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The Music Creeps, the only show anywhere with Gusto.

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You might ask yourself what Gusto is.

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Gusto was the magical secret ingredient in Schlitz beer

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that made it so damn good.

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And that's what makes this podcast so damn good.

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Burp.

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And now, deep thoughts with Mark.

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Why can't I just buy a can of thin paint?

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Why do I always have to go buy paint thinner?

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I may never know.

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Oh!

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We are the music creeps.

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We are the music creeps.

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Fuck it.

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Anyhow.

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There we go.

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Trying to work in some percussion there, I'm sorry.

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Okay, we're the music creeps, obviously.

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See, look at the looks we're getting.

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I know.

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Look at him.

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You know what?

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We don't care.

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When you hit your coffee, everybody's like burp.

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Oh, pretty cool.

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Pretty cool.

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I want to start with a little bit of news here, okay?

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All right.

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In a new interview with Gusto, you're going to be talking

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about the fucking nine or 10 inches of snow we're supposed to get tonight and tomorrow.

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X-Typo Negative guitarist Kenny Hickey, he was the guy that signed his name.

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John Caravi.

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Everybody thought he was.

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I was trashed, otherwise I would have one, recognized, well I did afterwards.

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And two, think, wait a minute, he's not out here, he's backstage.

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But anyhow.

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He was asked if he would be open to teaming up with the band.

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And he did.

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He did.

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He did.

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And he did, and he did, and he did.

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He was asked if he would be open to teaming up with other surviving members of

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X-Typo Negative to stage a Peter Steele tribute concert.

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Oh, I'd love that.

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With various guest musicians.

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He said, as transcribed by blabbermouth.net, and who else?

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I mean, they got the metal scene covered.

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I think so.

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I would do something like that, absolutely.

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Because at this point, the band seemed to transcend into a whole new generation and stuff.

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I love the end stuff.

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It would be really cool to get a couple of key singers, real guys, or maybe one guy or

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whatever, to come up and do it as a tribute.

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Absolutely.

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Maybe four or five shows, something like that.

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If we can get Josh Silver, former X-Typo Negative keyboardist to do it, yeah, I'd be up for it.

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Cool.

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I'd go see that concert.

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Yep, I would too.

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Like we've said, X-Typo Negative is one of the bands, I think, that should have hit it

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much bigger than what they did.

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And everybody I know feels the same way.

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I don't know why it didn't catch on.

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Yeah, they're one of those bands that was very influential among other musicians, but

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the general public just didn't really quite get it.

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There are movies like that too.

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Yeah, I think that one of the things is, was Peter Steele's voice that he did on purpose.

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Was a very ghoulish, low...

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No, and I think that's it.

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Radio stations probably like, I'm not playing that.

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I mean, and also it doesn't lend to pop popular.

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Because most people are like, why is he singing like that?

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Well, people that get the gimmick get it, and it's good music.

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But anybody with any kind of crossover ability was going to get preference.

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Yes, and that's what happened.

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gotta be really damn good.

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sucks, but Type O Negative without really any publicity or any radio play did pretty good.

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I mean, they have a really good following.

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So, anyhow, that'd be cool.

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I would love to see that.

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I wonder if his Greg Steele, his brother, would be willing to do something in that too.

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He could play bass.

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Because Hickey said nothing about the bass, he just talked about the keyboardist.

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Hickey was a guitarist, so they'd still need a bassist and a drummer.

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yeah, they should just split it into two jobs.

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going to volunteer himself as drumming.

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Because they do that on everybody.

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Wherever he's at, if it's a special guest, it's one of those two usually.

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Or Chamberlain does a lot of them, doesn't he, I think?

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Anyhow.

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Yeah, Matt Sorghum, really good drummer.

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He went back into the cult.

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Yeah, Guns N' Roses stole him out of the cult.

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Steven Adler's kind of like really fucked up constantly, so we're going to kind of just

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take your guy.

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Oh, they were pissed too.

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So, I mean, Matt Sorghum would be a great...

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Yeah, why not?

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Yeah, Matt Sorghum would fit that type of music.

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The cult would be more of that type of...

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No rule says he has to do it in the lower registers.

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No, no, I would love to hear him doing that.

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I think he could, because he played Jim Morrison of the Doors on Broadway and did very well.

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So, he also hits it to high notes.

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He's a very good singer.

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He's very underrated too.

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But obviously, if he played Jim Morrison on Broadway and did so well, he's versatile.

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So, I would like to see him do something with this guest tribute, but I don't know.

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I have no idea if they even like him, know about him, nothing.

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And then the next one I want to go to, a new interview with Lindsay Parker of Gold Derby.

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Well, I don't know what Gold Derby is.

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Maybe it's a podcast or a website.

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But Judas Priest-Frumman Rob Halford would ask where his positive attitude comes from.

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He responded as transcribed by blabbermouth.net.

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My sobriety.

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I just celebrated 39 years this past January, the sixth.

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One day at a time, it's a great way to live because you're living in the moment.

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It's pointless worrying about tomorrow because you don't know what is going to happen tomorrow.

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Plans and ideas and dreams are vital, but tomorrow hasn't happened.

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Yesterday's gone.

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It's in the past.

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You can't change anything.

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You can maybe look at things that could be utilized to fix things in the next opportunity.

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So, living in the moment is just so important.

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And look, where I'm at in my life, I've got nothing to complain about, absolutely nothing to complain about.

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I say this all the time.

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I agree with him 100%.

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And also living in the moment.

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Too many people are always going, well, I got this vacation coming up.

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And I'm guilty of it to an extent, too.

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But like right now, I enjoy every second of this because this is stuff we enjoy to do.

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You know, I don't care if it's just riding in the car.

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Sunday morning, I go to work early.

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It's my early shift.

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I got to be there at seven or eight.

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I always leave early.

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And I drive around town for a half hour.

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Yeah, just enjoying it.

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Yeah, it's an enjoyment.

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Nobody's on the road.

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So I go, oh, I wonder how the streetcars come along.

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Let's go over there.

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Let's take a look at Flush Creek.

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OK, that's all right.

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Oh, let's look over here.

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Did they get this new building?

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Oh, wow, they're almost, you know, it's living in the moment.

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Yeah, taking your time.

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I'm doing a lot more of just living in the moment, as you said, and rejecting the idea

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of, oh, I can't wait for tomorrow.

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I can't wait for next week or next year.

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I'm looking forward to this so much.

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I don't even do that anymore.

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It's like, oh, this might happen in the next year.

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All right.

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In the meantime, I'm enjoying right now.

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I'm tired of wishing hours and days of my life away to get to something that I think

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm the same way.

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And you know, that's something they teach a lot in not only addiction recovery, but

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mental health recovery, because people drive themselves crazy worrying about what they've

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already done and what they might have done.

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Oh, the what ifs.

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The what ifs are something else.

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Yeah, reliving the past and trying to rewrite the past.

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Yeah, it just drives you nuts.

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I'll bet you the chiefs aren't sitting there right now mulling over their loss.

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I bet you they're already thinking about next year.

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Yeah, I would think so.

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They probably had a day of, no, I probably could have done this better.

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A number of them probably got together and complained.

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And then said, this is what we need to do better.

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All right, guys, we need to sack up and we need to right this wrong.

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And then that's it.

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Yeah, yeah, it's done and it's gone.

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And the really the only thing you can take from it is the lesson and the knowledge and

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the information.

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But the emotions and the feeling dump them.

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Yeah, they're gone.

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They're gone.

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Absolutely.

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You're not in the same area of your life.

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So you're not going to be feeling the same and just go on with it.

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So he said, so what I try to do is find balance and harmony and mental health is really, really,

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really important.

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And I agree with him 100 percent.

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Rob Halford has always demonstrated to be a really good chap because he's English.

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And he's absolutely correct.

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I've always liked him a lot, even when he wore the leather and the weird haircut.

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But now he just looks like an old biker.

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So he's cooler than shit.

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Yeah, there's plenty of old bikers out there.

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And then I got another one here.

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I spoke about Paul Stanley and Bobby Brown, the Janie Layne's ex-wife, you know, the blogger.

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You know, the blonde on cherry pie and a lot of other videos, too.

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Bobby Brown, the ex-wife of late Warren frontman Janie Layne and the video vixen in Warren's

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cherry pie video recently fan submitted questions via the Fuse TV website asked, who is the

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creepiest rock star?

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I've already spoke about this and you'll remember when I do that ever hit on her.

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Bobby said Paul Stanley from Kiss.

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He was just infeminate, extremely infeminate.

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I mean, I don't know.

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It was pretty creepy, I have to say.

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I mean, no offense to Kiss and all that stuff.

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And there's another one of all this stuff.

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I have to say, I mean, I mean, no offense to Kiss and all that stuff, but it was bizarre.

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And I think it may be, I don't know.

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Who knows?

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I don't know if he's gay or not, but then she laughs.

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I really had the feeling he might be.

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I don't know.

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Or he could just be a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

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That could be.

254
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Well, you know what?

255
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You see him on stage and he menses and he really is infeminate, but I don't think that

256
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translates to gay.

257
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No.

258
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He's never had anyone accusing him.

259
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You know what I mean?

260
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Like someone going, oh, I used to be his lover or nothing like that.

261
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He's never had anything like that.

262
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He's been married for a long time.

263
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He's had very famous girlfriends.

264
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I think here you're coming up with nothing.

265
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Look at Bruce Jenner.

266
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When Bruce Jenner was Bruce Jenner, he was into women.

267
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And then Bruce Jenner became Caitlyn Jenner and she's still into women.

268
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He's still into women.

269
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It's like, well, I just don't want to be a guy anymore, but man, I still love women.

270
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Yeah, and it could be possible that Stanley Eisen, who that's Paul Stanley's real name.

271
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Oh, that's another name.

272
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Maybe he identifies, maybe he really has felt all his life that he's a girl and wants to

273
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be a girl and act like a girl, but he still likes girls.

274
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He's Team Vagina.

275
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That could absolutely be a thing.

276
00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,840
Yeah, yeah, very much so.

277
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I just thought, I think I brought that up before and then I seen the article again and I said,

278
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yeah, I'm just going to print it out and talk about it a little bit.

279
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Look, I love Paul Stanley.

280
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Great musician.

281
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Great front man.

282
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Definitely.

283
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I don't think Bobby Brown has anything reason to lie about it.

284
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So, you know, okay, maybe he's a little feminine or whatever.

285
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And I've seen it before too.

286
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On stage, he really kind of makes you wonder.

287
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And maybe that's all she saw is the same things we saw, but she's just really overreacting to it.

288
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Maybe for her it's like, eww, creepy, weird, gross.

289
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And the rest of it's like, oh, that's an odd choice and we just move on.

290
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For one, he's considerably older than her, so automatically that would probably make it creepy.

291
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She would not want to date Bill Belichick then.

292
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Yeah.

293
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So I was thinking, there's really good stage names out there and there's really good real stage names

294
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and stage names, stage names, you know, ones they came up with.

295
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What I was thinking is this.

296
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What are some of the best real ones and what are some of the best stage names that we have?

297
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,840
Oh, yeah.

298
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One of the oddest that turned out to be good, we were talking about, was Gene Simmons.

299
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That is actually a really, really good stage name.

300
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Yeah.

301
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,840
No real reason why. It sounds really just like some guy down the road.

302
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:43,840
It does. And there was actually a very well-respected actress by the name Gene Simmons, spelled J-E-A-N.

303
00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,840
Yeah, that's right. Not J-E-N-E.

304
00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,840
Okay.

305
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Let's see, Axl Rose.

306
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Axl Rose is a very good one because...

307
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He was Bill Bailey?

308
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Yeah, that one's not going to fly.

309
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,840
Yeah. Slash was Saul...

310
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Saul Hudson.

311
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Saul Hudson.

312
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Yeah.

313
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That's another good one.

314
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I think here, Nicky Six.

315
00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:15,840
Nicky Six is a good choice.

316
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,840
Really good one. Mick Mars.

317
00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,840
Oh, yeah. What is his name?

318
00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,840
Oh, shit. Bob Deal, I think.

319
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That's it.

320
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Yeah. So yeah, he sounds like a car salesman.

321
00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,840
Come on in and see Bob Deal for your good deal.

322
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Yeah.

323
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That's right. I got your caddy right here, bitch. Come on over.

324
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Almost as good as Boots Williams.

325
00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,840
Bet your boots.

326
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,840
That fat fucker being a barrel on top of that fucking Boots Williams.

327
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,840
By the swinging 71 exit, is that what they said or something like that?

328
00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,840
The swinging Red Bridge exit.

329
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,840
That was it, the swinging Red Bridge exit.

330
00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,840
So was that Iggy for swingers or... I mean, I don't know.

331
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Could've been.

332
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Did they meet up there and act like they're buying cars and swap out or something? I don't know.

333
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,840
Kansas City was a pretty wild city, notoriously.

334
00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,840
Yeah.

335
00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,840
Yeah. Let's see now.

336
00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:15,840
Iggy Pop was a really good deal.

337
00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,840
Oh, Iggy Pop was great.

338
00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:18,840
Yeah.

339
00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,840
Johnny Rotten.

340
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Yeah.

341
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,840
Sid Vicious.

342
00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,840
Johnny Rotten was John Lydon.

343
00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,840
Sid Vicious, I don't remember what his name was.

344
00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,840
No, I don't either. It was pretty plain.

345
00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,840
That'd be funny if that was his real name.

346
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,840
I'm trying to find this list here.

347
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,840
A real one that worked really well was John Paul Jones.

348
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,840
Yeah.

349
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That sounds like a stage name, but...

350
00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,840
It was actually a name.

351
00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,840
Yeah.

352
00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,840
Man, I used to have this book called The Book of Rock Lists, and it had a list of some of the best...

353
00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,840
It didn't bother with the punk rock band names. It had the punk rock musicians names.

354
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,840
Oh, yeah.

355
00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,840
But the book came out in 1984, so it's hopelessly out of date.

356
00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,840
Let me see if I can look on the internet here. We're a little bit unprepared, but we don't give a shit.

357
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,840
Yeah.

358
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Because that's what we do.

359
00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,840
I've got a ton of names of punk rock bands, but...

360
00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:30,840
Black Sabbath's final concert, Ozzy's final concert is coming up.

361
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,840
Sharon admitted finally. She said that the Parkinson's progressed, but we've known this.

362
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,840
We've seen videos of him trying to walk to the mailbox.

363
00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,840
Yeah.

364
00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:48,840
It's obvious that the Parkinson's has really taken hold on him, which is a disease where it just destroys your body.

365
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,840
It is.

366
00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,840
You deteriorate into nothing, and finally wither away, and you're gone.

367
00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,840
So it has affected his legs, and he can no longer walk.

368
00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,840
I don't know how they plan on doing this concert. This is his final hurrah, if he's in a wheelchair or not.

369
00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,840
They might prop him up and have him sing. I don't know.

370
00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:17,840
But the sad fact is Ozzy has probably not got a long span to live now.

371
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:24,840
Because Parkinson's looks to me like it's taken over his body, and unfortunately I'm very well versed in this

372
00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:33,840
because my friend Davey's mom passed away from it, and it was horrible watching her deteriorate and watching the disease take over her body.

373
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:44,840
And it is a neurological disease, so if the medication isn't managed exactly right, then you can get hallucinations.

374
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,840
It could mimic dementia. There's just all sorts of issues.

375
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:56,840
So even if he's not very close to the end of his life, he's probably very close to the end of being coherent.

376
00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:02,840
And he doesn't want to be out there in the public not being able to control his body and his mind.

377
00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,840
Yeah, and so after that, at the very least, you're not going to see him.

378
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,840
Yeah, yeah. And why not? I mean, Freddie Mercury squirreled himself away.

379
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,840
Oh, for years.

380
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,840
Yeah, the last few years of his life.

381
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,840
It was rumored that he had a sickness, and that was it.

382
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:25,840
People speculated because of his lifestyle, I guess, that it was probably going to be AIDS.

383
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,840
And I mean, look, nobody dies from AIDS. They die because of what AIDS does to your immune system.

384
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,840
Exactly, the opportunistic infections.

385
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:39,840
Yes, and that's what he died from, I think, is a lung infection because of advanced AIDS.

386
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:46,840
Yeah, a lot of people with AIDS who die get some form of pneumonia.

387
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,840
Yeah, and there's pneumonia, I believe.

388
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,840
Yeah, polycystic pneumonia is one of the defining diseases of AIDS.

389
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,840
If you have polycystic pneumonia, then pretty much guaranteed you have HIV.

390
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,840
Yeah, so that is probably what he had from what I read.

391
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,840
And he managed to keep it out of the, I mean, I think it was three years, wasn't it, or something like that?

392
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:06,840
It was about that, yeah.

393
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,840
They released It's a Kind of Magic. No, Innuendo.

394
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,840
Yeah.

395
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,840
Innuendo. It's a Kind of Magic was on Innuendo.

396
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,840
Innuendo and not the other?

397
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:27,840
Yeah. So, yeah, and there's a lot of speculation on that album, too, because in one of the videos it shows Freddie Mercury,

398
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:33,840
number one, he's wearing loose clothing and had a lot of makeup on, a lot of stage makeup, pancake makeup.

399
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,840
So they were hiding the fact of how frail he looked.

400
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,840
And the carposi sarcoma lesions on his face, which is also another frequent.

401
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,840
Yeah, they had that hit very well. The angles they shot from him were shadowy.

402
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:56,840
But the thing is, they said that they were actually tipping their hat because I think it's a Kind of Magic.

403
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840
No, no, no. I think it's Headlong.

404
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,840
Well, whatever song it was, they offer Freddie Mercury in a box.

405
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,840
Ah.

406
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,840
And he jumps up and starts singing.

407
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,840
They say that box was to signify to people's minds subconsciously.

408
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,840
He's not going to be here a whole lot longer.

409
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,840
Yeah, you picture him in his coffin.

410
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,840
Yeah, and I think it might have been Headlong, but one of them, only him is in this box.

411
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,840
It resembles an old fashioned coffin, nothing fancy.

412
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,840
You know how they had that kind of octagon thing coming down.

413
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,840
Yeah, it looked kind of like that, but not overwhelmingly.

414
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,840
But the whole fact was he was in a box and he had his arms crossed.

415
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,840
And then he jumps up and starts singing.

416
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,840
So people speculate is he's going away here soon, but he's still here now.

417
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:56,840
So anyhow, I think that Ozzy's going to probably do the same thing because let's face it,

418
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,840
an illness like that is so personal.

419
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,840
Yeah, it really is.

420
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,840
I don't want to watch him in bad shape.

421
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,840
I'll just remember him like he was.

422
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,840
Matter of fact, I love the idea of a final concert, but I'm not sure if I want to see it.

423
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,840
Yeah, it's going to be kind of rough.

424
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,840
There are some aging musicians where I've seen a concert late in their career

425
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840
and their voice is just gone.

426
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Their presence is gone.

427
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,840
It's like, oh, I wish I hadn't seen this far.

428
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,840
You guys really need to.

429
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,840
Okay, let me think what else here.

430
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,840
Okay, well, Ozzy, another thing that concerns me about Ozzy is this right here.

431
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840
They're in the rush to do this.

432
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,840
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like this has been accelerated.

433
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,840
So that would indicate to me at the very least he's not going to be the same person.

434
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,840
Yeah, clearly something has changed.

435
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,840
They've moved their total time table up.

436
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,840
And also, Sharon's admittance.

437
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,840
She admitted that it's progressed significantly.

438
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,840
Before that, it's like, oh, he takes a couple of pills.

439
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,840
He's okay. Nothing's wrong.

440
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840
But then you see him on video and he's shaking.

441
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,840
It's like, wait a minute.

442
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,840
They're getting us prepared for what we're going to see.

443
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,840
Yeah, yeah, now they have to admit it because, yeah.

444
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,840
So anyhow, Ozzy, we love you, man.

445
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,840
We wish this never happened.

446
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,840
But unfortunately, we can't live forever.

447
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,840
Yeah.

448
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,840
Or who wants to live forever? Queen.

449
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840
Seriously, if you live forever, everybody you know is going to die around you.

450
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,840
Yes. How depressing would that be?

451
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,840
Okay.

452
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:38,840
But yeah, I think this is, they're preparing us for how Ozzy's going to look and perform.

453
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:45,840
And then it's up to us individually to decide, do we want that to be the last thing we see of Ozzy?

454
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,840
Well, I'm going to watch it because this is for Ozzy.

455
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:49,840
Yeah.

456
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,840
Ozzy wants to do a final goodbye.

457
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,840
And I just want to see the joy on his face.

458
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,840
Yeah.

459
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,840
This guy's entertained me my whole life.

460
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,840
I love this guy.

461
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,840
I felt like I've known him my whole life.

462
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,840
I got to shake his hand, get an autograph.

463
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,840
It was one of the big things in my life.

464
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,840
I love it, you know.

465
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840
I have a tour book that he signed.

466
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Cool.

467
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,840
And it's a very cool, normal guy.

468
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,840
I talked to him for a minute and he wasn't like trying to shove me off or nothing.

469
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,840
He listened to me.

470
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,840
And he was very polite and very nice and thanked me for all my compliments.

471
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,840
He goes, thank you, I really appreciate it.

472
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,840
And you know, above all, you're a fan obviously.

473
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,840
And he was just so down to earth.

474
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,840
He had bronchitis and he was shaking, but he still did the signing.

475
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,840
Yeah.

476
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,840
So.

477
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,840
And I thought Zach Wild was going to be there, but it was Joe Holmes instead.

478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,840
Yeah.

479
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,840
And he actually played the concert that they played at Memorial Hall, I believe it was.

480
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,840
And anyhow, I was a little disappointed in that because I really wanted to get Zach Wild's...

481
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,840
I just love him.

482
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,840
I mean, he's such a guitarist and such a unique person.

483
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,840
But Joe Holmes is a really good guitarist too.

484
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,840
It's just you don't hear of him.

485
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Yeah.

486
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,840
You know, he pretty much did Ozzy and then he had a band called Pharmacos.

487
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,840
Oh, okay.

488
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,840
Yeah.

489
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,840
I remember hearing the name, but I don't know if I've ever heard of their music.

490
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,840
Yeah, it's Greek for farm.

491
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Yeah.

492
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,840
So whatever.

493
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:20,840
So anyhow.

494
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,840
I definitely have heard of that band before, but I don't think I've heard this.

495
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,840
It's a great guitar on it.

496
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,840
I can't say it's like a hit maker, obviously.

497
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,840
But great guitar.

498
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,840
You want to hear a good guitar.

499
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,840
You can look at it online.

500
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,840
So I don't think I've actually heard this concert on July 5th.

501
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Is it being broadcast live at the same time?

502
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,840
Okay.

503
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,840
I read a little bit about that on I think it's Classic Rock Online possibly.

504
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,840
One of those reputable ones, they're working on that.

505
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Okay.

506
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,840
They're working on that.

507
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,840
They want that to be an option because they know not everybody can get down there to Birmingham to do this.

508
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Yeah.

509
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:04,840
And a live pay per view event, you don't even have to do it in a theater anymore because people have home theaters that are even better.

510
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Well, they might charge you too, but it's going to go to a couple of foundations.

511
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,840
One of them is for Alzheimer's research.

512
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Or no, not Alzheimer's, Parkinson's research.

513
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,840
And then the other one I think is a benefit children like maybe psychological or something like that.

514
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,840
They're two very good reputable charities.

515
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,840
I support this 100 percent.

516
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,840
Buy it.

517
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,840
It goes to a good thing.

518
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,840
It doesn't go to these musicians.

519
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,840
They're dedicating their time and money to get there to make these charities money and honor Ozzy.

520
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:40,840
So I say buy it, watch Ozzy in his final performance, cherish it, and just go on after that.

521
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,840
Go back and relisten to Bark at the Moon.

522
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Jakey Lee is going to be there.

523
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,840
Now?

524
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:47,840
That's going to be cool.

525
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,840
Show us his bullet wounds.

526
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,840
They just get done motherfucking each other in the press for like three weeks.

528
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,840
And then, oh, by the way, Jakey Lee is coming to the event.

529
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,840
I want to see him and Zack come out.

530
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,840
But not only do I want to see him and Zack come out, I want Brad Gillis to come out.

531
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840
I want Joe Holmes to come out and Gus G to come out.

532
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840
And I think there's another guy in the middle there.

533
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:17,840
There's a guy that went before Brad Gillis and did one show.

534
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,840
I want him to be there too, whoever the fuck he is.

535
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,840
From what I've read, Sharon's planning that Ozzy is going to go out with a group of musicians.

536
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,840
And as he's doing songs, certain musicians will leave to be replaced by others.

537
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,840
But it's not like they're swapping out whole bands.

538
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840
It's like, OK, we've done these three songs.

539
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Now let's get a different guitar player in here.

540
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,840
And then they'll play a song and then change the drummer out.

541
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,840
So they might do like Bark at the Moon and then Jakey Lee is going to jump on stage.

542
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,840
Yeah.

543
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,840
It's going to be kind of like an open jam where the musicians come and go.

544
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,840
But Ozzy is still there.

545
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,840
Who's going to take Randy's place, I wonder.

546
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,840
Wow.

547
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840
They're just going to have to skip him.

548
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,840
I think Zack.

549
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,840
Yeah, maybe so.

550
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,840
I think Zack.

551
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,840
Yeah, you can't skip him.

552
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,840
No, you have to.

553
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Yeah.

554
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840
And they may not even do full songs.

555
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Oh, the medley is your best friend in a situation like that.

556
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,840
Yeah, so I think it's going to be a medley.

557
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,840
So wouldn't that be great to see Zack Wild and Jakey Lee on stage together?

558
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,840
That would be cool.

559
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,840
And those two specifically, because those are the ones, those are the guys who've done albums with him besides Randy Rhodes.

560
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
But he obviously can't be there.

561
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Yeah.

562
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Maybe in spirit, who knows.

563
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:38,840
But, you know, I would like to see the two guys that did most of all pretty much all the music on album with Ozzy at one time.

564
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,840
To me, that's just me.

565
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
That may be a nerd thing.

566
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,840
I'm sure you look like you're like that would be cool.

567
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Yeah.

568
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:52,840
I mean, there's several things you really want to see is you want to see all the best musicians from his touring bands.

569
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Yes.

570
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,840
You want to see all the best musicians from his albums and you want to see all the best musicians that helped him write these songs.

571
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,840
And that's going to be a lot of overlap.

572
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,840
But the outliers, you still want them invited in.

573
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840
You know, maybe there's somebody helped him write a bunch of hits, but that was it.

574
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840
He never played on the album or went on tour.

575
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,840
Bring them in.

576
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,840
At least have them walk on stage.

577
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Yeah.

578
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Brad Gillis, he was still friends with Ozzy.

579
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840
Well, I mean, it doesn't matter, obviously.

580
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,840
Jakey Lee and Sharon were at it really big time when he showed up.

581
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:30,840
But Brad Gillis was a very integral part of Ozzy's band because they didn't have anyone to play Randy's stuff.

582
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,840
Yeah.

583
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,840
And the one guy that filled in, they just did Sabbath stuff to satisfy that concert they owed.

584
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Oh, yeah.

585
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,840
And then when Brad Gillis had to learn it like three or four days and he did it, he did it very well.

586
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,840
He's actually he is a shredder.

587
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Yeah.

588
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840
But you wouldn't guess it because he does Night Ranger.

589
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Yeah, he plays what plays with the song needs and what the band needs.

590
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,840
And that's it. Yeah.

591
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,840
Yeah.

592
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:02,840
He does shredding, but he's not interested that in his music, which which is a sign of a really good musician.

593
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,840
Yeah. Yeah.

594
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Why not learn, have the ability to do all these different things?

595
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,840
You know, so when if you need it, you're called, you know, called on to do it, you can do it.

596
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Yeah. Maybe that's not what you like doing all the time.

597
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Matter of fact, Brad Gillis, Brad Gillis's book is the next one I'm getting.

598
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Ah.

599
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Because he's been in a lot of parts of the music industry that I want to know about, including Ozzy.

600
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840
He tells one of the best stories I've ever heard about Ozzy.

601
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,840
I'll tell the two stories, the Zach Wild story and the Brad Gillis story.

602
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,840
This is in Brad Gillis's book, I guess, from what I read online and possibly I might have heard on Eddie Trunk too, maybe on his.

603
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Oh, yeah.

604
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Show shows on his show online, maybe not on TV or, you know, Sirius XM or radio or whatever.

605
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,840
But Brad Gillis said that Ozzy used to go on benders and disappear.

606
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,840
And then when the show was coming up, Sharon would be like, APB, find Ozzy.

607
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,840
OK, so I guess he shows up and his head shaved.

608
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,840
And everyone's like, you're Ozzy Osmore.

609
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840
You cannot have your head shaved.

610
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,840
He did the Britney Spears.

611
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Yes. And it's like, what the fuck are you doing?

612
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840
So then Ozzy, no problem.

613
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,840
He goes into the drawer and he grabs a wig and he throws it on.

614
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,840
There.

615
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,840
And everyone's like, OK.

616
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,840
But then they're getting ready to go on stage.

617
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Ozzy goes over and gets a bottle of ketchup.

618
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
He pours it all over his head.

619
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840
He puts the fucking wig back on.

620
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840
And everyone's like, oh, my God, this show is going to be horrible.

621
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,840
This is going to be fucking horrible, man.

622
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,840
He's blasted out of his mind.

623
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,840
He's not going to be able to sing.

624
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,840
People are going to throw shit.

625
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,840
We're going to get ran out.

626
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840
And he does perfect, man.

627
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,840
People are screaming.

628
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,840
He's like going nuts.

629
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Then he tears his hair off and it looks like blood.

630
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,840
He just scalped himself.

631
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,840
Man, that was genius.

632
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Yes.

633
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,840
And meanwhile, he doesn't say anything to anybody.

634
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,840
They're like, oh, shit, this is going to be the worst thing ever.

635
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,840
And he's like, watch this.

636
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840
He's the master.

637
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,840
That's just like what Motley Crue said, too.

638
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,840
They said, it didn't matter what we did.

639
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,840
Ozzy would come out and outdo it.

640
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,840
Yeah.

641
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Yeah.

642
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,840
It was like they're talking about a festival over in Europe.

643
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840
And I think this was maybe Motley Crue.

644
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,840
They said them and Bon Jovi were fighting over who's going to be the headliner.

645
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Yeah.

646
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Oh, this is on Ozzy's Don't Blame Me.

647
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,840
It was released in like 97, maybe 96.

648
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,840
And it was like up to his life, his solo career, a little bit of Sabbath, too.

649
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Yeah.

650
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840
So they're all arguing over who's going to headline.

651
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840
Ozzy goes in and put me in whenever.

652
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,840
And they said, Daylight, he killed them.

653
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,840
He said that after Ozzy got off stage, they're both looking at each other like, it doesn't fucking matter.

654
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,840
And it's like, this crowd is gone.

655
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,840
They're spent.

656
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,840
He just took every ounce of energy they have and now they don't care.

657
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,840
A lot of them left.

658
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Yeah.

659
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Yeah, they didn't realize they're going to have to follow Ozzy.

660
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Yeah, they didn't think about that.

661
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840
They should have made him the headliner.

662
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Yeah.

663
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,840
But they were all fighting thinking they were the big shit.

664
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,840
They were not.

665
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,840
And then Zach Wild, he just joins the band and they're going to Japan.

666
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:16,840
And he didn't understand that like a lot of these mini bars in Japan, the wine are like thousand dollar wines.

667
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,840
Oh my gosh.

668
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Well, Zach Wild is like going crazy, you know, probably fucking ripped off his shirt.

669
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
He's like, yeah, you know, hanging out the fucking window and stuff.

670
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,840
He's going nuts.

671
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,840
OK, he's a brand new rock star, one of the biggest bands ever.

672
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840
And he's in Tokyo in a plush hotel.

673
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,840
All right.

674
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,840
So he grabs a bottle wide, opens it up, starts drinking and Ozzy goes, easy, easy, kid.

675
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,840
That's a thousand dollar bottle of wine.

676
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
You ain't made it that much.

677
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840
What?

678
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,840
No, that's a thousand dollar bottle of wine.

679
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840
So he goes, oh, OK.

680
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,840
He takes the cork.

681
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,840
He sticks it in his ass, not all the way, you know, just rimmed it around his asshole.

682
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,840
He rimmed it around his asshole, pulled his pants back up.

683
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,840
He calls down and he goes, I need someone up here immediately.

684
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,840
So the steward comes in there and he goes, the wine no good.

685
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,840
He goes, no, no, no, good wine.

686
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840
The wine no good.

687
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,840
He goes, oh, yeah, smell.

688
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,840
He stuck that up his nose.

689
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,840
And the guy goes, bad wine.

690
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,840
He took it and left.

691
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Perfect way to get it taken off your belt.

692
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Yeah, and they're all just, they're like, this is it.

693
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,840
This is the guy.

694
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,840
Yeah.

695
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
They're like, this is the guy for our band, no doubt.

696
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Yeah, you know he fits in at that point.

697
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Definitely.

698
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,840
I'm not sure which one, which story I like better.

699
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,840
Yeah.

700
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840
He had to be pretty young at that point, too, because when he joined, he was pretty young.

701
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Oh, he was.

702
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,840
He was like 19.

703
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,840
His name was like Zach Adams.

704
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,840
And he was on the Jersey scene.

705
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,840
He was just tearing it up.

706
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Yeah.

707
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,840
I think Terry Dunn from Banshee was like one of the finalists.

708
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,840
And I've heard this, this allegedly, I don't know.

709
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,840
I heard this from pretty good sources.

710
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Terry Dunn was supposedly gay.

711
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:05,840
And Sharon got, you know, the message from somebody.

712
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840
She got the Iggy on him.

713
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,840
And she said, we can't have a gay band member.

714
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,840
We need our band members out there getting pussy.

715
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Yeah, that's part of the image at that time.

716
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,840
It was thought to be extremely important.

717
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Supposedly that's why Zach Wilde got it.

718
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,840
And he could have got it anyhow.

719
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,840
He could have got it anyhow.

720
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,840
He was good enough.

721
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,840
But supposedly it was down between him and Terry Dunn, which he's a fantastic guitarist.

722
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,840
If you don't believe me, listen to Banshee Records, old ones, not the ones they put out later.

723
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,840
The ones in the 80s when they signed with Atlantic and should have done really good but didn't.

724
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:47,840
And allegedly Tommy Lee Flood did something stupid, like slept with some fucking producer's wife or something.

725
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,840
Allegedly.

726
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,840
Allegedly.

727
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,840
Yeah, yeah.

728
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,840
That's what they call artistic differences.

729
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Yeah, yeah.

730
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,840
And then the guy from Lanning said, don't push him.

731
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,840
Do not push this band.

732
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Fuck you.

733
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,840
But who knows if it's true.

734
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,840
You know, he could like fucking hit on someone's girlfriend or something or been a dick to someone.

735
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,840
They could have started that, so who knows.

736
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,840
My favorite audition story is an Ozzy story too.

737
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,840
When he was putting his band together and looking for a guitar player.

738
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Everybody was showing up with these big stacks.

739
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,840
Oh yeah.

740
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,840
And there was a whole bank of pedals in front of them.

741
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,840
And Randy was there with one guitar and a small combo amp and that was it.

742
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,840
And he made the first cut just based on that.

743
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Because it was about, hey man, if this is all he needs to get his point across, then he's worth another listen.

744
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,840
Yes.

745
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,840
Yeah, no, I read that story too and I thought that was excellent.

746
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,840
He's like, I don't need any gimmicks.

747
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,840
This is it right here.

748
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:52,840
And also, I think the fact that he was classically trained and all the other bands were coming at it from the blues standpoint.

749
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,840
Blues, maybe some soul.

750
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,840
Big difference in sound.

751
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,840
Yeah.

752
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,840
The blues had a baby, they called it rock and roll.

753
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,840
That saying is for a reason.

754
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,840
Most of them are blues chords, they're blues bass, the songs are blues.

755
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Blues progressions.

756
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,840
Yeah, the progressions, everything.

757
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,840
But Randy is like, doing kind of like Richie Blackmore.

758
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,840
Yeah.

759
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,840
A composition type of a song.

760
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Cary Livgren was another for Kansas.

761
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Yes, he was a really good example.

762
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Yeah, he wrote complex music.

763
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,840
Yeah.

764
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,840
So Richie Blackmore could write a rift like anybody and Randy Rhoades could too.

765
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,840
Yeah.

766
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,840
Very easily.

767
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:47,840
But the thing is they had the ability to step outside of there and go into a classical realm and go into different types of music where a lot of, and same way with Kansas, a lot of bands can't do that because their guitarist is blues.

768
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,840
He's locked into the scene.

769
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Yeah, he's locked into it.

770
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:58,840
And that's a comment I've heard over and over throughout my musical career is people like when something unexpected happens.

771
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,840
Yes, and Jimmy Page, great guitarist, but he couldn't do that.

772
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,840
Yeah.

773
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,840
He was pretty predictable.

774
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,840
Yeah, he was pretty predictable.

775
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:12,840
I mean he came up with some really unique riffs or songs, but you send them on stage and get them, you know, okay, come up with something that blows our minds.

776
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,840
He gets a violin bow.

777
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,840
Yeah, he gets his heroin solo.

778
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,840
Yeah.

779
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:27,840
But yeah, as an audience member, if the song goes in an unexpected direction, or as a band member, someone in the band takes the song in a different direction, it's like, oh, well, that's pretty cool.

780
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:35,840
And if you've got, you know, training in various other kinds of music, you can throw that in and make it work and you stand out.

781
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,840
And that's a big deal.

782
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,840
It really is a big deal.

783
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,840
Yeah, rumor had it Jimmy Page was on heroin and he thought he was an octopus.

784
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,840
Maybe he thought he was Doc Ock.

785
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Doc Ock, yeah.

786
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Yeah, who never gets enough credit.

787
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Yeah.

788
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Doc Ock was a great villain.

789
00:37:51,840 --> 00:38:00,840
When I was a kid, I got a Spider-Man comic and I saw Doc, Doctor Octopus and I identified with him because he wore glasses.

790
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,840
I had just started wearing glasses at the time.

791
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,840
I loved it because he had...

792
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,840
I liked Doctor Octopus.

793
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,840
He had still...

794
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,840
He was a bad guy, but I loved him.

795
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Spider-Man had some great villains like Batman did.

796
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,840
They weren't just like, I'm going to out-brawn you.

797
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,840
They're like thinkers like Doctor Doom and all them.

798
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,840
I mean, they were like crafty like, hmm, how can I destroy my enemy?

799
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,840
Let's have this panel here.

800
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840
James, come here.

801
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,840
What do you think we need to do to get rid of this Batman character?

802
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,840
It was that type of a thing, you know.

803
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,840
You watch Bonanza and the villains there are just so predictable and boring.

804
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Yeah, they pull out a gun, bam, someone gets them first.

805
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,840
Yeah.

806
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Yeah, should have been a little quicker.

807
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Yeah.

808
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,840
So anyhow, oh yeah, Doc Ock.

809
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,840
Yeah.

810
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,840
His tentacles were steel.

811
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Oh, I was just like, oh, that's the best thing ever.

812
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,840
That was so cool.

813
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,840
Yeah.

814
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,840
Yeah.

815
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,840
And I also appreciated that he's kind of like Lex Luthor, kind of a nerd.

816
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,840
Loved it.

817
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Yeah.

818
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,840
I loved it.

819
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,840
And back then, timeframe, we're talking about late 60s.

820
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,840
Spider-Man didn't mutate to where he could shoot web out of his wrist.

821
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,840
No, he was still.

822
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,840
He built an actual device that was strapped to his wrist and he would occasionally run out of web juice.

823
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,840
And he'd have to do a miracle.

824
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Yeah.

825
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,840
He had some superior balancing and jumping abilities.

826
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,840
So like one time he was in between buildings and he ran out of web.

827
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,840
Yeah.

828
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,840
He had to do a little jumping and balancing.

829
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,840
Yeah.

830
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:42,840
And that's funny in the reboots, it's all a physical, biological mutation that suddenly he now produces web out of his little hole in his wrist.

831
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,840
I liked it when he...

832
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,840
I liked it when it was a device.

833
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,840
I did too.

834
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,840
He had a combination of ingenuity, devices, and superpowers.

835
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,840
Yeah.

836
00:39:52,840 --> 00:40:02,840
And one of the reasons I liked him and Batman so well and Daredevil is because they didn't have all these abilities like Superman.

837
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,840
And Iron Man in the same way.

838
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Iron Man too, yeah.

839
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Yeah.

840
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,840
He's smart and he builds stuff.

841
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,840
Yeah.

842
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,840
That was kind of how Spider-Man...

843
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,840
I mean really the only effect he got from the Spider was his balance and ability to jump and like cling to a wall.

844
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Yeah.

845
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,840
But the web was...

846
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Everything else he figured out on his own.

847
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,840
Peter Parker.

848
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,840
Yeah.

849
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,840
But...

850
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,840
You know, he's a chemist and a radioactive spider bit him.

851
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,840
So there you go.

852
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Yeah.

853
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,840
Anyhow, we were on music, weren't we?

854
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,840
Yeah.

855
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,840
We were on music like that.

856
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,840
Yeah.

857
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,840
Well, pop culture.

858
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:35,840
What kind of spider was it?

859
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,840
They never did identify it.

860
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840
Wasn't it a black widow?

861
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840
Was it a black widow?

862
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,840
That's the picture in my mind.

863
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,840
It was a black widow.

864
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Yeah.

865
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,840
Hang on.

866
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Let's get to the Google.

867
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,840
Which is really odd because they're not jumping spiders.

868
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,840
That's right.

869
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Usually the jumping spiders don't spin webs and the web spiders don't jump.

870
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,840
And they're usually not venomous unless you go overseas and they have some jumping spiders that are venomous.

871
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,840
But usually here in America, a jumping spider is not venomous.

872
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,840
Yeah.

873
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,840
They kind of wrestle it to the ground and eat it alive.

874
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,840
A brown recluse.

875
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Yeah.

876
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,840
A brown recluse you have to step on.

877
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,840
And black widows are recluses too.

878
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,840
It's just not in their name.

879
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:12,840
Yeah.

880
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,840
They would rather hang out underneath a chair or something than get anywhere near you.

881
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,840
Yeah.

882
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,840
Yeah.

883
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,840
I mean, they're too busy devouring their mail after he impregnates her.

884
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,840
Yeah.

885
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,840
Hence the name, black widow.

886
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,840
Hang on.

887
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,840
Okay.

888
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,840
That's, you know, the downside of...

889
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840
What type of spider bit Peter Parker?

890
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,840
The downside to eating the mail after mating is he ain't never getting child support.

891
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,840
A black widow.

892
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,840
Black widow.

893
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,840
That's how I thought so.

894
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,840
All right.

895
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Look at that.

896
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,840
Yep.

897
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Yeah.

898
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,840
The spider jumped on him.

899
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,840
And then in 1975, there was Alice Cooper's album where a black widow was featured prominently.

900
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Yes, that's right.

901
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,840
That was pretty cool.

902
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Yep.

903
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
There are also false widows.

904
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,840
They get killed all the time.

905
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,840
Yeah.

906
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,840
That's true.

907
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,840
Yeah, they look like a black widow.

908
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Some of them are a little bit more brown, but people see that hourglass and they flip

909
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,840
out and kill it.

910
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,840
Yeah.

911
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,200
And also not all black widows have them on their abdomen underneath.

912
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Some of them have them on their back.

913
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,840
And some of them don't have them at all.

914
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,840
Yes.

915
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Some of them just have red spots.

916
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Have you ever heard of the robber fly?

917
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Yeah.

918
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Looks just like a bumblebee, but it's a fly.

919
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,200
It's a fly.

920
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,360
It's developed that disguise so birds won't eat it.

921
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,000
But now it gets killed by people who don't want to be around.

922
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Yes.

923
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Oops.

924
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Yeah.

925
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Oops.

926
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Yeah.

927
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,480
So I've always been a fan of the black widow.

928
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,720
I don't want one around me.

929
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,760
I don't want one to bite me.

930
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Look, they don't kill you unless you're in very bad health or you refuse to do anything

931
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,480
about it.

932
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,480
You get a blood infection.

933
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Blood disease.

934
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Yeah, true.

935
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,360
So traditionally, them, the brown recluses, will not kill you.

936
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,440
I think actually a brown recluse is more venomous than a black widow.

937
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,440
I think so.

938
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,440
Yeah.

939
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,920
But you always get the black widow like, oh, you're dead.

940
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Get you and that's it.

941
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920
Forget it.

942
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,920
Life's over.

943
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,360
And there are certain types of snakes too.

944
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,960
I think I read where a copperhead is more poisonous than a cottonmouth and rattlesnakes.

945
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Yeah.

946
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,240
And even that doesn't necessarily kill you.

947
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,240
No.

948
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:22,160
My grandfather had a fishing partner that wasn't all that bright and this guy said,

949
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
I'll bring the worms next time we fish.

950
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Well, he went out into the woods and was turning over rocks and logs and picked up a whole

951
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,320
nest of baby copperheads.

952
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,320
Oh, shit.

953
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,320
And they're just as venomous as the adults.

954
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,040
Actually I think they might be a little bit more.

955
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,120
They said that it's more potent, but you don't get as big of a dose.

956
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,400
Yeah, and they don't regenerate quite as fast.

957
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Yeah.

958
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,840
But he got the crap bitten out of his hand and arm by all of them.

959
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,560
And then he brought them along and he said, I got some worms.

960
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,560
They're the bitest worms I ever saw.

961
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Oh my God.

962
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,560
He was not right.

963
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240
And my grandfather was like, those are snakes.

964
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:57,360
But the guy's arm swelled up a bit, but that was it.

965
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,800
He got bit like five or six times by baby copperheads.

966
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,240
I think he was too dumb to die.

967
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,240
Yeah, maybe so.

968
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:07,360
Yeah, I think death is like, no, no, no, too much trouble.

969
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Yeah.

970
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,560
I looked into that once.

971
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,880
It was like how many people in Missouri got bit by copperheads last year, reported getting

972
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,280
bitten and it was like 172.

973
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Wow.

974
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,680
And then I said, how many people died from copperhead bites last year?

975
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Zero.

976
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Yeah.

977
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,720
It was like three went into the hospital, five or six went to the ER and the rest was

978
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:33,720
like meh.

979
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:34,720
Oh yeah.

980
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,960
But we hear about the ones that die.

981
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,160
It's like, oh my God, a copperhead bit him.

982
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,520
These things are terribly deadly.

983
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Oh, I know.

984
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,280
And a lot of people live back in the day when they didn't have medical treatment.

985
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,520
You know, as a matter of fact, my dad told me a story because he grew up in Northern

986
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Missouri out on a farm and they just bought some land that's all woods.

987
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,920
And anyhow, the whole thing is, it was riddled with timber rattlers everywhere.

988
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,920
Wow.

989
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,480
Yeah, you couldn't even walk in the field before it because they were out there too

990
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,460
hunting for food or whatever and they were laying eggs and very vicious, pissed off because

991
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:08,460
you were there.

992
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:09,460
That's their land.

993
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:13,200
And my dad was like, shit, I don't know what we're going to do.

994
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,960
My dad's just like, just hang out.

995
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,960
He brought four hogs.

996
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,480
He let them loose and they ate every one of them and their eggs.

997
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Yeah, yeah.

998
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,200
The hogs have that kind of almost like a cartilage shell under the skin.

999
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,800
They're real tough to get through.

1000
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,800
They can't penetrate.

1001
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,800
Yeah.

1002
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,800
So the snakes would bite them.

1003
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,280
It would just, you know, soak into the skin a little bit and then that was it.

1004
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,280
Yeah.

1005
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,400
And they thought they have, I think they might have natural immunity to.

1006
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Yeah, a lot of animals and creatures do have natural immunity.

1007
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,840
But like you said, the venom would soak into the fat and they'd be like, oh, that's all

1008
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,840
you got?

1009
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,840
We'll watch this.

1010
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,800
The only thing is you have to watch the hogs because they become feral.

1011
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Oh, very quickly.

1012
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,960
After nine days.

1013
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Yeah.

1014
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:03,660
And if you don't know a feral hog, they will destroy everything in its sight.

1015
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:08,600
They develop huge tusks and they'll kill you.

1016
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:15,880
The majority will run away from you, but the ones that decide that they'd rather face you

1017
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:16,960
will kill you.

1018
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Yeah.

1019
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,560
They will gore you to death with those husks.

1020
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,160
And you better be able to climb because if you stay on the ground with them, they're

1021
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
faster than you and they're stronger than you and they will try to kill you.

1022
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Yes.

1023
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,000
And have you ever heard the old saying, it went to shit and the hogs ate them?

1024
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Yes.

1025
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
That came from somewhere.

1026
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Yes.

1027
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
It happened.

1028
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
It does happen.

1029
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,040
The guys came over and said, he's already on the ground.

1030
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,320
Hey guys, come on, we can take him.

1031
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,320
It did happen.

1032
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,320
It did.

1033
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,320
It didn't happen all the time, but it did happen.

1034
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,320
Yeah.

1035
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,320
So you go, hey, where's Henry?

1036
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,720
Went to shit and the hogs ate him.

1037
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,720
No, where is he?

1038
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,480
No, he went to shit and the hogs ate him.

1039
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,960
I got his hat over here.

1040
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Yeah.

1041
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Or he could be like hamsters.

1042
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,440
Oh.

1043
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,240
If they have more babies than they have teats, the mom eats the extra babies.

1044
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,240
Yes, they do.

1045
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,240
And the mom eats them alive.

1046
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:08,240
Yeah.

1047
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,520
It's like, oh, I got 12 teats and I got 13 babies.

1048
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,400
I'm eating that one.

1049
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,960
I need nourishment and this little fucker ain't eating anyhow.

1050
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,960
And those are cute little hamsters.

1051
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Yeah, those are cute little hamsters.

1052
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,280
Imagine what the ugly animals do.

1053
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,280
How about a rat?

1054
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,880
They probably baseball bat their fucking prey, their little ones to death.

1055
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,880
Oh my God.

1056
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,440
That one sickly, give me the bat.

1057
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,320
I set mousetraps out in my garage a couple years ago because I had mice.

1058
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,640
I remember you had that one rat that was really smart.

1059
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,400
I didn't realize I had a rat until I caught a mouse in the mousetrap.

1060
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,400
Uh huh.

1061
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,760
And I found it on my way to work and it was like, oh, I'll deal with this later.

1062
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,280
And I came back later to get the dead mouse out of the trap and it wasn't there.

1063
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,380
It was like four feet away and only the head was left and the rat had eaten everything

1064
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:00,840
else out of the trap.

1065
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,840
Oh.

1066
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,000
And I thought, oh my God, I've got a rat in this, in this garage.

1067
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,960
But that rat caught and ate every one of those mice.

1068
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,960
I'd leave the rat.

1069
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Every single one.

1070
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,840
I'd leave the rat then.

1071
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,440
One rat as opposed to 30 mice?

1072
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Yeah, except the problem is that one rat doesn't say one rat.

1073
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Oh, wait a minute.

1074
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,680
You're right.

1075
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,560
And also it died, didn't it, in the wall or something?

1076
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,800
I had my garage door fixed so it didn't have a way out anymore.

1077
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,200
And rats need to drink water every single day.

1078
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Yeah, yeah.

1079
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,200
And they have to eat constantly too.

1080
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Yeah, well they have to chew to get through.

1081
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,920
Chew, yeah.

1082
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,920
To wear their teeth down.

1083
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,600
But they can only go about a day without water and there was no water in the garage.

1084
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
So after two days it was dead.

1085
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Because you just couldn't get out to drink.

1086
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Did you feel bad?

1087
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,040
No.

1088
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,440
No, I'm going to have to get rid of pretty much all of my fishing equipment.

1089
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,440
Because it made a big nest out of all my fishing equipment.

1090
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Oh, that's right.

1091
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,760
And it's all going to smell like rat and no fish is ever going to bite on it again.

1092
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Yeah, they're going to go by.

1093
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,560
Ah, solid pass.

1094
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Yeah.

1095
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:10,000
I had a friend of a friend whose body chemistry was so weird that if he touched the bait no

1096
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,400
fish would go near it.

1097
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,240
It was just that the oils and chemicals on his skin would make anything he touched just

1098
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,800
repellent to fish.

1099
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,800
That's interesting.

1100
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,600
I never even thought about someone could do that but I guess they could.

1101
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
He would always have somebody bait his hook for him.

1102
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,200
It's like I can't touch it or I'm never going to catch anything.

1103
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,560
See I think he was fucking lying just getting me to bait his hook.

1104
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Maybe so.

1105
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,000
But he could have made millions as being shark repellent.

1106
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
That's true.

1107
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,320
Yeah, if you want to go swimming in shark waters just get this guy to go with you.

1108
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,320
They're not mammals are they?

1109
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,320
They're fish.

1110
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,320
Okay, yeah, yeah, same thing.

1111
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,320
Dolphins are mammals.

1112
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,320
Yeah, that's right.

1113
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Well, the real ones that are actually porpoises.

1114
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,600
Yeah, the porpoises not flipper.

1115
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,520
The actual dolphin is an actual fish with a big giant forehead.

1116
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,520
It looks like Peyton Manning.

1117
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,520
They're kind of ugly, yes.

1118
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,520
They're kind of an ugly fish.

1119
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:07,160
So those are actual dolphins but what people call dolphins are actually porpoises and they're

1120
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,160
dampers.

1121
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,480
Yeah, I think they changed their name on porpoise.

1122
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,480
I think so.

1123
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1124
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Yeah, dad joke.

1125
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Yeah, yes, yes.

1126
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,680
It's just like, hey man, I just flew in from San Francisco.

1127
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,760
My arms are tired.

1128
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,360
Woo, knee slapper.

1129
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,280
We were talking about music, weren't we?

1130
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,440
I think so, yeah.

1131
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,440
Okay.

1132
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,360
I've been watching some reaction videos lately and I've learned that these are a whole lot

1133
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,360
of fun.

1134
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,360
Oh, they are.

1135
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Yeah, and I have been watching one guy in particular.

1136
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,480
His channel is called MollyboyTV and Mollyboy is actually an insult.

1137
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,040
It's what you call a somewhat effeminate androgynous young man.

1138
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,400
Yeah, I forgot what we call them over here.

1139
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,080
We have a name like that.

1140
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Nelly?

1141
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,080
Yeah.

1142
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Is it Nelly?

1143
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,840
I've heard Sissyboy and Nancyboy.

1144
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,320
Nancyboy is another one.

1145
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,080
I think it started as Nelly and it progressed into Sissy and Nancy.

1146
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,080
Yeah.

1147
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,280
Anyway, this young man, he apparently isn't gay because he's got a girlfriend who pops

1148
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,960
up every once in a while.

1149
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,040
But I branched out to watching some other people.

1150
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:27,440
I'll find a song and it's like I want to find reaction videos to this song.

1151
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,360
It's really interesting watching different people from different genres of music reacting

1152
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:38,240
to the same song like Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel.

1153
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:42,280
Most people get moved to tears by that who have never heard that song before and never

1154
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,520
heard of Simon and Garfunkel really, never played that kind of music.

1155
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,520
You know they have brothers?

1156
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,160
They listen and they're like, oh my God.

1157
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
They have brothers, Seymour and Garfunkel.

1158
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960
They're pretty cool.

1159
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,840
Anyhow, no, they're moved to tears, huh?

1160
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,240
Some of them are, yeah.

1161
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:58,240
Another good one was-

1162
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,840
It is a really good song though.

1163
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,800
The Righteous Brothers performing Unchained Melody.

1164
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,600
A lot of people are really moved by that one.

1165
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:13,860
So it's been a lot of fun to watch reaction videos to some of my favorite songs.

1166
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:19,960
And then I found kind of a subset of that is they'll take a famous, or not famous, but

1167
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:27,200
a very well known and well used drummer and play them a song that they've never heard

1168
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,040
before but remove the drum track.

1169
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:34,000
And they'll say, okay, listen to it and come up with your own drum track.

1170
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,000
And then we'll play-

1171
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,080
I like that a lot.

1172
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:41,160
And then eventually they play them the real one to hear how the actual song went and they're

1173
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,840
like, wow, I never thought of that.

1174
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:50,640
A lot of these, man, I mean, a lot of songs start with a drum track actually.

1175
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:58,560
The one I saw recently was Kenny Aronoff, who was the drummer for John Mellencamp.

1176
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:04,200
John Mellencamp and also Sammy Hagar.

1177
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,480
He came onto the scene as the drummer for John Mellencamp and then he had a lot of gigs.

1178
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,320
Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that.

1179
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,600
Yeah, he was with Mellenhead for a while.

1180
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,880
Mellen-Twaad, I don't know.

1181
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:22,280
But the song they gave him was Changes by Yes off the 90215 album.

1182
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,440
And he actually got it pretty close.

1183
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,640
It was interesting to listen to him picking things out.

1184
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,160
And there were some sections where he was half time when he should have been straight

1185
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,000
time or even double time.

1186
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,600
Well that stuff there, I mean-

1187
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,520
It's just like little choices and little decisions.

1188
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,200
Yeah, it's kind of like, I mean, actually you could probably get it to fit.

1189
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,080
But, I mean, that's kind of like a feeling thing and that's where a really good drummer

1190
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,000
trumps an average drummer.

1191
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000
Yeah.

1192
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,080
It's just like, you know, you can tell.

1193
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,080
You can tell by the progression.

1194
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,800
We talked about John Bonham.

1195
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,360
Jason Bonham's completely different.

1196
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,480
Take the father and son.

1197
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,800
Jason Bonham's a better drummer but he doesn't sound better.

1198
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Yeah, yeah.

1199
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,920
The guts and the soul and the feeling are there with John.

1200
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Yes.

1201
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Technically, Jason Bonham would school his dad.

1202
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,040
But sound wise, John Bonham got it.

1203
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,120
But anyhow, you were going somewhere with this.

1204
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,760
I was trying to remember the other ones I've seen.

1205
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,400
There's Dennis Chambers who did the Tool song.

1206
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Which one?

1207
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,640
I can't remember which song it was.

1208
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,640
Dennis Chambers.

1209
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,400
Where would I know him from?

1210
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,760
Oh gosh.

1211
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:42,840
Most of the places I've seen him are on showcases for the products he endorses like Pearl and

1212
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,360
Siljan and things like that.

1213
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:53,760
He's like a really huge, beefy, solid looking black guy in his 60s, maybe 70.

1214
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,600
And he's incredibly fast.

1215
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,800
And one of his gimmicks is he can sit and appear virtually motionless and just his wrists

1216
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,040
and his hands are moving.

1217
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,440
And he's whizzing around the kit like crazy.

1218
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,080
But it looks like he's just sitting there chewing a stick of gum.

1219
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,360
It just blows you away.

1220
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,360
Wow.

1221
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,400
But I have no idea what other musicians or artists he's played with.

1222
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,520
But he's like amazingly technical proficient.

1223
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,960
So a Tool song should be right up his alley.

1224
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,000
Yeah, absolutely.

1225
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,400
Sticking with Les Claypool would be insane.

1226
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,800
Oh, that's Primus.

1227
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,800
Oh Primus, shit.

1228
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,800
Yeah, Tool.

1229
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,800
Tool, Maynard.

1230
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,800
Maynard Ferguson, yeah.

1231
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,080
And see Adam Jones is a guitar player.

1232
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,080
Danny Carey is the drummer.

1233
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Yeah.

1234
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaking of Primus, they've settled on their new drummer.

1235
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Who was it?

1236
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,960
John Huffman or something like that?

1237
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,160
A friend of mine was auditioning for him.

1238
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,680
I always get Primus and Tool mixed up.

1239
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,680
I know.

1240
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,680
It's tough.

1241
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,680
And both of them, the music's really out there.

1242
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:02,680
Yeah.

1243
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Let me see.

1244
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:04,680
Primus.

1245
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,080
Oh, I know what I was going to ask.

1246
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,760
Okay, John Huffman, yeah.

1247
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,760
Okay.

1248
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Yeah, a friend of mine, Sean Sharp, was auditioning.

1249
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,200
But he apparently didn't get it.

1250
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:25,040
So this Huffman guy, the band was looking for somebody who wouldn't be a clone of the

1251
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,200
guy who left, Tim Herb Alexander.

1252
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,200
They're like, we don't want you to be just like him.

1253
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,360
We want you to bring your own style and flavor.

1254
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,040
We don't have to sound exactly the same.

1255
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,640
That's not what we want.

1256
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,480
So that was a challenge for the drummers to not only learn the Primus material, but their

1257
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,840
own take on it.

1258
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,840
Oh, yeah.

1259
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,840
Yeah.

1260
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,840
Oh, I got a question for you.

1261
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,840
You spoke of Yes.

1262
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,880
You know what 90125 stood for?

1263
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,840
I always figured it was a take off on that Hollywood 90210 show.

1264
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,960
Okay, no.

1265
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,740
I think what it was was this right here.

1266
00:56:59,740 --> 00:57:01,400
This is what I read, and I don't know if it's true.

1267
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,800
It's going to be the release dates of albums coming up, but they never made it that far

1268
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,880
with that lineup.

1269
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:07,880
Oh.

1270
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,120
Yeah, so it changed.

1271
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,880
They kind of had their release dates.

1272
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,000
They're like, the next three albums we plan on releasing this day, this day, and this day.

1273
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,120
It was like, I don't think it was in all in the-

1274
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Not the same month.

1275
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Yeah.

1276
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,120
Yeah.

1277
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Yeah.

1278
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,480
So they put them all together, and that was supposed to be their albums coming up, but

1279
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,640
they switched so many members, it never happened.

1280
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,480
That's what I read online, whether that's true or not, I don't know.

1281
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,000
I never bothered to try to figure it out, but how could I because the albums never came

1282
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,480
out like they should have?

1283
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,480
Yeah.

1284
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,600
I know of two albums that were supposed to be someone's solo album that wound up being

1285
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,640
a band album and one that went the other way.

1286
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:59,440
The Pink Floyd album, Momentary Lapse of Reason, was supposed to be a David Gilmore solo album.

1287
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,440
Oh, yeah.

1288
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,360
But it just kind of didn't work out that way, so it became the next to the last Pink Floyd

1289
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,360
album.

1290
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,360
That's right.

1291
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,360
And then 90215-

1292
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,080
Which is a great album, Jim.

1293
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,080
It was.

1294
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,080
It was what I really enjoyed.

1295
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,560
It actually sounded like Floyd.

1296
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,560
It did.

1297
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,560
It really did sound like Floyd.

1298
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,120
It didn't sound all that much like David Gilmore solo stuff, which is why I think they decided

1299
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,120
to release it.

1300
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,120
Was that the one with Division Bell?

1301
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,120
No, that was the one after.

1302
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,120
That was the one after.

1303
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Yeah.

1304
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,560
Momentary Lapse of Reason, Learning to Fly, Dogs of War.

1305
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,320
Yeah, Dogs of War is a good song.

1306
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,840
Sorrow was another one that has that awesome guitar intro.

1307
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,960
The next one was the one we were just talking about, Yes' 90125.

1308
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,920
That was supposed to be the guitar player Trevor Rabin's solo album.

1309
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,520
But he kept getting members of Yes to come and work on it and finally it just became

1310
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,520
a Yes album.

1311
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,640
And they had him join Yes for a brief time.

1312
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,320
So that would have been a Trevor Rabin album.

1313
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:05,040
And then the only one I know of that went the other way was a band called The Motels.

1314
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,320
Martha Davis was the singer.

1315
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,760
And they were in the studio working on an album when she decided, you know what, I don't

1316
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,120
want to be in this band anymore.

1317
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,280
Let's just all split up.

1318
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,360
So the band was in essence fired.

1319
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,960
And then she continued working on the material and released it as her first solo album called

1320
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,960
Policy.

1321
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,960
Oh, wow.

1322
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,960
Yeah.

1323
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:27,960
It was supposed to be a Motels album.

1324
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:34,720
And the songs where she still had songwriting rights to, she used all of those on her first

1325
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,720
solo album.

1326
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,840
There's actually several albums that were supposed to be solo albums but became band

1327
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,600
albums because of the record label.

1328
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:42,600
Ah, okay.

1329
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,760
These are the only ones I knew of.

1330
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,960
I was hoping you'd have some more.

1331
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,960
Okay.

1332
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,520
Tony Iommi, 7th Star.

1333
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:55,160
It came out as Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi.

1334
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,760
But he wanted to not only use Glenn Hughes but some other singers too.

1335
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,480
But Glenn Hughes is going to be a stage guy too.

1336
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,800
But the record label said no.

1337
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,840
You have to use your name Black Sabbath or we're not backing you.

1338
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Yeah, I can see from a business standpoint they got to protect their interests.

1339
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,200
Yeah.

1340
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,480
And then let's see, what was the other one?

1341
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,480
There's another one too.

1342
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,640
Damn it.

1343
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,200
Shit, I had another one that I remember now, I forgot it.

1344
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,480
But I'll remember it I'm pretty sure.

1345
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,360
It just popped in my head.

1346
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,320
But most notably Black Sabbath.

1347
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,120
There's been a couple other ones too.

1348
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,640
Anyhow, you know what, I'm blanking on it.

1349
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,360
I recently learned about another case where the people playing on the song aren't the

1350
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,360
ones you think.

1351
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,360
They're not even in the band.

1352
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,360
That's right.

1353
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:53,720
In, let's see, it was 1971, Alice Cooper's band was working on the Killer album and the

1354
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,720
first song is called Under My Wheels.

1355
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,400
And it's got a really good blues riff to open up the song.

1356
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,480
And it turns out that all of the guitars on that whole track, every one of them was played

1357
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,840
by Rick Derringer.

1358
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:08,920
Really?

1359
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,920
The band had written the song.

1360
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Rock and roll, Hoochie Coo guy.

1361
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:11,920
Rock and roll, Hoochie Coo guy.

1362
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:12,920
Yeah, okay.

1363
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,760
Turns out the band had written the song and they were playing it and it just didn't have

1364
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,760
that feel.

1365
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,280
And the producer was like, this just isn't working.

1366
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,400
You guys aren't selling it.

1367
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,960
So he got Rick Derringer in to play it.

1368
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,600
And the band was like, oh, okay, that's it right there.

1369
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,840
So after Derringer recorded all the parts, the band went back and learned the way he

1370
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,840
played it.

1371
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,760
The two guitar players, Buxton and Bruce, were like, okay, let's learn exactly how he

1372
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,760
played it.

1373
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,600
And that's the way they played it on the tour.

1374
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,560
But on the album, that's all Rick Derringer on guitar.

1375
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,560
Wow.

1376
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,560
Yeah.

1377
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,160
It's like Train Kept A-Rollin', Aerosmith, that's Steve Hunter on guitar.

1378
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,920
That's not Joe Perry and Brad Hamilton.

1379
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,500
Oh, that's right.

1380
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,600
And also there are several albums that they erased the original because they didn't get

1381
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,220
along with the guitarist or whoever.

1382
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:09,520
And they erased all of their parts and put in someone else playing their parts.

1383
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,160
ZZ Top did that with...

1384
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,040
The first one with the 32 Ford Coupe on it, was that Eliminator?

1385
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Eliminator.

1386
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,040
Yeah.

1387
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,240
Their drummer, Frank Beard, they had him actually recording drum parts during the day.

1388
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,120
And then at night, Billy Gibbons would go in and replace them with a drum machine.

1389
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,820
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1390
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:34,640
And then eventually when the album was being mixed and they were listening to it, the drummer,

1391
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,820
Frank Beard, was like, who the fuck is that playing on this song?

1392
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:38,820
That's not me.

1393
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:40,680
They were sneaking in here to replace me.

1394
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,000
And then they had to tell him, well, it's a drum machine because this sounds better

1395
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,080
than how you play.

1396
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,720
So from that point on, from Eliminator on, it was drum machines on the album.

1397
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,560
And then Frank Beard would have to learn the parts that Billy Gibbons programmed into the

1398
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
drum machine and play them on tour.

1399
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,260
And he'd have to fake along on the videos.

1400
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:01,720
But that was all drum machines.

1401
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,200
I got an interesting story.

1402
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,040
This is in Tony Iommi's autobiography.

1403
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,680
There are a lot of interesting stories in that.

1404
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,320
That is one of the great books that never got enough credit.

1405
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,760
It's called Iron Man.

1406
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:20,280
And OK, so he the reason Dio split with them, they did two albums, two very successful,

1407
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,800
really good albums that they they broke up during their prime.

1408
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,560
I mean, you know, it came hard hitting with Heaven and Hell and then the Mob Rules.

1409
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,760
Both of them did very well.

1410
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:41,240
And so they were they were mixing mob rules and for some reason, during the night, Iommi

1411
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:53,640
and Butler would do the tracks and then Dio and Aposi would come in and do their tracks

1412
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,440
and then they'd mix them together.

1413
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:04,720
Well, Iommi and Butler kept when they came in, they said, this is not the same song.

1414
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,200
They're changing it.

1415
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,320
And Dio swore up and down.

1416
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,320
They did nothing to it.

1417
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,360
He said, we did not touch it.

1418
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,880
And then they would do it again.

1419
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,720
And they'd say, no, this song is different.

1420
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,480
And then supposedly one of the recorders, one of the guys that helped record it, come

1421
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,120
in stinking a scotch one day and he goes, I got to admit it, they were messing with

1422
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,240
it, they were doing stuff with the song and I helped them and all this stuff.

1423
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:33,320
So then they went back to Dio and they were already mad at him because he got a record

1424
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,260
when he got Sabbath, the Warner Brothers deal.

1425
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:42,280
He got a record deal solo and they were like, hey, wait a minute, you're our guy.

1426
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,360
You're not your guy.

1427
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,360
You're our guy.

1428
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,360
You would definitely feel used at that point, wouldn't you?

1429
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,360
Yeah, they did.

1430
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,920
They're like, this guy's trying to prop his own career.

1431
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,560
And so that already caused dissension in the band.

1432
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:59,960
And then after the taking over the music, supposedly, allegedly, was the final straw,

1433
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,160
and then they all got into a big fight and that was it.

1434
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,560
He left and he had his two album deal anyhow with Warner Brothers.

1435
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:12,400
So he went on to do his solo career and Sabbath got Ian Gillum, which did turn out to be very

1436
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,720
bad, although they're friends now.

1437
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Yeah.

1438
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Yeah, a lot of cocaine, a lot of fights, and allegedly Ian Gillum's boat being blown up

1439
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,000
by Gieser Butler.

1440
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,720
Oh, what is it about people blowing up other people's boats?

1441
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:28,720
I don't know.

1442
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,440
I mean, is that like a pleasure thing?

1443
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,020
It's like, I'll get you.

1444
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:36,280
You like to hang out on the, you know, hang out on the ocean, don't you?

1445
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,280
I'll blow up your fucking boat, Dick.

1446
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,280
Hold my beer.

1447
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,460
Yeah, hold my beer.

1448
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:47,840
So anyhow, and then there's another story in Iommi's book.

1449
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,420
He was on cocaine really bad for many years, right?

1450
01:05:51,420 --> 01:05:55,160
His house in Beverly Hills, he thought was haunted.

1451
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,920
He kept hearing things in the walls and he's like, number one, he's like, well, you know,

1452
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,720
and I am pretty much coked out.

1453
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:02,720
Yeah.

1454
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,160
But I'm pretty sure what about I hear.

1455
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,240
It's got to be haunted.

1456
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,360
Turns out a year or so later, there was people living in his walls, homeless people.

1457
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,800
Oh, that would be so creepy.

1458
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:15,800
Yeah.

1459
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,520
And that was in his book too.

1460
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,560
Very good book.

1461
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,200
So anyhow, what are you looking up?

1462
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:33,880
Well, I was going to mention about Leonard Skinnerd's first album.

1463
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,080
It's the one that's, that's a, is titled to pronounce Leonard Skinnerd.

1464
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:46,480
The bass player on the album was someone they brought in last minute because the bass player

1465
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,720
who worked up all the songs and wrote all the bass parts was in jail for some reason.

1466
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,480
I'm trying to, was desperately trying to look that up.

1467
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,380
I remember reading, reading the back of the album and it says right on the album that

1468
01:06:59,380 --> 01:07:04,160
all the bass parts you're hearing were written by, you know, this guy who wasn't able to

1469
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,160
do the recording.

1470
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,200
And so they hired a different bass player.

1471
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:16,760
Apparently it was, was showing Ed King as a, as a bass player.

1472
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,040
And he was, Ed King was also one of the guitar players.

1473
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,920
So I think he filled in on bass.

1474
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:21,920
Okay.

1475
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,560
That was Kerry King's cousin.

1476
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,920
Oh, okay.

1477
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,920
No, not really.

1478
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,320
No, whenever someone has the same last name, always tried to do that.

1479
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,320
And then everyone goes, really?

1480
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:34,320
Hell, like that?

1481
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,320
Not really.

1482
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,560
And then on the second album, it's Leon Wilkerson.

1483
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:43,040
That's the guy who apparently was in jail and couldn't record their first album with

1484
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,040
him.

1485
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,680
And Ed King is back to the guitar and backing vocals.

1486
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,080
Oops.

1487
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,840
So that was kind of interesting that somebody missed the recording of the album because

1488
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,840
they're locked up.

1489
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,080
How many times does that really happen?

1490
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,080
Oops.

1491
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:06,280
Well, that happened a lot in prior early Motley Crue.

1492
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,280
No, that's true.

1493
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,280
Yeah.

1494
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,760
But they weren't necessarily recording albums at that time.

1495
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,800
When Vince Neil was on probation for his vehicular manslaughter.

1496
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:17,800
Yeah.

1497
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,800
Yeah.

1498
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:19,800
Boy, they got him good.

1499
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,400
They had to get, he had to get special dispensation so he could stay in the band because part

1500
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,800
of the probation was you can't hang around with other convicted felons.

1501
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,920
Little Nikki Sixx was a convicted felon.

1502
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:37,040
So he had to get permission to hang around just this one convicted felon.

1503
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,040
Wow.

1504
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,080
So he could stay in the band.

1505
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,440
Meanwhile, Mick Morris Bob Deal was over there going, these guys are fucking idiots because

1506
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:47,440
he was older.

1507
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:49,400
Why did I sign up with these guys?

1508
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,400
Yeah.

1509
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,420
And he'd already been playing classic music and he wanted to make it really bad.

1510
01:08:55,420 --> 01:09:00,880
So he answered an ad I think or no, he put out and had loud, rude, aggressive guitarist.

1511
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:01,880
Yeah.

1512
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:07,760
And then they answered it and he came over there and his, his tuning of the guitar, number

1513
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,200
one is different.

1514
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,960
I'm not sure what he tunes it to.

1515
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,600
Do you know?

1516
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,960
There's all sorts of variations of alternate tuning.

1517
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,280
So it can be different for different songs.

1518
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,600
But wasn't like a grunge down tuning.

1519
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,600
It was something else.

1520
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,600
It was a little bit sharper.

1521
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,040
Yeah, Stevie Ray Vaughan tuned all of his strings a half step down.

1522
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:33,840
There are some players who will use the DAD GAD tuning instead of the standard tuning.

1523
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,800
It's not really called drop tuning necessarily.

1524
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,600
It's just alternate drop tuning is just when you drop the E down.

1525
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,200
Yeah, actually alternate tuning.

1526
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,200
Yeah.

1527
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,800
So there are a lot of alternate tunings out there.

1528
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,720
So Mick Morris did that.

1529
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,840
He changed his name to Mick Morris too.

1530
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:52,680
And he decided he was going to kind of tried this whole new scene in LA out.

1531
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:59,960
And it turns out, I mean, his tile of blues with that different sound, he's pretty heavy

1532
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:04,320
guitarist was a perfect fit for Motley Crue, except their personalities.

1533
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,320
Yeah.

1534
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,320
Yeah.

1535
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,240
They pretty much hated him and he hated them.

1536
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,560
And they've been admitted in a lot of a lot of interviews.

1537
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,760
They're like, yeah, we don't really necessarily get along that well, but we play.

1538
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:15,760
Yeah.

1539
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,080
And you really don't have to like all your coworkers in order for the business to be

1540
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,200
a success.

1541
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,920
I'm pretty sure Vince Neil doesn't like any of them.

1542
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:23,920
Yeah.

1543
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,880
I mean, you know, he got kicked out of the band.

1544
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,880
Yeah.

1545
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,520
Or maybe he quit.

1546
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,520
I forgot.

1547
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,520
I forget which way it goes, but they all snubbed him when his daughter died.

1548
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,520
Yeah.

1549
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,200
Nobody bothered to say that happened in Led Zeppelin too, actually.

1550
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:40,760
Robert Plant's son died.

1551
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:41,760
Yeah.

1552
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,320
How much would you want to talk to these or like these guys after that?

1553
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,480
Well, you'd be like, not anyone could reach out and say, hey, sorry.

1554
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,480
You know, nothing.

1555
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,480
The only time the next time they talk to you is because they need you in the band because

1556
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,440
the record company was going to drop them.

1557
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:57,440
Yeah.

1558
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:58,440
Yeah.

1559
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,280
I've been like, number one, I got enough money.

1560
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,280
Fuck you.

1561
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,720
I do good on my own.

1562
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,360
I'll just keep doing that.

1563
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,820
You guys go get John Karabi.

1564
01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:07,520
See how well that works.

1565
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,360
I've been hearing stories that Steven Tyler's voice is starting to come back.

1566
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,360
Yeah.

1567
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,360
He played a concert.

1568
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,360
Oh, he did?

1569
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:20,080
I was going to say if they try to get Aerosmith back, I really seriously doubt Joey Kramer

1570
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,080
is going to come back.

1571
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,080
I don't think so.

1572
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,080
He really, yeah.

1573
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,240
I mean, he lost his job from Aerosmith.

1574
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,560
They were going to do that residency and he needed some surgery.

1575
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:36,560
So he lost his job to a fill in who they just paid union scale to.

1576
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,600
And then when he got better, the band said, well, you still need to audition for us.

1577
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,840
You don't just come back and get your job.

1578
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:43,840
Yeah.

1579
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:44,840
I was astounded.

1580
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,200
Why in the fuck would they do that?

1581
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,280
I mean, because they weren't planning on hiring him.

1582
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,520
This is just gives them an excuse.

1583
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:51,720
And he said, screw you.

1584
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:52,720
Yeah.

1585
01:11:52,720 --> 01:12:00,280
No, he worked hard at learning and send in an audition tape and they kind of, so he sent

1586
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,120
in another one and they're like, yeah, you're not good enough yet.

1587
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,200
You can try again next year, but for now you're not good enough yet.

1588
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,200
Wow.

1589
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,240
At that point, he said, fuck you guys.

1590
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,440
What a pussy thing to do.

1591
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:13,440
I'm sorry.

1592
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:14,440
Yeah.

1593
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:19,240
Well, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry are like Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx.

1594
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,240
They want the money.

1595
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,240
Yeah.

1596
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,240
They want the money.

1597
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,520
The toxic twins that hated each other most of the time.

1598
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,520
Same way with those guys.

1599
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,520
They don't like each other that necessary.

1600
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,480
If it ever was about the music, it isn't anymore.

1601
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:30,480
No, no, no.

1602
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,000
It was about the music before, but it's like Motley Crue.

1603
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,880
It's not now.

1604
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,240
Joey Kramer had such an intricate part in Aerosmith too.

1605
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,240
Yeah.

1606
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,160
Their songs would have sounded so different without him.

1607
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,160
I know.

1608
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,160
They really would.

1609
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:48,240
I don't realize how much his sound is in Aerohead, or not Aerohead.

1610
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Aerosmith.

1611
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,240
Aerosmith.

1612
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,240
Aerohead, yeah.

1613
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Yeah.

1614
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,080
Joe Perry was not all of it.

1615
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,200
He was not all of it at all.

1616
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:03,360
People seem to think that, but if you want to know that, listen to The Joe Perry Project.

1617
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,920
Yeah.

1618
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,800
And go look up Brad Hamilton on Google search, on YouTube.

1619
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,840
He is one of the most well-respected rhythm guitarists out there.

1620
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,480
Oh, Brad Hamilton is awesome.

1621
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:16,480
Yeah.

1622
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:22,840
No, his sound is a lot more of Aerosmith's sound, but I mean all of them.

1623
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,720
Well, look at Steven Tyler.

1624
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,440
Steven Tyler, without him, would they have been Aerosmith?

1625
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:31,440
No.

1626
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:36,200
No, but Joey Kramer, no, he's not coming back.

1627
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,320
I wouldn't think so.

1628
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,560
He would probably have enough pride, and I don't think they would ever offer him the

1629
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,840
money it would take to get him to come back, because I'm sure he'd want to be an equal

1630
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,040
partner again.

1631
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,440
They're so used to not having to pay a fifth band member.

1632
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,320
No, I mean, he's not going to come back anyhow.

1633
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,320
I really don't think so.

1634
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,920
I mean, do you think he was that slow, really?

1635
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,400
No, no.

1636
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:07,880
He's always been an amazing drummer, and what the band was saying is your endurance isn't

1637
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,720
enough to make it through the whole show.

1638
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,280
Oh, just like Bill Warden, maybe.

1639
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,600
They said that about Bill Warden, too.

1640
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,600
Yeah.

1641
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,400
And it's such a subjective thing that if you've made up your mind you don't want him anymore

1642
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,240
because it's cheaper to hire somebody else, then that's one thing.

1643
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,880
Oh, your endurance isn't good enough.

1644
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,360
Like, no, in the second hour we can just hear it's not as good.

1645
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,360
How do you say your line?

1646
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,080
How do you prove that they're just making that up so they can fire you?

1647
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,080
I mean, it's a perfect excuse.

1648
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,360
No, they could listen and go, well, you kind of sound like you slowed down.

1649
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:43,200
I mean, Lars Jurek, I mean, you'd think he could maybe not play his stuff anymore, but

1650
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,200
he can.

1651
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,200
He can now.

1652
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,880
There was a point in time where he couldn't replicate what was on the album.

1653
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Oh, did he?

1654
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Yeah.

1655
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,160
I went to a drum clinic put on by Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.

1656
01:14:55,160 --> 01:15:01,840
It was after their second album came out, Awake, and they had toured with Metallica

1657
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,720
on their first album, Images and Words.

1658
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,200
And he said all that tour, there was a drummer backstage doing the double bass parts for

1659
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,680
Lars because he was too out of it.

1660
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:18,920
He didn't have the endurance and the stamina, and he partied too much, and he wasn't practicing,

1661
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,000
and he was in no physical shape to do it.

1662
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,840
So on that tour, yeah, he had someone play his parts for him.

1663
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,520
But yeah, then he's cleaned up and he's back to being himself again.

1664
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,200
He's very obviously back playing and very fit, et cetera.

1665
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,720
But on that tour, he needed someone propping him up.

1666
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,320
Oh yeah, yeah.

1667
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:43,800
And let's see, I was going to go back to Aerosmith.

1668
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:49,760
Another thing is, Joe Perry was notorious bad with drugs.

1669
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:54,920
So yeah, the toxic twins are right.

1670
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,640
They necessarily didn't care for each other half the time, but they would gang up on the

1671
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,640
rest of the band.

1672
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,200
Yeah.

1673
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:08,400
In a situation like that, if you can come to a situation, an agreement where we don't

1674
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:14,240
get along, we don't like each other, but this is working for both of us, let's protect it.

1675
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:20,280
So you fight against each other to some degree, but you fight with each other against everybody

1676
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:21,280
else.

1677
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,680
You know, okay, have you seen Aerosmith in concert?

1678
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:27,680
Just videos.

1679
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:28,680
Okay.

1680
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,120
I haven't seen them live in person, but I have seen whole concerts on video.

1681
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,080
Hamilton played a lot of the lead.

1682
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,080
Yeah.

1683
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,080
He really did.

1684
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,040
And I never knew that until I watched him.

1685
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,920
STP opened up for him at Sandstone.

1686
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,600
And I was watching that and I was like, wow, I never knew that.

1687
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,720
I always thought it was Joe Perry because he was the prolific one.

1688
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,280
They're the toxic twins.

1689
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Yeah.

1690
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:57,480
I think on the albums, it's probably Joe Perry a lot on the solos, but in the studio, you

1691
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:03,760
can stop the tape and swap guitars and then play another part of the solo or you can play

1692
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,760
the second solo on a different guitar with different effects, but live, you just give

1693
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:08,760
it to the other guitar player.

1694
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:09,760
Yeah.

1695
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,160
And to me, it reminds me of Adrian Smith and Dave Murray.

1696
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:17,200
You know how they both play lead and both switch over?

1697
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,400
It was kind of like that.

1698
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:26,080
So I mean, anyhow, I mean, but there's also, let's see, I was trying to parlay into something

1699
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,080
else.

1700
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,760
How many people don't realize that a band member isn't doing, I'm trying to figure out

1701
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,120
how to say this.

1702
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,120
They think that a band member is doing everything when actually there's another guitarist doing

1703
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:47,720
something or how would you word that?

1704
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,920
It's a skill you have to develop to be able to pick out the different instruments you're

1705
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,680
hearing and realize when you're hearing one guitar, two guitars, three guitars.

1706
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,280
I still have a lot of trouble with that.

1707
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,360
There's some songs I'll give it to a guitar player and say, is that one guitar playing

1708
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:02,360
or is that two?

1709
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,120
And they're like, hell, I don't even know.

1710
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,120
Well how about K.K.

1711
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,760
Downing and Glenn Tipton?

1712
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,760
Downing is no longer with the band.

1713
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,920
He's never going to be with a band again, according to them.

1714
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:17,080
So evidently Glenn Tipton is a very good guitarist, but K.K.

1715
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,720
Downing had all the recognition.

1716
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,120
Everybody thought that he was the guy.

1717
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,000
And Tipton plays a lot of it too.

1718
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,800
There's a lot of bands like that where they have two dual guitarists.

1719
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,560
Oh, Steve Clark and Phil Collins was like that.

1720
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,160
Phil Collins is a shredder.

1721
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,600
Steve Clark was more of a rhythm guy, but he did play a lot of the leads.

1722
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,600
Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley.

1723
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,600
Another one.

1724
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,400
That's what I'm trying to say is people that have the idea that the one guitarist did it

1725
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:48,600
all but actually it was more of a kind of a Whitfield parry, but there's a better example

1726
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,120
than that.

1727
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,640
How about Izzy Stradlin and Gilby Clark?

1728
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,840
Well Gilby Clark too later.

1729
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,360
But Izzy Stradlin and Slash.

1730
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,760
Izzy Stradlin played a lot more of the guitar parts, but there's more that I'm not thinking

1731
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:06,760
of.

1732
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:07,760
Damn it.

1733
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,160
I really wanted to do this before it too.

1734
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,920
Where you think one guitarist is a guy, but actually the other guy is doing just as much

1735
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,240
if not more.

1736
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:16,240
Yeah.

1737
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:17,240
Yeah.

1738
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,900
I've seen that a lot in live performances where the rhythm guitar is the guy over there

1739
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:24,800
playing everything you remember from the record or the recording of it.

1740
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:29,600
And the lead guitar player is standing there really not doing anything until the vocalist

1741
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,600
stops and he noodles a little bit and then he stops while the vocalist sings and he noodles

1742
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,600
a little bit.

1743
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,120
And then it was time for a solo, he's over there shredding.

1744
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,160
But it's the rhythm guitar who's carrying the song.

1745
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,800
Paul Stanley's a classic example of that.

1746
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,080
Paul Stanley also did a lot of the licks and the leads on it too.

1747
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,760
He didn't do the solos, none of that.

1748
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,240
The note bending, Ace Freelie, he's just so good at that.

1749
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,480
The feeling though, a lot of the feeling came from Stanley.

1750
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:03,360
You have a song and you have the feeling of it and that is what would you say generated

1751
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:11,000
through the feeling, kind of like the melody and how the guitar goes with or against the

1752
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,000
singing.

1753
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
Yeah.

1754
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,320
Yeah.

1755
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:16,560
You can do a lot with counterpoint.

1756
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:22,800
It's like the song is doing this so the little lead comes in and does a counterpoint to it.

1757
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:23,800
Yeah.

1758
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,400
To where you don't just go along with it and mimic it or harmonize with it.

1759
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,440
It's like you actually play off of it.

1760
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:32,120
And that can add some interest and excitement.

1761
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:38,480
And the tone you get can make a difference, the way you play it, whether you're pushing

1762
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:44,240
or you're laid back or you hold notes or just all sorts of things can really influence the

1763
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,760
feel of a song.

1764
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,160
How about this?

1765
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:52,160
How about bands that didn't need two guitarists and bands that needed another one?

1766
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,160
Oh yeah.

1767
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,760
Yeah, that would work better.

1768
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:00,120
Not quite the same of what I was getting at but a little bit easier to explain I guess.

1769
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,400
Yeah, Bad Company was one like that.

1770
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,760
In the studio, Paul Rodgers would play some rhythm guitar.

1771
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,160
He's actually pretty good too.

1772
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,160
Yeah.

1773
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,160
He plays piano too.

1774
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,160
Yeah.

1775
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,320
But live it was all McRalphs.

1776
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,320
Just McRalphs.

1777
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:20,280
Yeah, and you know, I mean, I guess they were the type of band that live you wouldn't really

1778
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:21,280
care.

1779
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,600
You know, they had the bass back filling and the drums.

1780
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,700
You know, a concert's a concert.

1781
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:29,760
It's not going to sound exactly alike.

1782
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,120
And Paul Rodgers really good at what he does.

1783
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,260
He's not my favorite singer but really good at what he does.

1784
01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,840
So they necessarily wouldn't need another guitarist.

1785
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920
I always thought that ZZ Top needed another guitarist live.

1786
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:43,920
I did too.

1787
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,960
Because on all their albums when Billy Gibbons is playing the lead, you also hear Billy Gibbons

1788
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,720
doing the rhythm behind it.

1789
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:58,280
And at least Eddie Van Halen, he would stop playing rhythm long enough to do the lead

1790
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,280
then he'd go back to rhythm.

1791
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,280
He was good enough.

1792
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,280
He was good enough to work with him.

1793
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,280
Yeah, he could do that.

1794
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:03,880
He could play both parts himself.

1795
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,360
ZZ Top, I remember I saw them at Starlight.

1796
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,360
No, not Starlight.

1797
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,360
That was different.

1798
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,520
I don't remember what venue I saw ZZ Top.

1799
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:18,400
But when Billy Gibbons would go into the leads, it just sounded so thin.

1800
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,240
It just really did.

1801
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,240
Well a guitarist like Eddie Van Halen was actually so classic at it.

1802
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:29,040
But I would see him mute the rhythm strings and then he would have the same progression

1803
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,800
and make a completely different sound.

1804
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:31,800
But it was the lead.

1805
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,520
And it's just like how in the fuck did he do that?

1806
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,680
You spend pretty much every waking moment with a guitar in your hands.

1807
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:39,680
You just come up with stuff.

1808
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:40,680
Yeah.

1809
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:41,680
And then he would reverse it.

1810
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,720
He would do the rhythm and mute the...

1811
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,880
Plus I'm sure he talked to every other guitar player he came across and they swapped secrets.

1812
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,200
And then he would just play neck.

1813
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,600
He played chords, picking, everything on the neck.

1814
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,120
He didn't have to do that but he did.

1815
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,160
He was just like watch this shit.

1816
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,160
Steve Vai did that.

1817
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,320
He had kind of a heart shaped guitar and then neck coming out to the left and then neck

1818
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,480
coming out to the right.

1819
01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:10,040
So neither hand was picking but he was playing two guitar parts just by pressing the strings

1820
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:11,040
down with either hand.

1821
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,040
And if someone that...

1822
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,040
Yeah.

1823
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,320
If someone never knew guitar, if you have a guitar amplified pretty good, you can hit

1824
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,800
the string and you don't have to hit...

1825
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:19,800
You don't have to pick it.

1826
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:20,800
Yeah.

1827
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:21,800
It's a hammer on.

1828
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:22,800
Hammer on.

1829
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:23,800
Yeah.

1830
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,520
And Steve Vai was so good, both hands he would do a scale down at the same time on that guitar.

1831
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:27,520
Yeah.

1832
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:28,520
Just like wow.

1833
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:29,520
And he would sound good.

1834
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,520
Yeah.

1835
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,600
It's just like look, anyone could finger tap like I had an email, a guy that kept pestering

1836
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,600
me about music.

1837
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,360
And he said that finger tapping, anybody could do it is easy.

1838
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,240
I said yeah, anybody could do it.

1839
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,480
It is easy.

1840
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:44,480
Make it sound good.

1841
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,480
Yeah.

1842
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:49,440
Go onto YouTube and Google Corey Feldman guitar solo.

1843
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,040
He finger taps his ass off and it sounds like shit.

1844
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,040
Vinnie Vincent.

1845
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,040
A solo.

1846
01:23:55,040 --> 01:24:01,020
Not with Kiss, not Vincent Cusano or not when he did the albums with Kiss.

1847
01:24:01,020 --> 01:24:03,480
Because I'm pretty sure he did Creatures of the Night.

1848
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:11,280
If you listen to the solos and the rhythms on that, that's not Ace Freely.

1849
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,000
So anyhow, Vinnie Vincent, same thing on his solo album, especially Invasion, the first

1850
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,000
one.

1851
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,920
He does his stupidest shit on finger tapping.

1852
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,120
It's fast but it has nothing.

1853
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,120
Nothing.

1854
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,120
Yeah.

1855
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,360
It's like the nude scene they throw in a movie just to get the R rating.

1856
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:27,360
Yeah.

1857
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:32,080
It's like oh this song, we throw some finger tapping in so the radio will play it.

1858
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,080
Okay.

1859
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,080
Yeah.

1860
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,560
I mean something happened with Vinnie Vincent from being a very good songwriter.

1861
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,000
I mean look at Lick It Up and Creatures of the Night.

1862
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,560
Those two are such underrated albums.

1863
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,520
They were two of the best Kiss albums ever because they were hard.

1864
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,320
To me, I like the Harder Edge Kiss on those.

1865
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:53,960
Yeah, they did great with Shandy and Hard Luck Woman and all that stuff.

1866
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,120
They were great with Balance.

1867
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,120
Yeah.

1868
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:02,840
But those albums were unique because you could separate them and put them in a different

1869
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:07,440
category and they were more of a harder rock, not so much of a pop hard rock.

1870
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:11,320
It might have been the combination of Vinnie Vincent and the producer.

1871
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,320
Probably.

1872
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,320
Yeah.

1873
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,320
Probably.

1874
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:15,560
But he was such a terrific songwriter.

1875
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:16,560
Yeah.

1876
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,600
But then when he went on his own, I think he started going crazy a little bit.

1877
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Now he's just crackers and crayons fucking nuts.

1878
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,960
But he needed that producer to say no, no, that's stupid.

1879
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:26,960
Let's get back to this.

1880
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,840
Well that led to the end of him being in Kiss is because he was going out there playing

1881
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,600
for like 15 minutes solo and Paul Stanley's out there going, get the fuck back here.

1882
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,520
So he finally comes out there and he grabs him and I forgot, he's like in Georgia, Atlanta

1883
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,040
or something, grabs him and goes, all right, enough Vinnie.

1884
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,160
And Vinnie turns around and he goes, don't ever do that to me again.

1885
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:46,160
And Paul's like, uh-uh.

1886
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,560
And James like, uh-uh.

1887
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,560
You're fired, dude.

1888
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:50,560
You just don't know it yet.

1889
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,120
And Eric Carr was new.

1890
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,920
So Eric Carr was new.

1891
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,200
So he's like, yeah, yeah, get rid of him.

1892
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,200
Whatever you say, boss.

1893
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,200
Yeah, whatever you say.

1894
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,360
So I don't think Eric Carr was ever a member.

1895
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,840
No, he was a paid guy.

1896
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,840
He was a hired guy.

1897
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:05,840
So he had no vote.

1898
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:06,840
I loved him though.

1899
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,600
Man, he loved his, uh, he was a heavier guitarist.

1900
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,360
He wasn't a jazz drummer like Peter Chris.

1901
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,680
And that's another reason they were harder with Eric Carr is because the beat was different

1902
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:18,680
completely.

1903
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,600
It wasn't a jazz or anything like that.

1904
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,200
There was a period of time in rock where it seemed like jazz drummers were getting all

1905
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,800
the jobs with the harder rock.

1906
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,800
Oh, there was.

1907
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:28,800
Yeah, gosh.

1908
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:29,920
How many examples are there?

1909
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,960
You know, there's Peter Chris.

1910
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,760
Um, Steve Smith with Journey.

1911
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:35,760
Perfect.

1912
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,760
Total Jazz drummer.

1913
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:37,760
Yeah.

1914
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,560
Um, remember that band Candlebox?

1915
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:40,560
Yeah.

1916
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:41,560
Oh.

1917
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:42,560
Their drummer was a Total Jazz drummer.

1918
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,320
I can't think of his name, but man, you could hear it in everything that he did.

1919
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,280
Boy, there's some really good examples I can't think of right now.

1920
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:56,840
I think it was a push by the music industry to kind of tone down the slamming and the

1921
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:57,840
hard rock.

1922
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,560
It's like, okay, we've got these hard guitars.

1923
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,840
Well, let's just put in some drummers that aren't slammers and pounders, you know, kind

1924
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,280
of gentle it up a little bit.

1925
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,320
And that's one of the things Steve Smith said.

1926
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,920
He's like, I'm following Ainsley Dunbar and that guy hits and he rocks out.

1927
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,720
He said, I don't know if I can hit these drums hard enough, especially using the traditional

1928
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,080
jazz grip with the sticks.

1929
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,060
So I don't know if I can hit them hard enough to get that rock sound, but you know, amplifiers

1930
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:24,920
can do all sorts of amazing things.

1931
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:25,920
Yeah.

1932
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,920
I remember a good producer too.

1933
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,800
A good producer is like, don't worry about it.

1934
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,840
Steve Smith, excellent, excellent drummer, phenomenal jazz drummer.

1935
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:40,440
I saw him in a clinic at UMKC.

1936
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:44,920
But there was a video from the first tour they did with Steve Smith as the drummer.

1937
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,400
And when it came time for the drum solo, technically it was well done.

1938
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,100
But as far as a composition, it was crap.

1939
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,760
It was like, here's things that rock drummers do.

1940
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,160
So he did that for a little bit.

1941
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,240
Oh, here's another thing that rock drummers do.

1942
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,980
So he did that for a bit.

1943
01:28:00,980 --> 01:28:03,060
Nothing fit together, nothing flowed.

1944
01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:07,040
It was just this choppy mess of your standard rock drummer licks.

1945
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,720
It was like, wow, he got so much better at it on the next tour.

1946
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,240
But at that point it's like, I've never played rock and roll before.

1947
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,520
I've never played a rock drum solo before.

1948
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,600
What the hell am I doing here?

1949
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,120
But he's a fast learner.

1950
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,320
So I mean, he got very good quickly.

1951
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:28,440
But it really seemed to be a concentrated push to kind of reel back the music.

1952
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:32,240
Yeah, Carmine Eppice.

1953
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,160
I don't know if he was jazz, but he was different.

1954
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,560
What would you call his...

1955
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,880
The other place that a lot of those drummers came from was big band style.

1956
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,840
I think Carmine Eppice was kind of big band style, if I remember correctly, in what he's

1957
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:49,840
done.

1958
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:54,240
He was completely different than his brother, Vinny Eppice.

1959
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:59,200
Vinny Eppice is more of a hard rock metal type of a drummer.

1960
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:00,680
But Carmine Eppice...

1961
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,840
Yeah, that's weird too.

1962
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,480
Carmine Eppice and Vinny Eppice.

1963
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,000
Yeah, Eppice I think is the family pronunciation.

1964
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,920
Yeah, and then Eppice is what everyone calls him over here.

1965
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,760
It looks like a piece, but it's actually the correct is Eppice.

1966
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,280
It's an Italian name.

1967
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:17,280
He was Keith Richard.

1968
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,920
Oh yeah, that's right.

1969
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,520
They just added the S to his name.

1970
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,440
Finally, he changed his name.

1971
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:25,240
I'm never going to get anyone convinced that my name is Keith Richard.

1972
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,880
He just went in and added the S to his name.

1973
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,960
Just like the guitarist of Typho Negative.

1974
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,960
He is John Krabi.

1975
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:32,960
No.

1976
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:38,160
When I got reminded of that, I'm like, I can't believe I forgot that.

1977
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,840
That was one of those really classic moments.

1978
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,840
Hey, I got...

1979
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,200
I can't ever think of his damn name.

1980
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:51,160
Anyhow, I got so excited in John Krabi's name.

1981
01:29:51,160 --> 01:30:00,640
It's like the time that Nazareth kidnapped the representative from the Ludwig Drum Company

1982
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,240
that was out there checking on the artist, the A&R guy.

1983
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:04,720
Oh yeah.

1984
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,640
He was with them at one show.

1985
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,320
The singer took him out to the bus.

1986
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,600
He said, just hang out in the bus.

1987
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,600
We can talk.

1988
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,600
We can catch up and stuff.

1989
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:15,600
At some point, the bus started.

1990
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,960
He's like, oh, don't worry about it.

1991
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,760
It's just so they can run the ventilation, get things warmed up.

1992
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,440
Then the bus started moving.

1993
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:26,360
He's like, oh, it's all right.

1994
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,840
We're just repositioning because we're going to pick up the rest of the people and get

1995
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,840
stuff.

1996
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:36,720
Then after like 15, 20 minutes, the guy from Ludwig Drums realized, we're on the interstate.

1997
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:43,680
At that point, Nazareth Singer is like, oh yeah, we're kidnapping you.

1998
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:48,120
We're going to Detroit next.

1999
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,760
That's funny.

2000
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:57,840
Well, moving on to the world of guitar amplifiers, which I tend to pay attention to.

2001
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:07,400
We've recently had the sale of the Marshall Amplification Company to a Chinese firm.

2002
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,320
A year or so ago, we had Mesa Boogie that was purchased by Gibson.

2003
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:18,280
Now Gibson has fired the founder of Mesa Boogie, Randall Smith.

2004
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:25,200
Then a recent brand that has rocketed up, Blackstar, now is starting to really lose

2005
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:29,080
favor because people are looking at the overall circuit.

2006
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,360
Basically they get their tone by building a tube screamer into the circuit.

2007
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:38,840
It's like, it's an old tube amp, but it basically has a built-in tube screamer.

2008
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,800
People are starting to think, and there are a number of amps that claim to be all tube,

2009
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:48,760
but they've got solid state rectifiers and amplifiers.

2010
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,160
I never thought I'd ever see that.

2011
01:31:53,160 --> 01:32:00,960
There are still a lot of tube amps coming out, but the prices are going way up.

2012
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:07,720
Anything Mesa Boogie starts at over two grand, so you've got to be willing to spend there.

2013
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,280
During the time of COVID, there was a shortage of vacuum tubes.

2014
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:18,800
The majority of the vacuum tubes are made in Russia and China.

2015
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:26,520
Some American firms have started up again, but there is a vacuum tube shortage.

2016
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,440
At that time, the push for modeling amps got really big.

2017
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:34,760
It's like, okay, this amp really doesn't have a sound on its own, but you turn this knob

2018
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,600
and now it sounds like an orange rocker verb.

2019
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:44,400
You turn it again, now it sounds like a Marshall Silver Jubilee, just on and on like that.

2020
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:50,160
You get approximations of famous amps, and some of them can be really good.

2021
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:56,740
A lot of people are releasing a lot of content done with modeling amps, but solid state amplifiers

2022
01:32:56,740 --> 01:33:00,160
are really starting to make a comeback.

2023
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,740
They're way cheaper than tube amp technology.

2024
01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:05,320
They're way more reliable.

2025
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,460
They use less power.

2026
01:33:08,460 --> 01:33:11,280
The maintenance is very low on them.

2027
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:17,480
I've seen a lot of manufacturers starting to put out good quality solid state guitar

2028
01:33:17,480 --> 01:33:21,680
amps, whereas before the solid state amps were regulated to the beginner and student

2029
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:25,880
models and maybe some intermediate.

2030
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:34,840
Now we're seeing solid state working all the way up to the really high dollar ones.

2031
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,000
Part of a subset of that is the profiling amps.

2032
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,360
Have you ever heard of profiling amps?

2033
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:41,360
Yeah.

2034
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,800
I don't quite know, but go ahead.

2035
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,040
Yeah, somebody explained this to me the other day on a video.

2036
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,880
Kemper is one of the main companies of this.

2037
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,080
Basically what you do, instead of buying a modeling amp that the factory says, oh, here's

2038
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:59,140
how we think a Fender twin reverb sounds.

2039
01:33:59,140 --> 01:34:03,360
If you have a Fender twin reverb, you can set it up exactly how you like it and get

2040
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,400
it mic'd up and sounding exactly the way you love.

2041
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,160
The Kemper profiler will learn it.

2042
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:11,160
Wow.

2043
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,960
Then the profiler will reproduce that tone exactly.

2044
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:16,960
That is cool.

2045
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:17,960
That's cheating, but I love it.

2046
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:18,960
Isn't it?

2047
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:19,960
It is.

2048
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:21,780
You notice the piano guy?

2049
01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:22,780
Look at him.

2050
01:34:22,780 --> 01:34:24,280
He looks like Elton John even with the glasses.

2051
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,800
He doesn't play like him, but he looks like him.

2052
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,640
He looks like he might be a little taller because Elton was a short guy.

2053
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,680
Yeah, he is a little bit lankier.

2054
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,520
You can tell even sitting down.

2055
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,520
That's funny.

2056
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:36,520
Yeah, it is.

2057
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:37,520
Okay.

2058
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,360
Later we should yell, hey, Elton, and see if he turns around.

2059
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:40,360
Oh, I bet you.

2060
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:44,280
He'll either flip us off or laugh.

2061
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:45,280
If he understands us.

2062
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,280
No, that's true.

2063
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:47,280
That's true.

2064
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:53,960
But another thing about these profilers that's fun is, say you've got this one high dollar

2065
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,160
amp and your buddy has a different high dollar amp.

2066
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,800
You can take your profiler over there and get it to learn his amp too.

2067
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,520
And then you can switch between the two.

2068
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:03,520
Yes.

2069
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,840
And then you find all your other buddies with all these other amps you like.

2070
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,200
All right, that's cheating, but I love it.

2071
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,200
Isn't it?

2072
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,200
It is.

2073
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:12,560
And now you can trade those profiles.

2074
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,520
Hey, there's some people that call distortion pedals cheating.

2075
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,520
That's true.

2076
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,520
That's true.

2077
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,840
I mean, if you think about it, if you hit a couple of chords on distortion, it sounds

2078
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,320
like it should have been a song.

2079
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:23,320
Yeah.

2080
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:24,320
I mean, of a certain type.

2081
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,320
And it hides mistakes really well too.

2082
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:26,800
It hides mistakes so well.

2083
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,220
Led Zeppelin thought that a double kick setup was cheating.

2084
01:35:30,220 --> 01:35:34,160
Every time John Bonham put a double second kick drum there, they'd steal it and hide

2085
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,880
it and say, ah, it's just unnatural.

2086
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:36,880
Do it with one.

2087
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,840
That probably led to the sound though.

2088
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:39,840
Yeah.

2089
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,920
He learned to do things with just one that is really tough to do.

2090
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:43,920
You know what?

2091
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:44,920
It worked.

2092
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:45,920
Yeah, it did.

2093
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,920
Wow.

2094
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:47,920
I didn't know that.

2095
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:48,920
Yeah.

2096
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:49,920
So anyway, you've got this Kemper.

2097
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:50,920
What was the John Bonham story I heard the other day?

2098
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:51,920
Anyhow, go ahead.

2099
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:59,240
You've got this Kemper profiler and now you can swap and trade these profiles with people.

2100
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,960
And Kemper has come up with a new one called the player, where this one won't record and

2101
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:09,000
learn your amp, but it will play back the profiles of everyone else.

2102
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,000
So you can just buy the player, which is a lot cheaper than the profiler, hook it up

2103
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,320
and then just download profiles.

2104
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:22,300
It's like, oh, here's the exact tone of Mark Tremonti and his amp setup because he recorded

2105
01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:23,300
it and posted it on his website.

2106
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:28,560
And that's a great example because Tremonti has his own tone that's very good.

2107
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:34,200
There was a previous version of this that was done with hardware and there was an amp

2108
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:35,800
that had plug-in modules.

2109
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,160
Well, how many guitars you think are going to subscribe to this though?

2110
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:40,440
A lot of them already are.

2111
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:41,440
Oh, are they?

2112
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:42,440
A lot of them.

2113
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:43,440
Okay.

2114
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:47,320
Then probably someone that's like real prolific with their own sound like Zach Wilde probably

2115
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:48,720
would not.

2116
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:49,720
I wouldn't think.

2117
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,440
There are some that will jealously guard their tone, but there are others that's like, I'll

2118
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:54,760
just use my name and put out some tones I like.

2119
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,400
So these aren't necessarily my tones, but here's what I created.

2120
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:58,400
Yeah, you know what?

2121
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,880
If you had me on, we wouldn't exactly give out his tone, but he'd come up with other

2122
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:02,880
stuff.

2123
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,560
And so would Zach probably too.

2124
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,280
I don't think anybody wants their signature tone being anywhere and I can understand that.

2125
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,280
That's theirs and people recognize it.

2126
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,400
I don't know.

2127
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,640
It's like someone stealing your cologne and wearing it.

2128
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:16,640
Yeah.

2129
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:17,640
It's like, hey, wait a minute.

2130
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,560
I smell like that, not you.

2131
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,720
There was an amp.

2132
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:22,720
It's already still out.

2133
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,880
It came out a number of years back that had plug-in modules.

2134
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:32,960
So it came with one standard module and that's how the amp sounded.

2135
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:38,720
And then they got various guitar players to go into the studio and kind of do an early

2136
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,960
version of the profiling.

2137
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,040
And then they would sell that to you in the form of this module.

2138
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,360
It looked like a very short stubby vacuum tube, but it wasn't a vacuum tube.

2139
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:54,560
So you pull out the existing, then you plug in this one and now your amp sounds just like

2140
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:55,640
that.

2141
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,680
But in order to change, you've got to shut everything down, cool it down, pull the thing

2142
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,760
out, plug the next one in, power it back up again.

2143
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,520
So that's really inconvenient.

2144
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:09,520
So this profiling amp does it with software instead of a physical piece of equipment you've

2145
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,800
got to plug in.

2146
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:17,720
I'm trying to find a certain article that I got to and that's interesting though.

2147
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,680
I mean, that's going to go so many...

2148
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,200
Everyone's going to sound like everybody now if they get the right amp.

2149
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:29,440
I was looking on this story about how many times John Bonham told someone to fuck off.

2150
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:35,040
There's like a collage and like all of these stars, some of them before and some of them

2151
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,200
during, where like he'd get drunk, he'd tell everybody to fuck off.

2152
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,400
And they all have a fuck off story from John Bonham.

2153
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,040
And I can't find the article.

2154
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,200
I have to go home and down.

2155
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,120
I'll figure it out later.

2156
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:49,680
But there's like 30 prominent musicians go, oh yeah, he told me to fuck off.

2157
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:51,560
And he's, oh yeah, he told me to fuck off.

2158
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:53,600
And they all have their own story.

2159
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,520
I guess that was just a standard thing for him.

2160
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,320
That was a standard thing with him.

2161
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,640
And especially if you weren't big yet and he didn't know you.

2162
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:02,640
Oh yeah.

2163
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,360
Oh, he'd really tell you to fuck off even before you started to say anything.

2164
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,360
Fuck off.

2165
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,520
You could come over there and go, man, John, I really...

2166
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,120
Fuck off.

2167
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:15,520
It's a pretty common thing to have a hole in the front head of your kick drum, the resonant

2168
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,120
head.

2169
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:21,680
And that's generally where the sound, the audio engineer or the recording person would

2170
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,520
stick the microphone.

2171
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,160
Bonham never cut a hole in his.

2172
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,920
He used it as a full resonant head.

2173
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,720
And there was a story of him going into the studio.

2174
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,560
That's right, part of the sound is powerful sound.

2175
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,360
He went into the studio to record one of the albums and the sound engineer came up with

2176
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,960
the microphone and said, where's the hole?

2177
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,840
And he said, they're in one.

2178
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,320
Well, how am I supposed to mic this?

2179
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:45,560
We need to cut a hole in this.

2180
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:50,200
And Bonham said, no, these are my drums and they sound the way they sound.

2181
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,720
Your job is to mic them up and make them sound awesome.

2182
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,840
So you're not touching my drums.

2183
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,680
You're going to mic them up so they sound great.

2184
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:00,720
And he was very adamant.

2185
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,160
No one was putting any padding or muting or anything.

2186
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:08,600
And for the most part, they used room mics, not close up mics.

2187
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,760
But they wouldn't put microphones on each drum.

2188
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,480
They just scatter them around the room and blend them all together.

2189
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:19,160
That's part of his big sound is room reverb.

2190
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:20,960
And also another thing is the kick drum.

2191
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,760
I really like that, actually.

2192
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:30,440
It would just kind of like concentrate the sound so much more.

2193
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:34,440
And you know who got Bonham his endorsement deal with Ludwig?

2194
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:35,440
Vinnie Apiece.

2195
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:36,440
Vinnie, really?

2196
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:37,440
Yeah.

2197
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:38,440
Or was it Carmine?

2198
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:39,440
Carmine.

2199
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:40,440
Yeah, it was Carmine.

2200
01:40:40,440 --> 01:40:43,440
Vinnie Apiece is quite a bit younger.

2201
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,000
Yeah, it was Carmine.

2202
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:50,680
So yeah, Carmine was out and he had pretty much the biggest drums that Ludwig made, like

2203
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,440
26 inch kick drums and the double kick set and all these huge drums.

2204
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:56,960
And Bonham was touring with him.

2205
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,720
He's like, oh man, those are so awesome.

2206
01:40:58,720 --> 01:40:59,720
I love these.

2207
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:01,640
He's like, well, let me introduce you.

2208
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,200
And he got an endorsement deal just like that.

2209
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:10,680
And then he wanted just his basic four or five piece setup, but giant drums.

2210
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,480
His kick drums, probably 26 inch, are huge.

2211
01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:19,440
Because Carmine was in the same circles as him, being in different bands and a lot of

2212
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:21,000
metal bands.

2213
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,520
I mean, even Rod Stewart.

2214
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,920
I mean, yeah, so Carmine was the guy.

2215
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,120
Wasn't he in Uriah Heap?

2216
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,040
Yeah, yeah.

2217
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:32,480
He was also in a couple of other bands.

2218
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,040
Geez, I can't remember.

2219
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:35,040
He'd been in a lot of bands.

2220
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,320
A lot of, let's see, Vanilla Fudge, Cactus.

2221
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:38,320
Vanilla Fudge.

2222
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,320
Cactus is, yeah.

2223
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:44,040
Vanilla Fudge was mentioned in a Frank Zappa song.

2224
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,040
Really?

2225
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,120
He was mentioned in some band playing somewhere.

2226
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:50,200
He says, I don't know if it was really Vanilla Fudge or not, but anyway.

2227
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:54,360
And Frank Zappa was mentioned in a Deep Purple song.

2228
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:55,360
Frank Zappa and the Mamas.

2229
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:56,360
Yeah, oh, that's right.

2230
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,360
He had the best place around.

2231
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,160
Yeah, and then some-

2232
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:01,480
Stupid with a flare gun.

2233
01:42:01,480 --> 01:42:03,800
Some stupid with a flare gun burned the place to the ground.

2234
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:04,800
That's a true story.

2235
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:05,960
It was, yeah.

2236
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:12,040
They're all in Montreux and they're watching Frank Zappa.

2237
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:16,360
If you've got the original album, they have pictures of the fire in the album.

2238
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:23,040
Yeah, and it's smoke coming over the lake and they said, smoke on the water.

2239
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:27,560
It's a story about some fucker burning the place down with a flare gun.

2240
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:32,280
And they should go kiss that guy because he made their career take off.

2241
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:33,880
Yes, he did.

2242
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:38,960
Because not only was that the king of riffs, but it was also the king of lyrics too.

2243
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,640
Yeah, I mean everybody wanted to learn the song, play along.

2244
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,280
When you went out to hear a local band play, you wanted them to play that song.

2245
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,880
But 99% of people play it wrong.

2246
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,240
Yeah, yeah.

2247
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:56,000
Watch, Richie Blackmore demonstrates it on a couple of videos that he did.

2248
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:00,040
And he said, most people play it wrong, so I'm going to show you how it's supposed to

2249
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:01,040
be played.

2250
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,440
Yeah, everyone plays 035, but that's not what it is.

2251
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:04,440
That is not it.

2252
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:08,240
And they go up and down the scale.

2253
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:09,240
He does not.

2254
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,960
He does it with strings.

2255
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:12,960
Very good.

2256
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,960
Yeah, that's something I'm picking out of a lot of songs that I'm trying to learn is

2257
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,360
the rhythm guy isn't playing chords all the time.

2258
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,760
He'll play a chord and then he'll pick a few strings and then hit another chord for emphasis.

2259
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,400
Where I was just like churning through with chords all the way through.

2260
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,200
I was like, oh, that's why his sounds so much better.

2261
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:32,920
There are certain guitarists that do that and the ones that do that do it very well.

2262
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:37,560
I mean, Zach Wild is one, you know, but the thing is, is they also know how to play the

2263
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,040
chord too and play the strings.

2264
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:41,040
There's no problem.

2265
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,320
They're not hiding anything by doing a scale because there's a lot of guitarists I feel

2266
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,620
are hiding something doing a scale.

2267
01:43:47,620 --> 01:43:48,620
You know what I mean?

2268
01:43:48,620 --> 01:43:51,180
They're hiding the preciseness, their clarity.

2269
01:43:51,180 --> 01:43:52,840
It's like the fallback positions.

2270
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,080
Like I've done this million times, I don't know how I can do it.

2271
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:56,080
Yeah.

2272
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,600
And then it got to know as noodling and then it was just like a joke.

2273
01:43:58,600 --> 01:43:59,600
Yeah.

2274
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,800
I mean, Ozzy even talked about it.

2275
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,080
It was noodling.

2276
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,080
Yeah.

2277
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,640
And he also did an interview not too long ago where he said the best guitarist he ever

2278
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,160
played with was Tony Iommi.

2279
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,480
And you would think, really?

2280
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:15,160
Randy Rhodes, Jake Lee, Zach Wild.

2281
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,840
Now, he said that American guitarists play too fast.

2282
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,480
Yeah, I can see that.

2283
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:23,960
And he also bitched about noodling, not on this interview, but another one.

2284
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,320
He said every guitarist that always comes in, noodles.

2285
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:28,320
Yeah.

2286
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,520
I don't want to hear noodling.

2287
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,200
I want to hear songwriting.

2288
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:34,040
Yeah, something intentional with purpose.

2289
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,040
Yeah.

2290
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,320
And that's one reason Jake Lee got the gig is he didn't come in here.

2291
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,800
He didn't come in there going, doodly-doodly-doodly-doodly-do.

2292
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,680
George Lynch was supposed to get that gig, but he had short hair.

2293
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,960
And Sharon said, nobody in the band.

2294
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:51,200
Yeah, no short hairs and I guess no gay guys.

2295
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:52,200
Yeah.

2296
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:53,200
So.

2297
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:59,280
Yeah, when I joined a local band called Weatherhead and everybody in the band except, well, the

2298
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,920
singer, the singer had long hair and everybody else had short hair.

2299
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:06,320
And he said they were actually losing gigs because they give them a band photo and the

2300
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,640
guy's like, nah, you guys are all a bunch of short hairs.

2301
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:09,640
Yeah.

2302
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:11,120
So I joined the band and had much longer hair.

2303
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,320
And he's like, great, we'll get more jobs now.

2304
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,280
That's awesome.

2305
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,280
Yeah.

2306
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:17,280
Yeah.

2307
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:18,680
But no Ozzy said, everyone come in noodling.

2308
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:25,200
And he said, you know, certain guys came in and played chords that sounded, you know,

2309
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,280
pretty close to what the noodlers were doing.

2310
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,440
It's like, those were the ones that went to the second audition.

2311
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:31,440
Yeah.

2312
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:32,440
You know?

2313
01:45:32,440 --> 01:45:33,440
Yeah.

2314
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:38,160
When I'm playing the drums, I can be very precise and I'm very purposeful with every

2315
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,220
note I play.

2316
01:45:40,220 --> 01:45:44,720
When I pick up guitar, I'm real sloppy and I hit more strings than I'm intending to.

2317
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:48,440
And if I try to do solo, it just, it sounds like it has no purpose.

2318
01:45:48,440 --> 01:45:49,480
Most guitarists do that.

2319
01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:50,720
I do that too.

2320
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:51,720
Yeah.

2321
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:56,400
I'm trying to work on just hitting the strings I'm intending to hit, but I get excited and

2322
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,400
start.

2323
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:58,400
No, me too.

2324
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,120
That's a problem with, that's a problem with guitars.

2325
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,120
Yeah.

2326
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:04,000
They sound so good that you don't care.

2327
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,000
Yeah.

2328
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,240
You're like, Hey, these two chords sound really good together and it's sloppy and you may

2329
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:11,920
be even hitting the wrong strings.

2330
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:13,480
But it's like, that's pretty cool.

2331
01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:14,480
Yeah.

2332
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,880
You're not like, okay, I'm going to sit down and learn this song.

2333
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:21,000
I'm not going to, I'm going to learn this, learn this acoustical piece.

2334
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,880
There's no fun in that unless you're really, really into musicianship and guitar.

2335
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,160
Other than that, you're into that.

2336
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:32,560
There's a lot to be said for learning how to do that and make it sound good.

2337
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:33,560
Yeah.

2338
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:34,560
That is part of it.

2339
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,480
What really helps me is I've started recording when I just, you know, I'm just bashing around

2340
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:41,600
playing whatever improvising and then I'll listen back to it.

2341
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,800
And it was like, Oh my God, my timing's off there.

2342
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,640
And then, Oh, I hesitated there.

2343
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,600
There's the wrong, Oh, look at all those strings I'm hitting extra there.

2344
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,440
I really started learning all my mistakes.

2345
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:52,440
Yeah.

2346
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:53,440
At the time it sounded awesome.

2347
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,160
And I thought I was really rocking out, but I listened back.

2348
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:57,640
It's like, Holy cow.

2349
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,680
I'm glad no one else heard this.

2350
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:00,680
Yeah.

2351
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,880
You know, I think Ozzy is talking about something like GATT2.

2352
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,600
A lot of people, they turn up the distortion and play real fast and assume that that's

2353
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,560
great and people are going to love it.

2354
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,040
But actually it's kind of viewed as you're hiding.

2355
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:13,040
Yeah.

2356
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,040
Yeah.

2357
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:15,040
Yeah.

2358
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,480
You know, you can have a beauty contest and everybody in there has had plastic surgery

2359
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:19,840
and their body sculpted and everything.

2360
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,680
It's like, y'all look the same.

2361
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,960
I mean, it's nice, but y'all look carbon copy.

2362
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,120
It's like, where's the person who's different?

2363
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,120
Yeah.

2364
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:32,600
And another thing is all the guys that can do that, like Jeff Beck was a really good

2365
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:33,600
one.

2366
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,680
He can play all different styles.

2367
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:37,940
There's so many of them.

2368
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:41,320
So anyhow, they could play the noodling.

2369
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:45,340
They can do all of that, the scales, they can do it all in very fast, but they rarely

2370
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:46,340
do that.

2371
01:47:46,340 --> 01:47:47,340
They don't need to.

2372
01:47:47,340 --> 01:47:48,340
Yeah.

2373
01:47:48,340 --> 01:47:50,760
It is really important the choices you make of what to play and what to leave out.

2374
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,800
A lot of times it's what you leave out and not what you put in.

2375
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:59,280
And the thing is, is you got to know when to stop a song and not add to it.

2376
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:04,000
It's like, okay, we could put this in, but no, we don't need it.

2377
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,120
The song is perfect the way it is.

2378
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:07,120
Yeah.

2379
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:11,240
You get those overproduced songs and Phyllis Fector was one of those with, it was just

2380
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:12,800
a wall of sound coming at you.

2381
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,760
He puts so much into the mix.

2382
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,280
It confuses you because it's too many.

2383
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,680
I think that a lot of sophomore albums, that's a problem with them.

2384
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:22,680
Yeah.

2385
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,800
Or the first album where the band gets to co-produce or produce on their own.

2386
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:26,800
Yes.

2387
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,240
They just start micromanaging everything.

2388
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:30,240
Yeah.

2389
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:31,240
Yeah.

2390
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:32,240
Yep.

2391
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,240
And then usually they ruin the sound and that's the sophomore jinx.

2392
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:39,600
Or a lot of times even more prevalent is the third album jinx.

2393
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,440
The third album is the album that they all learn their musicianship much better and they're

2394
01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:49,560
going to clarify their sound.

2395
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,560
They're going to make it quality, but instead they fuck up their rawness.

2396
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:58,280
And that's why a lot of bands break up after that third album is because they can't recover

2397
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:01,160
and get back to where they were for the fourth album.

2398
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:04,680
They're like, I want to do it this way.

2399
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,200
No, I want to do it that way.

2400
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,360
And they all split apart, musical differences.

2401
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:10,360
Yeah.

2402
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:11,360
Yeah.

2403
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,280
So yeah, but I mean, oh, but that is a problem with guitar.

2404
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:16,760
It sounds too fucking cool.

2405
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:17,760
Yeah.

2406
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:18,760
Yeah.

2407
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,480
You got to learn to play wild with just a pure clean tone.

2408
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:24,240
No distortion, no overdrive, no effects, no nothing.

2409
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:25,840
Drumming isn't like it.

2410
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,760
Drumming either sound good or you don't.

2411
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,000
With drumming you just play really loud and then you can make some mistakes.

2412
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,000
Yeah, no loud getting through.

2413
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,240
But you got to have a certain rhythm.

2414
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:36,440
Otherwise people are like, what's he doing?

2415
01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:37,440
Yeah.

2416
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:39,920
Everyone would look at each other going, I don't know what this is.

2417
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:40,920
I don't get it.

2418
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:41,920
Yeah.

2419
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:42,920
Yeah.

2420
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:48,160
There's a very big difference between a precise drum roll and a sloppy buzz roll.

2421
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:49,160
Yeah.

2422
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:54,080
They both sound similar if you're not really paying attention, but the very precise roll

2423
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,760
just really makes the song sing.

2424
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:58,560
It's so crisp, it gets your attention.

2425
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,440
You're like, hey.

2426
01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:05,040
Another one is just kind of like, okay, yeah, just another one.

2427
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,680
Let's say Lars Jurek.

2428
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:08,960
Okay.

2429
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,120
Kind of sloppy but fast, right?

2430
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:16,480
Now put him against, let's see.

2431
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:19,320
The precision of someone like Simon Phillips.

2432
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,440
Yeah, yes.

2433
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:24,800
Who else was insanely precise?

2434
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,080
Danny Carey, Tool.

2435
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:28,080
Perfect one.

2436
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,080
He's incredibly precise.

2437
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:30,080
Yeah.

2438
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,080
Neil Peart.

2439
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:36,080
Neil Peart is a good example.

2440
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,800
Yeah.

2441
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,280
Phil Collins wasn't so precise.

2442
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:40,480
He was more of a feeling kind of drummer.

2443
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:41,600
No, he was a feeling guy.

2444
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,320
He was actually a little bit sloppy.

2445
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:44,320
Yeah.

2446
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:45,320
It sounded good.

2447
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:46,320
It suited what he did.

2448
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,080
He could write a hit too.

2449
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:52,000
I remember they thought Peter Gabriel was going to be the big shit.

2450
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,560
He did okay.

2451
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,400
Phil Collins fucking busted.

2452
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,760
He busted every top 40 station down.

2453
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,800
Here's another one.

2454
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,200
Rick Allen from Def Leppard.

2455
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:07,800
Before he lost his arm, he had a totally different style.

2456
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:12,400
It was more kind of Keith Moonish.

2457
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:17,040
He played with a traditional grip, which is more used for jazz and big band.

2458
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:18,760
He had kind of a sloppiness to him.

2459
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,680
When he lost his arm, he got insanely precise.

2460
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:22,680
Yes.

2461
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,840
I mean, he was like a human metronome at that point.

2462
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:29,400
Have you ever seen how they have him drumming?

2463
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:30,400
Yeah.

2464
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:31,400
Isn't that interesting?

2465
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:36,480
Every drum, everything he can hit with his right arm, he can hit with either foot too.

2466
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,480
Yeah.

2467
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:41,240
Absolutely everything is available to his three remaining limbs.

2468
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:44,800
Like you said, learning and relearning that had to be hell.

2469
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:45,800
Yeah.

2470
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:50,600
I mean, you know the basics of drums and how they should sound, but you have to completely

2471
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,480
relearn the movements and forget the ones you learned before.

2472
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:56,040
That'd be tough as hell.

2473
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,920
I remember thinking, jeez, what a tough break.

2474
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,560
They just hit it big and he loses his arm and he's a drummer.

2475
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:03,560
Yeah.

2476
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:09,320
I mean, that was part of how come they, what album was it they took a long time.

2477
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:10,880
They had a bunch of shit happen.

2478
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:11,880
Hysteria.

2479
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:12,880
Yeah.

2480
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:17,400
They said they recorded enough stuff to make the whole album, but then realized it just

2481
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:19,600
wasn't working, so they scrapped it all and rewrote.

2482
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,600
Yeah, they played it to people and people hated it.

2483
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:26,720
Then in between, I'm not sure if Steve Clark died during it, didn't he?

2484
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:28,060
I think it was just after.

2485
01:52:28,060 --> 01:52:29,060
Right after, okay.

2486
01:52:29,060 --> 01:52:31,760
Oh yeah, they released it or something.

2487
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:32,760
Yeah.

2488
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:36,280
But Rick Allen had his wreck after Pyromania.

2489
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:40,600
So yeah, Hysteria followed Pyromania.

2490
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:41,600
Yeah.

2491
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:42,600
Yeah.

2492
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:48,160
Pyromania is most people consider to be the pinnacle of Def Leppard's recording career.

2493
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:53,280
Yeah, because they changed their sound so much on Hysteria and Wet Poppy, pour some

2494
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,000
sugar on me.

2495
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:01,920
When you're looking at Pyromania or Rock of Ages, I prefer Pyromania more too, but Hysteria

2496
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,000
launched them into top 40.

2497
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,000
Yeah.

2498
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:06,000
Yeah.

2499
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,520
It's kind of a mixed blessing.

2500
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,640
It's like when Foreigner released I Want to Know What Love Is.

2501
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:11,640
Yeah.

2502
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:15,080
Made them enormous and huge, but destroyed them as the band they were.

2503
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,440
I mean, they were a rocking out guitar band.

2504
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:18,440
Sticks.

2505
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:20,440
They never got another job that way again.

2506
01:53:20,440 --> 01:53:21,440
Sticks?

2507
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:22,440
Yeah.

2508
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:23,440
Mr. Roboto.

2509
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:24,440
Oh my God.

2510
01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:27,680
Yeah, that was their number one selling album and it ruined them.

2511
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:28,680
It did.

2512
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:33,080
The rock people said, no, no, no, and they left.

2513
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:34,080
Yeah.

2514
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,840
And apparently the live act was just horrid.

2515
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:36,840
Yeah.

2516
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,440
I mean, who was the...

2517
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:40,880
One of the guitar player was Tommy Shaw.

2518
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:41,880
The other was what?

2519
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:42,880
Wayne Young?

2520
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:43,880
Wayne Young, I believe.

2521
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:44,880
Yeah.

2522
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:45,880
Yeah.

2523
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:53,880
He was saying, when we take the stage, it's 18 minutes before someone actually plays

2524
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:55,520
a note.

2525
01:53:55,520 --> 01:54:01,400
The first 18 minutes are dialogue and choreography and playing out some storyline.

2526
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,160
18 fricking minutes.

2527
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:04,160
No.

2528
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:05,160
Yeah.

2529
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:09,120
And he was saying, night after night, we're getting booed because we're taking too long

2530
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,680
to actually play a freaking song.

2531
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:15,480
And then they play a song and then they stop again for some more acting out and the audience

2532
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:16,480
is just booing and booing and booing.

2533
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:18,160
That was probably Denisty Young.

2534
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:19,160
Yeah.

2535
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,360
Well, I mean, okay, what made them destroyed them too.

2536
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:27,560
Denisty Young and Tommy Shaw, you got the rocker and the operatic guy, kind of like Queen, kind

2537
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,480
of like so many different bands.

2538
01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:34,840
Those two together fighting it out and coming up with the compromise makes great music,

2539
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:36,720
but it also destroys bands too.

2540
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,520
Queen almost split up so many times.

2541
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:39,520
Yeah.

2542
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:40,520
They were always fighting over sound.

2543
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:45,640
Him and Brian May, as in Freddie Mercury and Brian May, loved each other, but hated each

2544
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,060
other on the same spoon.

2545
01:54:47,060 --> 01:54:48,060
It was crazy.

2546
01:54:48,060 --> 01:54:52,320
They had a little bit of that in REO Speedwagon between Gary Richrath and Kevin Krumm.

2547
01:54:52,320 --> 01:55:00,960
There was an interview with Kevin saying, it was for Keep On Loving You, was the ballad

2548
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,320
that came out.

2549
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:06,400
And he said, there's always some push and pull because Gary's hearing all these power

2550
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:13,160
chords and screaming guitar solos and Kevin's hearing all these nice ballad-y chords on

2551
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:15,960
the piano, but they made it work.

2552
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,000
Gary Richrath was an awesome songwriter.

2553
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,760
He was a better songwriter than he was a lead guitar player.

2554
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,120
He was mediocre at lead, I thought.

2555
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:26,320
A lot of one-note guitar solos.

2556
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:27,320
Yeah.

2557
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:28,320
You know what?

2558
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,320
You're right.

2559
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,440
He'd pick a note and he'd hang on it forever.

2560
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,600
But they made it work and eventually Richrath left the band.

2561
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,680
But REO Speedwagon kept going until just last year.

2562
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,800
How about Kim Thal, the sound garden?

2563
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:51,640
There's several songs where he plays one note and that thing is the whole song.

2564
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:54,880
He played one not too long ago, Room, a Thousand Years Wide.

2565
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,440
He does play riffs on that.

2566
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,320
He does play lead on that on some of them.

2567
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,120
I mean, some of them was Chris Cornell, too.

2568
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:04,200
He didn't always play guitar, but on certain songs he did.

2569
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:09,560
But Kim Thal wasn't worried about putting some notes together and making it.

2570
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:14,400
He made the feeling with just guitar sounds.

2571
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,440
And that's one of the beauties of his.

2572
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:21,280
He was so underrated as a guitarist because he was not a virtuoso.

2573
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:22,880
He was not a guy that shredded.

2574
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,760
Yeah, he was very well known among guitar players.

2575
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,560
Guitar players loved him because he was a musician's musician.

2576
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,440
He was like, that's not going in there because it doesn't fit.

2577
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:32,440
Yeah.

2578
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:33,440
Yeah.

2579
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:37,560
And some of his stuff wasn't all that accessible unless you know music pretty well.

2580
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:44,400
No, and also, I mean, they had a good following before they hit it anyhow.

2581
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,960
I mean, a lot of the West Coast knew of them.

2582
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,360
Louder Than Love did good over there, but when it was released nationally, it didn't

2583
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,960
do anything because their sound was quite a bit different.

2584
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:59,280
But people are like, no, we want this stuff right here.

2585
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:03,960
And that's where Kim Thal did what he really liked to do in the heavier stuff.

2586
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:06,960
So yeah, it's interesting.

2587
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,760
He played a guild guitar, which most people don't.

2588
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,000
There's not a lot of people playing guild.

2589
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,000
They're not sexy.

2590
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:14,760
They never have really been, you know.

2591
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,920
But he's got one that looks pretty close to a Gibson SG.

2592
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:23,960
Well, I saw the second to Cornell's last concert in Soundgarden before he killed himself.

2593
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,600
And he was playing that on stage.

2594
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:28,600
It sounded great.

2595
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:29,600
Yeah.

2596
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,760
But I was also amazed at Cornell.

2597
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:32,840
He sounded great, too.

2598
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:34,120
He played a lot of it, too.

2599
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:38,320
He kind of reminded me of Paul Stanley, only not, you know, his flamboyant and jumping

2600
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:39,680
around and stuff.

2601
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:46,440
But he was a lead singer frontman that could play a lot of guitar.

2602
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:47,440
And it didn't bother him.

2603
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:53,040
A lot of frontmen that play guitar are like Vince Neil, where they can play like one chord

2604
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,820
at the beginning of a song.

2605
01:57:55,820 --> 01:57:57,320
Like S.O.S., I think it is.

2606
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,160
And he does that and then they give the guitar back.

2607
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,520
No, Cornell is a player.

2608
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:03,920
Yeah, yeah.

2609
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,440
It's more important to be the singer.

2610
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:06,440
Yeah.

2611
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:12,280
The only guy that could do it, but he doesn't, is Ronnie James or didn't Ronnie James Dio.

2612
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:14,400
He was a guitarist and a bassist.

2613
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:20,280
As a matter of fact, Black Sabbath has a song out, a new old song, Jeff Richards.

2614
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:21,800
No, Nichols.

2615
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:26,640
Jeff Nichols, their keyboardist for a long time, but he wasn't that well known before

2616
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:28,440
he was backstage.

2617
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,760
And then he came center stage after Dio left.

2618
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:36,040
And he was not center stage, but he came up on stage and was actually mentioned as a part

2619
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:37,960
of the band, Jeff Nichols.

2620
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:43,920
And his son released it because Jeff Nichols died a few years back and is called Slapback.

2621
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,080
And it's a song unreleased with Dio.

2622
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,720
And Dio is playing the bass on it.

2623
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:48,720
Oh, wow.

2624
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:50,080
Yeah, if you get a chance, do it.

2625
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,600
Awesome that, yeah.

2626
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:56,040
The only other one I can think of is Mark Torian, singer for the Bullet Boys.

2627
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:57,040
Yeah.

2628
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:58,040
Was a guitar player for Rat.

2629
01:58:58,040 --> 01:58:59,040
Yeah.

2630
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:00,800
And then they fired him and so he became a lead singer.

2631
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:01,800
Yeah, and he was great.

2632
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:02,800
He was good at the lead singer.

2633
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:03,800
Amazing range.

2634
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:04,800
Yeah.

2635
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,160
And also pretty good frontman.

2636
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:10,880
I always wanted Van Halen to replace Saverly Roth with him because I was like thinking...

2637
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,080
Oh, that would have been cool.

2638
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:13,840
Yeah, I wasn't thinking Sammy Hagar.

2639
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:15,360
I wasn't thinking Chrissy Hines.

2640
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:16,360
I was thinking...

2641
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:17,360
Mark Torian.

2642
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:18,360
Mark Torian.

2643
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:19,960
Because that guy, he kind of looked like him.

2644
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:20,960
He had the range.

2645
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,680
He had the high range.

2646
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:24,080
He could sing better than Roth.

2647
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:25,640
And he had the flamboyancy.

2648
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:26,640
Yeah.

2649
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:29,080
High kicks, jumping around on stage and all that.

2650
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:30,560
I think it would have worked well.

2651
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:31,560
Wow.

2652
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:32,560
Yeah.

2653
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:33,560
What could have been?

2654
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:34,560
Yep.

2655
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:35,560
I think we're going to end this bitch.

2656
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:36,560
So anyhow, thanks for listening.

2657
01:59:36,560 --> 02:00:04,560
Go fuck yourself.