Hey, it's actually working now. Okay. All right.
We are the music. Creeps. We are the music. That's
going to hurt their ears. Creeps. Okay. Beating
up my microphone. Hell yeah, because that's what
we do. All for the greater good. Yes. You got
something you want to get into? What was I thinking?
Oh, yes. I didn't get around. The list that I
mentioned last week, I didn't get around because
I got back late Sunday. Yeah, it's been hectic.
Yeah, I had to go to work in between. And that
was the groups that have their worst song that
they recorded is their biggest hit. Yeah. Pointing
song was this right here. Sweet Child, Oh Mine
by Guns N' Roses. That is clearly their worst
song. Yeah, they've got so many better songs
than that. Well, besides that one on Use Your
Illusion, the Double Chalk and Jive motherfucker
or whatever. And then the other one of Get in
the Ring. Yeah. Okay, you know, maybe it wasn't
their worst song, but it was on a plane with
them. I'm talking serious song, not like Get
in the Ring where Axl Rose is pissed off at a
bunch of people and naming them and saying he's
going to beat them up. Talking about real songs.
Yeah. So... And the best one I came up with was
Don't Fear the Reaper, Blue Oyster Cult. That's
a good point. Yeah, that one I agree. That was
a horrible song. It's okay. It's boring. It's
the same thing over and over and over and over.
And people love it now because it's the more
cowbell song. Yes. That's its claim to fame,
which makes it even more solidly on the list
of worst song. Yes. Wouldn't that burn it for
you, Godzilla? Joan Crawford has risen from the
dead. That's a great song. There's so many songs
that they did. I'm like, Joan Crawford has risen
from the dead. It will never get the credit it
deserves. That guitar tone that he uses on there
is insane. Yeah. I don't know how he gets it.
I mean, that is just such a, I mean, just listen
to the rest of the album that don't fear. The
reaper is on the rest of the album. Okay, great.
Yeah. Anyway. Okay. That was my. My one that
I knew for sure on the list. And mine's Guns
N' Roses, Sweet Child. Oh, mine. Oh, mine. Yeah,
so those are great examples. I didn't have time
to get to them, and it sounds like that you're
trying to. So maybe next episode, one after,
we'll have a few of them for you. Yeah, I'll
try to stay away from the one -hit wonders. That's
what I was trying to do, too. By definition,
that's there. Yeah, that's why, you know, I was
like, you know, this is going to take some thought,
and stuff's going to pop to me periodically.
So I kind of, like, really just didn't delve
into it. What I did do was I looked at some feuds
or supposed feuds that went on and how bad they
really were and what they guess really happened
or did happen. Oh, yeah. You like that? We always
get the spin right off the bat. And then after
that, we get the version of whoever won the lawsuit.
And it takes a while. You finally hear what really
happened. Yes. So the first one I got, and a
lot of people didn't know this, but the feud
between Neil Young and Leonard Skinner. Oh, yeah,
yeah, over Southern Man. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Leonard
Skinner won that because of their actions is
what people are saying. Yeah. And their statement
was this, and that's why I said people think
they won it. It's because their statement was,
we know the difference between right and wrong.
That's what they said about Neil Young mouthing
off about Southern Man. Yeah. I remember that.
Yeah, I do too. southern man a track featured
on his seminal album after the gold rush it wasn't
only van zant that was offended though the material
also said a large portion of his fans from the
region the song tackles racism into the era's
historical relationship with slavery and its
ties to the ku klux klan young depicted a dark
picture of a place leonard skinner called home
and they were aggrieved by the cheap stereotyping
used on southern man And I agree with that. I
make fun of hillbillies, hicks, whatever you
want to call them, all the time. But I grew up
a large portion of my life down there, and I
feel I have the right to say that. And it's all
lovingly anyhow. Look, there's a lot of fine
people, really fine people, who are out there
working hard and doing what's right. This, I
don't think, was parody like I do. This was him
trying to make a political statement at their
expense. And isn't it interesting that the loving
and accepting and tolerant liberal Neil Young
is lumping everybody in South together and declaring
they're all bad people? Hypocrisy. Isn't that
prejudice and bigotry on Neil Young's part? And
he's supposed to be this tolerant, accepting
liberal? If you were a real liberal, you would
diminish that song. You'd say, I don't want that
song near me. Yeah, it's full of prejudice and
bigotry and assumptions. And because I'm honest
about it. My liberalism. I choose to put that
song in the same category I would put any song
that's racist. Yeah, like, you know, all left
-handed people are this way, all Republicans
are that way, all boomers do this. It's all prejudice.
Some of it is considered funny and laughed at
and worthy of posting on social media, and others
will get you fired. Yeah, that's right. But it's
all various forms of prejudice and bigotry. It's
just whichever one's in fashion right now. Exactly.
That's a good way to put it. Yeah, if it's in,
then you can do whatever you want. Yeah, right
now it's completely in fashion to be completely
bigoted and full of hate and prejudice against
anybody who identifies as conservative or Republican.
Yes. They are the target. Yep. They all get lumped
together into one big group of evil. Yeah. None
of them are taken as individuals anymore. Isn't
that interesting? I know. And these are coming
from people that say they're tolerant. Yeah.
And that's why they're out there fighting. So,
okay, as a result of the backlash, Young attempted
to defend his generalization by claiming that
the song was more about civil rights movement
than the South. However, his justification fell
on deaf ears, which it should have. Because he
should have said that. Yeah, he should have said
that. He didn't. He was taking a cheap shot at
him, trying to make himself look like this all
-loving guy. Virtue signaling. Virtue signaling,
yes. Look how beautiful and wonderful I am. He
has to be seen and heard doing this, or it doesn't
matter. Exactly. Yeah. And all he was doing was
a photo op. Yeah. In the liner notes, song could
have been written on a civil rights march after
stopping off to watch Gone with the Wind at a
local theater. I don't know why they put that
in there. Well, the movie Gone with the Wind
has some pretty unattractive racial stereotypes
in there. You think that's what they're getting
at? I almost X'd that out, but I thought I'd
run it by you and see what you thought. And it
also kind of glossed over the Confederacy and
what they were about and their goals and how
they treated people. The book and the movie were
written and made at a time when that was accepted
to gloss over the sins of the Confederacy and
the Civil War, etc. And a lot of people considered
it to be Confederate propaganda in a small way.
Okay, okay, I see. All right, thanks. Seeing
Gone with the Wind might have pushed him over
the edge, seeing that the slaves in the first
half of the movie, they're slaves, and the second
half of the movie, the Civil War's over. So they're
speaking for Neil Young, why he wrote that, why
he thought that. Yeah. I don't think he ever
stated that, though, did he? No, and in fact,
recently he came out and apologized to Leonard
Skinner and all the people in the southern U
.S. for these generalizations, but at the same
time he said, But it wasn't what I really meant
to begin with. No, no, you can't do that. So
it wasn't a real apology. Then why do you apologize
if that's not what you meant? Again, he's trying
to polish his brand. Yeah. Yeah. He might as
well forget it. His brand's never coming back.
I don't think so. I think he had a resurgence
when Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam fell in love with
him. And since then he's been mostly irrelevant.
The godfather of grunge is what they called him?
No way. No, he's, I mean, he looked kind of grunge.
Yeah, he did. But that was about it. His music
really wasn't. His guitar was sloppy like grunge.
Yeah. Other than that, making political statements
does not have to be grunge. No. I listened to
a podcast a few years back that used to be really
good music. It was an open mic kind of thing,
singer -songwriter at a coffee shop in New York.
It was in Long Island. And people would come
up with a guitar or a keyboard or whatever and
do their song. And there were some really good
musicians, some really interesting songs. And
then the election of 2000 happened. And everyone
was divided over whether Al Gore really won.
The dingling Chad. Yeah. Or the hanging Chad
or whatever. And from that moment on. Every person
who got up at that open mic in that coffee shop
was singing these political protest songs, and
that's okay, except they were really shitty songs.
I mean, just awful. They put all their effort
into trying to come up with clever lyrics, and
the music itself was garbage. And I quit listening
after about a month, and then a month later I
checked back to see if they had changed, and
they were gone. Hmm. Because nobody wanted to
listen to that shit. You know? Not on a podcast.
No. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I agree. And a
music podcast to that. Yeah. So, you know, all
those people felt good and they felt righteous
getting up and stating their political view.
But everyone else decided, you know what? We
don't have to participate. Bye. You're right.
Yeah. And it goes for all sides. Okay. All right.
So let's assume that Neil Young, that's how he
wrote the song. Okay. It was still wrong. Whatever.
Two years after Southern Man took another shot
at the South, when he returned, Young took another
shot at the South, when he returned to the same.
contingent album on Alabama this time. Singled
out the state particularly. Yes, Alabama. The
Canadian attempted, and I love the way they worded
this, the Canadian attempted to justify the song
stating that Alabama wasn't specific to the state
but felt like an appropriate title to convey
the track's message. Bullshit. Yeah. No, he's
a blathering fucking idiot. He's a blowhard.
So... Actually, the song is more about a personal
thing than it is about a state. He explained
with the liner notes. And I've just used that
name and the state to hide whatever it is I have
to hide. I don't know what that means. You know,
when... So he pretty much said nothing. Yeah,
yeah. When the artist and writer who was coming
up with Batman wanted to use a city like New
York, he didn't call it New York. He called it
Gotham City. And now New York's code word is
Gotham City. So Neil Young could have come up
with a word like confederalia instead of singling
out a state. I mean, writers and creative people
have been doing that for centuries, but he couldn't
figure that part out. Well, it's because he was
singling out the state of Alabama. Yes. And now
he's lying about it. Yes. Yep. Either that or
he's too stupid to compose music using pseudonyms
and allegory and metaphor. I think that that
is a part of it, too, but I also think that his
audience is a part of it. He does not think that
they're capable of figuring that out. Yeah, and
there's a certain part of him that will just
take what he says and go, yeah, I don't want
to feel bad about him, so I'm just going to believe
him. Exactly. Oh, well, it's the way things go.
The singer -songwriter was well aware of the
furious reaction the song would initiate from
people of Alabama, especially after the anger
that he had caused with Southern Man. But that
didn't stop him from starting round two. Unfortunately
for Young, in this case, the fury would ground
out the message he was trying to spread. I disagree
with the message he was trying to spread, unless
they mean it in the old form of him being hateful.
It did not specify, but I'm saying, by the way,
this was written, that they meant like his hateful
message wasn't received like he thought it was
going to be. Yeah, yeah. His intent was a message
of raising awareness. That's basically what he
was trying to do. And we've seen how useless
and stupid raising awareness is. Oh, yeah. It
shouldn't even be on the radar. No. So that was
his attempt is, oh, maybe that's what he thought
he was doing, is, oh, I'm raising awareness about
the civil rights struggle that is still going
on in the South. He's a modern -day Susan G.
Komen. There you go. Or not a modern -day. An
antique. And what the message, how it was received
was, okay, you hate the southern U .S., so we're
not interested in hearing you sing about it.
here in the southern U .S. We don't want to hear
you singing about how awful we are, so we don't
want it. This article didn't mention it, but
I remember him doubling down on this. Oh, yeah.
Because he said southern rebels. Uh -huh. And
that caused more fury than anything. This article
didn't go into that. But that right there led
to people going to his concerts and screaming
and yelling at him. Yeah. Getting him to run
off stage and people threatening him. You know
what's interesting? Calling somebody in the South
a rebel, that's kind of like the N -word. It
is, yes. If you are one, you can use it, but
nobody else better. No, no, no. He is an extreme
liberal. He could not use it. Uh -uh. Yeah, that's
kind of like the Southern person's N -word is
rebel. And that's the way they viewed it, too.
They're like, he's calling us trash. Yeah, because
that's the way the Union soldiers would use it.
Yeah, they got some rebel. It diminishes you
into nothing category. Undeserving of human life.
Yes. So, yeah, that has remained. So that was
a big miscalculation. He claimed he didn't realize
what that word meant. No, he did. That's why
he said it. He was mad. He was angry. Remember
when Def Leppard put their foot in it in a concert
in El Paso? Uh -huh. The singer... During the
concert, he addressed the audience and he said,
it's great to be out here performing for all
this bunch of greasy Mexicans. Did he? He did.
Joe Elliott said that? Joe Elliott said that.
And the place erupted. And I think they were
able to finish the concert. And the next day
he was like, dude, I seriously thought that was
like calling a British person a limey. Like,
it's no big deal. It's a joke. Oh, he is British.
Yeah. Maybe he did. So he said somebody mentioned
that term, and he thought it was just an accepted
joke term, like calling someone a redneck is
no big deal. He was trying to endear himself
in the crowd. But he came out with a really ugly
racial slur. Now, I believe he did that by mistake.
I believe he really didn't want to do it. But
Neil Young knew what he was saying. Oh, yeah.
You know, Rick Allen looked at Joe Elliott and
said, I already only have one fucking arm. Why
are you doing this? Oh, this was like their tour
for their second album. This was like really
early in their career. Oh, on through the night.
Yeah. Yeah, okay. He still had his second arm
at that point. Yeah, he still had, yeah. All
right. When I met him, they were touring, opening
for... Oh, did you meet him? Yeah, yeah. Ted
Nugent was coming to town, and Def Leppard was
opening for him. And they just had their brand
new hit with Wasted and Rock Brigade. Yeah, yeah.
And they were across the street at KY -102. I
was across the street from them at Penn Valley
Community College. So once I heard they were
there, I just bailed, walked across the street,
walked in. I just happened to be wearing a shirt
that day that said, I'm the drummer. And there
were a couple of suits in the lobby that looked
at me with my long hair and saw the shirt and
said, oh, the rest of the band's upstairs. Go
ahead. Oh, that's fucking awesome. Wasn't it?
So I just walked up and there's like, I think
it was Joe McCabe. and Dick Wilson and all five
guys from Def Leppard looking like little children
because I was already older than them at that
point. And somebody just run out to get them
all beer. And here they were, underage British
kids drinking beer at a radio station, and I
was able to talk to them and shake their hands.
And KY just didn't care? No, I was just, you
know, who the hell is this guy? I don't know.
They let him in. So nobody questioned it because
I acted like I belonged there. I got a question.
It was so fun. You mentioned Joe McCabe. Yeah.
Do you remember his alter ego or his nickname?
No, I remember he had one, but I can't remember.
Skippy, the housewife's friend. That's it. Skippy,
the housewife's friend. And yes, I forgot who
said I should write a book on Kansas City Radio.
You're right. I read it last night on the emails.
You're right. I know more stuff than... I know
stuff that people shouldn't even fucking remember.
Yeah. Because I was always so much into it. Yeah.
So, yeah, you're right. But if I wrote a book,
you'd be the only one reading it. Be sure to
include that spoof commercial. Remember when,
you know Bowflex? Yeah. The exercise Bowflex?
When they first come out, they were called Soloflex.
Yes. And 102 did a spoof commercial called Solosex.
Yes, I remember that. Which was copied by a million
different people. And KY put it on their CD when
they released a CD of their best bits. And the
company... I would love to have one of those.
...disappeared for about six, eight months, rebranded
themselves as Bowflex, and then came back. So
102 destroyed their brand. I'm glad they didn't
go Bowflex. Isn't that awesome? It is. Hey, we
got a new name, guys. What's that? Biflex? Shake
weight. Next. What about that candy called AIDS?
AIDS, yeah. It was A -Y -D -S, and it was before
AIDS. Yeah, it was a weight loss candy. It was
a weight loss one, yeah. How ironic. Yeah, oh,
God. You know, South Park had a wonderful time
with that. Oh, God, yeah. South Park was kings
of illustrating through the obscenely absurd.
They put Jared from Subway on talking about his
weight loss, and he kept telling the South Park
boys it was because he had AIDS. And he meant
people physically helping him, but they thought
he meant the disease. Yes. And he kept talking
about, I think everyone should have AIDS. I want
to give a bunch of children AIDS. He wanted to
give a bunch of children a lot of things. Yeah.
That's why he's in prison. That is. And getting
smacked in the face every morning called Chomo.
I hope he's getting smacked with lots of footlongs.
Oh, I think he's getting a lot of footlongs right
now. Matter of fact, they probably went on because
his footlong receiver is probably blown out.
Probably so. You've got to move on to the right
nostril. Yeah, yes. Okay, never mind. Okay, all
right. How about the Beatles double cross? Michael
Jackson's betrayal of Paul McCartney. Yes. And
this, I used to think this was bullshit. I did
too. But it was not. Yeah, it was real. Okay,
so Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, this disaster
initiated in 1978, way before people thought
it did, when Paul McCartney wrote the song Girlfriend
for MJ. In fact, Jackson's producer, Quincy Jones,
suggested that Michael cover the track, to which
he agreed. It was included in his 1979 breakthrough,
Off the Wall. The pair then duetted. On the hit
single, The Girl Is Mine. Remember that one?
Oh, yeah. A lot of people don't remember that
song. I do. In 1982, from Jax's most iconic album,
Thriller. The musical acts' powers would not
stop there, though. They teamed up again the
following year for not one, but two songs on
McCartney's fourth solo studio album. I remember
Ebony and Ivory. And Say, Say, Say. Yeah, that
was the other one. Anyhow, okay, his album was
called Pipes of Peep. and it led to the album's
hit single, Say, Say, Say, and album track, The
Man. It was to be during the recording sessions
for Say, Say, Say that events would be set into
motion that would kick off music's biggest betrayal.
Now this is the part where I didn't realize everything
that went on before it. I knew what Michael Jackson
had done, and I didn't know if it was necessarily
a problem because the music was for sale. Yeah,
yeah. Okay. Equating to Brutus and Caesar, allegedly.
When in conversation, Paul McCartney advised
Jackson to invest his colossal wealth into music
publishing. He encouraged him to. On this day,
August 14, 1985, the unspeakable would happen.
MJ obtained the publishing rights to a majority
of the Beatles' back catalog for $47 million
for parent company ATV. McCartney had not been
receiving his share of the earnings from Beatles
songs since 1969 due to the mismanagement of
him and John Lennon's publishing company, Northern
Songs. Respectively, in 1989, McCartney said
of the Northern Songs situation, Very early on,
we got managed into a little situation, he explained.
It meant that whatever the lion's share of the
songs we did were taken by someone else. However...
Back in 1985, McCartney planned to launch a bid
to purchase back the rights of the song. That
way he could pay himself. Yes. Yeah, I get it.
And Michael Jackson jumped in front of him and
bought the rights, which led to a very bitter
feud and a lot of things being said. Because
that way Michael Jackson could continue to not
pay Paul McCartney. Yes, yes. Oh my gosh. But
above all, he encouraged him. But he didn't mean
his stuff. Yeah. It's like teaching a guy how
to pick up women, and then he seduces your wife.
Teach you how to beat up bullies, and he beats
you up. Yeah. Hang on, hang on. I think I got
really good at this. That's fucking good. Yeah,
tell her how pretty she is. Next thing you know,
hey, not on my wife. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. How about
the most famous, and I think everybody heard
about this, it actually happened live on MTV
for one instance. This was a rivalry between
Axl Rose of Guns N' Roses and Kurt Cobain of
Nirvana. Remember that fight? No, I don't. You
don't? Oh, that was big. I was remembering Eddie
Van Halen and David Lee Roth having an unpleasantness
on stage once. You know what, I don't know if
I covered that because people know, you know.
Yeah, that was... It was... Well, and also, I'd
have to write a 30 -page article. No, no kidding.
Because they're always at each other's throats.
And now Alex Van Halen is feuding with Sammy
Hagar. Sammy's saying, look, just leave me alone
and I'll leave you alone. Yeah. And the threat
is, if you would continue this, then I'm willing
to spread the dirt. Yeah, and Alex did shut up,
to his credit. Yeah, he better. Yeah. And I don't
know what happened to the event of them hating
each other so much. It really wasn't addressed
in Alex's book. There's a lot more to this that
we're not finding out. And I think that's part
of the reason that they're both shutting up is
because no one has said enough yet. Exactly.
Yeah. So they decided to shut it down before
it really got interesting. Yeah. Let's not destroy
everybody's brand here. Let's just keep it to
ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. So the rivalry between
Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses' Kurt Cobain fueled
by contrasting musical styles and personalities.
While Axl initially impressed admiration for
Nirvana, the feeling wasn't reciprocated by Kurt,
who publicly criticized Guns N' Roses and their
frontman. Yeah, he didn't like a lot of people.
I know. He hated everybody that had anything
to do with music. And pretty much anyone who
was successful. Yes. It was the anti. It was
a blowback from the glam years. Yeah, yeah. It
was like they went the polar opposite. They're
tired of... Guys putting on makeup and wearing
tight pants. I think a good way to look at the
grunge era is just like the punk era, except
now the guys could play. Yes. In the 70s punk
era, nobody could play shit. Not all of them
could play, most of them. But in grunge, it was
punk guys and gals who could actually play this
time and write decent songs. Yeah. And it worked
really well because people were tired of Firehouse,
Don't Treat Me Bad. Yes. They want to hear a
song about fucking teen angst. And somebody with,
you know, a nine -foot halo of hair around his
head. Yes. And if anyone's wondering about that
Generation X parody that I did, that's why I
did it. Because all these people, including me
and everybody else, well, I wasn't the angst
guy. I never fell for that. I never wore flannel.
Okay. But everybody. that was against the establishment.
Everybody that shook their fist at the man, everybody
said that they would never be a part of it, all
have boats. Yeah. And it's happened like this
in every generation. Right now, we're talking
about Gen Z. One of these days, they're going
to own boats. And they're going to look at the
younger generation and shake their head and go,
oh my, boy, you guys are fucking up. That's what
that is. It's a parody. I could have done it
on the boomers. I could do it on the millennials.
But because I'm an Xer, I feel I have the right
to point that out. Yeah, that's the thing I think
about when I hear people criticizing certain
generations or rolling their eyes at, oh, that's
boomer talk. Get off my lawn. Yeah. Or the boomer
talk. Yeah, it's like, dude, if you don't die
first, you're going to be right there someday.
Yes. And everybody's going to look at you and
roll in their eyes at what a fossil you are.
How come he stinks? It just happens. Yeah, that's
true. Unless you die first, you're going to be
there. You're going to be there. People don't
even realize it happens. Yeah. And that's how
come Progressive had such great commercials with
Unbecoming Your Parents. Yes. Because I think
that strikes a nerve with anybody that watches
and understands it. Yeah, I remember when I was
like 12, 13, 14 years old, I was really convinced
that the kind of music that was popular at that
point was going to be popular forever. Yeah,
me too. Because I couldn't imagine anything better.
Yeah. It's like, the shows that are on, these
are just going to last for 20, 30 years. Everyone's
going to keep making movies just like this. The
music's just like... But, you know, five years
later, it was vastly different, and I was disappointed.
But that's what happens. So no matter how much
you love it and think this is great, it's going
to last forever, it... It kind of isn't. I agree.
Maybe a little version is ever going to last
forever in somebody's world. You can still go
somewhere and hear classical symphony music.
The guy that makes money in music is the one
that spots trends. The one that goes, all right,
this has run its course. Then you have all these
bands behind it that are doing the same thing,
like the Glam Era. You have like 100 ,000 bands
doing glam. And then all of a sudden, even Mother
Love Bone from Seattle, they all overnight, wore
flannel, took off the makeup, and cut their hair.
I remember a statement from the lead singer of
Loverboy. He's loving every minute of it. Yeah.
They were having a great career. Their career
was building, getting higher, and they had a
whole other album of material ready to go. And
the record label said, nah, we're not interested
in that kind of music anymore because it's all
grunge now. We can't rebrand you as Grunge, so
we're basically not interested anymore. But however,
we sold your song riff to 2 ,000 radio stations
5 o 'clock on a Friday evening. Exactly. So look
for your mailbox. Look in your mailbox. If you've
got decent music publishing. This one, KY102,
they owe you like $3 ,000. I would think so.
Remember, that was... That was the standard.
That was a gold standard. Yeah. Somewhere in
that Friday at 5 o 'clock collage. Everybody's
working for the weekend would come on, yeah.
And then every now and then they'd put in a really
cute ah, ah, ah, ah, like fucking what's -his
-name did. Anyhow. All right. Early admiration,
growing dislike. Axl Rose initially showed interest
in Nirvana, even wearing a Nirvana t -shirt in
a Guns N' Roses video, which they've since erased.
They've taken the Nirvana off of it. Oh, that's
awesome. However, Kurt Cobain publicly distanced
Nirvana from Guns N' Roses, portraying them as
a diametrically opposed. And I agree, they were.
Pretty much, yeah. They were. They wanted the
fame, fortune, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
Well, Guns N' Roses was a big stage. They had
the biggest stage around. They were a big show.
The band itself was, what, five people? Yeah.
On stage, it was 20. And I'm not kidding you,
I went to nothing. They had brass sections. They
had grand piano that Axl Rose played. They had
different basses. They had different, I mean,
they brought out the whole fucking kitchen for
it. I remember Emerson, Lake, and Palmer did
that back in the 70s. That's probably where you
got it from. They got to the point during the
tour where their management said, look, we're
losing money every show. Because we simply can't
charge enough to cover the cost of all these
people and moving them from city to city. Back
then, you had to hire them all and then move
them all from city to city. Nowadays, if you're
moving to San Francisco, you can book an orchestra
that's already there, send them the music, say,
okay, learn this, and show up at the venue. But
in the 70s, you had to hire them and take them
with you. And they just couldn't afford it. Well,
I think Guns N' Roses had a certain amount of
ones that traveled with them, but I think a lot
of them they probably hired wherever they were
at. Yeah, that's the smart way to do it. Because
some of them they wouldn't announce, but the
ones they announced I'm pretty sure are ones
that had something to do with the album or the
touring, you know, the touring aspect of it.
So Kurt's statements included drawing a line
between two bands, starting that Nirvana had
something to say while Guns N' Roses did not.
No, Guns N' Roses had a lot to say. It was all
personal that nobody knew anything about. Yeah,
yeah. Every time Axl Rose was mad at somebody
or he had an itchy asshole, he wrote a song about
somebody, but then he would try to skip around
it, but everybody knew who it was about. See,
Neil Young, you can take a lesson from that.
Yes. He didn't have to single out Southern Man
or Alabama, did he? No. He wrote in metaphor.
He wrote in metaphor. Yeah. Look how well that
worked for him, Axl. He also made remarks implying
that fans would have to choose between supporting
Guns N' Roses or Nirvana. Oh, that's dumb. That
is so dumb. Actually, it worked, though. It did?
Crazy. Look, on that there's no clear -cut winner,
so you're right. Nobody won that. No. But you
had two camps. The Nirvana camp was growing much
faster than the Guns N' Roses camp, though. It
was the issue for Guns N' Roses. Yeah. You had
people literally in the streets, one of them
wearing a Guns N' Roses, one of them wearing
a Nirvana. And they're showing homage to what
they liked. Yeah, I guess there is money to be
made in the us versus them conflict. Yeah, there
is. But the thing is, is nobody won. No. Because
they just divided everybody up. They've been
smarter to have been like, look, we each do our
own thing. Man, you can listen to both. Yeah.
But they didn't. Cobain's public interest and
stance on social issues, including equality and
feminism, contrasted sharply with Axel's perceived
image. They're not saying that was what he was.
His perceived image. Yeah. Cobain's frustration
with the celebrity and attention surrounding
his success might have also contributed to his
dislike to Axel. I think everybody disliked him
on that level. Yeah, yeah. For a long time, the
only thing coming out about Axl was negative
stuff. You know, they were saying all the things
he was doing, but none of the reasons why. Axl
Rose's emotional problems stemming from what
happened to him as a child, allegedly, which
probably did. I don't know why you'd make that
up. A lot of that came from there. Yeah. You
know? And then getting into band with a bunch
of... waste -oids, and he's the only one who's
keeping it together, and he's basically carrying
the whole band. I've been in that situation before,
and it fucking sucks. Yeah, so I'm not surprised
that he insisted on getting the whole thing signed
over to him, because the rest of the band was
going to sell it to some drug dealer. I call
that move brilliant. It was. He saved Guns N'
Roses. He saved Guns N' Roses. And he knew that
they had to go along with it. Otherwise, he was
going to end it. Yep. And the thing is, Axl could...
could tour as Guns N' Roses. Yeah. And he did.
The rest of them could not. No. No, you really
can't. No. Unfortunately like that, Vince Neil
got to tour and still does solo. Yeah. Because
he's the voice of what people knew. I mean, he
sucks, but he's the voice. Yeah. Yeah. So, some
accounts describe Axl as a more sensitive, artistic,
while Cobain is seen as more combative. The 1992
MTV Video Music Awards incident. Oh, here we
go. Okay. The rivalry reached a peak at the 1992
MTV Video Music Awards when Axl and his then
-girlfriend passed by Kurt and Courtney Love.
According to various accounts, Axl's behavior
during that encounter contributed to the growing
animosity between them. Axl has also expressed,
well, okay, it didn't go into that on this article,
and I apologize. I wanted it to. I didn't realize
that it didn't. There were some words said. Yeah.
And I guess, like, I think Kurt Cobain called
them, like, posers and non -musicians. Oh, yeah,
I remember that. Yeah. And Axl Rose turned around
and said something like, you know, my guys can
play their fucking instruments, which was wrong.
He had a lot of talented people on Nirvana. Yeah.
Nova Selleck. Well, Kurt Cobain, too. He was
sloppy, but he had emotion in what he did, which
made it good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that... Turned
into a big thing. It was almost a fist fight.
And actually, if I remember correctly, it ended
up on air. Wow. One of them was backstage. And
if I remember correctly, Axl was on the stage.
And Kurt Cobain was back there screaming at him.
Saying, come here, you pussy, and all this stuff.
Wow. And MTV, being smart back in those days
and still having music, they panned to Cobain.
And then everybody said it was staged, but it
wasn't. Wow, that's funny. Yeah. Axel has also
expressed his admiration for... What the fuck
was that? Pigeon just dropped a stick on us.
They don't like our podcast. No. That's Kurt
Cobain from the grave. Go get your stick, bird.
That's Kurt Cobain from the grave. That was.
Sorry, Kurt. We're not making fun of you. At
least he didn't crap on us. All right. Okay,
yeah. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, no shit, literally.
Yeah. All right, okay. Axel also expressed his
admiration for Kurt Cobain. This is way later,
though. They didn't say that. And talent and
the impact of Nirvana. He reportedly felt a connection
with Cobain, even though the feeling wasn't reciprocated,
which we know. Some accounts suggest that Axel,
I almost called him asshole. I bet a lot of people
have. Oh, I bet so, too. Axel was deeply affected
by Cobain's death, expressed empathy and understanding.
Well, yeah. The stuff that happened to Axel Rose,
allegedly, but probably did, would put him in
the same category of depression and may want
to kill himself. So I'm sure that he thought,
I was there. I was there with a gun in my mouth
or whatever. I was there, but I got through it.
This poor gentleman couldn't. That's something
that can also fuel the animosity is if Axel is
feeling like, hey, man, you and I are in the
same boat. We should be colleagues here. You
shouldn't be attacking me. I counted on you for
support, and now you're attacking me. That can
feel like even, you know, the double betrayal.
I think in the middle of that, there was a lot
of that going on because of the emotions. Yeah.
You know, it wasn't just a fist shaker. There
was actually a lot of stuff said very personal
and very detailed. It was thought of very carefully.
I'm pretty sure Courtney Love probably said a
few things, too. She's that kind of person. Yeah,
but she probably said, Hey, Axel. And that comment
about not being able to play her instruments,
that was mostly directed at Courtney Love. Yes.
I mean, she has some skill, but, man, if you've
ever heard the actual tape where they didn't
mute her guitar and she's playing live, it's
horrid. Oh, my God. Even on their albums, you
can hear her off -key horribly. And that's the
best they could get out of her. That's the best
they could get out of her. You know, they hide
it with raw. Untouched. No, we know bad. Emotional.
We know bad. You know. Yeah. All right. Did you
know that Carlos Santana picked a fight with
Gene Simmons? Oh, my God. How would they have
any crossover whatsoever? I found this very odd.
I knew nothing about it either. Yeah. So, I consider
this a gem. Yeah. Because I don't think I'd ever
heard of that of you. No. Not once. So. get off
the stage the the time carlos picked that fight
with kiss gene simmons bassist and caused one
of the guitarists world's strangest feuds so
i guess it must be strange i never heard anything
about it so no feud in the history of rock is
stranger than the one between celebrated spiritually
driven electric guitar player and makeup clad
bass guitar player who wears seven inch platform
boots It's kind of alluding to what the problem
is. Yeah. Yes, we're talking about Carlos Santana
and Gene Simmons. Carlos was in a much less positive
frame of mind in 2005 when it came to Kiss, and
in particular, Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons is
a good basis. I don't know why people dog on
him all the time. Look, I think the guy's an
asshole. Yes. I think he speaks out a term constantly.
Certainly, the character he plays on stage and...
as his bass player persona and on his reality
shows, it's an image of... Arrogance. Arrogance,
misogyny. Which he stopped. Yeah, I mean, whatever...
He had to. It may have been somewhat true, or
I'm sure he played it up for his public appearances.
Just like the gay rumors. So I'm sure that...
And attacking him as a bad bass player was just
part of the hate that was piled on him at the
time. Yeah. But no, he was a good player. I can
point it out in one bass lick. I Was Made for
Loving You. Oh, yeah. That is one hell of a bass
lick. That is. To get that rhythm down constant
like that, he plays it in concert like that.
It's really good. Yeah. I don't think a lot of
basses can do that. They don't have that type
of timing. and also talent in their fingers.
Yeah, and then sing at the same time, dance around
on 7 -inch platform shoes, spit blood. You always
hear about what a horrible musician he is. I
disagree. Now, you could say that about his singing,
maybe. He's not a great singer, but he does an
okay job. He does an okay job. You could say
that about his singing, and I'd be like, okay,
I kind of get it. But his bass playing, no. I
think he's fine. But anyhow, yes, we're talking
about Carlos Santana and Gene Simmons. Carlos
was in a much less positive frame of mind in
2005. When it came to Kiss in particular, he's
not a musician, he's an entertainer, the guitarist
declared. A musician is Coltrane, Bob Marley.
Kiss is Las Vegas entertainment. So he wouldn't
know what music is anyway. And that's why he
wears all that garb. Wow. I can't believe that
Santana said this. What does he care? You know,
when I was much, much younger, I had that same
feeling of, well, if they have to... dress up
and put all the splash and show on, then there
must not be much to the music. Totally wrong.
It has nothing to do with it. It's sure your
kiss is an entertainer, so is Carlos Santana.
If he's not an entertainer, then quit charging
people to hear your music or buy your albums.
Exactly. If you're a musician, then just go perform
music. If you're charging money, you're an entertainer.
I've got a great example. Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah?
If people went by talent, Dio would have won
out crazy on everything. Dio's the guy. Oh, yeah,
yeah. Ozzy's a clown. And nobody would have ever
paid attention to Neil Young because dude cannot
sing. No, he can't. Neither can Bob Dylan. People
love Bob Dylan and they love his music, love
his songs. Dude couldn't sing very well. No.
And his voice is obnoxious and irritating to
a lot of people. To me, it is. Yeah. Okay, Simmons
hides his talent beneath costumes and makeup.
A musician doesn't need a mask or mascara. There's
a difference between an entertainer and a musician.
Even so, it wasn't an unusual statement coming
from a guitarist, better known for his messages
of love and peace. Santana must really hate Alice
Cooper and... Yeah, that's what I was thinking,
too. And all those guys. Ghost and... Was that
Thunder? It sounded like it. It sounded like
it. It looks like it's raining way over there.
Oh, it does? All right, cool. Oh, we're on a
metal table. Yay. With a metal roof over our
heads. Hey, if we suddenly shut up, and you hear
what can happen, I hope this gets released. Yes.
It won't. No one will do it. They'll be like,
I'm not touching that. No, no. What is that?
No, no. Get the biohazard label. Get the sledgehammer.
All right. Simmons' response was surprisingly
diplomatic. He said, not everybody likes the
same meal. Yeah? You know, he's entirely right
on that. Besides, the bassist couldn't entirely
object to what Santana said. It is getting ready
to rain. Feel that wind coming in from the east
suddenly? Yeah, yeah. I think we can hear it
through the mic. Something's brewing. It's all
right. We'll be all right. Okay. Well, anyhow,
he admitted that from the start. Kiss aimed to
bring a more entertaining element to music and
especially stage performance. It was something
he and Kiss co -founder Paul Stanley felt was
sorely missing from American rock and roll, but
not from the British acts that the two musicians
so deeply loved and admired. And I agree. They
brought back something that hadn't been there
in a long time. So, and also, that is so correct.
You know, you can play however you want. The
Ramones, people love them. Yeah. Okay? So you
can play however you want. That's not the thing.
Their image is another thing, and their image
sold a hell of a lot of albums. It did. If you
had Kiss without any makeup, you wouldn't have
had a successful band. No, and that's a perfectly
valid thing to use in order to sell. And seriously,
if Carlos Santana wants to make the distinction
between musician and entertainer, not only should
Carlos quit charging people, he should quit using
a light show. I agree. He should quit having
choreographed movements on stage. He should quit
arranging the musicians on stage to be pleasing
to the audience because it has nothing to do
with the music. I agree. He is being an entertainer.
What he's objecting to is the level at which
Kiss took it to. And I think Gene Simmons was
brilliant to point out very nicely and politely,
he's like, Okay, that's his opinion, and I've
heard it, and I understand. And basically, he's
like, that's one person's opinion, and I'm going
to take it as one person's opinion. I don't care
if it's Carlos Santana or Fred the Laundry Guy.
It was actually the best answer you could give.
I know. It was perfect. Look, I love that stuff.
I always have. I love Ozzy, Alice Cooper, all
of the big shows I've always loved because not
only did I like music. But I liked entertainment.
Did Carlos Santana hate Pink Floyd? Because they
put on a hell of a light show. I think we're
going to get some rain, don't you? I think it's
coming in. All right. Okay. Well, there goes
my lawn. Yeah. All right. So the thing that we
liked was English music. Simmons told Rick's
Rubin Telegram Nation podcast, The Kinks and
the Stones. American bands just weren't writing
that kind of music, and the American bands didn't
look that way. I agree. Especially Jimmy Page
and Zeppelin. The guitar was worn way down on
the crotch. He was right. They'd hit a chord
for no reason whatsoever. That's what I went
into last one about how Jimmy Page, one of his
best solos on, Trampled Underfoot, I think it
was. It sounds like he just threw his guitar
on the ground. Yeah. And it sounds great. It
went into exactly what they're doing. And for
whatever reason... his hand would swing up in
the air, which he did. I love the way he describes
this because I know what he's talking about.
And a lot of guys would be doing the Jesus Christ
pose. Yeah. It's true. American bands didn't
do that. They were more theatrical, and British
rock was more theatrical and grand, and it was
glamorous. And that's the end of that article.
And I remember Alice Cooper saying that he looked
at the rolling, he looked at the Beatles and
thought, wow, what power. And then he saw the
rolling stones and he thought, wow, they make
the Beatles look like school children. Yeah.
And he came up with the idea, so I bet I can
come up with something that makes the stones
look pretty wimpy. Yes, and that's what a lot
of this came from. It's like, oh, you think you're
shocking? Well, watch this. Alice started with
the theatrics and the stage show. He was an art
major. He went to college as an art major, not
as a vocalist. And the music was his method of
getting that stage show out. And who cares? It
works. And considering that Santana... opened
his mouth the other day about uh oh genders yeah
i'm glad you said stepped his foot in that it's
like okay there's a lot of people agree with
you there's a lot of people don't agree with
you but pretty much everyone agrees that saying
something out loud was stupid because it did
no good whatsoever to his career he's trying
to be polarizing but the problem is is it was
yeah And Alice Cooper did that, too, basically
on the same lines of, you know, there should
just be boys and girls and nothing in between
and quit confusing the kids. And Alice got slapped
down hard, and he learned his lesson. He never
went there again? No, he's quit speaking out
like that in public. Yeah. You know, if you want
to talk to him about golf or God or rock and
roll, he's all over that. Yeah, he's all over
it. He's a born -again Christian, by the way.
Yes. Okay, do you have something to go into?
Yeah, I wanted to make a correction for the last
Music Creeps. I finally figured out who Alice
Cooper's lead guitarist is. Oh, who is it? It's
a guy. I thought it was a girl because I just
got one blurry image. He has long blonde hair
and wears a lot of makeup and acts kind of effeminate.
I don't know if that's who he is or if it's a
gimmick or whatever. That's a long ways away
from Kane Roberts. Yeah. But anyway, since I
misgendered him, I expect libtards to come and
burn my house down. But his name is Jossie Hughes.
Jossie is spelled G -Y -A -S -I. And his last
name is spelled H -E -U -S, which I'm presuming
is Hughes, which is kind of the European slash
German way of pronouncing it, or Scandinavian,
et cetera. He looks like he's probably from Norway
or something. He's tall and skinny and blonde
and very pale. But apparently he's this awesome
lead guitarist, and that's who they tapped. for
this album called The Revenge of Alice Cooper.
Okay. Okay, cool. I mean, I don't know who he
is, but I know he's going to be talented. There
are actually some music videos out there of him
performing with a different band. So I'm going
to go check a few of those out. Yeah, I will
too. The Kane Roberts stuff, I don't know. I
mean, I don't know where that came from because
I can't find that article. Yeah, I saw it a while
back. like you and then it disappeared. The last
thing I saw was that Orianthe either is or isn't
playing some dates with Alice due to scheduling
conflicts or maybe it was Nina Strauss' conflicts.
Nina Strauss is doing her own thing and she just
got married. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Orianthe
was going to fill in. Then she had a conflict
and Kane Roberts filled in. Yeah, that was it.
And now I think Kane Roberts is going out again
and somebody else is filling in. And I think
people speculated that he was going to be on
the album when all he was doing was like Orianthe
and Anita Strauss filling the role. Yeah, yeah.
The touring musician. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay, you
got anything more? That was pretty much all I
can think of off the top of my head. Okay, I've
got more. I'm prepared this time. Excellent.
All right. Rumors keep swirling about a reunion
of Deep Purple for one final show. Wow. And there's
a reunion. It's everybody from the MK1. Well,
no, no, MK2. MK1 was with Mike Evans, the original
lead singer. Talk about Ian Gillen, Pace, Glover,
Blackmore. John Lord passed away. Yeah. So I
think it's Sinclair. Is it Sinclair? No, Don
Airy. Yeah. Don Airy. Okay, so all this put together
would be the surviving members plus a guy that's
been with the band for a long time because John
Ward passed away. Yeah. So rumors have been hot
and heavy again of this alleged reunion because
Richie Blackmore said, and this is from like
three years ago he said this, he said, I would
be open to a reunion. I think this was combined
with them doing their long, slow goodbye tour,
and the dates are starting to slow down, and
they're starting to come few and far between,
and they're done with Europe, and now they're
coming back to the U .S. for a few shows, and
it looks to be like the end of the long, slow.
I mean, Ian Gillen is almost 83. Yeah, it's amazing.
Yeah. I'm thinking that they're going to be wrapping
it up, and they know this. I mean, how about
Ian Pace still drumming like he does? Oh, this
guy's a monster. Yeah, something else. And, you
know, that's pretty smart. If it's going to be
your last tour last time, why work yourselves
to death? Slow down and enjoy it. It'll be something
you can look back on as like, oh, man, that last
three months was awesome because we took our
time, we rested, we relaxed. I mean, at this
point, who cares if you make money or not? Just
enjoy the experience. Yeah, yeah. And I think
that that's what's going on. I think that's what
fueled this again because I can find no supporting
evidence except three years ago when he said,
I would be open to doing a finale show with all
the guys. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it seems like Blackmore
is making a lot of effort to mend fences, rebuild
bridges, whatever metaphor you want to use. He's
getting older. He had a heart attack. Yeah. That
happens. People start, you know, when I'm older,
that guy that almost killed us. I'd probably
just shake it off and go, oh, fuck, that guy's
a stupid ass. But right now I'm a little bit
younger. I've got a little piss and finger left
in me. I want to beat his ass. So there's a difference
right there. He's looking at his life. He's 80
-something. And he knows that his shadow is longer
than his days ahead of him. And that's just life.
That's the way it is. I've heard some other musicians
who were real divas in their heyday. And they're
different now. And now they can't get anybody
to work with them, and they just can't make any
money in music because everyone's sick of them.
One guy that comes to mind is a Canadian singer
-songwriter named, not Canadian, I'm going to
say Brian Adams is Canadian. This is Ryan Adams.
Brian Adams, yeah. He was kind of at the forefront
of the alt -country movement. The y 'all -ternative.
Yeah, y 'all -ternative stuff, yeah. He was in
a band called Whiskey Town. He was in a band
called The Cardinals. And he also released stuff
solo. But he had this reputation of being so
difficult to work with and such a pain in the
ass and just mean and insulting. And eventually
everyone just gave up on him. And a couple years
ago, I think it was right before COVID, he was
like, I'm out of money. I'm out of work. No one
will return my calls. He put out this public.
message in like a new york magazine or newspaper
said i i need work i'm willing to work with anybody
please you know my attitude is different i'm
not the guy i used to be i would really like
to get some work and work in music again i haven't
heard anything from him i think people just ignored
him he was more than difficult from what i read
yeah he was hateful yeah um accusative All this
stuff that you cannot stand in a person. He'd
go out of his way to hurt you. Not just to get
his way, but to actually beat you down and hurt
you while he was doing it. And I would say by
all that, he doesn't mean what he's saying. He
just wants money. Yeah, could be. He doesn't
want to go fucking wash dishes or whatever. Yeah.
Number one, he was going to have to give up the
booze because he was a mean drunk. He was a mean
drunk, yeah. And number two, he's going to have
to show that he's gone through a lot of... counseling
and therapy, etc., to control himself. It's okay
to think those things in your head if you want
to, but control yourself. So, okay, anyhow, Deep
Purple, all of the remaining members of Deep
Purple, except the guitarist, and I forgot his
name, because he has no skin in the game. He
replaced Blackmore after the guy that replaced
Blackmore. The only one I can think of is Steve
Morse. No, there's another guy after Steve Morse.
Yeah, he wasn't with... deeper hole that long.
And I don't know if Steve Morris is coming back
or not. But anyhow, the guy that replaced Steve
Morris, the replacement for Blackmore, is in
there. He has no skin in the game. But all the
rest of them said, no, we're not open to it.
We don't want to do it. We don't like what he
did. And I guess he had a lot of blow -ups and
scream -outs and stuff, and they don't want anything
to do with him. And they have that right. He
obviously had some issues or something with them.
So, okay. Yeah, I can get that. There's people
I don't want to reunite with no matter what the
upside is. It's like, nah. Same here. It's peaceful
right here where I am. I ain't letting them back
in. I have people and part of my life that I
just assume not exist. Yeah. I don't think about
them. I don't want to think about them. And I'm
a much happier person without them. Yeah. So.
I get that. I definitely get that. That being
said, there's a double -sided coin. Okay. They
already said no way. Glenn Hughes was MK4, something
like that, lined up at Deep Purple. He was with
David Coverdell, and they filled in or replaced
Ian Gillen and Roger Glover. Yeah. Okay. They
did very well. They did some good albums like
Stormbringer and Burn. So they did relatively,
they had a pretty successful run with them. It's
still a really good band. Yeah, definitely. I'm
leaning back too much. I'm sorry. Oh, no, that's
fine. So Rainbow was a band that Richie Blackmore
formed after Leaving Deep Purple. Yeah. And it
was very successful, too. Yeah, it's weird. It
got poppy kind of for a while, didn't it? Yeah,
it did. Since you've been gone, there's a real
pop tune. Well, when he came from Dio and all
the mystical and all that, like... Oh, 20th century
green sleeves. Yeah. Hail to the King. All this
stuff is about medieval lore and all that stuff.
And they had Dio singing in it, of course. So
it went from like power, almost metal, to crotch
rock. Yeah. Yeah. And then Joe Lynn Turner came
aboard, and they became more American -friendly
airwaves. They hit really big in America when
before Rainbow did not hit that. It was not that
well received in America. Yeah. So. They did
a rainbow reunion, Richie Blackmore wanted to,
for a few shows and a couple of songs. He did
a couple of songs. This is before COVID. Oh,
yeah. Maybe 2018, something like that, in that
time frame. And Glenn Hughes said, when he was
talked about this and said, would you have any
interest in doing this with Blackmore or anybody?
And he goes, well, he goes, all I can tell you
is this. Back when Blackmore, a few years ago,
Reignited Rainbow for a couple of songs and a
slight tour. And they're all in England, by the
way. Every show was in England. He hired a new
guy named Ronnie Romero. And Joe Lynn Turner
wanted to be a part of it. He said no. He actually
contacted Glenn Hughes first. And he said, would
you want to be a part of this? Glenn Hughes said,
yeah, you know, I wouldn't mind doing that. And
he never got back to him. So Glenn Hughes is
merely stating. Just because Blackmore says he
wants to doesn't mean he's going to. That's true.
He's like testing the waters. Yeah, yeah. And
then he wants to back out maybe and go, I don't
want to do it. So maybe like a final get back
or whatever, whatever their problems were or
something, or just being him, being fickle. You
know, wind's out of the west. I can't do that
now. I was looking for a hair tie. Oh, no, no.
That's what I thought was really interesting
was the fact that. Everyone was blaming Deep
Purple. Yeah. Saying, we don't want anything
to do with this. You know, quite frankly, we
don't like the guy. Yeah. Okay? I get it. And
people are going, well, do it for the fans. They're
like, no, I don't think so. And then that's when
Glenn Hughes, when he was asked about it, he
said, well, he goes, my experience was this.
He told me to come on over and then slam the
door. You know? You know, it's funny you said
do it for the fans. It was Roger Daltrey who
was in the news again for... yelling at somebody
in the audience. Oh, yeah. But it turns out it
was all just kind of a joking thing. Oh, was
it? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Because The
Who was recently in the news when they fired
and then rehired the drummer. Oh, yeah. And said,
oh, that was all a mistake. But this was one
where Daltrey was, it was like between songs
and a woman in the audience was yelling, play
pinball wizard, play pinball wizard. And he's
like, you don't get it. I'm like the worst pinball
player ever. trying to make a joke about that.
And then she kept heckling him to play Pinball
Wizard. And then he grinned real big and said,
I really like it if you just shut the fuck up
about Pinball Wizard. I ain't playing it. And
it got a big laugh. And then he said, seriously,
I can't sing that way anymore and I just can't
do it. So we're not playing it. That was a power
vocal. Yeah, yeah. It's funny how he said he
was becoming Tommy because he's going deaf and
blind. Yeah, yeah. And now we find out he can't
play pinball. No, no. All right. Anyhow, go ahead.
I'm sorry. No, but so he went on. I think she
yelled a couple more times, but he just kind
of let it go. But the headline made it seem like
he went off on somebody and was cussing her out.
But then you read the article, and it was just
like. No big deal. That woman probably went home
and told all of her friends about her great experience
at the Who concert. It's kind of like Play Some
Skinner. A lot of bands laugh. Some bands do
it. They'll do a couple of licks and go, there
you go. I saw a band that they had this troll
that was following them from the state of the
city and yelling, Play Some Skinner, dude. Yeah,
that guy has a name, and I can't think of his
name. Anyhow, he was famous for going, Free Bird!
Yeah. So this band, they said, what was it, play
some Skinner? And he's like, yeah, play some
Skinner, man. And so they all got together and
talked for a minute or so, and the audience was
getting restless. And they said, okay, because
that guy wants to hear some Skinner, we're going
to try to learn one real quick, so just bear
with us. And they sat there and they wasted the
audience's time for about three or four or five
minutes. And every time that he gets them booing
and heckling, they say, oh, no, don't worry,
because that guy back there, he wanted us to
hear some Skinner. So we're going to, for that
guy right back. And they kept pointing him out.
Eventually, the crowd turned on the guy and ran
him out. And they never had to worry about him
in another concert again. That is fucking brilliant.
Isn't it? It's like, hang on, hang on, guys.
This guy. Who we don't know. He's in charge.
Yeah, so hang on. You guys just shut up. Let's
learn the Skynyrd song. Now, did you say, is
that an open chord? What is that you're doing
there? Yeah, you could hear it was like, is that
an A? It goes from the A to the C. It was so
fun. They got YouTube out. They're going, okay,
now this guy here is saying we got to do this.
I love it. Yeah. All right, so that one's put
to bed. Deep Purple reunion, not going to happen.
You want to see them, see them now is what I'm
saying. I saw them two times on their final drive
that came near me. You were with me on one of
them. Yeah, in St. Louis, yeah. And I thought
that was a pretty fine concert. Yeah, I really
enjoyed that. And Alice Cooper opened up, did
a very good job like he always does. It's the
same show, but we love it. Yeah, yeah. He's pretty
much got the same set list, and he works in a
few new ones here and there. Yeah, you've got
the guillotine, you've got the hooker that he
stabs at, all this stuff. The monsters. The monsters,
all that. Yeah, he's publicly stated. It's like
the audience wants the old stuff, so that's why
I give them every single time. And that's how
Cummy always finishes with I'm 18. Yep. For School's
Out. For School's Out, yeah. Yeah, that's the
big intro and solo song. Everyone gets a solo,
everyone gets an intro on School's Out. Yeah.
You and I don't really care for that. I mean,
it's a good song, but we'd rather not hear it.
I'm 18. He only does a little bit of in a medley.
Yeah, that's right. So you and I don't want to
hear it, but we're better fans than that. We
don't hear it on 101 The Fox, just driving home.
We actually actively look at his stuff. I've
got a box set I think you'd be interested in.
I'll bring it over one time. It's called The
Life and Crimes of Alice Cooper. Oh, I've heard
of that. Oh, it is fantastic. I forgot. I was
looking through my stuff the other day. I'm like,
oh, shit, Topher would fucking freak out on this.
I would, definitely. I'll bring it over one day.
Cool. Yeah. And it has a lot of stuff on there.
I'll let you borrow it if you want. It has a
lot of stuff on there, unreleased and stuff like
that. Very good box set. Yeah. It would be wrong
of me to make a digital copy while I had it.
Oh, no, no. I know you're not going to do that.
I promise I won't do that. I knew that. That
goes without saying. We don't break the law here
at Music Creeps. And we always tell the truth.
Yes. Ask us. Hang on. Hey, Topher. Yes. Do we
always tell the truth? Yes, we do. There you
go. I have some Soundgarden news. Oh, okay. Yeah.
This is something that you and I fucking are
very strongly about, our love for Soundgarden.
Yeah. And how we know there's unreleased music
out there and we want to hear it. Yeah, I've
been hearing about Chris Cornell's widow and
the rest of the band having discussions. Well,
the same thing's going on. Vicky Cornell. Yeah,
Vicky. Is fighting with the rest of Soundgarden.
And I do think that there's animosity involved.
Yeah. Because I've read some... whether they
were true or not, I don't know, it was internet,
that she alludes to Soundgarden was his downfall.
Yeah, I remember hearing that too, and especially
that last concert they went on to, she said,
I knew it was a bad idea, and it wouldn't be
good for him, and you probably... She was against,
she was fit to be against that tour. Yeah, yeah.
So that's bad blood between her and the band.
Basically, she feels like the band profited off
using up... her husband's life until he had nothing
left. You see, they thought he was going to go
longer, but he didn't. I was at the next and
last show at Starlight Theater, and I mentioned
you, and you brought up something very interesting.
He was so happy and joyful and just having fun
and singing his ass off. I looked him out, and
I go, that guy's mid -50s. He's not going to
do this all tour. There's no way. There's like
30 fucking dates on this. There's no way he can
do that. No humanly way possible. And I was wondering
about that. I'm like, what's he going to do?
He can't be doing this for the whole tour. Right
now, we're on the early leg of it. He's still
fresh. Yeah. And then in Detroit, right after
the show, you know, he hung himself, allegedly.
Yeah. And you said he was fine because he had
his mind made up. Yeah. He was going to do it.
He'd made a decision, and all the turmoil and
torment and the back and forth was settled. And
he's like, okay. Now I've made up my mind. It's
settled. I can enjoy this. And that's not an
uncommon sign with people. If they're struggling
with something, once they became suddenly peaceful
and calm, you're like, oh, okay, they've made
a choice. You see, I had it completely opposite.
I was like, how can a guy be that happy? He was
relieved. Yeah. And he didn't do it in Kansas
City because he grew up partially in Kansas City,
which nobody knew until that night. He was talking
about the old Broadway Bridge. Yeah. And he comes
down and he goes, I remember Kansas City well.
My grandparents lived there. He said, I used
to go there every summer. We'd go by that one
green bridge. And everyone's like, ah, you know.
And so he spent some time in Kansas City. And
that's why he didn't do it here. Yeah. That's
why he waited until Detroit. He had his mind
made up here because he was having a blast. He
brought a kid up on stage and gave him some swag
and signed him. And the kid was just ecstatic.
And his dad was down there going, yeah, you know.
And I'm like going, wow, this is fucking cool.
And then, you know, the next thing I hear of
Al tells me, I'm like, what? That's not fucking
possible. He did not. That's bullshit. I kept
saying fake news. Yeah. But it's not. I mean,
it's a fairly common and known thing. Depressed
people can get to the point where. Death isn't
scary at all, but life sure is. So that's a tipping
point. Life is scarier than death. Yeah, you
wake up in the morning and you become awake and
aware, and you're like, oh shit, I've got to
struggle through another day. And then it's just
so crushing. It's like, how can I make it through
this whole other day? And the idea of actually
having to exist for a whole other day until you
can sleep again. gets to be more than you can
bear. You know, after he killed himself, and
I'm bringing this up because of what you just
said, I started researching a little bit more
because I was really confused about it. I'm like,
okay, how could a guy that happy do that right
after? I started looking at his old material.
The day I tried to live exemplifies exactly what
you're talking about, the turmoil. Yeah. People
knew. In that video, everything was upside down.
He kept trying to climb a rope and put it around
his neck. But then when he let go to hang himself,
it would flip images to where he just hit a floor.
He was talking about everyday struggling with
trying to kill himself. And people knew it, but
they were profited off of it. He somehow got
through that. And this is back when he was married
to Silver. Is it Susan Silver? Was it Susan Silver
or something like that? That sounds right. Yeah,
yeah. She was a concert promoter. I think maybe
something had to do something with Soundgarden.
But anyhow, a newly published conversation with
Rolling Stone, Soundgarden guitarist Kim Thall,
who we both admire the piss out of that guy.
Excellent guitarist. So underrated, criminally
underrated. That guy is so good. I call him like
a modern -day Jimmy Page for what he does. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, he is driving and relentless. He's
just everything I love in a good guitarist. So,
by some artists, he feels who have been criminally
overlooked by the institution and several other
related topics. And this is what Thal is saying.
Okay. The discussion also touched upon the possibility
of Soundgarden once again hitting the live stage.
during their introduction into the Hall of Fame
this fall. Very deserved. They missed it last
time. They missed it two times. They should have
gotten a first ballad, no questions asked. Yeah,
I would say so. Yeah, that pissed me off because
if any band deserved it, Soundgarden is a perfect
example of someone who left their mark on music.
Yeah. You know, and was changing. They changed
the whole landscape. Yes. So, the group would
be performing at the event. Of course, they need
a lead singer. He said, I think so if they want
us to. It seems that an invitation is there.
It's up to the hall to how many develop their
program. But we love to play there. Our discussions
haven't gone that deep yet. But you could probably
look at the people that Matt, Ben, and I have
played with over the past handful of years going
back to the Chris Cornell Tribute Concert in
2019. There's a few people who performed with...
with us that you could say, that guy could definitely
do it because of their past maturity. Yeah. Late
last year, the surviving member of the band's
classic lineup reunited for a benefit gig with
Shania Shepard and Duff McKagan filling in on
vocals. Duff McKagan. Wow. Shania Shepard, is
she a folk? I don't know. I'm not really familiar
with that. I'm not either. I'll have to get back.
When Shepard's performance was brought up to
Thal in this new chat, he replied, yeah, she's
great, and she's local, wherever that is. I think
everyone we played with is super talented. We
have a trust in their ability and affection for
their love of our work and our love of their
work. I think the best I can say is look at the
people we've worked with over the past five years,
and then I can take a note from what Nirvana
did when they went in and they had... three or
four different singers perform with him. So I
think that's the best idea right there. You take
four people that were really into Chris Cornell,
that really admired him, and you have them do
it. Yeah, yeah. There was a movie about Bob Dylan
made a while back where they had a number of
different actors play Bob Dylan at different
points in his life. In the Ozzy concert coming
up, they're going to have musicians moving in
and out and doing bits. Somebody's going to be
singing for Ozzy when he can. This all makes
perfect sense. It does. And these are people
that are uber fans. Yeah. And a lot of them are
uber talented. Some of them are just talented.
Yeah. Okay. But they're rabid fans, and that's
why they're there. They paid their own ticket.
You know why? And they're not getting paid for
it because it's a benefit. Yeah. They said 100
% of the proceeds goes to Alzheimer's and I think
some children's charity. Shows how much they
want to do it, want to be part of it. I found
it interesting that Jakey Lee paid to be there.
Oh, wow. Did he get an invite? Or did he just
say, I'll be there? He might have called up and
said, if I pay my way, will you put me in? I
want to be a part of this. You know what? He's
trying to get back into the music scene. Yeah.
He notoriously had some, it sounds like, drug
issues. And he had some personal issues. Maybe
he was really burnt out on music. Yeah. But I'll
tell you what. Layla, I've been watching old
videos of him playing with Ozzy. That guy, he
was phenomenally talented. He could play. Oh,
my gosh, yeah. He can still play to some degree,
but back then he could really play. No, he can't
play like he used to. Yeah. But Ace Frehley said
it best. He goes, nobody can. No. He said anybody
from that era cannot play like they used to.
It's impossible. You just can't. I mean, it's
physical wear on your body. Eddie Van Halen,
if he is alive, he wouldn't be able to play like
he did. Yeah, that's... That's one of the things
that's sad about him passing is I want to see
what he would have turned into. I would have
loved to, too. You slow him down a little bit
and change his music style a little bit and see
what he comes up with. And imagine what Eddie
would have been able to put out if he wasn't
in a band that tour. Just go write music that
you like, perform it, get it right, and release
it, and that's it. Oh, man. We would have had
awesome stuff. It hurts my heart knowing that
that will never happen. Yeah. Because I'm so
passionate about that. I would love to hear that
music, but it's never going to come to fruition.
And these albums, I'm sorry. These albums that
Alex Van Halen talks about. of like four or five
of them, this is shit on the floor. This is stuff
that didn't make the cut for the albums, wasn't
good enough to be on an album. It's like Led
Zeppelin CODA. Do you remember CODA? No. I remember
not buying it. Yeah, I remember not buying it,
too. Why? Because it was shit on the floor, and
the record company said, you owe us one more
album. And they said, well, we're not going to
do it without John Bonham. So they said, well,
let's look around. Hey, I found this thing. Put
it on there. Yeah, some are pretty bad recordings,
too. Matter of fact, there's a lot of rumor going
around that they didn't play on it either. I
mean, the original recording was the original
recording, but being spruced up, they weren't
even there. Yeah. So, I mean, maybe Robert Plant.
It was just kind of a manufactured album. Yes.
So this is stuff laying on the floor that they're
sweeping up, so I have no faith in that at all.
Okay, the Fate of Soundgarden's final album was
also broached. The album has been marred in legalities.
with the band's camp and the estate of their
late vocalist guitarist Chris Cornell on opposing
sides. At the heart of that matter were a number
of unreleased songs Cornell was said to have
been working on for the album prior to his passing.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's too bad because there's
more material they're working on. Yeah. Those
tracks are allegedly the writing credits for
past legal filings, included, however, ownership.
and intention as well as several other caveats
surrounding how the final release would be handled
bogged down the process of getting those songs
into the hands of the public back in april 2023
it seemed that everything had finally been hammered
out i remember that and said okay it's going
to come out now with an agreement been reached
between the two parties however november of that
year found the band's drummer matt cameron stating
that the band's dispute with cornell's estate
was still an ongoing concern Since then, there
hasn't been much word on the fate of that outing.
When asked in this new chat if he felt the album
was eventually going to see the light of day,
Kim Thal replied, I think so. Our objectives
and goal. So pretty much a non -answer. A definite
maybe. Yeah, a definite maybe. I think so. Our
objective and goal is always to complete that.
I probably have OCD enough to not want to leave
something unfinished or incomplete like that.
So I think the more we can attend to our body
of work and our catalog, I think everyone in
the band feels the same way. I don't just want
to attend to my work, but the collective work,
in this case specifically, and the work of Chris,
to honor him. Yeah, you want to do it right if
you're going to do it. So many other bands have
just done the Cash Grab last album and it sucks.
Well, this one right here is the first one I
heard where they're talking about honoring and
intentions. Yeah. So I think they're getting
past the bad feelings and the hurtness and all
that. That is a hopeful sign, yeah. Yeah, it
is. I don't blame Vicki for being irritated at
the band because I'm sure that she feels like
they could have seen stuff happening. And maybe
they did. Maybe they tried. Maybe her view is
completely different from what they saw. But
there is a history of using a person's torment
to continue to write good songs and give good
performances. Yes. Do you remember Scott Weiland
of Stone Temple Pilots? Uh -huh. When he finally
kicked heroin, he wrote an album that really
wasn't very good. Yeah, and then he went back
to it and he killed himself. Well, I mean, not...
Not intentionally. Right, right. But the implication
is there and has been strongly suggested that
he went back on heroin so he could continue having
a music career. I've heard that several times.
The only person that could tell us that is him.
And, well, at least right now we can't ask him.
Yeah, that's true. And I'm fine with that. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. We'll just do the guessing game.
We'll knock three times and Scott Weiland shows
up. Don't say his name three times. Biggie Smalls,
Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls. Oh, shit. Hey,
you can tell us who killed him. Who killed Tupac?
Oh, he's still alive. Oh, okay. I don't know.
Anyhow, you got anything? I mean, that's pretty
much all I have. Okay, one thing I, a little
update on. A while back I talked about how I
used to have Amazon Prime for music. And then
when I suspended my membership, all the albums
that I downloaded through Amazon Prime became
unavailable. Even the ones that I had bought.
Even the ones you bought? Even the ones I bought.
Did they credit you? No. That's bullshit. So
it was like I would buy a CD. And get the physical
copy. And then they would let me download the
MP3s so I didn't have to make my own. Those are
the ones that disappeared. I discovered they're
actually still on my phone is they're very well
hidden. You've seen occasionally in Windows where
it says you have hidden files and read -only
files and protected files. Well, I guess these
are hidden files. Because if I specifically search
for... the title of the song, .mp3, it finds
it on my phone. And I can actually play it from
there. But no kind of music app will find it
on my phone because Amazon Prime turned them
all into hidden files. And that's my punishment
for not giving them the monthly rent payment
that they were used to. They punished me by taking
away that music to the extent that they could.
The fuckery that goes on with all these subscriptions
and these upsells is insane. The average consumer
ought to just, no matter what, just say, we don't
care. We're not doing it anymore. Well, that's
something I've started asking at places where
they, you know, do you want the extended warranty
for an extra $1 .99 a month? I'll ask them, is
there a one -time charge I can pay? Or does it
have to be a monthly payment that never ends?
And I make them tell me that it's a monthly payment
that never ends. It's like, then I don't want
it. It's something I can pay for once and own.
Okay. But if I'm paying monthly, it's rent and
I don't rent. Yep. So. Of course, there's a lot
I'm going to miss out on, but that's my choice,
isn't it? Yes. I'm okay missing out on stuff.
You choose not to partake in that. Yeah. I choose
not to participate. There we go. I just thought
it was entertaining that Amazon Music had gone
to that length to hide that music from me. I
know, and it's just so evil. Yeah. Okay, I guess
we're pretty much wrapped up on that one. So,
once again, man, thank you guys for listening.
We really, really appreciate you. Yes, yes. Please
tell everybody and go fuck yourself.