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Your mama's so fat, she makes Godzilla look like

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an etching figure. Yeah, there we go. Now, Jaco

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Pistorius did not deserve to get beaten to death.

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No, he didn't. No, we're not saying that, but

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we can see how it happened. But I can see how

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he put himself in a situation where that could

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happen to him. Yes. Is it my turn? Yes. All right.

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Metallica fans, they gatekeep the ass out of

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Metallica. Yes. Yeah, they've got certain ranges

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of albums that if you don't like these albums,

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you're not a real Metallica fan. Or if you like

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this album, then you're not a real... It just

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goes on and on. You see, I'm a fan of the first

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four, but I don't get stupid over it. To me,

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I thought the music was much better. I thought

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Kirk Hammett's playing was much better for whatever

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reason. It wasn't so poppy. I kind of liked the

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stuff that they did at first because to me it

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was like the gateway to a heavier, faster music.

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And Megadeth's a lot like that too. Megadeth

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never really went pop like Metallica, but they

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did some albums that were kind of fluxed into

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other areas. I see that. I totally see that because

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I've dealt with them before, you know. Because

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I've argued with them about, you know, no, no,

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no, no. It was all the stuff after And Justice

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is the only stuff that was good. And it's like,

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no, you know. So, yeah. This next one is half

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of their fans. Half of this guy's fans are snobs.

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Neil Peart. Yes, absolutely. Not all of them.

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A lot of people like us appreciate his drumming,

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but we're not obsessed with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I can admire the heck out of Neil Peart and still

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confidently confess that for most of the beginning

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of Rush's career, he overplayed and played with

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zero dynamics. And he just power drummed his

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way through everything. Yeah. And he was so dang

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good and so inventive that nobody cared. Nobody

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cared, yeah. But after a while, it's just like,

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this is just a relentless assault of you hitting

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everything as hard as you can, as often as you

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can, and this has no meaning. It has no feeling.

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Yeah, so he went feeling. He went emotion. And

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he did that as good as anybody. And then, yeah,

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he turned it all around, and damn, the later

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stuff. He was so expressive. So it was amazing.

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He played less and he said more. Kind of like

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Bonham did, but not quite as prolific, I guess.

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Yeah, Bonham was famous for not just what he

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played, but all the empty spaces he left where

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he didn't play something. Yeah, a good example,

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you spoke about it earlier, Roll the Bones. Yeah.

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And you know there's versions of that that took

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out the rap? Oh, thank God. Yeah, and they just

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play the song, and the song itself, I think,

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is not bad. Yeah. Them trying to get hip or younger

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is bad. Yeah. All right. Blink -182. Oh, yes.

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A guitar player friend of mine, a bunch of his

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kids are Blink -182 fans, and they think if you're

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not a big Blink -182 fan and willing to road

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trip across America to go see him play that you're

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just missing out and you're foolish, and they

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look down their noses at people that haven't.

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discovered Blink -182. They're like a religious

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cult that comes to your door and says, have you

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heard the truth? They're like, have you heard

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Blink -182? Yes. Yes. It's like, don't try to

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proselytize to me about the band you like. I

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get to like who I like. Yeah. And Blink -182

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is not on that list. Yeah. And this guy's kids,

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they tried to tell me all about the concerts

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and they're telling song titles like... I really

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don't know what you're talking about. I have

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zero knowledge of Blink -182 as a band. Yeah,

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me too, and there's a reason for that also. I

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don't care about them at all. I find their music

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horrible. They were going to be just Blink, except

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another band had the name Blink, so they just

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added 182. See, that right there is cheap. Coldplay.

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Oh, yes. I know they were on the wimpiest fans,

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but they're also on the snottiest fans. Because

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of their songs and how people try to say that

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they're these masterpieces. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I

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mean, they're good, but... It's like there was

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a point where Taylor Swift came out with a seven

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-minute song, and a bunch of her fans were crediting

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her with being the first and only person to ever

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put out a song that long. Oh, my gosh. That is

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so... It's just because they didn't even bother

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to check. Yeah. And they're so ready to give

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her the honors for everything. And there are

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a number of fan bases like that. And you point

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out, oh, look, there's this band doing it 10

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years before. Oh, well, it wasn't really the

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same thing. It didn't mean anything. There's

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a guy over there with a Val Kilmer shirt on.

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Oh, really? Yeah. Must have been a fan. Yeah.

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Yeah, he... He kicked it yesterday on April Fool's.

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You got something? The last ones I had, I had

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Rush instead of Neil Peart. But Green Day and

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My Chemical Romance. Green Day fans tend to think

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that their band invented punk. Not even close.

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Their fans tend to think that their band invented

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the three -piece power trio. Not even close.

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And then when we get to the segment on stolen

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guitar riffs, Green Day's on the list three times.

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I believe that. I believe that. They rip off

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a ton of the stuff they do. And a lot of it is

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just the normal ripping off that musicians do.

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They're carrying it a little too far. Okay. They're

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starting to get into territory of, yeah, you

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guys really don't write much. adapt other people's

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stuff, don't you? Well, number one, they're not

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that good. And the act that they put on is just

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stupid. I mean, you know, about, oh, we're real

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punk. It's like, no, you're not. You're pop punk,

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like the guy said. Billy Joe Armstrong's fake

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English accent. Yeah. I'm so tired of that. Yeah.

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I'm done with that whole thing. Now, their drummer,

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Trey Cool, is insanely fast and insanely precise.

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Yeah. and i think his talents are wasted in that

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band i think so i really think that he i'm not

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saying he should quit the band but he needs to

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get a couple of side projects where he can really

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stretch his his uh stretch his wings i agree

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um finally the last one i got is the fans that

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deny van halen but love van hagar they are a

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particular snotty group that doesn't even understand

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what they're saying yeah so Sometimes they just

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like to hear themselves talk. Yes. I got a few

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of the toughest fans. Oh, I got some too. Go

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ahead. Black Sabbath. I agree 100%. Lincoln Park.

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Oh, yeah. I forgot about them. Slipknot. Yes.

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We go over on some of these. Ministry. Yes. I

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saw a ministry open for Alice Cooper last summer

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or the summer before. Uh -huh. He has some tough

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-ass fans. Yeah. Cannibal Corpse. Yes. You're

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going to tell me anybody who likes Cannibal Corpse

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is a wimp? I don't think so. And also, they smell

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like body odor, so you don't want to get near

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them anyhow. I used to work with a guy like that.

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Patchouli oil and body odor, not good. Yikes.

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So, I mean, you kind of get the gist of who the

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tough fans are, you know. I would not put Bruce

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Springsteen fans in that list, even though they

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want to pretend they are. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I

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agree. They go around with a handkerchief in

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their back pocket thinking they're cool. Look

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it up. Google it. Well, that was what I got.

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Okay. I've got Rolling Stones. Yeah, I'd say

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so. Yeah, I mean, really, they're kind of like

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the bare -knuckle kind of guy that used to listen

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to them. Yeah, kind of like Aerosmith fans. Yeah,

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yeah, they're just a rough, tumble kind of guy,

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you know. Doesn't take a lot of shit, but doesn't

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care a lot of shit either. Yeah. They'll be smoking

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a cigarette behind the corner, and business will

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come out and go, you can't smoke within 50 feet,

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and they go, watch me. So, Rolling Stone fans.

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Next one I have to say is Alice in Chains fans.

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Oh, yeah. I think that they are a unique group.

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Yeah. Their lead singer killed himself with crack

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and heroin. Yeah. That sounds like you're not

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a soft kind of person if you're into that. No,

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Wayne Staley was not a soft kind of a guy. No,

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he had every intention of living fast and dying

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young. And I think he probably pretty much meant

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it when he fucking overdosed. He was like, oh,

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okay, I guess this is the one. In fact, didn't

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they have a song, We Die Young? Yes, they do.

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Yes, they do. It was on facelift. Yeah, he told

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people straight up, said, I have no intention

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of ever trying to get clean. This is what I want

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to do. This is it. The Three -Legged Dog album,

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it's over now. Yeah, yeah. That's what he's talking

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about. Fuck it. Yeah. Well, it's over now. Yeah,

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you found out. I don't have to pretend. Yes.

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Pantera. Oh, yeah. Not in the 80s. No, not in

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the glam metal days. The 90s. Yes. The one with

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the album that the guy getting hit in the face.

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Vulgar display of power. Yes. Yes. I have that

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one. Oh, yeah. The guy's face is like all distorted

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from the fist and the knuckles. There's a picture

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inside that album of Vinnie Paul behind the drums

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with this big grin on his face. Uh -huh. He looked

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exactly like the station manager I had at the

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Rosedale post office at the time. Oh, wow. And

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I remember bringing that CD to work, to listen

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to, and I showed it to the guy next to me. He

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said, look, doesn't this just look just like

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Glenn, the station manager? He's like, oh, yeah,

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it does. And he happened to be walking by, and

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he got all huffy. He's like, all right, let me

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see that. What are you talking about? And he

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looked, and he's like, oh, yeah, I kind of do

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look like him. He was all ready to be offended,

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but then it turned out, I was like, oh, I really

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do look like him. That's pretty cool. Does he

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wear the big hat, too, the feather hat like he

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used to, like Vinnie Paul did? No, no. But he

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had a lot of moose in his hair. But the facial

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hair and the way, you know, the kind of chunky

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build and everything, the big, you know, the

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big wide grin and crinkly eyes, he looked just

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like him. Yep. So everyone started asking him

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when, you know, when the next album was coming

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out, and that was funny for about a week. Yeah.

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I'd like to know really quick on a different

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note about Pantera. How exactly they got back

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together after the owners of the name died, both

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of them. How did that happen? It must have been

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bequeathed to somebody or the courts maybe decided

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who gets ownership of the name. Because when

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you have something that's worth that much money

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and there's no clear succession of ownership,

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the courts are going to decide something. Yeah,

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that's true. I'll bet you that's what it was.

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Yeah, so some family member or business partner

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or somebody owned the name Pantera and then could

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start using it again. Okay. The next one I have,

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of course, you wanted to do Black Sabbath. Yep.

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Uriah Heath. Yeah. Yeah, because they kind of...

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They were kind of psychedelic metal, kind of

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tough. Yeah, they were on the tougher edge of

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psychedelia. Yeah. I think a lot of their songs,

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if you hear them, they're kind of like, look

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like just like a spit on the ground and fucking

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toothpick your teeth song. Yeah. So I would put

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Uriah Heep in that category. Definitely. Led

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Zeppelin. Yeah. I think a majority of Led Zeppelin

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fans are like that. Yeah, especially the ones

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from Birmingham. Yeah, yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah,

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because they went into some resistance. Yeah.

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Because Paige and John Paul Jones were from Birmingham

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and then Plant and Bonham were from the country.

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From the country, yeah. I forgot to call it something

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the countryside they're from. Yeah, I forgot

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too. Yeah. They got a lot of shit in Birmingham.

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And that's one of the reasons I gave them tough.

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Because, I mean... I think the band itself is

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tough, and I think that probably their average

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fan is tougher than a lot of other fans. Yeah,

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that'd be a tough place to come up as a struggling

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band. It would. Johnny Cash. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah,

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the man in black. Yes. He's, yeah. Yeah, the

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man in black. Yeah, I'm telling you what, to

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be a true fan of his and to be able to recite

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most of his songs, that'd be a tough guy. You

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drink Jack straight out the bottle. Yep. You

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play cards. You name your boys, too. Yes. That's

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the best one ever. Yes. Of course, I have Slipknot

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on here, like you did. And I'm with you. I saw

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them right here at the City Market. One of the

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bands on the bill. Judas Priest was the final

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one on the bill. And I'll tell you what, the

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fans that they had there, I would not, uh -uh.

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They all had switchblades. Yeah, they'd slice

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you. And they were rabid and uncontrollable and

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insane. Yeah. I loved them. I would have put

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Monster Magnet fans on the list, but they're

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generally so stoned that they're not violent.

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Yeah, they're lying in a ditch. Oh, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. I'll get back with you about that fight.

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I love me some Monster Magnet. That's some pretty

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crazy music. How about Henry Rollins fans? Oh,

00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:08.070
yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, yeah. Those guys are

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jacked, and they're ready to hit somebody in

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the face. They're like looking around. There's

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probably a little overlap between them and snotty

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category. It's also snotty, you're right. But,

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yeah, the only difference between the snotty

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and non -snotty ones is the non -snotty ones

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work out all the time. They have a very well

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-groomed haircut. And they go around looking

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for someone to fist fight. Yeah. And they try

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to find the toughest person, too. They're like,

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I'm not going to beat up some wimp. I've got

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to beat up this guy that's meaner than hell.

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Yeah. That's your typical Henry Rollins fan.

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Now, this next one is just because of the way

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I imagine it, because neither one of me or you

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lived during this era at all. But just something

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about the Western type that he was, I think screams

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tough. Slim Whitman. Oh, yeah. I remember in

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the 70s, KY102 brought him to town for a concert.

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Because his commercials were on for his yodeling

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music. Oh, yeah. And it became kind of a joke.

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So, 102 brought him to town for a concert. And

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he thought it was legit. And when he got here,

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they were all making fun of him. And he got so

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pissed. I didn't know that. I mean, he got really,

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really angry. Wow. Maybe I ought to bring that

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up on the fan page. Maybe so. Yeah, that's...

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Wow. That's a pretty good little bit of information.

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I remember Slim. Slim looked like he probably

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carried a knife somewhere on him. Oh yeah, I'm

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sure. And he wasn't afraid to use it either.

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As a matter of fact, he picked his teeth with

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it and he cut his beef jerky with it. Pretty

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tough guy. And he would spit chaw in your eye

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if you didn't like it. And they'd walk around

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blinded like a cobra. The next one, Willie Nelson

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fans. They're a rugged bunch. They're a pretty

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rugged bunch. Yeah, they are. He's definitely

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outlaw country. Yeah, he is. They all wear sleeveless

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shirts, and they have homemade tattoos that say

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Mudda. Mudda. Mudda. With a heart and an arrow

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through it. Yeah. And then the next ones, this

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one, I almost overlooked it. I just remembered

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them in time. Jackal. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are

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a special brand. Come on, bitch. You take a live

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chainsaw up on stage. It's not for the faint

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of heart. They're another one like Henry Rawls

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where they look around figuring out who they're

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going to beat up to show you that they're tougher

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than you. And you just hope they didn't pick

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your card. It's like, oh shit, man. I think he

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doesn't like me. I'm going to leave. The next

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one. I always called him Leonard Skinner on acid.

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That's Molly Hatchett. Oh, yeah. Or as I call

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him, Molly fucking Hatchett. Yeah. I imagine

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they are a wily bunch of Southerners that just

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don't care. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they scream obscenities

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at parties. I remember in high school, both bands

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were pretty active. And everyone seemed to like

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Lynyrd Skynyrd. And then Molly Hatchet came out,

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and all the tough guys became Molly Hatchet fans

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and wanted that album cover painted on the side

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of their van. Leonard Skinner was seen as not

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really soft or weak, but just not as tough as

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Molly Hatchet. Not as tough as Molly Hatchet.

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And also, that's something you can go into, too,

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is album art cover. Oh, yeah. Molly Hatchet had

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that damn. Oh, my gosh. That's similar. They

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inspired so many airbrushed con conversion vans

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in the 70s. It's like you couldn't. I even saw

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one where the little eyeballs lit up. Oh, my

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God. That would be cooler now. Yeah, it was pretty

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cool. My uncle wanted one of those really bad.

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If you don't know what we're talking about, just

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look up Molly Hatchet cover art. Yeah. And you'll

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see several versions. Yeah. And it's all tough

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as hell. Yeah, big, giant. fur -wearing barbarian

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with his horned helmet and there's mayhem going

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on. There's like death and destruction everywhere

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and it blows up a fin. If it wasn't so complex,

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he'd make a hell of a tattoo. It would be. Well,

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I know people that could do that actually very

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well. But it would cost you an arm and a leg.

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And it would probably take up an arm and a leg.

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And it would take up an arm and a leg. And it

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would hurt. The next one is Slayer fans. But

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I'm talking about Okay, have you noticed Slayer

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fans are two different types. They're the ones

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that jumped on way later. Yeah. Because their

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music became more mainstream. More accessible.

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More accessible, yeah. That's it. Not mainstream,

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accessible. They're on iTunes and they're on

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all this stuff. And they actually get a lot of

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play. Especially on metal fringe stations or

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hard rock stations. That probably coincided with

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getting some of their songs on movie soundtracks.

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Yes, that's true. So there's that fan, but there's

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the real Slayer fans that knew them when they

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first started. Those guys you don't fuck with.

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And then finally, this is an unknown band, but

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I brought them up last week because of concerts

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that had a bill that had a very diverse body

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count. Oh, yeah. Especially when you heard the

00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:39.210
song Evil Dick. Google it. I love it. Yeah, he's

00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:42.009
like, what's he say? He's talking like his dick

00:19:42.009 --> 00:19:44.049
is talking. He goes, I said, I'll wake up late

00:19:44.049 --> 00:19:45.750
at night. And it says, don't sleep alone, don't

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sleep alone, don't sleep alone. Yeah, body count

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and then cop killer and all that stuff, of course.

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All right, that's all of mine. Yeah, probably

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a lot of gangster rap, actually. where they have

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pretty tough bands. Well, I almost went into

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2 Live Crew and all that, and I'm like, you know

00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:08.160
what? Body Count covers what we do. Yeah, true.

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2 Live Crew, we might have gotten away with it.

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They're kind of like a little bit of a crossover,

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but no, no, you know. And Run DMC, no, they were

00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:20.519
cupcakes, so. Well, what I got next, I've got

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Rip Off of Guitar Rips. And I forgot mine, evidently.

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I don't have them. They're somewhere at home.

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And then I've got bands that peaked with their

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very first album. Not that they were ever awful,

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but they just never were quite as good. Which

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one would you like to do? How about Riffs That

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Are Stolen, and I'm going to give the one that

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I remember that I wrote down. Did you ever listen

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to Paradise City as opposed to Zero the Hero?

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No, I haven't done a comparison. I need to. It's

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really, really close. Hang on, I'll play it really

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quick. I think I can play a little bit of it,

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right? Without it actually being a copyright

00:21:04.710 --> 00:21:08.089
infringement? Oh, yeah. Okay. Some of these on

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my list, it's really tough to tell who was first

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because it just gave the pairing. But some of

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them I could tell who was first and who was second.

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First one I have is ACDC's TNT. Go ahead. Lou

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Graham. When he went solo, he had a song called

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Arrow Through Your Heart that is pretty damn

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close. Oh, okay. Metallica, Sad But True. Sad

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but true. Avenged Sevenfold has a song called

00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:44.940
This Means War that is remarkably similar. Yeah,

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Metallica was first. Well, as a matter of fact,

00:21:46.420 --> 00:21:49.059
people call Avenged Sevenfold a ripoff of Metallica.

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Yeah. Well, they called Aerosmith the poor man's

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version of the Rolling Stones. Yeah, that's right.

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That's right. Dio put out Holy Diver. And then

00:22:01.230 --> 00:22:03.369
later the Foo Fighters put out Something From

00:22:03.369 --> 00:22:07.049
Nothing. That is really, really close on a guitar

00:22:07.049 --> 00:22:17.430
riff. Yeah. Sometimes you just change the syncopation

00:22:17.430 --> 00:22:24.509
a little bit. Add in an extra beat. Riot. Swords

00:22:24.509 --> 00:22:28.089
and Tequila, and Iron Maiden, Two Minutes to

00:22:28.089 --> 00:22:30.650
Midnight. Apparently share the same guitar riff.

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They do. They do? And that would firmly be Iron

00:22:33.309 --> 00:22:38.430
Maiden coming up for that one. Yeah. Here's a

00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:42.609
really weird one. Remember Nelson? Mm -hmm. They

00:22:42.609 --> 00:22:47.690
had a song called Will You Love Me? And Megadeth

00:22:47.690 --> 00:22:50.880
has one called Hanger 18. Oh, wow. And they have

00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.819
the same guitar riff. Yes, and Nelson would have

00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:55.339
been the first one. Nelson would have been the

00:22:55.339 --> 00:23:02.859
original. Nirvana had the song Come As You Are.

00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:06.819
Uh -huh. Killing Joke came out one of them called

00:23:06.819 --> 00:23:11.920
80s. Pretty much the same guitar riff. Okay.

00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:18.210
ZZ Top Tush and Motorhead, No Class. I think

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ZZ Top was first. Yeah, they would have had to

00:23:23.509 --> 00:23:28.809
been first. Here's the one that a lot of people...

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Oh, you're going to... Okay, there it goes. It's

00:23:33.269 --> 00:23:42.190
coming up really quick, too. It takes a minute.

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Come on now. Alright, it's coming up here, I

00:23:56.170 --> 00:24:08.950
swear. Okay, here we go. Now, don't mind the

00:24:08.950 --> 00:24:19.859
other ones. Just listen to the rhythm. It's almost

00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:26.079
identical. Yeah. Yeah. But listen to it later

00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.359
when you have a chance. Yeah. And listen to the

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.960
back part of it. I'm talking about the rhythm.

00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:36.180
It's the exact same. So, anyhow, go ahead. That's

00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:42.299
up. Here's what we got. Okay. Spirit. 60s band.

00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.559
Their big hit was I Got a Line on You. Uh -huh.

00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:49.769
They had a song called Taurus. Okay. And if you

00:24:49.769 --> 00:24:52.549
listen to Taurus by Spirit, you can tell where

00:24:52.549 --> 00:24:55.049
Led Zeppelin got all their ideas for Stairway

00:24:55.049 --> 00:24:56.809
to Heaven. Actually, I remember that, yeah. And

00:24:56.809 --> 00:25:00.089
they opened for them, too. Yeah. And they lost

00:25:00.089 --> 00:25:05.789
a lawsuit to them, too. They did. They did. Let's

00:25:05.789 --> 00:25:09.230
see. Now we do the Green Day works. There's an

00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.410
act called Dillinger with a song called Double

00:25:12.410 --> 00:25:18.400
Whiskey Coke Noice. And Green Day's American

00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:24.880
Idiot ripped it off totally. Okay. American Idiot.

00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:29.140
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Chicago, 25

00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:34.039
or 624. Green Day's Brain Stew ripped it right

00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:39.660
off. Wow. Okay. And then you take Nirvana's Smells

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Like Teen Spirit, and then you add in Oasis's

00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:47.319
Wonderwall. And it distills down into Green Day,

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.940
Boulevard of Broken Dreams. And I went back and

00:25:51.940 --> 00:25:53.799
listened to it and was like, oh my God, yes.

00:25:54.099 --> 00:25:56.859
They took those two songs and took the best parts

00:25:56.859 --> 00:25:59.920
out of them. I think I see where that... And

00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:02.259
they created Boulevard of Broken Dreams out of

00:26:02.259 --> 00:26:04.339
two other hits that other bands had had. Wow.

00:26:05.019 --> 00:26:07.579
I'm kind of losing respect for Green Day here.

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.660
I never thought that they were all that in the

00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.599
first place. Everyone else seemed to, but okay.

00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:19.599
And then here's two, three, four, five, five

00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:24.619
songs that all share the same riff. Swords and

00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:28.359
Tequila by Riot. Flash Rockin' Man by Accept.

00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:33.799
Welcome to Hell by Venom. Curse of the Pharaohs

00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.759
by Merciful Fate. And Two Minutes to Midnight

00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:41.559
by Iron Maiden. Oh, wow. I don't know who would

00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.180
have been the first on that. Yeah, I'm going

00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:46.480
to figure that out too. I mean, Merciful Fate

00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.779
might have came before the Iron Maiden, Two Minutes

00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:54.180
to Midnight. Because Merciful Fate was in the

00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:57.579
80s, wasn't it? And Iron Maiden was in the 80s,

00:26:57.579 --> 00:27:01.140
too. It's hard to tell. I think Two Minutes to

00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:05.339
Midnight was 84, possibly. I would think, yeah.

00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:10.180
Let's see, we got Angel Witch. They had a song,

00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.079
Angel of Death, which stole the riff. Or shared

00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.839
a riff with Dreams of Esheton by Manila Road.

00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:18.980
Angel of Death, is that the Slayer song or the

00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:20.720
other one? Angel Witch is the band. Angel Witch,

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.799
okay. We had another one called Night is Calling

00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:25.980
that shared a riff with Goodnight by Nemesis.

00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.740
Okay. Black Magic by Slayer and Fallen Saint

00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:35.680
by Exhumer. Okay. Some of these I don't know.

00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.240
Kill Again by Slayer versus Terrible Certainty

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:42.599
by Creator. Okay. Strike of the Beast by Exodus

00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.900
versus Total Death by Creator again. Here's a

00:27:47.900 --> 00:27:50.799
couple of Megadeth ones. Set the Stage Alight

00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:56.799
by Weapon and Hippolytes by Metallica. I wonder

00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:01.140
who came first. I don't know. Rainbow Warrior

00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:09.220
by Bleak House. Welcome Home by Metallica. I

00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:12.059
think Blink House might have actually been before

00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:17.180
that. Anyhow. Here's another Metallica. Metallica,

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.400
For Whom the Bell Tolls. Home of the Once Brave

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.380
by Bathory. I'm going to have to look that one

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:25.880
up. Bathory was before that, I do believe. Because

00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.079
we're talking about the 90s versus the 80s. Yeah,

00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:34.559
okay. Now here's one. In 1971, Alice Cooper had

00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.150
a hit with I'm 18. And then years later, Kiss

00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:42.809
had a hit with Dreaming, which shares the same

00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:47.069
structure. Yeah. Okay. And I could see Alice

00:28:47.069 --> 00:28:49.970
not caring about that. No, I could too. I could

00:28:49.970 --> 00:28:52.769
be like, that's a good song, and we know it's

00:28:52.769 --> 00:28:55.150
kind of close to this, but who cares? And then

00:28:55.150 --> 00:28:57.809
for honorable mention, I put in a drum riff that

00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:00.750
was ripped off. The iconic intro to Rock and

00:29:00.750 --> 00:29:04.220
Roll by Led Zeppelin. The one that Phil Collins

00:29:04.220 --> 00:29:08.539
couldn't learn? Yeah. It was directly ripped

00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:10.859
off from a Little Richard song called Keep a

00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:14.400
Knockin'. Directly? Directly. Exact same intro.

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.859
So John Bonham was like, hey, I like that. He

00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:19.619
just copied it. Wow. And it was the drum intro

00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:23.220
on both songs. I've been... No, they weren't

00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.759
even trying to hide it, were they? No. I think

00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.579
that's great. They're just like, hey, we stole

00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:30.720
this, okay? Just, you know, full disclosure,

00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:34.309
it's stolen. I have the 12 weirdest song titles

00:29:34.309 --> 00:29:37.730
in the world. Oh, I like this. Yeah. And this

00:29:37.730 --> 00:29:40.069
was a poll that they did, and I forgot the name

00:29:40.069 --> 00:29:43.130
of the online magazine. I mean, just if you have

00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:46.029
any questions, Google it. It'll come up. They

00:29:46.029 --> 00:29:49.289
say that the number one was Frank Zappa, Why

00:29:49.289 --> 00:29:51.930
Does It Hurt When I Pee. Oh, I know that song.

00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.390
Yeah. Yep. And yeah, it is a pretty interesting

00:29:55.390 --> 00:29:59.190
title, yes. This next one I knew all about, and

00:29:59.190 --> 00:30:01.630
I always thought it was funny. Tool, Hooker with

00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:04.450
a Penis. I know that song, too. That song is

00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:07.049
about when a fan came up and accused him of selling

00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:11.490
out. Yes. Yep. Which has nothing to do with the

00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:18.089
title. No. Alice in Chains, The Devil Put Dinosaurs

00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:21.410
Here. It's one of their... Don't know that one.

00:30:22.690 --> 00:30:25.750
It's on a side two, and I want to say it's off

00:30:25.750 --> 00:30:30.029
the dirt. And I think it was just a filler song.

00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:32.269
Yeah, it's probably a bonus track on something.

00:30:33.130 --> 00:30:35.730
That might be. That might be. So anyhow, because

00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:38.170
that was right at the time where they're starting

00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:42.369
to come out with the CD bonus track stuff to

00:30:42.369 --> 00:30:44.769
get them to kind of enhance the sales. Remember

00:30:44.769 --> 00:30:46.450
that whole stupid time where they were hiding

00:30:46.450 --> 00:30:48.650
the bonus tracks and you had to figure out how

00:30:48.650 --> 00:30:51.930
to get them? Yes. What a ridiculous game. That

00:30:51.930 --> 00:30:53.390
pissed me off. I'd be like, I'm not playing that.

00:30:53.670 --> 00:30:57.299
I'll just never hear it. I don't care. It's not

00:30:57.299 --> 00:30:59.119
like those songs are worth the shit anyhow. They're

00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:00.599
left over and they're like, hey, do you want

00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.119
to do something with this? And then the artist

00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.900
realized if you make them that hard to find,

00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:05.359
they're not going to get played and they're not

00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:06.720
going to get paid for them. Yeah, and they're

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.740
like, oops. The next one, I think you'll remember

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.599
this one. Queens of the Stone Age. I was a teenage

00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.980
hand model. Yeah. That was pretty good. There's

00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:21.180
an Alice Cooper song called I Love the Dead.

00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.420
Oh, I love that one. There's one called Dead

00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:27.730
Babies. Yep. Those are pretty rude. They are

00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:29.789
very rude, but not as rude as this next one.

00:31:29.890 --> 00:31:36.190
Oh, yeah? Marilyn Manson baboon rape party. I

00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:38.529
thought cake and sodomy was bad. Yeah, I know.

00:31:38.569 --> 00:31:43.390
Making fun of Catholic communion. I know. Oh,

00:31:43.589 --> 00:31:45.829
the Dead Kennedys had one called Too Drunk to

00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:47.650
Fuck. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that one. That was

00:31:47.650 --> 00:31:50.319
a good one. Yep. That was my ringtone for a while.

00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:54.779
Wow. It made me want to answer the phone real

00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:57.099
quick. And besides the name The Dead Kennedys.

00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:00.099
Yeah. That's one of the best band names ever.

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.420
Yeah. Now they have a few more after them. Yeah.

00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:05.160
I mean, they're like all of The Dead Kennedys.

00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:08.519
Yeah. They call themselves now. Joe Satriani.

00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:12.740
The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing. I have

00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:15.299
no idea, but I love the name. Talking about his

00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:21.109
penis, of course. This next one, I'm going to

00:32:21.109 --> 00:32:25.289
spell out the acronym to the last word. Cannibal

00:32:25.289 --> 00:32:28.430
corpse and trills ripped from a virgin's see

00:32:28.430 --> 00:32:32.009
you next Tuesday. Yeah, I've heard of that one.

00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:39.549
Yeah. Primus, Wyonna's big brown beaver. Yes.

00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:43.579
I've made it a point to never listen to that

00:32:43.579 --> 00:32:45.980
song. I just want to hear the title. That's enough.

00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:49.039
Yeah, and that's it. But however, the bass on

00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.160
that is insane. Yeah, it's always insane on the

00:32:52.160 --> 00:33:00.859
Primus. Gore. Preschool prostitute. Oh, your

00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:04.920
childhood ruined. You're welcome. Oh my gosh.

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.259
And finally, Pink Floyd. Several species of small

00:33:09.259 --> 00:33:11.740
furry animals gathered together in a cave and

00:33:11.740 --> 00:33:14.539
grooved them with a pick. Yeah, I know that song.

00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:17.380
I do too. That is funny. And a pick is actually

00:33:17.380 --> 00:33:19.720
the name for a person of a certain ethnicity.

00:33:20.740 --> 00:33:23.440
I think it speaks a certain language. I think

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.880
you're right. We went into it on a different

00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.859
podcast a little bit about it. But I would agree

00:33:29.859 --> 00:33:31.740
that I thought it should have been higher up

00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:34.799
on the list. It's kind of one of those obnoxious

00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.480
songs, like they're coming to take me away. Yeah,

00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.039
like that, yeah. Yeah, it really is a bunch of

00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.559
animal noises, and then you get some guy speaking

00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.259
in an accent you can't understand, and it's all

00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:47.200
echoey and weird, and it lasts for a while, and

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:48.700
then it goes away. And it wasn't really meant

00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:51.000
to be anything except a pain in the ass song,

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.900
and you have to get by to go to another one.

00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.200
That was on Uma Gama, was the double album, where

00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.099
each band member got to do an entire side. That's

00:34:01.099 --> 00:34:04.069
right. Yeah. The side the drummer did was pretty

00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:08.309
awful. I wanted it to be cool. Nick Mason? Hell

00:34:08.309 --> 00:34:12.889
of a drummer. I love Nick Mason's work. His side

00:34:12.889 --> 00:34:13.789
of the album was pretty poor. Have him write

00:34:13.789 --> 00:34:20.409
a song, not so much. Alright, you got something?

00:34:20.630 --> 00:34:22.650
Yeah, bands that peaked with their very first

00:34:22.650 --> 00:34:25.429
album. I don't know that one either. Some of

00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:27.289
these are controversial, so be it seen here.

00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:33.139
This goes in chronological order. 1967, The Doors'

00:34:33.219 --> 00:34:36.960
first album. Had all their best material. They'd

00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.800
been working on it for a couple years. All four

00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.079
of them still wanted to be in a rock band, and

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:46.059
Morrison wasn't too wasted yet. But even by the

00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:48.179
next album, all that was going by the wayside.

00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.659
Oh, I know, and I agree with that 100%. That's

00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:53.239
probably the best example of a band that just

00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.719
had all their material, and then they had nothing

00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.650
else to offer. Yeah. Jim Morrison was constantly

00:34:58.650 --> 00:35:00.849
fucked up. He didn't want to be a part of it.

00:35:00.909 --> 00:35:03.369
He wanted to write poetry. He wanted to make

00:35:03.369 --> 00:35:06.530
movies. He wanted to go on mystical retreats.

00:35:06.530 --> 00:35:09.809
He wanted to be wasted 24 -7. And he very quickly

00:35:09.809 --> 00:35:11.309
decided, you know, I really don't want to be

00:35:11.309 --> 00:35:13.949
in a band anymore. I hate fame. I hate being

00:35:13.949 --> 00:35:17.329
recognized. So yeah, their first album was really

00:35:17.329 --> 00:35:20.750
the lightning in the model. Yeah, and it spoke

00:35:20.750 --> 00:35:24.500
for itself. It was a fantastic album. but it

00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:26.739
was like that's what they wanted to do and that

00:35:26.739 --> 00:35:31.320
was it so okay 1967 also the first album from

00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.800
velvet underground it was so radically different

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.559
from anything else lou reed was the lead singer

00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.159
and you're like 1967 that was the summer of love

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:46.119
hippies flower power lou reed was singing about

00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.960
heroin addiction and prostitution and sadomasochism

00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.760
that's how different this was that's funny yeah

00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.559
that's awesome supposedly they only sold 30 ,000

00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.460
copies of that first album but the managers quoted

00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:04.119
saying everyone who bought one of those 30 ,000

00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.519
copies went out and started a band that's how

00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.659
influential it was wow and they did put out some

00:36:11.659 --> 00:36:14.400
more albums after that but nothing nothing matched

00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.840
that initial um yeah uh 30 ,000 I'm going to

00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.460
do this here real quick, and then we'll get back

00:36:21.460 --> 00:36:24.800
into them. 30 ,000 downloads now is like something.

00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:28.500
They're really happy about that. 30 ,000 albums

00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:30.880
was nothing back then. It shows you how music's

00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.199
changed. There was a lot more money invested

00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:38.679
up front. Yeah, there was. 1969, King Crimson.

00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.900
Really, really ugly album cover. That was on

00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.239
our list for ugliest album covers. I said that

00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.019
wrong. 30 ,000 albums now is big. Yeah. Not 30

00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:53.340
,000 downloads. Yeah, back then 30 ,000 albums

00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:55.480
was nothing. But now 30 ,000 albums would be

00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.219
a big deal. Yeah, it would be like maybe number

00:36:57.219 --> 00:36:59.679
10 or something. Yeah. Anyhow, sorry, go ahead.

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.599
So in 69, King Crimson came out with an album.

00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.440
It combined the brand new progressive rock movement

00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.679
with hard rock and folk and jazz and classical.

00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:12.840
And no wonder, you know who the vocalist and

00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.190
bass player was? Uh -uh. Greg Lake. of Emerson,

00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:19.670
Lake, and Homer. And they had Robert Fripp on

00:37:19.670 --> 00:37:22.250
guitar and Ian MacDonald who played just about

00:37:22.250 --> 00:37:25.050
any instrument you would throw at him. And that

00:37:25.050 --> 00:37:27.469
really carried the whole album, these three awesome

00:37:27.469 --> 00:37:30.190
musicians. But by the second album, the lineup

00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:32.670
was already falling apart. And they just didn't

00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:35.170
have the creativity, they didn't have the musicianship.

00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:38.010
It just wasn't there. But that first album was

00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:41.500
just like the big deal. I'm saying that over

00:37:41.500 --> 00:37:43.880
and over. No, no, no, no. And also, I remember

00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.019
one of the bands I had on my list. Yeah. Guns

00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:50.139
N' Roses. And it's highly contested. That's true.

00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:52.840
No, that first album, Appetite for Destruction,

00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.920
was a great album, one of the great albums of

00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.679
our lifetime. It's on my list. Oh, it is? Okay.

00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:02.929
It is right here in 1987. Second from the last,

00:38:02.989 --> 00:38:05.929
yeah. I'll remember more, but I have a list at

00:38:05.929 --> 00:38:08.150
home. But anyhow, go ahead. So the next one is

00:38:08.150 --> 00:38:12.929
the MC5. They had the famous Kick Out the Jams

00:38:12.929 --> 00:38:15.869
motherfuckers. Their first album was recorded

00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:18.909
live over two days, I think, at the Chicago Ballroom,

00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:22.690
even though they were a Detroit band. Tons of

00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:25.690
energy, tons of raw power. All the songs they'd

00:38:25.690 --> 00:38:28.769
been practicing and working on for all their

00:38:28.769 --> 00:38:31.219
lives up to that point. They just couldn't replicate

00:38:31.219 --> 00:38:33.579
it after that. Everything after that just sounded

00:38:33.579 --> 00:38:38.280
weak and like a half effort. Okay. I would agree

00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.739
with that, too. And they carried so far. After

00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:45.219
that, they were really subpar. But, man, people

00:38:45.219 --> 00:38:49.119
still loved them. They were like a cult. 1972,

00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.300
Roxy Music. They were kind of art rock. Their

00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:57.260
very first album was musically very inventive,

00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:01.760
very creative. But every album after that, they

00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.099
got more and more commercial. They were chasing

00:39:04.099 --> 00:39:08.579
radio airplay. So the first album, that's really

00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:12.420
who Roxy Music was. Everything after that is

00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.579
kind of getting watered down until it all starts

00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:18.860
sounding like Brian Ferry's solo career. And

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:20.639
this leads me to a question that I'm going to

00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:28.219
ask after this. 1973, Lynyrd Skynyrd. That's

00:39:28.219 --> 00:39:29.960
controversial. They're saying their first album

00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:33.980
was their peak. Actually, I mean, I don't know,

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:39.340
though. I wasn't sure, but listen to the songs

00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:42.039
that were on that album. I Ain't the One, Gimme

00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.380
Three Steps, Tuesday's Gone, Simple Man, and

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:52.019
then it ended with Freebird. Okay. Wow. And again,

00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.519
this is a band that have been playing these songs

00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.159
together and playing them live. for a couple

00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.099
three years already before they got an album

00:40:00.099 --> 00:40:03.340
deal which usually doesn't happen anymore true

00:40:03.340 --> 00:40:05.420
so by the time they were ready to record this

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:08.659
album they had these songs polished and they

00:40:08.659 --> 00:40:10.860
had you know way more material than that but

00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:13.659
all their best stuff made the first album that's

00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:16.519
and then their second album was the stuff that

00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.880
didn't make the first album plus what they wrote

00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.400
in the meantime and then from then on is just

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.320
whatever they were writing at that moment I didn't

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.380
realize that Freebird was on that album. Yeah.

00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:30.519
For some reason. It ended their first album,

00:40:30.579 --> 00:40:32.739
and that was just like the band showing off,

00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:35.679
saying, look how good we are. Everybody deal

00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.940
with us now. It was a real coming out party.

00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:43.360
The guitar caught everybody by surprise, too.

00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:46.800
And that was with their original drummer, who

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.880
quickly got to the point where he wasn't quite...

00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:54.090
versatile enough to handle the material they

00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:55.949
were writing, so they replaced them with Artemis

00:40:55.949 --> 00:41:05.030
Pyle. 1973, the New York Dolls. They reveled

00:41:05.030 --> 00:41:07.769
in their sloppiness and mistakes. They were like

00:41:07.769 --> 00:41:11.969
punk before there was punk. They helped kickstart

00:41:11.969 --> 00:41:15.369
the punk movement. It was loud and rude, and

00:41:15.369 --> 00:41:18.539
everybody on the album cover was in drag. So,

00:41:18.619 --> 00:41:21.519
it was New York Dolls, so of course it sold,

00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.219
and everybody bought it, and everyone listened

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:26.380
to it, and the punk movement kind of took over

00:41:26.380 --> 00:41:28.480
from there, and the New York Dolls were seen

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.840
as, well, thanks for getting this going, but

00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.860
we got who we want now. Yeah, yeah, what's his

00:41:33.860 --> 00:41:36.699
name, died recently. David Johansson. Yes. Yeah.

00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:42.360
Patti Smith in 1975. She was associated with

00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.639
Bruce Springsteen for a bit. I didn't know that.

00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:48.059
She had her first album was called Horses. And

00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:53.460
she meant it as a reset of rock and roll music.

00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.519
Because she was tired of the excesses of the

00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.920
60s. All the drugs, the mysticism, the eastern

00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:03.539
religions, all the overdose deaths, all that

00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:06.400
stuff. She's like, let's just get rid of this

00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.880
and rejuvenate rock into something hard and good

00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.539
and fast. It came out a full five months before

00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:16.880
the Ramones' first album did. The Ramones are

00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:18.619
the ones who get credited for starting punk.

00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:21.480
Yeah, they did, yeah. But Patti Smith's album

00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.360
was just, it was like three chord songs full

00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.019
of attitude. That's punk. And I remember ignoring

00:42:27.019 --> 00:42:28.719
it at the time, but I want to go back and listen

00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:33.559
to it and see how it holds up. Okay, that's a

00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:35.500
good idea. I think I'll listen to some of it

00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:40.500
too. Boston in 1976, their first album. Yeah,

00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:43.760
classic. It invented album -oriented rock radio.

00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.360
which is what KY -102 was. Before Boston, it

00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.400
really didn't exist. The album was consistently

00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.619
good all the way through. The recording quality

00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:56.079
was great. There again, songs that Tom Scholz

00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.860
had been working on for years and recording multiple

00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:01.539
times and getting it perfected and getting it

00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:04.260
right. And this was a genre that was used in

00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:07.730
radio. Yeah. Album -oriented rock meant that

00:43:07.730 --> 00:43:09.570
you could go through the album and pick out a

00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:11.510
song that was popular. Didn't have to be the

00:43:11.510 --> 00:43:13.329
single. Yeah, didn't have to be the single. Yeah.

00:43:13.389 --> 00:43:16.349
And that's what KY really, that's what got them

00:43:16.349 --> 00:43:19.030
big. And I think every, pretty much every song

00:43:19.030 --> 00:43:21.429
on Boston's first album got significant radio

00:43:21.429 --> 00:43:23.530
airplay. Yeah. Because they were just good. And

00:43:23.530 --> 00:43:25.289
you're right, that is what started it right there.

00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:27.949
Before it was like, this is the hit and this

00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:29.989
is the side B, this is the hit and this is the

00:43:29.989 --> 00:43:33.010
side B. Yeah, Casey Kasem's American Top 40 was

00:43:33.010 --> 00:43:34.820
still a big deal, but pretty soon, People are

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:36.820
like, I don't care what the top 40 is. There's

00:43:36.820 --> 00:43:39.119
all this other good music that they don't even

00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.519
pay attention to. And there's a lot of DJs that

00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.960
could get credit for this, too. Because that's

00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.800
how a lot of the songs got popular. They're late

00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.199
at night at 2 a .m. The DJ's high. It's the song

00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.440
he wants to hear. Program director's asleep.

00:43:54.860 --> 00:44:00.260
Nobody knows. But by the second album, it was

00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:02.280
songs he was having to start to write again.

00:44:02.909 --> 00:44:05.449
And he was starting to realize how badly he'd

00:44:05.449 --> 00:44:07.949
been screwed by the record label. And his heart

00:44:07.949 --> 00:44:10.110
really wasn't in it. And he started getting involved

00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:13.789
in electronics. He put out the Rockman, which

00:44:13.789 --> 00:44:17.610
was like the very first headphone amp. He joined

00:44:17.610 --> 00:44:20.469
up with Peavey and started putting out amplifiers.

00:44:21.309 --> 00:44:24.929
So Boston, the album, the band kind of took a

00:44:24.929 --> 00:44:26.750
backseat. And they all were professionals before

00:44:26.750 --> 00:44:30.309
that, anyhow, weren't they? And from the third

00:44:30.309 --> 00:44:33.940
album on, it was all drum machines. Oh, yeah,

00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:36.380
that's right. I forgot. Yeah. And the third album

00:44:36.380 --> 00:44:38.679
was, like, released, like, ten years after the

00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.639
other two. But that was designed like that. They

00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.420
owed the record company one more, and they said,

00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.300
okay, we'll get to it sometime. Yep. Oh, and

00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.719
then just a little bit later, the Ramones in

00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.679
1976. It was the official start of the punk movement.

00:44:54.139 --> 00:44:57.219
And that was their best album, so, yeah, I agree.

00:44:58.019 --> 00:45:03.789
It was a 29 -minute album. That's punk. 14 and

00:45:03.789 --> 00:45:08.530
a half minutes per side. And, you know, after

00:45:08.530 --> 00:45:11.050
that album, they just repeated themselves. I

00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:14.349
mean, Jethro Tull did a side. Jethro Tull did

00:45:14.349 --> 00:45:17.170
a side. That was almost that long. Yeah, almost

00:45:17.170 --> 00:45:19.949
that long. Yeah. There's a Pink Floyd song called

00:45:19.949 --> 00:45:23.010
Echoes that's over 23 minutes just itself. That's

00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:25.190
a great one right there. It's side two of metal.

00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:29.159
Yeah. I tried to download that the other day,

00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.519
and all I could find was the 16 -minute version.

00:45:31.659 --> 00:45:33.599
It's like, oh, you've got to give me those seven

00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.380
minutes back, man. That's a third of the song.

00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:40.340
And it wasn't radio play that did that. They

00:45:40.340 --> 00:45:42.719
never played it on the radio. Probably the streaming

00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.820
service just didn't want to have such big file

00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:46.260
cluttering up there. They wanted you grabbing

00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:50.840
other songs, I guess. All right, 1977, Meatloaf,

00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.079
Bad Outta Hell. Definitely the peak of his career.

00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.940
Definitely. Bad Out of Hell 2 was way later,

00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.119
and it wasn't as good. And it was Jim Steinman,

00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:03.880
and that was the best. Jim Steinman was really

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:08.480
good at the rock opera, if you will. So, yeah,

00:46:08.619 --> 00:46:12.119
Bad Out of Hell was by far, by far better than

00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.639
anything else. But Bad Out of Hell 2 was really

00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:20.980
stellar. We'd all moved on by then. What a great

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:25.559
example. In 77, when his album came out, perfect

00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.320
blend of the material, because it was some longer

00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.679
songs and more inventive songs. It kind of had

00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.159
a little bit of Springsteen vibe to it. The performer

00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:40.019
and the time. Todd Rundgren produced that album,

00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.119
played guitar on it. That album, you could say

00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.480
so much about it, too. Yeah. One of my favorite

00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.699
songs doesn't get played on the radio much. It's

00:46:50.699 --> 00:46:53.360
All Ripped Up With No Place To Go. Oh, yeah,

00:46:53.420 --> 00:46:55.059
that's a good song. That's an excellent song.

00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:56.739
I never learned how to play that one. He's the

00:46:56.739 --> 00:46:59.460
one that I described swagger to. Yes. Okay, he's

00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.079
a big, fat, greasy bitch, but it didn't matter.

00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:04.260
Yep. Women loved him. But, you know, the success

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:08.739
of that album really paralyzed. And it got to

00:47:08.739 --> 00:47:11.179
where he physically couldn't sing because he

00:47:11.179 --> 00:47:13.980
was so stressed out about not living up to what

00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:16.000
he'd already put out. And that's when he got

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.900
into acting. Yeah. Rocky Horror, he was the best

00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:22.920
character on that. He was actually doing Rocky

00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.280
Horror before he made the album. He was doing

00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.739
the stage play, and then he was filming the movie

00:47:27.739 --> 00:47:32.980
while he was working on the album. And then after...

00:47:33.739 --> 00:47:37.219
He put out a low -budget movie called Roadies.

00:47:37.820 --> 00:47:41.300
Yeah. With Alice Cooper and Khaki Hunter and

00:47:41.300 --> 00:47:45.400
the guy from the Jackie Gleason show. I can't

00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.239
remember his name. Old guy. Yeah. Anyway, but

00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.539
Jim Steinman put all the stuff he had. From 1977,

00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:55.539
that was all the best stuff he had up to that

00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:59.079
point. He put it on that album. As you said,

00:47:59.179 --> 00:48:01.460
Bad Outta Hell 2 took a while, and by that time,

00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.650
it was hairband time. Yeah, it was. So nobody

00:48:03.650 --> 00:48:05.670
was really interested in Meatloaf anymore. Yeah.

00:48:05.789 --> 00:48:09.190
It was all skinny guys and leather and hair.

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:12.710
That's true. Although it did hit well. Yeah,

00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:16.650
it did. And it actually paved the way for Meatloaf

00:48:16.650 --> 00:48:18.829
to do a couple more tours that were very successful.

00:48:18.989 --> 00:48:21.349
Yeah. But then after that, he followed it up

00:48:21.349 --> 00:48:23.650
with another album that did nothing. I forgot

00:48:23.650 --> 00:48:26.789
what the name of it was. Yeah. But it wasn't

00:48:26.789 --> 00:48:29.639
Jim Steinman either. Yeah. And then there's that

00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.719
one song, I'll Do Anything for Love, but I Won't

00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:33.119
Do That. Yeah, that was a big one. That was off

00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:38.119
that later album. Okay, another album came out

00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.420
in 77. A lot of people haven't heard of this,

00:48:40.420 --> 00:48:43.900
but it's a band called Television. Tom Verlaine

00:48:43.900 --> 00:48:48.059
was the guitar vocalist and driving force behind

00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:53.940
it. It was a mix of blues and rock and jazz and

00:48:53.940 --> 00:48:57.460
improv. Lots of jagged rhythms, lots of really

00:48:57.460 --> 00:49:01.239
exploratory guitar solos. It was just so totally

00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.239
different from anything of the time because in

00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:07.079
77 we had basically punk and disco and the remains

00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.480
of hard rock that were kind of fighting for the

00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.400
airwaves. Van Halen wasn't out yet. But this

00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.840
album, Television, I remember the music magazines

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.039
I was reading at the time making a big deal of

00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.039
it. It was one of those albums that blew up within

00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.260
the music industry and other musicians listened

00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:27.119
to it and bought copies and were influenced by

00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.480
it. But the general public was like, huh? We

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:38.800
didn't care. 1978, The Cars. Their first album.

00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.860
They peaked. And I can kind of see that. It was

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:44.679
a lot of really good songs. Still had that kind

00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:51.199
of punky new age delivery. Their follow -up album,

00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:56.719
Candio, was decent, but they had more poppy kind

00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.119
of hits on it. And then by the third album, the

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.420
synthesizer was really taking over, and it was

00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:05.000
drum machine from that point on. They would do

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.079
the album with a drum machine, and then the drummer

00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.840
would have to learn the parts so they could go

00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.920
play live. Wow. Yeah, it just sucked. That was

00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.019
Heartbeat City was the start of drum machines.

00:50:18.699 --> 00:50:22.179
1978, Devo, their first album, Are We Not Men.

00:50:23.420 --> 00:50:27.679
That was their entire creative wad. Everything

00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.539
after that was way more commercial, way more

00:50:31.539 --> 00:50:36.280
danceable, a lot of repetitive. They had another

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.900
album called New Traditionalists that had some

00:50:38.900 --> 00:50:41.019
pretty decent songs with the crew being cool

00:50:41.019 --> 00:50:45.039
and it's a wonderful world, but then they had

00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.789
some real stinkers on it too. But that first

00:50:47.789 --> 00:50:49.929
album, I think everybody was just so excited

00:50:49.929 --> 00:50:52.590
about their cover of the Rolling Stones' Satisfaction.

00:50:52.789 --> 00:50:55.550
Uh -huh. I remember that. Yeah, I remember seeing

00:50:55.550 --> 00:50:58.090
them on Saturday Night Live, and it's like, who

00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:04.230
the hell are these guys? Yeah. But that's my

00:51:04.230 --> 00:51:06.170
favorite version of Satisfaction now, is the

00:51:06.170 --> 00:51:09.969
Stones' version. Now here's another controversial

00:51:09.969 --> 00:51:14.750
one. Van Halen. Their initial 1978 release...

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.079
A lot of people see that as their peak. I thought

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:23.659
it was their best album. Van Halen 2 was good,

00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:26.380
but I think the first one was the best. I think

00:51:26.380 --> 00:51:30.019
the one thing that's cited is the enormous impact

00:51:30.019 --> 00:51:34.119
that Eddie and that album had on guitar playing

00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.280
in general. It was just unequal. And when their

00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.780
second album came out, everybody was like, yeah,

00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.920
we already know. It was as good. They had albums

00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.760
as good as the first, but most people say they

00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.119
never really surpassed that first album as far

00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.679
as the tightness. And then again, there again,

00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:55.639
they had been playing in the L .A. club scene

00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.280
for at least a couple years before they put that

00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.059
album out. So these are songs they played live

00:52:01.059 --> 00:52:03.800
hundreds of times. So they had them perfect.

00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:06.599
And then from that point on, they had to write

00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.980
songs while they were on the road touring. Yeah,

00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:10.500
and they weren't nearly as good at it because

00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:15.710
they were so busy partying. Yes, yes. The Pretenders

00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:20.849
in 1979. The original lineup did not last. Two

00:52:20.849 --> 00:52:24.309
members left, one nothing left, one died by the

00:52:24.309 --> 00:52:27.550
time the second album came around. Songwriting

00:52:27.550 --> 00:52:31.530
was vastly different by the second album. And

00:52:31.530 --> 00:52:34.730
also by the second album, it's such a copycat

00:52:34.730 --> 00:52:37.869
business that everybody was signing bands with

00:52:37.869 --> 00:52:40.730
female lead singers. So Chrissy Hynde was no

00:52:40.730 --> 00:52:43.250
longer that big a deal. Because there were like

00:52:43.250 --> 00:52:45.329
a dozen more that they were trying to show. Oh,

00:52:45.389 --> 00:52:48.630
she's just like her. So the first album made

00:52:48.630 --> 00:52:53.469
a big splash. And then all the wannabes and hangers

00:52:53.469 --> 00:52:58.610
-on and bandwagoners showed up. Plus, I think

00:52:58.610 --> 00:53:00.630
the guitar player and the bass player both died.

00:53:00.929 --> 00:53:04.489
One died and one left. So she was down to her

00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:07.329
and the drummer. So, yeah, the music's going

00:53:07.329 --> 00:53:09.889
to sound different on the next album. Yes, very

00:53:09.889 --> 00:53:12.349
different. The drummer was decent. I thought

00:53:12.349 --> 00:53:17.030
he was okay. But, eh, anyway. All right, here's

00:53:17.030 --> 00:53:18.690
one I'm really interested to get your opinion

00:53:18.690 --> 00:53:22.949
on. Ozzy's first album in 1990, Blizzard of Oz.

00:53:24.230 --> 00:53:28.889
I've thought about this a lot, and I don't know,

00:53:28.969 --> 00:53:32.309
because here's why. And I can argue this really

00:53:32.309 --> 00:53:36.489
good. Okay. Diary of a Madman was probably just

00:53:36.489 --> 00:53:39.570
as good. It could even be musically a little

00:53:39.570 --> 00:53:46.309
bit better. But as far as shock, hard -hitting,

00:53:46.449 --> 00:53:54.130
surprise. Yeah, just bold, in -your -face, pick

00:53:54.130 --> 00:53:57.250
your adjective. It all fits. Yeah, because he

00:53:57.250 --> 00:54:00.550
was dead in the water. He was. And nobody expected

00:54:00.550 --> 00:54:03.389
anything from him. No. Everyone expected him

00:54:03.389 --> 00:54:05.050
to go away and never hear from him again. Yeah,

00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:07.670
and they had the new Hot Shot guitarist with

00:54:07.670 --> 00:54:10.329
a hell of a band, Lee Kerslake at the time, and

00:54:10.329 --> 00:54:15.929
then was it Rudy Sarzo? Yeah, I think it was.

00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:19.969
Okay. And then Kerslake was replaced with Tommy

00:54:19.969 --> 00:54:23.449
Haltridge. So Diary of a Bad Man was, to me,

00:54:23.469 --> 00:54:25.690
about on the same level. I may like Blizzard

00:54:25.690 --> 00:54:27.670
a little bit better, I'm not for sure, but Diary

00:54:27.670 --> 00:54:29.730
had some really good songs, like Over the Mountain

00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:33.440
and stuff like that. But then, okay, let's fast

00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.239
forward. The Jakey Lee stuff was good, but none

00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.579
of it was as high a level as No More Tears. Yeah.

00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.760
A lot of people argue No More Tears was his apex.

00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.900
I can see that, too. Yeah. So if you look at

00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:50.320
it hit -wise, No More Tears sold it. He was way

00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.619
more mature of an artist at that point. Yes.

00:54:52.619 --> 00:54:55.280
For No More Tears. But Blizzard of Oz was like...

00:54:55.389 --> 00:54:58.750
Look what I can do. Yes. He's like the kid where

00:54:58.750 --> 00:55:00.289
you've just got a bike and he wants to show you

00:55:00.289 --> 00:55:01.829
all the tricks he can do on it. Yeah, and he

00:55:01.829 --> 00:55:05.829
had this new hotshot band. So I would say musically

00:55:05.829 --> 00:55:09.909
and sonically, No More Tears probably won. Yeah.

00:55:10.010 --> 00:55:12.570
But it depends. It's all a taste thing from here.

00:55:12.710 --> 00:55:15.989
Yeah, true. Because I put No More Tears and the

00:55:15.989 --> 00:55:18.769
first two on the same level. The Jakey Lee stuff

00:55:18.769 --> 00:55:21.849
was nice, but it wasn't the same thing. True.

00:55:22.090 --> 00:55:24.699
No Rest for the Wicked was nice. But it wasn't

00:55:24.699 --> 00:55:27.420
the same thing. Zach Wild learned how to write

00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.980
a song on No More Tears. And they also have Bob

00:55:30.980 --> 00:55:33.659
Daisley back. And Bob Daisley was so good at

00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:37.340
doing the intricate music. And he grew as a musician

00:55:37.340 --> 00:55:40.440
in between, too. And it was like the perfect

00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.019
marriage. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I

00:55:45.019 --> 00:55:47.960
put those three albums as some of the best albums

00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.900
ever written. Yeah. I don't know. The reasoning

00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:55.199
on this list was... It was the combination of

00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.840
a brand new sound for Ozzy and Randy Rhoads on

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:03.300
guitar and the subject material was like fresh

00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:05.820
and brand new and like totally not Black Sabbath.

00:56:06.099 --> 00:56:09.780
Yes. And it's like that combo, like they just

00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:12.239
like peaked at number one and there's nowhere,

00:56:12.500 --> 00:56:14.559
they can't get any higher. So it's like they

00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.179
say they were right there at the top and they

00:56:16.179 --> 00:56:18.949
stayed good. But they couldn't get any higher

00:56:18.949 --> 00:56:21.530
because they started right at the top. That very

00:56:21.530 --> 00:56:23.570
well might be true. Yeah, I can see how they

00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:25.309
get that perspective. And you've got to credit

00:56:25.309 --> 00:56:27.250
Ozzy because everybody wanted him to do Sabbath,

00:56:27.329 --> 00:56:29.210
and he said, I don't want to do that. He goes,

00:56:29.309 --> 00:56:31.789
this is a different band, and no. He said, we

00:56:31.789 --> 00:56:34.750
did that as well as it could be done. I don't

00:56:34.750 --> 00:56:36.429
want to go there again. I want to do my own thing.

00:56:36.469 --> 00:56:38.849
I'm solo. That's not smart to directly compete

00:56:38.849 --> 00:56:41.329
against the band you just left. No, and Sabbath

00:56:41.329 --> 00:56:44.469
changed their sound quite a bit too. They're

00:56:44.469 --> 00:56:46.829
more heavy metal. They weren't psychedelic. Yeah,

00:56:46.849 --> 00:56:48.670
that's true. And that was because Dio's voice

00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:53.690
was, you know, so prominent, so prolific, and

00:56:53.690 --> 00:56:56.449
so gothic that they couldn't really do, you know,

00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:59.449
could you imagine? Him doing fairies wear boots

00:56:59.449 --> 00:57:02.949
or something like that? Not really. Although

00:57:02.949 --> 00:57:06.130
he did good on the old Sabbath stuff live. He

00:57:06.130 --> 00:57:09.869
did good, but that's not him. And that was a

00:57:09.869 --> 00:57:13.670
Sabbath identity with him. So this was one of

00:57:13.670 --> 00:57:16.469
the deals where both bands, well, the guy that

00:57:16.469 --> 00:57:19.489
was kicked out ousted and the new band with a

00:57:19.489 --> 00:57:21.630
new singer, you know, the band with a new singer.

00:57:22.489 --> 00:57:25.329
actually went on to very successful afterwards.

00:57:25.690 --> 00:57:28.210
Yeah. That hardly ever happens. That's true.

00:57:28.309 --> 00:57:29.949
That's true. Yeah, usually one of them does well

00:57:29.949 --> 00:57:32.670
and the other one flops, or they both flop. Yeah,

00:57:32.789 --> 00:57:34.710
the only other example that comes to mind right

00:57:34.710 --> 00:57:37.750
off the bat is when Peter Gabriel left Genesis.

00:57:37.949 --> 00:57:40.690
That's a good example. They've both had great

00:57:40.690 --> 00:57:45.030
careers since. Yeah, yeah. The only thing I can

00:57:45.030 --> 00:57:48.750
say about that is Peter Gabriel is a certain

00:57:48.750 --> 00:57:52.050
type of an audience. Yeah. And Genesis was poppy.

00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:55.280
With Phil Collins. Yeah, yeah. They definitely

00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.699
got more pop -oriented. Yeah, but, I mean, you

00:57:57.699 --> 00:57:59.980
can't argue success on both of them. Absolutely.

00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.179
Coincidentally, the next up on the list in 1983

00:58:05.179 --> 00:58:10.000
is Dio. Vivian Campbell on guitar, Dio on the

00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.579
vocals. 100%. I agree with that 100%. Is it the

00:58:13.579 --> 00:58:15.539
energy and the power were never equal? Never

00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:17.880
equal. Did Vivian, I imagine, wrote a number

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.219
of those songs? Was he co -writer or was he just

00:58:22.219 --> 00:58:24.800
playing? I remember one of the things that Vivian

00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:26.900
Campbell was mad was the same thing about Jakey

00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:29.920
Lee. Each one of these artists did not give enough

00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.840
credit for songwriting. They gave it all to Dio,

00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:34.599
pretty much, and they gave all the songwriting

00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:39.480
credit to Ozzy, which is absurd. So, yeah, I

00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:41.559
remember Vivian Campbell saying that, so I could

00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:44.119
see him having a big chunk of what was happening,

00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.800
besides his guitar style, was European. True,

00:58:47.860 --> 00:58:50.420
true. Which would mean that he would write those

00:58:50.420 --> 00:58:52.300
kind of songs. He wouldn't be doing the Jakey

00:58:52.300 --> 00:58:55.940
Lee stuff. As a matter of fact, Jakey Lee auditioned

00:58:55.940 --> 00:58:58.579
for Dio. Oh, wow. Yeah, and Dio turned him down

00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:01.380
because he had the L .A. sound. And Dio was like,

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.199
no, no, no, no, no. I want to do the European

00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.460
sound. I want to do metal. I don't want to do

00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:09.320
this stuff. I would say Holy Diver was the best

00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.079
album Dio ever done solo, without a doubt. Last

00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.820
in Line was really good. but it never did equal

00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:21.019
the power, the mystic. This little deal, the

00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:24.280
shocking, the shockiness of a preacher being

00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.519
thrown in the water and changed by a demon. I

00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.380
remember that cover. Yeah. And what he was talking

00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:32.320
about was, I believe he was talking about the

00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.619
hypocrisy of religion. Yeah. I don't think it

00:59:35.619 --> 00:59:37.980
had anything to do with anything much else, except

00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:39.800
he was talking about how, you know, hey, this

00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.139
is just, you know, he viewed religion as bullshit.

00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:50.800
Yeah, I agree with it. What do you think? I would

00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:57.360
say so, yeah. The impact was enormous. And again,

00:59:57.500 --> 01:00:00.239
no one expected his solo album to do a whole

01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.420
lot. I mean, a lot of the mainstream people didn't,

01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:05.380
and it just blew up. You couldn't get away from

01:00:05.380 --> 01:00:09.639
it on radio. Always on. It was powerful and sent

01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.539
a different message than a lot of songs were.

01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.579
But I got something a little bit different there.

01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:18.179
Remember his album Dream Evil? Yeah. He already

01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:20.119
went down the toilet and then he got Greg Goldie.

01:00:20.579 --> 01:00:24.639
Dream Evil was a classic album. It wasn't Holy

01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.880
Diver, but it is definitely Last in Line quality,

01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.940
if not a little bit better. And that was done

01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:33.460
with a different guitarist and a different type

01:00:33.460 --> 01:00:37.710
of a sound. Oh, wow. And a lot of people were

01:00:37.710 --> 01:00:40.409
saying, you know, was that his second coming?

01:00:40.510 --> 01:00:43.489
Was that the second best album he ever did? But

01:00:43.489 --> 01:00:45.869
it's kind of weird because he went through that

01:00:45.869 --> 01:00:49.389
Sacred Heart flopped. Didn't do anything. And

01:00:49.389 --> 01:00:51.190
that's when he started looking a little bit more

01:00:51.190 --> 01:00:53.070
glammy and trying to write more glammy songs

01:00:53.070 --> 01:00:55.190
because that's what the record company told him

01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:58.170
they had to do to stay relevant. Then he kind

01:00:58.170 --> 01:01:00.929
of went back to that Dream Evil kind of mystical,

01:01:01.090 --> 01:01:05.380
that dragons, dungeons, all this stuff. And that

01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:07.840
hit really, I mean, it didn't hit that big, but

01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.780
it was a great album and everybody that knew

01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:12.440
Dio was like crazy over it, including me. I thought

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.460
it was a fantastic album. Could have been his

01:01:14.460 --> 01:01:17.699
second best. And albums like that, you don't

01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:20.079
necessarily look at their initial sales? No.

01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.000
Because the sales over time really tell the tale

01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:25.880
of how important the album is. It held up very

01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:27.800
well. It is a completely different sound, but

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.079
it was... And I would say that that was his second

01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:34.099
best effort. Actually, a lot of the band was

01:01:34.099 --> 01:01:37.139
different. It wasn't just Greg Goldie. I believe

01:01:37.139 --> 01:01:39.320
after Sacred Heart, he was so pissed off, he

01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.599
fired most of the band. Even though he was the

01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.420
one that co -signed on it. Yeah, really. Anyhow,

01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:47.800
go ahead. Yeah, it's like firing the head coach

01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:49.639
because you can't fire the whole team. Yeah,

01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.900
yep. All right. Besides, his name was on the

01:01:52.900 --> 01:01:57.199
band. Yeah. 1987, Guns N' Roses, Appetite for

01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.980
Destruction. I agree. Yeah, it's their best material,

01:02:00.219 --> 01:02:03.039
the best cohesion of the band, the best lineup

01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.420
they ever had, the best energy, and it was the

01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:07.679
last time they all got along. Izzy Stradlin,

01:02:07.780 --> 01:02:11.159
yeah, Izzy Stradlin is one of the, to me, one

01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:13.559
of the most underrated guitarists ever. He made

01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.639
that sound. Yeah. He did that. I call it kind

01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:19.599
of Rolling Stone's dirt sound, the clunks and

01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.190
the chunks and this. He did the rhythms that

01:02:23.190 --> 01:02:26.190
were so dirty. They were just nasty, filthy rhythms

01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:29.530
that complimented Slash. And the drumming was

01:02:29.530 --> 01:02:32.170
more simple with Adler than it was with Matt

01:02:32.170 --> 01:02:34.849
Sorum and whoever else they got. Yeah, I agree.

01:02:34.989 --> 01:02:37.769
And it fit their songs better. When Matt Sorum

01:02:37.769 --> 01:02:40.230
came in and started doing all his cool, fancy

01:02:40.230 --> 01:02:43.190
stuff, it just really didn't seem like Guns N'

01:02:43.269 --> 01:02:45.070
Roses anymore. Yeah, and they started building

01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:47.230
songs around that, in my opinion. They didn't

01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:49.699
really build them like... You know, Adler's just

01:02:49.699 --> 01:02:51.360
kind of like ancillary. He's like, okay, here's

01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:52.900
the beat that this gets, and everyone agrees.

01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:55.019
Okay, yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah,

01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.960
they started writing a guitar song, and then

01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:58.960
he'd create a rhythm for it. But, yeah, with

01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.199
Sorum, it was like they came up with a rhythm

01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.679
or an idea of feel, and then the guitars responded

01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.340
to that. It was a totally different way of writing

01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:12.340
songs. Yeah, it was. And now they hate him. And

01:03:12.340 --> 01:03:15.639
the cult still hates him for leaving. Yes, so

01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.570
he's kind of outcasted. I think he tried to go

01:03:18.570 --> 01:03:20.570
back to the cult, and they're like, no, no, no,

01:03:20.570 --> 01:03:24.010
no, no, no, not now. He'll just leave again.

01:03:24.510 --> 01:03:30.550
Yeah, yeah, just stay gone. Yeah, I mean, without

01:03:30.550 --> 01:03:33.469
a doubt. Now, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were

01:03:33.469 --> 01:03:36.090
good. Yeah. But they weren't the same quality,

01:03:36.170 --> 01:03:41.030
did not have the same sound. I agree. I saw a

01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:43.789
video this morning about the most expensive videos

01:03:43.789 --> 01:03:46.380
ever made. Number one on the list was November

01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:49.420
Rain. Yes. I think it cost them $11 million to

01:03:49.420 --> 01:03:51.639
make. The rest of Guns was so mad about that,

01:03:51.699 --> 01:03:54.260
too. They were really pissed. Yeah. Because Axl

01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:58.159
Rose was actually making his life story and not

01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.380
the actual song. Yeah. He was like, you know,

01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.760
showing his failed marriage, showing what a bitch

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.210
he was, showing his problems. They were really

01:04:08.210 --> 01:04:11.030
sick of it. Yeah, it was the Axl Rose show. Yes,

01:04:11.070 --> 01:04:13.190
and they were really sick of it, but then again,

01:04:13.289 --> 01:04:16.969
they were all on heroin. Yeah, they weren't awake

01:04:16.969 --> 01:04:20.230
and coherent to sign the papers, so too bad.

01:04:20.489 --> 01:04:25.469
Yeah, so Axl Rose, as crazy as he was, he controlled

01:04:25.469 --> 01:04:28.250
the band because he was the most sane. And the

01:04:28.250 --> 01:04:30.250
band would have just ended if he hadn't done

01:04:30.250 --> 01:04:31.469
all that. If he hadn't done that, and he knew

01:04:31.469 --> 01:04:32.949
that, and I've got to give him credit for that.

01:04:33.070 --> 01:04:35.929
On the same token, I can't give him credit for

01:04:35.929 --> 01:04:37.949
taking over the band and doing his own thing

01:04:37.949 --> 01:04:42.989
on so many things. I think Use Your Illusion

01:04:42.989 --> 01:04:44.789
1 and 2 would have been much better if he didn't

01:04:44.789 --> 01:04:47.690
have his influence about his life on it. Like

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:51.269
I said before, Sweet Child of Mine was written

01:04:51.269 --> 01:04:54.050
about Aaron Everly, and Coma was written around

01:04:54.050 --> 01:04:59.920
Aaron Everly. Of the Everly Brothers, their daughter.

01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:06.300
Anyhow. I lost my train of thought. There was

01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:08.159
another song written about her too, I forgot,

01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.260
but it wasn't good. I would imagine. Locomotion.

01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:17.880
Oh, okay. Doug Melrunger over. Not the dance

01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.199
hit. No, not the dance. Everybody's doing the

01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:25.619
locomotion. Come on everybody, do the locomotion.

01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:28.599
It was depressing this morning. I watched a video,

01:05:28.780 --> 01:05:30.920
you know, ten songs that are cover songs that

01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.860
you probably didn't know were cover songs. I

01:05:32.860 --> 01:05:35.159
knew all of them because I was alive when the

01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:39.639
originals came out. Didn't, like, Debbie Gibson

01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:43.179
do that or something, the locomotion? Grand Funk

01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:45.960
did it. Yeah, they did it first. No, theirs was

01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.719
a cover. Yeah, I know theirs. Oh, okay, okay.

01:05:48.739 --> 01:05:52.340
It was a girl group from the early 60s, I think,

01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.500
that did the original. Oh, okay. okay and it's

01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:57.519
you know it's the same and you know hand clap

01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:02.820
everyone they do you know it's basically i think

01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:05.239
i heard that i thought that was a cover of grand

01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.639
funk but i guess not all right last one on my

01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.079
list 1991 an artist that peaked with their very

01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.559
first album and this one i agree 100 on pearl

01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.320
jam yes they should have released that first

01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:23.460
album and then just gone away Because then after

01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:26.019
that, they got full of themselves. Yeah. Soundgarden

01:06:26.019 --> 01:06:31.099
did it way better. Who else was doing it way

01:06:31.099 --> 01:06:35.659
better? STP can be argued. Some people say it's

01:06:35.659 --> 01:06:38.360
the sound, but it's not. Alice in Chains, definitely.

01:06:38.739 --> 01:06:42.119
But on the first album, Pearl Jam was the most

01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.190
accessible musically. They were making an effort,

01:06:45.289 --> 01:06:47.369
at least, to make the songs accessible to your

01:06:47.369 --> 01:06:50.750
average listener. Every song had the possibility

01:06:50.750 --> 01:06:54.710
of being a radio hit. The band seemed very sincere,

01:06:54.989 --> 01:06:57.750
very believable. Making the music was the priority.

01:06:58.110 --> 01:07:03.239
I agree. And then they became, you know... guys

01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.579
with causes and social causes and things to say,

01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.340
and oh yeah, we kind of have this band too called

01:07:09.340 --> 01:07:11.679
Pearl Jam. Yeah, they got full of themselves.

01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:13.219
Yeah, absolutely. And that's when Eddie Vedder

01:07:13.219 --> 01:07:15.780
used to get out on stage and preach, which pissed

01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:17.320
people off. They're like, no, we didn't come

01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:20.599
here to, you tell us how we're ruining the environment

01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:22.920
when you're in your jumbo fucking plane driving

01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:26.719
here. Yeah. He is the height of hypocrisy and

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.500
people saw right through it. Yeah, they really

01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:31.030
misjudged that. Yeah, they did. They started

01:07:31.030 --> 01:07:33.849
putting a lot of really experimental stuff on

01:07:33.849 --> 01:07:37.530
their albums. I've got, I don't know if their

01:07:37.530 --> 01:07:40.210
second or third album called Vitology. Yeah,

01:07:40.250 --> 01:07:42.070
yeah. There's maybe two tracks on that I listen

01:07:42.070 --> 01:07:45.269
to, and the rest of it, to me, is just unlistenable.

01:07:45.449 --> 01:07:48.150
A song that almost complimented Guns, but they're

01:07:48.150 --> 01:07:53.130
glorified G. But it didn't come off. It was an

01:07:53.130 --> 01:07:55.909
anti -Guns song, but it didn't come off as that,

01:07:55.949 --> 01:07:57.769
and people are wondering about the message because

01:07:57.769 --> 01:08:00.449
they did it so horribly. Oh, yeah. It's something

01:08:00.449 --> 01:08:02.630
about what if I didn't carry a gun or something

01:08:02.630 --> 01:08:05.789
like that. Yeah, that's pretty bad when you're

01:08:05.789 --> 01:08:08.349
trying to make a statement and your message is

01:08:08.349 --> 01:08:10.389
so lost that nobody really knows what the hell

01:08:10.389 --> 01:08:11.670
you're talking about. Yeah, people were like,

01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:14.989
is this anti or pro? I would think it was anti

01:08:14.989 --> 01:08:18.170
being Pearl Jam. Yeah, yeah. But it almost sounded

01:08:18.170 --> 01:08:19.869
pro, like what would happen if I didn't carry

01:08:19.869 --> 01:08:23.409
my gun? What would happen? It's like, well, people

01:08:23.409 --> 01:08:25.510
are saying, are you saying you'd get killed if

01:08:25.510 --> 01:08:27.640
you didn't, you know? Yeah. It's like, what would

01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:30.279
happen if I didn't wear my seatbelt? Yes. That's

01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:32.939
the kind of attitude people took. But he probably

01:08:32.939 --> 01:08:35.159
meant it the other way. Yeah, he meant it like,

01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.199
what would happen if I didn't hate today? Yes.

01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.760
That's what he meant. Yeah. But it came off like,

01:08:41.939 --> 01:08:44.340
well, what if I didn't read the directions before

01:08:44.340 --> 01:08:46.739
taking this medicine? Yeah, and that song, I

01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:48.319
think, would have been a hit if it wasn't for

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.079
that. Yeah. Swing and a miss, every step of the

01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.039
way. Yeah, swing and miss, all of it. Victology

01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:58.060
was the end of them completely. I mean, they

01:08:58.060 --> 01:09:00.340
never had the elderly woman behind the counter

01:09:00.340 --> 01:09:04.920
song ever again. Ever again. Which I have to

01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:09.199
admit is pretty much a masterpiece. Because of

01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:13.239
the title and the sound of the song, the whole

01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:18.970
vibe of the song, the whole feeling. I mean,

01:09:19.010 --> 01:09:22.350
when I read that title, I'm like, that's what

01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:28.689
they're saying. Kind of a melancholy, this is

01:09:28.689 --> 01:09:32.770
life. I know a song like that. It's called, I

01:09:32.770 --> 01:09:35.250
think it's by the Boxhead Ensemble, and it's

01:09:35.250 --> 01:09:38.489
called Still Life. And a still life painting

01:09:38.489 --> 01:09:40.569
is basically, you know, something that's not

01:09:40.569 --> 01:09:43.470
moving, like a bowl of fruit sitting on a table.

01:09:44.550 --> 01:09:49.890
Like a... Yeah. Yeah. There's no living creature

01:09:49.890 --> 01:09:52.430
moving. There's no trees swaying. It's just a

01:09:52.430 --> 01:09:54.770
simple static object that's not doing anything.

01:09:54.770 --> 01:09:58.310
Like a snapshot in time. Yeah. So this song,

01:09:58.550 --> 01:10:02.489
somehow they managed to make the song seem like

01:10:02.489 --> 01:10:06.130
a still life painting or photograph. It's like

01:10:06.130 --> 01:10:10.109
nothing's happening. There's nothing alive or

01:10:10.109 --> 01:10:16.470
moving. It was just so weird. I felt dusty afterwards.

01:10:16.789 --> 01:10:19.069
I felt like I'd been sitting in storage for a

01:10:19.069 --> 01:10:21.750
couple of months. It was just the weirdest feeling.

01:10:22.149 --> 01:10:25.670
It's what I call a flatliner song. It's like

01:10:25.670 --> 01:10:28.189
it goes nowhere. It starts nowhere and it goes

01:10:28.189 --> 01:10:30.750
nowhere. Yeah, but it wasn't a bad song. It wasn't

01:10:30.750 --> 01:10:33.310
unpleasant. I listened to it over and over because

01:10:33.310 --> 01:10:36.470
I'm totally fascinated by this, but there's just

01:10:36.470 --> 01:10:39.750
nothing here. What is it that's drawing me in?

01:10:41.390 --> 01:10:45.979
Yeah. Stan Ridgeway writes some songs like that.

01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:50.720
He was in a band called Wall of Voodoo that had

01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:54.640
a hit with Mexican radio. He went solo, Stan

01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.479
Ridgeway, and he put out some really awesome

01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:00.439
stuff. That guy was very talented, very creative,

01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.739
but not all that disciplined. So you've got to

01:11:03.739 --> 01:11:05.479
kind of pick through and find the stuff you like,

01:11:05.539 --> 01:11:10.890
but I would recommend Stan Ridgeway. Okay. So

01:11:10.890 --> 01:11:16.029
I think that is all I have. Okay, I've got one

01:11:16.029 --> 01:11:21.430
more here. And then we can wrap this up. Which

01:11:21.430 --> 01:11:24.510
incarnation of Rainbow do you like the best?

01:11:25.010 --> 01:11:27.329
Starts off with Ronny James Dio and his mystical

01:11:27.329 --> 01:11:30.409
dungeon and dragon stuff with 20th century green

01:11:30.409 --> 01:11:34.069
sleeves. Yeah. Kill the King, stuff like that.

01:11:34.250 --> 01:11:38.529
Then they go to Graham Bonnet and his kind of

01:11:38.529 --> 01:11:42.810
power pop. almost pop, heavy rock, with Essentially

01:11:42.810 --> 01:11:45.189
Been Gone and stuff like that. And then it goes

01:11:45.189 --> 01:11:48.729
to Joe and Turner's radio, heavy radio airplay

01:11:48.729 --> 01:11:51.869
on in the United States. Do you have a favorite

01:11:51.869 --> 01:11:56.109
version of that? Which version did My Woman from

01:11:56.109 --> 01:11:59.470
Tokyo? Oh, that's purple. That was purple? Okay.

01:12:00.449 --> 01:12:03.630
I'm going to go with The Grand Bonnet. Me too.

01:12:03.750 --> 01:12:06.569
That was my favorite too. Because to me, the

01:12:06.569 --> 01:12:09.430
Street of Dreams and all that was good, but it

01:12:09.430 --> 01:12:12.109
didn't reach the apex that the other ones did.

01:12:12.369 --> 01:12:16.210
The Graham Bonnet version, it seemed like Richie

01:12:16.210 --> 01:12:18.689
Blackmore was relinquishing a little bit of control

01:12:18.689 --> 01:12:20.970
and not everything had to go exactly his way,

01:12:21.090 --> 01:12:23.750
which made for some better music. Yeah, and it

01:12:23.750 --> 01:12:26.029
sucks because Graham Bonnet was such a... He

01:12:26.029 --> 01:12:29.850
refused to do what people said, and Blackmore

01:12:29.850 --> 01:12:33.020
told him not to cut his hair. And so he had a

01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:35.079
guard. He kept saying, I'm cutting my hair, I'm

01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.479
cutting my hair. And he had a guard at his hotel

01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.920
room and he snuck out the window. Oh my gosh.

01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:41.880
And went and got his hair cut. And Blackmore

01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:46.039
fired him when he came up that next day. That's

01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.260
crazy. Yeah. Isn't that something? That guy was

01:12:49.260 --> 01:12:52.380
a control freak. Yeah, he was. Well, I get what

01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:55.500
Blackmore was saying because the whole... You're

01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:57.840
getting into the 80s. Yeah. Everybody had long

01:12:57.840 --> 01:12:59.279
hair and had to look cool. And he's like, no,

01:12:59.380 --> 01:13:01.500
we've got to do this because this is a part of

01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:04.140
it. And he wanted his whole band to look cool.

01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:06.279
So at the time, to look cool, it had to have

01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.239
long hair. And also, Graham Bonham was a dorky

01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:13.539
looking guy, too. He needed long hair. Long hair

01:13:13.539 --> 01:13:18.279
helped get me into a band. In 95, I was auditioning

01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.119
for a band called Weatherhead. And the singer...

01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.600
And the keyboard player had long hair, but the

01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.220
guitar player and the bass player did not. And

01:13:28.220 --> 01:13:31.539
the drummer I was replacing did not. And they

01:13:31.539 --> 01:13:34.100
had lost some gigs because the club owner was

01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:35.899
like, now you guys just don't look the part.

01:13:36.100 --> 01:13:38.680
I want long hair bands because that's what's

01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.159
in. I could see that too, yeah. So when I auditioned,

01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.579
and I did pretty well, and it was between me

01:13:44.579 --> 01:13:48.380
and one other guy, and they picked me because

01:13:48.380 --> 01:13:53.829
I had longer hair. And that sounds about right,

01:13:53.930 --> 01:13:58.810
because a lot of that type of rock was like that.

01:13:58.930 --> 01:14:02.409
You had to have a certain look. Yeah, a band

01:14:02.409 --> 01:14:05.069
like Weezer had not been invented yet, where

01:14:05.069 --> 01:14:07.869
you could go out and look like the high school

01:14:07.869 --> 01:14:10.470
nerds, but you can put out this heavy, thrashing,

01:14:10.510 --> 01:14:14.470
grungy, oversaturated guitar sound and everyone

01:14:14.470 --> 01:14:17.449
loses their mind. Yes. They put out some pretty

01:14:17.449 --> 01:14:20.970
heavy stuff considering how they looked. They

01:14:20.970 --> 01:14:24.529
did. That was fun. All right. You want to shut

01:14:24.529 --> 01:14:27.289
this bitch off? Let's do it. All righty. Hey,

01:14:27.369 --> 01:14:28.869
thanks for listening, everybody. Go fuck yourself.

01:14:29.109 --> 01:14:29.369
Bye.