Alright, there we go. We are the music creeps.
We are the music creeps. You know, that goes
on until you make me laugh. Every time. I'm like,
I'm going to get all the way through it this
time. Nope. That will be a special episode when
we get all the way through that and maintain
our composure. Mark finally makes it through
one. That will be a gold star episode. And you
know, I got it recorded. I could insert it at
any time. This is much better. It's more fun.
It is. You should see the looks we get when we
do this out here at the city market. Good thing
I don't care what people think. Yeah, me too.
I got over that a long time ago. It shows. All
right, music creeps on board again. Okay. I sent
you a suggestion, and we both liked it enough
to do this. How about some of the best rhythm
sections? We never cover the bass and the drums.
And this is so near and dear to my heart because
I've been a drummer my entire life, always listening
to the bass player. This is the backbone of the
song. This is the skeleton of the song. This
is the song structure. If this is no good, the
song is no good. Not a lot. The black helicopters
are approaching. Hang on a second. Yeah, they
don't like us talking about rhythm sections.
They told us no, but we defied them. Oh, they're
spraying some chemical on us now. Oh, yeah. You're
in the chemtrails. Yeah, yeah. It's harmless,
though. You can eat it. I mean, yeah. Look at
Agent Orange. Yeah, DDT. Yeah, people eat that
shit all the time. Alright. Alright, so rhythm
sections. Yeah, you could include the keyboard
player in the rhythm section if you really wanted
to. You definitely could. Yeah, so we can throw
those in there if we'd like. Yeah, why not? That's
considered. And really, you know, the drums are
the rhythm, the heartbeat, and the bass is basically
the musical bridge between the rhythm and the
melody. The melody, yeah. So, I mean, the kick
drum and the bass guitar have got to be... married
to each other, basically, for the most part.
Yeah, and they really make the song, unless you
do some, well, we can get into this. There's
bassists that go off script. Yes, and there are
drummers that go off script. Yes, and it doesn't
matter because they did it in a format to where
it went with the song. It did not take away from
the song and actually add it to it. So we'll
get into that. For the most part, the ones I
came up with weren't really virtuosos at their
instrument, but the songs were just... much better
because they were there playing yeah i agree
and i couldn't imagine any and the other thing
i did was i couldn't imagine anyone else doing
it except them yeah i'm gonna put in some uh
some honorable mentions because we were you told
me top 10 oh so i gave my top 10 oh shit did
i say top 10 okay i guess i got more than that
so go ahead well i can add some more add some
more i'm sorry i didn't realize i said that um
all right so first up I have Journey. Ross Valerie
on bass back when Ainsley Dunbar was the drummer.
Oh, yeah. Back in the 70s. Yeah, yeah. That was
a monster rhythm section. Wheel in the Sky. Yes.
Walks Like a Lady. Yeah. Yeah. That was a hell
of a rhythm section. They switched to Steve Smith
afterwards, and he's great too, but... He just
didn't have the rock and roll heartbeat that
Ainsley Dunbar has. And the music changed, too.
It did. It really did. It changed considerably.
It became more radio -friendly, more polished
hits. Yeah. Ainsley joined the band when it was
a jam band, because that's what he wanted to
do. It was like, let's jam out for 10, 20 minutes
on a song and see what we get. But then they
started writing radio hits three to five minutes
long, and he was like, meh, I'm out. And it was
Robert Fleischman at first, wasn't it? Yeah.
Yeah, and then... Steve Perry. Steve Perry. And
then a plethora of other whatevers. Yeah, Arnel
Pineda. Yeah, and he's retiring. He's retiring,
yeah. Anyway, so... That's a good one. I've always
loved The Journeys. And if you want to put Greg
Raleigh on Keys in there, he left also about
the same time as Ainsley because it wasn't a
jam band anymore, and he's replaced by Jonathan
Cain from The Babies. Yeah. I would. I would.
I'd put Greg Rawley in that. He was so much to
their rhythm and their sound, I would say yes.
Yeah. I've got, my first one, is Ginger Baker
and Jack Bruce. Oh, yeah. The stuff that Baker
did and Bruce did in tandem but against, you
know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't quite
make the cut for my top ten, but yeah. They're
good. They're awesome. Well, I always appreciated
their angle. They never came at it from the song
point of view. They came at it from their point
of view of what they should do to make another
song inside a song. Is the way I'd kind of put
it. Yeah, I mean, take a song like the White
Room. Yeah. There's so many times when the drummer
does a fill. which usually ends in the cymbal
crash. But he doesn't. He just goes right back
to the high half. There's no payoff. Here's the
fill. And then just right back into the rhythm.
And it's like, oh, where is the payoff? And he
just does it over and over. And I find myself
listening specifically to that part of the song.
It's like, what made him choose to just not do
that? And then when he finally did hit the crash,
it was like, oh, thank you. There it is. Thank
you. That's decent songwriting. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I really appreciated their style. Yeah.
I mean, they're not the best, of course, but
their style was unique. Yeah. All right, next
one. And he's probably the premier red -haired
drummer. Yeah, that's true. Another one I would
say put up there with him is Myron Grombacher,
who played for and probably still plays for Pat
Benatar. So you think back of Pat Minotaur songs.
Yeah. He's an awesome drummer. I've seen him
live. Guy's a monster. He really is. He's way
better than people generally give him credit
for. Think about like Hit Me With Your Best Shot
and songs like that. Yeah. There are some songs
that they used a drum machine on, but it was
the 80s. Yeah, you used drum machines on everything.
Red -haired drummers, I'd put Myron up there
along with Ginger. Yeah, I would too. I would
too. All right, my next one is, you probably
have this, Deep Purple. Yes, I got him on there
too. I chose the version with Roger Glover on
bass, Ian Pace on drums. But you could easily
go Glenn Hughes and Ian Pace. Roger Glover, to
me, I liked his bass style a little bit better.
It seems to me like Glenn Hughes is more of a
heartbeat, you know. But either one of them had
their ups and downs. I mean, they were more famous
with the Mach 2 lineup, and that would be with
Glover and Pace. So, yeah, I agree with that
100%. If you want to see what kind of drummer
Ian Pace is, check out some of his work he's
done outside of Deep Purple. He'll never get
the credit he deserves. He plays what the Deep
Purple song needs without showing off. But when
he does stuff outside of Purple, he doesn't show
off. And you realize, damn, this guy's a monster.
We saw him a few years back in St. Louis. Yeah,
that was good. And that shows what at least...
An hour and 20, if not longer. If not a little
bit longer. And Ian Pace never stopped. Not once.
And he was close to 70. Yeah. And he is still
just banging it like always. Monster drummer.
Yeah, monster drummer. And he is almost like
a lead. His drumming is almost like a lead. True.
It's fully a fifth instrument in the band. Yeah,
yeah. It really is. Yeah. And he'll never get
the credit he deserves because you always hear
Richie Blackmore. john lord yeah you know you
had so many good great players in that band they
kind of got lost in the shuffle yeah i mean uh
was ian gillan and then david coverdale and glenn
hughes yeah i mean you got such prolific people
everywhere else it's kind of like oh yeah and
there's ian pace too yeah but he really yeah
he's he's great he's really good um i like that
one okay my next one is i think probably you
might have this too Golf clap for the siren.
In light of yesterday's weather, the siren's
probably like going, am I getting overtime? Yeah.
Yeah, it's like we got a full performance from
those sirens yesterday for real. Yeah, yeah.
So testing them today seems a little excessive.
That is the loudest, that is the longest I've
ever heard the sirens consecutively. That seemed
like about three minutes. Oh, yeah. If not longer.
Yeah. Yeah, it just kept going, and then it'd
go off, and then they'd issue another one. And
they'd fire them back up again. They'd fire them
back up again. In case you forgot. Hey, by the
way, another one formed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
got it. It's close. Somebody flushed the toilet
and noticed that swirly pattern in the water,
and they panicked. Yeah, they hit the button.
Yeah. All right. I think your turn for a rhythm
section. All right. Went John Paul Jones and
John Bonham. Oh, yes. I'll have to cross those
off because I got those two. Well, no, no, no.
You can do yours too. I mean, the way I look
at it is you're telling your point of view. Yeah,
I'll still talk about it. Yeah, yeah. So I think
it's pretty obvious. John Bonham with his straightforward
style and not really no frills, hard hitting,
just a great rhythm. I mean, he had timing, impeccable
timing, just perfect. He was well known for the
things he would leave out. That would make the
rhythm so much better. Yeah. Nothing fancy, but
just good. And he was so smooth and fluid. With
a single kick, he did stuff that double kick
players find challenging. Yeah. Yeah, that's
a good point. That's a good way of putting it.
That's just amazing. And John Paul Jones is basically
a guitarist. Yeah. You know, I know a bass is
a guitar, but he's basically a rhythm guitarist.
And he's a keyboard player. He wrote most of
the songs on the keys. He wrote a lot of songs
on the keys, and songs that I love. After Jimmy
Page kind of gave up the songwriting, John Paul
Jones said, all done. He was at Aleister Crowley's
old house doing smack. Didn't have enough time
to write a song. Well, at least he was spending
his time with intellectual pursuits. He's 82,
done smack. Basically Satan worshiper, I guess,
maybe, or something like that. Or just thought
it was cool. Probably just thought it was cool.
Heroin addict is still alive. Anyhow, 82. Mick
Jagger, Keith Richards. Anyhow. Okay, for obvious
reasons there. I mean, John Paul Jones is so
good, and he works so well with the simplicity
but heavy hitting of John Bonham. Yeah. I mean,
a good one would be Cashmere. Think of that song.
Think of the beat on that song. It's like a heartbeat.
Yes. And then the bass comes in behind it and
reassures you of what that is. It's perfect.
It's such a weird rhythm anyhow. Such a weird
song, but great song. Yeah, yeah. It's fun watching
reaction videos to people who've never heard
that song before. Yeah. And watch their eyes
get real big. It's like, I've never even heard
music like this before. Well, welcome to Led
Zeppelin. Well, I mean, it was interesting because
Cashmere has such a weird rhythm. It's kind of
like a Middle Eastern rhythm. Yeah. And so does
another guy that did that very well was Richie
Blackmore. Yeah. He did that on a lot of Rainbow
songs, and he also did that on Perfect Strangers.
The bridge in there. And it's just something
that the real creative best guitarists can do.
The ones that are their own that really wasn't
looking at anybody else. They're just doing their
thing. And very influential. I'm sitting here
in my head thinking about how they did the cashmere.
They did the da -da -da, and then they did it
backwards. Da -da -da, da -da -da. It's on the
backward part of the next beat. Yeah, that's
right. And then they flipped it forward, then
backward, then forward. At least that's how it
seems in my mind. They flip it each time they
play it. And I don't know if they planned it
like that, or when they played it, they go, this
is the way it should be played. Who knows? Genius
song. Yeah, amazing. All right, my next is Fog
Hat. The rhythm section of Nick Jameson on bass
and Roger Earle on drums. Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah. Wow. Now think of the Fool for the City
album. You had Fool for the City and Slow Ride,
and there were a couple other hits on there.
But listen to the bass playing on Slow Ride.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'll make you just drool.
It's like, how can someone have that much talent?
And I've seen Foghat live twice, I think. The
first time it was all the original guys, and
the second time it was like... Lonesome Dave.
Lonesome Dave, Rod the Bottle. Yeah. But I think
the second time I saw him, the drummer was the
only original member left. And the dude was like
100 years old and still just... I mean, he plays
like 300 days a year and just loves it. The guy's
a machine. So he's pretty amazing. They were
playing in Kearney, Missouri a couple years ago
at some little amphitheater they had there. It
almost went just, it didn't have any original
members, but I was just like, why not? And they
started in the late 60s. That's how long they've
been. It's crazy they've been around so long.
They have a really cool logo. They do. I love
their logo. Yeah. The original logo was a guy
with this weird hat on his head, and it was a
fog hat because it was the hat he wore when he
smoked weed. It created a fog of weed smoke.
And then they improvised it as they went on,
and then it became kind of almost like sketch
art. Yeah, it kind of looks like neon tubing.
Yeah, neon tubing. The way it bends and floats.
Yeah, it's a cool logo. The whole cycle of their
emblems. Yeah, it's like at a certain point they
decided, I guess we should take this a little
more seriously and get that weed hat off of our
helmet covers. Yeah, and just do this. But I
love the weed hat. I do too. That was cool. All
right, the next one I have is Geezer Butler and
Bill Ward. Absolutely. Those two. There was a
time, I'm sorry to admit, when I thought that
Bill Ward was a pretty crappy drummer. I did
too. Because I just really didn't heard him much.
I really hadn't heard much from him. And I listened
to more of what he did, and I saw videos of him
playing live. I was like, whoa, this guy's awesome.
He's pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah. He had to keep
up with Geezer Butler. Geezer Butler's insane.
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Especially with the Ozzy stuff.
Yeah. The Dio stuff is more straightforward because
of the songs, Heaven and Hell and stuff like
that. But the stuff he did with Ozzy, the psychedelic
sounding stuff, he just goes off on his own tangent.
Yeah, he's a very hard -working man, and he plays
a lot of notes. Yeah, he does. I mean, he's another
one that plays guitar on bass. Kind of like Lemmy.
Yeah, yeah. He's one of those one -name guys,
Lemmy. Lemmy, and everyone's watching Lemmy and
nobody else, not Campbell. Is it Phil Campbell
as guitarist? That sounds right. Yeah, yeah,
everyone's watching Lemmy. And Phil Campbell
was fine. He was great. I loved him. But it was
like, nah, there's Lemmy. We're watching him.
Look at the thing on his face, man. Oh, my God.
Is that thing going to grow? The thing is, he
admitted it. He goes, yeah. He was talking about
glam bands and stuff like that. He goes, God
bless him. He goes, I wish I could do that, but
I'm too fucking ugly. No kidding. He was cool
because he loved all the glam bands. He didn't
care. All the other ones were going, oh, they're
pussies. He was like, let them do what they want.
He goes, man, they're making their money. I'll
do mine, you know. He was the kind of guy, he
literally just wanted to play and then go back
home to his apartment. Drink Jack. Yeah, walk
down to the pub down the street and drink with
his friends. He did that his whole life. He did?
He was just a regular working class kind of guy.
Yeah, and another interesting thing about him
is he just had his last bullet fired off. Oh,
okay. And I think it was Zach Wild that did it.
He had his ashes put in bullets, and his closest
friends all got a bullet, and they were instructed
to fire it off sometime. That's cool. But what
we knew about him, he had a rare form of very
aggressive cancer, and he found out about like
three days before he died. Oh, gosh. So it was
my understanding that he had a big party. I would,
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that was your music news. If it's too loud, you
probably have ear damage, just like me. I'm leaving
this place like I started it. What kind of blowout
can we put together in a day or two? I would
love to see footage of that, but I bet you there's
none. It was destroyed. Or it just melted the
film. It melted the film. It burst into flames.
Let's see. Next up I have Rush. Oh, I can't believe
I... Or do I have that? I sure do. I sure do.
So Geddy Lee on bass, and what's his name on
the drums? Neil. I think it's Pert, but a lot
of people call it Peart and Peart or something
like that. Yeah, he started out, and everyone
pronounced it Pert, and then at a certain point
in his career, he said... I prefer you pronounce
it Peart, because that's the way it's supposed
to be. Yeah, that was Peart. And then after a
few more years, he said, you know what, it really
doesn't matter. Call me Peart. Yeah, whatever
you want to do, I don't care. Yeah, he was kind
of a conflicted guy anyway. Yeah. He was a very
interesting character. Yeah. Went through hell.
Yes. It was like in the span of one year, his
wife died and his daughter died. Geez. Very tragic.
And then he developed brain cancer like so many
other drummers do. Yeah. For no apparent reason.
I mean, you better get myself checked for brain
cancer. Yeah, yes. I don't think I've ever had
my head scanned. Is it the jarring? I don't know.
Who knows? Yeah, anyhow. We might just be born
with damaged brains. That's what cancer looks
on to. It looks for a damaged area. Something
that's wrong or disrupted. And those are people
who want to go hit something. Yeah. I'm going
to pick up this stick. and hit this thing, but
very musically. Yeah, yeah. You know that really
cool thing at guitar? No, no, no, no. Give me
something I can hit, man. I respect drummers.
A good drummer makes a song, always. I think
so. Anyhow, I can't agree with that more because
it's on mine, too. My next one would be Gieser
Butler and Veniapacy. Oh. They were unique on
their heaviness. Yeah, yeah. Gieser changed his
style completely with Vinnie Appesee and Ronnie
James Deer. Yeah, boy, I'm sitting here listening
in my head. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. It wasn't
that almost jazzy stuff that they did before.
I mean, the psychedelic weird stuff. This was
like... Yeah. You know. Very more concise, controlled.
It had more of a structure. Yeah, and the rhythm
was so tight. I mean, I don't know how they could
have made it any tighter. Yeah, there's certain
songs that are driving kind of songs, and you
need that really tight, solid rhythm to just
keep the momentum going and keep you charging
ahead. Almost hypnotic. Yeah. Love it. Yeah,
to me, that brings them on this list. Yeah, definitely.
Next up, I have Dream Theater. Oh, yeah. John
Myung on bass and Mike Portnoy back on drums.
I did not get him. Okay, but yeah, I agree with
that. Mike Mangini filled in when Portnoy left,
but Portnoy's back. Portnoy was much... I mean,
Mangini is good. Very good, yeah. But Portnoy
gave it that extra... Yes. Yeah. There's a video
out for their new song called Night Terror. Yeah.
I would recommend watching that video. I would
too, yes. That showcases everybody pretty well.
Dream Theater is a musician's band. Yeah. You
know, they may not get a hell of a lot of radio
play or even recognition, but any musician that's
into rock, even if it's classic rock or new rock
or middle rock, they all mention Dream Theater.
They're like, oh, man, they have talented bands.
They go, oh, yeah, what about Dream Theater?
And everyone's like, oh, gosh, yeah. And the
members of Dream Theater give that same kind
of credit to Frank Zappa. Yes, yeah, which I
appreciate because they're right. Mike Portnoy,
in the acknowledgments on one album, he said,
I'd like to thank Frank Zappa from whom we all
sprang. And it's cool, too, because the music
obviously is completely different. The lyrics
are completely different. The attitude is vastly
different. Vastly different. Zappa wanted to
piss you off. Yeah, yeah, Zappa was trying to
piss you off and make you think at the same time.
Where Dream Theater is just like talent. Telling
stories. Yeah, telling stories, yeah. But I did,
I was like you, I appreciated that they said
that, that he said that. It's like, yeah. I was
just thinking, after their second album. Dream
Theater's keyboard player quit, and Jordan Rudess
came on in his place. Yeah. And I don't even
remember the name of the original keyboard player.
He was good. I mean, he was at Berklee School
of Music just along with the rest of them, but
he thought grunge was a much cooler way to go.
And seriously, grunge and keyboards, they just
weren't there. No, no, no. But the guy just fell
off the face of the earth. I've never heard a
single word about him since. I'm trying to think
of a grunge song that has keyboards. Not really
any of them. I don't think any of them. Unless
you count some of those Radiohead songs, but
they weren't really grunge. Yeah, those were
alternative. Yeah, but grunge was all about just
heavily distorted or fuzz box guitars. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, I didn't get it. Yeah, I don't either.
Okay, all right. Next one I have is Roger Glover,
Ian Pace, and I'm going to go ahead and include
these into Glenn Hughes and Ian Pace. Yeah. I
like both of them, and it's kind of like... Vinnie
Appesee and Geezer Butler and Bill Ward and Geezer
Butler. Same thing. Different type of music,
different type of tempo, but both strong in their
own way. I would say that probably Roger Glover,
like you, and Ian Pace, to me, were the main
attraction. And then Glenn Hughes, he was a great
bassist too, but his singing is what stands out
on him. He does a falsetto that... I don't know
who can hit. Chris Isaac, maybe. Yeah, Chris
Isaac probably. But he hits his falsettos with
a much softer voice, whereas some singers can
hit that really high note with a lot of power.
And I guess Adam Lambert can do that, too. I've
never heard him, but I've heard that. I've heard
Adam Lambert does that, too. Roger, no, John
Deacon. I guess John Deacon can do that, wouldn't
he? Oh, no, it was the drummer. No, it was Roger
Taylor. Roger Taylor, yeah. He sang lead on some
of the songs. He didn't realize he was singing
lead on some of those. Like, I'm in love with
my car. Yeah. That was Roger. And also, coincidentally,
Glenn Hughes did too. Yeah. He sang lead too.
Now, there was still David Coverdell singing
backup, but there's a lot of verses that people
don't realize that Glenn Hughes is actually singing
the main chorus, and David Coverdell is in the
background doing the background. And a lot of
people don't realize that. And the only reason
they went ahead and got a lead singer is because
Richie Blackmore wanted a four -piece band. He
did not like the idea of like, he was like, no,
we need a lead singer out there. And that's why
they searched around and got covered. And when
they got him in there, everybody looked at each
other, I was reading up on this, and said, yes,
that's the guy. Because he hit a note like Robert
Plant. And every one of them, I guess there was
like three or four of them in a room. And every
one of them spun around. Who is that guy? Yeah,
and they go, that guy right there. So that would
have been neat to see that audition, I can tell
you that. But, yeah, so both of them, great.
And same reason you like them, too. I mean, yeah,
they're just... Especially Ian Pace. Like we
said, everything we said about Ian Pace, and
then so much more we can't. Yeah. And that was
a fun -ass concert, wasn't it? Yeah, it was.
Oh, yeah. Alice Cooper opened, and then they
had Deep Purple. Yeah, didn't Edgar Winter start?
Yeah, Edgar Winter. I forgot about that. Yeah.
That was cool. It was good, yeah. Yeah, that
was a great concert. I forgot the name of the
amphitheater. It was right there. It was St.
Charles, St. Louis area. Yeah, open area. It
was right on the Missouri River. Yeah. Yeah,
I can't remember. Hollywood? Was it Hollywood
Amphitheater? I think it's Hollywood Amphitheater.
That sounds right. Yeah. I'll tell you what.
If you ever get a chance to go to Hollywood Amphitheater,
do it. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's nice. It's
easy in, easy out. Oh, it was great. All right.
Oh, I wanted to mention, you were talking about
Vinnie. Vinnie Appesee, his brother Carmine,
who pronounced his last name Appesee, that's
how I tell them apart. Yeah, me too. But Carmine
Appesee had an endorsement deal with Ludwig,
and he was out there touring with Rod Stewart
and the Faces, and he had this big clear Vistalite
Ludwig kit. And this drummer from this up -and
-coming band said, oh man, that drum set's really
cool, I really like that, I'd love to have one
like it. And he said... No problem. Let me introduce
you to Bob Ludwig, and we'll get you hooked up
with an endorsement deal. And this drummer wanted
one just like his, but in a single bass configuration,
because Carmine played a double kick. That was
John Bonoff. That's how he got his clear Ludwig
kit, is because Carmine, at peace, hooked him
up. I know they were really close. Yeah. Oh,
wow. Yeah, he introduced him to Bob Ludwig. I
think the third, who was, maybe it was the second,
but he was running the artist relations at that
point. I think it was maybe the third. Carmine
was still endorsing Ludwig when he wasn't really
doing music. Yeah. I mean, in the 80s, he was
doing some stuff, but I mean, you know, Vanilla
Fudge and Rod Stewart and all that. Cactus. Cactus,
yeah. Yeah, he was putting out instructional
books, too. Yes, but he was still endorsing him,
and that's how solid Carmine a piece is. Both
of them great drummers. They're completely different.
Very different. Completely different, but great
drummers. Anyway, that was my little aside about
that. I like that a lot. That's good. So my next
rhythm section is Jimi Hendrix. The Jimi Hendrix
experience. Yeah. Noel Redding on bass, Mitch
Mitchell on drums. Wow, that's a good one. And
there's a very famous movie scene where I can't
remember. I think it was Eddie Murphy or someone
like that. who's talking about music with somebody,
and he's arguing, no fucking way did Jimi Hendrix
have an all -white rhythm section. No fucking
way. And the guy holds the album cover up, and
he's like, ah, he's screaming. That was just
like when Led Zeppelin met, that is funny enough.
That's just like when Led Zeppelin was waiting
to meet Jimi Hendrix, and they thought that the
black guy there was a roadie. And then I think
it's John Bonham who goes, well, where is this
Jimi Hendrix guy? And he goes, you've been talking
to him. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You don't
play music like that. You mean he's not that
white guy in England who makes amplifiers? That's
not him. Different James Marshall. Yeah. But
everybody thinks James Marshall was named after
him. I used to do that all the time. Yeah. It's
just coincidental. And everyone would agree.
They'd be like, ah, cool. Yeah. Would have made
sense to name the amps after him. It would have
been, but yeah. He did use Marshall amps, by
the way. He did? Yeah. But so did everybody.
Yeah, pretty much everybody used Marshalls. So,
that's my next. Okay. Bob Daisley, Cozy Pal.
I like Cozy. Yeah. R .I .P. Cozy. Bob Daisley.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Bob Daisley was such an intricate
part of so many bands like Blizzard of Oz, Rainbow,
Uriah Heep. Yeah. Gosh, there's so many. That
was another good rhythm section was in Uriah
Heep. I could have went there, too. I didn't
think about it. Take me across the water because
I need some place to hide. That's a great song.
Stealing when I should have been buying. Yeah,
that was it. Yeah, that was it. Sometimes I have
to sing the lyrics to remember the title. And
they have, like, fun. Because I'm old. Me, too.
They have like 500 albums. Yeah, yeah. Elton
John loaned his drummer, Nigel Olsen, to Uriah
Heath for a tour because Uriah Heath was without
a drummer for some reason. And Elton wasn't doing
anything. He was like, yeah, go ahead. I was
at a drum clinic with Nigel Olsen a number of
years back, and that was one of the stories he
told us. It was pretty cool going on tour with...
Totally different band, totally different. I
was used to the way Elton did everything. I bet
that would have been me. I was out here with
Uriah Heep and we're all a band. It was a really
great experience. I really enjoyed it. That's
cool. Bob Daisley will never get the credit he
deserves. Probably not. Also, he writes songs.
He's a great songwriter. Really good. He's behind
most of Blizzard of Oz, the album. Diary of a
Madman. I wish we could trust the songwriting
credits to see who really writes these songs,
but there's a lot of them where they'll give
credit to somebody because they want to make
sure he gets paid. Yes. So it's like most of
the Alice Cooper hits. are credited to all five
members of the band, even if they didn't really
write it, because that was a way to make sure
when the song became a big hit, everybody got
paid. And that's because Alice Cooper was a solid
guy. Yeah. There's also some not -so -solid people
in the industry, too. David Bowie. Yeah. Everybody
loves him. He screwed a lot of people over. He
paid Stevie Ray Vaughan base union scale for
a whole tour. Oh. He said, that's all I'm going
to pay you. The absolute minimum I'm legally
required to. He lived with Glenn Hughes for like
a year rent free. Yeah. He was notoriously cheap.
He was. The dude had money though. Yeah. He did
have money. Yeah. Not anymore. No. His widow
has money. Yeah. So, anyhow, Bob Daisley, but
Cozy Pal, I don't really need to say anymore.
Yeah. Cozy Pal, such a fantastic drummer. Like
you said, R .I .P. One of my favorite drummers
of all time, actually. I actually liked him better
in Emerson, Lake, and Powell than I did Carl
Palmer in Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. I did, too.
I did, too. Carl Palmer was good and fast and
fun, but he was sloppy, and his timekeeping was
off. That song, Carnival 9, Welcome Back My Friends
to the Show That Never Ends. There's a middle
section there where he does a drum break, and
he speeds way the fuck up. Way up. I'll have
to re -listen to that, but I think I know what
you're talking about. And then after the drum
break, after a few measures of the drum break,
the vocals come back in, and it slows down just
slightly. And then the whole band comes in and
it's a big noticeable slowdown because they had
to stop and start again at the correct tempo.
Oh, we damn. Because when he went into the done
break, he just went, he accelerated about two
and a half times. So that's sloppy. I like Powell
better. Yeah, I like, I mean, I like Carl Palmer.
I like to say, yeah, Carl Palmer's fine, but
I like the songwriting with Powell better anyhow.
So anyhow, all right. All right, well, my next
one up. is The Who. John N. Twistle on bass and
Keith Moon on the drums. That's a great one.
Gotta be Mooney on the drums. I got that down,
Matt. Keith Moon. Too bad he passed away so young.
It's like they said, everything you've heard,
all those stories you've heard about Keith Moon,
they're all true. And then some more. And you've
only heard about 10 % of them. Yes. And that's
pretty much the way he was. It's just amazing.
That was in Glenn Hughes' book, too, his autobiography,
about him walking around in a Nazi uniform and
all this shit. Putting a waterbed mattress in
and out, trying to put it in an elevator and
send it down the floor so when the doors opened
up, this big waterbed mattress would fall out
on somebody. They got it halfway out of the frame
and it burst. And it burst. It flooded the room
and the room below. He was a rock star of rock
stars. And he was just like the perfect publicity
for that band, too. He kept them front and center
in everyone's attention. He's priceless. He made
brown M &M's look nothing. He made throwing TVs
out a 30 -story window nothing. And there was
that famous fishing incident. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Look that up. I'm not going to say it.
Yeah, yeah. It happened in Seattle at the Edgewater
Hotel. Yeah. And it is a groupie and a fish.
That's all you need to put in. Google it. Yeah,
yeah. I think some members of Led Zeppelin were
involved. They were. They were. Now, it's argued
whether Carmine Apice or if John Bonham did the
actual whatever happened. Yes. The actual fish
incident. Yeah. Since Bonham isn't around anymore
to defend himself. Might as well blame him. He's
blamed. Blame the dead guy. Yep, blame the dead
guy. But rumor has it, people that were there
said, no, it was actually Vanilla Fudge that
started that, and Led Zeppelin was watching,
and it was probably Carmine Apiece that actually
did that. And the legend is that Zapper wrote
his song. Mud Shark? Yes. About this incident.
And he was talking about Vanilla Fudge specifically
in that song. Yes, he was. So I guess he knew
something that other people didn't. Zappa heard
stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Whose turn
is it? We got all carried away. I did the who.
Oh, okay. I got Chris Squire and Bill Bruford.
Yes. Oh, I forgot them. Definitely. Oh, my God.
Yeah. Their progressive stuff. Oh my gosh. Mind
-boggling stuff. Yeah. I mean, the songs are
great, but I always lost myself in their rhythm.
Yeah. Because it just went on these tangents
of everything. And I'm just sitting there going,
I've forgotten what song it is listening to.
I know, it changes so many times and you're off
on this. I remember reading in a drum room magazine
that Bill Bruford really didn't understand. Those
time signatures and the way they changed all
that well, he was just incredibly good at memorizing
long, complex passages. Wow. So he wouldn't play
thinking, okay, now we're in 5 -4, okay, now
we're doing two measures of 7 -8, okay, now we're
back to 5 -4. No, he just memorized. Who wrote
that then? I think Squire wrote a lot of it.
Squire. The guitar player. Who was the guitar
player? Oh, shit. Damn it. It starts with a T.
Tom, Tony, something. Yeah. I can picture him.
He's an unusual looking guy. Anyway, he wrote
a number of them. Okay. Well, that's interesting.
Wow, okay. But, yeah, I mean, their body of work
is insane. Yeah. So. Yeah, growing up learning
to play the drums, I stayed away from, yes. I
just, it was like really discouraging to try
to play those songs when I was just starting
out. You can be an experienced drummer and not
get it. Yeah, I mean, if you don't understand
that style or that mindset, it's like I struggle
with swing music. I could understand that, yeah,
because it's so different. I can play the swing
rhythm, but I don't know how to put the accents
in, how to do the fill. I can do shuffle, but
swing is just a different animal. I just don't
play it enough. It's got its own signature that
is just, yeah, okay. All right, your turn. Okay.
Tool. Justin Chancellor on bass and Danny Carey
from Lawrence Kansas on drums. Local guy. I used
to go to the same drum shop as Danny Carey. I
never actually ran into him there, but he and
I used to both patronize Explorers Percussion.
Oh, Explorers. Yeah, I know them. Yeah, and Waldo.
Yeah. They're out of business now because Wes
retired. Yeah, yeah. I found Wes on Facebook
selling some stuff for the widow of a drummer
he knew really well. So I bought some pretty
good stuff off him that way. I wonder what happened
to him. I didn't know he retired. Well, that's
good. I thought maybe just clientele became different.
No, he's my age. We went to college together.
Okay. And he's been in business. I mean, when
he was in college, he was running it out of his
garage. So he's been running Explorer's Percussion
in one form or another since 1979, 1980. I couldn't
remember who told me that. You told me that.
Yeah, wow. I think he had four or five different
locations, and I've been to every one except
the one in his garage. I didn't go to that one.
Oh, man. Yeah, Tool is insane. The reaction videos
to Tool songs, especially there's one out there
where they're performing Numa. And it's the drum
cam sponsored by his drumstick company, Vic Firth.
And that's usually what people see on the, do
the reaction videos too. And it's pretty amazing.
Just the independence of motion and the way he
can work dynamics into, he takes something complex
and difficult and then he works dynamics in.
A little louder, a little softer, a little louder.
It's like, oh my God, how many brains do you
have in your head? It's just crazy. You know,
sometimes I think, I've got pretty good independence
of movement. And I watch them and it's like,
or Terry Bozio. That's when you go home with
your head down. Yeah. And then you got to realize,
okay, I fill my role. He fills his role. His
role is different than mine. It doesn't mean
anything. You can do it, champ. I'd be in the
mirror going, I can do it, champ. I can do it.
All right. My next one, or no, it's your turn.
I did two of them. Oh, it didn't matter. This
is underrated, but I'm telling you, really, there
was a magic to it. Chris Novoselic and Dave Grohl.
Yeah. It wasn't the most complex. It wasn't the
most unique. It wasn't the most rhythmic. There
was a certain force and power in it that gave
it a feel that it needed to be. Yeah. And especially
on, you know, Nevermind album. Yeah. The songwriting
on that, specifically because of those two. And
they did go through, I think, five different
drummers before they settled on Dave Grohl. In
fact, there's one of the songs on Nevermind that
is actually the previous drummer. They used that
recording. I can't remember which one it was.
It wasn't a big song. But it was one of those.
It's like on the first Boston album. Sib Hashian
isn't the drummer on all of those songs. The
other, the former drummer, the one that Tom Scholz
really wanted, still played the drums on a few
of those recordings. Oh, okay, I didn't know
that. Yeah, but the label said, no, you need
Sib. It worked out to be the right choice. I
mean, he was perfect for them. Kind of like what
I understand of Wes Gantland. They told him,
the record company said, we want you and nobody
else in your band. Yeah. If that's true, I don't
know. That's what I heard, too. The rest of the
band came home. And dejected. Yep. They said
no. And start over. Yep. Sucks. All right. Oh,
okay. I just did one. Yep. And they're not the
most talented. And I can see why anyone would
go, oh, bullshit. But I kind of feel it just
because of the feel that they came up with. And
it's pretty important in a three -piece like
that. The rhythm section really has to carry
the day when the guitar player is soloing. Or
maybe the guitar player drops out from playing
so he can sing. Which he did quite, yeah. Yeah,
you've got to have a solid foundation there to
keep going. Well, a good one is Smells Like Teen
Spirit. Yeah. Where the intro, when Kurt Cobain
starts singing, is a rhythm section only. Yeah.
And then he breaks in with a couple of licks.
And that's a great example right there. And that
is a great example of why I thought they were
so good. Yeah. It's interesting, I did not put
ZZ Top on my list. Predominantly because for
most of their hits, it's a drum machine. It's
a live bass player in Dusty Hill, but it was
a drum machine on drums. I'm not voting for a
drum machine. No, me neither. It was good, but
nothing really stood out that much, and probably
because it was a drum machine. And it was being
programmed by a guitar player. Yeah, that's true.
Another good point. Yeah. All right, my next
one is Bad Company. Buzz Burrell on bass and
Simon Kirk on drums. I should have caught that
one. Of the two, Simon Kirk was by far the better.
Buzz Burrell had practiced a lot to keep up with
the rest of the band. He really wasn't all that
great a bass player, but he got it done when
it counted. The off -kilter rhythm to The Sky
is Burning. Buzz Burrell came up with that. It
was just a straight 4 -4 beat until he said,
no, how about this? Made the whole song, became
the title track of the album. I mean, that's
contribution. And Simon Kirk is such a beast.
Oh, God. It's deceptive because what you're listening
to is like, okay, that's pretty standard beat,
and then you try to play it and it just doesn't
sound like it because he's just doing it just
right. He has that thing. He has that whatever
it is that can do that. I'd put him right up
there with Joey Kramer of Aerosmith. Easily.
They're the same kind of drummer. They're just
dead rock solid perfect, and if they weren't
there, your band wouldn't be where it is. I agree.
Just wouldn't. Yeah. And another thing is the
value of having Paul Rogers as a singer. Yeah.
Didn't over sing. No. That straightforward rhythm
rock was exactly what they needed was his voice.
Yeah. They couldn't have had like a Robert Plant
or somebody, and I think that's why they went
after him. Yeah. They got Paul Rogers and Simon
Kirk from the band Free. Yeah. They have the
song All Right Now. Yeah. Paul Kosoff was a guitar
player in that band who... He was an excellent
guitar player, but just drank himself to death
by 1975, I think. Yeah. Another one that did
that was Rory Gallagher. Yeah. He was really
unique and had a lot of different melodies and
stuff, but he didn't have that many hit songs,
but guitarists really knew him really well. Yeah.
And he drank himself to death, too. Anyhow, I'm
sorry. Go ahead. Saw a story the other day about
the origin of the Bad Company name. Uh -huh.
They were putting the band together. They had
all the members. Mick... Ralphs is the guitar
player. Mick Jones is in Ford, or Mick Ralphs
is in Bad Co. And they were like, and he was
on the phone with Mick, and they were talking
about band names. And Paul said, how about Bad
Company? And Mick said, no, that's the title
of the song you wrote. And he said, I know, but
it'd be a good name for a band. And they said,
Mick just dropped the phone. And then he picked
it up and said, that's it. That's our name. So
the band was named after the song that Paul Rogers
had already written. I love that name. But the
song itself was written based on a movie. Did
you ever know that? No, I didn't. There's a Bad
Company movie that's more recent, like 80s or
90s. But there's one from 1972, I think it was,
called Bad Company. Jeff Bridges is in it and
a newcomer named Blair Brown. Oh, good. It's
basically the story of the song. The song goes,
Rebel souls, deserters we are called, chose the
gun and threw away the sword. The movie is about
civil war in the South, and the war is going
badly, so they're drafting young teenagers and
younger, and they're taking this wagon with a
jail cell on it from farm to farm, and if they
find somebody of military age, they drag them
in. bindings and throw them into that cell and
said you're in the army now boy oh wow so that's
what they were escaping from these these you
know kids between like 12 and 17 just went on
the run living as thieves and and gunfighters
because they didn't want to go to war and the
movie's pretty fascinating and pretty grim but
the song is just it's a description of the movie
one thing you got to be warned of in the movie
There's a scene where they're hunting a rabbit.
They actually shoot and kill a real rabbit on
camera to film the scene. They actually murder
a rabbit right in front of you. So if you don't
want to see that, you know, don't watch the rabbit
scene. Okay. Well, I'll probably still watch
it, but anyhow. Okay. It's not as bad as that
movie Come and See, which was about the Russian
partisans in World War II. They actually murder
a cow with machine guns. Oh. Yeah. Live right
there on camera. It was actually done. That would
have been horrible. It was a real thing that
the soldiers did. They'd find some livestock.
They'd just shoot it, kill it, and eat it. But
they didn't have to actually murder a cow with
machine guns to make their point. That was just
disgusting. I watched the movie once. Incredible
movie. Really makes its point well. Never need
to see it again. It's a Russian production. Come
and see. After you say that, I agree 100%. All
right, my next one is Keith Moon and John Entwistle,
but I'm going to go ahead, and then I have Geddy
Lee and Neil Peart. I mean, we already went over
both of them. I don't know what else to say.
I mean, Keith Moon was insane in a lot of ways.
Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, Geddy Lee plays guitar,
basically, with his bass, his lead bass. Neil
Peart is Neil Peart. He's not as excessive as,
say, Les Claypool of Primus. No. He's excessive
in my opinion. I agree. I agree. Like Tom Peterson
of Cheap Trick, he played rhythm guitar on bass.
Yeah. He also invented the guitar, the bass guitar
that you turn upside down, and it was octave,
and you turned it upright in its bass. 12 -string
bass. 12 -string, yeah. And there was a time
when there were 12 volume controls on it. I think
just the looks. Yeah, they finally cut that down,
yes. But it was intimidating because I saw one
at a music store and I'm like, what the hell
do you do with this? And even the guy there is
like... I don't know. I need to go to college
to learn how to operate the tone circuit on this
damn thing. Like you said, I hope it has an instruction
manual because I don't know what to do with all
this. They didn't have YouTube back then. Tom
Peterson was too good. That's the problem. He
overthought it. But actually, the idea itself
is brilliant. One of the most common uses of
that bass is Jeremy by Pearl Jam. The guitar
-ish bassist sound at first. That starts and
ends the song. Yes. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,
and think of that tone that they get there. Insanely
good. Yeah. So, anyhow, we can go to you. Those
two are mine. Here's my honorable mention. This
is the early Elton John. And I'm talking early,
early Elton John. Refresh me. It was just bass,
drums, and keyboard. The entire band was a rhythm
section. Really? Yeah. He had at least two albums
and a live album called 11 -17 -70, because that's
the date it was recorded. And it was just bass
drums and piano. And they had songs like Burn
Down the Mission. 60 Years On was another one.
I'm trying to remember some of the... Anyway,
not real big hits, but... It was really fascinating
to listen to just three musicians. Yeah. No guitar.
Just bass, drums, and keys. Not even a synthesizer
or an organ. Just a regular old piano. And they
were crushing it. It was amazing. I would go
to visits of that because, like, you know, I
was used to stuff like Funeral for a Friend with
that famous guitar rhythm lick in there. Yeah.
Wow. Interesting. Yeah. I think his very first
album. Empty Sky was pretty disappointing. I
would not recommend that to anybody. But then
after that there was, I can't even think of the
name, but the live album is called 11 -17 -70.
I would listen to that live album and get an
idea of the early album. Yeah, because Funeral
for a Friend was in the 80s because that was
a tribute to John Lennon. No, that was 73. Was
it a 73? Yeah, that came out the same year Billion
Dollar Babies did. Oh, I must have completely
got that wrong then. Yeah. I thought it was.
No, a funeral for a friend. Not somebody else.
Definitely wasn't Diana. No, he reworked Candle
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Gotta get the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah. Okay,
maybe it wasn't for somebody. I thought it was.
Anyhow. I don't know if it was. Anyhow, it doesn't
matter. I mean, that's what I thought, and I
probably... Oh, jeez. Holy crap, that was a piece
of paper hitting the microphone. That was John
Lennon saying, no, it wasn't about me. Yeah.
Should we edit that part out or just scare the
hell out of everybody? No, leave it. Scare the
hell out of everybody. Scare the shit out of
me. A little poo came out. Damn. That was rather
brutal. Yeah. All right. My next one is Flea
and Chad Smith. Oh, yeah. Nice. My favorite Flea
story is that when he's writing new material,
he doesn't pick up the bass and play. He sings
his bass part because he says, I can be way more
creative singing it than I can playing it. So
I record myself singing the potential bass part,
and then I go back and learn what I've sung.
And he said, I come up with stuff that I never
would have come up with if I just had a bass
in my hand. That is a great idea for songwriting,
actually, isn't it? Yeah. And imagine a guitar
player who's like, you know, thinking in his
head all these things. Because if you're holding
your guitar, you're thinking in terms of where
fingers go where on the keyboard. Yeah, and this
guy's like singing stuff. You can go anywhere
with your voice. Yeah. Make great use of semitones.
Oh, no, no thank you. Anyways. Yeah, I forgot
the guitarist. One of them was Dave Navarro,
but that, like, didn't end well. John Frusciante.
Yeah, yeah. He dropped out to embrace heroin
and then came back. He embraced it well and then
he came back. Yeah, the Dave Navarro years were
kind of a bust, really. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. He
was Jane's Addiction, was that it? Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. It's weird. Guitar players join Red Hot
Chili Peppers and then get clean. Yeah. Is that
funny? Because Dave Navarro had, like, the world's
scariest drug problem. Oh, God, yeah. But then
he got clean, and now he does, you know, tattoo
reality shows. Yeah, I know. So, I mean, that
dude should have been dead 20 years ago like
Nikki Sixx, you know? Yeah. Yeah, Nikki Sixx
actually did die. Yeah. So, I mean, but, yeah.
Luckily, that lady. Said no one dies in my fucking
ambulance. Yeah. You ain't breaking my record.
And that's why she hit him with adrenaline right
in the heart. Yeah. And that's where the song
Kickstart My Heart was written about. Makes sense.
Yep. All right, your turn. I'm kind of out. Okay,
I've got two more. Roger Taylor and John Deacon.
Queen. Yeah, of Queen. Yeah, sorry. Definitely.
Yeah. They were an interesting duo. Roger Taylor,
I would say, was probably the more talented.
Yeah. I like John Deacon. You know what? That's
not fair. John Deacon was very good, too. Yeah,
that's true. It's tough to choose between them.
John Deacon was not as committed. No, no. Roger
Taylor was all in his own. Yeah. Definitely more
prolific, better singer, of course. Yeah. I just
liked it. They did their own thing. I mean, it
didn't matter what type of song it was because
Brian May and Freddie Mercury came at it from
different angles all the time. They sure did.
Yeah, and, you know, Freddie Mercury's throwing
rock opera at him and Roger Taylor, or Brian
May is hitting, like, fucking... Tony Iommi shit.
Yeah. And the marriage of them two is what made
them so good. Yeah. Yeah, it's like in Styx.
Yeah, Styx actually. You had Dennis DeYoung who
wanted to go, you know, operatic and keyboards
and stuff. And then you had Tommy Shaw. Well,
there's a rocker. And James Young is like, no,
we want some power chords. Yeah. REO Speedwagon.
Kevin Cronin was always trying to work piano
in there, and Gary Richrath was cranking up his
guitar amp. He's like, nah, we need to rock this
sucker. And the thing is, they hated each other
for their music style. They hated. But they eventually
settled on something really unique, and that's
what made them so good. I mean, look what Queen
did. They had a little bit of everything. Make
it work. And then my last one is Nico McBrain
and Steve Harris. Oh, yeah. I love Nico. Oh,
Nico is incredible. I don't know whether it was
Nico or Nico. I've heard him called both. I just
prefer to call him Nico. Yeah. Because when I
went to Rock and Roll Ribs, he owns that in Florida,
they pronounced it Nico. Okay. Because when I
say N -I -C -K -O, I think Nico. I missed him
by one day. He retired. But Rock and Roll Ribs,
every Saturday, he came down there and played
whenever we went on tour in Iron Maiden cover
band. Nice. And he always said, I'm here until
the beer runs out. As soon as the beer ran out,
he was gone. But I missed him by one day. This
is for work, so I couldn't really change it.
The plane was already set for the next day. And
I couldn't do anything about it. I mean, you
know, I could have paid for my own one back and
just forgot that one. But it's like, no, I don't
want to see him in person that bad. And I'm pretty
sure that place probably filled up really big
time. I imagine. Ribs weren't that good. Food
wasn't that good. But it's who you were coming
to see. Well, and also the memorabilia on the
wall. Oh, yeah. It was amazing. Yeah. Like Paul
Rogers. signed guitar. It was his guitar. I forgot
that he played guitar until I read that. He played
guitar, too. There was a little restaurant on
Beale Street the one time I was there. Cindy
and I stopped in to eat, and there was a bass
guitar on the wall that belonged to John Entwistle.
Oh, wow. The Ox. The Ox. And there was a picture
next to it showing him playing that exact bass.
I think it was the Firebird bass. and playing
that on stage with The Who, and there it was
in this restaurant in Memphis on Beale Street.
That's cool. That's pretty amazing. I always
wondered, there was like a whole guitar and set
of strings that Jimmy Page used to record Whole
Lotta Love. Uh -huh. Where is that guitar? When
they changed the strings, did they save those
strings? I'd love to know where those actual
exact guitar strings were. I don't know, some
of that stuff wasn't even thought of. Make a
bracelet out of them or something. They had no
idea what they had on their hands. Like the drum
heads that were on the drums when they recorded
some iconic drum track, you know? They got rid
of those at some point and said, here, where
are the cymbals that they used? You don't throw
those away. I want to know where all this authentic...
equipment is that we use to record all the hits.
Some collectors got them probably. There's a
collector at Lake of the Ozarks. The resort at
Lake of the Ozarks is a resort, but you can go
to the place. The Encore is the name of the bar,
and it's a pool bar, and they play bands like
Molly Hatchet played there a couple years ago.
Oh, cool. Yeah, and you sit in a pool, and it's
a swim -up bar, and anyhow, inside there, the
guy has a Beatles signed trivia collection and
a bunch of other bands, classic rock bands. We
actually met the owner while we were there. And
we're watching the Chiefs game because we're
getting back to the Sunday night game. And this
is when we're gonna go watch Glenn Hughes and
Jefferson Starship play at the Sedalia grounds.
It was like, I forgot what they call it, like
Ozark Fest or something like that. And we're
going to go watch them, and it was canceled because
of rain the night before. It was too muddy. So
we ended up going, and we ran out of time coming
back to Sedalia. We went to Lake of Ozarks to
look for Val's old lake house when she was a
child. Oh, cool. Well, we found it because there's
a bunch of condos in front of it now, or behind
it. So we're coming back. It's starting to get
dark, and the Chiefs game was coming on. So we
got a place there. And we went into the encore,
and the owner, we're playing the Atlanta Falcons
at the Sunday night game, and the owner had a,
not a microphone, a shoot, shoot, shoot. Megaphone?
Megaphone. A really loud police -style megaphone.
Great. And there were some Atlanta fans in there,
and every time we scored, he would scream out.
And the Chiefs score. They ended up leaving,
and they were paying customers. He didn't care.
But that guy right there, if you go in the Encore,
you don't have to get a room there. You can go
into the Encore and get dinner or something.
It's a sports bar. When you go to the bathroom,
they have a ton of memorabilia signed up there.
Wow. Yeah, that guy, whatever his name is, has
a hell of a collection. And I talked to him.
I go, did you get all that? And he goes, yeah.
And he started naming off where he got this and
that and this. Must take a while. And then you've
got to verify it all. It's all verified. Yeah,
it's all scanned. Behind glass. Yeah. Yeah, it's
very cool. So, hey, Hal, you got something you
want to go into? I've got a couple of few things.
I've got an Alice Cooper, Elvis Presley story.
Okay. I've got the story about Ringo Starr and
the four -piece drum kit. Okay. And then I've
got some more information about the Who firing
their drummer for the second time. Okay. Okay.
Let me tell you the Alice and Elvis story. This
is one Alice told on a show the other day. I
saw a video of it. He claims this happened in
1970. Okay. that he was at a hotel and the band
had played. And in the same hotel, Elvis Presley
was staying. And he got an invitation to go up
to Elvis' suite and meet Elvis. And we got on
the elevator. Who was in the elevator with him
but legendary guitarist Chuck Berry. Famous at
the time actress Liza Minnelli. one of the very
first porn stars ever, Linda Lovelace of Deep
Throat. What an interesting elevator. Yeah. Now,
Deep Throat didn't come out until 72, so this
couldn't have been 1970. So it was probably 1974
when this actually happened, but Al's got the
dates wrong. So anyway, Alvis is riding up there
with this porn star and actress and a guitar
player. He's like, it's interesting, there's
four of us going up there to his suite. I think
only three of us are going to be riding this
elevator down tonight. I wonder which one of
us is going to be staying upstairs tonight. So
he got there, and they caught him in the elevator,
and they said everyone was frisked for weapons,
which was weird because there were loaded guns
lying around everywhere. So this was somebody's
suite, but they were invited to a party? It was
Elvis' suite. Okay. And Elvis wanted to meet
them. He said, come on up. to my suite let's
party okay and he came up to alice and he said
you're that you're that fellow with the snake
right he said yeah yeah i said man that's a great
gimmick i wish i'd thought of that that snake's
awesome elvis yeah okay he thought the snake
gimmick was really cool okay well he knew that
it was just a stage gimmick what they were telling
people at the time was it was alice's pet yeah
he didn't want to leave it at home when they
went on tour so yeah it was Anyway, so Elvis
said, hey, come here, let me show you something.
So he dragged Alice in the next room, and he
said, let me show you how to disarm an armed
man. So he hands Alice a .32 revolver. And Alice
is thinking, wow, if I shot Elvis, I'd be the
most famous person in the world, wouldn't I?
Maybe I could just wound him. Shoot him in the
leg or something. But he said the next thing
he remembers, he's on the floor, the gun's out
of his hand, and Elvis has got his foot on his
neck. He's like, see there, that's how you get
a gun away from a guy. And he's like, Frank Falmouth.
Elvis was bizarre. Elvis was weird. And he said
later that night, he was right. Only three of
them went down the elevator. And one of them
stayed upstairs. And he said he often wondered
what it was that Elvis and Chuck Berry did all
night. Typical Alice Cooper story. Yes, typical.
It's like a shaggy dog story. I miss his radio
show. Yeah. Oh, I wished he would do it again.
Well, I mean, it was canceled, but he had offers
to do it again, and he never did. I imagine it
was a big time commitment. Yeah, too much. Probably
too much to handle. Because he used to do remotes
touring. I'm sure that was a pain in the ass.
Yeah, he told so many stories on there. It was
just so good. And he played great music, too.
I imagine those shows are probably syndicated,
so they're still playing in reruns, and you can
be still getting paid for it. Well, you can go
to YouTube and get every show he's ever done.
That's awesome. I've got one here, if you've
got a minute. Sure. All right. This is, I watched
the Richie Blackmore documentary, and to my surprise,
It was an interview with Richie Blackmore with
excerpts of everything. It was a guy asking him
questions and him answering them honestly, it
looked like. That's nice that he's actually participating
instead of just having to do it around him. Well,
I got kind of a different view of him after that.
He doesn't suffer idiots. I imagine not. No.
People call him Moody. Don't be a dumbass around
him, and you won't be. Well, I mean, I'm sure
he was moody as a perfectionist. Most perfectionists
are very moody. You know, you come in and go,
what's going on? You're screwing it up. Yeah,
fuck it. So, anyhow, one of the things, one of
the key things on there when they started off
was England guitar stores in the 70s had noted...
had notes put up on their wall that said, please
do not play smoke on the water. If you do, you'll
be removed. Yeah. Richie was convinced he had
a haunted clock. When his music, if he liked
the music, he would make a different tone than
if he hated the music. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. Purple
was recorded in Worcester, Worcester, whatever,
medieval castle. He was a huge prankster. Richie,
I know, he did a lot of pranksters. He was going
to carry around a squirt gun and have it hid
in his pocket. Whenever someone would turn around,
he'd bap them real quick. And then they'd turn
around and he'd just be standing there. So Richie
and a couple of techs had a trap door on the
floor underneath Tony Ashton's bedroom. He was
a friend of one of the techs, Tony Ashton. They
put a Marshall amp in the space and closed the
door. The wiring, the Marshall amp in the space
in the closed door, the wiring was going through
the floor and the walls. And I guess Richie spent
hours wiring it up. That's how much of a prankster
he was. He did it himself. So later that night,
Richie started scratching in a vague eerie voice
and chanting, let me out. Let me out. Tony ran
out and never came back. Nobody seen him again.
He was gone. Tony Ashton disappeared. In Germany,
Purple was playing a show when Richie noticed
a small lady making her way to the crowd to hand
a note to a band member. She told him how she
loved the band. A bouncer smacked her in the
back with a club. Richie was infuriated and he
kicked the bouncer in the face, breaking his
jaw. The German police were coming to arrest
him, so the crew hid him inside one of the amp
cases. That's awesome. One of the rolling cases.
And they got him out of there. But then they
went to the hotel and arrested him when they're
getting ready to go to the airport to leave.
Richie had the U .S. consulate try to intervene
because they're talking about locking him up
for years. And the consulate wouldn't do anything.
He said they're pretty much worthless. They didn't
do anything. And I don't know why as a U .S.
consulate. Was he a citizen at that time maybe?
I don't know. Maybe there wasn't a British consulate,
so the U .S. consulate stood in? That could have
been. Okay. It didn't really explain that, so
anyhow. So the Germans stood firm on there. It's
going to keep them there for like ever. And they
made them lay on the ground for hours, and they
occasionally gave them a little smack here and
there. They treated them very bad. And after
a couple of weeks, they let them out, but they
loved scaring the hell out of them. Yeah. Yikes.
There was a lot more other incidents. I didn't
want to, like, just go into the whole thing.
Yeah. You were talking about the final fight
between him and Ian Gillen and what broke him
up for good and why he was out of the band for
good after that. Yeah. Evidently, Richie had
ordered pasta at a restaurant, and Ian Gillen
intercepted the pasta with a waiter and poured
ketchup all over it. And, of course, Richie Blackmore
went over there and gave him a good smack in
the face. And that started the final fight. And
then after that, there was no more of Mach 1,
2. No, Mach 2. Mach 1 was Dennis, Dave Evans,
or something like that. Something Evans. Mike
Evans or something like that, the original singer.
So there was no more Mach 2. That was it. Well,
you know, if you're going to be a prankster like
Richie, you've got to expect pranks to be played
on you. He didn't appreciate it. He guessed,
you know, maybe that was just the wrong day to
pull that particular prank on him. I don't know.
Well, okay, pranks are great and everything,
but, you know, sometimes when you come to someone
and they're hungry and their food's coming and
then someone ketchups it, that could piss you
off pretty bad. Like, you motherfucker, I was
starving, you know. Food's a pretty basic need.
Yeah, it is. I can see that being a trigger.
And that could really irritate somebody. So I
can see that being like, oh, no, that was it.
You know, I already didn't like it. We're already...
They're always bickering. Yeah. And by that time,
he was like, all right, fuck this. I don't care
what happens. I'm going to go try to beat the
guy up. So he didn't say who won. Yeah. Everybody
lost. Yeah. Yep. Well, I don't know. They really
liked Steve Morse a lot. So if you ask them,
they didn't lose. That's true. That's true. And
now I forgot who's in the band now. Steve Morse
had to take care of his mom or something? Because
he's quite a bit younger than the other bandmates.
God, I can't think of the guy's name. He's really
good, though. Eddie. We'll look it up. All right.
Nah, I don't even care that much. Okay. Go ahead.
Well, I had an example in the music industry
of the tail wagging the dog. Okay. When the Beatles
became enormous, Ringo Starr was playing a four
-piece Ludwig kit with the Oyster Pearl covering.
And suddenly just about everybody who thought
about playing drums wanted a kit just like that.
Four -piece Ludwig Oyster Pearl. So Ludwig was
selling a billion of them and really enjoying
their endorsement deal with Ringo. And after
a year or two, they decided, you know what? We'd
like to sell more five -piece drum kits with
an extra rack tom. So they had Ringo start playing
one live, even though he didn't use that extra
rack tom. Just really didn't care that it was
there. In fact, it moved his ride symbol too
far away. But Ludwig said, no, we want to sell
more five -piece kits, so you're going to start
playing one. Isn't that weird? That is weird.
Tail wagging the dog, for sure. I would think
at that point Ringo would say, you know what?
I think I'll go play Slingerland, or Rogers,
or maybe Yamaha. By that time, he had enough
clout. I would think. Maybe he was locked into
a contract and couldn't bail. That's probably
what it was. Yeah. It was probably in the writing
somewhere. He's like, okay, I'm stuck. So you
want to do the frontman? Yeah. The best frontman
of all time. And not singer. Because a lot of
these guys are not singers. But they're definitely
frontmen. I kind of went with singers. Okay.
I could try to throw in some non -singer frontmen.
I left one guy out that I should have put on
here. It was Ozzy. I've got Ozzy. Okay. Go ahead.
Okay, my first up is David Lee Roth. Yeah, that's
my first. But only in Van Halen. Yeah, not alone.
Not his solo stuff. Just perfect for the time,
the right amount of swagger. He had the looks.
He was tall. Slender, acrobatic. Yeah, there's
just, like, checked all the boxes. There was
nothing more you could ask of him except maybe
a little better vocal range. Yeah. He was a little
limited there. He was. Other than that, man,
he was just the perfect front man. Oh, I agree.
He's just amazing. He's also my number one also,
so we can cover this just like that. So, yeah,
I agree with that 100%. Yeah. He did the kicks,
the splits. All the little shrieky noises that
were so entertaining. Got the women crazy. Yeah.
Yeah, perfect lead singer at the perfect time.
Absolutely. All right, go ahead. Next up, I had
Ozzy. In Sabbath and solo. Yes. Either way, he's
an awesome frontman. Okay, I'm going to go Ozzy
number two also because I don't know why I forgot
to put him in, but he's number two definitely.
Next up I have Iggy Pop from the Stooges. Oh,
I forgot about him. Yeah. He was in the news
recently. I think he had kind of a medical issue
on a tour, but dude is super skinny. Uh -huh.
His skin kind of hangs off him in wrinkles. And
he will beat the crap out of himself on stage
for the entertainment. He'll dive into a pile
of broken glass. He'll beat himself with things.
If he doesn't get bloody during a performance,
it's been an off night. He'll hurl himself into
the crowd and they'll start throwing kicks and
punches. The guy is just... He's into physical
violence, mostly against himself. Yes. It's just
fascinating to watch this guy. He's so amazing.
I would agree 100%. Although I don't have him,
I forgot about him. I left him out, but I would
agree. Yeah, he was freaky. I mean, especially
in his prime. He was something to watch on stage.
Oh, he was insane. Yeah. My number three would
be a young Vince Neal. Yeah, absolutely. He was
fantastic. He was. He was another example of
perfect for the time. Yeah, he was perfect for
the time. He came, what, about two, three years
after David Lee Roth? After David Lee Roth. Yeah.
And he was widely known as the other David Lee
Roth. Yeah, because they were both blond. Yeah,
yeah. Both had awesome guitar players. Yeah,
yep. Yeah, people don't realize Van Halen's first
album came out, what, 78? They're a 70s band.
That's why him and Tony Iommi were best friends.
is because they supported Sabbath on their very
first tour. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Boy, would
that have been a nice concert to go to. Oh, my
God, that would have been something. Yeah, wow.
That would have been amazing. That would have
been like an epic. I'm getting dive -bombed by
birds lately. The other day I got on my back
porch, and I sat down, and I felt the wing of
a bird hit the top of my head. You must look
like someone that kills birds or something. I
guess. I used to hunt turkeys, but I never got
one. There you guys go. We never killed one.
There was a young and immature blue jay, and
Mom and Dad were protecting it. And so the young
blue jay was up sitting on the roof of my house,
and Mom and Dad were dive -bombing me to get
me to go back inside. And here at the market,
I've been buzzed by about three pigeons so far.
Whenever you see a cat running, usually it's
blue jays. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they'll
peck the shit out of them. Blue jays are crows.
They're very pretty crows, but they are crows.
Yeah, but they're crows. I agree. They're absolutely
crows. And noisy fucking crows. Yes. All right.
My next was Alice Cooper in this original band
and solo. I've got Alice Cooper also. He had
kind of, I don't know if he invented the genre,
but he certainly perfected it. And a lot of bands
either copied him or used him as an example of,
okay, he's got this, what could we do along the
same lines? It's different. Kiss was like that
way. They said, okay, Alice has got the eye makeup
and the violence on stage and stuff. Why don't
we do something along those same lines, but different?
So let's go full face makeup, lots of fireworks,
lots of explosions, lots of flame. So they were
inspired by Alice, but different. Then you have
Marilyn Manson, who basically just ripped off
Alice Cooper for his stage show. The first concert
I saw for Marilyn Manson on Portrait of an American
Family, he was opening for Nine Inch Nails. That
was an awesome show. That was a great show. But
his whole stage show and the way he acted, he
looked like an Alice Cooper from 1970, just like
it. You know, Alice Cooper could have said someone
ripped him off about a lot of people, but he
did say Marilyn Manson ripped him off. He was
very clear about that. And he said, I don't even
mind, I just want him to admit it. Yeah, but
he wouldn't admit it is what pissed him off.
Oh, well, water under the bridge. Yeah, now they
probably talk all the time. Who do you think?
Robert Plant. Yes. Did I get Robert Plant? Yes.
Only in Led Zeppelin. Yeah, yeah. His stuff with
the honey drippers. Yeah, and his solo stuff
was completely different. It's good. Allison
Krauss stuff. Yeah. But in Led Zeppelin, oh,
hell of a stuntman. That was him. Yeah. Because
I saw him solo. And he was more jovial. He wasn't
that guy that screamed on stage. I'm sure in
Zep, he had to have an image. It's what the audience
expected from the Led Zeppelin singer. And then
when you're not in that band, you can be who
you really want to be. Yeah, I saw the Now and
Zen tour, and that was an upbeat album. And he
was really accentuating that album. And so he
was doing stuff like Lighten Up and stuff like
that. He even did Big Log, which is a great song.
So he really wasn't that guy, like you said.
Only Led Zeppelin was he that guy. And the Honey
Drippers, I mean, yeah, they're a swing cover
band. I mean, fantastic. It's music that he likes
to listen to and wants to play and enjoys. He's
like, if it's commercially successful, great.
If it's not, I still enjoy doing it, so I'm going
to do it. They did that one song that was somewhat
of a radio hit. Do you remember when we met?
Sea of Love. Sea of Love, yeah. Which was a cover.
Yeah, it was a cover. I think every song the
Honey Drippers did was a cover. I think so, yeah.
I think they were basically a cover band. Rockin'
at Midnight, another one. Yeah. That was a cover.
Anyhow, all right, go ahead. My next one up is
David Bowie. Rock and Roll's Chameleon. He can
do any. Yeah, just any kind of bizarre look.
He was very unusual and different in his movements
on stage. Sometimes he looked like a mannequin.
Sometimes he looked robotic. Sometimes he looked
really fluid. Sometimes he was so ambiguous.
He was like, we're not sure what he's playing
tonight. We're not sure. Exactly. I would agree.
He went through that whole thin white duke phase.
But it's just because the drugs he was on was
making him super skinny. So he just kind of worked
that into his persona. He's like, all right.
All right, I'll do that. Man, that guy did so
many drugs. He had an album called Station to
Station. And it's debatable whether he means
like... traveling on a train going from station
to station or tuning your radio dial from station
to station looking for a song you want. If you
go either way. But the majority of that album,
he said, he was staying in a hotel room with
Iggy Pop and his girlfriend. Again, mooching
off of somebody like David Bowie does. Yeah,
we were talking about that earlier. They were
doing massive amounts of drugs over the course
of the long weekend. And at one point, he thought
the television was eating Iggy Pop's girlfriend.
So he wrote the song TVC15. That's on the album
Station to Station. But the rest of that album
was just completely drug -fueled. Every bit of
it. I love it. Some of the best music was drug
-fueled. Fleetwood Mac, Rumors. That exists because
cocaine is a thing. And that's where boofing
was originated. Yes. Yes. A little brass funnel.
Yeah, a little brass funnel. Stick up the butthole.
I do a boofing parody on the douchebags. And
I want people to look up boofing. Yes. Because
they'll be like... I boof ibuprofen because I'm
old. Now, there was an early version of boofing
that I remember being covered on a news program.
And it was... People were going to, like, a gas
station where they have the big, you know, the
air hose that actually had a massive compressor
on it. Yeah. Because they'd use it to run the
lifts, et cetera. But they'd stick that up their
butthole and give themselves a blast of air.
And that was supposed to be fun. Except if you
were hooked up to one that was hooked up to the
hydraulic or the pneumatic lift and you gave
yourself a blast and you blew out your own colon.
Damn. You just basically drop right there. But
that was one of the early forms of boofing that
I remember hearing PSA about. It's like, don't
do this. And, of course, they tell you exactly
how to do it, and then say don't do it. Yeah,
yeah, which means people are going to do it.
Probably half the people in my neighborhood,
hey, let's blow some air up my ass, see what
it feels like. Jeez. Yeah. It's like that night
you hear bicycle pumps all over the neighborhood.
Ow! Someone's boofing again. The things people
will do to get off. That's amazing. My next one
is Steven Tyler. Yes, I've got him too. I mean,
what? Very charismatic. You can look like that
and still get hundreds of thousands of women
to want you. You're doing something right. You're
doing something right. And he's doing all that
on swagger. He ain't doing it on looks. No, he's
a little short guy and his face is too small.
Yeah. I mean, well, his features are too small
for his face. He's got a normal -sized face and
a normal -sized mouth, but his eyes and nose
are like half the size they're supposed to be.
That's why he looks so weird. Oh, yeah. And he's
got a weird jawline. It just doesn't make sense.
If you look at it and start going, what is going
on there? Yeah. Yeah, not a very attractive person,
but, man, he reeled in the tail because he was
so charismatic. It's said that his jawline is
the way it is because his jaw muscles are so
developed because he just never shuts up. I believe
that. If he's awake, he's talking. So his jaw
muscles are like three times the strength of
an arm wrestler's arm. Oh, wow. He can fight
through rebar. Supposedly, he can tour again.
Yeah. Somebody got his problem fixed. You know,
I think maybe a residency or something like that
where they play every fortnight or something.
I don't know about, like, Kansas City and then
two days later St. Louis and then two days later
Chicago. I don't know about that. But he can
perform again, and it may not just be one -offs.
It might be limited tours or runs. Yeah. Well,
I remember when it first became a problem with
his voice, and one of the band members was saying,
You know, he will eventually get to the point
where he can, like, maybe sing again, but he'll
never be able to work as a singer, you know,
touring. Yeah, I remember that. Never. It's never
going to happen. Never, never, never, never.
Now all of a sudden, yeah, I guess it is happening.
So never say never, I guess. Yeah, you know,
there's so many new things going on, too. I mean,
you know, it's just kind of like Tony Iommi was
supposed to never be able to play again, and
same way with Eddie Van Halen. But they got some
stem cell deal in Germany, and they were fine
after that. I mean, Eddie Van Halen, he's gone
now, but, you know, he could play for years after
he was supposed to be done playing. Yeah, it's
surprising. I mean, they write it off as like,
ain't going to happen, ain't going to happen.
And then all of a sudden, oh, look, a miracle.
And I start wondering. Are these medical treatments
available to the rest of us, or is this just
something that special people get? On Eddie Van
Halen and Tony Iommi's thing, you still can't
get that stuff in America. No. I was just looking
up here. Rob Stewart just canceled his Vegas
residency hours before his first performance,
saying, I'm just not well, I can't do it, I'm
just too ill. What is he, 80? At least. At least.
Yeah. He was... Probably born around 46, 47,
just right after the war. Wow. He'd be a contemporary
of Elton John, so he's that age. Probably 78,
80. Yeah, right around 80. Okay. Wow. Okay. Hope
I'm kicking when I'm 80. Yeah, me too. No, that's
too bad because it probably means that his health
is so bad that he's not going to tour. I mean,
Richie Blackmore, he's like that now. Ozzie's
definitely like that. I mean, it's just... It's
tough. Yeah, it is. I mean, they're all disappearing
one way or another. Next one I have, Jim Morrison,
The Doors. Yes. Which is ironic because they
really didn't do a lot of live shows because
Jim Morrison kept screwing them up. Yeah. But
that was part of the reason they made him a...
But every time he screwed them up, he got more
fame. Yeah, there was, let's see, there was the
concert where he came on stage holding a lamb.
Uh -huh. There was a concert where he got down
on his knees and supposedly imitated giving his
guitar player a blowjob. He claims he was just
admiring his finger work. There was the concert
where he taunted the cops relentlessly until
they shut the show down and arrested him. There
was the concert where he was told he couldn't
say the words to the end. There's a section in
the end where he says, Father, yes son, I want
to kill you. Mother, yes son, I want to fuck
you. They wouldn't let him record that line on
the album. They just had him screaming incomprehensibly.
But he would say that live. And the venue said,
uh -uh. You're not going to say that word. You're
not, you're not, you're not. And then he finally
said, okay, I won't. And then he did. And they
just shut it right off. Boom. Power off. You're
out. Bye. He was pretty much a dickhead. He was.
So I'm going to do it my way. I'm going to lie
to you, but I'm going to do it my way. And when
he died. His music career was over anyhow. People
are like, well, what could it have been? No.
There wouldn't have been. No, he was done. Might
have written some poetry books or something.
Yeah, something, yeah. He never really wanted
to be a rock star. He just wanted to be able
to get on stage and sing his poems to somebody's
music. He was a perfect example of probably the
reason the term tortured poet is now a term.
So, prime example. There was a stone bust of
him that was on his grave that got stolen like
37 years ago. It was recently found in like a
rummage sale. It was like, wait, that's the actual
one. So they got it put back on his grave. 37
years somebody's had the stone head of Jim Morrison
in their house. And was he, he was buried in
Paris, right? Yeah, that's where he died. That's
what I thought, okay. And yeah, they kept him
over there. They never brought him back to America,
did they? No. His girlfriend at the time, Pamela,
I think it was Pamela, she said he loved Paris.
He wasn't really all that keen on America anymore.
This was still, you know, Vietnam era. Oh, yeah.
And in Paris, there were a lot fewer questions
asked. Got it. Because they wanted to hide the
fact that he OD'd and died in the pub down the
hall, not down the road. Yeah, they moved him.
So they dragged him home, undressed him, ran
a tub of water, put him in there and called the
French doctor and said, he died of a heart attack
in the tub. And the guy said, no problem, I'll
sign the death certificate. Which, you know,
everyone said, ooh, shady, they were hiding something.
It's like, that was kind of what they did at
the time. Nobody really cared that much. Yeah,
it was like an image thing, and that's the only
reason they did that is because of image. Yeah,
yeah. And the people who helped do that, when
these started nearing the end of their life,
they're like, I want to come clean on this. He
didn't die gently of a heart attack in his bathtub.
My next one would be Mick Jagger. Yes. Not a
real fan of the Stones, but you've got to admit,
he's got... Mountains of talent. Yeah, he does.
I've never gotten the stones like a lot of people
have. I've never thought they were that good.
But a lot of people do. But Mick Jagger, the
charisma, again, like Steven Tyler. Ugly as sin
in a church on Sunday. But reels the tail in
like nobody. I don't know what else to say about
him. Well, you know, you can't really blame the
guy for finding the most attractive woman, but
I look sideways at the woman who decides that
this old, rather ugly guy with his millions of
dollars is the best thing for me right now. Like
Belichick and his girlfriend. Yeah, Jordan, what's
her name? Oh, I love his mind. Bullshit. It's
a thing called a checkbook. Mark Davis, the owner
of the... raiders oh he's an ugly yeah dude dude
is homely really homely and his his statuesque
model quality 23 year old girlfriend says i just
have a smile and a sense of humor while he's
writing you checks but hey it's his choice he
went into his eyes what else is he gonna do really
Yeah, apparently it was a mutual thing, so who
are we to complain? Yeah, I don't care, whatever.
My last front man is Freddie Mercury. Oh, cool.
Because I remember when Queen started becoming
a big thing, and I kept seeing these pictures
of Freddie Mercury on stage and all the poses
he'd do and stuff, and I remember... As the 14,
15 -year -old kid thinking, wow, if he's not
careful, people are going to think he's gay.
From the way he dresses, poses. Because I was
used to, at that time, every rock and roller
was a he -man. And that's just the way they portrayed
it. No, no, me too. Because I remember watching
Don Kirshner's rock concert. And Queen was on
there. And I was like, wait a minute. there is
something really different about this guy here.
He's definitely trying to get the girl. Yeah,
yeah. Because, you know, there's swaggers that
lead singers do and certain things they do. Maybe
like doing a kick in the back, kick in the air.
Yeah. And doing a little fluffy stuff with his
hands. It was like, wait a minute, there's something
different here. You look in the audience. No,
girls. If I was the rest of the queen, I'd be
mad. Son of a bitch, can you be a little bit
more masculine so we can get some chicks in this
fucking thing? Brian may comment about that once.
Remember when Freddie Mercury got his clone look?
The short hair, the big thick black mustache.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And a lot of gay men were having
that exact look. It was called the clone look.
And Brian said, I remember one time looking at
the concert and it was like... All I could see
was like 30 or 40 rows of Freddie Mercury's.
It was like a whole room of Freddie Mercury's.
It was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. That
would suck being the rest of the band. On the
other hand, the very few girls who did show up
were bound to be very frustrated. It's like,
nobody has hit on me all night, man. I need some.
The rest were easy pickings. It was like, well,
you can count out Freddie. Okay, I have Axl Rose.
Oh, another very good one. Already covered Alice
Cooper. Paul Stanley. Yes, definitely. A lot
of charisma. Actually a really good guitarist,
too. And you've got to also take into account
there was a lot of stuff happening on stage around
Paul, and he still got your attention. He still
got your attention, yeah. That says a lot. He
had to really work hard to do that. And his singing.
Always good. Loved his voice. He had an excellent
rock and roll voice. And he could hit the high
notes very well. Did you know he only has one
ear? Yeah, well now he has two. He got his right
one fixed? Yes. So he was born deaf in his right
ear, and there's only about a half to a third
of it actually formed, which he was relentlessly
teased about. But yeah, he grew his hair long
to cover what he felt was a deformity. He said
the reason, he found out when Gene Simmons was
a true friend, he went to go get his ear fixed.
Gene Simmons, I guess, is deathly afraid of airplanes.
And it was like somewhere, I don't know, way
off. Gene Simmons showed up there, unannounced,
and he got there by airplane. His only way to
get there. And he's like, you know. I've doubted
him for some, you know, here and there and doubted
his heart and everything. He said, no, he's a
true friend. He showed up for me when I was having
it done. And I learned that when they formed
Wicked Lester and they had a record deal and
they made the album and Gene and Paul said, you
know what, this really isn't us. This isn't what
we wanted Wicked Lester to be. We don't want
to get pigeonholed into this and have this be
our career. This isn't what we want to do. So
they effectively quit the band after the album
had already been made. Said, no, we're starting
over. You can get the demos, too. They're all
going everywhere. I mean, it's not bad music,
but it definitely isn't Kiss. Yeah. That's before
Ace, you know, Peter. And Ace was so much of
that sound. Yeah, they did replace their drummer
and lead guitar player. And I think they got
a really, really good choice for both of them.
Sebastian Bach and Bruce Dickinson. Bruce Dickinson
because of his ability to... Hey, you greasy
wankers. It's time for the Midwest Concert Calendar.
Want a tool to Wichita? Static X with gore and
dope at the Cotillion on May 26th. Marshall Tucker
brand at the Temple Live Wichita, May 29th. Alice
Cooper and Judas Priest in Trust Arena, October
8th. Diggly Rock, just up the road in Kansas
City at Grindr's, August 13th. Jerry Cantrell
supports a solo album, I Want Blood. He will
be live at Dub Camp Theater in Kansas City, September
14th. Black Oak Amphitheater, Landon, Missouri,
May 31st. Up Cherry and Hinder. How about Tulsa?
Go see the Toadies at Kane's Ballroom, August
27th. Or how about the Melvins? Thursday, October
14th, Kane's Ballroom also. Keep listening for
more updates coming soon. Act on stage and act
out different periods in time, which Iron Maid
likes to sing about. And Sebastian Bach is just
powerful and commands presence. That's it. That's
all I got. I've got some more updates about Zach
Starkey being fired from the Who. Oh, okay. Was
it like five or six times now? Yeah, we love
this one. Okay, the story starts with the first
story they gave us when he was fired the first
time. And it was, okay, they were confirming
that the drummer, 59, who's been with the rock
band since 29 years, was leaving the band. And
his statement was, very proud of my near 30 years
with the Who. Filling the shoes of my godfather,
Uncle Keith, has been my biggest honor. He said,
in January, I suffered a serious medical emergency
with blood clots in my right calf, now completely
healed. It doesn't affect me. After playing those
songs with the band for so many decades, I'm
surprised and saddened. Anyone would have an
issue with my performance that night, but what
can you do? This is in reference to Roger Daltor
saying, I can't sing because I can't hear what
key I'm in because all I hear is the drums going
boom, boom, boom. Which is bullshit because they're
electronic drums, so they make no sound on their
own. They only make sound when they're put through
an amplifier. Yeah. Which you can turn up and
down in your ears anyway. He's going deaf anyhow.
Yeah. Then he said, I plan to take some much
-needed time off with my family and focus on
the release of my Domino Bones by Mantra of the
Cosmos with Noel Gallagher in May and finishing
my autobiography written solely by me. A rep
for the rock band told The Independent the drummer's
departure was a collective decision. made following
their headline shows at the Royal Albert Hall.
The band made a collective decision to part ways
with Zach after this round of shows. They have
nothing but admiration for him and wish him the
very best in his future. Okay, then a few days
later, he was rehired. And they said, oh, it
was all just a mistake. Their timbres were flared.
We've all worked it out. We just had some adult
conversations and everything's fine now. And
then they fired him again. I wasn't aware of
that. Yeah. A legendary rock band have parted
ways with their drummer for the second time in
a month. Both parties announced. Pete Townsend,
the band's main guitarist and songwriter, implied
in his statement that the split was mutual. Starkey
claimed, I've been fired. And they asked me to
make a statement saying I had quit to pursue
other interests. So no, I was fired, but they
wanted me to lie to them. He said, there have
been weeks of mayhem of me going in and out and
in and out and in and out like a bleeding squeeze
box. So they've been pushing him out, asking
him back, pushing him out. It's been just a roller
coaster for him. A revolving door. Just days
later, however, Townsend and Starkey announced
he would be rejoining the band after some communication
issues, personal and private on all sides, have
been aired happily. Townsend said, well, maybe
we didn't give enough time to sound checks that
were giving us problems on stage. So they're
still going with that lie about some onstage
sound problem, which has nothing to do with the
drummer and everything to do with the sound operator,
the sound engineer. So they're sticking with
that lie. The sound in the center stage is always
the most difficult to work with. Roger did nothing
wrong but fiddle with his in -ear monitors. Zach
made a few mistakes and he's apologized, albeit
with a rubber duck drummer. He sent Pete Townsend
a rubber duck drummer with a note saying, sorry.
Then the decision was reversed and he's out again.
Townsend said on the Sunday, recent Sunday, wow,
the time has come for a change. Adding, Zach
has lots of new projects in hand and I wish him
the best. This is where they're saying he wants
to retire from the band and focus on solo objects.
And then Starkey immediately said, I have other
projects, but I always have. I've had them for
years and years, and it's never been a problem.
The Who have been sporadic or minimalist in touring
most years apart from the two extensive tours
in 2000 and 2006 and 2007. None of this other
work has ever interfered with The Who. It has
never been a problem for them. He always says,
The Who comes first. I'll put the other stuff
on hold. And he says, I'm quite chilled about
the whole affair and now focused more on a more
contemporary project, referencing his supergroup
Mantra of the Cosmos. Now Starkey's departure
comes just three months before the Who are due
to embark on their farewell tour of North America.
Scott DeVores will take over. He's somebody who
was filled in for Zack Starkey when Zack needed
some time off. Okay. Let's see. Yeah, Devorahs
has played with Daughtry in his solo gigs and
filled in for Starkey as a true drummer in the
past. And then another wrinkle to this was in
the intervening time, since Zach is out, and
he says, you know, they fired me. They're pretending
I retired, but they fired me. And now Pete Townsend...
has gone on record saying that he's not all that
excited about the upcoming farewell tour in North
America, and maybe they can take it a little
easy, or maybe they can change some things around
so it's not such a grind, and maybe they want
to rethink some things. Roger Daltrey jumped
right on that and said, well, hey, if he's not
all excited about it and wants to do it, then
I've got other things I could do. I don't need
to bother. If he's not all 100 % in on it, then
why bother? I'm not doing anything. So now the
whole tour is in jeopardy because Townsend said
he's not all that thrilled or excited about the
idea of doing it. And Daltrey is like, yeah,
any excuse to quit. Wow. Yeah. So it's like the
whole band is falling apart. And Zach Starkey
didn't really cause it, but he was just the first
evidence that basically the band is crumbling.
After all these years and all these tribulations
of band members dying. Yeah. Well, it's down
to Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend. And then
it sounds like they don't like each other at
all. Pete Townsend has always had solo projects.
Daltrey, I don't know if he's done solo things.
He's done solo tours. That's true. I don't think
he's done solo work. I don't think he has, no.
But I've seen him solo a few times. Never with
a who. Yeah. But it sounds like Zach Starkey
is now, you know, he's ready to tell everybody
the truth. It's like, I didn't make, you know,
I didn't blow that show. And it wasn't me too
loud in his ear monitor. And I didn't retire.
And it's not a mutual decision. They showed me
the door. Yeah. And then they called me back,
and then they showed me the door again. So I'm
done with him. I'm just so tired of the lies
and the bullshit, jerking him around. Wow. He's
got so many other things he could do with his
life and his talent than to be tied to these
two guys. Well, he's got all these other projects
going on. He can just transfer into them real
easily. Yeah. Okay, wow. I'm seriously beginning
to doubt we're ever going to see any incarnation
of The Who playing live ever again. I don't think
so. Pete Townshend also wants to do another studio
album, another The Who studio album, but not
tour it. And Daltrey said, no, I'm not interested
in that. Just flat out said, uh -uh, I ain't
doing it. Wow. What is going on with this band?
Well, Roger Daltrey is losing his sight and hearing.
Yeah. So he probably has given up, I guess. Yeah.
Doesn't it sound like that? He's kind of like,
fuck it, why do I even want to do anything? He's
probably doing what a lot of people are doing
is now he's thinking about his legacy. And anything
I do from this point on is going to be the last
thing people remember from me. And I don't want
to go out and cock it up. That's it. Go out and
I can't hit the notes, can't play all night,
I lose my breath. I don't want to go out there
and look like an out of shape old man. Yeah.
you know, go out on top kind of thing. Well Townsend,
he's still in reasonably good shape. It is definitely
physically demanding to stand there and play
guitar all night, but you can recover way faster
than a vocalist can. Yeah. Because, I mean, when
you're playing guitar, you can breathe all you
want. When you're singing, you've got to regulate
your breathing. You can only breathe at certain
times. I can understand. It sounds to me like
adultery is very conflicted and probably portrayed
that and nobody liked it. They're like, well,
you know, you've got to do this or that. And
he's kind of like, yeah, no. And then I think
it's day to day on him. He'd feel good one day
and go, yeah, we can do this. And another day
he's like, nah, I don't think so. Yeah. Wow.
It's interesting. Still interesting what's going
on there. No, it is. It is. I think The Who has
pretty much run its course. Yep. You got anything
else? That pretty much taps me out. Yeah, I want
to do the Zach Wild thing next time. Well, I
do have iconic guitar riffs. Oh, go ahead. If
you want to do that. And I'll do mine next week.
Okay. So, I went more for the classic rock version
because it's more than I'm familiar with. First
one I got is Life in the Fast Lane by the Eagles.
And that lick that starts the song was actually
a finger exercise the guitar player was doing.
Which player was that? Was it Fry? I think it
was Glenn Fry. I think it was Glenn Fry. And
his wife kept saying, that's cool, I like that,
you should do something with that. So he eventually
did, worked out to be a monster hit. That was
on the Hotel California album, I think. Yeah,
which was a monster album. There was another
one that started out, Dust in the Wind, started
out as the finger exercise that Cary Lipgrid
was doing. And his wife said, that's beautiful.
It's got to be a song. You've got to make that
a song because it's so beautiful. You just have
to do it. And he said he couldn't really figure
out what to do with it, but then one night he's
like, oh, I could go here. Oh, and then I could
go here. It's like just all fell in place. Well,
now he just figured it out. He's just like doodling
probably. Okay. So I'm trying to come up with
some finger exercises. It's like maybe I can
come up with a hit just noodling around. Don't
hold your breath. So many hits were done like
that. Someone goes, hey. I like that little part.
Yeah, and they're like, what, you do? Yeah. All
right, my next iconic riff. Born to be wild,
Steppenwolf. That got everyone charged up in
the late 60s. That was just like everywhere.
And that made it into a lot of movies, too. Yeah,
it did. It was an iconic riff. Another good one
is Mississippi Queen by Mountain. Oh, yeah. Oh,
gosh, yeah. I think that was an SG through a
fuzz box. Was it? Yeah, it was Leslie West on
guitar. Leslie West was a mountain. Yeah, he
was a mountain, yeah. But he could make that
guitar do all sorts of stuff. What a sound he
came up with. Oh, yeah. Next up, You Really Got
Me. Both the Kinks and Van Halen. Because when
the Kinks came out in 64, I think it was, 65,
somewhere around there, that was kind of punk.
At the time, no one had a name for it, but it
was kind of punk. It would take another 10 years
before people really started playing punk music.
Yeah, but no, that was actually early punk. Yeah,
because they made the guitar sound really scratchy
and distorted, and they were intentionally trying
to get it to sound bad. But, of course, nowadays
it just sounds like, you know, low gain overdrive.
Yeah, that's it, yeah. It's like, oh, you haven't
heard anything yet. Yeah. Next up, Barracuda,
My Heart. Yes. That crunchy guitar through a
flanger. Yes. That sounds awesome. And then she
hits all the harmonics. The harmonics. All up
and down the neck. Very famous. Again, an SG
with a whammy bar, which you don't see on a lot
of SGs. No, you don't. That's how she played
it. It's got to be put on there. Yep. This one's
pretty easy. Walk This Way, Aerosmith. That guitar
riff to start the song and all through the song
is just, without it, it wouldn't be the song.
It's just got to have that ka -chunk -a -chunk
-a. Don't you love my professional terms? Yes,
I do. It is Chunky Chunky. I had to go to school
for that. All right. Satisfaction by the Stones.
Yeah, of course. Not a real fan of the song,
but it's super iconic. Yeah. I really like Devo's
version. I do, too. It's so quirky and weird.
I probably like it better, honestly. I think
I kind of do, too. I saw Devo do that on Saturday
Night Live back when nobody had heard of Devo
before. My jaw was just on the floor. It was
like, who the hell are these guys, and how did
they manage to get on stage with this? And then
it was like, I kind of like it. And then it was
like, oh, my God, that's satisfaction by the
stones. It didn't sound like it at first, so
I did it. He did such a good version, though.
I just loved it. Next up, Sweet Home Alabama
by Lynyrd Skynyrd. And that's got the bonus of
at the very beginning when... Yeah, he goes,
let it go. Was it Ronnie Van Zandt? Ronnie Van
Zandt. Yeah, when he says, turn it up. Turn it
up, that was it. He was telling the sound engineer
to turn up the volume of the headphones. But
it just fits so perfectly. It's like, hey, we're
going to leave that sucker in. It sounds perfect.
The timing was just perfect. I love it. It's
kind of like Pickin' 2, but it's actually an
iconic riff. Yeah. Very good. Layla, Derek and
the Dominoes. Yeah, definitely. I wish it actually
was Eric Clapton and the Dominoes. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Why did he call himself Derek? I think
he was trying to hide. Yeah, probably. Tax evasion,
probably. Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix. Yeah. And
that was an accent. I guess he was on acid. Oh,
most of the time. Yeah. And he didn't remember
it. And every time he was on acid, he would do
that. And then he'd go, hey. And people would
go, hey, play that what you did last night. What
did I play last night? Yeah. So they're like,
all right, let's start recording him. Every time
he does acid, just turn the tape or the machine
on. Yeah. And then when he did that again, they
go, that's what we're talking about. And he's
like, oh, yeah, I kind of like that. Yeah. Started
playing it. Became Purple Haze. There was a recording
session when the Cooper Group was recording Billion
Dollar Babies. And they had this basic party
night in the studio. And all sorts of people
showed up, other musicians. Donovan showed up,
the guy who sang Mellow Yellow. And they just
started doing crazy stuff and recorded it all.
And one of the things they did was the song Billion
Dollar Babies, where Alice and Donovan trade
vocals. on each verse, and then they both sing
the chorus together. Well, one sings and one
talks, and then the second chorus, the other
sings and the other talks. And they had started
something like that on that party night and managed
to record it, and the next day they're like,
hey, we could do something with this. And they
got Donovan to come back and do an actual good
version of it, and it became the title track
for the album. But it just spawned out of just
a rager in the studio. Wow. It was one of my
favorite drum intros. It's Billion Dollar Babies.
Love it. Next up, I have Lagrange, ZZ Top. Oh,
yeah. Sounds deceptively simple. It's not quite
that easy to play. Make it sound good. At least
not for me. Iron Man, Black Sabbath. Yes. Yeah,
that intro. The instant you hear it, you know
what it is and who it is. And that right there
was something Tony Iommi was just doing. And
I think it was Gieser said, that sounds good.
I like that. And he's like, what? I'm just kind
of doing it. Just jacking with bending the string.
Yeah. He goes, nah. He goes, I think we could
put that in something and it became Iron Man.
Yeah. Oh, and actually, Tony Almey goes, I remember
reading this, how about this riff? That's it.
That's it. Back in Black, ACDC. Oh, yeah. I've
learned to do that, but I'm still not very smooth
or fluid in it. I can't do it quite at the speed
yet. I can do it more slowly. And if I'm having
a good day, I can do it kind of decent. There
again, that's another thing that, for me, it's
a really good finger exercise because it makes
me reach and think and use alternate, you know,
this finger and that finger, that finger on this
string. He'll never get the credit he deserves
because he's such an acrobat. Yeah. He did all
the weird shit on stage in a little schoolboy
outfit and all that. The guy's got as much energy
as three people. I mean, this guy's like a fireball.
Yeah. I mean, ACDC went on tour with Ted Nugent,
and Nugent was not a druggie. You know, he was
always clean and sober. And he said, I live a
pretty healthy lifestyle, but watching that guy
on stage every night, I don't know where he gets
his energy from. He just never stops. And it
wasn't cocaine either. No, no. Angus Young is
a pretty clean guy too. Yeah, he drank, but...
As much as his brother did. Yeah, his brother
got dementia from drinking. Poor Malcolm, yeah.
Alcohol -related dementia is pretty sad. Real
sad. It's a very bad death. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Crazy
Train by Ozzy. Oh, yeah. And Randy Rhodes, thank
you very much. I mean, it starts out with the
voice. That's another finger exercise. The guitar
coming in. Stretch your finger out, too. Yeah,
yeah. Like playing the intro to Round and Round
by Rapp. And then you reverse it, and it's the
intro to Unchained by Van Halen. Yes. Exactly.
Note for note, chord for chord, it's the exact
same. They claim they didn't mean to do it. Uh
-huh. Of course, that was Robin Crosby. He's
dead. Yeah. So, you know, who knows? Yep. Robin
Crosby was so good in that band that people never
realized because Warren Demartini was the virtuoso.
Yeah. But Robin Crosby wrote the crunchy stuff
that were hits. He always did. You know who else
they had as a guitar player for a while? Jakey
Lee. Yeah. And? Mark Torian. Mark Torian, that's
right. Of Bullet Boys. Yeah. Except in Bullet
Boys, he was just a singer. And a hell of a singer.
Yeah. Amazing range. He never played guitar in
Bullet Boys, though. No. It was one guitar, one
bass, one drum, one singer. I always wanted Van
Halen to hire him after they were to rock. I
was like, that's a perfect fit. They never did.
Yeah. I think he would have fit in really well.
I think so, too. I think he would have had a
hell of a time. I think so, too. He was a lot
of fun to watch. Yeah. He had the long blonde
hair, and he was in shape, and he could jump
around. He did all that cool stuff. But he was
a good singer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He could shriek
and scream. exactly on pitch. Yes. Which is quite,
Robert Plant would shriek and scream always off
key. Off key. Always that way out. It didn't
matter though. Yeah, nobody cared. But Mark Torian,
he was like right on that note. He sounded like
he was chaotic and out of control and screaming,
but he was exactly on that note. Oh, I know.
Beautiful to listen to. I just love listening
to that. I never really heard his guitars, but
if he was in Ratty, he had to have been pretty
good. Yeah, I just think they didn't like him
too much anymore. Oh. He just couldn't get along.
Oh, okay. That's probably. He was a born -again
Christian, but he was still a real hard partier.
He was the kind of guy that would go ahead and
do it and then ask God for forgiveness later.
I didn't mean all that last night. I'm sorry.
I'm a different person as of this morning. Songs
like Kissing Kitty and Do Me Raw. Smooth Up In
Ya. What a verse. See, there's one song, I forget
what it's called, where he's talking to this
girl on the phone and she's already been with
someone. He's like, well, hell, I just love a
buttered bun. Bring it on over here tonight.
He's like, dude, if you're into that, okay, but
don't tell me about it. That band should have
been much bigger. I think, yeah, they really
should. One of their big problems was they could
never write a full album. No. Let's see, their
first album was just called Bullet Boys, and
that was decent. Production quality was a little
low. Yeah, they had two really good songs, and
the rest were very forgetful. Yeah, and then
the second one was Zaza. Zaza, yeah, and that
one was a real letdown. No, the second one was
Freak Show. Freak Show, yeah. Freak Show had
some good tunes on it, THC Groove, Talk to Your
Daughter. There's a couple more, but then it
kind of filled it. TSC Prove kind of put them
in a different kind of psychedelic category,
and I think that hurt them because they were
glam rock. They were, yeah. It was a good song,
but it wasn't very well perceived by the glam
community. And then Zaza was the third one, and
that was short. It was like they didn't even
have enough songs to fill it out. It was less
than 40 minutes long. Yeah, I think their songwriters
were not that good. Yeah. When Pigs Fly was a
good song. That was a good song. And then Laughing
With The Dead was a good song. Although another
slow one like THC Groove and Hang On St. Christopher.
And it really didn't do because Smooth Up In
You was such a smash hit. Yeah, it was. And he
had so much charisma and the high kicking and
the screaming. But then they go to something
like Zaza and it's like, wait a minute, what
happened? Yeah. And then like the remake of For
The Love Of Money. Didn't really fit him either.
No, it was a great song and I really enjoyed
it. I mean, the bass is awesome in that. But,
yeah, it's like, what do you guys really do?
There are two cover songs on that album, For
the Love of Money and Talk to Your Daughter.
Yeah. And it was kind of like they're a conflicted
band. Yeah. They should have been much bigger,
but anyhow. What could have been. Yeah. So I'm
kind of all tapped out for that. All right. Well,
I guess we could probably end this because the
exact thing I forgot. I got some stuff I want
to add to it. Okay. Coming up on two hours for
this. All right, that's good. That's a pretty
good, solid one. All right. All right, everybody,
thank you for listening. Go fuck yourself.