Okay. Okay. I can hear you now. Okay. The Wi
-Fi has not been good on this whole cruise, so
I don't know how well this is going to work,
but we can give it a try while it's working.
Sure. Okay. All right. Whenever you're ready
to go, let me know. We're ready now. And also,
I have no information here, so go ahead and leave.
Okay. Well, something I just brought up is you
remember Steve Smith, the former Carolina Panthers
wide receiver? This is not Stephen A. Smith,
the guy on TV. This is Steve Smith, the former
Panthers wide receiver. He's just been sued under
the homewrecker law because apparently he's been
having an ongoing affair with somebody else's
wife. Not good at all. Not good at all. Let's
see what it says here. Let's see. Let me bring
the story up here. Okay. Alright. Smith, he's
now 45. And he's been an analyst for the NFL.
He's being sued by former Maryland police officer
and U .S. Army veteran Tony Martinez for allegedly
impeding on and breaking up a marriage's love
and affection by having an affair with Martinez's
wife, Nicole. She's a member of the Baltimore
Ravens marching band. So he's been hunting for
shorties at work. And that's not a good look.
The guy's an Army veteran and a police officer.
Yeah, yeah. So the guy's suing Stephen Smith
for $100 ,000. Yeah, it's a $100 ,000 lawsuit.
And it's kind of the homewrecker law or alienation
of affection kind of law, is what I would also
call it. Okay, one of those. Okay. So, yeah,
bad look for him. And this is on top of Shannon
Charlton, too. I have no sympathy for him at
all. He deserves to pay whatever they have on
him, you know, whatever they have on the victim.
Yeah. And maybe he needs to think about how he's
running his life after that from there on after,
right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's choices they're
making. And when you're in the public eye and
you depend on the public goodwill for your job,
then maybe don't go out there and screw things
up and be a ho -bag, you know? Yeah, exactly.
And I also think that the Carolina Panthers might
have a little reservation about doing anything
with them from here on out also. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a big part of the NFL player's career
is to maintain ties with the community and the
team. That helps them, you know, after they retire.
If he's burning those bridges, not a good thing.
Yeah, I don't think I'd buy insurance from him,
would you? No, no. In case anyone didn't know,
I am on a cruise right now. And the Wi -Fi connection
is horrible. We've done this before. And this
one, the Wi -Fi's not nearly as good as the last
one that we've done. So it's kind of spotty,
and then the quality's not that good. Hey, you
got your money's worth, right? That's true. And
plus, this is like a rare international edition
of the sports creeps, the sports bastards. Oh,
yeah, yeah, that's right. And we keep doing music
creeps, too. Yeah. So if it does that well, we'll
see. I kind of have my doubts about this Wi -Fi
because it goes out regularly. Yeah, we'll get
what we can. We'll keep it going while we can.
What do you think of the Chiefs draft? I'm okay
with it. I'm not blown away. I've seen some videos
on YouTube saying how the Chiefs have got an
F minus minus on their draft and everyone else
in the AFC West got an A plus. That video is
just trying to get my attention. I don't think
that's really true. Yeah. So I think decent on
O -tackle. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. I was saying
a lot of teams took offensive tackles before
the Chiefs were able to get their guy. So I'm
hoping that the one we got wasn't their, like,
fifth or sixth pick. This is the guy they really
wanted. Okay. From what I read on him, he's really
good. His question is his knee. Yeah. And, I
mean, other than that, they think he's probably
about as good as they had in the draft. He slid
because he has knee problems. And that's pretty
typical for the Chiefs. They'll find somebody
who's got lots of talent, lots of potential,
but is dinged up, and they'll take a chance that
they can make it back after their injury. This
is a regular thing for the Chiefs in the last
10, 15 years at least. Yeah. And I also look
for them to get some backup, too, in case this
doesn't work. Yeah, yeah. I think that they're
thinking the offense is – oh, go ahead. Yeah,
I was going to say offensive line was addressed.
They got a lot of defensive players, too. Did
you notice that? There was a lot on defense.
Edge rusher. Yeah, and I think they need them
because I think there are some glaring holes.
Yeah. And people are getting older. Contracts
are going to be expiring, so there's all sorts
of motivations towards getting a young, young,
different player. I've got a question. Have you
seen any of the articles, supposedly, out with
Jerry Snead maybe being traded back to the Chiefs?
Because I was talking to a gentleman in the ocean,
actually, yesterday at Kokomo Beach in Curacao,
and he is from Tennessee. He is a Titans fan,
and he's been hearing the same things that I've
been hearing. about the Titans aren't anywhere
close. They know they're not close. They're barely
rebuilding right now. They're thinking about
trading with Jerry and Steve back to the Chiefs
for a draft pick. You know, I would take him
back in the heartbeat. I would, too. I would,
too. So he's hearing that, too, over there, and
I've been hearing it. Have you read or heard
that? No, no, I haven't seen anything about that.
Maybe the Kansas City media is keeping it under
wraps for the time being, for whatever reason.
It could be, because they don't want any interference,
maybe, you know, they want this to go through.
Yeah. We'll see what happens, but I thought it
was interesting that he heard it, and I'd also
heard it too. So it's coming from somewhere.
Yeah. Interesting. So that would be great if
it happened. If not, I think they are hedging
their bets. They're like, you know, we've got
some cornerbacks that are younger ones that are
doing well, but we have some other ones that
are going to be moving on simply because of the
way the NFL is running, which I have no problems
with. It's much better than baseball. They're
not going to be able to keep them. There's no
way you could fit them underneath the cap of
the Kansas City Chiefs legally not doing something.
And if you get caught, then, you know, it's going
to have to happen. They're going to have to let
some of these guys go. And there's also some
things to think about that we're probably not
being made aware of yet. We've been talking about
how the NFL wants to do an 18th game, and that
may involve roster expansion. That may involve
practice squad expansion. There might be expansion
teams on the horizon. Now, the team owners would
be told of all of this stuff long before we would.
So they may be already making moves based on
an 18th game and expansion that we just don't
know about yet. We're like, why the hell are
they doing this? Well, they know more than we
do. about where the league is going, and they're
making plans for where it's going. So it may
look strange to us because we're not in the loop.
I agree with that 100%. And, you know, they don't
have a five -year plan. They probably have more
like a 50 -year plan. I imagine so, yeah. You
can't predict the technology that far in advance,
but you can make general plans on how you want
to grow, which markets you want to get into,
how you want to do things. Yeah. You see they're
coming out with the new rivalry jerseys now?
The rivalry jerseys? You heard of those? Uh -huh.
Yeah. Yeah, those, I like that idea a lot. Yeah,
special jerseys you wear when you play your rivals.
Two divisions are coming out for this coming
year, and then they're going to release two divisions
worth. each year until i guess for the next uh
what four years five years until they get them
all out um and of course there's you know the
usual comments of this is just a cash grab by
the nfl because they want to sell more jerseys
and you know which which it is but Of course.
The fans always have the choice, buy it or don't
buy it. It's like no one's holding a gun to your
head, no one's requiring you to buy it or they'll
kick you out of the game or anything like that.
So if you want it, buy it. If you don't want
it, don't buy it. But we're going to be forced
to see them on TV at least once a year from each
team. It's no different than any other sales
tactic in America going on by any other corporation.
Yeah, see, they tried this before with the Color
Rush jerseys, and nobody liked it. So this is
their second attempt at doing the exact same
thing, except now they're called Rivalry jerseys.
And if this doesn't work, then next time they'll
call it Hometown Pride jerseys or something.
They'll come up with a new name, and they'll
try it again and try it again. So it's just business
as usual. Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, they're just
going to keep doing it until they hit that one
magic sauce, and then they're going to run with
it. Yep. Oh, oh, oh. I also like what I'm reading
here, and not because this could sound weird,
but I love the national press. A lot of them
are picking the Chiefs, not even to win the Western
Division, but not even to be second, but maybe
third this year coming up. They're predicting
death and destruction and internal damnation
and terror and everything for them. And I love
it. I say bring it on. Because you know how many
times it's been wrong, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah,
this is just fuel for the fire. Heck yeah. Yeah.
The Mohawk is gone, and Mahomes' bad bod is gone.
He's on a mission. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's taking
it very seriously. I would not be surprised to
see Mahomes take a much stronger leadership role
this season. I think he's been kind of, you know,
he's definitely been a strong leader, but he's
also been the kind of guy of, you know, whatever
you want to do, live your life, I'm not going
to interfere. I think this time he's probably
going to take the attitude of, okay, everyone
needs to apply maximum effort because you're
letting everyone else down. You know, everyone's
counting on everyone. Nobody let anybody down.
Everybody give it all you got, and let's go stomp
somebody. I could see Mahomes taking that attitude.
Yeah, absolutely. And I could see Andy Reid taking
a step back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He was definitely
the boss. I'm sorry, go ahead. I was going to
say Andy Reid could definitely take a step back
from the leadership role and let Mahomes step
into that. And then Reid can be like the kindly
old father and that kind of stuff instead of
the hard ass. I don't know, a lot of players
don't really believe Andy is such a hard ass
because he really kind of isn't. But if Mahomes
gets in their face and says, step it up, you're
screwing up, we need this. People would probably
take that better from Mahomes than they would
from Andy. I agree 100%. And also, the guy with
three rings and has been there, what, five times
now or six times? Yeah. Five times, right? You
guarantee? Yeah, five times. Yeah. Yeah, he's
been in the league seven years. He's been there
five times. Only lost one playoff game ever in
the AFC. Yep. I think you're going to listen
to that guy. I think you're going to go, what
was that? Okay, yes, I'm on it right now. And,
you know, thanks for giving me a chance. And
Mahomes should definitely take advantage of it.
His volume of work, his leadership, everything,
none of it is in question. It's for idiots that
try to start shit up like the skip cards and
stuff like that. So, you know, there's always
going to be the people that are going to be taking
a shit on him. Because that's what they do. And
I was the same way with Brady, too. I have to
admit it. I was always the one that was going
to go, I think it's over. I think his time's
over. Well, I was wrong every fucking time, wasn't
I? Me, too. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's natural.
I think it's natural to be the guy to point out
that you picked out the fall of the Roman Empire.
Yeah. You know? You love to be that guy, go,
I told you first. Everyone else is saying that,
too. There's nothing special in it. You want
to be special, tell the truth. Say, hey, I think
these guys are not going to be back once, twice,
three. I think you're going to see them until
that guy fucking retires. Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, if you want to be honest. If I wanted to
be honest back then, I would have said that about
Brady, but I didn't want to be honest. I wanted
to be the guy that topped the scoop. I want to
be the Jimmy Olsen. Yeah, if you make bold predictions
often enough, one of them is going to come true,
and then you're going to look like a genius,
and they'll forget about all the ones you predicted
that didn't come true. Yeah, everybody wanted
to catch, you know, Jimmy Olsen was the guy.
He was like, I'm going to get a picture of him
when he's at home, and I'm going to bust it.
I know who, I'm going to figure this guy out.
Everybody wants to be Jimmy Olsen. There was
only one Jimmy Olsen, and he always walked around
with egg on his face. Yeah, and there's a joy
you get from spreading interesting and good news,
but ironically there's also a joy you get from
spreading disaster news or bad news, being the
first one to say, oh, yeah, he's out for the
season, or, you know, no, they didn't sign him,
they lost him. I mean, there's kind of a thrill
for that too, oddly enough. Oh, no, there is.
And then there's like all these rogue meteorologists
that are running around all over the country.
This is it. This is Armageddon. It's over. Over
5 ,000 tornadoes in Minnesota today. Yeah, I
see that YouTube channel. A boulder -sized hail.
You know, I mean, the weather is fucked, yes.
But they make it seem like there's going to be
like state swipers. And it's a natural thing.
You know, people go around and they make it bigger
than what it is. They make it bolder than what
it is. And they want to be behind it. They want
to be the person that found it out. Like gorilla
hail. Yeah. Have you heard that term? Gorilla
hail? Yeah. No. It's stuff like that, you know.
Gorilla hail. Yeah. And now, a lot of meteorologists
on TV have picked up on it. Oh, great. And it's
like, oh, okay. Well, you know, that's... That's
a pretty good little tagline, gorilla hail. That's
going to get everybody's neck to turning. You
know, they're sitting there having their sandwich
on their own. Gorilla hail? Turn that up, honey.
I got to tell you, I got to find out what the
hell this is. I want to get hit by you. Well,
I've noticed that just even the phone app I have
for weather has started lying to me because it's
figured out that if there are storms predicted,
then I check the weather a lot more often. So
now my phone weather app is predicting storms
all the time. And then as we get closer, the
chances dry up and go away. It's because the
storms were never coming anyway. It's just it's
figured out if they tell me that, then I'll keep
checking the app and I'll keep looking at their
ads. So I've learned that my phone app, I've
started comparing it to every other phone service
or every other weather service. And my phone
app predicts rain about three times more often
than... every other app out there. So it knows
what to tell me, what I want to hear to get me
interested. So when I look at stuff about the
NFL, I'm thinking the same thing. These are people
who want my attention. Whether it's true or not,
they just want me to click on their story. So
I've rejected a whole bunch of just patently
wrong and obviously false stories. But a few
of them are going to slip through. Yeah. I saw
the one about Shannon Sharp. Andy Reid makes
a shocking... Yeah, I get those all the time.
Andy Reid fires a player right on the sideline.
It's like, that never happened. Quit lying to
me. And they got a picture of Andy yelling or
something. Kind of like that. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
Did you hear the one about Shannon Sharp and
his little domestic troubles? Yes. You know,
I mean, I thought he was cleaner than that. I
don't know why I thought that, but I guess not.
I mean, I guess because he's so honest on TV.
Yeah. But I thought he was an honest person.
Yeah, well, there's so many men. Yeah, I've known
a lot of guys in my life that seem like they're
normal and in control kind of guys, but the moment
their penis says, I want it, they go. It just
doesn't matter. No matter what else they have
to lose, if their penis says, I want it, then
they do it. And I don't understand guys like
that, but I know there are a lot of them. Shannon
Sharp is really quick to... I think the athletes
are really prone to that. Yeah, absolutely. They're
used to getting their egos and other things stroked.
But did you notice that Shannon was really quick
to throw her under the bus and say, oh yeah,
she's OnlyFans, she's a whore on the internet.
So he was trying to destroy her reputation. It
didn't work. No, basically it just showed that
Shannon Sharp is one of those lonely guys beating
off in front of his computer to an OnlyFans page.
It's like, good luck for you, Shannon. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, it goes to you.
I mean, all of this TV stuff is TV stuff. And
we don't know these people. You know, we think
we do. They put on great acts. They smile. They
tell you they love you. They tell you they're
glad you're back. But at the end of the day,
I mean, they don't give a shit. You know, they're
there to feed themselves and nobody else. Yeah,
there are way more people who are interested
in Shannon Sharp because they can make money
being near him than actually care about him.
Now they're going to tell them they care about
them. Yeah, as soon as the stink's on, they're
like, there's a dozen other guys we can hook
up with and suck money out of them too, so bye
Shannon, we're going to go with this guy now.
Yeah, and if Shannon's lucky, sometime later
on, they'll get about it and come back to him
when all these other people get in trouble. Yeah,
what they've got to wait for is waiting for what
Shannon Sharp did to seem normal and average
and uninteresting. And then they can circle back
to him and say, oh yeah, he only did this, no
big deal. They've got to wait for us to get used
to this higher level of filth and nasty and corruption
from our athletes. It was kind of like, well,
Shannon did the same thing, but that was 10 years
ago, so we think he's different now. Yeah, yeah.
Let's go back to him. Yeah. Well, it just goes
to show you that here in America, the way we
treat athletes and treat movie stars and rock
stars and rap stars, the way we treat them are
just ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. Well, hero
worship is a big thing, and it's just so easy
now. People complain about firearms, saying it's
just too easy to get one and kill people. It's
like, well, that applies to a lot of other things.
It's super easy to advertise and influence people
and whip up the hero worship. Taylor Swift is
an awesome performer and a very creative musician,
but she would not be where she is today. Taylor
Swift is a very creative and awesome and talented
musician and a great business mind, but she would
not be where she is today without the PR department
whipping up a boatload of hero worship. That
got her where she is today. She still would have
been enormously successful without it, but with
it, she's a billionaire. And they do the same
thing to sports figures, politicians, just about
anybody. Charismatic preachers, it's hero worship.
Yeah. Charismatic preachers is another good one.
They have PR departments all day long. But then
there's people like us who look at the athletes
as just flawed human beings like we are. Yes.
Yes. But, you know, and the other thing is the
lifespan when they get them. Yeah. And they go
accordingly. That's the way I see it. They have
a plan for every one of them. And they're like,
you know, we think Taylor's going to last another
10 years and then that's it. No one cares. But
we have these other ones that we're grooming
right now. And we're going to start going into
this sound and this type of an image. Yeah, absolutely.
And I think a lot of, I mean, just like the entertainment
industry and the NFL and everything, you learn
not to hook yourself long -term to something
because the audience changes their mind, and
suddenly this is not popular anymore. And sometimes
it's in your best interest to change the audience's
mind for them. Say, oh, don't like this anymore.
We've got this new thing. So long -term things
just usually don't pan out. Yes. Even in the
punk era, they were still glamming up the girls
and they were showing lots of boob and lots of
leg and heavy eye makeup. The sex appeal has
been a big part of everything. Yeah, it's just
that the makeup wasn't, it wasn't like pretty
makeup. It was like bizarre. Yeah. But like you
said, they still sexed him up. I think they just
made him kind of look like, I don't know, sexy
zombies or something. Yeah. You know, I'm old
enough to remember football players, excuse me,
from the 60s and in through the 70s. There are
a lot of really ugly guys out there. I mean,
ugly guys, but they were great football players.
Now it seems weird that we still have these great
football players, but somehow the vast majority
of them have become attractive. So I wonder,
is it that they're just picking the attractive
ones because they can market them better? Maybe
there's some great running back out there who's
just ugly as a pile of shit, so he's not going
to get a job in the NFL because they can't market
him. He's too damn ugly. That might be happening.
That's a good point. I don't know. You know,
because whenever you hear about, I don't know,
let's say from a Tom Brady to a Mahomes to a
Josh Allen, you hear Help Char first or Kelsey.
You hear about how they have great looks first.
And they make sure they all have their hair done.
Jack Hamm with his missing teeth. Yeah. Yeah,
they used to be these big, ugly ogres that were
hairy and looked... That's a good point. I don't
know how it happened. Somehow the NFL figured
out how to come up with better -looking people
to, you know, to... Oh, to bench players. Yeah.
And I think a part of it is that these young
men are paying more attention to their physical
appearance as early as, like, middle school.
So all through middle school, high school, college.
Go ahead. Yeah, all along the way they've been
taught to get a good image, groom your brand,
become a brand, and you've got to look good and
act well and be this, be seen doing this and
wearing that. It's so much ingrained into growing
up now that it used to be, well, this is who
I am, take it or leave it. Now it's, what do
you want me to be? I can look like that. I can
be that. Ew. Yeah. Yeah. And another thing is
a lot of this happened like this. Like, let's
take Joe Burrow. I just mentioned him. He loves
to dress, like, really to the nines, you know.
He'll, like, wear a diamond suit with a big,
oh, what would you call it? Not a stension hat,
but a dress hat. And, oh. Oh, the fancy shoes.
It's like going back in time with some of this
stuff. And a big cigar. You know, he came from
nothing. But the place that he came from, I mean,
they had dirt floors. As a matter of fact, when
he got signed, he bought everybody in his community
new houses. Wow. You know, he's a good guy. But,
yeah, but if you look now, look at how well he's
adapted to that. Is that him or is that the NFL?
Is that the NFL? I want you. And I've always
wondered this. We want you to accentuate what
happens when you go to the NFL when you grew
up on dirt floors. You see, the NFL wants to
go, well, you got your scholarship because you
were going to be good in the NFL. You got your
scholarship with no money because you were going
to, you know, we pushed to have that, have you
put in college so you can play for our organization.
So now you see the guy walking around in Lamborghinis,
and I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I mean, he
obviously isn't because the first thing he did
was he rewarded the people around him that he
loved that had nothing. So that's a good person,
in my opinion, that's someone that cares about
people genuinely. So I wonder if the NFL went
to him and said, Joe, listen, you're not going
to be wearing Wrangler jeans, okay? You're not
going to be wearing cheap tennis shoes. You have
money now, and you're going to have to act appropriately
because we invested a lot in you. Do you think
there might be some of that? Yeah, I could see
it on the level of the NFL and the incoming players.
They tell them this is a partnership. We work
together. So you do your part and we'll do our
part, but you have to keep your end of the bargain
by maintaining appearance, look good. be seen
spending money, be seen supporting your local
community. All those things that the players
do for the local community, they're required
to do that by their contract. The NFL contract
requires that. A lot of them probably would do
it anyway, but they are being required to do
that. So it's a whole PR thing, and they involve
the player and say, you pick your cause, make
sure that we approve of it, and then we'll help
you get the word out. But we need to help each
other maintain this image of the NFL cares, we're
all good people, look how handsome and well -groomed
we are, blah, blah, blah. It's goodwill that
they're banking for the next time something nasty
happens, you know, like a player kills his wife
and then kills himself, like what happened to
the Chiefs. Remember that linebacker? Yeah, that's
very good. That's a really good point. And also
the Javon Belcher situation is what you're referring
to, right? That's right, Javon Belcher. So, I
mean, shit like that's going to happen. They
know crap's going to happen. They know that all
sorts of shady, nasty, ugly stuff that's happening
behind the scenes in the NFL could come out.
So they're banking all the goodwill they can
get in the meantime. It's smart. It's smart business.
Uh -huh. And having your players look... Let
me bring up something. Sure. The glad -handing,
though, is really ridiculous because Siobhan
Belcher could have been stopped that night before
he killed his girlfriend. Yeah. But the Kansas
City Police Department, from what I understand,
just had a talk with him and let him go. Yeah,
they gave him a break. They knew he was drunk.
They knew he was fucked up. They knew he was
on a rampage. They knew he was angry. But they
let him go. And there's this huge lawsuit, I
do believe, because of that. I think that that
right there is one of the problems NFL does have,
is the glad handling of their players because
of this idol worship that people have. Yeah,
they want to exploit that to a certain degree
to keep their players from always being in trouble
or sweep some things under the rug. But yeah,
if the cops had taken Javon Belcher... into custody
that night his girlfriend would still be alive
probably and the chiefs would have thought oh
what a pr nightmare but look at the crap they
had to put up with i mean it would have been
better for everybody if javon had been taken
into custody that night so it's gonna bite him
in the ass if they keep you know taking advantage
of the hero worship you know they can't get by
without it so they have to maintain a little
control of it and it's gonna bite him in the
ass every once in a while You'll get some stalker
fan who's going to go attack a player, and you'll
get some player who's going to turn out to be
a serial killer like Aaron Hernandez almost was.
Oh, yeah. Or the other McNair, Steve McNair,
where someone killed him. Yep, yep. So, yeah,
there's all sorts of things that... can upset
the money stream for the NFL, so they do a lot
of things they can to smooth the way, and it's
like, well, we're going to have a bump in the
road sometime, so let's make sure we're ready
for it. But speaking of hero worship, speaking
of hero worship, another good example of hero
worship that really screwed things up for a lot
of people is, remember action star Jan Michael
Vincent? Yeah, yeah. Dude could not stop drinking
for anything. I mean, dude was a hardcore alcoholic.
It wrecked his career, wrecked all his relationships.
And take a look at his life story on, like, Wikipedia
or something. He had, like, at least four different
drunk driving arrests and wrecks. And he kept
getting probation, diversion, rehab. He never
spent a moment in jail. Well, I think for one
of Vince, he spent less than a year in jail.
But he was Jan Michael Vincent, so they kept
cutting him a break and cutting him a break.
And he'd get drunk and wreck into somebody else.
Yeah, the guy turned into a total loser. But
the hero worship was still there. It's like,
oh, this is Jan Michael Vincent. I sure loved
his movies. We're not going to arrest him. Well,
he hurt a lot of people. Yeah. That's true. God,
the guy looked like shit, too. The last picture
of him, he's like 74, long, stringy, greasy hair,
unshaven. He's got one milky white eye because
he kept wrecking his car and damaging his own
body, too. The guy's an example of excesses.
Yeah, he was the appropriate to point to what
not to do when you get fined. Yeah, yeah. And
I imagine there are some lawsuits against those
police departments that didn't arrest him and
get him off the road. So, eh, you take your chances.
You take your chances. Well, what do you think
about Shadur Sanders falling and falling and
falling to Cleveland in the fifth round? Okay,
number one, Cleveland, you might as well have
sat this out. You might have said, no deal, I'm
going out next year, I'm declaring next year.
You're going to Cleveland? Okay, that is the
graveyard of quarterbacks, more than Chicago.
Yeah, I think so. Interestingly enough, they
talked about the quarterback they drafted in
this draft in addition, and then Kenny Pickett.
It's like, well, I guess he makes those guys
irrelevant. Nobody's mentioning Deshaun Watson.
Did I miss it? Did Cleveland part ways with him?
Because nobody's talking about Deshaun Watson
coming back and competing for a starting job
next year. Okay, I think that's what people are
saying from the inside. They said as soon as
he gets back, he's gone. We're done with him.
Yeah, I think that's probably what's going to
happen, but I never heard anything official.
And I think it's a known thing that, like, has
not been released yet that Cleveland cannot go
on with him anymore. Their nation is bad enough.
They're sick of this, everyone laughing at him.
And one of the reasons is because they let Baker
Mayfield go. Yeah. And then they bring in someone
like Deshaun to pay ten times as much for him.
Yeah. Yeah, whether they keep him or they cut
him, it's going to cost them a ton of money.
They might as well just get rid of him. There's
no benefit to keeping him. Yes. No, he's not
going to win you anything. We know this. No.
He doesn't have talent left. Whatever happened
to that talent, I think, with all the court cases.
Yeah, yeah, the mental part of his ability has
taken severe damage. physically he's still there
and he can bring it back, but the mental part
of his game, I don't know he'll ever recuperate
that. There's just been too much damage and there's
too much going on. His life has turned upside
down a couple of times. I'm sure there's a lot
of ways where he's blaming everyone else and
some ways he's blaming himself. He's a mess and
he's not going to be a quarterback, a leader,
a champion. There's just no way. No. He's done.
So the Shador Sanders thing is he got cocky.
The NFL is tired of that. I think they're sick
of that attitude. I think they put their foot
down. You can call it collusion if you want.
I call it self -preservation. Yeah, yeah. The
NFL definitely wants to maintain control. They
don't want to share any power at all with the
players. So when a player comes in and says,
well, I'm dictating to you. Here's how I want
it to go. No, I really don't think the NFL's
ever going to put up with that. No. Nope. And,
you know, he got full of himself. Yeah. I saw
a little bit of words of it before because I
followed him a little bit here and there. And
he's come out on X or Twitter or whatever and
been a little cocky here and there and it made
enough to where I raised my eyebrow to earmark
that. And sure enough, it looks to me like, Needs
a humbling. Yeah. And hopefully this has done
it. Hopefully he can move on and go, all right,
I'm a fifth -rounder. So be it. I'm going to
have to prove myself, but I'm in the NFL. Yeah.
And, you know, this doesn't necessarily have
to work out poorly for Sanders because he has
got absolutely every opportunity to become the
starting quarterback at the start of next season.
You know, there's... there's every possibility
he's going to beat out everybody and be the starting
quarterback. And then he can have some good years
there, develop his talent, and by the time his
rookie contract is over, he hits the free agency
mark and says, all right, now I want the big
payday, now I'm going to pick what team I go
to. But play your rookie contract in Cleveland
and show the rest of the league what you're capable
of, and your second contract is always the big
money contract anyway. This could work out fine
for him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's all up to
him. Yeah, yeah. It's all up to him. Yeah, let's
hope Dion is giving him good advice too. He needs
some good advice from a dad. What did you say?
I said cut him in and out. He needs to get some
good advice from Dion on how to handle himself
and what to do. Yes, he needs to listen to him.
I'm sure he's got a lot of advice from his dad.
They look like they have a good relationship.
They do. They do. He's just being a stupid kid.
Let's face it. We've all done that. Yes. Yeah,
I'm trying to keep up with it, man. Like I said,
the internet here, if you can hear the internet,
it's horrible. And I'm only catching certain
parts, so forgive me. I'm probably sounding weird.
You're coming through pretty well here. At least
your voice is coming through pretty well on my
end. Okay, good. I understood that. I've got
a question. What do you think would have happened
if Cleveland got him in the first round? Do you
think that he would have protested and raised
hell and tried to go somewhere else? I think
so, yeah. I'm not sure exactly where he thought
he wanted to go. He didn't seem interested in
the Giants. I remember him mentioning, or Dion
mentioning, he ain't going to play for the Giants,
he ain't going to play for somebody else he mentioned.
And apparently when he went to the interview
with the Giants, he didn't even try, he didn't
even attempt to learn the install package they
had for him, and he just basically blew them
off. But by the fifth round, I think he was like,
I'm okay going wherever because I don't have
to stay there, but just somebody pick me. But,
yeah, if he'd gone in the first round. You know
what? I mean, I love the way. Go ahead. He would
have raised hell, and he would have demanded
to go to another team. He wouldn't have taken
them. I was getting at what he said about. And
the other point you already crossed over into,
too. His dad said he wasn't interested in going
there, which I could also send a little bit of
shade to Dion. He should know better. Yeah. Well,
Dion was his agent, and I think that kind of
hurt Dion a little bit because the team started
treating Dion not like their friend and their
colleague and the guy they'd known. They started
treating him like an agent, and they started
not telling him things. yeah, your son is not
going to get drafted in the first round, not
in the second round, and probably not in the
third round. But they didn't tell Deion that
because they were treating him like an agent.
You're right. That's exactly what I was getting
at, is he done it to himself and Shador. Shador
is the biggest part of this. But Deion had a
clear -cut part of this, and part of that was
that. When he started acting aging, he was no
longer. buddies with all these people, all these
NFL people. Then he was a business partner, and
they're not necessarily going to tell him anything
that he really needs to know. Yeah, yeah, he
probably didn't count on that happening, but
it sure did. You know, Deion could learn a little
bit about this too. He could be like, you know,
maybe I just need to stay like a coach and maybe
an analyst and leave their stuff alone. Yeah,
a lot of the football players have a big ego,
and they need a big ego to do the work they do.
But then it carries over into, oh, I'm so great,
I can do anything. Look, I can do that, so I
can do this too. Now I can do your job, and now
I can do that job. No. At a certain point, you're
just not really effective. And an agent is, by
definition, an adversary for the team. So they're
going to treat him like an adversary. And they
probably won't ever fully confide in Dion again
because he's probably going to be his son's agent
again next year or the next contract. So Dion,
I think, has burned some bridges by becoming
an agent. Yeah. I'm still here. I think Deion
has burned some bridges with a lot of teams and
a lot of general managers by becoming an agent,
and from now on they're going to consider him
agent first and their buddy Deion second. Deion
always has had an ego. I like the guy a lot.
But he did name himself Prime Time. And he did
go around and promote himself constantly. So
some of that came into play on his son. Yeah.
And I'm sure that some of that was a good one.
You know, we know this shit, Nick. We've seen
it before. And, you know, we're not going to
let this fly, you know. I think his son is really
that right now because part of it is Deion and
part of it is his own head. So I think I could
see both of them, and I could also see Cleveland
being the only team that took a chance on him
too. Yeah, it's hard telling what other team
would have really wanted him besides Cleveland.
Yeah, I mean, when the Giants are like, no, that's
okay, even though you didn't want us, and here
we are in the fifth round, that's okay. We still
don't want you. When they do that, you've really
pissed some people off. Yep. And I'm sure Shador
was watching other quarterbacks being taken ahead
of him. That's got to hurt. Oh, I'm sure, yeah.
What do we think about Aaron Rodgers? I'm sorry,
what? What do we think about Aaron Rodgers and
still dangling out there in Pittsburgh thinking,
well, maybe we'll take you, and then Aaron Rodgers
saying, well, if I'm going to play anywhere,
it's going to be Pittsburgh. I mean, why don't
they just go ahead and do something? Why do they
keep dragging this on? He doesn't want to go
work out. He doesn't want to go to the mini camps
and the mandatory camps, so they're going to
act like it's a last -minute, just all -sudden
epiphany that they had cited they better hire
him. Yeah, that'll sound better than saying,
well, we've signed him, but we're excusing him
from all the workouts and mini camps. Yeah, that's
a better look to say, well, he hasn't signed
yet. Yeah, he had a bad enough rap in Green Bay
about not showing up for any minicamps. He doesn't
need that anymore. People don't like him at all
anymore. So he's going to just act like it's
a last minute signing. Although they have the
agreement already done and it's sitting on the
table. I'm sure. After all the minicamps are
over, he's going to go, well, they talked me
into it, so here I am. Hey, I've been working
out at home. I'm in great shape. Don't worry
about it. Yeah. It'll let you know exactly how
much of this is just spin that we're getting.
It's not a news story. It's just spin. It's just
spin, yeah. And it's Aaron Rodgers trying to
fool people, and that's all it is. We know he's
going to go to Pittsburgh. They've already talked
and everything. It's just he told them that part
of the agreement is I don't go to any of these
minicamps. The other part is you're not going
to tell the world. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go.
It's a long and short of right there. Yeah. Well,
there's another fun thing that happened in the
NFL recently. The son of the Atlanta Falcons,
what, D coordinator, called up Shadur Sanders,
and Frank called him and said that the Saints
were about to pick him. He said, I'm a member
of the Saints, and we're about to pick you. Oops.
So that cost the Falcons organization about a
quarter million, and it cost the coach, whose
son made the call, $100 ,000. Oh, my gosh. I
didn't hear about that. I've been on a boat.
Oh, my gosh. That's funny. It was, let's see,
Jeff Ulbrich is the defensive coordinator, and
it was his son that called up Shadur Sanders,
represented himself as a member of the Saints,
and said, we're going to draft you next. This
is a 21 -year -old guy. He should know better.
What he did is he saw Shadur Sanders' phone number
on his dad's phone, so he copied it down, and
he and a friend made the prank call. So that's
part of the reason that dad got the fine. Go
ahead, I'm sorry. I said part of the reason that
dad got the fine was because he leaked, he allowed
the phone number to get into his son's hand,
so that's why he had to pay the $100 ,000. But
then the organization itself had to pay a quarter
million dollars. I'm telling the funniest stories
I've heard in a while. Yeah, I thought that was
awesome. They said Deion Sanders was actually
pretty nice about it. They said Deion Sanders
was actually pretty nice about it. He accepted
the guy's apology and isn't yelling and screaming,
but it was still a pretty mean thing to do. It
was mean, but what's Sandor supposed to do? You
know, if he gets mad, he's going to look worse.
He's going to be like, okay, that's fine. I understand.
The kid was having fun. He goes, that little
bastard, I want him kicked out of that. Then
all of a sudden, he gets an even worse. So he
did what he needed to do and was like, oh, okay,
I accept your apology. You little stinker. Get
on out of here, you scamp. Oh, gosh. That made
my day when I saw that one. That is mean, though.
That was mean, though. Oh, my God, that was mean.
Oh, man. I got to look up on this kid. That's
pretty cool. Yeah. It makes those calls and quick
trips look like nothing that I used to do. Yeah,
really. What surprises me is how he thought he...
Yeah. I'm surprised that this guy thought he
was going to get away with it. You know, how
did he think that this was not going to get...
I know. Yeah, well, like you said, he's a 23
-year -old. Yep. Well, I guess last year we had
the Jets owners and their teenage sons doing
shit, so... All right, I'm done, I'm sorry. Last
year we had what? The Jets owner and his teenage
sons, you know, his teenage sons were giving
their dad advice on who to hire and who to sign.
So the teenagers were kind of running the organization
there, so this is kind of a continuation that
these coaches and owners and people need to control
their kids. Yes. Yes. Yeah, classic. Another
classic example. Wow. Yeah, I personally love
the prank. But it cost them a lot of money. It
cost them a lot of money. And it was mean. It
was mean. Did Shador say anything about it at
all or not? I don't think he made a comment.
It was just Deion Sanders himself stepped up
and said, all right, yeah, okay, we get it. We've
accepted their apology and let's just all move
on. I think Shadur probably was pissed as hell
and his dad said, no, you're not talking. I'm
talking. Exactly. That's exactly what I was getting
at. You keep your mouth shut. Wow. Okay. Yeah,
I like that one a lot. Let's see. Is there any
notable... Was there any quarterbacks in this
that anyone had any type of a hope, you know,
of a leak? Anyone that they could go in there
and compete with maybe the Josh Allens and the
Patrick Mahomeses and the Hurtses and that? Not
really. I think if anybody, it's going to be
Cam Ward, the guy who was picked first overall.
I think he's probably expected to start as a
rookie. But I don't really see anybody in the
draft that they were touting as an elite level
with Mahomes and Allen and whoever. It seems
to be kind of like a little slowdown on the elite
quarterback. He had a hell of a production there
for five or six years. And now it seems to have
calmed down quite a bit. And I'm wondering if
that is like a cycle that the colleges go through.
That could be. And you also have the problem
of if juniors declare for the draft, then you've
got like two college classes worth of quarterbacks
being taken out, and so it takes the colleges
a couple, three years to recover. That's true.
part of it. Yeah, and I guess also you've got
periods where the NFL just really needs a lot
of new young quarterbacks, so they draft the
hell out of them all, and then the colleges have
to go sign some more high school kids and teach
them how to play. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, and I
think there's a lot of different factors, and
it also makes you wonder if, like, or at least
me, in colleges, is they don't push certain areas
at certain times for different reasons. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, so, like, they might be pushing
for quarterbacks for a couple of years. Then
they might be going out on the linemen, wide
receiver, because for a while their wide receivers
was the big news. You know, you didn't necessarily
hear about quarterbacks. You heard about this
wide receiver. This guy is super fast, mobile,
can jump up, can jump flat -footed, 10 -foot
in the air, huge hands, 6 '5". Yeah, and then
one year it was edge rushers they were all talking
about. Now it even seems like the wide receiver
ones have kind of calmed down a bit too. Yeah,
yeah. Edge rusher is the real sexy one to talk
about. They're always talking about, oh, he's
the greatest edge rusher. He's so fast. He's
so quick. He can get to the quarterback. They
don't talk about running backs anymore. They
hardly ever talk about defensive backs. That
used to be a big hot thing. I remember when running
back drafted first. Yeah. The Raiders drafted
a running back in the first round this year.
Yeah, I was third and fourth round. Did you see
the Raiders drafted a running back? Yeah, they
did. I mean, Bo Jackson. Yeah. I mean, this year
the Raiders drafted a running back with their
number one pick. Oh, they did? Yeah. Okay, I
missed that. Like I said, I've been over here.
Yeah. Who was it? I'm trying to figure that out,
but seriously, running back? This is Pete Carroll
doing that? Yeah. Huh. Got Geno Smith. They signed
Geno Smith, and that girl wanted. All right,
I'm pulling up the Vegas draft ticker. Yeah,
remember the running back Ashton Gentee? Yeah.
That's who they picked from Boise State. 5 '8",
211 pounds. From Boise State. It was the number
one, it was the first round pick, number six
overall, and they picked a running back, which
you just don't do anymore. But that's the Raiders.
No. Yeah, but it's Pete Carroll and Tom Brady
are there now. I find that an odd choice because
I would have figured those two would not have
been on board. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're basically
making the statement that there's nobody else.
Yeah. Yeah. Back in the 60s. Yeah. Yep. Back
in the 60s, the Raiders picked a punter. He was.
He was bizarre. He was like a fireplug. But back
in the 60s, the Raiders drafted Ray Guy, a punter,
number one with their number one pick. And everyone
thought they were crazy. He turned out to be
a Hall of Fame punter, but they still could have
gotten him in the third, fourth round, something
like that. They didn't have to spend a number
one pick on him. That's the thing. Yeah. No,
it was like they're so paranoid that somebody
knew what they were going to go for that they
had to, like, go early to make sure nobody interrupted
their plans. Yeah. You know, where other teams
would be like, well, if he gets picked, all right,
whatever, it's just a punter. Yeah. They were
like, oh, no, no, no, we have got to do this.
We've got to get him now. We think these other
teams are on to it. They saw us watch him working
out. You know, whatever that is, you know. And
it seems that a lot of teams anymore are going
for the player that can make a sudden and big
impact in the game with one play. And running
backs usually are not that guy. You know, your
running back is getting five yards here, three
yards there. You know, catch a pass for eight
yards there. I mean, they're like steady, slow
plotters. but the dynamic wide receiver who can
streak down the field or the cornerback who can
intercept, those are the people who you draft
really early because in one play they can totally
change the game. Running backs, yeah, they can
do that, but it's a lot less likely. A lot less
likely. I mean, I could justify the wide receiver
talent. Yeah. Well, we'll see how the Raiders
do this year. Cam Ward, the number one overall
pick, went to Tennessee, who still has Will Levis
from last year, but I don't think Will Levis
is long. I think Will Levis is going to go because
he's being paid too much to be a backup. So at
the end of training camp, I think Will Levis
is out and Cam Ward's in. At the end of training
camp, Cam Ward's in, Will Levis is off the team,
and somebody else is the backup slash mentor
for Cam Ward. Yeah. And I think Will Levis for
out is welcome. Nashville is Duke mayonnaise.
And he's a Hellman's guy. You think the Chiefs
would have any interest in picking up Will Levis'
long -term project? Yeah. Now, Cam Ward, I would
find that interesting to be on the tight end
because they seasonally don't really have anybody
else on the offense. Yeah. Yeah, really, who
they got left? They don't have Travis Henry.
No, they got rid of Hopkins. They lost some of
their offensive line. Yeah, DeAndre Hopkins,
we got him. Yeah, DeAndre Hopkins has gone gutted,
the whole team. So he takes maybe a little higher
since Levis is going to be gone. Do they hire
somebody to do this for the interim while they
build? And then Cam Ward sits behind them for
the first year while they figure out some key
pieces they need to get for this guy that's going
to be the future? I don't know. Right now they've
got Brandon Allen and Tim Boyle also in their
quarterback room. Do you see either of them being
a mentor? I don't see Will Levis being a mentor.
Yeah, me too. That's the guy I'd see as a mentor.
He's played and he's played reasonably well in
some games. He's not like the worst at it. I
think that he has some things that he could teach
to a younger quarterback just out of college
that could help him. Yeah. You know, the guy
that I talked to from Tennessee at Kokomo Beach,
he was wanting them to make a deal for Kirk Cousins.
He didn't know if it was going to happen, but
he said that's what everybody was kind of wanting.
Because Atlanta, or not Atlanta, is it Atlanta
still? Yeah, I think he's still there. I think
it's Atlanta. Yeah. See, they would love to cut
because they have, oh, I forgot the young quarterback
they played, but then the last. Penel, Penix.
Is it Penix? Yeah, yes. Penix. Now, they're high
on Penix, and they want to start him instead
of Cousins. And I guess Nashville's consensus
is they want Kirk Cousins to come there and Ham
Ward to train under him, kind of like Alex Smith
did. And if you think about it, similar quarterbacks
with similar attitudes. That's true. That's true.
That would make more sense than what I proposed.
Well, this is what they were to come up with
this. They were saying this. I talked to the
guy for quite a bit. He was snorkeling and showing
me some rockfish that was hiding. And he saw
my Kansas City hat. He was like, hey, yeah, where
are you from? Tennessee. So I asked him about
their draft class, and he started going into
some of that. I thought that was interesting,
getting their insights there in Nashville. Yeah.
Huh. So, yeah, and like we were talking, the
gentleman that never got his name, if you think
about, like, Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins, they're
both religious people without a whole lot of
ego. Yeah. And they're willing to betray whoever
and not be insulted by it. Yeah, yeah. It's good
there's still a place for guys like that in the
NFL. Oh, definitely. Definitely there is. A guy
like that's so underrated, actually. There's
so many quarterbacks with a lot of knowledge
but maybe not the arm that would not do that.
They'd be like, I'm not doing that. I'm here
for me, not this guy. True. Yeah, I mean, it's
kind of the way of the NFL now. It's like, you
know, this is my career, not this guy. And, you
know, I love this team. I love me more. We do
that a lot. So, but I like that idea. I mean,
I see where Nashville's coming up with that.
Like he said, he said that's the word and that's
what people are pushing for. Whether that happens
or not, we'll see. Yeah. Well, the Chiefs get
to play the Titans this year, so whatever they
do, we get to experience it firsthand. Yep. Yeah,
and that's the other thing we're talking about,
too. He was telling me that they're getting a
brand new stadium. Did you know that? Nissan
Stadium's not good. I know they needed one, and
I know that the Nissan car company is in really
bad financial straits, so they can't really afford
to sponsor a stadium anymore. Nissan is looking
for somebody to buy them. Honda has already said
no thanks. Yeah, it's probably not going to be
Nissan Stadium either. No, no, he was pissed
because he said the PSLs, that PSL now, I forgot
the exact number, it was astronomical. And he
said that it was going to triple. And he was
pissed. He said, you know, he goes back to having
a new stadium. They said, do I really want to
pay that much for my private seat license anymore?
He said, I don't know. He said, yeah. He goes,
I could afford them. No big deal. Do I think
it's actually worth it now? He said, I'm not
sure. You raise it that much more, and I'm not
really sure about that. Yep. Yep. It's like you
and I could afford to... Well, I mean, the DSL
is absurd anyhow. Yeah, that is. I mean, you
and I could afford to spend $25 on a cup of coffee,
but it's not worth $25. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
you know, you and I both love the coffee, but
we don't love it that much. Imagine if we went
down to the coffee shop and first we had to buy
a license that allowed us to buy coffee there.
We'd be brewing at home. Yep. So that's what
the stadium are doing. It's like, oh, first you
have to buy this license and then that allows
you to buy a seat. Airplanes tried to do the
same thing. Airplanes tried to sell you a ticket,
and then the seat was additional. But the Federal
Aviation Administration said, no, it's not legal
for them to fly standing up, so they have to
get a seat. That has to be included. Otherwise,
the airlines would have been doing that. You
pay one price to get on board, pay another price
to actually get a seat to sit down. Oh, yeah.
The airlines are evil. Yeah. They are evil. Yeah.
And the thing is, is people maybe burn up that
thing so easily, too. They accept it. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, it has to happen. Well, why does it have
to happen? Well, because, you know, we need someone
owning those seats. Yeah, there's a lot of people
that are in the complaining about it stage. And
they're going to be in the complaining stage
for a while before they realize, you know what,
this is just too much and I don't want it anymore.
It's no fun when they're in the complaining stage
because you hear them gripe and moan about, well,
the parking's expensive and the seats are expensive
and the seats are uncomfortable and the bathroom's
too crowded. It's like you're doing that on your
own. You're volunteering for that. And the moment
it becomes not worth it, then you're going to
quit doing it. But in the meantime, I really
don't want to hear about these people complaining.
If you're going to pay for the ticket and do
it, then go do it and shut up. If you're going
to complain about it, quit doing it. Yeah, yep.
Yes, and it's just like people that complain
about high tax areas. Move. Yep. All right, here's
a little podcast edit. Mark and I got off on
a weird tangent, so I'm just going to edit that
sucker right out of there. See, this is what
happens when we run out of football stuff to
talk about. Oh, yeah. Oh, you missed a spot over
there. Hit yourself there. Oh, wow. Look at what
you said on this cruise. There's this little
bastard just fucking bawling his eyes out. He's
got, what, 10 or something? And it's like, man,
you know, you need to be recorded right now and
have this shown back to you at a later time.
You know, it's like, you know, you really look
like a soft little idiot. Yeah, that's useful.
Show it to him later. And that's the same thing,
you know. Like you said, I'm going to keep hurting
myself, and I'm going to show you. It's like
that's exactly what is going on. It's like I'm
going to keep having these idiots hurt me because
I don't like what's going on right now. Yeah,
pretty much you're – yeah. Yeah, that's a great
example. I think that's so true. Oh, well. Oh,
okay. I can try to make up some music stuff.
We're about an hour and 20 minutes in on the
sports. Okay. All right, yeah, yeah, go ahead,
because here before too much longer, I'm going
to have to get off here, so we might as well
do a little combo. Do you want to take a break
so you can break both of these up, or do you
want to just, like, splice them wherever? Yeah,
let me take a break, because I've got to go take
a leak anyway. Okay, and then you're going to
take them into two seconds. You're saying right?
Yeah. Yes, sir. All right, well. Okay, do you
want me to stay on the line, or do you want me
to hang up and then call you back? You can go
ahead and hang on the line, but first you have
to tell everyone to go fuck themselves. Oh, yeah,
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