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Okay, I guess we are doing a combo of the Music Creeps and the Sports Bastards.
I think so.
Okay.
Well, let's start off with those sports.
I've got a couple of things I want to point out here.
Oh, wait a second.
Just a moment.
Oh, okay.
All right.
I fixed it.
Okay, good.
Well, do you want a beatbox because we're eventually going to go to the Music Creeps?
Why not?
Okay.
We are the Music Creeps.
Okay, enough.
There we go.
Look at Sammy.
He's like, hey, what the hell?
Yeah.
Okay, I guess we're going to start off with a little football.
I've got a couple of things.
Yeah, football is kind of wrapping up and going into its slow time, so there's not going
to be a whole lot to talk about.
But we'll have free agency we can talk about when that comes around, the draft.
The draft ought to be a pretty good subject because, I mean, most elite teams or near
elite teams are like this.
They're going to have to draft well because of the cap.
They're not going to be able to attain everybody, especially with the high price of quarter
bats.
So, first thing I want to point out is the, I'm looking for the guy's name.
The GM for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Oh, yeah.
I don't remember his name right.
Oh, here he is, Howie Roseman.
Yeah, that sounds right.
Okay, Howie Roseman was nailed in the head by a full beer can.
Oh, my God.
At their parade.
Oh, that's right.
They had a really crazy parade.
That's kind of the norm anymore.
It's sad.
We have shootings that kill innocent people.
Yeah.
I don't want to sound elitist, but we're not used to that kind of behavior in Kansas City.
It's like that happens elsewhere, but not here, but oh, and that's happening here.
The famous one is the guy that got deep-hanced by the tree.
Yeah.
That was probably, I don't know if they will.
That was so awesome.
No one will ever beat that.
I don't think so.
I mean, I don't know.
There's a guy that ate shit in Philadelphia the first time they won the Super Bowl.
Oh, my God.
And then they grazed the light poles because people climbing.
I mean, so all that, but we have a guy that's deep-hanced.
So, I mean, I would have to right now rate deep-hancing by a tree as number one.
Yeah.
Yeah, number one embarrassment.
Then maybe the eating of the horse shit, then probably climbing poles.
And then this is just sad testament is the shooting.
Yeah.
I mean, one thing if doing all this crazy stuff got you the Super Bowl win, but you already got it.
So why are you doing the crazy stuff now?
It doesn't do any good.
You know, I mean, you're talking about a system like the old veteran stadium.
I forgot and don't even want to call them by that name.
Anyhow, I mean, it has its own judicial system inside it.
Yeah, most NFL stadiums have little mini jails.
Oh, they do?
Well, okay.
Well, they have a judge that tries you right there and says, well, we got you on video right there.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So here's your punishment.
And if they have to be transported to another jail, so be it.
But if not, if they get a huge fine, you got to pay that up by the fifth.
You know, I worked at the stadium complex here in Kansas City the summer after I got out of high school.
And one of the concerts I went to there, I saw a friend of mine being led away in handcuffs to the jail that's under Royal Stadium.
I haven't been able to contact him since.
This is like 1979 and that was like almost 50 years ago.
Oh, shit, they killed him.
I don't know what the hell happened to him, but I saw them taking him away in handcuffs.
And that was it?
Never saw him again?
Never saw him again.
Of course, that doesn't mean he disappeared.
It just means I lost track of him.
Yeah, yeah.
He heard that or he had a word.
And you know, how they have the kiss cam up.
Yeah.
Somebody, hey, that's a guy we've been looking for.
So another really kind of chilling thing about all these major sporting venues is they all have sniper nests built in.
Yeah.
Because you never know what visiting dignitary is going to be there, so you got to be prepared to take out a lone praised gunman or somebody with a bump.
There are snipers watching you every time you go to a football game, basketball game, baseball game.
There's snipers watching you.
Wow.
That's creepy.
That is creepy.
And you know, on the one hand, it's like, oh, they're protecting us.
On the other hand, it's like, I didn't realize coming to a sporting event was so freaking dangerous that we need snipers on hand every time.
Sure.
That's something to think about.
It's that dangerous here.
Maybe I shouldn't be paying $50, $75 a seat for it.
Yeah, maybe not.
Maybe she bill me 20 bucks a seat because it's freaking dangerous.
Oh, yeah.
Well, on the sports thing, I guess, damn, I forgot his name, the owner of the Royal Sherman.
John Sherman says that he has some deal in place over a new stadium that it's going to reveal.
I hope it's Washington Park because we're really in that downtown if they're going to put it anywhere.
Yeah, I would really like to see baseball, the Royals baseball stadium be something that is heavily dependent on mass transit.
Yes.
No big ass parking lots.
Yes.
Because tailgating before a baseball game really isn't a fan.
No, nobody cares.
No.
So just have parking like in the plaza or crown center or town or square.
And then you go up by the street cars?
Yeah, and then you get on the street car and it takes you right to the stadium.
And then when you're done, you hop on the street car, it takes you right back where your car is.
Yeah.
And you don't have to pay parking.
That sounds great.
And also if you park at some designated lots in Brookside or in the plaza or whatever, you can dedicate more cars going down there and coming back.
And your car will be more secure in that type of area.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens.
I hope they do that.
I hope they have a heavily mass transit.
Yeah.
And the reason I say that it has to be downtown is because I think if it's not downtown, we're losing them to another county.
Yeah.
And it kind of makes sense to put them downtown because that's a central location.
A lot of traffic goes in and out of that area.
And again, if you had people all driving down themselves, it would be a nightmare.
Every single home game would be a nightmare.
So it's got to be mass transit.
And that's more revenue for our team.
So maybe we could be a little bit more competitive except every nine or ten years.
That would be nice because we all know that the baseball structure sucks and they don't care.
And whatever revenue the team loses from parking revenues, they can make up for in a kickback from the streetcars in the city.
Yeah.
Because the city will be happy because now they can say, look how much use our streetcars are getting.
Now we can build more.
So that makes the city happy.
I'm sure they'd be willing to give a kickback to the Royals.
Yeah.
There's all kinds of angles that can be taken on here.
So we'll see what happens.
I mean, I am pretty sure we're going to lose the Chiefs to Johnson County.
Johnson County has the money and they are talking about these retractable roof and all this stuff.
So if that's it, we're going to have to lose them to that or Wyandotte County.
That's the way it is.
Yeah. And seriously, the New York Giants and the New York Jets left New York for New Jersey.
Nobody cares.
No, no, no, no. They still go there.
Yeah.
They still go there.
So it's no big deal to move to Kansas.
East Rutherford.
It's still the Kansas City Chiefs.
East Rutherford is just not that far away.
It's just like a little skinny little bay, whatever.
Yeah.
It's not that far away from New York.
It's within smelling distance of the Jersey Shore.
Yes.
Where those crazy people live.
Yes.
So that's pretty good.
But no, no, the Eagles GM got nailed in the head with a full beer can.
And I, okay, that never happened here because people are always scared to death.
Brett Beech is going to leave.
Yeah.
Don't give him a reason.
Yeah. Don't give him a reason.
So no one would do that here.
But if I was, I just said his name, fucking Roseman.
If I was Roseman, I would say, all right, I want an announcement on every major newscast in the city in Philadelphia.
Gets on there and he goes, if you know who did this, turn them in.
If you did do it, turn yourself in.
Because if not, I'm leaving.
The end.
Yeah.
I can see that.
You tell the people if this is how you're going to treat me, then I don't have to have my team here.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then after that, all he's got to do is go, well, you guys figure out the punishment.
Just send it to me.
Yeah.
I wouldn't be surprised if NFL owners started writing their name to the contracts they have with cities and their stadiums.
It's like, okay, if something in this category happens, then this contract is no good.
And I get to move any time I want to.
Oh, yeah.
We got a 10-year deal.
Well, sorry.
The rest of the last seven years are void because somebody beat me with a beer can.
Yeah.
If that's written in the contract, then that's why it is.
Yeah.
Oh, well.
Yep.
Well, I guess T. Higgins is very unhappy.
They're talking about franchising him again, and he does not want that.
You know, it's funny because when I initially heard about the franchise tag when they came out with it, I thought that that was a really good thing.
It's like, wow, you get paid the average of the top-fired players in your position.
That's a ton of money.
But then I realized, well, it's a one-year deal, and if you get hurt, your career is basically over.
Yeah, it pisses him off.
Yes.
You can do it one time.
They did it last year.
Now they're going to do it again.
He's going to demand the trades, probably.
I think you can only franchise tag them twice.
And that's it.
That's it, yeah.
But I'm sure he is insanely pissed off.
Yeah.
And OK, I said this first all of last season that I think that Joe Burroughs speaking out against a team like he did is a sign that he is planning on being traded.
Yeah.
OK, T. Higgins doing this, they're blotting out.
Even Colin Cowhert has been saying this lately that he thinks Joe Burroughs is going to demand to be traded.
Yeah, if he starts losing all the—I mean, he pointed out the other players that he thought were actually trying hard, and T. Higgins is one of them.
Yes.
If they get rid of him, then he's—I don't see what holds him there.
No?
So why would he not want to move on from there?
So I said that, and now that Cowhert's saying that, I think, you know what, there's some legitimacy to it.
Yeah.
I was thinking that, but I wasn't sure how legitimate that was.
I know the Cincinnati Bengals organization is flat out denying it, but that means nothing.
It means absolutely nothing.
No, no.
That's what you would expect them to say.
Isn't that sad that we expect them to lie to us?
We just—oh, well, they lied to us.
Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, that's what they do.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're protecting themselves.
How sad that we just accept that for people.
Oh, you're going to lie to me?
Okay, I still like you.
Yeah, that's weird as hell.
You're like, that sucker lied to me.
But people are like, oh, that's what they do.
Yeah.
It's like when the Democrats lied to us about Joe Biden's mental situation.
And we're all supposed to go, oh, well, that's okay.
We understand why you lied.
Yeah.
No, not me.
No, no.
You lied, motherfuckers.
You got to pay.
That dude was crackers and crayons, and everybody could fucking see it.
And you know the Dems were all over Reagan when he got the mention in the White House.
Oh, yeah.
They're all screaming and yelling.
And now when it's Biden, they're like, oh, this is different.
Yeah.
The plaintiff cry of the hypocrite.
Oh, this is different.
Face it.
Both sides are equally corrupt and evil and dirty.
Oh, yeah.
And you know what?
It's just pick your parasite.
That's true.
Pick your parasite.
Which way do you want to get eaten alive?
Yeah.
Okay.
This is kind of douchebag stuff right here, and we talked about it a little bit ago.
Southwest is laying off like 1,700 workers, right?
Mm-hmm.
Normally, how does a layoff happen?
Flight attendants, maintenance personnel, airport.
The lower tier.
Yeah, the people who are on the ground.
The grunts, if you will.
Yeah, the ground crews and things.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, this is not them.
This is some of the top people in the administration at Southwest Airlines.
Now, where do you think they got that idea from?
I think it's from Mr. Swastikaar himself.
Swastikaar.
Yeah.
Yes, I think so, too.
Yep.
They looked over and said, look at that.
He gutted the government, saved them a trillion dollars so far.
And they said, you know what, I think we got the same thing going on here.
Fucking Mr. Williams' brother is some sort of a made-up gimmick or something.
This is all a joke, you know.
Yeah, he's in charge of flight administration over Guatemala.
You know.
I think eventually you realize the system they've had is cut the productive employees
and make the ones you have left work harder and then keep the fat cats on the top rolling
in the gravy.
But somebody proposed the idea of let's take a look at what we're getting for our money.
And we're getting a whole hell of a lot more from the workers for the money we give them.
And this guy, we're giving several million a year and he's doing nothing.
Why are we carrying his ass?
Exactly.
Yeah.
I guarantee you, they looked over there and said, you know what,
Elon Musk is not going after the ground floor people.
He's going after the higher ups that are waste.
Because that's where you pack all the fat and the waste and the greed and the corruption.
It's not the workforce.
It's management.
It used to be an old boy network.
Yeah.
It'd be like, well, you know what, this guy's been with the company forever.
We're not cutting him.
Well, what do you ever do for the company?
That doesn't matter.
He stayed here.
We've got loyalty here.
Yeah, loyalty here.
We can't do that to him.
Now, there's a guy down below that just bought a house and he has four kids and a wife.
They don't care about that.
No.
I cut that guy.
He's a grunt.
Yep.
That kind of bullshit has to stop in America.
You know, we can talk about England all we want in the classes and complete bullshit.
Yeah.
We're probably worse over here.
Yeah.
Our classes are based strictly on wealth and power.
Exactly.
England, there's a little bit of everything involved.
Reading and yeah, that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
All that cool stuff like you're not as good as me, look at our lineage and that stuff.
This kind of situation, anybody can suddenly come into a crap ton of money and all of a
sudden they're important and they get to get away with stuff.
Oh yeah.
But you know, in England, I mean, I'd love to see whenever in a higher up needs a blood
transfusion.
Oh, hang on, hang on.
Where did that blood come from?
Oh, okay.
Do you have any royal blood in there anywhere?
Hang on, let me look through here.
You know what?
I don't want blood from any of those dirty people.
No, no, no, no, no.
I would be a commoner like them and that cannot happen.
Yeah.
I remember watching a show the other day about the Korean War and that was the first major
conflict to occur after the army, armed forces were integrated by Truman.
In World War II, there were still very much segregated units.
Yeah.
All the units with people of color had white officers to lead them.
But in Korea, it was just kind of everybody's everybody.
And there was a lot of pushback from the white soldiers who needed blood transfusions.
They wanted assurance that the blood was coming from another white person.
Oh, I remember reading that.
Oh my gosh.
How fucking back ass.
I know.
You've got to blame the public education system for that.
No, exactly.
The public education system is the people who are promoting it.
The people who are promoting it.
They promoted these people are lesser than us.
Yeah.
It's like, well, it's just like the quarterback situation.
Now, how many African American quarterbacks do we have in the league?
Nobody bothers to count anymore.
Exactly.
Nobody cares.
And they're somebody usher echelon.
And the funny, the number one guy is both.
He's both.
Yeah, this whole thing.
I mean, you know, that classism came from somewhere and it came from.
And we're worse over here because people, you know, view brunts differently than they do someone higher up.
And I find this remarkably refreshing.
I don't like anyone getting laid off.
Don't get me wrong.
Yeah.
But I find it remarkable, remarkably refreshing that Southwest chose to look at their upper echelon and not their lower.
They didn't, they didn't get the brunts.
They didn't get the guys on the ground, the ground crew.
And let's face it right now, the way things are going in aviation, they need as many guys on the ground as they can get.
Yeah, they really do.
Yeah.
It was yesterday, a Delta plane landed upside down.
Everybody managed to survive.
But what's with all these planes crashing all of a sudden?
Well, OK, I thought of that.
And OK, first thing I thought was, OK, if you want to go real conspiracy, someone's interfering with our communications.
I've noticed that absolutely everything I have that's connected, internet connected, has started having slowdowns and glitches and failures.
And it's at a much increased rate just in the last couple of years.
Yeah. Now that is that terrorism sponsored?
Or is that too many people getting on the same grid?
It's probably both.
Plus a little bit of when they told us about 5G and promised us the world they were lying their asses off and they really can't deliver and they don't have the capacity.
It's like when YouTube showed the football games and they kept crashing.
Yeah.
And then what's happening is they've told us we have this great internet infrastructure, but we don't.
We've got crap.
And it's starting to show through the seams and they're still going to keep telling us, oh, it's great, it's wonderful, it's your device.
Don't worry about it.
Just buy a new device and it'll fix it.
Why do you think Netflix had to fight for free?
Because they didn't want to issue 10,000 refunds.
So they're like, just give it to them for free and we're going to gauge that and fail by it.
But I'm noticing that every connected device is starting to screw up more and more and more just random weird crap.
I think it's that combined with people not being able to do an air traffic controller job correctly.
The dumbing down of America is finally sweeping into key positions like that.
And now, since you have a lesser education system, you have a bunch of dummies that cannot do that.
My uncle Mike was an air traffic controller.
And back before 9-11, the security was less and he took me and my ex-wife down to the center in Olathe where they handle a lot of the overflying traffic.
There's nothing landing here or taking off from here.
Pretty cool.
They handle the overflying stuff.
And it's an incredibly high pressure job.
You've got to have a quick mind.
You've got to remember details instantly and remember them correctly.
And then when you're done, you've got to be able to forget it and remember the new thing.
It's incredible.
Not everybody can do this either.
No, very few people can do it.
And the number of people who do it is getting fewer and fewer.
And I think instead of trying to train people and get smarter people to do it, they're just going to turn it over to AI.
Yes.
And that's going to be a real fucking tragedy.
Oh my God.
Because AI could crash every airplane all at once if it wanted to.
You can't think of the Netflix movie that AI fucked up and then all the planes were crashing, all the boats were crashing.
Everything was ruined. Everything was just destroyed.
I think I saw a preview of that.
It was like this family is on the beach and this giant oil tanker is coming in.
It's like, oh my God, this thing isn't stopping.
Yeah.
I forget what that movie, too, but I remember seeing the trailer for it.
It was pretty freaky.
It was a freaky movie.
I watched it.
So anyhow.
I'm wondering if the salary cap is going to get used a little differently with all the things we're talking about,
about franchise tagging and players wanting to trade and stuff.
Yeah.
Because there's been a lot of times where teams have signed someone to a huge deal and then said,
well, if we need to, we'll try to restructure it later and try to get out from the salary cap implications.
I really think it's probably better in the team's better interest.
Somebody's getting arrested, aren't they?
I know.
That's the other road, isn't it? It's not that road.
No.
I can never, people can recognize the difference between like a fire siren and a police siren and an ambulance siren.
I can't tell the difference.
So that just sounded like police to me, but it could have been an ambulance.
The rhythm.
The rhythm's just a little bit different.
It must be.
I'm surprised you can't catch that because you're a musician.
I guess I've just never paid attention.
You will. Now that you know that, you will.
I'll figure it out.
But I'm thinking with a salary cap, maybe teams are going to start going, you know what?
Let's not base anything on whether or not we can restructure later because maybe we can't.
Let's give ourselves the flexibility and sign into a good deal now that we won't have to restructure.
And if they won't sign it, we'll move on because there are more players out there.
We're not going to get stuck with a Russell Wilson ever again.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, not to pick on Russell Wilson.
But if you do, you trade him to Denver and get out of it.
And really none of that was Russell Wilson's fault because nobody had to pay him that.
They chose to.
Yeah, it's the Seahawks' fault for not seeing that he probably wasn't worth it anymore.
Yeah.
Just like every athlete that's taken number one overall and turns it out to be not so great,
it's not his fault he was picked number one.
It wasn't his choice.
Ryan Leaf got paid a shitload of money, although he squandered it all.
I mean, Ryan Leaf was paid a shitload of money to do nothing.
It's not his fault.
Someone offers you that much money.
You're like, I don't think, you don't go, I don't think I can do this.
It's like, where do I sign?
Yeah, if somebody offers me $100,000 to tie their shoelace, I'm going to tie their damn shoelace.
Yeah, if someone offers us $100,000 to come up with a decent podcast, we'll say yes, but we probably wouldn't be able to do that.
Probably wouldn't be able to do that.
But we'll sure as hell sign that.
Yeah, absolutely.
Give me the money.
And another thing to remember is a lot of the most successful teams do the Tom Brady,
where you take lesser money and each year you defer a little bit more, take a little bit lesser.
That way it offsets the salary cap and having to get new people.
Yeah, I think we're going to have GMs that are going to be of that mindset.
It's like, if the guy is unwilling to take less to better the team, then we don't want him because he's not a team player.
And we're going to pass on this awesome quarterback because we're going to have to pay him too damn much money.
We'll let some other team bankrupt themselves on this guy.
We'll just get somebody else.
Now remember, Joe Burrow is one of the guys that spoke out against Mahomes giving the sweetheart deal.
Yeah, he wanted Mahomes to gouge the Kansas City Chiefs.
Yeah, that way he could come back and gouge the Cincinnati Bengals.
So his contract may have something to do with this stuff coming to fruition before the Chiefs stuff.
And the Ravens and the Bills and people that were a little bit quicker to the game to them, they've been in the game longer.
It's too bad more players can't have Travis Kelsey's attitude of, I've got all the money I need.
I'm going to be okay, so I don't need a fat paycheck. I just want two championships.
And another thing to tell his heart is this right here. If he comes back, it's because he wants to win again.
Because he knows he's going to water down his stats. He knows he's going to hurt his body more.
The only reason he would come back is because he wants to win another ring. His legacy is always security.
Yeah, yeah. The quote I heard from him is he's going to think about it, but he wants to make sure if he does come back that he can assure everyone he's giving it 100%.
And he's not half-assing it and he's not just kind of, well, this is all I can do.
He's basically saying if he's not capable of being 100% then he's not coming.
Well, I read another article, and I don't know how true this is, about the Chaser using them different too.
True.
Because he's older, they thought, well, we're going to use them as a block or a decoy more than anything.
So all of this may not be his fault.
Yeah, you can still tell the way he moves and runs that he's hurt and he's not as flexible and he doesn't have the resilience he used to.
But as far as how they're using him, yeah, that's not up to him.
No. And I think that that has something to do with the stats being down too.
They're like, look, we can't rely on him. Noah Gray might be able to do a little bit quicker turn around.
Or a route, or even Watson or somebody like that could maybe do it a little bit quicker because age has caught up with Travis Kelsey.
And don't get me wrong, he's still a hell of an athlete and still one of the best.
But the thing is, he's getting older so people will be faster.
But it's a good idea to take advantage of that little brief window of time when people are still expecting the old Kelsey, but now you're using him in a new way and it confuses them.
And then when they get used to Kelsey's new role, then you change it again.
Then like the Texans, the playoff game. Playoff?
Yeah, we always did that. He had what, 117 yards? Yeah, just blew right up.
That's a game that they used him like, hey, we think he can get open against these guys because of the scheme, so let's do it.
That's another good point is don't have him out there busting himself left and right against a team that he's really not going to be able to get open against.
Use him differently. Don't waste your time going after something that is most likely not going to work and hurt you. Fail.
Just like the Super Bowl, I thought that they should have did more pitch outs and smaller routes to Worthy.
Because Worthy was able to get open and get down the field.
I saw Jalen Hurts doing that with Saquon Barkley. He was pitching out to the flank, not really even the screen.
He was there as an outlet receiver, but just flip it out to him. He runs ahead for 5-7 yards. That's like an awesome running play.
Yeah, that game was there to be won and the Chiefs blew it. Quite simple.
There was a way to beat the Eagles, but they couldn't get their head out of their ass when the Eagles came up with something that they didn't quite know what was going on.
But anyhow, that's then, this is now.
Do you want to go into the music creeps now? Sure.
There was a huge backlash of the Ozzy Sabbath, the very last act of the game.
Yeah, his last hurrah concert.
Well, number one, it does kind of frighten me how soon they are fast-tracking this.
The word is out that Ozzy can't walk. Per Sharon, Parkinson's is a progressive disease. It doesn't get better, it gets worse.
Eventually takes over your mind.
Yeah, it is a neurological illness. It's all about the brain. It's not attacking his actual body parts, it's attacking his brain. His brain is losing control of it.
And this will eventually kill him. How fast is up in the air, but I know this. No one survives Parkinson's. No.
And it's a horrible disease. It affected his legs. But he's going to do his final concert.
So, okay, they have this final concert for the fans. All the proceeds are supposed to go to Parkinson's and children's funds and stuff like that.
Maybe it is. I don't know what the administrative costs are or whatever because I do know people like Jakey Lee are going to be there.
I don't know how much capital he has to work with since evidently he doesn't have writing credits on anything and that's part of his beef.
So, I don't know, maybe Badlands sold enough and he has enough on there. I don't know. I'm sure he's probably okay. He's not horrible. He lives in Vegas.
He's not being shot. Yeah. I mean, he may not be much over a millionaire, but he's probably got seven figures on there.
Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. So, okay, so let's say he's barely a millionaire still. I mean, how much discretionary funds he has to fly to England and do this concert for charity.
Yeah. I would think that part of the administrative costs are getting everybody there.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that a lot of people are getting help with the airfare and help to get out of, you know, maybe they've got a commitment somewhere else they have to pay a penalty on.
So, it's like help me pay off that penalty so I can come do your thing and they get a replacement. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's all sorts of ways to do financial incentives.
So, okay, they, the astronomical ticket prices, people are pissed. They're like, you know, I want you to go pay my respects to this guy, you know, who's not going to be around forever.
He's on the very last tier of his life, obviously. They fast-tracked this show. It's going to be the original Sabbath, all of them. Now, how come I can't go?
How come I can't go because I've been a lifelong fan, supported them all my life? Yeah. Well, they got priced out of a charity event and they are pissed.
I bet. Yeah. And I don't blame them. No kidding. Yeah. I mean, you know, your lifelong fans are just being kicked in the curb.
They can say that it's for Ozzie and a farewell. Doesn't Ozzie want to see his fans, his true fans, not the people that paid money and don't quite know who he is, but they just want to be there?
Yeah. I think if Ozzie had final say on ticket prices, they wouldn't be this high. Yeah. I think that it's kind of disgraceful to do that, in my opinion.
Yeah. It's looking like a big-ass money grabbing. Yes. Especially since they moved it up to make sure they could get the money before he's unable to do the show for whatever reason.
Well, there's more coming up, so let me go to this. And you're going to be raising your eyebrow like I did too.
Okay. They now have, they added some bands, I think probably because of the outrage. Yeah.
So they now have Black Sabbath, Ozzie Solo, Guns N' Roses came aboard, which is a very huge act. I mean, you know, with all the originals except for Adler.
Didn't Steven Adler die? No, no. He might as well be. Yeah. I think they just don't want anything to do with him.
Well, he did so many drugs that he's like, yeah, he sounds, he probably had a stroke. That's what he sounds like.
So anyhow, Slayer, Pantera, which has Zach Lyall in it. What? Alice in Chains, Hailstorm, Anthrax, and Plethora, lesser known bands that I couldn't really get a shit about, but other people may like.
Yeah. Then there's going to be a super group that gets together. Okay. And this will consist of Duff McKagan slash Billy Corgan. Oh, for a Durst. Oh my God.
KK Downing. Yeah. Jake E. Lee. Wolfgang Van Halen. Yeah. Tom Morello. Oh wow. Andrew Watt. Yeah. Chad Smith. Dave Ellifson. Oh yeah. Rudy Sarzo. Sammy Hagar. Ellifson.
See, he used to work with Megadeth. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Sammy Hagar. Wow. It's got, I'm the man, Ian. So plus more. And this goes back to see musicians that are bands that I don't really give a shit about, but some people do.
Yeah. The rest of the people are that. At a certain point in that list of bands, it stops being bands that are playing there for free for the charity and it starts being bands that are paying for the privilege of being there and getting exposure. Bingo.
All those lesser known bands that you're saying you don't really care about, they're paying to be there. Yes. Yeah. Yep. They want that exposure. Yeah. It's like the entertainers that buy the halftime show from the NFL, they pay to be able to perform on that.
Yeah. And the thing with this is probably go on pay-per-view too. You know, that would be the smart thing to do is to be able to broadcast live on pay-per-view, but you got to worry about the time difference. It's going to be in London, which is six hours ahead of us. Yeah. Well, yeah. So if it goes on at 8 o'clock at night there, it's going to be 2 in the afternoon here.
It's going to be an all day event obviously with all the names. So we'll see how they do that. That's going to be interesting. Yeah. So they may run it on the tape delay if you want, or they run it live and you want to get up early. All for the option I would think would be the smart thing to do. Yeah, I agree.
You know, one thing that I, okay, Ozzy said that he's only going to do bits and pieces of Sabbath Petunia. Yeah, not whole songs. Yeah. And we're talking about that having the melody, a medley, you know. Yeah, he's going to do that. And, you know, and probably he'll do a couple of whole solo songs if he's able to and probably a medley of them too.
And then I think it will be a lot like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Dutch where he's sitting there in a wheelchair watching other people and he's over smiling. Yeah. Yeah, seriously. I think if that's all he's able to do is just sit on stage and chair while the songs are played around him and he never makes a sound.
I think he will be all right with that. People don't care. Yeah. People just want to see him and hear his music and enjoy his last public performance. Yeah. Whatever he's able to do, it's going to be fine.
And after this, I know he's doing all his podcasts and new songs and stuff like that. I'll bet you will not see hardly anything of him. Yeah. Whatever we'll get has already been produced. Yes. It's nothing that's going to happen from this point on. Yeah, I think so.
I did see there was a video the other day I saw on YouTube about celebrities and they've had health issues. And Ozzy was not one of the ones listed, but he was in the little preview trailer. And it was footage that somebody got of him walking down the street.
And he's leaning to the left and he's he's stumping like Frankenstein. And it looked just the way my dad walked. Yeah, because my dad had Parkinson's. And I thought, well, that's pretty mean to use that image of Ozzy as a come on to get you to watch the video.
We spoke about this on the music creeps a little while back. And I noticed I saw that. I saw that walk. Well, unfortunately, one of my best friends, probably my best friend, Davey, his mom passed away from Parkinson's. Ozzy's face. He has Parkinson's face. Yeah.
And that's where you're you would know because your dad had it. That's where your jaw becomes square because you're clenched up because that disease is affecting the way you talk and everything. Yeah, it's kind of a grimace. Yeah, it's kind of a grimace. It's like a frozen hell.
So it sucks because he's he's in the in the advanced stages of it, I would say. So but I want to see Jakey Lee and Zach are going to be there. I'd love to see them play together. Oh, yeah. You know, two of the best known ever since Randy Rhoades can't be here.
He's been in the great beyond since 1982. So Jakey Lee and Zach are the most prolific, most well known two guitarists that Ozzy has had. He's used other guitars and an album here or there. Yeah. Or on tour. But primarily it's been Jakey Lee and Zach Watt.
The opportunity like this to get them to play together, especially in these circumstances, you don't want to miss that opportunity. No, no. So I would love to see them both play together. Yeah. It would be great if Ozzy did a song with both of them. Oh, that would be cool. Yeah, the thing that would never happen happened.
Yeah, but as bad as I thought it was, though, evidently, according to Jakey Lee, he got a call when Zach and Ozzy were kind of button heads or something. And Ozzy is going to go a different direction. And I think this is when he hired Gus G to do that.
I forgot to name that album. And it wasn't, it was okay. It wasn't that good. Gus G to me is an okay. He's fast. No feeling. Just goes back there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of his. I think his stuff is fair at best. Now you talk about musically correct and tight and talented. Yes. Yeah, but if it leaves you emotionally cold, then. Yeah, you're just going to scream is the name of it. And it's, it's horrible.
So, and then he did the downtune and stuff and not the cool stuff, the stuff that where you downtune because you don't really know what downtuning is about. Yeah. So it sounds like they were trying to capitalize on a fad at the time. They didn't really care about making songs that were last. Yeah, they like let's take advantage of this moment in time.
And some of it was settled right now. Someone came up to Ozzy and said, you got to put out now. What? Okay. We got you this new guitarist, man. You know, you know, Zach, we're getting along. Well, before they got Gus G, I believe they called Jakey Lee and Jakey Lee demanded credits for Bark at the Moon. And, and I guess Sharon said, we'll get back with you.
That's where the big money is really is songwriting credits. Yeah. Because then you get paid every time it's played on the radio, you paid every time it's performed live. It's yeah. And all this is allegedly, this is what Jake said. According to him also, allegedly, he got held out a window like 10 stories upside down. Like vanilla ice did. Yes. Yeah.
And so, and per Sharon, that's what he said. So I mean, but he is gonna be there and Sharon's there. So maybe it was true. I don't know. So but then again, you're talking about people that sling mud at each other all the time. And then when you see them, they get along. It was kind of like how disheartened I felt when Obama and Trump were knee slapping about everything. They look like childhood best friends. Yeah. Yeah.
So you realize what kind of show they put on for us. Yeah. Yeah. Politicians, entertainers, everybody fucking hate each other. Right. Right. That's what they want us to think. You're fucking knee slapping and he hawn at Jimmy Carter's funeral. And I'm like, okay, anyone that didn't see that ruse is an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. There's going to come a day when we realize that the two sides that we watch fighting each other are just the left and right hand to the same person. Yeah.
Yeah. Yes. And it's just been a show to distract us. Yeah. Yep. They all get what they all get their thing. And I'll get their thing. Yeah. Everybody with us is getting their cut. Yes. Yep. We're getting distracted. So we keep paying for it all. Yep. Okay. So anyhow, I don't blame anybody for being mad about the ticket prices are astronomical. And the secondary markets can be worse. It shows that they don't care about the average fan just like the Super Bowl that outprices I mean, there are some regular fans that
can afford to go to the Super Bowl. But this sounds just ungodly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Eagles ticket prices, you know, when they were like over $1,000. Oh, I hate them. They must think they shit gold or something. I hate the Eagles. I can't stand it. Matter of fact, I got to where I don't even like your music. My wife still likes the Eagles. And occasionally, she'll be listening to the song. And a lot of times I'll just get up and leave the room because I just can't stand them. Oh, me neither. Oh, it's
like that. That rock and roll part two. Yeah, because Gary glitter. He's such a raging unapologetic pedophile. Yeah, I can't even stand to hear that song. Yeah, he's in prison in London. He was he was let out from the last defense and petitioned and promised to be a good boy. And they said, okay, we'll allow you to have a cell phone. And with weekly checks or frequent checks. And the first time they checked,
it there was child pornography. So it's like, oh, here you go. Right back to prison. And every time he claims it's not my fault. I didn't do anything wrong. And just, you know, he never, never will admit he did anything. So I can't stand to listen to his music.
No, me neither. And you used to hear it in all the sports venues. Now you don't hear it anywhere. It's been banned and rightfully so. I heard it like a year ago. I heard it at a family member's wedding reception. And I thought, oh, my God, don't they know what song they're playing?
They probably don't. I guess they didn't. But you know, it was a DJ and then you really most DJs know they should know you don't play that song because the guys are raging unapologetic pedophiles. And yeah, and being a pedophile is enough. But he doesn't care.
No, he's like, yeah, yeah, there's there's a number of Southeast Asian countries that refuse to let him in because he's such a threat and a danger is like, yeah, you're never getting in crossing our borders. I don't want to hear his song.
No, I don't either. So anyhow, I have some 2025 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees here.
Love it.
So, yeah, I'll take a little bit more. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Topher has like a craft full of coffee here, which is excellent.
Yeah, it's probably just a peel of the coffee. You can always make more.
Oh, yeah. That's a good thing about coffee. You can always make more.
Thank you.
It's kind of nice sitting here doing the podcast and hearing all the traffic down the street below.
I know. It's pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, it was really nice of them to let us in here.
Yeah.
And of course, we're at the famous Rubio's at Times Square.
It's really one of the first times I've been back to New York, the state of New York, since I was born here.
Oh, wow. I didn't know you were born here.
Yeah, I was born in Rochester.
Okay.
And I don't really remember Rochester, but lived here, lived in Rochester until I was like two or three. And I'm told that at one point we went across the border into Canada when we visited Niagara Falls.
So you're almost Canadian.
Yeah. Well, Rochester is real close to Canada, too. It's just like right down the road from Buffalo.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Yeah, it gets lake effect snow like Buffalo does.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's just kind of weird being in New York and knowing I was born here. I don't feel like a New Yorker. I feel like a Missourian because I've lived most of my life in Kansas City.
I was nearly born all over the world.
Yeah.
I'm glad I was born here. So, okay, the 2025 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees are Billy Idol.
Do you like it?
I do, too. I think he deserves to go in.
He's such an entertainer.
Yeah.
He's going strong. He's got great voice and he's never destroyed. He's avoided controversy. I mean, it's awesome.
Yeah. I like the guy. I think he deserves in.
His guitar player, Steve Stevens, is pretty awesome.
He's fucking awesome.
Yeah.
They created kind of like their own genre of music. I always call it like slap punk.
Oh, yeah, because they're definitely a punk flair.
But it's not really punk. It's kind of like almost rockabilly, swing meets punk.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good way to describe it.
To me, it just sounds like slap punk, whatever the fuck that is.
And no matter what the song, it sounds like good time, fun music. It's not heavy or down. It's something you can get excited to.
Yeah, and he always did that mouth grid.
Oh, yeah, when you like twitch the side of his lip up, kind of like Sylvester Stallone did.
Yeah.
Only it looks better on Billy Idol.
Yeah, it looks better. And also he did that almost Elvis type of rock.
Oh, yeah, he had a real crooner voice when he wanted to.
And Pink stole his haircut.
Yeah, yes he did. It looks better on Billy Idol.
Yeah, especially since Pink is turning out to be one of Hitty's friends.
True, true. That's going to be interesting when all that comes out, but that's a whole other subject when we talk about that next.
Yeah, it's music so we get to talk about it.
Yes. Chubby Checker.
I like it. Yeah, he was very influential.
Yes. I mean, he may not have had like a whole plethora of hits, but what he had is iconic.
Yeah, it's a good way to put it.
Next one, Bad Company.
Yeah, they've been on it before and they've never made it.
Really good songwriters, really just basic, simple blues-based British rock.
I mean, actually, wouldn't Paul Rodgers have a good shot at being there on his own? Maybe even better than Bad Company?
Yeah, his body of work includes Bad Company and the firm.
Free.
And he's done a few other things.
Paul Revere and Ray, is one of you in that?
I don't know, I don't know.
Well, anyhow, he has a big body of work.
Yeah, there's some of the else he's worked with, I'm trying to remember. I'll look it up. Yeah, his body of work is more than his Bad Company.
No, was it Cream? No, it was not Cream.
He's primarily a vocalist, but he can play guitar.
And piano, too.
Yeah.
Okay, so Bad Company has been there before. I would put them in, but you know.
This next one I have no idea about, and Manna. M-A-N-A, or Manna.
I'm not familiar with Manna.
Alright, next. The Black Crows.
They're okay, but I don't see a whole lot of theme material out of them.
Certain people think they're the greatest band ever, and that's it. And everyone else knows them for what they are. Some band.
You know, there's another band that had a similar kind of southern soulful rock style called the Screamin' Cheetah Wheelers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were so much better at it than the Black Crows were.
The Romantics were another one that kind of had that, and then there's an even better one that I can't even think of right now.
But I thought that they deserved to be in more than Black Crows. Hopefully I'll think of it.
The next one, and I don't agree with this at all, is one of the most overrated bands ever, in my opinion.
Oasis.
Ugh. Oh my god. If you can get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by imitating the Beatles, then you shouldn't be in anything.
And being from Liverpool, and a bad imitation at that.
Their musical knowledge put up against the Beatles would be like a square inch against a mountain.
I mean, all the influences that the Beatles had, what they did to come up with music, how they approached it, all the minds working together in different areas.
They're not even close.
It's like putting a tribute band in the Hall of Fame.
Yes.
It's stupid.
And not even a good tribute band.
No, no. They were all attitude and image, the Fighting Brothers and the Meaders.
I got tired of that so fast.
I'd rather have the Fighting McCartys and Lennons. McCartys and Lennons.
There's like three or four songs by Oasis that I like and I can listen to and the rest is like, no thanks.
But it's like, it's not left.
No.
There is not a Sgt. Pepper song.
No.
There is not a White Album on there.
I think my favorite song by Oasis is Champagne Supernova, Where Were You When We Were Getting High.
Oh yeah, yeah.
That one's fun.
Wonderwall is probably my favorite.
Wonderwall, yeah.
There's some really good covers of Wonderwall too.
There's really good covers.
Wonderwall to me is just a ditty that hurts.
It's nothing fancy.
It's a very simple song.
Yeah, it is.
Very easy to play.
At one point I could play it.
I probably can't now.
Yeah.
I think it's one of those four chord songs.
I'm sure it is.
It might even be three actually.
I think I saw a video where the guy was showing us four chords and they're all done right
up at the top of the neck.
Yes.
At the far end of the neck.
If you learn those four positions you can play Wonderwall all day.
Yeah, and that's why a lot of heavy hard rock music always gets goofed out of the room
is because a lot of that is... It doesn't mean it doesn't sound good.
It doesn't mean it's not a good song.
It just means that it's easy to fucking play.
Yeah.
Then there's the scale that death metal uses.
Are you familiar?
There's a scale that virtually every death metal song is on.
It's a scale.
It all sounds about the same.
The only difference is the rhythm you put on it.
Yeah, that's true.
Okay, so next would be Mariah Carey.
Not for me, but she has a big body of work.
Yeah, it's weird.
I wouldn't think Mariah Carey is rock and roll.
How would Christmas be without Mariah Carey in her underwear?
Better.
Yeah, besides that.
Okay, yeah, I stand corrected.
This next one I don't agree with at all, Outkast.
Even if I was in that genre of music, they don't have that body of work.
Yeah.
I mean, I know they're trying to get a bigger variety of people coming in, but couldn't
they have picked a better one?
You would think.
Yeah.
I looked up the seven musical modes.
It's not scales, it's modes.
There's Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolodian, Aeolian, and Locrian.
And they all sound slightly different.
Is it death metal?
I don't know how you would look at the death metal scale.
Yeah, I'm trying to look up what's most common in different styles of music.
But somebody was noting the other day, there's like this old Alice Cooper track from 1971,
and people were complaining that they didn't know how to write music and they were just
basic and simple.
So in this one song, Halo of Flies, they put in about three or four different modes and
alternated between them, and it was like, there, now you can see that we can write music.
Hey, he was a Pink Floyd fan.
He was a Pink Floyd fan, so why wouldn't he?
The truth is, Alice Cooper is a very good musician.
Yeah, and he had a hell of a producer for that time period.
Oh, geez, yeah, he was.
Yeah, you're not kidding.
Okay, this next one, I agree 100%, should already be there.
And that's Soundgarden.
Oh, yeah, it should have been there a long time ago.
If you're me, you use the proper German pronunciation, that's Soundgarden.
No, Soundgarden should have been there a long time ago.
The best grunge band ever, without a doubt, my favorite.
Yeah, I like them better than just about anybody else.
I mean, like, Alice and Change really well.
Pearl Jam, meh.
I'm not a big Pearl Jam fan.
They are too U2-ish.
Yeah, their first album, 10, was pretty good.
It was good because...
And then after that, it just got weird.
Yes, yeah, and they were trying to follow, in my opinion, U2's legacy about,
hey, we're gonna put out a funk album, hey, we're gonna put out a jazz album,
hey, this is nothing but hits, top 40.
I mean, to me, they should have kept the 10 formula,
and they might be up there with the rest of it.
To me, Nirvana's nice, but that's about it.
So, anyhow.
One of the problems with Pearl Jam, in my opinion, is the drummer they had for the first couple albums,
David Cruz, Cruisin, and the Cruz are Cruisin.
Cruisin, I believe.
Cruisin, yeah.
Eddie Vetter didn't like him, didn't want him.
He wanted Jack Irons as the drummer.
And so, Cruisin was much better.
I mean, he was an awesome drummer.
And then they got Dave Abreuzees in to replace him,
and he was okay, but he immediately became a major endorsement boy.
He was in every magazine, everywhere, endorsing every single little piece of equipment he used,
which pissed off Pearl Jam big time.
So then they finally ran him out of the band, and Eddie got Jack Iron in, the guy he wanted.
Except the guy has such crushing anxiety that he can't perform live.
He does okay in the studio.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, that was the problem with him, is why he didn't get in the band earlier.
Then they took him out on tour, and he lasted two or three dates and then bolted.
That's what happened to Izzy Stradlin, too.
Izzy Stradlin has stage fright so bad that he can't hardly walk out there.
Apparently, Barbra Streisand does, too.
Well, I could guess that.
She's got an amazing voice, but she used to shut up on social issues.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, she has by now, because no one pays attention to her.
No one cares anymore.
Yeah, Barbra Hoot.
She's one of these people that tried to secure their legacy by acting intelligent,
but all they did was make her look worse.
All right, the next one, Phish, with a P-H.
Oh my gosh, the original Jam Band.
Yeah, I mean...
30-minute songs.
Yeah, okay, you know what, for what they are, they were the biggest, I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's a percussion shop that used to be just up the road from the Explorer's Percussion.
Yeah, I remember that.
It was owned by a friend of mine, Wes Faulkner.
On Warnel?
Uh-huh.
I was in there one time, and one of the percussionists for Phish was in there shopping,
and he found this little teeny tiny set of bongos.
Each bongo drum was like three inches in diameter,
and you held them with two fingers and you'd go, tup-tup-tup-tup-tup-tup.
And he just thought that was the coolest thing ever, and he was buying it.
And after he left, Wes said, yeah, that's percussionists for Phish.
They're playing here locally tonight or next night or something.
Oh, wow.
I thought, oh, cool.
That was the fun thing about Explorer's.
You could run into all sorts of famous and semi-famous people there.
If they were in town, that's where they shopped.
Do you remember Wes Faulkner's place called Unique Fashions?
Uh-huh.
Um, Jewish priests used to go in there all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a number of bands, and when they come to Kansas City,
there were certain stores and shops they'd go to.
Unique Fashions was the, I guess it would be glam and heavy metal fashion place
of Kansas City and probably the Midwest.
Yeah, yeah.
And that guy, I forgot his name.
He was associated with Banshee a lot.
Was it West Fallmaker or something like that?
No, it wasn't a Banshee.
Wait a minute.
There's a friend of his.
Shit, I can't remember my names from back then.
But anyhow, it was open down there.
It was right next to the Lone Star.
Yeah.
In a little bitty place.
But he used to do the fashions for like,
uh, Jewish priests during their kind of glam period, whatever.
Yeah.
Um, and all these other bands he did.
Outfit Store, Motley Crue, stuff like that.
And, uh, anyhow, Jewish priests used to come in there
and bullshit with them all the time.
And there was other bands too.
I think Bon Jovi might have been one of them that came in there.
Oh, I can see that.
Yeah, bullshitting with them.
And, uh, you know, people go in there all the time
and they'd see somebody, you know,
I saw them on a poster.
Is that David Cobra down?
Yeah, yeah, you got me.
Yeah.
So.
Is John Karabi out there pretending to be somebody else?
No, that was, uh, the, uh, the guitarist for my, um.
Type O negative?
Type O negative, yeah.
Yeah.
I keep forgetting his fucking name though.
I just think it would be cool if John Karabi did the opposite.
It's like, hey, I'm the guy from type O negative.
I know.
I wonder if he ever has.
I wonder if he even knew that happened.
Probably not.
You know, when I went and saw John Karabi, uh,
in a little club, right, and I met him and talked to him for a while,
I forgot to tell him that story.
I was going to tell him that story.
He wouldn't have been kicked out of that.
Oh, I'm sure he would have.
Very friendly, very accessible guy.
He's just a guy.
Yeah.
Good songwriter.
Yeah, really good songwriter.
I wish him and Mick would...
I don't know what Mick's deal is.
He said the stuff that they released was not worth it.
I think the stuff that he released now is not worth it.
And the stuff before with Karabi was.
Oh, I love that album with Karabi on it.
That was...
The one that Motley Crue is removing from all the streaming services.
It's going to be the album that never existed.
Nikki Sixx wants her baby to fucking hate him.
Yeah.
So, anyhow, fuck him, man.
That was one of their best albums.
Yeah.
So, anyhow, what should have happened is when Motley Crue had stalled out like they did,
Nikki Sixx should have reached out to John Karabi and said,
Hey, you think me, you and Mick could maybe do something?
Or maybe even Tommy too?
I mean, you know, well, you probably need Tommy.
Yeah.
And you may or may not even need Mick.
I mean, you know, because John Karabi is a strong songwriter,
but I think you really need Mick because Mick knows the same beat.
Yeah.
John Karabi is good, but he doesn't have that sound.
He doesn't have the tone Mick does.
Yeah, yeah, you can hear that in Led Zeppelin when at a certain point
Jimmy Page quit writing the music and the bass player John Paul Jones.
Oh, no, it's John Paul Jones.
Yeah, he started writing...
He was writing them on piano.
And the whole sound of Zeppelin really changed.
Yeah.
It really did.
And how about a Robert Plant solo and he plays a lot of guitar?
Yeah.
And he's very good.
He has a very distinct style.
I mean, Big Log is a classic.
Oh, that's an excellent song.
Pictures of Eleven.
I forgot the name of the hit off of that.
Really, really interesting song.
You can hear some of Zeppelin's influence in it.
Yeah, I'm trying to remember too.
I'm stuck on all I can think of is Big Log.
Yeah, Big Log's so good.
So Big Log is as good as anything Zeppelin has done.
It's on the same tier, at the same level.
It is such a classic.
He plays the majority of the guitar on it.
And then you get up to a Manic Nirvana and Jimmy Page is playing a lot of guitar on it.
Yes, it is.
He took samples, didn't he?
Yeah, they used samples and Jimmy played.
I think at that time, Jimmy was splitting his time between Robert Plant's solo stuff and Carbondale Page.
Yeah, yeah, Carbondale Page would never ever get the accolades it deserves.
That album was brilliant.
Oh, that's in heavy rotation in my car.
Oh, I love it.
That is a fantastic album.
And it was interesting because it was always my...
What I understood was, Page, not Page, but Plant and Carbondale were not friends.
No, I wouldn't think.
Yeah, because Robert Plant felt like he was ripped off completely with David Coverdell.
And David Coverdell felt like he'd done his own thing and didn't do it.
I can see Coverdell's point.
It's like, this is the voice I was born with and it sounds close to yours, but oh well, then's them's the breaks.
Well, yeah, and also, I mean, I don't know if it's true or not, but supposedly when Richie Blackmore was looking for a new lead singer,
that he wanted someone like Robert Plant.
It's like, Ian Gillan's great and all that, but I want more of a screamer, a guy with that like banshee type of a screaming voice.
Yeah, Dory and Gillan was such a pure singer with the falsettos and the lows and everything that he could do.
He wanted someone that could come out and go, you know, boo, I need your love, you know.
Yeah, that raw kind of scream.
Yes, and that's what he got with him.
And David Coverdell, I know him on stage, he does look like he mimics Plant.
But you could say that for a million other singers too.
Oh yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
I mean, there's a limit number of moves you can make.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you see people making moves and it's going to creep into what you do.
It just kind of happens, but I think at that point people were looking for similarities between the two.
Oh, but the whole point I was getting at is this right here.
Does Coverdell let go, hey, when you go over there to watch, you tell him, fuck you?
And then Robert Plant's like, hey man, are you going to go over there and see that fucking Coverdell guy?
Yeah, yeah, we're going to record some stuff tonight.
Tell him to fucking leave my shit alone, get off my bag.
Or was Jimmy trying to reunite them? Come on guys, come on.
Look, Rob's having tea tonight. Do you want to come over? He said it's okay if you come over.
No, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think it's going to work.
So anyhow, alright, so Phish with a PH. Joy Division slash New Order.
They were kind of an important band in punk, post-punk.
If you go by bands that are in, you'd say yeah, no issue.
So yeah, this next one I think should have been in a while back was Joe Cocker.
Oh yeah, we had a lot of people. I personally wasn't all that thrilled with him, but a lot of people were.
No, I'm not a huge fan either, but I know a lot of people that loved him, and he had quite a few influential songs.
So I don't know, I don't recall him ever being up on the ballot, and I don't think he's going to make it.
I don't think he's going to get it. He just doesn't have that kind of a swagger when you hear his name.
It doesn't come in like oh yeah, people are like Joe Cocker, yeah, he was cool.
Yeah, he would have made it a lot easier 20 years ago.
I don't agree with this next one, only because they only really had one or two albums, The White Stripes.
Oh yeah.
No, I'm saying absolutely not.
I never understood why everybody was so in love with The White Stripes.
No, this is why they're on here. So many people are in love with them. Not a popularity thing. I mean, yeah.
I mean, not in album sales.
Again, that's probably one that's going to draw a lot of visitors, so that's why they're on the ballot.
It's because they don't increase attendance.
Well, this next one I agree with, and only because I think that she came out with a whole different attitude on the genre of music that was already going on.
And that's Cyndi Lauper.
Oh yeah.
Think of her, girls just want to have fun.
Yeah.
And it became colorful, happy.
She had Captain Lou Obano on there as her father.
I mean, you know, the whole thing was brilliant.
And she brought a whole new ump to that type of the music.
And then she followed it up with like Time After Time and some of that.
Beautiful ballad.
Yes. I think that she deserves to be on there and should have been on there a long time ago.
Exactly.
Yeah. That's it. That's all of them. I think they kind of dissected that pretty good.
I was just going to bring up two points of trivia. The song Girls Just Want To Have Fun.
Cyndi Lauper has alternately admitted and then denied and then admitted back and forth whether or not the song is about masturbation.
I didn't know that.
Sometimes she said, yeah, that's what it's about. Another time she's like, no, no, it's not really.
So she goes back and forth on whether the song is about female masturbation. Girls Just Want To Have Fun.
Oh.
It's supposed to, it's the subtext is it's about women masturbating.
Okay. Maybe so.
Yeah. And then the other thing I was going to mention is the Banjoi Division.
Not many people know where they got their name.
During World War II, the Nazi government put together this traveling brothel to take care of the soldiers.
Smart idea.
They didn't just draft hookers and street walkers and o-lifes. This was like the cream of German girls.
And it was supposed to be an honor to go out and service these young fighting men.
And the intention was for these girls to get as pregnant as quickly as possible and as often as possible to breed lots of babies for the fatherland.
Something Elon Musk has been talking about.
Yeah, I know he has. I know.
But when you start getting to what I consider borderline eugenics.
Yeah.
See, the whole idea of this was they took blue-eyed blonde white girls and they were having to breed with blue-eyed blonde white guys.
So they would have Aryan babies.
So it was nicknamed the Joy Division. The part of the government that was in charge of that.
Because there was an expression in Nazi Germany, strength through joy.
But people modified that to say, I lost strength through joy. Meaning, I fucked so much with the Joy Division I don't have strength to fight anymore.
So it was started out as this monstrous ugly eugenics breeding program.
And then quickly became a pornographic joke within Germany.
So that was the idea behind that name. So it kind of gives new perspective on the band.
That was the name they wanted for themselves.
That's pretty cool. But I still say this, Spartan. They had it right.
If you bang your partner, you're going to really really fucking defend them.
Yeah, there's actually been, more often than not through history, homosexuality was encouraged in the armed forces.
Because that made you fight for the guy next to you even more.
I was just joking. I didn't know that.
No, no. It has only been in the last 100 to 150 years.
Actually really only the last 100 or so years that homosexuality in the armed forces has really been discouraged and looked down on and forcefully tried to remove.
But for the most of human history, no one cared.
In fact, they thought it was a good idea. Like you were saying, well he makes you fight for the guy next to you.
You banged him last night.
That is true. I was just joking around.
That is reality. That is reality.
Well, I mean the Spartans did it. They were pretty good at fighting.
Yeah, they made movies about him.
Yes they did.
Anyhow, you got some stuff you wanted to go into or did you want to talk any more about the Hall of Fame?
I think we got about covered there.
I came up with some new information on the suicide of Austin's lead singer, Brad Belk.
This is a guy that took charcoal briquettes.
Yeah, he bought a bunch of charcoal grills, the small ones, and lit them all in his apartment.
For carbon monoxide.
Yeah, and he sealed up the door and everything. In fact, he left a note on the outside of the door telling people, said, you know, this place is going to be full of carbon monoxide to protect yourself when you come in.
What a thoughtful suicidal person.
Well, we're learning a little bit more about why he chose to end his life.
He seemed to be kind of in a tough situation in the band. He was kind of caught in between some of the more prominent and strong personalities.
He was getting overruled a lot. He was getting kind of pushed around. So he wasn't really enjoying his time in Boston anymore.
He had a fiancee, and I'm leaving all the names out of the people because that really doesn't matter.
So he had this fiancee, and he wound up cheating on her and got caught.
So he had to, he couldn't stay with her anymore. He moved in with her sister, oddly enough.
And I guess so she could keep an eye on him while he learned his way back in the good graces.
But while he was at the sister's house, he installed a hidden camera to record the sister and her boyfriend having sex so he could watch them later.
Wow.
And they discovered the camera and confronted him with it. And they said, you've got to go tell your fiancee what you've been doing or we're going to tell her.
And he said, okay, give me a couple of days to gather myself and I'll go admit everything.
Well, he had no intention of ever telling her. That's when he decided to kill himself.
He was too embarrassed to tell his fiancee, I've been secretly recording your sister and your boyfriend having sex and watching them.
He couldn't face that, so he ended his life.
Wow.
Creepy.
Yeah.
Creepy.
Geez.
See, getting into the rock and roll business kind of fucks you up a little bit.
I think anyone that makes it automatically a little fucked up.
Yeah, I think you've got to be a little messed up to get there and then once you get there, your screw up is encouraged.
Yes, yeah.
It's like, all right, hey, let's watch this guy fall now. We built him up. That's what you do.
Anyway, so I have a list, speaking of death, I have a list of musicians that died in 2024.
Oh, okay.
So I thought we'd go through some of the more prominent ones.
Oh, I got a new death parody that's going to be on the next douchebags.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
Do you watch them?
Yeah.
Listening for them.
Yeah.
How do you watch them?
Well, we're going to do video because evidently you got to.
Yeah.
I've got my room the way you can see the majority of the odd shit.
Yeah.
You know, so.
It's a little ways off, but.
It's coming.
Yeah. Maybe we can even do a double, a dual split like you here.
Oh, a split screen, yeah.
And if Rob can do it too, maybe we can do a three-way split screen.
That'd be cool.
Yeah, it's all possible.
We can do like the Brady Bunch on the Flip of the Timber Off.
Yeah.
I mean, look like I'm looking at you with my finger up. You look like you're looking at Rob with your finger up.
Anyhow.
Or it could be like that show on the NFL Network, Good Morning Football.
Oh, yeah.
They show them all in different windows on the screen, except they're sitting right next to each other in the studio.
Oh, I know.
So there's no reason to put them in different windows.
And then the stupid little fucking graphic shit that they do now.
It's like, get that out of there, man.
They're talking football. Don't put a little blue dinosaur on there.
It's like they're programming for people with the mind of a 10-year-old.
And they probably are.
Yeah, I guess so.
Go ahead. I'm sorry.
All right. David Soler.
Remember him?
Yeah, he played StarSky.
StarSky on StarSky and Hutch?
Or maybe he was Hutch. I can't remember.
I think he was StarSky as a blonde hair boy.
But he actually had a hit song, Don't Give Up on This Baby.
Don't give up on this baby.
Anyway, you can look it up.
But he had actually had a big hit with that.
I believe it.
So, he's musing.
James Kotak from the Scorpions. K-O-T-T-A-K, I'm not sure.
Kotak.
The original bassist?
I didn't look him up. I just saw that he was in the Scorpions.
Okay, any.
Mary Weiss, who was in the Shangri-La's.
That was an older group.
Wayne Kramer from the MC5.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, MC5 had the famous song, Kick Out the Jams, Motherfuckers.
Yeah, he smelled that old, wasn't he?
No, they were...
Well, he was probably...
If he was alive, he'd probably be in his 70s.
Oh, really? Okay.
So, yeah, when MC5 came out with Kick Out the Jams, Motherfuckers,
that really triggered a big surge of censorship in music and sales records and stores.
Watch out for us. Your friends are watching.
Yeah, no, I remember that.
Because I remember thinking, MC5's mentioned on this?
And then I got to doing a little bit...
Oh, okay, got it.
I think MC5 stood for Motor City Five,
because they're five guys in the band and they're from Detroit.
I believe that's true.
All right, Aston Family Man Barrett from Bob Marley and the Whalers.
Okay.
Toby Keith.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Country guy.
Yeah, that's too bad.
The guy with the super low voice, or is that Trace Adkins?
That's Trace Adkins.
He did the I Love America stuff.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he was a very likable guy, and he wasn't that old.
Cancer got him. Oh, my God.
I saw a before and after picture of that guy.
Yeah, I swear.
Indeed, yeah.
Yeah.
Henry Fambro, who was in the Spinners.
The Spinners was a 50s, 60s kind of band.
Yeah.
Okay.
Eric Carman.
He was the lead singer for the Razz Berries.
They had the hits on Go all the way.
Uh-huh.
He also had a solo career.
He had hits with All By Myself.
All by myself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hate that song.
I do, too.
And he also had a hit with Hungry Eyes.
Yeah, I like that song.
Hungry Eyes.
Yeah, that was, I didn't know, I forgot that that was Eric Carman.
I forgot that was him, too.
I thought Hungry Eyes was by, like, I don't know, oh, shit.
I'm trying to think of the bands, you know, like the Bow Wow Wows.
Yeah, some of the more pop-y kind of bands.
Yeah, I forgot who I thought that was, but I remember seeing it go, wow, I forgot that
was Eric Carman.
Yeah.
I'll be curious, I'll even look up and see if he wrote it.
It didn't sound like something he'd write.
I don't, there might have been a band before that that did that, but anyway.
Yeah, it does not seem like something he would write, right?
No.
Next we have Chris Cross from Ultravox.
Not Christopher Cross.
No, no, no, Chris Cross.
It was different, but Chris Cross.
Ultravox started out as a guitar-based band, and then like a year later they were all synthesizer.
Yeah.
My oldest brother went to see them live back in the 80s, and he said number one was loud
as hell, and number two, the drummer had clear drums like John Bonham did, and he had strobes
put in all of them, and they were triggered when you would hit the drum.
Kind of cool.
And then when you hit the drum, they turned out all the lights, and it was just this wild
flashing strobe effect with the drummer.
That was amazing.
He said, I don't care how it sounded, it just looked cool.
Hey, is that a bat up there?
It's kind of dusk.
I think it is.
Look at that.
Cool.
I went to, what was it, the Omaha Zoo?
Uh-huh.
Yeah, and they had like this big bat house.
Maybe it was the Portland Zoo.
They have a big one too.
No, Omaha has that too.
Yeah, I've been to the Omaha, and the St. Louis, and the Portland Zoos.
But anyways, this giant big indoor bat house, and you could look at them all hanging upside
down.
They had the lights keyed to where we could see them, they couldn't see us, so they thought
it was dark.
And I was stunned at how many of these bats were masturbating.
Like everywhere you looked, there was a bat with his wiener out, and he stroked him.
It was nuts.
I wonder if Batman did that.
I found out bats have actually really long wieners, I found out.
And my kids were like 10 and 8 at the time.
Daddy, what are they doing?
Shut up.
I told them the truth.
I said, well, they're playing with themselves.
They're playing with their penis.
And there was a mom next to me who gave me real dirty looks, like, well, that's the truth,
woman.
You don't lie to your kid.
Go somewhere else to lie to your kid.
I tell my kids the truth.
Either I don't tell them, or I tell them the truth.
I don't lie to my kids.
Look, sooner or later, they're going to be doing it too.
That's true.
Not to be gross, but you know.
Next up, Jerry Conway, who played with Jethro Tull and the Fairport Convention.
Two very different bands.
I just read an article, Jethro Tull was talking about Tony Iommi being in the band.
Turns out that the songs that he did, they didn't release.
So a song that I thought was his was not his, it was some other guy.
I hope we get to hear it someday.
He said nothing about that.
Ian Anderson.
He's not getting any younger either.
No, they got him to fill in for somebody, and then they gave him, they said you can have
his part, and he said, nah, he said I'm more of a Sabbath guy.
And he was worried about, he had his hat over his head, and he was trying to do it incognito
because he was going to get rimmed by the guys for being in Jethro Tull because they
weren't a heavy, heavy band.
So anyhow, it was an interesting article because I didn't realize that they considered Jethro
Tull like poppy then.
Who would have thought?
Yeah, some of their songs had a real folk kind of flair to them.
Yeah, but if you see the one video that he's in, he has his hat down and is live at somewhere.
But anyhow, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Let's see, who's that?
Michael Ward from the Wallflowers.
That was Bob Dylan's kid who had the band.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
One head live.
CJ Snare from Firehouse.
With a name like CJ Snare, I'm guessing he's the drummer.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know where he died from.
Not sure, I really didn't look these up, I just wrote down the names.
The guy that bothered me was 2025 John Sykes.
I loved his guitar work, he was so overrated.
Speaking of guitar, Dicky Betts, the original guitar players from the All New Brothers band.
He passed.
Jack Green from T-Rex.
That was the 60s band.
Mike Pender from the Moody Blues.
I think he was a keyboard player.
I think so, yeah.
And a songwriter.
Yeah, he came up with some good shit.
The Moody Blues had some really awesome tunes.
Not every song on the album is going to be a winner.
Some of them were pretty mellow and out there.
The ones that hit were really, really good.
They were kind of out there in the way Yes was out there, but Moody Blues didn't go in for the musicianship that Yes did.
They were more steady and mellow and lots of strings.
Knights of White Satin would be one that most people would recognize in Moody Blues.
But they have so much stuff that people probably heard but don't know it was them.
Yeah, yeah, because their songs can sound very different.
Like, that's Moody Blues? I had no idea.
And then you go, that's Moody Blues, too.
They were very versatile, but they were, like you said, they didn't do the different pieces of the musicianship that Yes, but they were kind of in that category.
Would you call them frog-on?
Yeah, I think so.
I think so, too, in a different type of way.
Dwayne Eddy, rock and roll guitarist from the late 50s and 60s.
He had a couple of hits, but mostly he was part of that surf rock and roll and rockabilly kind of sound.
Like Dick Dale or something?
Dick Dale?
That's a good one.
Yeah, okay, Eddie Al.
Oh, shit, sorry.
Richard Tandy from ELO. He was a keyboard player.
Oh, wow, that's too bad. I like him.
Yeah, I remember, you know, Richard Tandy, what is he, does he own Radio Shack?
Yeah, yeah, yes.
Because I keep thinking of, you know, the two nutbags with the cheap Tandy recorder.
Yeah, yeah, two dip shits with the cheap, but I did re-record that and now it's a realistic.
Yeah, I like the new version of that.
And I put in another two dip shits with a cheap radio-listic tape recorder.
I put in an extra one of them just for effect, just to piss everybody off even a little bit more.
All right, John Barbata, he was with the Turtles, CSN, and Jefferson Airplane.
Oh, that's where I remember him.
I remember him to Jefferson Airplane.
Yeah, I do too. The rest I don't know.
Dennis Machine Gun Thompson, also of the MC5.
Wow, they had a bad year, didn't they?
Yeah, they did.
John Hawken from the Nashville Teens and the Straubs. I've heard of the Straubs.
I have too, the Nashville Teens, not so much.
Randy Fuller from the Bobby Fuller Four. I grew up with them.
I'm not familiar at all, but...
Charlie Collin from Train.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Drops of Jupiter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I guess Drops of Jupiter was like the big one.
Yeah, the song I like best of them is called Ordinary.
Ordinary.
It's sort of the Spider-Man soundtrack. Oh, I love that song.
Yeah, that's good.
And then the other one I think was called Drops of Jupiter and that was pretty much the love song type of thing.
Yeah.
Hey, how are you?
John Wasaki from Stained.
Wow.
Yeah, he was a younger guy.
Yeah.
Betty Dragstra from Pussycat. I got to look her up.
I don't recall how she looked, but I do recall Pussycat.
Yeah. Joe Egan from Steeler's Wheel. They had the hit Stuck in the Middle with You.
Stuck in the Middle with You.
If you've ever seen Reservoir Dogs, there's a very famous scene that plays that song.
I got to watch that movie again.
Every time I hear that song, that's all I think about is that scene with Joe. Is that Mr. Blonde?
Yeah.
Oh, and speaking of that, there's some really good scenes in The Landman.
Oh, yeah. I earmarked that podcast after you mentioned it to me.
Yeah, yeah.
That's going to be interesting.
Yeah. I think it's on Amazon on Prime, but I think you can probably get it maybe through
hopefully Hulu or I don't know.
I found a Google podcast.
Google podcast. Okay.
David Loggins from Loggins and Messina.
Oh, okay. Cool.
They had some hits back in the early 70s.
Abdul Duqe Thaqir from The Four Tops.
Boy, a lot of musicians died. I remember The Four Tops. They were very influential. Good.
Jack Russell from Great White.
Yeah, yeah.
He passed away.
Greg Kin from The Greg Kin Band.
Oh, uh-uh, uh-uh.
They did not.
They don't write them like that anymore.
Our Love's in Jeopardy.
Yeah, and then there's another one that did that too.
Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember this other one. I know Weird Al did a version of Our Love's in Jeopardy.
We lost on Jeopardy, baby.
That was pretty awesome. It was one of those early ones.
Yeah, the one was called Rock Kin Song.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's the uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh.
Yeah.
But then there was Jeopardy and there's one more hit song.
There's another one, yeah.
Oh, well.
Um.
They were good. I liked them.
Yeah, I really did too.
Sergio Mendez. Jazz piano, keyboard, singer, percussionist, composer, arranger.
He was monstrous in the jazz scene.
You've heard of Herb Albert?
Yeah.
Herb Albert and the T. Warner brass.
Albert, yeah.
Yeah, he was heavily involved with them.
Oh, okay. All right.
Kenny Heislop from Slick and Simple Minds.
Don't you forget about him?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Made famous by a couple of movies.
Yeah.
Tito Jackson from The Jackson Five.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Tito got it too.
Yeah.
JD Souther, singer, songwriter. He worked with the Eagles and Linda Ronstadt primarily.
Okay.
He co-wrote the Eagles songs Best of My Love, Victim of Love, Heartache Tonight, You Kid
in Town. He helped write all those hits.
Wow.
Yeah. So he was way better at being a behind the scenes guy and songwriter than he was.
He still did some solo stuff. He went out and played by himself.
I consider Victim of Love one of their better songs.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah.
Dick Diamond from the Easy Beats.
Okay.
That was another 60s band.
Okay.
Nick Gravanites from Big Brother and the Holding Company. That was Janis Joplin's original
band.
Oh, okay.
See, the first two albums came out. The first one was called Big Brother and the Holding
Company. The second was called Cheap Thrills. And Janis Joplin was just a member of the
band.
Okay.
The second one, Cheap Thrills, had the song Piece of My Heart, which was a monster hit.
And at that point, she was convinced by the record company to go solo and hire up a whole
different backup band, which instead of calling Big Brother and Holding Company, it was the
Full Tilt Bookie Band.
Okay.
But they didn't have the soul that Big Brother did. Anyway, Nick Gravanites was one of the
three people hired to replace Janis Joplin.
Okay.
And then they put out another singer named Kathy Hall and then another guitar player.
So they put out two more albums and then quit.
Oh, okay.
He was in Big Brother after Janis left.
Okay, but he wasn't enduring...
He wrote a song for her called Breakdown of the Blues or something, but she never got
a chance to record it before she died. So Big Brother included it as an instrumental
version on one of their albums. And then years later in 1982 or threes, somebody included
it on a Janis Joplin compilation or tribute album or something.
Okay.
Again, she never recorded it, but...
Who's next? Roger Palm, the drummer for ABBA.
Oh, yeah.
Interesting thing. I saw a show the other day about... Remember the blonde girl in ABBA?
Yeah.
When she was older, like in her 60s, she had a stalker. Except she fell in love with her
stalker and he invited him to move in.
Wow.
And he eventually caused all sorts of trouble.
Oh, I bet he did.
Yeah. Chris Christopherson died last year.
That was last year?
That was last year.
Okay.
It must have been at the first of the... I don't know. Wow.
Martin Lee from Brotherhood of Man. I remember then from the 60s.
Yeah, yeah.
Sissy Houston, who's a soul and gospel singer. She worked with Elvis Presley.
Okay.
She passed away.
Alan Mansfield from the band Dragon.
Uh-huh.
Liam Payne from One Direction.
Paul Diano from Iron Maiden.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. He had cancer too, I believe.
Yeah. A lot of guys in Iron Maiden got cancer.
Uh-huh.
Didn't the drummer get cancer too? Or is the vocalist Bruce Dickinson?
The vocalist, Bruce Dickinson.
Yeah. Okay. I was thinking of... I think R.E.M.'s drummer had brain cancer.
Yeah, he did. He did.
Yeah. He came back from it.
Jack Jones, who was a 60s crooner.
Uh-huh.
Phil Lesh of The Grateful Dead.
Legendary music producer Quincy Jones.
Uh-huh.
Everybody has at least heard at least one Quincy Jones.
Dennis Byron, who worked with Amen Corner and the Bee Gees.
Uh-huh.
Colin Peterson, who worked with the Bee Gees.
And Bob Breyer from My Chemical Romance.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, that's what I got from musicians who passed away in 19...
I mean, in 19... in 2024.
Okay.
And I came up with the number one song on this date
as of February 18th.
The number one song on this date in 1970 was by Sly and the Family Stone,
who incidentally has a new drama documentary on Hulu.
Oh, they do?
Yeah.
Okay.
But the song was called Thank You.
And the whole version is, Thank You for Letting Me Be Myself Again.
And he spells it all phonetically.
I wanna thank you.
That's cool.
Be myself.
Anyway, it's spelled, Fletten me be mice elf again.
That's how he spelled it.
So...
That's how he sang it.
That way you would definitely sing it right.
So, moving forward five years to 1975,
the number one song was Pick Up the Pieces by Average White Band.
Oh, wow.
I remember that song.
I do, too.
Yeah, it was all right.
Yeah.
All right, Jump Head five years more to 1980,
this crazy little thing called Blood by Queen.
Oh, yeah, yep.
That was a big mess, yeah.
1985, Careless Whisper by Wham!
Wham!
Wow.
Geez.
It shows you the progression of music, doesn't it?
Yeah, what's popular with the majority of people.
Yeah.
It really changed.
1990, Opposites Attract by Paula Abdul with The Wild Pair.
Wow.
Not rock and roll anymore.
Was that like the MC Scat Cat video, was it, or something like that?
I think so.
Yeah.
And then 1985, it was Preep, but not Radiohead.
It was TLC.
Oh, wow.
Different song.
Yeah, completely different song.
Yeah.
And then after that point, you started getting songs that weren't really anything even related
to rock and roll anymore.
It was all pop and...
R&B or whatever.
Yeah, it's funny.
R&B, Rhythm and Blues.
There's nothing about the blues in it.
No, no, no.
Not a thing.
I have more respect for them calling it urban than Rhythm and Blues.
Yeah, it's a really misleading name.
It is.
Yep.
So...
And then that's what I got there.
And then all I got left is whenever you want to do it is Music Creek Storytime.
Oh, okay.
Do you want to get to that here in Lebanon?
Sure.
I got a couple of things.
Okay.
Okay, if you could only listen to ten bands the rest of your life, what would they be?
Wow.
I know.
All right, well, we've got to put down Alice Cooper.
Yep.
Chris Isaac.
I'm going to put Monster Magnet in there.
Pink Floyd.
Gordon Lightfoot.
That's five.
Wow.
I know this is kind of tough, isn't it?
It is.
I guess I'll throw Elton John in there because I grew up listening to a lot of that.
There's some songs in there I really enjoy.
My sister was a huge Elton John fan, so she brought every album he put out, so I got to
listen to them for free.
That's cool.
Gosh, who else do I listen to?
I'm kind of stalled out at six.
Huh.
Well, I'll think of some more.
I guess I'll put my music list in there and see what's on my music list.
Oh, Soundgarden.
Soundgarden, me going.
Yeah, they got some songs I definitely would want to hear again.
There's another really good one.
Maybe Alice in Chains.
Yeah.
I'll put Alice in Chains.
I'll put it too.
That'd be funny if there was a person named Alice in Chains.
Alice in Chains.
Hi, I'm Alice in Chains.
This is my brother Justin, Justin Case.
I think for a while people thought it was a spoof on Alice Cooper, but it had nothing
to do with Alice Cooper.
No.
I'm not sure how they got their name.
I'm not sure either.
I'm sure I could probably look it up, but I don't care enough to right now.
I remember getting confused when there's musician Alice Cooper, but there was also a keyboard
player musician named Al Cooper who was spelled with a K. And I thought, is this the same
person?
Just kind of changed his name and then I realized, no, it's a totally different person.
Yeah.
And there was one time when Al Cooper appeared on an Alice Cooper album and I was like, okay,
this is really freaky.
Yeah, Al Cooper and Alice Cooper.
I'm stuck at eight now.
I've got nine.
Let me hear yours and see if I can steal one.
Okay, Black Sabbath.
Oh, I got my last one.
Deep Purple.
Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Ozzy.
Alice in Chains.
Soundgarden.
Kiss.
Alice Cooper.
Van Halen, all the DLR and three Sammy Hagar songs.
Van Halen, I forgot about that.
Styx and Pink Floyd.
Yeah.
Yeah, Styx is a good one.
Yeah, Styx is one of the bands that I could listen to all different eras of them and that's
what I was thinking.
Yeah.
There's some that I'm forgetting, but right on the spot, I'm only really thinking of Hard
Rock right here.
There's so many other ones that I could go into, but I'm just leaving it right there for
now.
Yeah.
If you ask me tomorrow, I'd probably come up with a slightly different list.
Me too.
You got anything else that you want to add to it?
Gosh.
Maybe ELO.
I mean, a lot of the music is pretty simple, but it's just nice.
Is there one I could scratch off?
Like their album.
I'm scratching off Alice in Chains and putting an ELO.
All right.
That album they had Out of the Blue.
Incredible.
Oh, I love that.
Amazing.
Awesome concert too.
The concert from that, the 1977, is available on YouTube if you look it up.
Yeah.
You can see the whole concert.
I wanted to go to their last tour.
They came by St. Louis.
I forgot his name.
Jeff Lynn.
Jeff Lynn, yeah.
Yeah.
He said that was the last.
That was it, but I didn't get a chance to go.
It sucks.
Yeah.
He pretty much was ELO.
Jeff Lynn.
He's a composer type of a guy in here.
Producer, arranger, just kind of hand and everything.
Oh, wow.
I thought it was going to be done snowing.
The snow hasn't really begun yet.
Look at this.
Oh my gosh.
It's moving in right now.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's a big hump of snow.
All right.
Okay.
I guess they were right for once.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sure.
That's pretty much what I got there.
I'm going to stick with that for now.
Okay.
Well, I had an idea for story time.
Oh, yeah.
With the Music Creek.
Yep.
So, if the drag queens get to go read stories to little kids in the library.
That's where this came from.
Then the Music Creeps ought to be able to read song lyrics to little kids.
So, it's like we pick a song and read the lyrics out as if it's a nice little story
for the kids.
Okay.
So, I've got three for you to choose from.
You can pick any one.
The first one is Frank Zappa's Keep It Greasy.
The second one would be Strobe Light Beat Down by Monster Magglet.
And the third choice is I Love the Dead by Alice Cooper.
I'm going to go with I Love the Dead by Alice Cooper.
All righty.
Good choice.
So, let me crawl up the lyrics so I make sure I don't get any wrong.
Although any one of those would have worked very well.
I'm going to go with Alice Cooper.
Okay.
So, here we go.
Everybody settle in to their nice little spot.
Hang on.
I got my blankie.
Okay.
You got your juice box and your cookies.
Yep.
Okay, children.
Okay.
Now, here's verse five.
Hey, where's my milk?
Hang on.
Oh, okay.
I got it.
This is I Love the Dead by Alice Cooper.
Go ahead.
I love the dead before they're cold.
They're bluing flesh for me to hold.
Cogaver eyes upon me see nothing.
Verse two.
I love the dead before they rise.
No farewells, no goodbyes.
I never even knew your now rotting face.
While friends and lovers mourn your sooty grave, I have other uses for you, darling.
Bridge.
La la la la la la la la.
Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead.
Here comes the chorus.
Are you ready, kids?
Yes.
I love the dead.
There we go.
All right.
Then we repeat the first chorus.
I love the dead before they're cold.
They're bluing flesh for me to hold.
Cogaver eyes upon me see nothing.
Oh, Bede.
I'm glad I went with that song, actually.
Glad I went with that one.
Of course, Keep It Greasy would have been fun, too.
That would've been fun.
I wish we all got to hear it, too.
It would be fun.
Put your hands up.
I'm glad I went with that song actually.
Glad I went with that one.
Of course, Keep It Greasy would have been fun too.
How about Next Music Creeps?
We'll do Keep It Greasy.
So if any of you fell asleep and had a little nappy time there, time to wake up, show us back up.
Okay, if you were going to get four tattoos of bands logos, what would they be?
You had to.
You may not even like tattoos, but you had to.
Well, Alice Cooper might get his eyes with the dripping, runny mascara.
That's cool.
Let's see.
The Bulldog logo from Monster Magnet.
Oh, yeah.
Big giant horns, big ring in his nose, breathing fire.
Yep.
That's pretty awesome.
I don't know that Alice in Chains has a logo.
The Van Halen logo would be pretty cool. VH.
Soundgarden doesn't really have one either.
Yeah.
Another really cool logo would be Ario Speedwagon's logo.
That would be a great logo.
Ozzy has a great logo.
Yeah, yeah.
Sabbath has a few logos. Deep Purple has a few logos.
Yeah.
Captain and tail.
The Osmond Brothers.
I guess they were just called the Osmonds.
Sticks has a good logo.
Boston.
Oh, yeah, Boston.
Yeah, man, there's a lot of cheese for them.
Yeah, okay.
I'm going to go with...
Here's one, not necessarily because I'm that crazy about the band anymore,
but the Motley Crue Theatre of Pain logo.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, with the comedy and tragedy and the long, you know, the elongated words or letters of Motley Crue.
That is a great logo.
That is. That's a powerful logo.
The Kiss logo.
Oh, that's another good one.
You know, in Europe, they're not allowed to use those S's.
Because of the swastika.
Yeah, because it was a Nazi thing, so they have to change it to a different shape.
Well, Kiss says they're lightning bolts.
They say they're too close to Nazi S's.
Well, yeah, the Nazi SS also chose them as lightning bolts.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, so Kiss can say they're lightning bolts, and the Nazis can say, yes, of course they are.
That's why we chose them.
Jinkx and his mom was a Holocaust survivor, too. Interesting.
Yeah, it's kind of odd that he would cross that line.
Yeah, well, Paul Stanley's Jewish, too.
I think most of them are.
ACP or?
Well, that's true.
Well, here's why.
Paul Stanley accuses them of being anti-Semitic,
and that they think that those two are the Jews that keep all the money.
Well, that's true or not, I kind of doubt if it's true, but you know, it's something.
Whatever.
That, you know, if you've got something you can use, a card like that you can play.
Yeah.
The Jew card.
Oh, you hate us because we're Jews.
Yeah, yeah, it's overplayed now.
Most people, you don't even know they're Jewish.
Until later, you know.
And really, why would you go around advertising personal information about yourself?
It's like...
Yeah, yeah, it's like, I don't know, grandstanding or something.
Yeah, everybody look at me because I'm this.
How about we just take you as a human being?
Yeah, yeah, that would probably be better.
Judging on how decent a person you are.
Well, then now the people that do hate Jews probably hate you.
Yeah, yeah.
There are some people who would hate me for my German ancestry.
There are some people that would probably hate me for my Scottish ancestry.
My Welsh ancestors, they pretty much didn't love anybody too much.
Nah, nah, they're not on the hate list.
On dad's side, it's all German.
On mom's side, it's Scottish and Welsh.
The two sides that were fighting each other in Braveheart.
Yeah, well, speaking of Braveheart, my last name would indicate Scottish on my dad's side.
And then my mom, you know, of course, is all Greek, as far as I know.
Although my grandpa from over there was a six foot four blonde haired blue eyed man.
Yeah.
Does not fit the demographic.
And he's on an island.
So someone in a boat probably came up.
That's what I'm saying.
But anyhow, I mean, and I'm not going to go get a DNA thing.
Number one, I don't give a shit.
Number two, well, and also America also has me pegged as a certain person too,
because my mom's side is full blooded.
And so that's the way, from what I understand, that's what you are, type of thing, whatever, you know, that stupid shit.
But yeah, my dad's side would probably be Scottish.
I don't know what else.
He didn't really know either.
But I don't give a shit enough to do a DNA thing to find out where or who's from or whatever.
I think everyone should be allowed to identify with whatever ancestor works out best for them.
You know?
It's like, you know, if you're like one one billionth of this, but that's what you like best, it's like, go ahead and identify with that.
It's not like there are rules.
Unfortunately, you think the side over here, I know something about more than the side over there.
I know a lot more about this side over in Greece than I do the side over here.
Yeah.
Keeping track of family history used to be a lot more important, especially in European culture.
Not all that much here.
Well, my dad was the second child of the second marriage of his dad, and he was much older, and his mom was younger.
And he was the only child, and he didn't really know his step children that well.
And so he didn't really get to know the lineage over here.
So I never had an opportunity.
And like I said, I'll never do a DNA thing or none of that.
No, because then they own your DNA.
Yeah.
So, so anyhow, the only side I really know is that.
I kind of go by that.
What were we talking about anyhow?
Let's see.
We talked about band logo tattoos.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess we'd probably run that all the way.
Okay.
I like this question.
Sure.
If you were forced to learn a complicated guitar piece, what would it be?
And we're talking bridge, solo, and intro.
They can all be different, but they have to be complicated.
I mean, nothing can come out like crazy little thing called love.
You know, the intro of that's easy.
Yeah.
Da da da da da da.
All right, let's see.
I heard one the other day.
Oh my God.
Go ahead.
It was a Rush song.
It was the title track from Farewell to Kings.
And the bridge in that is really off tempo, funky thing where the drums are doing one
thing, the bass is doing something other, and then the guitar comes in on a counterpoint,
and it all kind of eventually works together.
And that would be a really complex bridge to learn how to play.
I think a slightly different feeling, and it is somewhat complicated, would be wish
you were here.
Yeah.
The note, then, the feel that David Gilmore has on it is just insane.
Yeah.
Yours is very good, too.
I mean, I like them both, but me, I would love to learn how to play wish you were here
in front.
Yeah.
And I guess it's an intro.
It kind of goes into the song.
Yeah.
There's one guitar doing the main chord structure, then there's a second guitar coming in doing
the single notes solo on top.
Yeah.
So I would call that pretty much, yeah.
So yeah, I would love to know how to do that or learn how to do that.
Yeah.
What about solo?
Oh.
The Farewell to Kings though, man.
I think I remember that, didn't I?
Let's see.
I'm going to pick a David Gilmore solo.
Not comfortably done because I'm tired of that one.
I'm not picking Kirk Hammett.
No.
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Can't stay off the waffel.
I guess for David Gilmore solo, it's the song.
I can't think of the song I'm trying to think of, so I'll pick a different one.
It's Shine on You Crazy Diamond.
Oh, fuck.
Oh my gosh.
You're going to be there for three years learning that damn thing.
Gosh.
Big ass solo.
But then as far as an intro, I've got one all picked out.
Okay.
I'm going to just go ahead and play it.
Okay.
Skip through, it's got to be on here.
It's probably near the bottom.
It gets really out of it.
Do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.
Okay.
No, I'm thinking of bridges now.
Oh, it's weird.
I've got so many duplicates of songs in here for some weird reason.
Oh, let me think.
Bridges, gosh.
I'm at a, you know, I normally can think of bridges just like that because there's some
of my favorite parts of the song.
The bridge kind of holds it all together and gives you the feeling.
Here's my intro that I would do.
It's for a song called Pulled Offer.
I never noticed this, but old Alice kind of has a Kiss feel.
Yeah.
Kiss got it from him, obviously.
That's Steve Hunter on guitar.
Oh, it is?
What year was that?
It was 75.
75, okay.
That was on my little show, my favorite Alice Cooper guitar solos.
That was one of the ones I had in that, so if you want to hear a better version, I could
go back and find that podcast.
Okay.
That intro, I used to use that as a ringtone.
It was awesome.
Could you find the wish you were here on trombone?
So in case people didn't realize.
I think mine's trying to surge within Alice Cooper again.
Yeah, let me search for it here.
No results.
It's not on my...
All right, I'll go to YouTube Music.
They'll find it.
Wish you were here, Pink Floyd.
No, it's not.
You're playing the whole album.
And now it's...
I'm learning to play this part.
Oh, are you?
Yeah, this part.
Now, now the lead stuff.
Yeah.
It actually is really good.
I mean, yes.
Probably not that complicated, but it sounds so good.
Yeah, it's a G and then an E suspended chord and an A suspended chord, and then you just
pick the notes in between.
Yeah.
See, that's a G.
I mean, here's the difficult part.
Especially on an acoustic.
Oh, I know.
The strings are so thick.
Geez.
Look at that strong fingers, man.
Yeah.
He's popping.
Right there.
Yeah.
He's popping those strings hard, man.
The sound is good.
And then it comes on all sweet.
I'm gonna be going from there.
Let's avoid copyright issues and stop it right there.
Yeah, yeah.
But amazing lyrics.
Oh, yeah.
Blue sky from the...
Yeah, it's very good.
Yeah.
Bridge, I've got one.
Yeah.
Still of the Night.
White Sky.
Yeah.
Maybe the best one ever.
Oh, yeah.
That goes all sorts of interesting places.
And also related, but not the same, Deep Purple, Perfect Strangers.
Yeah.
That thing.
Oh, I love that song.
Oh, that thing is just...
That's got such a unique...
Yeah.
I love that staccato.
It's like a heartbeat with extra.
Yeah.
And it just, for me, it just keeps me on edge the whole song.
Those two, I would love to learn how to play either one of them.
One of them's got a...
Oh, yeah.
One of them's got a...
Oh, yeah.
And I mean, then Perfect Strangers, I would have to say, would be the all-time favorite.
And then Still the Night would be second.
Yeah.
Oh.
The Casimir by Led Zepp.
Oh, gosh.
That's another one too.
That's got an awesome bridge.
And that actually isn't all that difficult to play.
It'd lead the notes.
No.
But getting the feel right is tough.
Another one that I really like.
Another one that I really like, less popular is The Rover.
Oh yeah!
There's Side 2 physical graffiti.
I actually was in a band that played that out live.
That's such an underrated song.
That song is so damn good.
It is, but in a bar setting it just goes over very well.
People don't know it.
I think when we finished I remember hearing somebody yell, yay it's over.
And here it's the famous...
Exactly.
I've played a lot of gigs like that, man.
I guess only music freaks would really know that and the average fan never heard it on
101 the Fox or KY or something.
Until I remember playing a New Year's Eve gig in a hotel bar.
So you'd think in a hotel there'd be a whole hotel of people.
We were playing to the bartender and the waitresses.
Nobody was in there?
Most of the night.
I think for a while we had two or three people that showed up for a while long enough to
spill champagne all over my drums.
So the next day I had to take them all apart and clean all that sticky crap off.
But oh man, that was a miserable New Year's Eve.
That was pretty bad.
We thought it was going to be crazy with people everywhere and all that stuff, but instead
it was just like, there must be a party going on somewhere.
It's not here.
That was in Blue Springs.
Blue Springs isn't exactly party capital, but we expected more people than nobody.
Maybe 10 would be nice or 15, but nobody?
At least we still got paid.
They were like, fuck, you gotta pay these losers 200 bucks.
What the hell?
That was during my first marriage and my ex-wife never came out to the gigs.
Everybody else had someone to kiss at midnight, so I just shook my own hand and called it
good.
I would kiss my palm and say, see you later.
I got a pity kiss on the cheek from the bass player's wife, Kristen.
Thanks!
I loved her like a little sister.
She was my sister from another mister.
Kurt and Kristen.
I love them both.
They're awesome people.
Anytime I run into a man it's just like, hey, how you doing?
It's just like, so happy to see each other.
We just fall right back into grins, good turns.
They're quality.
Kurt is, I think he's coming up on like 10 years sober.
Oh, good for him.
Good job.
He was a real heavy drinker when I was in Weatherhead with him.
He seemed to keep it together.
I never saw him drive drunk and I never saw him get any kind of DUI or problem, but he
drank a lot.
He makes better decisions now.
Good for him.
That's good to hear.
He and Kristen have a great marriage.
They've got some beautiful daughters.
Good.
Good for them.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Okay, I mean, I know we're on the music creeps there again, but I want to, okay, I've got
some excerpts from the Glenn Hughes book and the autobiography that I wanted to go over
here.
Anyhow, I mean, it's such a good book, but he had so many good stories in this thing.
I think they deserve to be told.
Yeah.
Okay.
His first one is David Bowie.
He knew David Bowie very well and David Bowie lived with him for a while.
So anyhow, I was in LA and this is an excerpt from Glenn Hughes' book, bassist, lead singer,
deep purple, black Sabbath, black country communion, all different kinds of bands, about
a musician's position really.
I was in LA and I got a call from David Bowie's personal assistant, Corrine.
She said Bowie had been watching footage on TV of Purple playing the California Jam and
he'd be impressed by, and he was impressed by my performance.
So I met up with him and we sat up talking all night.
By the time he was into his blue eyed soul thing, we share a mutual love of Luther Van
Dross.
Later Bowie asked me to sing in his Young Americans album.
Oh wow.
Eventually, Richie Blackmore was violently against it.
He thought it would be bad for Purple's image.
I was a bit pissed off by that.
I stayed friends with Bowie.
We were both in the blow, only Bowie's paranoia on cocaine was far greater than mine.
And I thought I was pretty crazy.
Bowie was very intelligent but he suffered bizarre mood swings when he was high.
Our relationship was very intense.
In 1975 and 76 he lived at my house in Beverly Hills for a time.
I was loaded on coke, so was Bowie.
The champagne flowed.
It was a great period.
I've never smoked a lot of pot, so my memories of these times are pretty vivid.
He goes in, this is just a rough draft, he goes into a lot of other stuff about Bowie
and his girlfriend having such loud sex he couldn't sleep every night.
That would suck, wouldn't it?
There you are.
God, I'm tired.
Ah, ah, ah, ah!
I feel like a motherfucker.
I remember hearing that the David Bowie album, Station to Station, I think that was 75, I think.
It was written mostly in a hotel room.
Bowie and Iggy Pop and Iggy Pop's girlfriend were hanging out and just staying completely
stoned.
And Bowie came up with most of the album there.
And his song, TV C-15, he said it was inspired when he hallucinated that the TV was eating
Iggy Pop's girlfriend.
That's a good one right there.
Isn't that awesome?
Oh no, I remember a man, some friends of mine were tripping on acid and they both saw the
same thing.
A stop sign that was smiling and talking to him.
They both saw the same thing.
And I'm like, geez, they're kind of like acid twins or something.
Yeah, a guy I went to high school with told me about some of his acid trips with this
other guy.
He said they were trying to play chess, but they were both just sitting there laughing
their asses off watching all the chess pieces move and dance and march around all by themselves.
And at one point they ran out of either beer or cigarettes.
So they hopped in this one guy's car and it was like one of those giant, big, heavy boat
cars from the 60s, those big enormous things.
And they were driving up the street.
It was dark, it was nighttime.
And they both hallucinated that they were in this big, slow moving powerboat going up
a jungle river.
And they were just kind of cruising along and then they noticed, oh, there's a car parked
in the river.
Wait, a car parked in the river?
And this guy stomped on the brakes and they're both very glad that they stopped in time.
It was like, there went their boat in a river illusion, but they both hallucinated that
they were in a boat traveling up a river at night.
Wow.
Just because they were driving up the street.
See, that's what's so dangerous about these hallucinogens is you start acting on what
you see.
Oh, no, no, no.
I know a couple of people who freaked out and were never the same.
Yeah, yeah.
One guy was been taken and being judged by the parliament.
And we're like, who the fuck's the parliament?
It's them.
Parliament Funkadelic?
Yes.
With their outfits and everything.
Bootsy's rubber band?
Yes.
George Clinton and the guys.
Yeah, all of them.
Amazing musicians.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And no, but he was all flipped out.
We're like, who's the parliament?
It's them.
You know them.
Like, okay.
And he was never the same after that.
He was just like, oh, I'm going to go to the
house and I'm going to go to the house, and he was never the same after that.
I don't know what the parliament did to him.
Did they touch his wooly or something?
No, they were never the same.
Maybe they put a parasite into his beanie.
They did.
Sure they did.
Well, I remember this guy telling me that he felt that when he was on LSD, he pretty
much always knew he was tripping.
And it was like a lot of times he could think, wow, I wonder why I'm hallucinating this.
He said when he did peyote, it all seemed absolutely real.
You see, I wouldn't mind doing a natural substance.
I would never do acid because that's something people make.
Yeah, chemical created by laboratories.
Yeah, I don't think I want that.
Specifically for the purpose of opening up your mind.
Yeah, so I don't think I want that.
But if it came to it, I mean, I would do mushrooms.
Mushrooms.
Or ayahuasca would be really good.
Yeah, peyote, mescaline.
Mescaline, maybe, yeah.
Yeah, all the natural ones.
A guy I worked with said that he enjoyed doing peyote once or twice a year.
And he said, it makes you throw up.
It's like magic mushrooms will make you throw up.
Yeah.
He said peyote is the same thing.
What he usually did was cut them into very thin slices
and eat the thin slice and try to keep them down as long as he could.
He said, but you're going to throw up.
And then you just keep eating more and you throw them up.
You throw them up because of the poison?
Yeah, it just apparently makes you just super nauseous.
In case anyone doesn't know, what makes you see colors and hallucinations
is the poison.
Yeah, it's an actual toxin.
Yeah, it's a toxin.
It's part of a cactus plant.
It's the fruit of a certain cactus plant.
But he said eventually you eat and throw up.
And eventually you absorb enough that you start tripping.
He said at that point, you just quit eating.
You just enjoy life.
But I thought, you know, I don't think I could dedicate myself
to that long a period of harping in order to get to a good outcome.
I hate throwing up, man.
This is nasty.
Yeah, that would not be good.
Oh, Phil Weiman.
And this is Glen Williams.
Thin Lizzy.
OK.
In 1980, I was in LA making record with Al Cooper.
There we go, Al Cooper again.
Called Four on the Floor.
It was a disco record to all intents and purposes.
Thin Lizzy were in town and Phil Linett, Scott Borum, and Gary
Moore came down to the studio.
Phil pulled out two files, one full of Coke
and the other full of heroin.
Oh my god.
I remember thinking to myself, they're both white.
How can you tell which is which?
I guess by flavor, but at that point, you're committed.
Yeah, that's what it sounded like.
It ain't going anywhere.
Want to hear a story about Richie Blackman?
Oh, sure.
OK.
When I got the gig as a bass player at Deep Purple,
I was only age 21.
We went to Clearwell Castle to work on the burnout.
I told you some of this stuff.
Richie rigged up my room with hidden speakers.
In the middle of the night, I woke up
to the sound of all these ghost noises.
I was scared shitless.
The next night, me, Baz Marshall,
Purple's Roadie, and Richie held the seance.
Baz was a farmer, and he'd recently
lost one of his cows.
We started the seance, and suddenly the room
echoed with the sound of a cow mooing.
Oh my god.
This time, it wasn't a wind up.
Blackmore freaked out and ran out.
When it came down to it, he was a bit of a scaredy cat.
This is his words, not mine.
But Richie was the king of the prank.
We all know that.
Even today, he carries a water pistol around with him.
Yeah.
Yeah, he somehow snuck into Cozy Powell's bedroom
or paid somebody to do it and go set his bed on fire
as a way of letting it know he was fired from the band.
So that's kind of a prank he calls.
Yeah.
And then with Cozy, however he told me this,
like the last episode, he said, and then it goes,
hey, what, Tommy Braxton?
Oh, you didn't get the message?
You're fired.
What a hell of a way to lose your job.
Oh, I know.
Not only that, but you probably had to pay
for the fucking sheets.
No, probably.
Like, god, I don't have a job.
You're making me pay for the sheets?
The hell?
Get Amber Heard in there to shit on him.
Oh, yeah.
It won't be my fault.
Yes.
Oh, I got to bring that Amber one back.
I've got an Amber Heard parody.
Well, it's a contraption that you rig up to your bed
that lets you know.
Oh, when somebody's crapped in it?
Yeah.
And also, if you're going to get pee or anything.
Crappler.
There's three different alerts, you know.
I remember that, three different alerts.
Let's see, if you pee, poop, and what would the third one be?
Barf, menstrual blood?
Probably.
One was mooring river, and one was like a city noise.
He had to let you know.
He would queef the temperature.
Yeah, I remember Chad, the voice guy.
He was like, what the fuck?
And I go, look, it's not in sequence.
Just say these sentences, and I'll put it together.
He almost didn't do it.
Because he does stuff for radio stations and stuff like that.
And he's like, oh no.
Damage is where it changes a little bit.
I told him, I said, approximately three people
at the time listen to this podcast.
No one's going to know.
He did it.
Footed trooper.
Yeah, I know.
I've got to get a hold of him.
I've got some stuff I want him to do.
All right, now we're going to go into three chords that are used in a bunch of songs.
Yeah, tons of songs.
The three chords I'm choosing today are C, D, and G. And some examples are Ring of Fire
by Johnny Cash, Leaving on a Jet Plane, John Denver, Royals by Lorde, that was popular
two years back, Joy to the World, the Christmas song.
Joy to the world, joy to the world, all those things.
That's funny, because you would not think of those songs being related at all.
Yeah.
I mean, you can play all of these songs with more chords.
But basically, you can play the whole song with just three chords.
The Gambler, Kenny Rogers, just those same three chords.
Can't You See, Marshall Tucker, All Summer Long, Kid Rock, which is based on Werewolves
of London, by Warren Zeman.
OK, I think I remember that.
I Saw the Light, Hank Williams, Feel Like Making Love, by Bad Company.
Oh, wow.
Now the Bad Company one I can hear right off, you know, because anyhow.
Yeah.
Baby, when I think about you, when I think about love.
This is D and G back and forth and eventually C gets in there on the chorus, I think.
Nope, not on the chorus.
Where's the C come in?
I'm just seeing G and D all the way through the song.
Oh, OK, it's in the end of the chorus.
I'm gonna just feel like, feel like making love to you.
There it is.
You know, you also play Rock Me Like a Hurricane.
That's Blue on Black.
Same three chords, it's gonna throw an A in there.
Yeah.
And then you play Rock Me Like a Hurricane, that is also the rhythm.
It's not the rhythm, but it's the chord structure.
Yeah.
So what else we got?
Boy Named Sue, by Johnny Cash.
Seven Bridges Road, by The Eagles.
Three chords.
Wow.
Copperhead Road, by Steve Earle.
Damn.
OK.
That's an awesome song.
Yeah, it is.
Hotel Yorba, by The White Stripes.
Blowing in the Wind, Bob Dylan.
Let's see, Love on the Weekend, John Mayer.
Kelly Clarkson's A Moment Like This.
OK.
Ravon, Buddy Holly.
She Sells Sanctuary, the Cult.
Wow.
Let's try that one.
Yeah, yeah.
Now there's a bunch of individual note-pickers.
Yeah, yeah.
Billy Watts' name does a lot of that.
Yeah, Billy Watts.
I don't know the song, but it's basically DCG, DCG, DCG, all the way through the verse.
Yeah, most of that is on the chorus anyhow.
Yeah, and I don't know the strumming pattern.
Let's see.
The Music Box, by The Who.
Mama's got a squeeze box, she plays on the chest.
And when daddy gets home, he never gets no rest.
He's playing all night, playing all night.
And the music's all right, music all right.
Mama's got a squeeze box, daddy never sleeps at night.
Three chords, DC and G.
Great song, too.
Yeah.
Great song.
Hang On, Snoopy, by The McCoys.
There's the 60s.
Yep, yep.
Boys of Summer, Don Henley.
Oh, we do.
Yeah.
DCG.
Let's see if I can get that one.
I'm gonna call up the tab here.
So it just alternates back and forth.
Of course, the rest of the song is doing a whole lot more, so.
This is kind of like the Campfire version of Boys of Summer.
Six Days on the Road, Dave Dudley.
Six days on the road and I'm gonna make it home tonight.
If I Were a Carpenter, Bobby Darin.
I'm only about halfway through this list.
They just go on and on.
Quinn the Eskimo by Bob Dylan.
Row Your Boat.
Row, row, row your boat.
They share just the, I mean, all these songs just use those exact same chords.
You just play them in a different order and you alter the structure.
Wow.
That's all you need to do and you can get all these songs.
Heroes by the Wall of Flowers.
Hot Legs by Rod Stewart.
Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road by New Dawn Wainwright.
Okay.
Let's see, oh that was a little Red Rooster.
Go back.
Dead Skunk.
Let's try Dead Skunk.
Sir GDC.
I was in the highway last night.
Sugar Red Flat Panties, Sugar Red Flies.
I have to do the chorus.
Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road.
I'm speaking high.
So it's kind of...
Yeah, that's good.
It's kind of doing that pattern.
It's been forever since I've heard the song and I'm not a singer anyway so.
Everyone have pity on me.
Old time rock and roll, Bob Seeger.
Just take those old records off the shelf.
Let's just...
I play that ability.
It hangs in G.
Just take those old records off the shelf.
Listen to my soul.
The music ain't the same.
So I like that old time rock and roll.
Don't try to take me to a disco.
You never get me out on the floor.
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door.
I like that old time rock and roll.
I still like that old time rock and roll.
Yeah, there it is.
That's the D.
G.
There's the C.
Just those three chords.
Just those three.
You can do the whole song.
I'm trying to find ones that most people would know.
The School of Rock title song.
Those three exact chords.
I've got another list that's three slightly different chords.
I've got another huge list of four chord songs.
Really, there's like 70, 80 songs on this list.
If you learn C, D, and G, you can play all those songs.
It's just the strumming that is totally different.
If you think about it, there's a limited number of chords.
There's a limited number of notes even.
There's a limited number of everything that you can play on a guitar.
What's not limited is the rhythm.
Yeah, the...
Leaving stuff out, putting extra stuff in.
It's all ways to do it differently.
That's another reason too. If you ever hear the back beat on a song...
I'm trying to think of how to describe it.
Maybe you can describe it better.
You can hear the bass on a song and know what it is.
Let's say someone's in another building listening to it.
The reason is because that is the outline of the song.
That's the outline. That's the skeleton of the song.
Basically, yeah.
Then the guitar is usually a byproduct of that, is what I would say.
Yeah.
The guitarist has a little bit more freedom than the other guys do.
The bass player and the drummer have to basically be each other's work wife.
Yes.
Then the guitarist comes in and then he adds his own flair to the song.
But it's still the basic rhythm and the basic beat of whatever that is.
That's what makes some guitarists so good and some of them kind of plain.
Is that right there?
Yeah, and realistically the rhythm guitar is kind of halfway between the lead guitar and the bass.
Rhythm guitar, we talked about this before, is so underrated.
Rhythm guitarists, I mean there are guitarists that are just so good that are rhythm guitarists.
But they're doing it by choice, not because they're not good enough to do the lead.
This is what their passion is, is to come up with the meat and potatoes of the song.
Yeah, and the same with bass players.
People think bass players are just because they can't play guitar.
Well, a lot of them can play guitar really well.
A lot of them do play guitar, yes.
They'd rather play bass. They like that basic foundation.
You know what, that's what I'm going to do next is guitar players that play bass.
I'm going to look that up for the next episode because there's a ton of them.
Because a lot of the bass players, if you see their name on the song credit,
it's because a lot of times they came up with the guitar part.
Yeah, yeah.
Cadillac Ranch by Bruce Springsteen.
Oh, I believe that, yeah.
There she sits, kind of just a-cleanin' in the sun.
And a-great a-workin' man when his day is done.
He's gonna pack my ball and gonna pack my hand.
Gonna pack my hand, gonna pack my hand.
There it is.
Very good.
They just do that over and over for about three and a half minutes.
You shook me all night long, AC, DC.
All night?
DC and G.
Yep.
And we're talking about the rhythm, not the stuff that Angus does that.
Oh yeah, there's all sorts of note picking and the thing.
Yeah.
I haven't played my acoustic in forever, so.
Anyway, so you've got the, I'm finally at the bottom of this list.
And I've got a second list just as long, the song's based on A, D, and G.
Instead of C, D, and G.
Drop the C and replace it with an A.
List just as long.
It's amazing, that's all you really need is three chords.
Yeah.
There was a joke with music reviewers that they would complain that some musicians were four chord musicians.
And it's not like the fourth chord of the scale, they're talking about the only note four chords.
But realistically, for a ton of songs, that's all you need.
It really is.
Pop music, pop music, that's what you need because it's a familiarity that people, when they hear the song,
it brings something in them that they kind of know and remember.
Yeah, and there's a lot of repetition, so it makes it easy.
And then, I've been trying to work on that, is it that wish you were here?
Uh-huh.
You got it down pretty good.
And then it starts over from there, but that main chord, that's the G.
That's the E suspended.
And that's the A suspended.
But the ring finger and pinky never move from where they are on the guitar neck.
They're both on the third fret on the sixth string and on the first string and second fret.
They're doing that the whole time.
You never have to move, you just move your other two fingers.
Very cool.
Yeah, I saw a guy on YouTube, you know, pick that out and I thought, I can do that.
So I went and grabbed my guitar and I just started following his fingers.
And the more I do it, the more smooth and easy it gets.
But the first few times I tried it, it was barely recognizable.
Well, I mean, it's really hard to hold the two fingers and move the other fingers.
You wouldn't think it would be that hard, but I've tried that before on the guitar.
And that, it doesn't seem complicated, but it's very complicated to do because your hand does not want to do that.
You have to train it to do that.
Yeah, you look at one of your fingers and say move just that finger from there to over there and don't hit anything on the way.
It's a whole new story in there.
Yeah, it's not easy.
Your hand doesn't like to do that.
Your hand's used to picking stuff up, writing.
It's not used to, okay, you two carry out this rhythm while you two sit here.
Yeah, it takes some training.
You know, with my hands, I'm used to just varying the amount of grip strength I have on the sticks and exactly where I'm holding them.
And that really alters how I play and how fast I play and how I control the rolls and stuff.
So that's more just a matter of altering the pressure on my hands.
But then learning to actually use different fingers and put them on the right string.
And then if I'm looking at my right hand, on my left hand on the strings, my right hand has to be picking the correct string.
Which I don't always do, but I'm getting better at.
Well, this is stuff like, even people that were just born into guitar, because I know plenty of them, they pick up a guitar and just start playing.
I mean, basically like that.
They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, here's how you play this.
I know so many people that just walk up and go, oh, okay, here.
It's like, how the fuck did you do that?
And they couldn't even name you the chord.
They just go, oh, here it is.
Yeah, I'm starting to learn. I'm not really learning what notes are where.
But if I'm on a certain note, I'm starting to learn like, okay, I want this other note next.
And I think I know where it is.
And just this string on that fret.
And a lot of the time I'm right.
I don't know what note it is.
I don't know what interval I'm moving.
It's just, here's the sound I want.
Here's where I get.
It's something you pick up on, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the essence of learning to play by ear.
What was I going to demonstrate?
I picked up my guitar for no reason whatsoever.
Yeah, I don't know.
You had a lick on your face like you were getting ready to go somewhere.
Then all of a sudden you're just gone.
Yeah.
Short term memory.
I've done that so many times.
I had several serious head injuries as a kid.
So that's why I blame all this.
Same here.
And let me say, untreated head injuries.
Untreated.
Back then nobody knew what a concussion was.
It was like, oh, you just got your bell rung.
Go sleep it off.
So I think I just went and slept off a couple of concussions in my youth.
That has altered my brain quite significantly.
I think that's happened to me too.
I think it's scrambled a little bit.
Yeah.
But as far as you just pick up a guitar and you can start making sounds,
it's like you start learning the intervals.
I'm just playing two strings.
I'm playing this one over and over with my thumb.
And this one, we're playing together, it sounds nice.
But it's just learning the intervals.
It's like from here I go down two, we go down two more, and then go down one.
Then go down two, and then lift my finger off.
And then I'll just sit down and do that for like five minutes or so.
Just play around and come up with different patterns where I don't want to go change to a different string.
Now I have to go down one step.
And then I'll just play around like that.
And it sounds pretty and there's really nothing to it, but it helps you memorize the neck.
It's like, oh, this string sounds good right here.
And these two notes go together.
And really without even trying to memorize it just by doing it on almost a daily basis, I just remember.
I don't really know what notes I'm playing or the intervals or what scale I'm at.
It's like, I'm just playing by ear.
And if nothing else, it's fun.
It helps build up the calluses on my fingers so I can play better.
But I always keep the guitar somewhere near me.
So no matter what I'm doing, I can just pick it up and just put my hands on it.
That's a good idea.
Just practice fingering it and just getting very familiar with the instrument.
That's what Stevie Ray Vaughan did as a kid growing up.
You never, ever saw him without a guitar in his hands.
He took it everywhere.
And he was constantly just dinking around about it.
Not even plugged in, just playing it.
And that's how he knew it, just backwards and forwards.
He could make all those things.
I'll never get anywhere near that good on guitar.
But I'm having a blast.
That's all that matters.
I'd love to see where Stevie Ray Vaughan would have been.
You know, I mean.
Yeah, would he have changed his genre of music a little bit?
Would he have gotten kind of, you know, I'll still do the Texas blues, but maybe I'll do this too.
Yeah, I mean he had the ability to go to a variety of other things.
It would have been interesting to see if he would actually, you know, just be like, you know, I think I'm going to progress into this or that.
Or maybe even more mainstream.
About the only opportunity you have to hear something like that is David Bowie's album, Let's Dance.
That was Stevie Ray on guitar on that whole album.
And he did the tour with it too.
Oh, was he?
Yeah, yeah.
I can't remember if I knew that or not, but if I did.
Yeah, that was Stevie Ray.
And in the music videos, David Bowie pretended like he was playing it.
He was panimiming to Stevie Ray's actual lead.
Could Bowie play guitar?
Yeah, yeah, he could actually play.
And then they did the Serious Moonlight Tour.
That's how they named the tour.
And Stevie Ray went on the tour with him and played the whole tour.
And that was when he said, I'll never work for that man again.
He's a miserable, cheap son of a bitch.
He paid us face union scale, the very minimum you could possibly pay us.
Really, David Bowie did?
He was real tight with money.
Wow.
Yeah.
If you were a hired musician playing your instrument.
I'd rather be playing in his house.
Yeah, it's just like saving money everywhere he could.
Wow.
But check out that album, Let's Dance, China Girl.
What are some of the songs on that?
That's all Stevie Ray.
And once you go back and listen to it, it's like, oh yeah, I can definitely tell that's Stevie Ray.
I hear some of her right now.
But it's such a different style of music from what he usually played.
Yeah, like the hook on China Girl, I guess you can tell that is Stevie Ray.
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it now.
And then the long solo at the end of Let's Dance.
Yeah.
I guess I never thought of it like that before.
I guess you could put on your red shoes and dance the blues.
He is a good songwriter.
Yeah.
But we knew how to turn the phrase, that's for sure.
Oh, he did, definitely.
I'm watching the progression of the snow.
Yeah.
It's pretty interesting, too.
It's like very small flights, but there's a ton of them.
Yeah, yeah.
Fortunately, this is the kind of snow that you get out there with any kind of decent leaf blowing.
You blow it off, yeah.
And also driving on it is good.
Yeah, it's just like be a little bit more careful, you're okay.
Yeah.
Cindy said she slipped and slid a little bit on the way to work, but it wasn't too bad.
Well, that's good because up north, I guess there's like a couple of trucks off on the freeways screwing everything up.
Yeah.
Not every truck driver you see has experience driving in snow.
No.
Some of them have driven in warm weather for much of their career.
Yeah, and then they hit this shit and they're like, whoa.
Yeah.
And they're like, oh, that's nice.
Yeah.
So just because they're a truck driver doesn't mean they can drive in all conditions or have that skill.
You know the ones that do because they have tire chains.
Oh, yeah.
And the tire chains will pretty much make sure that they're not going to slip.
Yeah.
The chains, I guess, are designed to give traction into the snow and ice, right?
Yeah, it acts like the teeth of a gear where it just like cuts in.
Yeah.
And it gives you like a little notch in the snow that you can push against instead of just the surface.
Yeah.
So that's why the chains have to be big enough.
You know, some of them I've seen sold in stores, they're like not chains but cables.
Yeah, no, those.
And they're like not even as big around as the pencil.
It's like that's not going to do you a damn thing.
Yeah.
You know.
They just make something that looks like something that people would buy.
Yeah, VUCA.
Oh, yeah.
Doesn't mean it's going to work.
It's a new design, it's a cable.
Yeah.
Yeah, but a lot of trucks, they'll have tire chains.
And then when they start running into this, they'll stop.
But these are people that know them.
The ones that don't are just like, how bad can it be?
And they'll just say, walk in 635 for three hours.
Yeah.
And then there are sections of highway that are just banked incorrectly and cars just tend to slide off.
Some of them just make so stupidly, I mean, I don't know if that's a word.
And even if it's not banked incorrectly, say when you've got one that's banked correctly,
but it's banked for someone to take it at 70 miles an hour, which is highway speed.
So if you're crawling along at 20, you're sliding sideways down that bank.
Yeah, that's true.
So that could be a problem too.
210's like that.
210 up near the river on, let's see, it would be the west side of 435.
It's banked like that.
And I don't know why they banked it like that.
They could have leveled it out, but they didn't.
All the roads in Wyandotte County.
Or banked like that, yeah.
At least all the ones that I rode when I was delivering mail.
It's like they're super high right in the middle and they slope very noticeably towards the edges.
And there's no curves.
There's just a hitch that the rain part.
So yeah, so when there's snow and ice, I'm trying to drive up the road and stop for a mailbox.
And as soon as I hit the brakes, I start sliding sideways into the mailbox.
That and their number are north and south and there's a lot of diagonal.
Yeah.
Doesn't make sense at all.
A lot of those days in KCK when I was delivering, I would just drive up the exact middle of the road.
Because nobody else was out anyway.
And I'd drive right in the middle so I wouldn't slide either direction.
And then I'd just get out and walk over the mailbox and the other curbside,
which I was supposed to be able to deliver from my window.
But it's like if I drove over there, I'm going to wipe out every mailbox on this street.
Val did that a couple of times.
Yeah.
Fortunately, the snow plows took out way more than I ever felt.
Oh yeah, yeah.
There was only one person that wanted me to pay for his mailbox.
Everybody else is like, yeah, we get it.
It's no biggie.
Did you have to pay for it?
No, because it happened on the job and I was doing my job.
So I figured the post office should pay for it.
Yeah, they should.
What the guy wound up doing is moving it.
When I knocked his mailbox over and off the post,
so he brought it from the curb all the way up to his front door and just set it on the ground there.
Which is not correct, not legal, and by rights I cannot be expected to deliver there.
But since I was the one that knocked it over, I started delivering up there.
And then he just never fixed it because he liked people to walk out his front door
and grab his man right there instead of walking to the street.
So I just turned it over to the boss and said, you know, this is the situation.
He's going to insist the post office pay for it or he's not moving it back out to the curb.
And I left the route before anything was resolved on that.
Oh good.
But he's probably still got mailbox sitting right up on the floor of his porch.
He took advantage of the situation.
Yeah, he did.
Oh well, it's somebody else's problem now.
Oh, no, looks like the show's over kids.
Mark has explosive diarrhea and can't afford a wireless mic.
Fear not, assholes.
They'll be back invading your ear holes soon.