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Welcome to the Gospel Truth Project podcast.

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I'm your host, Jason, and I have my co -host

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here. What's up, guys? It's me, Dylan. We made

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it! I'm so excited. Yeah, it's actually, I know

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it's been a long time, and for our listeners

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who have actually been listening to our podcast,

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though, it's been like almost a year since we

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recorded. It's been like April or May last year.

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yeah we kind of like to do that type of stuff

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you know we're like yeah here's our comeback

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here we go and then see you in the 12th um you

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know our tensions are always yes we are going

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to uh you know we're gonna start recording again

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and things get crazy busy and different and change

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up and uh yeah But I think, yeah, we both really

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want to do it. I think we just need to maintain

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that and actually do it. And, you know, maybe

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it's sporadic, but that's just how life is. True.

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True. I know. And Jason is so busy with doing

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all his stuff. And he decided to write a book.

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That's how long it's been. He was so bored. He

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couldn't do record. He's like, I'm going to write

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a book. I've been working on that book for about

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two, two and a half years. And then when we stopped

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recording, it gave me an opportunity to really

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focus on it and try to finish it. So that was,

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that was kind of the benefit to what ended up

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happening there. So, um, yeah. And for the listeners

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who don't know, you can actually join our gospel

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truth project, uh, podcast. uh as like an audience

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live audience where you can ask questions live

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it's just something that we have where we're

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recording live on on our discord uh you go to

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gospel truth project .com you go to the bottom

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there's the discord button click it join it and

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then check out everything what we have going

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on into the discord itself and as dylan mentioned

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i did write a book it's called a nobody's opinion

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a nobody's opinions on amazon barnes and nobles

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uh It's on Google Books, like anywhere you can

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find books. I highly recommend the Amazon because

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you can get the Kindle book or you can get the

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soft cover or the hard cover. So I usually recommend

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doing it that way. It's just a nobody's opinion.

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It's Christian apologetics from a person that

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is a nobody at that point. So that's kind of

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the idea of that. And I was really excited that

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I got it done. yeah and if you're like me it

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does if you'd like to read it does come in an

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audiobook option yeah that's something that took

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a while but yeah that i've been told i haven't

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heard it yet i've been told yeah the amazon stuff

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is like interesting with the audio and i activated

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it i just i just haven't done it to see if it

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actually worked i had to double check but supposedly

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it is so allegedly allegedly yeah yeah but yeah

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i mean we haven't talked in a minute like how

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are you doing i you know i'm exhausted tired

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um yeah i just got the kids are just growing

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up like you know i think one reason we kind of

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stopped recording is like we me and the wife

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literally had a baby um So that it makes a little

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hard to record when I'm like, Hey, Jason, this

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record, you know, around like nine, 10, something

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like that. And then I'm like, Oh no, the baby

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isn't going to sleep. Yeah. Oh, she's a year

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and a half now, but it's like, okay, well, dang,

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I was trying to come out and record. Right. My.

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but then you know our you know sometimes you

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know they snuggle you're really good and then

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you just kind of pass out next thing you know

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it's 10 30 you're like oh no i think uh i think

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i missed it like yeah it was the time difference

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too you know it's always a fun thing yeah there's

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some reason we can't just it would be the right

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time true like right now for everyone listening

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like uh right now it's about 12 15 a .m for me

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it's for Dylan's an hour before, but I was like,

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yeah, it's late, but this is the one chance I'll

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have in a while until I move and get everything

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set up and ready to go. Exactly. And I'm like,

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yeah. I'm like, I'm not in Hawaii. It's true.

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Hawaii is like a four. They don't do like daylight

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savings, I don't think. So like they're, yeah.

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I don't know what they do. i don't know yeah

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it'd still be a different time and just the time

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zones at least with our zone it's only an hour

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difference which makes it doable for the most

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part so it's like okay it's doable we could do

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this um but yeah so i will say today's episode

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actually comes from um someone on our facebook

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page they actually asked us to uh review this

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so on the gospel truth project facebook we asked

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everybody we asked all these people hey what

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should we talk about when it comes to like the

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podcast what topics do you recommend for the

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podcast and the main topic that came up was salvation

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faith alone or faith plus works i'm still and

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i'm sure you agree too is that we we hear it

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a lot where we have like orthodox catholics and

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protestants where they all say well it's faith

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it's faith yes but there's works yes or there's

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faith alone only there's there's work so i think

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it's going to be a good topic to talk about because

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obviously there's the questions of well let's

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define faith let's define salvation because this

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is all about faith equals salvation right so

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that's kind of where this episode is going to

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lead is Let's talk about it and see what we got.

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What's the scripture say? I think it's a good,

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I think it's one of the, it's kind of a big topic.

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And I think it's one of those questions. I think,

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you know, it needs to be answered properly. Like

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there's a lot of things where different, I don't

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know, different, different mindsets that are

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out there, different things that have been put

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out there. Maybe that aren't, really correct

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yeah i would say like even on top of that it's

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just like there's a that split between what is

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salvific compared to what is a response to salvation

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like what is the response what is the reaction

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to compared to what is actually the saving part

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right so yeah i think a lot of it too is just

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there's a lot of I don't know. Maybe we think,

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maybe we think like the people think there's

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a gray area, you know, when there's, I think

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it is pretty tough and dry, but I think we'll

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get a little more into that. Yeah. I actually,

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I think one of the things that I was talking

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to a friend, another friend of mine was that

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I think both statements saying faith alone or

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faith plus works is oversimplified too much.

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Like, by far too oversimplified i know that the

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idea of salvation in itself is simple in the

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sense that we have faith like scriptures teaches

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but i think it's oversimplified because it's

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you can end up with two sides of this right if

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you say faith alone you get the cheap grace which

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like let's say for example if i told you i was

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married but never spoke to my wife at all and

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lived in different houses and then dated other

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women. And then would you believe me if I was

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truly married? Probably not. James, like, Oh,

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James. Oh my gosh. Here we go. James, what? James,

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what? No, no. So James suggests that faith is

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like a marriage, right? He, if there's no relationship,

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then the covenant's empty. But then on the other

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side of faith and works, you have the other side

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of it where it's like, If we stood before God

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and he asked, why should I let you into my kingdom?

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And you listed all your good works. Would you

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be pointing to yourself rather than Jesus? If

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Jesus paid it all, why do you need to add a tip?

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Right. That's, that's the, the kind of like balance

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here. Is that what you're seeing as well? I honestly

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think that's a great analogy though, honestly,

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with marriage, because, you know, it is the truth

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though, is because like, you know, you can be,

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married you know you can be in a relationship

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and people have these things you say oh we are

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open relationships so that that's a whole thing

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that's so my mind -boggling to me because it's

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not a relationship that's not a marriage it's

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the same thing though like i think it definitely

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is i mean there's a gray area in the sense where

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you can say oh yeah it's not like i believe now

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so i'm good that's all i needed Right. And it's

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also, you can't say, oh, I did good. So therefore

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I should be fine. I think it more comes from

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the place of where I am. I do have a relationship

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with Jesus. I am married. You know what I mean?

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Like in that sense. So I don't drink coffee really,

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but my wife does. Right. So I make coffee for

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her. She's not going to hear this, but I know

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I drink a little bit. Just a little bit. I don't

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really drink. I just drink a cup of her coffee.

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You know what I mean? I'm still going to do that,

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though, because it's out of my love and my, you

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know, my belief in our marriage that I'm going

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to take care of those things. It's the same thing.

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We believe in Christ. And so, therefore, we have

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our actions that show our love for Christ. Right.

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Because I think, you know, otherwise, there is

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no point to the actions. It's just like the same

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thing is, you know, some people say, well, if

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you don't have God, then what's the point of

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morals? I'm a good person. But what's the point

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of being a good person? Right. You know, and

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I think it's a good, it shows a little bit too,

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like, you know, people that are more of this

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world. Oh, yeah, I just try to be the best person

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I can. It's like, but what reason? And I feel

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like a lot of time you get these empty, you know,

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things because there's a Jesus size hole that

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they're trying to fill through their good works.

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And so I'm such a good person. I do this and

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that. It's like, but what's really in your heart?

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What really is the reasoning for all of it? Yeah.

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It's a heart issue. You know, like most things.

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all right i mean we see so this is like we're

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like in galatians for example 2 16 it says yet

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we know that a person is not justified by works

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of the law but through faith in jesus christ

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so we also have believed in christ jesus in order

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to be justified by faith in christ not by works

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of law because by works of law no one will be

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justified um So then we see in like Romans 3,

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28, for example, says for we hold that one is

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justified by faith, like part from works of the

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law. So there's this constant message that happens.

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I mean, Romans 5, 1 talks about it. Therefore,

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since we have been justified by faith, we have

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peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Romans 4, 5, again, and to the one who does not.

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work but believes in him who justified the ungodly

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his faith is counted as righteous so we have

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this constantly going back where scripture the

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short answer is that scripture says that salvation

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is by grace alone which is sola gratia through

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faith alone which is sola fide in christ alone

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but but the the key here is that biblical faith

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is not merely intellectual agreement it is a

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vital allegiance that inevitably produces obedience.

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Good works are the necessary breath of the living

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faith, not the purchase price of salvation. I

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guess that's the best way I can put it. Yeah,

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I mean, if you're in Romans, so I have to agree

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with you. No, but I mean, yeah, I'm in agreement

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with that. I mean, yeah i mean it is grace alone

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that we're saved and that's a hundred i mean

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that's what i mean like the black and white side

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of it it is by grace alone that we are saved

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and there's just that's it's cut and dry right

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um you know like i said too like you know but

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by that you know you have that grace but then

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you should have having that grace it should go

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right because if you you know you need it Like

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if I say, you know what, I go to the gym, I have

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a gym membership. Okay, well, if I'm weighing

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280 pounds and you catch me at Mickey D's. I'm

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never at the gym. And, you know, I was like,

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oh, you go to the gym, it's like, yeah, they

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have a really good vending machine there. Right.

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Oh, you're just going to get fed, but are you

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putting in the work? I think it's the same thing

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with God. Oh, yeah, no, I go to church. Oh, you

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do? Oh, yeah, yeah, I get the donuts and the

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coffee. I like church. Okay, but are you actually

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getting fed? Also, same thing, are you actually

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doing the work? Are you actually walking with

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Christ? Are you actually working out your spiritual

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muscles, in a sense? Mm hmm. Are you are you

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are you showing us that you've been given that

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grace and you're working with that grace? Are

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you just like, I know I'm having me my grace

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donut and my grace coffee and yum. Yeah. No,

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actually, I agree, because we have to address

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the uncomfortable reality, which is many like,

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for example, many American Christians have decisional

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regeneration. But like no spiritual life. So

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we have created a culture where raising a hand

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or walking an aisle is equated with salvation,

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regardless of subsequent fruit. And the hard

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truth is that holiness is not an optional add

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-on package for like super Christians. Hebrews

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12, 14 says, strive for holiness without which

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no one will see the Lord. So, if your theology

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allows you to claim Christ while comfortably

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living in sin, your theology is not that of the

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Bible. Grace doesn't just forgive sin, it empowers

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us to break sin's power, which is Titus 2 .11

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-12 that backs that up. You make it sound like

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there's like, you know. Or $7 .99, you can have

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the base of Christian package, but if you want

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ad -free and you want the super Christian experience,

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pay $14 .99. Make sure you type every week. Right.

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I know it's not at all how that works. It's like,

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no. Yeah, I mean, it's like turned into commercialism

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to that degree of like, oh, well, you do this,

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you get this. Yeah, yeah. Like at that genie

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system or a vending machine version of it. It's

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like. No, no. Starting to sound kind of Catholic

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-y there. You pay enough money or you're excommunicated,

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okay? You're going to be in the Catholic church.

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I would say that's more like the medieval of

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that. Yeah, the medieval version of that. Yeah,

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I mean, I don't know if they still do that nowadays,

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no. But I will say... Can you imagine that? He's

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so frowned upon now. It's like, can you believe

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this? Oh my gosh. Well, look at the ministers

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that are on TV. They do that. They're like, donate.

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I feel like someone needs to donate $500 right

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now and they're going to get double their money

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back. They do that right now. It's the prosperity

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gospel. You do this, you're going to get double,

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triple, quadruple. All your house is going to

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get paid for. That's what they do is televangelists

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are sitting there on TV with a phone number saying,

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donate now. I feel like God's telling someone

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to donate that money that you're thinking about.

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Donate your rent money. Oh, come back twice full.

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It's like, no, no. Or have some discernment for

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free. Right. Yeah, I think. I think this is something

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important that we should look at is the two heavyweight

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champions of this debate, right? Which is Paul

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and James, arguably Paul and James. So they,

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they, I would suggest that Paul and James stand

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back to back fighting different enemies, not

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face to face fighting each other. Cause that's

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something that a lot of people say that Paul

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and James were contradicting. Cause you know,

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Paul's defense, right? In Ephesians two. Oh yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. So like in, Ephesians 2, 8 through

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10, he said, for by grace you have been saved

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through faith, not a result of works that no

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one may boast, right? So, if we look at the Greek

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there, when it says have been saved, it's sesos

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minoi, which this is a perfect passive participle.

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So, like passive God did the action, you received

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it. Perfect in the sense that it's completed

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past action with present abiding results. You

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aren't being saved by your effort. You are saved.

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So, in 10, you see this, like, the hinge here,

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which is, for we are his workmanship, which is,

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if I remember correctly, is poema, and then created

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in Christ Jesus for good works. So, poema gives

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us the word poem, which is where we get it from.

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We are God's masterpiece. So works the result

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fruit, not the cause tool or root. You don't

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work for salvation. You work from salvation.

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Oh yeah. Like you said, it's, it's not, you don't

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work for it. You know what I mean? It's not just,

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you don't just, Oh my gosh. Dylan has dogs that

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he's wrestling with. Those, those puppies, you

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know what? Yeah. Those who don't know. I'm going

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to sidebar this real quick. Yeah, sidebar. Because

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it's the God story. So my wife had a dream about

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a little German, not a German Shepherd, but a

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Shepherd Mix puppy. She's like, I had a dream

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about a puppy. It reminded me of my own dog.

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And I felt like I was telling this, we should

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get a puppy. And I'm like, okay, sure. yeah like

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there's gonna be some puppies for you know for

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sale or you know or was humane or whatever like

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are you know sure yeah okay if there's a puppy

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there whatever we'll go totally well um there

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was uh down south uh and uh so yeah then i called

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and like oh actually the dog's gonna set up for

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adoption at 10. um You guys can be here at four,

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though. We can maybe see them. Like, oh, we got

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to pick up a kid from school. We can't do that.

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Like, okay, well, if they cancel, I'll call you.

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I'm like, okay, awesome. Here's my number. Yada,

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yada. We did that. We wake up in the morning.

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I was like, I had a dream that they canceled.

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They're going to cancel. Like, so we need to

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go down there. Okay. So we went down there for

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half an hour. We're there at 930. Before they

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open up, like a whole half an hour, I get a phone

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call. hey so we just got a phone call they canceled

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i was like we're actually already down here in

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your parking lot just chilling because my wife

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had a dream that you guys that she can't the

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other person canceled so we're here so we can

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adopt the dog and this dog has actually been

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really i mean we have another dog so this dog

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is actually pretty chill and she's like actually

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way easier than the first dog was when she was

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a pup and that's like a three -month puppy And

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it's like, but like, see what I mean? Like is

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I can try to tie this back is like, but that

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listening and obedience and obedience, God does,

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you know, he does things. Yeah. He works through,

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you know, like you guys move in and get into

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a better place and doing that. Like God will

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provide. And that's just. oh yeah puppies the

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puppy you know they have to learn the proper

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bite indicators yeah you know oh yeah she's gonna

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learn but she is chopping up my arm right now

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oh my gosh but yeah you know and that's part

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of the juice because sometimes you know you go

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through that that pain yeah and you have those

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parts where you're you know where you have that

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grace from god you still go through hard things

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I'm just trying to think of how I can bring it

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right to the public, buddy. Oh, my goodness.

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Oh. I will say, like, that's where Paul's defense

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was fighting legalism, but that's where the next

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step, which you're talking about, is obedience,

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trusting, and stepping out in faith when stuff

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is rough or stuff is hard. That's where James'

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defense in James 2, for example, 14 to 26, he

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was fighting easy believism. the idea that faith

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without works is dead. So, when we look at the

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Greek, right, justified, which is dikealo, dikealo,

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I think if I remember correctly, it's how...

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Right, dikealo. This word has a, like a semantic

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range, and so in Paul, in Romans, it usually

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means forensic declaration, like to be declared

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righteous in a court, like a legal court. In

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James context suggests it means like a vindication

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to be demonstrated as righteous. So when he says

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demons believe, like in the sense of like even

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demons believe, I think it's the words for it.

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But James uses the words, which is. described

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mental ascent which demons know monotheism is

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factually true but they shudder they have fact

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but no allegiance so the key talking point chair

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is that james is not asking how does a sinner

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get right with god like paul's question james

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is asking what does genuine faith look like so

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with him As mentioned, the whole point is like,

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hey, it's not just a, I believe a certain way.

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I think a certain way. It is, I believe and have

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faith, and that faith produces change. It produces

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a shift. Like, that's why we say born again.

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And we receive the Holy Spirit, and that's why

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Galatians 5 says, if you are truly saved, then

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you will have the Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit

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within your life. interact with other people

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with the fruits of the spirit in that sense you

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can see the fruit of the spirit in your life

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and the holy spirit is the mark the seal upon

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a believer to say that they are saved so we can

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see that there is a transformation this is kind

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of where the correct classic like christian orthodoxy

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in that sense faith equals salvation plus works

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is not works equals salvation or adheres to salvation

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in a sense but is because you have faith it is

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equal to salvation and the result of that has

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works because of that faith and because you are

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saved i guess i guess it's like a lot of it sounds

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like a lot of jumble but it's trying to say it

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is not so like faith plus works is called salvation

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no faith minus works equals salvation no it would

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be faith equals salvation plus works is the idea

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that it comes with it because it's a renewing

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of a mind transforms transformation yeah exactly

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it's you know funny because at church we literally

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um i just talked about this about how about producing

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fruit and provision and all this and you know

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and god's provision that you just he'll provide

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and you'll see the fruit too from what he provides

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you when he gives you when you fully trust because

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when you fully trust in the lord you give him

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that you fully devote to him and do that you

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know you'll see fruit come out of it you also

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see hardship and things and things that are not

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going to be easy Due to the fact that we live

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in a fallen world and that God says it's never

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going to be easy. He never tells you that flat

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out. Following me is not an easy path. But he

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will provide for you so you're able to provide.

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So at church, they asked, hey, who wants provision?

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Who wants provision? Now, my wife shot her hand

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up so fast. The fact that she's a five foot short

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little thing who is not seen. I'll tell you who

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was second person to raise their hand. It was

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me. I was trying to go faster than her. She got

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:07.930
a shorter distance to cover, so she won, but

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that was fine. Anyways, then they call me up

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in front of church, and I'm not sharing this

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to be like, look at what I got, because it's

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God. It's God, what he did, and how he provides.

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Then they had me come up, and they said, you

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shot your hand up so fast. I'm like, actually,

00:27:25.789 --> 00:27:29.259
my wife did first. I'm just, you know. six foot

00:27:29.259 --> 00:27:32.200
three on a good day and it was quicker and um

00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:38.579
they brought a freaking little uh tangerine tree

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here god's providing here this is the fruit you're

00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.980
gonna see fruit i'm like i'm literally seeing

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these are like literally there's some tangerines

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on here right yeah and i remember i don't know

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if you ever seen a video of the man who tithed

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his fruit his lemons I have not. I'll have to

00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:06.390
find it. This man had two lemon trees and he

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tithed one and he left the other one as whatever.

00:28:10.069 --> 00:28:13.710
These lemons grow to be decidedly grapefruits.

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Oh, yeah, I know those kind of lemons. Because

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he tithed the first, you know, to the Lord down

00:28:20.930 --> 00:28:23.130
night. I'm like, how cool is that going to be?

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I'm going to do this and I'm going to tithe my

00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:27.950
first things and my tangerines. You're going

00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:29.430
to think they're oranges, but they're really

00:28:29.430 --> 00:28:32.190
tangerines. And so we just got to tithe those

00:28:32.190 --> 00:28:35.930
today. And I'm like, it's so cool because God's

00:28:35.930 --> 00:28:38.910
providing. Even when it's little things like

00:28:38.910 --> 00:28:43.349
that. But I think it really is little. You may

00:28:43.349 --> 00:28:46.349
have seen a tangerine, but they're not these

00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:51.000
big fruit. And it's like, but these little things

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.140
still so juicy and they're sweet and all this,

00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:58.599
you know, they got the vitamins in it. It's like,

00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:00.960
even these little fruits that maybe you don't

00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.980
think are going to give you much or be enough,

00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:06.200
like, you know. Yeah. They do, they provide.

00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:08.859
Yeah. And that's, I think it's a cool analogy

00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:13.240
for all that, you know. Yeah. I like citrus,

00:29:13.299 --> 00:29:16.210
so it's good for, you know, good for me. And

00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:19.930
the baby calls all citruses. We have lemon tree

00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:25.049
and orange tree. Mandarin oranges or tangerines.

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And she calls them all lemons. I'm like, what

00:29:30.130 --> 00:29:32.369
the heck? Which one do you want? We got lemon.

00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:35.470
We got lime. We got all these fruits. It's really

00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:37.950
cute. All the way in the front yard, Jason. She'll

00:29:37.950 --> 00:29:41.849
make me walk. Grab my hand and go, come on. Lemon.

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First off, I think you want an orange. but i

00:29:45.710 --> 00:29:49.690
don't know you know yeah it's just i had to keep

00:29:49.690 --> 00:29:51.390
you updated on that it's pretty stinking cute

00:29:51.390 --> 00:29:53.990
jason yeah that sounds cute you can't tell a

00:29:53.990 --> 00:30:01.089
note to 11 even though right exactly yeah it's

00:30:01.089 --> 00:30:06.029
um this is yeah i'm with you and i think uh this

00:30:06.029 --> 00:30:08.589
is one of those things where for people listening

00:30:09.259 --> 00:30:12.500
there's a distinction between it wasn't the fact

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that he tithed and like he'd said the magic words

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or did the magic thing is because they he did

00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:22.519
it in obedience and to response to god on his

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heart is a response to if the holy spirit is

00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.240
in your life then you respond to it so like with

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you guys going to the shelter And saying they're

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going to cancel and like, okay, we're stepping

00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:38.279
out in faith that God gave her this dream, that

00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.259
God told her that they're going to cancel and

00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:43.079
we're going to be there. And you went there and

00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.960
you were waiting. You're like, God, we stepped

00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.660
out in faith, entrusting you that what we're

00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:52.380
hearing from you is you. And then you see that

00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:55.519
pay off because it shows following and stepping

00:30:55.519 --> 00:31:00.690
out in that faith is in. result of. So, when

00:31:00.690 --> 00:31:02.890
people hear this, when you say like, oh, we tied

00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:05.609
this, it's not because it's the magic thing to

00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:09.430
do. It is because you are stepping out in a calling

00:31:09.430 --> 00:31:12.329
and a faith that the Holy Spirit is telling you

00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:17.390
to do in that sense. Because if you don't know

00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:20.549
the defining faith in the Bible, because biblical

00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:23.589
faith involves three specific elements, very

00:31:23.589 --> 00:31:27.269
three specific ones, which is knowledge, the

00:31:27.269 --> 00:31:30.900
understanding, the facts of the gospel. Two,

00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:34.920
which is assent, which means agreeing that the

00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.759
facts are true. And then three, which is trust,

00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:43.420
which is fiducia, is the word for it, which is

00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:47.240
a personal reliance and allegiance. So you can

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.920
have the first two, like the demons in James

00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.509
2, talking about they have those two. and be

00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:56.109
lost. But it is the fidicia, which is entrusting

00:31:56.109 --> 00:32:00.009
your whole self to Christ, that saves. That's

00:32:00.009 --> 00:32:03.289
the salvific point of that fully giving to God

00:32:03.289 --> 00:32:05.410
your life. You're no longer your own master.

00:32:05.490 --> 00:32:07.809
It is him. He is king. You are submitting to

00:32:07.809 --> 00:32:10.549
Christ Jesus as king and lord over your life.

00:32:11.089 --> 00:32:14.930
You are king and king, king and king. There's

00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:18.970
one king, and that's him. So, I think that's

00:32:18.970 --> 00:32:23.319
something important, especially because Correct

00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.819
me if I'm wrong or I want your take on this,

00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.460
but I would suggest that Western evangelicalism

00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:33.859
has created a category of a person called like

00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:37.019
the carnal Christian, where someone who claims

00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.819
to believe in Jesus for salvation, but knowingly

00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:44.400
refuses to obey him as Lord. And I see that where

00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.880
it's like believing. Like, for example, believing

00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.799
and obeying are not necessarily the same word,

00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:53.779
but they are the same heartbeat. Because belief

00:32:53.779 --> 00:32:57.279
is the internal posture, obedience is the external

00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.480
motion. So, you can't have a beating heart belief

00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.839
that doesn't pump blood, which is obedience.

00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.960
So, it's like this kind of combination. It's

00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.740
not because it's the work saved, but it's because

00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:13.500
it's the heart's alive, you're alive. So, that

00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.740
is the... the blood pumping now you see you're

00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:19.279
alive you're awake you're visual and seeing what

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.940
sin is and you see it in your life you're like

00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:26.460
wow i want to live a life worthy in the sense

00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:28.839
that i want to be sanctified by the holy spirit

00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.180
and that's a lifelong journey with the holy spirit

00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:35.539
as you learn grow and pursue christ so yeah um

00:33:35.539 --> 00:33:40.019
i think that's that's spot on i think the only

00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.160
knowledge i can really think about is too is

00:33:42.829 --> 00:33:47.150
Once again, being a parent, the things I did

00:33:47.150 --> 00:33:49.390
as a kid, and I'd be like, well, why can't I

00:33:49.390 --> 00:33:54.069
just do this? I want to do my things my way.

00:33:54.109 --> 00:34:00.130
I want to do them. Why can't I just eat this

00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:05.589
or do this or stay up later? But now as a parent,

00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:09.429
making a full circle and seeing it, I'm like,

00:34:09.469 --> 00:34:15.519
oh, no. i know better now i like not knowing

00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.519
better now but my eyes are open to now being

00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.579
in the power in the position of power in a sense

00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.880
are not power but you know what i mean in leadership

00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.519
you see leadership you know i mean that maturity

00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.760
now as a parent the same thing i think you know

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.599
as maybe you're a new believer or you say you're

00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:38.599
a believer but then actually having that experience

00:34:39.869 --> 00:34:43.570
And actually knowing what it means to follow

00:34:43.570 --> 00:34:47.650
Christ, what it actually means now to be a parent

00:34:47.650 --> 00:34:51.989
in that scene. It's not unfair. Why do I have

00:34:51.989 --> 00:34:54.489
to follow these 10 rules? Why are these 10 commandments

00:34:54.489 --> 00:34:58.289
even a thing? But then understanding now the

00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:01.900
importance of following those rules. Those, those,

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.739
you know, ways of living, those 10 commandments

00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:07.280
that were given for a reason. The same thing

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.920
as parenting is like, why can't you, why can't

00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.820
I eat cookies every single night for dinner?

00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:14.820
Do you want diabetes and do you want to gain

00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:18.440
weight and do you want to die young? No. Okay.

00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.400
All right. Yeah. And, you know, in the same sense,

00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.719
it's like, okay, you know, as a parent and as

00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.460
a mature father in Christ. We're to guide, you

00:35:30.460 --> 00:35:32.719
know, in that sense to the guy, those who are

00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.519
newer in faith, but not also understand that

00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.920
they have an understanding as well. But when

00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.320
you see things like, hey, dude, I see, you know,

00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.900
it's always out of love. Same thing with the

00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:51.340
parents out of love. So if I see my son, I see,

00:35:51.380 --> 00:35:53.360
oh, you know what? He's really struggling with

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.940
this right now. I'm not going to sit there and

00:35:55.940 --> 00:36:00.119
be like, well. I struggled. You have to struggle

00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.519
too. That sucks. Right. Get over it, man. That's

00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.800
very, I mean, some parents might be like that,

00:36:07.940 --> 00:36:11.539
you know, boomers and stuff. That doesn't matter.

00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.659
It's fine if you are. I mean, you should, because

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:17.420
you don't want to give your child the scorpion.

00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:23.510
But, you know. You know, it's like, you know,

00:36:23.530 --> 00:36:25.889
you want to see them better because I want to

00:36:25.889 --> 00:36:27.750
push everybody in their faith to do better than

00:36:27.750 --> 00:36:30.670
I'm doing in my faith. It's that accountability

00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:33.550
part. Because I don't know if Jason's sharper

00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:37.110
than me, he should be able to keep me more accountable,

00:36:37.389 --> 00:36:39.389
which is going to make me better in my walk.

00:36:39.789 --> 00:36:41.949
And we're both going to help push each other

00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:45.889
closer in Christ. Right. And the same thing with

00:36:45.889 --> 00:36:49.489
being husbands. You know, if he sees like, hey,

00:36:49.510 --> 00:36:52.510
man, like, you know. uh you know last time i

00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:54.849
saw you the way you're talking to your wife uh

00:36:54.849 --> 00:36:59.210
you know where was the love you know where was

00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:01.889
where was that you know that obedience the lord

00:37:01.889 --> 00:37:04.590
and honoring your wife right and yeah you know

00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:06.989
like oh man i you know i didn't maybe see that

00:37:06.989 --> 00:37:10.230
and then he chose me to be at her husband and

00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:13.070
like you know vice versa you know and it's always

00:37:13.070 --> 00:37:16.570
out of love and respect and i think it's a problem

00:37:16.570 --> 00:37:20.030
that you know i've mentioned before It's all

00:37:20.030 --> 00:37:24.010
convoluted and all screwed up because people

00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:27.949
get, you know, acting like they're holier than

00:37:27.949 --> 00:37:31.750
holy and they're Jesus himself when they're not.

00:37:31.929 --> 00:37:35.210
And anybody who's been hurt by the church, I

00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:37.710
would like to apologize to you guys right now

00:37:37.710 --> 00:37:43.570
if you're listening, because it's not the place

00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:47.610
that you should be getting hurt. And Jesus still

00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:50.840
loves you. uh, we still love you no matter what.

00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:54.400
And I just think that's, you know, like even

00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.360
Jason and me have been hurt by churches too.

00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.900
And we like me and a pastor to be in the worship,

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.239
you know, do it. We've, we've done a lot of it.

00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.139
Um, and like, so we know, you know, and unfortunately

00:38:08.139 --> 00:38:14.199
it's, it's, uh, the error in church is the, is

00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:20.210
humans. Um, it's not God. I just feel like that

00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:21.710
needs to be said. I don't know if that's just

00:38:21.710 --> 00:38:24.530
the Holy Spirit talking to me. I got you. I know

00:38:24.530 --> 00:38:27.170
that makes sense. It's one of those things where

00:38:27.170 --> 00:38:30.929
it's like, I agree with you because when it comes

00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:33.690
to that specifically, that topic, there's a lot

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:37.949
of it where people need to understand that you

00:38:37.949 --> 00:38:41.590
don't go to church because that's where God is.

00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:44.610
You go to church because that's where other sinners

00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:48.639
are trying to learn about God. and other broken

00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.900
people are trying to learn about god that we

00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:54.519
are not perfect none of us are perfect christ

00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.159
was perfect and that's why church is the thing

00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.639
is that we come together as a community to learn

00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.760
together to grow together to walk together and

00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.920
like a dysfunctional family who are all broken

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.420
that causes risks and that causes issues but

00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:14.199
christ is king as the center if your focus stays

00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.619
on him then That's when things around you start

00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:21.539
becoming more understandable in the sense that,

00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.960
like, you can start to pinpoint those things.

00:39:24.099 --> 00:39:26.840
Hey, that's not like you. What's going on? I

00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.480
need to know. Let me pray for you. Let me talk

00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.320
to you. You know, hey, this isn't like you. Like,

00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:34.940
you normally don't come at me like this. Hey,

00:39:35.019 --> 00:39:37.000
you're saying this. You're doing this. You're

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.420
yelling at someone or whatever. Like, this isn't

00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:41.960
like you. Let me pray for you. What's going on?

00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.039
Are you hurting? Something going on behind the

00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.389
scenes? Church isn't a place you go to look good,

00:39:47.489 --> 00:39:49.829
like look righteous. It's a place you go with

00:39:49.829 --> 00:39:51.929
your brokenness to give it to God, to worship

00:39:51.929 --> 00:39:54.750
God, and to learn more so that you can be closer

00:39:54.750 --> 00:39:58.210
to God. And community is where you interact with

00:39:58.210 --> 00:40:00.530
each other to then bear each other's burdens,

00:40:00.630 --> 00:40:02.809
to pray for each other, and to strengthen each

00:40:02.809 --> 00:40:07.769
other. So, yeah, I agree on that. Wow, that would

00:40:07.769 --> 00:40:13.019
be more like PK's answer. That was so beautifully

00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:17.980
done, though. Yeah, you know, that's very true.

00:40:18.099 --> 00:40:22.920
I think you go to church necessarily for the

00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.579
community part. That's also, like I said, that's

00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:31.940
also the part that kind of sucks. But, you know,

00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.880
I just encourage anybody, like, you know what,

00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:37.519
if you're not feeling like you have that community

00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.750
there, Pray about it and find a community that's

00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:45.610
going to fit you. Because at least encourage

00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:49.190
you. Like, yeah, we encourage you that. I mean,

00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:51.389
I've had that happen with me. Shoot. Like it's

00:40:51.389 --> 00:40:55.010
changed a whole bunch. I was over at our sister

00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:57.889
church and I was there youth pastoring there.

00:40:58.349 --> 00:41:02.030
And then, you know, the average attendee of that

00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:06.369
church was a roughly, you know, 75. Yeah. Actually

00:41:06.369 --> 00:41:12.800
the church were Jason and me. vineyard over there

00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.159
in Santa Maria. And the closest people in our

00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.679
age group were the youth kids. They were closer

00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.219
to the 17, 18 -year -old youth kids than we were

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:26.639
the next oldest person, which was the pastor.

00:41:27.940 --> 00:41:31.340
Great church. The guy can preach. It was great.

00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.219
Our problem was the community. It was like, well,

00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.250
you know, I guess, what do I have to talk to

00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:41.190
you guys about? Like, what, Bonko? It's like

00:41:41.190 --> 00:41:44.349
your non -relatable age group. You went to the

00:41:44.349 --> 00:41:48.710
Alps and you did bingo on Tuesday? How did that

00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:53.070
go? Right. You know? And, you know, and now we're

00:41:53.070 --> 00:41:58.929
back over at our church at Five Cities and every,

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:01.329
there's, man, you know how many new babies there

00:42:01.329 --> 00:42:03.389
are? I'm like, oh my gosh, man, people live in

00:42:03.389 --> 00:42:06.199
the water. I'm like, we're going to be careful.

00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:08.519
We're going to have a third one. Like, you know,

00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.480
like you get a contact baby, you know, like,

00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.480
right. Yeah. But I just, yeah, I just feel like

00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:18.079
that's something that needs to be prayed for,

00:42:18.179 --> 00:42:21.960
you know, just prayed for and talked about is

00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.199
looking for that, looking for that. It's not

00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.500
every perfect fit, but know that God will provide

00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:34.199
you with the right church. And, you know, I've

00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.920
had some not fun experiences with church, you

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.480
know, just thinking about like, you know, when

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.920
I first started off, literally a bad thing with

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.960
church happened, like where I had this like crap

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.860
experience with this church. I was their youth

00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:54.659
intern. They said, oh, we wish I could pay you,

00:42:54.699 --> 00:42:58.429
but we can't pay you. you know they said it for

00:42:58.429 --> 00:43:00.449
like five six months i was doing this and then

00:43:00.449 --> 00:43:02.730
they ended up running out of room so they could

00:43:02.730 --> 00:43:06.789
we could have host events and like youth events

00:43:06.789 --> 00:43:09.670
and all this stuff yeah and like oh this is our

00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:13.769
budget should be super tight now and like you

00:43:13.769 --> 00:43:15.429
know wish we could pay you more this is all we

00:43:15.429 --> 00:43:19.210
can afford and then two months later we move

00:43:19.210 --> 00:43:21.429
over to a bigger room and are paying almost a

00:43:21.429 --> 00:43:23.150
thousand dollars more i was like so wait hold

00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:27.320
on what i thought we couldn't pay you Right.

00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.039
I couldn't even like pay for gas when I was going

00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.019
to running, like, you know, I had to use my own

00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:34.079
money for the gas fan and stuff like that. You

00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.139
know, I was like, what? Don't make no sense.

00:43:36.940 --> 00:43:39.739
Right. And I was upset and I was angry. I was

00:43:39.739 --> 00:43:41.159
like, what the heck's going on? I was supposed

00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.719
to, you know, I'm supposed to get an internship

00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.019
here and then be able to move ahead and deal

00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:49.699
with this. And then I was sitting with, uh, Pastor

00:43:49.699 --> 00:43:53.960
JR in the Samoan church for gospel. And he's

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.500
like, I feel like God's telling you to leave

00:43:56.500 --> 00:44:00.639
that church. It's time for you to go. It's time

00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.159
for you to go. He's like, Nephew, you want a

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.099
youth pastor? You can youth pastor for our church.

00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:10.900
I was like, what, really? He's like, yeah. He's

00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:12.400
like, God just told me that's what you need to

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.800
do, so you better listen. I'm like, oh, what?

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.500
God just told you that? He's like, yeah. I'm

00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:21.219
like, okay, cool. And that's the thing. Man,

00:44:21.219 --> 00:44:24.139
I never met somebody who God just talked to him

00:44:24.139 --> 00:44:25.880
and he'd be like, oh, God just told me this.

00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.079
You need to listen. It's like, oh, whoa, okay.

00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.280
Just tune with the Holy Spirit. The thing when

00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.980
I had to leave, he's like, hey, God's been putting

00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:36.119
on your heart that you need to go find a new

00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.219
church. Why haven't you done it? I'm like, whoa,

00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.179
what? He's like, yeah, go do it. I'm like, where

00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:43.519
am I going to go? He's like, I don't know. He's

00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.079
like, go to a different church on Sunday. Go

00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.420
find somewhere new. Yeah. I mean, the guy married

00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:51.420
us too. So there's no hard feelings there at

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:57.460
all. I think his uncle, man. Yeah. Yeah. And

00:44:57.460 --> 00:45:00.659
I think it's, you know, and God provides and

00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:05.500
he, provision has been a big thing for me lately.

00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:10.300
So I, you know, you know, he's providing. So

00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:13.619
I don't know what else to say on that note. Well,

00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.190
if you're going to that. besides yeah just you

00:45:17.190 --> 00:45:22.269
know it's there you there's a grace to it you

00:45:22.269 --> 00:45:27.630
have to trust yeah I think a good way because

00:45:27.630 --> 00:45:30.750
we're on that topic church hurt is not a modern

00:45:30.750 --> 00:45:34.610
invention either it is a biblical tragedy for

00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:38.250
the sons of Eli to the Pharisees scripture is

00:45:38.250 --> 00:45:41.989
brutally honest about spiritual abuse however

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.099
The failure of the visible church, which is the

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:50.039
institution, never invalidates the reality of

00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.639
the invisible church, which is the true body

00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.380
of Christ, or the perfection of its head, Jesus.

00:45:56.619 --> 00:45:59.639
We do not leave the table just because Judas

00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.739
is sitting there. Ooh, ooh, wait, hold up, say

00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:06.539
that last part again. I said we do not leave

00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:09.619
the table just because Judas is sitting there.

00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:13.099
Oh my gosh, is somebody saying amen right now

00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:17.820
in their car? That is the most true statement

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:23.340
ever. Yeah, I think on our Gospel Truth Project

00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:26.960
Discord, I used the analogy, the church is a

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.400
construction site. It's loud, dangerous, messy,

00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.559
and there are falling hazards, but it's the only

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.539
place where the temple God is being built. Wear

00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:38.889
your hard hat, which is discernment. And keep

00:46:38.889 --> 00:46:41.630
your eyes on the architect who is Jesus and not

00:46:41.630 --> 00:46:46.190
the other clumsy workers. In that sense. But

00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:48.969
I put it that way in our chat. Why are we not

00:46:48.969 --> 00:46:52.909
making these into some dang t -shirts? I am going

00:46:52.909 --> 00:46:57.449
to. You better. I want one. My birthday coming

00:46:57.449 --> 00:47:00.769
up in like a month. You know that, homie. I need

00:47:00.769 --> 00:47:05.210
me that. I want to get one of them AI generated.

00:47:06.339 --> 00:47:08.760
Jesus as a supervisor pointed out and just had

00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.320
a bunch of people looking like, oh, you have

00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.739
maybe sheep. He's sheep. Oh, with hard hats on

00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:18.219
walking around. Oh my gosh. I'll have to do that.

00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.920
That would be pretty good. I am pending. I don't

00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:27.440
know what it's been. You're right. So they kind

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.159
of get, try to get back onto the topic of the,

00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.559
the faith works stuff. The one thing that I,

00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.539
I, I subscribe to in the sense is like, I know

00:47:35.539 --> 00:47:38.460
you, you, you subscribe to solo script or a pretty

00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:46.400
hardcore. I would assume. Am I wrong? No, never.

00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:51.280
I mean, you wrong. No, I, right. No, I, I, I

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.900
tend to stick with what's called prima scriptura,

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.340
but that means a scripture is the head. It is

00:47:57.340 --> 00:48:02.260
the guidance. And we are to study early church

00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:06.039
history to understand what they were dealing

00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.900
with. And they talk about these things not as

00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:13.039
authoritative, but as a way to kind of like,

00:48:13.059 --> 00:48:15.400
like as we would read a book today talking about

00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.760
scripture, they were there. Right. And, um, the

00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:21.920
only reason why I mentioned that is because when

00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.559
it comes to like faith and, um, works, some of

00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.119
the earliest, that we have that are from the

00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.019
early church fathers. For example, Clement of

00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:38.039
Rome, who was a disciple of Paul himself and

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.739
was mentioned in the Bible in Philippians 4 .3,

00:48:40.900 --> 00:48:45.840
he said, and we too, being called by his will

00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.519
in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves,

00:48:48.820 --> 00:48:52.039
nor by our own wisdom or understanding or godliness

00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.960
or works, which we have wrought in holiness of

00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.940
heart. but by the faith through which, from the

00:48:57.940 --> 00:49:00.940
beginning, Almighty God has justified all men.

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.300
Polycarpa Smyrna, who was a disciple of John,

00:49:06.579 --> 00:49:09.239
he came out and said, for by grace you are saved,

00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.300
not of works, but by the will of God through

00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:17.840
Jesus Christ. So, like, when you see... Polycarpa

00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:23.519
Smyrna. Smyrna, isn't that a church, too? uh,

00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.519
Smyrna. Yeah. It's where some of the oldest churches

00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.579
are there. So it's like, isn't that one of the

00:49:28.579 --> 00:49:31.440
churches that's mentioned in the, in the revelation?

00:49:33.099 --> 00:49:36.599
Uh, yeah. So like, that's part of it. There's

00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.659
a lot of that kind of stuff too. Uh, you can

00:49:39.659 --> 00:49:43.380
see a lot of these churches. Yeah. I was like,

00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.920
wait, I know that one. I'm like, I remember that

00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.039
one. No, we're going to Sunday school back on

00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.460
my brother. We were had to do like in churches

00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:53.710
and stuff. Yeah. I don't know why that, it was

00:49:53.710 --> 00:49:56.769
a funny sounding name. That's why. Yeah. Smyrna.

00:49:56.969 --> 00:49:59.489
I think that's interesting because like, that's

00:49:59.489 --> 00:50:01.949
where you can see, this is where I talk with

00:50:01.949 --> 00:50:04.389
Catholics and Orthodox all the time, not to try

00:50:04.389 --> 00:50:06.769
to pull them to my camp and what I believe, but

00:50:06.769 --> 00:50:09.309
just to talk to them and discuss because they

00:50:09.309 --> 00:50:13.010
hang so hard on the founding fathers of Christianity

00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:16.070
as truth. And then you see stuff like this, where

00:50:16.070 --> 00:50:19.059
they're like, for grace you are saved out of

00:50:19.059 --> 00:50:21.500
works. And they're so hardcore about it within

00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:25.059
the first hundred years of Christianity. And

00:50:25.059 --> 00:50:27.099
these are some of the ones that they quote the

00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:28.940
most, but then they ignore some other stuff,

00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.460
but they're backing their stuff up with scripture

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:35.980
from the apostles who taught them. It's like,

00:50:36.099 --> 00:50:38.719
this is something important where it's like,

00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.380
well, why are you saying yes to some and no to

00:50:41.380 --> 00:50:45.530
others? And for those who don't, Believe me,

00:50:45.610 --> 00:50:48.650
this is where you go to. Do you know the Council

00:50:48.650 --> 00:50:54.150
of Trent by chance or no? No. Okay, that's fine.

00:50:54.309 --> 00:51:04.130
I've heard of it, but I know roughly. Yeah. I

00:51:04.130 --> 00:51:07.530
know what you're saying because I'm not going

00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:10.550
to be a liar. Yeah, I get you. Council of Trent

00:51:10.550 --> 00:51:14.190
was the Catholics' response to Luther's sola

00:51:14.190 --> 00:51:19.050
fide, which is faith alone. In canon 9 of that,

00:51:19.190 --> 00:51:23.090
they pronounced anybody like an anathema for

00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:25.469
anyone who says a sinner is justified by faith

00:51:25.469 --> 00:51:28.309
alone, implying that human cooperation and merit

00:51:28.309 --> 00:51:32.429
are required to preserve grace. The critique

00:51:32.429 --> 00:51:35.289
here, obviously, is that Trent conflated justification,

00:51:35.889 --> 00:51:39.760
our legal standing, with sanctification which

00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:43.199
is our eternal growth by mixing our works into

00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:47.219
the basis of our acceptance they remove the assurance

00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:51.159
of salvation so and if my standing depends on

00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.360
my works i can never know if i have done enough

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.679
so this is where you can see people who generally

00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.900
have faith in christ you say i do you know if

00:51:58.900 --> 00:52:02.860
you're saved yes my salvation is solidified by

00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:05.599
the works that jesus did not by the works i do

00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.340
When they say, I don't know, then you have to

00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:12.619
ask, is it because you haven't done enough? Or

00:52:12.619 --> 00:52:15.820
why do you believe you don't know for sure? Usually

00:52:15.820 --> 00:52:17.679
they'll say, because I don't know if I'm good

00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.360
enough. It's like, this is where you're focusing

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.739
separately. Focus on Christ. Christ is center.

00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:28.420
Christ is king. And he did the work. You are

00:52:28.420 --> 00:52:32.739
in response to that work. And your response is

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:36.719
belief and obedience. not for salvific purposes,

00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:39.639
but in a response to the salvation that's offered

00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.480
by grace through faith. And that's kind of like

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.199
the beautiful, like lineage of how scripture

00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:51.460
talks about that consistently. Yeah. I'm so glad

00:52:51.460 --> 00:52:53.500
that you just described that. And I didn't because,

00:52:53.579 --> 00:52:58.519
uh, yeah, I would have bought shit. So, yeah,

00:52:58.539 --> 00:53:04.719
but yeah, it's, It's so true, though, because

00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:12.000
it literally, I mean, I think of the good works,

00:53:12.099 --> 00:53:15.559
you know, mean nothing if you don't have faith.

00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.000
And, you know, I just really think it is come

00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.559
down to your faith. And does your faith show

00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.340
it? Do you have the fruit? Is it really bare?

00:53:25.340 --> 00:53:29.860
You know, or is your, you know, or is your. be

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:32.880
your spiritual free is it is it wilting or is

00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.139
it need pruning you know i think there's a lot

00:53:36.139 --> 00:53:40.079
that goes into it and i think that's a really

00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:43.440
good i mean right and like everything you just

00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.480
said that was like really that's really good

00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.679
it just goes a little more and the detail without

00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:57.820
like all of that it's just yeah i think uh someone

00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.019
This was one of the conversations I had with

00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:04.179
an Anglican talking about, well, what about repentance?

00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:07.980
That's a work. That's something you do. And my

00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:10.900
answer to that was that repentance is not a work

00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:13.440
that earns salvation. It is a posture required

00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.860
to receive it. Faith and repentance are two sides

00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.980
of the single coin called conversion. You cannot

00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:24.440
turn toward God, faith, without simultaneously

00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.050
turning away. from sin which is repentance so

00:54:29.050 --> 00:54:31.949
this is where i started talking to him about

00:54:31.949 --> 00:54:35.889
let's define the terms because metanoia is the

00:54:35.889 --> 00:54:39.510
the word used um when i was talking about like

00:54:39.510 --> 00:54:45.070
um what's it called it's like the repentance

00:54:45.070 --> 00:54:47.889
word metanoia is repentance is what this word

00:54:47.889 --> 00:54:51.250
is in original greek so It literally just means

00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:53.429
a change of mind. That's the literal definition

00:54:53.429 --> 00:54:55.570
of metanoia is change of mind. That's what we

00:54:55.570 --> 00:54:58.789
get repentance from. It's not just feeling sorry

00:54:58.789 --> 00:55:06.050
like Judas had because that's metamalomia, metamomai,

00:55:06.210 --> 00:55:09.590
something like that. But it is a fundamental

00:55:09.590 --> 00:55:13.329
shift in worldview. It is agreeing with God that

00:55:13.329 --> 00:55:16.829
you are a sinner and this sin is deadly. Even

00:55:16.829 --> 00:55:18.829
with the Hebrew word, when it talks about it

00:55:18.829 --> 00:55:22.869
in the Old Testament, like shiv is the word,

00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:26.269
it's a change of mind that leads to a change

00:55:26.269 --> 00:55:29.210
of direction. So, we see those two words combining,

00:55:29.349 --> 00:55:32.250
making what that looks like when it's describing

00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:34.510
these and referring to each other, or at least

00:55:34.510 --> 00:55:36.690
Greek referring back to the Hebrew word of it.

00:55:37.250 --> 00:55:45.030
So, this is where Mark 115 says that the time

00:55:45.030 --> 00:55:47.599
is fulfilled. and the kingdom of God is at hand,

00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.119
repent and believe in the gospel. Both verbs

00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.739
are present imperatives, they're commands, right?

00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.400
And Jesus does not offer them as multiple choice

00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.420
options. He does not say repent or believe. He

00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:04.900
links them like indubitably, like they are there.

00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.860
They're one in the same coin kind of thing. Yeah,

00:56:09.019 --> 00:56:14.139
I mean, that's very much so true because yeah

00:56:14.139 --> 00:56:17.179
the reprint like i like that you know and everything

00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:18.699
you keep saying it sounds like a lot of greek

00:56:18.699 --> 00:56:23.119
to me yeah i might watch it because i read it

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.199
more than anything like i read it and so i'm

00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.460
like i thought that's how you pronounce it but

00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:30.639
i do have a book i need to start learning greek

00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.559
where it actually has the how to pronounce these

00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.900
things so i want to start learning so i do apologize

00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:39.780
i botched words before like the didache, which

00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:43.000
is early Christian doctrine. I botched it earlier

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.860
when we first started talking about it and said

00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:49.400
didache. I called it didache, but it's didache.

00:56:50.219 --> 00:56:52.780
Because it has a ch there, but in that Greek

00:56:52.780 --> 00:56:56.940
it's a k instead of k. So, I'm learning. So,

00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.519
that's why I'm here apologizing for your Greek.

00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:04.940
I've been butchering English my first language

00:57:04.940 --> 00:57:09.210
for almost 32 years. Yeah, that's great. No,

00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:16.929
but yeah, there are two sides of the same coin.

00:57:17.610 --> 00:57:26.090
Honestly, like you have to have both. Yeah, go

00:57:26.090 --> 00:57:31.070
for it. You're saying it's not an aside or or,

00:57:31.070 --> 00:57:34.610
you know, you can have one or the other. It's.

00:57:34.969 --> 00:57:38.989
and it's a connecting it's a connection between

00:57:38.989 --> 00:57:43.869
the two it's just yeah i i like that that was

00:57:43.869 --> 00:57:46.449
a really good analogy well let me give another

00:57:46.449 --> 00:57:49.590
one see for somebody that might have a hard time

00:57:49.590 --> 00:57:53.989
think of it like the hand of a beggar right imagine

00:57:53.989 --> 00:57:56.809
a beggar holding a cup of poison which in this

00:57:56.809 --> 00:57:59.530
case would be sin you offer him a cup of pure

00:57:59.530 --> 00:58:02.650
water in this instance christ to receive the

00:58:02.650 --> 00:58:07.110
water he must drop the poison. So, the logic

00:58:07.110 --> 00:58:09.510
is that dropping the poison, which is repentance,

00:58:09.769 --> 00:58:13.989
is not like a meritous work. The beggar doesn't

00:58:13.989 --> 00:58:16.210
say, I have earned the water because I did the

00:58:16.210 --> 00:58:18.989
hard labor of dropping the cup. The reality is

00:58:18.989 --> 00:58:21.070
that dropping the cup is simply the necessary

00:58:21.070 --> 00:58:24.369
act of reception. You cannot hold on to your

00:58:24.369 --> 00:58:27.469
sin and hold on to Jesus at the same time. This

00:58:27.469 --> 00:58:30.269
is a constant reminder in Galatians 5. James

00:58:30.269 --> 00:58:34.460
talks about it. Romans talks about it. is consistent

00:58:34.460 --> 00:58:38.239
so that's i think that's also another analogy

00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.739
to kind of wrap your mind around that because

00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:44.860
i know it's it's a concept it's quite the concept

00:58:44.860 --> 00:58:49.579
yeah i think that's actually yeah it's definitely

00:58:49.579 --> 00:58:52.940
a concept i think it's a good analogy or like

00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:58.340
you're saying earlier is there's people who oh

00:58:58.340 --> 00:59:01.519
yeah i'm a christian but they want to hang on

00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:05.949
to their cup yeah And unfortunately, that is,

00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:12.309
I think, you know, it's like I say, it all goes

00:59:12.309 --> 00:59:15.369
into kind of the same groupiness. People that

00:59:15.369 --> 00:59:18.230
they're comfortable in their sin and they want

00:59:18.230 --> 00:59:22.070
to stay where they're at. It also goes into the

00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:24.909
people I feel like, you know, in a sense, the

00:59:24.909 --> 00:59:28.929
Chris Easterns, you know, they show up a little

00:59:28.929 --> 00:59:31.130
before Christmas, a little after Christmas, a

00:59:31.130 --> 00:59:34.960
little before Easter. a little after Easter it's

00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.480
to give the appearance and to show oh yes look

00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:43.480
at me I'm a Christian I believe I'm you know

00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:47.219
but the problem with it all is that it's a heart

00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:50.360
thing and if your heart doesn't show it then

00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.440
you ain't getting it like it's not because God

00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.239
knows your soul he knows he knows what you're

00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.099
thinking what you're actually you know doing

01:00:00.099 --> 01:00:04.309
behind closed doors you know it is it's the truth

01:00:04.309 --> 01:00:05.929
and it's the same thing like you know like if

01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:08.789
your fruit is not produced produce anything good

01:00:08.789 --> 01:00:13.409
you're not you know it's like everything we're

01:00:13.409 --> 01:00:16.010
talking about it's not gonna show you're not

01:00:16.010 --> 01:00:18.769
gonna it's bummer like you know you get there

01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:22.809
oh yeah i got i i did good things i had good

01:00:22.809 --> 01:00:27.050
works all right okay yeah you did you did some

01:00:27.050 --> 01:00:30.250
good things oh You went on a mission with the

01:00:30.250 --> 01:00:34.230
church. Wow, you're helpless people. But was

01:00:34.230 --> 01:00:37.090
that just to show and act like, oh yeah, look,

01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:40.309
I believe I do these things? Or was it because

01:00:40.309 --> 01:00:44.650
you actually... Like a response to... Your response

01:00:44.650 --> 01:00:49.110
to knowing it? Or was it just something cool

01:00:49.110 --> 01:00:54.030
to say you did? Right. Our first service we ever

01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:58.679
did, I was literally in Mexico. Like, you know,

01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:06.139
and I was the last person I did not. I do now,

01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:09.300
but I never had the travel bug. I'm like, I don't

01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:11.800
want to go nowhere. I want to stay in my little

01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.579
podunk town. I don't want to, you know, I want

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:19.960
to stay in my little, you know, my little town

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.420
where I know everybody. I know everything. Everything's

01:01:22.420 --> 01:01:27.550
fine. You know, I, you know, I. live right down

01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:30.550
the block from the place where i grew up from

01:01:30.550 --> 01:01:34.730
i don't have to you know i have my gas pump i

01:01:34.730 --> 01:01:36.929
go to every time i get gas everything's nice

01:01:36.929 --> 01:01:41.550
and simple yeah and then i heard about the mission

01:01:41.550 --> 01:01:45.289
trip to mexico and i'm like what okay cool me

01:01:45.289 --> 01:01:48.130
not knowing anything about it signed up last

01:01:48.130 --> 01:01:50.429
minute because somebody had paid for me if i

01:01:50.429 --> 01:01:56.230
wanted to go and I did not know that I would

01:01:56.230 --> 01:01:59.869
have to be on a plane. And that was, I was like,

01:01:59.889 --> 01:02:01.650
well, I've never flown. I don't want to go on

01:02:01.650 --> 01:02:02.989
this plane. What are you talking about? I thought

01:02:02.989 --> 01:02:05.289
we're driving. I was reading to driving the car

01:02:05.289 --> 01:02:09.170
for hours. Right. What do you mean? And, you

01:02:09.170 --> 01:02:12.869
know, now I'm really just fully trusting the

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God. Yeah. And I'm thinking like, man, now I

01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:21.639
would love to, you know, every time now I'm like,

01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.460
yeah, I want to go. I want to do it. Because

01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:26.579
now it's in my heart. It's in that, you know,

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it's that want to serve and do those things.

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And once you get a taste of it, whether it's,

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you know, teaching or whether it's serving in

01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.920
some way you can serve or, you know, being in

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the word or whatever it is that, you know, or

01:02:44.019 --> 01:02:47.360
worship. fills your soul up it makes you think

01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:52.800
yes i want more like in those works you actually

01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.719
get to do then that is different right and that's

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the difference is what god will know is when

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he asks you hey did you do work did you you know

01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.639
do you have faith but did you do work for me

01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:08.920
you know all right how did you respond to me

01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.670
how did you respond Yeah. Or he's like, you know,

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I've never really been on a plane. That sounds

01:03:14.670 --> 01:03:20.750
like a lot of work. Right. This is where I think

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the hard. Yeah. I think this is where the hard

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truth would be. If your faith hasn't changed

01:03:28.650 --> 01:03:31.449
your life, it hasn't saved your soul because

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you cannot be. indwelt by the Holy Spirit and

01:03:35.659 --> 01:03:37.719
remain comfortable. That was another good line

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right there by Jason, everybody. Let's hear it

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one more time with an instant replay, Jason.

01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.380
Go. If your faith hasn't changed your life, it

01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:50.159
hasn't saved your soul because you cannot indwelt

01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.980
by the Holy Spirit and remain comfortable in

01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:56.480
the same old sins. The Spirit is not a squatter.

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He is a renovator. You know, gosh dang it, man.

01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:04.219
All these, I like all this. You know, Jesus was

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a carpenter, so it makes sense to have all the

01:04:06.539 --> 01:04:09.539
analogies. You've been talking too much with

01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:14.440
your brother -in -law. No. No, I just, yeah,

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.219
they're right. No, in this instance, my book

01:04:17.219 --> 01:04:20.659
is a lot of this stuff. All right, shout out.

01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:27.860
You made it this far. Have a popcorn on me. Yeah,

01:04:27.900 --> 01:04:31.800
it's like a... I think we'll start to wrap it

01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.400
up here because I know it's getting late, but

01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:38.039
it's been late. Yeah, it's been late. I think

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faith and repentance are not two steps on a ladder.

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They are two motions of the same heart, turning

01:04:43.820 --> 01:04:46.300
your back on self repentance to fall into the

01:04:46.300 --> 01:04:51.039
arms of Christ with faith. And I think that's

01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.280
something important here. I think we touched

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.019
up on a lot of those topics and a lot of like

01:04:55.019 --> 01:05:00.610
how to kind of maneuver around this. This is

01:05:00.610 --> 01:05:03.690
where I highly recommend doing your research.

01:05:03.889 --> 01:05:06.449
I highly recommend joining the Gospel Truth Project

01:05:06.449 --> 01:05:09.309
Discord because this is where we have forums

01:05:09.309 --> 01:05:11.150
to talk about this, chats to talk about this,

01:05:11.190 --> 01:05:13.670
Bible studies to talk about this, etc. This is

01:05:13.670 --> 01:05:18.429
where we discuss and talk and chat. Dylan asked

01:05:18.429 --> 01:05:23.550
me to tell people to get my book, which is on

01:05:23.550 --> 01:05:27.530
Amazon. Do it. Do it. Read. Reading is good for

01:05:27.530 --> 01:05:31.130
you. uh he wanted me i wouldn't know because

01:05:31.130 --> 01:05:34.849
i do audiobooks but reading is good for you that's

01:05:34.849 --> 01:05:37.610
what my wife tells me he told me to mention that

01:05:37.610 --> 01:05:41.750
it won an award so it won a christian literature

01:05:41.750 --> 01:05:45.949
award called the chris lit award and um it got

01:05:45.949 --> 01:05:50.070
a recommendation from the owner and the the operator

01:05:50.070 --> 01:05:53.710
of chris lit award ceremonies to write a letter

01:05:53.710 --> 01:05:58.360
of recommendation on top of my book saying that

01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.340
they didn't know what they were going to expect

01:06:00.340 --> 01:06:03.679
when going into my book and said that they are

01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.380
recommending everybody reads my book and they

01:06:06.380 --> 01:06:08.320
go into a lot more detail it's like a full -on

01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.860
letter i wasn't expecting the letter of like

01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:13.619
talking about my book and how they were changed

01:06:13.619 --> 01:06:17.940
by a lot of it um because my book kind of gave

01:06:17.940 --> 01:06:19.960
the idea it's topical it's just like each chapter

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.019
is a topic that is common christian topics and

01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:28.760
going in depth with uh personal conviction biblical

01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:32.980
conviction early church writings and then conclusion

01:06:32.980 --> 01:06:35.460
and worldly conviction like what the world says

01:06:35.460 --> 01:06:38.239
about those topics and kind of goes across all

01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.199
the board across the board on those things um

01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.300
but yeah no that's that's pretty much everything

01:06:43.300 --> 01:06:45.119
i want to touch up on i don't know if you have

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.920
any final parting scenes that was really good

01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.780
so yeah basically what what you're hearing guys

01:06:50.780 --> 01:06:55.820
is that jason's book It's basically like a podcast

01:06:55.820 --> 01:06:59.880
per chapter. So if you do enjoy this podcast,

01:07:00.059 --> 01:07:03.880
get his book. And I'm not getting any kickbacks

01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:05.760
from this book. I don't even know if Jason's

01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:10.739
getting any kickbacks from this book, but I just,

01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:12.780
you know, definitely, you know, we want to support,

01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:17.559
you know, him and maybe I'll have to write a

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.960
book too. And then we can see who wins. And who

01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:24.480
gets worse sales? No, I just... I've given my

01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.900
book out for free to so many people because they've

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:30.380
reached out and said, oh, I'd love to buy your

01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:34.860
book. Because audiobooks is recently coming out.

01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:41.000
Yeah, I know you. I know you. You want the audio.

01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:45.210
I get it. I get it. I need the audio. I'll get

01:07:45.210 --> 01:07:48.769
you. I just read a lot. I'm like, what did I

01:07:48.769 --> 01:07:51.110
just read? Oh my God. Crap. I got to read it

01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:54.349
again. That's why I can have my notes open on

01:07:54.349 --> 01:07:57.469
the, I hear on the, on the computer. I'm like,

01:07:57.510 --> 01:07:59.230
I just read them three times. I'm just going

01:07:59.230 --> 01:08:01.269
to have this spit ball when I'm thinking right

01:08:01.269 --> 01:08:05.030
now. Yeah. I think the only thing I'll, I'll

01:08:05.030 --> 01:08:08.570
do an excerpt for everybody is that in a nobody's

01:08:08.570 --> 01:08:11.110
opinion. I wrote that grace without obedience

01:08:11.110 --> 01:08:14.150
isn't biblical. It's just a hall pass. When we

01:08:14.150 --> 01:08:17.329
look at the Greek with word metanoia, repentance,

01:08:17.550 --> 01:08:20.350
we see it's a change of mind that leads to a

01:08:20.350 --> 01:08:22.909
change of action. If your grace doesn't lead

01:08:22.909 --> 01:08:25.029
to a new life, it is not the grace of the Bible.

01:08:25.130 --> 01:08:29.770
It's the grace of modern tradition. Snaps. Snaps.

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It's just, yeah, so I... That's why I recommend

01:08:35.470 --> 01:08:38.050
reading it. Otherwise go to our blog, gospel

01:08:38.050 --> 01:08:41.069
truth project .com. We also, a lot of the topics

01:08:41.069 --> 01:08:43.489
I talk about in the book are from the blog because

01:08:43.489 --> 01:08:45.470
I wanted to expand on a little bit longer. So

01:08:45.470 --> 01:08:48.770
check those out. Those are free. So if you really

01:08:48.770 --> 01:08:51.289
can't afford it and go on there, you can read

01:08:51.289 --> 01:08:54.170
it. If you're like me and you like free. Right.

01:08:54.770 --> 01:09:01.529
Blog on the GTP. I was smooth and I was so proud

01:09:01.529 --> 01:09:07.729
of myself. Yeah. Anyways, I think this is a good

01:09:07.729 --> 01:09:09.569
place to end it. We've been recording for a while.

01:09:09.689 --> 01:09:12.850
It is now 1 .30 a .m., so it should probably

01:09:12.850 --> 01:09:16.670
get up. No, it says 12 .21. No. 12 .21. Yeah,

01:09:16.729 --> 01:09:21.270
no, it's 1 .21 here, and I get up at 7 .30 so

01:09:21.270 --> 01:09:25.850
I can get to work. I can wake up whenever the

01:09:25.850 --> 01:09:30.869
kids wake up. That's a good point. 4 .30. Yeah.

01:09:31.789 --> 01:09:33.989
Well, hey, do you want to pray us out and call

01:09:33.989 --> 01:09:38.369
it a night? Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Okay.

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Let's see if I got this still. Okay. Dear Heavenly

01:09:43.689 --> 01:09:46.109
Father, I just thank you for the opportunity

01:09:46.109 --> 01:09:48.489
that we have to do this, Lord. I just thank you

01:09:48.489 --> 01:09:50.149
for everyone who's going to hear this, Lord.

01:09:50.829 --> 01:09:56.810
And I just pray that after hearing this, we would

01:09:56.810 --> 01:10:04.770
shift our mindsets to Make sure that we are actively

01:10:04.770 --> 01:10:12.329
doing work for you and not just saying we believe,

01:10:12.510 --> 01:10:15.909
but actually showing how we believe so that our

01:10:15.909 --> 01:10:18.229
works and our fruit will show it and we will

01:10:18.229 --> 01:10:22.770
produce good things for your kingdom. We just

01:10:22.770 --> 01:10:26.090
pray and lift up everyone who needs prayer right

01:10:26.090 --> 01:10:30.670
now, Lord, for healing, that you would provide

01:10:30.670 --> 01:10:34.630
healing. And that anybody who needs finances,

01:10:34.649 --> 01:10:38.810
they would provide finances. I just thank you,

01:10:38.829 --> 01:10:40.390
Lord, for the opportunity that we have to do

01:10:40.390 --> 01:10:44.550
this, Lord. I just thank you for Jason. And I

01:10:44.550 --> 01:10:49.670
just thank you, Lord, for everything. And yeah,

01:10:51.430 --> 01:10:54.569
you are the great provider. And you give us the

01:10:54.569 --> 01:10:57.789
grace. And you give us salvation. And I pray

01:10:57.789 --> 01:11:00.460
anybody who is... wanting to receive you right

01:11:00.460 --> 01:11:04.380
now lord how they would receive you lord and

01:11:04.380 --> 01:11:07.079
they would accept you into their heart and get

01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.000
to know you as lord and savior if they have any

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:14.220
questions don't let them be constricted by fear

01:11:14.220 --> 01:11:21.260
but let them have a a wonder and uh intriguing

01:11:21.260 --> 01:11:24.399
mind to ask out for those questions that they

01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:28.300
want to receive and they need uh Just pray this

01:11:28.300 --> 01:11:34.039
in your name. Amen. Amen. Alrighty. Well, thank

01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:35.680
you for listening to the gospel truth project.

01:11:35.819 --> 01:11:37.880
Uh, again, we're going to see what we can record

01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.399
when we can record, but glad we got another episode

01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:46.220
out to continue going forward. Yeah, for reals.

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Yeah. All right. Cool. Well, we'll see you all

01:11:49.539 --> 01:11:53.800
in the next episode. See y 'all. Bye.