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The Music Creeps, the only show anywhere with Gusto.

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You might ask yourself what Gusto is.

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Gusto was the magical secret ingredient in Schlitz beer

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that made it so damn good.

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And that's what makes this podcast so damn good.

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Burp.

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Hi there.

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This is your ears.

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Why are you listening to this garbage?

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I thought we were friends.

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Your mama's so fat.

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She makes Godzilla look like an action beggar.

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Let me unmute this.

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D-d-d-d-d-d.

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That's weird. It says it's recording, but it looks like it's muted.

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It's because I got this soloed. That's a problem.

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Let me mute that one.

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There we go.

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Let me, uh...

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Yeah, what the hell? We'll just keep going.

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OK. I think it's working.

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What are we doing?

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We...

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I'll just keep going.

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We are the music creeps.

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We are the music creeps.

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Yes, we...

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There we go.

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No, the good old happy trails did not turn out too good

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because my voice has been real raspy the last couple of days.

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And as soon as I tried to hit that note, I went...

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I could never recover from that original...

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It was over.

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It's like, let's just stick to the beatboxing.

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Yeah, that's good enough.

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All right.

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What do you want to go into first?

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We've got a bunch of different things we want to do.

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The music creeps.

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I have got...

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Bands that changed their sound and then got better.

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I love this. This is a great, great idea.

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And we've got bands that had spectacular breakups.

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Good.

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Super groups that almost happened

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and super groups that should never happen.

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All right, I got bands that changed their sound and got more popular.

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I have a Gram Bond update.

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With his album, Gram Bond of Rainbow.

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Great voice. He had a share of issues.

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But he's been doing solo a long time now.

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And this is going to be only out of all the time he's been around

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since the late 70s, early 80s, all that.

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This is his fourth solo album.

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Wow.

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You'd think he'd have like 30 by now or 30 different projects.

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No, he just doesn't do music that often.

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But he's got a lot of great bands.

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He doesn't do music that often.

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But he's got some interesting guest stars on the next one.

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And mix and match your bands of your own super groups.

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And this is both.

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It's shock and awe.

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And it's also...

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That would be really interesting.

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It's a little bit of both and I'll let you figure out what you want to do.

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And then we have an interview with Ace Freely.

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And he rates all the other his guitarists.

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Oh, that would be good.

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Yes, it is.

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He's surprisingly so honest, it's good.

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Oh, that's good.

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So, all right, you want to go ahead?

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All right.

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We probably have a few of the same bands that change their sound.

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I'm sure, because there's some really, really ones that are just glaringly obvious.

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The first one I have is Fleetwood Mac.

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Yeah, that's a good one.

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They're all mine.

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Before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined the band,

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they had quite a different sound.

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Not really right hits.

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I mean, about the biggest hit they had was Got Me Hypnotized.

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Yeah, and that really wasn't that big of a hit.

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It was fair.

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And then Fleetwood Mac wrote Black Magic Woman.

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And then Carlos Santana had a hit with Weavis.

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They made it famous.

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But it's odd.

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It's a Fleetwood Mac song.

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I know the Green Man Alicia.

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I know this is later.

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But you know that Judas Priest covered that.

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And it's really good.

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Anyway, Black Magic Woman came out in 68, modest hit in the UK.

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But it wasn't until 1975 when they brought in Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham and

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totally changed their sound.

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Then all of a sudden it became enormous.

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And then they had two female singers.

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Just out of nowhere.

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Well, before they had Christine McVie, but she didn't do a lot of singing.

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That's right.

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No, she was on there.

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And then Lindsey.

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And then Bob Welch did a lot of the singing and who else?

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Someone else sang in the band.

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No, Christine McVie didn't really start singing until really Stevie Nicks got on board.

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But anyhow, there's so many changes.

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But yeah, that's a classic one right there.

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Anyway, so that was number one.

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My second one, Genesis.

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Because when Peter Gabriel was their front man, their music was quite a bit different.

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Yeah, they were a bit different.

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We got a lot of the same.

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1967 to 75, Peter Gabriel was the front man.

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They had the Lamb Lays down on Broadway.

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They had a lot of concept albums.

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Peter Gabriel was wearing these weird large latex masks on stage to play all these characters.

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And then he left to go solo and Phil Collins stepped in to be the singer.

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He was already the drummer.

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Peter Gabriel was a drummer as well, but he wasn't their drummer.

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No, he wasn't their drummer.

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I'll put it like this.

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Phil Collins made him poppy-sounded and he did really good.

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And then Phil Collins did an even better solo.

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Yes, he did.

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With his weird male pattern baldening and round head.

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He was non-threatening.

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Peter Gabriel was kind of threatening.

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He's a guy that you come up and grab him and just kind of pat him on the forehead and go,

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you're okay, and he'd be like, hee-hee, I am.

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Yeah, Gabriel was more of a Frog Rock influence, but that faded with Collins.

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I respect Gabriel a lot because some of the stuff he did was really interesting.

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But I don't think that he was received quite as well by the masses.

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No, he didn't really care.

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No, he didn't.

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He wanted to go out there and express himself and work through all of his mental health

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issues.

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He's done a lot of things that he's continued to do throughout his career and he's found

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an audience for that.

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Oh yeah, like Sledgehammer and Game South Frontiers.

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Those are two big hits.

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But nobody can tell you who did it.

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And another one that's not a hit is My Body is a Cage.

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It's been used on some TV shows.

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I mean, that's like a blueprint to some of his insecurities.

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You can hear it all through that.

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Oh, let's see.

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My next band, Journey.

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They changed their sound dramatically when Steve Perry joined.

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Yeah, it was Fleishman.

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But to start, they really weren't.

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They didn't really have a singer.

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They were a jam band.

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They just did a lot of instrumental.

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I think it's pretty much Wielding the Sky was all they had with Fleishman.

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And people don't even realize that Steve Perry was not the original singer.

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You know, how many people...

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No, no, the original singer.

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Oh, Fleishman, who's that?

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Isn't that Yeast?

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No, no, it's...

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There's that song Anytime, Anytime that you want to play.

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Oh, that's right.

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Both of them sang on that one.

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They traded off.

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That was good.

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But yeah, Journey's first single was called To Play Some Music, which you won't even recognize

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as Journey if you find it.

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It didn't even chart.

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So they're like, uh...

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They were putting out Jazz Fusion albums and their label said, you know, we like you

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guys, but we're not going to put out any more of these.

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You've got to get commercially successful.

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So they went out and found a couple of good lead singers and off they went.

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And then that was it.

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And their original keyboard player, Greg Raleigh, left the band because of that.

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He said, I didn't want to be in another commercial band.

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I wanted to be in the jam band and not worry about it.

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So he left and Jonathan Cain took his place.

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Next one I have is the Bee Gees.

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Remember them?

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I didn't even think about them.

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That's a great example right there.

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I remember them growing up because the Bee Gees actually formed, get this, in 1958.

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That's how long ago the Bee Gees formed as a band.

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The other two are still alive too, aren't they?

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Andy Gibb was the only one that passed away.

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He passed away pretty young.

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See Maurice, I think, is still alive.

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There's Barry and Robin.

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Maybe there's only one of them still alive, not two.

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But Barry, Robin and Maurice were the three Bee Gees you saw in the group.

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Andy was their younger brother.

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And he was solo.

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But he did play with them.

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He died young also.

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But I remember the Bee Gees from the 60s and it was just straight up pop music.

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How Do You Mend a Broken Heart was a big hit.

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I remember hearing that on the radio a bunch.

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They had an album called New York Mining Disaster 1941, which was a big hit.

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I guess they went disco, you could say.

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They actually broke up in 1970, but reformed later in that year.

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And their folk pop sound really wasn't doing it.

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So they turned to disco and just blew up.

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Oh, jeez.

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Their lead singer Barry had one of the most iconic falsettos ever.

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And it just totally fit with disco when they recorded Stayin' Alive.

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And his brother was backing him up.

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Really had a really good falsetto also.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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I've also got Iron Maiden, but you probably have that one too.

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Yes I do.

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I'll let you do Iron Maiden.

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T-Rex.

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Remember T-Rex?

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Yes I do.

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They were the Tyranosaurus Rex and they released four folk albums.

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I didn't know that.

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Folk music in the late 60s.

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That's not on mine.

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I had no idea.

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They had moderate success.

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Mark Bolan was in the band and he was writing poetic lyrics and playing acoustic guitar

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and they were kind of associated with the hip movement.

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Wow.

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Mark Bolan did?

272
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Uh huh.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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But by 1970 they were like, yeah, this isn't working.

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And Tommy Bolan was his brother.

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Did you know that?

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That played in Purple?

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That figured.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Post-hosted.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, but Bolan started incorporating the electric guitar and then dialed back on the

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poetic lyrics and then they shortened their name to T-Rex and then in 71 they put out

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the album Electric Warrior and it was pretty much the beginning of glam rock.

287
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Yeah.

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One of the pioneers of glam rock.

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Yeah.

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And Bang A Gong was their breakout hit and they just got hooch.

291
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Yeah.

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If you go to a lot of glam bands, glam bands actually, they actually, them and Mop the

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Hoople.

294
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Yeah.

295
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So.

296
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Next I have Pantera, but you probably have them too.

297
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Yes I do.

298
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Okay.

299
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So I'm going to skip ahead to the Black Keys.

300
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Okay.

301
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You've heard of the Black Keys.

302
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Yes.

303
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The band was originally a blues duo.

304
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They put out blues.

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They put out eight albums.

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The Black Keys?

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The Black Keys.

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Eight albums of just blues.

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The other one I had no idea.

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Each one bluesier than the previous.

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Wow.

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And then they all of a sudden they switched to more blues pop sound and they suddenly

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got real big.

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So if you go back to some of their previous eight albums, you can hear a little bit of

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that poppy influence here and there, but then the, let's see, their recent album Turn Blue,

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they really went all in on the poppy stuff.

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Wow.

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And that's what really struck the chord with everybody, so that's the direction they went.

319
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But they have some just straight up blues albums, a bunch of them.

320
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Okay.

321
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Yeah.

322
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And do you have Ministry?

323
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No, I should have had them on there.

324
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So I put Ministry in here.

325
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The singer Al Jorgensen claims in his autobiography that record label pressure is what led to

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the band's early synth pop sound.

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Imagine Ministry doing synth pop.

328
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I could never imagine that.

329
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No.

330
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Their single Revenge from their first album, 1993's With Sympathy, is so different.

331
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And then you compare it to Jesus Built My House.

332
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Oh yeah.

333
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And I'm not even sure if I've ever even heard the Revenge one.

334
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Yeah.

335
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You go back and listen to stuff off of Ministry's first album and you're like, oh my god.

336
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Okay.

337
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It's like, what was the label thinking?

338
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The synth pop only hit number 97, but 96's industrial Filth Pig hit number 7.

339
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Filth Pig, yeah.

340
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What a name.

341
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That was so much fun.

342
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That's what I got.

343
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Al Jorgensen flipping off the world.

344
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Do you ever hear him on an interview?

345
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No, baby.

346
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It's a lot of fun.

347
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Oh jeez.

348
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You've got to really keep up.

349
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Yeah.

350
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So that was all I got.

351
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Oh okay.

352
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All right.

353
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Well, at first I've got Pan, Tara, and that is obvious.

354
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Anyone that knows music that knows hard rock music is they were a glam band in the 80's.

355
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I know the band's Phil Insamo and was it Rex Brown?

356
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Definitely had a different singer, but I can't.

357
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I think they might have still had the Abbott Brothers.

358
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Yeah, I think the bass player might have been different.

359
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I think Rex Brown came later and then Phil Insamo was the last piece of it and then they

360
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became what would you call a power rock, power heavy rock band.

361
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I don't call them heavy metal.

362
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I don't consider them heavy metal.

363
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Not really, no.

364
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They're kind of like a power rock and they just exploded on the scene and went maybe

365
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early 90's, something like that.

366
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Yeah, early 90's.

367
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In 84 they released an album called Metal Magic.

368
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Yeah, and it was horrible.

369
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But they pivoted to heavy metal in the early 90's.

370
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What was...

371
00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040
Yeah, Dimebag Darrell was Diamond Darrell.

372
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Diamond Darrell, that's right.

373
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In the glam area, he's like, fuck it, I'm Dimebag.

374
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Yeah, he became Dimebag.

375
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:10,400
Yeah, and after hearing that glam album I know why they decided to change their sound

376
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and get a different singer.

377
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,840
Yeah, smart move, very smart move.

378
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Next one I have and I'm surprised you didn't have it is Pink Floyd.

379
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Oh yeah.

380
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That would have been a good one.

381
00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:29,560
Yeah, Pink Floyd and I mean from Sid Barrett to...

382
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I mean actually, just progressing through the different members and Roger Waters and

383
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David Gilmore, Pink Floyd became a completely different band.

384
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The early stuff was kind of light, fluffy, pop, psychedelic.

385
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

386
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Not really into it, but then when Gilmore got more into it, the rest of the band was

387
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like, oh yeah, here we go.

388
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Gilmore's such a good blues guy.

389
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Yeah.

390
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And actually, they're named after a blues singer.

391
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Yeah.

392
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But a lot of people don't realize that.

393
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,720
Which is odd because their first albums weren't really all that blues.

394
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:06,720
They weren't blues.

395
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They became blues later with Gilmore when Gilmore got there and his note bending and

396
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,240
all that.

397
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,240
Yeah, his tone is so gorgeous.

398
00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,240
Oh, I know.

399
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,680
And I still say, even with the credit he gets, he does not get enough credit.

400
00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,680
Yeah.

401
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,120
And I think he's just one of the best guitarists ever, just people don't realize it.

402
00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,880
The feeling and the tone that he could come up with that nobody else could.

403
00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,880
Yeah.

404
00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,880
I mean.

405
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He's in creativity.

406
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I mean, I could go on hours about how good that guy is.

407
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And he's one of these people that you don't need lyrics.

408
00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,440
You know what the song's about by how he's playing.

409
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,880
So anyhow, all right.

410
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,200
Next one is Iron Maiden.

411
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:52,200
Paul Diano was a straightforward, hard, heavy singer.

412
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He's kind of like a power singer.

413
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Then Bruce Dickinson came aboard and everybody thought he was going to be the head of the

414
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band because people that were familiar with Dickinson was he was more of a theatrical

415
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opera guy.

416
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And they're like, this is never going to work.

417
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:06,800
But boy, he did it.

418
00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:07,800
Oh, jeez.

419
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,800
Yeah.

420
00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,720
They became one of the biggest bands ever in the world for all, I mean, of all time.

421
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:20,720
Bruce Dickinson brought a different aspect to the music that no one else could figure

422
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,720
out.

423
00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,720
They didn't know why.

424
00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,680
And then when Blaise Bailey came in, Bruce Dickinson quit to go fly airplanes for British

425
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,980
Airways.

426
00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:31,140
This is after he's a top 10 fencer.

427
00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:36,060
And after he brewed his own beer, autobiography, and probably pretty much a comedian, I did

428
00:17:36,060 --> 00:17:38,720
see his stand ups.

429
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,720
Renaissance man is what they call those guys.

430
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:41,720
Yeah.

431
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,720
The guy that could do everything.

432
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,160
He would go fly for British Airways and they brought in Blaise Bailey and he sucked.

433
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,600
He was horrible.

434
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:55,520
But a big part of their sound, Bruce Dickinson helped with the writing and he does that on

435
00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,240
his solo band too.

436
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,240
Yeah.

437
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,720
The solo band is really interesting because he takes blues guys, jazz guys, metal guys,

438
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,840
he throws them all together.

439
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,320
And I actually enjoy his solo stuff as much as Iron Maid because he is just so good at

440
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this.

441
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,200
And it's awesome when you get someone who's got so much in the tank that he can do his

442
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,400
band stuff and his solo stuff and they're both really good and they don't sound exactly

443
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,400
the same.

444
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,400
No, no.

445
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,400
Because he's just that creative.

446
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,400
Yeah, he's that creative.

447
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,320
And this is what he went for too.

448
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,560
When he went solo, he wanted to do different music and that's what he did.

449
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,000
A lot of people go solo, they end up sounding like a cheap version of where they left.

450
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000
Yeah.

451
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000
So anyhow, Iron Maiden classic.

452
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000
Next one, Genesis.

453
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000
You already covered that.

454
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,440
I mean, I don't know what else to say.

455
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,160
I mean, Peter Gabriel was completely different than Phil Collins.

456
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,040
Phil Collins was more poppy.

457
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,560
I mean, just listening to the first couple albums and listened to it when Collins came

458
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along.

459
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:55,560
Yeah.

460
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,560
Vastly different.

461
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,560
Yeah, vastly different.

462
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,560
Deep Purple.

463
00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,560
Yeah.

464
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,560
A lot of people don't realize it, but yeah.

465
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:08,560
When they had Evans, Mike Evans or something like that.

466
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,560
Sounds right.

467
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,560
Yeah, okay.

468
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:18,960
As a lead singer, think of like Hush and let's see, what else was on there?

469
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,000
They were more of a psychedelic band.

470
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000
Yeah.

471
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,240
They were kind of an odd psychedelic band with really odd kind of...

472
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:33,680
They had a hit with Hush and let's see, what was...

473
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,160
It was more melodic too.

474
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,680
They didn't have the organ following the guitar.

475
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,680
Yeah.

476
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,880
Then when Ian Gillan came aboard, they really developed their sound because he could keep

477
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,360
up with them with the voice.

478
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:55,640
This is where you had John Lord and Richie Blackmore basically playing the same.

479
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,640
Yeah.

480
00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,560
It gave an element to the sound that you couldn't get anywhere else.

481
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,600
If you heard them two playing in tandem, any song, you go, oh my God, that's Deep Purple.

482
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,600
Yeah.

483
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,920
It was the same tone they created between the two of them.

484
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,640
So Deep Purple is a great example, only a lot of people don't realize that Hush was

485
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,160
not that big of a hit.

486
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,960
A lot of people think it's another band.

487
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,040
They don't know it's Deep Purple.

488
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,040
That's true.

489
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,080
It kind of sounds a little like Uriah Heap.

490
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,080
A lot of people think it's Uriah Heap.

491
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,080
A little like Sugar Loaf.

492
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,080
Yeah.

493
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,080
Yeah.

494
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,400
But they needed Ian Gillan to actually differentiate themselves.

495
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,720
The next one is Judas Priest.

496
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,720
Yeah.

497
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,800
Judas Priest came out and they were not that heavy, crunchy band that they were at first.

498
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:54,760
They had a different guitarist who went to prison, I believe.

499
00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:00,880
So anyhow, I forgot his name, but when they got KK and Tipton, they developed that sound

500
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,520
and then Rob Halford just cemented it with his fucking banshee voice.

501
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,480
Yeah, a lot of times it's getting that right combination of guitar players.

502
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,480
Yeah.

503
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,400
It really kind of gives the band its solid sound.

504
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,480
Well, Tipton and KK, you couldn't really tell who was doing the solo.

505
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,480
Yeah.

506
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,560
I mean, it's just like they panned so much and they were so good in concert together.

507
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,240
I mean, they're just like, yeah, dynamic.

508
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,040
It's like Lynyrd Skynyrd.

509
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:31,620
When Ed King joined the band, see, they had different guitars.

510
00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:35,320
One guitar player played mostly a Les Paul.

511
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,700
Ed King played mostly a Strat and another guy played mostly a Firebird.

512
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:43,240
So that's how you could kind of tell them apart on the album is because they each played

513
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,840
their own different instrument.

514
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,120
But eventually, I mean, everyone thought Ed King really cemented the sound.

515
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,240
But after a few albums, he was like, man, I'm tired of this.

516
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,680
And he left and that was kind of considered a almost breakup of Lynyrd Skynyrd.

517
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,600
Yeah, and they had a lot of other unfortunate events going on.

518
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,960
And now I don't even know who was in the band when they retired.

519
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,520
I mean, a couple of cousins maybe.

520
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,200
I know, let's see, Johnny Van Zandt is the one that died and then Ronnie Van Zandt is

521
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,360
his cousin that took his spot.

522
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,320
People that don't know they're going to Iowa, four of them were in a plane and they all

523
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,320
died.

524
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,320
They perished.

525
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,320
They were in a plane wreck.

526
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,480
And then again, it was sheeping out on a crap airplane on a crap airplane.

527
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,320
All right.

528
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,480
Next one would be where was I?

529
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,480
ACDC.

530
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,480
Yes.

531
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:40,240
ACDC was so bluesy and kind of what do you call it?

532
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,480
Their first album kind of a bluesy bar band.

533
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960
Yeah, kind of a bluesy bar band.

534
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,160
Their first singer, I forgot his name.

535
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,920
Then Bon Scott kind of cemented it.

536
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:54,520
He's kind of like, I don't know, just kind of almost like a weird crooner.

537
00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,520
Yeah, he kind of had that nasally whiny voice that I always associated with a brat.

538
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,520
Yes.

539
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,680
Like, you know, badly behaved, the kid who runs around your neighborhood causing all

540
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,680
sorts of trouble.

541
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,680
Yes.

542
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,760
That's kind of what his voice reminded me of, which is perfect for the music.

543
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,760
Yeah.

544
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,760
Yeah.

545
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,560
And then when you listen to Brian Johnson, let's say for those about the rock or flick

546
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,640
of the switch, I mean, back in black too, they're a completely different band.

547
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,880
They were Power Rock that was made for radio.

548
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,880
Yeah.

549
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,720
It was really odd that when Brian Johnson joined the band, they were pretty much just

550
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,240
got the push over the top from Bon Scott's last album with him, Highway to Hell.

551
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,240
Yeah, Highway to Hell, yeah.

552
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,760
And he wrote, he helped write a lot of the songs.

553
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,760
Yeah.

554
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Go ahead.

555
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:49,000
Yeah, but when they came back with Brian Johnson, they already had the sound of one of the biggest

556
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,480
rock acts on the planet.

557
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,480
Yeah.

558
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,440
Whereas with Bon Scott, they didn't quite have that sound.

559
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,440
They could have found it.

560
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,440
I'm sure they would have found it.

561
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,240
And also their producer, they got Mutlange.

562
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,240
Yeah.

563
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,880
Yeah, they got Mutlange too.

564
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,720
But Bon Scott actually, he helped them more than people thought.

565
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,720
Yeah.

566
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:10,080
I mean, not only signifying them as a really hard, dirty band, but also his writing style

567
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,080
too.

568
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,080
Yeah.

569
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,560
I don't think Brian Johnson does any writing, but they wanted Mark Starachi from Crocus

570
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,560
and he turned it down.

571
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,560
Oh yeah.

572
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,560
Yeah.

573
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,640
And I don't know if he thought his band was going to be bigger or if he just didn't want

574
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,640
to do that, but anyhow-

575
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,640
Boy, this calculation there, wasn't it?

576
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,640
Yes.

577
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,640
Yeah.

578
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,640
So, all right.

579
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,640
So let's see.

580
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040
The next one would be Fleetwood Mac.

581
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
Yeah.

582
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040
We already talked about that.

583
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,000
I mean, yeah, there's various inclinations of them.

584
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,880
Listen to the first album and listen to like, I don't know, the seventh, you'll see.

585
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Go ahead.

586
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,880
What now?

587
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,880
No, it's that.

588
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,880
Oh, okay.

589
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,880
It was just popping.

590
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200
This next one, a lot of people wouldn't have caught it.

591
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,680
Ronnie James Dio.

592
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,160
Oh, wow.

593
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,920
His first band, Dio and the Crocus, was a duet band.

594
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,920
Wow.

595
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:00,920
Listen to it sometime.

596
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,920
It's all over the internet.

597
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,920
That's amazing.

598
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,920
Yeah.

599
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,920
Ronnie James Dio singing duet.

600
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,720
He did it really well.

601
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,720
I got to hear this.

602
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,720
It's good.

603
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,720
It's really good.

604
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720
It's quality music, but...

605
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240
How often do you want to sit down and listen to a duet album?

606
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,240
You don't.

607
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,240
You don't.

608
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320
It's just odd that that was his first type of music that he played because you would

609
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,360
have thought that guy was just like a power all the time.

610
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:25,360
Yeah.

611
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,480
No, he harmonized very well with the rest of them.

612
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,800
The next one, Death Leopard.

613
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,760
Oh, yeah.

614
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,200
They definitely changed their sound.

615
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,280
They have to for various reasons.

616
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,440
I mean, different guitarists, record label.

617
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,460
They also did focus panels.

618
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:47,840
They had all kinds of stuff for why they had to change the sound.

619
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,520
They were kind of like a band that was constantly trying to figure out what people liked and

620
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,360
was trying to get it to them.

621
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,520
They didn't have a vision of what they wanted to be.

622
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,240
They were still kind of figuring it out.

623
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,760
At first, with Rick Allen losing his arm, they changed their sound considerably.

624
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,160
But On Through the Night was so different than Pyromania, too.

625
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,160
Yeah, absolutely.

626
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,160
Pyromania was...

627
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,000
And then again, that is a producer, too.

628
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,200
That was Mutlange also, I believe.

629
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,240
Yeah, I think from my perspective, Rick Allen, the drummer, when he had both his arms, he

630
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,200
sounded to me somewhat like Ainsley Dunbar, another good British drummer who was in a

631
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,200
lot of influential bands.

632
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,400
That would probably be a pretty good listen to Pyromania.

633
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,400
Yeah.

634
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,400
Yeah.

635
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,400
Because Ainsley Dunbar was in Journey.

636
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400
He was in Whitesnake.

637
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,400
He was in Jefferson Airplane, Starship.

638
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,400
Yeah.

639
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,400
People don't know he's in Whitesnake, but he was in there at first with John Sykes, who

640
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,400
was such a good guitarist.

641
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,400
Yeah.

642
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,880
On that video, you see Tommy Aldridge back there playing the drums, but he's faking a

643
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,880
long-danged lead start.

644
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,880
Yes.

645
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,320
Which is what David Grohl did on some of those Nirvana songs, because it was a different

646
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,120
drummer who recorded the track, but Dave had to go up there and fake it during the music

647
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,120
video.

648
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,280
Well, Tommy Aldridge always faked it in Blizzard of Oz, too.

649
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,440
The original drummer, he just passed away.

650
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,040
I forgot his name.

651
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Anyhow, he was doing his music, faking it, too, with Blizzard of Oz.

652
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,760
And the thing is, Aldridge is a great drummer.

653
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Yeah, he really is.

654
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,120
But he did very well on faking other people's music.

655
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,120
Yeah.

656
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:21,120
All right.

657
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,120
Next one would be Guns N' Roses.

658
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,120
Yes.

659
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:30,360
And I'm not even talking about the difference between Use Your Illusion and, well, F**k,

660
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,720
Appetite for Destruction.

661
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,680
I'm talking about before that, they had Suicide, Life Like a Suicide, and then Hollywood Rose,

662
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,280
the one before that.

663
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Their sound was completely different, more commercial, more lighter.

664
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400
Yeah, it really was.

665
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,400
They really needed Slash's riffs to really cement him.

666
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,920
And once they got Slash and they didn't have Tracy Guns anymore, Tracy Guns is a great

667
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,320
guitarist, but not for that type of a bluesy sound that they went into.

668
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,320
True, true.

669
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,920
And their sound changed a little bit when they fired the drummer Stephen Adler and brought

670
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,920
in Matt Sorem.

671
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,920
I like the vocal.

672
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,400
Their songwriting kind of changed a little bit, too.

673
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,400
But yeah, I like Stephen Adler pretty well.

674
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,400
I did, too.

675
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
Stephen Adler was very good at what he did.

676
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,360
And Matt Sorem was more of a power kind of timing guy.

677
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,800
Yeah, he was very smooth and clean and professional.

678
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,560
He's like a well-oiled machine when you really want some guy who's back there sweating and

679
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,680
working with everybody.

680
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320
But Matt Sorem, he kind of seems a little sterile.

681
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,400
Yeah, but they loved him.

682
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,440
The Colt toured with Guns N' Roses.

683
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,040
And if you really want to see an influence on someone, look at Ian Asbury and then look

684
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,040
at Axl Rose.

685
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,040
Yes.

686
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,600
Not the way they sing.

687
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,320
Their stage presence, their actions, what they wear.

688
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,320
Yeah.

689
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,320
Yeah.

690
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,880
I'm not going to say copy, but I'm going to say heavily influenced.

691
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,440
And then they steal Matt Sorem and the Colt hates him.

692
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Yes.

693
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,960
You know when Axl does that little side to side sway thing, he copied that directly,

694
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,080
I mean directly from Davy Jones of the Monkeys.

695
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Yes.

696
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Yes.

697
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Absolutely.

698
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,080
And he'll tell you.

699
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,080
He's like, yeah, of course I did.

700
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880
I thought it was the coolest thing I ever saw when I was a kid.

701
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,280
And he learned how to do it.

702
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Well, and he also, he had missed Ian Asbury, too.

703
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Yeah.

704
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,960
He said, yeah.

705
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,960
He goes, that guy was one of my idols.

706
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:27,640
He goes, yeah, I probably look, not look specifically, but his look and his style is probably a lot

707
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,160
like his, which it is.

708
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
But his singing is completely different.

709
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,280
Oh yeah.

710
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,280
So.

711
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,280
All right.

712
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,280
Next one is the Metallica.

713
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Metallica.

714
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Metallica.

715
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Metallica.

716
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Metallica had to change their sound because of the death of their bassist.

717
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Cliff Burton, to me, was such a good songwriter with the band that after he passed away, you

718
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,760
could see the albums dwindling down to where they were just kind of really average music.

719
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,800
To me, when before they were above average, they were different.

720
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000
You know, there's like all these other bands.

721
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,120
And then over here was Metallica.

722
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
It's like, wow, what are they doing?

723
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:13,520
They got a really, really fast rhythm, but they're actually incorporating different types

724
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,480
of classic guitar, but it's electric.

725
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,900
They had big buildups.

726
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,040
They had middles.

727
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:29,360
They had incredible, incredible, I guess it would be bars.

728
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
The interplay between the guitar players.

729
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,320
They wrote things that sounded really good with the four of them playing together.

730
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,480
Some things you can hear is like, oh, this sounds like this song was written on piano

731
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,600
and they just kind of made up parts for the other instruments.

732
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,040
But Metallica was writing stuff.

733
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,320
You could tell it was written for exactly how they were going to play it on stage.

734
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Oh yeah.

735
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,480
So that's where Puppets is the song.

736
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,680
The rhythm break is the solo, which is a buildup to the second part of the song.

737
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,840
It's actually quite brilliant.

738
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880
So then you'll listen to And Justice.

739
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,920
They have the hit one.

740
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,440
And then they have a couple of other songs that were good, but they were not quite as

741
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,120
intricate and in the pieces.

742
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:18,640
It was kind of like if Russ started trying to play Motley Crue.

743
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,720
So you progress to Lowe and then on down to St. Anger.

744
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:29,320
And you see how that munitionship with Jason Newstead.

745
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,800
Yeah, Jason Newstead was great, but he was not Cliff Burton.

746
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,200
And as James Hetfield said, no matter who they had hired to replace Cliff Burton, the

747
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,280
band was going to hate him because they were so angry that Cliff Burton died.

748
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Jason Newstead fucking hates him.

749
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,040
He can't stand him.

750
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,040
They were so mean to him for no reason.

751
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,080
And they said, James Hetfield said, the fact that Jason Newstead was a fan, we hated that.

752
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,320
So we tried to do everything to drive the fan boy out of him.

753
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,400
And he said, unfortunately, Newstead was the kind of guy who would take it for far too

754
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,400
long.

755
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,080
If he had stood up to us and pushed back, it probably would have gone better.

756
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Well, he came from Flotsam and Jetsam to Metallica.

757
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880
He's going to keep his mouth shut.

758
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,160
But it turns out that he fucking hated him anyhow.

759
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,840
He ended up hating him.

760
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,160
He won't talk to him.

761
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,600
Yeah, they were a really horrible time in his life, which was simultaneously a really

762
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,840
great time in his life.

763
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,040
And that's really conflicting.

764
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Well, they're talking about redoing Amjustus because they took out all the bass on him.

765
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Because they were mad that Cliff was dead.

766
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,640
They wanted to kill the bus driver.

767
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,160
The bus driver had to leave.

768
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,800
He had to leave and get way away from him because he thought they were going to kill

769
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800
him.

770
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,440
And I heard Metallica described as, once they got rid of Dave Mustaine and brought in Kirk

771
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Hammett, they were on their way.

772
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,360
And they were ramped up.

773
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,520
And then Cliff Burton died.

774
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,320
And they took all that energy that they had and then all the rage over Cliff Burton dying

775
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,080
and wrote a bunch of good albums with that.

776
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,800
And then that wore off.

777
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,160
And they've been putting out crap ever since.

778
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,480
I kind of agree with that.

779
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,360
They channeled their rage about Cliff Burton into a bunch of good albums and then they

780
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,800
were just kind of done.

781
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,680
And also Cliff's style of writing too was really good too.

782
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,680
He had a big influence.

783
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Very heavy style.

784
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,800
Very dark and intricate.

785
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440
I know people go, he's a bassist.

786
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,920
No, he is a guitarist.

787
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,880
He's a guitarist, but he preferred to play bass.

788
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,400
And you can influence the song very much on how you play the bass.

789
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,400
That's why he did that.

790
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:46,120
I mean listen to Master of Puppets, Kill em All, and Justice, Ride the Lightning is actually

791
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,120
one of the best examples.

792
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Ride the Lightning, his bass work on that is insane.

793
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Like Call to Cthulhu, it took me 10 years to realize that it had no lyrics.

794
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,840
That's a song.

795
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Who was I going to talk about?

796
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,560
I'm not sure.

797
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240
I'll go ahead and open it again.

798
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,520
Then finally, the many many faces of Megadeth.

799
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,520
Oh yeah.

800
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Geez, it just depended on who was in the band.

801
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,240
Yeah, they changed all over the place.

802
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:21,240
Oh yeah, I mean it still had overall Megadeth all over it.

803
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:22,680
They had their stamp.

804
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:29,280
But the music was completely different between guitarists and bassists.

805
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,760
And I think in a way Mustaine changes his writing style based on how he feels about

806
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,760
the world at the moment.

807
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,760
No, that's true.

808
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,160
So there's some variety there.

809
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,600
He has some very angry albums.

810
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:48,160
He has some dark albums, really dark, where he took on Devil Worship in, heavy drugs.

811
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,920
He got into the inculc really bad like I said.

812
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,240
There's stuff like he says he wishes he could take back but he never can.

813
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,040
He has really dark moments in his life and you can see it through some of the albums

814
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,040
that he did.

815
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,800
And then there's a cynical side of him that you can see.

816
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,560
Like P. Sells who's buying, you know, he's talking about endless wars, war for profit.

817
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,520
Symphony of Destruction.

818
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,200
That's a really good one.

819
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,280
Vic Rattlebone is one.

820
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,840
Vic's Too Eddie is the best mascot ever.

821
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,840
He's an awesome mascot.

822
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,840
Oh yeah, I've always loved Vic Rattlebone.

823
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Him and Eddie were the two best.

824
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Also cool name, Vic Rattlebone.

825
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,200
You can't get better than that.

826
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,840
There's another band, totally different style, called the Rippingtons.

827
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,400
And they put a cat on their album, it's called Jazz Cat.

828
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Jazz Cat, yeah.

829
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,280
It's always a stylized drawing of a cat that doesn't quite look like a normal real cat.

830
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,280
He's kind of a character.

831
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,240
But Jazz Cat's always on the album's cover somewhere.

832
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,320
And it's cool because you see it, people that know, know.

833
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,320
That's it.

834
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,320
If you know, you know.

835
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,320
Yeah.

836
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,320
Okay, alright, let's go on to something else.

837
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,320
Alright.

838
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200
I've got super groups that almost happened.

839
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,360
Super groups that should never have happened.

840
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Bands that broke up at the height of their career and bands that broke up on stage.

841
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600
That's fun too.

842
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,080
You know what, I used to know some of them.

843
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,080
It's going to be interesting to hear that again.

844
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Alright, so which would you like me to start with?

845
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Bands that broke up on stage.

846
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,360
Alright, bands that broke up on stage.

847
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,360
Here we go.

848
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Jane's Addiction.

849
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,360
Oh yeah!

850
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,360
The Fist Fight.

851
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Yeah, anyhow.

852
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:35,640
It's interesting to watch, if you watch the footage again, the two roadies or whatever

853
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,640
position they held.

854
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,760
I spelled Tony with an E. I'm an idiot.

855
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,880
The two guys that came out on stage to grab Perry Pearl and take him off, they were punching

856
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,880
him too.

857
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,880
Yeah!

858
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,720
They were taking the opportunity to get some licks in because they couldn't stand him either.

859
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,560
You can find this on the internet.

860
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,960
You can find this on the internet.

861
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,480
Now, I'm sure the whole thing was because Perry Pearl was wasted and he kept getting

862
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,480
wasted.

863
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480
They hated him, yeah.

864
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:09,600
And Perry Pearl sort of half way apologized later saying, yeah, I understand that it's

865
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,280
hard to deal with me when I'm stoned.

866
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,240
I also read some stuff about like he was like, the rest of the band wanted sexual advances.

867
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,720
I don't know if that's true or not.

868
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,160
Yeah, I've heard of that too.

869
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,320
He gets stoned and get really horny and then start hitting on everybody.

870
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,120
Yeah, and they're like, no, uh-uh.

871
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:34,560
I know a guy who is not a rock and roller who when he gets drunk, he will find all of

872
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,200
the straight guys in the room and start hitting on them.

873
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Okay!

874
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Apparently, he was over at a friend's house and he was starting to hitting on his friend's

875
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,840
sons and he's like, all right, that's it.

876
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,840
You gotta go.

877
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Time out!

878
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Oh, God.

879
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,240
That's the definition of a creep.

880
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,240
Yes.

881
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,240
All right.

882
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:00,240
The Replacements.

883
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,240
You ever heard of the Replacements?

884
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240
Oh, yeah.

885
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,240
They broke up on stage.

886
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:11,080
They were doing a final show and they were doing the encore and when they came out to

887
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,720
do the encore, they all started switching instruments and everybody playing each other's

888
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,120
instrument which they couldn't play very well.

889
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:26,440
And then the bass player sneered at the crown, this is the last fucking time you're gonna

890
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,280
hear this fucking song so enjoy it.

891
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,200
And part way through the song, they all started leaving the stage and just handed their instruments

892
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,240
to the roadies and the stage crew and they finished the song.

893
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,240
Wow!

894
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,760
So that was how the Replacements ended their career.

895
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,960
Kaboom!

896
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,880
I love that.

897
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,760
Last fucking time you're gonna hear this song.

898
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,200
They didn't even play it all the way through.

899
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,200
You ever heard of the Jesus and Mary Chain?

900
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Oh, yeah.

901
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,200
All right.

902
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Two of the three members are brothers Jim and William Reed.

903
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:09,360
On their final show, Jim and William were about 15 minutes into the set and were having

904
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,840
an argument on stage while they were trying to play and eventually they quit playing and

905
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,720
just argued and then brother William is like, screw it, and he just walked off the stage

906
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,080
and never came back.

907
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,520
So their final concert was about 15 minutes of arguing.

908
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,160
That would be kind of cool to be at though.

909
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,160
That would be.

910
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,160
It's like how was the concert?

911
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Well, it was really good for 15 minutes.

912
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,480
Next we have the Everly Brothers.

913
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,480
You remember the Everly Brothers?

914
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Yes, I do know a little bit about them.

915
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,480
Wake Up Little Suzy.

916
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Yep.

917
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,440
Okay, Phil and Don Everly were the Everly Brothers.

918
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,920
Their daughter is the one that married Axl Rose.

919
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,920
That's right.

920
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,600
They had a horrible, horrible breakup which so many songs were written about on Use Your

921
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,440
Illusions, some really dark songs.

922
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Anyhow, go ahead.

923
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Was she the one that he wrote Sweet Child of Mine about?

924
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Yes, Erin Everly.

925
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Anyway, 1973.

926
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,680
He also wrote Coma about her too.

927
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Anyhow, go ahead.

928
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,640
In 1973, they went on stage to do a show.

929
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Don Everly was drunk off his ass.

930
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,480
He went on stage drunk.

931
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Phil was so pissed about it that part way through the set he just smashed his guitar

932
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
against the stage and walked off.

933
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,280
And they've never performed again.

934
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,280
That's it, huh?

935
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,760
It's like, you're a drunk ass on the stage, I ain't playing.

936
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,200
It does shit.

937
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,200
You can't write it.

938
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Yes.

939
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Let's see.

940
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:46,200
This one was practically on stage.

941
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,160
You remember the band Blind Faith?

942
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Yeah.

943
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood, Ginger Baker.

944
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Ginger Baker, yeah.

945
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,680
I can't remember who else.

946
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Anyway, so they did one album.

947
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,840
It was pretty successful.

948
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,840
They went out on the tour with Blind Faith as the headliner and Delaney and Bonnie as

949
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,320
one of the opening acts.

950
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,840
Right from the beginning, Clapton was just in cest with Delaney and Bonnie.

951
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,560
And he started walking out onto the stage every time during their opening set and just

952
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,980
picking up percussion and started playing along.

953
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:27,040
And eventually he went out and started singing with them, playing guitar with them.

954
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,000
He eventually started doing the whole sets with Delaney and Bonnie.

955
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,520
And then when it was time for his own band, Blind Faith, to come on, sometimes he'd blow

956
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,520
it off.

957
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,520
He was like, eh.

958
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,080
He let Steve Winwood play guitar.

959
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,900
And then he started lobbying for Delaney and Bonnie to be the headliner instead of his

960
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:52,420
own band, Blind Faith.

961
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:56,360
So by the time the tour was over, everybody was so sick of Eric Clapton.

962
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,440
They're like, screw you.

963
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Bye.

964
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440
We're all.

965
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,800
And then the label was like, hell yeah, we're putting out more albums.

966
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,840
And the musicians were like, yeah, not with this guy.

967
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,920
It's funny, he wore out his welcome on a lot of bands.

968
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,920
He did.

969
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,920
The Yardbirds.

970
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Oh, yeah.

971
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Derrick and the Dominoes.

972
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,920
Derrick and the Dominoes, yeah.

973
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,920
So anyway, that was almost on stage.

974
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,920
So that's the ones I got for breaking up on stage.

975
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,920
Evidently, he's kind of a miserable guy.

976
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Yeah, apparently.

977
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:19,920
He's an immigrant-hating racist guy.

978
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,920
He's a racist.

979
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,920
He's a racist.

980
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,920
He's a racist.

981
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,920
He's a racist.

982
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,920
He's a racist.

983
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,920
He's a racist.

984
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,920
He's a racist.

985
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,920
He's a racist.

986
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,920
He's a racist.

987
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,920
He's a racist.

988
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,920
He's a racist kind of guy.

989
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,600
He played guitar like hell, but if you're not a white guy, he doesn't want you in his

990
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,600
country apparently.

991
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,720
His guitar is so interesting though, if you really listen to it, because it's kind of

992
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,640
unexplainable how he does some things.

993
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,440
But he's an idiot.

994
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Do you know how he got his nickname Slowhand?

995
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:57,800
He was on stage playing, I forget what the song was, and he broke a guitar string.

996
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:04,920
And the stage tech brought him out another string, and he changed the guitar string himself

997
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,920
and tuned it up to pitch and never missed a note.

998
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,920
Wow.

999
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Yeah.

1000
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,960
That's how he got his nickname Slowhand.

1001
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,360
I mean, I knew the guy.

1002
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,360
He gets credit.

1003
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:25,960
He gets a lot of credit, but nowadays he doesn't because the sound has changed so much.

1004
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,600
People don't understand what he did with some of that stuff and the amazing stuff that he

1005
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,600
did.

1006
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Yeah, the technology was so much less back then too.

1007
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,400
You had to do with your hands and your feel.

1008
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,400
Yeah, the over...

1009
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,400
Let me see.

1010
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,600
You're more of a musician a lot more than I am, but the overdubbing of how he's going

1011
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,280
from he'll keep one note going and then go to another one and then go to a chord at the

1012
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,280
same progression.

1013
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,280
Yeah.

1014
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Yeah, some of that stuff.

1015
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,960
It's kind of unexplainable how he does it.

1016
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:02,600
He has some technique where, okay, he hits the E maybe, okay, and then he comes down

1017
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,720
and he hits a note behind it and then he brings his other hand up.

1018
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:06,720
Yeah.

1019
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:07,720
Yeah, it's crazy.

1020
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,720
That's why I thought they called him Slowhand because he was fast like that.

1021
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:12,720
Yeah.

1022
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:13,720
Okay, anyhow.

1023
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,720
Yeah, he's very good at knowing.

1024
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,000
You'll take your E chord like they're saying.

1025
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:24,040
There's an open E which you play at the end of the neck, but there are various inversions

1026
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,920
of that E chord you can play all over the neck.

1027
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,800
Yeah, yeah, and he would do that and then he would come down and I don't know how to

1028
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,800
describe it.

1029
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,800
Yeah.

1030
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,320
Would it be like maybe a minor chord that he would hit with a couple of fingers?

1031
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,760
Or you play some passing notes or suspended notes?

1032
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,400
It could be suspended notes too.

1033
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,840
I got to look at it a little bit better, but man, I was just like, I'm sitting there and

1034
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,840
I forgot who was playing.

1035
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,560
I was watching his finger work so much.

1036
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,400
He'll never get the amount of credit he will because the times have changed.

1037
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,400
Yeah.

1038
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,600
He was like the scales, the scales.

1039
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Yeah.

1040
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,400
He never did scales, but he was...

1041
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Anyhow, you know what?

1042
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,400
I could go on all day.

1043
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,400
Go ahead.

1044
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,400
Yeah.

1045
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,400
Anyway, that was the one.

1046
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,400
I've got the ones that broke up at the height of their career.

1047
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,400
Okay.

1048
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,400
First one I got is The Beatles.

1049
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,400
Yeah.

1050
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,400
That's pretty obvious one.

1051
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,400
Yeah.

1052
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,760
Next on the list is The Smiths.

1053
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,240
They were a very influential band, but basically they broke up right before their first album

1054
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,960
was released.

1055
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,320
So the album came out and they were like, wow, The Smiths.

1056
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,320
I was like, yeah, they already broke up.

1057
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,680
What was his name that came out with a career after that and did really well?

1058
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,080
I'm blanking on the guys.

1059
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,080
It was The Singer.

1060
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,080
Yeah.

1061
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Robert...

1062
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Was it Robert Smith?

1063
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Was it Robert Smith?

1064
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,080
From The Cure?

1065
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080
I think it was.

1066
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,080
Yeah.

1067
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,080
He went to The Cure.

1068
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Maybe that was him.

1069
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Yeah.

1070
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080
I think so.

1071
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Yeah.

1072
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,080
He went to The Cure and then he was Robert Smith.

1073
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Yeah.

1074
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Okay.

1075
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,080
And then he was The Sons.

1076
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Yeah.

1077
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Remember the song What's Up?

1078
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,080
Yeah.

1079
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,080
They did really well with that, but they're gone.

1080
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,080
Yeah.

1081
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,240
They had pretty much decided to break up while they were making that album because that wasn't

1082
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:01,240
their first.

1083
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,240
No, I never.

1084
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,840
They've been at it for a while and they're like, this just really isn't working.

1085
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,040
And then they made the album and the record label wanted a certain type of sound and production

1086
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,400
value on the album that the band just hates.

1087
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,280
To this day, they say, can't stand the way that album sounds.

1088
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,280
That's not our sound.

1089
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,280
Yeah.

1090
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,360
It was created for us by the engineer at the behest of the label.

1091
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,640
But they went out and did the tour for that album.

1092
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,200
And then they tried a little bit, maybe a few reunions here and there.

1093
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,880
But basically once their breakthrough album came out, they're like, yeah, we're done.

1094
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Your power supply's blinking red.

1095
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,240
Okay.

1096
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,920
Yeah.

1097
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,920
I've used up my battery, but the laptop still has the full battery.

1098
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,160
It eats out of the battery first.

1099
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,160
Oh, okay.

1100
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,920
And then it stores it on your computer.

1101
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,200
So we still have the internal battery.

1102
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Okay, good.

1103
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Thanks for noticing, man.

1104
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Yeah.

1105
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,400
Well, I know you're having problems with your saying something about it drained at all.

1106
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,640
So anyhow, okay, that's cool.

1107
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,640
All right.

1108
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,640
10,000 maniacs.

1109
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Yeah.

1110
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,080
They got real big in pop.

1111
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Yeah.

1112
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,720
Natalie Merchant decided to go solo right after the band got huge.

1113
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,680
And she did okay.

1114
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,680
She did really well.

1115
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,680
She had a different sound.

1116
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,160
She had that 90s sound really down, down really well.

1117
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,160
Yeah.

1118
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,120
And it really is kind of like something she probably was smart to do.

1119
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Yeah.

1120
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,560
So she had a better career solo than she would have with 10,000 maniacs.

1121
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,560
Yeah, because she had that 90s sound down so well.

1122
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,560
Yeah.

1123
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Yeah.

1124
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,560
Wham!

1125
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,560
George Michael.

1126
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,560
Yeah.

1127
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,240
He left at the height of Wham's career popularity.

1128
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,360
And he had a huge career too.

1129
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,360
Yeah, he did.

1130
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Especially in bathrooms.

1131
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,840
Poor guy.

1132
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,040
Sorry, I always got to get that dig in, don't I?

1133
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Yes.

1134
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,040
Let's see.

1135
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,320
What a fucked up guy though.

1136
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,320
I mean, really.

1137
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Yeah.

1138
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Such a great musician.

1139
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Did you ever hear him in Queen or What's Left of Queen?

1140
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Yes.

1141
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Yeah.

1142
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Really good.

1143
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,600
I had no idea he had that high of a range of voice.

1144
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,840
Because in Wham and even his stuff, solo stuff.

1145
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,840
He didn't really use that range.

1146
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,840
No, he didn't.

1147
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,840
Yeah.

1148
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,840
Then you hear him in Queen.

1149
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,600
That guy's not Freddie Mercury.

1150
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,720
But if you're going to replace Freddie Mercury with somebody, it would be someone like him.

1151
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,640
They say that Adam Lambert's like that too, but I haven't heard him.

1152
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,640
I haven't either.

1153
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,640
Anyhow.

1154
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Pink Floyd.

1155
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,640
Yeah.

1156
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,160
After The Wall came out, that was pretty much it for him.

1157
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,160
They put out...

1158
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,240
They did get back various times, but yeah.

1159
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,480
They put out the final cut, but that was just kind of a mishmash of Roger Waters stuff.

1160
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,560
Then they put out Momentary Lapse of Reason, which was supposed to be...

1161
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,560
The Mission Bell.

1162
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,160
Yeah, that was their final.

1163
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Yeah, okay.

1164
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Momentary Lapse of Reason was supposed to be David Gilmore's first solo album.

1165
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Yeah, and it was really good.

1166
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,840
It was, yeah.

1167
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,720
And you could tell it's David Gilmore more than anything else.

1168
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,720
But I mean, it was still good.

1169
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,600
I mean, Learning to Fly is a classic.

1170
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600
There's a couple other songs on there.

1171
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,200
I forgot what they were, but they're really good.

1172
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Dogs of War was really good.

1173
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Dogs of War.

1174
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Yeah.

1175
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,200
The Pink Floyd's drummer, Nick Mason, had pretty much stopped playing.

1176
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,520
So when that album came up, he's like, I'm not in any kind of physical shape to do the

1177
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,520
album.

1178
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,280
So they hired a different drummer.

1179
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,040
And Nick Mason came and did a little percussion, and then he did some background vocals.

1180
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,040
Like on Learning to Fly, you hear the conversation with the pilot in the tower.

1181
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,040
That's Nick Mason.

1182
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Oh, I didn't know that.

1183
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,040
Because he's a pilot.

1184
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,040
Oh, okay.

1185
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,040
So he provided that.

1186
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,960
It was an actual recording of him actually getting ready to take off and fly somewhere.

1187
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Oh, wow.

1188
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Okay.

1189
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,960
So that was his contribution.

1190
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Talking Heads.

1191
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Yeah.

1192
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,280
He had a big, big success, big success.

1193
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,240
And then he just went, and you never heard from him again.

1194
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,240
No.

1195
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,240
Yeah.

1196
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,800
I think their last album that I got from them was Naked.

1197
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,440
It had Nothing But Flowers.

1198
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,440
Oh, yeah.

1199
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,760
Yeah, I didn't care for that one too well.

1200
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,760
It was a really different album.

1201
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,720
There's some really amazing songs on it, but some of them were like, I don't think I want

1202
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:58,720
to listen to this one again.

1203
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,280
I think I remember the, I don't think I want to listen to it, because I'd have to hear

1204
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,280
it again.

1205
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,280
But anyhow.

1206
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,800
Dire Straits.

1207
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,120
They came, they did the Brothers In Arms album, which was enormous.

1208
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,040
I blame the lead guitarist's name.

1209
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Absolutely.

1210
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Mark Knopfler, that's not a good name.

1211
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,920
That's what ruined them.

1212
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,720
But no, after the, when the Brothers In Arms became huge and they went to do the tour,

1213
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,880
Mark Knopfler said, you know what?

1214
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,880
I didn't ever want to be in a band this big.

1215
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,880
I don't like this.

1216
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,880
And he broke the band.

1217
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,880
Oh, I forgot about that.

1218
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,880
Yeah.

1219
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,600
And he did that with the MTV hit.

1220
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,880
And then they reunited for the album On Every Street, which is also really good, which also

1221
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,840
was huge and had a massive tour.

1222
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,160
And after that, he's like, that's it.

1223
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,040
I'm so tired of being a rock star.

1224
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,040
I'm never doing this again.

1225
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,440
He does solo now though.

1226
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,440
Yeah.

1227
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,720
And he's never going to put together a band and do a big tour.

1228
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,640
Well, he's got his wish with Mark Knopfler.

1229
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,640
He's got his wish.

1230
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Anyhow, a very underrated guitarist.

1231
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,840
He'll never get the credit he deserves.

1232
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,840
Especially with rhythm.

1233
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,840
Definitely.

1234
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,200
His choices to play is always so good.

1235
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Oh, yeah.

1236
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,160
White Zombie had a massive hit and then Rob Zombie went solo.

1237
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,680
And Rob Zombie got bigger.

1238
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:14,680
That was it for White Zombie.

1239
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
And then he was going to quit music and just do movies.

1240
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Films.

1241
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Yeah, films.

1242
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,680
But he didn't make as much money saying he'd go back to music.

1243
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Stan Jolene, dude.

1244
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Yep, yeah, he did.

1245
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,120
He went back in.

1246
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,760
Max Pistols broke up at the height of their...

1247
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,800
Yeah, they kind of had to.

1248
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,320
Yeah, because everyone kind of figured out what the scam was.

1249
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,320
Yeah.

1250
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Yep.

1251
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,320
R.E.M.

1252
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:46,320
They had a deal within the band that if anyone wanted to quit, then they would all just quit

1253
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,040
because they didn't want to continue without each other.

1254
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,280
So at one point the drummer said, yeah, I want to quit now.

1255
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,320
And the rest of the band's like, oh, but we're not really ready to quit.

1256
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,760
Michael Sky, he was kind of a miserable guy.

1257
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,760
Yeah.

1258
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,560
So the drummer's like, well, okay, I'll hang on if you really want me to.

1259
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,000
So they hung on a little longer and they're like, yeah, this isn't working.

1260
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000
And they all just blew up.

1261
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Yeah.

1262
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,440
And also, I guess he doesn't have AIDS then.

1263
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Remember the rumor was he was really skinny and people said they're broke up because he's

1264
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,480
about dead of AIDS.

1265
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,480
Yeah, I remember that.

1266
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,480
Well, he's still alive.

1267
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Yeah.

1268
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,480
I guess that was bullshit.

1269
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:30,240
There was a brief period of time where the press was speculating about the singer's sexuality

1270
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,480
and then they dropped it.

1271
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,320
But the singer himself kept bringing it up and bringing it up.

1272
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Yeah, he realized what a gimmick it was.

1273
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,440
And then eventually he's like, okay, I'm going to finally come out and tell y'all.

1274
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,480
And everyone's like, yeah, we really don't care.

1275
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,480
Yeah.

1276
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,360
To this day, I still don't know what his sexuality is and I don't care.

1277
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,360
It just doesn't matter.

1278
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,520
I think he's straight.

1279
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,600
I really think he's straight, but he kind of likes to act a little bit different than

1280
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,600
that.

1281
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,600
But anyhow, it doesn't matter.

1282
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Who cares?

1283
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,600
Yeah.

1284
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:00,600
So I'll go through a few more.

1285
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,760
Police, they broke up pretty much.

1286
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,360
Could have kept going.

1287
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,360
Cream.

1288
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,360
Cream, yeah.

1289
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,360
It was Soundgarden.

1290
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,360
Yes.

1291
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,040
They left a lot of money on the table there.

1292
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,560
Yeah, I mean, down on the upside was different.

1293
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,920
It still did well though.

1294
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,920
It did.

1295
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,640
Their apex was super unknown though.

1296
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:25,200
I mean, that album was one of the best albums of the century.

1297
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,440
The Eagles broke up right after their biggest successes.

1298
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:36,560
ABBA, a band called The Move had a hit with California Man, went to number seven in the

1299
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,480
UK and then broke up and became ELO.

1300
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Oh, okay.

1301
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Isn't that weird?

1302
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Yeah, that is weird.

1303
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,480
I had no idea.

1304
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Yeah.

1305
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,480
Okay.

1306
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:51,720
Derek and the Dominoes broke up because Eric Clapton started that project because he was

1307
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,960
in love with George Harrison's wife, Patti Boyd.

1308
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,720
Who he eventually married?

1309
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:56,720
Yeah.

1310
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,040
He wrote the song, Layla, as a love song to her and then everyone figured out that he

1311
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,640
was Derek and he's like, oh, okay, I'm not fooling anyone.

1312
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,440
He just broke the band up.

1313
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,440
Yep.

1314
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,920
And he eventually got Patti.

1315
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,920
Yeah.

1316
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,920
Yep.

1317
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Which is weird because him and George Harrison were such good friends.

1318
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Yeah, and they were made friends apparently.

1319
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,520
I guess.

1320
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,200
And then Boston, after the third album, they just kind of went nowhere.

1321
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,200
Yeah.

1322
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,120
Well, a lot of that was a record deal that they refused to do another album until they

1323
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,200
had to because they were getting ripped off so bad.

1324
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,200
They didn't have to.

1325
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,200
They're all professionals.

1326
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,200
They're like, fuck you guys.

1327
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,200
We're not doing it.

1328
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,680
And Tom Scholes really is the main driving force and he said he was kind of done.

1329
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,680
He was kind of done.

1330
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,240
Nobody else could do anything without him.

1331
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,240
No.

1332
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,240
Oasis, Black Crows.

1333
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:42,240
Yep.

1334
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:43,240
Billy Squire.

1335
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,320
Remember that bad video?

1336
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,360
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1337
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,360
That killed his career.

1338
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,360
Emotions in motion.

1339
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,360
Yes.

1340
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,320
Well, the thing is, he was, wasn't he always bisexual?

1341
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,320
That's the rumor.

1342
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:02,960
I remember a DJ from KY102 came over and talked to my radio and TV production class.

1343
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,960
I think that's Joe McCabe.

1344
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,680
Yeah, I think it was Joe McCabe.

1345
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920
He said, it's great interviewing rock stars.

1346
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,240
He said, the bummer is the only time a rock star has come over and interviewed and hit

1347
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,560
on me and it was Billy Squire.

1348
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:26,120
Well, Billy Squire did that big thing and he was known as a rocker until then.

1349
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,120
Yeah.

1350
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,080
When he did all this art in motion stuff, it didn't hit.

1351
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,560
People were like, no, no, no.

1352
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,200
This is the Billy Squire we like.

1353
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,200
Yeah.

1354
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,200
Ruined him.

1355
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,200
Creedence Clearwater Revival.

1356
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,200
CCR.

1357
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,760
They broke up because they were getting, like Boss said, getting screwed by the record company.

1358
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,280
So John Fogart, he said, anything we write and record is going to belong to them and

1359
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,640
make them money and not us.

1360
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,400
So I'm just going to quit writing and recording.

1361
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,240
And he waited until the contract expired and then he started recording.

1362
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:57,240
Yeah.

1363
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,240
Yeah.

1364
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,240
You know what, man?

1365
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,960
If you're mad enough, I guess you'll do that, right?

1366
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Yeah.

1367
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,960
The Verve.

1368
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,960
Remember the Verve?

1369
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Yeah, I do.

1370
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,960
They had Bittersweet Symphony.

1371
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:08,960
Yeah, yeah.

1372
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,960
Not held responsible.

1373
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Oh, that was the Verve Pipe.

1374
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,960
Oh, that's the Verve Pipe.

1375
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,960
Okay.

1376
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,960
Who was the Verve?

1377
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:16,960
This was Bittersweet Symphony.

1378
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Oh, okay.

1379
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:18,960
Okay.

1380
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,360
They ripped off the Rolling Stones songs the last time.

1381
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,360
Yeah.

1382
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,600
And when they got caught, the band just basically busted up because that's all they had going

1383
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,440
for them was that one plagiarized song.

1384
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,440
That was it.

1385
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,440
There.

1386
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Yep.

1387
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Remember the Power Station.

1388
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Yes.

1389
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,440
They were put together for...

1390
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Oh, go ahead.

1391
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,520
Yeah, I was going to say Robert Palmer was the lead singer.

1392
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,480
They wanted to do another...

1393
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:53,320
The band, the Power Station, had just locked in a headlining tour with some opening acts

1394
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,320
and they're getting ready to go.

1395
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:01,080
And Robert Palmer was like, yeah, I feel like doing another solo album, so bye.

1396
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,120
At the last second, the Power Station pulled in someone else to fill Robert Palmer's spot,

1397
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,400
but the audience didn't want him.

1398
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,400
They wanted Robert Palmer.

1399
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,400
They were on it.

1400
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,560
So the whole thing fell apart and it's because Palmer wanted to do another solo album right

1401
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,560
then.

1402
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Yep.

1403
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,160
And they were put together.

1404
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,400
The whole band was put together by a record company, I believe.

1405
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Yeah.

1406
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Yeah.

1407
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,400
They were put together to write hits.

1408
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,400
Yes.

1409
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,160
That's the name Power Station.

1410
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:35,960
Simon and Garfunkel, pretty much after 1970 and their big hit, Bridge Over Troubled Waters,

1411
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,800
they just pretty much was downhill from then.

1412
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,800
They did nothing after that, you're right.

1413
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:42,800
It was pretty much done.

1414
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,640
Garfunkel became kind of a recluse for a while.

1415
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Yep.

1416
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,480
Or as we used to call them, Seymour and Garwinkle.

1417
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Yeah.

1418
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Sort of you could say the original Alice Cooper band because they'd had a massive hit with

1419
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:05,020
Schools Out, another massive hit with Billion Dollar Babies, a mediocre reception to Muscle

1420
00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:06,020
of Love.

1421
00:58:06,020 --> 00:58:08,480
Even though that album was so good.

1422
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,480
Yeah.

1423
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,280
It had some great songs on it, but it just didn't sound like Alice Cooper very much.

1424
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,520
Bob Ezrin refused to produce it.

1425
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,520
Yeah.

1426
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,520
Yeah.

1427
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,000
But then Alice Cooper went solo and never looked back.

1428
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Yeah.

1429
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,640
And the original Cooper band, they tried again under the name Billion Dollar Babies and failed

1430
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:25,640
other labels.

1431
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Failed.

1432
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:27,640
Yeah.

1433
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,640
Sad.

1434
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,800
Jay Giles Band.

1435
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,720
They had that monster success with Freeze Frame, Centerfold, Love Stinks.

1436
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Yeah.

1437
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,440
And then boom, it just all went to crap.

1438
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,080
They fired their lead singer.

1439
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,280
Hey.

1440
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,320
And everybody started hating on him for that.

1441
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,840
He had a very distinct voice too, so.

1442
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,840
Yeah.

1443
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,280
Roxy Music had their biggest success with Avalon.

1444
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Uh-huh.

1445
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,040
Busted up right away again.

1446
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,040
Wow.

1447
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Just right after that.

1448
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,320
Brian Ferry wanted to go solo.

1449
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Apparently.

1450
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,920
Kind of like Robert Palmer.

1451
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,920
Yeah.

1452
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,920
You could say Black Sabbath.

1453
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,920
Yes.

1454
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:05,920
When Ozzy left.

1455
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,960
They were kind of, they were riding high.

1456
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,960
They were like big.

1457
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,840
And Ozzy left, so you could consider that a breakup.

1458
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:13,840
Yeah.

1459
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,840
It was a breakup.

1460
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,360
The only thing is they replaced very well their singers.

1461
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,360
Yes.

1462
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,040
And, um, but the main thing is, is their sound.

1463
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Yeah.

1464
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,640
They could not do that sound with Dio and that's what they wanted.

1465
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,640
Yeah.

1466
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,080
And they got it and it worked very well.

1467
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280
And then the last one I had was Rage Against the Machine.

1468
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,280
Yeah.

1469
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Which, you know, I think Tom Morello wanted to go, but the singer also kind of wanted

1470
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:38,640
to go.

1471
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,040
Uh, Zach Dilleroccia, he wanted to do solo because he was more of a rap guy.

1472
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Yeah, he was.

1473
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,920
He wanted to do rap and he did that and from what I understand he did pretty well.

1474
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,160
But Tom Morello, he went on to a super group.

1475
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,160
Mm-hmm.

1476
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,160
And that would have been Rage.

1477
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,160
Audio Slave.

1478
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,880
Audio Slave would have been all of Rage with Chris Cornell except Zach Dilleroccia.

1479
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,880
Yeah.

1480
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,880
And, yeah.

1481
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,880
All right.

1482
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,400
So, and then that's it for that.

1483
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:15,440
I've got some more of bands that broke up but not necessarily at the height of their

1484
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,440
fame.

1485
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,160
And then I've got the super groups one.

1486
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,160
Okay.

1487
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,160
You want me to do my super groups?

1488
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,160
Yeah.

1489
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,160
Okay.

1490
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,160
Okay.

1491
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,120
This is mix and match bands for your own super groups.

1492
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:31,000
So this is stuff you either find interesting, find hilarious, or you think could work but

1493
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,640
you're not real sure.

1494
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:40,720
So the first one I want to put together is Trent Reznor and Alanis Morissette, Ballads.

1495
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,800
Oh.

1496
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,320
I want to hear angry ballads from these two.

1497
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,320
That would be amazing.

1498
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,320
Yeah.

1499
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,320
Wow.

1500
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,320
I like that.

1501
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,320
Yeah.

1502
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,680
You imagine going out, ballads.

1503
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,960
And you know, she'd be hating on men and he'd be hating on women.

1504
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,720
And you're like, who would win?

1505
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,000
I think we'd just all lose.

1506
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000
I think we'd all lose.

1507
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Yeah.

1508
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,280
I think we should be allowed to take these people that are even dead for these super

1509
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,240
groups because I think I've got some that are already dead.

1510
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,240
I agree.

1511
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,240
I agree.

1512
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,240
All right.

1513
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:20,160
The next one I would like, the super group, Roger Waters, John Lennon, Jason Bonham, and

1514
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,520
John Paul Jones.

1515
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,520
Wow.

1516
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,200
You imagine all the different writing styles and then put together.

1517
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,640
Who would win?

1518
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,640
Yeah.

1519
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,880
Man, would they ever agree on a song?

1520
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,880
No.

1521
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,360
But it would make it so good.

1522
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,520
You imagine the album, here, here, here, here, here.

1523
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,880
They'd only have to write one song and then just give us like five different versions

1524
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,600
of it that each one of them came up with.

1525
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,600
That could be a whole album.

1526
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,680
I almost went with Ginger Baker, but I was like, no, I'll keep with that.

1527
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Yeah, I'll keep with Bonham.

1528
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,680
Yeah.

1529
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,400
Baker was kind of a jerk.

1530
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,400
Nobody liked him anyway.

1531
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,400
Yeah.

1532
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,400
That would add even more to it though.

1533
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,880
You imagine him and Lennon.

1534
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,880
Oh my God.

1535
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,880
Him and Lennon would be...

1536
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,080
All right.

1537
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,280
The next one, now I think this would be really interesting.

1538
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,280
I'd love to hear it.

1539
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:17,800
It'll never happen, but Robert Plant, Brandy Rhodes, Tony Franklin, and Les Claypool.

1540
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,600
Wow.

1541
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,880
Now, imagine Robert Plant and Brandy Rhodes alone.

1542
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:24,880
Yeah.

1543
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:25,880
That would work.

1544
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,880
That would work.

1545
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,880
That would have worked very well.

1546
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:33,480
I'm trying to picture Brandy Rhodes and Les Claypool finding any kind of common ground.

1547
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,600
No.

1548
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,200
No.

1549
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,160
Tony Franklin and Les Claypool, both together.

1550
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,680
Can you imagine that shit?

1551
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,960
There'd be no way they would...

1552
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:47,960
Maybe Tony Williams.

1553
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960
Tony Williams, yeah.

1554
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:55,480
He was his kind of father of progressive jazz fusion rock kind of stuff.

1555
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,480
Yeah.

1556
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,560
So he could keep up with Les.

1557
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,560
Yeah.

1558
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:00,560
Let's see.

1559
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,960
Who would be the drummer?

1560
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,280
I didn't put a drummer down though.

1561
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,040
Well Tony Williams is the drummer.

1562
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,040
Tony Williams.

1563
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,040
Yeah.

1564
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Okay.

1565
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,040
We'll go with Tony Williams.

1566
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,040
Yeah, we'll go with Tony Williams.

1567
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Okay.

1568
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,040
Either that or Stuart Copeland.

1569
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,080
No, but I've always wanted to hear two bassists in a song.

1570
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,080
Yeah.

1571
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,160
I think Spinal Tap wrote one like that called Big Bottom.

1572
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,160
Yeah.

1573
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,160
Yes.

1574
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,840
Actually, I guess I did hear one.

1575
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,080
You got to get a Spinal Tap reference in there somewhere.

1576
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,080
All right.

1577
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,080
Next one.

1578
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:38,440
Alicia Keys, Eddie Van Halen, Keith Moon, and Plea.

1579
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,160
Wow.

1580
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,080
I'd be surprised if they could all stay in the same room for more than 15 minutes.

1581
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,080
Oh, geez.

1582
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,760
I guess he'd flee over there giving Eddie a wet willy just constantly.

1583
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Oh my gosh.

1584
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:53,760
Wet willy.

1585
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,760
Wet willy.

1586
01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:03,840
How about Alicia Keys trying to fucking sing this stuff?

1587
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,720
Eddie Van Halen going to weird rhythms and going back and forth.

1588
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,200
She'd all say, just go turn off her mic and go, what was that?

1589
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Did we talk about that?

1590
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,200
We didn't talk about this earlier.

1591
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,200
No, no.

1592
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,640
This is not in the agreement.

1593
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:19,640
That would be hilarious.

1594
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,800
That would be a fabulous disaster that you would love to get the outtakes.

1595
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,800
That's what's the best part is these bands that should never happen.

1596
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:27,800
Yes.

1597
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,800
I've got a list of some of them too.

1598
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:30,800
Yes.

1599
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,440
There's some of them I think that would work phenomenally after arguing a lot in the great

1600
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,440
music.

1601
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,440
Yeah.

1602
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,840
With enough Xanax and ketamine, I think you can get them to work together.

1603
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,560
A lot of alcohol.

1604
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,480
This next one I'm really, really excited about.

1605
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:53,000
You got two singers here and they both are complainers but from different eras.

1606
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Eminem.

1607
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Yeah.

1608
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000
Neil Young.

1609
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,000
Oh yeah.

1610
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,000
Gosh.

1611
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Their voices together, that would not be music.

1612
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
Oh my gosh.

1613
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
They each be bitching.

1614
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000
Oh gosh.

1615
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,000
One would be about political and one would be about his mother.

1616
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Yeah.

1617
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,000
Or his girlfriend.

1618
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Or food stand.

1619
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Or whatever.

1620
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Yeah.

1621
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Yeah.

1622
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,000
And John Karabi playing guitar.

1623
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
Good.

1624
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,000
And Neil Young I guess could probably play a little too.

1625
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Yeah.

1626
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,000
You know what?

1627
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,600
Actually I didn't think about it but they both could have a grungy sound kind of.

1628
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,600
That's true.

1629
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,840
Neil Young and John Karabi, heavy sound.

1630
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,960
And I put Tommy Lee to back all this up.

1631
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:38,960
Yeah.

1632
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,960
Tommy Lee did.

1633
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:40,960
Yeah.

1634
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:41,960
I think he could do it pretty well.

1635
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,960
I mean he already played with John Karabi.

1636
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:43,960
Yeah.

1637
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,200
And if nothing else works he can just drown everyone out.

1638
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,200
Yes.

1639
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,200
This next one.

1640
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Everyone shut up.

1641
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,200
I'm doing the drum solo.

1642
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,600
Ever read how he gets some of those sounds?

1643
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,000
Have you ever read up on it?

1644
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,000
No.

1645
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Oh my god.

1646
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,000
I mean look I don't like the guy personally.

1647
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,480
I think he's a piece of crap.

1648
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,240
But man he did everything to come up with different sounds.

1649
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,160
Like one was in a bathroom and he recorded it there because of the acoustics and the

1650
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,160
hollow sound.

1651
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,160
Yeah.

1652
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,320
And then another one to get power that he did.

1653
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,320
He used different types of sticks and anyhow.

1654
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,040
He was marching band in high school so he learned all of his basic rudiments and skills

1655
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,240
and he learned how to play hard and precise.

1656
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,240
Yeah he'd have to.

1657
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,240
Yeah.

1658
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:32,440
I tried to get into the band in high school but they were already full up with drummers.

1659
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,440
Oh.

1660
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,440
Okay.

1661
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,440
I was always for drumming in high school.

1662
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,440
It's a cool thing.

1663
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,440
Yeah pretty much.

1664
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,440
It's like hey I want to bang on shit.

1665
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,440
Yeah.

1666
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,440
Then when you get out of high school the girls are like ew drummer.

1667
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,440
Yeah drummer.

1668
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,440
I want a musician.

1669
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,440
No.

1670
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,440
You're just a guy that hangs out with musicians.

1671
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,440
Yeah get out of here.

1672
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,040
Alright you're like a roadie.

1673
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:57,840
Only you hit things.

1674
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:58,840
That's a good one.

1675
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,840
There we go.

1676
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:00,840
You're just a roadie they let on stage.

1677
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,480
Yeah get out of here.

1678
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,400
This next one I'm real proud of.

1679
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,400
Mark Knopfler.

1680
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,400
Yeah.

1681
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,400
Jelly Roll.

1682
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,400
Oh nice.

1683
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Geezer Butler.

1684
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,400
And Neil Pirrt.

1685
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,880
Wow.

1686
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,360
What kind of music.

1687
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,360
What kind of music.

1688
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,920
Okay right off.

1689
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,480
Let's dissect this a little bit.

1690
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:32,200
You got Mark Knopfler and his amazing amazing brother.

1691
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,760
I think he would fit with Neil.

1692
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,000
I think so too.

1693
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Okay so those two would work very well together.

1694
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:47,400
Geezer Butler jazz can be heavy can be very dark likes to hold the notes and bend them.

1695
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,400
That would fit.

1696
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Yeah I think he would leave a lot more space for Neil to do stuff.

1697
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,880
Exactly.

1698
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,000
I just don't see where Jelly Roll fits in.

1699
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:03,000
Jelly Roll can sing and he can sing melody and I think it will work.

1700
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,720
Yeah Neil likes those odd time signatures but nobody else does so he'd probably have

1701
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,200
to hang out and just do four four.

1702
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,120
Probably yeah I mean it wouldn't be the perfect fit.

1703
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:14,800
It would be interesting.

1704
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,600
It would be interesting to hear.

1705
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,160
Alright next one.

1706
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,160
This one I love.

1707
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,480
Two lead singers.

1708
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:29,200
And it's got a bassist but Ronnie James Dio could play bass too if he wanted.

1709
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Or actually he's a guitar player too but you could have three guitars in this thing if

1710
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,200
you wanted to.

1711
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,200
Yeah.

1712
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,200
Ronnie James Dio, Chris Cornell.

1713
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Can you imagine them?

1714
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:42,360
That would be some vocals.

1715
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:49,400
Yeah off each other one you know each of them doing a verse one of them back one doing harmony,

1716
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:56,320
Mick Morris, Duff McKagan and Steve Harris to wrap it all up.

1717
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:57,320
Nice.

1718
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:58,320
Or not Steve Harris.

1719
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:05,880
Who am I thinking of?

1720
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:06,880
Steve Morse?

1721
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,200
No the drummer for Iron Maiden.

1722
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,200
Steve Morse actually.

1723
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,200
He's a guitar player yeah.

1724
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,200
Who's the drummer you're thinking of Steve?

1725
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,200
No no no.

1726
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:22,480
I would I meant Iron Maiden but I wrote down Steve Harris but I mean the Iron Maiden drummer.

1727
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,520
Oh well the only one I know is Nicko McBrain.

1728
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,520
That's it.

1729
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,520
Okay.

1730
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,520
Yeah.

1731
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,520
I like Nicko McBrain he's got an awesome name.

1732
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:31,520
I love him.

1733
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,520
Yeah he does.

1734
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,520
He just retired too.

1735
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,520
Yeah I saw that.

1736
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,840
Yeah he was an excellent I love his drumming.

1737
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:37,840
Yep.

1738
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,440
I was thinking Steve Morris.

1739
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:43,520
Steve Morris Kansas, Deep Purple.

1740
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,520
Dixie Draggs.

1741
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,720
Dixie Draggs.

1742
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,720
The guitarist.

1743
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,720
Yeah.

1744
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,720
Hey Alvin.

1745
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,720
Alright.

1746
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:55,960
My super groups that should never happen.

1747
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:01,240
Marie Osmond and Brad Paisley.

1748
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,000
The hat right there is great.

1749
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,760
Join Pantera.

1750
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,160
Now Brad Paisley is a hell of a guitar player.

1751
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,160
Yeah he is.

1752
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,160
I mean dude can play.

1753
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,160
Yeah.

1754
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,800
I mean even if you don't like country music go listen to some Brad Paisley.

1755
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:16,800
No he's good.

1756
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,280
I've heard enough of his stuff.

1757
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,760
But the band would have to be called God's Kitty Cat.

1758
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,160
Cause you know Marie is not going to handle any of it.

1759
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,200
No she's going to have to.

1760
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,200
Yeah.

1761
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,200
Alright here's my next one.

1762
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:36,560
You get the Gallagher Brothers from Oasis and the Robinson Brothers from Black Crows.

1763
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,800
Oh.

1764
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:43,000
And you put them together and call it Black Oasis.

1765
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,400
And they'd constantly be bickering and fighting.

1766
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,000
Nobody would be able to stand anybody.

1767
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,000
No no no no.

1768
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,320
That's when the bands would never get close to each other.

1769
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,160
They'd all stay in their own area.

1770
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:01,060
Alright let's take the surviving members of the Who and put them with the surviving members

1771
01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:02,060
of the Doobie Rothers.

1772
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:05,440
And you call them Who Doobie.

1773
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,440
Who Doobie.

1774
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:07,880
I like that.

1775
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,160
So that'd be Roger Daltrey, Townsend.

1776
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:23,800
And the bass player and the drummer are both dead.

1777
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:24,800
Ed Whistle died.

1778
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,280
Ed Whistle and Moon both died.

1779
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:27,280
And Moon both died.

1780
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,280
Ok yeah.

1781
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:34,360
So the Doobies you'd have Skunk Baxter and Michael McDonald.

1782
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:35,360
Whoever else is left.

1783
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,360
Anyhow yeah.

1784
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,040
A couple of them died but anyhow.

1785
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,040
Here's my next one.

1786
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,400
You have Ryan Adams.

1787
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,520
Summer of 69 died.

1788
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,520
Not Ryan Adams.

1789
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,520
No.

1790
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:47,520
The later one.

1791
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,520
Yeah.

1792
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:54,020
But you also had Ryan Adams who was an all country guy who hates being confused for Ryan

1793
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:55,020
Adams.

1794
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:56,020
Oh yeah.

1795
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:57,020
So of course I'm sticking him in the same man.

1796
01:11:57,020 --> 01:11:58,020
You're putting him in the same one.

1797
01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:02,520
And Ryan Adams is notoriously hard to get along with which is why he's not working right

1798
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,520
now.

1799
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,520
Yes.

1800
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,280
And then you add in somebody who's just in it for the money.

1801
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,280
Grace Slick.

1802
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:13,560
She's like call me whenever it's my parts.

1803
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,800
Don't bother me and tell me.

1804
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,520
On vocals you have Henry Rollins.

1805
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,200
This is getting worse isn't it?

1806
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,200
Yes it is.

1807
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,280
And the bass player from UFO Pete Way.

1808
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,720
Yes wasted Pete Way.

1809
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,080
The guy who nobody knows how he survived all those years.

1810
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,720
You call the band Future Crime Scene.

1811
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,840
A premonition.

1812
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,840
My back's killing me.

1813
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:40,840
That's why I'm standing up.

1814
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,840
Go ahead.

1815
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:42,840
Alright.

1816
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,840
Next band.

1817
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:44,840
Ted Nugent.

1818
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:45,840
Nikki Sixx.

1819
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,840
Two complainers.

1820
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,840
Yeah.

1821
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,840
Billy Squire.

1822
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:55,160
And what's left of Aerosmith.

1823
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,960
And the band is going to be called Don't Tell Me To Fuck Off.

1824
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:58,960
You Fuck Off.

1825
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,880
I want to call it Twitter Rage.

1826
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:04,880
There we go.

1827
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,880
Twitter Rage would be a good one.

1828
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,560
They're both known for their outbursts on Twitter.

1829
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,280
But yeah that would be interesting.

1830
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,400
In an odd way I think it could work too.

1831
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,360
Not well Nikki Sixx would probably ruin it.

1832
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:24,040
No he'd start bashing the other guys and wanting like 80% of everything.

1833
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,040
Alright now three more.

1834
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:31,000
We've got Stevie Nicks plus Dwight Yoakam plus Lou Reed.

1835
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,280
We'll walk on the wild side.

1836
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,560
And the remains of Hanoi Rocks.

1837
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,040
And the band will be called The Wrong Guy Died.

1838
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,040
Yeah.

1839
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,040
Too soon?

1840
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Yeah.

1841
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,040
Too wrong?

1842
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,040
Too soon.

1843
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,040
Too angry?

1844
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,040
I love that.

1845
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,000
I love the angle you took on this.

1846
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,000
You took the name.

1847
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Yeah.

1848
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Yeah.

1849
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Or mostly.

1850
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,000
Okay.

1851
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,600
Tobias Forge from Ghost.

1852
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,200
Jesse James Dupree from Jacked.

1853
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,240
C.C. DeVille.

1854
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Poison.

1855
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,240
Yeah.

1856
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,000
From Kings X Doug Pinnock.

1857
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,000
Okay.

1858
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,640
And then back with Motley Crue's Avatars.

1859
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,640
Oh wow can you imagine Tobias Ford and Pinnock singing together?

1860
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,880
And the band would be called Why Are You Paying For This?

1861
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:22,880
Yeah.

1862
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:29,680
You talk about two completely different singing styles.

1863
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,680
No kidding.

1864
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:31,680
Wow.

1865
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:37,000
But if we've got time I've got some super groups that almost happened.

1866
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Yeah I think we've got time.

1867
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,000
12, 30.

1868
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,760
We've got about another hour and then I've got to leave about 1 or a little bit before.

1869
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,880
So here's an interesting one.

1870
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:51,000
Elvis Presley was very interested in having David Bowie produce one of his albums.

1871
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,000
Really?

1872
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,000
Yeah.

1873
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
You know.

1874
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,320
Back in 2016 Dwight Yoakam said in an interview that a perspective Elvis Presley album produced

1875
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,440
by David Bowie almost came to be.

1876
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:09,040
The story goes that Yoakam met Bowie following a show at the Hollywood Athletic Club during

1877
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,600
Bowie's Earthling Tour.

1878
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:20,240
Bowie revealed that in 1977 just months before Presley's death he had expected, he had received

1879
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:25,480
a phone call from Presley to discuss Bowie producing his next album.

1880
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:31,680
And Bowie being a huge fan said he would have jumped at it but Presley was already ill and

1881
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,000
it didn't seem like there was a realistic chance that it would come to pass.

1882
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,880
Presley was ill before his heart attack?

1883
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:38,880
Yeah.

1884
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,880
Oh I didn't know that.

1885
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,880
He was kind of failing.

1886
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:41,880
Yeah.

1887
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:42,880
Oh okay.

1888
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,880
He was really bad blood pressure, high cholesterol, liver disease, a number of other things.

1889
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,520
He didn't take care of his body and he took a whole hell of a lot of drugs.

1890
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,120
Yeah and then he died trying to take it down.

1891
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:59,720
And they said in 75, 1975 a couple years earlier, Presley's manager had invited Bowie to write

1892
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:04,480
a song for Elvis so Bowie submitted the now classic song Golden Years.

1893
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:05,480
Oh wow.

1894
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:08,320
But Presley said nah don't want it.

1895
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,000
Isn't that weird?

1896
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,240
That is.

1897
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:17,320
And ironically enough Presley and Bowie shared the same birthday January 8th except 12 years

1898
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:18,320
apart.

1899
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,920
And now they're reunited.

1900
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,440
Next up we have Van Halen with Patti Smythe on vocals.

1901
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,440
I would love to hear that.

1902
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,040
Yeah we mentioned this on the last Music Creeds.

1903
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,080
She was 8 months pregnant which is the only reason she declined.

1904
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,640
It's the only reason Sammy got the job.

1905
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,760
We could have had her instead of fucking Sammy Hagar.

1906
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,960
I like Sammy Hagar.

1907
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,280
I like the solo stuff, the Red Rocker but I think Patti Smythe would have been a much

1908
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,840
better singer for Van Halen.

1909
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,480
Yes out of all those albums they put out they have like two good songs with Sammy and the

1910
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:55,640
rest of them are mediocre.

1911
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,960
The Beatles and the Stones and Bob Dylan were going to form a supergroup.

1912
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:01,960
Really?

1913
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:02,960
Yeah.

1914
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:08,240
Engineer and producer Glenn Johns who worked with all three acts not to mention the Who,

1915
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:15,560
the Zep, the Band, the Clash said in his 2014 autobiography he said his plan back in 1969

1916
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:22,280
was to pool the best material from Mick and Keith, Paul and John, and Bob Dylan and George

1917
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,040
who was I guess his writing partner and then select the best rhythm section from the two

1918
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,160
bands for whichever song we were cutting.

1919
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:37,440
Initially the interest in this came from Bob Dylan who wanted this to happen who approached

1920
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:43,040
the Stones and the Beatles about a collaborative project.

1921
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,960
Said Keith Richards and George Harrison loved the idea, John Lennon, Paul McCartney and

1922
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,360
Mick Jagger were all fundamentally opposed.

1923
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,440
Said nah don't want to do it.

1924
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,560
The years later Dylan would get his chance to work with the Traveling Willberries so it

1925
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,360
was kind of almost the same.

1926
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,360
Isn't that weird?

1927
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,360
That is.

1928
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,200
Now the Willberries were very good while they were around.

1929
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,320
And it was kind of like the same idea where they each wrote songs and then they kind of

1930
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,800
sound like the ones Dylan wrote sounded like Dylan's songs and the one Jeff Lynn wrote

1931
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:17,800
sounded like ELO's songs.

1932
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,600
It kind of worked out.

1933
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,660
It's actually really good that whole album is solid.

1934
01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:26,880
This one would have been amazing.

1935
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,800
Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Hendrix.

1936
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:30,800
What?

1937
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Yeah.

1938
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,240
If Lake would have gone to bass, Hendrix would have taken over guitar.

1939
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,800
Because Greg Lake played bass and guitar on all their albums.

1940
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,760
Emerson was keys and Palmer was drums.

1941
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:48,760
But the story behind this dates back to the very origins of ELP in 1970 when Greg Lake,

1942
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,960
formerly of King Crimson and Keith Emerson, formerly of the Nice, big and couldn't get

1943
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,480
the new outfit.

1944
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,640
Jimi Hendrix's experience had just broken up.

1945
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:02,760
And Greg Lake talked to his ex Hendrix drummer Mitch Mitchell about signing up.

1946
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:09,200
He explains that it was Mitch Mitchell who initially suggested that maybe Hendrix should

1947
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,880
get on board with ELP.

1948
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,000
Two things happened shortly after.

1949
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Lake and Emerson went to meet with drummer Carl Palmer, who used to be of Atomic Rooster

1950
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,480
and the crazy role of Oliver Arthur Brown.

1951
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,080
And then Hendrix died.

1952
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,080
Yeah.

1953
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,360
Oh, gee man.

1954
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,080
So they were getting ready to put together.

1955
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,280
They were going to do this.

1956
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,840
It was going to be Emerson, Lake, Palmer and Hendrix from the start.

1957
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,840
Wow.

1958
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:34,840
That would have been amazing.

1959
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:39,880
Oh, can you imagine Hendrix psychedelic stuff with that, with ELP?

1960
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,840
Oh my gosh.

1961
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:49,120
Now if they had kept Palmer, then they could have been help, H-E-L-P.

1962
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,760
If they kept Mitch Mitchell as drummer, which I think probably would have been a better

1963
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,760
choice.

1964
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,840
I like Carl Palmer, but he was not.

1965
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:56,840
I'm, yeah.

1966
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:57,840
Mitch Mitchell is much better.

1967
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:58,840
Yeah.

1968
01:19:58,840 --> 01:19:59,840
Then they could have been Helm.

1969
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:00,840
Helm.

1970
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:01,840
I hope for Helm.

1971
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:02,840
Hendrix, Emerson, Lake and Mitchell.

1972
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:03,840
And Mitchell.

1973
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:04,840
Cool.

1974
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:05,840
But no one would have had to go over there.

1975
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,840
Oh, that would have been so good.

1976
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:08,840
I want that band.

1977
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,840
We'll never get it.

1978
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,680
I would just love to hear what they came up with.

1979
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,840
There's no outtakes or nothing they never actually got together for.

1980
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:19,840
No.

1981
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:20,840
It was all in the talk.

1982
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,840
But imagine Hendrix and Keith Emerson trading licks on guitar and keyboard.

1983
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,840
It would make Deep Purple look mediocre.

1984
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:29,840
Yeah.

1985
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:35,840
Well, John Lord played the organ pretty much.

1986
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,840
Yeah.

1987
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,840
But anyhow.

1988
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:38,840
All right.

1989
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:43,520
Up next, Jimi Hendrix on guitar, Miles Davis trumpet, Paul McCartney bass, and Tony Williams

1990
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:44,520
drums.

1991
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,840
Everybody's wanting Hendrix to join their clan.

1992
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:48,840
Yeah.

1993
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,280
They said a telegram was sent to Paul McCartney from the other three.

1994
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,800
Saying dated October 22nd, 1969 reads as follows.

1995
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,640
We are recording and LP together.

1996
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,160
They misspelled and LP together.

1997
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,160
This weekend.

1998
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,000
How about coming in to play bass?

1999
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,000
Stop.

2000
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,840
Call Alan Douglas at 212-581-2212.

2001
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,080
I guess you can call that number now and see what's there.

2002
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,520
That's a good idea.

2003
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:14,520
Peace.

2004
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,760
Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, Tony Williams.

2005
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:23,760
And McCartney, let's see where it gets down to what McCartney said.

2006
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:29,240
I think basically it was McCartney's just kind of said, nah, it doesn't sound like a

2007
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,240
good fit.

2008
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,240
I just really don't want to do it.

2009
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,240
Okay.

2010
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,520
But he played with Michael Jackson.

2011
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,520
Yeah.

2012
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,680
The Beatles were wrapping up their recording of Abbey Road.

2013
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,160
Williams went on to become the most respected jazz fusion drummer.

2014
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,440
Hendrix was just a few months away from his tragic death.

2015
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,680
It's like right before he died, there were all these plans for supergroups happening.

2016
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:51,680
I know.

2017
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:52,680
Isn't that crazy?

2018
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:53,680
Yeah.

2019
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:54,680
And then the one, the next one.

2020
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,080
We're lucky to get music we did out of him.

2021
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,920
Yeah, I think we did.

2022
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,280
Prince and Michael Jackson.

2023
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,080
The two personalities bore as many similarities as the differences.

2024
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:06,920
Both born in 58.

2025
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:12,600
Both heavily influenced by James Brown and classic Motown stacked soul sounds.

2026
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:17,080
They shared some musical roots.

2027
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:24,680
Michael Jackson in an interview said, I was trying to do this collaboration with Michael

2028
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,520
Jackson to save his life.

2029
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,160
The collaboration was me calling up as an excuse to reach out to this guy who was in

2030
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,160
a really bad place.

2031
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,320
I sent him a plane ticket and a driver and he tacked the plane ticket to the wall in

2032
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,320
the bedroom.

2033
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,440
The driver sat outside the house for 10 hours.

2034
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:43,480
Oh, wait a second.

2035
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,480
We're skipping on to a different one.

2036
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:46,480
Oh no.

2037
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:52,320
I'm sorry, I skipped a page.

2038
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,320
Let's see.

2039
01:22:53,320 --> 01:23:00,760
No, Quincy Jones was going to be the producer for Prince and Michael Jackson.

2040
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,600
I think they eventually met at Jackson House, but eventually Prince was the one who passed

2041
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,600
on the idea.

2042
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,920
He said he had more to do with the material.

2043
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,000
He said I would have worked with Michael Jackson fine, but the material that we had just wasn't

2044
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,840
worth my time.

2045
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:25,160
Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson were going to have a project together.

2046
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:30,840
Michael Jackson attended a Queen concert and they got together and thought that there was

2047
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,800
some potential there.

2048
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,360
Three tracks were actually laid down in Jackson's home.

2049
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,920
There must be more to life than this, state of shock, and victory.

2050
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,080
Probably the first one, there must be more to life than this, has ever officially been

2051
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,920
released on a 2014 compilation album.

2052
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,200
So we can get a taste of it.

2053
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,520
Yeah, state of shock he released.

2054
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,680
Two different versions of it.

2055
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:04,560
One with Freddie Mercury and one with, who's the other one?

2056
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:05,560
Dammit.

2057
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:06,560
Victory?

2058
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,520
No, the other state of shock.

2059
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,640
Yeah, there's two state of shocks.

2060
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,080
I forgot who the second one was.

2061
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,440
He released one with Freddie Mercury and Mick Jagger.

2062
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:18,440
Oh yeah.

2063
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:23,600
Well they said basically the reason this project kind of petered out, Mercury himself said

2064
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,400
that their work schedules were to blame.

2065
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:33,800
They could never find time together to make it happen and make more tracks.

2066
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:39,200
And then time just kind of ran out for both of them.

2067
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:40,640
What timeline was that?

2068
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:41,640
That was mid-80s.

2069
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:47,520
That would have been, yeah, it started in 83 when Michael Jackson went to a Queen concert.

2070
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,120
Freddie Mercury was still well.

2071
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,680
Yeah, he still could have done it.

2072
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:56,840
And then the one I started accidentally reading, R.E.M. and Nirvana were going to do a project

2073
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:57,840
together.

2074
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:04,240
Kurt Cobain was a great admirer of R.E.M. especially Automatic for the People, he loved

2075
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,360
that album.

2076
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,440
In the year Kurt Cobain died he said if I could write just a couple of songs as good

2077
01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:14,160
as what they've written, I don't know how that band does what they do but they're just

2078
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,160
the greatest.

2079
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,200
So he was a big, big fan.

2080
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:25,120
Michael Stipe, singer for R.E.M. was a close friend and somewhat of a mentor to Cobain.

2081
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:32,120
He was also godfather to Francis Bean, their child.

2082
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:38,200
Stipe was watching Cobain's downward spiral into drugs and depression and so he tried

2083
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,080
to push forward this project.

2084
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,800
That's what I was reading for.

2085
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,280
I was doing this to try to decide his life, he was in a really bad place, send him a plane

2086
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:52,560
ticket but he just sat in the house while the driver waited outside for 10 hours, Kurt

2087
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,680
wouldn't come out, wouldn't answer the phone.

2088
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,560
Basically Kurt just opted out.

2089
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,880
The weird thing is that was his idol, that's what he wanted to work with him.

2090
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,320
He wanted to write something.

2091
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:09,000
But he was depressional, really, really changing.

2092
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,280
Yeah, it's got it.

2093
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,520
You'd think he'd been jumping for joy.

2094
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,520
Yeah.

2095
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:16,520
Wow.

2096
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,520
Okay.

2097
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,280
And then the last one I have is XYZ.

2098
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:26,840
This would have been a super group coming from former members of Yes and Led Zeppelin.

2099
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,920
So X, Yes and Zeppelin, XYZ.

2100
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:36,160
When John Bonham died, Led Zeppelin kind of quit being a working outfit.

2101
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:42,440
Since meeting between Jimmy Page and Yes' bassist keyboard player Chris Squire, they

2102
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:45,120
started talking about a band together.

2103
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:51,400
Squire recruited fellow Yes member Alan White on drums, excellent drummer.

2104
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,760
Then they used the keyboardist from Green Slate, Dave Lawson.

2105
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,720
And then Robert Plant was approached to be the lead singer.

2106
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:59,720
Really?

2107
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,200
But even though he attended rehearsal, he ultimately decided not to commit.

2108
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,840
Well, he was really wanting to do his solo stuff anyhow.

2109
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,800
Yeah, that was when he was really starting to want to do solo stuff.

2110
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,560
Under the weight of contractual wrangles, combined with Plant's ambivalence, the whole

2111
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,560
plan just fell apart.

2112
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:23,000
Intriguingly, they did lay down some recorded material which showed up in altered form on

2113
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,600
various future Yes albums.

2114
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:25,600
How we damn?

2115
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,600
Yeah.

2116
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:32,080
They're not saying which ones they were, but they said in the interview with Page, he said

2117
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,520
he felt pretty positive about his time with the proposed supergroup.

2118
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,200
He's like, yeah, this will never happen again.

2119
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,240
That was the chance and it had been passed.

2120
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,240
That was it.

2121
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:44,240
Yeah.

2122
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,440
So I remember people talking about XYZ and being really stoked about it.

2123
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:51,080
I remember that too.

2124
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,360
I didn't know who all it was and all that.

2125
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:59,880
Yeah, all I knew was the remains of Led Zeppelin plus the bass player from Yes and the drummer

2126
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,320
from Yes.

2127
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,600
So who knows?

2128
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,400
Hey, okay.

2129
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:12,720
We all know Ace Frehley, right?

2130
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,520
He is a very influential guitar.

2131
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,120
Pretty sloppy, admittedly.

2132
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,800
He's the one guy that says he wished he would have practiced more if he would have known

2133
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,440
he would have affected that many more people playing.

2134
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:27,120
He said, I wish I would have practiced more.

2135
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,120
It's funny.

2136
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:29,120
It is.

2137
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:34,800
He's extremely honest, so him rating another Kiss guitarist is no different.

2138
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,160
I found this article to be really intriguing because of his honesty.

2139
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,600
So, all right, so they asked Ace, what did you think of Vinnie's playing?

2140
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:44,600
Vinnie Vincent.

2141
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:52,200
Vincent Cusano is his real name that appeared on many Kiss albums as a songwriting credit.

2142
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,800
Oh, okay.

2143
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:59,280
So because he played on two Kiss albums, Creatures of the Night, which they admit here, that's

2144
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:00,280
all I've always said.

2145
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,280
That was Vinnie.

2146
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,280
That was not Ace.

2147
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:03,280
And lick it up.

2148
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,440
He's a good guitar player.

2149
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:09,300
Even Paul said in interviews that Vinnie is a really good songwriter, which would go back

2150
01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:11,040
to his albums that they wrote.

2151
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:16,120
He said, I never dissected any of his songwriting, but from what I understand, he's a really

2152
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:17,120
good songwriter.

2153
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,640
I think he's a good guitar player.

2154
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,040
None of us can play exactly the way we did when we were in our 20s.

2155
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,040
He can't play at all now, but anyhow.

2156
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:29,760
Because Ace catches up with you a little, but you do your best.

2157
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,000
But Bruce is an excellent musician.

2158
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,160
He's actually technically a better guitar player than me, which I'd agree, technically.

2159
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,160
Bruce Coolidge.

2160
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,160
Yes.

2161
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:44,180
But he doesn't have the feeling that Ace does, but technically, yeah, he is a better guitar

2162
01:29:44,180 --> 01:29:45,180
player.

2163
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:47,000
More precise, for sure.

2164
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,000
He knows what he's doing.

2165
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,600
He knows how to write a decent song.

2166
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,280
He's good at pop songs, too.

2167
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,360
Okay, I'd be the first to say that.

2168
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:59,200
But I have a certain style that I've developed over the years that even it's a little sloppy,

2169
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,640
people can recognize Ace freely solos, which is true.

2170
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,160
His note bending, like I've always said, only he can do that.

2171
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,160
You hear it, and you're like, oh, that's Ace.

2172
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,280
You hear an Ace song, it's just like Kim Thal.

2173
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,280
Yeah.

2174
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,760
You hear that, and you go, oh, that's Kim Thal.

2175
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:15,760
How do you know that?

2176
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:16,760
It's the sound.

2177
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:17,760
The sound.

2178
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,520
Yeah, there's some guitar players I really learned to recognize by the sound or certain

2179
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,520
tricks they do.

2180
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,520
It's like, oh, I know who that is.

2181
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,520
He goes, I get it.

2182
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:32,200
Oh, he did not write Mark St. John, who was on one album, and he developed an arthritic

2183
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,320
condition in his hands, and they had to replace him with Bruce Coolidge.

2184
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,320
This is the Analyze Tour.

2185
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,520
Right after they did the album, it was like maybe the third show, and he developed that

2186
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:46,800
arthritic condition, and they had to take him out and put in Bruce Coolidge.

2187
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,240
So I get it because I'm a blues-based rock guitarist, and a lot of times my solos, rather

2188
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:57,800
than playing fast like Yngwie, for example, I'd rather play a slower melodic solo that

2189
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,720
people can hum.

2190
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:04,000
Because if you're playing like 50 notes in a measure, it's pretty hard to hum.

2191
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,240
I agree.

2192
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,000
We've always said this, though.

2193
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,360
I remember when Heron Cream came out with Sunshine of Your Love, and Clapton did a really

2194
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,120
cool melodic solo.

2195
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,920
I think part of his solo he stole from the song Blue Moon.

2196
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,600
No, I can see that.

2197
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,240
I'll have to re-listen to it, but I believe him.

2198
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,560
Those are the people I studied growing up as a teenager playing guitar.

2199
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:25,940
I studied Eric Clapton.

2200
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:27,400
I studied Jimi Hendrix.

2201
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,680
I studied Jimi Page big time.

2202
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,200
Jeff Beck, another great guitar player.

2203
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,040
I was lucky to have met at the Iridium Club in Manhattan.

2204
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,440
Unfortunately, he passed away too recently.

2205
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:41,360
This must have been from last year when he passed away.

2206
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,040
No, I guess it could have been this year too.

2207
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,040
People are dropping like flies.

2208
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,040
I don't get it.

2209
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,120
I just went to my doctor the other day and he said, Ace, I've been tracking your blood

2210
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,280
work over the last three or four years.

2211
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,280
Every year it gets better.

2212
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,600
You're the only patient, I said, that is aging in reverse.

2213
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,600
Being sober and eating organically, working out, that's the big difference here.

2214
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,400
I try to stay away from junk food.

2215
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:06,400
And then anyhow, this whole thing, he said he eats a cheeseburger every now and then.

2216
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:13,600
He rated most of Kiss' guitarists and he was extremely honest and it wasn't that long

2217
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,760
of a, you know, he didn't get into it real depth.

2218
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,080
He just said how he felt.

2219
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:20,080
I enjoyed it.

2220
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:21,560
I enjoyed it a lot.

2221
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:27,200
Yeah, it's nice that he didn't get into specifics and music theory and he kept it very accessible

2222
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:28,200
for people.

2223
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,920
He got me to Tommy Thayer too, but I didn't include that part.

2224
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,640
And here's what he said about Tommy Thayer in a nutshell.

2225
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:37,280
Tommy Thayer is really good at duplicating other music, but he's not good with his own

2226
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:38,280
feeling.

2227
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:39,280
Yeah.

2228
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:40,280
And I agree.

2229
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,280
And that's why they hired him.

2230
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:46,240
You know, he was his technician, his roadie technician, Ace's, and he used to fill in

2231
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,320
for Ace when Ace wouldn't show up.

2232
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,320
Yeah.

2233
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:54,640
Ace said one time he ran in at last minute, or no, Tommy said this, and he's dressed up

2234
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:55,640
as Ace.

2235
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,640
And Ace walks by and he goes, hey, hi Tommy.

2236
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,080
He goes out on stage.

2237
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:08,880
Anyhow, I didn't want to go and cat a whole bunch because it's a, you know, anyhow, go

2238
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:09,880
ahead.

2239
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,480
Oh, here we are.

2240
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:17,560
I seem to have more bands that broke up in interesting ways.

2241
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:18,560
And that's cool.

2242
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,080
I came up one little thing.

2243
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,200
It's not worth a whole lot of time, but I started thinking about, you know how we have

2244
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,080
lead guitarists and rhythm guitarists?

2245
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,360
Yeah.

2246
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:33,880
I think bands have lead drummers and rhythm drummers.

2247
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,000
And I came up with some examples.

2248
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,200
It's like Ringo Starr is a rhythm drummer.

2249
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,400
Ian Pace for Deep Purple, he's a lead drummer.

2250
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:49,480
Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, lead drummers.

2251
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:52,120
Simon Kirk from Bad Company, rhythm drummer.

2252
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,120
Yeah.

2253
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,880
And it's interesting how bands will choose one or the other because you really don't

2254
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:03,120
have, you know, a lot of times you don't have a band that's like Mr. Solid Rhythm Guy and

2255
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,720
then every once in a while he does these spectacular Neil Peart kind of things.

2256
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,840
It's kind of one or the other.

2257
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,360
I think it's for the type of music they're playing and what they think is going to fit

2258
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,360
in there.

2259
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,360
Yeah.

2260
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,440
You don't need a guy going off on his own.

2261
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:18,440
You don't need it.

2262
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:20,480
I mean, can you imagine Bad Company?

2263
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:21,480
Yeah.

2264
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:22,480
It wouldn't work.

2265
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:23,480
With them overplaying.

2266
01:34:23,480 --> 01:34:25,040
Yeah, there's no way.

2267
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:29,080
They were just, you know, fucking meat and potatoes band.

2268
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,400
Even though they're very talented, really talented, they chose to just do rock.

2269
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,480
An album oriented rock.

2270
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:40,440
I thought it was interesting that it's a lot of times it's three piece bands that'll

2271
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:43,840
have the lead drummer like Triumph and Cream.

2272
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,160
Triumph is a great example.

2273
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,840
They never got a lot of really credit for what they did.

2274
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:50,840
Not in America.

2275
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,920
In Canada they were still pretty huge.

2276
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:53,920
Yeah.

2277
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:58,600
But then you got some three piece bands with a strictly rhythm drummer like ZZ Top.

2278
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:59,600
Yeah.

2279
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:00,600
That guy's strictly rhythm.

2280
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,600
But he's good.

2281
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:02,600
I mean, I liked it.

2282
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,800
He didn't overplay because he didn't have to.

2283
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:13,880
Of course, you can't really judge on ZZ Top's drummer on any album from like Eliminator

2284
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:14,880
on.

2285
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:15,880
Drum Machine.

2286
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,360
Yeah, from Eliminator on it's Drum Machine.

2287
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:18,360
Yeah.

2288
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,000
You never hear a live drum on an island or out.

2289
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,760
Wasn't that like their choice?

2290
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,080
It was Billy Gibbons' choice.

2291
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,080
Billy Gibbons wanted that.

2292
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,080
Okay.

2293
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,080
Yeah.

2294
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:31,200
The article I remember reading from the sound engineer, he said the band would lay down

2295
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:36,160
tracks during the day and then they'd all go to bed and Billy would stay up late and

2296
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:40,200
redo the drum tracks with his drum machine every night.

2297
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,040
So he just decided to just do that.

2298
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,760
Replacing with Frank Beard and playing.

2299
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:49,180
And he said they kept it hidden until like the end when they were playing the final mix

2300
01:35:49,180 --> 01:35:50,180
for everybody.

2301
01:35:50,180 --> 01:35:52,240
And the drummer's like, who the hell is that?

2302
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,240
That's not me drumming.

2303
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:54,840
Who the hell did you hire to replace me?

2304
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:59,080
And then they had to say, well, this is a drum machine because that's the best sound

2305
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:00,880
and we really are going to go with the drum machine.

2306
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:05,920
Did they give Frank Beard his money though?

2307
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:06,920
I don't know.

2308
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,600
You know, he doesn't get songwriting credit so he didn't get paid that way.

2309
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,680
Since he didn't really perform on the album, he doesn't get paid for that.

2310
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,880
Really the only thing he's going to get paid for is the live shows.

2311
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:18,880
Okay.

2312
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:23,720
Well, because something like that happened with Blizzard of Oz.

2313
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,480
Lee Kerslake was the guy's name I couldn't think of.

2314
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:30,120
They had replaced all his playing with Tommy Aldrich after the fact.

2315
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:35,280
The original was Lee Kerslake and I guess because of the big fight they had or something.

2316
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,160
So they're like, all right, well, we're just going to take all his stuff off of there and

2317
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:42,660
he's not going to get anything, you know, any residuals after that.

2318
01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:48,520
So I wonder after he took and put a drum machine in it, they said, hey, we're sorry, but you're

2319
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,720
not getting any money for this or we're still going to pay you because you get it.

2320
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:58,800
I think what they told Frank Beard is it's going to be this or you're out of the band

2321
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,440
and we'll just hire a drummer for the tour.

2322
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,920
But we'd rather have it be us three, maintain the image, et cetera.

2323
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,520
And then they did, they hid the fact from the public for as long as they could that

2324
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,000
they're using a drum machine.

2325
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,000
It's amazing.

2326
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,560
They hid it for about three albums.

2327
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:13,560
Well, they didn't hide it.

2328
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,000
They just wouldn't admit it because everyone could tell.

2329
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,000
Everyone knew.

2330
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,960
And they were being very specific in their lives.

2331
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:25,320
They were denying that they used this specific brand and model of drum machine on the album.

2332
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:26,320
People caught on.

2333
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:33,080
Well, and that unit stayed together forever, too, until one of their deaths and obviously

2334
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,320
had some discontention in there.

2335
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:36,320
Yeah.

2336
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,320
Wow.

2337
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:38,320
Yeah.

2338
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,160
But, you know, I think from Eliminator on, the band realized Billy Gibbons is making

2339
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,560
us a crap ton of money if we just let him do it his way.

2340
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,800
So let's just get on board for the ride and be grateful.

2341
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:49,800
Yeah.

2342
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,320
So they let Billy Gibbons, if not, Billy Gibbons would have gone solo and those, all those

2343
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,320
albums would have been Billy Gibbons solo albums.

2344
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:56,320
Yeah.

2345
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:01,080
And they went from that really loose stretch to, I don't know what you call it.

2346
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,200
It's still loose, but not the same.

2347
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,680
It's a lot harder and more polished.

2348
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:06,680
Yeah, a little bit more polished.

2349
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,560
A lot of their earlier albums, you could tell it's just the three piece.

2350
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:10,560
It's the three piece.

2351
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,680
It's like they recorded them live and it's all honky and scratchy and weird.

2352
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:14,680
Yeah, yeah.

2353
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,640
And they're all behind the albums all of them.

2354
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:17,640
Yeah.

2355
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,760
And to be fair, in the past Frank Beard has had a lot of troubles with heroin.

2356
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:22,760
That's true.

2357
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,600
So they've had to carry him for a number of years.

2358
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,200
So at this point they're like, well, this is how it's going to be.

2359
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,200
And he's probably-

2360
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:29,640
He had no leg to stand on.

2361
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:30,640
I'm sure he didn't.

2362
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,760
And, you know, he's probably realizing this is the best offer I'm getting yet because

2363
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,400
he was an okay drummer, but nothing really spectacular.

2364
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,400
Nothing stood out about him at all.

2365
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:41,400
No.

2366
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:42,400
Uh-huh.

2367
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:43,400
Uh-huh.

2368
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:44,400
Yeah.

2369
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:45,400
Uh-huh.

2370
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:46,400
Yeah.

2371
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,400
Uh, let's see.

2372
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:52,400
And then other bands that maybe have split up.

2373
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,400
Uh, let's see.

2374
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:55,400
Stone Roses.

2375
01:38:55,400 --> 01:39:00,480
Uh, they had a debut album in 89, considered one of the most influential pieces in British

2376
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:01,480
music history.

2377
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:05,240
Songs like Waterfall, I Want to Be Adored, I Am the Resurrection.

2378
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:10,440
Um, but then it took them five years to come up with their second album.

2379
01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:13,200
And it didn't live up to anybody's expectation.

2380
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,640
I don't even remember their second album.

2381
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:16,640
Yeah.

2382
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,160
And they had a lot of band lineup changes.

2383
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:23,320
Um, they didn't fully reunite until 2011.

2384
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,480
I don't even know- I didn't even know that.

2385
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:27,480
Okay.

2386
01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:32,120
And then they kind of kept it going through a Hampton Park concert in 2017.

2387
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:36,040
But it seemed overall they just couldn't handle the pressure that their own success brought

2388
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,040
on.

2389
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,040
Um, let's see.

2390
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,720
Here we go.

2391
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:51,040
Yeah, it's like their first album was Odyssey and Oracle from 1968.

2392
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,040
Wow.

2393
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:53,040
Long time ago.

2394
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,040
Okay.

2395
01:39:54,040 --> 01:40:01,320
Um, no wait, this- no, I'm sorry, this is blending into the zombies.

2396
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,040
It's the zombies.

2397
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,320
I ran the two stories again.

2398
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:05,320
Okay, the zombies.

2399
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:06,320
Okay.

2400
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,840
First album in 68 was Odyssey and Oracle.

2401
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:08,960
You know how sad the thing is?

2402
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:09,960
I had no idea.

2403
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,720
I was just like, okay.

2404
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,440
Yeah, these things didn't print out right.

2405
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:14,440
I'm sorry about that.

2406
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:17,160
Well, you're going into my territory now.

2407
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:18,480
I have this shit all the time.

2408
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:23,480
It'll overlap or switch positions on my- anyhow, go ahead.

2409
01:40:23,480 --> 01:40:27,480
But the zombies' biggest hit was the song The Time of the Season.

2410
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:29,360
It's the time of the season for loving.

2411
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:30,360
Yeah, yeah.

2412
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:34,960
You hear it on not even classic rock, like what we call old East stations.

2413
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:35,960
Yeah.

2414
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,600
And sometimes the Safer Work radio stations.

2415
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,120
Yeah, those, those, the Musac stuff.

2416
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,880
But the odd thing is by the time it became a hit, the band had already decided to break

2417
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:47,880
up.

2418
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:48,880
Okay.

2419
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:53,640
And they had a final gig in December of 67, four months before their final album was released,

2420
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,640
they already split up.

2421
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:56,640
Wow.

2422
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:57,640
Yeah.

2423
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:58,640
Okay.

2424
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:04,120
Hootie and the Blowfish, they got huge in 1999.

2425
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:12,240
And it was like the whole country was super excited and then super sick of them.

2426
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,560
And their next album came out and nobody gave a damn.

2427
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,880
No, they didn't.

2428
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,480
Everything was on that one album.

2429
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:19,480
Yeah.

2430
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:21,080
And then now he's country.

2431
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:22,080
Yeah.

2432
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:23,080
Darius Rucker.

2433
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:24,080
Yeah, he's country.

2434
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,080
He's very big.

2435
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:26,080
I mean-

2436
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,720
He's had a way better career as a country artist than he had as Hootie.

2437
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,080
He sounds great as country, too.

2438
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,180
He was never Hootie.

2439
01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:34,180
There was no Hootie.

2440
01:41:34,180 --> 01:41:35,180
No, no, no.

2441
01:41:35,180 --> 01:41:36,800
He was country.

2442
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,480
He was Darius from down the road.

2443
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:40,480
Yes.

2444
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,440
Well, let's see.

2445
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:45,200
Here we got Velvet Underground.

2446
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,200
Okay.

2447
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:55,680
A lot more in artistic influence than actual personal success.

2448
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:56,680
Let's see.

2449
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,680
Do, do, do, do, do.

2450
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:00,680
Okay.

2451
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,040
I think I lost a paragraph in here.

2452
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,480
It was Lou Reed that was really the big deal in Velvet Underground.

2453
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:08,480
Okay.

2454
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:11,280
And in 1970, he decided, you know what?

2455
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:12,280
I want to go solo.

2456
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:17,780
And he took basically the whole band's identity with him and then he went solo.

2457
01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:23,200
And then two years later in 72, Lou Reed had the Rock and Roll Animals album and tour,

2458
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,800
which basically put him over the top.

2459
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:32,880
And then Alice Cougar came and stole his guitar players, Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter, and

2460
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,880
said, I want these guys.

2461
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,680
And Lou Reed was, that's pretty much.

2462
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:44,680
He did okay.

2463
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:45,680
Smashing Pumpkins.

2464
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,640
They came out with Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness in 95.

2465
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,600
28-track double album.

2466
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,280
Lasted over two hours.

2467
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:59,600
Name the most accomplished, best-selling double album of the decade.

2468
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,640
Debuted at number one.

2469
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,400
Earned seven Grammys.

2470
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,160
But within five years, the Smashing Pumpkins were gone.

2471
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:08,160
Yeah.

2472
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:18,040
They had an array of weird characters in that band, including, shit, what's his name?

2473
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:19,640
Bald-headed guy, the.

2474
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:20,640
Billy Corgan.

2475
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,640
Billy Corgan, yeah.

2476
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,400
I think that thing was built just for a sound and that was about it.

2477
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,520
And if you're wondering what that is, Rat in the Cage.

2478
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,760
That not 1979 or anything like that.

2479
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:37,480
This was their last album, which was harder edged.

2480
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:42,880
But the guys, I don't think from what I read, necessarily got along from the start.

2481
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:43,880
Yeah.

2482
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,680
There was always strong rumors that everything you were hearing on the album was Billy playing

2483
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:48,680
every instrument.

2484
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:49,680
Yeah.

2485
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,680
Yeah.

2486
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:55,520
And that kind of got debunked because their drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, was actually really,

2487
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,520
really good.

2488
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:57,520
Yes.

2489
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:58,520
And you could recognize his playing on the album.

2490
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,280
Oh no, he was a really, really good drummer.

2491
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,320
And then he screwed up big time because they went on the tour for Melancholy.

2492
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:06,960
Yeah, he did screw up big time.

2493
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:11,960
And they just hired a new keyboard player who joined the band because he heard Smashing

2494
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,640
Pumpkins didn't party a lot on the road and he thought that'd be good.

2495
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:20,840
Like two or three dates in, the drummer and the new keyboard player do heroin and the

2496
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,680
keyboard player dies of an overdose.

2497
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:23,680
Yeah.

2498
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:28,000
And the drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, they kicked out of the band for about a year or two years

2499
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,000
and then they let him back in.

2500
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,000
Yeah, they let him back in, which I thought was funny.

2501
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,240
You're going to have to go away for two years.

2502
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,920
Well, actually when they started fading, that's when they brought him back.

2503
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:38,920
Yeah, yeah.

2504
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:47,160
It was like in 2005, they were going to do a reunion, but bass player Darcy Retzky and

2505
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,600
guitar player James Eha were like, yeah, we don't want to.

2506
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:51,600
Yeah.

2507
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,400
So really what was there left?

2508
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:57,240
James Eha, I don't think ever liked Billy Corgan and vice versa.

2509
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:58,240
Yeah.

2510
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,400
And Darcy, I think liked other types of music.

2511
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:07,840
Yeah, she was really an interesting musician in her own right.

2512
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:08,840
Yeah.

2513
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,280
I think that the pumpkins probably bored her.

2514
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,280
Yeah, I think so.

2515
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:14,280
Yeah.

2516
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,440
Let's see, Sex Pistols, never mind the bollocks.

2517
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:23,680
Here's the Sex Pistols in 1977, most impactful punk album of all time, I probably.

2518
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,320
I could, yeah, probably so.

2519
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:33,600
Tracks like Pretty Vacant, Holidays in the Sun, Anarchy in the UK, God Save the Queen.

2520
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:39,520
They had one called EMI, which was a different record label that tried to screw them over.

2521
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,320
And at the end of the song, you could hear Johnny Rotten sneer, EMI, and then he whips

2522
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:49,600
the microphone around to his ass and farts into the microphone.

2523
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,600
That's the Sex Pistols.

2524
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:58,360
Anyway, they became the most censored record in British history after they labeled the

2525
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,600
monarchy as a fascist regime.

2526
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:01,600
Yes.

2527
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:06,240
The God Save the Queen, they were so pissed off about that.

2528
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,640
It coincided with, was it Queen Elizabeth?

2529
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:10,640
Yes.

2530
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:15,440
Her silver jubilee, which is 25 years in power.

2531
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:20,320
So she had this great big silver jubilee thing where she had these giant boats and floats

2532
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,160
and barges and things that floated down the River Thames and everybody would come out

2533
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:28,800
and enjoy and see the queen and honor her reign and everything.

2534
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:34,680
The Sex Pistols rented their own barge and followed behind at the minimum distance allowed

2535
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:41,560
by law, blasting out their own music, which totally ruined the Queen's silver jubilee

2536
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,840
because most people wanted to hear the punks.

2537
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,800
They were a thorn in the British side and they loved it.

2538
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:49,800
They loved it.

2539
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:54,320
Even though the Sex Pistols were way back there, they were cranked up so loud that no

2540
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,760
matter what, you always heard them.

2541
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:04,080
So audio or video of the Queen's silver jubilee, you could hear the Sex Pistols in the background.

2542
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:05,080
That's so cool.

2543
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,080
It was so disrespectful.

2544
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,080
Awesome.

2545
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:15,760
Anyway, they went to the US on their very first and only American tour.

2546
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:23,760
And in 1978, they were doing a show in the United States and at the very end, Johnny

2547
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:28,160
Rotten sneered at the audience, do you ever get the feeling you've been ripped off?

2548
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,840
Which is basically his way of saying, this has all been a joke and a scam and we've got

2549
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,920
all your money and I'm tired of it so I'm quitting now.

2550
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:34,920
And fuck you, I'm stopping.

2551
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,560
So that was the end of the band.

2552
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:43,320
The band's second bassist, Sid Vicious, he wasn't their original bassist, later died

2553
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,560
of a heroin overdose.

2554
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:56,600
His deal was he had a girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, and her basic goal in life was to be the groupie

2555
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,400
of some rock guy.

2556
01:47:58,400 --> 01:47:59,400
So that's what she did.

2557
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,240
She glommed onto Sid Vicious.

2558
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:05,680
She tried it with a couple other guys, didn't work, so she glommed onto Sid and they did

2559
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,680
a lot of heroin together.

2560
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:13,680
And then there was one night in a hotel room where she wound up stabbed to death and he

2561
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:18,240
apparently did it, although he didn't quite remember or wasn't sure what had happened.

2562
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:26,680
So he was facing a trial for her death and he was out on bail and his mother knew that

2563
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:31,280
he wouldn't be able to handle going to jail so she helped him overdose on heroin to kill

2564
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:32,280
him.

2565
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:37,360
Imagine helping your own child die of a drug overdose.

2566
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:38,360
That's the kind of sicko he is.

2567
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,360
What wonder ever happened to Sid?

2568
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:41,360
There you go.

2569
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,360
Yeah.

2570
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:48,600
Anyway, the original members, Johnny Rotten, Steve Jones, and Paul Cook and replacement

2571
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,720
Glenn Matlock.

2572
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:57,760
Steve Jones' career after the Sex Pistols is quite comical because he did not do it.

2573
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,200
You talk about going in a different direction.

2574
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,200
Yeah.

2575
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:08,080
They got together in 96 and did a tour, but that was kind of it for them.

2576
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,080
Okay.

2577
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:10,080
Yeah.

2578
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,080
So that's what I got.

2579
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,080
Okay.

2580
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:16,680
I got one last one and then we've got to go because I have some previous things that I

2581
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:21,360
have to do, mainly veterinary appointments.

2582
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,040
Okay.

2583
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,920
Legendary rock singer, Graham Bonnet, Rainbow, Alcatraz, Michael Shanker.

2584
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:28,920
Oh yeah.

2585
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:33,240
He confirmed that he is working on a new album with a solo band.

2586
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:35,080
He said, we've done three albums.

2587
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:36,920
Can you believe in all that time?

2588
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:38,840
He only has three solo albums.

2589
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:39,840
That's weird.

2590
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:40,840
40 years.

2591
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:44,480
He's always worked with Alcatraz.

2592
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:48,360
After he left Rainbow, he was in Alcatraz before Rainbow, wasn't he?

2593
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,360
Yeah, I believe it was.

2594
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,800
So Michael Shanker group was all he did after that and they didn't do that many albums.

2595
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,400
So this is only going to be his fourth solo album.

2596
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,600
We have three albums, Graham Bonnet band, and they've all charted.

2597
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,400
He said, they did?

2598
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:04,400
Okay.

2599
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:05,720
They've done great actually.

2600
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:11,120
The songs have turned out really well and so we're on our fourth.

2601
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:13,120
We'll be doing our fourth album.

2602
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:17,120
Elsewhere in the chat, Graham hinted at a possible guest singer appearance on the next

2603
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:22,440
Graham Bonnet band saying, I've seen Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson recently.

2604
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:25,920
Bruce actually might be singing on the new album with me.

2605
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:26,920
Interesting.

2606
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:27,920
Okay.

2607
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:38,520
Anyhow, their third solo album, Day Out In Nowhere, came out in May 2022 and it charted

2608
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,960
in England, but of course not here.

2609
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:47,080
Graham is joined by Beth Ami Heavenstone bass.

2610
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:55,080
I believe, isn't she folk?

2611
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,080
It doesn't matter.

2612
01:50:56,080 --> 01:51:09,040
Conrado Pesinato guitar as well as keyboardist, Alessandro Bertoni, Shane Gallas, and then

2613
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,120
he's going to also have appearances by Jeff Loomis.

2614
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:13,840
He was an arch enemy.

2615
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:14,840
Nevermore.

2616
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:16,400
I've heard of Jeff Loomis.

2617
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:24,960
John Tapesta, Mike Potesta, Power Man 5000, John Potesta, the cult in White Zombie, Roy

2618
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,840
Z. Halford, and Bruce Dickinson.

2619
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:28,880
I know Roy Z. pretty well.

2620
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,160
Don Harry, Deep Purple and Rainbow.

2621
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:37,080
So he's going to have some interesting people on his album, especially if Bruce Dickinson

2622
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,080
shows up.

2623
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,080
Yeah.

2624
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:40,080
I mean, singing with him.

2625
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:41,080
Yeah.

2626
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:42,080
Pretty cool.

2627
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,080
So, all right.

2628
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:46,080
We got to shut this show down.

2629
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:47,080
All right.

2630
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:48,080
Thank you for listening, everybody.

2631
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:49,080
Go fuck yourself.

2632
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:50,080
Oh no.

2633
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:55,520
Looks like the show's over kids.

2634
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:59,960
Mark has explosive diarrhea and can't afford a wireless mic.

2635
01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:01,400
Fear not, assholes.

2636
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:21,400
They'll be back invading your ear hole soon.