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And as soon as I tried to hit that note, I went...
I could never recover from that original...
It was over.
It's like, let's just stick to the beatboxing.
Yeah, that's good enough.
All right.
What do you want to go into first?
We've got a bunch of different things we want to do.
The music creeps.
I have got...
Bands that changed their sound and then got better.
I love this. This is a great, great idea.
And we've got bands that had spectacular breakups.
Good.
Super groups that almost happened
and super groups that should never happen.
All right, I got bands that changed their sound and got more popular.
I have a Gram Bond update.
With his album, Gram Bond of Rainbow.
Great voice. He had a share of issues.
But he's been doing solo a long time now.
And this is going to be only out of all the time he's been around
since the late 70s, early 80s, all that.
This is his fourth solo album.
Wow.
You'd think he'd have like 30 by now or 30 different projects.
No, he just doesn't do music that often.
But he's got a lot of great bands.
He doesn't do music that often.
But he's got some interesting guest stars on the next one.
And mix and match your bands of your own super groups.
And this is both.
It's shock and awe.
And it's also...
That would be really interesting.
It's a little bit of both and I'll let you figure out what you want to do.
And then we have an interview with Ace Freely.
And he rates all the other his guitarists.
Oh, that would be good.
Yes, it is.
He's surprisingly so honest, it's good.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
So, all right, you want to go ahead?
All right.
We probably have a few of the same bands that change their sound.
I'm sure, because there's some really, really ones that are just glaringly obvious.
Yeah.
The first one I have is Fleetwood Mac.
Yeah, that's a good one.
They're all mine.
Before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined the band,
they had quite a different sound.
Oh, yeah.
Not really right hits.
I mean, about the biggest hit they had was Got Me Hypnotized.
Yeah, and that really wasn't that big of a hit.
It was fair.
And then Fleetwood Mac wrote Black Magic Woman.
And then Carlos Santana had a hit with Weavis.
They made it famous.
Yeah.
But it's odd.
It's a Fleetwood Mac song.
I know the Green Man Alicia.
I know this is later.
But you know that Judas Priest covered that.
Oh, wow.
And it's really good.
Wow.
Pretty awesome.
Yeah.
Anyway, Black Magic Woman came out in 68, modest hit in the UK.
But it wasn't until 1975 when they brought in Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham and
totally changed their sound.
Then all of a sudden it became enormous.
And then they had two female singers.
Yep.
Just out of nowhere.
Yeah.
Well, before they had Christine McVie, but she didn't do a lot of singing.
That's right.
No, she was on there.
And then Lindsey.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then Bob Welch did a lot of the singing and who else?
Someone else sang in the band.
Yeah.
No, Christine McVie didn't really start singing until really Stevie Nicks got on board.
But anyhow, there's so many changes.
But yeah, that's a classic one right there.
Anyway, so that was number one.
My second one, Genesis.
Because when Peter Gabriel was their front man, their music was quite a bit different.
Yeah, they were a bit different.
We got a lot of the same.
Yeah.
1967 to 75, Peter Gabriel was the front man.
They had the Lamb Lays down on Broadway.
They had a lot of concept albums.
Peter Gabriel was wearing these weird large latex masks on stage to play all these characters.
And then he left to go solo and Phil Collins stepped in to be the singer.
Yeah, because he was already the drummer.
He was already the drummer.
Yeah.
Peter Gabriel was a drummer as well, but he wasn't their drummer.
No, he wasn't their drummer.
I'll put it like this.
Phil Collins made him poppy-sounded and he did really good.
And then Phil Collins did an even better solo.
Yes, he did.
Yeah.
With his weird male pattern baldening and round head.
He was non-threatening.
Yes.
Peter Gabriel was kind of threatening.
He's a guy that you come up and grab him and just kind of pat him on the forehead and go,
you're okay, and he'd be like, hee-hee, I am.
Anyhow.
Yeah, Gabriel was more of a Frog Rock influence, but that faded with Collins.
I respect Gabriel a lot because some of the stuff he did was really interesting.
But I don't think that he was received quite as well by the masses.
No, he didn't really care.
No, he didn't.
He wanted to go out there and express himself and work through all of his mental health
issues.
Yeah.
He's done a lot of things that he's continued to do throughout his career and he's found
an audience for that.
Oh yeah, like Sledgehammer and Game South Frontiers.
Those are two big hits.
Yeah.
But nobody can tell you who did it.
And another one that's not a hit is My Body is a Cage.
Oh yeah.
It's been used on some TV shows.
I mean, that's like a blueprint to some of his insecurities.
You can hear it all through that.
Yeah.
Oh, let's see.
My next band, Journey.
They changed their sound dramatically when Steve Perry joined.
Yeah, it was Fleishman.
Yeah.
But to start, they really weren't.
They didn't really have a singer.
They were a jam band.
They just did a lot of instrumental.
I think it's pretty much Wielding the Sky was all they had with Fleishman.
Yeah.
And people don't even realize that Steve Perry was not the original singer.
You know, how many people...
No, no, the original singer.
Oh, Fleishman, who's that?
Isn't that Yeast?
No, no, it's...
There's that song Anytime, Anytime that you want to play.
Oh, that's right.
Both of them sang on that one.
They traded off.
That was good.
Yeah.
But yeah, Journey's first single was called To Play Some Music, which you won't even recognize
as Journey if you find it.
It didn't even chart.
Okay.
So they're like, uh...
They were putting out Jazz Fusion albums and their label said, you know, we like you
guys, but we're not going to put out any more of these.
You've got to get commercially successful.
So they went out and found a couple of good lead singers and off they went.
And then that was it.
And their original keyboard player, Greg Raleigh, left the band because of that.
He said, I didn't want to be in another commercial band.
I wanted to be in the jam band and not worry about it.
So he left and Jonathan Cain took his place.
Yeah.
Okay.
Next one I have is the Bee Gees.
Remember them?
I didn't even think about them.
Wow.
That's a great example right there.
Yeah.
I remember them growing up because the Bee Gees actually formed, get this, in 1958.
That's how long ago the Bee Gees formed as a band.
The other two are still alive too, aren't they?
Andy Gibb was the only one that passed away.
He passed away pretty young.
See Maurice, I think, is still alive.
There's Barry and Robin.
Maybe there's only one of them still alive, not two.
But Barry, Robin and Maurice were the three Bee Gees you saw in the group.
Yeah.
Andy was their younger brother.
Yeah.
And he was solo.
Yeah.
But he did play with them.
Yeah.
He died young also.
Yeah.
But I remember the Bee Gees from the 60s and it was just straight up pop music.
How Do You Mend a Broken Heart was a big hit.
I remember hearing that on the radio a bunch.
They had an album called New York Mining Disaster 1941, which was a big hit.
Okay.
I guess they went disco, you could say.
Yeah.
They actually broke up in 1970, but reformed later in that year.
And their folk pop sound really wasn't doing it.
So they turned to disco and just blew up.
Oh, jeez.
Their lead singer Barry had one of the most iconic falsettos ever.
And it just totally fit with disco when they recorded Stayin' Alive.
And his brother was backing him up.
Really had a really good falsetto also.
Yeah.
Let's see.
I've also got Iron Maiden, but you probably have that one too.
Yes I do.
Okay.
I'll let you do Iron Maiden.
Okay.
T-Rex.
Remember T-Rex?
Yes I do.
They were the Tyranosaurus Rex and they released four folk albums.
I didn't know that.
Folk music in the late 60s.
That's not on mine.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
They had moderate success.
Mark Bolan was in the band and he was writing poetic lyrics and playing acoustic guitar
and they were kind of associated with the hip movement.
Wow.
Mark Bolan did?
Uh huh.
Interesting.
Yeah.
But by 1970 they were like, yeah, this isn't working.
And Tommy Bolan was his brother.
Did you know that?
That played in Purple?
That figured.
Yeah.
Post-hosted.
Yeah.
Anyway, but Bolan started incorporating the electric guitar and then dialed back on the
poetic lyrics and then they shortened their name to T-Rex and then in 71 they put out
the album Electric Warrior and it was pretty much the beginning of glam rock.
Yeah.
One of the pioneers of glam rock.
Yeah.
And Bang A Gong was their breakout hit and they just got hooch.
Yeah.
If you go to a lot of glam bands, glam bands actually, they actually, them and Mop the
Hoople.
Yeah.
So.
Next I have Pantera, but you probably have them too.
Yes I do.
Okay.
So I'm going to skip ahead to the Black Keys.
Okay.
You've heard of the Black Keys.
Yes.
The band was originally a blues duo.
They put out blues.
They put out eight albums.
The Black Keys?
The Black Keys.
Eight albums of just blues.
The other one I had no idea.
Each one bluesier than the previous.
Wow.
And then they all of a sudden they switched to more blues pop sound and they suddenly
got real big.
So if you go back to some of their previous eight albums, you can hear a little bit of
that poppy influence here and there, but then the, let's see, their recent album Turn Blue,
they really went all in on the poppy stuff.
Wow.
And that's what really struck the chord with everybody, so that's the direction they went.
But they have some just straight up blues albums, a bunch of them.
Okay.
Yeah.
And do you have Ministry?
No, I should have had them on there.
So I put Ministry in here.
The singer Al Jorgensen claims in his autobiography that record label pressure is what led to
the band's early synth pop sound.
Imagine Ministry doing synth pop.
I could never imagine that.
No.
Their single Revenge from their first album, 1993's With Sympathy, is so different.
And then you compare it to Jesus Built My House.
Oh yeah.
And I'm not even sure if I've ever even heard the Revenge one.
Yeah.
You go back and listen to stuff off of Ministry's first album and you're like, oh my god.
Okay.
It's like, what was the label thinking?
The synth pop only hit number 97, but 96's industrial Filth Pig hit number 7.
Filth Pig, yeah.
What a name.
That was so much fun.
That's what I got.
Al Jorgensen flipping off the world.
Do you ever hear him on an interview?
No, baby.
It's a lot of fun.
Oh jeez.
You've got to really keep up.
Yeah.
So that was all I got.
Oh okay.
All right.
Well, at first I've got Pan, Tara, and that is obvious.
Anyone that knows music that knows hard rock music is they were a glam band in the 80's.
I know the band's Phil Insamo and was it Rex Brown?
Definitely had a different singer, but I can't.
I think they might have still had the Abbott Brothers.
Yeah, I think the bass player might have been different.
I think Rex Brown came later and then Phil Insamo was the last piece of it and then they
became what would you call a power rock, power heavy rock band.
I don't call them heavy metal.
I don't consider them heavy metal.
Not really, no.
They're kind of like a power rock and they just exploded on the scene and went maybe
early 90's, something like that.
Yeah, early 90's.
In 84 they released an album called Metal Magic.
Yeah, and it was horrible.
But they pivoted to heavy metal in the early 90's.
What was...
Yeah, Dimebag Darrell was Diamond Darrell.
Diamond Darrell, that's right.
In the glam area, he's like, fuck it, I'm Dimebag.
Yeah, he became Dimebag.
Yeah, and after hearing that glam album I know why they decided to change their sound
and get a different singer.
Yeah, smart move, very smart move.
Next one I have and I'm surprised you didn't have it is Pink Floyd.
Oh yeah.
That would have been a good one.
Yeah, Pink Floyd and I mean from Sid Barrett to...
I mean actually, just progressing through the different members and Roger Waters and
David Gilmore, Pink Floyd became a completely different band.
The early stuff was kind of light, fluffy, pop, psychedelic.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Not really into it, but then when Gilmore got more into it, the rest of the band was
like, oh yeah, here we go.
Gilmore's such a good blues guy.
Yeah.
And actually, they're named after a blues singer.
Yeah.
But a lot of people don't realize that.
Which is odd because their first albums weren't really all that blues.
They weren't blues.
They became blues later with Gilmore when Gilmore got there and his note bending and
all that.
Yeah, his tone is so gorgeous.
Oh, I know.
And I still say, even with the credit he gets, he does not get enough credit.
Yeah.
And I think he's just one of the best guitarists ever, just people don't realize it.
The feeling and the tone that he could come up with that nobody else could.
Yeah.
I mean.
He's in creativity.
I mean, I could go on hours about how good that guy is.
And he's one of these people that you don't need lyrics.
You know what the song's about by how he's playing.
So anyhow, all right.
Next one is Iron Maiden.
Paul Diano was a straightforward, hard, heavy singer.
He's kind of like a power singer.
Then Bruce Dickinson came aboard and everybody thought he was going to be the head of the
band because people that were familiar with Dickinson was he was more of a theatrical
opera guy.
And they're like, this is never going to work.
But boy, he did it.
Oh, jeez.
Yeah.
They became one of the biggest bands ever in the world for all, I mean, of all time.
Bruce Dickinson brought a different aspect to the music that no one else could figure
out.
They didn't know why.
And then when Blaise Bailey came in, Bruce Dickinson quit to go fly airplanes for British
Airways.
This is after he's a top 10 fencer.
And after he brewed his own beer, autobiography, and probably pretty much a comedian, I did
see his stand ups.
Renaissance man is what they call those guys.
Yeah.
The guy that could do everything.
He would go fly for British Airways and they brought in Blaise Bailey and he sucked.
He was horrible.
But a big part of their sound, Bruce Dickinson helped with the writing and he does that on
his solo band too.
Yeah.
The solo band is really interesting because he takes blues guys, jazz guys, metal guys,
he throws them all together.
And I actually enjoy his solo stuff as much as Iron Maid because he is just so good at
this.
And it's awesome when you get someone who's got so much in the tank that he can do his
band stuff and his solo stuff and they're both really good and they don't sound exactly
the same.
No, no.
Because he's just that creative.
Yeah, he's that creative.
And this is what he went for too.
When he went solo, he wanted to do different music and that's what he did.
A lot of people go solo, they end up sounding like a cheap version of where they left.
Yeah.
So anyhow, Iron Maiden classic.
Next one, Genesis.
You already covered that.
I mean, I don't know what else to say.
I mean, Peter Gabriel was completely different than Phil Collins.
Phil Collins was more poppy.
I mean, just listening to the first couple albums and listened to it when Collins came
along.
Yeah.
Vastly different.
Yeah, vastly different.
Deep Purple.
Yeah.
A lot of people don't realize it, but yeah.
When they had Evans, Mike Evans or something like that.
Sounds right.
Yeah, okay.
As a lead singer, think of like Hush and let's see, what else was on there?
They were more of a psychedelic band.
Yeah.
They were kind of an odd psychedelic band with really odd kind of...
They had a hit with Hush and let's see, what was...
It was more melodic too.
They didn't have the organ following the guitar.
Yeah.
Then when Ian Gillan came aboard, they really developed their sound because he could keep
up with them with the voice.
This is where you had John Lord and Richie Blackmore basically playing the same.
Yeah.
It gave an element to the sound that you couldn't get anywhere else.
If you heard them two playing in tandem, any song, you go, oh my God, that's Deep Purple.
Yeah.
It was the same tone they created between the two of them.
So Deep Purple is a great example, only a lot of people don't realize that Hush was
not that big of a hit.
A lot of people think it's another band.
They don't know it's Deep Purple.
That's true.
It kind of sounds a little like Uriah Heap.
A lot of people think it's Uriah Heap.
A little like Sugar Loaf.
Yeah.
But they needed Ian Gillan to actually differentiate themselves.
The next one is Judas Priest.
Yeah.
Judas Priest came out and they were not that heavy, crunchy band that they were at first.
They had a different guitarist who went to prison, I believe.
So anyhow, I forgot his name, but when they got KK and Tipton, they developed that sound
and then Rob Halford just cemented it with his fucking banshee voice.
Yeah, a lot of times it's getting that right combination of guitar players.
Yeah.
It really kind of gives the band its solid sound.
Well, Tipton and KK, you couldn't really tell who was doing the solo.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just like they panned so much and they were so good in concert together.
I mean, they're just like, yeah, dynamic.
It's like Lynyrd Skynyrd.
When Ed King joined the band, see, they had different guitars.
One guitar player played mostly a Les Paul.
Ed King played mostly a Strat and another guy played mostly a Firebird.
So that's how you could kind of tell them apart on the album is because they each played
their own different instrument.
But eventually, I mean, everyone thought Ed King really cemented the sound.
But after a few albums, he was like, man, I'm tired of this.
And he left and that was kind of considered a almost breakup of Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Yeah, and they had a lot of other unfortunate events going on.
And now I don't even know who was in the band when they retired.
I mean, a couple of cousins maybe.
I know, let's see, Johnny Van Zandt is the one that died and then Ronnie Van Zandt is
his cousin that took his spot.
People that don't know they're going to Iowa, four of them were in a plane and they all
died.
They perished.
They were in a plane wreck.
And then again, it was sheeping out on a crap airplane on a crap airplane.
All right.
Next one would be where was I?
ACDC.
Yes.
ACDC was so bluesy and kind of what do you call it?
Their first album kind of a bluesy bar band.
Yeah, kind of a bluesy bar band.
Their first singer, I forgot his name.
Then Bon Scott kind of cemented it.
He's kind of like, I don't know, just kind of almost like a weird crooner.
Yeah, he kind of had that nasally whiny voice that I always associated with a brat.
Yes.
Like, you know, badly behaved, the kid who runs around your neighborhood causing all
sorts of trouble.
Yes.
That's kind of what his voice reminded me of, which is perfect for the music.
Yeah.
And then when you listen to Brian Johnson, let's say for those about the rock or flick
of the switch, I mean, back in black too, they're a completely different band.
They were Power Rock that was made for radio.
Yeah.
It was really odd that when Brian Johnson joined the band, they were pretty much just
got the push over the top from Bon Scott's last album with him, Highway to Hell.
Yeah, Highway to Hell, yeah.
And he wrote, he helped write a lot of the songs.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah, but when they came back with Brian Johnson, they already had the sound of one of the biggest
rock acts on the planet.
Yeah.
Whereas with Bon Scott, they didn't quite have that sound.
They could have found it.
I'm sure they would have found it.
And also their producer, they got Mutlange.
Yeah.
Yeah, they got Mutlange too.
But Bon Scott actually, he helped them more than people thought.
Yeah.
I mean, not only signifying them as a really hard, dirty band, but also his writing style
too.
Yeah.
I don't think Brian Johnson does any writing, but they wanted Mark Starachi from Crocus
and he turned it down.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't know if he thought his band was going to be bigger or if he just didn't want
to do that, but anyhow-
Boy, this calculation there, wasn't it?
Yes.
Yeah.
So, all right.
So let's see.
The next one would be Fleetwood Mac.
Yeah.
We already talked about that.
I mean, yeah, there's various inclinations of them.
Listen to the first album and listen to like, I don't know, the seventh, you'll see.
Go ahead.
What now?
No, it's that.
Oh, okay.
It was just popping.
This next one, a lot of people wouldn't have caught it.
Ronnie James Dio.
Oh, wow.
His first band, Dio and the Crocus, was a duet band.
Wow.
Listen to it sometime.
It's all over the internet.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
Ronnie James Dio singing duet.
He did it really well.
I got to hear this.
It's good.
It's really good.
It's quality music, but...
How often do you want to sit down and listen to a duet album?
You don't.
It's just odd that that was his first type of music that he played because you would
have thought that guy was just like a power all the time.
Yeah.
No, he harmonized very well with the rest of them.
The next one, Death Leopard.
Oh, yeah.
They definitely changed their sound.
They have to for various reasons.
I mean, different guitarists, record label.
They also did focus panels.
They had all kinds of stuff for why they had to change the sound.
They were kind of like a band that was constantly trying to figure out what people liked and
was trying to get it to them.
They didn't have a vision of what they wanted to be.
They were still kind of figuring it out.
At first, with Rick Allen losing his arm, they changed their sound considerably.
But On Through the Night was so different than Pyromania, too.
Yeah, absolutely.
Pyromania was...
And then again, that is a producer, too.
That was Mutlange also, I believe.
Yeah, I think from my perspective, Rick Allen, the drummer, when he had both his arms, he
sounded to me somewhat like Ainsley Dunbar, another good British drummer who was in a
lot of influential bands.
That would probably be a pretty good listen to Pyromania.
Yeah.
Because Ainsley Dunbar was in Journey.
He was in Whitesnake.
He was in Jefferson Airplane, Starship.
Yeah.
People don't know he's in Whitesnake, but he was in there at first with John Sykes, who
was such a good guitarist.
Yeah.
On that video, you see Tommy Aldridge back there playing the drums, but he's faking a
long-danged lead start.
Yes.
Which is what David Grohl did on some of those Nirvana songs, because it was a different
drummer who recorded the track, but Dave had to go up there and fake it during the music
video.
Well, Tommy Aldridge always faked it in Blizzard of Oz, too.
The original drummer, he just passed away.
I forgot his name.
Anyhow, he was doing his music, faking it, too, with Blizzard of Oz.
And the thing is, Aldridge is a great drummer.
Yeah, he really is.
But he did very well on faking other people's music.
Yeah.
All right.
Next one would be Guns N' Roses.
Yes.
And I'm not even talking about the difference between Use Your Illusion and, well, F**k,
Appetite for Destruction.
I'm talking about before that, they had Suicide, Life Like a Suicide, and then Hollywood Rose,
the one before that.
Their sound was completely different, more commercial, more lighter.
Yeah, it really was.
They really needed Slash's riffs to really cement him.
And once they got Slash and they didn't have Tracy Guns anymore, Tracy Guns is a great
guitarist, but not for that type of a bluesy sound that they went into.
True, true.
And their sound changed a little bit when they fired the drummer Stephen Adler and brought
in Matt Sorem.
I like the vocal.
Their songwriting kind of changed a little bit, too.
But yeah, I like Stephen Adler pretty well.
I did, too.
Stephen Adler was very good at what he did.
And Matt Sorem was more of a power kind of timing guy.
Yeah, he was very smooth and clean and professional.
He's like a well-oiled machine when you really want some guy who's back there sweating and
working with everybody.
But Matt Sorem, he kind of seems a little sterile.
Yeah, but they loved him.
The Colt toured with Guns N' Roses.
And if you really want to see an influence on someone, look at Ian Asbury and then look
at Axl Rose.
Yes.
Not the way they sing.
Their stage presence, their actions, what they wear.
Yeah.
I'm not going to say copy, but I'm going to say heavily influenced.
And then they steal Matt Sorem and the Colt hates him.
Yes.
You know when Axl does that little side to side sway thing, he copied that directly,
I mean directly from Davy Jones of the Monkeys.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And he'll tell you.
He's like, yeah, of course I did.
I thought it was the coolest thing I ever saw when I was a kid.
And he learned how to do it.
Well, and he also, he had missed Ian Asbury, too.
Yeah.
He said, yeah.
He goes, that guy was one of my idols.
He goes, yeah, I probably look, not look specifically, but his look and his style is probably a lot
like his, which it is.
But his singing is completely different.
Oh yeah.
So.
All right.
Next one is the Metallica.
Metallica.
Metallica had to change their sound because of the death of their bassist.
Cliff Burton, to me, was such a good songwriter with the band that after he passed away, you
could see the albums dwindling down to where they were just kind of really average music.
To me, when before they were above average, they were different.
You know, there's like all these other bands.
And then over here was Metallica.
It's like, wow, what are they doing?
They got a really, really fast rhythm, but they're actually incorporating different types
of classic guitar, but it's electric.
They had big buildups.
They had middles.
They had incredible, incredible, I guess it would be bars.
The interplay between the guitar players.
They wrote things that sounded really good with the four of them playing together.
Some things you can hear is like, oh, this sounds like this song was written on piano
and they just kind of made up parts for the other instruments.
But Metallica was writing stuff.
You could tell it was written for exactly how they were going to play it on stage.
Oh yeah.
So that's where Puppets is the song.
The rhythm break is the solo, which is a buildup to the second part of the song.
It's actually quite brilliant.
So then you'll listen to And Justice.
They have the hit one.
And then they have a couple of other songs that were good, but they were not quite as
intricate and in the pieces.
It was kind of like if Russ started trying to play Motley Crue.
So you progress to Lowe and then on down to St. Anger.
And you see how that munitionship with Jason Newstead.
Yeah, Jason Newstead was great, but he was not Cliff Burton.
And as James Hetfield said, no matter who they had hired to replace Cliff Burton, the
band was going to hate him because they were so angry that Cliff Burton died.
Jason Newstead fucking hates him.
He can't stand him.
They were so mean to him for no reason.
And they said, James Hetfield said, the fact that Jason Newstead was a fan, we hated that.
So we tried to do everything to drive the fan boy out of him.
And he said, unfortunately, Newstead was the kind of guy who would take it for far too
long.
If he had stood up to us and pushed back, it probably would have gone better.
Well, he came from Flotsam and Jetsam to Metallica.
He's going to keep his mouth shut.
But it turns out that he fucking hated him anyhow.
He ended up hating him.
He won't talk to him.
Yeah, they were a really horrible time in his life, which was simultaneously a really
great time in his life.
And that's really conflicting.
Well, they're talking about redoing Amjustus because they took out all the bass on him.
Because they were mad that Cliff was dead.
They wanted to kill the bus driver.
The bus driver had to leave.
He had to leave and get way away from him because he thought they were going to kill
him.
And I heard Metallica described as, once they got rid of Dave Mustaine and brought in Kirk
Hammett, they were on their way.
And they were ramped up.
And then Cliff Burton died.
And they took all that energy that they had and then all the rage over Cliff Burton dying
and wrote a bunch of good albums with that.
And then that wore off.
And they've been putting out crap ever since.
I kind of agree with that.
They channeled their rage about Cliff Burton into a bunch of good albums and then they
were just kind of done.
And also Cliff's style of writing too was really good too.
He had a big influence.
Very heavy style.
Very dark and intricate.
I know people go, he's a bassist.
No, he is a guitarist.
He's a guitarist, but he preferred to play bass.
And you can influence the song very much on how you play the bass.
That's why he did that.
I mean listen to Master of Puppets, Kill em All, and Justice, Ride the Lightning is actually
one of the best examples.
Ride the Lightning, his bass work on that is insane.
Like Call to Cthulhu, it took me 10 years to realize that it had no lyrics.
That's a song.
Who was I going to talk about?
I'm not sure.
I'll go ahead and open it again.
Then finally, the many many faces of Megadeth.
Oh yeah.
Geez, it just depended on who was in the band.
Yeah, they changed all over the place.
Oh yeah, I mean it still had overall Megadeth all over it.
They had their stamp.
But the music was completely different between guitarists and bassists.
And I think in a way Mustaine changes his writing style based on how he feels about
the world at the moment.
No, that's true.
So there's some variety there.
He has some very angry albums.
He has some dark albums, really dark, where he took on Devil Worship in, heavy drugs.
He got into the inculc really bad like I said.
There's stuff like he says he wishes he could take back but he never can.
He has really dark moments in his life and you can see it through some of the albums
that he did.
And then there's a cynical side of him that you can see.
Like P. Sells who's buying, you know, he's talking about endless wars, war for profit.
Symphony of Destruction.
That's a really good one.
Vic Rattlebone is one.
Vic's Too Eddie is the best mascot ever.
He's an awesome mascot.
Oh yeah, I've always loved Vic Rattlebone.
Him and Eddie were the two best.
Also cool name, Vic Rattlebone.
You can't get better than that.
There's another band, totally different style, called the Rippingtons.
And they put a cat on their album, it's called Jazz Cat.
Jazz Cat, yeah.
It's always a stylized drawing of a cat that doesn't quite look like a normal real cat.
He's kind of a character.
But Jazz Cat's always on the album's cover somewhere.
And it's cool because you see it, people that know, know.
That's it.
If you know, you know.
Yeah.
Okay, alright, let's go on to something else.
Alright.
I've got super groups that almost happened.
Super groups that should never have happened.
Bands that broke up at the height of their career and bands that broke up on stage.
That's fun too.
You know what, I used to know some of them.
It's going to be interesting to hear that again.
Alright, so which would you like me to start with?
Bands that broke up on stage.
Alright, bands that broke up on stage.
Here we go.
Jane's Addiction.
Oh yeah!
The Fist Fight.
Yeah, anyhow.
It's interesting to watch, if you watch the footage again, the two roadies or whatever
position they held.
I spelled Tony with an E. I'm an idiot.
The two guys that came out on stage to grab Perry Pearl and take him off, they were punching
him too.
Yeah!
They were taking the opportunity to get some licks in because they couldn't stand him either.
You can find this on the internet.
Now, I'm sure the whole thing was because Perry Pearl was wasted and he kept getting
wasted.
They hated him, yeah.
And Perry Pearl sort of half way apologized later saying, yeah, I understand that it's
hard to deal with me when I'm stoned.
I also read some stuff about like he was like, the rest of the band wanted sexual advances.
I don't know if that's true or not.
Yeah, I've heard of that too.
He gets stoned and get really horny and then start hitting on everybody.
Yeah, and they're like, no, uh-uh.
I know a guy who is not a rock and roller who when he gets drunk, he will find all of
the straight guys in the room and start hitting on them.
Okay!
Apparently, he was over at a friend's house and he was starting to hitting on his friend's
sons and he's like, all right, that's it.
You gotta go.
Time out!
Oh, God.
That's the definition of a creep.
Yes.
All right.
The Replacements.
You ever heard of the Replacements?
Oh, yeah.
They broke up on stage.
They were doing a final show and they were doing the encore and when they came out to
do the encore, they all started switching instruments and everybody playing each other's
instrument which they couldn't play very well.
And then the bass player sneered at the crown, this is the last fucking time you're gonna
hear this fucking song so enjoy it.
And part way through the song, they all started leaving the stage and just handed their instruments
to the roadies and the stage crew and they finished the song.
Wow!
So that was how the Replacements ended their career.
Kaboom!
I love that.
Last fucking time you're gonna hear this song.
They didn't even play it all the way through.
You ever heard of the Jesus and Mary Chain?
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Two of the three members are brothers Jim and William Reed.
On their final show, Jim and William were about 15 minutes into the set and were having
an argument on stage while they were trying to play and eventually they quit playing and
just argued and then brother William is like, screw it, and he just walked off the stage
and never came back.
So their final concert was about 15 minutes of arguing.
That would be kind of cool to be at though.
That would be.
It's like how was the concert?
Well, it was really good for 15 minutes.
Next we have the Everly Brothers.
You remember the Everly Brothers?
Yes, I do know a little bit about them.
Wake Up Little Suzy.
Yep.
Okay, Phil and Don Everly were the Everly Brothers.
Their daughter is the one that married Axl Rose.
That's right.
They had a horrible, horrible breakup which so many songs were written about on Use Your
Illusions, some really dark songs.
Anyhow, go ahead.
Was she the one that he wrote Sweet Child of Mine about?
Yes, Erin Everly.
Anyway, 1973.
He also wrote Coma about her too.
Anyhow, go ahead.
In 1973, they went on stage to do a show.
Don Everly was drunk off his ass.
He went on stage drunk.
Phil was so pissed about it that part way through the set he just smashed his guitar
against the stage and walked off.
And they've never performed again.
That's it, huh?
It's like, you're a drunk ass on the stage, I ain't playing.
It does shit.
You can't write it.
Yes.
Let's see.
This one was practically on stage.
You remember the band Blind Faith?
Yeah.
Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood, Ginger Baker.
Ginger Baker, yeah.
I can't remember who else.
Anyway, so they did one album.
It was pretty successful.
They went out on the tour with Blind Faith as the headliner and Delaney and Bonnie as
one of the opening acts.
Right from the beginning, Clapton was just in cest with Delaney and Bonnie.
And he started walking out onto the stage every time during their opening set and just
picking up percussion and started playing along.
And eventually he went out and started singing with them, playing guitar with them.
He eventually started doing the whole sets with Delaney and Bonnie.
And then when it was time for his own band, Blind Faith, to come on, sometimes he'd blow
it off.
He was like, eh.
He let Steve Winwood play guitar.
And then he started lobbying for Delaney and Bonnie to be the headliner instead of his
own band, Blind Faith.
So by the time the tour was over, everybody was so sick of Eric Clapton.
They're like, screw you.
Bye.
We're all.
And then the label was like, hell yeah, we're putting out more albums.
And the musicians were like, yeah, not with this guy.
It's funny, he wore out his welcome on a lot of bands.
He did.
The Yardbirds.
Oh, yeah.
Derrick and the Dominoes.
Derrick and the Dominoes, yeah.
So anyway, that was almost on stage.
So that's the ones I got for breaking up on stage.
Evidently, he's kind of a miserable guy.
Yeah, apparently.
He's an immigrant-hating racist guy.
He's a racist.
He's a racist kind of guy.
He played guitar like hell, but if you're not a white guy, he doesn't want you in his
country apparently.
His guitar is so interesting though, if you really listen to it, because it's kind of
unexplainable how he does some things.
But he's an idiot.
Do you know how he got his nickname Slowhand?
He was on stage playing, I forget what the song was, and he broke a guitar string.
And the stage tech brought him out another string, and he changed the guitar string himself
and tuned it up to pitch and never missed a note.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's how he got his nickname Slowhand.
I mean, I knew the guy.
He gets credit.
He gets a lot of credit, but nowadays he doesn't because the sound has changed so much.
People don't understand what he did with some of that stuff and the amazing stuff that he
did.
Yeah, the technology was so much less back then too.
You had to do with your hands and your feel.
Yeah, the over...
Let me see.
You're more of a musician a lot more than I am, but the overdubbing of how he's going
from he'll keep one note going and then go to another one and then go to a chord at the
same progression.
Yeah.
Yeah, some of that stuff.
It's kind of unexplainable how he does it.
He has some technique where, okay, he hits the E maybe, okay, and then he comes down
and he hits a note behind it and then he brings his other hand up.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's crazy.
That's why I thought they called him Slowhand because he was fast like that.
Yeah.
Okay, anyhow.
Yeah, he's very good at knowing.
You'll take your E chord like they're saying.
There's an open E which you play at the end of the neck, but there are various inversions
of that E chord you can play all over the neck.
Yeah, yeah, and he would do that and then he would come down and I don't know how to
describe it.
Yeah.
Would it be like maybe a minor chord that he would hit with a couple of fingers?
Or you play some passing notes or suspended notes?
It could be suspended notes too.
I got to look at it a little bit better, but man, I was just like, I'm sitting there and
I forgot who was playing.
I was watching his finger work so much.
He'll never get the amount of credit he will because the times have changed.
Yeah.
He was like the scales, the scales.
Yeah.
He never did scales, but he was...
Anyhow, you know what?
I could go on all day.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Anyway, that was the one.
I've got the ones that broke up at the height of their career.
Okay.
First one I got is The Beatles.
Yeah.
That's pretty obvious one.
Yeah.
Next on the list is The Smiths.
They were a very influential band, but basically they broke up right before their first album
was released.
So the album came out and they were like, wow, The Smiths.
I was like, yeah, they already broke up.
What was his name that came out with a career after that and did really well?
I'm blanking on the guys.
It was The Singer.
Yeah.
Robert...
Was it Robert Smith?
From The Cure?
I think it was.
Yeah.
He went to The Cure.
Maybe that was him.
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah.
He went to The Cure and then he was Robert Smith.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then he was The Sons.
Yeah.
Remember the song What's Up?
Yeah.
They did really well with that, but they're gone.
Yeah.
They had pretty much decided to break up while they were making that album because that wasn't
their first.
No, I never.
They've been at it for a while and they're like, this just really isn't working.
And then they made the album and the record label wanted a certain type of sound and production
value on the album that the band just hates.
To this day, they say, can't stand the way that album sounds.
That's not our sound.
Yeah.
It was created for us by the engineer at the behest of the label.
But they went out and did the tour for that album.
And then they tried a little bit, maybe a few reunions here and there.
But basically once their breakthrough album came out, they're like, yeah, we're done.
Your power supply's blinking red.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've used up my battery, but the laptop still has the full battery.
It eats out of the battery first.
Oh, okay.
And then it stores it on your computer.
So we still have the internal battery.
Okay, good.
Thanks for noticing, man.
Yeah.
Well, I know you're having problems with your saying something about it drained at all.
So anyhow, okay, that's cool.
All right.
10,000 maniacs.
Yeah.
They got real big in pop.
Yeah.
Natalie Merchant decided to go solo right after the band got huge.
And she did okay.
She did really well.
She had a different sound.
She had that 90s sound really down, down really well.
Yeah.
And it really is kind of like something she probably was smart to do.
Yeah.
So she had a better career solo than she would have with 10,000 maniacs.
Yeah, because she had that 90s sound down so well.
Yeah.
Wham!
George Michael.
Yeah.
He left at the height of Wham's career popularity.
And he had a huge career too.
Yeah, he did.
Especially in bathrooms.
Poor guy.
Sorry, I always got to get that dig in, don't I?
Yes.
Let's see.
What a fucked up guy though.
I mean, really.
Yeah.
Such a great musician.
Did you ever hear him in Queen or What's Left of Queen?
Yes.
Yeah.
Really good.
I had no idea he had that high of a range of voice.
Because in Wham and even his stuff, solo stuff.
He didn't really use that range.
No, he didn't.
Yeah.
Then you hear him in Queen.
That guy's not Freddie Mercury.
But if you're going to replace Freddie Mercury with somebody, it would be someone like him.
They say that Adam Lambert's like that too, but I haven't heard him.
I haven't either.
Anyhow.
Pink Floyd.
Yeah.
After The Wall came out, that was pretty much it for him.
They put out...
They did get back various times, but yeah.
They put out the final cut, but that was just kind of a mishmash of Roger Waters stuff.
Then they put out Momentary Lapse of Reason, which was supposed to be...
The Mission Bell.
Yeah, that was their final.
Yeah, okay.
Momentary Lapse of Reason was supposed to be David Gilmore's first solo album.
Yeah, and it was really good.
It was, yeah.
And you could tell it's David Gilmore more than anything else.
But I mean, it was still good.
I mean, Learning to Fly is a classic.
There's a couple other songs on there.
I forgot what they were, but they're really good.
Dogs of War was really good.
Dogs of War.
Yeah.
The Pink Floyd's drummer, Nick Mason, had pretty much stopped playing.
So when that album came up, he's like, I'm not in any kind of physical shape to do the
album.
So they hired a different drummer.
And Nick Mason came and did a little percussion, and then he did some background vocals.
Like on Learning to Fly, you hear the conversation with the pilot in the tower.
That's Nick Mason.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Because he's a pilot.
Oh, okay.
So he provided that.
It was an actual recording of him actually getting ready to take off and fly somewhere.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So that was his contribution.
Talking Heads.
Yeah.
He had a big, big success, big success.
And then he just went, and you never heard from him again.
No.
Yeah.
I think their last album that I got from them was Naked.
It had Nothing But Flowers.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I didn't care for that one too well.
It was a really different album.
There's some really amazing songs on it, but some of them were like, I don't think I want
to listen to this one again.
I think I remember the, I don't think I want to listen to it, because I'd have to hear
it again.
But anyhow.
Dire Straits.
They came, they did the Brothers In Arms album, which was enormous.
I blame the lead guitarist's name.
Absolutely.
Mark Knopfler, that's not a good name.
That's what ruined them.
But no, after the, when the Brothers In Arms became huge and they went to do the tour,
Mark Knopfler said, you know what?
I didn't ever want to be in a band this big.
I don't like this.
And he broke the band.
Oh, I forgot about that.
Yeah.
And he did that with the MTV hit.
And then they reunited for the album On Every Street, which is also really good, which also
was huge and had a massive tour.
And after that, he's like, that's it.
I'm so tired of being a rock star.
I'm never doing this again.
He does solo now though.
Yeah.
And he's never going to put together a band and do a big tour.
Well, he's got his wish with Mark Knopfler.
He's got his wish.
Anyhow, a very underrated guitarist.
He'll never get the credit he deserves.
Especially with rhythm.
Definitely.
His choices to play is always so good.
Oh, yeah.
White Zombie had a massive hit and then Rob Zombie went solo.
And Rob Zombie got bigger.
That was it for White Zombie.
And then he was going to quit music and just do movies.
Films.
Yeah, films.
But he didn't make as much money saying he'd go back to music.
Stan Jolene, dude.
Yep, yeah, he did.
He went back in.
Max Pistols broke up at the height of their...
Yeah, they kind of had to.
Yeah, because everyone kind of figured out what the scam was.
Yeah.
Yep.
R.E.M.
They had a deal within the band that if anyone wanted to quit, then they would all just quit
because they didn't want to continue without each other.
So at one point the drummer said, yeah, I want to quit now.
And the rest of the band's like, oh, but we're not really ready to quit.
Michael Sky, he was kind of a miserable guy.
Yeah.
So the drummer's like, well, okay, I'll hang on if you really want me to.
So they hung on a little longer and they're like, yeah, this isn't working.
And they all just blew up.
Yeah.
And also, I guess he doesn't have AIDS then.
Remember the rumor was he was really skinny and people said they're broke up because he's
about dead of AIDS.
Yeah, I remember that.
Well, he's still alive.
Yeah.
I guess that was bullshit.
There was a brief period of time where the press was speculating about the singer's sexuality
and then they dropped it.
But the singer himself kept bringing it up and bringing it up.
Yeah, he realized what a gimmick it was.
And then eventually he's like, okay, I'm going to finally come out and tell y'all.
And everyone's like, yeah, we really don't care.
Yeah.
To this day, I still don't know what his sexuality is and I don't care.
It just doesn't matter.
I think he's straight.
I really think he's straight, but he kind of likes to act a little bit different than
that.
But anyhow, it doesn't matter.
Who cares?
Yeah.
So I'll go through a few more.
Police, they broke up pretty much.
Could have kept going.
Cream.
Cream, yeah.
It was Soundgarden.
Yes.
They left a lot of money on the table there.
Yeah, I mean, down on the upside was different.
It still did well though.
It did.
Their apex was super unknown though.
I mean, that album was one of the best albums of the century.
The Eagles broke up right after their biggest successes.
ABBA, a band called The Move had a hit with California Man, went to number seven in the
UK and then broke up and became ELO.
Oh, okay.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah, that is weird.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
Okay.
Derek and the Dominoes broke up because Eric Clapton started that project because he was
in love with George Harrison's wife, Patti Boyd.
Who he eventually married?
Yeah.
He wrote the song, Layla, as a love song to her and then everyone figured out that he
was Derek and he's like, oh, okay, I'm not fooling anyone.
He just broke the band up.
Yep.
And he eventually got Patti.
Yeah.
Yep.
Which is weird because him and George Harrison were such good friends.
Yeah, and they were made friends apparently.
I guess.
And then Boston, after the third album, they just kind of went nowhere.
Yeah.
Well, a lot of that was a record deal that they refused to do another album until they
had to because they were getting ripped off so bad.
They didn't have to.
They're all professionals.
They're like, fuck you guys.
We're not doing it.
And Tom Scholes really is the main driving force and he said he was kind of done.
He was kind of done.
Nobody else could do anything without him.
No.
Oasis, Black Crows.
Yep.
Billy Squire.
Remember that bad video?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That killed his career.
Emotions in motion.
Yes.
Well, the thing is, he was, wasn't he always bisexual?
That's the rumor.
I remember a DJ from KY102 came over and talked to my radio and TV production class.
I think that's Joe McCabe.
Yeah, I think it was Joe McCabe.
He said, it's great interviewing rock stars.
He said, the bummer is the only time a rock star has come over and interviewed and hit
on me and it was Billy Squire.
Well, Billy Squire did that big thing and he was known as a rocker until then.
Yeah.
When he did all this art in motion stuff, it didn't hit.
People were like, no, no, no.
This is the Billy Squire we like.
Yeah.
Ruined him.
Creedence Clearwater Revival.
CCR.
They broke up because they were getting, like Boss said, getting screwed by the record company.
So John Fogart, he said, anything we write and record is going to belong to them and
make them money and not us.
So I'm just going to quit writing and recording.
And he waited until the contract expired and then he started recording.
Yeah.
You know what, man?
If you're mad enough, I guess you'll do that, right?
Yeah.
The Verve.
Remember the Verve?
Yeah, I do.
They had Bittersweet Symphony.
Yeah, yeah.
Not held responsible.
Oh, that was the Verve Pipe.
Oh, that's the Verve Pipe.
Okay.
Who was the Verve?
This was Bittersweet Symphony.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
They ripped off the Rolling Stones songs the last time.
Yeah.
And when they got caught, the band just basically busted up because that's all they had going
for them was that one plagiarized song.
That was it.
There.
Yep.
Remember the Power Station.
Yes.
They were put together for...
Oh, go ahead.
Yeah, I was going to say Robert Palmer was the lead singer.
They wanted to do another...
The band, the Power Station, had just locked in a headlining tour with some opening acts
and they're getting ready to go.
And Robert Palmer was like, yeah, I feel like doing another solo album, so bye.
At the last second, the Power Station pulled in someone else to fill Robert Palmer's spot,
but the audience didn't want him.
They wanted Robert Palmer.
They were on it.
So the whole thing fell apart and it's because Palmer wanted to do another solo album right
then.
Yep.
And they were put together.
The whole band was put together by a record company, I believe.
Yeah.
They were put together to write hits.
Yes.
That's the name Power Station.
Simon and Garfunkel, pretty much after 1970 and their big hit, Bridge Over Troubled Waters,
they just pretty much was downhill from then.
They did nothing after that, you're right.
It was pretty much done.
Garfunkel became kind of a recluse for a while.
Yep.
Or as we used to call them, Seymour and Garwinkle.
Yeah.
Sort of you could say the original Alice Cooper band because they'd had a massive hit with
Schools Out, another massive hit with Billion Dollar Babies, a mediocre reception to Muscle
of Love.
Even though that album was so good.
Yeah.
It had some great songs on it, but it just didn't sound like Alice Cooper very much.
Bob Ezrin refused to produce it.
Yeah.
But then Alice Cooper went solo and never looked back.
Yeah.
And the original Cooper band, they tried again under the name Billion Dollar Babies and failed
other labels.
Failed.
Yeah.
Sad.
Jay Giles Band.
They had that monster success with Freeze Frame, Centerfold, Love Stinks.
Yeah.
And then boom, it just all went to crap.
They fired their lead singer.
Hey.
And everybody started hating on him for that.
He had a very distinct voice too, so.
Yeah.
Roxy Music had their biggest success with Avalon.
Uh-huh.
Busted up right away again.
Wow.
Just right after that.
Brian Ferry wanted to go solo.
Apparently.
Kind of like Robert Palmer.
Yeah.
You could say Black Sabbath.
Yes.
When Ozzy left.
They were kind of, they were riding high.
They were like big.
And Ozzy left, so you could consider that a breakup.
Yeah.
It was a breakup.
The only thing is they replaced very well their singers.
Yes.
And, um, but the main thing is, is their sound.
Yeah.
They could not do that sound with Dio and that's what they wanted.
Yeah.
And they got it and it worked very well.
And then the last one I had was Rage Against the Machine.
Yeah.
Which, you know, I think Tom Morello wanted to go, but the singer also kind of wanted
to go.
Uh, Zach Dilleroccia, he wanted to do solo because he was more of a rap guy.
Yeah, he was.
He wanted to do rap and he did that and from what I understand he did pretty well.
But Tom Morello, he went on to a super group.
Mm-hmm.
And that would have been Rage.
Audio Slave.
Audio Slave would have been all of Rage with Chris Cornell except Zach Dilleroccia.
Yeah.
And, yeah.
All right.
So, and then that's it for that.
I've got some more of bands that broke up but not necessarily at the height of their
fame.
And then I've got the super groups one.
Okay.
You want me to do my super groups?
Yeah.
Okay.
This is mix and match bands for your own super groups.
So this is stuff you either find interesting, find hilarious, or you think could work but
you're not real sure.
So the first one I want to put together is Trent Reznor and Alanis Morissette, Ballads.
Oh.
I want to hear angry ballads from these two.
That would be amazing.
Yeah.
Wow.
I like that.
Yeah.
You imagine going out, ballads.
And you know, she'd be hating on men and he'd be hating on women.
And you're like, who would win?
I think we'd just all lose.
I think we'd all lose.
Yeah.
I think we should be allowed to take these people that are even dead for these super
groups because I think I've got some that are already dead.
I agree.
All right.
The next one I would like, the super group, Roger Waters, John Lennon, Jason Bonham, and
John Paul Jones.
Wow.
You imagine all the different writing styles and then put together.
Who would win?
Yeah.
Man, would they ever agree on a song?
No.
But it would make it so good.
You imagine the album, here, here, here, here, here.
They'd only have to write one song and then just give us like five different versions
of it that each one of them came up with.
That could be a whole album.
I almost went with Ginger Baker, but I was like, no, I'll keep with that.
Yeah, I'll keep with Bonham.
Yeah.
Baker was kind of a jerk.
Nobody liked him anyway.
Yeah.
That would add even more to it though.
You imagine him and Lennon.
Oh my God.
Him and Lennon would be...
All right.
The next one, now I think this would be really interesting.
I'd love to hear it.
It'll never happen, but Robert Plant, Brandy Rhodes, Tony Franklin, and Les Claypool.
Wow.
Now, imagine Robert Plant and Brandy Rhodes alone.
Yeah.
That would work.
That would have worked very well.
I'm trying to picture Brandy Rhodes and Les Claypool finding any kind of common ground.
No.
Tony Franklin and Les Claypool, both together.
Can you imagine that shit?
There'd be no way they would...
Maybe Tony Williams.
Tony Williams, yeah.
He was his kind of father of progressive jazz fusion rock kind of stuff.
Yeah.
So he could keep up with Les.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Who would be the drummer?
I didn't put a drummer down though.
Well Tony Williams is the drummer.
Tony Williams.
Yeah.
Okay.
We'll go with Tony Williams.
Yeah, we'll go with Tony Williams.
Okay.
Either that or Stuart Copeland.
No, but I've always wanted to hear two bassists in a song.
Yeah.
I think Spinal Tap wrote one like that called Big Bottom.
Yeah.
Yes.
Actually, I guess I did hear one.
You got to get a Spinal Tap reference in there somewhere.
All right.
Next one.
Alicia Keys, Eddie Van Halen, Keith Moon, and Plea.
Wow.
I'd be surprised if they could all stay in the same room for more than 15 minutes.
Oh, geez.
I guess he'd flee over there giving Eddie a wet willy just constantly.
Oh my gosh.
Wet willy.
How about Alicia Keys trying to fucking sing this stuff?
Eddie Van Halen going to weird rhythms and going back and forth.
She'd all say, just go turn off her mic and go, what was that?
Did we talk about that?
We didn't talk about this earlier.
No, no.
This is not in the agreement.
That would be hilarious.
That would be a fabulous disaster that you would love to get the outtakes.
That's what's the best part is these bands that should never happen.
Yes.
I've got a list of some of them too.
Yes.
There's some of them I think that would work phenomenally after arguing a lot in the great
music.
Yeah.
With enough Xanax and ketamine, I think you can get them to work together.
A lot of alcohol.
This next one I'm really, really excited about.
You got two singers here and they both are complainers but from different eras.
Eminem.
Yeah.
Neil Young.
Oh yeah.
Gosh.
Their voices together, that would not be music.
Oh my gosh.
They each be bitching.
Oh gosh.
One would be about political and one would be about his mother.
Yeah.
Or his girlfriend.
Or food stand.
Or whatever.
Yeah.
And John Karabi playing guitar.
Good.
And Neil Young I guess could probably play a little too.
Yeah.
You know what?
Actually I didn't think about it but they both could have a grungy sound kind of.
That's true.
Neil Young and John Karabi, heavy sound.
And I put Tommy Lee to back all this up.
Yeah.
Tommy Lee did.
Yeah.
I think he could do it pretty well.
I mean he already played with John Karabi.
Yeah.
And if nothing else works he can just drown everyone out.
Yes.
This next one.
Everyone shut up.
I'm doing the drum solo.
Ever read how he gets some of those sounds?
Have you ever read up on it?
No.
Oh my god.
I mean look I don't like the guy personally.
I think he's a piece of crap.
But man he did everything to come up with different sounds.
Like one was in a bathroom and he recorded it there because of the acoustics and the
hollow sound.
Yeah.
And then another one to get power that he did.
He used different types of sticks and anyhow.
He was marching band in high school so he learned all of his basic rudiments and skills
and he learned how to play hard and precise.
Yeah he'd have to.
Yeah.
I tried to get into the band in high school but they were already full up with drummers.
Oh.
Okay.
I was always for drumming in high school.
It's a cool thing.
Yeah pretty much.
It's like hey I want to bang on shit.
Yeah.
Then when you get out of high school the girls are like ew drummer.
Yeah drummer.
I want a musician.
No.
You're just a guy that hangs out with musicians.
Yeah get out of here.
Alright you're like a roadie.
Only you hit things.
That's a good one.
There we go.
You're just a roadie they let on stage.
Yeah get out of here.
This next one I'm real proud of.
Mark Knopfler.
Yeah.
Jelly Roll.
Oh nice.
Geezer Butler.
And Neil Pirrt.
Wow.
What kind of music.
Okay right off.
Let's dissect this a little bit.
You got Mark Knopfler and his amazing amazing brother.
I think he would fit with Neil.
I think so too.
Okay so those two would work very well together.
Geezer Butler jazz can be heavy can be very dark likes to hold the notes and bend them.
That would fit.
Yeah I think he would leave a lot more space for Neil to do stuff.
Exactly.
I just don't see where Jelly Roll fits in.
Jelly Roll can sing and he can sing melody and I think it will work.
Yeah Neil likes those odd time signatures but nobody else does so he'd probably have
to hang out and just do four four.
Probably yeah I mean it wouldn't be the perfect fit.
It would be interesting.
It would be interesting to hear.
Alright next one.
This one I love.
Two lead singers.
And it's got a bassist but Ronnie James Dio could play bass too if he wanted.
Or actually he's a guitar player too but you could have three guitars in this thing if
you wanted to.
Yeah.
Ronnie James Dio, Chris Cornell.
Can you imagine them?
That would be some vocals.
Yeah off each other one you know each of them doing a verse one of them back one doing harmony,
Mick Morris, Duff McKagan and Steve Harris to wrap it all up.
Nice.
Or not Steve Harris.
Who am I thinking of?
Steve Morse?
No the drummer for Iron Maiden.
Steve Morse actually.
He's a guitar player yeah.
Who's the drummer you're thinking of Steve?
No no no.
I would I meant Iron Maiden but I wrote down Steve Harris but I mean the Iron Maiden drummer.
Oh well the only one I know is Nicko McBrain.
That's it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I like Nicko McBrain he's got an awesome name.
I love him.
Yeah he does.
He just retired too.
Yeah I saw that.
Yeah he was an excellent I love his drumming.
Yep.
I was thinking Steve Morris.
Steve Morris Kansas, Deep Purple.
Dixie Draggs.
The guitarist.
Yeah.
Hey Alvin.
Alright.
My super groups that should never happen.
Marie Osmond and Brad Paisley.
The hat right there is great.
Join Pantera.
Now Brad Paisley is a hell of a guitar player.
Yeah he is.
I mean dude can play.
Yeah.
I mean even if you don't like country music go listen to some Brad Paisley.
No he's good.
I've heard enough of his stuff.
But the band would have to be called God's Kitty Cat.
Cause you know Marie is not going to handle any of it.
No she's going to have to.
Yeah.
Alright here's my next one.
You get the Gallagher Brothers from Oasis and the Robinson Brothers from Black Crows.
Oh.
And you put them together and call it Black Oasis.
And they'd constantly be bickering and fighting.
Nobody would be able to stand anybody.
No no no no.
That's when the bands would never get close to each other.
They'd all stay in their own area.
Alright let's take the surviving members of the Who and put them with the surviving members
of the Doobie Rothers.
And you call them Who Doobie.
Who Doobie.
I like that.
So that'd be Roger Daltrey, Townsend.
And the bass player and the drummer are both dead.
Ed Whistle died.
Ed Whistle and Moon both died.
And Moon both died.
Ok yeah.
So the Doobies you'd have Skunk Baxter and Michael McDonald.
Whoever else is left.
Anyhow yeah.
A couple of them died but anyhow.
Here's my next one.
You have Ryan Adams.
Summer of 69 died.
Not Ryan Adams.
No.
The later one.
Yeah.
But you also had Ryan Adams who was an all country guy who hates being confused for Ryan
Adams.
Oh yeah.
So of course I'm sticking him in the same man.
You're putting him in the same one.
And Ryan Adams is notoriously hard to get along with which is why he's not working right
now.
Yes.
And then you add in somebody who's just in it for the money.
Grace Slick.
She's like call me whenever it's my parts.
Don't bother me and tell me.
On vocals you have Henry Rollins.
This is getting worse isn't it?
Yes it is.
And the bass player from UFO Pete Way.
Yes wasted Pete Way.
The guy who nobody knows how he survived all those years.
You call the band Future Crime Scene.
A premonition.
My back's killing me.
That's why I'm standing up.
Go ahead.
Alright.
Next band.
Ted Nugent.
Nikki Sixx.
Two complainers.
Yeah.
Billy Squire.
And what's left of Aerosmith.
And the band is going to be called Don't Tell Me To Fuck Off.
You Fuck Off.
I want to call it Twitter Rage.
There we go.
Twitter Rage would be a good one.
They're both known for their outbursts on Twitter.
But yeah that would be interesting.
In an odd way I think it could work too.
Not well Nikki Sixx would probably ruin it.
No he'd start bashing the other guys and wanting like 80% of everything.
Alright now three more.
We've got Stevie Nicks plus Dwight Yoakam plus Lou Reed.
We'll walk on the wild side.
And the remains of Hanoi Rocks.
And the band will be called The Wrong Guy Died.
Yeah.
Too soon?
Yeah.
Too wrong?
Too soon.
Too angry?
I love that.
I love the angle you took on this.
You took the name.
Yeah.
Or mostly.
Okay.
Tobias Forge from Ghost.
Jesse James Dupree from Jacked.
C.C. DeVille.
Poison.
Yeah.
From Kings X Doug Pinnock.
Okay.
And then back with Motley Crue's Avatars.
Oh wow can you imagine Tobias Ford and Pinnock singing together?
And the band would be called Why Are You Paying For This?
Yeah.
You talk about two completely different singing styles.
No kidding.
Wow.
But if we've got time I've got some super groups that almost happened.
Yeah I think we've got time.
12, 30.
We've got about another hour and then I've got to leave about 1 or a little bit before.
So here's an interesting one.
Elvis Presley was very interested in having David Bowie produce one of his albums.
Really?
Yeah.
You know.
Back in 2016 Dwight Yoakam said in an interview that a perspective Elvis Presley album produced
by David Bowie almost came to be.
The story goes that Yoakam met Bowie following a show at the Hollywood Athletic Club during
Bowie's Earthling Tour.
Bowie revealed that in 1977 just months before Presley's death he had expected, he had received
a phone call from Presley to discuss Bowie producing his next album.
And Bowie being a huge fan said he would have jumped at it but Presley was already ill and
it didn't seem like there was a realistic chance that it would come to pass.
Presley was ill before his heart attack?
Yeah.
Oh I didn't know that.
He was kind of failing.
Yeah.
Oh okay.
He was really bad blood pressure, high cholesterol, liver disease, a number of other things.
He didn't take care of his body and he took a whole hell of a lot of drugs.
Yeah and then he died trying to take it down.
And they said in 75, 1975 a couple years earlier, Presley's manager had invited Bowie to write
a song for Elvis so Bowie submitted the now classic song Golden Years.
Oh wow.
But Presley said nah don't want it.
Isn't that weird?
That is.
And ironically enough Presley and Bowie shared the same birthday January 8th except 12 years
apart.
And now they're reunited.
Next up we have Van Halen with Patti Smythe on vocals.
I would love to hear that.
Yeah we mentioned this on the last Music Creeds.
She was 8 months pregnant which is the only reason she declined.
It's the only reason Sammy got the job.
We could have had her instead of fucking Sammy Hagar.
I like Sammy Hagar.
I like the solo stuff, the Red Rocker but I think Patti Smythe would have been a much
better singer for Van Halen.
Yes out of all those albums they put out they have like two good songs with Sammy and the
rest of them are mediocre.
The Beatles and the Stones and Bob Dylan were going to form a supergroup.
Really?
Yeah.
Engineer and producer Glenn Johns who worked with all three acts not to mention the Who,
the Zep, the Band, the Clash said in his 2014 autobiography he said his plan back in 1969
was to pool the best material from Mick and Keith, Paul and John, and Bob Dylan and George
who was I guess his writing partner and then select the best rhythm section from the two
bands for whichever song we were cutting.
Initially the interest in this came from Bob Dylan who wanted this to happen who approached
the Stones and the Beatles about a collaborative project.
Said Keith Richards and George Harrison loved the idea, John Lennon, Paul McCartney and
Mick Jagger were all fundamentally opposed.
Said nah don't want to do it.
The years later Dylan would get his chance to work with the Traveling Willberries so it
was kind of almost the same.
Isn't that weird?
That is.
Now the Willberries were very good while they were around.
And it was kind of like the same idea where they each wrote songs and then they kind of
sound like the ones Dylan wrote sounded like Dylan's songs and the one Jeff Lynn wrote
sounded like ELO's songs.
It kind of worked out.
It's actually really good that whole album is solid.
This one would have been amazing.
Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Hendrix.
What?
Yeah.
If Lake would have gone to bass, Hendrix would have taken over guitar.
Because Greg Lake played bass and guitar on all their albums.
Emerson was keys and Palmer was drums.
But the story behind this dates back to the very origins of ELP in 1970 when Greg Lake,
formerly of King Crimson and Keith Emerson, formerly of the Nice, big and couldn't get
the new outfit.
Jimi Hendrix's experience had just broken up.
And Greg Lake talked to his ex Hendrix drummer Mitch Mitchell about signing up.
He explains that it was Mitch Mitchell who initially suggested that maybe Hendrix should
get on board with ELP.
Two things happened shortly after.
Lake and Emerson went to meet with drummer Carl Palmer, who used to be of Atomic Rooster
and the crazy role of Oliver Arthur Brown.
And then Hendrix died.
Yeah.
Oh, gee man.
So they were getting ready to put together.
They were going to do this.
It was going to be Emerson, Lake, Palmer and Hendrix from the start.
Wow.
That would have been amazing.
Oh, can you imagine Hendrix psychedelic stuff with that, with ELP?
Oh my gosh.
Now if they had kept Palmer, then they could have been help, H-E-L-P.
If they kept Mitch Mitchell as drummer, which I think probably would have been a better
choice.
I like Carl Palmer, but he was not.
I'm, yeah.
Mitch Mitchell is much better.
Yeah.
Then they could have been Helm.
Helm.
I hope for Helm.
Hendrix, Emerson, Lake and Mitchell.
And Mitchell.
Cool.
But no one would have had to go over there.
Oh, that would have been so good.
I want that band.
We'll never get it.
I would just love to hear what they came up with.
There's no outtakes or nothing they never actually got together for.
No.
It was all in the talk.
But imagine Hendrix and Keith Emerson trading licks on guitar and keyboard.
It would make Deep Purple look mediocre.
Yeah.
Well, John Lord played the organ pretty much.
Yeah.
But anyhow.
All right.
Up next, Jimi Hendrix on guitar, Miles Davis trumpet, Paul McCartney bass, and Tony Williams
drums.
Everybody's wanting Hendrix to join their clan.
Yeah.
They said a telegram was sent to Paul McCartney from the other three.
Saying dated October 22nd, 1969 reads as follows.
We are recording and LP together.
They misspelled and LP together.
This weekend.
How about coming in to play bass?
Stop.
Call Alan Douglas at 212-581-2212.
I guess you can call that number now and see what's there.
That's a good idea.
Peace.
Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, Tony Williams.
And McCartney, let's see where it gets down to what McCartney said.
I think basically it was McCartney's just kind of said, nah, it doesn't sound like a
good fit.
I just really don't want to do it.
Okay.
But he played with Michael Jackson.
Yeah.
The Beatles were wrapping up their recording of Abbey Road.
Williams went on to become the most respected jazz fusion drummer.
Hendrix was just a few months away from his tragic death.
It's like right before he died, there were all these plans for supergroups happening.
I know.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
And then the one, the next one.
We're lucky to get music we did out of him.
Yeah, I think we did.
Prince and Michael Jackson.
The two personalities bore as many similarities as the differences.
Both born in 58.
Both heavily influenced by James Brown and classic Motown stacked soul sounds.
They shared some musical roots.
Michael Jackson in an interview said, I was trying to do this collaboration with Michael
Jackson to save his life.
The collaboration was me calling up as an excuse to reach out to this guy who was in
a really bad place.
I sent him a plane ticket and a driver and he tacked the plane ticket to the wall in
the bedroom.
The driver sat outside the house for 10 hours.
Oh, wait a second.
We're skipping on to a different one.
Oh no.
I'm sorry, I skipped a page.
Let's see.
No, Quincy Jones was going to be the producer for Prince and Michael Jackson.
I think they eventually met at Jackson House, but eventually Prince was the one who passed
on the idea.
He said he had more to do with the material.
He said I would have worked with Michael Jackson fine, but the material that we had just wasn't
worth my time.
Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson were going to have a project together.
Michael Jackson attended a Queen concert and they got together and thought that there was
some potential there.
Three tracks were actually laid down in Jackson's home.
There must be more to life than this, state of shock, and victory.
Probably the first one, there must be more to life than this, has ever officially been
released on a 2014 compilation album.
So we can get a taste of it.
Yeah, state of shock he released.
Two different versions of it.
One with Freddie Mercury and one with, who's the other one?
Dammit.
Victory?
No, the other state of shock.
Yeah, there's two state of shocks.
I forgot who the second one was.
He released one with Freddie Mercury and Mick Jagger.
Oh yeah.
Well they said basically the reason this project kind of petered out, Mercury himself said
that their work schedules were to blame.
They could never find time together to make it happen and make more tracks.
And then time just kind of ran out for both of them.
What timeline was that?
That was mid-80s.
That would have been, yeah, it started in 83 when Michael Jackson went to a Queen concert.
Freddie Mercury was still well.
Yeah, he still could have done it.
And then the one I started accidentally reading, R.E.M. and Nirvana were going to do a project
together.
Kurt Cobain was a great admirer of R.E.M. especially Automatic for the People, he loved
that album.
In the year Kurt Cobain died he said if I could write just a couple of songs as good
as what they've written, I don't know how that band does what they do but they're just
the greatest.
So he was a big, big fan.
Michael Stipe, singer for R.E.M. was a close friend and somewhat of a mentor to Cobain.
He was also godfather to Francis Bean, their child.
Stipe was watching Cobain's downward spiral into drugs and depression and so he tried
to push forward this project.
That's what I was reading for.
I was doing this to try to decide his life, he was in a really bad place, send him a plane
ticket but he just sat in the house while the driver waited outside for 10 hours, Kurt
wouldn't come out, wouldn't answer the phone.
Basically Kurt just opted out.
The weird thing is that was his idol, that's what he wanted to work with him.
He wanted to write something.
But he was depressional, really, really changing.
Yeah, it's got it.
You'd think he'd been jumping for joy.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
And then the last one I have is XYZ.
This would have been a super group coming from former members of Yes and Led Zeppelin.
So X, Yes and Zeppelin, XYZ.
When John Bonham died, Led Zeppelin kind of quit being a working outfit.
Since meeting between Jimmy Page and Yes' bassist keyboard player Chris Squire, they
started talking about a band together.
Squire recruited fellow Yes member Alan White on drums, excellent drummer.
Then they used the keyboardist from Green Slate, Dave Lawson.
And then Robert Plant was approached to be the lead singer.
Really?
But even though he attended rehearsal, he ultimately decided not to commit.
Well, he was really wanting to do his solo stuff anyhow.
Yeah, that was when he was really starting to want to do solo stuff.
Under the weight of contractual wrangles, combined with Plant's ambivalence, the whole
plan just fell apart.
Intriguingly, they did lay down some recorded material which showed up in altered form on
various future Yes albums.
How we damn?
Yeah.
They're not saying which ones they were, but they said in the interview with Page, he said
he felt pretty positive about his time with the proposed supergroup.
He's like, yeah, this will never happen again.
That was the chance and it had been passed.
That was it.
Yeah.
So I remember people talking about XYZ and being really stoked about it.
I remember that too.
I didn't know who all it was and all that.
Yeah, all I knew was the remains of Led Zeppelin plus the bass player from Yes and the drummer
from Yes.
So who knows?
Hey, okay.
We all know Ace Frehley, right?
He is a very influential guitar.
Pretty sloppy, admittedly.
He's the one guy that says he wished he would have practiced more if he would have known
he would have affected that many more people playing.
He said, I wish I would have practiced more.
It's funny.
It is.
He's extremely honest, so him rating another Kiss guitarist is no different.
I found this article to be really intriguing because of his honesty.
So, all right, so they asked Ace, what did you think of Vinnie's playing?
Vinnie Vincent.
Vincent Cusano is his real name that appeared on many Kiss albums as a songwriting credit.
Oh, okay.
So because he played on two Kiss albums, Creatures of the Night, which they admit here, that's
all I've always said.
That was Vinnie.
That was not Ace.
And lick it up.
He's a good guitar player.
Even Paul said in interviews that Vinnie is a really good songwriter, which would go back
to his albums that they wrote.
He said, I never dissected any of his songwriting, but from what I understand, he's a really
good songwriter.
I think he's a good guitar player.
None of us can play exactly the way we did when we were in our 20s.
He can't play at all now, but anyhow.
Because Ace catches up with you a little, but you do your best.
But Bruce is an excellent musician.
He's actually technically a better guitar player than me, which I'd agree, technically.
Bruce Coolidge.
Yes.
But he doesn't have the feeling that Ace does, but technically, yeah, he is a better guitar
player.
More precise, for sure.
He knows what he's doing.
He knows how to write a decent song.
He's good at pop songs, too.
Okay, I'd be the first to say that.
But I have a certain style that I've developed over the years that even it's a little sloppy,
people can recognize Ace freely solos, which is true.
His note bending, like I've always said, only he can do that.
You hear it, and you're like, oh, that's Ace.
You hear an Ace song, it's just like Kim Thal.
Yeah.
You hear that, and you go, oh, that's Kim Thal.
How do you know that?
It's the sound.
The sound.
Yeah, there's some guitar players I really learned to recognize by the sound or certain
tricks they do.
It's like, oh, I know who that is.
He goes, I get it.
Oh, he did not write Mark St. John, who was on one album, and he developed an arthritic
condition in his hands, and they had to replace him with Bruce Coolidge.
This is the Analyze Tour.
Right after they did the album, it was like maybe the third show, and he developed that
arthritic condition, and they had to take him out and put in Bruce Coolidge.
So I get it because I'm a blues-based rock guitarist, and a lot of times my solos, rather
than playing fast like Yngwie, for example, I'd rather play a slower melodic solo that
people can hum.
Because if you're playing like 50 notes in a measure, it's pretty hard to hum.
I agree.
We've always said this, though.
I remember when Heron Cream came out with Sunshine of Your Love, and Clapton did a really
cool melodic solo.
I think part of his solo he stole from the song Blue Moon.
No, I can see that.
I'll have to re-listen to it, but I believe him.
Those are the people I studied growing up as a teenager playing guitar.
I studied Eric Clapton.
I studied Jimi Hendrix.
I studied Jimi Page big time.
Jeff Beck, another great guitar player.
I was lucky to have met at the Iridium Club in Manhattan.
Unfortunately, he passed away too recently.
This must have been from last year when he passed away.
No, I guess it could have been this year too.
People are dropping like flies.
I don't get it.
I just went to my doctor the other day and he said, Ace, I've been tracking your blood
work over the last three or four years.
Every year it gets better.
You're the only patient, I said, that is aging in reverse.
Being sober and eating organically, working out, that's the big difference here.
I try to stay away from junk food.
And then anyhow, this whole thing, he said he eats a cheeseburger every now and then.
He rated most of Kiss' guitarists and he was extremely honest and it wasn't that long
of a, you know, he didn't get into it real depth.
He just said how he felt.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it a lot.
Yeah, it's nice that he didn't get into specifics and music theory and he kept it very accessible
for people.
He got me to Tommy Thayer too, but I didn't include that part.
And here's what he said about Tommy Thayer in a nutshell.
Tommy Thayer is really good at duplicating other music, but he's not good with his own
feeling.
Yeah.
And I agree.
And that's why they hired him.
You know, he was his technician, his roadie technician, Ace's, and he used to fill in
for Ace when Ace wouldn't show up.
Yeah.
Ace said one time he ran in at last minute, or no, Tommy said this, and he's dressed up
as Ace.
And Ace walks by and he goes, hey, hi Tommy.
He goes out on stage.
Anyhow, I didn't want to go and cat a whole bunch because it's a, you know, anyhow, go
ahead.
Oh, here we are.
I seem to have more bands that broke up in interesting ways.
And that's cool.
I came up one little thing.
It's not worth a whole lot of time, but I started thinking about, you know how we have
lead guitarists and rhythm guitarists?
Yeah.
I think bands have lead drummers and rhythm drummers.
And I came up with some examples.
It's like Ringo Starr is a rhythm drummer.
Ian Pace for Deep Purple, he's a lead drummer.
Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, lead drummers.
Simon Kirk from Bad Company, rhythm drummer.
Yeah.
And it's interesting how bands will choose one or the other because you really don't
have, you know, a lot of times you don't have a band that's like Mr. Solid Rhythm Guy and
then every once in a while he does these spectacular Neil Peart kind of things.
It's kind of one or the other.
I think it's for the type of music they're playing and what they think is going to fit
in there.
Yeah.
You don't need a guy going off on his own.
You don't need it.
I mean, can you imagine Bad Company?
Yeah.
It wouldn't work.
With them overplaying.
Yeah, there's no way.
They were just, you know, fucking meat and potatoes band.
Even though they're very talented, really talented, they chose to just do rock.
An album oriented rock.
I thought it was interesting that it's a lot of times it's three piece bands that'll
have the lead drummer like Triumph and Cream.
Triumph is a great example.
They never got a lot of really credit for what they did.
Not in America.
In Canada they were still pretty huge.
Yeah.
But then you got some three piece bands with a strictly rhythm drummer like ZZ Top.
Yeah.
That guy's strictly rhythm.
But he's good.
I mean, I liked it.
He didn't overplay because he didn't have to.
Of course, you can't really judge on ZZ Top's drummer on any album from like Eliminator
on.
Drum Machine.
Yeah, from Eliminator on it's Drum Machine.
Yeah.
You never hear a live drum on an island or out.
Wasn't that like their choice?
It was Billy Gibbons' choice.
Billy Gibbons wanted that.
Okay.
Yeah.
The article I remember reading from the sound engineer, he said the band would lay down
tracks during the day and then they'd all go to bed and Billy would stay up late and
redo the drum tracks with his drum machine every night.
So he just decided to just do that.
Replacing with Frank Beard and playing.
And he said they kept it hidden until like the end when they were playing the final mix
for everybody.
And the drummer's like, who the hell is that?
That's not me drumming.
Who the hell did you hire to replace me?
And then they had to say, well, this is a drum machine because that's the best sound
and we really are going to go with the drum machine.
Did they give Frank Beard his money though?
I don't know.
You know, he doesn't get songwriting credit so he didn't get paid that way.
Since he didn't really perform on the album, he doesn't get paid for that.
Really the only thing he's going to get paid for is the live shows.
Okay.
Well, because something like that happened with Blizzard of Oz.
Lee Kerslake was the guy's name I couldn't think of.
They had replaced all his playing with Tommy Aldrich after the fact.
The original was Lee Kerslake and I guess because of the big fight they had or something.
So they're like, all right, well, we're just going to take all his stuff off of there and
he's not going to get anything, you know, any residuals after that.
So I wonder after he took and put a drum machine in it, they said, hey, we're sorry, but you're
not getting any money for this or we're still going to pay you because you get it.
I think what they told Frank Beard is it's going to be this or you're out of the band
and we'll just hire a drummer for the tour.
But we'd rather have it be us three, maintain the image, et cetera.
And then they did, they hid the fact from the public for as long as they could that
they're using a drum machine.
It's amazing.
They hid it for about three albums.
Well, they didn't hide it.
They just wouldn't admit it because everyone could tell.
Everyone knew.
And they were being very specific in their lives.
They were denying that they used this specific brand and model of drum machine on the album.
People caught on.
Well, and that unit stayed together forever, too, until one of their deaths and obviously
had some discontention in there.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
But, you know, I think from Eliminator on, the band realized Billy Gibbons is making
us a crap ton of money if we just let him do it his way.
So let's just get on board for the ride and be grateful.
Yeah.
So they let Billy Gibbons, if not, Billy Gibbons would have gone solo and those, all those
albums would have been Billy Gibbons solo albums.
Yeah.
And they went from that really loose stretch to, I don't know what you call it.
It's still loose, but not the same.
It's a lot harder and more polished.
Yeah, a little bit more polished.
A lot of their earlier albums, you could tell it's just the three piece.
It's the three piece.
It's like they recorded them live and it's all honky and scratchy and weird.
Yeah, yeah.
And they're all behind the albums all of them.
Yeah.
And to be fair, in the past Frank Beard has had a lot of troubles with heroin.
That's true.
So they've had to carry him for a number of years.
So at this point they're like, well, this is how it's going to be.
And he's probably-
He had no leg to stand on.
I'm sure he didn't.
And, you know, he's probably realizing this is the best offer I'm getting yet because
he was an okay drummer, but nothing really spectacular.
Nothing stood out about him at all.
No.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Uh, let's see.
And then other bands that maybe have split up.
Uh, let's see.
Stone Roses.
Uh, they had a debut album in 89, considered one of the most influential pieces in British
music history.
Songs like Waterfall, I Want to Be Adored, I Am the Resurrection.
Um, but then it took them five years to come up with their second album.
And it didn't live up to anybody's expectation.
I don't even remember their second album.
Yeah.
And they had a lot of band lineup changes.
Um, they didn't fully reunite until 2011.
I don't even know- I didn't even know that.
Okay.
And then they kind of kept it going through a Hampton Park concert in 2017.
But it seemed overall they just couldn't handle the pressure that their own success brought
on.
Um, let's see.
Here we go.
Yeah, it's like their first album was Odyssey and Oracle from 1968.
Wow.
Long time ago.
Okay.
Um, no wait, this- no, I'm sorry, this is blending into the zombies.
It's the zombies.
I ran the two stories again.
Okay, the zombies.
Okay.
First album in 68 was Odyssey and Oracle.
You know how sad the thing is?
I had no idea.
I was just like, okay.
Yeah, these things didn't print out right.
I'm sorry about that.
Well, you're going into my territory now.
I have this shit all the time.
It'll overlap or switch positions on my- anyhow, go ahead.
But the zombies' biggest hit was the song The Time of the Season.
It's the time of the season for loving.
Yeah, yeah.
You hear it on not even classic rock, like what we call old East stations.
Yeah.
And sometimes the Safer Work radio stations.
Yeah, those, those, the Musac stuff.
But the odd thing is by the time it became a hit, the band had already decided to break
up.
Okay.
And they had a final gig in December of 67, four months before their final album was released,
they already split up.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hootie and the Blowfish, they got huge in 1999.
And it was like the whole country was super excited and then super sick of them.
And their next album came out and nobody gave a damn.
No, they didn't.
Everything was on that one album.
Yeah.
And then now he's country.
Yeah.
Darius Rucker.
Yeah, he's country.
He's very big.
I mean-
He's had a way better career as a country artist than he had as Hootie.
He sounds great as country, too.
He was never Hootie.
There was no Hootie.
No, no, no.
He was country.
He was Darius from down the road.
Yes.
Well, let's see.
Here we got Velvet Underground.
Okay.
A lot more in artistic influence than actual personal success.
Let's see.
Do, do, do, do, do.
Okay.
I think I lost a paragraph in here.
It was Lou Reed that was really the big deal in Velvet Underground.
Okay.
And in 1970, he decided, you know what?
I want to go solo.
And he took basically the whole band's identity with him and then he went solo.
And then two years later in 72, Lou Reed had the Rock and Roll Animals album and tour,
which basically put him over the top.
And then Alice Cougar came and stole his guitar players, Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter, and
said, I want these guys.
And Lou Reed was, that's pretty much.
He did okay.
Smashing Pumpkins.
They came out with Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness in 95.
28-track double album.
Lasted over two hours.
Name the most accomplished, best-selling double album of the decade.
Debuted at number one.
Earned seven Grammys.
But within five years, the Smashing Pumpkins were gone.
Yeah.
They had an array of weird characters in that band, including, shit, what's his name?
Bald-headed guy, the.
Billy Corgan.
Billy Corgan, yeah.
I think that thing was built just for a sound and that was about it.
And if you're wondering what that is, Rat in the Cage.
That not 1979 or anything like that.
This was their last album, which was harder edged.
But the guys, I don't think from what I read, necessarily got along from the start.
Yeah.
There was always strong rumors that everything you were hearing on the album was Billy playing
every instrument.
Yeah.
And that kind of got debunked because their drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, was actually really,
really good.
Yes.
And you could recognize his playing on the album.
Oh no, he was a really, really good drummer.
And then he screwed up big time because they went on the tour for Melancholy.
Yeah, he did screw up big time.
And they just hired a new keyboard player who joined the band because he heard Smashing
Pumpkins didn't party a lot on the road and he thought that'd be good.
Like two or three dates in, the drummer and the new keyboard player do heroin and the
keyboard player dies of an overdose.
Yeah.
And the drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, they kicked out of the band for about a year or two years
and then they let him back in.
Yeah, they let him back in, which I thought was funny.
You're going to have to go away for two years.
Well, actually when they started fading, that's when they brought him back.
Yeah, yeah.
It was like in 2005, they were going to do a reunion, but bass player Darcy Retzky and
guitar player James Eha were like, yeah, we don't want to.
Yeah.
So really what was there left?
James Eha, I don't think ever liked Billy Corgan and vice versa.
Yeah.
And Darcy, I think liked other types of music.
Yeah, she was really an interesting musician in her own right.
Yeah.
I think that the pumpkins probably bored her.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Let's see, Sex Pistols, never mind the bollocks.
Here's the Sex Pistols in 1977, most impactful punk album of all time, I probably.
I could, yeah, probably so.
Tracks like Pretty Vacant, Holidays in the Sun, Anarchy in the UK, God Save the Queen.
They had one called EMI, which was a different record label that tried to screw them over.
And at the end of the song, you could hear Johnny Rotten sneer, EMI, and then he whips
the microphone around to his ass and farts into the microphone.
That's the Sex Pistols.
Anyway, they became the most censored record in British history after they labeled the
monarchy as a fascist regime.
Yes.
The God Save the Queen, they were so pissed off about that.
It coincided with, was it Queen Elizabeth?
Yes.
Her silver jubilee, which is 25 years in power.
So she had this great big silver jubilee thing where she had these giant boats and floats
and barges and things that floated down the River Thames and everybody would come out
and enjoy and see the queen and honor her reign and everything.
The Sex Pistols rented their own barge and followed behind at the minimum distance allowed
by law, blasting out their own music, which totally ruined the Queen's silver jubilee
because most people wanted to hear the punks.
They were a thorn in the British side and they loved it.
They loved it.
Even though the Sex Pistols were way back there, they were cranked up so loud that no
matter what, you always heard them.
So audio or video of the Queen's silver jubilee, you could hear the Sex Pistols in the background.
That's so cool.
It was so disrespectful.
Awesome.
Anyway, they went to the US on their very first and only American tour.
And in 1978, they were doing a show in the United States and at the very end, Johnny
Rotten sneered at the audience, do you ever get the feeling you've been ripped off?
Which is basically his way of saying, this has all been a joke and a scam and we've got
all your money and I'm tired of it so I'm quitting now.
And fuck you, I'm stopping.
So that was the end of the band.
The band's second bassist, Sid Vicious, he wasn't their original bassist, later died
of a heroin overdose.
His deal was he had a girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, and her basic goal in life was to be the groupie
of some rock guy.
So that's what she did.
She glommed onto Sid Vicious.
She tried it with a couple other guys, didn't work, so she glommed onto Sid and they did
a lot of heroin together.
And then there was one night in a hotel room where she wound up stabbed to death and he
apparently did it, although he didn't quite remember or wasn't sure what had happened.
So he was facing a trial for her death and he was out on bail and his mother knew that
he wouldn't be able to handle going to jail so she helped him overdose on heroin to kill
him.
Imagine helping your own child die of a drug overdose.
That's the kind of sicko he is.
What wonder ever happened to Sid?
There you go.
Yeah.
Anyway, the original members, Johnny Rotten, Steve Jones, and Paul Cook and replacement
Glenn Matlock.
Steve Jones' career after the Sex Pistols is quite comical because he did not do it.
You talk about going in a different direction.
Yeah.
They got together in 96 and did a tour, but that was kind of it for them.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's what I got.
Okay.
I got one last one and then we've got to go because I have some previous things that I
have to do, mainly veterinary appointments.
Okay.
Legendary rock singer, Graham Bonnet, Rainbow, Alcatraz, Michael Shanker.
Oh yeah.
He confirmed that he is working on a new album with a solo band.
He said, we've done three albums.
Can you believe in all that time?
He only has three solo albums.
That's weird.
40 years.
He's always worked with Alcatraz.
After he left Rainbow, he was in Alcatraz before Rainbow, wasn't he?
Yeah, I believe it was.
So Michael Shanker group was all he did after that and they didn't do that many albums.
So this is only going to be his fourth solo album.
We have three albums, Graham Bonnet band, and they've all charted.
He said, they did?
Okay.
They've done great actually.
The songs have turned out really well and so we're on our fourth.
We'll be doing our fourth album.
Elsewhere in the chat, Graham hinted at a possible guest singer appearance on the next
Graham Bonnet band saying, I've seen Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson recently.
Bruce actually might be singing on the new album with me.
Interesting.
Okay.
Anyhow, their third solo album, Day Out In Nowhere, came out in May 2022 and it charted
in England, but of course not here.
Graham is joined by Beth Ami Heavenstone bass.
I believe, isn't she folk?
It doesn't matter.
Conrado Pesinato guitar as well as keyboardist, Alessandro Bertoni, Shane Gallas, and then
he's going to also have appearances by Jeff Loomis.
He was an arch enemy.
Nevermore.
I've heard of Jeff Loomis.
John Tapesta, Mike Potesta, Power Man 5000, John Potesta, the cult in White Zombie, Roy
Z. Halford, and Bruce Dickinson.
I know Roy Z. pretty well.
Don Harry, Deep Purple and Rainbow.
So he's going to have some interesting people on his album, especially if Bruce Dickinson
shows up.
Yeah.
I mean, singing with him.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
So, all right.
We got to shut this show down.
All right.
Thank you for listening, everybody.
Go fuck yourself.
Oh no.
Looks like the show's over kids.
Mark has explosive diarrhea and can't afford a wireless mic.
Fear not, assholes.
They'll be back invading your ear hole soon.