more so because if you go to 16 let's say the amplified I know
you like go back and forth between it but amplify says but I'll say walk
habitually in the Holy Spirit seek him to and be responsive to his guidance
like I just said right that's our goal and then you will certainly not carry
out the desire of the sinful nature which responds impulsively without regard
for God and his precepts for the sin nature has its desire which is opposed to
the spirit and the desire of the spirit opposed to the sinful nature so for
these two the simple nature and the spirit are in direct opposition to each
other continually and conflict so that you as believers do not always do
whatever things you want to do but you are guided and led by the spirit and
you're not subject to the law now this is interesting because it gets the point
of like is you serve one or the other there's two things here simple nature
and the Holy Spirit's nature which one are you serving right what do you take
out of that since everyone mastered and I think that I think it's pretty clear
like you know either you know it's the battle constant battle like it says with
your flesh I just think about that mm-hmm yeah I it's a constant battle I
think 20 I think 24 actually touches up on what you just said just now oh yeah
what's this like uh should let me go back to it yeah verse 24 and those who
belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature together with its
passions and appetites so it's like it's one of the other you can't serve both
cancer two masters mm-hmm yeah man right 25 says if we claim to live by the Holy
Spirit we must also walk by the Holy Spirit which personally put with
personal integrity godly character and moral courage our conduct empowered by
the Holy Spirit we must not become conceited challenging or provoking one
another and being one another none of that
yep yep I agree yeah it's not an easy it I'll say it is an easy road and it's
not an easy road because there's so much stuff to this world and so much like
things around you shoot like there's movies there which are great there's a
lot of really cool movies there's a lot of really fun games but then there's a
lot of stuff that just like feeds you all this stuff like it's okay to be
angry it's okay to be like envious it's okay to you know start conflict it's
okay to be conceited it's okay to challenge everything or be challenging
towards someone if you use the look up the word challenging it's more along the
lines of like let's say Dylan we're out in public or something and you're you're
like oh well I believe this and I'm like well you're wrong for one because you're
not educated on the subject and this is what's right that's provoking and
challenging in that same sense that's kind of what it's like don't do that
it's you're not out you're not there to that's not how you get the message
across if you said something I'd come up to you and be like hey why do you
believe what you believe and then I'll just start talking with you and then
I'll have questions for you okay well if you believe that what do you think of
this because I'm not trying to like tell you you're wrong deal with it I'm trying
to discuss with you because I want to see where you're you're coming from
because you're a human being like I am your God's creation like I am but I want
to see where you're coming from so we can discuss because who knows what I
have to give you through the through Christ himself through the Holy Spirit
might help you out that's the goal is to show you what's available to you that
doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to sit there be like oh that's wrong oh
that's so wrong I hate that whatever that's not how we do things as if you're
a follower of Christ that's not how you do things and you have to rethink your
you have to rethink how you're doing things if that's how you do things you
have to readjust make some adjustments here and there yeah love to hear your
input oh it goes back to like what Grace can is love I know you know my neighbor
and we're all you know we're all here together we're all we all need to be
loving toward each other like we said when we began it's okay to have
disagreements and discord with you know with one another but we also have to be
understanding of one another like you don't need to go out of your way to
start conflict I do believe you should stand up for what you believe but you
shouldn't go out of your way to start ponds with one you know other people
right I think there's there's a lot of I'm trying not to get off topic at the
same time in in the idea of prosperity gospel I think a lot of people have
fallen for the idea that they're chosen or they're put above that they are
better then and you see it a lot in media when they're like oh Christians
are doing blank and then you see it and then those Christians are like it has
like that arrogance like it's kind of like a distaste in your mouth like it's
just like that's not that's not good they might be using verses or they might
be using like actual teachings of Christ in a way like just trying to use to get
their point across and and they're just like no this is blah blah blah and
they're angry they're saying people are blind you're you don't know what you're
doing you're going to hell and it's like gross they're like yeah if something
inside me whether it's a spirit or not it's just something inside me just goes
if that's a gross taste like it's a it's just comforting right it's yeah I don't
know it you see it a lot and it's just like that's not I call Galatians 5 the
Christian test because you can go up to any see how they act with people and if
it's not on that list of what the fruits of the spirit are then the spirits not
there it's one of the other you have the spirit or you don't it's not oh the
spirits here today because I'm not sinning it's like we fall short of the
glory of God yes and we have already but is there to guide you from here on out
and make sure that you are interacting with others that means you die to your
wants and desires because you know he knows what's out of your flesh right
that's why it's rebirth reborn we're renewed in Christ we this math what was
it again the Matthew 6 no not Matthew 6 Matthew 11 28 it's like come to me all
who labor and have you laid and I'll give you rest is because we go to him
stuff gets hard you go to him stuff is good you go to him because he is like
that's the point of it is that he's the pedestal of your life everything around
you he's the highest thing off up that you are most focused on that your most
paid attention to that you most listen to that you pray to that you interact
with the most and that's important because a lot of times you see these
Christians on TV who say oh I'm Christian and then they start talking
about stuff that just is the self-righteousness the feel-good well
this makes me feel like I'm in the right so it has to be right right I mean I
could be wrong yeah that's what I'm seeing no I I'm yeah I'm just I'm in
agreement with you 100% yeah it's it's good stuff it's just prosperity gospel
is dangerous because it teaches that you are not good enough if you'd not rich
materialistic things do not matter sure you can say I need money to survive
great because God will provide enough for you to get by and that's the thing
is that he's a provider yes but he doesn't promise you the moon he he says
I'm gonna make sure that you prove you provided and that you do the works of
Christ follow me walk with me you know pray with me delve deep with in the word
that get closer to him we see it with like the disciples first off remember
the disciples where did he say hey you want a big fancy boat you fishermen like
do you want to get a mansion or what do you say stop what you're doing quit your
job come pick up your cross and follow me kind of thing right yeah can you
imagine nowadays let's say you're at work and God Jesus himself comes up to
you and this guy right and this time frame you're just you're just fishing
you're doing your job guy comes up says hey
cast on the other side and all of a sudden a miracle happens wow that worked
who is this guy and he says drop what you're doing and follow me all of a
sudden you're like quit my job quit everything I'm doing and follow this guy
who just showed me a miracle would you do it
well I mean not now because Jesus you know right in that in that aspect though
but you know I don't know honestly don't know I like to think that I would part
me I think I'd be like I don't know you know I you know like Chuckie Finster
for in Rugrats I I'm not sure guys I'm not sure yeah that so yeah exactly it's
it's hard to say if you would back then there wasn't any sort of like extra
entertainment so maybe you're just like sitting there like I could always pick
up fishing again maybe there was that security nowadays if God himself came
down in flesh and was like drop what you're doing and follow me it that is
kind of the point I think a lot of things happen when Jesus was talking in
parables was like you know you had the good Samaritan parable you had like the
whole thing where he was talking about it's easier for you know someone who
doesn't have anything to go to get into heaven than it is for a rich man to go
through the eye of needle or whatever and that said that same concept that's
like if you have things you're comfortable with your life things around
you you're comfortable and you like what you have it's but it's nothing the house
I have is nothing the car I has are they they're nothing like my job is nothing
because the true focus is Christ life is short and it's not about doing to get
more materialistic things because materials listic things are not coming
with you afterwards they're done they're part of this world are gone right what
so why why would why would be the whole message of the prosperity gospel be
collect as much of this junk as you can because God's gonna give you junk like it
doesn't make sense when you get to the really roots and core of what the
prosperity gospel is is that God will give you junk so that you're happy
temporarily and it's anytime Jesus is talking about like life in general he's
talking long-term everlasting life I'm I'll get you like I'm the way the truth
in life it's the whole thing of like through him we live on after like that's
the whole point which obviously will do maybe we'll do a heaven topic one of
these times too so I'd like to hear more of your thoughts though I know I could
talk I can ramble a lot I love I love God I love the Bible I'm pretty much in
agreement with you so there's not much for me to say which is a rarity but um
not pretty much on the same page here yeah I think I think just to touch up on
one last thing that we see prosperity gospel promote self-righteousness do
what's righteous right Romans 322 the very first sentence in that verse is the
righteousness of God which is true righteousness comes through faith in
Jesus Christ for all those Jew and or Gentile who believe and trust in him and
acknowledge him as God's son just right off the bat you see this being said and
it's like we like to pretend that being righteous is is the way to go and that
it's but that's self-righteousness true godly righteousness comes through the
faith in Jesus Christ for anybody who believe in trust in him acknowledge that
Jesus is God's son because we are gifted the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit
guides us and those things that we're called to be right towards others yeah
saying yeah I just sit here like in the in the spirit right man so it's it's
God is good God wants what's best for us and what's best for us is not always
materialistic stuff because can you can you imagine if God's like oh yeah here's
an example it gots like okay I'll make you a millionaire do you think you'll
need him like you'll you probably wouldn't think you need him because you
have like millions of dollars at that point you're just like I don't need
anything so why would I need God that's like what I was saying you know like
make a people there more you know poverty mm-hmm a they have some pretty gnarly
like gnarly you know encounters with God because it's what they have yep and
that's true yeah that's something that we don't have right here in the states
you know how that issue is much we don't have it visibly as much like I mean
majority of us are yeah I know what you're talking yeah which we could talk
about that another time yeah you know like yeah it's true though it makes you
realize we are truly truly blessed yes I agree it's I'm smiling boggling
hi I'm with you on that I agree it really is um yeah basically this kind of
recap prosperity gospel we just talked about it and be careful out there just
know the word I think really we're getting me close to end time stuff
there's a lot of stuff happening right now and it's a good time to get into the
word because the word is God where does Jesus Christ God if we really get into
it but yeah the word is we need to get like do a podcast that's on the Bible
scripture and stuff like that that'd be great be fantastic cool yeah yeah Josh
yeah I'm sorry I'm like little little dose of the goes a little out of it now
well the good news is is that I think we're pretty good for this episode I'm
glad we were able to do another episode and we're gonna get a little bit more
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