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Podcast. We talk about nostalgia, life before
and after 30, how things are really going as
we're getting beyond 30 mark and becoming quote
unquote grownups. Some of it great, some of it
not so great. A lot of it mediocre and definitely
nothing like we pictured our lives to be at this
point. And we're just kind of embracing that
and saying, hey, it's kind of fine. See, I don't
even know what I pictured myself, you know? Yeah,
but it's always like you'll have your shit together.
You'll be a grown up. You'll be, you know, you'll
have it all figured out. I feel like for me,
I just have such like an empty thing going on
up here that I just like roll with the punches
and I'm okay. Maybe that's the way to be, you
know? Don't put a lot of pressure on yourself
to have a certain kind of life or have life look
a certain kind of way when you're, you know,
a certain age. By your 30s, by your 40s, whatever.
Like, everybody says we're the most, like, immature
adults. We're the most kid -like grown -ups.
And that's probably true. But I think that that's
fine. Like, let's just embrace what we really
are. I don't need to pretend to be, like, a fucking
uppity, hoity -toity. Oh, yes, the wallpaper.
Fuck. Oh, yes, the wallpaper. Yes, taxes. Fixed
rates. I don't fucking know anything, okay? I'm
waking up each day and I'm trying. And that's
all we can ask of anyone. That's all we can do.
And I'm trying to have a good time and I'm trying
to enjoy my life because we die at the end of
this. Yeah. So what's the point of trying so
hard? You have to have some fun. Yeah, really.
We're just trying to have fun. We're trying to
be honest. And not make people feel bad for not
feeling a certain type of way. Or not getting
to a certain benchmark. Yes. In life. You know,
if you're not there, who fucking cares? You're
here. And that's what matters. You woke up. That's
good. You're trying your best. Or you're trying
the best as you can today. And that's going to
vary day to day. Yeah. And we're here for you.
Some days, you just need to sit down and watch
Holes. And that's what we did. That's what we
did. That's how we got here. And now we're going
to talk about it. Yep. We're reliving Holes.
A favorite. From the early 2000s. And I think
it's one of those movies that everybody has seen.
And everybody... I've never met one person who's
seen it. Yeah. From our generation who doesn't
like it. Everyone should love Holes. It's such
a great movie. It's a solid movie. Not just like
a solid kids movie. No, it's a solid movie. It's
a solid movie. Yeah. And people really like it.
So... And on the daily, I say I'm tired of this,
Grandpa. Yep. Yep. And it's just too damn bad.
I sing that fucking woodpecker jam so much. If
only, if only the woodpecker sighs. The bark
on the tree was as soft as the skies. The wolf
waits alone, hungry and lonely. He cries to the
moon, if only, if only. I also say, um... This
is all because of your no -good, dirty, rotten,
pig -stealing great -great -grandfather. A lot.
So, we're gonna relive holes today. We're gonna
just bathe in nostalgia. And sploosh. Sploosh.
Sploosh. Just jump into a hole. That's what we're
doing today. Yep. And you're welcome to jump
with us, but first, let's jump into our back
-in -time hole. Whoa! Back in time. Alright!
So, Holes came out in 2003. We already did that
back in time here this season. It was actually
our season premiere. So go back. I'm sure we
talked about Holes. Probably. Back in time. But
we're doing 2000. And the reason I decided that
2000 would be a good alternate was because Even
Stevens came out in 2000. And the star of Holes
is Shia LaBeouf. Shia LaBeouf's breakout role
was Even Stevens. Full circle. We did it. And
Even Stevens is one of my favorite Disney shows
that was ever on. I really liked it. When did
The Hole's book come out? Because, okay, let's
be honest. I didn't really start reading until
recently, right? Yeah. So back in, like, high
school, well, middle school, high school, college
even, I, like, never read the required reading.
It was for my gifted class, and it was one of
the ones that, like, we could pick a book to
do a book report on, and I picked Holes. Nice.
But it was in middle school, I think, so the
movie had been out for a while. Like, I already
knew about it. It was 98 the book came out. Oh,
okay. So we've also done 98 this year. Because
I was like, why didn't I pick that? We've already
done that year as well. But so yeah, 1998 and
then 2003. So 2000, kind of right there smack
dab in the middle. Yep. Let me see. So some other
shows that came out. Gilmore Girls came out in
2000. Okay. Love it. Malcolm in the Middle. Okay.
I've never really watched that. I watched some
of it. Yeah. Not a whole lot though. I know I've
seen it. Like I've seen episodes, but I was never
like super duper into it. No, neither was I.
Dora. Dora, Dora, Dora the Explorer. Dora. Something.
Boots is simple. Grab your backpack. Jump in.
Oh, yeah. Let's go. Jump in. You can lead the
way. Hey, hey. Yu -Gi -Oh. I watched the shit
out of Yu -Gi -Oh. Yeah, I had a lot of, like,
my guy friends, a lot of them played Yu -Gi -Oh
when we were in school. X -Men Evolution was
a cartoon. Clifford the Big Red Dog. I watched
Clifford. I did, too. I liked it a lot. Yeah.
apparently Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. It
was a show that was on for a year. Obviously
didn't do well. Sorry, Buzz. Oh my god, Jackass.
I watched a lot of Jackass. Too much, one might
say. One might say. One might say. As Told by
Ginger. Oh. That was, I watched so much As Told
by Ginger. I liked As Told by Ginger a lot. I
loved it. It was so good. I loved her mom. I
don't remember. I remember really liking her
mom. Oh, Hamtaro. The hamsters? I watched him.
That's why I wanted a hamster. Me too. And I
got, and I named him Hammy. I didn't get a hamster.
My mom didn't want me to have anything with fur.
Okay. Um, I had hermit crabs and I had a gecko
at one point and I had some fish and that it
was mostly just the robotic dogs and the for
real friends after that. I had the robot dog.
Yeah. I had the robot dog. I had like a bunch
of the for real friends that would come out and
she really, and that would, you know, scratch
my itch for about 45 minutes. And I'm like, please
give me a dog. And I didn't get a dog until I
was 17. So. Well. I had a hamster. Yeah, hamster.
I loved Hamtaro. I loved Hamtaro. I loved it.
It was so cute. It was so cute. It's a lovely
hamster. Oh, my God. That show Cheaters came
out. Were they bus cheaters? Oh, yeah. The reality
show? It's still going. Is it really? Apparently,
yeah. Well, people still cheat, so. Till the
end of time. Unfortunately. Until the end of
time. I have some facts. Yeah, hit me with some
facts, dude. The game The Sims was released.
You know, I've not played it very much. I'm not
a big Sims fan. I... Okay, so, like, I love creating
my person and building my house. Yeah. Once I'm
done with that, I'm done with the game. I love
games like that. Like, I love to create a life
and have a world. But then I, too, lose steam.
Yeah. Like, I don't want to keep going. I'm just
like, ugh, now I have to, like, make money. I
would just do the cheat code. Yeah. So I could
like build mansions. It kind of reminds me of
when Millsbury was a thing, which Millsbury was
a community created by General Mills Cereal.
And I was on it. And I had like all these Millsbury
people because I loved creating the house and
the person. And then I would get kind of bored.
So I'd do it again and again and again. Yep.
It was the same diff. Yep. Coldplay released
their debut album. Ooh. The Last Peanuts comic
strip was published. Aw. Because the guy died.
Oh, bummer. The Broadway musical Cats closed
after 7 ,485 performances. A dozen eggs cost
89 cents. I'm going to throw up until I'm dead.
That's so sad. I know. I just paid like five
whole dollars. For like six? Four dollars an
egg. E -Harmony launched. Oh, I love love. The
U .S. population was 281 ,421 ,906. I stopped
listening. The current today U .S. population
is 347 ,275 ,807. Hey, did you know Cedar Point,
the Millennium Force ride, opened? I know. Which
one's the Magnum XL1? I don't know. This is the
Millennium Force, which is what opened in 2000.
Okay, that's a good ride. Is it? Yes. Fun fact,
I've never been to Cedar Point. However, I used
to live in Ohio. Skippity, Ohio. Got it. I'm
going to just ignore that. And you could see
the roller coasters from Cedar Point from my
back door. But you've never went. But I don't
think we ever went. Not that I recall. Mike and
I went to Cedar Point, and it was really good.
I was really young when we lived there, but I...
I know we would have pictures and stuff. My mom
took pictures of fucking everything. We never
went. The Nokia 3310 phone release, which was
that one. I had that one. Remember that brick
house? Yeah, I had that one and I had a case
for it that had hearts all over it. It looks
very similar to when I started being able to
get track phones much later. So by the time I
was able to get a track phone. This was a couple
years old, obviously. So this was very dated.
I want to look up the Nokia sound real quick
because it just brings back the memes. Because
I know my first track phone, which again was
a few years, like 2006 probably, was a Motorola.
Oh my God. I've just been transported. Memory.
Speaking of cats. Yeah. Hey, you know, they just
picked the new Pope. Yeah. From America. Yeah,
but in 2000, Pope John Paul II apologized for
wrongdoings by members of the Catholic Church
throughout the ages. Okay. All of them, I guess.
Okay. I feel like I agree. Yeah. It might be
time for another apology. Another apology tour.
Let's just do a YouTube apology video. Just re
-upload it every 15 to 20 years. Yeah. Would
you like to hear some companies from 2000 that
no longer exist? Yeah, I guess. I'm gonna get
sad. AltaVista. Oh, okay. Blockbuster. Although
technically there is still one Blockbuster store.
Yeah. But I don't know. Borders. Ugh. Circuit
City. I miss you. Ugh. I miss you too. Forgot
about you, to be honest. Those are... Napster.
Oh, yeah. That was the one. Radio Shack. I remember
Radio Shack in the mall. I hated it in there.
It always felt like, not all Radio Shacks, I'm
not saying that, but the one in our mall here.
I remember going in there like a couple times
and I felt like it was a cover. I mean, it probably
was. It felt like. Like mattress stores. Yeah,
like there's something happening in the back
that I don't, I want to get out of here. Can
we just go over to Wet Seal, please? Like. Sharper
Image. Ooh, yep. Walden Books. That was my shit.
That's where I went for the midnight releases.
That's where I bought my books in the mall. That's
where I had to apologize for my father's behavior
every holiday shopping season. Because we'd go
in and get my mom something and he'd be a dick
and I'd have to be like, I'm really sorry. And
I'm like 10 and I know he's like 40. And yeah,
I have to go home with this and you don't. So
maybe just suck it up, Brenda. Anyways. That's
all I got. That's all I got. The PlayStation
2 in Japan launched. Didn't the GameCube also
come out? That I don't know. That I don't know.
Do you want to go out with some songs? Yeah.
So the Billboard. Year end. Hot 100 singles of
2000. The Millennium. Say My Name. Say my name,
say my name. When no one is around you. Say baby,
I love you. Higher by Creed. Can you take me
higher? Good job. Thanks. Smooth by Santana.
What a Girl Wants. What a girl wants. What a
girl needs. Whatever keeps me happy and sets
you free. I'm gonna thank you for knowing exactly
what a girl wants. There You Go by Pink. But
I don't know the lyrics. It's my favorite Pink
song, I think. Maybe ever. Back at One by Brian
McKnight. One. It's like a dream come true. Two.
Just want to be with you. Three. Girl, it's plain
to see that you're the only one for me. And four.
Repeat steps one through three. Five. Make you
fall in love with me. Classic. Love it. Love
it. The thong song. Thong, thong, thong, thong.
I Try by Macy Gray. I try to say goodbye and
I choke. I try to walk away and I stumble. Show
Me the Meaning of Being Lonely. Show me the meaning
of being lonely. Oh, this is my, this is probably
my favorite. Absolutely. Story of a Girl. This
is the story of a girl who cried a river and
drowned the whole world. Raise your hand if you
learned that song from Lizzie McGuire. It was
in the Picture Days episode, I think. Oh. And
that's when I first heard it. And I was like,
this is bitchin'. This is a story of a girl who
grabbed a river and drowned the whole world.
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them holes. Digging it. Digging up them holes.
So, Holes is a movie from 2003 that is based
on a book and Shia LaBeouf's character Stanley
Yelnats IV he allegedly steals some shoes from
a famous baseball player. Played by Rick Fox,
who is just delicious. And he has to go to a
juvenile delinquent camp in Texas. I think it's
in Texas. It just never rains. I don't remember.
I'm pretty sure it's in Texas. I think that's
part of it. And they dig holes every day to build
character. Of course. It builds character. Yeah.
But they're really looking for treasure. Treasure.
Treasure. Kissing Kate Barlow's treasure, which
is an old outlaw. But you gotta be careful because
they have the, oh, what are the yellow spotted
lizards? Yep, yep. And rattlesnakes. Of course.
Which is why there's even a vacancy at Camp Greenlake
because one of the boys tried to kill themselves.
Remember the beginning? Barfbag? Yeah. He gets
bitten by a rattlesnake and that's why there's
an impromptu opening at Camp Greenlake. Which
there is no lake. Nope. Remember when he's coming
in on the bus and he goes, where's the lake?
And they're like, what did I tell you? Don't
be a wise guy. It's like, oh, it's Canterbury
Lake. Oh, and he's at court. He's like, well,
I've never been to camp. Never been to camp before.
Neither have I. Me neither. I didn't have that
kind of. Did you know that there's an adult camp?
Do you mean a murder location? Yes, you do. It's
in New York. It's for murders. It's called. Don't
say what it's called. I don't want to get sued.
Because it's for murders. Even though it's definitely
for murders. Okay. Why would you have an adult
camp unless you're going to get murdered? For
fun. Is that what they called Jonestown, too,
when they all killed themselves and drank Kool
-Aid? Oh, let's go to camp. No, it's called cult,
not camp. Same diff. Is it? I think so. Look,
I've never been to camp. We were not in the camp
tax bracket when I was growing up. No, we didn't
have money for camp. And I hated other kids and
people. So I was like, even if we did, I think
I would have been like, please, hard pass. Um,
it's weird. It's weird. It's a weird concept.
Camps, regular camps, not camps where you dig
holes for treasure and moral fiber. It's weird.
It's so weird to me. It's like, let's just all
ship away and sleep in bunk beds with kids we
don't know and have these weird adults that have
very little qualifications to teach us how to
make fucking macrame and then canoes and then...
It's weird. It's weird. I don't know. I feel
like if I... Was a parent. I would want to get
rid of my kid during the summer, too. I wouldn't
want to send them to camp. They may never come
back. Okay. What's the problem here? You don't
want kids. You don't want kids. This is different.
If you have kids and you like them, I wouldn't
recommend. It's just weird. Also, as somebody
who, I'm not a big fan of, like, if I did have
children of my own, which I don't, but if I did,
I don't, there'd be no camps, there would be
no sleepovers, there would be nothing like that.
You wouldn't do sleepovers? No. It's dangerous.
For abuse. Well, what if you have the sleepover
at your house? That's fine. Okay. But they're
not going anywhere. Okay. With, like, overnight.
It's prime spots for predators, is all I'm saying.
Okay. And I very much believe that. I wasn't
allowed to go to sleepovers. But my mom, for
the same reason, was like, no sleepovers. I didn't
sleep over until middle school. Yeah, I think
I was allowed to go to them once I was, I think
I went to, like, two or three. But I was, like,
in very late elementary school. Anyways, Camp
Green Lake. Not Camp Crystal Lake. Well, could
have been the same. I'd rather, well, you know
what? I'd rather be at Camp Crystal Lake than
Camp Green Lake because I do not have the body
strength to dig holes. I'd rather just be murdered.
Yeah. The first hole I dig is the last hole I'm
digging and I'm just getting at it and waiting
for death. Yeah. So, I don't know. Let's go through
some of the characters, I guess, to start off.
So, Stanley Yelnats III. Fourth. The third, the
dad. Oh, okay. Henry Winkler. Henry, I love him.
He's great. It's so funny that he's trying to
create a shoe deodorizer. And that's his whole
life. I don't remember that. That wasn't in the
book. We're not talking about the book. I know,
but I'm just trying to remember. It's been a
long time. I don't remember anything about the
book. I read it the one time in school and that
was it. I just remember being surprised that
it. It stayed, like, true to movie. Or, like,
the movie stayed true to book. Okay. Well, that's
good. That's always a good sign, I see. So it
might have been correct that his dad was doing
that. I just like... Mad scientist. Yeah. I just
love that phrase. The house was a fucking disaster.
Oh, yeah. And the grandpa was like... I like
the beginning scene where the cops come to get
Stanley IV. And he's like, you don't have to
answer that. Don't tell them that. We have the
right to remain silent. He's just so firm, but
in a really funny way. I really like him. And
then he tells the story of Stanley Yelnats, your
no -good, dirty, rotten, pig -stealing great
-great -grandfather, which their family's cursed.
And I relate to that. I remember seeing that
movie as a kid. Did your dirty, rotten, pig -sealing
great -grandfather fuck shit up? Of course. I
believe so. I don't have a great... I don't have,
like, the origin story. We've not all been like,
oh, well, this is because of, you know, Grandpa
Jay. I don't know. But I'm sure. So, good representation
for Family Curses. Love it. Mm -hmm. But yeah,
so, I like... The Stanleys are all sick. My favorite...
He goes to the camp and obviously he's got his
little crew detent x -ray. And I like Magnet.
Oh, yeah. He seems nice. And then obviously Zero.
Zero's my fave. Zero's my fave, probably. The
little guy. And then I like Zigzag. Zigzag's
the weird one. The one that steals cars. No.
No, that's... Later. Yeah, when they think that
Stanley's gone. When they think that Zero's gone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what they call
him, but... Twitch? Twitch! Yeah, he's all Twitchy
and he steals cars. Yes. I liked him. Yeah, he
was cool, but he came later. Armpit. Yeah. Armpit.
A -R -M -P -I -T -H -E -T. What is that? You
smell a dog? That's me. Don't take showers. Don't
brush my teeth. All I do is dig holes, eat, and
sleep. Yep. And then Squid. Squid's the other
kid that... He talks to him a lot. He tells him
about, like... when x -ray goes in for the shortest
shovel he tells them he tells him why he's like
shorter shovel smaller hole he's in a lot of
scenes like he talks a lot but he's like not
he doesn't have a super recognizable nickname
so um but yeah i'd say my tops i like zigzag
just because he's so fucking weird zigzag is
the one that um he's tall he kind of has an accent
yeah and he's like with the the hair yeah with
the hair You got to go dig those holes. And I
love that. But yeah, Zero is just... I love him
so much. He just wants to learn how to read.
And I like... He's good at digging holes. He's
so good. You know? Everybody has different talents.
But he's just like, can you teach me how to read?
And it was Zero all along that... was the reason
why Stanley was there to begin with. Yeah, so
if you're unfamiliar... Which I think is so funny
because the shoes that were stolen were cleats
that were too big for Zero. And in, like, the...
Showing him steal the cleats and running with
them was hilarious because they did not fit.
Yeah, well, he just wanted shoes. He just wanted
shoes, and they were nice shoes. I mean, and
they're cool. Like, he wasn't thinking that much
about it. And that really, they are just kids.
It's not this, like, watching it now, especially,
it's just like, they're just, like, kids, and
all these things that they did to, like, get
there and break the law. I mean, yeah, they broke
the law, but they did it in such a kid way. Like,
it's not like watching fucking Goodfellas. Yeah.
Where, you know, it's just, he wanted shoes.
He thought the shoes were cool, so he took them.
Yeah, that's why I'm so surprised, though, because,
like, There was no, like, Stanley was just like,
he was hit in the head with these shoes. Yeah.
And then the cops came, like. Wrong place, wrong
time. Wrong place, wrong time. But, like, it
was not a fair trial. Fuck you, kid. You stole
these shoes. Go dig a hole. Well, criminal justice.
If you're unfamiliar, basically, Stanley, or
if you're not unfamiliar, but if you've forgotten,
Stanley goes to Camp Green Lake because he's
accused of stealing those shoes. Zero is actually
the one who stole the shoes. Also, Zero's family
and the Yelnats family go back farther because
the whole curse is because of his great -great
-whoever -grandmother, Madame Zeroni. Because
Stanley Yelnats I fucked over Madame Zeroni and
didn't take her up the mountain to let her drink,
like, because of this, uh... the solid that she
did for him yeah back in the old country back
in the old country he was trying to buy a woman
essentially you know buy the rights to this woman
we love love um by having the biggest pig yeah
so in order to have the biggest pig he had to
climb up the mountain with the pig carry carry
the pig up the mountain let him drink And become
big and stronger. Yeah, Madame Zeroni gave him,
like, a... I mean, it's sold, like, kind of,
like, magic -y, mystical, but I don't know that
it is. And her only request was, once you're
done with this, you carry me up so I can drink
and become strong again. Like, as a thank you.
Yes. Like, the full circle. And he got the girl
and just, like, peaced out, I guess. He didn't
get the girl. I thought he got the girl. No,
so the pigs are the same size. Oh, she just picked.
Yeah, so they... Girl's father. Is like, you
can pick. You can choose who you want. Novel
idea. And the other guy is like this old guy
and he's really gross and whatever. And she's
like, well, which one? Whatever. Like, she doesn't
immediately pick the young, attractive guy who
actually seems to really like her. So he's like,
fuck you and fuck this. I'm going to America.
And he just goes to America and does not come
back from Madame Zeroni. So family curse ensues.
Which, fair. Yeah. I think more people would
be better to each other if we could do that.
And maybe we can. Give curses. Witches. I know
you're out there. Witches unite. You're on TikTok
and Instagram. You're out there. I see all your
content. I love it. I don't engage with it very
much because it's just not for me. I don't know
anything about it. But maybe you should bring
back family curses. Might help some folks. Just
not to us. No. Well, you already have one, but
I don't. I'm sure I, please. I don't need another
one. Please. It's, please. We're already so,
like, dead inside. Can you reverse mine, please?
Can we talk? Send me a DM. Do you need to carry
Madame Zeroni up the mountain? Yeah. I do. Madame
Zeroni, wherever you are. Well, Eartha Kitt is
dead. Huh? Eartha Kitt is dead. That's who plays
Madame Zeroni. She was a famous singer. Oh. You
know the song Santa Baby? Santa Baby. That's
her. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay, cool. So she's dead
now. Santa Baby was Madame Zeroni? It's all coming
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i like the flashbacks To Kate Barlow. And, I
mean, the reason why everything happened with
her was because of racism. Yeah. Because she
fell in love with... Sam. Sam, yep. Who was African
American. Yep. And they didn't like that. So
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And she decided to be a fucking outlaw forever.
Which, honestly, good for her. I mean, feminism,
hello. She's great. I like the flashbacks too.
What I like about it is that everything connects.
Nothing is an accident. Like, you know, the story
with Kissin' Kate Barlow and how she's the one
who robbed another Stanley Yelnats and everything
has all this really well thought out connective
tissue and it's portrayed really well on screen.
Yes. And I really love that. Like, it feels like
a real movie and not just like... sit your kids
down in front of this so they'll shut up. Yeah,
because, like, you can get, like, obviously you
don't know it's all connected until the end,
but, like, I just like how you have all these
separate stories. Yeah. And then you're just,
like, connecting with all of these, like, characters.
From different times. From different times. And
then it's just, like, all makes sense. Yep. But
also, even though you don't know all the connection
until the end, it's really well paced. Mm -hmm.
Like, it's not this M. Night Shyamalan pacing
where it's like, oh my god, what? It's... You
kind of get everything gradually that keeps you
wanting to watch, but also keeps enough mystery
that you're not bored. Right. I really enjoy
it. And then it all connects even further because
we talked about when we first started that his
dad wants to make a shoe deodorizer. And the
thing that keeps them alive is drinking the juice
from the peaches that Sam made, or canned. And
the onions that are on God's Thumb Mountain.
And that mixture, apparently, is great for...
Deodorizing. Yep. And then the whole reason why
the curse is broken is because Stanley carries
Zero up the Thumb. Yep. And he sings that song
while he drinks from the stream. Just idly. He
knows that song from his family history, so he's
just singing it. But he happens to be singing
it while Zero... drinks from the stream on god's
thumb mountain and it undoes the curse and then
everybody wins and it rains yeah and then all
of the uh kids at the camp because they realize
that it's not sanctioned no um multiple violations
multiple violations gets to leave yeah um and
then in the end end they all like have houses
to get, mansions, because, like, they were owed
a ton of money because of the situation they
were in. Well, and the treasure. Well, and the
treasure. The treasure, yeah. So the treasure
that was stolen by Kiss and Kate Barlow, the
whole reason that the camp exists is because
they want to find this treasure, and the treasure
belongs to the Yelnats family. Because his name
is on the treasure box. The treasure box! Yeah.
So they get it, and it's a bunch of money, and
they can use it to buy mansions and do all this
cool stuff. And they spread the love. Yeah, I
like how... Something that made me laugh. Okay.
So they're... When Stanley and Zero come back
to find the treasure, because they know where
the hole is based on that rock. Yeah. And they
dig the hole and they find the treasure, right?
Yeah. When... But they don't move because of
all of the... Yellow -spotted litters. Yellow
-spotted litters. Litters? Yeah. But they don't
know that they're okay because the onions. Yeah.
Because they had no idea. But when everyone comes
back and sees them, all of a sudden there are
stairs. Did you know that there's, like, they
just, like, walk in, they're, like, in the hole,
but all of a sudden, like, these stairs in the
ground appear. Did you not notice that? No, I
don't know what you're talking about. Oh, very
inconsistent. Yeah, no, I was not aware of this.
Because they just dug the hole, obviously, and
they, like, dug into the hole and, like, created
it bigger so they could find, um. the treasure,
but, like, whenever they, like, come out of the
hole, it's just, like, this stair. This, like,
staircase. They climb out of the hole. What do
you mean? They climb out. No, they don't. Yeah,
they do. What are you talking about? I'll show
you. Okay. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking
about. But anyways, I also like the fact that,
um, they think Zero can't read, but he was like,
this is his. Yeah, it says his name. Stan Lee
yelled that. It's like, your name is the same
forward as it is backwards. Reading is power.
Can we talk for one moment about Sigourney Weaver
being so fucking cool? The warden. Yeah, in her
jean shirt and jean pants. Absolutely. And boots.
Yeah. For me, it's the rattlesnake venom that
she puts in her nail polish. That is so hot.
And when she slaps Mr. Sir. I just like that
he calls himself Mr. Sir. Yeah, but his real
name is like, what, Muriel or something? It's
like really fucking stupid. Yeah. But she hits
him and his face gets so fucked up because of
the rattlesnake venom in her nail polish. And
her car is cool. And I like that part where she
comes out after they think they've found a clue
to the treasure. you know, inherited the place
and has been looking for the treasure ever since
her grandfather was looking for the treasure.
Right. So, um, I like that part where they think
they found a clue, that lipstick tube of kissing
Kate Barlow's. And she's like, fill everyone's
canteen. And, uh, Dr. Pendanski, mom is like,
At the beginning, I'm just like, this guy seems
nice. No, he's a fuck. He's mean to Zero from
the jump. That's true. But she's like, fill everyone's
canteen. And he's like, I already filled them.
And she's just like, fucking what did you say?
Excuse me? Yeah. And then she grabs one and she
shakes it right in front of his head and goes,
can you hear the empty spaces? I love it. I love
it. Like, she's, I love her. She's doing horrible
things. Because she was tired of this grandpa.
Yeah. Yeah, she's doing horrible things. But
I like the character. She's really fun to watch.
Yeah, she's badass. Mr. Sir's name is Marion.
I was close. I said Muriel. Yeah. Muriel is from
Courage the Cowardly Dog. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure.
But yeah, she's super cool. And then, I don't
know. I just like the camaraderie. Of all the
boys. Like, it's just, they do, you know, kind
of tease each other and bully each other a little
bit. But it doesn't get, like, horrific. You
know what I mean? They're just assholes. They're
not even that much of an asshole. Not really.
The boys aren't. I mean, no more than they are
to each other or to Caveman, a .k .a. Stanley.
Right. Like, they're not, it's all within the
realm of, like, normal. Yeah. Kids just ripping
on each other. They do seem to have a close bond.
I mean, it's definitely a trauma bond. Let's
be real. But I do like it. Like watching it makes
me feel like I'm like with friends. Yeah. You
know what I mean? And I also, I guess I never,
I get back in, back in the day when I first watched
it. Yeah. I was always just like, how can you
just leave your kid zero? Yeah. How can you just
leave him in a, like, uh. park yeah but they
were homeless she wasn't like abandoning him
right they were homeless and she had to go and
work get money whatever their situation was and
he happened to be discovered by authorities right
well see but that's what i'm saying like back
then i'm just like well how could this happen
yeah but as an adult looking like into i'm just
like okay it's a lot more nuanced yeah you get
a lot more of those nuances that go with the
intersections of crime and poverty and race and
there's a lot of that in this movie yeah really
it's it's not so much that a kid can't watch
it and enjoy it and get the movie and get the
moral of the story but watching it as an adult
which is something we try to talk about when
we relive these things you can see a lot of those
intersections and that nuance which is it's it's
cool it makes for a good experience that's well
-rounded still holds up you know what i mean
So I like that. What are some other things that
are hitting different as an adult or that, I
don't know, not necessarily different, but just
you notice watching it now that maybe you didn't
notice when you were watching it as a kid? Well,
obviously as a kid, I didn't catch on to the
racism with Kate and Sam. Yeah. Because I'm like,
why can't they be together? You know what I mean?
Why would they kill him? I think I got it. Well,
you know. I was a real history kid, though. I
was not. I liked history a lot, so I kind of
understood some of that. You're right. It's similar
to what we just said. It's there. You don't have
to get it. But as an adult, you can really see
deeper into the story. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah,
definitely that. I think for me, the thing that
is more infuriating as an adult is how terribly
the camp... Is running. Oh, yeah. And how, I
mean, because it's, when you're a kid, it's obvious.
Like, it's bad. It's a bad place to be. But you
don't really understand, like, from an adult's
perspective of, like, the violations. How bad
it really is. Yeah. And then as, like, watching
it now, I'm like, oh my god. How the fuck are
court, is this court ordered? Yeah. Who's doing
these audits? Yeah. They have to be inspecting
this place sometimes, right? Yeah. And that they
could just, like, destroy files. Because remember
when Zero runs off. They just got rid of it.
Yeah, they're like, destroy the file. He was
never here. Yeah. Because he's a ward of the
state. And he had no family. Yeah. So we can
just get rid of him. And the fact that they could
feasibly do that and probably have done it before
is insane. And that the food and there's no,
there's hardly any water. Like, the conditions
are horrific. And they're just, it's fine. welcome
to Texas, I guess. I don't know. I do like it
that it rained when they came back though. Cause
like it was, it was a nice like climactic moment.
I liked it too. It felt like a, like a resolve
for everything. Like they'd been so miserable
in that heat and the whole, it's really well,
like the setting is great. It's really immersive.
So the, it raining really tiles into that. Cause
man, when you're watching it, I get parched.
Like, you can just feel the, like, it's hot.
The dry. Desolate. And then the rain. I just
choked. I need it. I need it. But it really does,
it's, you can almost feel, like, the relief that
comes with the rain. And that's something for,
like, a really visually impactful movie. Again,
kid or not, so. I think we'd be remiss if we
didn't talk about the song. Which song? The song.
Digging up them holes. Digging it. Do you remember
watching Disney Channel back in the 2000s and
in the commercials they would play the music
video? Mm -hmm. My favorite thing ever. Two,
hold on, two something, two tokens in hand. I
got no respect cause I'm the new man. I got my
shovel, shoes full of sand. Check out the tag.
The name's Caveman. Oh. Caveman. I almost said
Sandman. You did say Sandman. Wake up in the
morning before the sun. Keep digging that hole
till the day is done. And we know armpit. Yeah.
We've said that every time. X -Ray is the one
that has like a, it's like a real rap. Yeah.
His part. It's like. I loved it. Like seeing
this, I felt so cool listening to this and knowing
the words. It was just cool. As a kid, it was
super cool. And honestly, now. Someone commented
on this and said, Disney used to play the absolute
hell out of this video on pretty much every commercial
break. And it just never got old. This is beyond
a certified classic. I could, you know, it's
not on Spotify and it really fucking should be.
It's not on Spotify? It wasn't last time I checked,
because I tried to listen to it, like, not that
long ago. Let me look up that detent voice. They
don't have it. See, this is why I liked YouTube
music better. Because anything that's on YouTube
is on YouTube music. Well. But I don't pay for...
platinum anymore or premium yeah i don't know
premium i used to but then i'm like nah i'll
just go to spotify i'm gonna be real one of the
main reasons that i'm like we have got to keep
disney plus is so that i can watch holes whenever
i want see now i want to go home watch holes
and i think i will i think i will too i have
to put clothes away so yeah i'll watch it i had
it on this morning i mean i like i said i did
a rewatch not that long ago to like for this
yeah then I mean, it's before we decided to do
this, but it's been on the list for a while.
But I just like to watch it every so often because
it holds up. It's so good. If anyone that's listening
to this right now has never watched Holes. Or
if you haven't watched it since you were a kid,
watch it. Watch it right now. Right now. Dig
the hole. Well, you don't need to dig holes.
But it builds character. You know, I don't think
I've ever dug a hole. I've used a shovel. Like,
in the sand. I've used a shovel. Yeah. On dirt.
But I've never dug a hole. No. I've never, like,
dug a hole for a body or anything. No, definitely
not. Never did that. For sure. Never did it.
Never. Why would you even say that? So sincere.
Yeah, never happened. No, it's how I fucked up
my back for the first time. I was using a shovel
and digging, not a hole, but like digging into
the ground to make a patio. So you're just not
cut out to dig holes? Nah. Especially not now.
Oh no, I would probably kill myself on, not even
on purpose, just an accident. No, I'd just die.
I would just die. And in heat? I can't even stand
in the heat. Are you trying to make me feel like
I'm in hell? No Camp Green Lake here. But no,
go watch Holes or at least go listen to the Dig
It Up song. Like I'm watching the movie in my
head, you know, as we're like talking about it.
I see the scenes. I know the feelings. I'm all
happy about it. I love this movie. It's top.
Top tier movie. It's fully an immersive experience,
but sometimes it's an immersive experience. It's
hard to separate yourself from it. Yeah. To talk
about it. Yeah. But we did our best and we just
love it so much. You know why I think I can't
pick a favorite scene? Why? Because I love it
all. I kind of agree with you. Like, I don't,
there's not one thing that really like stands
out to me. The whole movie is great. The whole
movie is so good. The whole movie is great. I
super agree with you. I think, because like I
said, a few scenes that I like and things that
I remember, but really it's the whole experience.
Yeah. holes it's the whole experience it's the
whole experience the whole experience and just
just relive it it's a great nostalgic experience
and it's a movie that definitely holds up even
as adults yes so amazing work holes great job
let's dig it and thanks for listening bye Digging
up them holes. Dig it. Digging up them holes.
Yeah.