Hey. Hey. How's it hanging? I'm chilling. Welcome
back to the show. I'm Clarissa. I'm Kourtney .
And this is your favorite millennial podcast,
or it will be so soon. So soon. So soon. We're
embracing our lives in our 30s. I was in my late
20s when we started. So that's sort of era of
being in your late 20s, your 30s. And realizing
that we're all just free balling it. We're just
trying. Yep. Everybody's just making this up.
And we're making it up too. But we've decided
to embrace all the chaos. Embrace the good. Embrace
the bad. And have fun. Embrace them both. And
there you have the facts of life. Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. And part of what we do to embrace
the good and to enjoy our lives now is we live
in nostalgia. We're millennials. It's our whole
fucking thing, I guess. And that's what we're
gonna do today. You could say it's cringe, whatevs.
Yeah, we like to pretend it's the 2000s again.
I wish. You know, 90s. I think 90s. I think I'd
like to start over in the 90s. I would like to
start in the 80s, honestly. Eh, maybe. I don't
know. I'd like to start in the 90s. But I really...
I like the episode we're doing today because
this era of, like, the 2000s... This is wild.
This is my sweet spot, though. Yeah. I was a
teenager. I was living it up. I was, like, very
into the pop culture. Yeah. It was a big part
of my life. Yes. So I like this episode, and
I like the year that we're doing, and it's going
to be a good time. If you're... a 93 94 95 96
millennial you're probably really going to enjoy
this also because this was this was high school
musical this was something this was our high
school time uh or or close yeah and it was really
something it was my high school time so that's
what we're gonna do today we're gonna we're gonna
jump into the past and um So we do reliving episodes.
Yes. A lot. And this is a little different. If
you were with us last season, last season, right?
The spooky block that we did last season. I think
so. When we talked about our favorite Halloween
specials, we sort of relived them, but we went
back and forth. We kind of opened it up a little
more. We weren't just talking about one thing.
We were talking about all of our favorites. We
sort of embraced that same energy today because
we could not pick just one. Because there's so
many. Yeah. We're reliving our favorite VH1.
MTV. I think they're all VH1. I think they are
all VH1. I mean, there are some MTV, right? Not
that I can remember. None of these. Okay, so
they're all VH1. Yeah. Okay. So our favorite
VH1 reality shows of the 2000s. But specifically.
Yes. The dating ones. The dating ones. Yes. Listen,
this was peak television. I thoroughly believe
this. This was the best. Rewatching it last night,
I'm like... I was a child. Yeah. Why was I watching
this? We would sit down and watch some of these,
like, as a family. Oh, see, not, no. We did.
Grandma never watched that with me. No, my mom
did. My mom and dad, we would sit and watch.
We watched so much VH1 together as a family.
Like, these shows, the other VH1 shows, like
Celebrity Fit Club and Celebrity, like, Real
World, and, like, we watched, maybe that was
MTV, but you get it. Like, we watched all this
shit all the time, and I was a child, but fuck
it, I had fun. But yeah, so this was a very specific
time in our millennial timeline. It was a time
to be alive. It was really something. And these
shows were a dime a dozen. There were so many
of them. And for some reason, multiple seasons.
Yeah, they all, I guess they did not work. Blank
of Love was the formula. Yep. And there were
a lot of these shows. And we all, as a society,
especially... millennials teenagers at the time
teens early adulthood we ate this shit up for
some reason and we're gonna we decided we were
gonna just relive the entire era and talk about
our favorites we both relived some specifically
that we remembered watching and we're both gonna
just bring our memories to the table and hash
it all out and it's gonna be actually slasher
over here yep the walls lose green slime i i
feel the need and impromptu need to make a real
quick disclaimer here um It was a different time.
Like, it was a different time. And a lot of things
happened on these shows. A lot of things were
said. The vibes were different. The vibes were
different. The vibes were different. Cancel culture
didn't exist. No. And frankly, okay, a lot of
these shows were like, they're extremely problematic,
whatever. For the ones where women were the contestants,
which was most of them, it's horrible, it's sexist,
it's misogynistic, it's all these things. But
we ate that shit up. We ate it up. And we're
gonna probably... have some opinions that make
it seem like it's the 2000s again. And we're
going to be cool about it and nice. And we're
not, I'm not trying to be a dick to anybody.
I hope you made this money and you got, I hope
you turned this around and made this a great
thing. I'm talking about your appearances on
the show. I don't know how, I don't know what
you, you get it. If you were around for this,
you get it. You get what I'm trying to say. I'm
sorry, but also, ah, you know, like, I don't
know what to say here. It was different. Yeah.
And we're going to try to, navigate that with
some nuance so please just bear with us but first
we're gonna go back to one of the years that
these were pop in 2009 back in time all right
back in time all right we picked this one obviously
i feel like this block of time was roughly like
2006 ish to like 2010, 2011. Yes. It was kind
of the clump of when these were at their peak.
Yeah, because the OG ones happened earlier, but
then some of the more popular contestants ended
up having spinoffs in their own shows. It became,
like, by the time 2009 comes around, I feel like
it becomes its own animal. Yes. Like, the first
season of Rock of Love, I want to say, was, like,
2006. Uh -huh. I think it was closer to 2007.
Maybe. Okay, but... But after, like, two seasons,
you've got Charm School. You've got spinoffs.
You've got I Love Money. You've got all these
things where these reality stars, which this
was kind of a new thing to be reality stars,
are just, like, running VH1. Yeah. Every show
these people were on. And that sort of became
its own, like, genre. genre. 2009 -ish. Yes.
Specifically, the specific reason, which we'll
talk about when we get into the show, one of
the spinoffs was Daisy of Love, and that was
a Rock of Love spinoff, and that premiered in
2009. But I'm going to say plenty about that
fucking later. I'll let you. I'm more of the
Flavor Flav. Yeah. We'll talk about it. We'll
get there. But so 2009. I have some facts. Okay,
hit me with some facts. And then you can go with
your stuff. Yeah, we'll just, we'll just, I'm
going to try to relive some memories here. So
you tell me some facts and we'll just see where
it takes us. The Great Recession ended. But now
we're back. Now we're back. Obama became president.
The first two cases of swine flu in the US. I
remember this being such a big deal. I want to
recall being in like eighth grade and they had
us do all the, we had to go do tests at school
for swine flu. I don't remember doing tests for
swine flu. I think there was like a small pocket
of like, and they made us do a test at school
for it. Huh. I was neg. I didn't have it. Yeah,
it was a big deal. Microsoft launched the search
engine Bing. Bing! And Google released its Chrome
OS. Okay. Okay. I use Chrome. Uh, yeah. I mean,
I use, I think I use Safari on my phone. I don't
have enough. Well, on my phone I use Safari.
Yeah. But, like, on the computer, I use Chrome.
Yeah, I think I go for Chrome, but usually. Um,
Bitcoin was introduced. Shut up. Uber was founded.
Oops. Uh, Kellogg announced that there was a
nationwide shortage of Eggo waffles. Lego my
Eggo. What? The shortage, 2009. You didn't know
the infamous Eggo waffle shortage of 2009? Oh,
I guess I was busy with swine flu and buying
eyeliner. Steelers won the Super Bowl and the
Penguins won the Stanley Cup. Okay, I feel like
my dad was a big Steelers fan, so I'm sure I
watched that game. Well, that's two Pittsburgh
teams winning in one year. Yeah, but we didn't
give a fuck about hockey in my house. Yeah, well.
I mean, I like real penguins. I like March of
the Penguins. For my 11th birthday, we all went
to see March of the Penguins in the theater.
I don't think my friends enjoyed it, but fuck
them. It's my birthday, bitch. Shut up and watch
these penguins. Gas was $1 .89 a gallon. Shut
up. I don't want to do this. So these were some
words that appeared in print for the first time.
Cryptocurrency. Shut up. Gig economy. Oh, okay,
like gigs, like freelance. Gig worker. Yeah.
Jegging. Can I tell you something about jegging
that it reminded me of? I wore jeggings. I'm
not gonna, not jeggings. I didn't have jeggings.
Do you remember the ass scene on TV, pajama jeans?
Yes. I had a pair. Did you really? Yeah. Nice.
Were they comfy? They were okay. They weren't
the best, though. They just, they fit weird.
Maybe it was just me and my weird body, but.
Maybe. They fit weird. I didn't love them as
much as I thought I would. I was a big -ass scene
on TV, bitch. I had - I loved that scene on TV.
I had the pajama jeans. I had the big top cupcake.
Oh, shit. The big top cupcake? Oh, yeah. I think
there's something else, but I can't remember
what it is right now. It was actually funny.
Just, I think it was last week or the week before,
I was talking about cupcake cakes. Yeah. So,
you know, when you like put the cupcakes all
together and you put like the frosting on top
so it looks like a cake, but it's all cupcakes.
I was talking about cupcake cakes at work and
my friend was just, was thinking big top cupcake.
That's what I would think. And he was like, the
big one? I was like, no, just a bunch of small
cupcakes that make a cake. Can I tell you a story?
Do you remember the game nights we would have
with our movie theater pals at Jessica's house?
Yeah. So we, I would. I think about that a lot,
actually. Yeah, we would do these game nights
and we would all go and they would usually have
themes and we would all bring like food or desserts
based on the theme. Yeah. And for the one that
was themed for Doctor Who. I don't think I came
to that one. I did. Now, I never watched Doctor
Who, but I knew that the color blue. It could
be called Dr. Blue. Honestly, there's so much
blue. And so I was going to make, because I had
a big top cupcake and I was in my big top cupcake
era. This was probably roughly around like 2010
or 2011. So soon around here. And I made a big
top cupcake and I was going to paint it like
the, not paint it, but like frost it and try
to make it look like the phone booth. Yeah. I
forgot to put eggs in it. And so I took the cupcake
thing off and it just, And I panicked, and then
I made it into a dirt cake with a bunch of blue
sprinkles. And I was like, yeah, this is what
I meant to do. And it was apparently a lot of
people's favorite thing. Wow. And I didn't tell
anybody what happened, but if you're listening
to this, that was a big boy mistake, and you
ate it up. I gotcha. Yeah, I don't remember that
one. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I was
there for that. I remember my trauma from the
Big Top Cupcake failing me. Nice. Anyways. Anyways.
Just reminded me. The most visited websites.
Ooh, let's see which ones I was on. Google. Well,
duh. Yahoo. Microsoft. What? AOL. Yeah, I was
probably still using my AOL email. Fox. Like
the news? I guess. Ask. Jeeves? I think. It just
says Ask. Yeah, well, they rebranded. They got
rid of Jeeves. So yeah, Ask Jeeves. Yeah. eBay.
Okay. Amazon. Sure. Wikipedia. Yeah. Facebook.
Okay, yeah. Apple. CBS. The Weather Channel.
Oh, fuck it up, yeah. Craigslist. Is MacQuest
on there? And Adobe. Ah. And in 2009, in May,
Facebook overtook MySpace in US -based web traffic
for the first time. So 2009 really pushed MySpace
out. Yep. Ripped MySpace. I... loved Myspace.
I loved it. I always wanted to get one. I never
had my own, but I used my friends and it was
everything. Popular baby names? Okay. Jacob,
Ethan, Michael, Alexander, Isabella, Alexander,
Hamilton, Emma, Olivia, and Sophia. Oh my god,
I bet Isabella is because of Twilight. Bella,
where the hell have you been, loca? Yeah, in
utero, I guess. Well, apparently that's just
a small barrier in Twilight. What? Rutabaga.
Oh. Um, popular food and beverages. Okay. Bacon.
Oh, okay. Brown butter pasta. I've never had
that in my life. Creme brulee. Cupcakes. Okay,
big ones, big tops. Fruit smoothies. Yeah, I
feel like the smoothie thing was starting to
happen. I went to Tropical Smoothie a lot, probably
around this time, with my pals. This was a popular
outing for me as a teen. Uh, high C fruit drinks.
Okay. Lunchables. In 2009? Lunchables are always
good. Yeah, but this feels... I would think this
would be more like the late 90s or the early
2000s. Superfruits, such as pomegranates, blueberries,
plums, bananas, and avocados. Yeah, I remember
hearing about that for the first time. I also
think I saw an avocado live for the first time,
probably. It took me a long time to see an avocado.
I never saw one growing up. My grandma didn't
cook. we did we're not eating avocados we didn't
eat things like avocados we had like pork chops
for dinner yeah roast and potatoes yeah white
people taco night was and then wacky ice cream
flavors like green tea bacon caramel maple and
butter pecan shut up butter pecan i don't know
that's not wacky it's not wacky it's been around
forever i like the flavor of butter pecan but
i don't want nuts in my items If I want to eat
a nut, I'll eat a nut. But I don't want it in
my food. It ruins the food. There's really something
about saying I don't want nuts in my items. That's...
I don't know. It's just really something. Okay,
let's talk about some movies that came out. Yes,
please. Dragon Ball Evolution. Can I tell you
something? Yes. I went to see it in the movie
theater. Did you watch Dragon Ball as a kid?
Yeah, some. Okay. Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z.
Yeah, Dragon Ball Z. Was sort of my. Yeah. I
was more Dragon Ball Z. I didn't really watch
Dragon Ball. But so I went to see the Dragon
Ball Evolution movie. But I gotta be real with
you. I enjoyed that movie. Yeah. I know it's
like one of the worst movies ever apparently.
And I understand why. Same with the first Avatar.
Didn't people like shit on Avatar? I didn't see
that. Oh I did. I don't know. But people really
shit on Dragon Ball Evolution. And I totally
understand why. Yeah. But I thoroughly enjoyed
myself. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I. Nothing going
on in my brain. Yeah. No expectations. I try
to go in blind. I just want to be entertained.
I know you do. Entertain me! And then I am. Yeah,
yeah. It's just, when you start with no standards,
you'll enjoy anything, but you somehow, you sometimes,
you fight really hard that it's good. And it's
like, I can accept that Dragon Ball Evolution
is trash. I enjoyed it. It's trash. I can accept
that Jingle All The Way is trash. But you don't
say that often. No. No. But I love it. You fight.
It's... You know what pissed off a lot of people?
The human centipede. Ooh, mouth to butt. Yeah.
I would hate to be... I wouldn't mind being the
front of the centipede, but I don't want to be
in the back. I don't want to do it at all. I
don't want to do it at all. Imagine being the
middle person. Nope. Don't want to do that. I've
never watched it. I don't intend to. Have you
seen it? No. Okay, good. I know the gist. Yeah,
no, I get it. I get it. It's not Citizen Kane,
okay? You're sewing people together. We understand.
The Hangover. Oh, yeah. I saw that in theaters,
I think. The Final Destination. Okay, do you
see the new Final Destination that's coming out?
I know, I'm thrilled. I'm so excited. I'm so
fucking excited. I love Final Destination. Me
too, me too. We should rewatch Final Destination.
Okay, if you guys want to hear that, tell us.
Harry Potter, The Half -Blood Prince. Can I tell
you? I saw it in theater, obviously. Duh. It's
my least favorite book, favorite movie. Okay.
Or, no, it's not my favorite movie. It's, like,
my second favorite movie. My favorite movie is
the third one, Prisoner of Azkaban, but, like,
tiers above the other ones. But in terms of,
like, the others that just kind of, like, come
up equal, I really like six, and I really hated
the book. My favorite movie is... The first one.
The first one. Yeah. It has the most magic. I
know, honey. It's fine. Up. I love Up. Yeah.
I didn't see it for years, though. Like, I didn't
see it until I was in college. At the very beginning,
I cried. I think that's the point. Let's see.
The Fast and Furious movie, the one that came
out in 2009, which I don't know what number that
would be, but we were several deep at that point.
Were you there when I worked with one of the
car dealerships? No. Near us? At the movie theater?
I actually don't... I don't know. If I was there,
I think I had just gotten there. Like, you and
I weren't this yet. Okay. Yeah, so for one of
the Fast... I think... I don't remember which
Fast and Furious movie it was. Who fucking cares?
But I went to a car dealership. Yeah. And was
like, I will give you passes if you bring your
sports cars to our theater. Okay. And they're
just like, deal. Huh. So... We got, like, a Camaro
and, like, a couple, like, sports cars just out
in front, like, on the sidewalk for the first
showing of. Wow. Look at you. For the first weekend.
And then we put, like, a, like, poster in their
car dealership and then they brought stuff to.
Okay. Look at me. Marketing. I was impressed
with myself. You really. That was. That's a great
idea. I mean. Yeah. I think it's a great idea.
Drag Me to Hell. Ooh. I watched that. Yeah. Alvin
and the Chipmunks, The Squeakquel. I just wanted
to say Squeakquel. Squeakquel. Try to find one
more. I was at a bar the other day and they were
playing Alvin and the Chipmunks. Good for them.
So I got on, touched tunes, and I changed it.
To what? Eye to Eye from Goofy Movie. Oh my god.
It's a 30 year anniversary. Okay. Okay. It's
a better song. And then I Rickrolled everyone.
See, that I can get behind. Yeah. Ice Age, Dawn
of the Dinosaur. I haven't watched anything other
than the first one. I don't remember much about
it, but I do remember watching it. Go out with
songs. Songs. This is the billboards. Do -do
-do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do songs. Okay,
I'm going to try to finally do that. i got a
feeling i got a feeling that tonight's gonna
be a good night that reminds me of disney 2028
or i guess 2029 when did i go to disney i don't
i don't know what are you doing here so when
we were in downtown disney okay now it's disney
springs but fuck that downtown disney okay uh
it was with me and sissy Aunt Mary, Joe, Uncle
Doug, and Grandma. We were walking down, and
this song was playing, and Sissy and I were dancing
and singing, and that's what it reminds me of.
Okay. It was a good time. Okay. Disney with fam.
Disney with fam. Okay. It just reminds me of
being in high school. Okay. Right round. I love
that song. You see my hair right round, right
round. When you go down, when you go down, down.
It came out in 2008, but it was still really
high on the charts. You Found Me by The Fray.
Lost and Insecure. Jay Sean, down. Down, down,
down, down, down. Down, down. Oh. Ooh, blame
it on the alcohol. Blame it on the alcohol. Blame
it on the vodka. Blame it on the henny. Something,
something. Rooftop. Got you something. Seems
incorrect. Whatever. I know there's one that's
Blame It On The Goose. Got You Feeling Loose.
That's my favorite. Because I love to be a silly
goose. Blame It On Patron. Got You Going Home.
I don't know. Man, this is not going well. It's
not going well, Courtney. I'm looking up lyrics
for Blame It because it's bothering me. It should
because that was horrible. Blame It On The Goose.
Got You Feeling Loose. Blame It On The Tron.
Got You Trone. Got you in the zone. Okay, virgin.
Blame it on the Tron. Transformers, even. You're
gonna keep going? Blame it on the vodka. Blame
it on the Henny. Blame it on the blue top. Blue
tap? Got you feeling dizzy. Blame it on the alcohol.
Obsessed by Mariah Carey. Why are you so obsessed
with me? Boy, I wanna know. I was singing that
to my cat this morning. because she was all up
in my business, and I looked at her and was like,
why are you so obsessed with me? Oh my god, I
loved this song. Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship
with Leighton Meester. I got the good girls go
bad. You know the most insane part about that
song, though, is Leighton Meester's part. She
goes, I was hanging in the corner with my five
best friends. That's too many best friends. That's
a whole hand, Leighton. What are you doing? I
mean, five's not that. It's a lot of best friends.
Five friends is one thing. Five best friends?
I guess. It's too many people. I don't know.
I feel like I have a lot of best friends. No,
not that many. That's too many. All together
at the same time? Why not? In the corner? I will
say, so Cobra Starship is going to be at Warped
Tour, but not where we're going. And I'm so upset
about it. Fireflies. I like to make myself believe.
Okay, I just need to. That planet Earth. The
Wikipedia entry. Slowly. Says, the song is built
around a bleepy synth line and includes lyrics
about insomnia, fireflies, and summer. Well.
I mean, yeah. Who wrote this? AI? Fireflies,
I remember it being really popular my freshman
year of high school. Like that, if I had to pick
a song that was like. The fucking song. So Mike
went to the American History Museum this morning.
Good for him, I guess. And he sent me this picture
and said, we are old. Oh, God. It's the first
iPod in the American History Museum. Do you think
they're going to start putting us in the history
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Now, back to the show. Flava Flav! So, like we
said, we kind of both relived some of our favorites.
And you really focused on Flava Flav. And by
really focused, I watched two episodes. Okay.
The first episode of season one. And the first
episode of season three. But we've talked about
this before. Those, like, when we talk about
our favorites, I was really in the, like, rock
of love, daisy of love vein. You were more in,
like, the flavor of love. I love New York. That
was more your flavor of love. And a shot at love
with Tila Tequila. So go ahead. Tell me what
are some of your favorite things that you jogged
your memory of a little bit. I just love how
fucking unserious Flavor Flav was. Yeah. The
whole... time yeah it was so funny and like anytime
like the girls just spoke to him he'd be like
wow wow like what the fuck so i'm going i'm gonna
go around work wow just like all day that's my
new like stims get yourself a big ass clock around
your neck Oh, my God. And just the fact that,
like, he made nicknames for them. I want to talk
about that. Okay. Because they did that on Daisy
of Love, too. Uh -huh. And I know they did it
on other shows. I love this. He straight up looked
at the camera and said, I will not remember your
names. Yeah. I'm going to make up names for you.
They, I watched, so one of the ones I'm going
to talk a ton about is Daisy of Love. But I watched,
I rewatched the first episode last night. Uh
-huh. And so they have all the guys come up and
they give them their names. I wish we could do
this in society. Like imagine starting a job
and be like, okay, everyone gather around. I'm
going to call you stapler bitch. I'm going to
call you bluesy. I'm going to call you like just
picking weird shit. Like I would, we should do
this in society. It would heal us. I think. Well,
we're already fucked. Who cares? Like, I think
we should do it. So, but I love how they're so,
I don't remember all the Flavor Flavs, but I
remember some of the names. So I can't imagine
it's that different. The way she was like, tell
me something about yourself. Like, um, there
was one guy, the one guy was from Brooklyn. So
his name was Brooklyn. Yeah. The other guy reminded
her of a Pauly Shore character. So she called
him Weasel. Like, it was just, there was no limitations
on what. could happen here with the names and
i love that so with flavor of love yeah season
three okay so like season one season two he picked
the names right yeah and season three well he
still picked the names but he started off with
i want you to nickname yourself yeah um but then
he ended up hating everything that they ever
said so he changed it yeah but they had there
was twins so the twins came up And they're just
like, we're sugar and spice. I'm like, that's
great. I love that. And he was like, you know
what? I love cat. He's like, I love cat in the
hat. Thing one, thing two. And they just stared
at him. This is what I'm talking about, though.
Obviously, this is horrible and objectifying
to all these things, but, like, dude, it's so
funny. I, I, it's, there, but it was. Yep, no,
that's pretty much it. That's it. But I'm like,
oh, man, Sugar and Spice is so good. That's such
a great, like, nickname. It's cute. Because they're
twins. I did see this thing the other day. It
was like, we used to be a real country. There
was a show that had several seasons where the
prize was Flame of Flame. At that point, he had
seven kids. I'm sure. Yeah. Also, on VH1's Surreal
Life, had a very weirdly long -term relationship
with Brigitte Nilsson. Oh, he talked about that
in the first season of Flavor Flav. He said it
didn't work out, so now he needs to find his
love. Yeah. It's a wild ride. So, one of my favorite
characters. Characters? No, it's characters.
It's characters. So, I need to go back. I need
to find her. Yeah. But I don't remember what
her name was. Okay. I don't remember her real
name. I don't remember her fake name. What season
was it? Season one. Okay. So the very first episode,
she got so drunk that she passed out and threw
up. But then she was just like, cool, chill.
But she was wearing like this sweater dress.
Nice. And she just like had such a fun personality.
Like I genuinely liked her. I bet she was a blast.
She looked like a blast. Yeah. I mean, she got
through the first episode because there were
20, the plot twist of the first episode. There
were 20 girls, but only 15 beds. Wow. So the
first night, five gone. That's like how in the
first episode ever of Rock of Love, right? So
they all were gathered outside the house and.
Brett Michaels rolls up on his stupid motorcycle
that's way too big for him. Big surprise. He
looks like a kid on a big wheel. And he's like,
okay, great. Nice to meet you. He's probably
actually like 5 '10". I still want to look at
that. Little boy. Anyways, he rolls up and he's
like, okay, great. Thanks. Bye. And then he goes
into the house or whatever. He is 5 '10". He's
5 '10". Well, he's so little looking. He wears,
I'll talk about this, but he wears clothes that
are too big for him. He looks like a child who
got into his dad's closet. Everything's way too
big on him and he just looks like a fucking baby.
You know what's really funny? What? Last night
I was watching I Love the 90s. Yeah. And then
I was also watching I Love the Thousands because
that existed. So Bret Michaels was on that talking
about Rock of Love. I'm sure he was. And I just
thought it was so funny. Yeah. It was like Inception.
Rockception. But anyway, what I was saying was,
so he, he goes in, whatever, and the host, his,
like, security guy, Big John, was like, okay,
uh, you and you, and he picked, like, five girls,
just really randomly, no context. I was like,
you guys stay out here for a second. Everybody
else go in the house. And he was like, bye. What?
Sometimes the tour doesn't even start. Your tour
ends here. Bye. And then, this is, I say this
all the time now, this, this is So, like, one
of the girls, Tiffany's like, I don't accept
this. She's one of the five. Okay. She's like,
I don't accept this. So she goes to the house
and is like, you gotta give me another chance.
This isn't fair. And he's like, I'm gonna regret
this, but okay. So she comes in. She gets hammered.
I mean, absolutely hammered. And she keeps saying...
Her catchphrase. And really, one of the first
catchphrases of these shows, honestly, was, I'm
thriving in a good time. She makes it through
the first elimination. Oh, shit, okay. Because
Brett is an idiot and is also like, hey, we've
all been there. I'm also a fucking drunk. They
all are. Yeah. Plot twist. Yes. She goes home
the next time. Okay. And the second challenge
is they have to do a sexy phone call for when
he's away on the road. And she's wasted and she
in the phone says, Hey, don't threaten me with
a good time. And he's like, oh, okay. So it's
Tiffany. Tiffany, if you're out there, which
is a big if, I hope you're doing okay. Don't
threaten me with a good time. Say it all the
time. Okay, so again, I watched the first episode
of season one and season three. So in the first
episode of season one, after he eliminated the
five contestants, and they were like, okay, let's
see what happens tomorrow. They do like a...
see what's going to happen throughout the season.
And he actually made a very good point. Things
I never thought we'd say. Right. So he was just
like, we're going to travel. We're going to go
places because you really learn about a person
when you're traveling with them. That's fair.
And I'm like, Flavor Flav, you are so right.
And I said that so white. Flavor Flav. Yeah.
Oh my God. Oh my God. Flavor Flav. They always
did do, like, a trip or whatever, though. Like,
on Rock of Love, which is the one that I rewatched
semi -recently, and I was glad we decided to
do this episode. Like, I need a fucking reason,
though. I rewatched Rock of Love in its entirety
all three seasons, like, at least twice a year.
I don't know. Life's going immediately. I've
never rewatched any of this, but I think I will.
You should. Everyone should. Well, the fact that
I remembered who won the first season just when
I first, the first episode, I'm like, oh, oops.
Yeah. I just knew that. And I'm like, I haven't
watched this since 2006. Yep. I was 15 years
old watching this. I remember. That's fucked
up. Every, the only season I didn't remember
who won, and honestly, I still couldn't tell
you, is season three of Rock of Love, which is
Rock of Love bus. They go on tour. Look, it's
a terrible show. It's a terrible show from the
jump. It got real weird. It got real weird and
terrible. Like, I don't know. But I don't know
who won that one. But the other two, I knew as
soon as the intro started for each season. I
was like, oh man. First, it's Jess, but she really
probably shouldn't have won. Heather should have
won, but Heather was low -key a bitch to Daisy.
You love Daisy. I love Daisy. And the second
season, Daisy didn't win. And Amber, which is
spelled A -M -B -R -E. Ombre. Ombre won, which
made no sense at all. So with Flavor Flav. Yeah.
Flavor of Love. New York. Yeah. My fave. Everyone
knows about New York and pumpkin. Everyone. Everyone
knows that pumpkin spit hard. On New York. I
did find out. I Googled. I was curious. Pumpkin
is an accountant now. Way to go. She's living
her life. She just, you know what? This was enough.
I'm going to be normal. Most of them did that
though. Like most of them just went on with their
lives. Which is good. Like, yeah. Good for her.
But so New York made it to second and Hoops won.
I recall. She tried again. Yes. On season two.
Which I forgot. She tried again. Got second place.
And got beat. I don't remember who won season
two. It doesn't even matter. It doesn't even
matter because New York got all the way up there
again. Failed. And then we did I Love New York.
And then we did I Love New York. I did love when
they gave us spinoffs. I need to rewatch I Love
New York. Because, like, I Love New York, Daisy
of Love. I love when they got these spinoffs.
And we got to see guys do this. Because, look.
the the thing about the show and part of my weird
disjointed disclaimer at the beginning was like
they really set these women up for some shit
yeah like and catfights and a lot of stereotypes
and whatever but i'll be real with you as somebody
who watched all three seasons of rock of love
several times and has watched daisy of love and
i love new york i think the dudes are worse And
we got to see that. Yeah. And they are so much
worse. Like, you came over to record this when
I had Daisy of Love on kind of like in the background.
And there's like 40 minutes where they're just
throwing shit. Yeah. Because they're upset. Guys
can't control their anger. They literally can't.
Like, you might get one good cat fight out of
these girls. They might be like, mwahaha, let's...
Tell Lacey she's a bitch. I don't know. But like
full blown violent. Yeah. Every episode. But
something about the women. Like I love a girl's
girl. Right. Me too. So in the first episode
where the one girl was like trashed. Right. Yeah.
Three of the girls came and took care of her.
One brought her some water. One bought her some
bread. One got like a bucket and like held her
hair back. Yeah. And I'm like they're cutthroat
trying to get Flavor Flav's love. Okay. But they're
still taking care of each other. Yeah. Guys would
never. No. Now, I will say, though, one of my
favorites in Rock of Love season one is Lacey.
Mm -hmm. Lacey was a musician. I remember that
name. Red hair. She was a musician, right? She
made it to, like, the top three, I think. She,
from the beginning, was like, I'm going to turn
them all against each other, and I'm going to
turn Brett against them, and wah -ha -ha. And
they were all like, oh, my God, why would you
do this? It's the game. She knows. She's played
the game. Game recognized game, okay? Like, I
don't understand why we're all trying to be besties.
I like a girl's girl, too. You can take care
of someone and, like, care about their well -being,
but also try to win. Yeah, Lacey went too far
with it. Fair. But every time that we watch it,
it's like... there's just this reminder of like,
oh, well, she's so terrible. And it's like, yeah,
but she's doing this for what it is. Like, I'm
sorry, but all of you that are like, I'm honestly
like falling in love with him. No, shut up. No,
you're not. Shut up. You're trying to win the
game. Who's going to look at Flavor Flavor? No
offense, Flavor Flavor, if you're listening to
this. Also, I do love you because - I'm a big
fan of your music. He loves Taylor Swift. He's
a huge Swifty. Is he? He's a huge Swifty. That's
awesome. Yeah, he went to the Heiress Tour. Wow.
Like, no, he's like, all of his TikToks were
about Taylor Swift for a while. Wow. Yeah, he
loves Taylor Swift. I love Flavor Flav. I love
you. But let's be real. Like, all of these young
20 -somethings, and you're at least 40s, 50s
in this show. You're being generous. But no,
I get what you're saying. But as a person, and
how much zero fucks you gave, I really vibe with
him. I'll be real here. I'm going to say the
opposite thing since I'm taking the rock of love
side here. Bret Michaels is a fuck. Yeah, Bret
Michaels is a fuck. I hope you hear this, Bret.
I have a huge list here. One thing, he's... I'm
not... I don't... I can't recall too, too much
about, like, the specifics of Flavor Flav they
have done that were misogynistic and terrible.
I mean... But I can tell you, Bret Michaels is
misogynistic and terrible. He was so terrible
to these girls. Like, he was such a raging sexist,
really. And I understand that's the name of the
game. It's a show. It's a different time. But,
like... It's so obvious. He was also mad at the
one girl who ended up winning because she lied
about her age. She said she was, she told him
she was 32. She was 37. She had to be in her
40s. But he was like, oh my God, you're lying
to me. Yeah, but he's like fucking 50. Yes. He
was 45 years old during that season. And all
these others are like 20. And part of me was
like, why are women who are this old here? Because
why do you want to do this at this age? Why do
you want to? But also it's gross that he's got
a pretty good shot of being with someone who's
like young enough to be his fucking child. So
there was that. He didn't, Daisy didn't win season
two, which honestly is probably better for her
in the long run. But Daisy didn't win season
two. Daisy De La Hoya, she should have won season
two. And his whole thing was that she had been
living with her ex -boyfriend like they had.
Broken up, but they still lived together. And
he was like, I don't know. It's such a weird
betrayal. You're in a house with 40 bitches.
What are you talking about? You're fucking all
of them. It's season two. And you're in a house
full of women. And you're about to go do season
three on tour. What do you care? What do you
care? But he made it out like this big slut shaming
type thing. I didn't like that. I didn't like
that one bit. Also, he says diabetes. I also
say diabetes. Okay. Because of the diabetes guy.
No, he says it unironically. That's literally
how he pronounces it. Oh. Because he's diabetic.
I'm just trying to use his words. I didn't know
he was diabetic. Yeah, he's got type 1 diabetes.
Hmm. But he's, I don't know. It's just like,
it's, there's a part of it that's so pathetic
that it's like these older dudes and they're
just. And there were so many points where it's
like he's so pathetic and he was so gross to
these girls and he was just like a gross old
man kind of vibes. And just pointing this out,
one of the girls that he went for hard on season
two ended up leaving on her own accord and she
was probably going to win. Her name was Christy
Jo. She was married. She was still actively married,
like not even divorced, nothing, and came to
the show. She had all this drama. Everybody hated
her, blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? He has
a couple kids with one woman. He's got like a
mom to his kids, right? I don't think they've
ever been married. So I'm not gonna say like
wife. Her name is Christy Lynn. So he literally
was just like chasing this girl who looked exactly
like the mother of his kids. And after Rock of
Love Bus, Bret Michaels had another reality show,
very short -lived one, where he decided that
he actually just wanted to be with the mom of
his kids. And it was like a family show. Like,
think Hogan knows best. But it was Brett Michaels
trying to be with the mom of his kids and be
an actual family man. And they got back together
and they got engaged and that lasted for like
35 seconds. So fuck you. I can imagine that his
relationships would last 35 seconds. I can imagine
him lasting for 35 seconds. That's probably really
generous. And that stupid bandana he wears all
the time. One chump pump. Wait. One pump chump.
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get back to the show. Something, I haven't rewatched
it, so I can't tell you much. That's fine. We're
just going with vibes here. But with A Shot at
Love with Tila Tequila. Yes. For the time, because
she, bisexual, had men and women on the show.
True that. I think that was pretty great. Yeah.
She just, I know she ended up being, like, low
-key the worst. Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure.
But if we're separating art from artist here,
yeah. It was really something. Yeah. You know?
I don't think I even, I'm sure it didn't do as
well because of what it was. I remember there
being controversies about it. But looking back,
knowing that that's what they did, I'm like,
I like that. Yeah. I like that they tried. I
like the vibe. Yeah. I like the vibe. And there
was, she had two seasons of it. You're right.
She did. I never watched it though. I don't remember
much from it. I know I watched it. Yeah. But
I don't remember a whole lot. Yeah. Because it
was other things were, Flavor Flav was mine.
Yeah. I love Flavor Flav. Yeah. I don't know
why. I still do. Hey, he's entertaining. He's
entertaining. He's very entertaining. The show
was entertaining. New York was entertaining.
Mm -hmm. There's a whole reason. That's the whole
reason she got her own show. Yeah. She's entertaining
to watch. She was very entertaining. I enjoyed
watching her. Uh -huh. I can't tell you, like,
much about the show. Like, it didn't stick in
my head like Rock of Love did. But I enjoyed
watching. I love New York. She's really something.
And on I Love New York, there was contestant
overlap with Daisy of Love, 12 -pack. And this
is where, again, the lore of this whole time
in history. They were, they, I, looking back.
Yeah. Like, back then, I'm just like, they're
genuinely trying to find love. But now, well,
I was like. no yeah child i was like an early
teen they sold it they sold it as like the bachelor
bachelorette situation but like chaotic yeah
um look now watching it i'm like this is purely
entertainment no one's falling in love yeah that
was never the goal like bitch you're just here
to promote your band well yeah what in season
three uh there's this one girl she was very very
tall Like, Flavor Flav would climb her like a
tree. Well, that's what he did with Brigitte
Nielsen. Well, he's also, yeah, he's pretty short.
Yeah, it was, like, that situation. And she straight
up said that she was trying to, like, be famous.
Yeah. And he was like, do you even want to be
with me? And she was like, like, long pause.
Yeah. What else am I doing? But that's honest.
That's what everybody was there for. I'm sorry.
Oh, 100%. I'm not saying there weren't people,
especially, like, I'm sure there were people
who had, like, maybe, like, a crush or, like,
a childhood crush and it's, like, this is that,
the evolution of that. Yeah. Rapper or a rock
star or whatever. But, like, nobody, no, you
were here to get famous. You were here to be
on TV. Right. I respect that. That's fine. Be
on TV. I'm thrilled for you. Um. But no, I, so
my favorite still was Daisy of Love, which was
the spinoff. And 12 Pack was part of the, he
was on Daisy of Love. He made it pretty far,
but he was on like this, this group of people
that ended up coming out of these shows and they
just kept recycling them. It's kind of like the
Disney kids. Like they were on every single thing
on that channel. These people were on every single
thing on VH1 and 12 Pack was one of those guys.
And he was on Daisy of Love with Daisy De La
Hoya. I love Daisy De La Hoya. I think she goes
by a different name now. It might be like Vanessa.
A lovable person. I know she's had some struggles.
I hope she's doing well. But I really enjoy watching
her. And in 2009... I was watching this nonstop.
So much so that my mother, who remembers nothing,
was like, I mentioned it in conversation the
other day when we decided we were going to do
this episode. She was like, oh yeah, I remember
you having to watch that like every week. I was
like, leave me alone. Leave me alone. I'm watching
Daisy of Love. I need to watch it. So who ends
up winning is London. Okay. He leaves. He leaves
of his own accord. And then he comes back. And
he wins. He has a mohawk. Oh, okay. Yeah, you
can imagine. My favorite was a guy named Sinister.
Ooh. Who was like four feet tall and very skinny.
Short king. Yeah. Looking at him now, he looks
like 15 years old. Oh. And I think that's why
I liked him when I was 15 years old. Because
that's when I was watching this, right? And I
was like, yes, he is great. Because he looked
like my peer. He looked like I, you know, that
seemed plausible. He made it kind of far. He
showed up with his best friend and they did it
together. And then they ended up fighting. No
duh. Plot twist. Yeah. The best was this guy
named Fox. He looked, he was a hairstylist. And
he looked, he kind of looks like Johnny Depp.
But like, I don't know, he's attractive. He was
so stupid. And he had his own little thing when
he would talk because he would just talk in circles.
And they'd just play in the background like,
Fox. Because they were making fun of him. And
I wrote down some of his quotes. I would like
to hear these quotes. That I wanted to share.
I wish that TikTok had been around when this
was happening. There'd be quotes of it all the
time. Everywhere. So these are some quotes to
start with, maybe. Who was Marilyn Monroe, even?
One. I'm a hairstylist. I mean, I cut hair. I'm
out, you know? Like sauerkraut. But that doesn't
mean I'm gone. I was about to be like, okay.
And then you ruined it. It's fitting it's eliminated.
He's like, I'm out. You know? Like sauerkraut.
But that doesn't mean I'm gone. I feel so awesome
that I can be solo with her. Okay. We look hot
together. Okay. There's people that they're not
and there's people that they are. You know? Not
wrong. This is just one word. But, uh, tractioned.
He was attractioned to her. I look into her eyes
and I feel like I can conversate. Not a word.
But at the same time, silently speaking. That
was just one sentence. This one I need a little
context. Um, a skunk got into the house at one
point and they were all trying to - I kind of
wish you said it without context. Okay. Um, everyone
thinks they're the crocodile hunter at this point.
Were they getting the skunk out? Yeah. Okay.
And then there was a guy named Cage. That was
his name because he was a cage fighter. Oh, I
love that. And he got really mad at one point.
And Fox in his goes, Cage gets furiated. Somebody
find me this guy and just, thanks for the laughs,
Fox. Thanks so much. I need to, before we leave,
I need to look him up. Fox from, not Zootopia.
Daisy of Love. I know. He's really something.
I would really recommend going home and watching
Daisy of Love from start to finish. Daisy De
La Hoya is fantastic. The show is so entertaining.
So the first time we rewatched it, me and Justin,
because, you know, Justin didn't watch any of
this, because, like, what would Jesus do? And
so a few years ago, we decided to rewatch. For
me, it was a rewatch. For him, it was first time.
All the Rock of Loves and Daisy of Love, right?
Mm -hmm. Justin's never seen these. And most
of the time when we watch these, we're making
fun of them. That's sort of our love language
with one another. And so I need you to imagine
guys in 2009 -ish and what they were dressed
like. Well, like, okay, like, uh, like ripped
up. jeans and affliction t -shirts and rip off
Ed Hardy. You know, the vibe. Yeah. So they're
all standing outside the like house where they're
all going to live. And Justin, without any prompting
anything for me to rip on these guys, just goes,
damn, buckle's going to run out of stuff about
how they're all dressed. And I really fell in
love with him then. And we'd been living together
for about three years at that point, but I fell
in love with him all over again when he said
that. So yeah, rewatch these shows with your
significant other and enjoy. Mike will absolutely
not watch these shows. Or you know what? We should
do it together. Let's all have a double date.
Okay. Where we watch these shows. Maybe there's
alcohol. Because when Justin and I watch these
shows, the goal is to make fun of it. So tell
him that he can fully just make fun of them.
And that's what we'll do. Okay. And I bet he'll
come out of... Well, Mike's not really in a shell,
but he'll come out of something. He'll come out
a new man. Yep. So I hope you guys have enjoyed
this. Is there anything else we didn't get to
that you wanted to relive for these shows? I
don't think so. They were all wild. I'll tell
you that much. I'm sure there's stuff we're missing
because there was so much. So much. This was
such a big chunk of history. yeah like the only
things that like I remember specific well like
so like there's those those of love shows where
they're really trying to find their love but
then there's like next yeah and like and that's
like MTV that's like that's MTV There's, what
was the one where the parents are trying to find
their - Parental control. Parental control. Oh,
fuck. Room Raiders. Oh, yes. There's so many
shows that are in the same vein of early reality.
In the same amount of time. Yeah. Like early
reality shows on MTV slash VH1. That weren't
real. They were definitely scripted. No. But
I genuinely believe that I needed to keep shoes
on at all times because I didn't want to go into
this - van and have my room raided without shoes
on so you thought that room raiders was just
kidnaps those people didn't know they were gonna
be on the show wow if you want us to kidnap courtney
next season Just tell me and I'll make it happen.
No. But no, there's so much from this era that
we can talk about and we could relive really
specifically. We could do other episodes like
this where we kind of take a chunk of the shows
and break them down. So if you guys want to hear
more of this, I'm sure you fucking will. But
if there's something specific, please tell us
and we're happy to do it. I mean, I always want
to relive these shows. They're so entertaining.
They're something. They're really something.
I'm glad we were alive for this. Me too, honestly.
Yeah. It was good. It was a good time. Like,
I feel so sorry for, like, the kids that are
being born now that, like, had no idea. You didn't
get to watch Rock of Love while it was happening?
That's why, like, I remember, new episode, I
gotta watch it. It's actually really funny. So
I was watching it last night with my friend Amanda.
Yeah. And her boyfriend was, like, at his, like,
family's house watching, having a watch party
for... doctor who yeah and her response when
he said i'm having a watch party she was like
oh what time does it come on and he was like
any fucking time i'm streaming it eight seven
central dude it was on every every whatever night
i'm telling you when i when my mom said i remember
you having to watch that it was like daisy of
love is on tonight it's the new episode it's
only at this time they didn't just replay it
after you had to wait to see it again until vh1
felt like throwing you a fucking bone so it's
like i would be like leave me alone and go in
my room lock the door watch vh1 yeah you had
to Things came on at specific times, new episodes.
You didn't just get to binge it. Yeah. You didn't
just get to choose when you wanted to watch it.
But now I can, and I'm glad I've experienced
both. Yeah. It's good times. And we hope you
guys have enjoyed it too. Make sure you binge
all of our episodes. Yeah. And we'll be back
next week. Yeah. So you get to binge, but you
also get to wait until the next time it comes
on. Yeah. So stay tuned for the next episode
of Clarissa and Courtney of Love. 30 Dirty and
Dying of Love. I like that. Boss? See you later.
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