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Hey, my fellow heavy breeders. This is Dash Riptide.

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Your music news. Joe Walsh is selling his guitar

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collection. Would be cool if he had a couple

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extra G's. Probably hundreds of extra G's. There

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will be auction off this February. Google the

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site. It's kind of a long web address. And I

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would be going on for a long time trying to explain

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it to you. Guess the Eagles didn't split any

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cash they grabbed with him. Thousands of G's

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for their tickets, and they have their old guitar

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selling as shit. Kind of sad. Just saying. This

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is Gash Riptine, and that was your music news.

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If it's too loud, you probably have ear damage,

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just like me. Are. The music. Creeps. We. Are.

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The music. Creeps. We. Are. Are. Are. Are. I

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had to do the RR. I haven't went to that one

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in a while. Oh, these are just getting worse,

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aren't they? Yes, they are. We love it. Because

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that's what we do. I'll let you know that I have

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to work hard to make those as awful as possible.

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Oh, you do a great job. Thank you. Fantastic.

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And I work hard at my stupid voice that I do.

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Well, let me see. What I got today is somebody's

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internet list of singers who need to retire before

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they die on stage. Uh -huh. Female singers who've

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lost it, even though female singers generally

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hold it together a lot longer than male singers.

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Okay. And overlooked drummers. I like that one.

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I've got some record labels that are no longer

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in existence and who used to be on them. Oh,

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very nice. Bands with tragic touring accidents.

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Very cool. I bet Metallica's on there. Oh, my

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God. They left Metallica off. We'll have to add

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them on. They also left off Leonard Skinner and

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Buddy Holly. Those are the two biggest. I know.

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I think they were trying to go more recent, but

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now there are some there from the same time.

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Insert concert venues, times that opening act

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impressed. And for something a little different,

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I have like nine different former mob hangouts,

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some of them rather famous from the movies. Oh,

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I love that. And what's happened with them and

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where they are now. What a great switch up. Okay,

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cool. I'm always in the mood for a little organized

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crime. All right. I have the real story, supposedly,

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between Ozzy and Dio and their rivalry slash

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dislike, kind of did like, kind of depend on

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the day type of thing. Yeah. Okay. Opening accent

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killed it. Favorite indoor venues. Favorite outdoor

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venues. Yeah. And the favorite season for an

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outdoor amphitheater. Yeah, yeah. I also have

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the Crooked Concert Industry described by AI.

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Oh, my goodness. Oh, awesome. Oh, look at that.

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You guys never fail, I swear. We try to take

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care of our people and take care of us. Well,

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thank you. We really appreciate it. City Market

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Coffee, not only the best coffee around, but

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the food is exceptional. It is. Thank you. All

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right. Yeah, I went for some fries. Does that

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sound good? Yeah. All right. Okay, an onion ring.

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Do you want an onion ring or a fry? Let's see,

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there's like no really good way to put them in

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the middle. Yeah, you can try to do it right

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here. Okay, that'll work. Yeah. All right. Okay.

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There's a lot to talk about this episode. Yeah,

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yep. We may not get through it all, but that's

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okay. All right, that's all right. What do you

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want to start on? How about some singers that

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need to retire before they die on stage? I love

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that. Definitely Rob. Yeah, he's in here. The

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first one I got up is Rod Stewart. Oh, yeah.

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And I believe he said he's touring this year.

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He has no voice left. For all these people that

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I'm going to list here, if you want, go find

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some performance video from 2024, 2025. It's

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pretty heartbreaking. Rod Stewart totters around

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like a broken old man, which he kind of is. He

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is a broken old man, yes. But he looks extremely

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lively compared to the next guy, Frankie Valli.

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I saw footage of him. He's got like ten people

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on stage, backing vocals, musicians, etc. And

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they're all dancing and being energetic and smiling.

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He's standing there like he's paralyzed. And

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his lips barely move. Nothing moves. He just

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stands there and every once in a while part of

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a line comes out of his mouth. And the rest of

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the time, people around him are carrying the

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show. He basically whispers instead of singing.

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Wow. And then every once in a while, a recorded

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backing track will kick in, too. But somebody

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is basically using his corpse to make money.

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I mean, Frankie Valli, for all intents and purposes,

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is already dead. He just hasn't quit moving yet.

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So they're doing a Weekend at Bernie's kind of

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thing and dragging this poor guy out on stage.

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I know. It's really ridiculous and heartbreaking,

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honestly. Next up, Bob Dylan. Now, he never had

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a good voice. It was always about the passion

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and the songwriting. But he's completely a mumble

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singer now. He just mumbles. He can't stay focused.

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Even all of his big famous songs from the past,

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they've all had to be reworked to the point where

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they're unrecognizable, or he simply can't do

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them. Yeah, yep. It's just sad. Yeah, it is sad.

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Too bad. All right, Willie Nelson. I haven't

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heard him in a while, but I can believe it. The

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footage I saw, he... Absolutely cannot sing anymore.

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Nothing that comes out of his mouth is singing.

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Wow. It's talking. He talks through them in a

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rush. It's like, instead of saying, I got Georgia

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on my mind, he's like, I got Georgia on my mind.

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He's just, because he's got like maybe half a

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lung worth of air. So he can say half a sentence

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at a time, and he's got to get the words out

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in a hurry. Dude has smoked a lot of weed. He

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barely even plays his guitar anymore, which was

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a big part of his stage show. That's too bad.

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And fans in the comment sections from his concerts

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and from watching the videos, they say they are

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genuinely afraid that he's going to pass out

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at any moment. He just looks like he's on the

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verge of collapse. That is sad, Dan. David Coverdale.

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Now, he has retired, but he waited too long.

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He has no voice left. It's basically unrecognizable.

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I honestly think that's why he went ahead and

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retired. Probably a lot of his people around

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him were like, hey, you know, maybe you ought

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to... Or he watched his own performances. Yeah,

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there's no energy at all. He's not done. He knows.

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And his plastic surgery went bad. He looks like

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a mannequin. He doesn't even look like David

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Coverdale anymore. He looks like some plastic

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mannequin in a storefront window. I would agree.

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Okay. Neil Young. Believe it or not, his voice

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is actually getting worse. You didn't think it

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could get worse. It's actually getting worse.

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I'd like to see a comparison of what they call

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good into bad. But the telling point here is

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he physically cannot do it anymore, and he's

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canceling more shows than he's doing. He'll do

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a show, maybe two. And it'll wear him out so

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much he has to cancel the next four or five.

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And you know those people aren't getting refunds.

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They're getting credit towards another concert.

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Just like the rip -off industry does. Which I

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have a problem with. If they gave you money back,

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so be it. But they don't. Next up, this is sad.

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Paul Simon. That is sad. Yeah. His voice, he's

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always had kind of a soft, mellow, easy voice.

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But now it's really weak, and it's pitchy like

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crazy. He cannot hold a note anymore. He just

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can't. Too bad. Yeah. He's also canceling shows

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for health reasons. He stripped down the show

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and the songs to do a low -energy, low -speed

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version of a live act. I mean, all the songs

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are about 25 % to 30 % slower. And all of the

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higher parts... He doesn't do what the bad king

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signalers do. Yeah. Yeah. I got a question real

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quick. Yeah. Okay. Do you think that these people

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holding on too long, do you think it's an ego

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thing and not wanting to let it go, or do you

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think it's a money thing? I think it's an ego

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thing. I really do, because most of these people

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do not need money. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to see

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it as a money thing. Yeah, because they're out

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there embarrassing themselves so much, like David

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Lee Roth. Yeah, and you can't think they're making

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much money. on these tours. It looks like an

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ego thing. Neil Diamond. Now, he's got an excuse.

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He's got Parkinson's. But his voice is really

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weak. He's really low energy. He really needs

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to give it up. James Taylor. His voice is thin

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and shaky and it's almost a whisper. And he does

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not put any emotion or feeling into the songs

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anymore. I've got a question. Is all of this

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disguised? Do they do like backing vocals? A

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lot of it's disguised, but a lot of it you can

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tell. I mean, they try to cover it with extra

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loud backing vocals by having the lead singer

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not hold a note for more than about half a second.

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We've got a ton of them. Yeah, thank you. We

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have to keep our energy level up. Yes, we do.

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Even the birds got one. Yeah. But James Taylor

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just kind of looks like a bad cover band now.

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Are you using this at all? No. Okay. Here's one

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that we would be happy to see give it up. Roger

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Waters. Oh, God, yeah. That idiot. He has a weak,

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warbling voice. He looks like somebody doing

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a Roger Waters impersonation when he's on stage.

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He's a parody of himself, honestly. Yeah, and

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I've watched him sing parts of a few different

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songs. He does these cheesy little hip wiggles

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and this little smirk. He's got a smarmy Las

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Vegas -style delivery. And all of his songs have

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been reworked and dumbed down to be something

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that he's capable of playing. So when you go

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see Roger Waters, you're not going to hear what

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you were used to hearing. It's just the weak

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version he's capable of. And he looks like somebody's

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creepy great uncle who wants to fondle your little

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girl. Allegedly. He does look like that, allegedly.

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And also, his relentless, relentless trying to

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get on his high horse and tell you what you need

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to do and what America needs to do. The last

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time I saw a foreign celebrity... tried to stick

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their nose in that much was either kind of a

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toss -up between Bono and Bob Geldof. Bob Geldof

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was horrible, too. Bob Geldof was, well, at least

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Bob Geldof didn't hide the fact that he hated

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America. He openly said, I hate America. America's

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awful, America's corrupt, and America needs to

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pay a bunch of money to the rest of the world.

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But Bono pretended to like America while running

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it down and demanding America pay for everything.

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When political ideology gets all tangled up with

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pop culture, it's either a tool of the state

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or a tool of the revolution. Yes. It really can't

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be anything else. No, that's pretty much it right

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there. And I don't want politics in my music.

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No, I don't either. I never have. Shut up and

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sing is one of the best statements I've ever

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heard. Yeah. Now I've got a similar list of female

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singers. Up first we have Madonna. No sex appeal

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left. No vocal control. Can't stay on key. She

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talks instead of singing. She didn't even try

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to sing. She just talks. Yep. And there's heavy

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usage of backing tracks. Yep. The clip I saw,

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she talked her way through a few lines and then

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a recording of herself came on and she forgot

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to even move her lips in time with it. I believe

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that. Yeah. I completely believe that. Now, this

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one hurts, too. Ann Wilson of Heart. Oh. That

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does hurt. Yeah. I watched her trying to sing

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the song, What About Love? And she was doing

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the chorus. What about love? Don't you want some

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love? Anyway, she could not hit that note. That's

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not that complicated of a note. Yeah. I mean,

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she's sitting down on stage because she can't

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stand. And she had her face all screwed up like

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she was trying to pass a bowling ball out of

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her rectum. And straining and pushing as hard

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as she could to hit that note. It just barely

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got there. I mean, she just barely got to the

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note, and it sounded ugly. Oh, my God. That's

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too bad. Yeah. But, of course, the fans and the

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auditors go, Oh, but it's Ann Wilson. We have

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to love her. No, you don't. You get to make up

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your mind based on what you see right now. They

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cheer David Lee Ross still. Yeah, yeah. It tells

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you how fake the fan is. The harmonies with her

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sister Nancy used to be a big part of their sound.

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They're just not there anymore. Nancy can still

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sing and can hold up her end. Just not at all.

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Not too bad. Yeah. Cher. She has a lot of backing

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tracks, so basically it's karaoke. A lot of the

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times the backing vocals take over. She can't

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hold notes longer than about a half a second.

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You know, like the song Do You Believe in the

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Something of Love? Yeah. It comes out of... Just

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like that. Just a little tiny bit of each syllable.

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Like David Lee Roth is. Yeah. And it's like,

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doesn't even sound human. Yeah. Yeah. And really,

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is that really good enough? No, it is not. The

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problem is, is people buy it. I know. Groups

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buy it. That's the problem. Now, I could go see

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a band like, let's say Guns N' Roses, right?

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Yeah. Because it's not all on Axl. Yeah. And

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he still does a reasonably good job. Not as good

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as he used to, of course, but okay. That still

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can't count because he's let himself go and it's

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shown. But there's a lot of bands like that that

00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.980
you can go see still because the whole show isn't

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about them. But on one like Heart or someone

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like that, it's really hard to go watch a band

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that relied so much on harmonies and the way

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that a person sang. And a number of these on

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the list are solo artists where they have to

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carry the show. They're supposed to carry the

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show. A blast from the past, Joni Mitchell. She's

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still out there doing her thing. I had no idea.

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The band is there playing, but Joni is sitting

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in a comfy old grandma chair. She doesn't make

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any bones about it. She just comes out and sits

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in the chair on stage and sings from her chair.

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For all the world, she looks like you're watching

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a poor, old, confused woman mumbling to herself

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in a nursing home. That's what she looks like.

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That's horrible. And everyone around her has

00:17:01.649 --> 00:17:04.930
these fake plastic smiles glued onto their faces.

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And they're like, oh, she's so lovely. Yes. Oh,

00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:12.529
look at all that beauty. Yeah, she's just almost

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not even there. It's crazy. That's horrible.

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Sad. Stevie Nicks is really losing it. Vocally,

00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:25.079
she's about half there, half gone. But all the

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physical moves she used to do, the swaying and

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the dancing and the twirls and stuff, she totters

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around out of balance. And I was genuinely worried

00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:36.839
she was going to fall down. Wow. She's still

00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.240
trying to do it, but she just can't. She starts

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to sway, you know, trying to sway and dance,

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and she stumbles and has to catch herself. It's

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sad. They've lowered the key. on most of her

00:17:48.470 --> 00:17:50.509
songs, because she can't hit the high notes anymore.

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The songs are, again, slowed down by about a

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third, so she has time to catch her breath. Wow.

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And the backing vocals take over. There's plenty

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of times where she'll just step away from the

00:18:04.769 --> 00:18:06.829
mic, and the backing vocals just take over the

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lead part and sing for her until she can catch

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her breath and come back to the mic. Yeah, no,

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I don't like that at all. That's just sad. Yep,

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horrible. Sheryl Crow is about the same thing.

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No vocal energy. Remember she used to have a

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strong, snarky attitude in her voice? No. There's

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just nothing there anymore. It's weak and it's

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flat. It doesn't even sound like her. It sounds

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like she's singing to herself and not really

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trying very hard. Believable. And all the defiance

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and the passion is just gone. She has very slow

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and low energy shows. That's a common thing is

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they're all very low energy and slow down shows.

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Excuse me. Not worth the money to me. Debbie

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Harry is also out there. I didn't realize Blondie

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was still playing. Now, they've lost their drummer.

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Is she Deborah Harry now, or is she Blondie still?

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They seem to say that she's touring as Blondie,

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but the guitar player's gone and the drummer's

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gone, so it's not really Blondie anymore. Deborah

00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:12.839
Harry featuring Blondie. Blondie featuring Deborah.

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That kind of thing. But there's no passion. The

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vocals are thin. Again, they slowed everything

00:19:18.210 --> 00:19:21.529
down. Her energy is managed. Like, they'll do

00:19:21.529 --> 00:19:23.829
one up -tempo song, and then they'll do a couple

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slow ones. And then she's ready to do one up

00:19:26.349 --> 00:19:30.089
-tempo song again. It's just bad. She's very

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pitchy. She cannot stay on the same note. Yep.

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And then I think the one that actually was the

00:19:36.869 --> 00:19:41.049
worst of all is Joan Jett. It was really awful.

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Oh, that's too bad because she was so good. Very

00:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.190
thin, weak voice. She can't sing or snarl or

00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:52.109
rasp or anything like that anymore. When it comes

00:19:52.109 --> 00:19:54.529
to the chorus of, like, I Love Rock and Roll,

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she wasn't singing. She was just shouting in

00:19:56.890 --> 00:19:58.950
a hoarse voice and not even trying to hit a note.

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That's too bad. Was everybody singing with her?

00:20:02.650 --> 00:20:06.230
Yeah. And she was just rushing through the words

00:20:06.230 --> 00:20:08.920
because, again, she can't hold more than... Half

00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.420
a lung full of air in herself to say the words.

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Kind of like Big Steel does. Yeah. It misses

00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:19.180
every other word. While she's singing, she stops

00:20:19.180 --> 00:20:21.859
pretty much halfway through every line. She never

00:20:21.859 --> 00:20:24.480
finishes a vocal line. She just runs out of energy

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and air and just stops. Yep. And it just doesn't

00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.529
get sung. Visually, she looks like she's... can't

00:20:33.529 --> 00:20:36.609
stand to be there. She's unhappy, upset, and

00:20:36.609 --> 00:20:38.390
just putting in her time until it's time to get

00:20:38.390 --> 00:20:40.950
off the stage and go cash her check. She looks

00:20:40.950 --> 00:20:43.509
like she's phoning it in for the money, which

00:20:43.509 --> 00:20:45.890
is really sad, because that's not what she used

00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:51.329
to be about. That is. Those are yours. Go ahead.

00:20:51.490 --> 00:20:56.210
I think I'm done. So, you know, go look at the

00:20:56.210 --> 00:21:00.130
video of a lot of these people, and you'll see

00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:06.390
what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. There's

00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:08.109
some other ones that have left. Is that the list

00:21:08.109 --> 00:21:10.509
right there? That was my list. Okay, Dave Lee

00:21:10.509 --> 00:21:12.630
Roth was left off of there. Yeah. But we'll talk

00:21:12.630 --> 00:21:16.230
about him. Yeah. Also, probably Steven Tyler.

00:21:16.650 --> 00:21:18.569
Yeah. Even though he's not really, I don't think

00:21:18.569 --> 00:21:22.549
they're touring, though. Let's see. I heard that

00:21:22.549 --> 00:21:24.690
Dave Mustaine is getting like that, too. Alice

00:21:24.690 --> 00:21:27.910
Cooper. Yeah. Is another one that can't really

00:21:27.910 --> 00:21:30.230
do it anymore. Yeah, I'd say Alice needs to hang

00:21:30.230 --> 00:21:36.430
it up. His creativity for the stage show, if

00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:38.589
there's any left, is not being used. Because

00:21:38.589 --> 00:21:40.650
he's doing the exact same show he's done for

00:21:40.650 --> 00:21:43.769
the last five or six years. Which is great, but

00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:46.650
after you've seen it like ten times like we have,

00:21:46.710 --> 00:21:48.890
it's like, okay. Yeah, I've been going to see

00:21:48.890 --> 00:21:53.029
Alice Cooper play live since my 20s. Yeah. And

00:21:53.029 --> 00:21:57.069
I'm in my 60s now. And he stopped doing new,

00:21:57.109 --> 00:22:00.579
original, and different shows. Pretty much after

00:22:00.579 --> 00:22:03.339
Wayne's World came out. Yeah, that sounds about

00:22:03.339 --> 00:22:06.700
right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still enjoyed them.

00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:09.900
Yeah. But I could have told you what was happening

00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:12.480
next like you could. Okay. So now he goes to

00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.930
the guillotine. And now he goes into I Love the

00:22:14.930 --> 00:22:17.069
Dead, and, you know, oh, here comes a mannequin,

00:22:17.170 --> 00:22:19.710
you know. And here comes a big song medley while

00:22:19.710 --> 00:22:22.650
Alice goes offstage to do whatever. Yep. When

00:22:22.650 --> 00:22:24.910
I would rather have them do the whole song of

00:22:24.910 --> 00:22:27.049
each of those. I know. With him singing it. The

00:22:27.049 --> 00:22:29.130
songs that I really want to hear is a medley,

00:22:29.130 --> 00:22:31.390
and it's like, come on. Mm -hmm. Yeah, I agree.

00:22:32.970 --> 00:22:35.730
Yeah. It's a good way to condense a concert,

00:22:35.769 --> 00:22:37.630
too, to go, oh, they played this many songs.

00:22:38.049 --> 00:22:40.750
No, they didn't. No, they didn't. Yeah, so, anyhow.

00:22:41.809 --> 00:22:44.170
All right, you want to hear about the rivalry

00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:48.410
between Ozzy and Dio? Definitely. Okay. Well,

00:22:48.529 --> 00:22:50.930
it's been debated, you know, because you have

00:22:50.930 --> 00:22:52.849
people like Vinny Appesee that came out and said,

00:22:52.990 --> 00:22:55.849
or is it Vinny? Yeah, Vinny Appesee came out

00:22:55.849 --> 00:22:59.150
and he said there wasn't a rivalry there. It

00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:01.970
was all fabricated. But no. Yeah, there was.

00:23:02.509 --> 00:23:07.349
Yeah. A lot of it was true. Yeah. But they may

00:23:07.349 --> 00:23:09.170
have gotten, they did get to like each other

00:23:09.170 --> 00:23:13.259
later. Ozzy did so well. Dio left Sabbath and

00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:15.220
got in a big fight with him, so they could be

00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:17.480
consoling partners about what big dicks they

00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.039
are. And from what I understand, that did happen

00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:24.019
for briefly, too. And then Dio went back to Sabbath,

00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:25.619
and they're just kind of like not really talking

00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:29.180
to you, that type of thing. Okay, so Ozzy was

00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:31.400
deeply hurt and bitter about being fired from

00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.240
Black Sabbath, which created natural tension

00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.539
when Dio took over, leading to years of public,

00:23:37.579 --> 00:23:41.410
often petty, feuds, which is true. Because, and

00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:43.829
I go by this stuff being true by interviews that

00:23:43.829 --> 00:23:46.509
I've saw of them saying one thing or another.

00:23:46.690 --> 00:23:48.730
And then they come back and go, oh, we never

00:23:48.730 --> 00:23:50.609
did have a fight. And it's like, wait a minute.

00:23:50.690 --> 00:23:53.369
I just heard you calling him the worst person

00:23:53.369 --> 00:23:56.049
on earth or that guy's a clown or whatever. Okay.

00:23:56.049 --> 00:23:59.950
So some of the direct insults were Dio famously

00:23:59.950 --> 00:24:03.029
dismissed Ozzy's musicality, calling him a clown.

00:24:03.490 --> 00:24:06.470
And in the 1980s interview labeled him stupid

00:24:06.470 --> 00:24:10.799
and devoid of intelligence. Wow. I know. And

00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.460
I looked that up. Yeah, there is video. It isn't

00:24:13.460 --> 00:24:15.859
that one in particular, but it's one very close

00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:18.819
to where he was saying it in a different way.

00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:23.380
All right, the dwarf incident. Dio heavily resented

00:24:23.380 --> 00:24:25.259
the fact that Ozzy used a personal assistant

00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:31.019
with dwarfism and named him Ronnie. That's really

00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:34.740
rude. That's really rude. And he was on tour

00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:37.079
with Ozzy mocking Dio by having an assistant

00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:44.599
execute him. the dwarf on stage. What's also

00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.140
wrong about that is Ozzy hired him specifically

00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:50.359
because of his dwarfism. Yeah, to mock Ronnie

00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.700
James. It's like you didn't think of him as a

00:24:52.700 --> 00:24:55.039
human being, you thought of him as a prop. Tell

00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:56.619
me this, you think that was Sharon or you think

00:24:56.619 --> 00:25:02.619
that was Ozzy? Wow, good question. I would say

00:25:02.619 --> 00:25:05.180
probably Sharon. I would say Sue. I would say

00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:07.200
two. She's probably like, hey Ozzy, do this.

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.759
Okay, that sounds good. I'm going to fuck with

00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:15.980
him really good. And then, very famously, everyone

00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:18.880
knows about this, or I assume they do, Dio refused

00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.680
to open, with his version of Black Sabbath, open

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.119
for Ozzy's solo show, which was in OzFest, and

00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.980
Zappos was supposed to open for him on the last

00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:33.119
one, viewing it as disrespectful to his status,

00:25:33.140 --> 00:25:37.019
which intensified the feud. Rob Halford had to

00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.240
step in and did a very good job, and it's too

00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.059
bad they couldn't have done an album or something

00:25:41.059 --> 00:25:44.240
or more shows with him because he was that good.

00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:46.480
But then again, Rob Halford had his own career.

00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.700
True. So there's contradictory accounts. While

00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:53.339
the public feud was intense, drummer Vinny Appesee,

00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:55.579
who played with both of them, has stated they

00:25:55.579 --> 00:25:57.720
actually really liked each other away from the

00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.000
camera, suggesting the conflict was largely fueled

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.039
by management and media. No, I'm sorry. No, no.

00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.440
There was a conflict there, and they did say

00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.480
things about each other. Maybe it ended differently,

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.299
but I guarantee that stuff was said. I saw it

00:26:11.299 --> 00:26:13.900
with my own eyes. So, no, there was a feud there.

00:26:14.059 --> 00:26:17.559
When Andy Kaufman had that public feud with that

00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.779
wrestler, and everyone bought in and believed

00:26:20.779 --> 00:26:23.759
it. Oh, yeah, that was funny. And it turned out

00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.599
it was just a gag. They were running together,

00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.240
and they actually liked each other, and it was

00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.039
all fun. Uh -huh. That gave... pretty much everyone

00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.200
an excuse to pretend they were doing the same

00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:35.200
thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, we really like each other.

00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.279
Yeah, this is just for the cameras. When it really

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.700
isn't. But it's a way to make yourself look like

00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:44.279
a nice guy or a nice gal. Yeah. By planting some

00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.480
doubt in people's minds. Oh, see what Andy Kaufman

00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.680
did? I'm just doing that. No, actually, you're

00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.099
a dick. You really are angry and mean and spiteful.

00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:55.720
But it's an excuse people can use now. That's

00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.160
a good analogy. It is. That pretty much describes

00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:02.420
it all right there. So that's all I had of that.

00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:06.119
When Ozzy was fired from Black Sabbath, do you

00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:09.140
think that saved his life? Yes. I think so too.

00:27:09.259 --> 00:27:15.099
And I think that they knew that. They knew that

00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:17.160
the band could not exist. And they said this

00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.539
too in a different way. It could not have existed

00:27:20.539 --> 00:27:23.220
in its present state. And that's not just Ozzy.

00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:26.019
Ozzy was the worst one. He was the most shining

00:27:26.019 --> 00:27:29.200
example of excessive behavior. And the other

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.559
ones with cocaine and stuff wasn't that far behind

00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.940
him, but he was the one. There's a lot of hard

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:36.220
feelings. I read up on this, and even Ozzy says

00:27:36.220 --> 00:27:38.400
it in a couple of books. They were really mad

00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.319
because he pulled out of a concert in Rio de

00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.700
Janeiro and cost them a lot of money because

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:45.819
he was fighting with Sabbath. They're going after

00:27:45.819 --> 00:27:48.599
his addictions. And he's like, fuck you guys.

00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.099
You guys are all stone fucked up too. Because

00:27:52.099 --> 00:27:54.160
why are you guys coming after me? Natural defensive

00:27:54.160 --> 00:28:00.740
for an addict. So that was the first one. So

00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:04.019
later on, Iomi and Dio started talking to each

00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:08.000
other. Dio quit Rainbow. And they wanted him

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.980
to practice. This is the story that I read from

00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:14.180
virtually all of them. They wanted Dio to practice

00:28:14.180 --> 00:28:15.839
with them because they couldn't get Ozzy to.

00:28:16.520 --> 00:28:19.619
They started hearing how well it was going. And

00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:22.380
Iommi started just having them come in and say,

00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.299
let's do some songs. And then Dio started helping

00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:26.859
them write songs. One of them was one of the

00:28:26.859 --> 00:28:28.660
best songs he ever recorded, Children of the

00:28:28.660 --> 00:28:31.680
Sea. And that was the first song he wrote with

00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:32.839
them. And they're all kind of like looking at

00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.200
each other, raising their eyebrows, going, you

00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.980
know, we really like this new direction. And

00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:40.740
Dio doesn't really party that much. Much easier

00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:42.839
to work with. Yeah, much easier to work with

00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.490
at the time, yeah. But then later on, it wasn't

00:28:47.490 --> 00:28:51.109
so easy to work with. But while that was music,

00:28:51.329 --> 00:28:53.950
what can you say about music? Music is exactly

00:28:53.950 --> 00:28:56.809
that. The reason people fight over it is because

00:28:56.809 --> 00:29:05.549
they're passionate for it. Let's see. I remember

00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:08.609
from my own personal experience, there was a

00:29:08.609 --> 00:29:11.289
band I was in, and the lead singer was having

00:29:11.289 --> 00:29:14.670
some... scheduling conflicts that he really needed

00:29:14.670 --> 00:29:18.049
to take care of. He couldn't blow them off to

00:29:18.049 --> 00:29:21.269
go play the gig. So the guitar player who was

00:29:21.269 --> 00:29:25.369
doing the bulk of the bookings for us, he found

00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:30.430
a replacement singer that could fill in. And

00:29:30.430 --> 00:29:32.450
the guy was good. He had good stage presence.

00:29:32.529 --> 00:29:35.430
He learned the songs in a hurry. He was easy

00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:39.869
to get along with, etc. And the singer was okay

00:29:39.869 --> 00:29:42.349
with us using the substitute guy, but he didn't

00:29:42.349 --> 00:29:45.289
want us billing under our regular name. We were

00:29:45.289 --> 00:29:47.950
performing under the name Weatherhead. And he

00:29:47.950 --> 00:29:49.890
said, you can't call yourselves Weatherhead because

00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:53.750
I'm not there. And the guitar player was like,

00:29:53.829 --> 00:29:55.829
yes, we can, because we're trying to build a

00:29:55.829 --> 00:29:57.890
name and reputation for ourselves, so we need

00:29:57.890 --> 00:30:00.910
to keep using this name. And I said, well, how

00:30:00.910 --> 00:30:03.250
about calling us Weatherhead with special guest

00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:06.130
and then the new singer's name? Did he go for

00:30:06.130 --> 00:30:08.579
that? No. He said, nope, I don't want you performing

00:30:08.579 --> 00:30:11.500
on any Weatherhead at all. Did he own the name?

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.960
No. All of us collected it. Yeah, seriously.

00:30:15.259 --> 00:30:17.740
But the implication was he was going to quit

00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:20.460
if we didn't do it his way. Oh, so yeah. So eventually

00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:25.220
we all gave in, at least to his face. And then

00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:26.980
when we went to the other place, we still called

00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:29.099
ourselves Weatherhead. And he had no idea, did

00:30:29.099 --> 00:30:34.559
he? No, we just lied to him. Well, if he listens,

00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.220
now he knows. Yeah. But, you know, he really

00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:41.180
didn't have lead singer disease all that bad.

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.740
You know, there are a couple ways he seemed to

00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:47.180
feel pretty entitled. But that's natural. I could

00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:49.700
actually see that thought, too. If someone went

00:30:49.700 --> 00:30:52.160
up there and just sucked. you wouldn't that attribute

00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.539
it to your name. Yeah. So I get that, too. As

00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:57.920
pompous as it sounds, I actually think there

00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.700
was reasoning behind it. Yeah, yeah. I thought

00:31:00.700 --> 00:31:02.440
it would have been fair to say Weatherhead with

00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.359
special guest. Yeah, that part is the part that

00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:08.039
I thought, yeah. And then when you come out there

00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.559
and go, we're sorry, we got some scheduling conflicts

00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.000
with our regular lead singer, but we have so

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.099
-and -so who's very good, and we love him, and

00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.259
he's going to fill in for him. That would have

00:31:17.259 --> 00:31:19.559
been fine, but... Okay, whatever. It was his

00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.579
gig. Whatever. Now, ironically, there was a time

00:31:22.579 --> 00:31:25.960
later when I couldn't show up to a gig in Springfield.

00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.039
It was a two -nighter. And I just could not go.

00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.140
So the band hired a replacement drummer. Actually,

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.680
it was a local guy from Springfield. And he did

00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:38.819
an amazing good job. He said the first night,

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.259
you know, he was basically learning, you know,

00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:43.480
not just the songs, but how Weatherhead did the

00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.220
songs. And then the second night, they say he

00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:48.869
nailed everything. He learned it the first night.

00:31:48.970 --> 00:31:50.609
The second night, he played it. It must have

00:31:50.609 --> 00:31:52.650
made you feel real good. Yeah, I started getting

00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.109
a little nervous. But they performed under the

00:31:55.109 --> 00:31:57.069
name Weatherhead, and I had no problem with it.

00:31:57.170 --> 00:32:00.609
They said, you are Weatherhead. And the guitar

00:32:00.609 --> 00:32:02.569
player was like, we don't want to cancel the

00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:04.589
gig. We want to get a replacement drummer. And

00:32:04.589 --> 00:32:06.349
he said, I don't mean to hurt your feelings,

00:32:06.430 --> 00:32:08.609
but the drummer is the easiest person to replace

00:32:08.609 --> 00:32:11.269
in a band. And I said, oh, don't hurt my feelings.

00:32:11.309 --> 00:32:14.859
It's true. A good drummer. Unless you have Nuno

00:32:14.859 --> 00:32:17.539
Bettencourt. Yeah, yeah. A good drummer is difficult

00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:20.240
to replace, but you can get a drummer that's

00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.880
going to get you through the show no problem,

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.160
and no one's going to know the difference. It's

00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.980
been done a lot of times. Oh, yeah. A lot of

00:32:24.980 --> 00:32:26.819
times. Someone out in the audience, we've got

00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:29.400
a drummer here. The Who did that famously. But,

00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.940
yeah, it didn't nerve my feelings because it's

00:32:31.940 --> 00:32:33.819
really tough to replace a singer. It's really

00:32:33.819 --> 00:32:36.799
tough to replace a guitar player. But the rhythm

00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.970
section, bass, drums, and keys. Yeah, that's

00:32:39.970 --> 00:32:41.349
pretty easy to swap in and out. Yeah, it isn't

00:32:41.349 --> 00:32:44.470
so much of a signature. It's an all -together.

00:32:44.690 --> 00:32:47.250
So I get it. Now, the guy didn't do the show

00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:50.950
exactly the way I did. He didn't know exactly

00:32:50.950 --> 00:32:54.069
how to build up the things and the flair here

00:32:54.069 --> 00:32:57.210
and whatever that. But he did a really good job,

00:32:57.289 --> 00:32:59.190
and everyone thought it was very entertaining.

00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:03.230
I think I did a better job most of the time because

00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:08.400
I knew the songs. Hey there, slapmets. It's time

00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.859
for the Creeps Music News. Hey, my little pumpkin

00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:16.579
seeds. This is Johnny Rohypnol with your music

00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:20.519
news. John Karabi, former lead singer of Motley

00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.299
Crue and The Scream, has a new album coming out

00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:27.619
on April 24th called New Day. You can pre -order

00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:29.940
the album online. The effort features guitars

00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:33.380
like Richard Fortis from Guns N' Roses, Paul

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:36.269
Taylor from winger Steve Perry, On keyboards,

00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:39.970
Marty Freckerson, producer of Multi -Instrumentalist,

00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:42.849
and Charlie Starr from Blackberry Smoke on guitar

00:33:42.849 --> 00:33:46.349
solos, alongside Evan Freckerson on drums and

00:33:46.349 --> 00:33:49.410
bass. This should be a pretty good album. Sure

00:33:49.410 --> 00:33:52.750
has a lot of talent to go with it. This is Johnny

00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:55.910
Rohypnol. That was your music news, and remember,

00:33:56.069 --> 00:34:01.980
bar chords are bullshit. The other guys, I knew

00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:05.039
how we did things. We had the interplay. I think

00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.740
that's a fair statement. But it's not like anyone

00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.360
got ripped off by seeing a substitute member.

00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:12.179
No, they're like, okay, this is good. It may

00:34:12.179 --> 00:34:14.699
not be quite as good or what I'm used to, but

00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:18.079
it works. And I did not rub it into the singer.

00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.699
It was like, hey, I don't mind. I just let it

00:34:22.699 --> 00:34:26.300
pass. It's like, eh, I don't care. Sometimes

00:34:26.300 --> 00:34:30.550
it's better not to have an ego. Yeah. All right,

00:34:30.630 --> 00:34:32.230
you got something you want to go into? How about

00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:35.730
Overlook Drummers? I love that. All right. First

00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:40.050
one I got, Phil Rudd of ACDC. Yes. The guy is

00:34:40.050 --> 00:34:43.090
pretty solid. He's very solid. The beat that

00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:47.909
he provides is just, yeah. He doesn't play a

00:34:47.909 --> 00:34:50.530
lot of extra stuff because the song doesn't need

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:53.250
it. He's kind of Bonham -ish. Yeah. Where he

00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:56.949
just did what he needed to do, and his style

00:34:56.949 --> 00:35:01.239
is... everything and that's it i mean you know

00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.880
he's had a he has a certain style and he doesn't

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.320
like uh improvise and come up with all this stuff

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.679
he's just like this is just it it's great yeah

00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.699
he's really good and for the time when he retired

00:35:12.699 --> 00:35:14.679
from live playing and they had a drummer fill

00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.300
in on the tours it just wasn't the same because

00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:19.519
he doesn't have the same energy the reliability

00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:23.840
the punch the replacement drummers they get always

00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.650
do too many fills They tried to get too fancy

00:35:26.650 --> 00:35:29.389
and too fast and too technical. It's like he

00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:31.849
never played anything really fast. No, he was

00:35:31.849 --> 00:35:34.329
like Malcolm was. Yeah. He didn't do anything

00:35:34.329 --> 00:35:36.989
fancy. The drummer for Pink Floyd, Nick Mason.

00:35:37.110 --> 00:35:38.510
Oh, that's a good example. Never played fast

00:35:38.510 --> 00:35:41.329
in his whole life. He just plodded along, and

00:35:41.329 --> 00:35:43.909
it was gorgeous. Yeah. That's kind of what Philadelphia

00:35:43.909 --> 00:35:45.909
is. They have that driving style that just keeps

00:35:45.909 --> 00:35:48.789
going and going but doesn't actually hit an apex

00:35:48.789 --> 00:35:52.050
anywhere. It's just, yeah. Next up, I've got

00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:56.349
Carmine DePeace. He was in the band Vanilla Fudge.

00:35:56.449 --> 00:36:00.909
Very, very underrated, Rod Stewart. Uriah Heath,

00:36:01.030 --> 00:36:04.329
maybe, was he, for a while? In fact, Vanilla

00:36:04.329 --> 00:36:05.809
Fudge should have been a whole lot bigger than

00:36:05.809 --> 00:36:08.050
it was. Oh, it should have been, yeah. It had

00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:11.269
kind of a silly name, but you get used to a silly

00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:13.409
name if your band's cool. Like, Led Zeppelin's

00:36:13.409 --> 00:36:15.389
a pretty silly name when you think about it.

00:36:15.530 --> 00:36:19.369
It really is, yeah. But Carmine DePeace influenced

00:36:19.369 --> 00:36:24.039
Vinnie Paul, Tommy Lee, John Bonham. Ian Pace,

00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:26.340
these are all people who looked up to Carmine

00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:27.760
a piece and said, yeah, I want to be a drummer

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.099
like him. In fact, Carmine got John Bonham his

00:36:31.099 --> 00:36:34.599
Ludwig sponsorship. Oh, really? Because Carmine

00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.179
had a big double bass set with the clear drum

00:36:38.179 --> 00:36:40.760
shells. And John Bonham was like, man, that's

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.860
just the coolest thing ever. How can I get one

00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:45.739
of those? So Carmine introduced him to the liaison

00:36:45.739 --> 00:36:48.320
guy at Ludwig, and they hooked him up with a

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.179
sponsorship deal, and he got a scaled -down version.

00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:53.989
There's always the story that John Bonham wanted

00:36:53.989 --> 00:36:56.070
a double kick set, but the rest of the band wouldn't

00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:59.969
let him because that wasn't blues. So he would

00:36:59.969 --> 00:37:02.289
try to get one, and they'd take it away and hide

00:37:02.289 --> 00:37:04.849
it somewhere. So he just wound up playing with

00:37:04.849 --> 00:37:07.449
a single. But his single kick set was like half

00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:10.110
of Carmine Apice's kit at the time. The reason

00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:13.210
Sabbath got Benny Apice, and I've heard them

00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:15.949
all say this, including Dio and all of them.

00:37:16.329 --> 00:37:18.809
Butler, Geezer Butler, and Tony Ahumi all said

00:37:18.809 --> 00:37:21.869
that they tried to get Carmine a piece. And he

00:37:21.869 --> 00:37:23.969
said, well, he goes, I'm currently playing, I

00:37:23.969 --> 00:37:26.650
think, with Rod Stewart. Yeah. And he said, you

00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:28.269
know, I'm playing with Rod Stewart. I can't.

00:37:28.269 --> 00:37:30.269
You know, I'm already on this tour. He goes,

00:37:30.369 --> 00:37:33.210
but my brother's looking for a gig. Yeah. And

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:35.670
they weren't that familiar with him. But then

00:37:35.670 --> 00:37:36.989
when they heard him, they're like, you know what?

00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:40.530
Yeah. Yeah, we'll take him. Yeah. So he's a good

00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:42.389
drummer. He's a really good drummer himself.

00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:47.780
Up next, Bill Bruford. Oh, yeah. He was in Yes.

00:37:48.019 --> 00:37:49.760
Maybe you've heard the song Roundabout. Yeah.

00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:53.739
That's him. He was really good at playing in

00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:55.860
odd time signatures, not because he understood

00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.860
them, but because he had a phenomenal ability

00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:03.000
to memorize long passages. Yeah. So he didn't

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.340
learn the time signature. He just memorized the

00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.559
passage and memorized the drum part for that.

00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:12.329
He was in King Crimson, a very jazz -influenced

00:38:12.329 --> 00:38:15.510
drummer, and he influenced a lot more people

00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:20.170
than had fans. I mean, it's not like everyone's

00:38:20.170 --> 00:38:21.909
like, oh, Bill Bruford's the greatest drummer,

00:38:22.050 --> 00:38:23.889
but if you ask other drummers, they're like,

00:38:23.969 --> 00:38:30.130
oh yeah, Bill, hell yeah. Yep. Cozy Powell, underrated.

00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:32.710
He was in Black Sabbath, Rainbow, White Snake,

00:38:33.130 --> 00:38:35.610
Emerson Lake and Palmer, which had to be renamed

00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:39.599
Emerson Lake and Powell. Uh -huh. He died in

00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.440
a car crash in 1990. Oh, yeah. So that cut his

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.460
career way short. But if he hadn't died and kept

00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.960
going, I think he still would have hopped from

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.619
band to band, but he would have been one of those

00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:54.880
journeymen who played for everybody and everybody

00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.820
loved and everybody thought was a great drummer.

00:38:57.099 --> 00:38:59.539
He was a great drummer, yeah. He was one of my

00:38:59.539 --> 00:39:03.719
favorites for quite a while. Yeah. Next up is

00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.139
one of my favorites, Tommy Aldridge. Oh, yes.

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.460
I saw him when he played in Pat Travers. He opened

00:39:09.460 --> 00:39:12.559
at some summer jam here in Kansas City. Yeah,

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:15.559
boom, boom, out go the lights. Yeah. Snorting

00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.199
whiskey and drinking cocaine. Great song. Yeah.

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:24.000
He was in Whitesnake. He was in Ozzy. He's still

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.659
playing, and he still plays just about as good

00:39:26.659 --> 00:39:28.920
as he ever did. There's some things, he said,

00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.570
I listened to the recording, and I think, How

00:39:31.570 --> 00:39:33.730
the hell did I do that? I have no idea how I

00:39:33.730 --> 00:39:40.210
did that. The interesting thing about Aldridge

00:39:40.210 --> 00:39:47.150
is he was not the original Blizzard of Oz. He's

00:39:47.150 --> 00:39:50.929
the most notable drummer, Lee Kerslake. Lee Kerslake,

00:39:51.010 --> 00:39:53.010
yeah. He was fired right after the first album,

00:39:53.070 --> 00:39:55.829
and they hired him to do the tour. And then it

00:39:55.829 --> 00:39:58.550
got to where Lee Kerslake didn't exist. It was

00:39:58.550 --> 00:40:00.570
Tommy Aldridge. It's weird how that happened.

00:40:00.690 --> 00:40:04.610
It is. Yeah. When Lee Kerslake drums so phenomenally

00:40:04.610 --> 00:40:07.989
on that Wizard of Oz, and he, to me, is kind

00:40:07.989 --> 00:40:11.530
of criminal. And look, Aldridge is a fantastic

00:40:11.530 --> 00:40:15.969
drummer. Always liked him. But Kerslake being...

00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:18.400
treated like that, I guess, I didn't like. There

00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.679
is a video on YouTube. I don't know what it's

00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.739
called, but it's Lee Kerslake and the original

00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:29.760
bass player, too. And they're doing the tracks

00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.920
for Crazy Train, and it's just bass, drums, and

00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.400
guitar, no vocals. And they're killing it. And

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.300
it's like, how did you listen to that and decide

00:40:40.300 --> 00:40:43.920
to replace both of them? Yeah, that's what I

00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.739
thought. That's what I thought, because Kerslake

00:40:45.739 --> 00:40:48.679
was so good. How do you listen to that and say,

00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.920
nah, thanks for trying? Daisley came back several

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.880
times. Kerslake never did it. Daisley came back

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.360
for several albums after that, too, and he did

00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.579
a phenomenal job. He is such a good songwriter.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.920
It also led to him not being a part of Back to

00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.639
the Beginning, the vinyl concert. And that is

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.699
because he was busy suing them over rights and

00:41:10.699 --> 00:41:14.739
music rights and credits. Yeah. So Jakey Lee

00:41:14.739 --> 00:41:17.639
never did. And he may not have had quite enough

00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:23.440
leg to stand on like Daisley did. Yeah. But you

00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:25.480
talk to anybody that was in the know, they say,

00:41:25.539 --> 00:41:27.940
yeah, Bob Daisley wrote a lot of that stuff.

00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.119
Yeah. Like No More Tears, I think, well, Lemmy

00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.280
wrote quite a bit of it too. Yes, he did. Lemmy

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:37.170
wrote three or four songs from that. And I'm

00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:39.409
actually in the part of Ozzy's very last book,

00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:42.230
Last Rites, where they're talking about that

00:41:42.230 --> 00:41:46.030
right now. Cool. About how Lemmy was such an

00:41:46.030 --> 00:41:49.030
interesting guy. He was a speed reader. Oh, wow.

00:41:49.289 --> 00:41:52.889
Yeah. He read like 10 books a day. Oh. Yeah.

00:41:53.050 --> 00:41:55.409
And he was really knowledgeable about everything.

00:41:55.510 --> 00:41:58.750
He drank Jack all day. Yeah. He went down to

00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:03.150
the rainbow when he wasn't playing. And he sat

00:42:03.150 --> 00:42:06.090
there in his own bench that was his bench. Nobody

00:42:06.090 --> 00:42:08.449
else could sit in it. It had a picture of it,

00:42:08.469 --> 00:42:10.809
and that was his bench. You did not sit in it

00:42:10.809 --> 00:42:14.070
under any reason. Reserved 24 hours a day. Yes.

00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:16.949
And he lived just right across the street in

00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:19.170
an apartment, and he loved it. Very modest apartment.

00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:22.269
Very modest apartment. But Ozzy said this, and

00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:24.690
I agree with it so much in the book. He said

00:42:24.690 --> 00:42:26.809
that the fact that he made more money off the

00:42:26.809 --> 00:42:29.530
publishing of those three or four songs than

00:42:29.530 --> 00:42:32.659
he did in his whole career. is insane because

00:42:32.659 --> 00:42:37.679
that diminishes his Motorhead's footprint. But

00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.920
it shows you how the money's always been in publishing

00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.820
and how the artists are always getting ripped

00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:45.380
off because the record label's trying to get

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:48.079
the publishing rights away from him. Yeah, that's

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.739
true. But, you know, and Ozzy's right because

00:42:50.739 --> 00:42:54.400
he was such a good songwriter. And people may

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.400
not recognize it because of the style of Motorhead.

00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:00.489
Yeah, true. And he was such a good... showman

00:43:00.489 --> 00:43:03.070
and frontman and just a generally great guy from

00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:06.949
everybody loves him yeah um so um it's like you

00:43:06.949 --> 00:43:09.329
know it's a real disservice to motorhead to think

00:43:09.329 --> 00:43:11.889
that he made more money off of those songs than

00:43:11.889 --> 00:43:15.010
he did playing his whole motorhead career yeah

00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:16.929
it's really hard to fathom if you look at all

00:43:16.929 --> 00:43:19.329
the albums and all the tours and everything and

00:43:19.329 --> 00:43:22.329
he done yeah yeah so but like you said the money's

00:43:22.329 --> 00:43:26.630
in publishing it is yeah it really is uh next

00:43:26.630 --> 00:43:29.610
up on the list is simon phillips He played for

00:43:29.610 --> 00:43:32.010
The Who after Keith Moon died. Oh, yeah, yep.

00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:36.030
Played in Toto after Jeff Porcaro died. He played

00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:38.989
for Pete Townsend and Jeff Beck. In fact, he's

00:43:38.989 --> 00:43:45.050
worked on over 1 ,200 albums. 1 ,200? Wow. That's

00:43:45.050 --> 00:43:48.829
crazy. And I remember the first time I saw him,

00:43:48.849 --> 00:43:51.690
he was in Pete Townsend's backup band. And he's

00:43:51.690 --> 00:43:53.670
not really that well -known, if you think about

00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:55.750
it. He's not a household name, which he should

00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:58.650
be. But I remember the first time I saw him,

00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:00.789
I looked at him and thought, he looks like he's

00:44:00.789 --> 00:44:04.429
15. He looks like a little kid up there playing

00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:05.889
drums with Pete Townsend. You know what? You

00:44:05.889 --> 00:44:09.230
saying that? He does, yeah. He looks his age

00:44:09.230 --> 00:44:11.929
now, but back then he looked like a little boy.

00:44:11.969 --> 00:44:14.269
Pretty interesting working for Pete Townsend

00:44:14.269 --> 00:44:16.650
and looking like a little boy. Yeah, there's

00:44:16.650 --> 00:44:21.510
some hints there. Good old, you can say something

00:44:21.510 --> 00:44:25.130
without saying it. I said nothing, did I? No.

00:44:26.329 --> 00:44:28.369
All right, go ahead. All right, next up, Clive

00:44:28.369 --> 00:44:30.449
Burr from the first three Iron Maiden albums.

00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:32.730
Clive Burr, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Paul D

00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:35.630
'Anno stuff. Before Nico showed up and changed

00:44:35.630 --> 00:44:37.630
everything. Yeah, Nico changed everything, and

00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:39.909
then Bruce came aboard, and it's like, ooh, wait

00:44:39.909 --> 00:44:42.329
a minute, we got something here. Before they

00:44:42.329 --> 00:44:44.690
were a heavy metal band. After they were different.

00:44:44.889 --> 00:44:46.849
They were heavy metal, but a different category.

00:44:46.909 --> 00:44:49.309
I don't know what you would call it, but all

00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:55.019
that stuff. But... People really liked the energy

00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:57.880
on those first three albums and how they sounded,

00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:01.079
but people tend to forget Clive Burr and how

00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.519
he was a big part of that. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm

00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.280
a Nico fan myself. Yeah. I like Nico too. I almost

00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.960
got to see him, I think I said, I was on a job

00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:16.059
in Florida in Boca Raton. Mouth of the Rat. Yeah.

00:45:16.099 --> 00:45:17.559
That's what it means, Mouth of the Rat. Mouth

00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.739
of the Rat. Wow. I forgot about that. I live

00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:28.019
in Ratsmouth, Florida. I forgot all about that.

00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:33.260
I actually knew that. Anyhow, I had to fly out

00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:38.199
of Fort Lauderdale, and I had a day that I could

00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.179
do anything, and I had to stay the night in Fort

00:45:40.179 --> 00:45:42.019
Lauderdale and then fly out. I was up in Boca

00:45:42.019 --> 00:45:45.000
working about 20 miles away, maybe, something

00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:48.119
like that. So I'm staying in Fort Lauderdale,

00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.619
and I read where... Cape Coral, Florida is like

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.380
five minutes away from where I was staying. And

00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:57.400
that's where Rock and Roll Ribs was. So I went

00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.179
there, and I can't say that much about the food,

00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.340
but every Saturday I had to leave that Friday.

00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.179
I had to be back in the weekend to go to another

00:46:05.179 --> 00:46:07.519
job, so there's no way out of it. I had to leave

00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.420
Friday. If I could have been there Saturday,

00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:16.139
Nico plays in an Iron Maiden house band on Saturdays,

00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:18.750
and he still does. And he plays until the beer

00:46:18.750 --> 00:46:21.050
runs out. He plays out in their yard. And the

00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:25.349
Iron Maiden house band. Yeah. But I got some

00:46:25.349 --> 00:46:28.230
cool pictures of me next to, like, the signed

00:46:28.230 --> 00:46:33.010
Paul Rogers and the signed Angus Young. And,

00:46:33.030 --> 00:46:35.170
I mean, all this memorabilia that's signed and

00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:36.869
everything. It's really cool. It's a neat place.

00:46:37.070 --> 00:46:43.469
But the food's expensive and fair. But you don't

00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:46.050
go there for the food. That's true. You don't

00:46:46.050 --> 00:46:48.889
go to Hooters for the food. No. Which is actually

00:46:48.889 --> 00:46:51.369
failing. Hooters is failing now. I believe it

00:46:51.369 --> 00:46:54.269
because people have gone past that. People are

00:46:54.269 --> 00:46:55.949
just kind of like, okay, orange shorts, yeah,

00:46:55.989 --> 00:46:57.769
great. Get them out of here. And the people that

00:46:57.769 --> 00:46:59.510
used to go there now have kids, and they don't

00:46:59.510 --> 00:47:03.090
want to bring their kids there. Great wings,

00:47:03.150 --> 00:47:05.650
though. Their wings have always been good. It's

00:47:05.650 --> 00:47:10.659
pretty good. Vinny Appesee. Yes. From Black Sabbath

00:47:10.659 --> 00:47:14.780
and Dio. Mentioned him previously, yes. We know

00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:17.000
him, but not a lot of people know him. No, no.

00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:18.880
If it wasn't for Sabbath, I don't know if anyone

00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.280
would have known him. Honestly. And Dio. Dio

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:26.619
Soho. Barrymore Barlow played for Jethro Tull.

00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:28.880
He could do prog rock. He could do arena rock.

00:47:29.179 --> 00:47:32.980
He could do his little folk stuff. Okay. A lot

00:47:32.980 --> 00:47:35.920
of it was Black Sabbath. Jethro Tull's early

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.860
stuff. Aqualung. Cross -Eyed Mary, Thick as a

00:47:38.860 --> 00:47:41.300
Brick. Oh, good, the good stuff. Teacher, you

00:47:41.300 --> 00:47:44.099
know, all those things. And then he was eventually,

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.980
I think by the time you get into the 80s and

00:47:47.980 --> 00:47:50.599
the album, I think it was called A, they had

00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.420
Mark Craney on drums who has a monster kit and

00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:56.159
just plays and plays and plays. He's an excellent

00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.400
drummer, but he plays a lot. I mean, he fills

00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.920
the song up. So it was a different change from

00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.539
Barrymore Barlow. Oh, okay. But like all the

00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:08.139
classic parts of Aqualung and Locomotive Breath,

00:48:08.260 --> 00:48:12.039
that's Barrymore. Okay. But, yeah, most people

00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.099
don't know. You say Barrymore Barlow, and they're

00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:17.000
like, who? What? No, that's what I just did.

00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:18.860
I'm like, I'm very unfamiliar with him. But,

00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:21.699
yeah, his body at work kind of speaks for itself,

00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.480
don't it? Yeah. And then last on the list, Eric

00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.760
Carr from Kiss. Yes, yes. He could never get

00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.070
out of Peter Criss' shadow. And it's too bad,

00:48:32.090 --> 00:48:34.130
too. They were completely different drummers.

00:48:34.210 --> 00:48:37.630
They were. They weren't even close. Chris is

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:40.150
a jazz drummer. Yes, very much a jazz drummer.

00:48:40.389 --> 00:48:46.070
And I would call Carr a rock and roll drummer.

00:48:46.230 --> 00:48:49.150
Yeah. A hard rock drummer. Yeah, not even blues

00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:50.670
-based rock, just straight -ahead rock. No, just

00:48:50.670 --> 00:48:53.110
straight -ahead rock. And he was very good. If

00:48:53.110 --> 00:48:54.889
you want to know some of his work, listen to

00:48:54.889 --> 00:49:01.800
I Love It Loud. Yeah. And that beat, that beat

00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.820
that he provided with it was just amazing. Made

00:49:04.820 --> 00:49:07.800
the song. You know, it probably didn't help that

00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.099
they had his stage makeup look too similar to

00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:13.639
Peter Criss' stage makeup. Yeah. And he was what,

00:49:13.659 --> 00:49:16.079
the fox? The fox, yeah. Instead of the cat? No.

00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:17.579
They should have had something totally different.

00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:19.500
No, they should have. Make him the giraffe or

00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:22.440
the albatross or the piranha or something. Well,

00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.820
I mean, look at Vinnie Vincent, the only other

00:49:24.820 --> 00:49:27.820
guitarist to wear makeup and kiss. Until, you

00:49:27.820 --> 00:49:31.340
know, later when... When Tommy Thayer was acting

00:49:31.340 --> 00:49:34.800
like Ace Frehley or whatever, his makeup. But

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:41.400
he had an unk on his face. Which is a cross with

00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:47.300
a circle on the top of it. Egyptian. So he didn't

00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:50.480
look anything like Ace at all. In body, composure,

00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:53.409
everything. But Eric Carr... looked like he could

00:49:53.409 --> 00:49:54.889
have been Peter Criss in a little bit different

00:49:54.889 --> 00:49:57.269
makeup is one of the problems. Yeah, and I think

00:49:57.269 --> 00:49:59.269
a lot of people thought it was still Peter Criss.

00:49:59.309 --> 00:50:02.909
I think people did. Yeah. Because there is old

00:50:02.909 --> 00:50:05.650
pictures of Kiss with slightly different makeup.

00:50:05.769 --> 00:50:08.369
Yeah. They improvised over the years and changed

00:50:08.369 --> 00:50:10.409
it. So I think a lot of people are just like,

00:50:10.489 --> 00:50:13.650
oh, okay, he's not, I don't know if he's a cat

00:50:13.650 --> 00:50:17.250
or not. He's got slightly different makeup. Something

00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:21.150
that's really interesting, take a dollar bill.

00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:26.179
and draw Gene Simmons makeup on George Washington's

00:50:26.179 --> 00:50:30.519
face. It fits perfectly. He turns into Gene Simmons

00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.000
if you draw Kiss makeup on him. Did you see someone,

00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.579
a bill that did that? My sister. When Kiss started,

00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:42.320
what came out with Kiss Alive, she started drawing

00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.679
Kiss makeup on all the $1 bills she could find.

00:50:45.099 --> 00:50:49.500
And she drew Ace Frehley. And she drew Paul Stanley,

00:50:49.699 --> 00:50:52.900
but Gene Simmons looked the best. George Washington

00:50:52.900 --> 00:50:56.360
just looks like Gene. You see, Kiss Alive, to

00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.139
me, was what most people were winged on. Yeah.

00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.480
Me was alive, too. And that's the solo off of

00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:05.980
God of Thunder, I believe. I don't know if it

00:51:05.980 --> 00:51:08.460
was Shock Me. It could have been Shock Me. I'm

00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.199
not sure which one. God of Thunder, there's another

00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.119
great solo, too. Yeah, but the Shock Me solo

00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.570
was the one that... Sounds like Eruption. Yeah,

00:51:14.590 --> 00:51:16.869
yeah. Well, the bits of it were put together

00:51:16.869 --> 00:51:19.349
just like the whole song was orchestrated and

00:51:19.349 --> 00:51:24.769
put together, like the solo off of Shock Me.

00:51:24.929 --> 00:51:27.789
Yeah. And there's other ones that copied it.

00:51:27.849 --> 00:51:31.190
Well, I don't know if copied it. Inspired by.

00:51:31.449 --> 00:51:34.710
Inspired by, yes. Inspired by. There's other

00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:36.809
ones, too, that were inspired by it, too, such

00:51:36.809 --> 00:51:39.849
as Jakey Lee, a lot of his solos, especially

00:51:39.849 --> 00:51:42.619
during Bark at the Moon. and some with the ultimate

00:51:42.619 --> 00:51:45.579
sin where he does that segment one and he comes

00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:50.780
out and he goes and then he goes on and goes

00:51:50.780 --> 00:51:54.880
on and goes on yeah um that type of a solo was

00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.380
created by ace i believe Yeah. The segmented

00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.460
one that leads to another, it leads to another

00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:02.780
that comes back. If you invoke the feeling of

00:52:02.780 --> 00:52:04.800
that on your solo, then you're halfway there.

00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:08.039
Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was brilliantly arranged.

00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.300
Yeah, it was. It was, yeah. So, anyhow, go ahead.

00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:18.019
I guess that was it. Oh, okay. I guess that up

00:52:18.019 --> 00:52:21.300
next we've got, what, you want to go into something

00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:22.800
or we got? Yeah, I got something. All right.

00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:25.579
All right, I have opening acts that killed it.

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.039
Ooh, let me get to mine. All right. All right.

00:52:30.260 --> 00:52:34.079
Okay, number one, Metallica opening for Ozzy

00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:38.219
on the Ultimate Center. Listen, nobody protested

00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:41.179
Ozzy coming on. It wasn't one of those. It was

00:52:41.179 --> 00:52:42.780
just like people just sitting there with their

00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:46.280
mouth open going, what the fuck? That would have

00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.400
been an eye -opener. Oh, my God. Cliff Burton

00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.880
was just insane. Man, the face that he was providing.

00:52:52.059 --> 00:52:55.110
No wonder they flattened after him. No one could

00:52:55.110 --> 00:52:57.289
have ever replaced Cliff Burton like that. He

00:52:57.289 --> 00:53:01.690
was just such a dynamic character. James Hetfield

00:53:01.690 --> 00:53:06.489
was angry and young. Lawrence wasn't quite such

00:53:06.489 --> 00:53:10.210
a little femme goofball like he is now. And Kirk

00:53:10.210 --> 00:53:12.070
Hamnett was the new guy, so he was trying to

00:53:12.070 --> 00:53:17.179
impress everybody. So he needs to hide his fucking

00:53:17.179 --> 00:53:19.699
wah -wah pedal and say no more. Every freaking

00:53:19.699 --> 00:53:24.559
solo. He can play instrumentals. He can call

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.800
it Cthulhu. One of the best instrumentals ever.

00:53:26.980 --> 00:53:29.000
It took me a year and a half to realize that

00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.000
it had no fucking lyrics on it. That's how good

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.500
that song is. Okay, so he can write music and

00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:37.360
he can play instrumentals. He doesn't do solos.

00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.760
He relies on that wah -wah pedal to just kind

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.639
of sound okay, and then, all right, okay, wah

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.159
-wah, wah -wah, wah -wah, and then goes on. Because

00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.139
if you take the wah away, it's a pretty basic

00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:47.900
and simple solo he's playing. Very much so, and

00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:49.860
that's his all over and over and over again.

00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.619
Yeah, so it really makes it seem like they hired

00:53:51.619 --> 00:53:54.019
him for his songwriting abilities. I'm sure they

00:53:54.019 --> 00:53:55.920
did. Not necessarily his playing abilities. I

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.320
mean, he's a good player, but... But him with

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.239
Cliff Burton in tandem was just something you'll

00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.840
never, ever, ever get again. And if Cliff Burton

00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.340
went alive, it wouldn't have been like that now.

00:54:05.539 --> 00:54:07.820
I mean, it's just the way it is. You can't keep

00:54:07.820 --> 00:54:10.659
that original hunger and fight like you have,

00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.059
you know, when you're younger and trying to get

00:54:13.059 --> 00:54:15.440
there, scraping, doing everything you can. There's

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.360
something about after making it, you know, it's

00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.300
just kind of like you rest back and you don't

00:54:19.300 --> 00:54:22.659
have that same anger, that same thirst. So it

00:54:22.659 --> 00:54:23.920
wouldn't have been the same if he would have

00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.550
lived. True, because... With Cliff in the band,

00:54:27.789 --> 00:54:31.650
Metallica wouldn't have gone through that angry,

00:54:31.730 --> 00:54:35.329
depressed phase after they lost him. And Hetfield

00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:37.530
and Ulrich wouldn't have taken over control of

00:54:37.530 --> 00:54:39.710
the band. And it would have been Alternica. He

00:54:39.710 --> 00:54:41.289
would have quit. He would have been like, I'm

00:54:41.289 --> 00:54:44.010
not doing this. You guys are insane. He would

00:54:44.010 --> 00:54:47.349
have prevented that duo from taking over. They

00:54:47.349 --> 00:54:49.349
made some really good choices, but they made

00:54:49.349 --> 00:54:51.829
some really stupid choices too. Well, if you

00:54:51.829 --> 00:54:56.610
want to look at it like... Oh, popularity -wise

00:54:56.610 --> 00:54:59.170
and selling -wise, it looks like they did good.

00:54:59.230 --> 00:55:01.889
But people that really know the music and how

00:55:01.889 --> 00:55:05.789
it should have went, no, they blew it. With Cliff

00:55:05.789 --> 00:55:07.610
in the band, they never would have released St.

00:55:07.809 --> 00:55:10.570
Anger. Yeah, no. He would have quit. He would

00:55:10.570 --> 00:55:12.789
have quit before. You would have told him, take

00:55:12.789 --> 00:55:15.550
my name off that piece of crap. I'm out of here.

00:55:15.650 --> 00:55:17.590
Load and reload? Uh -uh. He would have quit.

00:55:17.670 --> 00:55:19.869
He would have been like, hey, I know this guy

00:55:19.869 --> 00:55:27.190
named Jason Newstead. Not. All right. Thank no

00:55:27.190 --> 00:55:29.210
more opening for... Oh, I'm sorry. Go to yours

00:55:29.210 --> 00:55:32.010
now. I'm sorry. My first one was Stevie Ray Vaughan.

00:55:32.590 --> 00:55:35.889
I saw him out at Starlight Theater in Shawnee

00:55:35.889 --> 00:55:40.550
Mission. No, Starlight is... No, I'm sorry. Starlight

00:55:40.550 --> 00:55:43.329
is Swope. Swope Park. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was

00:55:43.329 --> 00:55:45.300
thinking theater in the park. Oh, yeah, that's

00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:46.440
a great one, too. Yeah, that's a good one, too.

00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:48.780
Anyway, I saw him at Starlight. He opened for

00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:53.099
Huey Lewis in the news. And Stevie Ray was just

00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:55.579
starting to get a lot of airplay for his first

00:55:55.579 --> 00:56:01.699
songs like Cold Shot and Pride and Joy. But he

00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:04.500
wasn't opening act yet. But he just destroyed

00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:07.320
Huey Lewis. Oh, I believe that. I mean, the musicianship

00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.420
for those three guys up there was amazing and

00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:14.039
impressive. Then Huey Lewis got up and was slick.

00:56:14.489 --> 00:56:18.329
polished and choreographed and the very soul

00:56:18.329 --> 00:56:22.389
of corporate rock and there was just no comparison

00:56:22.389 --> 00:56:25.190
for me he was built up anyhow he can't really

00:56:25.190 --> 00:56:28.269
sing that well he never yeah and he never wanted

00:56:28.269 --> 00:56:30.809
to lead a big rock and roll band he wanted to

00:56:30.809 --> 00:56:33.110
perform on street corners for change yeah and

00:56:33.110 --> 00:56:35.909
plus the biggest thing that we're failing to

00:56:35.909 --> 00:56:40.579
recognize his penis size oh yeah supposedly Enormous.

00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:43.920
Yeah. Yeah. So right there, I think he won. Forget

00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.420
it. He won. All right. All right. Next one. Faith

00:56:47.420 --> 00:56:50.519
no more. I wanted to see him go against Lyndon

00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.820
B. Johnson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or Milton Berle.

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:57.320
Yeah. Or Frank Sinatra. Or Frank Sinatra. A dick

00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:01.679
off. John DeWatt Holmes. That guy had a baby

00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:05.380
arm, let me tell you. Oh, fuck. All right. And

00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:09.300
whatever you do, do not end up like Ron Jeremy.

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:15.539
Oh, God. The Hedgehog. Yeah, ugly as fucking

00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:22.460
sin in a church pew and in jail. All right. Faith

00:57:22.460 --> 00:57:25.820
No More, opening for Robert Plant. Mike Patton

00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:29.099
is such a talented singer. Oh, he is. You'll

00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:32.199
never know it. He's incredible. If you're curious,

00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.460
go on the Internet or YouTube and look for reaction

00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:38.829
videos to Faith No More songs. or Mr. Bungle

00:57:38.829 --> 00:57:40.389
song, anything with Mike Patton singing. It's

00:57:40.389 --> 00:57:42.710
in there, but you've got to listen to it because

00:57:42.710 --> 00:57:45.429
they have that distinct style, especially Mr.

00:57:45.610 --> 00:57:49.610
Bungle, that you wouldn't necessarily recognize

00:57:49.610 --> 00:57:52.409
good singing, really good singing, but he's a

00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:55.869
top -notch singer. Yeah. Got a great voice. The

00:57:55.869 --> 00:57:58.630
one reaction video I'm thinking of is the woman

00:57:58.630 --> 00:58:02.329
who teaches other people how to sing opera, which

00:58:02.329 --> 00:58:05.289
is all about voice and breath control, and she

00:58:05.289 --> 00:58:07.460
was listening to Mike Patton just... throwing

00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.500
things out, you know, like it wasn't even any

00:58:10.500 --> 00:58:13.300
big deal. And she's like, that's incredibly hard

00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:16.280
to do. And the fact that he made it seem so easy

00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:20.440
means he's just got incredible control. And he

00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.380
just impressed her left, right, and up and down.

00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:25.780
Oh, no, I seen him doing that in concert. It

00:58:25.780 --> 00:58:28.739
was up in St. Joe. For some reason, Robert Plant

00:58:28.739 --> 00:58:32.039
played there but did not play down here. So we

00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.079
all went up there watching me. Probably a conflict

00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.900
with a local promoter. Probably, yeah. Chris

00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:40.880
Fritz didn't like him or something. Allegedly.

00:58:41.420 --> 00:58:45.099
So went up there and watched him. And he was

00:58:45.099 --> 00:58:47.960
actually singing commercials in between songs.

00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.860
But he was doing an operatic. Yeah. It was so

00:58:51.860 --> 00:58:54.380
good. It's really hard to describe. I'm sure

00:58:54.380 --> 00:58:56.079
they're on the internet. You can probably YouTube

00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:01.650
some of that. Very good. All right. My next is

00:59:01.650 --> 00:59:05.769
the Fabulous Poodles, and they opened for Tom

00:59:05.769 --> 00:59:09.469
Petty. Back when it was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,

00:59:09.469 --> 00:59:12.309
and it was at Memorial Stadium in KCK. The Fabulous

00:59:12.309 --> 00:59:15.250
Poodles? They had one hit called Think Pink.

00:59:17.170 --> 00:59:19.250
Not ringing a bell, but go ahead. No, they were

00:59:19.250 --> 00:59:25.630
kind of like alt -pop, kind of frothy, and I

00:59:25.630 --> 00:59:28.289
wasn't really expecting much, but man, their

00:59:28.289 --> 00:59:31.710
songs were good. I mean, their hit, Think Pink,

00:59:31.829 --> 00:59:34.469
was kind of a throwaway. But everything else

00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:37.389
they played was like, wow, these guys have really

00:59:37.389 --> 00:59:39.130
good music. Whether they're writing it or somebody

00:59:39.130 --> 00:59:41.949
else is, they're playing it really well. And

00:59:41.949 --> 00:59:44.050
I was really sad to see them leave the stage.

00:59:44.269 --> 00:59:46.070
I mean, I was there for Tom Petty. It's like,

00:59:46.130 --> 00:59:47.929
I don't care who the poodles are, I want Tom

00:59:47.929 --> 00:59:50.570
Petty. But by the time the Fabulous Poodles were

00:59:50.570 --> 00:59:52.730
done, it was like, I want them to play more.

00:59:52.969 --> 00:59:55.630
I want them to play an encore and play more stuff.

00:59:55.730 --> 01:00:02.710
They're good. Anyway, I like Tom Petty. He was

01:00:02.710 --> 01:00:09.170
good, too. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, Wasp opened

01:00:09.170 --> 01:00:11.989
up for Kiss. Now, this was one where everyone

01:00:11.989 --> 01:00:15.590
wanted to watch Wasp and wasn't that thrilled

01:00:15.590 --> 01:00:17.829
about seeing Kiss. Kiss just took off their makeup.

01:00:18.110 --> 01:00:22.329
Oh, okay. It wasn't the first album. The first

01:00:22.329 --> 01:00:24.929
album they took off their makeup was actually

01:00:24.929 --> 01:00:32.519
Lick It Up. Yeah. Okay, and then this was the

01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:36.360
one with Tears Are Falling. I can't think of.

01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.340
Well, anyhow, it was the next album. It was the

01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.099
second album after they took their makeup up.

01:00:40.139 --> 01:00:42.920
They just got Bruce Kulik in the band. It started

01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.659
with Mark St. John, and he developed an arthritic

01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:48.519
condition. He didn't do any tour with him. He

01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:52.579
just did the album. So, Animal Eyes. Oh, yeah.

01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:56.320
Yeah. So, Animal Eyes was Mark St. John on the

01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.289
record. But then Bruce Kulik toured for him.

01:00:59.369 --> 01:01:03.070
They tried to get Bob Kulik. But Bob Kulik was

01:01:03.070 --> 01:01:06.670
busy with maybe Meatloaf at the time. He couldn't

01:01:06.670 --> 01:01:10.269
do it because of prior commitments. So again,

01:01:10.369 --> 01:01:12.829
he said, hey, you ever thought about my brother?

01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:17.530
Kind of like Vinnie Appesee and Carmine. So they

01:01:17.530 --> 01:01:21.110
went to him and he did a fantastic job. Even

01:01:21.110 --> 01:01:24.590
Ace said that technically Bruce Kulik was the

01:01:24.590 --> 01:01:28.719
best guitarist. kiss ever had wow technically

01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.679
not feeling wise or anything else but technically

01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.960
yeah so and he was probably right but wasps came

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.920
out you know blackie lawless had the um the uh

01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:44.239
skill saw cod peas yeah but the nylon hose with

01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:49.739
the big boots just insane studded leather and

01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:52.480
they they actually this is when in memorial hall

01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:56.329
in kansas city they lit up the wasp big totem

01:01:56.329 --> 01:01:59.590
pole looking thing, and fire. They took a fire

01:01:59.590 --> 01:02:02.130
club, like he did, and lit it on fire inside

01:02:02.130 --> 01:02:04.610
the, you don't see that in venues anymore. No,

01:02:04.610 --> 01:02:07.090
no, no. It lit inside the venue, and it went

01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:10.030
up, and women in torture racks, but the capper

01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:13.130
to me was... Fans getting hit in the face with

01:02:13.130 --> 01:02:15.809
raw meat. Yeah. And loving it. You can't beat

01:02:15.809 --> 01:02:18.769
that, man. It's funny. People get hit in the

01:02:18.769 --> 01:02:20.190
face. I'm like, oh, my God. And they're like,

01:02:20.250 --> 01:02:23.269
yeah, more, more. And then they're throwing it

01:02:23.269 --> 01:02:26.349
back. Chris Holmes getting fucking pelted with

01:02:26.349 --> 01:02:29.289
raw meat. He's like fucking grabbing it and fucking

01:02:29.289 --> 01:02:32.110
tossing it at people as hard as he could. But

01:02:32.110 --> 01:02:35.909
Blackie was just phenomenal. He's like 6 '6".

01:02:35.909 --> 01:02:40.250
He's a tall guy. Yeah. Okay. He had stilts. He

01:02:40.250 --> 01:02:42.289
had these stilts that were built into the side

01:02:42.289 --> 01:02:45.170
of his microphone that lifted him up about three

01:02:45.170 --> 01:02:49.110
foot. So he's leering over the audience. Giant

01:02:49.110 --> 01:02:51.670
figure. Giant figure. And then he's grabbing

01:02:51.670 --> 01:02:54.250
these posters, and he used to be a major league

01:02:54.250 --> 01:02:56.050
pitcher before that, and I'm not sure what his

01:02:56.050 --> 01:02:57.710
name was. You can probably look it up, I'm sure.

01:02:57.909 --> 01:03:00.030
But he goes, hey, you motherfuckers up there.

01:03:00.190 --> 01:03:03.050
And they're all like, I used to be a major league

01:03:03.050 --> 01:03:05.659
pitcher for the Texas Rangers. I can hit you

01:03:05.659 --> 01:03:07.980
right between the fucking eyes. But he goes,

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:09.699
there's only one way that's going to happen.

01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.179
You're going to make me do it. And so people

01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:13.699
up there are going nuts. And he was like just

01:03:13.699 --> 01:03:16.099
nailing the people going crazy. And they're getting

01:03:16.099 --> 01:03:18.500
all these posters. We're down here going, I fucking

01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:20.480
spent the money on the good seats, and you're

01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:22.739
selling the posters up there, you fucking asshole.

01:03:24.099 --> 01:03:28.119
But anyhow, it was one of those ones where everybody

01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.130
was like, more, come on. And they did one song

01:03:31.130 --> 01:03:33.130
and left. They did an encore, but one song and

01:03:33.130 --> 01:03:34.530
left, and that's because of time constraints.

01:03:34.809 --> 01:03:37.969
And I'm pretty sure they cut off some of their

01:03:37.969 --> 01:03:40.170
regular gig to make it look like they did an

01:03:40.170 --> 01:03:42.829
encore to make people happy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:03:42.949 --> 01:03:45.849
So it sucks. Kiss only gave them a certain amount

01:03:45.849 --> 01:03:47.909
of time, and that was it. But that's not unusual.

01:03:48.610 --> 01:03:51.190
But the thing is, is people, and then I read

01:03:51.190 --> 01:03:54.590
other write -ups of it, too, and everybody felt

01:03:54.590 --> 01:03:56.550
the same thing. They're like, we did not get

01:03:56.550 --> 01:03:59.260
enough loss. We did not get enough wasps. Kiss

01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:02.320
was okay. They were good. But people wanted to

01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.340
see wasps. So anyhow, go ahead. They can't feel

01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:08.179
good for Kiss when you're there. Well, that's

01:04:08.179 --> 01:04:10.340
why they was taken off the tour. They made up

01:04:10.340 --> 01:04:12.000
something else, but in the middle they took them

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.820
off the tour. And that's because all the clamoring

01:04:15.820 --> 01:04:17.659
for wasps, and they're tired of sitting there

01:04:17.659 --> 01:04:23.059
on stage, going, fuck you! Well, my next one

01:04:23.059 --> 01:04:26.570
also happened to be at Memorial Hall. It was

01:04:26.570 --> 01:04:29.449
Marilyn Manson opening for Nine Inch Nails. Oh,

01:04:29.590 --> 01:04:32.989
yeah. I missed that one, but yeah. Now, Marilyn

01:04:32.989 --> 01:04:35.590
Manson wasn't better than Nine Inch Nails, but

01:04:35.590 --> 01:04:37.250
he was a lot better than I thought he would be.

01:04:37.309 --> 01:04:39.530
Because I'd already had his first album, Portrait

01:04:39.530 --> 01:04:42.570
of an American Family. He was so, so... Lunchbox

01:04:42.570 --> 01:04:45.789
and... Yeah. I forget what else is on there.

01:04:45.849 --> 01:04:51.050
Cape and Sodomy. Yeah. But anyway, so Marilyn

01:04:51.050 --> 01:04:53.309
came out and they started doing their show. And

01:04:53.309 --> 01:04:56.389
my first thought was... The sound quality is

01:04:56.389 --> 01:04:59.150
not so great. It's kind of punkish. But then

01:04:59.150 --> 01:05:01.929
as I got more into it, I realized there's something

01:05:01.929 --> 01:05:04.789
so different here, and the energy is so weird.

01:05:05.769 --> 01:05:11.349
The guitar player was wearing a girl's pink short

01:05:11.349 --> 01:05:18.030
dress with a green Girl Scout sash. Was that

01:05:18.030 --> 01:05:21.670
Madonna Wayne Gacy? Or Twiggy Ramirez. No, Twiggy

01:05:21.670 --> 01:05:27.750
Ramirez. Yes. You take a famous blonde and cross

01:05:27.750 --> 01:05:29.750
them with a famous serial killer, and that's

01:05:29.750 --> 01:05:34.650
their names, like Marilyn Manson. Manson came

01:05:34.650 --> 01:05:38.349
out looking like Alice Cooper used to dress during

01:05:38.349 --> 01:05:41.530
the killer phase in 1971, 72, with the black

01:05:41.530 --> 01:05:47.469
corset and boots and the fishnet stockings. So

01:05:47.469 --> 01:05:49.070
that was pretty much how he dressed, and the

01:05:49.070 --> 01:05:52.070
stage even looked like something the Alice Cooper

01:05:52.070 --> 01:05:55.780
group did back in the early 70s. But then he

01:05:55.780 --> 01:05:59.099
did something completely different. He started

01:05:59.099 --> 01:06:02.280
taunting the stage about how he's such a big

01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.099
rock star. He said, don't you want to see my

01:06:04.099 --> 01:06:07.000
big rock star dick? And he pulled his pants down

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.280
and here was about a 14 to 15 inch long black

01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:14.139
latex dildo hanging from his crotch. And he started

01:06:14.139 --> 01:06:16.320
flipping and flopping it around like strippers

01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.360
do with the tassels on their boobs. He's making

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.119
it helicopter. And then he grabbed a bottle of

01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:23.690
champagne and poured it down his chest. And by

01:06:23.690 --> 01:06:25.469
the time he got to the end of the dildo, it was

01:06:25.469 --> 01:06:28.550
foaming up in white for all the world that looked

01:06:28.550 --> 01:06:31.130
like he was ejaculating on the stage. Oh, my

01:06:31.130 --> 01:06:32.710
gosh. And then he started whipping that around.

01:06:32.769 --> 01:06:34.789
The foam started flying off into the audience.

01:06:34.809 --> 01:06:37.969
And I thought, this guy's got some really interesting

01:06:37.969 --> 01:06:41.250
ideas. I mean, this is totally different. And

01:06:41.250 --> 01:06:43.030
I started paying a lot more attention. And I

01:06:43.030 --> 01:06:46.630
thought, this is actually pretty damn cool. Well,

01:06:46.750 --> 01:06:49.050
I got one disturbing story about him in concert,

01:06:49.130 --> 01:06:51.969
and I believe the guy, he sounded like he didn't

01:06:51.969 --> 01:06:54.170
make it up, but he could have. But he saw him

01:06:54.170 --> 01:06:55.909
in Lawrence, and he said that Marilyn Manson

01:06:55.909 --> 01:06:59.929
fingered his asshole the whole time. That wouldn't

01:06:59.929 --> 01:07:03.130
be surprised. And I was just like, ugh. I know

01:07:03.130 --> 01:07:08.750
effect, but come on. I would not take anything

01:07:08.750 --> 01:07:10.789
he threw to me, a guitar pick or whatever. That's

01:07:10.789 --> 01:07:13.849
cool. Go ahead. You can have it. You know what's

01:07:13.849 --> 01:07:17.039
weird is Marilyn Manson, and Billy Corgan of

01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.539
the Smashing Pumpkins used to love to hang out

01:07:19.539 --> 01:07:22.719
and get high together. Hello, this is Phineas

01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:26.699
J. Altaris III. I'm here to deliver your music

01:07:26.699 --> 01:07:33.679
news this evening. Tudor Steve Lukather said

01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.900
that Michael Jackson's Beat It was almost ruined

01:07:35.900 --> 01:07:38.659
by Eddie Van Halen. Steve Lukather has explained

01:07:38.659 --> 01:07:40.519
that the issue wasn't Eddie Van Halen's solo

01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:43.300
itself, but that Eddie and his engineer, Don

01:07:43.300 --> 01:07:46.329
Landy, Eddie did the master tape and messed up

01:07:46.329 --> 01:07:48.409
the time code, which was crucial for syncing

01:07:48.409 --> 01:07:50.650
other tracks. This forced Luke Catherin drummer

01:07:50.650 --> 01:07:54.389
Jeff Porcano to meticulously recreate the song's

01:07:54.389 --> 01:07:56.789
backing tracks from scratch, using the faint

01:07:56.789 --> 01:07:58.829
bleed of the drums in Michael Jackson's vocal

01:07:58.829 --> 01:08:03.170
track and re -establishing the rhythm. This is

01:08:03.170 --> 01:08:07.869
Phineas J. Baltar S. III. That has been your

01:08:07.869 --> 01:08:11.030
music news for this evening. I have one burning

01:08:11.030 --> 01:08:14.360
question for you all. Do people really skip around

01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:18.600
the Maypole? Yeah, I think, yeah. You wouldn't

01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.000
think those two would have much in common, but

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:24.420
they sure did. The more I find out about Billy

01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:28.020
Corgan, the more I like him. He is a very interesting

01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:31.460
guy, really intelligent. He has a podcast, I

01:08:31.460 --> 01:08:33.600
forgot the name of it, but it is really good.

01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.479
I've listened to him talk to Sharon Osbourne

01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.460
and other people, and he is really, really good

01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:42.119
at what he does. He talked about his song Disarm.

01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.560
He said he wrote that about the relationship

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:52.560
he had with his parents. And he said, I didn't

01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.420
get along with my parents, didn't like my parents,

01:08:54.539 --> 01:08:56.619
and I had an awful childhood. He said, they didn't

01:08:56.619 --> 01:08:59.300
abuse me or beat me. We just didn't get along.

01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:03.180
And that's about where he left it. Wow. So that's

01:09:03.180 --> 01:09:05.659
what the song Disarm is about, is his conflict

01:09:05.659 --> 01:09:07.659
with his parents. And that's a good song. That's

01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:09.500
one of my favorite songs of them. It has a lot

01:09:09.500 --> 01:09:12.100
of conviction, and now I see why. Yeah. Okay,

01:09:12.140 --> 01:09:15.239
it came from something. All right, I got Alice

01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.079
in Chains opening for Ozzy. Once again, nobody

01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:21.479
was disappointed Ozzy came out. Yeah. But the

01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.039
fact that they commanded that type of an audience,

01:09:24.260 --> 01:09:26.859
you know, people jumping off the fucking, I've

01:09:26.859 --> 01:09:29.220
told you about it several times, I'm pretty sure.

01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.140
You know, the hill jacks fucking this slanty

01:09:32.140 --> 01:09:34.479
Missouri in the middle of the Ozark Mountain

01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:38.300
hills. And they're jumping off the 50 -foot cliff

01:09:38.300 --> 01:09:41.680
that separated the good seats from the turn.

01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:44.880
Yep. And breaking their legs and God knows what

01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:47.239
else. And they're doing it to get to the better

01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:50.770
seats. But it didn't. start with Ozzy. It started

01:09:50.770 --> 01:09:53.029
during Alice in Chains. And this is while Layne

01:09:53.029 --> 01:09:56.470
Staley had a broken foot and was on a big couch

01:09:56.470 --> 01:09:59.289
performing and people still went nuts. And Jerry

01:09:59.289 --> 01:10:01.689
Cantrell was over there just fucking masterfully

01:10:01.689 --> 01:10:04.329
just going nuts. I mean, the whole thing was

01:10:04.329 --> 01:10:08.069
just great. So yeah, they did not blow Ozzy off

01:10:08.069 --> 01:10:10.550
the stage because nobody ever did. The whole

01:10:10.550 --> 01:10:12.630
thing was they were so good that they could have

01:10:12.630 --> 01:10:14.289
played another hour and people would have been

01:10:14.289 --> 01:10:18.260
fine with it. It's so nice when the big acts

01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:20.020
will take people who are actually good, too,

01:10:20.100 --> 01:10:22.880
instead of just some scrub. Ozzy never dumped

01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.220
them. Yeah. No, he loved it. He was like, bring

01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:28.979
them on. You remember a band called The Babies?

01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.340
Vaguely. Yeah. Their lead singer quit, and that

01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:34.300
was John Waite. He went on to have that song,

01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.359
Missing You. That's where I know him from. I

01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.399
ain't missing you at all. Yeah. And their keyboard

01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:41.840
player quit and joined Journey. That was Jonathan

01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:44.960
Cain. Oh, Jonathan Cain, yeah. Yeah, so that's

01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.300
where most people should know the band The Babies.

01:10:47.460 --> 01:10:51.699
But I saw them at Kemper open for Alice, and

01:10:51.699 --> 01:10:55.420
they had a reputation of they start on time.

01:10:56.340 --> 01:10:58.979
Regardless of what happens, they start on time.

01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:00.939
And boy, howdy, they started on time. It was

01:11:00.939 --> 01:11:05.680
awesome. First time for everything. And, you

01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:09.939
know, they had the song Maybe It's Time or Baby

01:11:09.939 --> 01:11:14.350
It's Time. Yeah, that was like their only hit.

01:11:14.369 --> 01:11:16.829
Yeah, and so I was kind of waiting for that one,

01:11:16.890 --> 01:11:18.649
but then I started realizing the rest of these

01:11:18.649 --> 01:11:20.729
songs are really damn good. Matter of fact, I

01:11:20.729 --> 01:11:23.210
thought that was Peter Frampton for like 10 years.

01:11:23.229 --> 01:11:24.850
I thought that was Peter Frampton. It really

01:11:24.850 --> 01:11:27.050
sounds like Peter Frampton, but it wasn't. Yeah,

01:11:27.050 --> 01:11:29.829
it wasn't. But anyway, they really impressed

01:11:29.829 --> 01:11:32.770
me as an opening act. Kind of a one -hit wonder

01:11:32.770 --> 01:11:35.130
when it all said and done. Yeah, that's pretty

01:11:35.130 --> 01:11:37.479
much the only song anyone knows of them. But

01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:39.260
two members of their band went on to have great

01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:43.060
success. Yeah, John Wade and Jonathan Cain. Yeah,

01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.100
Jonathan Cain had the longer career. John Wade,

01:11:45.260 --> 01:11:49.100
he had a brief flash with a solo career. He went

01:11:49.100 --> 01:11:51.920
poppy on a solo career and it showed because

01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.140
once that type of music went away, so did he.

01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:57.079
Yeah, and he really didn't seem to have the physical

01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:00.699
sex appeal that was demanded at the time for

01:12:00.699 --> 01:12:03.479
how lead singers should look. So he had kind

01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.930
of small eyes and thin lips. No, he did not have

01:12:06.930 --> 01:12:08.489
them. He wasn't going to sell any posters. He

01:12:08.489 --> 01:12:13.329
was in Elvis. Yeah. Yeah. All right. My next

01:12:13.329 --> 01:12:17.550
one was and is Guns N' Roses opening for Aerosmith.

01:12:17.630 --> 01:12:20.689
Yeah. And this was one where some of the people

01:12:20.689 --> 01:12:23.449
were wanting guns to keep playing and Aerosmith

01:12:23.449 --> 01:12:26.170
not to play. But I have to say this. Once Aerosmith

01:12:26.170 --> 01:12:28.350
came out, people forgot about it. Yeah, yeah.

01:12:28.430 --> 01:12:30.149
But until then, people were like, bring back

01:12:30.149 --> 01:12:33.430
guns. Fuck you. Yep. And there are a lot of people

01:12:33.430 --> 01:12:35.760
screaming that. Yeah, I imagine. And they did

01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.960
not do an encore after they were gone. They were

01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:40.060
gone. Yeah, a lot of times the opening acts are

01:12:40.060 --> 01:12:42.359
forbidden from doing an encore. And I think that's

01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.039
probably what happened here. Yeah. Because people

01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.600
were like screaming and starting to throw shit

01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.579
and get a little unruly. And I believe it led

01:12:49.579 --> 01:12:52.140
to Aerosmith coming out early. Yeah. They came

01:12:52.140 --> 01:12:54.199
out like, I don't know, maybe 30 minutes. We're

01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:55.899
going to lose this audience if we don't get out

01:12:55.899 --> 01:12:57.479
here and do it now. Yeah, and they came out and

01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.119
they brought it. Yeah. So. Very good. And I'd

01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.199
also like to say that Stone Temple Pilots did

01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.520
a really good show with Aerosmith too. And there

01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:08.699
were like the younger rockers at the time, the

01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:11.979
Xers were all screaming for STP. And the older

01:13:11.979 --> 01:13:13.699
rockers, the Freedom Rockers, are all screaming

01:13:13.699 --> 01:13:18.500
for Aerosmith. So it's kind of a wash. So anyhow,

01:13:18.699 --> 01:13:21.760
GNR brought a lot of energy, really good playing,

01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.789
solid playing. I can't remember. I think they

01:13:26.789 --> 01:13:29.310
just got Matt Sorum. I don't think it was Stephen

01:13:29.310 --> 01:13:31.649
Adler anymore. I think they just got Matt Sorum.

01:13:31.770 --> 01:13:38.989
Yeah. So anyhow, great show. I've got some more

01:13:38.989 --> 01:13:41.109
here that I can't remember who the main act was.

01:13:41.229 --> 01:13:42.989
I just remember the opening act. Oh, that's fine.

01:13:43.149 --> 01:13:46.989
The Motels. Okay. They had some hits with Only

01:13:46.989 --> 01:13:50.550
the Lonely, Take the L, Suddenly Last Summer.

01:13:52.130 --> 01:13:57.489
Kind of 80s. Semi -synth pop, but guitar, bass

01:13:57.489 --> 01:14:00.010
to a large degree. I liked them. They had their

01:14:00.010 --> 01:14:03.750
time. They were never going to be my first form

01:14:03.750 --> 01:14:06.289
of music, but they were listenable. I enjoyed

01:14:06.289 --> 01:14:10.149
them somewhat. I remember at the time looking

01:14:10.149 --> 01:14:13.609
at the lead singer, Martha Davison, thinking,

01:14:14.190 --> 01:14:17.270
wow, I could be her groupie. Oh, no, I agree.

01:14:17.829 --> 01:14:20.250
She is pretty fucking smoking in her way. Yeah,

01:14:20.250 --> 01:14:23.130
she was. So I just kind of got interested in

01:14:23.130 --> 01:14:26.909
the band, and I realized after I got an album

01:14:26.909 --> 01:14:28.409
to listen to, it's like, well, they played a

01:14:28.409 --> 01:14:30.170
lot of hits during their opening because they

01:14:30.170 --> 01:14:32.689
had a lot of hits. I would have followed Belinda

01:14:32.689 --> 01:14:35.729
Carlyle around. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would have

01:14:35.729 --> 01:14:37.569
ate whatever came out of her ass just to see

01:14:37.569 --> 01:14:44.420
it. Okay, I'm moving right along here. Gravity

01:14:44.420 --> 01:14:47.560
kills. Remember them? Yes. They opened up for

01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:51.380
ministry. And Ministry, as good and weird as

01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:55.100
Ministry was, Gravity Kills, they did one hell

01:14:55.100 --> 01:14:57.319
of it. I knew none of their songs. I didn't even

01:14:57.319 --> 01:14:59.279
know they existed. I'm like, who the fuck is

01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.859
this band? Then they came out with that grinding,

01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:05.300
I call grindcore stuff. It was just excellent.

01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:07.460
And they had all this energy. And I can't even

01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:10.180
tell you one name of them. I never could. As

01:15:10.180 --> 01:15:12.020
a matter of fact, the pharmacist that I used

01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:15.220
to go to at Kmart in Grandview loved them. He

01:15:15.220 --> 01:15:17.319
was this nerdy guy. And I'd come in with a Ministry

01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:19.630
shirt on. He's like... Dude, did you see Grab

01:15:19.630 --> 01:15:21.550
Me Kills? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That

01:15:21.550 --> 01:15:24.010
was that first band? Yeah. Oh, my God, you know

01:15:24.010 --> 01:15:27.550
their album? I'm like, no, I really don't. But

01:15:27.550 --> 01:15:30.989
a pharmacist was like in the apartment. And I'm

01:15:30.989 --> 01:15:32.750
just sitting there going, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:36.729
they were good. But I didn't know any of their

01:15:36.729 --> 01:15:38.149
names or nothing. I was just like, yeah, they

01:15:38.149 --> 01:15:41.170
were good. And that's all I had to say. So, hey,

01:15:41.210 --> 01:15:45.430
go ahead. Next up I have Ashley's both opening

01:15:45.430 --> 01:15:47.960
acts. for an Alice Cooper show at Starlight.

01:15:48.100 --> 01:15:51.199
It was Motionless in White and Hailstorm. Hailstorm,

01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.140
yeah. I don't know who Motionless in White is.

01:15:53.380 --> 01:15:55.840
Motionless in White impressed me. They're very,

01:15:55.840 --> 01:16:00.600
very heavy hard rock, heavy metal, hard rock

01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.600
kind of thing. They all came out with totally

01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:09.800
white makeup and wearing dark clothes. And one

01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:11.720
of the things that really impressed me was the

01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.270
singer. wasn't all snarly and attitude and doom

01:16:15.270 --> 01:16:17.590
and gloom. He was a fun, just kind of regular

01:16:17.590 --> 01:16:20.729
guy. And he was engaging with the audience. One

01:16:20.729 --> 01:16:23.850
thing I remember is he was like, between songs,

01:16:23.930 --> 01:16:25.569
he was walking up around the front of the stage

01:16:25.569 --> 01:16:27.989
and saying, oh, I see a lot of people brought

01:16:27.989 --> 01:16:31.090
their kids here to the show, so I guess we'll

01:16:31.090 --> 01:16:32.890
have to watch our language. And the audience

01:16:32.890 --> 01:16:35.010
kind of laughed. And he said, nah, fuck that.

01:16:35.069 --> 01:16:37.010
We're going to say what we want. And everyone

01:16:37.010 --> 01:16:42.939
really laughed. I love that. You bring your kid

01:16:42.939 --> 01:16:45.340
to the show. You know what's going on. I agree

01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:48.460
with him. But, you know, for drop -tuning, hard,

01:16:48.699 --> 01:16:51.739
pounding, sludgy music with all the makeup and

01:16:51.739 --> 01:16:54.539
stuff, they acted like just regular guys, which

01:16:54.539 --> 01:16:57.060
really impressed me. They're not taking it so

01:16:57.060 --> 01:17:00.399
deadly serious, and they want to have fun. And

01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:05.430
then Hailstorm came out. Real high energy, a

01:17:05.430 --> 01:17:08.069
lot of fun. I was watching Lizzy Hale's brother,

01:17:08.270 --> 01:17:11.909
AJ, on the drums. The guy's nuts. He is absolutely

01:17:11.909 --> 01:17:14.569
bonkers crazy nuts, but he plays beautifully.

01:17:15.010 --> 01:17:17.489
He came out with these drumsticks that were like

01:17:17.489 --> 01:17:19.590
four and a half feet long and did a whole solo

01:17:19.590 --> 01:17:23.170
with these giant drumsticks. It was crazy. So

01:17:23.170 --> 01:17:27.909
I was pretty impressed by both. After I saw Hailstorm...

01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:31.260
I went home and rearranged my drum set. It's

01:17:31.260 --> 01:17:34.380
like, that guy's drum set was so weird, but he

01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:37.939
played it so masterfully. And I thought, I can

01:17:37.939 --> 01:17:40.420
do that. I need to focus more on these parts

01:17:40.420 --> 01:17:43.960
and less on those parts. And also, Hailstorm

01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:46.380
is just a fantastic band from Blizzy Hail on

01:17:46.380 --> 01:17:49.880
down. I missed one here, but I got another one

01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:53.079
after that. But anyhow, Megadeth opening for

01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.359
Iron Maid. Oh, yeah. Now, this was another one

01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.680
that is divided. The people that were younger

01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:00.880
at the time were, like, screaming for Megadeth,

01:18:00.899 --> 01:18:03.739
and the people that had a couple years on them

01:18:03.739 --> 01:18:06.479
were screaming for Iron Maiden. And me, I was

01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:08.439
like, either way, we can't lose. Either way,

01:18:08.500 --> 01:18:12.760
I'm good. But Dave Mustaine was angry and growly,

01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:17.220
played well, commanded attention. I mean, he

01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:20.079
was great. And the whole band, for that matter,

01:18:20.300 --> 01:18:23.199
really good musicians, played very well. But

01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:25.439
I also loved Iron Maiden, so, you know, I just

01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.390
wish. Megadeth would have held in there for another

01:18:27.390 --> 01:18:29.289
couple of songs, which they probably couldn't

01:18:29.289 --> 01:18:32.390
contractually. So anyhow, that's all to say about

01:18:32.390 --> 01:18:36.970
that. Go ahead. I saw Sammy Hagar at a summer

01:18:36.970 --> 01:18:41.529
jam as a solo artist, as the Red Rocker. This

01:18:41.529 --> 01:18:43.810
is right after he got out of Montrose, and he

01:18:43.810 --> 01:18:45.689
billed himself as the Red Rocker. He had so much

01:18:45.689 --> 01:18:49.250
more energy than Van Halen. Yeah, and he played

01:18:49.250 --> 01:18:51.569
guitar. I mean, he had a red guitar. He played

01:18:51.569 --> 01:18:55.300
guitar well. Yeah, he really did. But he was,

01:18:55.380 --> 01:18:59.220
of all the shows I saw at that Summer Jam, he

01:18:59.220 --> 01:19:02.260
was the most high energy. I mean, he never stopped

01:19:02.260 --> 01:19:04.840
moving. He was just everywhere, jumping, yelling,

01:19:05.020 --> 01:19:08.819
screaming, flipping. When I eventually later

01:19:08.819 --> 01:19:12.300
saw David Lee Roth, I thought, eh, Timmy Hagar

01:19:12.300 --> 01:19:15.279
did it better. And how ironic that they wound

01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:17.640
up being in the same band eventually. Oh, wow.

01:19:17.899 --> 01:19:20.640
But I thought, when I went to that, I was telling

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:24.250
people that I was going with, Sammy Hagar is

01:19:24.250 --> 01:19:25.729
going to be in there like, who? They'd never

01:19:25.729 --> 01:19:29.029
heard of him. Really? It was before all of his

01:19:29.029 --> 01:19:32.510
hits. He really didn't have a hit on the radio

01:19:32.510 --> 01:19:35.369
yet, as far as I can tell. Because his big one

01:19:35.369 --> 01:19:37.850
was I Can't Drive 55. Yeah, but that was later.

01:19:38.130 --> 01:19:42.229
That was after. Because I saw him in 78, 79.

01:19:42.510 --> 01:19:44.829
Oh, yeah, that's when he was just getting established.

01:19:45.010 --> 01:19:47.409
Just right after he got out of Montrose. Yeah,

01:19:47.430 --> 01:19:50.630
wow. Yeah, but he was really good. Yeah, I've

01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:52.369
always thought he was a good guitarist and a

01:19:52.369 --> 01:19:55.010
good singer. I like David Lee Roth better in

01:19:55.010 --> 01:19:57.390
his prime. Yeah. In his prime, just because the

01:19:57.390 --> 01:20:00.470
energy and his showmanship. And I think that

01:20:00.470 --> 01:20:04.630
Eddie played harder and with more direction under

01:20:04.630 --> 01:20:07.649
Roth for whatever reason. Probably just the energy

01:20:07.649 --> 01:20:09.390
that it brought, you know, because Sammy took

01:20:09.390 --> 01:20:12.590
off a lot of that because he played guitar somewhat

01:20:12.590 --> 01:20:15.130
in the band and all that in Van Halen, even though

01:20:15.130 --> 01:20:18.520
they didn't need it. Yeah. All right. And finally,

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.739
I have the Colt opening for Guns N' Roses. Oh,

01:20:20.739 --> 01:20:25.279
yeah. The Colt was so good that they could have

01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:27.220
played a full concert and I would have been happy.

01:20:27.420 --> 01:20:30.079
I mean, and I love Guns N' Roses. They did a

01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.420
great job, and the Colt did much better at that

01:20:32.420 --> 01:20:37.760
time. And I've seen Guns N' Roses numerous times,

01:20:37.819 --> 01:20:40.880
and they always put on a hell of a show. But

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:42.600
the Colt was just so good. Wait a minute, I'm

01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:47.000
not done with that yet. My last one is going

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.399
to be a band called The Kings. They had one hit

01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:54.680
that was called The Beat Goes On Switching to

01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:57.479
Glide. Oh, yeah, yeah. You remember that one?

01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.020
I do remember that one. And they opened down

01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:02.680
the uptown for Alice Cooper when Alice was in

01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:07.119
his cocaine period. And he was touring, I think,

01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:10.699
on the album Special Forces. So Alice looked

01:21:10.699 --> 01:21:12.979
about half dead. He was super skinny, trying

01:21:12.979 --> 01:21:16.779
to be all new wave and punky. And the Kings,

01:21:16.899 --> 01:21:21.159
even though they had only the one hit, they were

01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:23.939
having so much fun on stage. They looked like

01:21:23.939 --> 01:21:26.020
they were having the time of their life. And

01:21:26.020 --> 01:21:28.640
it came through in the music. All of it was just

01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:31.180
fun. Everybody was up and moving and dancing.

01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.399
And it was kind of a bummer when Alice came out

01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.479
because he was so heavily damaged and his music

01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:40.760
was dark. And it wasn't anything like it used

01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:42.760
to be because he had all new musicians with him.

01:21:43.350 --> 01:21:45.829
I was kind of thinking, you know, I kind of wanted

01:21:45.829 --> 01:21:48.649
to bring the Kings back out. I love Alice, but

01:21:48.649 --> 01:21:51.010
man, this was not his best time, that's for sure.

01:21:51.270 --> 01:21:57.409
Yeah, that happens. Yeah. Well, I heard the other

01:21:57.409 --> 01:22:00.369
day that Beyonce promises she's not going to

01:22:00.369 --> 01:22:05.289
do any more country music. A lot of people were

01:22:05.289 --> 01:22:10.409
happy about that. Okay. She complains it was

01:22:10.409 --> 01:22:13.560
not well received. and didn't sell well, and

01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.539
her concerts didn't go well, and she blames it

01:22:16.539 --> 01:22:21.680
all on racism. And then when the interviewer

01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.460
pointed out that, see, people like Darius Rucker

01:22:24.460 --> 01:22:27.800
and Charlie Pride, they've had great careers.

01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.340
Her response, oh, well, there's sexism out there

01:22:31.340 --> 01:22:36.899
too. It's like, okay, Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn,

01:22:37.539 --> 01:22:41.520
Dolly Parton, the list goes on and on. Plenty

01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:45.439
of women are successful. She's just looking for

01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:48.420
an excuse, so it's not her fault. Her winning

01:22:48.420 --> 01:22:50.939
a Grammy off that Cowboy Carter bullshit was

01:22:50.939 --> 01:22:54.680
insane. Okay? Nuh -uh. No, she should never have

01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.399
gotten that. She got a gimme. Yeah. And she's

01:22:57.399 --> 01:22:59.479
still not happy with it. It showed that all the

01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:03.079
rewards are bought and paid for. If you wanted

01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:05.000
a Grammy this year, just pay enough money and

01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:09.319
you'll get one. Yep. To blame racism and then

01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:11.840
sexism for your music not selling and people

01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:16.140
not wanting to listen to you? Yeah. Go away,

01:23:16.260 --> 01:23:20.399
Beyonce. Go away. Doesn't hold water. No, no.

01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:23.979
Apparently it just can't be her fault. Under

01:23:23.979 --> 01:23:26.119
any circumstances, it just can't be her fault.

01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:30.180
So she'll blame anything. And did. Yep. That's

01:23:30.180 --> 01:23:32.720
just sad. Do you want to go to the favorite indoor

01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.859
venues? Yes. All right. I realize that I've only

01:23:36.859 --> 01:23:40.100
ever been to concerts in Kansas City. One in

01:23:40.100 --> 01:23:42.239
St. Louis, one in Topeka, so my list is pretty

01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.920
short. Well, except for one. All of them are

01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:47.619
regional, except for the one up in Lowell, Massachusetts.

01:23:48.060 --> 01:23:51.939
So go ahead. I put basically the big ones. Municipal,

01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:57.960
Memorial Hall, Knuckleheads. Oh, yeah. I forgot

01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.239
Knuckleheads. And the Uptown. Very good. But

01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.319
I left off Kemper, or whatever they're calling

01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:05.779
it now. It always sounded like shit in there.

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:08.760
No, I could not stand that venue. Just awful

01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:14.199
sound. Also an awful layout, too, for a concert.

01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:17.359
Yeah, yeah. It was not that impressive. And then

01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:19.460
there were some smaller clubs like J .C.'s South

01:24:19.460 --> 01:24:22.500
and J .C.'s North that I saw shows in. Oh, yeah,

01:24:22.500 --> 01:24:24.859
yeah. Medusa's and a couple other ones. Yeah.

01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:28.079
The Block West. It wasn't really all that impressive.

01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:35.649
It was just kind of blah. Yeah. You have more?

01:24:36.449 --> 01:24:38.590
Oh, that was on my indoor. Oh, shit. Okay. All

01:24:38.590 --> 01:24:42.989
right. My indoor is Beaumont Club. Oh, yeah.

01:24:43.250 --> 01:24:45.630
I love that because the stage was actually below

01:24:45.630 --> 01:24:47.970
you when you walked in. It was in like a pit.

01:24:48.329 --> 01:24:51.409
Yeah. It was great to spin on him. Oh, you'd

01:24:51.409 --> 01:24:54.069
get some great aiming. Phil Anselmo thought he

01:24:54.069 --> 01:24:56.069
was going to flip out when he was laying down

01:24:56.069 --> 01:24:58.869
there. People were spitting on him. He was about

01:24:58.869 --> 01:25:00.189
ready to kill him, but he couldn't figure out

01:25:00.189 --> 01:25:04.449
who was spitting on him. Yeah. The Uptown Theater.

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:08.479
Yeah. The Fox Theater in St. Louis. Very good

01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:10.899
theater. Well, if you haven't seen a concert

01:25:10.899 --> 01:25:13.060
there, try to. Oh, I will. They usually have

01:25:13.060 --> 01:25:17.479
some pretty good shows there. Cannery Hall, Nashville.

01:25:17.979 --> 01:25:20.659
Oh, wow. I saw Glenn Hughes and the Dead Daisies.

01:25:20.739 --> 01:25:23.899
Wow. Davey did, and it was just a perfect place

01:25:23.899 --> 01:25:26.119
to see a concert. You could see them right in

01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:28.539
the eyes. It was, like, so close and just, like,

01:25:28.539 --> 01:25:32.039
really personal. It was really good. The Outhouse.

01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:37.779
Oh. Never been there? No. Okay. Now it's a strip

01:25:37.779 --> 01:25:42.260
club, but it's in Lawrence. Not in Lawrence,

01:25:42.340 --> 01:25:44.899
but just outside of Lawrence. Okay. And it was

01:25:44.899 --> 01:25:48.239
a punk club. Oh, okay. A run -down, shitty place,

01:25:48.300 --> 01:25:50.840
but some of the best punk bands around played

01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:54.220
there. The Bottleneck. The Bottleneck was always

01:25:54.220 --> 01:25:58.800
big. The Cotillion. Oh. And that is in Wichita.

01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:02.760
Yeah. The Twilight Theater, like I said, Boston

01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:04.960
is actually Lowell, Massachusetts. It's a small

01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.319
theater, an old theater that used to be a movie

01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:10.399
theater that had been fixed up since the 40s.

01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.100
But it was exactly the same inside, just renovated.

01:26:14.539 --> 01:26:17.319
And it was all beveled from the top to the bottom,

01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:19.619
not that big. I did not get to see a concert

01:26:19.619 --> 01:26:21.300
there, but I got to go in and they gave me a

01:26:21.300 --> 01:26:23.720
tour because I asked. I was like, hey, you know,

01:26:23.739 --> 01:26:25.239
I want to see a concert here, but I don't know

01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:26.960
if I'm going to be here. So I saw their schedule.

01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.060
Ah, shit, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going

01:26:29.060 --> 01:26:30.619
to be able to. I'm going to be gone by that time.

01:26:30.619 --> 01:26:31.779
They're like, well, you want to take a tour?

01:26:31.899 --> 01:26:35.100
I'm like, yeah. I think it was amazing. And then,

01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:38.100
let's see, finally, the waiting room in Omaha.

01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:42.460
That is a cool one. That's where I saw Zach Wildwood,

01:26:42.460 --> 01:26:45.460
Zach Sabbath, play on the bar. It had a huge

01:26:45.460 --> 01:26:47.500
bar in the middle of it that was square and went

01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:49.399
all the way around the place. I mean, it was

01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.939
huge. He went on top of that. He didn't care

01:26:51.939 --> 01:26:53.800
if he kicked off drinks or not. It was up to

01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.199
you to pull the drink away. But he would walk

01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.210
all the way around. play his guitar on there.

01:26:59.350 --> 01:27:02.750
He even went outside, up and down the fucking

01:27:02.750 --> 01:27:07.590
sidewalk and played. All while doing his back

01:27:07.590 --> 01:27:10.850
behind, playing with his teeth. Amazing shit.

01:27:11.270 --> 01:27:15.289
And still hitting those pitch harmonics. Anyhow,

01:27:15.289 --> 01:27:21.369
great stuff. That's all my indoor. A couple indoor

01:27:21.369 --> 01:27:23.850
ones that I never saw rock concerts at, but I

01:27:23.850 --> 01:27:26.529
did see other types of musical performance. The

01:27:26.529 --> 01:27:30.260
White Recital Hall. on the campus of UNKC. Okay,

01:27:30.380 --> 01:27:33.060
I don't think I've been there. And the Folly

01:27:33.060 --> 01:27:35.960
Theater. Oh, the Folly, yeah. I've heard vocal

01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.659
performances there, and the acoustics in there

01:27:38.659 --> 01:27:41.840
are perfect. And it's a beautiful theater, too.

01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.899
It is. It's gorgeous on the inside. Oh, my gosh.

01:27:43.939 --> 01:27:49.039
It was made so well. Yeah. You want to do the

01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:54.319
favorite outdoor? Yeah. Okay. I've got Starlight

01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:58.699
in Smokeheart. I've always liked concerts at

01:27:58.699 --> 01:28:01.960
Arrowhead and or Royal Stadium. Oh, yeah. I like

01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:04.739
Arrowhead a little bit better, but Royal Stadium

01:28:04.739 --> 01:28:07.779
is cool, too. Theater in the Park in Shawnee

01:28:07.779 --> 01:28:10.960
Mission. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. That

01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:13.140
one in St. Louis where you and I saw Deep Purple

01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:15.199
and Alice Cooper in Ender Winter. Hollywood Theater,

01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:20.300
yeah. Hollywood Theater, okay. That's about it

01:28:20.300 --> 01:28:22.579
for outdoors. I did play the Spirit Fest once,

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.899
but I didn't go to the concert. I was performing

01:28:25.899 --> 01:28:29.619
there, but... It would have been a blast to be

01:28:29.619 --> 01:28:32.279
in the audience at one of those big spirit fests

01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:35.140
at the Liberty Memorial. I never did. I've got

01:28:35.140 --> 01:28:37.760
Liberty Memorial on mine, and that was because

01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:40.239
of the Rock Fest and Spirits Fest and all that,

01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.359
because there's some legendary stuff. Yeah. Like

01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:50.439
the great sod fucking vine. Yeah. The crowd surfing,

01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:53.600
the women getting violated while crowd surfing.

01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.399
Yeah, yeah. Then the band having to point it

01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.600
out. That creep right there. All this stuff.

01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:03.199
So, all right. Favorite outdoor ones for me,

01:29:03.260 --> 01:29:05.520
the Hollywood Casino Amphitheater in Council

01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:10.819
Bluffs. It's for Omaha, okay? And if anyone doesn't

01:29:10.819 --> 01:29:12.520
know, Council Bluffs in Omaha is kind of like

01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.260
Kansas City, Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri.

01:29:14.539 --> 01:29:19.460
The river separates them. And one is the name

01:29:19.460 --> 01:29:21.479
of one town and one is the name of another town.

01:29:22.590 --> 01:29:25.029
All the casinos had to be in Iowa because they

01:29:25.029 --> 01:29:27.069
allowed them and Nebraska didn't. So all the

01:29:27.069 --> 01:29:29.729
concerts went down there. Yeah. And I saw so

01:29:29.729 --> 01:29:32.949
many of them from Vince Neal, Queensryche, and

01:29:32.949 --> 01:29:36.010
Sebastian Bach. Wow. Two other concerts. I've

01:29:36.010 --> 01:29:37.369
seen quite a few of them there. It's a great

01:29:37.369 --> 01:29:39.810
place. It's a neat place. It's on the river.

01:29:39.890 --> 01:29:43.369
It's beautiful. And it was like, I don't know,

01:29:43.430 --> 01:29:45.630
130 degrees when I saw them, but it was still

01:29:45.630 --> 01:29:48.550
good. The beer took care of that. Yes, it did.

01:29:48.550 --> 01:29:51.859
The drink took care of that. So, all right. The

01:29:51.859 --> 01:29:53.760
Black Oak Amphitheater in Atlanta, Missouri.

01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:57.340
It may be replaced by Thunder Ridge once I eventually

01:29:57.340 --> 01:30:01.680
go there. But that thing, the whole thing, it's

01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:03.680
on the Ozark Mountains. You can see Table Rock

01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:07.979
Lake, beautiful forests, and hillbillies. Beautiful,

01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:10.859
beautiful. You can't beat that. They come out

01:30:10.859 --> 01:30:12.600
of the woods to sell you a little moonshine.

01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:14.579
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all the hill jacks

01:30:14.579 --> 01:30:16.819
getting fucked up, jumping off the cheap seats.

01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:20.470
It's half the entertainment value. Well, and

01:30:20.470 --> 01:30:22.750
then the next one where we saw Skinner in all

01:30:22.750 --> 01:30:24.829
the fights, nobody was jumping off there because

01:30:24.829 --> 01:30:27.609
they changed that. They took out that level.

01:30:27.810 --> 01:30:30.189
I'm pretty sure they had to. And they made a

01:30:30.189 --> 01:30:33.090
different slope terrace, but it wasn't nearly

01:30:33.090 --> 01:30:35.390
as big and it wasn't as high up. They completely

01:30:35.390 --> 01:30:38.850
reconfigured it. And at the time, it was the

01:30:38.850 --> 01:30:42.010
Swiss Villa when they had the big go. So the

01:30:42.010 --> 01:30:44.590
Blackhawk Amphitheater. And there are so many

01:30:44.590 --> 01:30:46.989
fights that I couldn't watch Leonard Skinner.

01:30:47.430 --> 01:30:51.319
So anyhow, it's... because of everything involved,

01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:55.979
Lampy, Black Oak Amphitheater. So then the next

01:30:55.979 --> 01:30:59.699
one would be Grinders. Oh, yeah. I love that.

01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:01.239
I love that venue. It's right in the middle of

01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.520
downtown. You wouldn't even know it unless you

01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:05.880
saw it. It's right behind Grinders. And they

01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.640
have a really nice stage there. They have good

01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:11.399
sound. And it's a great place on a summer night

01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:13.000
to go have a couple of beers and watch somebody

01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:16.220
you want to watch. Yeah. And the tickets usually

01:31:16.220 --> 01:31:18.340
aren't outrageous there. They control it pretty

01:31:18.340 --> 01:31:20.180
well. They handle their own. That's an important

01:31:20.180 --> 01:31:23.159
part of it. It is, very much. The Hollywood Casino

01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.279
Amphitheater in St. Charles, which you've been

01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:29.399
at. Red Rocks, because of my visit there, but

01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:32.199
not because I actually saw a concert there. But

01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:35.340
when I get a chance, I will. Rock and Roll Ribs,

01:31:35.340 --> 01:31:37.239
Coral Springs, Florida, and that would be Nico

01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:44.300
McBrain's. The Bomb Factory in Dallas. Oh, wow.

01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.439
A lot like the Beaumont. You walk in and the

01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:49.619
band's below you, only quite a bit further below

01:31:49.619 --> 01:31:51.840
you. It's really interesting because the sound

01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.279
travels up. By the time it travels up, you hear

01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:56.279
double of everything, but you don't care. Yeah.

01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:58.840
It's like, I don't give a shit. This is still

01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:02.640
fantastic. And just the amount of people that

01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.920
went there and, like, all the energy. So that

01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:12.409
was good. So what is your favorite season? And

01:32:12.409 --> 01:32:19.510
time of day. I think my favorite is summer. Like

01:32:19.510 --> 01:32:23.649
late afternoon into evening. Clear sky, warm.

01:32:24.510 --> 01:32:27.390
I can really relax in a situation like that.

01:32:27.430 --> 01:32:31.369
I really don't like being cold. So if it's not

01:32:31.369 --> 01:32:36.289
warm, then I'm probably cold. So just like the

01:32:36.289 --> 01:32:38.750
opening act comes out late afternoon and the

01:32:38.750 --> 01:32:41.779
opening act comes out when it's fully dark. Just

01:32:41.779 --> 01:32:45.199
that slow transition from day to night, listening

01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.039
to good music, and it's warm, and you're drinking

01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:50.760
a nice cold beverage. That's awesome for me.

01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:54.579
Mine is late October. Oh, that's good, too. Yeah,

01:32:54.659 --> 01:32:57.140
and the reason is because it's not sweating or

01:32:57.140 --> 01:32:59.319
nothing like that, and it's the last hurrah.

01:32:59.539 --> 01:33:01.640
Everyone knows that after this concert, there's

01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:04.210
no more outdoor ones for a few months. And usually

01:33:04.210 --> 01:33:06.270
the bugs are dead, so you're not getting hammered

01:33:06.270 --> 01:33:09.470
by mosquitoes or flies. Yeah, so to me, I love

01:33:09.470 --> 01:33:13.010
that. And also, 72 -degree day, light wind, sunny.

01:33:13.710 --> 01:33:15.850
To me, that's the best. As a matter of fact,

01:33:15.930 --> 01:33:17.689
you're rock and rolling so much, if it's a good

01:33:17.689 --> 01:33:19.630
show, you're actually taking off your jacket

01:33:19.630 --> 01:33:22.109
and going, man, this is perfect. Yeah. And I

01:33:22.109 --> 01:33:24.909
like it to start about noon. Yeah. And then be

01:33:24.909 --> 01:33:27.890
kind of like a festival. Usually the last one

01:33:27.890 --> 01:33:30.409
is off about 9 o 'clock if it starts at noon.

01:33:30.810 --> 01:33:34.220
And that's mine. All right. What have you got

01:33:34.220 --> 01:33:38.699
now? Bands with tragic touring accidents. Oh,

01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:40.819
that's going to be good. There are a few important

01:33:40.819 --> 01:33:42.640
ones left off, but I think they're trying to

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:46.199
cover some of the more lesser -known ones. The

01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.699
first one we got is Otis Redding and his backup

01:33:48.699 --> 01:33:54.239
band, the Bar Ks. December 10, 1967, it was on

01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:57.500
Otis Redding's first tour in his own private

01:33:57.500 --> 01:34:00.920
plane, and it went down four miles short of the

01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:04.710
airport in heavy fog. It went into a lake, and

01:34:04.710 --> 01:34:06.890
everybody except trumpet player named Collie

01:34:06.890 --> 01:34:10.149
was killed. And he clung onto a seat cushion

01:34:10.149 --> 01:34:12.810
and was eventually taken out of the freezing

01:34:12.810 --> 01:34:16.189
water. I was unaware of this story. Wow. Okay.

01:34:16.710 --> 01:34:21.010
And many of the members of the Barcays were actually

01:34:21.010 --> 01:34:25.250
teenagers. And they died in this terrible plane

01:34:25.250 --> 01:34:28.409
crash. That sucks. The song, Sitting on the Dock

01:34:28.409 --> 01:34:31.390
of the Bay, was recorded three days before the

01:34:31.390 --> 01:34:35.180
plane crash. Wow. and then released after. So

01:34:35.180 --> 01:34:37.539
everybody who heard that song was thinking, poor

01:34:37.539 --> 01:34:39.800
guy has just been killed in a plane crash, and

01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:42.500
he's never going to go sit on the dock of the

01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:45.359
bay and waste his time. It made it just that

01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:49.479
much more poignant. And I think the heavy fog

01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:54.880
was what was blamed for the crash. Okay. Like

01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.720
so many times, an ill -advised trip, and they

01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.479
say, no, do it anyhow, we've got to get there.

01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:05.020
Yeah. The next one. Damage Plan. Oh, yeah. December

01:35:05.020 --> 01:35:09.520
8, 2004. On their first tour. They played in

01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:13.300
Columbus, Ohio at the El Rosa Villa Club. And

01:35:13.300 --> 01:35:15.279
a man named Nathan Gale was in the audience.

01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.979
He was recently diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

01:35:19.369 --> 01:35:22.270
And he claimed that the band had stolen his lyrics

01:35:22.270 --> 01:35:25.569
and had stolen his identity. I forgot about that.

01:35:25.649 --> 01:35:28.789
Yeah, so he took it all out on the guitarist,

01:35:28.789 --> 01:35:31.369
Dimebag. Dimebag, yeah. So he got up onto the

01:35:31.369 --> 01:35:33.729
stage and opened fire two minutes into the show.

01:35:34.350 --> 01:35:37.970
And he killed Dimebag, I think an audience member,

01:35:38.170 --> 01:35:40.789
a member of the crew. And a security guard with

01:35:40.789 --> 01:35:46.390
a gun killed him. And right in front of his brother,

01:35:46.529 --> 01:35:51.350
Vinnie Paul. Shit. Yeah. But initially the word

01:35:51.350 --> 01:35:53.609
came out that this was a disgruntled fan that

01:35:53.609 --> 01:35:57.369
was unhappy over Pantera breaking up and blamed

01:35:57.369 --> 01:36:00.810
the members of the band. But he had zero touch

01:36:00.810 --> 01:36:03.090
with reality at that point. Well, if any, Paul

01:36:03.090 --> 01:36:05.529
harbored a lot of resentment towards Phil Ansamo

01:36:05.529 --> 01:36:07.970
because Phil Ansamo's famous quote right before

01:36:07.970 --> 01:36:11.029
that happened was, I wish Steinbeck would get

01:36:11.029 --> 01:36:14.210
beaten to death. And instead he got shot to death.

01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.399
Yeah. On stage. Yeah. So when there was rumors

01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.439
about them getting back together, he said that's

01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:21.539
not possible. Vinnie Paul's dead now. He passed

01:36:21.539 --> 01:36:25.159
away from a heart attack. Yeah. He kept saying

01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.600
it's not possible because Dimebag isn't here.

01:36:27.619 --> 01:36:30.140
Without Dimebag, we are not Pantera. But, I mean,

01:36:30.220 --> 01:36:32.539
yeah, that's true. But, you know, Zach would

01:36:32.539 --> 01:36:33.939
have been a great replacement because they're

01:36:33.939 --> 01:36:38.220
best friends and they do play a lot alike in

01:36:38.220 --> 01:36:42.140
a lot of different ways. And Zach plays Dimebag

01:36:42.140 --> 01:36:46.539
stuff so well with the same energy. Yeah. Yeah,

01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:48.840
that was something else that was horrible. That's

01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:50.880
something that will never, it will always live

01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:53.020
in infamy. Someone will get murdered right on

01:36:53.020 --> 01:36:55.220
stage in front of everybody. And that was Damage

01:36:55.220 --> 01:36:56.979
Plan. That was the band that they came up with.

01:36:57.079 --> 01:37:00.380
And Phil and Samo came up with Down. Yeah. I

01:37:00.380 --> 01:37:02.819
was lucky enough to see Down. And they were really

01:37:02.819 --> 01:37:06.750
good. Except Phil Examo trying to kick everybody's

01:37:06.750 --> 01:37:11.710
ass because he's getting spit on. I bet you he

01:37:11.710 --> 01:37:13.930
never booked the Beaumont again. It's more like,

01:37:13.989 --> 01:37:15.729
isn't that where everybody spits on you because

01:37:15.729 --> 01:37:18.130
you're down below? Yeah, no, no, I'm not doing

01:37:18.130 --> 01:37:23.449
that. All right, up next we have a band called

01:37:23.449 --> 01:37:27.710
The Ghost Inside. It's their 2015 tour. They're

01:37:27.710 --> 01:37:31.779
traveling between Dallas and Phoenix. And their

01:37:31.779 --> 01:37:35.319
tour bus went head -on into a truck outside of

01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:39.039
El Paso, which killed both drivers and injured

01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:42.720
all the band members. Every single member. The

01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:44.899
drummer got the worst of it. Shattered shoulder.

01:37:45.220 --> 01:37:48.960
He was in a coma for 10 days. He lost his right

01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:54.420
leg. And he returned to playing with his father

01:37:54.420 --> 01:37:57.159
made him a prosthetic. It was an above -the -knee

01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:00.260
amputation. So it hooks around his thigh, and

01:38:00.260 --> 01:38:02.859
he just lifts his whole thigh up, and it brings

01:38:02.859 --> 01:38:04.680
something down on top of the kick pedal, and

01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:07.319
that's how he plays the kick drum. Oh, wow. But

01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:10.420
the band was just pretty much devastated, just

01:38:10.420 --> 01:38:17.100
destroyed. Jim Croce, Time in a Bottle, Bad,

01:38:17.140 --> 01:38:21.680
Bad Leroy Brown. September 20, 1973, six months

01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:25.000
after Bad, Bad Leroy Brown was released. He got

01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:27.380
on a small plane after a gig at a college in

01:38:27.380 --> 01:38:31.539
Louisiana, and the plane failed to gain altitude

01:38:31.539 --> 01:38:34.699
after takeoff. It just couldn't really gain any

01:38:34.699 --> 01:38:37.520
altitude. It crashed 250 feet from the end of

01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:40.859
the runway, killing everybody inside. Now, the

01:38:40.859 --> 01:38:43.060
night before, Jim Croce had written to his wife

01:38:43.060 --> 01:38:46.920
saying, Yeah, I'm kind of new to this touring

01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:48.880
stuff, but I don't like it, and this is going

01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:50.680
to be my last tour. I'm not doing this again.

01:38:50.859 --> 01:38:52.960
I don't like this at all. I'm going to focus

01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.779
on songwriting and recording. Oh, that's too

01:38:55.779 --> 01:38:59.319
bad. Yeah, yeah. And typically when planes fail

01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.000
to gain altitude after takeoff, it's because

01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:04.319
they were not properly configured for flight,

01:39:04.460 --> 01:39:06.840
usually because they didn't lower their flaps.

01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.399
Pretty much every airplane cannot take off without

01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:17.100
flaps. Pilot error. Yep. So, bummer there. Up

01:39:17.100 --> 01:39:21.399
next, Christina Grimmie. She was a teenager.

01:39:21.420 --> 01:39:24.880
She gained fame on YouTube doing covers and on

01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:28.119
The Voice, where she finished third. Signed a

01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:32.739
deal. Had no idea. Released two albums. In fact,

01:39:32.779 --> 01:39:34.640
when she auditioned on The Voice, all four coaches

01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:38.380
turned around and wanted her. That's a rarity.

01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.739
But even that, she finished third. She had four

01:39:41.739 --> 01:39:46.449
hit singles. Went on a tour in 2016, and on June

01:39:46.449 --> 01:39:49.050
10th, after a show in Orlando, she did a meet

01:39:49.050 --> 01:39:52.109
-and -greet after the show. And there was a whole

01:39:52.109 --> 01:39:53.989
line of people waiting to come up and shake her

01:39:53.989 --> 01:39:57.069
hand, say hi, and get an autograph. Obsessed

01:39:57.069 --> 01:40:01.329
fan Kevin Loible just skipped the line, walked

01:40:01.329 --> 01:40:03.329
right up, pulled the gun out, and started shooting

01:40:03.329 --> 01:40:07.149
her. Wow. And killed her, and was tackled by

01:40:07.149 --> 01:40:09.829
her brother, who was standing right there. And

01:40:09.829 --> 01:40:13.069
his reason? He felt that they were destined to

01:40:13.069 --> 01:40:15.409
be together. So that was how he was going to

01:40:15.409 --> 01:40:18.470
accomplish it, by killing her. You know, my brother

01:40:18.470 --> 01:40:20.050
should have just went ahead and said, all right,

01:40:20.050 --> 01:40:21.810
well, all right, here, let's go ahead and make

01:40:21.810 --> 01:40:24.449
that happen. Yeah. You know, anybody who feels

01:40:24.449 --> 01:40:28.470
that way, please try it out on yourself first.

01:40:28.510 --> 01:40:30.050
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead and try it out. Yeah,

01:40:30.069 --> 01:40:32.130
yeah. If you think, you know, murder -suicide

01:40:32.130 --> 01:40:34.350
is a great idea, do the suicide part first. Yeah,

01:40:34.449 --> 01:40:36.869
and see how it feels. Yeah. Before you wind up

01:40:36.869 --> 01:40:40.449
murdering. Yeah. So, I mean, really, really.

01:40:41.539 --> 01:40:45.779
Happy, fun, energetic, young girl. Just destroyed

01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:51.260
by a crazy fan. Got John Lennon. Yeah. Well,

01:40:51.340 --> 01:40:53.060
that wasn't a touring accident, so we don't have

01:40:53.060 --> 01:40:55.899
any more than this. No, that's true. Up next,

01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:59.880
Rick Nelson. Child TV star turned pop star. There

01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:04.979
was a 50s show called The Adventures of Ozzie

01:41:04.979 --> 01:41:07.810
and Harriet. Yeah. Those were his parents. And

01:41:07.810 --> 01:41:09.989
he played on the show as himself, their son,

01:41:10.130 --> 01:41:13.229
Ricky Nelson. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot.

01:41:13.449 --> 01:41:16.590
Yeah. And also his sons were big for a while.

01:41:16.789 --> 01:41:19.770
Yeah, the Nelsons. Yeah. The Nelson brothers

01:41:19.770 --> 01:41:21.829
or the Nelsons? I think they were the Nelsons.

01:41:21.970 --> 01:41:24.090
They were the Nelsons, yeah. Yeah. They're identical

01:41:24.090 --> 01:41:26.789
twins, weren't they? I think they were. Yeah,

01:41:26.810 --> 01:41:29.670
blonde hair. And they couldn't make it in pop,

01:41:29.810 --> 01:41:31.550
so they switched to country, and I don't think

01:41:31.550 --> 01:41:32.510
they made it in country either. No, they didn't

01:41:32.510 --> 01:41:34.890
make it in country either. They have one hit

01:41:34.890 --> 01:41:41.029
in pop. And then that was it. That's true, that's

01:41:41.029 --> 01:41:42.750
true. They were kind of a one hit. Yeah, they

01:41:42.750 --> 01:41:46.289
were. But Rick Nelson was kind of considered

01:41:46.289 --> 01:41:50.189
easy pop and country pop. I liked him. I thought

01:41:50.189 --> 01:41:52.569
he did good, yeah. His big hit was Garden Party,

01:41:52.810 --> 01:41:55.510
which was kind of semi -country. Yeah, yeah,

01:41:55.550 --> 01:42:00.329
focused kind of. But on December 31st of 1985,

01:42:00.609 --> 01:42:04.409
he boarded a DC -3 after showing Alabama to go

01:42:04.409 --> 01:42:07.750
to Dallas. They made it most of the way to Dallas

01:42:07.750 --> 01:42:11.449
on the plane, but the plane was circling over

01:42:11.449 --> 01:42:14.390
DeKalb, Texas, and the pilot radioed down and

01:42:14.390 --> 01:42:17.010
said, we've got a fire on board, we have smoke

01:42:17.010 --> 01:42:21.329
in the cockpit. The plane eventually went down

01:42:21.329 --> 01:42:24.569
and crashed. Only the pilot survived the severe

01:42:24.569 --> 01:42:28.329
burns. And when they investigated the crash,

01:42:28.430 --> 01:42:30.649
they were pretty sure it started with faulty

01:42:30.649 --> 01:42:33.609
cabin heaters. So the things that were designed

01:42:33.609 --> 01:42:36.529
to keep everyone warm back in the cabin. Caused

01:42:36.529 --> 01:42:38.649
a fucking fire. Set the plane on fire. Oh, my

01:42:38.649 --> 01:42:44.390
gosh. Oh. Yeah. Chuck Mangione. Oh, yeah. Remember

01:42:44.390 --> 01:42:46.390
him? Feel So Good? Uh -huh. The Louis DeMille

01:42:46.390 --> 01:42:51.949
thing. 2009 on February 12th. Louis Mangione's

01:42:51.949 --> 01:42:56.430
great uncle. Yes. That's the guy that shot the

01:42:56.430 --> 01:43:01.340
Allied or whatever, insurance guy. Oh, yeah,

01:43:01.579 --> 01:43:07.380
yeah, yeah. Luigi. Luigi Mangione, his great

01:43:07.380 --> 01:43:11.859
uncle. Or no, his great nephew. Yeah, there we

01:43:11.859 --> 01:43:15.800
go. All right. So he was on a flight from Newark

01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:18.880
to Buffalo. When the plane crashed into a suburban

01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:20.619
home in Buffalo, they made it all the way to

01:43:20.619 --> 01:43:22.439
Buffalo, but then it went down and crashed into

01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:25.640
a suburban home, killing 49 people on board and

01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:28.659
one person on the ground. So this wasn't a charter

01:43:28.659 --> 01:43:33.300
plane. He was flying commercial. Wow. Most things

01:43:33.300 --> 01:43:36.420
are chartered. Yeah, but this one he just got

01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:38.520
on a regular commercial flight because he wasn't

01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:41.399
all that big anymore. Mangione himself survived,

01:43:41.539 --> 01:43:46.119
but key band members died. There was a trumpet

01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:52.680
player and I can't remember the other one. It

01:43:52.680 --> 01:43:54.060
might have been a guitar player. I can't remember.

01:43:54.300 --> 01:43:56.039
That was so long ago, but yeah, I'm familiar.

01:43:56.840 --> 01:43:59.600
But he canceled the rest of the tour because

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:01.539
he didn't even want to think about replacing

01:44:01.539 --> 01:44:03.479
these key members of his band. Oh, I get it,

01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:05.880
yeah. And then eventually when the crash was

01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.340
investigated, they say the pilot did not respond

01:44:08.340 --> 01:44:12.300
correctly to stall warnings. So he did something

01:44:12.300 --> 01:44:15.020
wrong that put his plane into a stall, probably

01:44:15.020 --> 01:44:17.800
by not watching his speed. And then when he got

01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:20.100
the stall warnings, he ignored them or responded

01:44:20.100 --> 01:44:23.039
inappropriately. I take it he perished. Yeah.

01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.520
Okay. And you just fall right out of the sky.

01:44:26.220 --> 01:44:31.100
Wow. Okay. Eddie Cochran. Now, this goes back

01:44:31.100 --> 01:44:36.359
to 1960. He was like 21 years old, just at the

01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:37.859
beginning of his career. Hey, is Chuck Mangione

01:44:37.859 --> 01:44:40.560
still alive or not? I think he's passed by now.

01:44:40.699 --> 01:44:45.619
I thought he did, too. Okay. He was not really

01:44:45.619 --> 01:44:47.579
hitting it big in the U .S., but he was getting

01:44:47.579 --> 01:44:50.119
big in the U .K., so he went over there with

01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:53.829
Gene Vincent to do a tour. The tour was so successful,

01:44:53.930 --> 01:44:57.670
they extended it by an extra 10 weeks. That's

01:44:57.670 --> 01:44:59.689
how popular he was getting. Wow, that's good.

01:44:59.949 --> 01:45:03.850
And then on April 16th, after showing Bristol,

01:45:04.829 --> 01:45:08.550
Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, and the band got

01:45:08.550 --> 01:45:12.270
into a cab for the ride to the airport. And the

01:45:12.270 --> 01:45:15.109
cab ran right into a lamppost at high speed.

01:45:16.010 --> 01:45:20.449
And the picture of the cab shows it was bent

01:45:20.449 --> 01:45:23.260
pretty badly. So he didn't go into it head -on.

01:45:23.260 --> 01:45:27.119
He was kind of sliding sideways. Eddie Cochran

01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:29.399
was thrown from the cab and died of head injuries.

01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:34.460
Wow. Everybody else survived. Oh, not his day.

01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:36.840
Yep. Should have been wearing the seatbelt. Should

01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:39.779
have, yeah. In 1960, London. Nobody was wearing

01:45:39.779 --> 01:45:41.640
it. Yeah, cabs probably didn't have seatbelts.

01:45:41.699 --> 01:45:44.500
No, I don't think they did. A lot of things you

01:45:44.500 --> 01:45:46.560
thought would have seatbelts did not back then.

01:45:48.829 --> 01:45:52.729
You heard of Chaotica or Wormrike? No. Okay,

01:45:52.829 --> 01:45:55.909
a couple of black metal bands. They joined forces

01:45:55.909 --> 01:46:01.109
for a southern U .S. tour in 2015. And they did

01:46:01.109 --> 01:46:02.729
everything together. I mean, I don't know who

01:46:02.729 --> 01:46:04.630
was opening for who, but they ate together, they

01:46:04.630 --> 01:46:06.430
stayed together, they traveled together. It was

01:46:06.430 --> 01:46:10.069
like two bands that were a family. After a show

01:46:10.069 --> 01:46:13.449
in Spartanburg, South Carolina, they were driving

01:46:13.449 --> 01:46:17.050
their van to Atlanta. Driver fell asleep. Oh.

01:46:17.210 --> 01:46:21.369
Yeah. The van hit a tree, injured eight, three

01:46:21.369 --> 01:46:25.909
of them critical, and killed three. One member

01:46:25.909 --> 01:46:30.050
of Chaotica, Nicholas Chris Ostomo, age 25, and

01:46:30.050 --> 01:46:32.930
two from Wormrike, Ian McKinney, age 30, and

01:46:32.930 --> 01:46:38.390
Paul Truesdale, age 29. And the band just decided

01:46:38.390 --> 01:46:40.909
that, you know what, this is too much, and they

01:46:40.909 --> 01:46:43.529
just canceled the rest of the stuff. And even

01:46:43.529 --> 01:46:45.550
if they reformed and tried to make another go

01:46:45.550 --> 01:46:48.460
of it, Apparently that didn't work because they're

01:46:48.460 --> 01:46:50.819
just gone. I mean, this is 11 years ago, and

01:46:50.819 --> 01:46:53.140
nobody's ever heard of them. They probably just

01:46:53.140 --> 01:46:54.800
decided to do something else with their lives.

01:46:55.579 --> 01:47:01.819
Josh Turner, Classic Country. He was on a 2019

01:47:01.819 --> 01:47:04.340
tour traveling from Paso Robles, California,

01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:08.279
on the way to Washington, someplace in Washington.

01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:11.539
He was near Shandon, California. The bus left

01:47:11.539 --> 01:47:15.260
the road, went through a fence. And over a 50

01:47:15.260 --> 01:47:19.439
-foot cliff. And then came to rest at the bottom.

01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:23.119
Seven injured and one dead. Crew member David

01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.020
Turner, who was the brother of Josh Turner. Oh,

01:47:26.020 --> 01:47:30.960
wow. Yeah. So, going over a 50 -foot cliff in

01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:33.479
a bus, I'm surprised only one person died. Me

01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:35.520
too. That's a lot. Yeah, that's something else.

01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:38.439
They're lucky it didn't break into flames, you

01:47:38.439 --> 01:47:41.829
know. Wow. This next one, I know you might have

01:47:41.829 --> 01:47:44.689
heard of, is a man named Ozzy Osbourne. Yes.

01:47:45.770 --> 01:47:51.489
March 19, 1982 in Leesburg, Florida. Randy Rhodes,

01:47:51.750 --> 01:47:54.550
Andrew Aycock, and makeup artist Rachel Youngblood

01:47:54.550 --> 01:48:01.369
got on the airplane. Aycock was the pilot. And

01:48:01.369 --> 01:48:03.210
they were supposed to fly around and just kind

01:48:03.210 --> 01:48:06.350
of buzz the tour bus and be kind of fun. But

01:48:06.350 --> 01:48:09.380
the plane flipped the tour bus with a wing. It

01:48:09.380 --> 01:48:11.539
could have easily killed Ozzie and Sharon who

01:48:11.539 --> 01:48:14.560
was inside sleeping. But instead it tumbled into

01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.460
the second floor of the house and all three were

01:48:17.460 --> 01:48:20.140
killed. Burst into flames. And that was the pilot

01:48:20.140 --> 01:48:23.119
that Richie Blackmore refused to allow to be

01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:26.500
his pilot. Yeah. No, actually his tour bus. Tour

01:48:26.500 --> 01:48:29.439
bus, yeah. He actually didn't have a pilot's

01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.640
license, but he knew how to play. I think he

01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:34.939
had one before, but he knew how to fly a plane.

01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:38.539
But this is in Bob Daisley's book, for fact's

01:48:38.539 --> 01:48:41.560
sake. And Richie Blackmore would come up there

01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:43.720
and he said, what's this guy? And he goes, well,

01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:46.199
this is our tour bus driver. And he said, no.

01:48:46.380 --> 01:48:48.449
And he's like, well, why not? He goes, no, he

01:48:48.449 --> 01:48:51.149
has a black aura. We can't have him. Yeah. And

01:48:51.149 --> 01:48:52.729
then he said a couple years later, he sees that

01:48:52.729 --> 01:48:56.229
same guy driving for Ozzie. Yeah. And then, you

01:48:56.229 --> 01:49:00.689
know, he got on the plane and boom. But at least

01:49:00.689 --> 01:49:03.229
he took himself out, too, accidentally. Yeah.

01:49:03.569 --> 01:49:06.489
He had the decency to die in his own mess. Yeah,

01:49:06.489 --> 01:49:08.970
yeah. Too bad he took such a phenomenal player

01:49:08.970 --> 01:49:13.350
and the innocent lady, too. Yeah. And that's

01:49:13.350 --> 01:49:15.289
the other thing, too, is he somehow convinced

01:49:15.289 --> 01:49:17.890
Randy Rhodes, who was... Deathly afraid of airplanes.

01:49:17.890 --> 01:49:22.229
Yeah. To get on this airplane, too. Yeah. Next

01:49:22.229 --> 01:49:26.770
up, we have Leonard Skinner. October 20th, 1977,

01:49:27.170 --> 01:49:32.729
a Convair CV240 passenger aircraft ran out of

01:49:32.729 --> 01:49:36.550
fuel on its way to their destination. It crashed

01:49:36.550 --> 01:49:39.069
into a wooded area near Gillsburg, Mississippi.

01:49:39.550 --> 01:49:42.510
And the whole rumor on that was that the wrecker

01:49:42.510 --> 01:49:45.689
company... had someone take out some of the fuel

01:49:45.689 --> 01:49:47.609
because they wanted to sell more records, but

01:49:47.609 --> 01:49:50.470
I don't believe that. No. Well, I don't know.

01:49:50.810 --> 01:49:53.149
You know, it's believable, but I don't think

01:49:53.149 --> 01:49:55.510
it was on that one. Yeah. They were flying from

01:49:55.510 --> 01:49:57.869
Greensville, South Carolina, to Baton Rouge,

01:49:57.989 --> 01:50:00.090
Louisiana, and they crashed near Baton Rouge.

01:50:00.470 --> 01:50:02.989
Like most planes, they got most of the way to

01:50:02.989 --> 01:50:06.529
their destination. Yeah. Lead vocalist Ronnie

01:50:06.529 --> 01:50:10.329
Van Zandt. But guitarist and vocalist Steve Gaines,

01:50:10.470 --> 01:50:13.289
backing vocalist Cassie Gaines, who was the older

01:50:13.289 --> 01:50:15.949
sister of Steve, and assistant road manager Dean

01:50:15.949 --> 01:50:18.909
Kilpatrick, Captain Walter McCreary, and first

01:50:18.909 --> 01:50:21.149
officer William John Gray all died as a result

01:50:21.149 --> 01:50:26.250
of the crash, while 20 others survived. That's

01:50:26.250 --> 01:50:28.409
good to know that Lonnie was the original singer

01:50:28.409 --> 01:50:31.010
and Johnny Van Zandt was the replacement singer,

01:50:31.149 --> 01:50:36.090
his cousin, a couple years later. So, okay. This

01:50:36.090 --> 01:50:42.520
was like... Two days after releasing their album,

01:50:42.640 --> 01:50:45.760
Street Survivors, they got on the airplane and

01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:51.640
it crashed. When the pilots realized that the

01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:54.520
plane had insufficient fuel, the pilots attempted

01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:56.920
to navigate to Macomb Airport, about 10 miles

01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:00.380
northeast of the eventual crash site in Amite

01:51:00.380 --> 01:51:02.979
County, Mississippi. Then they realized they

01:51:02.979 --> 01:51:04.779
wouldn't make it there either. As a last result,

01:51:04.899 --> 01:51:06.840
they attempted an emergency landing in an open

01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.909
field. about 300 yards from where the plane eventually

01:51:09.909 --> 01:51:15.029
went down. Despite their efforts, the plane skimmed

01:51:15.029 --> 01:51:17.369
along about 100 yards along the tops of the trees

01:51:17.369 --> 01:51:19.810
before smashing into a large tree and splitting

01:51:19.810 --> 01:51:23.350
into pieces. At some point, the passengers became

01:51:23.350 --> 01:51:25.449
aware there was something wrong, and our drummer,

01:51:25.550 --> 01:51:27.649
Artemis Pyle, recalled walking up and entering

01:51:27.649 --> 01:51:30.550
the flight deck and being told by the terrified

01:51:30.550 --> 01:51:33.920
captain. Go back and strap yourself in. We're

01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:38.439
going down. Wouldn't that scare the snot out

01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:42.319
of you? With the gravity of the situation becoming

01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:44.699
clear, the passengers sat in silence, some of

01:51:44.699 --> 01:51:47.199
them praying. Guitarist Gary Washington recalled

01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:49.819
hearing what sounded like hundreds of baseball

01:51:49.819 --> 01:51:52.159
bats hitting the plane. And that was when they

01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:55.750
were crashing into the trees. and the sound got

01:51:55.750 --> 01:51:58.689
louder and louder until he was knocked unconscious,

01:51:58.689 --> 01:52:01.829
and he woke sometime later on the ground with

01:52:01.829 --> 01:52:08.750
the plane's door on top of him. Wow! Most of

01:52:08.750 --> 01:52:10.510
the survivors were seated toward the back of

01:52:10.510 --> 01:52:14.210
the plane. All of the survivors were seriously

01:52:14.210 --> 01:52:19.010
injured, but not... immediately aware of the

01:52:19.010 --> 01:52:21.729
fatalities. Rossington wasn't told until days

01:52:21.729 --> 01:52:23.909
later by his mother that Ronnie Van Zandt had

01:52:23.909 --> 01:52:27.609
been killed. Ooh. Yeah. They often do that, though.

01:52:27.670 --> 01:52:29.489
Whenever someone's getting better, they don't

01:52:29.489 --> 01:52:31.289
tell you until later. They're just like, well,

01:52:31.329 --> 01:52:33.569
we'll talk to that later, you know, or whatever,

01:52:33.689 --> 01:52:36.310
just try to get by it. Then it doesn't impede

01:52:36.310 --> 01:52:39.939
in your recovery. Yes. It was discovered later

01:52:39.939 --> 01:52:42.039
that the very same aircraft had earlier been

01:52:42.039 --> 01:52:44.420
inspected by the members of Aerosmith's flight

01:52:44.420 --> 01:52:46.579
crew for possible use in their Draw the Line

01:52:46.579 --> 01:52:48.739
tour, but was rejected because it was felt that

01:52:48.739 --> 01:52:51.239
neither the plane nor the crew were up to standard.

01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:54.960
Aerosmith's assistant chief of flight operations,

01:52:55.060 --> 01:52:59.079
Zunk Bucher, told of observing the pilots McCreary

01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:01.439
and Grace sharing a bottle of Jack Daniels while

01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:05.489
he and his father inspected the plane. Wow. Yeah.

01:53:05.630 --> 01:53:07.649
So you see your pilot and co -pilot over there

01:53:07.649 --> 01:53:09.750
boozing it up. Yeah, I'm not getting on that

01:53:09.750 --> 01:53:12.890
plane. Yeah, nope. And also they couldn't even

01:53:12.890 --> 01:53:14.810
figure out how much fuel to put in the damn thing.

01:53:15.289 --> 01:53:18.149
And then Aerosmith's touring family were quite

01:53:18.149 --> 01:53:20.689
shaken after receiving word of the crash as Steven

01:53:20.689 --> 01:53:23.489
Tyler and Joe Perry had pressured their management

01:53:23.489 --> 01:53:26.609
into renting that specific plane for use on their

01:53:26.609 --> 01:53:29.649
tour. and Scottish rock band Nazareth were touring

01:53:29.649 --> 01:53:31.850
with Skinner at the time of the crash, narrowly

01:53:31.850 --> 01:53:34.829
avoiding being on the plane themselves. Okay.

01:53:35.850 --> 01:53:39.069
Pete Agnew explained Artemis Pyle had lived in

01:53:39.069 --> 01:53:40.949
Greenville, where the plane took off from, and

01:53:40.949 --> 01:53:43.090
was having a barbecue. They'd invited us along

01:53:43.090 --> 01:53:46.210
and then on to the next gig with them. But we'd

01:53:46.210 --> 01:53:49.050
seen their plane, which looked like duct tape

01:53:49.050 --> 01:53:53.340
airlines. The fabricating excuse of doing some

01:53:53.340 --> 01:53:56.000
promo was ultimately used as the way to get out

01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:57.939
of attending, but Leonard Skinner's road crew,

01:53:58.000 --> 01:53:59.939
under the mistaken impression that Nazareth had

01:53:59.939 --> 01:54:02.720
gone on to the barbecue, announced that Nazareth,

01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:08.640
too, were among the fatalities. Oh. Oh. Vocalist

01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:11.020
Dan McCafferty said, at the next gig when I phoned

01:54:11.020 --> 01:54:13.760
my wife, she burst into tears with relief. Oh,

01:54:13.899 --> 01:54:20.000
wow. Now, that doomed flight was going to be

01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:21.439
the last one they were going to take on that

01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:23.359
plane. They were done with it after that point.

01:54:24.420 --> 01:54:26.720
All the members of the band said, we were flying

01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:28.680
in a plane that looked like it belonged to the

01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:32.659
Clampett family on Beverly Hillbillies. The band

01:54:32.659 --> 01:54:34.619
had decided their status as one of the world's

01:54:34.619 --> 01:54:37.420
top rock acts warranted an upgrade. The band

01:54:37.420 --> 01:54:39.920
had planned on acquiring a Learjet after arriving

01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:42.220
in Baton Rouge to replace the 30 -year -old plane

01:54:42.220 --> 01:54:44.560
they were flying in, which all in the band's

01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:48.239
circle agreed was well past its prime. The aircraft

01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:53.739
was owned and operated by L &J Company, but the

01:54:53.739 --> 01:54:56.319
paperwork that Lynyrd Skynyrd signed to lease

01:54:56.319 --> 01:54:58.140
the plane, which they leased for three weeks,

01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:01.340
specified that Lynyrd Skynyrd was considered

01:55:01.340 --> 01:55:04.859
the operator, therefore was completely and 100

01:55:04.859 --> 01:55:07.819
% legally responsible for everything. Oh, wow.

01:55:08.060 --> 01:55:09.960
And they didn't know that they'd signed that,

01:55:10.060 --> 01:55:13.439
but the owners of the plane knew they had a death

01:55:13.439 --> 01:55:16.760
trap, knew that the flight crew was awful. So

01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:19.439
they were pawning off responsibility onto the

01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:21.399
people renting the plane. So they got nothing

01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:23.539
out of it. No chance to sue anybody. All they

01:55:23.539 --> 01:55:26.979
could do was sue themselves. Wow. What good would

01:55:26.979 --> 01:55:32.560
that do? Wow. So the NTSB investigated, and they

01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:34.699
said the cause of the accident was fuel exhaustion

01:55:34.699 --> 01:55:37.220
and total loss of power from both engines due

01:55:37.220 --> 01:55:41.680
to crew inattention of fuel supply. Contributing

01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:43.779
to the fuel exhaustion were inadequate flight

01:55:43.779 --> 01:55:48.930
planning. And one of the right engine had been

01:55:48.930 --> 01:55:51.789
malfunctioning for days where it was running

01:55:51.789 --> 01:55:54.590
really hot and wasting fuel, and they didn't

01:55:54.590 --> 01:55:57.250
take that into account. So if they'd fixed that

01:55:57.250 --> 01:55:59.109
right engine, they probably would have had enough

01:55:59.109 --> 01:56:02.149
fuel to get where they're going and land. Mickey

01:56:02.149 --> 01:56:07.210
Mouse. Yep. Wow. What a waste. A lot of Leonard

01:56:07.210 --> 01:56:10.479
Skinner members. say that they still blame management

01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:12.739
for cheaping out on that piece of shit airplane

01:56:12.739 --> 01:56:16.199
to the lousy crew and insisting that they use

01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:20.180
it for the full three weeks. I think they got

01:56:20.180 --> 01:56:25.739
a point. Is that all of them? Yeah, we'll see

01:56:25.739 --> 01:56:29.979
it. I asked AI to explain the crooked concert

01:56:29.979 --> 01:56:33.260
industry. We've talked about this several times.

01:56:33.340 --> 01:56:35.039
It brought up some points I didn't even think

01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:38.640
of. But we've spoke about this often. So I'm

01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:40.819
going to go into what AI thinks of the crooked

01:56:40.819 --> 01:56:45.520
concert industry. The term crooked industry in

01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:47.819
the context of concerts refers to long -standing

01:56:47.819 --> 01:56:53.159
accusations of anti -competitive and monopolistic

01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.840
practices primarily aimed at the live nation

01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:59.079
ticketmaster conglomerate. In other words, a

01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:02.600
dynasty. Yeah. Allegedly. Price -fixing, destroying

01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:05.439
competition. Yep, this is all allegedly, but

01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:08.060
I mean, you could... You can look and draw your

01:57:08.060 --> 01:57:10.880
own conclusion, that's for sure. These issues

01:57:10.880 --> 01:57:12.640
have been the subject of fan outrage, political

01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:15.399
scrutiny, and a recent major federal lawsuit.

01:57:16.319 --> 01:57:18.760
Yeah, I should probably get $2 billion back for

01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:22.840
those motherfuckers. No kidding. Okay, monopolistic

01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:25.760
control. The U .S. Department of Justice... As

01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:27.739
sued Live Nation, the parent company and ticket

01:57:27.739 --> 01:57:30.140
master alleged an illegal monopoly over live

01:57:30.140 --> 01:57:33.239
events industry. The lawsuit claims Live Nation

01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:36.619
uses power to stifle competition, control venues,

01:57:36.899 --> 01:57:39.560
and ultimately drive up prices for consumers.

01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:43.000
Sound about like the NFL, don't they? Yeah, pretty

01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.340
much. Yeah, I call bullshit. That's exactly what

01:57:45.340 --> 01:57:47.800
I called them. I called them the other NFL. It

01:57:47.800 --> 01:57:50.140
seems like that's the business model. It is.

01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:53.909
Yeah, it is. Yeah. And never give anybody's money

01:57:53.909 --> 01:57:56.409
back. No. Never. It's in a pool right here. You

01:57:56.409 --> 01:57:58.329
got your money. It's right. No, it isn't. Airlines

01:57:58.329 --> 01:58:01.170
do that, too. They never refund. They say, oh,

01:58:01.210 --> 01:58:02.710
well, we'll give you credit towards another airline.

01:58:02.710 --> 01:58:05.069
Here's your voucher. Yeah. It's like, what if

01:58:05.069 --> 01:58:07.449
I don't want to fly again? Yeah. Well, that's

01:58:07.449 --> 01:58:09.770
up to you. Yeah. But they're never giving your

01:58:09.770 --> 01:58:12.689
money back. That's bullshit. Yeah. And if Congress

01:58:12.689 --> 01:58:14.270
really wanted to do something, they would go

01:58:14.270 --> 01:58:17.640
after them and the other... corporations that

01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:19.039
do that, that keep your money and don't give

01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:21.279
it back. And then you also, like your dentist

01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:24.260
or your doctor, whenever they overcharge you

01:58:24.260 --> 01:58:26.399
accidentally, oh, do you want to keep it for

01:58:26.399 --> 01:58:31.399
credit? No, I want it in my pocket. Of course,

01:58:31.399 --> 01:58:33.560
the concert industry and the airline industry

01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:36.020
are getting away with it because they use some

01:58:36.020 --> 01:58:37.899
of that money they're not giving back to pay

01:58:37.899 --> 01:58:42.039
off the politicians to pass friendly laws. And

01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:43.739
it's never going to change. No, it's not. I don't

01:58:43.739 --> 01:58:45.779
think so. Ticketmaster has long been criticized

01:58:45.779 --> 01:58:49.439
for dynamic pricing and the addition of numerous

01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:52.300
service fees, which significantly increase the

01:58:52.300 --> 01:58:54.840
final ticket cost beyond the initial face value.

01:58:55.140 --> 01:58:58.340
Yes, we know this. And the dynamic pricing is

01:58:58.340 --> 01:59:02.539
nothing more than, oh, it's popular. Let's triple

01:59:02.539 --> 01:59:05.119
the tickets. Yeah. Let's triple the price. It's

01:59:05.119 --> 01:59:07.550
complete bullshit. Yeah. Live Nation operates

01:59:07.550 --> 01:59:10.930
as a vertically integrated company handling artist

01:59:10.930 --> 01:59:13.189
management, event promotion, and ticketing. So

01:59:13.189 --> 01:59:16.149
they've got the whole thing. This flywheel business

01:59:16.149 --> 01:59:18.449
model is alleged to create conflicts of interest,

01:59:18.510 --> 01:59:20.470
allowing the company to leverage its dominance

01:59:20.470 --> 01:59:24.850
in one area, which would be the ticketing, to

01:59:24.850 --> 01:59:26.729
pressure other parts of the industry, venues,

01:59:26.909 --> 01:59:29.229
and artists into bad deals, which they have been.

01:59:29.430 --> 01:59:31.710
And that's why a lot of concerts that could have

01:59:31.710 --> 01:59:35.399
went off did not is because of this. That's something

01:59:35.399 --> 01:59:37.319
important to remember is in business school,

01:59:37.439 --> 01:59:39.659
they don't teach you how to run a successful

01:59:39.659 --> 01:59:43.159
business. They tell you how to manipulate and

01:59:43.159 --> 01:59:47.739
steal and con and dig and do all sorts of nasty

01:59:47.739 --> 01:59:52.699
stuff to make... Your business isn't succeeding

01:59:52.699 --> 01:59:55.060
on its own. You're just doing a lot of illegal

01:59:55.060 --> 01:59:57.920
stuff behind the scenes to destroy your competition

01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:01.279
or coerce people into giving you too much, etc.,

02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:04.710
etc. So the whole... business college, business

02:00:04.710 --> 02:00:07.930
school attitude is teaching people how to break

02:00:07.930 --> 02:00:10.970
the law, do it effectively, make a bunch of money,

02:00:11.050 --> 02:00:12.670
and as long as you're making money, no one's

02:00:12.670 --> 02:00:13.909
going to give a shit that you're breaking the

02:00:13.909 --> 02:00:16.510
law. True. At least nobody that can do anything

02:00:16.510 --> 02:00:18.050
about it is going to give a shit that you're

02:00:18.050 --> 02:00:24.250
breaking the law. True. Yep. Okay. Anyhow, they

02:00:24.250 --> 02:00:26.489
get into bad deals and all that because they

02:00:26.489 --> 02:00:50.399
own the system. All right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

02:00:57.949 --> 02:01:00.449
showing a long -standing pattern of non -transparent

02:01:00.449 --> 02:01:03.029
practices. The ongoing Department of Justice

02:01:03.029 --> 02:01:05.489
lawsuit against Live Nation is expected to be

02:01:05.489 --> 02:01:07.989
a lengthy legal process that could potentially

02:01:07.989 --> 02:01:10.449
reshape how tickets are sold. We can only hope

02:01:10.449 --> 02:01:13.529
in the future with the goal of increasing competition

02:01:13.529 --> 02:01:16.550
and benefiting consumers. And that didn't even

02:01:16.550 --> 02:01:19.310
cover everything. No. But it was a pretty good

02:01:19.310 --> 02:01:22.149
little rundown of the main points. Yeah. But

02:01:22.149 --> 02:01:26.930
I could put 20 more points on here easily. Yeah.

02:01:27.340 --> 02:01:31.159
And the sad fact that the people who have the

02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:34.600
power to regulate and control the live music

02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:37.880
industry are more than happy to just get paid

02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:39.920
off to leave the status quo the way it is. That's

02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:42.699
what they've been doing. They don't care. It's

02:01:42.699 --> 02:01:46.960
not going to change for us. No. Would you like

02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:49.439
to hear about some of the famous mob hangouts

02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:51.699
from the past? Yeah. And what they're doing now?

02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:53.739
Yeah, let's switch it up completely different.

02:01:53.819 --> 02:01:55.939
That sounds good. We're hitting two hours here.

02:01:55.979 --> 02:01:57.819
We're pretty long on the podcast, though. Okay.

02:01:58.899 --> 02:02:01.619
Some of these you've heard about in movies. The

02:02:01.619 --> 02:02:06.060
Ravenite Social Club. For 66 years, used at the

02:02:06.060 --> 02:02:08.560
headquarters of the Gambino crime family. And

02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:10.319
that was where John Gotti was holding court.

02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:13.779
He was using the apartment upstairs to hold a

02:02:13.779 --> 02:02:16.579
number of his sensitive conversations. When the

02:02:16.579 --> 02:02:18.539
FBI figured that out, they bugged that one too.

02:02:18.699 --> 02:02:21.239
And it was the recordings they made at the Ravenite

02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:25.720
Club that took down Gotti. Did they get him for

02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.319
tax evasion or actually racketeering? They actually

02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.699
got him for murder. Oh, for murder. Yeah, because

02:02:30.699 --> 02:02:33.979
he was talking over and over about, you know,

02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:35.739
we're going to have this guy killed and we had

02:02:35.739 --> 02:02:38.659
that guy killed. Yeah, he got too cocky. Yeah.

02:02:38.659 --> 02:02:40.680
And the rest of the mob didn't care for that.

02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:44.020
He was flashy, flamboyant. He made no bones about

02:02:44.020 --> 02:02:46.399
what he did for a living. And he was the big

02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.380
dog and he thought it was cool. And he liked

02:02:48.380 --> 02:02:51.340
to look good and dress flashy. He wanted to be

02:02:51.340 --> 02:02:53.760
famous as a mob boss. Yeah, and everyone else

02:02:53.760 --> 02:02:57.439
is like, hey, remember this doesn't exist? Yeah.

02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:03.279
Now it's a men's clothing store. Ironically called

02:03:03.279 --> 02:03:08.640
Descendant of Thieves. That's a pretty good name.

02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:10.699
Depends on how you look at it. Yeah. Yeah, it

02:03:10.699 --> 02:03:12.960
could be a business opportunity. Could be. You

02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:16.170
could look at it like that. I mean, Life Nation.

02:03:16.390 --> 02:03:20.710
Yeah. Anyhow, go ahead. Up next, the Gemini Lounge.

02:03:20.890 --> 02:03:23.529
Roy DeMeo, also of the Gambino crime family,

02:03:23.569 --> 02:03:25.670
did hundreds of murders in the apartment behind.

02:03:25.930 --> 02:03:28.470
Remember hearing of Murder Incorporated? Yeah.

02:03:28.569 --> 02:03:31.130
That was DeMeo's crew. Oh, I didn't know that.

02:03:31.250 --> 02:03:34.449
If the mob wanted somebody gone, they'd snatch

02:03:34.449 --> 02:03:36.369
him up, they'd kill him, they'd take him to the

02:03:36.369 --> 02:03:39.829
apartment and hang him in the shower upside down

02:03:39.829 --> 02:03:42.180
and drain the blood from him. and then chop the

02:03:42.180 --> 02:03:44.520
body up into pieces, wrap them up in garbage

02:03:44.520 --> 02:03:47.180
bags and boxes and things, and take them all

02:03:47.180 --> 02:03:50.039
out to the dump, which the mob also controlled.

02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:51.880
The dump, yeah. The dump, yeah. They had the

02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:53.319
trash in the dump. Yeah, it was one of the main

02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:56.399
reasons that the mob got into waste management

02:03:56.399 --> 02:03:58.619
is because it's a great place to dispose of stuff.

02:03:58.619 --> 02:04:03.520
A great way to waste people. Yeah. It's now the

02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:09.449
Purpose Life Church. Okay. I'd say that's about

02:04:09.449 --> 02:04:11.609
the only thing that could probably sanctify that

02:04:11.609 --> 02:04:14.289
building after all the ghosts that are in it.

02:04:14.350 --> 02:04:17.289
I wonder if the parishioners, if they know. Probably

02:04:17.289 --> 02:04:22.789
not. Probably not. Wow. The Bergen Hunting Fish

02:04:22.789 --> 02:04:26.869
Club. Gambino again. This was the place used

02:04:26.869 --> 02:04:28.949
before Gotti moved them all to the Ravenite.

02:04:29.090 --> 02:04:32.149
Oh, yeah. It was abandoned by the Gambinos in

02:04:32.149 --> 02:04:36.869
2005. And it's now split into two businesses

02:04:36.869 --> 02:04:38.750
now. One's a Christian church, and the other

02:04:38.750 --> 02:04:45.189
is a bubble tea shop. It's so funny, the follow

02:04:45.189 --> 02:04:48.569
-ups to all of this stuff. It's like, how did...

02:04:48.569 --> 02:04:54.409
Anyhow, go ahead. Okay, next up we have the...

02:04:54.409 --> 02:04:56.170
God has a sense of humor. Yes, he does. That's

02:04:56.170 --> 02:04:59.689
what it is. Yes, he does. The Wimpy Boys Social

02:04:59.689 --> 02:05:04.970
Club was the Columbo family. Greg Scarpa held

02:05:04.970 --> 02:05:09.289
court there. Scarpa was a really evil piece of

02:05:09.289 --> 02:05:12.890
crap. He was really evil. He actually was an

02:05:12.890 --> 02:05:17.170
informer for the FBI, but was playing them to

02:05:17.170 --> 02:05:19.250
eliminate his rivals. Kind of the same thing

02:05:19.250 --> 02:05:22.329
that happened in Donnie Roscoe. Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:05:22.409 --> 02:05:24.409
Or no, not Donnie Roscoe. It was the one about

02:05:24.409 --> 02:05:27.029
Whitey Bulger. Oh, yeah. What the hell was the

02:05:27.029 --> 02:05:31.850
name of that? It was Johnny Depp. Yeah. Black

02:05:31.850 --> 02:05:35.409
Mass. Yeah. Okay, so in Black Mass, Whitey Bulger

02:05:35.409 --> 02:05:37.229
was doing the same thing. He was feeding the

02:05:37.229 --> 02:05:40.310
FBI information to keep them off his back, but

02:05:40.310 --> 02:05:42.430
only feeding them information to take care of

02:05:42.430 --> 02:05:44.689
the gangs he wanted to. I think that was a common

02:05:44.689 --> 02:05:46.729
practice. Yeah, Scarfoot was doing the same thing.

02:05:46.949 --> 02:05:49.810
Okay. Which is brilliant if you think about it.

02:05:49.850 --> 02:05:52.229
Oh, yeah. Because they have something that they

02:05:52.229 --> 02:05:54.189
can go back to the rest of them with and go,

02:05:54.270 --> 02:05:56.770
hey, I got this. And nobody's really worried

02:05:56.770 --> 02:05:58.750
about whoever's being left out. They're like,

02:05:58.869 --> 02:06:00.729
hey, look what I scored. Look what I got. Look

02:06:00.729 --> 02:06:02.770
what I did. And since you're doing it under the

02:06:02.770 --> 02:06:05.409
supervision of the FBI, you can't be prosecuted

02:06:05.409 --> 02:06:08.289
for any of it. Yeah, it's just like this kind

02:06:08.289 --> 02:06:09.569
of struck me, and I'm going to talk about it

02:06:09.569 --> 02:06:12.270
tonight, is at Walmart the other day. You know

02:06:12.270 --> 02:06:15.029
my famous receipt fiasco? Well, they have another

02:06:15.029 --> 02:06:17.250
person there now. They took him off of it, or

02:06:17.250 --> 02:06:20.109
he quit or got fired or something. And I walk

02:06:20.109 --> 02:06:22.710
up there, and I go, I had an email to me. And

02:06:22.710 --> 02:06:27.149
she goes, well, get on your phone. No. And she

02:06:27.149 --> 02:06:29.550
goes, no, no, no. She goes, just act like you're

02:06:29.550 --> 02:06:31.630
showing me something so it'll stay off my ass.

02:06:31.850 --> 02:06:35.109
Ah. And I said, okay, sure. Here. Thank you.

02:06:35.130 --> 02:06:38.630
Bye. Good job. Yep. Good job. Excellent. When

02:06:38.630 --> 02:06:40.729
the employees themselves are just giving lip

02:06:40.729 --> 02:06:42.369
service to the rules that you know you got it

02:06:42.369 --> 02:06:44.489
made. Yeah, I know. And she wasn't interested

02:06:44.489 --> 02:06:46.649
in that. She knew that it was bullshit that they

02:06:46.649 --> 02:06:49.529
were doing that. But anyhow. So anyway, Greg

02:06:49.529 --> 02:06:52.569
Scarpa's Weeby Boys Social Club is now a private

02:06:52.569 --> 02:06:56.909
home. I'm sure they probably read that on the

02:06:56.909 --> 02:06:59.470
disclosure. I would think you'd have to disclose

02:06:59.470 --> 02:07:02.989
something like that. The Triangle Civic Improvement

02:07:02.989 --> 02:07:06.310
Association was a Genovese family street office.

02:07:07.289 --> 02:07:09.789
It was used for low -level crime, loan shark

02:07:09.789 --> 02:07:13.350
collections, not really meetings between the

02:07:13.350 --> 02:07:16.989
bosses. It was more the soldiers and the capos.

02:07:18.029 --> 02:07:20.909
It's now been brusted up into apartments. Oh,

02:07:20.930 --> 02:07:25.329
wow. Kind of another theme going on. Yeah. The

02:07:25.329 --> 02:07:28.390
churches or apartments. Yeah. The Palma Boys

02:07:28.390 --> 02:07:31.689
Social Club was the Genovese family headquarters

02:07:31.689 --> 02:07:36.369
in East Harlem. It was eventually abandoned when

02:07:36.369 --> 02:07:38.869
all the Italian families started moving out of

02:07:38.869 --> 02:07:43.050
Harlem. And there really wasn't a reason to be

02:07:43.050 --> 02:07:46.710
a big mob presence there anymore. Yeah. So now,

02:07:46.810 --> 02:07:49.989
at this point, it's kind of difficult to pinpoint

02:07:49.989 --> 02:07:54.439
exactly where it was. So it's either been remodeled

02:07:54.439 --> 02:07:57.199
or demolished and replaced, but nobody's exactly

02:07:57.199 --> 02:08:01.399
sure exactly where it was located. I got a question.

02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:04.979
I doubt it by the magnitude of the people that

02:08:04.979 --> 02:08:08.659
are on here. But what we'll actually know, we

02:08:08.659 --> 02:08:11.199
had a huge circuit around here that connected

02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:14.720
to everything, Chicago, Vegas, New York. Was

02:08:14.720 --> 02:08:16.819
the trap mentioned? Just right down from where

02:08:16.819 --> 02:08:19.539
we're at right now, the trap is where the Sabellas

02:08:19.539 --> 02:08:22.000
held court. Oh, that didn't make my list. These

02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:24.920
are all New York. Okay. Well, the trap, there's

02:08:24.920 --> 02:08:27.819
nothing there, which drives me nuts. There should

02:08:27.819 --> 02:08:31.100
be something there. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but anyhow,

02:08:31.180 --> 02:08:35.640
go ahead. Let's see. Talley's Bar. It's the Gambino

02:08:35.640 --> 02:08:37.699
family again. They apparently had lots of clubs.

02:08:37.800 --> 02:08:42.659
Their last name was Wacker. This was in South

02:08:42.659 --> 02:08:44.960
Brooklyn. It was a meeting spot in the 70s and

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:49.250
80s for low -level soldiers. etc. It's now been

02:08:49.250 --> 02:08:51.170
demolished and new construction over the top

02:08:51.170 --> 02:08:56.409
of it. Okay. The Motion Lounge owned by Bonanno

02:08:56.409 --> 02:09:00.930
Capo Dominic Sunny Black Napolitano. I've heard

02:09:00.930 --> 02:09:03.909
of Sunny Black. I have too. What a name too.

02:09:04.449 --> 02:09:07.050
This is the place, have you ever seen the movie

02:09:07.050 --> 02:09:09.989
Donnie Brosco? Yeah. The place where they were

02:09:09.989 --> 02:09:12.590
always hanging out. That's the motion lounge.

02:09:12.729 --> 02:09:15.029
That's what they're talking about. Okay. So Joseph

02:09:15.029 --> 02:09:17.649
Pistone infiltrated the family as Donnie Brosco,

02:09:17.729 --> 02:09:20.310
spent the bulk of his time there in that building,

02:09:20.390 --> 02:09:24.250
building his case and his cover story. After

02:09:24.250 --> 02:09:29.909
Pistone was pulled in 1981, Napolitano closed

02:09:29.909 --> 02:09:37.829
the motion lounge. And then he got a call. Sonny

02:09:37.829 --> 02:09:40.010
Black got a call from the big guys in the commission

02:09:40.010 --> 02:09:42.890
and said, you need to come over for a meeting.

02:09:43.270 --> 02:09:48.229
Oh! So before he went over to the meeting, he

02:09:48.229 --> 02:09:52.270
gave away all of his stuff, and he told his capos,

02:09:52.329 --> 02:09:54.310
divide all my stuff, man, I ain't coming back.

02:09:55.069 --> 02:09:59.210
So he knew it. Yep. He was found dead with his

02:09:59.210 --> 02:10:02.189
hands cut off, which is what they do when you

02:10:02.189 --> 02:10:04.989
shake in the hand of the devil, i .e. law enforcement.

02:10:05.270 --> 02:10:08.840
Okay. This place where the Motion Lounge was

02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:12.000
is now residential apartments with a hipster

02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:14.739
coffee shop on the ground floor. That's what

02:10:14.739 --> 02:10:18.079
I want in a trap. That's what I want to do in

02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:21.500
a trap is a hipster fucking coffee house. I think

02:10:21.500 --> 02:10:23.100
that would be great. They could have all the

02:10:23.100 --> 02:10:25.140
memorabilia up there and everything could happen.

02:10:25.579 --> 02:10:28.119
That's just so awesome. I mean, after all, that

02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:32.560
is where he got busted at. Over the Super Bowl

02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:36.420
with Len Dawson. He's calling people from his

02:10:36.420 --> 02:10:39.760
actual headquarters going, hey, hey, wait a minute,

02:10:39.779 --> 02:10:41.579
man, all this information is bad. And they're

02:10:41.579 --> 02:10:46.180
like, okay, we got him on this. Yep. All right,

02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:48.720
the Roberts Lounge. This was a Lucchese family

02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:52.020
hangout. It was made famous in the movie Goodfellas.

02:10:52.300 --> 02:10:54.420
Remember when everyone was hanging out at the

02:10:54.420 --> 02:10:57.520
bar? In the movie, it was Jimmy Conway, played

02:10:57.520 --> 02:11:00.659
by Robert De Niro. In real life, his name was

02:11:00.659 --> 02:11:02.460
Jimmy Burke, but the family wouldn't give the

02:11:02.460 --> 02:11:04.340
movie permission to use the Burke name unless

02:11:04.340 --> 02:11:06.779
they paid. So they said, screw you, we'll change

02:11:06.779 --> 02:11:10.159
it to Conway. because he liked to hijack trucks,

02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:13.500
and Conway was a trucking line that he stole

02:11:13.500 --> 02:11:18.000
from mostly. Anyway, it was the base for Jimmy

02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:22.680
Burke, and after the Lufthansa heist in 78, where

02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:25.279
they stole $5 million in cash and $1 million

02:11:25.279 --> 02:11:28.899
in jewels, the largest cash robbery in history,

02:11:29.060 --> 02:11:33.579
at least at that point. Following that, Burke

02:11:33.579 --> 02:11:35.819
was so paranoid that somebody was going to rat

02:11:35.819 --> 02:11:38.000
him out that he started killing off absolutely

02:11:38.000 --> 02:11:42.899
everybody that helped him in that robbery. Boy,

02:11:43.420 --> 02:11:46.180
that's shrewd. But ironically, Henry Hill, the

02:11:46.180 --> 02:11:48.520
guy played by Ray Liotta. Hank Hill's brother.

02:11:48.680 --> 02:11:52.880
Yeah. He wasn't directly involved in the robbery.

02:11:52.979 --> 02:11:55.000
He just introduced a couple of people. So he

02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:57.680
didn't get whacked. Oh, wow. But he was the one

02:11:57.680 --> 02:11:59.520
who eventually ratted on him. Ratted on him.

02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:03.140
How ironic is that? That's pretty good. Yeah.

02:12:04.619 --> 02:12:08.100
The building closed in the 1980s and sat empty

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:11.039
for decades because nobody wanted to touch it.

02:12:11.100 --> 02:12:12.859
And then eventually it was demolished and new

02:12:12.859 --> 02:12:15.399
construction on top. Did you realize how this

02:12:15.399 --> 02:12:19.439
illustrates the downfall of the bomb? Yep. More

02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:21.260
and more ratting on each other. More and more

02:12:21.260 --> 02:12:23.060
ratting on each other. And pretty soon there's

02:12:23.060 --> 02:12:25.020
too many cracks in the foundation and it crumbles.

02:12:25.199 --> 02:12:28.420
Yep. So, yeah. The rot from within eventually

02:12:28.420 --> 02:12:31.500
gets most institutions. Yeah, what really kept

02:12:31.500 --> 02:12:34.119
them in the game for so long was that right there.

02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:40.920
No one knew anything. Yeah. Then you had... It

02:12:40.920 --> 02:12:43.619
was the guy from the Colombo family who started

02:12:43.619 --> 02:12:47.079
the Italian -American Anti -Defamation League.

02:12:47.340 --> 02:12:52.000
Boston or something like that. Damn, his names

02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:54.500
are on the tip of my tongue. But he was calling

02:12:54.500 --> 02:12:58.300
way too much attention. Yes, it actually backfired

02:12:58.300 --> 02:13:00.479
on him because people were starting to go, wait

02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:04.420
a minute, what about this? What about that? Forget

02:13:04.420 --> 02:13:09.520
it. People tend to think that Gotti was the first

02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:12.159
one who really took the cover off, but no, it

02:13:12.159 --> 02:13:15.500
was this guy. That happened around here, wasn't

02:13:15.500 --> 02:13:20.239
it? One of them that came in, a real flashy guy.

02:13:21.210 --> 02:13:23.569
Yeah. Yeah, didn't they talk about it on the

02:13:23.569 --> 02:13:27.550
mob tour that we went on? Yeah, yeah. I remember

02:13:27.550 --> 02:13:31.109
him being a little too out there, a little too

02:13:31.109 --> 02:13:34.210
visible. Yeah, yeah, they didn't like him being

02:13:34.210 --> 02:13:36.890
all flashy and good -looking and garnering all

02:13:36.890 --> 02:13:38.689
this attention. So they're like, you know, we're

02:13:38.689 --> 02:13:39.850
going to have to kill him. We don't like all

02:13:39.850 --> 02:13:42.229
this attention. Yeah, and he had done some things

02:13:42.229 --> 02:13:46.350
that the mob disapproved of. Yeah, that's true.

02:13:46.689 --> 02:13:49.510
He was the one that they brought in one of the

02:13:49.510 --> 02:13:51.850
machine guns used in the Valentine's Day massacre.

02:13:51.970 --> 02:13:53.989
Yes. They brought it into Kansas City to use,

02:13:53.989 --> 02:13:56.729
knowing that law enforcement would run the ballistics

02:13:56.729 --> 02:13:58.949
and figure it out. Yeah. Because they wanted

02:13:58.949 --> 02:14:00.810
to make a statement. That was a mission right

02:14:00.810 --> 02:14:04.149
there. It was like, yeah, well, we've got a pretty

02:14:04.149 --> 02:14:06.909
good idea who did this. What do you mean? The

02:14:06.909 --> 02:14:10.369
gun. Pretty cool. And then there's still the,

02:14:10.470 --> 02:14:12.930
there's one bullet hole left. The other one was

02:14:12.930 --> 02:14:16.149
filled in. Unbeknownst to the people that knew

02:14:16.149 --> 02:14:18.210
what it was. And they're like, hey, wait a minute.

02:14:18.310 --> 02:14:19.689
I was like, no, I filled it in. Don't fill that

02:14:19.689 --> 02:14:21.750
one in, asshole. Yeah, this is history. Yeah,

02:14:21.750 --> 02:14:25.750
so. All right, you got any more? I've got a big

02:14:25.750 --> 02:14:28.010
long list of record companies that are defunct

02:14:28.010 --> 02:14:31.189
in the acts that you see. But we've got. Two

02:14:31.189 --> 02:14:32.770
errors in 11 minutes here. Well, save it for

02:14:32.770 --> 02:14:34.750
next time. I think so. Yeah, and I got a Coca

02:14:34.750 --> 02:14:37.210
-Cola story that I'll do next time also. All

02:14:37.210 --> 02:14:40.390
right. Everybody, thank you for listening because,

02:14:40.510 --> 02:14:42.609
man, I mean, our numbers are really reflecting

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it. We appreciate it. Over a million downloads

02:14:44.609 --> 02:14:48.850
for us couple of me, you, and Rob, all us morons

02:14:48.850 --> 02:14:51.109
doing that is just saying a lot. It's amazing.

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We really appreciate you guys spreading the word,

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and go fuck yourself.