Hey, my fellow heavy breeders. This is Dash Riptide.
Your music news. Joe Walsh is selling his guitar
collection. Would be cool if he had a couple
extra G's. Probably hundreds of extra G's. There
will be auction off this February. Google the
site. It's kind of a long web address. And I
would be going on for a long time trying to explain
it to you. Guess the Eagles didn't split any
cash they grabbed with him. Thousands of G's
for their tickets, and they have their old guitar
selling as shit. Kind of sad. Just saying. This
is Gash Riptine, and that was your music news.
If it's too loud, you probably have ear damage,
just like me. Are. The music. Creeps. We. Are.
The music. Creeps. We. Are. Are. Are. Are. I
had to do the RR. I haven't went to that one
in a while. Oh, these are just getting worse,
aren't they? Yes, they are. We love it. Because
that's what we do. I'll let you know that I have
to work hard to make those as awful as possible.
Oh, you do a great job. Thank you. Fantastic.
And I work hard at my stupid voice that I do.
Well, let me see. What I got today is somebody's
internet list of singers who need to retire before
they die on stage. Uh -huh. Female singers who've
lost it, even though female singers generally
hold it together a lot longer than male singers.
Okay. And overlooked drummers. I like that one.
I've got some record labels that are no longer
in existence and who used to be on them. Oh,
very nice. Bands with tragic touring accidents.
Very cool. I bet Metallica's on there. Oh, my
God. They left Metallica off. We'll have to add
them on. They also left off Leonard Skinner and
Buddy Holly. Those are the two biggest. I know.
I think they were trying to go more recent, but
now there are some there from the same time.
Insert concert venues, times that opening act
impressed. And for something a little different,
I have like nine different former mob hangouts,
some of them rather famous from the movies. Oh,
I love that. And what's happened with them and
where they are now. What a great switch up. Okay,
cool. I'm always in the mood for a little organized
crime. All right. I have the real story, supposedly,
between Ozzy and Dio and their rivalry slash
dislike, kind of did like, kind of depend on
the day type of thing. Yeah. Okay. Opening accent
killed it. Favorite indoor venues. Favorite outdoor
venues. Yeah. And the favorite season for an
outdoor amphitheater. Yeah, yeah. I also have
the Crooked Concert Industry described by AI.
Oh, my goodness. Oh, awesome. Oh, look at that.
You guys never fail, I swear. We try to take
care of our people and take care of us. Well,
thank you. We really appreciate it. City Market
Coffee, not only the best coffee around, but
the food is exceptional. It is. Thank you. All
right. Yeah, I went for some fries. Does that
sound good? Yeah. All right. Okay, an onion ring.
Do you want an onion ring or a fry? Let's see,
there's like no really good way to put them in
the middle. Yeah, you can try to do it right
here. Okay, that'll work. Yeah. All right. Okay.
There's a lot to talk about this episode. Yeah,
yep. We may not get through it all, but that's
okay. All right, that's all right. What do you
want to start on? How about some singers that
need to retire before they die on stage? I love
that. Definitely Rob. Yeah, he's in here. The
first one I got up is Rod Stewart. Oh, yeah.
And I believe he said he's touring this year.
He has no voice left. For all these people that
I'm going to list here, if you want, go find
some performance video from 2024, 2025. It's
pretty heartbreaking. Rod Stewart totters around
like a broken old man, which he kind of is. He
is a broken old man, yes. But he looks extremely
lively compared to the next guy, Frankie Valli.
I saw footage of him. He's got like ten people
on stage, backing vocals, musicians, etc. And
they're all dancing and being energetic and smiling.
He's standing there like he's paralyzed. And
his lips barely move. Nothing moves. He just
stands there and every once in a while part of
a line comes out of his mouth. And the rest of
the time, people around him are carrying the
show. He basically whispers instead of singing.
Wow. And then every once in a while, a recorded
backing track will kick in, too. But somebody
is basically using his corpse to make money.
I mean, Frankie Valli, for all intents and purposes,
is already dead. He just hasn't quit moving yet.
So they're doing a Weekend at Bernie's kind of
thing and dragging this poor guy out on stage.
I know. It's really ridiculous and heartbreaking,
honestly. Next up, Bob Dylan. Now, he never had
a good voice. It was always about the passion
and the songwriting. But he's completely a mumble
singer now. He just mumbles. He can't stay focused.
Even all of his big famous songs from the past,
they've all had to be reworked to the point where
they're unrecognizable, or he simply can't do
them. Yeah, yep. It's just sad. Yeah, it is sad.
Too bad. All right, Willie Nelson. I haven't
heard him in a while, but I can believe it. The
footage I saw, he... Absolutely cannot sing anymore.
Nothing that comes out of his mouth is singing.
Wow. It's talking. He talks through them in a
rush. It's like, instead of saying, I got Georgia
on my mind, he's like, I got Georgia on my mind.
He's just, because he's got like maybe half a
lung worth of air. So he can say half a sentence
at a time, and he's got to get the words out
in a hurry. Dude has smoked a lot of weed. He
barely even plays his guitar anymore, which was
a big part of his stage show. That's too bad.
And fans in the comment sections from his concerts
and from watching the videos, they say they are
genuinely afraid that he's going to pass out
at any moment. He just looks like he's on the
verge of collapse. That is sad, Dan. David Coverdale.
Now, he has retired, but he waited too long.
He has no voice left. It's basically unrecognizable.
I honestly think that's why he went ahead and
retired. Probably a lot of his people around
him were like, hey, you know, maybe you ought
to... Or he watched his own performances. Yeah,
there's no energy at all. He's not done. He knows.
And his plastic surgery went bad. He looks like
a mannequin. He doesn't even look like David
Coverdale anymore. He looks like some plastic
mannequin in a storefront window. I would agree.
Okay. Neil Young. Believe it or not, his voice
is actually getting worse. You didn't think it
could get worse. It's actually getting worse.
I'd like to see a comparison of what they call
good into bad. But the telling point here is
he physically cannot do it anymore, and he's
canceling more shows than he's doing. He'll do
a show, maybe two. And it'll wear him out so
much he has to cancel the next four or five.
And you know those people aren't getting refunds.
They're getting credit towards another concert.
Just like the rip -off industry does. Which I
have a problem with. If they gave you money back,
so be it. But they don't. Next up, this is sad.
Paul Simon. That is sad. Yeah. His voice, he's
always had kind of a soft, mellow, easy voice.
But now it's really weak, and it's pitchy like
crazy. He cannot hold a note anymore. He just
can't. Too bad. Yeah. He's also canceling shows
for health reasons. He stripped down the show
and the songs to do a low -energy, low -speed
version of a live act. I mean, all the songs
are about 25 % to 30 % slower. And all of the
higher parts... He doesn't do what the bad king
signalers do. Yeah. Yeah. I got a question real
quick. Yeah. Okay. Do you think that these people
holding on too long, do you think it's an ego
thing and not wanting to let it go, or do you
think it's a money thing? I think it's an ego
thing. I really do, because most of these people
do not need money. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to see
it as a money thing. Yeah, because they're out
there embarrassing themselves so much, like David
Lee Roth. Yeah, and you can't think they're making
much money. on these tours. It looks like an
ego thing. Neil Diamond. Now, he's got an excuse.
He's got Parkinson's. But his voice is really
weak. He's really low energy. He really needs
to give it up. James Taylor. His voice is thin
and shaky and it's almost a whisper. And he does
not put any emotion or feeling into the songs
anymore. I've got a question. Is all of this
disguised? Do they do like backing vocals? A
lot of it's disguised, but a lot of it you can
tell. I mean, they try to cover it with extra
loud backing vocals by having the lead singer
not hold a note for more than about half a second.
We've got a ton of them. Yeah, thank you. We
have to keep our energy level up. Yes, we do.
Even the birds got one. Yeah. But James Taylor
just kind of looks like a bad cover band now.
Are you using this at all? No. Okay. Here's one
that we would be happy to see give it up. Roger
Waters. Oh, God, yeah. That idiot. He has a weak,
warbling voice. He looks like somebody doing
a Roger Waters impersonation when he's on stage.
He's a parody of himself, honestly. Yeah, and
I've watched him sing parts of a few different
songs. He does these cheesy little hip wiggles
and this little smirk. He's got a smarmy Las
Vegas -style delivery. And all of his songs have
been reworked and dumbed down to be something
that he's capable of playing. So when you go
see Roger Waters, you're not going to hear what
you were used to hearing. It's just the weak
version he's capable of. And he looks like somebody's
creepy great uncle who wants to fondle your little
girl. Allegedly. He does look like that, allegedly.
And also, his relentless, relentless trying to
get on his high horse and tell you what you need
to do and what America needs to do. The last
time I saw a foreign celebrity... tried to stick
their nose in that much was either kind of a
toss -up between Bono and Bob Geldof. Bob Geldof
was horrible, too. Bob Geldof was, well, at least
Bob Geldof didn't hide the fact that he hated
America. He openly said, I hate America. America's
awful, America's corrupt, and America needs to
pay a bunch of money to the rest of the world.
But Bono pretended to like America while running
it down and demanding America pay for everything.
When political ideology gets all tangled up with
pop culture, it's either a tool of the state
or a tool of the revolution. Yes. It really can't
be anything else. No, that's pretty much it right
there. And I don't want politics in my music.
No, I don't either. I never have. Shut up and
sing is one of the best statements I've ever
heard. Yeah. Now I've got a similar list of female
singers. Up first we have Madonna. No sex appeal
left. No vocal control. Can't stay on key. She
talks instead of singing. She didn't even try
to sing. She just talks. Yep. And there's heavy
usage of backing tracks. Yep. The clip I saw,
she talked her way through a few lines and then
a recording of herself came on and she forgot
to even move her lips in time with it. I believe
that. Yeah. I completely believe that. Now, this
one hurts, too. Ann Wilson of Heart. Oh. That
does hurt. Yeah. I watched her trying to sing
the song, What About Love? And she was doing
the chorus. What about love? Don't you want some
love? Anyway, she could not hit that note. That's
not that complicated of a note. Yeah. I mean,
she's sitting down on stage because she can't
stand. And she had her face all screwed up like
she was trying to pass a bowling ball out of
her rectum. And straining and pushing as hard
as she could to hit that note. It just barely
got there. I mean, she just barely got to the
note, and it sounded ugly. Oh, my God. That's
too bad. Yeah. But, of course, the fans and the
auditors go, Oh, but it's Ann Wilson. We have
to love her. No, you don't. You get to make up
your mind based on what you see right now. They
cheer David Lee Ross still. Yeah, yeah. It tells
you how fake the fan is. The harmonies with her
sister Nancy used to be a big part of their sound.
They're just not there anymore. Nancy can still
sing and can hold up her end. Just not at all.
Not too bad. Yeah. Cher. She has a lot of backing
tracks, so basically it's karaoke. A lot of the
times the backing vocals take over. She can't
hold notes longer than about a half a second.
You know, like the song Do You Believe in the
Something of Love? Yeah. It comes out of... Just
like that. Just a little tiny bit of each syllable.
Like David Lee Roth is. Yeah. And it's like,
doesn't even sound human. Yeah. Yeah. And really,
is that really good enough? No, it is not. The
problem is, is people buy it. I know. Groups
buy it. That's the problem. Now, I could go see
a band like, let's say Guns N' Roses, right?
Yeah. Because it's not all on Axl. Yeah. And
he still does a reasonably good job. Not as good
as he used to, of course, but okay. That still
can't count because he's let himself go and it's
shown. But there's a lot of bands like that that
you can go see still because the whole show isn't
about them. But on one like Heart or someone
like that, it's really hard to go watch a band
that relied so much on harmonies and the way
that a person sang. And a number of these on
the list are solo artists where they have to
carry the show. They're supposed to carry the
show. A blast from the past, Joni Mitchell. She's
still out there doing her thing. I had no idea.
The band is there playing, but Joni is sitting
in a comfy old grandma chair. She doesn't make
any bones about it. She just comes out and sits
in the chair on stage and sings from her chair.
For all the world, she looks like you're watching
a poor, old, confused woman mumbling to herself
in a nursing home. That's what she looks like.
That's horrible. And everyone around her has
these fake plastic smiles glued onto their faces.
And they're like, oh, she's so lovely. Yes. Oh,
look at all that beauty. Yeah, she's just almost
not even there. It's crazy. That's horrible.
Sad. Stevie Nicks is really losing it. Vocally,
she's about half there, half gone. But all the
physical moves she used to do, the swaying and
the dancing and the twirls and stuff, she totters
around out of balance. And I was genuinely worried
she was going to fall down. Wow. She's still
trying to do it, but she just can't. She starts
to sway, you know, trying to sway and dance,
and she stumbles and has to catch herself. It's
sad. They've lowered the key. on most of her
songs, because she can't hit the high notes anymore.
The songs are, again, slowed down by about a
third, so she has time to catch her breath. Wow.
And the backing vocals take over. There's plenty
of times where she'll just step away from the
mic, and the backing vocals just take over the
lead part and sing for her until she can catch
her breath and come back to the mic. Yeah, no,
I don't like that at all. That's just sad. Yep,
horrible. Sheryl Crow is about the same thing.
No vocal energy. Remember she used to have a
strong, snarky attitude in her voice? No. There's
just nothing there anymore. It's weak and it's
flat. It doesn't even sound like her. It sounds
like she's singing to herself and not really
trying very hard. Believable. And all the defiance
and the passion is just gone. She has very slow
and low energy shows. That's a common thing is
they're all very low energy and slow down shows.
Excuse me. Not worth the money to me. Debbie
Harry is also out there. I didn't realize Blondie
was still playing. Now, they've lost their drummer.
Is she Deborah Harry now, or is she Blondie still?
They seem to say that she's touring as Blondie,
but the guitar player's gone and the drummer's
gone, so it's not really Blondie anymore. Deborah
Harry featuring Blondie. Blondie featuring Deborah.
That kind of thing. But there's no passion. The
vocals are thin. Again, they slowed everything
down. Her energy is managed. Like, they'll do
one up -tempo song, and then they'll do a couple
slow ones. And then she's ready to do one up
-tempo song again. It's just bad. She's very
pitchy. She cannot stay on the same note. Yep.
And then I think the one that actually was the
worst of all is Joan Jett. It was really awful.
Oh, that's too bad because she was so good. Very
thin, weak voice. She can't sing or snarl or
rasp or anything like that anymore. When it comes
to the chorus of, like, I Love Rock and Roll,
she wasn't singing. She was just shouting in
a hoarse voice and not even trying to hit a note.
That's too bad. Was everybody singing with her?
Yeah. And she was just rushing through the words
because, again, she can't hold more than... Half
a lung full of air in herself to say the words.
Kind of like Big Steel does. Yeah. It misses
every other word. While she's singing, she stops
pretty much halfway through every line. She never
finishes a vocal line. She just runs out of energy
and air and just stops. Yep. And it just doesn't
get sung. Visually, she looks like she's... can't
stand to be there. She's unhappy, upset, and
just putting in her time until it's time to get
off the stage and go cash her check. She looks
like she's phoning it in for the money, which
is really sad, because that's not what she used
to be about. That is. Those are yours. Go ahead.
I think I'm done. So, you know, go look at the
video of a lot of these people, and you'll see
what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. There's
some other ones that have left. Is that the list
right there? That was my list. Okay, Dave Lee
Roth was left off of there. Yeah. But we'll talk
about him. Yeah. Also, probably Steven Tyler.
Yeah. Even though he's not really, I don't think
they're touring, though. Let's see. I heard that
Dave Mustaine is getting like that, too. Alice
Cooper. Yeah. Is another one that can't really
do it anymore. Yeah, I'd say Alice needs to hang
it up. His creativity for the stage show, if
there's any left, is not being used. Because
he's doing the exact same show he's done for
the last five or six years. Which is great, but
after you've seen it like ten times like we have,
it's like, okay. Yeah, I've been going to see
Alice Cooper play live since my 20s. Yeah. And
I'm in my 60s now. And he stopped doing new,
original, and different shows. Pretty much after
Wayne's World came out. Yeah, that sounds about
right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still enjoyed them.
Yeah. But I could have told you what was happening
next like you could. Okay. So now he goes to
the guillotine. And now he goes into I Love the
Dead, and, you know, oh, here comes a mannequin,
you know. And here comes a big song medley while
Alice goes offstage to do whatever. Yep. When
I would rather have them do the whole song of
each of those. I know. With him singing it. The
songs that I really want to hear is a medley,
and it's like, come on. Mm -hmm. Yeah, I agree.
Yeah. It's a good way to condense a concert,
too, to go, oh, they played this many songs.
No, they didn't. No, they didn't. Yeah, so, anyhow.
All right, you want to hear about the rivalry
between Ozzy and Dio? Definitely. Okay. Well,
it's been debated, you know, because you have
people like Vinny Appesee that came out and said,
or is it Vinny? Yeah, Vinny Appesee came out
and he said there wasn't a rivalry there. It
was all fabricated. But no. Yeah, there was.
Yeah. A lot of it was true. Yeah. But they may
have gotten, they did get to like each other
later. Ozzy did so well. Dio left Sabbath and
got in a big fight with him, so they could be
consoling partners about what big dicks they
are. And from what I understand, that did happen
for briefly, too. And then Dio went back to Sabbath,
and they're just kind of like not really talking
to you, that type of thing. Okay, so Ozzy was
deeply hurt and bitter about being fired from
Black Sabbath, which created natural tension
when Dio took over, leading to years of public,
often petty, feuds, which is true. Because, and
I go by this stuff being true by interviews that
I've saw of them saying one thing or another.
And then they come back and go, oh, we never
did have a fight. And it's like, wait a minute.
I just heard you calling him the worst person
on earth or that guy's a clown or whatever. Okay.
So some of the direct insults were Dio famously
dismissed Ozzy's musicality, calling him a clown.
And in the 1980s interview labeled him stupid
and devoid of intelligence. Wow. I know. And
I looked that up. Yeah, there is video. It isn't
that one in particular, but it's one very close
to where he was saying it in a different way.
All right, the dwarf incident. Dio heavily resented
the fact that Ozzy used a personal assistant
with dwarfism and named him Ronnie. That's really
rude. That's really rude. And he was on tour
with Ozzy mocking Dio by having an assistant
execute him. the dwarf on stage. What's also
wrong about that is Ozzy hired him specifically
because of his dwarfism. Yeah, to mock Ronnie
James. It's like you didn't think of him as a
human being, you thought of him as a prop. Tell
me this, you think that was Sharon or you think
that was Ozzy? Wow, good question. I would say
probably Sharon. I would say Sue. I would say
two. She's probably like, hey Ozzy, do this.
Okay, that sounds good. I'm going to fuck with
him really good. And then, very famously, everyone
knows about this, or I assume they do, Dio refused
to open, with his version of Black Sabbath, open
for Ozzy's solo show, which was in OzFest, and
Zappos was supposed to open for him on the last
one, viewing it as disrespectful to his status,
which intensified the feud. Rob Halford had to
step in and did a very good job, and it's too
bad they couldn't have done an album or something
or more shows with him because he was that good.
But then again, Rob Halford had his own career.
True. So there's contradictory accounts. While
the public feud was intense, drummer Vinny Appesee,
who played with both of them, has stated they
actually really liked each other away from the
camera, suggesting the conflict was largely fueled
by management and media. No, I'm sorry. No, no.
There was a conflict there, and they did say
things about each other. Maybe it ended differently,
but I guarantee that stuff was said. I saw it
with my own eyes. So, no, there was a feud there.
When Andy Kaufman had that public feud with that
wrestler, and everyone bought in and believed
it. Oh, yeah, that was funny. And it turned out
it was just a gag. They were running together,
and they actually liked each other, and it was
all fun. Uh -huh. That gave... pretty much everyone
an excuse to pretend they were doing the same
thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, we really like each other.
Yeah, this is just for the cameras. When it really
isn't. But it's a way to make yourself look like
a nice guy or a nice gal. Yeah. By planting some
doubt in people's minds. Oh, see what Andy Kaufman
did? I'm just doing that. No, actually, you're
a dick. You really are angry and mean and spiteful.
But it's an excuse people can use now. That's
a good analogy. It is. That pretty much describes
it all right there. So that's all I had of that.
When Ozzy was fired from Black Sabbath, do you
think that saved his life? Yes. I think so too.
And I think that they knew that. They knew that
the band could not exist. And they said this
too in a different way. It could not have existed
in its present state. And that's not just Ozzy.
Ozzy was the worst one. He was the most shining
example of excessive behavior. And the other
ones with cocaine and stuff wasn't that far behind
him, but he was the one. There's a lot of hard
feelings. I read up on this, and even Ozzy says
it in a couple of books. They were really mad
because he pulled out of a concert in Rio de
Janeiro and cost them a lot of money because
he was fighting with Sabbath. They're going after
his addictions. And he's like, fuck you guys.
You guys are all stone fucked up too. Because
why are you guys coming after me? Natural defensive
for an addict. So that was the first one. So
later on, Iomi and Dio started talking to each
other. Dio quit Rainbow. And they wanted him
to practice. This is the story that I read from
virtually all of them. They wanted Dio to practice
with them because they couldn't get Ozzy to.
They started hearing how well it was going. And
Iommi started just having them come in and say,
let's do some songs. And then Dio started helping
them write songs. One of them was one of the
best songs he ever recorded, Children of the
Sea. And that was the first song he wrote with
them. And they're all kind of like looking at
each other, raising their eyebrows, going, you
know, we really like this new direction. And
Dio doesn't really party that much. Much easier
to work with. Yeah, much easier to work with
at the time, yeah. But then later on, it wasn't
so easy to work with. But while that was music,
what can you say about music? Music is exactly
that. The reason people fight over it is because
they're passionate for it. Let's see. I remember
from my own personal experience, there was a
band I was in, and the lead singer was having
some... scheduling conflicts that he really needed
to take care of. He couldn't blow them off to
go play the gig. So the guitar player who was
doing the bulk of the bookings for us, he found
a replacement singer that could fill in. And
the guy was good. He had good stage presence.
He learned the songs in a hurry. He was easy
to get along with, etc. And the singer was okay
with us using the substitute guy, but he didn't
want us billing under our regular name. We were
performing under the name Weatherhead. And he
said, you can't call yourselves Weatherhead because
I'm not there. And the guitar player was like,
yes, we can, because we're trying to build a
name and reputation for ourselves, so we need
to keep using this name. And I said, well, how
about calling us Weatherhead with special guest
and then the new singer's name? Did he go for
that? No. He said, nope, I don't want you performing
on any Weatherhead at all. Did he own the name?
No. All of us collected it. Yeah, seriously.
But the implication was he was going to quit
if we didn't do it his way. Oh, so yeah. So eventually
we all gave in, at least to his face. And then
when we went to the other place, we still called
ourselves Weatherhead. And he had no idea, did
he? No, we just lied to him. Well, if he listens,
now he knows. Yeah. But, you know, he really
didn't have lead singer disease all that bad.
You know, there are a couple ways he seemed to
feel pretty entitled. But that's natural. I could
actually see that thought, too. If someone went
up there and just sucked. you wouldn't that attribute
it to your name. Yeah. So I get that, too. As
pompous as it sounds, I actually think there
was reasoning behind it. Yeah, yeah. I thought
it would have been fair to say Weatherhead with
special guest. Yeah, that part is the part that
I thought, yeah. And then when you come out there
and go, we're sorry, we got some scheduling conflicts
with our regular lead singer, but we have so
-and -so who's very good, and we love him, and
he's going to fill in for him. That would have
been fine, but... Okay, whatever. It was his
gig. Whatever. Now, ironically, there was a time
later when I couldn't show up to a gig in Springfield.
It was a two -nighter. And I just could not go.
So the band hired a replacement drummer. Actually,
it was a local guy from Springfield. And he did
an amazing good job. He said the first night,
you know, he was basically learning, you know,
not just the songs, but how Weatherhead did the
songs. And then the second night, they say he
nailed everything. He learned it the first night.
The second night, he played it. It must have
made you feel real good. Yeah, I started getting
a little nervous. But they performed under the
name Weatherhead, and I had no problem with it.
They said, you are Weatherhead. And the guitar
player was like, we don't want to cancel the
gig. We want to get a replacement drummer. And
he said, I don't mean to hurt your feelings,
but the drummer is the easiest person to replace
in a band. And I said, oh, don't hurt my feelings.
It's true. A good drummer. Unless you have Nuno
Bettencourt. Yeah, yeah. A good drummer is difficult
to replace, but you can get a drummer that's
going to get you through the show no problem,
and no one's going to know the difference. It's
been done a lot of times. Oh, yeah. A lot of
times. Someone out in the audience, we've got
a drummer here. The Who did that famously. But,
yeah, it didn't nerve my feelings because it's
really tough to replace a singer. It's really
tough to replace a guitar player. But the rhythm
section, bass, drums, and keys. Yeah, that's
pretty easy to swap in and out. Yeah, it isn't
so much of a signature. It's an all -together.
So I get it. Now, the guy didn't do the show
exactly the way I did. He didn't know exactly
how to build up the things and the flair here
and whatever that. But he did a really good job,
and everyone thought it was very entertaining.
I think I did a better job most of the time because
I knew the songs. Hey there, slapmets. It's time
for the Creeps Music News. Hey, my little pumpkin
seeds. This is Johnny Rohypnol with your music
news. John Karabi, former lead singer of Motley
Crue and The Scream, has a new album coming out
on April 24th called New Day. You can pre -order
the album online. The effort features guitars
like Richard Fortis from Guns N' Roses, Paul
Taylor from winger Steve Perry, On keyboards,
Marty Freckerson, producer of Multi -Instrumentalist,
and Charlie Starr from Blackberry Smoke on guitar
solos, alongside Evan Freckerson on drums and
bass. This should be a pretty good album. Sure
has a lot of talent to go with it. This is Johnny
Rohypnol. That was your music news, and remember,
bar chords are bullshit. The other guys, I knew
how we did things. We had the interplay. I think
that's a fair statement. But it's not like anyone
got ripped off by seeing a substitute member.
No, they're like, okay, this is good. It may
not be quite as good or what I'm used to, but
it works. And I did not rub it into the singer.
It was like, hey, I don't mind. I just let it
pass. It's like, eh, I don't care. Sometimes
it's better not to have an ego. Yeah. All right,
you got something you want to go into? How about
Overlook Drummers? I love that. All right. First
one I got, Phil Rudd of ACDC. Yes. The guy is
pretty solid. He's very solid. The beat that
he provides is just, yeah. He doesn't play a
lot of extra stuff because the song doesn't need
it. He's kind of Bonham -ish. Yeah. Where he
just did what he needed to do, and his style
is... everything and that's it i mean you know
he's had a he has a certain style and he doesn't
like uh improvise and come up with all this stuff
he's just like this is just it it's great yeah
he's really good and for the time when he retired
from live playing and they had a drummer fill
in on the tours it just wasn't the same because
he doesn't have the same energy the reliability
the punch the replacement drummers they get always
do too many fills They tried to get too fancy
and too fast and too technical. It's like he
never played anything really fast. No, he was
like Malcolm was. Yeah. He didn't do anything
fancy. The drummer for Pink Floyd, Nick Mason.
Oh, that's a good example. Never played fast
in his whole life. He just plodded along, and
it was gorgeous. Yeah. That's kind of what Philadelphia
is. They have that driving style that just keeps
going and going but doesn't actually hit an apex
anywhere. It's just, yeah. Next up, I've got
Carmine DePeace. He was in the band Vanilla Fudge.
Very, very underrated, Rod Stewart. Uriah Heath,
maybe, was he, for a while? In fact, Vanilla
Fudge should have been a whole lot bigger than
it was. Oh, it should have been, yeah. It had
kind of a silly name, but you get used to a silly
name if your band's cool. Like, Led Zeppelin's
a pretty silly name when you think about it.
It really is, yeah. But Carmine DePeace influenced
Vinnie Paul, Tommy Lee, John Bonham. Ian Pace,
these are all people who looked up to Carmine
a piece and said, yeah, I want to be a drummer
like him. In fact, Carmine got John Bonham his
Ludwig sponsorship. Oh, really? Because Carmine
had a big double bass set with the clear drum
shells. And John Bonham was like, man, that's
just the coolest thing ever. How can I get one
of those? So Carmine introduced him to the liaison
guy at Ludwig, and they hooked him up with a
sponsorship deal, and he got a scaled -down version.
There's always the story that John Bonham wanted
a double kick set, but the rest of the band wouldn't
let him because that wasn't blues. So he would
try to get one, and they'd take it away and hide
it somewhere. So he just wound up playing with
a single. But his single kick set was like half
of Carmine Apice's kit at the time. The reason
Sabbath got Benny Apice, and I've heard them
all say this, including Dio and all of them.
Butler, Geezer Butler, and Tony Ahumi all said
that they tried to get Carmine a piece. And he
said, well, he goes, I'm currently playing, I
think, with Rod Stewart. Yeah. And he said, you
know, I'm playing with Rod Stewart. I can't.
You know, I'm already on this tour. He goes,
but my brother's looking for a gig. Yeah. And
they weren't that familiar with him. But then
when they heard him, they're like, you know what?
Yeah. Yeah, we'll take him. Yeah. So he's a good
drummer. He's a really good drummer himself.
Up next, Bill Bruford. Oh, yeah. He was in Yes.
Maybe you've heard the song Roundabout. Yeah.
That's him. He was really good at playing in
odd time signatures, not because he understood
them, but because he had a phenomenal ability
to memorize long passages. Yeah. So he didn't
learn the time signature. He just memorized the
passage and memorized the drum part for that.
He was in King Crimson, a very jazz -influenced
drummer, and he influenced a lot more people
than had fans. I mean, it's not like everyone's
like, oh, Bill Bruford's the greatest drummer,
but if you ask other drummers, they're like,
oh yeah, Bill, hell yeah. Yep. Cozy Powell, underrated.
He was in Black Sabbath, Rainbow, White Snake,
Emerson Lake and Palmer, which had to be renamed
Emerson Lake and Powell. Uh -huh. He died in
a car crash in 1990. Oh, yeah. So that cut his
career way short. But if he hadn't died and kept
going, I think he still would have hopped from
band to band, but he would have been one of those
journeymen who played for everybody and everybody
loved and everybody thought was a great drummer.
He was a great drummer, yeah. He was one of my
favorites for quite a while. Yeah. Next up is
one of my favorites, Tommy Aldridge. Oh, yes.
I saw him when he played in Pat Travers. He opened
at some summer jam here in Kansas City. Yeah,
boom, boom, out go the lights. Yeah. Snorting
whiskey and drinking cocaine. Great song. Yeah.
He was in Whitesnake. He was in Ozzy. He's still
playing, and he still plays just about as good
as he ever did. There's some things, he said,
I listened to the recording, and I think, How
the hell did I do that? I have no idea how I
did that. The interesting thing about Aldridge
is he was not the original Blizzard of Oz. He's
the most notable drummer, Lee Kerslake. Lee Kerslake,
yeah. He was fired right after the first album,
and they hired him to do the tour. And then it
got to where Lee Kerslake didn't exist. It was
Tommy Aldridge. It's weird how that happened.
It is. Yeah. When Lee Kerslake drums so phenomenally
on that Wizard of Oz, and he, to me, is kind
of criminal. And look, Aldridge is a fantastic
drummer. Always liked him. But Kerslake being...
treated like that, I guess, I didn't like. There
is a video on YouTube. I don't know what it's
called, but it's Lee Kerslake and the original
bass player, too. And they're doing the tracks
for Crazy Train, and it's just bass, drums, and
guitar, no vocals. And they're killing it. And
it's like, how did you listen to that and decide
to replace both of them? Yeah, that's what I
thought. That's what I thought, because Kerslake
was so good. How do you listen to that and say,
nah, thanks for trying? Daisley came back several
times. Kerslake never did it. Daisley came back
for several albums after that, too, and he did
a phenomenal job. He is such a good songwriter.
It also led to him not being a part of Back to
the Beginning, the vinyl concert. And that is
because he was busy suing them over rights and
music rights and credits. Yeah. So Jakey Lee
never did. And he may not have had quite enough
leg to stand on like Daisley did. Yeah. But you
talk to anybody that was in the know, they say,
yeah, Bob Daisley wrote a lot of that stuff.
Yeah. Like No More Tears, I think, well, Lemmy
wrote quite a bit of it too. Yes, he did. Lemmy
wrote three or four songs from that. And I'm
actually in the part of Ozzy's very last book,
Last Rites, where they're talking about that
right now. Cool. About how Lemmy was such an
interesting guy. He was a speed reader. Oh, wow.
Yeah. He read like 10 books a day. Oh. Yeah.
And he was really knowledgeable about everything.
He drank Jack all day. Yeah. He went down to
the rainbow when he wasn't playing. And he sat
there in his own bench that was his bench. Nobody
else could sit in it. It had a picture of it,
and that was his bench. You did not sit in it
under any reason. Reserved 24 hours a day. Yes.
And he lived just right across the street in
an apartment, and he loved it. Very modest apartment.
Very modest apartment. But Ozzy said this, and
I agree with it so much in the book. He said
that the fact that he made more money off the
publishing of those three or four songs than
he did in his whole career. is insane because
that diminishes his Motorhead's footprint. But
it shows you how the money's always been in publishing
and how the artists are always getting ripped
off because the record label's trying to get
the publishing rights away from him. Yeah, that's
true. But, you know, and Ozzy's right because
he was such a good songwriter. And people may
not recognize it because of the style of Motorhead.
Yeah, true. And he was such a good... showman
and frontman and just a generally great guy from
everybody loves him yeah um so um it's like you
know it's a real disservice to motorhead to think
that he made more money off of those songs than
he did playing his whole motorhead career yeah
it's really hard to fathom if you look at all
the albums and all the tours and everything and
he done yeah yeah so but like you said the money's
in publishing it is yeah it really is uh next
up on the list is simon phillips He played for
The Who after Keith Moon died. Oh, yeah, yep.
Played in Toto after Jeff Porcaro died. He played
for Pete Townsend and Jeff Beck. In fact, he's
worked on over 1 ,200 albums. 1 ,200? Wow. That's
crazy. And I remember the first time I saw him,
he was in Pete Townsend's backup band. And he's
not really that well -known, if you think about
it. He's not a household name, which he should
be. But I remember the first time I saw him,
I looked at him and thought, he looks like he's
15. He looks like a little kid up there playing
drums with Pete Townsend. You know what? You
saying that? He does, yeah. He looks his age
now, but back then he looked like a little boy.
Pretty interesting working for Pete Townsend
and looking like a little boy. Yeah, there's
some hints there. Good old, you can say something
without saying it. I said nothing, did I? No.
All right, go ahead. All right, next up, Clive
Burr from the first three Iron Maiden albums.
Clive Burr, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Paul D
'Anno stuff. Before Nico showed up and changed
everything. Yeah, Nico changed everything, and
then Bruce came aboard, and it's like, ooh, wait
a minute, we got something here. Before they
were a heavy metal band. After they were different.
They were heavy metal, but a different category.
I don't know what you would call it, but all
that stuff. But... People really liked the energy
on those first three albums and how they sounded,
but people tend to forget Clive Burr and how
he was a big part of that. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm
a Nico fan myself. Yeah. I like Nico too. I almost
got to see him, I think I said, I was on a job
in Florida in Boca Raton. Mouth of the Rat. Yeah.
That's what it means, Mouth of the Rat. Mouth
of the Rat. Wow. I forgot about that. I live
in Ratsmouth, Florida. I forgot all about that.
I actually knew that. Anyhow, I had to fly out
of Fort Lauderdale, and I had a day that I could
do anything, and I had to stay the night in Fort
Lauderdale and then fly out. I was up in Boca
working about 20 miles away, maybe, something
like that. So I'm staying in Fort Lauderdale,
and I read where... Cape Coral, Florida is like
five minutes away from where I was staying. And
that's where Rock and Roll Ribs was. So I went
there, and I can't say that much about the food,
but every Saturday I had to leave that Friday.
I had to be back in the weekend to go to another
job, so there's no way out of it. I had to leave
Friday. If I could have been there Saturday,
Nico plays in an Iron Maiden house band on Saturdays,
and he still does. And he plays until the beer
runs out. He plays out in their yard. And the
Iron Maiden house band. Yeah. But I got some
cool pictures of me next to, like, the signed
Paul Rogers and the signed Angus Young. And,
I mean, all this memorabilia that's signed and
everything. It's really cool. It's a neat place.
But the food's expensive and fair. But you don't
go there for the food. That's true. You don't
go to Hooters for the food. No. Which is actually
failing. Hooters is failing now. I believe it
because people have gone past that. People are
just kind of like, okay, orange shorts, yeah,
great. Get them out of here. And the people that
used to go there now have kids, and they don't
want to bring their kids there. Great wings,
though. Their wings have always been good. It's
pretty good. Vinny Appesee. Yes. From Black Sabbath
and Dio. Mentioned him previously, yes. We know
him, but not a lot of people know him. No, no.
If it wasn't for Sabbath, I don't know if anyone
would have known him. Honestly. And Dio. Dio
Soho. Barrymore Barlow played for Jethro Tull.
He could do prog rock. He could do arena rock.
He could do his little folk stuff. Okay. A lot
of it was Black Sabbath. Jethro Tull's early
stuff. Aqualung. Cross -Eyed Mary, Thick as a
Brick. Oh, good, the good stuff. Teacher, you
know, all those things. And then he was eventually,
I think by the time you get into the 80s and
the album, I think it was called A, they had
Mark Craney on drums who has a monster kit and
just plays and plays and plays. He's an excellent
drummer, but he plays a lot. I mean, he fills
the song up. So it was a different change from
Barrymore Barlow. Oh, okay. But like all the
classic parts of Aqualung and Locomotive Breath,
that's Barrymore. Okay. But, yeah, most people
don't know. You say Barrymore Barlow, and they're
like, who? What? No, that's what I just did.
I'm like, I'm very unfamiliar with him. But,
yeah, his body at work kind of speaks for itself,
don't it? Yeah. And then last on the list, Eric
Carr from Kiss. Yes, yes. He could never get
out of Peter Criss' shadow. And it's too bad,
too. They were completely different drummers.
They were. They weren't even close. Chris is
a jazz drummer. Yes, very much a jazz drummer.
And I would call Carr a rock and roll drummer.
Yeah. A hard rock drummer. Yeah, not even blues
-based rock, just straight -ahead rock. No, just
straight -ahead rock. And he was very good. If
you want to know some of his work, listen to
I Love It Loud. Yeah. And that beat, that beat
that he provided with it was just amazing. Made
the song. You know, it probably didn't help that
they had his stage makeup look too similar to
Peter Criss' stage makeup. Yeah. And he was what,
the fox? The fox, yeah. Instead of the cat? No.
They should have had something totally different.
No, they should have. Make him the giraffe or
the albatross or the piranha or something. Well,
I mean, look at Vinnie Vincent, the only other
guitarist to wear makeup and kiss. Until, you
know, later when... When Tommy Thayer was acting
like Ace Frehley or whatever, his makeup. But
he had an unk on his face. Which is a cross with
a circle on the top of it. Egyptian. So he didn't
look anything like Ace at all. In body, composure,
everything. But Eric Carr... looked like he could
have been Peter Criss in a little bit different
makeup is one of the problems. Yeah, and I think
a lot of people thought it was still Peter Criss.
I think people did. Yeah. Because there is old
pictures of Kiss with slightly different makeup.
Yeah. They improvised over the years and changed
it. So I think a lot of people are just like,
oh, okay, he's not, I don't know if he's a cat
or not. He's got slightly different makeup. Something
that's really interesting, take a dollar bill.
and draw Gene Simmons makeup on George Washington's
face. It fits perfectly. He turns into Gene Simmons
if you draw Kiss makeup on him. Did you see someone,
a bill that did that? My sister. When Kiss started,
what came out with Kiss Alive, she started drawing
Kiss makeup on all the $1 bills she could find.
And she drew Ace Frehley. And she drew Paul Stanley,
but Gene Simmons looked the best. George Washington
just looks like Gene. You see, Kiss Alive, to
me, was what most people were winged on. Yeah.
Me was alive, too. And that's the solo off of
God of Thunder, I believe. I don't know if it
was Shock Me. It could have been Shock Me. I'm
not sure which one. God of Thunder, there's another
great solo, too. Yeah, but the Shock Me solo
was the one that... Sounds like Eruption. Yeah,
yeah. Well, the bits of it were put together
just like the whole song was orchestrated and
put together, like the solo off of Shock Me.
Yeah. And there's other ones that copied it.
Well, I don't know if copied it. Inspired by.
Inspired by, yes. Inspired by. There's other
ones, too, that were inspired by it, too, such
as Jakey Lee, a lot of his solos, especially
during Bark at the Moon. and some with the ultimate
sin where he does that segment one and he comes
out and he goes and then he goes on and goes
on and goes on yeah um that type of a solo was
created by ace i believe Yeah. The segmented
one that leads to another, it leads to another
that comes back. If you invoke the feeling of
that on your solo, then you're halfway there.
Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was brilliantly arranged.
Yeah, it was. It was, yeah. So, anyhow, go ahead.
I guess that was it. Oh, okay. I guess that up
next we've got, what, you want to go into something
or we got? Yeah, I got something. All right.
All right, I have opening acts that killed it.
Ooh, let me get to mine. All right. All right.
Okay, number one, Metallica opening for Ozzy
on the Ultimate Center. Listen, nobody protested
Ozzy coming on. It wasn't one of those. It was
just like people just sitting there with their
mouth open going, what the fuck? That would have
been an eye -opener. Oh, my God. Cliff Burton
was just insane. Man, the face that he was providing.
No wonder they flattened after him. No one could
have ever replaced Cliff Burton like that. He
was just such a dynamic character. James Hetfield
was angry and young. Lawrence wasn't quite such
a little femme goofball like he is now. And Kirk
Hamnett was the new guy, so he was trying to
impress everybody. So he needs to hide his fucking
wah -wah pedal and say no more. Every freaking
solo. He can play instrumentals. He can call
it Cthulhu. One of the best instrumentals ever.
It took me a year and a half to realize that
it had no fucking lyrics on it. That's how good
that song is. Okay, so he can write music and
he can play instrumentals. He doesn't do solos.
He relies on that wah -wah pedal to just kind
of sound okay, and then, all right, okay, wah
-wah, wah -wah, wah -wah, and then goes on. Because
if you take the wah away, it's a pretty basic
and simple solo he's playing. Very much so, and
that's his all over and over and over again.
Yeah, so it really makes it seem like they hired
him for his songwriting abilities. I'm sure they
did. Not necessarily his playing abilities. I
mean, he's a good player, but... But him with
Cliff Burton in tandem was just something you'll
never, ever, ever get again. And if Cliff Burton
went alive, it wouldn't have been like that now.
I mean, it's just the way it is. You can't keep
that original hunger and fight like you have,
you know, when you're younger and trying to get
there, scraping, doing everything you can. There's
something about after making it, you know, it's
just kind of like you rest back and you don't
have that same anger, that same thirst. So it
wouldn't have been the same if he would have
lived. True, because... With Cliff in the band,
Metallica wouldn't have gone through that angry,
depressed phase after they lost him. And Hetfield
and Ulrich wouldn't have taken over control of
the band. And it would have been Alternica. He
would have quit. He would have been like, I'm
not doing this. You guys are insane. He would
have prevented that duo from taking over. They
made some really good choices, but they made
some really stupid choices too. Well, if you
want to look at it like... Oh, popularity -wise
and selling -wise, it looks like they did good.
But people that really know the music and how
it should have went, no, they blew it. With Cliff
in the band, they never would have released St.
Anger. Yeah, no. He would have quit. He would
have quit before. You would have told him, take
my name off that piece of crap. I'm out of here.
Load and reload? Uh -uh. He would have quit.
He would have been like, hey, I know this guy
named Jason Newstead. Not. All right. Thank no
more opening for... Oh, I'm sorry. Go to yours
now. I'm sorry. My first one was Stevie Ray Vaughan.
I saw him out at Starlight Theater in Shawnee
Mission. No, Starlight is... No, I'm sorry. Starlight
is Swope. Swope Park. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was
thinking theater in the park. Oh, yeah, that's
a great one, too. Yeah, that's a good one, too.
Anyway, I saw him at Starlight. He opened for
Huey Lewis in the news. And Stevie Ray was just
starting to get a lot of airplay for his first
songs like Cold Shot and Pride and Joy. But he
wasn't opening act yet. But he just destroyed
Huey Lewis. Oh, I believe that. I mean, the musicianship
for those three guys up there was amazing and
impressive. Then Huey Lewis got up and was slick.
polished and choreographed and the very soul
of corporate rock and there was just no comparison
for me he was built up anyhow he can't really
sing that well he never yeah and he never wanted
to lead a big rock and roll band he wanted to
perform on street corners for change yeah and
plus the biggest thing that we're failing to
recognize his penis size oh yeah supposedly Enormous.
Yeah. Yeah. So right there, I think he won. Forget
it. He won. All right. All right. Next one. Faith
no more. I wanted to see him go against Lyndon
B. Johnson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or Milton Berle.
Yeah. Or Frank Sinatra. Or Frank Sinatra. A dick
off. John DeWatt Holmes. That guy had a baby
arm, let me tell you. Oh, fuck. All right. And
whatever you do, do not end up like Ron Jeremy.
Oh, God. The Hedgehog. Yeah, ugly as fucking
sin in a church pew and in jail. All right. Faith
No More, opening for Robert Plant. Mike Patton
is such a talented singer. Oh, he is. You'll
never know it. He's incredible. If you're curious,
go on the Internet or YouTube and look for reaction
videos to Faith No More songs. or Mr. Bungle
song, anything with Mike Patton singing. It's
in there, but you've got to listen to it because
they have that distinct style, especially Mr.
Bungle, that you wouldn't necessarily recognize
good singing, really good singing, but he's a
top -notch singer. Yeah. Got a great voice. The
one reaction video I'm thinking of is the woman
who teaches other people how to sing opera, which
is all about voice and breath control, and she
was listening to Mike Patton just... throwing
things out, you know, like it wasn't even any
big deal. And she's like, that's incredibly hard
to do. And the fact that he made it seem so easy
means he's just got incredible control. And he
just impressed her left, right, and up and down.
Oh, no, I seen him doing that in concert. It
was up in St. Joe. For some reason, Robert Plant
played there but did not play down here. So we
all went up there watching me. Probably a conflict
with a local promoter. Probably, yeah. Chris
Fritz didn't like him or something. Allegedly.
So went up there and watched him. And he was
actually singing commercials in between songs.
But he was doing an operatic. Yeah. It was so
good. It's really hard to describe. I'm sure
they're on the internet. You can probably YouTube
some of that. Very good. All right. My next is
the Fabulous Poodles, and they opened for Tom
Petty. Back when it was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers,
and it was at Memorial Stadium in KCK. The Fabulous
Poodles? They had one hit called Think Pink.
Not ringing a bell, but go ahead. No, they were
kind of like alt -pop, kind of frothy, and I
wasn't really expecting much, but man, their
songs were good. I mean, their hit, Think Pink,
was kind of a throwaway. But everything else
they played was like, wow, these guys have really
good music. Whether they're writing it or somebody
else is, they're playing it really well. And
I was really sad to see them leave the stage.
I mean, I was there for Tom Petty. It's like,
I don't care who the poodles are, I want Tom
Petty. But by the time the Fabulous Poodles were
done, it was like, I want them to play more.
I want them to play an encore and play more stuff.
They're good. Anyway, I like Tom Petty. He was
good, too. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, Wasp opened
up for Kiss. Now, this was one where everyone
wanted to watch Wasp and wasn't that thrilled
about seeing Kiss. Kiss just took off their makeup.
Oh, okay. It wasn't the first album. The first
album they took off their makeup was actually
Lick It Up. Yeah. Okay, and then this was the
one with Tears Are Falling. I can't think of.
Well, anyhow, it was the next album. It was the
second album after they took their makeup up.
They just got Bruce Kulik in the band. It started
with Mark St. John, and he developed an arthritic
condition. He didn't do any tour with him. He
just did the album. So, Animal Eyes. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So, Animal Eyes was Mark St. John on the
record. But then Bruce Kulik toured for him.
They tried to get Bob Kulik. But Bob Kulik was
busy with maybe Meatloaf at the time. He couldn't
do it because of prior commitments. So again,
he said, hey, you ever thought about my brother?
Kind of like Vinnie Appesee and Carmine. So they
went to him and he did a fantastic job. Even
Ace said that technically Bruce Kulik was the
best guitarist. kiss ever had wow technically
not feeling wise or anything else but technically
yeah so and he was probably right but wasps came
out you know blackie lawless had the um the uh
skill saw cod peas yeah but the nylon hose with
the big boots just insane studded leather and
they they actually this is when in memorial hall
in kansas city they lit up the wasp big totem
pole looking thing, and fire. They took a fire
club, like he did, and lit it on fire inside
the, you don't see that in venues anymore. No,
no, no. It lit inside the venue, and it went
up, and women in torture racks, but the capper
to me was... Fans getting hit in the face with
raw meat. Yeah. And loving it. You can't beat
that, man. It's funny. People get hit in the
face. I'm like, oh, my God. And they're like,
yeah, more, more. And then they're throwing it
back. Chris Holmes getting fucking pelted with
raw meat. He's like fucking grabbing it and fucking
tossing it at people as hard as he could. But
Blackie was just phenomenal. He's like 6 '6".
He's a tall guy. Yeah. Okay. He had stilts. He
had these stilts that were built into the side
of his microphone that lifted him up about three
foot. So he's leering over the audience. Giant
figure. Giant figure. And then he's grabbing
these posters, and he used to be a major league
pitcher before that, and I'm not sure what his
name was. You can probably look it up, I'm sure.
But he goes, hey, you motherfuckers up there.
And they're all like, I used to be a major league
pitcher for the Texas Rangers. I can hit you
right between the fucking eyes. But he goes,
there's only one way that's going to happen.
You're going to make me do it. And so people
up there are going nuts. And he was like just
nailing the people going crazy. And they're getting
all these posters. We're down here going, I fucking
spent the money on the good seats, and you're
selling the posters up there, you fucking asshole.
But anyhow, it was one of those ones where everybody
was like, more, come on. And they did one song
and left. They did an encore, but one song and
left, and that's because of time constraints.
And I'm pretty sure they cut off some of their
regular gig to make it look like they did an
encore to make people happy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So it sucks. Kiss only gave them a certain amount
of time, and that was it. But that's not unusual.
But the thing is, is people, and then I read
other write -ups of it, too, and everybody felt
the same thing. They're like, we did not get
enough loss. We did not get enough wasps. Kiss
was okay. They were good. But people wanted to
see wasps. So anyhow, go ahead. They can't feel
good for Kiss when you're there. Well, that's
why they was taken off the tour. They made up
something else, but in the middle they took them
off the tour. And that's because all the clamoring
for wasps, and they're tired of sitting there
on stage, going, fuck you! Well, my next one
also happened to be at Memorial Hall. It was
Marilyn Manson opening for Nine Inch Nails. Oh,
yeah. I missed that one, but yeah. Now, Marilyn
Manson wasn't better than Nine Inch Nails, but
he was a lot better than I thought he would be.
Because I'd already had his first album, Portrait
of an American Family. He was so, so... Lunchbox
and... Yeah. I forget what else is on there.
Cape and Sodomy. Yeah. But anyway, so Marilyn
came out and they started doing their show. And
my first thought was... The sound quality is
not so great. It's kind of punkish. But then
as I got more into it, I realized there's something
so different here, and the energy is so weird.
The guitar player was wearing a girl's pink short
dress with a green Girl Scout sash. Was that
Madonna Wayne Gacy? Or Twiggy Ramirez. No, Twiggy
Ramirez. Yes. You take a famous blonde and cross
them with a famous serial killer, and that's
their names, like Marilyn Manson. Manson came
out looking like Alice Cooper used to dress during
the killer phase in 1971, 72, with the black
corset and boots and the fishnet stockings. So
that was pretty much how he dressed, and the
stage even looked like something the Alice Cooper
group did back in the early 70s. But then he
did something completely different. He started
taunting the stage about how he's such a big
rock star. He said, don't you want to see my
big rock star dick? And he pulled his pants down
and here was about a 14 to 15 inch long black
latex dildo hanging from his crotch. And he started
flipping and flopping it around like strippers
do with the tassels on their boobs. He's making
it helicopter. And then he grabbed a bottle of
champagne and poured it down his chest. And by
the time he got to the end of the dildo, it was
foaming up in white for all the world that looked
like he was ejaculating on the stage. Oh, my
gosh. And then he started whipping that around.
The foam started flying off into the audience.
And I thought, this guy's got some really interesting
ideas. I mean, this is totally different. And
I started paying a lot more attention. And I
thought, this is actually pretty damn cool. Well,
I got one disturbing story about him in concert,
and I believe the guy, he sounded like he didn't
make it up, but he could have. But he saw him
in Lawrence, and he said that Marilyn Manson
fingered his asshole the whole time. That wouldn't
be surprised. And I was just like, ugh. I know
effect, but come on. I would not take anything
he threw to me, a guitar pick or whatever. That's
cool. Go ahead. You can have it. You know what's
weird is Marilyn Manson, and Billy Corgan of
the Smashing Pumpkins used to love to hang out
and get high together. Hello, this is Phineas
J. Altaris III. I'm here to deliver your music
news this evening. Tudor Steve Lukather said
that Michael Jackson's Beat It was almost ruined
by Eddie Van Halen. Steve Lukather has explained
that the issue wasn't Eddie Van Halen's solo
itself, but that Eddie and his engineer, Don
Landy, Eddie did the master tape and messed up
the time code, which was crucial for syncing
other tracks. This forced Luke Catherin drummer
Jeff Porcano to meticulously recreate the song's
backing tracks from scratch, using the faint
bleed of the drums in Michael Jackson's vocal
track and re -establishing the rhythm. This is
Phineas J. Baltar S. III. That has been your
music news for this evening. I have one burning
question for you all. Do people really skip around
the Maypole? Yeah, I think, yeah. You wouldn't
think those two would have much in common, but
they sure did. The more I find out about Billy
Corgan, the more I like him. He is a very interesting
guy, really intelligent. He has a podcast, I
forgot the name of it, but it is really good.
I've listened to him talk to Sharon Osbourne
and other people, and he is really, really good
at what he does. He talked about his song Disarm.
He said he wrote that about the relationship
he had with his parents. And he said, I didn't
get along with my parents, didn't like my parents,
and I had an awful childhood. He said, they didn't
abuse me or beat me. We just didn't get along.
And that's about where he left it. Wow. So that's
what the song Disarm is about, is his conflict
with his parents. And that's a good song. That's
one of my favorite songs of them. It has a lot
of conviction, and now I see why. Yeah. Okay,
it came from something. All right, I got Alice
in Chains opening for Ozzy. Once again, nobody
was disappointed Ozzy came out. Yeah. But the
fact that they commanded that type of an audience,
you know, people jumping off the fucking, I've
told you about it several times, I'm pretty sure.
You know, the hill jacks fucking this slanty
Missouri in the middle of the Ozark Mountain
hills. And they're jumping off the 50 -foot cliff
that separated the good seats from the turn.
Yep. And breaking their legs and God knows what
else. And they're doing it to get to the better
seats. But it didn't. start with Ozzy. It started
during Alice in Chains. And this is while Layne
Staley had a broken foot and was on a big couch
performing and people still went nuts. And Jerry
Cantrell was over there just fucking masterfully
just going nuts. I mean, the whole thing was
just great. So yeah, they did not blow Ozzy off
the stage because nobody ever did. The whole
thing was they were so good that they could have
played another hour and people would have been
fine with it. It's so nice when the big acts
will take people who are actually good, too,
instead of just some scrub. Ozzy never dumped
them. Yeah. No, he loved it. He was like, bring
them on. You remember a band called The Babies?
Vaguely. Yeah. Their lead singer quit, and that
was John Waite. He went on to have that song,
Missing You. That's where I know him from. I
ain't missing you at all. Yeah. And their keyboard
player quit and joined Journey. That was Jonathan
Cain. Oh, Jonathan Cain, yeah. Yeah, so that's
where most people should know the band The Babies.
But I saw them at Kemper open for Alice, and
they had a reputation of they start on time.
Regardless of what happens, they start on time.
And boy, howdy, they started on time. It was
awesome. First time for everything. And, you
know, they had the song Maybe It's Time or Baby
It's Time. Yeah, that was like their only hit.
Yeah, and so I was kind of waiting for that one,
but then I started realizing the rest of these
songs are really damn good. Matter of fact, I
thought that was Peter Frampton for like 10 years.
I thought that was Peter Frampton. It really
sounds like Peter Frampton, but it wasn't. Yeah,
it wasn't. But anyway, they really impressed
me as an opening act. Kind of a one -hit wonder
when it all said and done. Yeah, that's pretty
much the only song anyone knows of them. But
two members of their band went on to have great
success. Yeah, John Wade and Jonathan Cain. Yeah,
Jonathan Cain had the longer career. John Wade,
he had a brief flash with a solo career. He went
poppy on a solo career and it showed because
once that type of music went away, so did he.
Yeah, and he really didn't seem to have the physical
sex appeal that was demanded at the time for
how lead singers should look. So he had kind
of small eyes and thin lips. No, he did not have
them. He wasn't going to sell any posters. He
was in Elvis. Yeah. Yeah. All right. My next
one was and is Guns N' Roses opening for Aerosmith.
Yeah. And this was one where some of the people
were wanting guns to keep playing and Aerosmith
not to play. But I have to say this. Once Aerosmith
came out, people forgot about it. Yeah, yeah.
But until then, people were like, bring back
guns. Fuck you. Yep. And there are a lot of people
screaming that. Yeah, I imagine. And they did
not do an encore after they were gone. They were
gone. Yeah, a lot of times the opening acts are
forbidden from doing an encore. And I think that's
probably what happened here. Yeah. Because people
were like screaming and starting to throw shit
and get a little unruly. And I believe it led
to Aerosmith coming out early. Yeah. They came
out like, I don't know, maybe 30 minutes. We're
going to lose this audience if we don't get out
here and do it now. Yeah, and they came out and
they brought it. Yeah. So. Very good. And I'd
also like to say that Stone Temple Pilots did
a really good show with Aerosmith too. And there
were like the younger rockers at the time, the
Xers were all screaming for STP. And the older
rockers, the Freedom Rockers, are all screaming
for Aerosmith. So it's kind of a wash. So anyhow,
GNR brought a lot of energy, really good playing,
solid playing. I can't remember. I think they
just got Matt Sorum. I don't think it was Stephen
Adler anymore. I think they just got Matt Sorum.
Yeah. So anyhow, great show. I've got some more
here that I can't remember who the main act was.
I just remember the opening act. Oh, that's fine.
The Motels. Okay. They had some hits with Only
the Lonely, Take the L, Suddenly Last Summer.
Kind of 80s. Semi -synth pop, but guitar, bass
to a large degree. I liked them. They had their
time. They were never going to be my first form
of music, but they were listenable. I enjoyed
them somewhat. I remember at the time looking
at the lead singer, Martha Davison, thinking,
wow, I could be her groupie. Oh, no, I agree.
She is pretty fucking smoking in her way. Yeah,
she was. So I just kind of got interested in
the band, and I realized after I got an album
to listen to, it's like, well, they played a
lot of hits during their opening because they
had a lot of hits. I would have followed Belinda
Carlyle around. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would have
ate whatever came out of her ass just to see
it. Okay, I'm moving right along here. Gravity
kills. Remember them? Yes. They opened up for
ministry. And Ministry, as good and weird as
Ministry was, Gravity Kills, they did one hell
of it. I knew none of their songs. I didn't even
know they existed. I'm like, who the fuck is
this band? Then they came out with that grinding,
I call grindcore stuff. It was just excellent.
And they had all this energy. And I can't even
tell you one name of them. I never could. As
a matter of fact, the pharmacist that I used
to go to at Kmart in Grandview loved them. He
was this nerdy guy. And I'd come in with a Ministry
shirt on. He's like... Dude, did you see Grab
Me Kills? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That
was that first band? Yeah. Oh, my God, you know
their album? I'm like, no, I really don't. But
a pharmacist was like in the apartment. And I'm
just sitting there going, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they were good. But I didn't know any of their
names or nothing. I was just like, yeah, they
were good. And that's all I had to say. So, hey,
go ahead. Next up I have Ashley's both opening
acts. for an Alice Cooper show at Starlight.
It was Motionless in White and Hailstorm. Hailstorm,
yeah. I don't know who Motionless in White is.
Motionless in White impressed me. They're very,
very heavy hard rock, heavy metal, hard rock
kind of thing. They all came out with totally
white makeup and wearing dark clothes. And one
of the things that really impressed me was the
singer. wasn't all snarly and attitude and doom
and gloom. He was a fun, just kind of regular
guy. And he was engaging with the audience. One
thing I remember is he was like, between songs,
he was walking up around the front of the stage
and saying, oh, I see a lot of people brought
their kids here to the show, so I guess we'll
have to watch our language. And the audience
kind of laughed. And he said, nah, fuck that.
We're going to say what we want. And everyone
really laughed. I love that. You bring your kid
to the show. You know what's going on. I agree
with him. But, you know, for drop -tuning, hard,
pounding, sludgy music with all the makeup and
stuff, they acted like just regular guys, which
really impressed me. They're not taking it so
deadly serious, and they want to have fun. And
then Hailstorm came out. Real high energy, a
lot of fun. I was watching Lizzy Hale's brother,
AJ, on the drums. The guy's nuts. He is absolutely
bonkers crazy nuts, but he plays beautifully.
He came out with these drumsticks that were like
four and a half feet long and did a whole solo
with these giant drumsticks. It was crazy. So
I was pretty impressed by both. After I saw Hailstorm...
I went home and rearranged my drum set. It's
like, that guy's drum set was so weird, but he
played it so masterfully. And I thought, I can
do that. I need to focus more on these parts
and less on those parts. And also, Hailstorm
is just a fantastic band from Blizzy Hail on
down. I missed one here, but I got another one
after that. But anyhow, Megadeth opening for
Iron Maid. Oh, yeah. Now, this was another one
that is divided. The people that were younger
at the time were, like, screaming for Megadeth,
and the people that had a couple years on them
were screaming for Iron Maiden. And me, I was
like, either way, we can't lose. Either way,
I'm good. But Dave Mustaine was angry and growly,
played well, commanded attention. I mean, he
was great. And the whole band, for that matter,
really good musicians, played very well. But
I also loved Iron Maiden, so, you know, I just
wish. Megadeth would have held in there for another
couple of songs, which they probably couldn't
contractually. So anyhow, that's all to say about
that. Go ahead. I saw Sammy Hagar at a summer
jam as a solo artist, as the Red Rocker. This
is right after he got out of Montrose, and he
billed himself as the Red Rocker. He had so much
more energy than Van Halen. Yeah, and he played
guitar. I mean, he had a red guitar. He played
guitar well. Yeah, he really did. But he was,
of all the shows I saw at that Summer Jam, he
was the most high energy. I mean, he never stopped
moving. He was just everywhere, jumping, yelling,
screaming, flipping. When I eventually later
saw David Lee Roth, I thought, eh, Timmy Hagar
did it better. And how ironic that they wound
up being in the same band eventually. Oh, wow.
But I thought, when I went to that, I was telling
people that I was going with, Sammy Hagar is
going to be in there like, who? They'd never
heard of him. Really? It was before all of his
hits. He really didn't have a hit on the radio
yet, as far as I can tell. Because his big one
was I Can't Drive 55. Yeah, but that was later.
That was after. Because I saw him in 78, 79.
Oh, yeah, that's when he was just getting established.
Just right after he got out of Montrose. Yeah,
wow. Yeah, but he was really good. Yeah, I've
always thought he was a good guitarist and a
good singer. I like David Lee Roth better in
his prime. Yeah. In his prime, just because the
energy and his showmanship. And I think that
Eddie played harder and with more direction under
Roth for whatever reason. Probably just the energy
that it brought, you know, because Sammy took
off a lot of that because he played guitar somewhat
in the band and all that in Van Halen, even though
they didn't need it. Yeah. All right. And finally,
I have the Colt opening for Guns N' Roses. Oh,
yeah. The Colt was so good that they could have
played a full concert and I would have been happy.
I mean, and I love Guns N' Roses. They did a
great job, and the Colt did much better at that
time. And I've seen Guns N' Roses numerous times,
and they always put on a hell of a show. But
the Colt was just so good. Wait a minute, I'm
not done with that yet. My last one is going
to be a band called The Kings. They had one hit
that was called The Beat Goes On Switching to
Glide. Oh, yeah, yeah. You remember that one?
I do remember that one. And they opened down
the uptown for Alice Cooper when Alice was in
his cocaine period. And he was touring, I think,
on the album Special Forces. So Alice looked
about half dead. He was super skinny, trying
to be all new wave and punky. And the Kings,
even though they had only the one hit, they were
having so much fun on stage. They looked like
they were having the time of their life. And
it came through in the music. All of it was just
fun. Everybody was up and moving and dancing.
And it was kind of a bummer when Alice came out
because he was so heavily damaged and his music
was dark. And it wasn't anything like it used
to be because he had all new musicians with him.
I was kind of thinking, you know, I kind of wanted
to bring the Kings back out. I love Alice, but
man, this was not his best time, that's for sure.
Yeah, that happens. Yeah. Well, I heard the other
day that Beyonce promises she's not going to
do any more country music. A lot of people were
happy about that. Okay. She complains it was
not well received. and didn't sell well, and
her concerts didn't go well, and she blames it
all on racism. And then when the interviewer
pointed out that, see, people like Darius Rucker
and Charlie Pride, they've had great careers.
Her response, oh, well, there's sexism out there
too. It's like, okay, Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn,
Dolly Parton, the list goes on and on. Plenty
of women are successful. She's just looking for
an excuse, so it's not her fault. Her winning
a Grammy off that Cowboy Carter bullshit was
insane. Okay? Nuh -uh. No, she should never have
gotten that. She got a gimme. Yeah. And she's
still not happy with it. It showed that all the
rewards are bought and paid for. If you wanted
a Grammy this year, just pay enough money and
you'll get one. Yep. To blame racism and then
sexism for your music not selling and people
not wanting to listen to you? Yeah. Go away,
Beyonce. Go away. Doesn't hold water. No, no.
Apparently it just can't be her fault. Under
any circumstances, it just can't be her fault.
So she'll blame anything. And did. Yep. That's
just sad. Do you want to go to the favorite indoor
venues? Yes. All right. I realize that I've only
ever been to concerts in Kansas City. One in
St. Louis, one in Topeka, so my list is pretty
short. Well, except for one. All of them are
regional, except for the one up in Lowell, Massachusetts.
So go ahead. I put basically the big ones. Municipal,
Memorial Hall, Knuckleheads. Oh, yeah. I forgot
Knuckleheads. And the Uptown. Very good. But
I left off Kemper, or whatever they're calling
it now. It always sounded like shit in there.
No, I could not stand that venue. Just awful
sound. Also an awful layout, too, for a concert.
Yeah, yeah. It was not that impressive. And then
there were some smaller clubs like J .C.'s South
and J .C.'s North that I saw shows in. Oh, yeah,
yeah. Medusa's and a couple other ones. Yeah.
The Block West. It wasn't really all that impressive.
It was just kind of blah. Yeah. You have more?
Oh, that was on my indoor. Oh, shit. Okay. All
right. My indoor is Beaumont Club. Oh, yeah.
I love that because the stage was actually below
you when you walked in. It was in like a pit.
Yeah. It was great to spin on him. Oh, you'd
get some great aiming. Phil Anselmo thought he
was going to flip out when he was laying down
there. People were spitting on him. He was about
ready to kill him, but he couldn't figure out
who was spitting on him. Yeah. The Uptown Theater.
Yeah. The Fox Theater in St. Louis. Very good
theater. Well, if you haven't seen a concert
there, try to. Oh, I will. They usually have
some pretty good shows there. Cannery Hall, Nashville.
Oh, wow. I saw Glenn Hughes and the Dead Daisies.
Wow. Davey did, and it was just a perfect place
to see a concert. You could see them right in
the eyes. It was, like, so close and just, like,
really personal. It was really good. The Outhouse.
Oh. Never been there? No. Okay. Now it's a strip
club, but it's in Lawrence. Not in Lawrence,
but just outside of Lawrence. Okay. And it was
a punk club. Oh, okay. A run -down, shitty place,
but some of the best punk bands around played
there. The Bottleneck. The Bottleneck was always
big. The Cotillion. Oh. And that is in Wichita.
Yeah. The Twilight Theater, like I said, Boston
is actually Lowell, Massachusetts. It's a small
theater, an old theater that used to be a movie
theater that had been fixed up since the 40s.
But it was exactly the same inside, just renovated.
And it was all beveled from the top to the bottom,
not that big. I did not get to see a concert
there, but I got to go in and they gave me a
tour because I asked. I was like, hey, you know,
I want to see a concert here, but I don't know
if I'm going to be here. So I saw their schedule.
Ah, shit, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going
to be able to. I'm going to be gone by that time.
They're like, well, you want to take a tour?
I'm like, yeah. I think it was amazing. And then,
let's see, finally, the waiting room in Omaha.
That is a cool one. That's where I saw Zach Wildwood,
Zach Sabbath, play on the bar. It had a huge
bar in the middle of it that was square and went
all the way around the place. I mean, it was
huge. He went on top of that. He didn't care
if he kicked off drinks or not. It was up to
you to pull the drink away. But he would walk
all the way around. play his guitar on there.
He even went outside, up and down the fucking
sidewalk and played. All while doing his back
behind, playing with his teeth. Amazing shit.
And still hitting those pitch harmonics. Anyhow,
great stuff. That's all my indoor. A couple indoor
ones that I never saw rock concerts at, but I
did see other types of musical performance. The
White Recital Hall. on the campus of UNKC. Okay,
I don't think I've been there. And the Folly
Theater. Oh, the Folly, yeah. I've heard vocal
performances there, and the acoustics in there
are perfect. And it's a beautiful theater, too.
It is. It's gorgeous on the inside. Oh, my gosh.
It was made so well. Yeah. You want to do the
favorite outdoor? Yeah. Okay. I've got Starlight
in Smokeheart. I've always liked concerts at
Arrowhead and or Royal Stadium. Oh, yeah. I like
Arrowhead a little bit better, but Royal Stadium
is cool, too. Theater in the Park in Shawnee
Mission. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. That
one in St. Louis where you and I saw Deep Purple
and Alice Cooper in Ender Winter. Hollywood Theater,
yeah. Hollywood Theater, okay. That's about it
for outdoors. I did play the Spirit Fest once,
but I didn't go to the concert. I was performing
there, but... It would have been a blast to be
in the audience at one of those big spirit fests
at the Liberty Memorial. I never did. I've got
Liberty Memorial on mine, and that was because
of the Rock Fest and Spirits Fest and all that,
because there's some legendary stuff. Yeah. Like
the great sod fucking vine. Yeah. The crowd surfing,
the women getting violated while crowd surfing.
Yeah, yeah. Then the band having to point it
out. That creep right there. All this stuff.
So, all right. Favorite outdoor ones for me,
the Hollywood Casino Amphitheater in Council
Bluffs. It's for Omaha, okay? And if anyone doesn't
know, Council Bluffs in Omaha is kind of like
Kansas City, Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri.
The river separates them. And one is the name
of one town and one is the name of another town.
All the casinos had to be in Iowa because they
allowed them and Nebraska didn't. So all the
concerts went down there. Yeah. And I saw so
many of them from Vince Neal, Queensryche, and
Sebastian Bach. Wow. Two other concerts. I've
seen quite a few of them there. It's a great
place. It's a neat place. It's on the river.
It's beautiful. And it was like, I don't know,
130 degrees when I saw them, but it was still
good. The beer took care of that. Yes, it did.
The drink took care of that. So, all right. The
Black Oak Amphitheater in Atlanta, Missouri.
It may be replaced by Thunder Ridge once I eventually
go there. But that thing, the whole thing, it's
on the Ozark Mountains. You can see Table Rock
Lake, beautiful forests, and hillbillies. Beautiful,
beautiful. You can't beat that. They come out
of the woods to sell you a little moonshine.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all the hill jacks
getting fucked up, jumping off the cheap seats.
It's half the entertainment value. Well, and
then the next one where we saw Skinner in all
the fights, nobody was jumping off there because
they changed that. They took out that level.
I'm pretty sure they had to. And they made a
different slope terrace, but it wasn't nearly
as big and it wasn't as high up. They completely
reconfigured it. And at the time, it was the
Swiss Villa when they had the big go. So the
Blackhawk Amphitheater. And there are so many
fights that I couldn't watch Leonard Skinner.
So anyhow, it's... because of everything involved,
Lampy, Black Oak Amphitheater. So then the next
one would be Grinders. Oh, yeah. I love that.
I love that venue. It's right in the middle of
downtown. You wouldn't even know it unless you
saw it. It's right behind Grinders. And they
have a really nice stage there. They have good
sound. And it's a great place on a summer night
to go have a couple of beers and watch somebody
you want to watch. Yeah. And the tickets usually
aren't outrageous there. They control it pretty
well. They handle their own. That's an important
part of it. It is, very much. The Hollywood Casino
Amphitheater in St. Charles, which you've been
at. Red Rocks, because of my visit there, but
not because I actually saw a concert there. But
when I get a chance, I will. Rock and Roll Ribs,
Coral Springs, Florida, and that would be Nico
McBrain's. The Bomb Factory in Dallas. Oh, wow.
A lot like the Beaumont. You walk in and the
band's below you, only quite a bit further below
you. It's really interesting because the sound
travels up. By the time it travels up, you hear
double of everything, but you don't care. Yeah.
It's like, I don't give a shit. This is still
fantastic. And just the amount of people that
went there and, like, all the energy. So that
was good. So what is your favorite season? And
time of day. I think my favorite is summer. Like
late afternoon into evening. Clear sky, warm.
I can really relax in a situation like that.
I really don't like being cold. So if it's not
warm, then I'm probably cold. So just like the
opening act comes out late afternoon and the
opening act comes out when it's fully dark. Just
that slow transition from day to night, listening
to good music, and it's warm, and you're drinking
a nice cold beverage. That's awesome for me.
Mine is late October. Oh, that's good, too. Yeah,
and the reason is because it's not sweating or
nothing like that, and it's the last hurrah.
Everyone knows that after this concert, there's
no more outdoor ones for a few months. And usually
the bugs are dead, so you're not getting hammered
by mosquitoes or flies. Yeah, so to me, I love
that. And also, 72 -degree day, light wind, sunny.
To me, that's the best. As a matter of fact,
you're rock and rolling so much, if it's a good
show, you're actually taking off your jacket
and going, man, this is perfect. Yeah. And I
like it to start about noon. Yeah. And then be
kind of like a festival. Usually the last one
is off about 9 o 'clock if it starts at noon.
And that's mine. All right. What have you got
now? Bands with tragic touring accidents. Oh,
that's going to be good. There are a few important
ones left off, but I think they're trying to
cover some of the more lesser -known ones. The
first one we got is Otis Redding and his backup
band, the Bar Ks. December 10, 1967, it was on
Otis Redding's first tour in his own private
plane, and it went down four miles short of the
airport in heavy fog. It went into a lake, and
everybody except trumpet player named Collie
was killed. And he clung onto a seat cushion
and was eventually taken out of the freezing
water. I was unaware of this story. Wow. Okay.
And many of the members of the Barcays were actually
teenagers. And they died in this terrible plane
crash. That sucks. The song, Sitting on the Dock
of the Bay, was recorded three days before the
plane crash. Wow. and then released after. So
everybody who heard that song was thinking, poor
guy has just been killed in a plane crash, and
he's never going to go sit on the dock of the
bay and waste his time. It made it just that
much more poignant. And I think the heavy fog
was what was blamed for the crash. Okay. Like
so many times, an ill -advised trip, and they
say, no, do it anyhow, we've got to get there.
Yeah. The next one. Damage Plan. Oh, yeah. December
8, 2004. On their first tour. They played in
Columbus, Ohio at the El Rosa Villa Club. And
a man named Nathan Gale was in the audience.
He was recently diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
And he claimed that the band had stolen his lyrics
and had stolen his identity. I forgot about that.
Yeah, so he took it all out on the guitarist,
Dimebag. Dimebag, yeah. So he got up onto the
stage and opened fire two minutes into the show.
And he killed Dimebag, I think an audience member,
a member of the crew. And a security guard with
a gun killed him. And right in front of his brother,
Vinnie Paul. Shit. Yeah. But initially the word
came out that this was a disgruntled fan that
was unhappy over Pantera breaking up and blamed
the members of the band. But he had zero touch
with reality at that point. Well, if any, Paul
harbored a lot of resentment towards Phil Ansamo
because Phil Ansamo's famous quote right before
that happened was, I wish Steinbeck would get
beaten to death. And instead he got shot to death.
Yeah. On stage. Yeah. So when there was rumors
about them getting back together, he said that's
not possible. Vinnie Paul's dead now. He passed
away from a heart attack. Yeah. He kept saying
it's not possible because Dimebag isn't here.
Without Dimebag, we are not Pantera. But, I mean,
yeah, that's true. But, you know, Zach would
have been a great replacement because they're
best friends and they do play a lot alike in
a lot of different ways. And Zach plays Dimebag
stuff so well with the same energy. Yeah. Yeah,
that was something else that was horrible. That's
something that will never, it will always live
in infamy. Someone will get murdered right on
stage in front of everybody. And that was Damage
Plan. That was the band that they came up with.
And Phil and Samo came up with Down. Yeah. I
was lucky enough to see Down. And they were really
good. Except Phil Examo trying to kick everybody's
ass because he's getting spit on. I bet you he
never booked the Beaumont again. It's more like,
isn't that where everybody spits on you because
you're down below? Yeah, no, no, I'm not doing
that. All right, up next we have a band called
The Ghost Inside. It's their 2015 tour. They're
traveling between Dallas and Phoenix. And their
tour bus went head -on into a truck outside of
El Paso, which killed both drivers and injured
all the band members. Every single member. The
drummer got the worst of it. Shattered shoulder.
He was in a coma for 10 days. He lost his right
leg. And he returned to playing with his father
made him a prosthetic. It was an above -the -knee
amputation. So it hooks around his thigh, and
he just lifts his whole thigh up, and it brings
something down on top of the kick pedal, and
that's how he plays the kick drum. Oh, wow. But
the band was just pretty much devastated, just
destroyed. Jim Croce, Time in a Bottle, Bad,
Bad Leroy Brown. September 20, 1973, six months
after Bad, Bad Leroy Brown was released. He got
on a small plane after a gig at a college in
Louisiana, and the plane failed to gain altitude
after takeoff. It just couldn't really gain any
altitude. It crashed 250 feet from the end of
the runway, killing everybody inside. Now, the
night before, Jim Croce had written to his wife
saying, Yeah, I'm kind of new to this touring
stuff, but I don't like it, and this is going
to be my last tour. I'm not doing this again.
I don't like this at all. I'm going to focus
on songwriting and recording. Oh, that's too
bad. Yeah, yeah. And typically when planes fail
to gain altitude after takeoff, it's because
they were not properly configured for flight,
usually because they didn't lower their flaps.
Pretty much every airplane cannot take off without
flaps. Pilot error. Yep. So, bummer there. Up
next, Christina Grimmie. She was a teenager.
She gained fame on YouTube doing covers and on
The Voice, where she finished third. Signed a
deal. Had no idea. Released two albums. In fact,
when she auditioned on The Voice, all four coaches
turned around and wanted her. That's a rarity.
But even that, she finished third. She had four
hit singles. Went on a tour in 2016, and on June
10th, after a show in Orlando, she did a meet
-and -greet after the show. And there was a whole
line of people waiting to come up and shake her
hand, say hi, and get an autograph. Obsessed
fan Kevin Loible just skipped the line, walked
right up, pulled the gun out, and started shooting
her. Wow. And killed her, and was tackled by
her brother, who was standing right there. And
his reason? He felt that they were destined to
be together. So that was how he was going to
accomplish it, by killing her. You know, my brother
should have just went ahead and said, all right,
well, all right, here, let's go ahead and make
that happen. Yeah. You know, anybody who feels
that way, please try it out on yourself first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead and try it out. Yeah,
yeah. If you think, you know, murder -suicide
is a great idea, do the suicide part first. Yeah,
and see how it feels. Yeah. Before you wind up
murdering. Yeah. So, I mean, really, really.
Happy, fun, energetic, young girl. Just destroyed
by a crazy fan. Got John Lennon. Yeah. Well,
that wasn't a touring accident, so we don't have
any more than this. No, that's true. Up next,
Rick Nelson. Child TV star turned pop star. There
was a 50s show called The Adventures of Ozzie
and Harriet. Yeah. Those were his parents. And
he played on the show as himself, their son,
Ricky Nelson. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot.
Yeah. And also his sons were big for a while.
Yeah, the Nelsons. Yeah. The Nelson brothers
or the Nelsons? I think they were the Nelsons.
They were the Nelsons, yeah. Yeah. They're identical
twins, weren't they? I think they were. Yeah,
blonde hair. And they couldn't make it in pop,
so they switched to country, and I don't think
they made it in country either. No, they didn't
make it in country either. They have one hit
in pop. And then that was it. That's true, that's
true. They were kind of a one hit. Yeah, they
were. But Rick Nelson was kind of considered
easy pop and country pop. I liked him. I thought
he did good, yeah. His big hit was Garden Party,
which was kind of semi -country. Yeah, yeah,
focused kind of. But on December 31st of 1985,
he boarded a DC -3 after showing Alabama to go
to Dallas. They made it most of the way to Dallas
on the plane, but the plane was circling over
DeKalb, Texas, and the pilot radioed down and
said, we've got a fire on board, we have smoke
in the cockpit. The plane eventually went down
and crashed. Only the pilot survived the severe
burns. And when they investigated the crash,
they were pretty sure it started with faulty
cabin heaters. So the things that were designed
to keep everyone warm back in the cabin. Caused
a fucking fire. Set the plane on fire. Oh, my
gosh. Oh. Yeah. Chuck Mangione. Oh, yeah. Remember
him? Feel So Good? Uh -huh. The Louis DeMille
thing. 2009 on February 12th. Louis Mangione's
great uncle. Yes. That's the guy that shot the
Allied or whatever, insurance guy. Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Luigi. Luigi Mangione, his great
uncle. Or no, his great nephew. Yeah, there we
go. All right. So he was on a flight from Newark
to Buffalo. When the plane crashed into a suburban
home in Buffalo, they made it all the way to
Buffalo, but then it went down and crashed into
a suburban home, killing 49 people on board and
one person on the ground. So this wasn't a charter
plane. He was flying commercial. Wow. Most things
are chartered. Yeah, but this one he just got
on a regular commercial flight because he wasn't
all that big anymore. Mangione himself survived,
but key band members died. There was a trumpet
player and I can't remember the other one. It
might have been a guitar player. I can't remember.
That was so long ago, but yeah, I'm familiar.
But he canceled the rest of the tour because
he didn't even want to think about replacing
these key members of his band. Oh, I get it,
yeah. And then eventually when the crash was
investigated, they say the pilot did not respond
correctly to stall warnings. So he did something
wrong that put his plane into a stall, probably
by not watching his speed. And then when he got
the stall warnings, he ignored them or responded
inappropriately. I take it he perished. Yeah.
Okay. And you just fall right out of the sky.
Wow. Okay. Eddie Cochran. Now, this goes back
to 1960. He was like 21 years old, just at the
beginning of his career. Hey, is Chuck Mangione
still alive or not? I think he's passed by now.
I thought he did, too. Okay. He was not really
hitting it big in the U .S., but he was getting
big in the U .K., so he went over there with
Gene Vincent to do a tour. The tour was so successful,
they extended it by an extra 10 weeks. That's
how popular he was getting. Wow, that's good.
And then on April 16th, after showing Bristol,
Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, and the band got
into a cab for the ride to the airport. And the
cab ran right into a lamppost at high speed.
And the picture of the cab shows it was bent
pretty badly. So he didn't go into it head -on.
He was kind of sliding sideways. Eddie Cochran
was thrown from the cab and died of head injuries.
Wow. Everybody else survived. Oh, not his day.
Yep. Should have been wearing the seatbelt. Should
have, yeah. In 1960, London. Nobody was wearing
it. Yeah, cabs probably didn't have seatbelts.
No, I don't think they did. A lot of things you
thought would have seatbelts did not back then.
You heard of Chaotica or Wormrike? No. Okay,
a couple of black metal bands. They joined forces
for a southern U .S. tour in 2015. And they did
everything together. I mean, I don't know who
was opening for who, but they ate together, they
stayed together, they traveled together. It was
like two bands that were a family. After a show
in Spartanburg, South Carolina, they were driving
their van to Atlanta. Driver fell asleep. Oh.
Yeah. The van hit a tree, injured eight, three
of them critical, and killed three. One member
of Chaotica, Nicholas Chris Ostomo, age 25, and
two from Wormrike, Ian McKinney, age 30, and
Paul Truesdale, age 29. And the band just decided
that, you know what, this is too much, and they
just canceled the rest of the stuff. And even
if they reformed and tried to make another go
of it, Apparently that didn't work because they're
just gone. I mean, this is 11 years ago, and
nobody's ever heard of them. They probably just
decided to do something else with their lives.
Josh Turner, Classic Country. He was on a 2019
tour traveling from Paso Robles, California,
on the way to Washington, someplace in Washington.
He was near Shandon, California. The bus left
the road, went through a fence. And over a 50
-foot cliff. And then came to rest at the bottom.
Seven injured and one dead. Crew member David
Turner, who was the brother of Josh Turner. Oh,
wow. Yeah. So, going over a 50 -foot cliff in
a bus, I'm surprised only one person died. Me
too. That's a lot. Yeah, that's something else.
They're lucky it didn't break into flames, you
know. Wow. This next one, I know you might have
heard of, is a man named Ozzy Osbourne. Yes.
March 19, 1982 in Leesburg, Florida. Randy Rhodes,
Andrew Aycock, and makeup artist Rachel Youngblood
got on the airplane. Aycock was the pilot. And
they were supposed to fly around and just kind
of buzz the tour bus and be kind of fun. But
the plane flipped the tour bus with a wing. It
could have easily killed Ozzie and Sharon who
was inside sleeping. But instead it tumbled into
the second floor of the house and all three were
killed. Burst into flames. And that was the pilot
that Richie Blackmore refused to allow to be
his pilot. Yeah. No, actually his tour bus. Tour
bus, yeah. He actually didn't have a pilot's
license, but he knew how to play. I think he
had one before, but he knew how to fly a plane.
But this is in Bob Daisley's book, for fact's
sake. And Richie Blackmore would come up there
and he said, what's this guy? And he goes, well,
this is our tour bus driver. And he said, no.
And he's like, well, why not? He goes, no, he
has a black aura. We can't have him. Yeah. And
then he said a couple years later, he sees that
same guy driving for Ozzie. Yeah. And then, you
know, he got on the plane and boom. But at least
he took himself out, too, accidentally. Yeah.
He had the decency to die in his own mess. Yeah,
yeah. Too bad he took such a phenomenal player
and the innocent lady, too. Yeah. And that's
the other thing, too, is he somehow convinced
Randy Rhodes, who was... Deathly afraid of airplanes.
Yeah. To get on this airplane, too. Yeah. Next
up, we have Leonard Skinner. October 20th, 1977,
a Convair CV240 passenger aircraft ran out of
fuel on its way to their destination. It crashed
into a wooded area near Gillsburg, Mississippi.
And the whole rumor on that was that the wrecker
company... had someone take out some of the fuel
because they wanted to sell more records, but
I don't believe that. No. Well, I don't know.
You know, it's believable, but I don't think
it was on that one. Yeah. They were flying from
Greensville, South Carolina, to Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and they crashed near Baton Rouge.
Like most planes, they got most of the way to
their destination. Yeah. Lead vocalist Ronnie
Van Zandt. But guitarist and vocalist Steve Gaines,
backing vocalist Cassie Gaines, who was the older
sister of Steve, and assistant road manager Dean
Kilpatrick, Captain Walter McCreary, and first
officer William John Gray all died as a result
of the crash, while 20 others survived. That's
good to know that Lonnie was the original singer
and Johnny Van Zandt was the replacement singer,
his cousin, a couple years later. So, okay. This
was like... Two days after releasing their album,
Street Survivors, they got on the airplane and
it crashed. When the pilots realized that the
plane had insufficient fuel, the pilots attempted
to navigate to Macomb Airport, about 10 miles
northeast of the eventual crash site in Amite
County, Mississippi. Then they realized they
wouldn't make it there either. As a last result,
they attempted an emergency landing in an open
field. about 300 yards from where the plane eventually
went down. Despite their efforts, the plane skimmed
along about 100 yards along the tops of the trees
before smashing into a large tree and splitting
into pieces. At some point, the passengers became
aware there was something wrong, and our drummer,
Artemis Pyle, recalled walking up and entering
the flight deck and being told by the terrified
captain. Go back and strap yourself in. We're
going down. Wouldn't that scare the snot out
of you? With the gravity of the situation becoming
clear, the passengers sat in silence, some of
them praying. Guitarist Gary Washington recalled
hearing what sounded like hundreds of baseball
bats hitting the plane. And that was when they
were crashing into the trees. and the sound got
louder and louder until he was knocked unconscious,
and he woke sometime later on the ground with
the plane's door on top of him. Wow! Most of
the survivors were seated toward the back of
the plane. All of the survivors were seriously
injured, but not... immediately aware of the
fatalities. Rossington wasn't told until days
later by his mother that Ronnie Van Zandt had
been killed. Ooh. Yeah. They often do that, though.
Whenever someone's getting better, they don't
tell you until later. They're just like, well,
we'll talk to that later, you know, or whatever,
just try to get by it. Then it doesn't impede
in your recovery. Yes. It was discovered later
that the very same aircraft had earlier been
inspected by the members of Aerosmith's flight
crew for possible use in their Draw the Line
tour, but was rejected because it was felt that
neither the plane nor the crew were up to standard.
Aerosmith's assistant chief of flight operations,
Zunk Bucher, told of observing the pilots McCreary
and Grace sharing a bottle of Jack Daniels while
he and his father inspected the plane. Wow. Yeah.
So you see your pilot and co -pilot over there
boozing it up. Yeah, I'm not getting on that
plane. Yeah, nope. And also they couldn't even
figure out how much fuel to put in the damn thing.
And then Aerosmith's touring family were quite
shaken after receiving word of the crash as Steven
Tyler and Joe Perry had pressured their management
into renting that specific plane for use on their
tour. and Scottish rock band Nazareth were touring
with Skinner at the time of the crash, narrowly
avoiding being on the plane themselves. Okay.
Pete Agnew explained Artemis Pyle had lived in
Greenville, where the plane took off from, and
was having a barbecue. They'd invited us along
and then on to the next gig with them. But we'd
seen their plane, which looked like duct tape
airlines. The fabricating excuse of doing some
promo was ultimately used as the way to get out
of attending, but Leonard Skinner's road crew,
under the mistaken impression that Nazareth had
gone on to the barbecue, announced that Nazareth,
too, were among the fatalities. Oh. Oh. Vocalist
Dan McCafferty said, at the next gig when I phoned
my wife, she burst into tears with relief. Oh,
wow. Now, that doomed flight was going to be
the last one they were going to take on that
plane. They were done with it after that point.
All the members of the band said, we were flying
in a plane that looked like it belonged to the
Clampett family on Beverly Hillbillies. The band
had decided their status as one of the world's
top rock acts warranted an upgrade. The band
had planned on acquiring a Learjet after arriving
in Baton Rouge to replace the 30 -year -old plane
they were flying in, which all in the band's
circle agreed was well past its prime. The aircraft
was owned and operated by L &J Company, but the
paperwork that Lynyrd Skynyrd signed to lease
the plane, which they leased for three weeks,
specified that Lynyrd Skynyrd was considered
the operator, therefore was completely and 100
% legally responsible for everything. Oh, wow.
And they didn't know that they'd signed that,
but the owners of the plane knew they had a death
trap, knew that the flight crew was awful. So
they were pawning off responsibility onto the
people renting the plane. So they got nothing
out of it. No chance to sue anybody. All they
could do was sue themselves. Wow. What good would
that do? Wow. So the NTSB investigated, and they
said the cause of the accident was fuel exhaustion
and total loss of power from both engines due
to crew inattention of fuel supply. Contributing
to the fuel exhaustion were inadequate flight
planning. And one of the right engine had been
malfunctioning for days where it was running
really hot and wasting fuel, and they didn't
take that into account. So if they'd fixed that
right engine, they probably would have had enough
fuel to get where they're going and land. Mickey
Mouse. Yep. Wow. What a waste. A lot of Leonard
Skinner members. say that they still blame management
for cheaping out on that piece of shit airplane
to the lousy crew and insisting that they use
it for the full three weeks. I think they got
a point. Is that all of them? Yeah, we'll see
it. I asked AI to explain the crooked concert
industry. We've talked about this several times.
It brought up some points I didn't even think
of. But we've spoke about this often. So I'm
going to go into what AI thinks of the crooked
concert industry. The term crooked industry in
the context of concerts refers to long -standing
accusations of anti -competitive and monopolistic
practices primarily aimed at the live nation
ticketmaster conglomerate. In other words, a
dynasty. Yeah. Allegedly. Price -fixing, destroying
competition. Yep, this is all allegedly, but
I mean, you could... You can look and draw your
own conclusion, that's for sure. These issues
have been the subject of fan outrage, political
scrutiny, and a recent major federal lawsuit.
Yeah, I should probably get $2 billion back for
those motherfuckers. No kidding. Okay, monopolistic
control. The U .S. Department of Justice... As
sued Live Nation, the parent company and ticket
master alleged an illegal monopoly over live
events industry. The lawsuit claims Live Nation
uses power to stifle competition, control venues,
and ultimately drive up prices for consumers.
Sound about like the NFL, don't they? Yeah, pretty
much. Yeah, I call bullshit. That's exactly what
I called them. I called them the other NFL. It
seems like that's the business model. It is.
Yeah, it is. Yeah. And never give anybody's money
back. No. Never. It's in a pool right here. You
got your money. It's right. No, it isn't. Airlines
do that, too. They never refund. They say, oh,
well, we'll give you credit towards another airline.
Here's your voucher. Yeah. It's like, what if
I don't want to fly again? Yeah. Well, that's
up to you. Yeah. But they're never giving your
money back. That's bullshit. Yeah. And if Congress
really wanted to do something, they would go
after them and the other... corporations that
do that, that keep your money and don't give
it back. And then you also, like your dentist
or your doctor, whenever they overcharge you
accidentally, oh, do you want to keep it for
credit? No, I want it in my pocket. Of course,
the concert industry and the airline industry
are getting away with it because they use some
of that money they're not giving back to pay
off the politicians to pass friendly laws. And
it's never going to change. No, it's not. I don't
think so. Ticketmaster has long been criticized
for dynamic pricing and the addition of numerous
service fees, which significantly increase the
final ticket cost beyond the initial face value.
Yes, we know this. And the dynamic pricing is
nothing more than, oh, it's popular. Let's triple
the tickets. Yeah. Let's triple the price. It's
complete bullshit. Yeah. Live Nation operates
as a vertically integrated company handling artist
management, event promotion, and ticketing. So
they've got the whole thing. This flywheel business
model is alleged to create conflicts of interest,
allowing the company to leverage its dominance
in one area, which would be the ticketing, to
pressure other parts of the industry, venues,
and artists into bad deals, which they have been.
And that's why a lot of concerts that could have
went off did not is because of this. That's something
important to remember is in business school,
they don't teach you how to run a successful
business. They tell you how to manipulate and
steal and con and dig and do all sorts of nasty
stuff to make... Your business isn't succeeding
on its own. You're just doing a lot of illegal
stuff behind the scenes to destroy your competition
or coerce people into giving you too much, etc.,
etc. So the whole... business college, business
school attitude is teaching people how to break
the law, do it effectively, make a bunch of money,
and as long as you're making money, no one's
going to give a shit that you're breaking the
law. True. At least nobody that can do anything
about it is going to give a shit that you're
breaking the law. True. Yep. Okay. Anyhow, they
get into bad deals and all that because they
own the system. All right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
showing a long -standing pattern of non -transparent
practices. The ongoing Department of Justice
lawsuit against Live Nation is expected to be
a lengthy legal process that could potentially
reshape how tickets are sold. We can only hope
in the future with the goal of increasing competition
and benefiting consumers. And that didn't even
cover everything. No. But it was a pretty good
little rundown of the main points. Yeah. But
I could put 20 more points on here easily. Yeah.
And the sad fact that the people who have the
power to regulate and control the live music
industry are more than happy to just get paid
off to leave the status quo the way it is. That's
what they've been doing. They don't care. It's
not going to change for us. No. Would you like
to hear about some of the famous mob hangouts
from the past? Yeah. And what they're doing now?
Yeah, let's switch it up completely different.
That sounds good. We're hitting two hours here.
We're pretty long on the podcast, though. Okay.
Some of these you've heard about in movies. The
Ravenite Social Club. For 66 years, used at the
headquarters of the Gambino crime family. And
that was where John Gotti was holding court.
He was using the apartment upstairs to hold a
number of his sensitive conversations. When the
FBI figured that out, they bugged that one too.
And it was the recordings they made at the Ravenite
Club that took down Gotti. Did they get him for
tax evasion or actually racketeering? They actually
got him for murder. Oh, for murder. Yeah, because
he was talking over and over about, you know,
we're going to have this guy killed and we had
that guy killed. Yeah, he got too cocky. Yeah.
And the rest of the mob didn't care for that.
He was flashy, flamboyant. He made no bones about
what he did for a living. And he was the big
dog and he thought it was cool. And he liked
to look good and dress flashy. He wanted to be
famous as a mob boss. Yeah, and everyone else
is like, hey, remember this doesn't exist? Yeah.
Now it's a men's clothing store. Ironically called
Descendant of Thieves. That's a pretty good name.
Depends on how you look at it. Yeah. Yeah, it
could be a business opportunity. Could be. You
could look at it like that. I mean, Life Nation.
Yeah. Anyhow, go ahead. Up next, the Gemini Lounge.
Roy DeMeo, also of the Gambino crime family,
did hundreds of murders in the apartment behind.
Remember hearing of Murder Incorporated? Yeah.
That was DeMeo's crew. Oh, I didn't know that.
If the mob wanted somebody gone, they'd snatch
him up, they'd kill him, they'd take him to the
apartment and hang him in the shower upside down
and drain the blood from him. and then chop the
body up into pieces, wrap them up in garbage
bags and boxes and things, and take them all
out to the dump, which the mob also controlled.
The dump, yeah. The dump, yeah. They had the
trash in the dump. Yeah, it was one of the main
reasons that the mob got into waste management
is because it's a great place to dispose of stuff.
A great way to waste people. Yeah. It's now the
Purpose Life Church. Okay. I'd say that's about
the only thing that could probably sanctify that
building after all the ghosts that are in it.
I wonder if the parishioners, if they know. Probably
not. Probably not. Wow. The Bergen Hunting Fish
Club. Gambino again. This was the place used
before Gotti moved them all to the Ravenite.
Oh, yeah. It was abandoned by the Gambinos in
2005. And it's now split into two businesses
now. One's a Christian church, and the other
is a bubble tea shop. It's so funny, the follow
-ups to all of this stuff. It's like, how did...
Anyhow, go ahead. Okay, next up we have the...
God has a sense of humor. Yes, he does. That's
what it is. Yes, he does. The Wimpy Boys Social
Club was the Columbo family. Greg Scarpa held
court there. Scarpa was a really evil piece of
crap. He was really evil. He actually was an
informer for the FBI, but was playing them to
eliminate his rivals. Kind of the same thing
that happened in Donnie Roscoe. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Or no, not Donnie Roscoe. It was the one about
Whitey Bulger. Oh, yeah. What the hell was the
name of that? It was Johnny Depp. Yeah. Black
Mass. Yeah. Okay, so in Black Mass, Whitey Bulger
was doing the same thing. He was feeding the
FBI information to keep them off his back, but
only feeding them information to take care of
the gangs he wanted to. I think that was a common
practice. Yeah, Scarfoot was doing the same thing.
Okay. Which is brilliant if you think about it.
Oh, yeah. Because they have something that they
can go back to the rest of them with and go,
hey, I got this. And nobody's really worried
about whoever's being left out. They're like,
hey, look what I scored. Look what I got. Look
what I did. And since you're doing it under the
supervision of the FBI, you can't be prosecuted
for any of it. Yeah, it's just like this kind
of struck me, and I'm going to talk about it
tonight, is at Walmart the other day. You know
my famous receipt fiasco? Well, they have another
person there now. They took him off of it, or
he quit or got fired or something. And I walk
up there, and I go, I had an email to me. And
she goes, well, get on your phone. No. And she
goes, no, no, no. She goes, just act like you're
showing me something so it'll stay off my ass.
Ah. And I said, okay, sure. Here. Thank you.
Bye. Good job. Yep. Good job. Excellent. When
the employees themselves are just giving lip
service to the rules that you know you got it
made. Yeah, I know. And she wasn't interested
in that. She knew that it was bullshit that they
were doing that. But anyhow. So anyway, Greg
Scarpa's Weeby Boys Social Club is now a private
home. I'm sure they probably read that on the
disclosure. I would think you'd have to disclose
something like that. The Triangle Civic Improvement
Association was a Genovese family street office.
It was used for low -level crime, loan shark
collections, not really meetings between the
bosses. It was more the soldiers and the capos.
It's now been brusted up into apartments. Oh,
wow. Kind of another theme going on. Yeah. The
churches or apartments. Yeah. The Palma Boys
Social Club was the Genovese family headquarters
in East Harlem. It was eventually abandoned when
all the Italian families started moving out of
Harlem. And there really wasn't a reason to be
a big mob presence there anymore. Yeah. So now,
at this point, it's kind of difficult to pinpoint
exactly where it was. So it's either been remodeled
or demolished and replaced, but nobody's exactly
sure exactly where it was located. I got a question.
I doubt it by the magnitude of the people that
are on here. But what we'll actually know, we
had a huge circuit around here that connected
to everything, Chicago, Vegas, New York. Was
the trap mentioned? Just right down from where
we're at right now, the trap is where the Sabellas
held court. Oh, that didn't make my list. These
are all New York. Okay. Well, the trap, there's
nothing there, which drives me nuts. There should
be something there. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but anyhow,
go ahead. Let's see. Talley's Bar. It's the Gambino
family again. They apparently had lots of clubs.
Their last name was Wacker. This was in South
Brooklyn. It was a meeting spot in the 70s and
80s for low -level soldiers. etc. It's now been
demolished and new construction over the top
of it. Okay. The Motion Lounge owned by Bonanno
Capo Dominic Sunny Black Napolitano. I've heard
of Sunny Black. I have too. What a name too.
This is the place, have you ever seen the movie
Donnie Brosco? Yeah. The place where they were
always hanging out. That's the motion lounge.
That's what they're talking about. Okay. So Joseph
Pistone infiltrated the family as Donnie Brosco,
spent the bulk of his time there in that building,
building his case and his cover story. After
Pistone was pulled in 1981, Napolitano closed
the motion lounge. And then he got a call. Sonny
Black got a call from the big guys in the commission
and said, you need to come over for a meeting.
Oh! So before he went over to the meeting, he
gave away all of his stuff, and he told his capos,
divide all my stuff, man, I ain't coming back.
So he knew it. Yep. He was found dead with his
hands cut off, which is what they do when you
shake in the hand of the devil, i .e. law enforcement.
Okay. This place where the Motion Lounge was
is now residential apartments with a hipster
coffee shop on the ground floor. That's what
I want in a trap. That's what I want to do in
a trap is a hipster fucking coffee house. I think
that would be great. They could have all the
memorabilia up there and everything could happen.
That's just so awesome. I mean, after all, that
is where he got busted at. Over the Super Bowl
with Len Dawson. He's calling people from his
actual headquarters going, hey, hey, wait a minute,
man, all this information is bad. And they're
like, okay, we got him on this. Yep. All right,
the Roberts Lounge. This was a Lucchese family
hangout. It was made famous in the movie Goodfellas.
Remember when everyone was hanging out at the
bar? In the movie, it was Jimmy Conway, played
by Robert De Niro. In real life, his name was
Jimmy Burke, but the family wouldn't give the
movie permission to use the Burke name unless
they paid. So they said, screw you, we'll change
it to Conway. because he liked to hijack trucks,
and Conway was a trucking line that he stole
from mostly. Anyway, it was the base for Jimmy
Burke, and after the Lufthansa heist in 78, where
they stole $5 million in cash and $1 million
in jewels, the largest cash robbery in history,
at least at that point. Following that, Burke
was so paranoid that somebody was going to rat
him out that he started killing off absolutely
everybody that helped him in that robbery. Boy,
that's shrewd. But ironically, Henry Hill, the
guy played by Ray Liotta. Hank Hill's brother.
Yeah. He wasn't directly involved in the robbery.
He just introduced a couple of people. So he
didn't get whacked. Oh, wow. But he was the one
who eventually ratted on him. Ratted on him.
How ironic is that? That's pretty good. Yeah.
The building closed in the 1980s and sat empty
for decades because nobody wanted to touch it.
And then eventually it was demolished and new
construction on top. Did you realize how this
illustrates the downfall of the bomb? Yep. More
and more ratting on each other. More and more
ratting on each other. And pretty soon there's
too many cracks in the foundation and it crumbles.
Yep. So, yeah. The rot from within eventually
gets most institutions. Yeah, what really kept
them in the game for so long was that right there.
No one knew anything. Yeah. Then you had... It
was the guy from the Colombo family who started
the Italian -American Anti -Defamation League.
Boston or something like that. Damn, his names
are on the tip of my tongue. But he was calling
way too much attention. Yes, it actually backfired
on him because people were starting to go, wait
a minute, what about this? What about that? Forget
it. People tend to think that Gotti was the first
one who really took the cover off, but no, it
was this guy. That happened around here, wasn't
it? One of them that came in, a real flashy guy.
Yeah. Yeah, didn't they talk about it on the
mob tour that we went on? Yeah, yeah. I remember
him being a little too out there, a little too
visible. Yeah, yeah, they didn't like him being
all flashy and good -looking and garnering all
this attention. So they're like, you know, we're
going to have to kill him. We don't like all
this attention. Yeah, and he had done some things
that the mob disapproved of. Yeah, that's true.
He was the one that they brought in one of the
machine guns used in the Valentine's Day massacre.
Yes. They brought it into Kansas City to use,
knowing that law enforcement would run the ballistics
and figure it out. Yeah. Because they wanted
to make a statement. That was a mission right
there. It was like, yeah, well, we've got a pretty
good idea who did this. What do you mean? The
gun. Pretty cool. And then there's still the,
there's one bullet hole left. The other one was
filled in. Unbeknownst to the people that knew
what it was. And they're like, hey, wait a minute.
I was like, no, I filled it in. Don't fill that
one in, asshole. Yeah, this is history. Yeah,
so. All right, you got any more? I've got a big
long list of record companies that are defunct
in the acts that you see. But we've got. Two
errors in 11 minutes here. Well, save it for
next time. I think so. Yeah, and I got a Coca
-Cola story that I'll do next time also. All
right. Everybody, thank you for listening because,
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