Hi, everyone. Hi, everyone. I'm Vince. And I'm
Emily. And you're listening to The Lighthouse
Lowdown. We can't help but dance every time.
Yeah, we've had some difficulty getting started
this morning. That's not true. Yeah, well, we
had some coffee. We went to a banging, what is
it, French bakery. Yeah, what is it called? How
dare you? Something French. I don't know. It's
on the box. It was off of Metcalf. If you guys
are local to KC. Right next to Jose Peppers.
In an oriental supermarket. So we got fired up.
We got some pastries. We got some coffee. Ready
to go. It's like one of those special mornings
where you don't think there's going to be anything
special happening. And then all of a sudden it's
like, oh my gosh. This is the best pastry I've
ever had in my life. Look at how European this
place is. That's what happened. I'm really excited.
Good. I love pastry shops. I always wanted to
work in a bakery. Really? Yeah. That's like your
thing? Mm -hmm. We had a friend who worked in
a bakery, kind of. Yeah. Bakery? Was it a bakery?
It was a bakery. Yeah. Hurt her elbow. Too much
baking. Yeah. Lots of piping bags squeezing.
Gotta keep the elbow in. Well, today we're on
episode 81. 81! It's a Sunday morning. Thank
you for joining us. Hopefully you are caffeinated
as well. And this is my episode. It's been a
little bit, so let's go. I'm so ready. Yeah.
The history buoy of the day. You are familiar
with the Lyle gun. I'm not familiar with it.
Well, we're about to be. So there's a man named
David. Well, he's passed now. David A. Lyle.
He was a graduate from West Point, which is the
Army's military academy. Like super elite, very
hard to get into academy. In 1869, way back.
That's when he graduated. So his specialty was
ordnance. So explosions, cannons, guns. I didn't
know that was called ordnance. Ordnance. Yeah,
they still use that word for bombs and rockets
and shit. So kind of cool. There was a request
from the Secretary of the Treasury in the United
States at the time who was in charge of what
was called the Life Saving Service. Later on,
that would be incorporated into the U .S. Coast
Guard. But at the time, Life Saving Service,
which I think is a military body, they asked
for the Army's assistance in improving their
life -saving apparatus, the tools that they used.
Oh, yes. Specifically for ships that were running
aground because... It happened over and over
again where near lighthouses, ships, that's the
reason lighthouses were there, but ships would
run aground or hit a rock or a reef or something
they weren't expecting. And then they would begin
to sink. And even though you could see them from
the shore, most of the time, like. We were at
Cape Cod at the life -saving station, and we
saw they had a horse -drawn carriage where they
would take a boat, and a horse would pull the
boat, and there's a bunch of men, and they'd
try to go out. But imagine it's storming, as
almost always, the ocean. Storming, it's sand.
These boats are not flimsy. They're solid wood,
just powerful. What do they say, like 1 ,000
pounds or something? Maybe thousands. They're
huge, 30, 50 feet long. Even though it's a rowboat,
it's still like... So you had to get that into
the water, manage a horse and a cart and a bunch
of people, wake them up, and then try to get
to the boat. And then the ship that's sinking,
you can't easily connect to it very well. So
anyways, you can see there's some challenges.
So they wanted to get some tools to help improve
that process. So they contacted the armory. Lyle
was, I think he was an officer. Yeah, as a graduate
of the academy, you're an officer. He transferred
to the Springfield Armory. which today is the
name of a gun brand in the United States. Oh,
cool. But Springfield Armory was historically
the large armory of the United States Army. Was
it in Springfield, Missouri? I think Illinois.
Oh. Got excited there. Not Mo. That's only two
and a half hours from here. So we went to the
Quad Cities, remember, for my family's... thing
where we found milltown coffee yes yeah if you
want emily to remember exactly if you want emily
to remember a trip just tell her well it's the
coffee shop where we saw the police officers
going right before close oh yeah yeah yeah so
wow you you really did conjure up the memory
by saying that there you go um but yeah that's
so springfield armory uh and he spent two years
there um and there was an air quotes in addition
to his regular duties oh Who knows what else
he was doing. Yeah, he was stretching. He was
an ordnance guy, so he spent two years playing
with the things that they had available in the
armory and kind of coming up with some new ideas
and testing things. So in 1878, he had developed
an accurate, lightweight gun cannon, mini cannon,
which was put into service at life -saving stations.
Life -saving stations along the nation's coast,
the United States. As a testimony to the effectiveness
of this work, Lyle's gun, it's been estimated
that by the year 1906, so roughly 30 years later,
the gun was responsible for saving 4 ,500 lives.
And this was the one that they shot a harpoon
into the boat? We'll talk about it. Okay, okay.
I didn't know if you were assuming that our listeners.
I'll show you and we'll talk through it too in
case people are just listening. It's interesting
because I... Because we learned about it twice
at two different life -saving stations, I felt
like, wait a minute. Oh, no. I learned it twice
because I went with Carly to Rehoboth Beach.
Oh, yeah. And they had a life -saving station.
So anyway. And then Cape Cod had one. Yes. Yep.
I felt like, was that Indian Point? Cape Cod?
Yeah. Race Point. Race Point. Okay. So the one
that I went to must have been Indian Point. Oh,
no. I can't remember. So. It's fine. But I was
just going to say that. Because we've learned
about it twice. It feels like we've talked about
it already on the podcast, but we haven't. Right.
It's special. It's been in the background. But
now it's a lighthouse buoy. But now it's a focus.
Like a pyramid. So, you know, 1878 was the launch
of this. That's the beginning of production.
It went 4 ,500 lives is the count by the year
1906, which is crazy. Yeah, that's wild. I don't
understand how that number exists, but that's
the number. And then this is from the National
Parks website, by the way. Kind of cool. Lyle's
life -saving gun remained in production through
World War II. So through the 1940s. 52, I think,
was the end of World War II. 45 was... I forget
now. I thought it was like 44 was the beginning.
I know it was in the 40s. Anyways. So what he
did, he developed a small cannon that shot a
projectile. to which a lightweight line, a small
rope, was attached to a stranded vessel. So it
shot the projectile over the vessel or to the
vessel. And let's go to the website. I want to
show you some photos as we talk through this.
So this is the website I'm referencing, National
Park Service. And this link is going to be in
our description, of course. Massachusetts. So
here's the small cannon. This is David. They're
always fancier than I think about them in my
head. Handsome son of a bitch. Look at that mustache.
Well, the mustache is crazy. The goatee could
go. For the time? Bold. Yeah, true. So there's
a little cannon. Beautiful woodwork on this one.
I think this is an exhibit, but who knows. They
still use these as far as exhibits go. They're
not used today in modern rescue missions, but
they were used for a long time. Here's the boat
we were talking about with the horse -drawn carriage.
Load of effort looks like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
8. That horse is pushing. So like 16, 17 men
to make this happen versus going with the Lyle
gun. We'll talk about this painting in a second.
Okay, so here's this thing. It looks like a torpedo
backwards. So you load it. It's about 18 pounds.
You load it into the small cannon after loading
a small pouch that has gunpowder in it. And then
this end has a loop on it. They tie a rope to
that loop. And do you remember, I think there's
an image in here, this thing. Do you remember
the box that had a bunch of rods in it and rope
was woven up and down and up and down? So when
they shot it, it would quickly unravel. So I
saw a video of this demonstration on YouTube.
They tie the line. They wet the first six feet.
That way the gunpowder doesn't burn the line,
which is crazy. They tie the knots to the harpoon,
if you will. And then... um they flip the box
over so they dump out the line yeah and it's
it's it's ready to unravel at crazy speed as
this cannonball basically yeah because no way
if it was touching anything it would get tangled
yeah which or if you had a knot it'd be a problem
and so what they would do is they'd fire an 18
pound thingy up to 600 yards oh wow which is
insane six football fields six football fields
in length shoot which is crazy the demonstrations
i saw looked like 100 yards so i think they're
using less gunpowder for safety and to not damage
to be reasonable yeah you know something bad
happens like for pure functionality and nowadays
it's like we just want to demonstrate why we
don't need to do the yeah also where do you find
space to demonstrate 600 yards well the yeah
the one i saw they fired it into the water oh
okay But again, they had to make sure those knots
were tied because we lost our projectile. Anyway,
so they shoot this rope. And then it's, I don't
know what the, it's not a heavy rope that appears.
It's like half an inch maybe in diameter. And
so they can use that. The design was the ship
receives this thing. Yeah. And then they can
pull a heavier rope if they need a heavier rope
to like pull the boat or to do whatever they
need to do. In some cases, they would just put
on what were called breeches buoys, which is,
there's a lot of things shown in this painting
that I want to talk about. It's just a really
cool painting. Give me a second to find my note
on it. You're good. So it's called The Lifeline.
It's painted in 1884 by Winslow Holm. Absolutely
awesome. It's a beautiful painting. And it was
mentioned, there's, you know, all on this website,
it mentions that this woman that's shown, she's
shown overwhelmed. So she's passed out. Oh, of
course. They always are. In the 1800s. It's so
funny how, like, women in these time periods
are like, oh, they're so delicate. They can't
handle it. Like, they had to have been fainting.
Sorry, this is a totally unrelated, but I just.
Honestly. So it's so funny every time that they're
like, you know, the fainting couches like they
can't. I don't want to say something that's inappropriate,
but I do have an honest question. If we were
to go back in time to the 1800s and men were
weaker and smaller, they just they just were.
They had more testosterone that's been shown.
More intellectual focus. But they had. Poor nutrition.
They didn't know anything about sleeping. They
slept on terrible mattresses. They were crazy
shifts. People died younger. They didn't, you
know, we talked about mercury poisoning, that
lead poison. Things were crazy all over the place.
Yeah. And they'll probably say this about us
in 200 years from now. Plastics everywhere. Microplastics
in their blood. It's much easier to be a human
now. Yeah. So if you're a woman and you had,
you worked all the time on the house or at. a
laboring job, whatever life was not super easy.
Also malnutrition, also lack of sleep, also caring
for the babies, caring for the family, wearing
these tight clothes that were period specific.
I wonder if women didn't faint more. I mean,
I know like, yeah, I know. And that was most
of the point people would make is, Oh, sorry.
Sorry. Is that, uh, women were wearing clothes
that restricted their breathing. They got hot
at all. Then yeah, there was a real chance of
them passing out, you know? And And modesty was
a thing. They're heavily covered. Like they're
wearing like eight layers of fabric. So like,
I get it. I just, I think it's so funny. It's
like, of course. Yeah. In a stressful situation,
she's passed out. Yeah. I mean, in the painting,
the sea is super rough. There's a cliff off to
the right. So they're near land. Yeah, they're
doused with water. Today, if this happened, people
would be fainting for sure. Yeah. People would
be passing out, getting sick. It would be bad.
It's an interesting. The painting, like a stylistic
choice that they would cover the face of the
rescuer. So they talk about that. Oh. Just briefly
in this text, they say that they obscured the
face of the rescuer because then it could be
any man. It could be anyone in the service. You
can see his uniform, but not him. Yeah, it's
not like a guy. It's like it's the entity of
this life -saving service. That's cool. He's
wearing a cap. It might be a helmet. I can't
tell. And it talks about how her dress. shows
her knees. Yeah, just a sliver of knees. And
it's clung to her body because it's wet from
the sea spray. Yeah, right. And they said normally
this would be left out of any reputable gallery
of the day. It would not show these risque knees.
Yeah, it's like you can see the outline of her
thighs. Exactly. But it was such a well -known,
beautiful, important painting that they let it
go. Well, because it's all, it's... It's real.
Yeah, exactly. It's not like they didn't paint
this like, oh, look at her thighs. It's like,
this is what it would be like if you were being,
and if they wouldn't be showing that in galleries,
like you wouldn't be seeing real stuff. It's
probably evokes a lot of emotion in this time.
Well, it's funny too. That's like the American
mindset where if you go back even further in
time, the statue of David is a naked man and,
or then there's naked women all over. Yeah. Like
sculptures covered. Yeah. So I just thought it
was a beautiful painting. I wanted to include
it, and it's really, really interesting. But
you can see the lightweight rope going to the
bottom of that pulley. Oh, yeah, you're right.
And then the heavier rope supposedly was transferred
after the lightweight rope, you know, via the
Lyle gun. In the top corner, is that the ship
sails? I think so. I think it's kind of amorphous.
We know there's land on the right. We know there's
a ship on the left. They're being pulled to the
right effectively by this. Cool. And then the
other thing that's not really well shown here,
I think I'll go up or down in a second, but the
breeches buoy. I was like, what does that mean?
It's pants. Yeah, yeah. As in your breeches.
Floating pants. So I can't really tell in this
painting if they wanted to use that or not, but
essentially it was a flotation ring, and then
inside they had sewn leather shorts that your
legs would be inside of. I guess that was a big
deal because someone could be passed out or they
could be rocked pretty hard and they'd still
be able to get across this line. So Breach's
Bowie is something else maybe we can talk about
in the future. But the painting was really cool.
And then this is a side story, but it showed
a 600 -yard shot that was made because a river
was overly wide. There was some flooding. Connecticut
River flooded in 1936. The Lyle Lightsaving Gun
helped establish communications by throwing lines
to pull phone lines across the swollen river.
It was in the local newspaper. So they showed
in dashes where they made these shots and then
brought temporary lines. Yeah. Super cool. Not
related to a ship, but. Yeah. So I just thought
that was a really neat one. Oh, and so if you
want to see one today, obviously YouTube has.
videos like i just talked about there's two places
they said in the united states that still show
exhibits i can't remember the second was the
first was at race point okay yeah right next
to the it's a u .s national cape cod seashore
and it's next to the life -saving station so
there's a race point lighthouse and the life
-saving station we walk to along that big boardwalk
yeah and they have kind of the i forget what
it's called the land mass where they have flags
they hang on um It's like the mast of a ship,
but it's built into the earth. So they have firing
sessions over there. And they said they give
exhibits weekly each summer. And that was printed
in the Cape Cod Times newspaper in 2005. So it's
cool that when we were there in 2024, right?
Yeah, 2024. One of those two years. They're still
doing it. The guys we saw there were super passionate.
The Life Saving Station is definitely worth a
visit. So, that is your history, Bowie. Very
cool. Of the day. I like that. A little good.
I kind of forgot that that was a thing we could
cover. It's been on my list for a while. Yeah.
Excellent, Bowie. What do we have next? Oh, no.
We're going to Sweden. I'll just let you. The
pronunciation. Okay. Best I can say. I've quested
Google for this. Of course. Vaderobod. Vaderobod.
Vaderobod. Vaderobod. And anyone who's Swedish
or speaks Swedish. So sorry. Please chime in.
I can say in the word Fjallbacka, I think is
the town. Fjallbacka. Because I was there and
I heard it many times. And then that word is
in English. Archipelago. And we got that one
down for sure. So Vaderobod. and the Falbeca
Archipelago. And I'm going to cover kind of two
things, and I'll tell you why. So Baderabud,
I did not physically see because it's about nine
miles off the coast on a small archipelago, a
small collection of islands we're going to talk
about. And it's the big lighthouse out west.
There's a couple, but one of the big lighthouses
out west of where I was in Falbeca area in Sweden
on my trip just two weeks ago. So I wanted to
just, I have some personal photos I'll show.
But this lighthouse is a really big one. And
then the archipelago has several lighthouses.
But there is no information on the internet.
Oh, shoot. I can tell you what the boat captain
told me and what I observed, which is interesting.
But I wanted to give a real lighthouse call out
with some background information. He talked about
the lighthouses a little? A little bit. I asked
him. I told him about our podcast. Oh, yes. We
may have one listener in Sweden now. So that's
just what I wanted to get talking about. So I
looked up some pronunciations to get this going.
So Vader Obode. And then I went into Google Translate
to figure out what's happening here. So there's
a lot of things. So Vader means weather. Oh.
Obode means island hut. So weather, island hut,
maybe. Also, Bode, B -O -D, means shed. Okay?
Okay. And I was like, didn't we talk about lawn
sorts, fear? Wasn't that the word lighthouse?
Yes. Fear is lighthouse, which is not used here.
Yeah. And then I had fun with this. Light and
house, the words. The word light is use, which
is L -J -U -S. Oh. Use. And house is huse. H
-E -H -U -S. A lighthouse is a use -use. Now,
I don't think that's what they actually say,
but as far as Google Translate goes, that was
the source. I thought that was funny. That was
cute. So, Vejderabod is considered the most solitary
lighthouse in Sweden because it's the furthest
out. Obviously, it's quite isolated. It's on
the outer islands in the southwestern Vejdero
archipelago. The archipelago... It compromises
10 kilometers long row of islands. So we have
the inner land and then two archipelagos that
are western, out to sea, if you will, from Sweden.
I'm going to show you on a map shortly what those
look like. The lighthouse is 15 kilometers west
of Hamburgsund and Fjellbeke. So about nine miles
is what my math said. And where's the map? It
has great reviews. Yeah. I'm going to leave it
open. But for a moment, here we are in Sweden.
We're on the southwest coast. Oh, yeah. So you
have Norway over here and Denmark below. But
this is the open ocean. So you have two towns
in here. Fjallbeka. My gosh, you guys did a lot
of driving. Hamburgsund. So these are only about
15 minutes apart, weirdly. What are? Fjallbeka
and Hamburgsund. Oh, yeah. I was just looking
at, what is it? Jottenberg. Jottenberg. Yes,
we'll talk about the trip for a second. So we
flew into Gothenburg, Jottenberg, Jottenberg.
And then people are going to love this. Uddevalla
is a university town, by the way. So we went
up after, so we spent a couple days in Jottenberg,
went up to stay out here. No, we didn't. We went
up north first, and we met some family members
on this area. And we saw... What area? Just south
of the Norwegian border. I forget what the region
is called. I have to ask my mom. She named the
region, no problem. But I cannot right now. Sorenberg?
I don't think it's going to be on Google Maps.
But just south, so you can see there's a jetty
that comes in of the Norway and Sweden border.
So I talked to my family members. Andreas was
his name. Very talkative, super nice dude. Monica
is Andreas' spouse. Okay. So you heard Monica,
the name. Yes. These are very distant relatives
my mom reconnected us with, and it was really
awesome. They hosted us for dinner at their house.
Oh, that's nice. We drove around. We saw some
graveyards and churches that were historical
for our family. Then we saw our old family farm.
which is all in this area. So my mom's side of
the family goes back to Sweden. Great, great.
My great grandparents were Swedish on my mom's
side. So they came to America in the 1800s when
this part of Sweden was like starving. Things
really went poorly. There's a big economic downturn.
Jobs were hard to find. So a bunch of them moved
to the United States in one fell swoop. And then
they kind of stopped. So it's not that common
for immigrants from this part of Sweden to go
to the U .S. Okay, just that one time. They were
farmers, and it's beautiful land out here. Super
green, rolling hills, rains a ton. The winters
only get down to like 50 Fahrenheit because it's
right on the ocean. Oh, I thought, for some reason,
I thought Sweden was all very snowy and icy and
dark. No, no. They said sometimes it'll get colder,
but usually it's not. Interesting. We should
be there. It was really beautiful. And my mom
kept saying, oh, my gosh, this looks just like
her hometown, which was Illinois. And then before
that, the family lived in Iowa. Yeah. There's
certain parts of Iowa that are really green and
rolling. So anyways. Can I ask you a question?
Yeah. What did you guys have at their house to
eat? I can't remember what it's called. It was
a Swedish sandwich cake, smorgasbord. Yum. So
it didn't have this on the side, but it was full
of mayo. It was really good. So it was like bread
and like veggies? Yeah, veggies and bread. There
was some meats on top. It looked a lot like this.
They just made that? She said she bought it from
the store. Because she is a teacher. Monica is
a teacher. And she had just done the... year
end, like day before we showed up. Oh, really?
So they just finished and sent their students
off. Oh, that's so fun. Yeah, it was super refreshing.
I will say that was a lot of mayo. Yeah. They're
like, oh, the Americans are coming. Let's give
them. Let's give them just fat. Apparently it's
a really traditional thing and it was really
good. It looks tasty. Ooh, like egg stuff in
there. I've never even heard of it before. My
mom's making fresh homemade potato salad. Great.
I'm not a potato salad guy. Well. Sorry, I just
saw the egg part of that sandwich, and I was
like, you know what else is happening today?
Yeah. So I'll try it. Maybe it'll be great. I've
never had my mom's homemade potato salad. Yeah.
Pinky's up. So as we go, I'm just going to show
the map for a moment. So we were up here, and
then we went and spent two days down in Hamburgsund,
which is here. It's a beautiful little town.
We're going to talk about some more. Oh, I thought
you said Hamburgsund. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I pointed
at the wrong one. Oh. I'm looking at a tiny screen
too far away. I should look at the big screen.
There's H's everywhere. Yeah. So Swedish is difficult.
Apparently, they told me that it has ties to
German and German can understand Swedish really
well. I can believe that. I speak a little German.
I'm Bishan. But I don't understand almost anything.
As somebody who doesn't speak either one, they
sound similar. Okay. They have the same like.
throaty stuff yeah well it was people are super
nice which is really the best part yeah traveling
we love that and is that what we discovered in
sweden too is that people were just like yeah
we were in stockholm they were really pleasant
and left you alone so it wasn't um yeah the wait
staff and whatnot they weren't pushy sales people
you walk into even like a trinket store which
is for us tourists you walk in and they're like
hello and then yeah They just leave you to your
own devices. They just leave you alone. They're
like, you know, you'll ask if you need something
is the expectation. So that was nice. So we went
up here two days in a little cottage in Hamburg.
We took a boat tour, saw this island archipelago.
And then we went over to through Young Shipping.
That's where I sent you. We went to like a McDonald's.
So you went back down. Yeah, to Wachau, which
is down here. Oh, wow. So this area. I'm looking
for a town called Costa. Here it is. So Costa,
Costa is, like Costa Boda is a really famous
glass brand. So there's another town right next
to it called Boda. If I can find it. Excuse me.
Can't find it right now. But we stayed outside
of Costa in another hut cottage out here, which
is like five generations past town. All these
properties are. It's crazy. But yeah, Vacu Costa,
this is really pretty. And this is the kingdom
of glass. So Orifers is a famous name. And the
glasses I brought back are Orifers. So blue dot,
crystal glass. We went to Nebro. That's where
that guy and his daughter were working. Oh, yes.
Anyway, so I'm filling in some weird details
here. But we went down here. And then we made
the long drive about four and a half, five hours
up to Stockholm. Okay. Turned in the car and
spent another couple days in Stockholm. Nice.
And Emily knows Stockholm pretty well. We went
there two years ago for four days, five days.
Yeah, four days. It was great. I highly recommend
traveling to Sweden. My brother was telling me,
he talked to some of his friends about, oh, yeah,
we're going to Sweden. And they said, why? He
goes, to visit, to be tourists. They're like,
why? It's awesome. What are you talking about?
It's probably one, I mean, listen, Japan is going
to have to be number one on my list until something
knocks it off, which would be difficult. But
Sweden was, before I went to Japan, Sweden was
like far above any other vacation spot I've ever
been to. It's just beautiful. It's easy. People
are sweet. The food is delicious. It's all like,
I feel like it was the easiest and most rewarding
vacation we've taken. There's not that many people
there. Yes, it's quiet. Stockholm's their huge
city. They don't like cars in the cities and
things. Public transportation is very convenient,
and it's everywhere. It's really good. Yeah,
the guy told me, our tour guide, long story,
but in the two major cities, Gothenburg and Stockholm,
there are fees for congestion. So if your vehicle
is seen, the license plates are scanned in the
city between 6 and 6. Yeah. then or six and 1800
as they say then uh you're fined it's like a
reasonable fine yeah it's more like a like uh
just you paid it's a tax yeah the taxes are super
high uh in general like income tax and whatnot
but they have really good services free university
free health care uh it's a beautiful place i
heard the summer this uh winter is uh brutal
yeah so dark winter yeah but because of it's
The summers are super bright. People just sit
out in the sun. That's an activity they do. Absorb.
Midsummer is a big celebration up there. There's
a horror movie I watched on it that was not really
relevant. But if you look how far north it is,
I think it's Toronto, is roughly the same. I'm
clicked on the lighthouse, so it won't let me
see big waypoints. Yeah, my brother lived there
for over five years, and the summers were just...
Everything that wasn't winter was just an amazing
time. In the winter, it was like you were trying
to hunker down and survive. When the sun's only
up for like three hours, it's kind of a struggle.
And then I was making fun of everyone super white
like myself. And I was telling Scott, my brother,
if we were to find a way to export Swedish sunscreen
to the United States. We'd make a lot of money
because it works. And I bought some. I actually
have it. You should try it. What? It's 50 SPF.
How dare you keep little secrets from me? It's
not a secret. I used it. I mean, I just need
it. Practically, I need it. I didn't buy it to
bring it back. I'm only offended because you
really talked up their sunscreen. And secretly,
you have a tiny stash. I have a tiny stash. I'm
trying it today. Anyways, it just feels different
than ours. I don't think it has the same components.
Probably not. So it's not as oily. It worked.
I didn't get burned. Good. And we were in the
sun quite a bit. The UV index was five to six
often. Okay. So the sun was burning up there
in the summertime, which is kind of interesting.
Yeah. But anyways. Back to our lighthouse. Back
to the lighthouse. So we're going to go to the
west coast, north side of Sweden. Fjallbeka,
Ambreksund, right there. And then, so when we
went to explore, we looked at this archipelago.
Yeah, close to land. Which was about an hour
on a boat that we went through. But we saw a
lot of things in here. And then if you went further
out, there's two island groups. Vajarana, I don't
know. And Vajarobot, which we're talking about.
So the lighthouse is on this island. So you couldn't
see it from where you were boating. It was too
far. And if you look at the Google image, it's
like. This is rock. Very rocky. It's very rock.
But also it's the sun that makes it look this
way. You can't physically see the lighthouse
in this. And the other outbuildings are like
bleached. I think summer sun really is tough
out here. So just wanted to give you an idea
of where we're at before we keep going. All right.
There was two lighthouses here. The first one
was built in 1867. It was oil -powered, so conventional
lighthouse. And it was one of the type of lighthouses
that they copied and used a lot of places. The
name was Heidenstamm. It's probably someone's
name. But it's got stilts, and it's a small building
on top of the stilts. Not very tall up. This
one, I think, is 60 feet tall. for example, but
the Alderman was shorter. So you're saying before
this lighthouse, they had a different one that
was one on stilts. Okay. And I think we're going
to see a photo of it, but this is the one that's
there today. 1867, they built that one and they
built some dwelling houses and established a
lighthouse staff. There was about 20 people that
lived there. Oh, no way. At the peak of its time.
Were they all to do with the lighthouse or was
it like a little community? They were all to
do with the lighthouse and then supporting those
people. So there was a teacher that came and
started a school. The teacher lived in the lighthouse
keeper's house upstairs and had her own little
room. And there was 20 people. So they had a
school that ran from January to June. I don't
know why. Maybe they sent the teacher home. I
don't know. But she had her own room. There's
no real big history that happened out there that's
been recorded on this website. 1932, there was...
New technology for navigation and communications.
Obviously, telephone was growing. We're growing.
So it was decided that the Heinzdenstamm lighthouse
should be taken down and replaced with a new
lighthouse that would be able to be automated.
So 1930s. So they said, without manpower, how
could we keep a lighthouse out here? And this
is what they came up with. That's interesting.
So they extinguished this lighthouse. No, the
first one. Okay. In 1964, so 30 years later after
deciding. And it was demolished in 69. So there's
a couple years where the two lighthouses stood
next to each other. Oh. So this is translated
to English, so it's probably not perfect. But
this up here, Foreindigen Veiderabod, that's
the association for Veiderabod, the formation
of people for. So it shows you the island. Here's
a picture that I was referencing. Oh, interesting.
So it's like, oh, that's so cool. It looks like
a Scottish lighthouse, but skeletal, which I
have never seen before. Yeah, skeletal. It does
have the tower, so it's not an exposed staircase,
if you will. Yeah, it looks exactly like a normal.
Normally, for me, skeleton lighthouses look,
like if you were to put a shell on the outside,
it still wouldn't look exactly like a lighthouse.
It's like it's too wide at the base. But this
looks exactly just like a lighthouse you would
build, except... Maybe it's because of the height.
Because if you extended it up taller and kept
that angle of the legs, it would go further and
further. Good point. Yeah, this comment said,
a rare picture, the short period when both lighthouses
were erected on the island. Awesome. And this
one was the original. It's on the west coast,
so further out to sea. The new taller one was
put inland on the east side. I think because
there's a big plot of land that was flat over
there. Maybe that's why... In the Google images,
it doesn't show the lighthouse where the dot
is. It's because the dot used to be where that
is. Maybe. So the original one was black or is
that rusted? So I can tell you. The original
one. I can tell you. Was black. Okay. It was
always black. With like an aluminum roof, it
looks like. And then they built the new one and
it was red with a black stripe. So 63 foot tall,
the new one. So from 1964 to 85, it was up and
it was orange with a black belt. Today, it's
painted a bright red color, singular. They switched
it up. Yeah, the new lighthouse looks very military.
I think it's because of the roof that overhangs
the lantern room. Yeah, the roof that overhangs
the lantern room. And there's something about
that. One of the lighthouses we're going to see.
inland on the archipelago i went to very short
same structure though oh really without no without
a tower it's only a couple feet tall huh oh cute
so kind of interesting and and again the swedish
like some of their brands that are popular um
like volvo is from sweden husqvarna um which
we toured both of those which is really cool
there's a bunch of swedish brands it's a little
bit german like in the sense for efficiency except
it's got a little more quirk to it. Think of
Ikea design and coloration and a little more
positivity and artistic touch. So I think that
comes into the lighthouses as well. That's interesting
because I do know what you're talking about when
you say like German utility. Yeah, and it's like
Sweden, a little bit of flair. Yeah. That kind
of goes with it. Yeah, a little less serious
than German design, but kind of fun. So that
short lighthouse was demolished in 69. The residential
buildings were abandoned and were almost to a
state of dilapidation. Oh, no. They were vandalized
and then condemned by the government. Okay. Until
Forenagen Vedrabod was formed in 1979. So the
association. Today, thanks to their work, which
is all non -profit, the houses are almost back
to their... original exterior condition wow so
i think they're not inhabited no they're not
livable but they're like visually yeah i mean
this picture i've pulled up they look great they
look good and the lighthouse is still an active
signal nice it's automated of course and you
can visit so this is part of a nature reserve
and so it's kind of a national park and you can
land kayaks or other small boats and visit this
place and i've seen pictures of people camping
there yeah it's way out to sea so If you look
at it in the Google Maps, it looks really barren
out there. But then when you look at it from
this photo, it actually does a lot to explore.
It'd be a little scary, but I would be really
interested to do a kayak from Fjallbeka. So you'd
go nine miles. So you'd take a long time to do
it. My arms. And then to go back the next day,
I wouldn't be able to. Yeah. So maybe we should
have like a two -person kayak. Come on! Well,
think about this for a second. For us Kansans,
okay, you'd be on the open ocean for miles. And
I don't know what's out there, but there are
large sea life out there. That's true. And it's
not likely that you're going to get attacked
or something. I don't mean to be overdramatic.
I just mean the feeling of being on the ocean
in a little kayak is scary for me to think about.
Yeah. Well, I just listened to a true crime podcast
where... A lady and her husband, her fiance went
out when it was a little stormy to an island
and back in kayaks and he capsized and died because
the water was so cold that he couldn't like your
body locks up. You die. I've always wanted to
ocean kayak. It would be really scary, but I
ocean kayaked. Where? Belize. Really? Just went
out for fun. It was a two -person kayak. Was
it a fast kayak, very narrow? No, not particularly.
It was more like to satiate the visitors. A little
tourist. Yeah. Well, and that makes sense. I've
owned kayaks. We used to kayak just a couple
times we've been. But the wider and shorter it
is, the more stable it is, the better it is for
floating and drinking beer. Okay. And for newer
kayakers. Some waves and stuff, yeah. You know,
mine that I had, one of the reasons I really
liked them, I had a, I can't remember the brand
now. Pungo. Wilderness Systems. Pungo. 12 foot,
12 and a half foot long. So they get longer and
thinner. And so mine was kind of a hybrid to
where a new person would be fine. Yeah. Because
it's pretty stable. But it's still challenging.
But it was way faster. Oh. Like my friends all
had entry level kayaks and I bought like an intermediate
kayak. And we just had flat water is what they
call it. lakes you know ponds um here in kansas
and i really enjoyed it because it was i could
get out and go exercise in it um i could go all
the way around a lake edge and my friends would
want to go to the middle and back because they're
tired yeah or as soon as you stop paddling it
starts turning that's the sign of a cheap kayak
so you so so we when you my kayak was better
than yours yep And you just didn't say anything,
so I felt extra weak and small. Well, so I had
two. The other one was also Wilderness Systems.
The green? The green one. It was an old, like,
90s model. It was rocky. And it was, again, the
same style. It was 11 feet long, so longer than
a standard 10 or 8 foot, but a little more narrow,
but pretty stable. It was actually for fishing.
I actually enjoyed that kayak more than the other
one. Yeah. Well, and the other one was really
meant for midsize people. And I was always going
to buy a 14 foot, which was meant for me. And
I never, you know, $1 ,200. I never bought the
second one. The second we have a place, we are
listed. Hold on. The second we are living in
a stable location and have storage space, we'll
get kayaks again. I actually really enjoyed it.
It was just, it was a lot to. get them down from
the roof of our garage. Well, and you, you know,
like we talked about, you can go out and throw
an anchor down and you can literally drink beers
or fish or you can go out and exercise. Are you
going to go explore some little Island off of
some lake? Like there's a lot of different kayaking
is not really one thing. And what, one of the
things I want to do like, um, outside of where
my grandma lived in Ventura, California, there's
a small group of islands. I forget what it's
called. But they're really pretty and they have
caves. And so you can go. One of the things that's
common to do there is to sea kayak on a tour.
Is it hard? I don't know. My mentality is anytime
you go on vacation, train for the vacation. If
you're going to go around Sweden and walk a bunch
of hills and walk through the city, you should
be at home walking five miles a day, walking
hills, getting new shoes, stretching. It makes
it that much more enjoyable. Yeah, because you
know that you're physically capable. Like right
now, if you and I were about to go on a vacation
and you're like, why don't we sign up for this
kayaking? We're not ready. To an island. I'd
be like, uh, no. If you were like, hey, in our
trip six months from now, like, do you want to
be ready to do that? And I would be like, hell
yeah. Right. Even if you're doing like a hike,
45 minute hike. No big deal. Anyone could make
a 45 minute walk uphill. But you're going to
feel it the next day. Yeah. You're going to be
tired. Then you'll be stunted. Yeah. Sorry, I
got us so off track. That's what the Belize kayak
is for. It's like, you know, the casual floater.
Yeah. We're off track. But you can visit Vida
Rabote. And most often people do it by sea kayak.
Yeah. I saw some sea kayaks on the archipelago
in groups. The water was really still. It was
crazy flat. My photos, which we'll look at. That
day, so they told us the tides don't impact much
inside the archipelago. They really don't go
up and down much, which is interesting. Very
strange. I think the formation of Norway and
the island below, which is Denmark, kind of break
up some of that. That's a barrier, yeah. And
then the archipelago has, so Sweden has the most
number of islands of any country in the world,
I think is what they told me. They named all
the little ones. So, anyways. I bet there's like,
sorry, I won't get it. No, it's all right. I
was going to say, I bet there's so many different
ownerships of islands. Like rich people everywhere.
Like buy an island. Buy an island. Have a tiny
island. Yeah. So I made a mistake. I just read.
The light is no longer active. The tower is still,
I say it's active and they still paint it. And
it's still a visual representation. Yeah, but
it's not flashing. Yeah. And that was in 2008.
They decided that it was deemed superfluous.
for merchant ships and the swedish maritime administration
asked that it be extinguished because it creates
confusion probably if they're looking for something
else but um so that's just a day mark falbeca
in that that coastal area is known for herring
um oh fish like massive collects collections
of fish and there's not so many now that's kind
of overfished it in the past which is too bad
the city's been there the classic story falbeca
has been there for long time they think the vikings
were fishing there so wow there's been a settlement
for a long time but today um lobster catch are
big up there in november october um and it's
mostly there's like 1100 people that live there
so it's really nice yeah they say tourism it's
not like that's what scott's friends why would
you go to sweden yeah well it's not rome i was
just about to say it's not like a rome tourism
it's not paris like it's not supposed to be like
We're going to go to the Coliseum, and then right
next door, we're going to go see this thing,
and then we're going to go see this thing. It's
a place to absorb, but not a place to chip off
things. It's a real place. Yeah. Anyways, so
2008, the light went out. We just love travel.
We're like, ooh, travel. In 2010, the Vader Abode
Association, I can't say the word anymore. No,
no, you're good. They bought the lighthouse from
the government for the symbolic sum of one krona.
Oh, that's so cute. Swedish crown. Yeah. And
they took over the ownership and responsibility
for the lighthouse. Nice. And has allowed it
to continue to shine. So, for example, there's
some translation in currency about a tenth. So
if it's a thousand krona, it's about a hundred
dollars. Okay. I discovered that there's some
percentage off there. Effectively. So a penny,
you know, one krona is potentially a tenth of
a penny. So anyways, it was not a big sale is
the point. Yeah, it's just symbolic, right? In
the summer of 2011. Sorry, it got spooky outside.
Yeah, it's a little dark. Gonna get some rain.
Sorry. This is fun. I'm having a good time. Yeah,
me too. Cute. Okay. In the summer of 2011. The
county administrative board decided to create
the nature reserve that I spoke about. So in
connection with the nature reserve, parts of
the former bird protection areas were also changed
with regard to the lighthouse. So the southeastern
part of the island was made available to visitors
throughout the year. So there's areas of the
island they ask you not to disturb. But the physical
lighthouse in these buildings we see, that's
kind of designed for people to go visit. That
would make sense. Also, it's the easiest part
for you to access. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm almost
at the end of my notes, but I have some things
I'd like to show I think will be entertaining.
Okay. So we'll continue to talk. So I want to
show you photos of Fjallbeka, the city. There's
just this website. So it's a coastal town. It's
kind of illustrated from this big -ass rock,
which is granite, that's in the middle of the
town. So the town is kind of separated. Huh.
North and south, if you will. Yeah. And then
they have a big port area. It's all small boats.
They don't want to build on it? I think it's
hard to, especially with plumbing. Okay. I'm
guessing that's the challenge. Didn't even think
about that. And then there's a hike that I showed
you some photos of personally. I won't show them
here because they're kind of off topic. But there's
a hike you can go on up to the top of this rock
where you can look down on the city. Is that
where you went on? Mm -hmm. Oh, this is nice
seeing it from like a top angle. Yeah. This is
from the south looking north. So we got picked
up right here for our little tour. Beautiful
buildings, a church that's been there forever
and a half. This rock you can see, but it's just
a beautiful little town. It's gorgeous. On the
coast. So interesting that there's just this
giant hunk of rock right in the middle of the
city. And they just leave it alone. They're like,
I'll just build around it. Yeah. Just wanted
to show some. So you get, it's green, it's rocky.
All the red roofs. They told us, by the way,
this rock is granite. And it's one of the huge
exports from the west coast of Sweden. They send
granite to Italy, Germany, France, and it paves
all the streets. Oh, yeah. So anywhere, I've
always been fascinated by that. They're like
cobblestones or squares. In Sweden when we were.
Yeah, yeah. We're dragging those damn suitcases.
Over rough cobblestones. I told my mom that.
I said, next time I come to Gamla Stan, this
little island in the middle of Stockholm, I will
not have a rolling suitcase. But my mom brought
a rolling suitcase. Did she roll it over the
cobblestones? Yeah. Was it terrible? I helped
a little bit. Oh, okay. Because you don't throw
your shoulder out. It hurts. Key tip for everybody.
Unless you really can't carry it. Unless you
really can't. bring a backpack or a suitcase
with a handle that you can trade off hands instead
of a rolling bag to anywhere in Western Europe.
Because these cobblestones, which come from...
They'll tear your arm out of your socket. Come
from Rebecca. They're like an inch tall. In between,
there's a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. They're
actually like four -inch cubes, it turns out.
And they set them... But they're tall. Yeah,
because the grout goes away. Anyways, so they're
fantastic for walking surfaces. But they're...
They're very durable and they're cheap, whatever.
And beautiful. They're way better than us in
the United States. We use frigging concrete everywhere.
And it just, it's so boring. It's so ugly. Like
there's different colors of granite. So they
can have, like if there's a. a stripe around
the edge of a road. They just use white granite
or red granite. Yeah. Anyways, it's just so,
I was fascinated by that. There's so much value
into something being visually appealing. You
can attract a lot of people to your city just
by having cobblestone streets. People are like,
Oh wow, this looks so nice. Or even my hometown
has a little brick street area. It's like, Oh
cool. Streets are, the roads are brick. It's
just not a big deal. Cool. Oh yeah. I remember
that. Like in Manhattan, there's like a little
area that's in Lawrence too, I think. So here's
some pictures from my trip. I trimmed them just
to show the boat only. I won't click on them
because I'll waste all day, but we'll click on
something if we see. So it's my mom, my brother,
and I went on this little boat, six people. I
got to find the lighthouse. So there's a bunch
of lighthouses, and I really couldn't find much
information on them. But you'll see the water's
super, super calm. It's really pretty out there.
I think this is an overlook house. This is at
the top of something. That's so small. You mentioned
it's part of the lighthouse system. Really? Yeah,
so the lighthouse system is a bunch of small
lighthouses like this one. And my camera's not,
I don't have a great zoom lens. It did clear
up as you were zooming back out. But you can
see it's the same turret style. Yeah. And it's
white. And it's got, so I thought I saw this
through my camera, and then I asked him as we
were getting back to the dock, and I was correct.
They're range lights. So they all have a panel
of green, a panel of, two panels of red, and
then. Those are not range lights. Aren't they?
No, it's called sector lights or something. What's
a range light then? Range light is when there's
two that they line up together. Oh. Yeah. Wow.
Got to go back to our history buoy a long time
ago. Apparently. Well, thank you for being the
specialist and correcting me. You're welcome.
Some of our listeners are going to appreciate
that accuracy. Well, you know, we're just learning.
We don't know what we're talking about. Yeah,
we're just here for fun. And I'm just clicking
through photos, guys. I'm looking for some more
lighthouse stuff. Oh, you should show the picture
that you took of the buildings where it's perfectly
reflective. Refracted in the water. I mean, here's
a pretty good one. It's not as good as the one.
I think we're coming up on it. Okay. And none
of these pictures are edited yet. So usually
my editing software. Look at that. It's just
a rock. But the water was so calm. And I actually
have photos in here. Yeah, those. You have a
particular favorite you want to look for? Go
over like. That's my mom. She's so cute. Okay,
I guess everyone should be watching this on our
YouTube. See Vince's pictures. Yeah, I'm sorry
for those of you who are just listening. We're
flipping through the pictures. If you want to,
check them out on our YouTube. Oh, here's a good
picture. We're close. And this area is blocked
out. But the other side, which we did see. Little
stairs. I think Scott actually took a pretty
good picture. That's a good one. See, the last
picture is always the best one for me. I'm always
like, yep, satisfied. Oh, yes, the red and green.
So there you go. So they're not range lights.
They're sector lights. Thanks for the correction.
And here's some comms solar panel probably and
some antenna. But it's on the face of the rock,
which makes sense. And he told me, the boat captain,
there's a series of lighthouses, which all of
them have these sector lights. He called them
range lights. Yeah. But he's also English, second
language. But he would say that, you know, more
or less, they'll tell you if you're in a safe
zone or not. And then I added as a bonus, this
is on top of a restaurant we went to. I love
it when they lean into their history, their lighthouse
history. The Harbor House. Cute. And I don't
want to take, I looked into this more than we
need to describe, but the Harbor House, first
off, really good food. It's in Hamburgsund. What
did you eat? I have pictures on my phone. Okay.
I went there twice. I know once was a seafood
Alfredo. Oh. And the other, I don't remember,
but it was good. Yum. I remember the bar. I talked
to the guy about the beers there. But this also
has like three little hotel rooms. One's an apartment,
three apartments built into it. You can rent
out above the restaurant. And this patio is attached
to one of them. So you could have your own personal
lighthouse. Outside of the patio. Wicked. Again,
I have the website and all that, but I didn't
figure it was really going to add much to our
episode today. It won't add much to our episode,
but it'll add to our lives someday. Big Swedish
flag. Swedish. I love Sweden. I had a great time.
I also feel, I understand why my mom wanted this
to go. I feel like I'm always going to be more
connected to Sweden. And in some ways, my ancestors
from that side, that I met somebody and they
were super nice and talkative. Excited to know
you. We got to see more than, you know, the typical
tourist would never go look at a farm or a graveyard
or a church. But we saw these beautiful places
that meant something to our family. Yeah. And
everything over there is old as heck. You know,
long history. That's the best part. And I was
just telling Vince, for our listeners, that...
Often, Vince and I hear something is 100 years
old. We're like, oh, it's not that much. Because
we're so used to researching lighthouses that
can be hundreds of years old, especially overseas
where lighthouses were being built in the 1600s,
1500s. And so our idea of time has been warped
where I'm like, 150 years is like, oh, yeah,
it's old. It's not super old. And the world is
so interesting because of the history. Even the
non -monumental history, like family history.
They were telling me about our farm and how it
split in half. There was two brothers, and they
didn't know how to break it up, so they just
split it, and they remained close. And anyways,
today, they still have ownership of that. And
these two cottages we stayed at, one of them
was an old lady, probably in her late 70s. mid
eighties, older lady, not old. And she told us,
Oh yeah, this was her mom's house. Her mom passed
away and she lives right over there. She pointed
at the next house next door. And so if you need
anything, give her a call. And then the other
cottage we stayed at, she told us another lady
in her seventies. Yeah, we live in that house
right there. I was born in that house. Oh my
gosh. And it's, this is all their property. They've
had it for generations. And, and, um, you know,
we went to a church where, multiple family members
are buried and they all got married and baptized
there. And it's like a place in family history.
It's so interesting to me compared to, you know,
just not knowing that story makes, makes me kind
of sad. So it's fun to be a part of it, even
if I don't remember the details. Yeah. So I don't
know. Yeah. And my mom went as funny. She went
with her mom and my sister, Karen, uh, in the
year 2000 or together. Together they went. In
the year 2000, they met Monica and reconnected
with some family. And then on this trip, we met
Monica's daughter, who's 20 -ish, 25 maybe. We
just said hi. She didn't spend the day with us.
She was busy. But if I go back in 25 years with
family, then hopefully she'll answer and we can
say hi. But it's this connection that otherwise
wouldn't exist. My grandma made the trip before.
In the 80s. And she was the one who did all the
research and connected with family members back
then. Which would be a lot harder at that time.
I don't know. On paper, if I read someone was
doing that, I'd be like, okay, kind of silly.
But it was fun for me. It was very meaningful.
I think it is. A lot of fun. Got off track a
little bit, guys. Talked to Sweden and my family
more. But if you came along for the ride, I really
appreciate it. Yeah, we love that you're here.
We love that we're getting more reviews and that
everyone's sticking around and checking out our
podcast. We appreciate that. We're just doing
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You can pay for likes or shares or follows. That's
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that's great. Who cares? We're not even doing
this for anything. When we first started, we
were like, oh, let's make advertisements. We'll
make like $10 per episode just for fun. And I
think that was good at the beginning to feel
motivated, but now we're motivated by our own
content in a way that I don't require people
to be commenting and listening to want to do
another episode. I just want to do it. So like,
thank you everybody and all of our listeners
for being here. And I don't feel the pressure
to have more. I feel like this is, this is why
we do it. Yeah. I mean, there's a dream down.
Not down the line, but I mean like down a path
where, you know, we would be traveling and there'd
be business expenses because we're going to see
lighthouses. We'd be well connected to the community.
We know a lot of people now, but in the lighthouse
community, we'd know people, we'd keep up with
them. Um, we would be making enough money where
this could be a halftime or, or maybe more than
halftime job for you. But like, you know, there's
merch and then there's advertisements and there's,
it would be cool. But, For now and for what we're
doing with our lives, we're about to get married.
There's lots of things moving right now. I think
this is super fun. And if no one ever listens
to these, we'll have them. And who cares? It's
entertaining. It's a good time for us to spend
together. Anyway, so you folks who are listening,
we get to learn. And when people say, what do
you like? I was filling out a form for our engagement
photos. And they're like, what do you and your
fiance like to do together? And I'm like, we
have a podcast talking about lighthouses. That's
right. That's always fun. And here we are. Episode
81. We're absolutely crushing it. Absolutely.
So please check out our Instagram. Please check
out us on Spotify, Apple Music, anywhere you
podcast. Share it with somebody if you want to.
Yeah. We're on YouTube as well. We've got our
website at thelighthouselowdown .com. It was
just renewed. Our domain was just renewed. So
we're around for another year for certain. And
I keep playing with the idea of swag. I'm sorry.
I keep teasing it with everybody. But hats or
shirts or something. We will do something. When
we have more time, we'll do it. Like right now,
we're in the throes of wedding planning and moving.
And then shortly after that, we'll be moving
again. So if anyone wants something, we'll work
on it. Let us know. But yeah, thank you so much
for listening. And we'll see you next time on
the Lighthouse Lowdown.