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What up, 30DD fam? I hate that you went DD. DD.

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Get out of my laboratory. Yikes. Welcome back

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to the show. If you're not here, I totally understand.

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If you clicked off right after that, I get it.

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No hard feelings. We'll see you next week, hopefully.

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Or if you never want to talk to us again, that's

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okay, too. I'm Clarissa. I'm Courtney. And this

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is 30 Dirty and Dying, a millennial podcast that

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I hope you're still listening to. Yeah, I think,

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you know what? I think people heard that and

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was like, yeah, I'm gonna stick with this. I

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hope so. I hope if you did and you feel that

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way, you have certainly found the right place

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to be and spend all your Thursdays. We're Millennial

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Podcast. We talk about nostalgia, life before

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and after 30, how things are really going as

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we're getting beyond 30 mark and becoming quote

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unquote grownups. Some of it great, some of it

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not so great. A lot of it mediocre and definitely

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nothing like we pictured our lives to be at this

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point. And we're just kind of embracing that

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and saying, hey, it's kind of fine. See, I don't

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even know what I pictured myself, you know? Yeah,

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but it's always like you'll have your shit together.

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You'll be a grown up. You'll be, you know, you'll

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have it all figured out. I feel like for me,

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I just have such like an empty thing going on

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up here that I just like roll with the punches

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and I'm okay. Maybe that's the way to be, you

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know? Don't put a lot of pressure on yourself

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to have a certain kind of life or have life look

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a certain kind of way when you're, you know,

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a certain age. By your 30s, by your 40s, whatever.

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Like, everybody says we're the most, like, immature

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adults. We're the most kid -like grown -ups.

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And that's probably true. But I think that that's

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fine. Like, let's just embrace what we really

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are. I don't need to pretend to be, like, a fucking

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uppity, hoity -toity. Oh, yes, the wallpaper.

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Fuck. Oh, yes, the wallpaper. Yes, taxes. Fixed

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rates. I don't fucking know anything, okay? I'm

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waking up each day and I'm trying. And that's

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all we can ask of anyone. That's all we can do.

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And I'm trying to have a good time and I'm trying

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to enjoy my life because we die at the end of

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this. Yeah. So what's the point of trying so

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hard? You have to have some fun. Yeah, really.

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We're just trying to have fun. We're trying to

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be honest. And not make people feel bad for not

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feeling a certain type of way. Or not getting

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to a certain benchmark. Yes. In life. You know,

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if you're not there, who fucking cares? You're

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here. And that's what matters. You woke up. That's

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good. You're trying your best. Or you're trying

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the best as you can today. And that's going to

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vary day to day. Yeah. And we're here for you.

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Some days, you just need to sit down and watch

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Holes. And that's what we did. That's what we

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did. That's how we got here. And now we're going

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to talk about it. Yep. We're reliving Holes.

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A favorite. From the early 2000s. And I think

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it's one of those movies that everybody has seen.

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And everybody... I've never met one person who's

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seen it. Yeah. From our generation who doesn't

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like it. Everyone should love Holes. It's such

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a great movie. It's a solid movie. Not just like

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a solid kids movie. No, it's a solid movie. It's

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a solid movie. Yeah. And people really like it.

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So... And on the daily, I say I'm tired of this,

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Grandpa. Yep. Yep. And it's just too damn bad.

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I sing that fucking woodpecker jam so much. If

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only, if only the woodpecker sighs. The bark

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on the tree was as soft as the skies. The wolf

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waits alone, hungry and lonely. He cries to the

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moon, if only, if only. I also say, um... This

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is all because of your no -good, dirty, rotten,

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pig -stealing great -great -grandfather. A lot.

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So, we're gonna relive holes today. We're gonna

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just bathe in nostalgia. And sploosh. Sploosh.

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Sploosh. Just jump into a hole. That's what we're

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doing today. Yep. And you're welcome to jump

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with us, but first, let's jump into our back

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-in -time hole. Whoa! Back in time. Alright!

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So, Holes came out in 2003. We already did that

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back in time here this season. It was actually

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our season premiere. So go back. I'm sure we

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talked about Holes. Probably. Back in time. But

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we're doing 2000. And the reason I decided that

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2000 would be a good alternate was because Even

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Stevens came out in 2000. And the star of Holes

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is Shia LaBeouf. Shia LaBeouf's breakout role

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was Even Stevens. Full circle. We did it. And

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Even Stevens is one of my favorite Disney shows

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that was ever on. I really liked it. When did

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The Hole's book come out? Because, okay, let's

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be honest. I didn't really start reading until

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recently, right? Yeah. So back in, like, high

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school, well, middle school, high school, college

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even, I, like, never read the required reading.

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It was for my gifted class, and it was one of

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the ones that, like, we could pick a book to

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do a book report on, and I picked Holes. Nice.

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But it was in middle school, I think, so the

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movie had been out for a while. Like, I already

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knew about it. It was 98 the book came out. Oh,

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okay. So we've also done 98 this year. Because

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I was like, why didn't I pick that? We've already

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done that year as well. But so yeah, 1998 and

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then 2003. So 2000, kind of right there smack

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dab in the middle. Yep. Let me see. So some other

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shows that came out. Gilmore Girls came out in

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2000. Okay. Love it. Malcolm in the Middle. Okay.

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I've never really watched that. I watched some

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of it. Yeah. Not a whole lot though. I know I've

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seen it. Like I've seen episodes, but I was never

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like super duper into it. No, neither was I.

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Dora. Dora, Dora, Dora the Explorer. Dora. Something.

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Boots is simple. Grab your backpack. Jump in.

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Oh, yeah. Let's go. Jump in. You can lead the

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way. Hey, hey. Yu -Gi -Oh. I watched the shit

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out of Yu -Gi -Oh. Yeah, I had a lot of, like,

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my guy friends, a lot of them played Yu -Gi -Oh

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when we were in school. X -Men Evolution was

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a cartoon. Clifford the Big Red Dog. I watched

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Clifford. I did, too. I liked it a lot. Yeah.

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apparently Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. It

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was a show that was on for a year. Obviously

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didn't do well. Sorry, Buzz. Oh my god, Jackass.

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I watched a lot of Jackass. Too much, one might

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say. One might say. One might say. As Told by

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Ginger. Oh. That was, I watched so much As Told

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by Ginger. I liked As Told by Ginger a lot. I

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loved it. It was so good. I loved her mom. I

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don't remember. I remember really liking her

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mom. Oh, Hamtaro. The hamsters? I watched him.

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That's why I wanted a hamster. Me too. And I

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got, and I named him Hammy. I didn't get a hamster.

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My mom didn't want me to have anything with fur.

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Okay. Um, I had hermit crabs and I had a gecko

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at one point and I had some fish and that it

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was mostly just the robotic dogs and the for

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real friends after that. I had the robot dog.

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Yeah. I had the robot dog. I had like a bunch

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of the for real friends that would come out and

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she really, and that would, you know, scratch

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my itch for about 45 minutes. And I'm like, please

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give me a dog. And I didn't get a dog until I

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was 17. So. Well. I had a hamster. Yeah, hamster.

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I loved Hamtaro. I loved Hamtaro. I loved it.

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It was so cute. It was so cute. It's a lovely

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hamster. Oh, my God. That show Cheaters came

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out. Were they bus cheaters? Oh, yeah. The reality

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show? It's still going. Is it really? Apparently,

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yeah. Well, people still cheat, so. Till the

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end of time. Unfortunately. Until the end of

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time. I have some facts. Yeah, hit me with some

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facts, dude. The game The Sims was released.

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You know, I've not played it very much. I'm not

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a big Sims fan. I... Okay, so, like, I love creating

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my person and building my house. Yeah. Once I'm

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done with that, I'm done with the game. I love

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games like that. Like, I love to create a life

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and have a world. But then I, too, lose steam.

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Yeah. Like, I don't want to keep going. I'm just

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like, ugh, now I have to, like, make money. I

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would just do the cheat code. Yeah. So I could

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like build mansions. It kind of reminds me of

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when Millsbury was a thing, which Millsbury was

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a community created by General Mills Cereal.

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And I was on it. And I had like all these Millsbury

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people because I loved creating the house and

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the person. And then I would get kind of bored.

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So I'd do it again and again and again. Yep.

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It was the same diff. Yep. Coldplay released

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their debut album. Ooh. The Last Peanuts comic

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strip was published. Aw. Because the guy died.

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Oh, bummer. The Broadway musical Cats closed

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after 7 ,485 performances. A dozen eggs cost

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89 cents. I'm going to throw up until I'm dead.

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That's so sad. I know. I just paid like five

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whole dollars. For like six? Four dollars an

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egg. E -Harmony launched. Oh, I love love. The

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U .S. population was 281 ,421 ,906. I stopped

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listening. The current today U .S. population

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is 347 ,275 ,807. Hey, did you know Cedar Point,

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the Millennium Force ride, opened? I know. Which

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one's the Magnum XL1? I don't know. This is the

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Millennium Force, which is what opened in 2000.

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Okay, that's a good ride. Is it? Yes. Fun fact,

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I've never been to Cedar Point. However, I used

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to live in Ohio. Skippity, Ohio. Got it. I'm

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going to just ignore that. And you could see

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the roller coasters from Cedar Point from my

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back door. But you've never went. But I don't

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think we ever went. Not that I recall. Mike and

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I went to Cedar Point, and it was really good.

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I was really young when we lived there, but I...

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I know we would have pictures and stuff. My mom

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took pictures of fucking everything. We never

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went. The Nokia 3310 phone release, which was

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that one. I had that one. Remember that brick

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house? Yeah, I had that one and I had a case

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for it that had hearts all over it. It looks

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very similar to when I started being able to

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get track phones much later. So by the time I

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was able to get a track phone. This was a couple

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years old, obviously. So this was very dated.

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I want to look up the Nokia sound real quick

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because it just brings back the memes. Because

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I know my first track phone, which again was

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a few years, like 2006 probably, was a Motorola.

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Oh my God. I've just been transported. Memory.

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Speaking of cats. Yeah. Hey, you know, they just

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picked the new Pope. Yeah. From America. Yeah,

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but in 2000, Pope John Paul II apologized for

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wrongdoings by members of the Catholic Church

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throughout the ages. Okay. All of them, I guess.

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Okay. I feel like I agree. Yeah. It might be

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time for another apology. Another apology tour.

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Let's just do a YouTube apology video. Just re

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-upload it every 15 to 20 years. Yeah. Would

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you like to hear some companies from 2000 that

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no longer exist? Yeah, I guess. I'm gonna get

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sad. AltaVista. Oh, okay. Blockbuster. Although

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technically there is still one Blockbuster store.

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Yeah. But I don't know. Borders. Ugh. Circuit

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City. I miss you. Ugh. I miss you too. Forgot

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about you, to be honest. Those are... Napster.

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Oh, yeah. That was the one. Radio Shack. I remember

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Radio Shack in the mall. I hated it in there.

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It always felt like, not all Radio Shacks, I'm

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not saying that, but the one in our mall here.

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I remember going in there like a couple times

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and I felt like it was a cover. I mean, it probably

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was. It felt like. Like mattress stores. Yeah,

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like there's something happening in the back

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that I don't, I want to get out of here. Can

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we just go over to Wet Seal, please? Like. Sharper

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Image. Ooh, yep. Walden Books. That was my shit.

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That's where I went for the midnight releases.

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That's where I bought my books in the mall. That's

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where I had to apologize for my father's behavior

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every holiday shopping season. Because we'd go

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in and get my mom something and he'd be a dick

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and I'd have to be like, I'm really sorry. And

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I'm like 10 and I know he's like 40. And yeah,

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I have to go home with this and you don't. So

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maybe just suck it up, Brenda. Anyways. That's

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all I got. That's all I got. The PlayStation

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2 in Japan launched. Didn't the GameCube also

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come out? That I don't know. That I don't know.

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Do you want to go out with some songs? Yeah.

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So the Billboard. Year end. Hot 100 singles of

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2000. The Millennium. Say My Name. Say my name,

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say my name. When no one is around you. Say baby,

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I love you. Higher by Creed. Can you take me

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higher? Good job. Thanks. Smooth by Santana.

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What a Girl Wants. What a girl wants. What a

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girl needs. Whatever keeps me happy and sets

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you free. I'm gonna thank you for knowing exactly

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what a girl wants. There You Go by Pink. But

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I don't know the lyrics. It's my favorite Pink

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song, I think. Maybe ever. Back at One by Brian

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McKnight. One. It's like a dream come true. Two.

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Just want to be with you. Three. Girl, it's plain

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to see that you're the only one for me. And four.

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Repeat steps one through three. Five. Make you

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fall in love with me. Classic. Love it. Love

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it. The thong song. Thong, thong, thong, thong.

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I Try by Macy Gray. I try to say goodbye and

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I choke. I try to walk away and I stumble. Show

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Me the Meaning of Being Lonely. Show me the meaning

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of being lonely. Oh, this is my, this is probably

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my favorite. Absolutely. Story of a Girl. This

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is the story of a girl who cried a river and

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drowned the whole world. Raise your hand if you

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learned that song from Lizzie McGuire. It was

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in the Picture Days episode, I think. Oh. And

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that's when I first heard it. And I was like,

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this is bitchin'. This is a story of a girl who

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them holes. Digging it. Digging up them holes.

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So, Holes is a movie from 2003 that is based

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on a book and Shia LaBeouf's character Stanley

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Yelnats IV he allegedly steals some shoes from

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a famous baseball player. Played by Rick Fox,

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who is just delicious. And he has to go to a

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juvenile delinquent camp in Texas. I think it's

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in Texas. It just never rains. I don't remember.

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I'm pretty sure it's in Texas. I think that's

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part of it. And they dig holes every day to build

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character. Of course. It builds character. Yeah.

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But they're really looking for treasure. Treasure.

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Treasure. Kissing Kate Barlow's treasure, which

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is an old outlaw. But you gotta be careful because

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they have the, oh, what are the yellow spotted

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lizards? Yep, yep. And rattlesnakes. Of course.

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Which is why there's even a vacancy at Camp Greenlake

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because one of the boys tried to kill themselves.

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Remember the beginning? Barfbag? Yeah. He gets

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bitten by a rattlesnake and that's why there's

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an impromptu opening at Camp Greenlake. Which

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there is no lake. Nope. Remember when he's coming

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in on the bus and he goes, where's the lake?

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And they're like, what did I tell you? Don't

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be a wise guy. It's like, oh, it's Canterbury

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Lake. Oh, and he's at court. He's like, well,

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I've never been to camp. Never been to camp before.

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Neither have I. Me neither. I didn't have that

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kind of. Did you know that there's an adult camp?

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Do you mean a murder location? Yes, you do. It's

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in New York. It's for murders. It's called. Don't

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say what it's called. I don't want to get sued.

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Because it's for murders. Even though it's definitely

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for murders. Okay. Why would you have an adult

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camp unless you're going to get murdered? For

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fun. Is that what they called Jonestown, too,

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when they all killed themselves and drank Kool

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-Aid? Oh, let's go to camp. No, it's called cult,

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not camp. Same diff. Is it? I think so. Look,

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I've never been to camp. We were not in the camp

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tax bracket when I was growing up. No, we didn't

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have money for camp. And I hated other kids and

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people. So I was like, even if we did, I think

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I would have been like, please, hard pass. Um,

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it's weird. It's weird. It's a weird concept.

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Camps, regular camps, not camps where you dig

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holes for treasure and moral fiber. It's weird.

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It's so weird to me. It's like, let's just all

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ship away and sleep in bunk beds with kids we

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don't know and have these weird adults that have

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very little qualifications to teach us how to

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make fucking macrame and then canoes and then...

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It's weird. It's weird. I don't know. I feel

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like if I... Was a parent. I would want to get

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rid of my kid during the summer, too. I wouldn't

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want to send them to camp. They may never come

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back. Okay. What's the problem here? You don't

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want kids. You don't want kids. This is different.

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If you have kids and you like them, I wouldn't

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recommend. It's just weird. Also, as somebody

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who, I'm not a big fan of, like, if I did have

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children of my own, which I don't, but if I did,

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I don't, there'd be no camps, there would be

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no sleepovers, there would be nothing like that.

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You wouldn't do sleepovers? No. It's dangerous.

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For abuse. Well, what if you have the sleepover

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at your house? That's fine. Okay. But they're

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not going anywhere. Okay. With, like, overnight.

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It's prime spots for predators, is all I'm saying.

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Okay. And I very much believe that. I wasn't

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allowed to go to sleepovers. But my mom, for

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the same reason, was like, no sleepovers. I didn't

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sleep over until middle school. Yeah, I think

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I was allowed to go to them once I was, I think

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I went to, like, two or three. But I was, like,

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in very late elementary school. Anyways, Camp

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Green Lake. Not Camp Crystal Lake. Well, could

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have been the same. I'd rather, well, you know

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what? I'd rather be at Camp Crystal Lake than

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Camp Green Lake because I do not have the body

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strength to dig holes. I'd rather just be murdered.

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Yeah. The first hole I dig is the last hole I'm

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digging and I'm just getting at it and waiting

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for death. Yeah. So, I don't know. Let's go through

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some of the characters, I guess, to start off.

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So, Stanley Yelnats III. Fourth. The third, the

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dad. Oh, okay. Henry Winkler. Henry, I love him.

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He's great. It's so funny that he's trying to

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create a shoe deodorizer. And that's his whole

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life. I don't remember that. That wasn't in the

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book. We're not talking about the book. I know,

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but I'm just trying to remember. It's been a

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long time. I don't remember anything about the

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book. I read it the one time in school and that

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was it. I just remember being surprised that

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it. It stayed, like, true to movie. Or, like,

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the movie stayed true to book. Okay. Well, that's

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good. That's always a good sign, I see. So it

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might have been correct that his dad was doing

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that. I just like... Mad scientist. Yeah. I just

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love that phrase. The house was a fucking disaster.

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Oh, yeah. And the grandpa was like... I like

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the beginning scene where the cops come to get

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Stanley IV. And he's like, you don't have to

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answer that. Don't tell them that. We have the

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right to remain silent. He's just so firm, but

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in a really funny way. I really like him. And

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then he tells the story of Stanley Yelnats, your

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no -good, dirty, rotten, pig -stealing great

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-great -grandfather, which their family's cursed.

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And I relate to that. I remember seeing that

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movie as a kid. Did your dirty, rotten, pig -sealing

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great -grandfather fuck shit up? Of course. I

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believe so. I don't have a great... I don't have,

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like, the origin story. We've not all been like,

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oh, well, this is because of, you know, Grandpa

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Jay. I don't know. But I'm sure. So, good representation

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for Family Curses. Love it. Mm -hmm. But yeah,

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so, I like... The Stanleys are all sick. My favorite...

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He goes to the camp and obviously he's got his

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little crew detent x -ray. And I like Magnet.

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Oh, yeah. He seems nice. And then obviously Zero.

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Zero's my fave. Zero's my fave, probably. The

00:22:30.509 --> 00:22:33.450
little guy. And then I like Zigzag. Zigzag's

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the weird one. The one that steals cars. No.

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No, that's... Later. Yeah, when they think that

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Stanley's gone. When they think that Zero's gone.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what they call

00:22:46.710 --> 00:22:49.849
him, but... Twitch? Twitch! Yeah, he's all Twitchy

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and he steals cars. Yes. I liked him. Yeah, he

00:22:53.170 --> 00:22:58.490
was cool, but he came later. Armpit. Yeah. Armpit.

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A -R -M -P -I -T -H -E -T. What is that? You

00:23:01.029 --> 00:23:03.150
smell a dog? That's me. Don't take showers. Don't

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brush my teeth. All I do is dig holes, eat, and

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sleep. Yep. And then Squid. Squid's the other

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kid that... He talks to him a lot. He tells him

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about, like... when x -ray goes in for the shortest

00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.220
shovel he tells them he tells him why he's like

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shorter shovel smaller hole he's in a lot of

00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.579
scenes like he talks a lot but he's like not

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he doesn't have a super recognizable nickname

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so um but yeah i'd say my tops i like zigzag

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just because he's so fucking weird zigzag is

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the one that um he's tall he kind of has an accent

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yeah and he's like with the the hair yeah with

00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:42.059
the hair You got to go dig those holes. And I

00:23:42.059 --> 00:23:46.160
love that. But yeah, Zero is just... I love him

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so much. He just wants to learn how to read.

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And I like... He's good at digging holes. He's

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so good. You know? Everybody has different talents.

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But he's just like, can you teach me how to read?

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And it was Zero all along that... was the reason

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.579
why Stanley was there to begin with. Yeah, so

00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:05.579
if you're unfamiliar... Which I think is so funny

00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:09.299
because the shoes that were stolen were cleats

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that were too big for Zero. And in, like, the...

00:24:15.740 --> 00:24:19.220
Showing him steal the cleats and running with

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them was hilarious because they did not fit.

00:24:23.210 --> 00:24:25.609
Yeah, well, he just wanted shoes. He just wanted

00:24:25.609 --> 00:24:27.309
shoes, and they were nice shoes. I mean, and

00:24:27.309 --> 00:24:28.829
they're cool. Like, he wasn't thinking that much

00:24:28.829 --> 00:24:30.970
about it. And that really, they are just kids.

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It's not this, like, watching it now, especially,

00:24:34.910 --> 00:24:36.089
it's just like, they're just, like, kids, and

00:24:36.089 --> 00:24:37.670
all these things that they did to, like, get

00:24:37.670 --> 00:24:40.549
there and break the law. I mean, yeah, they broke

00:24:40.549 --> 00:24:42.930
the law, but they did it in such a kid way. Like,

00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:45.230
it's not like watching fucking Goodfellas. Yeah.

00:24:45.369 --> 00:24:47.089
Where, you know, it's just, he wanted shoes.

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He thought the shoes were cool, so he took them.

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Yeah, that's why I'm so surprised, though, because,

00:24:50.769 --> 00:24:55.119
like, There was no, like, Stanley was just like,

00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:56.900
he was hit in the head with these shoes. Yeah.

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And then the cops came, like. Wrong place, wrong

00:24:59.180 --> 00:25:01.440
time. Wrong place, wrong time. But, like, it

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.960
was not a fair trial. Fuck you, kid. You stole

00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.319
these shoes. Go dig a hole. Well, criminal justice.

00:25:08.779 --> 00:25:14.519
If you're unfamiliar, basically, Stanley, or

00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.180
if you're not unfamiliar, but if you've forgotten,

00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.319
Stanley goes to Camp Green Lake because he's

00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.839
accused of stealing those shoes. Zero is actually

00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.700
the one who stole the shoes. Also, Zero's family

00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:28.259
and the Yelnats family go back farther because

00:25:28.259 --> 00:25:32.400
the whole curse is because of his great -great

00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.240
-whoever -grandmother, Madame Zeroni. Because

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:39.779
Stanley Yelnats I fucked over Madame Zeroni and

00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:42.099
didn't take her up the mountain to let her drink,

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like, because of this, uh... the solid that she

00:25:46.170 --> 00:25:48.190
did for him yeah back in the old country back

00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:51.789
in the old country he was trying to buy a woman

00:25:51.789 --> 00:25:55.049
essentially you know buy the rights to this woman

00:25:55.049 --> 00:25:58.690
we love love um by having the biggest pig yeah

00:25:58.690 --> 00:26:02.509
so in order to have the biggest pig he had to

00:26:02.509 --> 00:26:06.930
climb up the mountain with the pig carry carry

00:26:06.930 --> 00:26:09.220
the pig up the mountain let him drink And become

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:10.700
big and stronger. Yeah, Madame Zeroni gave him,

00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:13.200
like, a... I mean, it's sold, like, kind of,

00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:15.980
like, magic -y, mystical, but I don't know that

00:26:15.980 --> 00:26:19.039
it is. And her only request was, once you're

00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.799
done with this, you carry me up so I can drink

00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.700
and become strong again. Like, as a thank you.

00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:27.440
Yes. Like, the full circle. And he got the girl

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.940
and just, like, peaced out, I guess. He didn't

00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:32.279
get the girl. I thought he got the girl. No,

00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:36.099
so the pigs are the same size. Oh, she just picked.

00:26:36.380 --> 00:26:39.079
Yeah, so they... Girl's father. Is like, you

00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.740
can pick. You can choose who you want. Novel

00:26:41.740 --> 00:26:44.980
idea. And the other guy is like this old guy

00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:47.079
and he's really gross and whatever. And she's

00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.059
like, well, which one? Whatever. Like, she doesn't

00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.039
immediately pick the young, attractive guy who

00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.460
actually seems to really like her. So he's like,

00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.519
fuck you and fuck this. I'm going to America.

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And he just goes to America and does not come

00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:05.900
back from Madame Zeroni. So family curse ensues.

00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:09.920
Which, fair. Yeah. I think more people would

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:11.420
be better to each other if we could do that.

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:14.500
And maybe we can. Give curses. Witches. I know

00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:16.500
you're out there. Witches unite. You're on TikTok

00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.000
and Instagram. You're out there. I see all your

00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.079
content. I love it. I don't engage with it very

00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.259
much because it's just not for me. I don't know

00:27:23.259 --> 00:27:26.039
anything about it. But maybe you should bring

00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.539
back family curses. Might help some folks. Just

00:27:28.539 --> 00:27:30.680
not to us. No. Well, you already have one, but

00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.680
I don't. I'm sure I, please. I don't need another

00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.920
one. Please. It's, please. We're already so,

00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:38.579
like, dead inside. Can you reverse mine, please?

00:27:38.660 --> 00:27:42.859
Can we talk? Send me a DM. Do you need to carry

00:27:42.859 --> 00:27:46.460
Madame Zeroni up the mountain? Yeah. I do. Madame

00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:48.779
Zeroni, wherever you are. Well, Eartha Kitt is

00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.920
dead. Huh? Eartha Kitt is dead. That's who plays

00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.819
Madame Zeroni. She was a famous singer. Oh. You

00:27:54.819 --> 00:27:57.460
know the song Santa Baby? Santa Baby. That's

00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:00.880
her. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay, cool. So she's dead

00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.039
now. Santa Baby was Madame Zeroni? It's all coming

00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:10.240
together. Is it? Is it? Welcome to the No More

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i like the flashbacks To Kate Barlow. And, I

00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.259
mean, the reason why everything happened with

00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:07.440
her was because of racism. Yeah. Because she

00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.859
fell in love with... Sam. Sam, yep. Who was African

00:29:11.859 --> 00:29:15.920
American. Yep. And they didn't like that. So

00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.099
they set the school on fire and they killed him.

00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.539
And she decided to be a fucking outlaw forever.

00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:25.099
Which, honestly, good for her. I mean, feminism,

00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.119
hello. She's great. I like the flashbacks too.

00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.240
What I like about it is that everything connects.

00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.579
Nothing is an accident. Like, you know, the story

00:29:37.579 --> 00:29:39.859
with Kissin' Kate Barlow and how she's the one

00:29:39.859 --> 00:29:43.400
who robbed another Stanley Yelnats and everything

00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.359
has all this really well thought out connective

00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:50.380
tissue and it's portrayed really well on screen.

00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.180
Yes. And I really love that. Like, it feels like

00:29:53.180 --> 00:29:56.869
a real movie and not just like... sit your kids

00:29:56.869 --> 00:29:58.529
down in front of this so they'll shut up. Yeah,

00:29:58.549 --> 00:30:00.390
because, like, you can get, like, obviously you

00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:01.869
don't know it's all connected until the end,

00:30:01.910 --> 00:30:03.589
but, like, I just like how you have all these

00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:06.029
separate stories. Yeah. And then you're just,

00:30:06.089 --> 00:30:08.869
like, connecting with all of these, like, characters.

00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:11.029
From different times. From different times. And

00:30:11.029 --> 00:30:13.490
then it's just, like, all makes sense. Yep. But

00:30:13.490 --> 00:30:14.869
also, even though you don't know all the connection

00:30:14.869 --> 00:30:17.269
until the end, it's really well paced. Mm -hmm.

00:30:17.430 --> 00:30:20.990
Like, it's not this M. Night Shyamalan pacing

00:30:20.990 --> 00:30:23.750
where it's like, oh my god, what? It's... You

00:30:23.750 --> 00:30:26.009
kind of get everything gradually that keeps you

00:30:26.009 --> 00:30:29.289
wanting to watch, but also keeps enough mystery

00:30:29.289 --> 00:30:32.049
that you're not bored. Right. I really enjoy

00:30:32.049 --> 00:30:37.890
it. And then it all connects even further because

00:30:37.890 --> 00:30:40.369
we talked about when we first started that his

00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:44.289
dad wants to make a shoe deodorizer. And the

00:30:44.289 --> 00:30:48.430
thing that keeps them alive is drinking the juice

00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:52.490
from the peaches that Sam made, or canned. And

00:30:52.490 --> 00:30:54.470
the onions that are on God's Thumb Mountain.

00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:58.529
And that mixture, apparently, is great for...

00:30:58.529 --> 00:31:01.450
Deodorizing. Yep. And then the whole reason why

00:31:01.450 --> 00:31:06.410
the curse is broken is because Stanley carries

00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:11.049
Zero up the Thumb. Yep. And he sings that song

00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:16.029
while he drinks from the stream. Just idly. He

00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:18.109
knows that song from his family history, so he's

00:31:18.109 --> 00:31:20.150
just singing it. But he happens to be singing

00:31:20.150 --> 00:31:23.789
it while Zero... drinks from the stream on god's

00:31:23.789 --> 00:31:27.609
thumb mountain and it undoes the curse and then

00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:31.930
everybody wins and it rains yeah and then all

00:31:31.930 --> 00:31:36.710
of the uh kids at the camp because they realize

00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:41.650
that it's not sanctioned no um multiple violations

00:31:41.650 --> 00:31:45.430
multiple violations gets to leave yeah um and

00:31:45.430 --> 00:31:49.650
then in the end end they all like have houses

00:31:49.650 --> 00:31:51.750
to get, mansions, because, like, they were owed

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:54.349
a ton of money because of the situation they

00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:55.869
were in. Well, and the treasure. Well, and the

00:31:55.869 --> 00:31:57.910
treasure. The treasure, yeah. So the treasure

00:31:57.910 --> 00:32:00.809
that was stolen by Kiss and Kate Barlow, the

00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:02.809
whole reason that the camp exists is because

00:32:02.809 --> 00:32:05.930
they want to find this treasure, and the treasure

00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:08.170
belongs to the Yelnats family. Because his name

00:32:08.170 --> 00:32:10.650
is on the treasure box. The treasure box! Yeah.

00:32:10.670 --> 00:32:13.990
So they get it, and it's a bunch of money, and

00:32:13.990 --> 00:32:17.170
they can use it to buy mansions and do all this

00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:19.539
cool stuff. And they spread the love. Yeah, I

00:32:19.539 --> 00:32:24.039
like how... Something that made me laugh. Okay.

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.259
So they're... When Stanley and Zero come back

00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:32.000
to find the treasure, because they know where

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.680
the hole is based on that rock. Yeah. And they

00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.039
dig the hole and they find the treasure, right?

00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:42.160
Yeah. When... But they don't move because of

00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.140
all of the... Yellow -spotted litters. Yellow

00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:47.349
-spotted litters. Litters? Yeah. But they don't

00:32:47.349 --> 00:32:49.470
know that they're okay because the onions. Yeah.

00:32:49.509 --> 00:32:51.829
Because they had no idea. But when everyone comes

00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:53.829
back and sees them, all of a sudden there are

00:32:53.829 --> 00:32:57.049
stairs. Did you know that there's, like, they

00:32:57.049 --> 00:32:59.049
just, like, walk in, they're, like, in the hole,

00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:01.849
but all of a sudden, like, these stairs in the

00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:05.269
ground appear. Did you not notice that? No, I

00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:05.990
don't know what you're talking about. Oh, very

00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:08.910
inconsistent. Yeah, no, I was not aware of this.

00:33:08.910 --> 00:33:10.890
Because they just dug the hole, obviously, and

00:33:10.890 --> 00:33:12.490
they, like, dug into the hole and, like, created

00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.680
it bigger so they could find, um. the treasure,

00:33:15.819 --> 00:33:17.579
but, like, whenever they, like, come out of the

00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:20.500
hole, it's just, like, this stair. This, like,

00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.160
staircase. They climb out of the hole. What do

00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.700
you mean? They climb out. No, they don't. Yeah,

00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.279
they do. What are you talking about? I'll show

00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.519
you. Okay. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking

00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.960
about. But anyways, I also like the fact that,

00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.180
um, they think Zero can't read, but he was like,

00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:42.460
this is his. Yeah, it says his name. Stan Lee

00:33:42.460 --> 00:33:46.500
yelled that. It's like, your name is the same

00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:48.559
forward as it is backwards. Reading is power.

00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.500
Can we talk for one moment about Sigourney Weaver

00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:55.539
being so fucking cool? The warden. Yeah, in her

00:33:55.539 --> 00:33:58.900
jean shirt and jean pants. Absolutely. And boots.

00:33:58.900 --> 00:34:02.160
Yeah. For me, it's the rattlesnake venom that

00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.799
she puts in her nail polish. That is so hot.

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.619
And when she slaps Mr. Sir. I just like that

00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:13.699
he calls himself Mr. Sir. Yeah, but his real

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:16.360
name is like, what, Muriel or something? It's

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.460
like really fucking stupid. Yeah. But she hits

00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:22.980
him and his face gets so fucked up because of

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:25.380
the rattlesnake venom in her nail polish. And

00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:32.199
her car is cool. And I like that part where she

00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.980
comes out after they think they've found a clue

00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:40.489
to the treasure. you know, inherited the place

00:34:40.489 --> 00:34:42.530
and has been looking for the treasure ever since

00:34:42.530 --> 00:34:44.030
her grandfather was looking for the treasure.

00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:47.869
Right. So, um, I like that part where they think

00:34:47.869 --> 00:34:50.349
they found a clue, that lipstick tube of kissing

00:34:50.349 --> 00:34:53.530
Kate Barlow's. And she's like, fill everyone's

00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:58.829
canteen. And, uh, Dr. Pendanski, mom is like,

00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.000
At the beginning, I'm just like, this guy seems

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.019
nice. No, he's a fuck. He's mean to Zero from

00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:07.099
the jump. That's true. But she's like, fill everyone's

00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:09.159
canteen. And he's like, I already filled them.

00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.360
And she's just like, fucking what did you say?

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:15.380
Excuse me? Yeah. And then she grabs one and she

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:16.940
shakes it right in front of his head and goes,

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:22.519
can you hear the empty spaces? I love it. I love

00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:26.119
it. Like, she's, I love her. She's doing horrible

00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.769
things. Because she was tired of this grandpa.

00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:31.989
Yeah. Yeah, she's doing horrible things. But

00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:35.429
I like the character. She's really fun to watch.

00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:38.269
Yeah, she's badass. Mr. Sir's name is Marion.

00:35:38.650 --> 00:35:42.989
I was close. I said Muriel. Yeah. Muriel is from

00:35:42.989 --> 00:35:47.829
Courage the Cowardly Dog. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure.

00:35:48.530 --> 00:35:52.250
But yeah, she's super cool. And then, I don't

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:55.789
know. I just like the camaraderie. Of all the

00:35:55.789 --> 00:35:58.449
boys. Like, it's just, they do, you know, kind

00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.030
of tease each other and bully each other a little

00:36:00.030 --> 00:36:02.929
bit. But it doesn't get, like, horrific. You

00:36:02.929 --> 00:36:04.929
know what I mean? They're just assholes. They're

00:36:04.929 --> 00:36:07.269
not even that much of an asshole. Not really.

00:36:07.389 --> 00:36:09.849
The boys aren't. I mean, no more than they are

00:36:09.849 --> 00:36:12.730
to each other or to Caveman, a .k .a. Stanley.

00:36:12.989 --> 00:36:17.170
Right. Like, they're not, it's all within the

00:36:17.170 --> 00:36:21.750
realm of, like, normal. Yeah. Kids just ripping

00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:24.429
on each other. They do seem to have a close bond.

00:36:24.550 --> 00:36:26.489
I mean, it's definitely a trauma bond. Let's

00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:29.489
be real. But I do like it. Like watching it makes

00:36:29.489 --> 00:36:31.530
me feel like I'm like with friends. Yeah. You

00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:33.349
know what I mean? And I also, I guess I never,

00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:36.769
I get back in, back in the day when I first watched

00:36:36.769 --> 00:36:39.730
it. Yeah. I was always just like, how can you

00:36:39.730 --> 00:36:42.610
just leave your kid zero? Yeah. How can you just

00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:47.710
leave him in a, like, uh. park yeah but they

00:36:47.710 --> 00:36:50.750
were homeless she wasn't like abandoning him

00:36:50.750 --> 00:36:53.570
right they were homeless and she had to go and

00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:56.909
work get money whatever their situation was and

00:36:56.909 --> 00:37:00.329
he happened to be discovered by authorities right

00:37:00.329 --> 00:37:02.250
well see but that's what i'm saying like back

00:37:02.250 --> 00:37:03.989
then i'm just like well how could this happen

00:37:03.989 --> 00:37:06.510
yeah but as an adult looking like into i'm just

00:37:06.510 --> 00:37:08.610
like okay it's a lot more nuanced yeah you get

00:37:08.610 --> 00:37:11.369
a lot more of those nuances that go with the

00:37:11.369 --> 00:37:14.750
intersections of crime and poverty and race and

00:37:14.750 --> 00:37:16.909
there's a lot of that in this movie yeah really

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:21.090
it's it's not so much that a kid can't watch

00:37:21.090 --> 00:37:23.510
it and enjoy it and get the movie and get the

00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:25.849
moral of the story but watching it as an adult

00:37:25.849 --> 00:37:27.369
which is something we try to talk about when

00:37:27.369 --> 00:37:30.250
we relive these things you can see a lot of those

00:37:30.250 --> 00:37:32.969
intersections and that nuance which is it's it's

00:37:32.969 --> 00:37:35.769
cool it makes for a good experience that's well

00:37:35.769 --> 00:37:38.150
-rounded still holds up you know what i mean

00:37:39.009 --> 00:37:40.929
So I like that. What are some other things that

00:37:40.929 --> 00:37:43.250
are hitting different as an adult or that, I

00:37:43.250 --> 00:37:44.809
don't know, not necessarily different, but just

00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:48.030
you notice watching it now that maybe you didn't

00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:50.170
notice when you were watching it as a kid? Well,

00:37:50.190 --> 00:37:53.190
obviously as a kid, I didn't catch on to the

00:37:53.190 --> 00:37:57.309
racism with Kate and Sam. Yeah. Because I'm like,

00:37:57.409 --> 00:37:59.449
why can't they be together? You know what I mean?

00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:02.510
Why would they kill him? I think I got it. Well,

00:38:02.610 --> 00:38:04.809
you know. I was a real history kid, though. I

00:38:04.809 --> 00:38:07.110
was not. I liked history a lot, so I kind of

00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:10.190
understood some of that. You're right. It's similar

00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:13.849
to what we just said. It's there. You don't have

00:38:13.849 --> 00:38:17.050
to get it. But as an adult, you can really see

00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:19.809
deeper into the story. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah,

00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:24.110
definitely that. I think for me, the thing that

00:38:24.110 --> 00:38:28.750
is more infuriating as an adult is how terribly

00:38:28.750 --> 00:38:32.429
the camp... Is running. Oh, yeah. And how, I

00:38:32.429 --> 00:38:33.949
mean, because it's, when you're a kid, it's obvious.

00:38:34.070 --> 00:38:36.610
Like, it's bad. It's a bad place to be. But you

00:38:36.610 --> 00:38:39.110
don't really understand, like, from an adult's

00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:43.750
perspective of, like, the violations. How bad

00:38:43.750 --> 00:38:47.510
it really is. Yeah. And then as, like, watching

00:38:47.510 --> 00:38:50.349
it now, I'm like, oh my god. How the fuck are

00:38:50.349 --> 00:38:53.590
court, is this court ordered? Yeah. Who's doing

00:38:53.590 --> 00:38:56.070
these audits? Yeah. They have to be inspecting

00:38:56.070 --> 00:38:58.769
this place sometimes, right? Yeah. And that they

00:38:58.769 --> 00:39:01.230
could just, like, destroy files. Because remember

00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:03.289
when Zero runs off. They just got rid of it.

00:39:03.610 --> 00:39:05.150
Yeah, they're like, destroy the file. He was

00:39:05.150 --> 00:39:06.929
never here. Yeah. Because he's a ward of the

00:39:06.929 --> 00:39:09.269
state. And he had no family. Yeah. So we can

00:39:09.269 --> 00:39:11.150
just get rid of him. And the fact that they could

00:39:11.150 --> 00:39:13.630
feasibly do that and probably have done it before

00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:17.989
is insane. And that the food and there's no,

00:39:18.090 --> 00:39:20.250
there's hardly any water. Like, the conditions

00:39:20.250 --> 00:39:25.820
are horrific. And they're just, it's fine. welcome

00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:29.880
to Texas, I guess. I don't know. I do like it

00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:31.519
that it rained when they came back though. Cause

00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.239
like it was, it was a nice like climactic moment.

00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:39.360
I liked it too. It felt like a, like a resolve

00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.780
for everything. Like they'd been so miserable

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:44.280
in that heat and the whole, it's really well,

00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.940
like the setting is great. It's really immersive.

00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.880
So the, it raining really tiles into that. Cause

00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.059
man, when you're watching it, I get parched.

00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.199
Like, you can just feel the, like, it's hot.

00:39:58.420 --> 00:40:03.800
The dry. Desolate. And then the rain. I just

00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.360
choked. I need it. I need it. But it really does,

00:40:07.539 --> 00:40:11.960
it's, you can almost feel, like, the relief that

00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.199
comes with the rain. And that's something for,

00:40:15.219 --> 00:40:20.840
like, a really visually impactful movie. Again,

00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.409
kid or not, so. I think we'd be remiss if we

00:40:25.409 --> 00:40:29.650
didn't talk about the song. Which song? The song.

00:40:30.289 --> 00:40:34.030
Digging up them holes. Digging it. Do you remember

00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:36.590
watching Disney Channel back in the 2000s and

00:40:36.590 --> 00:40:38.250
in the commercials they would play the music

00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:43.690
video? Mm -hmm. My favorite thing ever. Two,

00:40:43.690 --> 00:40:46.769
hold on, two something, two tokens in hand. I

00:40:46.769 --> 00:40:49.530
got no respect cause I'm the new man. I got my

00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.710
shovel, shoes full of sand. Check out the tag.

00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:55.809
The name's Caveman. Oh. Caveman. I almost said

00:40:55.809 --> 00:40:58.869
Sandman. You did say Sandman. Wake up in the

00:40:58.869 --> 00:41:01.650
morning before the sun. Keep digging that hole

00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:05.550
till the day is done. And we know armpit. Yeah.

00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:09.389
We've said that every time. X -Ray is the one

00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:12.010
that has like a, it's like a real rap. Yeah.

00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:19.719
His part. It's like. I loved it. Like seeing

00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.260
this, I felt so cool listening to this and knowing

00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:26.519
the words. It was just cool. As a kid, it was

00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.800
super cool. And honestly, now. Someone commented

00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.820
on this and said, Disney used to play the absolute

00:41:31.820 --> 00:41:34.619
hell out of this video on pretty much every commercial

00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.619
break. And it just never got old. This is beyond

00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:39.880
a certified classic. I could, you know, it's

00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.980
not on Spotify and it really fucking should be.

00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.539
It's not on Spotify? It wasn't last time I checked,

00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.280
because I tried to listen to it, like, not that

00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.500
long ago. Let me look up that detent voice. They

00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:55.239
don't have it. See, this is why I liked YouTube

00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.500
music better. Because anything that's on YouTube

00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:02.719
is on YouTube music. Well. But I don't pay for...

00:42:03.019 --> 00:42:05.039
platinum anymore or premium yeah i don't know

00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.300
premium i used to but then i'm like nah i'll

00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:10.980
just go to spotify i'm gonna be real one of the

00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:13.000
main reasons that i'm like we have got to keep

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.880
disney plus is so that i can watch holes whenever

00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.880
i want see now i want to go home watch holes

00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.619
and i think i will i think i will too i have

00:42:20.619 --> 00:42:23.159
to put clothes away so yeah i'll watch it i had

00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.119
it on this morning i mean i like i said i did

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.760
a rewatch not that long ago to like for this

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.559
yeah then I mean, it's before we decided to do

00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.179
this, but it's been on the list for a while.

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:34.579
But I just like to watch it every so often because

00:42:34.579 --> 00:42:41.380
it holds up. It's so good. If anyone that's listening

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:44.199
to this right now has never watched Holes. Or

00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.619
if you haven't watched it since you were a kid,

00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:50.880
watch it. Watch it right now. Right now. Dig

00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.860
the hole. Well, you don't need to dig holes.

00:42:54.380 --> 00:42:56.900
But it builds character. You know, I don't think

00:42:56.900 --> 00:42:59.579
I've ever dug a hole. I've used a shovel. Like,

00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:02.860
in the sand. I've used a shovel. Yeah. On dirt.

00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.019
But I've never dug a hole. No. I've never, like,

00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.280
dug a hole for a body or anything. No, definitely

00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.860
not. Never did that. For sure. Never did it.

00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.099
Never. Why would you even say that? So sincere.

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.210
Yeah, never happened. No, it's how I fucked up

00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:23.269
my back for the first time. I was using a shovel

00:43:23.269 --> 00:43:26.010
and digging, not a hole, but like digging into

00:43:26.010 --> 00:43:28.690
the ground to make a patio. So you're just not

00:43:28.690 --> 00:43:32.710
cut out to dig holes? Nah. Especially not now.

00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:36.190
Oh no, I would probably kill myself on, not even

00:43:36.190 --> 00:43:37.590
on purpose, just an accident. No, I'd just die.

00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.300
I would just die. And in heat? I can't even stand

00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:43.860
in the heat. Are you trying to make me feel like

00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:46.719
I'm in hell? No Camp Green Lake here. But no,

00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:49.260
go watch Holes or at least go listen to the Dig

00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:51.420
It Up song. Like I'm watching the movie in my

00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.260
head, you know, as we're like talking about it.

00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.179
I see the scenes. I know the feelings. I'm all

00:43:56.179 --> 00:43:58.460
happy about it. I love this movie. It's top.

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:00.900
Top tier movie. It's fully an immersive experience,

00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:03.400
but sometimes it's an immersive experience. It's

00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.260
hard to separate yourself from it. Yeah. To talk

00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:07.920
about it. Yeah. But we did our best and we just

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.480
love it so much. You know why I think I can't

00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.460
pick a favorite scene? Why? Because I love it

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:15.039
all. I kind of agree with you. Like, I don't,

00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:16.900
there's not one thing that really like stands

00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:18.800
out to me. The whole movie is great. The whole

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.900
movie is so good. The whole movie is great. I

00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:23.039
super agree with you. I think, because like I

00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.820
said, a few scenes that I like and things that

00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:27.760
I remember, but really it's the whole experience.

00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:30.690
Yeah. holes it's the whole experience it's the

00:44:30.690 --> 00:44:33.789
whole experience the whole experience and just

00:44:33.789 --> 00:44:36.929
just relive it it's a great nostalgic experience

00:44:36.929 --> 00:44:39.030
and it's a movie that definitely holds up even

00:44:39.030 --> 00:44:43.989
as adults yes so amazing work holes great job

00:44:43.989 --> 00:44:57.099
let's dig it and thanks for listening bye Digging

00:44:57.099 --> 00:45:00.940
up them holes. Dig it. Digging up them holes.

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Yeah.
