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How are you doing today?
I'm doing good.
How are you?
I mean, I'm doing pretty good.
I'm really tired.
I actually only got two hours of sleep last night so I'm ready to record today and then
probably take a nap to be honest.
Yeah that sounds good.
Yeah that need to pass out.
That's what needs to happen.
It's complete and utter pass out.
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So day like I said I prepped this today.
I'm excited for today.
I gave you a heads up today.
Not you know I gave you a heads up like two weeks ago.
I was a little behind.
Yeah.
So today we're actually talking about are we once saved always saved.
And this is a good topic because it's a real good topic.
I'm on a lot of different Christian forums and Web sites and Facebook pages and groups
and stuff like that where I like to go on there and discuss ideology and apologetics
and you know just kind of backing what the Bible says and like hey this is what this
says it refers to this it refers to this.
You can see literal translation of these words mean this etc. and I like discussing because
you grow by discussing and debating in a in a very calm manner.
Yeah.
And that's kind of what like I've been studying apologetics and apologetics is just like
I said before one of the previous podcasts is just creating a case for what you believe
in and why you believe in it in a in a court setting almost like very not really emotionally
attached to what you're saying but it's saying it with a reason.
Oh this is what the fact says.
This is what the Bible says.
This is what this actually says.
That's why I believe this way.
So that's kind of what I like doing.
So one of the hot topics right now is one said always said because a lot of people are
coming forward saying oh yeah well you know they might support this or they might be this
way or they might like this but they were saved so they're always saved so that doesn't
matter if they whatever they do.
And I think this is a really hot topic right now.
So that's why I'm bringing it forward today.
Yeah I think this is one of those topics that you know it's splitting hairs a little bit
because some people I mean well everything can be but you know where people are like
well you know and some people are very decisive on what they believe and there's no gray area
and some people are like well it depends on how far you go and how far you know either
way either you know all right what how do you know you're truly saved and how do you
know that you're not saved.
And I think a good place to start off would be well how do you know that you are saved
and what does it mean to be saved.
So I think if we got to talk about that first before we bring up the topic of if you were
once saved because this is where you ever truly saved.
Right actually that's a good point.
100% I think that is because you know some people they may think they've been walking
with God or they might think they've you know accepted them but you know because I truly
believe if you have 100% fully devoted and accepted God into your life I don't think
that you can if you fully fully experience the presence of God and accepted him I don't
think anybody in their right mind would choose to actively walk away.
I got you and that's the way I look at it and that's what I think and that's what's
my belief is because if you know God why would you choose anything else.
And that's what I get at and that's where I kind of come at but I think once again like
I said if we should talk about what does it mean to truly be saved.
Right and we do have an episode on salvation where you and me sat down for I think it was
an hour and 15 minutes.
Just to kind of summarize that episode without going off too much into that topic you accept
Christ into your life you're gifted the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit gives you discernment
and gives you the Holy Spirit's presence to help you through life understand what is and
what isn't right before God and somebody that was talking to summarize salvation is that
you know you're truly saved when when you sin you feel that remorse even John I know
sorry Peter he says why does my body do what I don't want to do no no it was it was Peter
Simon Simon Simon Peter no sorry no so Peter even said that like why does my body do what
I don't want it to do and it's against what I want to do it and he's like he's mad because
he understands what he did with sin he understands that we fall short the difference is that
if you're truly saved and you have the Holy Spirit's presence you don't want to live in
the flesh you are actively fighting and turning away from sin because you have that discernment
if the Holy Spirit's not there then you are going to want to do the things that are sinful
or of the flesh because you don't know better you just look at it as like yeah it just makes
me feel good I want to do it oh that just feels right so I'm going to do it but that's
where the Holy Spirit comes in once you're saved you understand what the what that is
and that's why we're to study the word because you're actively wanting to know more like
things will make you feel bad because you're like wow that really sucks like one of my
family members not going to name drop they used to smoke they weren't Christian they
smoked a lot of stuff I'm not going to go into it too much and they went to a church
they found they found Christ and they accepted Christ into the life the Holy Spirit came
upon them and every single addiction they had just fell off of them and I think later
yeah about a year later he was with one of his old buddies and they decided well I'm
he's like you know what I'm going to hang out with them I'm going to smoke one with
them like a cigarette or something which he got off of those two like completely and he
smoked it and he felt crap like he felt like he did the worst thing in his life cigarette
right it was it was that whole thing right but it was a whole thing where he was like
this is holy the Holy Spirit just said upon me I was like what are you doing like this
is your old life you're dead to that life move on this is where I am now and he knew
that it was wrong and he hated it he didn't want to go back he didn't want to be addicted
anymore he didn't want to get into that and he dropped it and he walked he was like I'm
done I'm not dealing with this and it just it goes to show that when you are saved you
don't sin happily because you don't live in sin yeah so we will touch on that with this
because that's part of the whole thing with the argument for once saved always saved and
I think some of these verses I want I think we're gonna I think you and me are going to
talk a little bit about a bit too because this yeah studying studying this with a lot
of other people really opened my eyes to it and realized that I I was wrong and how I
was thinking and understanding what the Bible actually talks about in in salvation in itself
so definitely recommend go back listen to episode give me a second uh three episodes
salvation yeah salvation what does it mean um yeah so so if you haven't listened to that
one go back go on our socials and watch listen to that if not you have a summary it's all
good um also I just wanted to chime in real quick too like what you said with uh your
family member when they got um clean off it when they accepted I know there may be some
new believers um listening that is not going to be everybody's case no or they and don't
feel bad if you're still struggling with you know past sins and addictions uh seek counsel
uh seek prayer and uh find some of me that you can help keep you accountable whether
it be a friend family member uh spouse girlfriend whatever it is but remember just that it's
the power of christ that can get you through those things not the person you're confiding
in just so you're aware I just wanted to make sure because I mean it but it is a giant praise
though when you hear something like that because sometimes miracles god works that way and
sometimes you know bad things happen if you live in a fallen world and sometimes people
get saved right away sometimes you know you gotta walk the valley right yeah um just wanted
to share that right like I had to no no that's a good point that's really good to point out
because it's not a that's that's not an always that way kind of thing that revelation um
would make it super nice for everybody but I know that that's the whole the there is
a there's a change the in the sense that you realize what you were doing is now yeah there's
that change where it's like a flip of the switch where it's like wow this really makes
me feel gross or this really is nasty like this makes me not like it like I do not like
this stuff and it really starts to show you because that's what the holy spirit's telling
you like hey this stuff's not of me like don't do these things and that's where you want
to learn more about him so you read the bible and that way you can start studying and understand
him more so that you're better prepped to deal with the things that come at you from
the world because there's a lot of stuff in the world that will tear you down take you
out bring you away stuff like that uh that's the enemy wants they want to you know kill
still destroy so one of the verses that I was talking to this guy about he brought up actually
john 10 27 to 28 um in this uh jesus he says my sheep hear my voice I know them and they
follow me I give them eternal life and they will never perish no one will snatch them
out of my hand this is a very common verse talking about not being pulled away from god
right the yeah the one thing to remember there that he said first was I know them and they
follow me that yes that is a choice for us to follow christ that's the whole point of
christian follow christ um even in this right yeah and I've said it before too usually these
verses and stuff like that you don't want to take them out of context we can look at
these verses specifically the context for it is actually verse 22 to 42 so if you want
to read that that's the whole section where um jesus is concerned and an overt kind of
threat by the same religious leaders that have been castigating for years and uh he
echoes metaphors of sheep and shepherds and he goes on to uh give sight after giving sight
to a blind man you know so there's a lot of cool stuff in that section but this is one
of the verses taken out of that saying like oh it says they'll never depart me but it
does say that we have to follow him so if you're not actively following you know if
it's like you know this is the safe area if you stay in the safe area you'll be safe well
I don't want to go over there uh well you know I'm I'm still safe it's like well you're
not in the safe area right if you're not you know it's like if you're playing a game of
tag and you go outside the safe area you you might get tagged you you may not you may not
survive you you know so that's why it's best is to you know stay in the safe area which
is staying in you know staying in the word stay in a prayer mindset you know and to be
active in it because it's and also you know another thing is too if you don't actually
try to work on your faith or actually you know do anything you're going to go stagnant
and you know the shepherd he walks you know and if you're not walking you know with with
him you're not staying with the shepherd growing and walking with him you will be left behind
right now and I feel like you know it's one thing you can say you're a christian but unless
you're actually like walking the walk and trying to go through the steps your faith
what is it oh my gosh what is it uh faith without works you're bringing up james oh
great i knew what i was doing james james james too is really important because james
too james homer yeah it's james too uh verse 26 if i remember correctly and it is the context
there is 14 to 26 because he's talking about uh us as christians how we're supposed to
walk in christ what that looks like and talk about faith without works etc that's we talked
about this before but absolutely love that you brought in the book of james no yeah but
it's true though and i think that's a big thing with it all you know without it's one
thing you mean like you say i could say in the bodybuilder right if i don't go to the
gym i don't do anything to lift but i say it does it make me a bodybuilder does it make
me strong right no it doesn't i mean i am strong with this because i'm a very large
person and i you know it's just the way i was god made me right um that's too showbun
why did i say that that's just sounds conceited i am so sorry
okay so they kind of did you get over them yes i have something for you then because okay
um so you know the book of hebrews obviously right wait how does moses make his coffee real
quick he bruised it yeah right so hebrews um if you don't know it was written for christians
people who were already saved um it's explaining to christians at this time that jesus is superior
to moses and all moses accomplishments and christians need to encourage each other to the
fully trusting god in order to see fulfillment of his promises um that's what chapter three is about
hebrew and as a whole um is to the audience of christians the newly christians and christians
have been christians for a while to understand the the the new covenant and what we fall under
under the new covenant and it's really important to distinguish that so in hebrews three
verse 12 which the context here is verse seven through fourteen but hebrews 312 um now uh the
direct translation here is take care of brothers and sisters this is in christ that there will not
be any one of you an evil unbelieving heart that falls away from the living god um it's really
important to distinguish there's two greek words here which is apistias and apostinei
those are translated what you call me no apistias and apostinei so when it says uh in the esv version
it actually uses unbelieving heart lead you to fall away from the living god and
respectively apostinei is the word from which we get the term apostasy which means a rebellion or
defiance of authority it's most like frequently used to describe those who completely leave the
christian faith however like most such terms are varied levels of meanings of falling away in this
case the meaning is that of sin and faithlessness not open rejection of god so it's lily you can
have faith and because he's talking to a christian audience who are already saved and telling them
don't uh don't live in sin don't be sinful don't be unbelieving don't lose faith don't lose heart
because you'll be turned away you'll fall away um king james version even says you'll be departed
like in departing from the living god um you got christian standard bible which uses this and says
unbelieving heart that turns away from the living god um there's a lot of different it all comes to
the same understanding that as christians there you can choose to walk away but you are full
acknowledgement like you were saying earlier it's crazy to think this but there are people
who understand what is right and don't want to do it and choose to um don't want to believe in it
because they don't that's not they they want to gratify the flesh more or they learn to gratify
the flesh or they start to not believe in what the message is of the word and then they start to have
sin in their life and the life of sin will come in and just destroy which you also mentioned which
is the kill steal and destroy this is just something hebrus talks about um we can see that as well
in first john um as one who has been born of god practices sin right because his seed remains in
him and he cannot sin continually because he has been born of god and this is this is interesting
because it it talks about making a practice of sin like i was telling like you and me were talking
about earlier with sin is that once you understand and receive the holy spirit you understand
oh that doesn't feel right that's wrong like this is sin i don't want to do this this is gross
so if you understand god it's not you can't just keep on that way or living on the life of sin
continuously because it's gross which you were saying that obviously that it it's like who is
it's like who would do that that's insane if you understand it now right it is yeah and uh what i'm
getting at is like it takes i think it takes a lot more faith to walk away i mean i i could ever
understand that i guess something you know the main thing i always think i hear is like where where
was he when this happened and where was he when that happened right you know uh
you know this person has cancer now and they believed it's like but this thing is that we
live in a world that's faulted and i think people forget that and you know it's easier to be like oh
it's you know it's all messed up because you know god doesn't you know he's supposed to save us
he's supposed to do this i think just easier for people to i don't know cop out and say
well that's you know you know who who knows if steven we're real it's like but it even says
but it even says it like it's not going to be easy if you follow right and that's i think that goes to
not being fully equipped and not fully knowing because if you don't realize that when you're
called to be a believer in a christian it says in the bible it's not going to be easy it's going to
be full of trials and and misfortune because as a christian you look at like an axe i want to say
it's verse uh six and seven but like steven was the first martyr in the bible he he's going there
and the holy spirit is on him he's glowing with it and he's talking preaching in front of the
synagogue and the people about god and he's on fire for them and they're like you know what we're
done with you and he basically told them like yo look it this is a prophecy and boom boom boom boom
boom the holy spirit was flowing through him and he's like this is what is right you're all wrong
then they're like you know what take steven out back we're throwing rocks at him and he got stoned
like not the good stoned right like the bad stoned seven yeah like the one that kills you
um so anyways sorry i heard that from pastor one time always that it was funny because it was the
middle of youth group and he's like and not you think it's a good stone and every single like
he's looking like what so like to this day i still say that i just taught him that too like a couple
weeks ago i see that to the kids i'm gonna keep thinking like what what did you just say i'm like
it's all the reason it's said is because it adds it catches them off guard when they're not
paying attention well the lesson yeah i'm like i see all that pokemon go i'm like quit trying
quit trying to take that gym over um yeah that's act seven that you're talking about yeah act seven
that's where excited um but it's like that you know it's like we're not called to have it easy
people are you know like here in america we have it the easiest like china they have to they'll walk
16 hours they'll travel 16 hours to go to church on sunday and then they have their bibles memorized
because if they get caught with it they go into jail and it's burned like and then there's like
me you know on sunday as a pastor i'm like i don't want to go like yeah like i'm like this sunday i was
like i'm kind of tired it's been a long week and then yeah my fiance is not feeling good so she's
like i don't feel good i can't go i'm like sick i'm like i really don't want to go now i want to
sit by myself and there's all these things that you know go like you know like hey you don't want
you to go but it's important though to go and have fellowship and because we are going through all
this hurt stuff right and i think that's where a lot of people get you know when they fall away
on their walk is when they lack that fellowship
because if you don't have somebody feeding into you you don't you don't you're not connected
it's easy to feel isolated and this is a you know it's a bunch of hogwash so
so and i think that's a big thing for a lot of people is like well you know look what the church
does you know uh look at all this stuff look you know like all the bad things that happen in the
church people have been hurt by a church and i you know you hear i hear that a lot you know like
same and it's like yeah there is a lot of hurt that's why you know like and i don't blame people
i mean well no i blame the people not the church and then you know if the church doesn't do anything
about it it's 100% on that community but you need to find a good community right that's the biggest
thing yeah no it's a it's a good point and obviously with the church thing i touched up on
one of our blog posts that we actually have live and oh yeah yeah when it comes to the church people
tend to think i'm christian so i go to church which makes me christian and that's false religion and
it's really easy to fall into that because we don't follow man we follow christ which is why it's
christ christian it's it's the word following christ follower of christ the savior um which is
really an important distinguishment when it comes to how this is supposed to play out um i know uh
one of the verses ended up talking about was uh first john 3 9 because this is one that
uh they brought up on their side they use a lot of the king james so they're like it's whosoever
or is begotten of god does not sin because his seed abides in him he cannot sin because he is
begotten of god this is this is a good verse and um the context here is actually first first john
three four through ten um because it's strongly condemning sin it leaves no excuse for it um it
interprets it as a kind of like a litmus test for salvation actually if you read through it you'll
know what i mean john's specific audience is actually christian believers in this instance
and salvation is no excuse for sin because all sin is from the devil our flesh not god then always
disrupts our god our walk with god and those who only walk in sin and darkness cannot claim to be
children of god if you go to the christian standard version you can see it says everyone who has been
born of god does not sin because his seed remains in him he is not able to sin because he has been
born of god now here's the interesting thing this doesn't mean that we are blameless and without sin
because only jesus was blameless and without sin we have sinned and we will sin again because we
fall short but what is seed this is the important part in that verse that was used because i asked
that person like what do you think the word seed means because that's that's a good center point
to that verse and if you look at the word seed itself the that is actually talking about the
word like actually the word of god so when it's talking about
the the seed it's the word of god that continues to abide in him we can see that and i think it's
uh it's matthew remember correctly um matthew 13 19 that talks about it where it's like the if if
you're planting seeds with other people like sharing the gospel and you don't water that seed
and they don't understand what they're being given that satan can take that seed and it's an
interesting it's interesting because it just comes to show that you can't just tell someone
jesus loves you john 3 16 and walk away it's more than that it's not just shouting a verse at someone
or else we could just put a picket sign out on the corner and do save thousands of people every
single day um in this instant it's talking about we abide by the word of god which is scripture
which is the bible which we have that connects us to god and understand his word and get closer
to him and then with abiding by that we shared that with others and continue to share that with
others to help them grow not just throw seeds and hope they land somewhere and eventually maybe
something will grow out of it it's like we continue like farmers to continue to reap to uh help that
grow by giving more and more to that person showing them love showing them compassion showing them the
truth of what god is who he is why it's important how we have grace i have grace you have grace
because of god because what he did through jesus there's a lot of really cool stuff with that
there i wanted to touch up on a verse because i wanted to get back on topic a little bit but i
just kind of did tangent there a little bit first corinthians 9 27
uh if you don't know the context it's verse 24 to 27 um this verse i want us to see what you think
about this verse this verse it says um in the american standard bible uh bible it says but i
strictly discipline my body and make it my slave so that after i have preached to others i myself
will not be disqualified
yeah so i was muted i didn't realize i was muted um again so no yeah i like that the way it talks
about you know our body and everything and just yeah
well it's like paul remains in the state of like continual training because he does not want to be
disqualified yeah he's not talking about losing salvation as a result of sin though yeah but it's
it's the constantly training like your body you know and it's not only your body you know keep
taking care of that because it's your temple but like also training you know your spiritual side
of constantly bettering yourself and your walk with christ
so like that is something i was you know i think about um
a lot well you you can cross reference it with the
second peter uh yeah one 110 where it says therefore brothers and sisters make effort
to confirm your calling and election because if you do these things you'll never stumble
and in this sense it's talking about stumbling from like what god's called you because you're
confirming what you are called to do in christ and you see in this situation back to the first
corinthians 927 you can see it paul is recognizing that he is called to do something greater than
what he thinks and he's afraid that he's going to be disqualified for not doing what he's being
called to do and he feels like i gotta do this um and then it's that it's that uh christian
discipline of making sure that you're doing what god's calling you to do and and trusting him and
and and trust in him and that's consistent with how paul teaches about christ and what we're
supposed to do and even in this whole chapter you can see paul encourages christians to willingly
give up their rights for the good of those who are weak in their faith paul shows that he too
has given up his rights including the right as an apostle to receive financial support from those he
serves he boasts that he serves the currents without any compensation even at great cost to himself
paul describes himself as like an athlete kind of like competing for a prize of a crown of eternity
and his point is for believers to pursue godliness and the good of others with the kind with that kind
of commitment that kind of intensity yeah and i think that's a lot uh that gets lost i feel about
nowadays at least like well like i said here in here in the states
like yeah and you anywhere else where you actually have to be on top of your faith and willing to die
for it every day i think keeps them a lot more sharper than it keeps us i agree yeah you know
if we're the middle east and sundry's like oh i disagree with you i i believe that i should kill
you for what you believe you know here that doesn't happen you know we're not jailed for
it well at least not yet you know right not deemed as hate speech or anything like that
but it's it's important it really is and i think we just i think in the u.s. we have a different
issue and that issue is a lot subtler subtle a lot more subtle than other countries who deal with
persecution flat out we deal with warping of truths and and mixing and we have like the which we talk
about the before the deconstructionist and you have people who are like i'm getting rid of all
the the the church whatever that corrupted me and all i need is love just look at what it's the whole
there's so many different things from the different basically branches are not
not branches can't say they're branches they're not the um false teachings oh yeah
they they claim to be part of christianity when they're not look at you know you know it says
revelation and then like the very end it's anybody who adds or takes from this book you know
you're you're you're done skis you know like you're in trouble and it's just like you know uh look at
you know those guys that sort of off of new york joseph smith and all that and the mormons they
added to it they've added a book they said oh there's actually a third part it's a trilogy
everybody loves the trilogy it and then you know there's things like that that are really
it and then you know there's things like that that are just it's
it's false um if you have any mormons listening not an attack on you at all just i would look
at more like what it says in isaiah and i look at more of what it says about adding or taking away
from the bible and um i would just dig more into uh what you've been taught um
also i just i feel like i don't know where i was going with this now
no it's so good uh hold on hold on where was i going with it refresh me
well i was i was talking about like the how the u.s has a different situation you were talking
about false prophets frost false prophets that's what we deal with and then you know there's that
and there's a whole you know uh deconstruction of the bible there's all these ways that it's been
perverse and changed even though it's very it's black and white there's no gray area
be hotter hotter cold and we spit out into the flames yep and that's the bottom line you know
uh i could ask the little little fifth-year-old boy you know you know what does it mean to
love jesus and what is it you know i can get a little you know the little child like it's
this childlike face you know what does it mean i almost like i should just call him over here
and ask him right like it's simple but if you want to add add stuff to it and perverse it
and then you know it takes away and that's how people can fall away it's because there's so much
muck and so much just dirty water basically it's it you know every need that get that
rid of filters maybe that jesus to filter out the negativity and the incorrect information right
yeah yeah yeah okay you know that's good and like i said it's in the u.s it's different like we have
we have an issue of too many people feeling too freely to do whatever they want with the bible
rather than understanding that it's not my truth but god's truth that runs supreme and that god's
the center not me and we see that as a really big issue in general it on any spectrum of
church in the u.s you see they're really hardcore where it's like well you vote a certain way you're
not christian or you are christian which politics shouldn't be involved in the sense of like who
you're standing with god god didn't say like oh you like that pompous pilot no and then you had
the other side of it where it's like all we need is love love is love love is love no matter what
and then it's like well jesus is love jesus is love christ but what does this look like
right but what does that look like yeah what you need to be it's a you know it's like a father they
love firm correcting but there you know what i mean it's like i think of my father you know
he's like hey i love you man and then i don't disobey you know get a little swift swift pat on
the butt hey i've talked to you i don't want to do this you know it doesn't make me happy
like i don't want to have to correct you in a way that's gonna bring you harm but if you're not
gonna listen that's what is gonna happen and it's and i do it because i love you that's the same
thing i say too now i'm like look at you bubba i don't want to i don't like it i don't enjoy it
like it doesn't make me happy it makes me sad right i understand that you instead of that more
you're standing at more i at least i do now you know nothing nothing
nowhere does that bring a father joy to have to do that but it's like it's something that you just
you have to do and i think that comes down to like god he he knows that you know we need that
that firm but loving hand and as christians sometimes we have to be firm from what we believe in
but also have that loving understanding and i don't think people always see that like
yeah we're going to disagree with you on things and stand up for what we believe because we have to
because that is the way the the light and the truth right and i think people yeah and i think
people that maybe that have walked away and that aren't saved some people have a problem with that
like well we have to be as happy to everybody it's like no i'm sorry you have to love them but you
don't have sometimes somebody needs a firm hand like uh you know like between you and your brother
she was more stubborn right you know think of that as a kid growing up you know there's always that
one kid you know that stubborn kid and they needed you know they needed a firmer hand like my brother
me we were pretty stubborn and sometimes we needed a firmer hand and i think sometimes that turns
people away right because then like oh i don't like that it's like well you know no nobody likes that
but it depends on each person some people see that as necessary some people don't
right i i think um
i i wanted to add in on this because kind of getting back on the og topic once they always said
is this biblical or is it not and the bible teaches a christian can sin in such a way
that would be he'll be worse conditioned than when he was in before he became a christian
if you don't know this reference right off the bat second peter 2 20 through 22 peter wrote
for if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the lord
and savior jesus christ they are again entangled therein and overcome the latter and is worse with
them than the beginning for it had better for them not to have known the way of righteousness
than after they have known it to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto him but it it
turned from the holy commandment delivered unto him but it it but it is happened unto them
according to the true proverb the dog has turned to his own vomit again and the so that was washed
to her wallowing in the mire and we can see that the dog turned into his own vomit and the so that
was washed turned back to her own wallowing in the mire are used to people who have become
christians like this verse is talking about left their life of sin and then went back into that
sinful world and if in the latter end they still saved how could their latter end possibly worse
in the beginning so this right here just show that living that life of sin not just sinning and oh no
i lost salvation again no we we are saved saved through faith and by grace alone by faith alone
but this is saying that living like living in sin living a life of sin is different because you are
choosing to go against god just like i said when when uh like my family member they're just like
this is wrong they started doing it they did one thing like this is wrong i can't do this i won't
do this it's because they listen to the holy spirit tell them like this is sin this is wrong
for you to do and they're like yep i agree i'm not doing this anymore nope i'm out and that was
because of that holy spirit but if you sit there like i don't care like i understand this is wrong
but i want to keep doing it because i want to do what i want to do that is the understanding here
that you can be saved but you can go back to living life of sin without remorse without
repentance without turning away from it and that's important to distinguish i mean even in uh the
parable the vine and the branches when jesus said every branch in me that bears no fruit he'd take
us away which is john 15 yeah so it's it's just showing that like the intensity here and when you
talk about fruits in the bible it's usually like that of your labor like just if the holy spirit's
within you it doesn't mean all of a sudden you're like oh well now i got to you know go to the
homeless shelter and start feeding people i gotta do works now it's like no i'm saved through faith
by faith alone through grace and grace of god through christ the cool thing is is that that
part of christianity of being kind to others showing love support care being patient with others
being calm minded all that stuff it talks about the holy spirit and the fruits of the spirit in
galatians 5 that stuff comes when you start listening and following christ which is why we
are told to follow him which is that whole thing that paul was using as like a race like like okay
we need to he's like i need to finish the race i need to do a good job i need to it's like that
competitive like i want to embrace god i want to share who he is i want to be a part of that
because i hate this filth that's making me feel gross and not good i want the real thing i want
the real truth the real happiness the real satisfaction the real peace that i get through
christ and that's something that we get once we accept him receive the holy spirit and then
that stuff starts to follow as long as we are listening and connecting with him by reading
and praying etc yeah it's a different it's completely different you know uh i think that's
the biggest thing like i was saying i think people that said they've walked away i don't know if they've
ever truly i said when i've heard that like well i used to believe and i walked away when i hear
that i'm like i instantly i think it's judgmental in a sense where i'm like i don't think you ever
truly believed or actually had a real relationship with jesus you know right and that's that's my
opinion always because i'm going like nah man because if you knew if you knew the way i know
if you knew the way that you know if you truly knew christ there's you know there's no other
option there's no other way and life is like you like you just said in that person
that is what it's all about there is no other way you know the
life is just all it's all together better with him even when you're going through the bad parts
it's better through christ like and i yes i yeah there there's a
there's a there's a thing where i see it more often nowadays where
if you're not strong in the bible and what god says and because it's a really fine line like
how to act with people how to talk how to to share the word of god how to preach the word of god how
to preach the gospel and it is a fine line and people say well what do you mean by fine line and
and i say fine line in the sense that you can't just walk up to people like i said earlier and
just say john 3 16 jesus loves you or wow look at that person they are sinning that's not
productive you don't speak yeah you speak positive hey look i i'm a sinner you share your testimony
i'm a sinner i was in ruts i was dealing with like i was struggling with this i was struggling with
that my life was rough things were getting bad i was overwhelmed i was in a situation where i was
rough things were getting bad i was overwhelmed and then i found god and when i found him and
accepted him as my lord my savior the one who i want to follow i was blessed with the holy spirit
just like everybody else can be and i was given peace i was given this new life where i understand
who i am in him and what makes him so important and the thing is is that if you don't keep studying
and keep reading and keep seeking him not because uh not because it's like a closer thing or because
it's like uh it's you want to know him because it's a relationship part yes but you want to
grow in him so that you are stronger to help others get to him as well and understand who he
is and accept him too but the issue is is that people who say they're christian especially in
the u.s they maybe read once a week like on sunday and think that church is the only time they read
church is the only time they worship church is the only time they pray and then when they go out to
the world for six days that week they're dealing with things being thrown at them saying look at
these christians who are bigoted look at these christians who don't know better look how hateful
this is and you see it all over media all these random churches who say this say that do this do
that screaming and yelling and it's like those are wrong ways to do things they are they're not true
christians if you're acting like that because there's no good fruit from it you can see that
it's very obvious but that's where we have to understand who god is and we see in this world a
lot especially here in the u.s where people take that and say no you're right that's hateful that's
wrong we shouldn't treat people like that we shouldn't say these things let people be people
love is love and all of a sudden you're dealing with doubt that the bible is even real there's
deconstruction everywhere saying look the bible's fake this is fake this is unreliable this pastor
said this one word wrong so he's wrong so that whole chapter is wrong this is wrong and there's
so much stuff out there that people tend to agree with it because it's so overwhelmingly loud
and it's just like in your face constantly this is what's going like you're wrong and this is why
you're wrong you get tick tock you scroll through deconstruction bible and you scroll through it
it's just constantly like this is why jesus was gay this is why god is trans this is why
you know you see it constantly this is why you know the apostles were actually all lovers this
is why jesus slept with peter and like you see all the stuff this is why you know joseph was
joseph i wasn't who he says he was this is why mary is unimportant this is why you see all the
stuff that starts coming up and it's constant this is why we're closer to the end times
right no and it no it's true no i know it's just it's those things that you know
yeah it's stuff like that it's like it's sad to see but you know you know it's more it's coming
i mean but it's like i have something i used the pastor with and i see their stuff now i'm going
like man this people something like they've fallen off the deep end because i'm like but see like
they're they're not walking with god anymore that's where i'm going like dang like you actively chose
that but also i think because we live like i said in america and in this environment where
you know where you get fed a bunch of bull crap and you buy into it
this person sort of getting at the whole deconstruction of the bible
they started you know all of a sudden you know buying into all this stuff they're posting all
this crazy stuff left their their spouse and all this stuff going like why like oh you know it is
not it's not what we we want and it's i'm like what you made a covenant with god like
like like what are you doing to your children like it is stuff like that and it's like it's
not a big deal and it's something i say it it just it's mind-boggling to me
because i'm about to get married and i'm like and that is like that is my main focus and i'm like
there's no way you'd have to i'd try to you'd have to kill me only way i'm leaving her you know like
i just i don't get that and like the way to follow that is off the rocker and be that backwards
it's the only way i see it being a thing where you don't know yeah yeah yeah i get you get
you you drink the silly juice and you basically you know what i mean i don't that's best what i
can put it you drink the kool-aid and next to all of a sudden oh oh yeah you know uh jesus was gay
it's like what now it's like where where biblicaly does it ever say anything
it's like that will be our next episode i i really want to talk about that stuff in general
we should we should because i've got lots of words and things to say i um i'll add in because i know
who you're talking about and um i i was watching tiktok and there oh and you saw i did see that and
you know the thing is is that it doesn't like it doesn't make me mad and angry it kind of makes me
sad it made me sad and the only reason why it only reason why it made me sad was because it was an
understanding that the actively choosing to go against god and what the bible says because
someone who was influencing them on tiktok media news wherever yeah was was throwing them a gospel
that seemed more attractive than what they read with their own eyes and what they were learning
and you know and that could be that could be very little that could be contributed to the church
that they were at it could be we don't know like just like not a strong foundation and like
understanding what apologetics are because you got to learn apologetics to understand how to
talk about different subjects and why we believe what we believe rather than just believing
something and you know if you do study apologetics for anyone listening it's the idea of studying the
bible to the point to where you know why you believe what you believe not just taking things
for word at face value taking things because someone said so it's because you understand why
so that when people come at you and say this is why do you believe that that's wrong like i remember
seeing a tiktok uh one of my co-workers was playing a tiktok um and was talking about
deconstruction of the bible and they're like well you know did you know the bible blah blah blah
blah and i looked over at them and they're like hey you're a christian aren't you i'm like yeah
they're like have you heard this before i said well it's it's wrong he's like what do you mean
i'm like well so what they said was this if you read the original hebrew and greek that's what
this means that's what this means and that verse is referring to this chapter in the old testament
which that verse if you look at the original he like the hebrew for it you can see that's this
and that's what this means and that's what this means so when they are saying deconstruct the bible
this is what is actually what you should be believing in you can already count it out because
the words that they're they're saying don't even line up with the words that they're they're reading
and the original translations original like the verse itself references three other verses that
back up its statement and they were ignoring those verses because it doesn't back up what they wanted
as truth and that happens all the time with bible deconstruction yeah and all it takes is somebody
who has you know all it takes is open up your bible well not even that study like the study
and know the word yeah i mean that's what i'm saying it's all it takes yeah get all the study
bible and and all this you know nonsense and this is the main thing getting on the point of what is
anybody who was once saved to lose salvation it's because they fall for something that is false a
false teaching right which is what i was saying earlier is that you can be led astray you can be
you can be led astray i think yeah if you allow if you don't if you don't have the full armor
the lord on and you're actually following god and you're equipped and you're ready to go
and if you don't do that you leave you leave room for the enemy to come and influence you
and to lose your salvation because you fall you fall for a lie yeah and it's sad and i i've had
multiple sadly i've had multiple friends who have walked away from the faith of faith in christ
because of their experience in the church and if your faith relied on a church then
you weren't equipped you weren't equipped correctly that's not what christ is about it's not about the
church the building it's not about the people it's about him and your relationship with him and
learning and adapting and growing with him and with the church the church is there to help you
communicate and have community with like-minded people who are looking for the same thing you are
which is a closer connection to christ and understanding him more but the issue is a lot
of people think that church is the only thing that makes them christian and then they bring a lot of
crud from their six days out of the week of not being around god into their church life
and it really brings it really brings a lot of stuff to the church that's not healthy
now that doesn't say that doesn't mean that we shouldn't allow them that means that we should
know that not everybody you meet in church is going to be christ-like
but you want them there so that they can learn how to be christ-like
because not everybody is in a different stage of their walk with christ everybody there's people
that are new some that are old some people that are you know elders some people that have just
you know are just figuring out the books you know of the bible and i think that's the problem is that
people forget that yeah i will say uh two things before i wrap it up first go listen to our
episode number five about what is bible deconstruction great episode yes that way you
can learn more about that um it's also go listen to episode six which is what is the church that
was our most popular episode that thing has like thousands of downloads so it's really awesome to
see people talk about that um just go to a ball right listen to them i hope you're at this episode
thinking wow i've already listened to everything before this chronologically i was ready for this
the other point i wanted to bring across is that a good friend of mine put it this way
church is a jamba juice christianity is a jamba juice someone comes in and says as i only drink
coffee why don't you guys serve coffee well you're welcome to come in here and you're welcome to have
some jamba juice but we don't have coffee we don't serve coffee that's not what we serve here
well why don't you serve coffee because we're we don't do that's not us we are jamba juice we have
fruits it's healthy for you it's good for you i can recommend some stuff to help you along the way
well what if i just bring my own coffee machine and i could set up shop here and i could teach
i could show other people and get them coffee well no because this is our business this is how
this is how things run and has run and this is what we serve this is what we have it doesn't
change what you believe like you can choose to take some fruit you can choose to take the jamba
juice you can choose to take a smoothie i have recommendations to help you out and pick from but
you're trying to set up shop here that's not what we sell what we're discussing that's not what we
we give we give fruit we give jamba juice you cannot have a mocha chai latte you get a rasmataz
and you'll like it so that concept is the same thing right that concept is the same thing with
with the church and christians how we should interact with people who who live in sin or
live a life of sin you are you don't understand sin is sin until you receive the holy spirit
and acknowledge that you need the holy spirit to determine what is right and wrong because you can
say well you know this isn't sin because you don't have the holy spirit to tell you hey by the way
that's kind of gross or that's kind of messed up or that's not what i want that's not what god is
and that's the whole point of salvation you're saved you receive the holy spirit and then
everything else starts to fit into where you're like oh i don't like doing this i don't like doing
that because the holy spirit is like hey that is not godly that is not what i designed this is not
this is not my jamba juice this is not my jamba juice you're in a starbucks sir you need to go
back to jamba juice oh my gosh you're making a t-shirt this is not my jamba juice i can do that
but i mean might get hit with that copyright oh dang this ain't my juice this is not my fruit
juice this is not my juice i don't know i could put it like um can i have coffee we serve juice
something simple we serve juice we serve juice so like i like that idea of me serve juice but
the the thing is is that that is a great analogy to understand when christian true christian
uh biblically founded churches say everyone welcome and then still teach the gospel correctly and
teach god's word correctly because everyone is welcome to accept christ or not accept christ
we gotta show them show people why we need christ why we need god why is faith in christ so important
why accepting him is important showing that is still very very important to salvation and
and understanding that everybody is welcome but that's not for them to have a platform to
share their coffee with us because that's not that's not the goal here the goal is i'll show
them why why the fruit is healthy my smoothies are healthy because that's what was designed that way
god gave us this and is showing us the right way the right path to salvation through him and through
jesus and that's the obligation of christians into the church and people see that as hate speech
well you must hate coffee then well i've been i am told that fruit is better smoothies are better
for me and i'm given fruit i'm given smoothies and i live a healthier life and a happier life
so i'm going to stick with what god has given me christ has given me and i'll walk that path
you're welcome to like it and try it or you're welcome to move on it's up to you my life is not
to force you but it's for you to choose and this happens with christians who fall away it happens
with christians who are new that are just learning and then don't understand what all the stuff is
in the world that's thrown at them all of a sudden on tiktoks and instagram reels etc saying did you
believe this well you're wrong because i say blah blah blah so i just that that's really what i wanted
to finish up with it's just kind of that that now i wanted to finish on well that's blah blah blah
i wanted to finish on the coffee and jamba juice analogy
yeah i think it's important to realize that too that's exactly what we are like that's what it is
it's this is what we are if you don't like that sorry but this is what we offer and it's not that
we're trying to be mean we love everyone we don't agree with you on how to do it
but we do coffee we don't do coffee we don't do coffee that's a good shirt we don't do coffee
that's what i was thinking
and do like a little coffee with an like a don't symbol with a coffee
people are just going to think we're some like fruit nuts or something and then on the back of
the t-shirt above like the back part of the collar gtp the logo and then on the back of the t-shirt
the logo and the front a coffee with the the that you know the slash going through it i like it
that's that's the next one uh let us know on social media if you guys like that idea
and i wish to make it a t-shirt yep i would gladly make that a shirt in those social media
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the chosen because that was an intense topic i had with a lot of different people about you have to
be chosen by god to be saved etc etc great blog just because i wrote it i'm not saying that i'm
just saying in general a lot of the discussion from that blog is interacting with other people
what they said how that lines up with the bible what that looks like what does the bible say what
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it's great fantastic so with that i think we're going to end the podcast because we were actually
a little we're definitely over an hour like about an hour 15 really i feel like i know one of these
episodes we need to do a two-hour episode dude we are a two-part two-part part one oh my gosh
i'm down okay i i think i have a topic i'll talk to you afterwards about what we could do for the
part one part two a two topic because it's it's it's long but we'll get to that when we get there
um i i guess i'll pray us out
and then we can um yeah we'll wrap this up how you feeling
you you are muted by the way
okay that's fine i'm i figure that you're doing something real quick that's okay i am going to
i'm going to pray us out so yes you are awesome sorry i was talking with the child and then i had
to mute i get that it's fine um all right so lord thank you that we get to sit here we get to discuss
you we get to read your word freely we get to honor you with studying you learning about you
growing in you um i pray that what we discussed here helps people uh see you better see you in a
brighter light to understand you more to to get closer to you and to continue living the life
that christ has wanted for us and i just thank you for your holy spirit and the discernment it
brings the peace that it brings the love that it brings the self uh confidence that it brings that
we're confident in you as christ alone faith alone grace alone through you and i thank you for uh just
your living word that it gives us strength in times of need and um yeah i just thank you for
everything we're able to do through here and i just pray that you continue to bless this podcast and
that it just grows into something bigger than what we can imagine just so that we can reach a bigger
audience reach more people and be able to bless more people that they can see you and experience
you and we thank you for that jesus name amen amen all right everybody we'll see you on the
next one where dylan hosts yeah don't know what about but we'll find out next week
yeah well all right see you guys on the flippity flop bye