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Hey, it's actually working now. Okay. All right.

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We are the music. Creeps. We are the music. That's

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going to hurt their ears. Creeps. Okay. Beating

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up my microphone. Hell yeah, because that's what

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we do. All for the greater good. Yes. You got

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something you want to get into? What was I thinking?

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Oh, yes. I didn't get around. The list that I

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mentioned last week, I didn't get around because

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I got back late Sunday. Yeah, it's been hectic.

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Yeah, I had to go to work in between. And that

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was the groups that have their worst song that

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they recorded is their biggest hit. Yeah. Pointing

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song was this right here. Sweet Child, Oh Mine

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by Guns N' Roses. That is clearly their worst

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song. Yeah, they've got so many better songs

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than that. Well, besides that one on Use Your

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Illusion, the Double Chalk and Jive motherfucker

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or whatever. And then the other one of Get in

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the Ring. Yeah. Okay, you know, maybe it wasn't

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their worst song, but it was on a plane with

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them. I'm talking serious song, not like Get

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in the Ring where Axl Rose is pissed off at a

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bunch of people and naming them and saying he's

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going to beat them up. Talking about real songs.

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Yeah. So... And the best one I came up with was

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Don't Fear the Reaper, Blue Oyster Cult. That's

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a good point. Yeah, that one I agree. That was

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a horrible song. It's okay. It's boring. It's

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the same thing over and over and over and over.

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And people love it now because it's the more

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cowbell song. Yes. That's its claim to fame,

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which makes it even more solidly on the list

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of worst song. Yes. Wouldn't that burn it for

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you, Godzilla? Joan Crawford has risen from the

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dead. That's a great song. There's so many songs

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that they did. I'm like, Joan Crawford has risen

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from the dead. It will never get the credit it

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deserves. That guitar tone that he uses on there

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is insane. Yeah. I don't know how he gets it.

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I mean, that is just such a, I mean, just listen

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to the rest of the album that don't fear. The

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reaper is on the rest of the album. Okay, great.

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Yeah. Anyway. Okay. That was my. My one that

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I knew for sure on the list. And mine's Guns

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N' Roses, Sweet Child. Oh, mine. Oh, mine. Yeah,

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so those are great examples. I didn't have time

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to get to them, and it sounds like that you're

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trying to. So maybe next episode, one after,

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we'll have a few of them for you. Yeah, I'll

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try to stay away from the one -hit wonders. That's

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what I was trying to do, too. By definition,

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that's there. Yeah, that's why, you know, I was

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like, you know, this is going to take some thought,

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and stuff's going to pop to me periodically.

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So I kind of, like, really just didn't delve

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into it. What I did do was I looked at some feuds

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or supposed feuds that went on and how bad they

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really were and what they guess really happened

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or did happen. Oh, yeah. You like that? We always

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get the spin right off the bat. And then after

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that, we get the version of whoever won the lawsuit.

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And it takes a while. You finally hear what really

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happened. Yes. So the first one I got, and a

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lot of people didn't know this, but the feud

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between Neil Young and Leonard Skinner. Oh, yeah,

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yeah, over Southern Man. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Leonard

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Skinner won that because of their actions is

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what people are saying. Yeah. And their statement

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was this, and that's why I said people think

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they won it. It's because their statement was,

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we know the difference between right and wrong.

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That's what they said about Neil Young mouthing

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off about Southern Man. Yeah. I remember that.

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Yeah, I do too. southern man a track featured

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on his seminal album after the gold rush it wasn't

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only van zant that was offended though the material

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also said a large portion of his fans from the

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region the song tackles racism into the era's

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historical relationship with slavery and its

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ties to the ku klux klan young depicted a dark

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picture of a place leonard skinner called home

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and they were aggrieved by the cheap stereotyping

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used on southern man And I agree with that. I

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make fun of hillbillies, hicks, whatever you

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want to call them, all the time. But I grew up

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a large portion of my life down there, and I

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feel I have the right to say that. And it's all

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lovingly anyhow. Look, there's a lot of fine

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people, really fine people, who are out there

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working hard and doing what's right. This, I

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don't think, was parody like I do. This was him

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trying to make a political statement at their

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expense. And isn't it interesting that the loving

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and accepting and tolerant liberal Neil Young

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is lumping everybody in South together and declaring

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they're all bad people? Hypocrisy. Isn't that

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prejudice and bigotry on Neil Young's part? And

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he's supposed to be this tolerant, accepting

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liberal? If you were a real liberal, you would

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diminish that song. You'd say, I don't want that

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song near me. Yeah, it's full of prejudice and

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bigotry and assumptions. And because I'm honest

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about it. My liberalism. I choose to put that

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song in the same category I would put any song

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that's racist. Yeah, like, you know, all left

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-handed people are this way, all Republicans

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are that way, all boomers do this. It's all prejudice.

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Some of it is considered funny and laughed at

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and worthy of posting on social media, and others

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will get you fired. Yeah, that's right. But it's

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all various forms of prejudice and bigotry. It's

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just whichever one's in fashion right now. Exactly.

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That's a good way to put it. Yeah, if it's in,

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then you can do whatever you want. Yeah, right

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now it's completely in fashion to be completely

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bigoted and full of hate and prejudice against

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anybody who identifies as conservative or Republican.

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Yes. They are the target. Yep. They all get lumped

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together into one big group of evil. Yeah. None

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of them are taken as individuals anymore. Isn't

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that interesting? I know. And these are coming

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from people that say they're tolerant. Yeah.

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And that's why they're out there fighting. So,

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okay, as a result of the backlash, Young attempted

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to defend his generalization by claiming that

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the song was more about civil rights movement

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than the South. However, his justification fell

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on deaf ears, which it should have. Because he

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should have said that. Yeah, he should have said

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that. He didn't. He was taking a cheap shot at

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him, trying to make himself look like this all

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-loving guy. Virtue signaling. Virtue signaling,

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yes. Look how beautiful and wonderful I am. He

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has to be seen and heard doing this, or it doesn't

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matter. Exactly. Yeah. And all he was doing was

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a photo op. Yeah. In the liner notes, song could

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have been written on a civil rights march after

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stopping off to watch Gone with the Wind at a

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local theater. I don't know why they put that

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in there. Well, the movie Gone with the Wind

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has some pretty unattractive racial stereotypes

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in there. You think that's what they're getting

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at? I almost X'd that out, but I thought I'd

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run it by you and see what you thought. And it

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also kind of glossed over the Confederacy and

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what they were about and their goals and how

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they treated people. The book and the movie were

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written and made at a time when that was accepted

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to gloss over the sins of the Confederacy and

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the Civil War, etc. And a lot of people considered

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it to be Confederate propaganda in a small way.

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Okay, okay, I see. All right, thanks. Seeing

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Gone with the Wind might have pushed him over

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the edge, seeing that the slaves in the first

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half of the movie, they're slaves, and the second

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half of the movie, the Civil War's over. So they're

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speaking for Neil Young, why he wrote that, why

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he thought that. Yeah. I don't think he ever

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stated that, though, did he? No, and in fact,

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recently he came out and apologized to Leonard

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Skinner and all the people in the southern U

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.S. for these generalizations, but at the same

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time he said, But it wasn't what I really meant

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to begin with. No, no, you can't do that. So

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it wasn't a real apology. Then why do you apologize

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if that's not what you meant? Again, he's trying

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to polish his brand. Yeah. Yeah. He might as

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well forget it. His brand's never coming back.

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I don't think so. I think he had a resurgence

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when Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam fell in love with

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him. And since then he's been mostly irrelevant.

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The godfather of grunge is what they called him?

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No way. No, he's, I mean, he looked kind of grunge.

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Yeah, he did. But that was about it. His music

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really wasn't. His guitar was sloppy like grunge.

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Yeah. Other than that, making political statements

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does not have to be grunge. No. I listened to

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a podcast a few years back that used to be really

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good music. It was an open mic kind of thing,

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singer -songwriter at a coffee shop in New York.

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It was in Long Island. And people would come

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up with a guitar or a keyboard or whatever and

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do their song. And there were some really good

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musicians, some really interesting songs. And

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then the election of 2000 happened. And everyone

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was divided over whether Al Gore really won.

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The dingling Chad. Yeah. Or the hanging Chad

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or whatever. And from that moment on. Every person

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who got up at that open mic in that coffee shop

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was singing these political protest songs, and

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that's okay, except they were really shitty songs.

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I mean, just awful. They put all their effort

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into trying to come up with clever lyrics, and

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the music itself was garbage. And I quit listening

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after about a month, and then a month later I

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checked back to see if they had changed, and

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they were gone. Hmm. Because nobody wanted to

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listen to that shit. You know? Not on a podcast.

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No. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I agree. And a

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music podcast to that. Yeah. So, you know, all

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those people felt good and they felt righteous

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getting up and stating their political view.

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But everyone else decided, you know what? We

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don't have to participate. Bye. You're right.

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Yeah. And it goes for all sides. Okay. All right.

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So let's assume that Neil Young, that's how he

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wrote the song. Okay. It was still wrong. Whatever.

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Two years after Southern Man took another shot

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at the South, when he returned, Young took another

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shot at the South, when he returned to the same.

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contingent album on Alabama this time. Singled

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out the state particularly. Yes, Alabama. The

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Canadian attempted, and I love the way they worded

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this, the Canadian attempted to justify the song

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stating that Alabama wasn't specific to the state

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but felt like an appropriate title to convey

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the track's message. Bullshit. Yeah. No, he's

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a blathering fucking idiot. He's a blowhard.

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So... Actually, the song is more about a personal

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thing than it is about a state. He explained

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with the liner notes. And I've just used that

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name and the state to hide whatever it is I have

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to hide. I don't know what that means. You know,

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when... So he pretty much said nothing. Yeah,

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yeah. When the artist and writer who was coming

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up with Batman wanted to use a city like New

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York, he didn't call it New York. He called it

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Gotham City. And now New York's code word is

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Gotham City. So Neil Young could have come up

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with a word like confederalia instead of singling

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out a state. I mean, writers and creative people

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have been doing that for centuries, but he couldn't

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figure that part out. Well, it's because he was

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singling out the state of Alabama. Yes. And now

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he's lying about it. Yes. Yep. Either that or

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he's too stupid to compose music using pseudonyms

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and allegory and metaphor. I think that that

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is a part of it, too, but I also think that his

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audience is a part of it. He does not think that

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they're capable of figuring that out. Yeah, and

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there's a certain part of him that will just

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take what he says and go, yeah, I don't want

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to feel bad about him, so I'm just going to believe

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him. Exactly. Oh, well, it's the way things go.

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The singer -songwriter was well aware of the

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furious reaction the song would initiate from

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people of Alabama, especially after the anger

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that he had caused with Southern Man. But that

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didn't stop him from starting round two. Unfortunately

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for Young, in this case, the fury would ground

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out the message he was trying to spread. I disagree

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with the message he was trying to spread, unless

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they mean it in the old form of him being hateful.

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It did not specify, but I'm saying, by the way,

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this was written, that they meant like his hateful

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message wasn't received like he thought it was

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going to be. Yeah, yeah. His intent was a message

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of raising awareness. That's basically what he

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was trying to do. And we've seen how useless

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and stupid raising awareness is. Oh, yeah. It

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shouldn't even be on the radar. No. So that was

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his attempt is, oh, maybe that's what he thought

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he was doing, is, oh, I'm raising awareness about

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the civil rights struggle that is still going

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on in the South. He's a modern -day Susan G.

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Komen. There you go. Or not a modern -day. An

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antique. And what the message, how it was received

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was, okay, you hate the southern U .S., so we're

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not interested in hearing you sing about it.

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here in the southern U .S. We don't want to hear

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you singing about how awful we are, so we don't

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want it. This article didn't mention it, but

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I remember him doubling down on this. Oh, yeah.

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Because he said southern rebels. Uh -huh. And

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that caused more fury than anything. This article

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didn't go into that. But that right there led

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to people going to his concerts and screaming

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and yelling at him. Yeah. Getting him to run

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off stage and people threatening him. You know

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what's interesting? Calling somebody in the South

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a rebel, that's kind of like the N -word. It

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is, yes. If you are one, you can use it, but

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nobody else better. No, no, no. He is an extreme

00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.799
liberal. He could not use it. Uh -uh. Yeah, that's

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kind of like the Southern person's N -word is

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rebel. And that's the way they viewed it, too.

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They're like, he's calling us trash. Yeah, because

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that's the way the Union soldiers would use it.

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Yeah, they got some rebel. It diminishes you

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into nothing category. Undeserving of human life.

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Yes. So, yeah, that has remained. So that was

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a big miscalculation. He claimed he didn't realize

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what that word meant. No, he did. That's why

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he said it. He was mad. He was angry. Remember

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when Def Leppard put their foot in it in a concert

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in El Paso? Uh -huh. The singer... During the

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concert, he addressed the audience and he said,

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it's great to be out here performing for all

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this bunch of greasy Mexicans. Did he? He did.

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Joe Elliott said that? Joe Elliott said that.

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And the place erupted. And I think they were

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able to finish the concert. And the next day

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he was like, dude, I seriously thought that was

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like calling a British person a limey. Like,

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it's no big deal. It's a joke. Oh, he is British.

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Yeah. Maybe he did. So he said somebody mentioned

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that term, and he thought it was just an accepted

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joke term, like calling someone a redneck is

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no big deal. He was trying to endear himself

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in the crowd. But he came out with a really ugly

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racial slur. Now, I believe he did that by mistake.

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I believe he really didn't want to do it. But

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Neil Young knew what he was saying. Oh, yeah.

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You know, Rick Allen looked at Joe Elliott and

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said, I already only have one fucking arm. Why

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are you doing this? Oh, this was like their tour

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for their second album. This was like really

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early in their career. Oh, on through the night.

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Yeah. Yeah, okay. He still had his second arm

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at that point. Yeah, he still had, yeah. All

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right. When I met him, they were touring, opening

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for... Oh, did you meet him? Yeah, yeah. Ted

00:16:39.590 --> 00:16:41.830
Nugent was coming to town, and Def Leppard was

00:16:41.830 --> 00:16:43.889
opening for him. And they just had their brand

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new hit with Wasted and Rock Brigade. Yeah, yeah.

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And they were across the street at KY -102. I

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was across the street from them at Penn Valley

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Community College. So once I heard they were

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there, I just bailed, walked across the street,

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walked in. I just happened to be wearing a shirt

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that day that said, I'm the drummer. And there

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were a couple of suits in the lobby that looked

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at me with my long hair and saw the shirt and

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said, oh, the rest of the band's upstairs. Go

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ahead. Oh, that's fucking awesome. Wasn't it?

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So I just walked up and there's like, I think

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it was Joe McCabe. and Dick Wilson and all five

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guys from Def Leppard looking like little children

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because I was already older than them at that

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point. And somebody just run out to get them

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all beer. And here they were, underage British

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kids drinking beer at a radio station, and I

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was able to talk to them and shake their hands.

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And KY just didn't care? No, I was just, you

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know, who the hell is this guy? I don't know.

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They let him in. So nobody questioned it because

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I acted like I belonged there. I got a question.

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It was so fun. You mentioned Joe McCabe. Yeah.

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Do you remember his alter ego or his nickname?

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No, I remember he had one, but I can't remember.

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Skippy, the housewife's friend. That's it. Skippy,

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the housewife's friend. And yes, I forgot who

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said I should write a book on Kansas City Radio.

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You're right. I read it last night on the emails.

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You're right. I know more stuff than... I know

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stuff that people shouldn't even fucking remember.

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Yeah. Because I was always so much into it. Yeah.

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So, yeah, you're right. But if I wrote a book,

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you'd be the only one reading it. Be sure to

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include that spoof commercial. Remember when,

00:18:24.859 --> 00:18:29.500
you know Bowflex? Yeah. The exercise Bowflex?

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When they first come out, they were called Soloflex.

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Yes. And 102 did a spoof commercial called Solosex.

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Yes, I remember that. Which was copied by a million

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different people. And KY put it on their CD when

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they released a CD of their best bits. And the

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company... I would love to have one of those.

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...disappeared for about six, eight months, rebranded

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themselves as Bowflex, and then came back. So

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102 destroyed their brand. I'm glad they didn't

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go Bowflex. Isn't that awesome? It is. Hey, we

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got a new name, guys. What's that? Biflex? Shake

00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:10.630
weight. Next. What about that candy called AIDS?

00:19:10.849 --> 00:19:14.250
AIDS, yeah. It was A -Y -D -S, and it was before

00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:16.910
AIDS. Yeah, it was a weight loss candy. It was

00:19:16.910 --> 00:19:19.769
a weight loss one, yeah. How ironic. Yeah, oh,

00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:22.549
God. You know, South Park had a wonderful time

00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:25.869
with that. Oh, God, yeah. South Park was kings

00:19:25.869 --> 00:19:29.670
of illustrating through the obscenely absurd.

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They put Jared from Subway on talking about his

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weight loss, and he kept telling the South Park

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boys it was because he had AIDS. And he meant

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people physically helping him, but they thought

00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.220
he meant the disease. Yes. And he kept talking

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about, I think everyone should have AIDS. I want

00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:51.019
to give a bunch of children AIDS. He wanted to

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give a bunch of children a lot of things. Yeah.

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That's why he's in prison. That is. And getting

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smacked in the face every morning called Chomo.

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I hope he's getting smacked with lots of footlongs.

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Oh, I think he's getting a lot of footlongs right

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now. Matter of fact, they probably went on because

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his footlong receiver is probably blown out.

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Probably so. You've got to move on to the right

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nostril. Yeah, yes. Okay, never mind. Okay, all

00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:19.799
right. How about the Beatles double cross? Michael

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Jackson's betrayal of Paul McCartney. Yes. And

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this, I used to think this was bullshit. I did

00:20:26.779 --> 00:20:29.380
too. But it was not. Yeah, it was real. Okay,

00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:33.339
so Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, this disaster

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initiated in 1978, way before people thought

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it did, when Paul McCartney wrote the song Girlfriend

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for MJ. In fact, Jackson's producer, Quincy Jones,

00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.339
suggested that Michael cover the track, to which

00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:49.539
he agreed. It was included in his 1979 breakthrough,

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Off the Wall. The pair then duetted. On the hit

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single, The Girl Is Mine. Remember that one?

00:20:56.170 --> 00:20:58.269
Oh, yeah. A lot of people don't remember that

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song. I do. In 1982, from Jax's most iconic album,

00:21:01.730 --> 00:21:05.609
Thriller. The musical acts' powers would not

00:21:05.609 --> 00:21:07.630
stop there, though. They teamed up again the

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following year for not one, but two songs on

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McCartney's fourth solo studio album. I remember

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Ebony and Ivory. And Say, Say, Say. Yeah, that

00:21:16.089 --> 00:21:19.950
was the other one. Anyhow, okay, his album was

00:21:19.950 --> 00:21:23.309
called Pipes of Peep. and it led to the album's

00:21:23.309 --> 00:21:26.609
hit single, Say, Say, Say, and album track, The

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Man. It was to be during the recording sessions

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for Say, Say, Say that events would be set into

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motion that would kick off music's biggest betrayal.

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Now this is the part where I didn't realize everything

00:21:40.089 --> 00:21:42.750
that went on before it. I knew what Michael Jackson

00:21:42.750 --> 00:21:45.849
had done, and I didn't know if it was necessarily

00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:49.380
a problem because the music was for sale. Yeah,

00:21:49.460 --> 00:21:52.680
yeah. Okay. Equating to Brutus and Caesar, allegedly.

00:21:53.019 --> 00:21:56.819
When in conversation, Paul McCartney advised

00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:59.759
Jackson to invest his colossal wealth into music

00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.900
publishing. He encouraged him to. On this day,

00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.579
August 14, 1985, the unspeakable would happen.

00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.779
MJ obtained the publishing rights to a majority

00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:13.000
of the Beatles' back catalog for $47 million

00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.799
for parent company ATV. McCartney had not been

00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:18.980
receiving his share of the earnings from Beatles

00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:22.839
songs since 1969 due to the mismanagement of

00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.819
him and John Lennon's publishing company, Northern

00:22:25.819 --> 00:22:30.079
Songs. Respectively, in 1989, McCartney said

00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.319
of the Northern Songs situation, Very early on,

00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.880
we got managed into a little situation, he explained.

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It meant that whatever the lion's share of the

00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.119
songs we did were taken by someone else. However...

00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.339
Back in 1985, McCartney planned to launch a bid

00:22:45.339 --> 00:22:49.799
to purchase back the rights of the song. That

00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.539
way he could pay himself. Yes. Yeah, I get it.

00:22:52.539 --> 00:22:55.119
And Michael Jackson jumped in front of him and

00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:57.839
bought the rights, which led to a very bitter

00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:00.799
feud and a lot of things being said. Because

00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.200
that way Michael Jackson could continue to not

00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.220
pay Paul McCartney. Yes, yes. Oh my gosh. But

00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:11.000
above all, he encouraged him. But he didn't mean

00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.569
his stuff. Yeah. It's like teaching a guy how

00:23:15.569 --> 00:23:17.750
to pick up women, and then he seduces your wife.

00:23:19.930 --> 00:23:22.390
Teach you how to beat up bullies, and he beats

00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:24.549
you up. Yeah. Hang on, hang on. I think I got

00:23:24.549 --> 00:23:30.450
really good at this. That's fucking good. Yeah,

00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:34.190
tell her how pretty she is. Next thing you know,

00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:39.869
hey, not on my wife. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. How about

00:23:39.869 --> 00:23:42.569
the most famous, and I think everybody heard

00:23:42.569 --> 00:23:45.289
about this, it actually happened live on MTV

00:23:45.289 --> 00:23:48.450
for one instance. This was a rivalry between

00:23:48.450 --> 00:23:51.750
Axl Rose of Guns N' Roses and Kurt Cobain of

00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:55.309
Nirvana. Remember that fight? No, I don't. You

00:23:55.309 --> 00:23:58.170
don't? Oh, that was big. I was remembering Eddie

00:23:58.170 --> 00:24:03.049
Van Halen and David Lee Roth having an unpleasantness

00:24:03.049 --> 00:24:04.470
on stage once. You know what, I don't know if

00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.430
I covered that because people know, you know.

00:24:06.569 --> 00:24:09.190
Yeah, that was... It was... Well, and also, I'd

00:24:09.190 --> 00:24:11.390
have to write a 30 -page article. No, no kidding.

00:24:11.390 --> 00:24:12.789
Because they're always at each other's throats.

00:24:12.849 --> 00:24:14.650
And now Alex Van Halen is feuding with Sammy

00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:17.589
Hagar. Sammy's saying, look, just leave me alone

00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:20.089
and I'll leave you alone. Yeah. And the threat

00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:22.289
is, if you would continue this, then I'm willing

00:24:22.289 --> 00:24:25.750
to spread the dirt. Yeah, and Alex did shut up,

00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:30.289
to his credit. Yeah, he better. Yeah. And I don't

00:24:30.289 --> 00:24:34.630
know what happened to the event of them hating

00:24:34.630 --> 00:24:36.549
each other so much. It really wasn't addressed

00:24:36.549 --> 00:24:40.200
in Alex's book. There's a lot more to this that

00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.160
we're not finding out. And I think that's part

00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.140
of the reason that they're both shutting up is

00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:46.279
because no one has said enough yet. Exactly.

00:24:46.420 --> 00:24:48.740
Yeah. So they decided to shut it down before

00:24:48.740 --> 00:24:51.779
it really got interesting. Yeah. Let's not destroy

00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.400
everybody's brand here. Let's just keep it to

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.880
ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. So the rivalry between

00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:00.339
Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses' Kurt Cobain fueled

00:25:00.339 --> 00:25:03.039
by contrasting musical styles and personalities.

00:25:03.789 --> 00:25:06.950
While Axl initially impressed admiration for

00:25:06.950 --> 00:25:09.750
Nirvana, the feeling wasn't reciprocated by Kurt,

00:25:09.890 --> 00:25:12.869
who publicly criticized Guns N' Roses and their

00:25:12.869 --> 00:25:15.589
frontman. Yeah, he didn't like a lot of people.

00:25:15.869 --> 00:25:18.930
I know. He hated everybody that had anything

00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:21.829
to do with music. And pretty much anyone who

00:25:21.829 --> 00:25:25.170
was successful. Yes. It was the anti. It was

00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:27.670
a blowback from the glam years. Yeah, yeah. It

00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:29.670
was like they went the polar opposite. They're

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:31.910
tired of... Guys putting on makeup and wearing

00:25:31.910 --> 00:25:34.529
tight pants. I think a good way to look at the

00:25:34.529 --> 00:25:38.130
grunge era is just like the punk era, except

00:25:38.130 --> 00:25:42.390
now the guys could play. Yes. In the 70s punk

00:25:42.390 --> 00:25:44.809
era, nobody could play shit. Not all of them

00:25:44.809 --> 00:25:47.529
could play, most of them. But in grunge, it was

00:25:47.529 --> 00:25:49.890
punk guys and gals who could actually play this

00:25:49.890 --> 00:25:52.700
time and write decent songs. Yeah. And it worked

00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:55.220
really well because people were tired of Firehouse,

00:25:55.299 --> 00:25:57.400
Don't Treat Me Bad. Yes. They want to hear a

00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.960
song about fucking teen angst. And somebody with,

00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.619
you know, a nine -foot halo of hair around his

00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:06.740
head. Yes. And if anyone's wondering about that

00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:10.420
Generation X parody that I did, that's why I

00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:13.319
did it. Because all these people, including me

00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.380
and everybody else, well, I wasn't the angst

00:26:15.380 --> 00:26:17.920
guy. I never fell for that. I never wore flannel.

00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.920
Okay. But everybody. that was against the establishment.

00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.880
Everybody that shook their fist at the man, everybody

00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.839
said that they would never be a part of it, all

00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.880
have boats. Yeah. And it's happened like this

00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.400
in every generation. Right now, we're talking

00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.740
about Gen Z. One of these days, they're going

00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:37.440
to own boats. And they're going to look at the

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.160
younger generation and shake their head and go,

00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:42.359
oh my, boy, you guys are fucking up. That's what

00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.299
that is. It's a parody. I could have done it

00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:46.279
on the boomers. I could do it on the millennials.

00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.160
But because I'm an Xer, I feel I have the right

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.720
to point that out. Yeah, that's the thing I think

00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.339
about when I hear people criticizing certain

00:26:56.339 --> 00:27:00.420
generations or rolling their eyes at, oh, that's

00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:03.200
boomer talk. Get off my lawn. Yeah. Or the boomer

00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.380
talk. Yeah, it's like, dude, if you don't die

00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:07.059
first, you're going to be right there someday.

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.339
Yes. And everybody's going to look at you and

00:27:09.339 --> 00:27:11.319
roll in their eyes at what a fossil you are.

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:13.680
How come he stinks? It just happens. Yeah, that's

00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.180
true. Unless you die first, you're going to be

00:27:16.180 --> 00:27:18.519
there. You're going to be there. People don't

00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.339
even realize it happens. Yeah. And that's how

00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:23.140
come Progressive had such great commercials with

00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:25.839
Unbecoming Your Parents. Yes. Because I think

00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.720
that strikes a nerve with anybody that watches

00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.359
and understands it. Yeah, I remember when I was

00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.920
like 12, 13, 14 years old, I was really convinced

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.059
that the kind of music that was popular at that

00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.339
point was going to be popular forever. Yeah,

00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:39.839
me too. Because I couldn't imagine anything better.

00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:42.190
Yeah. It's like, the shows that are on, these

00:27:42.190 --> 00:27:44.769
are just going to last for 20, 30 years. Everyone's

00:27:44.769 --> 00:27:46.890
going to keep making movies just like this. The

00:27:46.890 --> 00:27:48.769
music's just like... But, you know, five years

00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:51.089
later, it was vastly different, and I was disappointed.

00:27:51.390 --> 00:27:54.990
But that's what happens. So no matter how much

00:27:54.990 --> 00:27:56.589
you love it and think this is great, it's going

00:27:56.589 --> 00:28:00.549
to last forever, it... It kind of isn't. I agree.

00:28:00.710 --> 00:28:02.210
Maybe a little version is ever going to last

00:28:02.210 --> 00:28:05.029
forever in somebody's world. You can still go

00:28:05.029 --> 00:28:08.170
somewhere and hear classical symphony music.

00:28:08.490 --> 00:28:10.849
The guy that makes money in music is the one

00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:13.829
that spots trends. The one that goes, all right,

00:28:13.930 --> 00:28:16.569
this has run its course. Then you have all these

00:28:16.569 --> 00:28:18.349
bands behind it that are doing the same thing,

00:28:18.390 --> 00:28:21.269
like the Glam Era. You have like 100 ,000 bands

00:28:21.269 --> 00:28:24.710
doing glam. And then all of a sudden, even Mother

00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:28.869
Love Bone from Seattle, they all overnight, wore

00:28:28.869 --> 00:28:30.670
flannel, took off the makeup, and cut their hair.

00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:34.329
I remember a statement from the lead singer of

00:28:34.329 --> 00:28:37.750
Loverboy. He's loving every minute of it. Yeah.

00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:41.109
They were having a great career. Their career

00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:43.950
was building, getting higher, and they had a

00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:47.910
whole other album of material ready to go. And

00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:50.529
the record label said, nah, we're not interested

00:28:50.529 --> 00:28:52.750
in that kind of music anymore because it's all

00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:57.490
grunge now. We can't rebrand you as Grunge, so

00:28:57.490 --> 00:28:59.769
we're basically not interested anymore. But however,

00:28:59.990 --> 00:29:03.150
we sold your song riff to 2 ,000 radio stations

00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:08.430
5 o 'clock on a Friday evening. Exactly. So look

00:29:08.430 --> 00:29:12.089
for your mailbox. Look in your mailbox. If you've

00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:14.950
got decent music publishing. This one, KY102,

00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:17.509
they owe you like $3 ,000. I would think so.

00:29:20.029 --> 00:29:22.900
Remember, that was... That was the standard.

00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.380
That was a gold standard. Yeah. Somewhere in

00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.220
that Friday at 5 o 'clock collage. Everybody's

00:29:28.220 --> 00:29:30.039
working for the weekend would come on, yeah.

00:29:30.220 --> 00:29:31.619
And then every now and then they'd put in a really

00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:34.480
cute ah, ah, ah, ah, like fucking what's -his

00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.960
-name did. Anyhow. All right. Early admiration,

00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.740
growing dislike. Axl Rose initially showed interest

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.400
in Nirvana, even wearing a Nirvana t -shirt in

00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.000
a Guns N' Roses video, which they've since erased.

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.119
They've taken the Nirvana off of it. Oh, that's

00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.480
awesome. However, Kurt Cobain publicly distanced

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.079
Nirvana from Guns N' Roses, portraying them as

00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.319
a diametrically opposed. And I agree, they were.

00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.299
Pretty much, yeah. They were. They wanted the

00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:03.240
fame, fortune, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:06.579
Well, Guns N' Roses was a big stage. They had

00:30:06.579 --> 00:30:08.859
the biggest stage around. They were a big show.

00:30:09.339 --> 00:30:12.720
The band itself was, what, five people? Yeah.

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:15.559
On stage, it was 20. And I'm not kidding you,

00:30:15.579 --> 00:30:18.480
I went to nothing. They had brass sections. They

00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.339
had grand piano that Axl Rose played. They had

00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:23.700
different basses. They had different, I mean,

00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:27.619
they brought out the whole fucking kitchen for

00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:29.759
it. I remember Emerson, Lake, and Palmer did

00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.460
that back in the 70s. That's probably where you

00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:34.960
got it from. They got to the point during the

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.579
tour where their management said, look, we're

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:39.599
losing money every show. Because we simply can't

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.680
charge enough to cover the cost of all these

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.980
people and moving them from city to city. Back

00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:45.859
then, you had to hire them all and then move

00:30:45.859 --> 00:30:49.359
them all from city to city. Nowadays, if you're

00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.519
moving to San Francisco, you can book an orchestra

00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.019
that's already there, send them the music, say,

00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.660
okay, learn this, and show up at the venue. But

00:30:56.660 --> 00:30:58.240
in the 70s, you had to hire them and take them

00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.819
with you. And they just couldn't afford it. Well,

00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.180
I think Guns N' Roses had a certain amount of

00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:05.980
ones that traveled with them, but I think a lot

00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:07.720
of them they probably hired wherever they were

00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.000
at. Yeah, that's the smart way to do it. Because

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.039
some of them they wouldn't announce, but the

00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:13.680
ones they announced I'm pretty sure are ones

00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.400
that had something to do with the album or the

00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.099
touring, you know, the touring aspect of it.

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.779
So Kurt's statements included drawing a line

00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:25.940
between two bands, starting that Nirvana had

00:31:25.940 --> 00:31:28.339
something to say while Guns N' Roses did not.

00:31:29.349 --> 00:31:31.890
No, Guns N' Roses had a lot to say. It was all

00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.089
personal that nobody knew anything about. Yeah,

00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:36.890
yeah. Every time Axl Rose was mad at somebody

00:31:36.890 --> 00:31:39.490
or he had an itchy asshole, he wrote a song about

00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:42.369
somebody, but then he would try to skip around

00:31:42.369 --> 00:31:44.549
it, but everybody knew who it was about. See,

00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:46.390
Neil Young, you can take a lesson from that.

00:31:46.549 --> 00:31:49.269
Yes. He didn't have to single out Southern Man

00:31:49.269 --> 00:31:51.690
or Alabama, did he? No. He wrote in metaphor.

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:54.309
He wrote in metaphor. Yeah. Look how well that

00:31:54.309 --> 00:31:58.490
worked for him, Axl. He also made remarks implying

00:31:58.490 --> 00:32:02.410
that fans would have to choose between supporting

00:32:02.410 --> 00:32:06.049
Guns N' Roses or Nirvana. Oh, that's dumb. That

00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:08.609
is so dumb. Actually, it worked, though. It did?

00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:13.569
Crazy. Look, on that there's no clear -cut winner,

00:32:13.670 --> 00:32:16.970
so you're right. Nobody won that. No. But you

00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:21.390
had two camps. The Nirvana camp was growing much

00:32:21.390 --> 00:32:23.349
faster than the Guns N' Roses camp, though. It

00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:26.200
was the issue for Guns N' Roses. Yeah. You had

00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.259
people literally in the streets, one of them

00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:29.680
wearing a Guns N' Roses, one of them wearing

00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.960
a Nirvana. And they're showing homage to what

00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.779
they liked. Yeah, I guess there is money to be

00:32:34.779 --> 00:32:37.220
made in the us versus them conflict. Yeah, there

00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:41.400
is. But the thing is, is nobody won. No. Because

00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.700
they just divided everybody up. They've been

00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:47.079
smarter to have been like, look, we each do our

00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.279
own thing. Man, you can listen to both. Yeah.

00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:52.329
But they didn't. Cobain's public interest and

00:32:52.329 --> 00:32:54.950
stance on social issues, including equality and

00:32:54.950 --> 00:32:58.849
feminism, contrasted sharply with Axel's perceived

00:32:58.849 --> 00:33:02.269
image. They're not saying that was what he was.

00:33:02.390 --> 00:33:05.589
His perceived image. Yeah. Cobain's frustration

00:33:05.589 --> 00:33:07.589
with the celebrity and attention surrounding

00:33:07.589 --> 00:33:10.529
his success might have also contributed to his

00:33:10.529 --> 00:33:14.089
dislike to Axel. I think everybody disliked him

00:33:14.089 --> 00:33:17.619
on that level. Yeah, yeah. For a long time, the

00:33:17.619 --> 00:33:19.880
only thing coming out about Axl was negative

00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:21.799
stuff. You know, they were saying all the things

00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.799
he was doing, but none of the reasons why. Axl

00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.960
Rose's emotional problems stemming from what

00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.160
happened to him as a child, allegedly, which

00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:30.680
probably did. I don't know why you'd make that

00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.000
up. A lot of that came from there. Yeah. You

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.960
know? And then getting into band with a bunch

00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.609
of... waste -oids, and he's the only one who's

00:33:41.609 --> 00:33:43.930
keeping it together, and he's basically carrying

00:33:43.930 --> 00:33:46.329
the whole band. I've been in that situation before,

00:33:46.390 --> 00:33:50.569
and it fucking sucks. Yeah, so I'm not surprised

00:33:50.569 --> 00:33:52.589
that he insisted on getting the whole thing signed

00:33:52.589 --> 00:33:54.369
over to him, because the rest of the band was

00:33:54.369 --> 00:33:56.049
going to sell it to some drug dealer. I call

00:33:56.049 --> 00:33:58.849
that move brilliant. It was. He saved Guns N'

00:33:58.930 --> 00:34:01.869
Roses. He saved Guns N' Roses. And he knew that

00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:03.990
they had to go along with it. Otherwise, he was

00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:07.950
going to end it. Yep. And the thing is, Axl could...

00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.300
could tour as Guns N' Roses. Yeah. And he did.

00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.039
The rest of them could not. No. No, you really

00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.260
can't. No. Unfortunately like that, Vince Neil

00:34:21.260 --> 00:34:23.900
got to tour and still does solo. Yeah. Because

00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:26.380
he's the voice of what people knew. I mean, he

00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:29.940
sucks, but he's the voice. Yeah. Yeah. So, some

00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:32.940
accounts describe Axl as a more sensitive, artistic,

00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:37.500
while Cobain is seen as more combative. The 1992

00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:40.840
MTV Video Music Awards incident. Oh, here we

00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.599
go. Okay. The rivalry reached a peak at the 1992

00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.019
MTV Video Music Awards when Axl and his then

00:34:48.019 --> 00:34:50.480
-girlfriend passed by Kurt and Courtney Love.

00:34:51.099 --> 00:34:53.300
According to various accounts, Axl's behavior

00:34:53.300 --> 00:34:55.559
during that encounter contributed to the growing

00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.739
animosity between them. Axl has also expressed,

00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:02.519
well, okay, it didn't go into that on this article,

00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:04.679
and I apologize. I wanted it to. I didn't realize

00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.739
that it didn't. There were some words said. Yeah.

00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:10.659
And I guess, like, I think Kurt Cobain called

00:35:10.659 --> 00:35:13.059
them, like, posers and non -musicians. Oh, yeah,

00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:15.960
I remember that. Yeah. And Axl Rose turned around

00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.179
and said something like, you know, my guys can

00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:20.940
play their fucking instruments, which was wrong.

00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:23.760
He had a lot of talented people on Nirvana. Yeah.

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.460
Nova Selleck. Well, Kurt Cobain, too. He was

00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:29.679
sloppy, but he had emotion in what he did, which

00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:35.239
made it good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that... Turned

00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:36.960
into a big thing. It was almost a fist fight.

00:35:37.179 --> 00:35:39.739
And actually, if I remember correctly, it ended

00:35:39.739 --> 00:35:43.139
up on air. Wow. One of them was backstage. And

00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.539
if I remember correctly, Axl was on the stage.

00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.860
And Kurt Cobain was back there screaming at him.

00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.460
Saying, come here, you pussy, and all this stuff.

00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.739
Wow. And MTV, being smart back in those days

00:35:53.739 --> 00:35:56.880
and still having music, they panned to Cobain.

00:35:57.019 --> 00:35:59.860
And then everybody said it was staged, but it

00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:03.960
wasn't. Wow, that's funny. Yeah. Axel has also

00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.300
expressed his admiration for... What the fuck

00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:08.699
was that? Pigeon just dropped a stick on us.

00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.739
They don't like our podcast. No. That's Kurt

00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:14.659
Cobain from the grave. Go get your stick, bird.

00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.980
That's Kurt Cobain from the grave. That was.

00:36:17.539 --> 00:36:19.739
Sorry, Kurt. We're not making fun of you. At

00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:23.900
least he didn't crap on us. All right. Okay,

00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:27.760
yeah. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, no shit, literally.

00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.960
Yeah. All right, okay. Axel also expressed his

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.119
admiration for Kurt Cobain. This is way later,

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.980
though. They didn't say that. And talent and

00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:39.500
the impact of Nirvana. He reportedly felt a connection

00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:42.500
with Cobain, even though the feeling wasn't reciprocated,

00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.840
which we know. Some accounts suggest that Axel,

00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.420
I almost called him asshole. I bet a lot of people

00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:52.280
have. Oh, I bet so, too. Axel was deeply affected

00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.320
by Cobain's death, expressed empathy and understanding.

00:36:55.539 --> 00:36:57.949
Well, yeah. The stuff that happened to Axel Rose,

00:36:58.110 --> 00:37:01.929
allegedly, but probably did, would put him in

00:37:01.929 --> 00:37:03.710
the same category of depression and may want

00:37:03.710 --> 00:37:06.110
to kill himself. So I'm sure that he thought,

00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:08.849
I was there. I was there with a gun in my mouth

00:37:08.849 --> 00:37:11.849
or whatever. I was there, but I got through it.

00:37:11.869 --> 00:37:14.650
This poor gentleman couldn't. That's something

00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:17.349
that can also fuel the animosity is if Axel is

00:37:17.349 --> 00:37:19.170
feeling like, hey, man, you and I are in the

00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:21.309
same boat. We should be colleagues here. You

00:37:21.309 --> 00:37:23.769
shouldn't be attacking me. I counted on you for

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.280
support, and now you're attacking me. That can

00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.099
feel like even, you know, the double betrayal.

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.360
I think in the middle of that, there was a lot

00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.519
of that going on because of the emotions. Yeah.

00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:35.900
You know, it wasn't just a fist shaker. There

00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.260
was actually a lot of stuff said very personal

00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:41.619
and very detailed. It was thought of very carefully.

00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.800
I'm pretty sure Courtney Love probably said a

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.800
few things, too. She's that kind of person. Yeah,

00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:53.460
but she probably said, Hey, Axel. And that comment

00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:54.940
about not being able to play her instruments,

00:37:55.059 --> 00:37:57.440
that was mostly directed at Courtney Love. Yes.

00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:03.579
I mean, she has some skill, but, man, if you've

00:38:03.579 --> 00:38:05.500
ever heard the actual tape where they didn't

00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:09.039
mute her guitar and she's playing live, it's

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.940
horrid. Oh, my God. Even on their albums, you

00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:15.940
can hear her off -key horribly. And that's the

00:38:15.940 --> 00:38:17.460
best they could get out of her. That's the best

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:20.019
they could get out of her. You know, they hide

00:38:20.019 --> 00:38:24.369
it with raw. Untouched. No, we know bad. Emotional.

00:38:24.429 --> 00:38:29.110
We know bad. You know. Yeah. All right. Did you

00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:31.329
know that Carlos Santana picked a fight with

00:38:31.329 --> 00:38:34.929
Gene Simmons? Oh, my God. How would they have

00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:38.389
any crossover whatsoever? I found this very odd.

00:38:38.409 --> 00:38:42.250
I knew nothing about it either. Yeah. So, I consider

00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:45.809
this a gem. Yeah. Because I don't think I'd ever

00:38:45.809 --> 00:38:50.179
heard of that of you. No. Not once. So. get off

00:38:50.179 --> 00:38:53.039
the stage the the time carlos picked that fight

00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.000
with kiss gene simmons bassist and caused one

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.920
of the guitarists world's strangest feuds so

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.079
i guess it must be strange i never heard anything

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.219
about it so no feud in the history of rock is

00:39:07.219 --> 00:39:09.500
stranger than the one between celebrated spiritually

00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:12.920
driven electric guitar player and makeup clad

00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.300
bass guitar player who wears seven inch platform

00:39:16.300 --> 00:39:19.800
boots It's kind of alluding to what the problem

00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.079
is. Yeah. Yes, we're talking about Carlos Santana

00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.739
and Gene Simmons. Carlos was in a much less positive

00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:30.480
frame of mind in 2005 when it came to Kiss, and

00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.199
in particular, Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons is

00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.340
a good basis. I don't know why people dog on

00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.239
him all the time. Look, I think the guy's an

00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.760
asshole. Yes. I think he speaks out a term constantly.

00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.599
Certainly, the character he plays on stage and...

00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.820
as his bass player persona and on his reality

00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:55.679
shows, it's an image of... Arrogance. Arrogance,

00:39:55.699 --> 00:40:02.239
misogyny. Which he stopped. Yeah, I mean, whatever...

00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.340
He had to. It may have been somewhat true, or

00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:09.440
I'm sure he played it up for his public appearances.

00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:13.500
Just like the gay rumors. So I'm sure that...

00:40:13.849 --> 00:40:16.650
And attacking him as a bad bass player was just

00:40:16.650 --> 00:40:18.889
part of the hate that was piled on him at the

00:40:18.889 --> 00:40:21.789
time. Yeah. But no, he was a good player. I can

00:40:21.789 --> 00:40:24.369
point it out in one bass lick. I Was Made for

00:40:24.369 --> 00:40:27.929
Loving You. Oh, yeah. That is one hell of a bass

00:40:27.929 --> 00:40:30.110
lick. That is. To get that rhythm down constant

00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:32.329
like that, he plays it in concert like that.

00:40:32.849 --> 00:40:35.010
It's really good. Yeah. I don't think a lot of

00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:36.489
basses can do that. They don't have that type

00:40:36.489 --> 00:40:39.949
of timing. and also talent in their fingers.

00:40:40.110 --> 00:40:42.349
Yeah, and then sing at the same time, dance around

00:40:42.349 --> 00:40:46.150
on 7 -inch platform shoes, spit blood. You always

00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:48.750
hear about what a horrible musician he is. I

00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:51.369
disagree. Now, you could say that about his singing,

00:40:51.449 --> 00:40:54.030
maybe. He's not a great singer, but he does an

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.030
okay job. He does an okay job. You could say

00:40:56.030 --> 00:40:57.570
that about his singing, and I'd be like, okay,

00:40:57.590 --> 00:41:00.190
I kind of get it. But his bass playing, no. I

00:41:00.190 --> 00:41:02.269
think he's fine. But anyhow, yes, we're talking

00:41:02.269 --> 00:41:04.110
about Carlos Santana and Gene Simmons. Carlos

00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.070
was in a much less positive frame of mind in

00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:09.369
2005. When it came to Kiss in particular, he's

00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:11.650
not a musician, he's an entertainer, the guitarist

00:41:11.650 --> 00:41:14.889
declared. A musician is Coltrane, Bob Marley.

00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:18.989
Kiss is Las Vegas entertainment. So he wouldn't

00:41:18.989 --> 00:41:21.650
know what music is anyway. And that's why he

00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:25.469
wears all that garb. Wow. I can't believe that

00:41:25.469 --> 00:41:28.130
Santana said this. What does he care? You know,

00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:32.230
when I was much, much younger, I had that same

00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:34.389
feeling of, well, if they have to... dress up

00:41:34.389 --> 00:41:36.429
and put all the splash and show on, then there

00:41:36.429 --> 00:41:39.889
must not be much to the music. Totally wrong.

00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:43.670
It has nothing to do with it. It's sure your

00:41:43.670 --> 00:41:47.110
kiss is an entertainer, so is Carlos Santana.

00:41:47.250 --> 00:41:49.369
If he's not an entertainer, then quit charging

00:41:49.369 --> 00:41:51.369
people to hear your music or buy your albums.

00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:53.690
Exactly. If you're a musician, then just go perform

00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:57.710
music. If you're charging money, you're an entertainer.

00:41:57.949 --> 00:42:01.949
I've got a great example. Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah?

00:42:03.309 --> 00:42:06.309
If people went by talent, Dio would have won

00:42:06.309 --> 00:42:10.289
out crazy on everything. Dio's the guy. Oh, yeah,

00:42:10.309 --> 00:42:12.809
yeah. Ozzy's a clown. And nobody would have ever

00:42:12.809 --> 00:42:15.170
paid attention to Neil Young because dude cannot

00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:19.010
sing. No, he can't. Neither can Bob Dylan. People

00:42:19.010 --> 00:42:21.489
love Bob Dylan and they love his music, love

00:42:21.489 --> 00:42:24.010
his songs. Dude couldn't sing very well. No.

00:42:24.070 --> 00:42:26.250
And his voice is obnoxious and irritating to

00:42:26.250 --> 00:42:30.170
a lot of people. To me, it is. Yeah. Okay, Simmons

00:42:30.170 --> 00:42:32.349
hides his talent beneath costumes and makeup.

00:42:32.530 --> 00:42:36.030
A musician doesn't need a mask or mascara. There's

00:42:36.030 --> 00:42:38.230
a difference between an entertainer and a musician.

00:42:38.449 --> 00:42:40.730
Even so, it wasn't an unusual statement coming

00:42:40.730 --> 00:42:43.110
from a guitarist, better known for his messages

00:42:43.110 --> 00:42:45.949
of love and peace. Santana must really hate Alice

00:42:45.949 --> 00:42:47.909
Cooper and... Yeah, that's what I was thinking,

00:42:47.929 --> 00:42:51.429
too. And all those guys. Ghost and... Was that

00:42:51.429 --> 00:42:54.110
Thunder? It sounded like it. It sounded like

00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:55.550
it. It looks like it's raining way over there.

00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:58.090
Oh, it does? All right, cool. Oh, we're on a

00:42:58.090 --> 00:43:01.269
metal table. Yay. With a metal roof over our

00:43:01.269 --> 00:43:04.449
heads. Hey, if we suddenly shut up, and you hear

00:43:04.449 --> 00:43:08.130
what can happen, I hope this gets released. Yes.

00:43:09.110 --> 00:43:10.750
It won't. No one will do it. They'll be like,

00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:13.829
I'm not touching that. No, no. What is that?

00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:17.789
No, no. Get the biohazard label. Get the sledgehammer.

00:43:18.489 --> 00:43:21.349
All right. Simmons' response was surprisingly

00:43:21.349 --> 00:43:24.409
diplomatic. He said, not everybody likes the

00:43:24.409 --> 00:43:29.289
same meal. Yeah? You know, he's entirely right

00:43:29.289 --> 00:43:32.070
on that. Besides, the bassist couldn't entirely

00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:36.170
object to what Santana said. It is getting ready

00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:37.829
to rain. Feel that wind coming in from the east

00:43:37.829 --> 00:43:39.730
suddenly? Yeah, yeah. I think we can hear it

00:43:39.730 --> 00:43:43.670
through the mic. Something's brewing. It's all

00:43:43.670 --> 00:43:46.070
right. We'll be all right. Okay. Well, anyhow,

00:43:46.329 --> 00:43:48.750
he admitted that from the start. Kiss aimed to

00:43:48.750 --> 00:43:50.710
bring a more entertaining element to music and

00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:53.599
especially stage performance. It was something

00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.039
he and Kiss co -founder Paul Stanley felt was

00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.719
sorely missing from American rock and roll, but

00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.519
not from the British acts that the two musicians

00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.019
so deeply loved and admired. And I agree. They

00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:09.119
brought back something that hadn't been there

00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:15.380
in a long time. So, and also, that is so correct.

00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.000
You know, you can play however you want. The

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.449
Ramones, people love them. Yeah. Okay? So you

00:44:22.449 --> 00:44:24.369
can play however you want. That's not the thing.

00:44:24.789 --> 00:44:26.929
Their image is another thing, and their image

00:44:26.929 --> 00:44:29.409
sold a hell of a lot of albums. It did. If you

00:44:29.409 --> 00:44:31.130
had Kiss without any makeup, you wouldn't have

00:44:31.130 --> 00:44:34.769
had a successful band. No, and that's a perfectly

00:44:34.769 --> 00:44:38.530
valid thing to use in order to sell. And seriously,

00:44:38.710 --> 00:44:41.329
if Carlos Santana wants to make the distinction

00:44:41.329 --> 00:44:45.949
between musician and entertainer, not only should

00:44:45.949 --> 00:44:48.110
Carlos quit charging people, he should quit using

00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:50.690
a light show. I agree. He should quit having

00:44:50.690 --> 00:44:53.969
choreographed movements on stage. He should quit

00:44:53.969 --> 00:44:56.949
arranging the musicians on stage to be pleasing

00:44:56.949 --> 00:44:58.949
to the audience because it has nothing to do

00:44:58.949 --> 00:45:03.250
with the music. I agree. He is being an entertainer.

00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:08.730
What he's objecting to is the level at which

00:45:08.730 --> 00:45:13.230
Kiss took it to. And I think Gene Simmons was

00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:16.510
brilliant to point out very nicely and politely,

00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:19.030
he's like, Okay, that's his opinion, and I've

00:45:19.030 --> 00:45:22.070
heard it, and I understand. And basically, he's

00:45:22.070 --> 00:45:24.090
like, that's one person's opinion, and I'm going

00:45:24.090 --> 00:45:26.369
to take it as one person's opinion. I don't care

00:45:26.369 --> 00:45:29.750
if it's Carlos Santana or Fred the Laundry Guy.

00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:32.190
It was actually the best answer you could give.

00:45:32.289 --> 00:45:34.530
I know. It was perfect. Look, I love that stuff.

00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:37.550
I always have. I love Ozzy, Alice Cooper, all

00:45:37.550 --> 00:45:41.130
of the big shows I've always loved because not

00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:44.059
only did I like music. But I liked entertainment.

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.800
Did Carlos Santana hate Pink Floyd? Because they

00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.519
put on a hell of a light show. I think we're

00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.940
going to get some rain, don't you? I think it's

00:45:50.940 --> 00:45:53.619
coming in. All right. Okay. Well, there goes

00:45:53.619 --> 00:45:57.519
my lawn. Yeah. All right. So the thing that we

00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.719
liked was English music. Simmons told Rick's

00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.320
Rubin Telegram Nation podcast, The Kinks and

00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.099
the Stones. American bands just weren't writing

00:46:06.099 --> 00:46:08.559
that kind of music, and the American bands didn't

00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.150
look that way. I agree. Especially Jimmy Page

00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:15.190
and Zeppelin. The guitar was worn way down on

00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:18.590
the crotch. He was right. They'd hit a chord

00:46:18.590 --> 00:46:21.050
for no reason whatsoever. That's what I went

00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:24.190
into last one about how Jimmy Page, one of his

00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:26.309
best solos on, Trampled Underfoot, I think it

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:28.349
was. It sounds like he just threw his guitar

00:46:28.349 --> 00:46:30.829
on the ground. Yeah. And it sounds great. It

00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:33.510
went into exactly what they're doing. And for

00:46:33.510 --> 00:46:36.409
whatever reason... his hand would swing up in

00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:38.769
the air, which he did. I love the way he describes

00:46:38.769 --> 00:46:40.610
this because I know what he's talking about.

00:46:40.789 --> 00:46:43.469
And a lot of guys would be doing the Jesus Christ

00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:46.469
pose. Yeah. It's true. American bands didn't

00:46:46.469 --> 00:46:49.949
do that. They were more theatrical, and British

00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:53.130
rock was more theatrical and grand, and it was

00:46:53.130 --> 00:46:55.690
glamorous. And that's the end of that article.

00:46:56.500 --> 00:46:59.679
And I remember Alice Cooper saying that he looked

00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.679
at the rolling, he looked at the Beatles and

00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:04.039
thought, wow, what power. And then he saw the

00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:05.940
rolling stones and he thought, wow, they make

00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:08.639
the Beatles look like school children. Yeah.

00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:10.880
And he came up with the idea, so I bet I can

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.519
come up with something that makes the stones

00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.449
look pretty wimpy. Yes, and that's what a lot

00:47:15.449 --> 00:47:18.050
of this came from. It's like, oh, you think you're

00:47:18.050 --> 00:47:21.409
shocking? Well, watch this. Alice started with

00:47:21.409 --> 00:47:25.530
the theatrics and the stage show. He was an art

00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:29.050
major. He went to college as an art major, not

00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:33.730
as a vocalist. And the music was his method of

00:47:33.730 --> 00:47:37.650
getting that stage show out. And who cares? It

00:47:37.650 --> 00:47:42.320
works. And considering that Santana... opened

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.760
his mouth the other day about uh oh genders yeah

00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.000
i'm glad you said stepped his foot in that it's

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.119
like okay there's a lot of people agree with

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.719
you there's a lot of people don't agree with

00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.400
you but pretty much everyone agrees that saying

00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.360
something out loud was stupid because it did

00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.619
no good whatsoever to his career he's trying

00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:01.980
to be polarizing but the problem is is it was

00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.460
yeah And Alice Cooper did that, too, basically

00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.760
on the same lines of, you know, there should

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.219
just be boys and girls and nothing in between

00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:13.480
and quit confusing the kids. And Alice got slapped

00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.280
down hard, and he learned his lesson. He never

00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.019
went there again? No, he's quit speaking out

00:48:18.019 --> 00:48:20.420
like that in public. Yeah. You know, if you want

00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:22.500
to talk to him about golf or God or rock and

00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.400
roll, he's all over that. Yeah, he's all over

00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:25.960
it. He's a born -again Christian, by the way.

00:48:26.019 --> 00:48:30.360
Yes. Okay, do you have something to go into?

00:48:31.210 --> 00:48:32.969
Yeah, I wanted to make a correction for the last

00:48:32.969 --> 00:48:35.010
Music Creeps. I finally figured out who Alice

00:48:35.010 --> 00:48:37.789
Cooper's lead guitarist is. Oh, who is it? It's

00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:41.469
a guy. I thought it was a girl because I just

00:48:41.469 --> 00:48:45.289
got one blurry image. He has long blonde hair

00:48:45.289 --> 00:48:48.230
and wears a lot of makeup and acts kind of effeminate.

00:48:48.409 --> 00:48:50.630
I don't know if that's who he is or if it's a

00:48:50.630 --> 00:48:52.030
gimmick or whatever. That's a long ways away

00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:56.429
from Kane Roberts. Yeah. But anyway, since I

00:48:56.429 --> 00:48:58.750
misgendered him, I expect libtards to come and

00:48:58.750 --> 00:49:02.619
burn my house down. But his name is Jossie Hughes.

00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.699
Jossie is spelled G -Y -A -S -I. And his last

00:49:07.699 --> 00:49:12.239
name is spelled H -E -U -S, which I'm presuming

00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.119
is Hughes, which is kind of the European slash

00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.679
German way of pronouncing it, or Scandinavian,

00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.880
et cetera. He looks like he's probably from Norway

00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:23.940
or something. He's tall and skinny and blonde

00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:27.699
and very pale. But apparently he's this awesome

00:49:27.699 --> 00:49:30.320
lead guitarist, and that's who they tapped. for

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.619
this album called The Revenge of Alice Cooper.

00:49:33.460 --> 00:49:37.960
Okay. Okay, cool. I mean, I don't know who he

00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.500
is, but I know he's going to be talented. There

00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:43.039
are actually some music videos out there of him

00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.679
performing with a different band. So I'm going

00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.199
to go check a few of those out. Yeah, I will

00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.219
too. The Kane Roberts stuff, I don't know. I

00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.699
mean, I don't know where that came from because

00:49:51.699 --> 00:49:55.300
I can't find that article. Yeah, I saw it a while

00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:58.380
back. like you and then it disappeared. The last

00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:03.039
thing I saw was that Orianthe either is or isn't

00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.780
playing some dates with Alice due to scheduling

00:50:05.780 --> 00:50:08.679
conflicts or maybe it was Nina Strauss' conflicts.

00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.860
Nina Strauss is doing her own thing and she just

00:50:11.860 --> 00:50:14.429
got married. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Orianthe

00:50:14.429 --> 00:50:16.389
was going to fill in. Then she had a conflict

00:50:16.389 --> 00:50:18.730
and Kane Roberts filled in. Yeah, that was it.

00:50:18.750 --> 00:50:21.150
And now I think Kane Roberts is going out again

00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:23.170
and somebody else is filling in. And I think

00:50:23.170 --> 00:50:25.670
people speculated that he was going to be on

00:50:25.670 --> 00:50:27.949
the album when all he was doing was like Orianthe

00:50:27.949 --> 00:50:30.769
and Anita Strauss filling the role. Yeah, yeah.

00:50:30.909 --> 00:50:36.710
The touring musician. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay, you

00:50:36.710 --> 00:50:39.550
got anything more? That was pretty much all I

00:50:39.550 --> 00:50:40.849
can think of off the top of my head. Okay, I've

00:50:40.849 --> 00:50:42.349
got more. I'm prepared this time. Excellent.

00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:47.119
All right. Rumors keep swirling about a reunion

00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.880
of Deep Purple for one final show. Wow. And there's

00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.440
a reunion. It's everybody from the MK1. Well,

00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:58.360
no, no, MK2. MK1 was with Mike Evans, the original

00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:04.480
lead singer. Talk about Ian Gillen, Pace, Glover,

00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:10.969
Blackmore. John Lord passed away. Yeah. So I

00:51:10.969 --> 00:51:13.670
think it's Sinclair. Is it Sinclair? No, Don

00:51:13.670 --> 00:51:18.050
Airy. Yeah. Don Airy. Okay, so all this put together

00:51:18.050 --> 00:51:22.090
would be the surviving members plus a guy that's

00:51:22.090 --> 00:51:24.010
been with the band for a long time because John

00:51:24.010 --> 00:51:27.889
Ward passed away. Yeah. So rumors have been hot

00:51:27.889 --> 00:51:31.170
and heavy again of this alleged reunion because

00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:33.769
Richie Blackmore said, and this is from like

00:51:33.769 --> 00:51:37.150
three years ago he said this, he said, I would

00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:40.889
be open to a reunion. I think this was combined

00:51:40.889 --> 00:51:44.269
with them doing their long, slow goodbye tour,

00:51:44.369 --> 00:51:47.170
and the dates are starting to slow down, and

00:51:47.170 --> 00:51:48.789
they're starting to come few and far between,

00:51:49.030 --> 00:51:50.809
and they're done with Europe, and now they're

00:51:50.809 --> 00:51:54.829
coming back to the U .S. for a few shows, and

00:51:54.829 --> 00:51:57.329
it looks to be like the end of the long, slow.

00:51:57.469 --> 00:52:01.489
I mean, Ian Gillen is almost 83. Yeah, it's amazing.

00:52:01.710 --> 00:52:05.869
Yeah. I'm thinking that they're going to be wrapping

00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:08.010
it up, and they know this. I mean, how about

00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:10.150
Ian Pace still drumming like he does? Oh, this

00:52:10.150 --> 00:52:12.849
guy's a monster. Yeah, something else. And, you

00:52:12.849 --> 00:52:14.190
know, that's pretty smart. If it's going to be

00:52:14.190 --> 00:52:16.750
your last tour last time, why work yourselves

00:52:16.750 --> 00:52:19.489
to death? Slow down and enjoy it. It'll be something

00:52:19.489 --> 00:52:21.929
you can look back on as like, oh, man, that last

00:52:21.929 --> 00:52:24.329
three months was awesome because we took our

00:52:24.329 --> 00:52:27.829
time, we rested, we relaxed. I mean, at this

00:52:27.829 --> 00:52:29.849
point, who cares if you make money or not? Just

00:52:29.849 --> 00:52:33.550
enjoy the experience. Yeah, yeah. And I think

00:52:33.550 --> 00:52:35.349
that that's what's going on. I think that's what

00:52:35.349 --> 00:52:37.429
fueled this again because I can find no supporting

00:52:37.429 --> 00:52:40.190
evidence except three years ago when he said,

00:52:40.210 --> 00:52:43.630
I would be open to doing a finale show with all

00:52:43.630 --> 00:52:46.449
the guys. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it seems like Blackmore

00:52:46.449 --> 00:52:50.650
is making a lot of effort to mend fences, rebuild

00:52:50.650 --> 00:52:52.670
bridges, whatever metaphor you want to use. He's

00:52:52.670 --> 00:52:54.869
getting older. He had a heart attack. Yeah. That

00:52:54.869 --> 00:52:58.590
happens. People start, you know, when I'm older,

00:52:58.750 --> 00:53:01.199
that guy that almost killed us. I'd probably

00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.500
just shake it off and go, oh, fuck, that guy's

00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:05.219
a stupid ass. But right now I'm a little bit

00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:08.239
younger. I've got a little piss and finger left

00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.139
in me. I want to beat his ass. So there's a difference

00:53:11.139 --> 00:53:13.139
right there. He's looking at his life. He's 80

00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:17.039
-something. And he knows that his shadow is longer

00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.000
than his days ahead of him. And that's just life.

00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.340
That's the way it is. I've heard some other musicians

00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:28.380
who were real divas in their heyday. And they're

00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:30.579
different now. And now they can't get anybody

00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:33.239
to work with them, and they just can't make any

00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.539
money in music because everyone's sick of them.

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.340
One guy that comes to mind is a Canadian singer

00:53:39.340 --> 00:53:41.800
-songwriter named, not Canadian, I'm going to

00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.239
say Brian Adams is Canadian. This is Ryan Adams.

00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.500
Brian Adams, yeah. He was kind of at the forefront

00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:51.469
of the alt -country movement. The y 'all -ternative.

00:53:51.710 --> 00:53:54.530
Yeah, y 'all -ternative stuff, yeah. He was in

00:53:54.530 --> 00:53:56.409
a band called Whiskey Town. He was in a band

00:53:56.409 --> 00:53:58.570
called The Cardinals. And he also released stuff

00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:01.750
solo. But he had this reputation of being so

00:54:01.750 --> 00:54:04.110
difficult to work with and such a pain in the

00:54:04.110 --> 00:54:08.510
ass and just mean and insulting. And eventually

00:54:08.510 --> 00:54:10.949
everyone just gave up on him. And a couple years

00:54:10.949 --> 00:54:14.110
ago, I think it was right before COVID, he was

00:54:14.110 --> 00:54:17.150
like, I'm out of money. I'm out of work. No one

00:54:17.150 --> 00:54:19.130
will return my calls. He put out this public.

00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.599
message in like a new york magazine or newspaper

00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.679
said i i need work i'm willing to work with anybody

00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.239
please you know my attitude is different i'm

00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.320
not the guy i used to be i would really like

00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.880
to get some work and work in music again i haven't

00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.000
heard anything from him i think people just ignored

00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.079
him he was more than difficult from what i read

00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.710
yeah he was hateful yeah um accusative All this

00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:46.269
stuff that you cannot stand in a person. He'd

00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:49.269
go out of his way to hurt you. Not just to get

00:54:49.269 --> 00:54:51.849
his way, but to actually beat you down and hurt

00:54:51.849 --> 00:54:54.309
you while he was doing it. And I would say by

00:54:54.309 --> 00:54:56.510
all that, he doesn't mean what he's saying. He

00:54:56.510 --> 00:54:58.630
just wants money. Yeah, could be. He doesn't

00:54:58.630 --> 00:55:00.710
want to go fucking wash dishes or whatever. Yeah.

00:55:01.449 --> 00:55:03.269
Number one, he was going to have to give up the

00:55:03.269 --> 00:55:05.030
booze because he was a mean drunk. He was a mean

00:55:05.030 --> 00:55:06.510
drunk, yeah. And number two, he's going to have

00:55:06.510 --> 00:55:10.699
to show that he's gone through a lot of... counseling

00:55:10.699 --> 00:55:14.880
and therapy, etc., to control himself. It's okay

00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.800
to think those things in your head if you want

00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.019
to, but control yourself. So, okay, anyhow, Deep

00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:25.940
Purple, all of the remaining members of Deep

00:55:25.940 --> 00:55:28.340
Purple, except the guitarist, and I forgot his

00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:30.239
name, because he has no skin in the game. He

00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.099
replaced Blackmore after the guy that replaced

00:55:33.099 --> 00:55:35.340
Blackmore. The only one I can think of is Steve

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:37.219
Morse. No, there's another guy after Steve Morse.

00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:39.309
Yeah, he wasn't with... deeper hole that long.

00:55:39.550 --> 00:55:41.389
And I don't know if Steve Morris is coming back

00:55:41.389 --> 00:55:45.989
or not. But anyhow, the guy that replaced Steve

00:55:45.989 --> 00:55:48.989
Morris, the replacement for Blackmore, is in

00:55:48.989 --> 00:55:50.530
there. He has no skin in the game. But all the

00:55:50.530 --> 00:55:54.010
rest of them said, no, we're not open to it.

00:55:54.030 --> 00:55:56.429
We don't want to do it. We don't like what he

00:55:56.429 --> 00:55:59.329
did. And I guess he had a lot of blow -ups and

00:55:59.329 --> 00:56:01.210
scream -outs and stuff, and they don't want anything

00:56:01.210 --> 00:56:03.750
to do with him. And they have that right. He

00:56:03.750 --> 00:56:06.449
obviously had some issues or something with them.

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.539
So, okay. Yeah, I can get that. There's people

00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:11.699
I don't want to reunite with no matter what the

00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:14.519
upside is. It's like, nah. Same here. It's peaceful

00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.079
right here where I am. I ain't letting them back

00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.179
in. I have people and part of my life that I

00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:23.940
just assume not exist. Yeah. I don't think about

00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:25.880
them. I don't want to think about them. And I'm

00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.500
a much happier person without them. Yeah. So.

00:56:28.699 --> 00:56:32.019
I get that. I definitely get that. That being

00:56:32.019 --> 00:56:35.199
said, there's a double -sided coin. Okay. They

00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:41.420
already said no way. Glenn Hughes was MK4, something

00:56:41.420 --> 00:56:43.500
like that, lined up at Deep Purple. He was with

00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:46.599
David Coverdell, and they filled in or replaced

00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:52.380
Ian Gillen and Roger Glover. Yeah. Okay. They

00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:54.320
did very well. They did some good albums like

00:56:54.320 --> 00:57:03.280
Stormbringer and Burn. So they did relatively,

00:57:03.460 --> 00:57:05.440
they had a pretty successful run with them. It's

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.820
still a really good band. Yeah, definitely. I'm

00:57:08.820 --> 00:57:10.820
leaning back too much. I'm sorry. Oh, no, that's

00:57:10.820 --> 00:57:14.139
fine. So Rainbow was a band that Richie Blackmore

00:57:14.139 --> 00:57:16.739
formed after Leaving Deep Purple. Yeah. And it

00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:19.239
was very successful, too. Yeah, it's weird. It

00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.300
got poppy kind of for a while, didn't it? Yeah,

00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.059
it did. Since you've been gone, there's a real

00:57:23.059 --> 00:57:27.179
pop tune. Well, when he came from Dio and all

00:57:27.179 --> 00:57:31.480
the mystical and all that, like... Oh, 20th century

00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.320
green sleeves. Yeah. Hail to the King. All this

00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.699
stuff is about medieval lore and all that stuff.

00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.400
And they had Dio singing in it, of course. So

00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:44.179
it went from like power, almost metal, to crotch

00:57:44.179 --> 00:57:47.760
rock. Yeah. Yeah. And then Joe Lynn Turner came

00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.280
aboard, and they became more American -friendly

00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.179
airwaves. They hit really big in America when

00:57:53.179 --> 00:57:56.159
before Rainbow did not hit that. It was not that

00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.869
well received in America. Yeah. So. They did

00:57:59.869 --> 00:58:01.949
a rainbow reunion, Richie Blackmore wanted to,

00:58:02.010 --> 00:58:05.289
for a few shows and a couple of songs. He did

00:58:05.289 --> 00:58:08.710
a couple of songs. This is before COVID. Oh,

00:58:08.710 --> 00:58:11.309
yeah. Maybe 2018, something like that, in that

00:58:11.309 --> 00:58:15.409
time frame. And Glenn Hughes said, when he was

00:58:15.409 --> 00:58:17.329
talked about this and said, would you have any

00:58:17.329 --> 00:58:19.949
interest in doing this with Blackmore or anybody?

00:58:20.230 --> 00:58:22.389
And he goes, well, he goes, all I can tell you

00:58:22.389 --> 00:58:26.730
is this. Back when Blackmore, a few years ago,

00:58:27.989 --> 00:58:30.730
Reignited Rainbow for a couple of songs and a

00:58:30.730 --> 00:58:34.269
slight tour. And they're all in England, by the

00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:36.869
way. Every show was in England. He hired a new

00:58:36.869 --> 00:58:40.809
guy named Ronnie Romero. And Joe Lynn Turner

00:58:40.809 --> 00:58:43.389
wanted to be a part of it. He said no. He actually

00:58:43.389 --> 00:58:46.389
contacted Glenn Hughes first. And he said, would

00:58:46.389 --> 00:58:48.630
you want to be a part of this? Glenn Hughes said,

00:58:48.710 --> 00:58:51.309
yeah, you know, I wouldn't mind doing that. And

00:58:51.309 --> 00:58:54.550
he never got back to him. So Glenn Hughes is

00:58:54.550 --> 00:58:58.440
merely stating. Just because Blackmore says he

00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:02.420
wants to doesn't mean he's going to. That's true.

00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.400
He's like testing the waters. Yeah, yeah. And

00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.239
then he wants to back out maybe and go, I don't

00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.099
want to do it. So maybe like a final get back

00:59:12.099 --> 00:59:14.099
or whatever, whatever their problems were or

00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:17.179
something, or just being him, being fickle. You

00:59:17.179 --> 00:59:18.980
know, wind's out of the west. I can't do that

00:59:18.980 --> 00:59:22.559
now. I was looking for a hair tie. Oh, no, no.

00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:24.460
That's what I thought was really interesting

00:59:24.460 --> 00:59:27.239
was the fact that. Everyone was blaming Deep

00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.820
Purple. Yeah. Saying, we don't want anything

00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:31.960
to do with this. You know, quite frankly, we

00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.460
don't like the guy. Yeah. Okay? I get it. And

00:59:34.460 --> 00:59:37.179
people are going, well, do it for the fans. They're

00:59:37.179 --> 00:59:39.420
like, no, I don't think so. And then that's when

00:59:39.420 --> 00:59:41.320
Glenn Hughes, when he was asked about it, he

00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.800
said, well, he goes, my experience was this.

00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.320
He told me to come on over and then slam the

00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:49.440
door. You know? You know, it's funny you said

00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.280
do it for the fans. It was Roger Daltrey who

00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.599
was in the news again for... yelling at somebody

00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.019
in the audience. Oh, yeah. But it turns out it

00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:59.960
was all just kind of a joking thing. Oh, was

00:59:59.960 --> 01:00:01.739
it? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Because The

01:00:01.739 --> 01:00:04.000
Who was recently in the news when they fired

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.440
and then rehired the drummer. Oh, yeah. And said,

01:00:06.579 --> 01:00:09.599
oh, that was all a mistake. But this was one

01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.320
where Daltrey was, it was like between songs

01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.519
and a woman in the audience was yelling, play

01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.000
pinball wizard, play pinball wizard. And he's

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.300
like, you don't get it. I'm like the worst pinball

01:00:20.300 --> 01:00:22.929
player ever. trying to make a joke about that.

01:00:23.090 --> 01:00:24.909
And then she kept heckling him to play Pinball

01:00:24.909 --> 01:00:27.269
Wizard. And then he grinned real big and said,

01:00:27.389 --> 01:00:29.389
I really like it if you just shut the fuck up

01:00:29.389 --> 01:00:31.690
about Pinball Wizard. I ain't playing it. And

01:00:31.690 --> 01:00:34.630
it got a big laugh. And then he said, seriously,

01:00:34.869 --> 01:00:38.449
I can't sing that way anymore and I just can't

01:00:38.449 --> 01:00:42.369
do it. So we're not playing it. That was a power

01:00:42.369 --> 01:00:45.909
vocal. Yeah, yeah. It's funny how he said he

01:00:45.909 --> 01:00:48.090
was becoming Tommy because he's going deaf and

01:00:48.090 --> 01:00:50.969
blind. Yeah, yeah. And now we find out he can't

01:00:50.969 --> 01:00:53.809
play pinball. No, no. All right. Anyhow, go ahead.

01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:56.630
I'm sorry. No, but so he went on. I think she

01:00:56.630 --> 01:00:59.050
yelled a couple more times, but he just kind

01:00:59.050 --> 01:01:01.849
of let it go. But the headline made it seem like

01:01:01.849 --> 01:01:04.690
he went off on somebody and was cussing her out.

01:01:04.789 --> 01:01:06.389
But then you read the article, and it was just

01:01:06.389 --> 01:01:09.820
like. No big deal. That woman probably went home

01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:11.860
and told all of her friends about her great experience

01:01:11.860 --> 01:01:14.820
at the Who concert. It's kind of like Play Some

01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:18.639
Skinner. A lot of bands laugh. Some bands do

01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:20.320
it. They'll do a couple of licks and go, there

01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:24.780
you go. I saw a band that they had this troll

01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:26.519
that was following them from the state of the

01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.579
city and yelling, Play Some Skinner, dude. Yeah,

01:01:28.579 --> 01:01:30.579
that guy has a name, and I can't think of his

01:01:30.579 --> 01:01:34.719
name. Anyhow, he was famous for going, Free Bird!

01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:39.269
Yeah. So this band, they said, what was it, play

01:01:39.269 --> 01:01:40.989
some Skinner? And he's like, yeah, play some

01:01:40.989 --> 01:01:44.130
Skinner, man. And so they all got together and

01:01:44.130 --> 01:01:46.389
talked for a minute or so, and the audience was

01:01:46.389 --> 01:01:48.750
getting restless. And they said, okay, because

01:01:48.750 --> 01:01:50.750
that guy wants to hear some Skinner, we're going

01:01:50.750 --> 01:01:52.869
to try to learn one real quick, so just bear

01:01:52.869 --> 01:01:55.590
with us. And they sat there and they wasted the

01:01:55.590 --> 01:01:57.690
audience's time for about three or four or five

01:01:57.690 --> 01:02:01.409
minutes. And every time that he gets them booing

01:02:01.409 --> 01:02:03.030
and heckling, they say, oh, no, don't worry,

01:02:03.090 --> 01:02:05.329
because that guy back there, he wanted us to

01:02:05.329 --> 01:02:07.510
hear some Skinner. So we're going to, for that

01:02:07.510 --> 01:02:09.429
guy right back. And they kept pointing him out.

01:02:09.550 --> 01:02:11.949
Eventually, the crowd turned on the guy and ran

01:02:11.949 --> 01:02:15.889
him out. And they never had to worry about him

01:02:15.889 --> 01:02:18.309
in another concert again. That is fucking brilliant.

01:02:18.329 --> 01:02:20.150
Isn't it? It's like, hang on, hang on, guys.

01:02:20.349 --> 01:02:23.420
This guy. Who we don't know. He's in charge.

01:02:23.739 --> 01:02:27.199
Yeah, so hang on. You guys just shut up. Let's

01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:30.039
learn the Skynyrd song. Now, did you say, is

01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:31.880
that an open chord? What is that you're doing

01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:33.659
there? Yeah, you could hear it was like, is that

01:02:33.659 --> 01:02:37.079
an A? It goes from the A to the C. It was so

01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.280
fun. They got YouTube out. They're going, okay,

01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.519
now this guy here is saying we got to do this.

01:02:43.099 --> 01:02:48.889
I love it. Yeah. All right, so that one's put

01:02:48.889 --> 01:02:51.190
to bed. Deep Purple reunion, not going to happen.

01:02:51.329 --> 01:02:53.469
You want to see them, see them now is what I'm

01:02:53.469 --> 01:02:56.530
saying. I saw them two times on their final drive

01:02:56.530 --> 01:02:59.110
that came near me. You were with me on one of

01:02:59.110 --> 01:03:01.090
them. Yeah, in St. Louis, yeah. And I thought

01:03:01.090 --> 01:03:02.969
that was a pretty fine concert. Yeah, I really

01:03:02.969 --> 01:03:07.369
enjoyed that. And Alice Cooper opened up, did

01:03:07.369 --> 01:03:09.170
a very good job like he always does. It's the

01:03:09.170 --> 01:03:12.050
same show, but we love it. Yeah, yeah. He's pretty

01:03:12.050 --> 01:03:14.210
much got the same set list, and he works in a

01:03:14.210 --> 01:03:16.170
few new ones here and there. Yeah, you've got

01:03:16.170 --> 01:03:19.070
the guillotine, you've got the hooker that he

01:03:19.070 --> 01:03:21.489
stabs at, all this stuff. The monsters. The monsters,

01:03:21.510 --> 01:03:23.989
all that. Yeah, he's publicly stated. It's like

01:03:23.989 --> 01:03:27.289
the audience wants the old stuff, so that's why

01:03:27.289 --> 01:03:28.789
I give them every single time. And that's how

01:03:28.789 --> 01:03:32.750
Cummy always finishes with I'm 18. Yep. For School's

01:03:32.750 --> 01:03:34.349
Out. For School's Out, yeah. Yeah, that's the

01:03:34.349 --> 01:03:37.309
big intro and solo song. Everyone gets a solo,

01:03:37.510 --> 01:03:39.469
everyone gets an intro on School's Out. Yeah.

01:03:40.590 --> 01:03:42.849
You and I don't really care for that. I mean,

01:03:42.869 --> 01:03:45.150
it's a good song, but we'd rather not hear it.

01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:48.309
I'm 18. He only does a little bit of in a medley.

01:03:48.449 --> 01:03:52.989
Yeah, that's right. So you and I don't want to

01:03:52.989 --> 01:03:55.090
hear it, but we're better fans than that. We

01:03:55.090 --> 01:03:58.889
don't hear it on 101 The Fox, just driving home.

01:03:59.289 --> 01:04:02.960
We actually actively look at his stuff. I've

01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.219
got a box set I think you'd be interested in.

01:04:06.380 --> 01:04:08.000
I'll bring it over one time. It's called The

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.260
Life and Crimes of Alice Cooper. Oh, I've heard

01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:13.139
of that. Oh, it is fantastic. I forgot. I was

01:04:13.139 --> 01:04:14.539
looking through my stuff the other day. I'm like,

01:04:14.619 --> 01:04:16.699
oh, shit, Topher would fucking freak out on this.

01:04:16.699 --> 01:04:18.739
I would, definitely. I'll bring it over one day.

01:04:18.860 --> 01:04:22.039
Cool. Yeah. And it has a lot of stuff on there.

01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:24.679
I'll let you borrow it if you want. It has a

01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:26.599
lot of stuff on there, unreleased and stuff like

01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.869
that. Very good box set. Yeah. It would be wrong

01:04:29.869 --> 01:04:32.110
of me to make a digital copy while I had it.

01:04:32.170 --> 01:04:34.210
Oh, no, no. I know you're not going to do that.

01:04:34.230 --> 01:04:38.090
I promise I won't do that. I knew that. That

01:04:38.090 --> 01:04:40.070
goes without saying. We don't break the law here

01:04:40.070 --> 01:04:42.610
at Music Creeps. And we always tell the truth.

01:04:42.849 --> 01:04:47.389
Yes. Ask us. Hang on. Hey, Topher. Yes. Do we

01:04:47.389 --> 01:04:49.469
always tell the truth? Yes, we do. There you

01:04:49.469 --> 01:04:57.929
go. I have some Soundgarden news. Oh, okay. Yeah.

01:04:58.789 --> 01:05:01.610
This is something that you and I fucking are

01:05:01.610 --> 01:05:03.969
very strongly about, our love for Soundgarden.

01:05:04.070 --> 01:05:06.090
Yeah. And how we know there's unreleased music

01:05:06.090 --> 01:05:08.289
out there and we want to hear it. Yeah, I've

01:05:08.289 --> 01:05:10.630
been hearing about Chris Cornell's widow and

01:05:10.630 --> 01:05:12.070
the rest of the band having discussions. Well,

01:05:12.090 --> 01:05:14.369
the same thing's going on. Vicky Cornell. Yeah,

01:05:14.429 --> 01:05:17.610
Vicky. Is fighting with the rest of Soundgarden.

01:05:18.110 --> 01:05:20.989
And I do think that there's animosity involved.

01:05:21.429 --> 01:05:24.619
Yeah. Because I've read some... whether they

01:05:24.619 --> 01:05:26.539
were true or not, I don't know, it was internet,

01:05:26.780 --> 01:05:30.019
that she alludes to Soundgarden was his downfall.

01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.539
Yeah, I remember hearing that too, and especially

01:05:32.539 --> 01:05:35.079
that last concert they went on to, she said,

01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:38.619
I knew it was a bad idea, and it wouldn't be

01:05:38.619 --> 01:05:41.159
good for him, and you probably... She was against,

01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.219
she was fit to be against that tour. Yeah, yeah.

01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.800
So that's bad blood between her and the band.

01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:49.460
Basically, she feels like the band profited off

01:05:49.460 --> 01:05:53.239
using up... her husband's life until he had nothing

01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:54.699
left. You see, they thought he was going to go

01:05:54.699 --> 01:05:58.440
longer, but he didn't. I was at the next and

01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.800
last show at Starlight Theater, and I mentioned

01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.820
you, and you brought up something very interesting.

01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:09.079
He was so happy and joyful and just having fun

01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.380
and singing his ass off. I looked him out, and

01:06:11.380 --> 01:06:14.019
I go, that guy's mid -50s. He's not going to

01:06:14.019 --> 01:06:15.559
do this all tour. There's no way. There's like

01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.679
30 fucking dates on this. There's no way he can

01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.639
do that. No humanly way possible. And I was wondering

01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:22.320
about that. I'm like, what's he going to do?

01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:25.440
He can't be doing this for the whole tour. Right

01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.480
now, we're on the early leg of it. He's still

01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.980
fresh. Yeah. And then in Detroit, right after

01:06:30.980 --> 01:06:34.019
the show, you know, he hung himself, allegedly.

01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:38.920
Yeah. And you said he was fine because he had

01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:40.900
his mind made up. Yeah. He was going to do it.

01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:44.119
He'd made a decision, and all the turmoil and

01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.920
torment and the back and forth was settled. And

01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.800
he's like, okay. Now I've made up my mind. It's

01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:54.139
settled. I can enjoy this. And that's not an

01:06:54.139 --> 01:06:57.400
uncommon sign with people. If they're struggling

01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.199
with something, once they became suddenly peaceful

01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.099
and calm, you're like, oh, okay, they've made

01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:05.320
a choice. You see, I had it completely opposite.

01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:07.760
I was like, how can a guy be that happy? He was

01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.420
relieved. Yeah. And he didn't do it in Kansas

01:07:10.420 --> 01:07:12.820
City because he grew up partially in Kansas City,

01:07:12.860 --> 01:07:17.119
which nobody knew until that night. He was talking

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.480
about the old Broadway Bridge. Yeah. And he comes

01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.380
down and he goes, I remember Kansas City well.

01:07:21.460 --> 01:07:24.159
My grandparents lived there. He said, I used

01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:25.699
to go there every summer. We'd go by that one

01:07:25.699 --> 01:07:28.480
green bridge. And everyone's like, ah, you know.

01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.679
And so he spent some time in Kansas City. And

01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.659
that's why he didn't do it here. Yeah. That's

01:07:34.659 --> 01:07:36.320
why he waited until Detroit. He had his mind

01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:38.900
made up here because he was having a blast. He

01:07:38.900 --> 01:07:41.679
brought a kid up on stage and gave him some swag

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.900
and signed him. And the kid was just ecstatic.

01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.719
And his dad was down there going, yeah, you know.

01:07:46.059 --> 01:07:48.019
And I'm like going, wow, this is fucking cool.

01:07:48.699 --> 01:07:50.780
And then, you know, the next thing I hear of

01:07:50.780 --> 01:07:53.480
Al tells me, I'm like, what? That's not fucking

01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.780
possible. He did not. That's bullshit. I kept

01:07:55.780 --> 01:08:00.199
saying fake news. Yeah. But it's not. I mean,

01:08:00.219 --> 01:08:04.739
it's a fairly common and known thing. Depressed

01:08:04.739 --> 01:08:07.960
people can get to the point where. Death isn't

01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:13.440
scary at all, but life sure is. So that's a tipping

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.520
point. Life is scarier than death. Yeah, you

01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.800
wake up in the morning and you become awake and

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.020
aware, and you're like, oh shit, I've got to

01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:24.920
struggle through another day. And then it's just

01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:28.800
so crushing. It's like, how can I make it through

01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.220
this whole other day? And the idea of actually

01:08:32.220 --> 01:08:34.720
having to exist for a whole other day until you

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.420
can sleep again. gets to be more than you can

01:08:37.420 --> 01:08:40.420
bear. You know, after he killed himself, and

01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:42.079
I'm bringing this up because of what you just

01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:46.619
said, I started researching a little bit more

01:08:46.619 --> 01:08:48.619
because I was really confused about it. I'm like,

01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.380
okay, how could a guy that happy do that right

01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:54.779
after? I started looking at his old material.

01:08:55.340 --> 01:08:59.600
The day I tried to live exemplifies exactly what

01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.439
you're talking about, the turmoil. Yeah. People

01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:05.170
knew. In that video, everything was upside down.

01:09:05.350 --> 01:09:07.810
He kept trying to climb a rope and put it around

01:09:07.810 --> 01:09:11.369
his neck. But then when he let go to hang himself,

01:09:11.590 --> 01:09:14.930
it would flip images to where he just hit a floor.

01:09:15.649 --> 01:09:17.770
He was talking about everyday struggling with

01:09:17.770 --> 01:09:21.869
trying to kill himself. And people knew it, but

01:09:21.869 --> 01:09:24.569
they were profited off of it. He somehow got

01:09:24.569 --> 01:09:27.430
through that. And this is back when he was married

01:09:27.430 --> 01:09:34.010
to Silver. Is it Susan Silver? Was it Susan Silver

01:09:34.010 --> 01:09:35.789
or something like that? That sounds right. Yeah,

01:09:35.829 --> 01:09:38.670
yeah. She was a concert promoter. I think maybe

01:09:38.670 --> 01:09:40.409
something had to do something with Soundgarden.

01:09:40.550 --> 01:09:46.229
But anyhow, a newly published conversation with

01:09:46.229 --> 01:09:48.470
Rolling Stone, Soundgarden guitarist Kim Thall,

01:09:48.609 --> 01:09:51.590
who we both admire the piss out of that guy.

01:09:51.649 --> 01:09:54.630
Excellent guitarist. So underrated, criminally

01:09:54.630 --> 01:09:57.329
underrated. That guy is so good. I call him like

01:09:57.329 --> 01:10:00.189
a modern -day Jimmy Page for what he does. Yeah,

01:10:00.210 --> 01:10:06.329
yeah. I mean, he is driving and relentless. He's

01:10:06.329 --> 01:10:09.789
just everything I love in a good guitarist. So,

01:10:09.930 --> 01:10:14.930
by some artists, he feels who have been criminally

01:10:14.930 --> 01:10:17.770
overlooked by the institution and several other

01:10:17.770 --> 01:10:20.510
related topics. And this is what Thal is saying.

01:10:20.689 --> 01:10:23.909
Okay. The discussion also touched upon the possibility

01:10:23.909 --> 01:10:26.529
of Soundgarden once again hitting the live stage.

01:10:27.069 --> 01:10:29.270
during their introduction into the Hall of Fame

01:10:29.270 --> 01:10:32.289
this fall. Very deserved. They missed it last

01:10:32.289 --> 01:10:34.489
time. They missed it two times. They should have

01:10:34.489 --> 01:10:36.649
gotten a first ballad, no questions asked. Yeah,

01:10:36.649 --> 01:10:38.770
I would say so. Yeah, that pissed me off because

01:10:38.770 --> 01:10:41.949
if any band deserved it, Soundgarden is a perfect

01:10:41.949 --> 01:10:47.109
example of someone who left their mark on music.

01:10:47.369 --> 01:10:50.289
Yeah. You know, and was changing. They changed

01:10:50.289 --> 01:10:54.270
the whole landscape. Yes. So, the group would

01:10:54.270 --> 01:10:56.869
be performing at the event. Of course, they need

01:10:56.869 --> 01:11:00.689
a lead singer. He said, I think so if they want

01:11:00.689 --> 01:11:02.869
us to. It seems that an invitation is there.

01:11:03.189 --> 01:11:06.229
It's up to the hall to how many develop their

01:11:06.229 --> 01:11:09.529
program. But we love to play there. Our discussions

01:11:09.529 --> 01:11:11.909
haven't gone that deep yet. But you could probably

01:11:11.909 --> 01:11:14.250
look at the people that Matt, Ben, and I have

01:11:14.250 --> 01:11:16.670
played with over the past handful of years going

01:11:16.670 --> 01:11:19.250
back to the Chris Cornell Tribute Concert in

01:11:19.250 --> 01:11:23.550
2019. There's a few people who performed with...

01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:28.279
with us that you could say, that guy could definitely

01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:31.680
do it because of their past maturity. Yeah. Late

01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.819
last year, the surviving member of the band's

01:11:33.819 --> 01:11:36.739
classic lineup reunited for a benefit gig with

01:11:36.739 --> 01:11:41.100
Shania Shepard and Duff McKagan filling in on

01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:45.180
vocals. Duff McKagan. Wow. Shania Shepard, is

01:11:45.180 --> 01:11:49.880
she a folk? I don't know. I'm not really familiar

01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:51.979
with that. I'm not either. I'll have to get back.

01:11:52.510 --> 01:11:54.270
When Shepard's performance was brought up to

01:11:54.270 --> 01:11:56.550
Thal in this new chat, he replied, yeah, she's

01:11:56.550 --> 01:12:00.029
great, and she's local, wherever that is. I think

01:12:00.029 --> 01:12:02.750
everyone we played with is super talented. We

01:12:02.750 --> 01:12:05.109
have a trust in their ability and affection for

01:12:05.109 --> 01:12:08.050
their love of our work and our love of their

01:12:08.050 --> 01:12:11.590
work. I think the best I can say is look at the

01:12:11.590 --> 01:12:13.710
people we've worked with over the past five years,

01:12:13.829 --> 01:12:15.970
and then I can take a note from what Nirvana

01:12:15.970 --> 01:12:18.920
did when they went in and they had... three or

01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:21.279
four different singers perform with him. So I

01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:23.979
think that's the best idea right there. You take

01:12:23.979 --> 01:12:26.159
four people that were really into Chris Cornell,

01:12:26.260 --> 01:12:28.380
that really admired him, and you have them do

01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:32.779
it. Yeah, yeah. There was a movie about Bob Dylan

01:12:32.779 --> 01:12:35.520
made a while back where they had a number of

01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.880
different actors play Bob Dylan at different

01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:41.500
points in his life. In the Ozzy concert coming

01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:44.180
up, they're going to have musicians moving in

01:12:44.180 --> 01:12:46.340
and out and doing bits. Somebody's going to be

01:12:46.340 --> 01:12:49.390
singing for Ozzy when he can. This all makes

01:12:49.390 --> 01:12:51.310
perfect sense. It does. And these are people

01:12:51.310 --> 01:12:54.609
that are uber fans. Yeah. And a lot of them are

01:12:54.609 --> 01:12:56.510
uber talented. Some of them are just talented.

01:12:56.789 --> 01:13:00.369
Yeah. Okay. But they're rabid fans, and that's

01:13:00.369 --> 01:13:02.109
why they're there. They paid their own ticket.

01:13:02.250 --> 01:13:04.210
You know why? And they're not getting paid for

01:13:04.210 --> 01:13:06.430
it because it's a benefit. Yeah. They said 100

01:13:06.430 --> 01:13:10.170
% of the proceeds goes to Alzheimer's and I think

01:13:10.170 --> 01:13:12.430
some children's charity. Shows how much they

01:13:12.430 --> 01:13:14.770
want to do it, want to be part of it. I found

01:13:14.770 --> 01:13:16.770
it interesting that Jakey Lee paid to be there.

01:13:16.930 --> 01:13:20.409
Oh, wow. Did he get an invite? Or did he just

01:13:20.409 --> 01:13:23.409
say, I'll be there? He might have called up and

01:13:23.409 --> 01:13:28.810
said, if I pay my way, will you put me in? I

01:13:28.810 --> 01:13:31.510
want to be a part of this. You know what? He's

01:13:31.510 --> 01:13:33.409
trying to get back into the music scene. Yeah.

01:13:33.989 --> 01:13:36.970
He notoriously had some, it sounds like, drug

01:13:36.970 --> 01:13:39.590
issues. And he had some personal issues. Maybe

01:13:39.590 --> 01:13:43.729
he was really burnt out on music. Yeah. But I'll

01:13:43.729 --> 01:13:45.069
tell you what. Layla, I've been watching old

01:13:45.069 --> 01:13:49.319
videos of him playing with Ozzy. That guy, he

01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.680
was phenomenally talented. He could play. Oh,

01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:54.739
my gosh, yeah. He can still play to some degree,

01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:58.000
but back then he could really play. No, he can't

01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.539
play like he used to. Yeah. But Ace Frehley said

01:14:02.539 --> 01:14:05.340
it best. He goes, nobody can. No. He said anybody

01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:07.420
from that era cannot play like they used to.

01:14:08.060 --> 01:14:10.340
It's impossible. You just can't. I mean, it's

01:14:10.340 --> 01:14:13.800
physical wear on your body. Eddie Van Halen,

01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:15.520
if he is alive, he wouldn't be able to play like

01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.029
he did. Yeah, that's... That's one of the things

01:14:18.029 --> 01:14:20.630
that's sad about him passing is I want to see

01:14:20.630 --> 01:14:22.109
what he would have turned into. I would have

01:14:22.109 --> 01:14:24.350
loved to, too. You slow him down a little bit

01:14:24.350 --> 01:14:26.090
and change his music style a little bit and see

01:14:26.090 --> 01:14:28.369
what he comes up with. And imagine what Eddie

01:14:28.369 --> 01:14:30.329
would have been able to put out if he wasn't

01:14:30.329 --> 01:14:34.229
in a band that tour. Just go write music that

01:14:34.229 --> 01:14:36.250
you like, perform it, get it right, and release

01:14:36.250 --> 01:14:38.630
it, and that's it. Oh, man. We would have had

01:14:38.630 --> 01:14:40.449
awesome stuff. It hurts my heart knowing that

01:14:40.449 --> 01:14:42.649
that will never happen. Yeah. Because I'm so

01:14:42.649 --> 01:14:45.649
passionate about that. I would love to hear that

01:14:45.649 --> 01:14:47.569
music, but it's never going to come to fruition.

01:14:47.850 --> 01:14:50.750
And these albums, I'm sorry. These albums that

01:14:50.750 --> 01:14:53.449
Alex Van Halen talks about. of like four or five

01:14:53.449 --> 01:14:56.270
of them, this is shit on the floor. This is stuff

01:14:56.270 --> 01:14:58.189
that didn't make the cut for the albums, wasn't

01:14:58.189 --> 01:15:00.229
good enough to be on an album. It's like Led

01:15:00.229 --> 01:15:02.970
Zeppelin CODA. Do you remember CODA? No. I remember

01:15:02.970 --> 01:15:04.850
not buying it. Yeah, I remember not buying it,

01:15:04.869 --> 01:15:07.649
too. Why? Because it was shit on the floor, and

01:15:07.649 --> 01:15:09.250
the record company said, you owe us one more

01:15:09.250 --> 01:15:10.710
album. And they said, well, we're not going to

01:15:10.710 --> 01:15:13.869
do it without John Bonham. So they said, well,

01:15:13.949 --> 01:15:16.869
let's look around. Hey, I found this thing. Put

01:15:16.869 --> 01:15:20.010
it on there. Yeah, some are pretty bad recordings,

01:15:20.149 --> 01:15:21.890
too. Matter of fact, there's a lot of rumor going

01:15:21.890 --> 01:15:23.470
around that they didn't play on it either. I

01:15:23.470 --> 01:15:25.229
mean, the original recording was the original

01:15:25.229 --> 01:15:27.289
recording, but being spruced up, they weren't

01:15:27.289 --> 01:15:30.409
even there. Yeah. So, I mean, maybe Robert Plant.

01:15:30.449 --> 01:15:32.689
It was just kind of a manufactured album. Yes.

01:15:33.010 --> 01:15:35.770
So this is stuff laying on the floor that they're

01:15:35.770 --> 01:15:37.630
sweeping up, so I have no faith in that at all.

01:15:39.689 --> 01:15:43.109
Okay, the Fate of Soundgarden's final album was

01:15:43.109 --> 01:15:47.369
also broached. The album has been marred in legalities.

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:50.100
with the band's camp and the estate of their

01:15:50.100 --> 01:15:52.880
late vocalist guitarist Chris Cornell on opposing

01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.979
sides. At the heart of that matter were a number

01:15:55.979 --> 01:15:57.960
of unreleased songs Cornell was said to have

01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:01.859
been working on for the album prior to his passing.

01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.680
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's too bad because there's

01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.380
more material they're working on. Yeah. Those

01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:12.840
tracks are allegedly the writing credits for

01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.920
past legal filings, included, however, ownership.

01:16:16.569 --> 01:16:19.609
and intention as well as several other caveats

01:16:19.609 --> 01:16:22.689
surrounding how the final release would be handled

01:16:22.689 --> 01:16:25.829
bogged down the process of getting those songs

01:16:25.829 --> 01:16:28.930
into the hands of the public back in april 2023

01:16:28.930 --> 01:16:31.189
it seemed that everything had finally been hammered

01:16:31.189 --> 01:16:32.670
out i remember that and said okay it's going

01:16:32.670 --> 01:16:35.670
to come out now with an agreement been reached

01:16:35.670 --> 01:16:38.229
between the two parties however november of that

01:16:38.229 --> 01:16:41.170
year found the band's drummer matt cameron stating

01:16:41.170 --> 01:16:43.689
that the band's dispute with cornell's estate

01:16:43.689 --> 01:16:46.840
was still an ongoing concern Since then, there

01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.180
hasn't been much word on the fate of that outing.

01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:52.739
When asked in this new chat if he felt the album

01:16:52.739 --> 01:16:54.479
was eventually going to see the light of day,

01:16:54.659 --> 01:16:59.939
Kim Thal replied, I think so. Our objectives

01:16:59.939 --> 01:17:03.220
and goal. So pretty much a non -answer. A definite

01:17:03.220 --> 01:17:06.060
maybe. Yeah, a definite maybe. I think so. Our

01:17:06.060 --> 01:17:08.380
objective and goal is always to complete that.

01:17:08.890 --> 01:17:11.729
I probably have OCD enough to not want to leave

01:17:11.729 --> 01:17:13.750
something unfinished or incomplete like that.

01:17:13.850 --> 01:17:16.529
So I think the more we can attend to our body

01:17:16.529 --> 01:17:19.090
of work and our catalog, I think everyone in

01:17:19.090 --> 01:17:22.329
the band feels the same way. I don't just want

01:17:22.329 --> 01:17:26.829
to attend to my work, but the collective work,

01:17:26.989 --> 01:17:29.550
in this case specifically, and the work of Chris,

01:17:29.770 --> 01:17:32.930
to honor him. Yeah, you want to do it right if

01:17:32.930 --> 01:17:35.699
you're going to do it. So many other bands have

01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:38.199
just done the Cash Grab last album and it sucks.

01:17:38.979 --> 01:17:43.239
Well, this one right here is the first one I

01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.119
heard where they're talking about honoring and

01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.340
intentions. Yeah. So I think they're getting

01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:49.920
past the bad feelings and the hurtness and all

01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.840
that. That is a hopeful sign, yeah. Yeah, it

01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:58.300
is. I don't blame Vicki for being irritated at

01:17:58.300 --> 01:18:00.699
the band because I'm sure that she feels like

01:18:00.699 --> 01:18:02.939
they could have seen stuff happening. And maybe

01:18:02.939 --> 01:18:05.520
they did. Maybe they tried. Maybe her view is

01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.199
completely different from what they saw. But

01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:12.939
there is a history of using a person's torment

01:18:12.939 --> 01:18:15.859
to continue to write good songs and give good

01:18:15.859 --> 01:18:19.619
performances. Yes. Do you remember Scott Weiland

01:18:19.619 --> 01:18:22.500
of Stone Temple Pilots? Uh -huh. When he finally

01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:26.800
kicked heroin, he wrote an album that really

01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:28.979
wasn't very good. Yeah, and then he went back

01:18:28.979 --> 01:18:31.159
to it and he killed himself. Well, I mean, not...

01:18:31.830 --> 01:18:35.590
Not intentionally. Right, right. But the implication

01:18:35.590 --> 01:18:39.390
is there and has been strongly suggested that

01:18:39.390 --> 01:18:43.189
he went back on heroin so he could continue having

01:18:43.189 --> 01:18:45.010
a music career. I've heard that several times.

01:18:45.090 --> 01:18:48.449
The only person that could tell us that is him.

01:18:48.590 --> 01:18:51.069
And, well, at least right now we can't ask him.

01:18:51.170 --> 01:18:53.430
Yeah, that's true. And I'm fine with that. Yeah,

01:18:53.470 --> 01:18:55.770
yeah, yeah. We'll just do the guessing game.

01:18:56.010 --> 01:18:57.970
We'll knock three times and Scott Weiland shows

01:18:57.970 --> 01:19:01.550
up. Don't say his name three times. Biggie Smalls,

01:19:01.550 --> 01:19:07.289
Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls. Oh, shit. Hey,

01:19:07.390 --> 01:19:11.329
you can tell us who killed him. Who killed Tupac?

01:19:11.489 --> 01:19:14.550
Oh, he's still alive. Oh, okay. I don't know.

01:19:18.970 --> 01:19:21.250
Anyhow, you got anything? I mean, that's pretty

01:19:21.250 --> 01:19:24.369
much all I have. Okay, one thing I, a little

01:19:24.369 --> 01:19:27.680
update on. A while back I talked about how I

01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:31.319
used to have Amazon Prime for music. And then

01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:34.319
when I suspended my membership, all the albums

01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.760
that I downloaded through Amazon Prime became

01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:38.819
unavailable. Even the ones that I had bought.

01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:42.180
Even the ones you bought? Even the ones I bought.

01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.279
Did they credit you? No. That's bullshit. So

01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:51.130
it was like I would buy a CD. And get the physical

01:19:51.130 --> 01:19:53.649
copy. And then they would let me download the

01:19:53.649 --> 01:19:56.750
MP3s so I didn't have to make my own. Those are

01:19:56.750 --> 01:19:59.810
the ones that disappeared. I discovered they're

01:19:59.810 --> 01:20:02.130
actually still on my phone is they're very well

01:20:02.130 --> 01:20:09.789
hidden. You've seen occasionally in Windows where

01:20:09.789 --> 01:20:12.189
it says you have hidden files and read -only

01:20:12.189 --> 01:20:14.029
files and protected files. Well, I guess these

01:20:14.029 --> 01:20:17.430
are hidden files. Because if I specifically search

01:20:17.430 --> 01:20:22.710
for... the title of the song, .mp3, it finds

01:20:22.710 --> 01:20:25.750
it on my phone. And I can actually play it from

01:20:25.750 --> 01:20:29.489
there. But no kind of music app will find it

01:20:29.489 --> 01:20:31.989
on my phone because Amazon Prime turned them

01:20:31.989 --> 01:20:39.250
all into hidden files. And that's my punishment

01:20:39.250 --> 01:20:41.369
for not giving them the monthly rent payment

01:20:41.369 --> 01:20:44.050
that they were used to. They punished me by taking

01:20:44.050 --> 01:20:46.250
away that music to the extent that they could.

01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.039
The fuckery that goes on with all these subscriptions

01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:56.880
and these upsells is insane. The average consumer

01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.600
ought to just, no matter what, just say, we don't

01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.079
care. We're not doing it anymore. Well, that's

01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:04.579
something I've started asking at places where

01:21:04.579 --> 01:21:06.300
they, you know, do you want the extended warranty

01:21:06.300 --> 01:21:09.520
for an extra $1 .99 a month? I'll ask them, is

01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.500
there a one -time charge I can pay? Or does it

01:21:12.500 --> 01:21:14.579
have to be a monthly payment that never ends?

01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.039
And I make them tell me that it's a monthly payment

01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:19.939
that never ends. It's like, then I don't want

01:21:19.939 --> 01:21:23.439
it. It's something I can pay for once and own.

01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.199
Okay. But if I'm paying monthly, it's rent and

01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:31.380
I don't rent. Yep. So. Of course, there's a lot

01:21:31.380 --> 01:21:33.399
I'm going to miss out on, but that's my choice,

01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:36.199
isn't it? Yes. I'm okay missing out on stuff.

01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:42.439
You choose not to partake in that. Yeah. I choose

01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:46.199
not to participate. There we go. I just thought

01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:50.399
it was entertaining that Amazon Music had gone

01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:52.800
to that length to hide that music from me. I

01:21:52.800 --> 01:22:02.960
know, and it's just so evil. Yeah. Okay, I guess

01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.319
we're pretty much wrapped up on that one. So,

01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.720
once again, man, thank you guys for listening.

01:22:07.779 --> 01:22:09.979
We really, really appreciate you. Yes, yes. Please

01:22:09.979 --> 01:22:11.539
tell everybody and go fuck yourself.