How long has it been?
Is the sound okay?
Does it sound okay?
Yeah, yeah.
Alright.
Alhamdulillah.
Yeah, so how long has it been?
6, 7 months?
Yeah, yeah, 6, 7 months.
It's been a while.
We're back home, we're back home finally.
Yeah, it's been a long break.
Well, I'm happy to be the first one.
Yeah, thank you.
I just met you when was it?
Like 3 months?
But when did I actually meet you in March?
It's been a while.
Yeah, I think so.
And it's so nice that even though I met you since a short time and we've got this relationship.
Absolutely.
When you just come for a podcast without even any bothers.
I really appreciate you coming.
I appreciate the invite.
Thank you very much for having me.
So do you want to, should we start with the content they used to post out?
Yeah.
Do you want to move into that?
Yeah, yeah.
So this red pill, McDow thing started trending back in 2019 and it was booming.
It was everywhere and it was actually needed because the way the social media was headed
back then was just like dancing girls everywhere.
You just start scrolling.
You could not even like it or watch it, but it would just be forced on your feed on TikTok
and Instagram.
So that's why I think a few creators started this red pill thing and it was needed back
then.
And yeah, I think it was 2020 when I realized like there was no content in Hindi.
So that's when I first started uploading it, but not really with my face on.
It's just like behind the scenes.
The voiceover was in Hindi and it took off because Indian men needed that and needed
to hear something like that.
And because of such a vast majority of people are like not educated in English.
So I think it was welcomed.
And I think even 100 videos I've posted it gained about 150,000 views in a few months
time.
And so it was a clear sign that men needed something harsh and a reality check.
They needed to hear that.
So to begin with, for people that don't know, what exactly is this red pill mentality or
way of thinking?
So basically it's what I focused on was Miktow men going their own way.
That's what it stands for.
So because of high divorce rates and over 80% of divorces being initiated by women and
any court cases, legal actions being, which start end up being favored in women's way,
men losing everything.
And like the studies show men suicide rates are like three times, four times high because
of all this drama and favoritism towards women.
Men end up with nothing.
So marriage was absolutely not beneficial for men at all.
Like they were not getting anything out of it.
They were losing money.
And towards the end, if something doesn't work out, is a woman who's like writing, signing
off the divorce papers first and just getting out.
And in the end, men lose more than 50% of their assets and stuff.
So seeing a few of my friends and stuff deal with all that.
And that's what made me start creating this content.
But as I grew older, I realized that I've been a bit too harsh.
It's been with the bad women.
It's like it's also the responsibility of men who need to be very strict in terms of
picking who their partners are.
Good women are super rare these days.
And hence, the downfall of marriage.
That's why it's happening.
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think it's a lot harder now to find a woman that is with all the required
characteristics that men, or good men are looking for these days?
Just one answer, man.
That's the feminism.
It's all the fault of feminism, to be honest.
And yes, the founder of feminism were men, believe it or not.
Why?
It was because before in traditional families, man was working.
The wife stayed home, took care of the kids in the house.
But there was just one taxpayer.
You see, there's one taxpayer per home.
And that's not beneficial for the government.
And they were like, oh, how do we increase the number from one to two, or maybe three
taxpayers per household, get the women to start working?
And that's where feminism started.
It's like, oh, women, you're oppressing at home.
You can do so much more.
You can go work, earn as much as your husband.
You could be independent.
You don't need to listen.
You don't need to stay at home.
But yeah, and that's how it ended up, and guess what, 100 years later, divorce rates
are high.
Children are out on the street because their moms don't want to stay in.
Suicide rates of men are high because their wives are not listening or not being compliant.
Their marriages are a wreck.
So it's been quite sad.
There's also the right to vote, a lot of politicians benefit from the fact that more women can
now vote and it's easy to kind of manipulate them to vote to the left-hand side.
So that was also a benefit towards, I'm assuming, men create that as well at the time, same
with feminism.
It's so interesting now, before even the car manufacturers, you know, the people that bought
the cars were men.
Now you get twice the same population of females buying the cars.
And all the stock for all the manufacturers in the US, the whole skyrocket because the
population has doubled because if a man needs a car, a woman needs a car as well.
That's double tax, double insurance, double fuel.
So what is the solution?
How do you battle that?
How would you suggest a good solution to kind of maybe not spending as much, even though
they advertise you to get each person to get a car, each person to get a house, all that?
Well, educating the woman as well as a man, I think that's where you start off with.
It's like, I think I feel like we are at the other end of the circle now because the feminism
of what it has created for the past hundred years, women of the new generation, they have
seen their mothers, their grandmother's struggle with broken marriages, broken homes.
They are actually reverting back to the traditional values.
So if you, I don't know if you have noticed, but the traditional housewife, the traditional
family content is very high now because women are reverting back.
They are like, they've realized that I've seen my mom struggle with multiple marriages.
I've seen my grandma struggle and my dads and moms, uncles and aunts, they are like mentally
traumatized as well because of them being raised in broken families and all that.
And so they're realizing this on their own, but it would be good to, content like these
to educate people even more, the men included that you don't need two people working.
Men and women are equally different, but equally as beautiful and they have their own purpose,
their own standards.
And my religion Islam sets it so straightforward and like the standard of women is so high.
Like it's like they have been given the status of a queen from like a birthright.
Their status is a queen.
It's like you don't need to work.
You will have like a man to serve you.
Literally.
And like that's the status, but now the government and the propaganda is like, no, no, no, come
down from that queen position.
Like you need to work, be a slave.
They're just, it's basically like a queen becoming a slave, you know, it's when their
birthright is to be provided for because they are so valued and honored, but women don't
realize their value anymore.
I like the saying that men have to build their value.
Women have to have to preserve their value.
So that's how it is.
You also mentioned when a woman starts working, it costs the household a hundred thousand
pounds.
Yes.
Because of the cost of childcare and yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like if you do a study that if you calculate how much a housewife is worth, it could be
as well as if she's worth a hundred thousand dollars pounds a year because she's saving
money in your takeaway food and childcare nanny and like taking care, like cleaning of the
house, the dishes and all that adds up to thousands of pounds.
Doesn't it?
100%.
I think obviously with that, you can think of it both ways because if both people are
working in the same household, there's money coming in.
If you have your parents and stuff that are helping you look after the child, like obviously
there's two arguments to the spectrum.
Absolutely.
No, I agree.
If you can manage, like they're like my parents, the grandparents are able to help out and
like the woman is sitting free, like is like helped around the house a lot.
And I say, why not?
I don't, I never say like, oh, you're a woman to stay at home.
That's, that's, that's wrong.
If she has the time, she can go contribute to the world outside.
That's fine, but not at the expense of like her family.
Yeah.
If she can manage everything and go out, I said, do it.
That's, that's wonderful.
I think it's in your priorities, right?
Yes, exactly.
So in my family, the women I know in like my aunts, my mom and all that, they stayed at
home while the kids were young.
Once the kids grow up and they left the home for you to pursue universities, jobs and all
that.
That's when they actually started getting into their careers, starting their own businesses.
The few of my aunts who are doctors, they became GPs and all that became proper into
the careers because women have like a short span of their fertility, the time to raise
their kids and all that.
But again, the government doesn't want them to waste time because they have like this
20 until 35, this 15 year span in which they can be, they're healthy to have kids.
But and after, after 35, and maybe even after 40, when the kids are like all grown up, 10
years old, 15 years old, they can, they have time to get into workforce.
But they don't, the government doesn't want that.
These elites don't want that.
They want the women to start working as soon as they turn 15, 16.
Yeah.
What do you think motivates them to work and keep working?
It's this inner urge to the feeling to provide for his mom, dad, wife, kids.
It's a manly feeling only men can understand.
It's like Andhita says, in order to protect first family, like men will charge towards
of firing machine guns.
Like imagine that.
Imagine how men, why are brains are wired?
You know, it's like, like thousands of years ago, men were charging at like firing machine
guns.
Like they knew they were going to die.
But, but just because in their hearts, they knew like, if I put my life in there, there's
a possibility my family back home could be safe, could be protected from these enemies.
I'm going to lay out my life.
So men are amazing, to be honest.
Do you think it's something encoded in our DNA because of our ancestors, the way they
lived and then throughout time, you know, it's just something that's kind of within
us that's just kind of unlocked the older you get.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was always in us.
This capability of and the passion for providing and protecting.
It has always been from the start of mankind.
It was given as our right to protect and provide while the women nurture and care.
And yeah, that's all there is to say about it.
It's very straightforward.
They just made it very complicated these days.
It's everything so mixed.
Oh, it's not as straightforward as I could do this.
I could do that.
But coming to the base, the foundation is very straightforward, to be honest.
And yeah, that's all there is to say.
What do you think?
If you could name three things that a guide can start doing or should be doing in order
to increase their value as a man, what would you say they are?
Working out.
That's number one.
Number one is working out staying fit.
Your value as a man is your fitness because if you're too lazy, if you can't defend yourself,
if you can't in a threat situation, if you can't even protect yourself, you're just too
scared, you're the first to run away.
There are videos like that of a man walking with his wife, a robber pulls up, the man
is the first to turn away, so definitely fitness first.
And second, I would say is knowledge.
A 9-10% of people just stop their education as soon as they finish school, which isn't
right.
Keep educating yourself with the books and get rid of your ego, learn from other people
around.
People are egoistic, men are egoistic.
They're like, oh no, I know what I'm doing, even though they don't.
Have like enough, be humble enough to be like, okay, this guy knows what he's doing.
I need to learn and read books, follow good inspiring men, so many around.
And number three would be learning from your mistakes, I would say.
Again, men's ego is like a very bad thing.
In my own family, I've seen men who would make mistakes, but would never admit it.
Never own up to it.
They are like, oh, it's just bad luck.
I'm going to do the same thing again, hoping for a different result, but it doesn't happen,
you see.
Having the humbleness to accept your mistakes and just go forward, I would say these three
things would make a better man, definitely.
What do you think, because I mentioned earlier about what motivates a man, what do you think
motivates a woman from your perspective?
That's a good question, you know.
Obviously, we can only speak from a guy's point of view.
Yeah.
I'm just getting to the gender differences of what motivates each gender to do what they
want to do in life.
Have you heard of the term baby fever women get?
Yeah.
So it's like the how if they don't have a baby, yeah, that's up in the weather.
Have to actually kind of, yeah, they get like super crazy.
And they get this.
I think after like eight of 25, they get this periods of baby fever where the woman is craving
a child and she's like, oh my goodness.
Oh, I don't have a partner.
I don't have this.
I'm really busy with my career, but she sees babies everywhere and it upsets her.
She wants one of her own.
So I would say what motivates a woman is like having a family, even though they denied these
women denied all they want.
But in the end, they crave like a strong husband and like a family of their own kids of her
own.
And again, I believe that's from ancestors from seeing their grandparents and the mothers.
I mean, you can deny all your one, but the fact that you're alive is because your mother
had a child.
My mother had me.
And one thing you can't do is like, you can't forget history.
I believe you can't forget your ancestors.
That's rule number one in life.
Sometimes as well, like Warren Buffer says that, you know, the biggest stock guy says
you can only know the future if you know the past.
You can only predict the future if you know the past.
Absolutely.
Yeah, also one thing which has been trending like, oh, don't worry about your past, forget
your past, but past makes you.
You can't just go around denying and just ignoring your past because like I said, if
you make mistakes, you need to learn from your mistakes, you need to learn from your
past, you know.
So yeah.
I want to ask you what motivates you because I know it's about men, it's about women.
What motivates you specifically?
Specifically I think I was raised in Saudi Arabia.
It's where like immigrants weren't as respected.
I've seen my uncles and my dad struggle there.
They have put in like years, decades in building the country, helping them build the country
and they have been in good positions, but never really got the respect they needed because
honestly, they're very hardworking.
They deserve so much more, so much more respect, but it's unfortunate that immigrants are
not really respected over there.
So I wanted to get out of there, come to the West and that's the first thing which I've
noticed is like the respect people get over here.
Even like the, let's say the smallest job, that person would be equally respected as
a higher up compared to an higher up.
And that's what my motivation was like to get out of there and come into like a good
first world country, establish myself here and my parents who have struggled put so much
money in, wanted to make myself something here so I could repay.
Is that because if you have children for example, do you want to show them as a man that has
been respected here?
Do you feel like when you're a kid you saw your parents being disrespected, you don't
want that to happen for yourself basically?
Yes, 100%.
And the thing is if you get too comfortable wherever you are, you will be disrespected
by people around you.
If you just get into like this whole of comfort and you stop struggling and trying to get
out of that bubble and like it just, you don't even your wife won't respect you in the end.
Like as a man you need to keep moving up, try to, even if you're stuck somewhere it's
like the effort of trying to get out of there, trying to do something new, trying to learn
something new, try to do something, like even if it's the same job, try to do something
better, try to be better, that the constant effort is very important as a man.
You see because you hear women complaining, the wife's complaining that oh, he's just
too lazy, he isn't as same anymore because when they first meet the guy's like oh I'm
passionate about this, these are my hobbies and afterwards once he gets a woman they're
like too comfortable.
Yes, and that can cost the relationship to be honest.
Yeah.
Since we're on that topic, if you, if a couple, if a married couple do get to a point where
the woman stopped respecting the man, what do you think can be done at that point?
So anything be done?
Yeah, absolutely.
So in my religion Islam divorce is the last thing you should do, that's the, like it
is allowed, but it was the last thing to be allowed, it's very hated thing.
So if you can make it work, you need to make it work.
So as a man, if your woman is not interested anymore, is like disobedient and stuff, it
is mostly likely because of the man itself, which has caused it.
And like, let's say if they're at that point, he needs to realize that it's him which has
caused it.
It's 19% of the time it's a guy who has let the relationship down.
So making sure he gets back up, stop being lazy, hits the gym, show a few of his gains
to his wife and all that, start working more, be more passionate, be just like even somewhat
close to what he was when they first met, like how he impressed her, like, oh, these
are my hobbies, these are my passion, I want to be this, be that.
Even like 10% of that would revive that relationship.
But I'm not saying 100% because women, some women are really bad, very toxic.
So it depends on the woman, but the majority of the cases, it's the man who gets lazy and
personal story.
I felt my motivations crash as soon as I got married.
It happens to a lot of people.
I think it's a natural thing.
I think it's like something clicks in your brain that, oh, okay, I found a girl, I can
just relax now.
You've locked something down, it's like you've done what you had to do, now you can kind
of take a step back.
Absolutely.
And but the thing is, because I was so active since my teenage years, I was into sports
and fitness, that years of experience and practice helped me keep the momentum going.
Because for the one year after my marriage, I had no intention, no motivation whatsoever
to go hit the gym.
But because I've been doing it for so many years, that discipline kicked in and I was
able to push through it.
Elliot Hulls, if you know him, he says life comes in circles.
So your motivations could be at the highest point, but there's guaranteed there'll be
a point where it comes all the way down.
But the discipline, you need to be disciplined and make sure you continue so you can reach
back there.
So it comes a full circle.
And I felt that as well.
And now I am back to be honest, like I want to hit the gym, I want to make new gains,
I want to eat healthy.
But that past one year, it's been a struggle to be honest.
So that's why I recommend like try to push all the young men or the boys or teenage years
to get active as soon as they can from the earliest age as possible.
Because 99% of the men, they don't even hit the gym until they're like fat.
And imagine that after they're married and they're fat, they try to hit the gym and they've
never been to gym before, never tried fitness before.
They can't do it.
They can just do like a couple of months and then just not even yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Throwing some kids in there.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm saying the time, the energy.
So you mentioned your motivation dropped all the way to zero.
How did you get that back up then?
Just from looking at your history or did you do something?
Did you look at your earlier holds videos?
What was the snap where you realized that and you fix up?
Like I said, I think you just even though I knew deep down that, oh, I don't feel like
going my motivations are low.
Is it like I said, it's a discipline for the previous years which I've been at it, helping
me push through.
Honestly, man, the motivation videos, nothing worked.
I like the motivation videos never hit as they used to.
Yeah, it was a funny time, but I think just the discipline.
The only answer is that discipline helped me push through that period of one year.
And yeah, and we live in an era of millions of motivational videos, you know, and you
see these kids like Andrew Tate, David Goggins and all that, Joe Rogan, Mike Tyson's podcast,
there's so much content out there, but these kids consume it, but in the end they just
watch it and then from the go back to doing what they're doing anyway.
Yeah, yeah, you need that like a kick inside you, a spark inside you to do it, you know,
no matter how much motivation videos you watch.
Just to get a bit more deeper and personal, you said, you know, while you were that point
in your life where you had the zero motivation, was it a point in your life where you were
just going through a hard time or was there a lot of other things going on in your life
which led up to you having, you know, meeting that point where you had zero motivation to
do anything?
Nah, it was just getting married.
I think that just something goes on in your brain that says something's locked down.
You just, you can chill now.
So just the ability to notice that, acknowledge that thing, but still being able to push through
that's important because I immediately noticed that, oh, I'm getting too lazy.
I'm getting those lazy subconscious feeling that, oh, you don't need to do that.
Right.
No, you don't need to hit the gym.
Is that inner voice?
Yeah.
You look fine, you don't need to hit that.
You really want to go out in the cold, walk out 15 minutes to the gym, have you wasted?
You don't need that.
You look fine.
Because yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you can always tell yourself out of it because
especially if you're married, it's like, what am I doing all this for?
Do I mean like?
Exactly, yeah.
Like no matter how fat I get, but whatever, you think your partner's going to be happy
because you're married now.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not the case.
Never the case.
Unfortunately, yeah, I've had so many friends who have gotten fat after getting married and
sometimes I've seen them after like a few months, I wouldn't even recognize them.
And it's very common, unfortunately.
And yeah, just that's why like a good friend of mine, he was in his late teens and he's
never been to the gym and I was like, you need to start getting into habit now.
It's going to get even more difficult as you get grow old and when you start time for marriage,
if you can't do it now, it's impossible to do it after marriage.
One more thing I want to say was good company, men need.
You asked for three good things which make a great man.
I think number four, I would even say top three is like having good, strong masculine
friends and try to like, they should be more than your level.
Try to find like older, more accomplishment.
So they push you, you should never hang out with friends who are like below you at least
your level or higher than you.
And you get into those friend circles when you have no ego in you understand, no ego.
Because if you have ego, it's really like, oh, I'm just better than him.
It doesn't allow you to get into good friend circles.
When I was in India for my engineering, I made some good friends.
I was 20 years old.
I was hanging out with 30 year old well established men.
They would have like four or five kids.
They run their own business 12 hours a day and still managed to find two hours gym at
night, 10 p.m. to 12 a.m. at night.
And they have like kids at home.
They have to get up six o'clock in the morning, go take care of the businesses.
They were like proper millionaires, right?
I was fortunate enough to be, go to the gym in a good part of town.
And I literally saw what work ethic was compared to like my previous gym.
Like there'll be uncles and stuff.
They're like, oh, beta, you don't need to do it as much.
You're coming too frequently.
You can just come here two days a week.
Because he couldn't come more than two days a week.
So he would try to tell others and try to bring them down.
So there was a people that are doing shit in life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Borsh advice.
Exactly, exactly.
Let's try to make you content.
Like don't try.
You don't have to stress you save enough to like pressure yourself.
They feel threatened because you are getting out of the box while they're stuck in the
box so they're trying to pull you back in.
And so when I went, changed my gym, these guys, man, I think they honestly changed my
life because they set a standard so high.
I was able to see what a man can accomplish.
He has four kids at home, this particular guy.
And he's 12 hours on site.
He has some business with a warehouse.
And he would always be there six days a week, two hours at night.
And he was the biggest guy in the gym as well.
And natural.
No steroids as well.
And I was like, I want to be like you, man.
I like what you said earlier, try to hang around with people older than you.
Is that because the experience of being through the being through all the silly things you're
going to go through at the moment in your life and you kind of learn from how they went
through it and the advice that they give you.
Absolutely.
So I'm not saying just hang out with men older than you.
You can hang out with friends, but make sure that they are as motivated and want to achieve
something in life.
But also make sure you have a couple of good friends who are older and so they can give
you and guide you to the right path and keep you on the right path.
Because if you have like even one friend who is like the lazy, the dirty kind, he will
pull you down.
And it's so easy to fall, by the way.
Absolutely.
Because it's easier to be lazy and to just watch movies online and eat bad food than
it is to work hard.
Absolutely.
And I know that for example, it's so easy for you to fall.
You can even say some things like, oh, let's go out for food today.
And the next thing you know, you're like spending the whole day doing dumb shit.
I know.
Or you've got friends that play video games all day.
It's so easy to like fall into that category.
Absolutely.
And you know, the media says like, oh, don't judge.
Don't judge people.
Don't judge my past.
Don't judge this, that.
I think that's silly because I think it's one of the best capabilities of human to judge.
Because that's how you, how do you differentiate good from bad?
You judge, don't you?
Yes.
Yeah.
What, what the media, the least one is like, like blurred lines between good and bad.
So like everyone is average and bad.
And I think it's, it's, Andrew Tate says this, like, I have been so hard on myself, strict
diet, strict workout, trying to stay like a fit, sleepless nights for my businesses
and all that.
Why the hell should I not judge the person I'm going to hang out with?
If I judge myself so hard that I've put myself through so much hard shit, why should I not
judge the people around me?
Of course I'm going to judge them.
You think, uh, judging other people is a way to like, you're kind of seeing yourself in
the mirror or someone that you used to be and you're kind of portraying that hatred towards
yourself in a way, but you're actually talking about somebody else.
Yeah, I can get in a position where I could be judging someone, which is quite bad, but
I'm also looking at myself that I used to be doing that.
And I'm just like, man, I can't believe I was like that.
So I judge in a way of like saying, that used to be me, but then I realized after that I
really should shut myself up because, you know, they'll come a time where this person
might be, uh, find themselves and come back to the light.
Absolutely.
And in a way like you shouldn't judge people because that time could be coming a bit later
because we've all been in a place where we were like proper losers.
But you need to realize that not everyone is as lucky because there is a reason only
like less than 5% of men continue to hit the gym.
Um, maybe you could have escaped that.
Doesn't mean that he will.
But what a good man will do is like, if he sees someone doing some bad stuff, um, is
going and trying to help him out.
And if that person, uh, his, he doesn't have, um, high ego, he would appreciate you giving
advice.
So like to be a bigger man is like, um, uh, obviously you escaped something bad and like
you try to, um, like teach people to not do what you have done.
If you see people doing the same thing, trying to say like, Oh, I've been there, man.
Don't having the courage to speak out and, uh, try to get out.
Try to teach and make other in the community better.
Uh, try to make people better.
That's what a big man does, you know, I want to ask you one more question.
Um, why has been the most painful period in your life?
Oh, it's, uh, let's, let's say, uh, interesting question.
I would say, um, uh, the period of time which made me, uh, go from grow from a boy to a
man, uh, would be, I think it was 2017 till 2019.
And, um, I was like, uh, 20 till 22 years old.
That's when like, um, my, my dad like lost his job.
And it's like I said, um, so much disrespected over there because he, my dad has the best
CV I've ever seen on a man, uh, the greatest CV, very high accomplished, but it was so
sad to see him being disrespected over there.
And so he, uh, he lost his job in Saudi Arabia and, um, because like he was my main funder.
I was in India.
I was doing my engineering and it just hit me.
I was like, oh, shit, I don't have money anymore.
But he still, uh, managed somewhat to keep some money, uh, coming to me.
Uh, I appreciate that a lot.
Uh, never let me fell the pinch, but because me being a man, I knew what he was going through.
Um, and because I think it was like two years he struggled and, uh, obviously, uh, I struggled
and that's when I realized that employment, um, working for someone isn't the best.
You need to make yourself something, uh, and do something on your own, uh, because your
employment could just come to an end any day.
They don't respect you.
Uh, they're just like a tiny asset.
Uh, they could replace you in a second.
So those two years, uh, I realized, uh, the value of a person, uh, and like how much,
um, uh, how important it is to like, you know, make yourself something instead of just relying
on like a nine to five throughout your life.
And also made me more responsible on money.
Uh, I was very materialistic.
Uh, my parents spoiled me, uh, growing up with so much stuff.
Uh, and this was a period of time like I had no money for the first time you see, and no
money to spend, no, no money to go out.
Um, so it made me more responsible money.
Um, and since then, uh, even when the times were good, I, I just wouldn't, I wouldn't
spend money on.
I realized like it's, um, these materialistic things.
Yeah.
It don't fulfill you.
You don't need it.
You can be as happy without them.
Yeah.
And as you invest in some good memories with your family, uh, like going out, having, uh,
dinner together instead of like expensive clothes, expensive watches, expensive shoes,
I don't, uh, after those two years, I've realized that, um, you don't need money to be happy.
You can, uh, and you don't need materialistic things that after that, I think after that
period, that that's how, um, I've grown.
Uh, I don't spend anymore.
I don't enjoy spending anymore.
Uh, even though I could afford something nice, uh, I wouldn't get something.
I wouldn't recommend, um, I would say it's the best thing that everyone should do it.
But I think it's just me that, um, if I could get something for a hundred pounds, which
is very good compared to something for 50 pounds, which is like average, I'll get the
50 pound one because it just, I can do off that.
If something, if it breaks down, I can get another one and it plays the same role.
And, uh, like I would instead invest in, um, like a Crips, uh, if I can, or just, just
like, uh, something which creates memories, you know, you don't need to spend big, uh,
to like live life and be happy and be satisfied.
I think if you can learn to live with like something little, um, it goes a long way.
Cause if, obviously if you get used to, you know, having things that are expensive, living
an expensive luxurious lifestyle, then you can never step down.
Absolutely.
Oh, a hundred percent.
That's what I tell my wife as well, actually that, um, I was raised spoiled.
My parents were kind enough to, um, give me whatever I wanted growing up.
I would just ask for something.
They would give it to me.
And that's why you see when there was no money, I was breaking down.
I was, I was out mentally.
Uh, I, like I was just being extra dramatic as well.
Like, like actually sheared my head.
Uh, yeah, I was that dramatic.
I was like, damn, I can't deal with this.
I'm, um, and that's when I like, I look back and really like, I was so mentally fragile.
Um, uh, and I'm happy that happened because it made me grow.
Yeah.
Uh, it also made me get into gym more, uh, get into reading finance books, motivational
books, uh, and all that.
I've educated myself.
I've used that time really well to grow up.
So bad times does make a man, but, uh, only if he's smart enough to acknowledge, uh, what's,
what's wrong, what, what happened.
Um, and like how he could prevent it next time.
Yeah.
That's very interesting.
Um, last question.
Yeah.
What is your end goal?
Cause I know you mentioned that guy before that was doing all the businesses and four
kids.
Is that something that you want to spike to be in the future or is it you're working towards
our kind of, um, goal that you see?
Cause you, that person set the standard for you.
So I, I would say I would be very happy if I end up in a position like him.
Um, like, uh, um, lots of kids, a happy wife, a good business, you're self-reliant on yourself.
You're, you're healthy, you're, um, fit.
You look the best, uh, at your age.
Um, I think it was like, like, I think.
Um, mid thirties and he was the biggest guy in the gym.
So it would definitely be a good, um, uh, good endpoint to be honest.
Um, and just carrying that same standard into your sixties.
Uh, um, yeah.
And I would say, obviously, um, uh, be, uh, prioritize my Dean as well, uh, be religious
and the be charitable.
What my religion teaches you, try to be the, uh, good person.
Islam teaches you to be the charitable, the helping hand, uh, in the society.
Um, and yeah, be a source of motivation to young men, uh, women and everyone around.
Is there anything else you want to, no, nothing.
I think we pretty much covered everything I wanted to go through.
Um, it was a fun being here.
Thank you for having me.
Honestly, thank you for coming on.
Obviously it's been a long time since we even did a podcast.
So this was quite, uh, did feel quite new to us as well.
Yeah.
We've been out for so long.
Um, so yeah, it's been great.
Um, new setting, everything, everything's pretty much new.
Even rebranded.
So everything, everything's like new now.
So I wish you guys the best.
Uh, thank you for having me once again.
It's, um, honestly, it's a good thing what you guys are doing.
Uh, it's very noble.
Um, and for a noble cause, um, trying to motivate men, uh, trying to bring betterment
to the society.
Uh, it's a noble cause.
I wish you guys the best.
Appreciate that, bro.
Thank you for coming on.
Um, yeah.
Thank you for listening to the podcast.
Hope you guys enjoyed it.
Stay tuned for the next one.
Peace.
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