Welcome to the Gospel Truth Project Podcast.
I'm your host Jason and I am here with my co-host Dylan.
What's up?
How are you doing today Dylan?
I am doing good.
It's a nice day, just relaxing, getting ready to Arizona to go visit somebody.
Oh really?
Who is that somebody?
That'd be you.
I mean, okay, say visit.
We're going to see you guys.
We're doing our honeymoon.
Just figure if we're going out there, might as well say, hey, hang out a little bit.
And then me and the wife can go explore.
Go explore the nature out there.
So yeah, it's actually interesting because this weekend is going to be the coolest it's
been this whole summer.
And thank the Lord.
Yeah.
Cause like in Arizona, literally for months, I think about two months now, it's been consistently
over 110 every single day, like nonstop.
And so to this weekend tomorrow, East Coast, yeah, it's supposed to be only 98 degrees
tomorrow.
It's the first time under a hundred degrees in the summer.
Oh my gosh.
I'm sitting there going like, hit like 78 and one like, so hot.
I dropped like 10 pounds.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's hot, but I might see the two twenties again.
Yep.
There you go.
Yeah, it's, it's hot here, but I, it'll be fun weekend for sure.
Yeah, it's, it's been interesting.
Like you may have been experimenting with like recording videos.
So if anybody listening, just know that we might actually start doing videos on YouTube.
And I'm actually working with my distributor that's talking with Spotify and trying to
get us the videos on Spotify.
I don't know if you've seen that before, but I'd rather be one of the podcast people that
start off doing videos on Spotify and be exclusive videos on Spotify because they're really cool.
It's really cool.
Yeah, it's really cool.
And it works out and Spotify is doing it with a couple of different podcasts already.
So it's, it's really cool feature.
I like it.
I think that might be good.
I know a lot of people watch on YouTube, but if you got the Spotify app, it's really cool
to watch there too.
So you guys can see why we both have faces for radio.
He's like, you know, he does, he does radio and doesn't do televisions because he has
a face for radio.
It's like, why don't you have a church?
No, there's a reason they won't let me step up into the head pastoral.
No.
On stage, you walk or you have to go out there.
I'm like, I don't have to do with my hands.
Like, you know, what is that Ricky Bobby?
Hands are upside.
Put your hands down.
I don't know what to do with my hands.
Oprah.
Perfect.
No, but yeah.
I sidetracked already.
I know, but it's so good.
It's the start end of the episode.
You got sidetracked a little bit.
I know you, I know you saw it for gospel truth project.
We're going to have actual Spotify playlist that you can click on if I like genres.
So like a GTP, EDM, GTP, rap, GTP.
I thought I forgot what the oh metal.
Yeah, metal.
Mm hmm.
But the reason behind that is because I was listening to this podcast guy that I listened
to and he was saying that in this world today, there's a lot of music out there that has
a lot of filth and it's just promoting and pushing worldly wants, desires and and stuff.
That's not a godly living life.
That's not to say that all music out there that's not Christian is is not good to listen
to because there's some fun songs that are just clean lyrics that are just talking and
have stories or something like that.
But there's a lot of filth out there that just that just speaks to you and at you about
you know, sex here, sex that this type of thing, this type of thing, drugs, money, guns,
violence and it's really bad.
Like as a youth pastor, OK, guys, hey, what song do you guys want to listen to if you're
doing like music?
My it has to be clean.
I have nothing bad in it.
I'm like, let me let me show you where it's at because I've been listening to Christian
music.
You know, when like Christian rap was, you know, like DC talk.
I've seen this bad.
It just, you know, it's not like today, like we have, like, you know, the one on six click,
you know, like no big deal.
Right. People that are.
Really good.
It sounds like, oh, wow, this sounds like an actual rapper.
It doesn't sound like Jesus is so cool.
Yo, show.
Oh, it's.
Well, it's like it's like.
It's it's progressed like Christian music has gotten better over over time where it's
like it's hard to distinguish if it's Christian or not.
You know, it just does from like when we were growing up.
Take it like, oh, yeah, school early 2000s.
What it is now.
You have Christian more hot pop and stuff like that.
Or we had Family Force five.
Yeah, I love family force five.
I still do.
It's the slaps.
Yeah, you get a very.
It's like it's like, oh, my gosh.
This was this was a little rough.
And then I showed to the youth group and they're like, oh, like, you listen to this.
I'm like, this was great.
I don't think I understand.
We didn't have we didn't have what we have today.
No, no.
And I'm excited.
I mean, like, yeah, just for the words, it's still going like a Christian rap one.
I don't think I have a particular favorite genre of music, but I do.
It's Christian rap really is.
I mean, NF NF is like a Christian artist.
You listen to his stuff and it's just like it's straight fire.
And you're like, wow, he is.
I was listening to him on the way over to record on radio.
Yeah, I he NF was actually in Phoenix last week.
He was he was here.
He's doing his door right now.
Yeah, he was here.
Right.
I was going to get tickets, but then I got married and that was more of the priority.
Yeah, he was here and he had like 15000 people in his concert here and which was his biggest
concert so far.
But it's really cool to see like it.
Yeah, it just comes down to like Christian music has progressed to be very high quality,
more mainstream, more well known.
Like if you say Lecrae, if someone listens to rap, they're like, oh, I know a couple
of stuff.
I like NF 21 Pilots like that that are Christian based.
And it's like, oh, well, right.
Who's seeing lyrics that not necessarily have to be worship or not necessarily have to be
founded around the Bible, but have positive lyrics and like story and stuff like that.
That's not bringing customers.
That's not bringing sex, drugs and whatever into the music, especially with like you got
songs out there by like Cardi B and other songs like that where people are like, especially
I'm sure you see our youth listen to it all the time.
You're just like, oh, yeah, you know, WAP.
I love that song.
It's such a catchy beat.
And it's just like, I can't stand that stuff.
I can't stand this stuff.
It makes me cringe.
And I don't know that this is me being said like, you know, like some of this like, like
the beats and stuff.
Yeah, they sound it's catchy.
But like, it's like, if it's not, I don't know.
I don't care for all those artists because it's like, I'm like, it's just it's me.
Like, I don't know.
For me, I'm like, it's just garbage.
Like because the lyrics I don't want to hear about.
Well, when you listen to music, like you're kind of in a calmer state.
Usually it's just like I need to unwind or it's metal.
And it's, you know, it's like 110 on the freeway all the way.
It's you.
So it's like with music, you're kind of like the idea is that it's one way that media influences
people more than they think is because music is such an emotional connection and connecting
that to just consistent like stuff of the world is is going to make you think more along
the lines of the world and that kind of mentality.
So with our playlist that we've creating and we'll add more obviously over time, like rock
and worship and whatever.
But as as there's music out there, we're dedicating time to create playlists that are high end,
high quality, like triple A quality stuff that is Christian based people or artists
that are bringing a positive, less worldly feel to a lot of their stuff.
And these guys like there was on the EDM, there's an artist called Louis Brazil.
I don't know if you ever heard of him.
His music is so yes, I have.
Yeah.
His music is super like rave culture kind of feel to it.
And it's so much fun.
And he's had concerts with like 30, 40,000 people.
And like he's just done that.
And people like this is awesome.
And his work, his music is like there's a lot of songs that he did that are like Yahweh
and Adonai and like he's really cool lyrics to it.
But people who don't know, they're just like, cool.
So yeah, it's it's it's really cool to see that there's a lot of Christian artists progressing.
I'm on that playlist.
I'll just say, yeah, like you guys, Jason is a makes EDM music on a sonic.
I've been there watching do it.
Upped out a little bit.
So like he he has he's like, I don't know, I'm going to say music genius.
I don't know.
Music producer, I just producer.
Yeah.
Like the guy plays like 30 something instruments.
He knows music like listen to it.
These playlists like we really just want to make it fun and we want to make it.
So he said there's a good music to listen to that is clean and is going to be uplifting.
And you know, sometimes I feel like you can get in moods when you listen to music like
if you listen to music, that's you know, not it's going to be not glorified edifying and
sometimes going to be more, you know, this world, it can take you down.
Right.
The NF has some really depressing songs.
And there's times where, you know, like I'm sad, we listen to some NF, but it's still,
you know, it has a biblical basis, which I think is important because if you're grounded
and rooted in that, it'll help you those times.
If you're not a believer or something always different about the Christian music and not
that it's quality, but not always, not always there is a lyric and you know, the things
behind it.
You know, in a sense, those who are those people who are making music, you're kind of
hell, I think they should be held accountable a little bit like those who are, I'd say,
maybe teachers and leaders in the worship in with music, you know, that's what we're
going to talk about today is teaching and leadership and preaching and teaching with
your words, which ties in with the music, I think a little bit because there's worship
leaders, worship pastors.
And I mean, this is your episode, Sasha, that you go ahead and kick it off now.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing.
So like over the last couple of weeks, we talked about humility, we talked about serving.
And now in this instance, I was talking to somebody on a Facebook group that I talked
to.
It's like apologetics Facebook group.
And the apologetics Facebook group was talking about someone asked a question about like,
should it says to go out and preach the word, but then it says not everybody should be teachers.
Why is this a thing?
Should we or should we not talk about the Bible?
How do we know if we're okay to, etc.
That kind of ideology and they were asking those questions.
Like, I'm new to this.
Like, please explain.
And I texted Dylan shortly after I saw that I'm like, do we need to talk about teaching
and preaching because there is a difference between teaching and preaching and everyone's
called the one and some are called the other.
Yes, exactly.
I think everybody, everybody, your faith, you are your you should be sharing it.
Mm hmm.
And yeah, I'm excited for this one.
As yeah, as a pastor.
No, yeah, for you.
It should scare you a little bit.
Oh gosh.
No, are you kidding me?
As a kid, I mean, I always be like, hey, I'm going to be a pastor someday.
I'm going to be a youth pastor.
I'm called to do it.
And people were like, OK, we'll be praying for that.
And people I've had, you know, prophesied for me like, yeah, you're going to teach,
you're going to be a teacher.
You're going to teach the youth.
And yeah, I was going like, oh man, I don't know.
That was like at 12 years old.
I wanted it.
And I remember people going like, you know, in high school, they're like, what's your
game plan?
What are you going to do?
In the future?
I'm like, I'm going to be a pastor.
And then you need an actual game plan.
I'm like, that is my game plan.
Yep.
And then, you know, I started doing that at 21.
Yep.
So that's all.
I remember for a while.
Yeah.
I remember we went to I don't know if you went with us to there was a conference called
Acquire the Fire.
I don't know if you remember that fire.
What was this like 10 years ago?
It was a while.
I remember when we went there, they broke us up in the small groups based on like, like
seating area, whatever.
It was a big thing.
And when we got to the small groups, it was probably like 80 of us.
They had so many rooms to that church and they're like 80 people, 80 to 100 people per
small group.
And it was really cool.
And I remember the after we did our thing and everything, the leader at the time that
was teaching came up to me and was like, hey, I wanted to share with you that I feel like
on your family, like didn't know me, obviously, we're way out of town.
Like I don't know if this is true or not, but I feel like you come from a family of
pastors.
And I feel like that's something that you you might fall into place down the road.
And God has a calling for you there, whether that be a lead a church, multiple churches
or established churches.
I don't know, but I feel like that's a calling on your life.
And without even knowing me, like my dad, my dad's dad, my uncle's, my grandparents,
like everybody, all pastors.
And it was just kind of cool to be able to see that kind of person come up and like,
I don't know who the frick you are or what's your background.
But to be fair, though, to tell you to be fair, there was a sign on his back that said
pastors kid says BK.
So they just automatically knew.
No, that's like a spirit.
It's a spiritual sign.
This is a sign.
P.K. I just assume that kid volunteer him.
That's another thing is that, you know, I are being told to like at eight of 12 and
13.
So like, if you go down this route, you're going to be judged.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, that that's terrifying.
Oh, it is scary.
In a sense, like it's one thing to be like, yes, I believe I know where I'm going.
I'm like, I'm solidified in that.
I know I know Christ.
I'm an expert, except I didn't forgive him.
He forgiven me.
Yeah.
Him did nothing.
I think they do any wrong.
But like, I think of that and I'm going like that was always like terrifying.
I'm called to this and like I lead somebody astray and teach like falsely incorrectly.
I'm accountable for that.
Mm hmm.
I think I'm like, OK, all these youth kids and they needed no and be equipped.
I've been with people that each and I think they're just like, I'll just teach them.
Like, but they don't I don't think they fully understand the calling.
The sense you see some of it is like, oh, yeah, man, we are out of the Bible.
It's not a big deal.
I'm like, yeah, but you need to have relationships with these kids.
You need to mold them in a sense and lead them to Christ.
Like, it's super important to do that.
You know, I have like to think I have a good relationship with the youth at the church.
Like I've got someone, you know, they'll text me.
They're having a bad day.
They'll call me.
And I'm like, that's what it should be like.
It should be like almost like you're a big brother, like, you know, cooler, older uncle.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Like our cousin.
So I've had people call me up at like three at the night and be like, hey, I'm suicidal.
I'm you know, I don't know if I can do this anymore.
And it's like, dang, like, and that's things like you have to be ready to lead and teach
like in those moments.
And I think there's a lot more than people realize.
I go with just pastoring.
Like you have your flock in a sense.
Right.
Yeah.
It's no, that's that's very true.
You'll run into situations where you're going to have to be a little bit more than just
I.
So this is this is where there's a difference between preaching and teaching.
So that that's the important part.
And you're distinguishing that very clearly is that with with teaching, teaching is is
instruction.
It's more of a what's it called?
I forgot what the word is for it.
It's a good one.
Whatever it is, it's a good word.
Dialogical.
Yeah, dialogical.
Yeah.
So teaching is more dialogical and it's about, you know, aims to inform and equip.
So you're you're looking to give them the tools they need to succeed and to move forward
with learning and growing their walk with God.
And then on the preaching side, preaching is more monological, monological in the sense
that you are it's a proclamation and your your goal is to invite and exhort.
So that's the difference when you come down to either or.
So it's really important to understand that there's different roles as teachers and there's
a different role as preaching.
I wouldn't say preachers because in this sense, you'll see, we'll bring up verses about this,
but we are all called to preach in a monological sense to to share, to invite people to read
and grow with.
You're like, hey, Bible says this.
Have you read this?
Oh, OK.
So now we're sharing.
This is preaching.
We're talking and be like, this is this is this is what the Bible says.
That is just saying this is what the monologue is.
This is what this is.
And it invites you to read yourself and to study yourself.
That is what we're called to do as a whole.
Teaching on the other hand is very more personal, like, hey, I'm living a life of of following
Christ.
I'm not living in sin, which there's a difference between sinning and living in sin.
Living happens.
Living in sin is a choice to choose against God consistency.
So when you're teaching, it's a whole different aspect of like anything that I am doing.
It's not a consistent living in sin or a consistent choice against God for what I'm doing.
And I'm showing you how to be equipped and learn how to equip yourself and get to that
point to where you're growing in Christ.
But you're doing it in the sense of like, I'm showing you how and this is how I do it.
And this is how the Bible and God helps me through this.
And this is what I'm trying to show you how to do you be a part of that kingdom of God.
So that's kind of like the teaching difference.
But yeah, that's a very good.
I think it makes it very clear.
So yeah, so I got verses on both sides, teaching and preaching.
So what I would like to do for this episode is break it up.
So like the first half, let's like for the first, I don't know, like for the next 20
minutes, we're going to talk about teaching side and then we'll break it off and then
switch over to the last half of the episode.
We're going to switch it over to the preaching side.
Hopefully that that I think that works.
We'll see.
I think that's a good idea.
So guess what?
What chapter I'm going to start in?
Huh?
What book am I going to start in?
Blasheens.
No, no, come on.
You got to.
James.
Yeah, James.
The only reason why is because in James 3, it yeah, because in James 3, it talks about
the idea that faith and works go together and that anyone who does or says proves what
they really believe and those who trust God, who really believe in him, begin to be changed
in their speech as well.
And yet everybody still stumbles.
Like I mentioned before, that the tongue is untamable, capable of great destruction.
In fact, James, in this whole chapter, calls it a fire, restless evil that in itself sets
on fire by hell.
But that's our tongue, because obviously you start saying stuff, you get used to saying
those stuff.
But we need to be changed and it shouldn't be the way we praise God and curse the people
that made it in this image.
And yet as fallen people, we do just that.
So in James 3, it's a good starting point, especially the very first verse in James 3,
one, it says, not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we
who teach will be judged with greater strictness, which you said.
I've heard that many a time in my life.
It's yeah, it's it's good because in here, James obviously starts off with a warning
and taking on the title of teacher.
And it's true, not not many Christians should aspire to be labeled as teachers.
Those who claim the mantle of a teacher will face stricter judgment, as you can see here,
or will be judged with greater strictness.
One of the either or you could take that translation either way.
And though more one claims to know the more cannibal they are held for what they do with
that knowledge, which actually that verse is referencing over to John 9, for no John
9, 41, which says if you Jesus himself said, if you were blind, you would have no guilt.
But now that you say we see your guilt remains because it's that that concept of you know
the sin and you still do it.
So you can't do that.
Like you got to know that if you see it, now you stay away from saying you know what to
do.
So do it.
I have to correct that you can't just stay in your sin.
You as a leader or a leader in teaching or preaching or anything, because that feel like
I feel like you know, there was spirits to spiritual warfare, no matter what you're doing
or where you're at.
But once you're called into ministry or anything leadership, enemy is even attacking even harder.
Oh, yeah, it's like I remember pasturing like at 21.
There's times where I just like, boom, I just sit there and be like super depressed and
he would just come and attack me and like, you know, and you know, point out my sins
and make me like just like, oh, you are nothing.
You fall short, blah, blah, blah.
I remember, you know, yeah, I was talking with you.
Probably.
And I was just going like, we had to just remember that you're forgiven creation and
you can't just stay in your old sin.
You have to just write after giving this and work on it.
Yeah, it was you.
You're on the staircase.
Long time ago.
Remember that.
Then I had a mental breakdown and we talked about it was pretty awesome.
No, long stuff.
Good times.
Oh, yeah.
And that's how you have growth.
Right.
Yeah.
Because leadership is not easy.
Your walk is not easy.
So don't don't be discouraged if you feel like a sin's just messing with you and you
can't beat it.
And after this, rely on one another.
Keep chugging because you have to get to really guard yourself.
I just I feel like that's important to say.
Sure.
Well, it's like in this in this passage, a lot of Bible scholars actually speculate
that James warning was in response to a problem with too many self titled teachers in the
early, early Christian church, because it could be that some truly thought they were
wise when they were still immature in their faith, still learning and like trying to be
part of it.
Right.
I'll never claim to be like, you know, like I can't sit here and say that I'm, you know,
mature and faith is more along the lines of like you understand the role of what you are
being asked to do and you understand how to proclaim who God is and understand what the
gospel is.
And I would say that we're spiritual maturity.
That is a requirement in that in that strictness for teaching.
Right.
Because that's the whole I mean, gospels are show to the of your faith because I mean,
then like, you know, I think of acts stuff and then talking about going out like that's
another thing super important because it talks about how to minister, go out and be missionaries
and dealing with the day to day things.
Right.
Like yeah, you have to be rooted in no, no, that.
Yeah.
In the same chapter, James three verse 18, which context wise, if you want to read it,
it's verse 13 to 18 is the context there.
And it's it's just James who questions our concept of who is wise and understanding.
James actually quickly answers the truly wise understanding person is the one whose faith
in God leads to selfless good works and wise people live in the humility of wisdom, setting
themselves aside to serve others.
And in this context, James finishes in verse 18 saying, and the fruit of righteousness
is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Because in this you can see that James has concluded his thoughts from the previous verses,
like I mentioned, with a beautiful word picture.
Imagine fields full and ready to harvest the crop of the fields is righteousness, goodness
and everything those who belong to God would hope to see in the world.
And it's really cool because James elevates the role of peacemakers, one who committed
to living peacefully and full confidence that God is providing for them.
And so this is part of that, that teaching and part of that Christian walk and that we
have to as anybody as teachers should be showing, should be living.
And that's where like you see a media where there's like all these preachers on TV with
signs screaming, you're going to hell.
And like, you know, just screaming at people like Dan that right.
I hate it because God says very specifically in through Jesus, through James, through Paul,
through Peter, that we're peacemakers.
There is sin.
Yes, but you don't understand sin without the revelation of Christ.
And people go out there on TV and are standing there with picket signs yelling at people.
Like I understand if you're out there with a picket sign, just saying Jesus loves you.
It's like, hey, ask me for questions.
Jesus, you know, Jesus loves you.
That's true.
And there's like there's a difference in besides inciting people to anger.
Oh, yeah.
With that, which I think is that happens a lot, which is just a totally bad rap because
it's like, you know, a good Christian is one who's going to be loving and kind and patient
in the spirit.
You know, there's like those for which get the church that's like burning stuff.
And yeah, you remember the story.
Chapter 14, 53 to 65, where Jesus is before his accusers, before he dies, right before
he gets persecuted.
And it's really interesting to note that he is silence before his accusers.
And this is really interesting to know because he he put aside his pride, even though he
knew the truth and what was going to happen and what was going on.
He kept quiet and they were like, look, he did this, he did this and he does this and
this is what he does.
And he's living this or blah, blah, blah.
He broke this law and he just did their silence and he wasn't saying anything.
And it was just that point to where it's like.
You don't you don't say things that if it's not going to lead to productive.
Productive conversation.
And there's even points to where in the Bible it talks about like not causing arguments
or someone's argumentative.
We just move on because there's nothing positive is going to happen from that.
Like I have a friend that doesn't believe in God, younger dude, but it's really cool
because we'll talk with each other and he'll ask questions.
Sometimes he makes jokes, but that's that's who he is.
He doesn't understand that's OK.
But I don't like we can talk and discuss without having to be like, you're wrong, you're wrong,
yelling at each other like you're an idiot or whatever.
We don't do that stuff.
It's just like, let's talk.
OK, yes, questions.
I have answers from my perspective.
If he doesn't like those answers, he just moves on.
He's like, OK, well, I don't believe that.
I'm like, OK, cool.
Well, it gets up to you.
It's your choice, not mine.
You are so good at that.
I am I am what we call an argumentative person.
I know you am.
I know I am.
But like, you know, I see I sometimes I say I would say I'm argumentative.
I'm passionate.
Right.
But passion.
But it does.
It is.
They're close.
And I definitely am because I can.
That's what we can say.
Well, the sky is purple.
I'm like, I could say the sky is purple.
No, it's not.
I'm like, I will argue with you just because I like I like to debate.
Yeah, debating.
I think that's I think debating and I don't like.
Like proving that I'm right.
Which is it's it's you know, like I could sit here and argue, you know, about peanut
butter M&Ms being the best.
You know, you know, it's something silly, you know, but then it comes to other things
and, you know, that's where I'm like, well, spew out a bunch of facts and be like, well,
this is this is that I'm like, huh?
Just not good.
It's more or less thing I have to be comfortable with the person I can't.
I won't are like, I'll be more.
Oh, it's my siblings.
I'm like, oh, let's go.
She isn't good.
But isn't it?
I think it was.
What was that?
I think it was J.C.
Royal, I think, who said it?
I don't know what you're talking about.
As a Christian, it is our position to share the word of God.
And with that sharing, God intervenes.
It's up to the Holy Spirit and God to convince to convict our life and who we are is not
to convict people.
We are there to share and to discuss.
And that's it.
So when people are like, I'm trying this person's going to change and be saved and I'm trying
to convict them that they are in the wrong.
That's not your job to convict.
You're not God.
You're not the Holy Spirit.
Like I said, sin is a revelation of the Holy Spirit.
You think somebody out there that hears the word of God, like I don't know who God is
and I don't believe in the Bible.
You think they're going to think that everything they're doing is sin or not?
They don't understand it because the Holy Spirit comes in to help you.
It's a guide to help you and strengthen you to understand who God is.
So you start seeing.
That's why it's like there was another preacher who was saying the closer you get to God,
the more simple your life seems.
It's because as you walk the walk of Christ and understand his his life and who he is
and who he represents and how that looks, everything we do starts to look more sinful
because it's not for God.
We start to see, wow, doing cussing is like everything you start doing.
This is going to be like, wow, I really didn't want to say that.
Wow.
I really said something negative and that person is going to feel that like they're
really taking that in.
I need to wash my mouth or you do something that you normally do and you're like, man,
this just feels gross.
Like this doesn't feel right.
I'm not.
Well, it stirs up, you know, stirs in your soul.
Holy spirit, you know, conviction.
Yeah.
From the spirit, you're like, oh, wow.
No, it's you had to die to your old flesh.
That's why we were born in Christ, right?
We're reborn again.
We're born again in God and in his kingdom.
We're adopted in his kingdom and we are born again, which means that we understand because
through the Holy Spirit and the revelation of the spirit brings what sin is.
And we want to learn more about who God is, which there's a verse on that, which we will
talk about because I think it's second Timothy three, 16.
I'll just actually bring it up.
It's Timothy three, 16.
I am more than sure that that's the one that says all scripture is God breathed and is
useful for teaching, rebuking, correction and training and righteousness.
So we got second Timothy.
What was it?
Three, 16.
I'm going off my memory.
So it stops at 17.
So well, 16.
So that's a good start.
That's what I'm saying.
All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching or reproof of correction and
for training and righteousness.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
That was the man of God may be complete, equipped every good work.
Yep.
There we go.
Exactly.
So that's exactly what I was thinking of in my head.
So that's good.
I got that one.
But it's true because scripture is it's like I said, we're going to do an episode on the
validity of scripture itself, but scripture as a whole, you can trace back history and
see that it's written six thousand manuscripts.
There was manuscripts written before Jesus was around about prophecies of Jesus.
Jesus fulfilled 300 prophecies when he lived and died and came back again.
There's so many things that bring validity to the Bible and to scripture being true.
Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, even as a historian who doesn't take
part in who God is, the Bible being accurate historically is very, very like one of the
most accurate, accurate proved books in history when it comes to history.
I forget what the odds are.
I think if he were to use like some university did a study, did a thing on it where to define
if he just completed like three of these, whatever it was, it would be like 30 something
in the Olympics swimming pools of hay and finding the needle on the first try.
Well, the chance of one man fulfilling all eight prophecies, like the beginning eight
prophecies is ten to the 17th power.
Yeah, that's what it was.
And it's like, and then like all of them is something like a couple of our universe, as
they said.
And put it in silver dollar form, 10 to 17.
But this is just eight, eight prophecies.
So supposedly, yeah, well, let's say 10 to the 17th power, let's take silver dollars.
If you take silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, the whole state, which
Texas is massive, they'll cover the whole the state two feet deep.
That's how, how insane the odds are of Christ fulfilling just eight and he fulfilled 300
to find that one coin.
Yeah.
It's just, I think it only got like more crazy, like, you know, like, what was it like 20
or 30 of them?
It'd be like draining the ocean.
Mm hmm.
Doing the same thing here to fill it up.
It's it's crazy to me, like just like the chances of it all.
And so it was like, well, it was written and made up.
And so that way, you know, if they wrote, wrote the book and then you just make it so
that way, everything's correct.
It's like they have the original, like, you know, they have the Dead Sea Scrolls, they
have all this stuff.
It's like it takes so many years of everything.
I think it takes a lot more faith to believe that somebody made all this up and it's stuck.
And then Jesus dying and people him because like I was talking about two weeks ago, youth
group that most people during this time of Jesus to until this day, people claim to be
the second coming.
They're not saying coming.
They claim to be the Messiah.
Mm hmm.
And Jewish, you know, or in everything like I am a Messiah.
Follow me.
And people would do that.
People would follow it.
You know, someone who was claiming to be the Messiah.
And as soon as people start, you know, they start telling people off who were like, oh,
I'm not quite sure about this anymore.
And they just bail.
Maybe dip Jesus, though.
We're like, no, we know this is real.
And it didn't die off because it was legit.
He is actual son of God.
It shows that is like, oh, crap.
OK, he's actually like really is God.
Right.
She do need to follow him.
Like, yes, like you look at Stephen.
Got stoned to death and he was like, looking of the holy, you know, looking for God, I'm
like, Holy Spirit, thank you, God.
Still praising God in the end.
Like that's the difference.
People were trying, you know, they're being killed.
Murder, you know, like persecuted if they were following the killing, like Bar Jesus.
We were like, oh, yeah, cool.
He says he's Jesus.
He says that he's you know, he's a sorcerer.
Oh, and then I mean, Saul was so pissed.
He was like, you know what?
You're stricken with blindness.
Now enjoy that.
Like, it's like you dare try to claim to be the king of kings.
It's like there's a difference between our God and those fake ones.
Right.
He's a legit and he has the power.
I mean, just I know we're on an off tangent thing, but it gave you an idea.
Right.
Even if you get an idea of let's just say he if he was to fulfill 48 prophecies, just
do the math.
Rosso, my story.
Yeah.
And if you do like just 48 prophecies.
Wow.
I did.
And I'm backing your claims.
If if he Jesus fulfilled only a man filled 48 of the prophecies in the Old Testament,
you're looking at 10 to the hundred and fifty seventh power, which to give you an idea how
much that is.
Yeah.
If you let's say you put it into electrons, which are smaller than atoms, if you take
250 electrons each minute and count them and count the day and night.
You make up that number, it would take 19 million years just to count a line one inch
long.
And so this is how yeah, this is how insane the probability is in the sense that like
10 to a hundred and fifty seven power is counting 250 of that number each minute would take
19 million years to even come close to that.
And that's only 48 prophecies.
That's so crazy.
I think the total number was like 455 or 456 total prophecies that he did.
I know it was over 300, but I'm pretty sure it was like 455 or 456.
Even just even that alone is remarkable.
Yeah.
So you're talking closer to like 10 to the three thousandth power, which is more insane
when you think that he actually fulfilled those prophecies.
It was literally impossible, virtually impossible for Christ to fulfill all the prophecies.
And he did.
So that's impossible for the for the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Right.
So let's continue because I know we're running out of time, but we never run out of time.
What are you talking about?
We're talking about this stuff.
That's why, guys, we do.
And it's fantastic.
I'll share this verse and I'll quickly touch up on it and see your opinion and then go
to the next one and then we'll talk about teaching because we haven't got to the teaching
side.
Sorry.
Preaching side.
My bad.
Preaching side.
We're talking about teaching.
Doing teaching.
Yeah.
So Paul says this is Paul and he says, keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching.
Persist in this for by doing so, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
It's really important.
The context is verse 11 to 16.
But it's just it's the consistency of understanding who God is and persistent in living that lifestyle
and pursuing him.
Right.
The it's really cool to see that he's evaluating his teachings in this and what it looks like
to be a leader of the church in that sense.
The ability to understand, teach and live out the truths of the gospel are essential
to the work of a Christian church leader or a leader and teacher in general.
And these have been the theme of Paul's message in this passage specifically.
Yeah, I figured I'd share that one.
And then I only have one more verse for preaching the teaching side.
I keep getting backwards, but the teaching side, I have no idea what we're talking about
now.
I'm all lost teaching, preaching, teaching, teaching, teaching.
Is it really different?
So I don't even know.
No.
Yes, there is.
We've been this is the teachings.
OK, we'll get to the preaching side and what's different about it.
Teaching side, first, John three, nine.
This is my last verse for the teaching side and context.
That's once again, the teaching side.
Yes.
The context here is verse four to ten.
This verse says no one who has been born of God practices sin because his seed remains
in him and he cannot sin continually because he has been born of God.
And this is going back to what you and me were saying with the Holy Spirit bringing
conviction and understanding, because when you are reborn in Christ, you accept Christ,
you're born again, you're gifted, gifted the Holy Spirit.
And once you're gifted the Holy Spirit, you have that discernment, you have that conviction
and you have the strength and the peace and everything that comes with the Holy Spirit
to move you forward through whatever situations you deal with in this world.
So this is the born again, the believer, the one who actually follows Christ and lives
for Christ.
This is what that is talking about directly.
Yeah.
I figured you had thoughts on it, so I stopped.
Yeah, I mean, I had to be born again.
That's the biggest thing.
Right.
You know, preaching, what are we on?
Teaching.
You know, there's about that is big because it's one thing like.
Can you really teach the Holy Spirit?
I mean, you have to experience it like.
I'll put it this way, teaching grace is not a license to sin.
Those who sin without remorse, without conviction or without change have no relationship with
Christ whatsoever.
Period.
You live a life of sin and continue to sin with no remorse or conviction and you do not
change what your ways because it is sin and you don't you choose not to change it.
You have no relationship with Christ because that is the relationship with Christ is that
you understand what sin is.
You read and you see what sin is and then it says, do not do this and you still do it.
You do not have relationship with Christ.
And you cannot be a teacher and do that at the same time.
That was that was the most important part is that you as a teacher, you live the life
of Christ calling you to not to live without sin, but to not to live continuous sin, to
choose to continually sin and go against God, because that's what sin is, is against God,
which we talk about it in another episode in season one.
What is sin?
Go check it out.
It is sin.
That's right.
Was that a Rick?
Is that a Rick wall in the background?
No, that would be.
I just heard I was like, I heard drums.
I would be the notification on my phone for some reason.
It was all muted and I decided to make sounds.
That's pretty good.
Really teach myself how to properly do that correctly and turn it off.
That's fine.
So you ready to go switch this over to preaching?
Oh, let me get my pulpit.
Yes, I. Yeah, that's real quick.
We should go over what preaching is again.
Yeah, I agree.
Don't have the notes preaching.
Oh, yeah.
So preaching is proclamation.
That aims to invite and exhort.
It's more monological.
That's what preaching is.
So as you as I was saying before, we're called the preach all of us in the sense that we
are sharing the dialogue of Christ and who he is.
Go out, preach the gospel, that kind of stuff, which we'll get into the verses about it,
which is awesome.
So, for example, first, no, second, Timothy, second, Timothy, four, two.
Context, there is one one to eight.
That's the context.
Verse two says, preach the word.
Be ready in season and out of season.
Correct.
Rebuke and exhort with great patience and instruction.
So that's good to know.
Preach the word.
You know, it's first timid first, let's get this out of way.
Timothy was to be ready when preaching was convenient.
The phrase in season refers to those times when one is, by common sense, supposed to
be preaching a word.
These are like friendly circumstances, safe time, stuff like that.
But secondly, we see Timothy was to be ready when preaching was not convenient.
This is the meaning of the phrase like out of season.
So there are times when proclaiming the truth is awkward, difficult and resisted.
Yes.
Real quick on that.
I just think it's something I've always been told to.
I was told, I think before I started, you know, my ministry and preaching is that you
should always have a lesson ready to go for any circumstance in a sense that you should
have one ready to go.
You never know when God's going to call you to preach or preach.
I think of that when you said that I was just, it's like, yeah, you should be have a lesson
ready to go.
If God calls you to teach or, you know, just be ready to go at any time.
And it's like, I learned that one.
I think I really got it down when I was in Mexico.
Yeah.
I'm like, okay, hey, we're going to have you teach the youth group here in Mexico.
I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm going to have an interpreter, right?
Because, you know, yo espanol es muy malo.
Like, no, thank you.
Like I'm not ordering tacos, so therefore I do not know how to say everything I need
to.
Right.
I feel like, you know, now too, like I have a couple of lessons that you just instantly
go to.
And I think that's important as a preacher to have have a pulpit ready in a sense.
You can just kind of be like, okay, boom, we're to talk about e-hood.
Well that's teaching.
That's the difference.
Yeah.
That's the difference is teaching, having it.
Yeah.
Having lessons, having stuff ready to help people.
But that's where the preaching side comes in.
We're preaching is more about just sharing the gospel who God is.
So in the same sense, being prepped.
Yes.
Yeah.
Being prepped, but you can see that with the gospel and the way that the teacher preaches
others is what I'm getting at.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
They have that preparation to teach.
Like I always, you know, I take e-hood and I tend to profit.
I can preach on it and, you know, tell people about like how God used him and how it doesn't
matter, you know, if you think something's wrong with you, if you think you're less than
not enough, et cetera, that God will use you.
And that's like, you know, Jesus wants to use anybody to, for his kingdom, we all have
salvation no matter what's wrong with us, if we think we're less than.
So and I think, yeah.
It's cool because like when I don't know if anybody else knows the word exhort, because
that's an interesting word.
But the the Greek word for this is parakalesan, which parakalesan means support, comfort and
aid or encourage or urging to be a part of something.
So when it's talking to like Timothy about this and saying that this is how you want
to do it first, he says rebuke.
Right.
And with rebuke, it means the scold chide or correct in that sense.
Like, hey, this this says this, by the way, like this is what this says.
That's it.
It's not about you trying to like you're not specifically trying to be like, follow what
I'm doing.
I'm a leader.
But you're just saying this is what the word says.
And you're trying to encourage a correction or encourage people to be a part of it, to
urging them to come into this and see what we're talking about.
Like just someone saying like, you know, Jesus loves us.
From three, 16 to 18, like that whole section right there.
Like I urge people, if you're new, memorize all three verses, not just the one, because
context is important.
Context is key.
Key.
Yeah.
Context is king.
Let's be real.
Fine.
It's not key.
It is key, though.
You're right.
Context is everything.
It is.
You know, we could.
You could joke out of context and then all of a sudden you're not a very nice person
and you're mean.
Right.
So OK, so let's let's.
So another verse, Mark 16, 15.
OK, I don't know if you know this verse.
1615.
Yeah.
Mark.
This is Jesus talking.
Mark 16, 15.
I'll let you pull it up.
I it's a short verse.
Yeah, it's a nice one to memorize.
I'll let you pull it up because that's a good one.
Mark.
1738.
Say hello.
Mark 15, 16.
1615.
Yes.
1615.
OK, let's see.
Mm hmm.
It's a good read.
No.
OK.
But the title for this section is the Great Commission.
I'll go with 14 first.
Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves.
Mm hmm.
Right after he has died.
Risen.
Right.
And they were reclining at the table.
He had rebuked them for their unbelief, hardness of heart, because they did not believe those
who saw him after he had risen.
He said to them, go into the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
Whoever believes in this.
Oh my gosh.
Whoever believes in his baptized will be saved.
Who is baptized will be saved.
Mm hmm.
We did talk about salvation and the same with that.
The word baptism is not believe will be condemned.
Mm hmm.
And I will mention that when it talking about baptism, Jesus later then proclaims about
baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Right.
Yep.
Because as I said before, accepting Christ isn't just a verbal like, oh, I accept Jesus
Christ.
Now I'm saved.
Like it's it's it's believing.
And you are gifted the Holy Spirit to show that you are accepting of him.
Like you believe him.
You accept him into your life.
You're gifted the Holy Spirit.
So there's a change.
You're reborn.
Most people like obviously in cartoons and stuff like that, like to make fun of it like
Hitler on his deathbed going, I believe in Jesus Christ.
Like oh, he died.
He went to heaven like, uh, it's it's not verbal confirmation like salvation, which
we did have an episode on salvation, but salvation is believing, confirming with your mouth and
you're baptized by the Holy Spirit, which is you're gifted the Holy Spirit and reborn.
So now you understand that the Holy Spirit.
Yeah.
Because Holy Spirit, you know, is showing you the first that show for can be so these
signs will accompany those who believe in the name of demons.
It was speaking tongues, they will pick up serfrence with their hands and they would
drink if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them.
They will lay hands on the second.
They will recover.
Right.
They're just talking about your few do believe you do have it would be signs to show it.
It would just be empty acts.
It will have some meat to it.
Nice.
Yeah, it's cool here though.
In Mark 16 15, which is the verse that we were referencing here that we see that it
says go into the old world and preach the gospel to all creation.
And this is the great commission and the great commission.
You can even see it in Matthew 28 19 for Jesus.
And that verse says, go therefore make disciples of all the nation, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that commanded
you and behold, I am with you always to the end of age.
Which goes to say that Father, Son and the Holy Spirit and he's the son where people's
like Trinity's never mentioned there it is.
But it's one God.
We don't believe in three.
It's one God, but in three, three representations.
Yeah, represented as three.
So it's important to know that we are called this is our calling as all believers to go
out and proclaim the gospel.
This is the preaching element where we are sharing the gospel and proclaim is is like
shouting out what needs to be heard and the word that's used there for all is pass, which
that's the Greek word.
And that can mean each and every or creation.
Oh, that's like each and every one, like everything, anything and everything.
And then creation obviously is the word Greek word for.
This is I think it's this is and that can mean anything created.
This is and it's like it's KTIS, KTIS, IS this is it just means that we are to go out,
shout the gospel and share the gospel of Christ and who he is.
Jesus loves you.
You and me are sinners.
We fall short.
God saves us so we don't have to pay the price of death of sin, which is death.
So that's like all of our goals is to do that, to share that with everybody.
So that's important.
And this is good to know because it's consistent with the Bible talking about God will look
at us and judge us someday for everything we say and everything we do.
Romans 1412 even says that where it says, so then each one of us will give an account
of himself to God.
That means every word, every thought, every action, everything we've ever done do said
thought is all accountable to God and we present it to him before the throne.
And that's terrifying because we as humans do a lot of filth, a lot of crap and think
a lot of crap, even though we might not do it.
We think it and we're going to be accountable for all that.
So that's where Jesus is.
Position is, is that we accepted Christ that he covers that and gives it the Holy Spirit
to help live a life like Christ.
So we're preaching saying that we can never be enough to cover everything that we've done
thought or said, et cetera.
There's no redemption for us outside of Christ.
Christ is the savior, the one that we go to.
So we, everybody shares that message.
That is the message we all preach.
Teaching is different.
Like we said before, right?
Teaching is I'm trying to show you how to live that life by living it myself and helping
you understand how I am able to do this and how I get closer to God and what I do to pray,
read, and et cetera.
Right?
Like this is, that's the part where teaching comes into play.
Preaching is more along the lines.
Like I am sharing the gospel of Christ and I'm explicitly just sharing it as it is.
Right?
So that's why we should all read and understand what, who God is.
You have to be equipped.
You have to be equipped and ready because it is warfare, spiritual warfare out there.
You don't want yourself not to be equipped in order to save others because somebody might
just need to hear this very simple, you know, we see, accept, believe, confess.
And as Christians, we're called to do that.
And you don't want to miss out opportunities, especially if God, you hear God telling you,
Hey, that person sitting over there alone, they need to hear this right now because we
don't know what people are going through on a daily basis.
People might, you know, give the appearance that they're fine.
They might seem like everything together, but spiritually, mentally, they might be struggling.
Right.
I see it a lot.
I see a lot, you know, where the kids, you know, the funny, goofy kid at youth group.
I was one of those guys, you know, those kids.
Then, you know, I do a anonymous like box basically where the kids can write, you know,
a prayer request.
They don't want to share out loud.
I feel a lot of the time, you know, you have kids that are writing things like, you know,
talking about, it's like, I don't know where I had, if I would, my, where my beliefs are
at, I don't know if I know, is this real?
I'm feeling sad, depressed.
And it's like every single one of these, you know, kids and not just kids, but us has to
be equipped on a handle every situation that can be thrown us because this world is only
getting worse.
It's not getting more Christian friendly.
It's getting more, no.
Oh, you're a reliever.
Okay.
You can't talk anymore.
You're old school limiting what you can say automatically.
It's hate speech.
A lot of it can be classified as such nowadays, especially depending where you're at.
Which is sad.
Likely, you know, live here in the USA, where you're afraid of a speech.
Right.
But for now, there's a place to where as Christians, we are called to be peacemakers and you know,
we go, no, we got to know when saying something's not going to be productive, right?
Which we talked about a little bit earlier where it's that place of like, you know, if
someone comes, like if I go walking into like an LGBT parade or something and I'm just like,
Jesus loves you.
Turn and repent.
They're all going to look at me like this.
This guy is hateful.
That's not how you do that.
That's not that's not what we are called to do.
Now I have friends who are LGBT and I do talk to them and they know my stance and they know
how and why I believe it because they've asked and I and they know that and we still hang
out, we still have fun because they understand that like, like as a person, we're both people,
we both sin.
But just because I have the revelation of what sin is, be through the Holy Spirit doesn't
mean that I, I tear someone down because they don't have that yet.
I plan and I hope the Holy Spirit can convict them.
The biggest thing you can do right there is show them what it means to be Christ like
love on them.
Don't accept you.
You never have to accept their sin.
You shouldn't.
You don't have to compromise your morals and values for that.
I don't, I don't, I'm like, I'm not going to sit here and say, I agree with it.
But who am I?
No, you're like, oh, you're, you're a sinner.
You're wrong.
And you know, I have the log in my own eye.
Well, we are not called to convict.
Yeah, exactly.
That's not our job.
And I know that I've always, you know, I have a hard time because there's times where I'm
like, well, no, I'm like, you know, I don't like them there.
You know, they were like this to me.
Rammer, man.
Oh, and you know, as I get older, I know I have to have more patience and it's, it's
always easier to have patience with people that you agree with the line.
For sure.
It's a lot harder when people you disagree with them.
But wasn't that, wasn't that the verse that we just read?
It said not in season.
It might be awkward.
Yes.
And that's the part, um, to tie back to you, but Jason just cut me off.
Whatever.
I'm sorry.
No, you're not.
I'm just joking.
Um, but no, and it's just the truth of the matter is that, oh, with society and the way
things go, um, our opinion is seen sometimes more is, um, not the cool thing, not the mainstream
thing.
So I've had a fun time like in college when I was basically bullied for my faith, um, every
single day, which made it fun.
It's like, you know, it's called the have that.
And I think that's where I think I got a little more hard and people when they do that to
me and I think like, you know, I, but I also did learn to defend my faith more.
Yeah.
Which strengthened me too, but I could still learn from that.
So, um, and I mean, I'm in, I'm in leadership with nowhere perfect.
Um, I think, um, for the whole topic, cause I'm going to, I'm going to wrap it up.
Cause I have to keep rambling and we both do consistently do that where we can go on
for hours rambled and I'm coming soon.
I I'll finish off with this couple of verses and then we're going to wrap this up.
Um, Galatians six, read the whole chapter.
It's it's also known as like Galatians in itself.
It's also known as the short Romans, but, uh, Galatians chapter six, uh, verse four
and five, let each person examine his own work.
And then he can take pride in himself alone and not compare himself with someone else
for each person will have to carry his own load.
Um, I will say a couple of verses before it does talk about, um, actually carry that you
won't be tempted, carry one another's burdens in this way.
You will fulfill the law of Christ.
So read the whole book, but in this specifically, the only reason why I'm sharing this is because
he Paul's encouraging Christians to take a careful stock of the work that they do in
the spirit without comparing themselves to each other.
We should be honest with ourselves and take full responsibility to what is ours to do
in the following to Christ.
One of those responsibilities is to share the good things that God gives up to us with
those who teach us the word in Galatians six, like three to five.
That's the whole section there.
So with this and all of this, if, if you're going for teaching and know that it comes
with a weight, there's not just starts talking and you're good to teach teaching is leading
teaching an example.
I wish it was that easy.
Right.
So teaching is sharing the good news of the gospel and who God is and who Jesus is to
us and how he saved you, how he saved me and that revelation that was given to us through
the Holy Spirit.
That is preaching.
So when you come in to someone, just know that there's a difference and know that as
a teacher, your goal is to help instruct when preaching, your goal is to help encourage
to be a part.
So with that, I'm going to finish this episode because we did run it a little long, but that's
OK.
It's a shocker.
That's not us at all.
Yeah, that's going over.
Come on.
Come on now.
So yeah, I'm going to I'll press out because it is my episode.
And then next week you're.
Yeah.
We doing your episode.
We'll be together.
All right.
Cool.
Lord, thank you for today.
Thank you for every day and everything that you bring to us and everything that you give
us.
Thank you for all the good gifts in our lives.
I just pray that you touch upon those that are supposed to teach to teach to get into
the word more to understand you.
I pray for your Holy Spirit to bring the revelation on those who need it, who are trying to understand
your word.
Anybody here that's wanting to accept Christ, I just pray that you'll be able to see this
light that you'll see the Holy Spirit knocking at that door and that you'll be able to receive
him and see who he is within your life and how you are reborn and what that looks like.
And I pray that anybody listen to this, that they are encouraged to go out and preach the
word, go out and share the good news, go out and talk about who God is without fear, without
remorse, knowing that he is good and that he is there for everyone and not just you,
but to bring you peace in any of those moments.
And I thank you for your spirit.
I thank you for your presence and I thank you for your continuous love and joy throughout
our lives as we go through this world that doesn't really like us to all too much.
And I just thank you for that in Jesus name.
Amen.
So with that, we are finishing this episode about teaching and preaching and preaching
and teaching and we'll see you on the next one.
Be on the flippity flop.
Bye.