Hi there, this is your ears
Why are you listening to this garbage? I?
Thought we were friends
We are the music creeps. We are yes
Yes, we are the music creeps. We are are the music creeps
All right. Hey, what's up?
That is the best intro like that one yes ever
And in my semi injured reserve status that was
Best week because I wasn't able to contribute much
The the beatbox will be back next week. We're sure so yeah, but until then enjoy my solo project
the the the beatless music creeps
Anyhow, how you doing today to for everything good?
Yeah, just trying to rest up and get my voice back. That's cool
It's getting there that's cool
I had a surprising day off, but it was good though. I had to end up working my day off yesterday and and then
today I
Got today off for yesterday going in but it was good because I had to have a new
clothes dryer put in and it's a glass a
Gas dryer if I could speak correctly
And yeah, those are a little bit more complicated so anyhow
Got that done today. Everything's good now. It fits it fit in good, and it's working properly, so that's good
So dry clothes this time of year are pretty good. They come in handy
Okay
anyhow, do you have anything you wanted to start in on or
Something I was just thinking about yesterday I was
Returning my drums uh-huh, and I got to thinking about
the whole debate over tone woods
And a lot of guitar players and guitar companies uh-huh and different opinions about whether the wood in your guitar
really makes any difference on the sound and
whether it's
Whether it's just a myth or a marketing ploy or whether it really makes a difference
I always but it could be me because of the power suggestion always thought it did yeah
Yeah, yeah, I I think
I seem to
be able to tell a difference sometimes but
It isn't as pronounced as one would think but there is there is a little bit of a difference to me
And I guess you'd think so too, so I feel better about it now
But what are they saying?
Well like Paul Reed Smith guitars
Mm-hmm are very adamant that the woods makes all the difference in the world so they are very careful about their woods
Hmm, but Leo Fender who had three different guitar making companies
Uh-huh yet Fender he had music man, and he had G&L. Oh, yeah, G&L. Yeah, okay
And all very high quality professional grade instruments. Yeah, but Leo Fender's
Philosophy was buy whatever wood is cheap
Hmm
And you could really argue with him either. I mean yeah
I mean, that's why you have some
innovative guitars made out of alder and some made out of ash and some made of swamp ash and just you know
It was whatever was cheapest at the time
Pretty okay
Um okay, so you and I do think that there is a difference, but not very much, so you think that maybe
Maybe Fender thinks that there is a difference, but not enough to buy a higher grade wood
right, you know I kind of look at it like
if you're building a
Car to do the quarter mile in the fastest time uh-huh
Then the suspension matters
But not a whole lot not as much as like the engine and the tires and the fuel and all that kind of stuff
So the wood the guitar is made of is like as important as
like the suspension, you know you got to have it, but
It's not something you need to spend a whole lot of time on
Okay, yeah, you know what that's kind of what I think too
Fender may have not described it like that, but I think that was his thought processes
Yeah, it makes a difference, but not enough to
Spend all that money and resources trying to get you know that much wood
Yeah, and maybe the other part is for oh I forgot the first the first makers name
Yeah, I think that maybe they are accentuating it a little bit
because of sales
True yeah, I think anything that people are this passionate about
There's a lot of marketing that's going on
Yeah, yeah
And the people that believe there's that much of a difference will go out and buy a Smith and then the other ones are gonna
Be like yeah, you know what a fender or whatever because they're not that worried about what the wood is so okay
That's cool, but it's an interesting
side note to this is
This really only applies to electric guitars
Because I've gone in and tried out different acoustic guitars
Yes, and the wood they're made of makes all the difference
That is yes, I would agree the wood the wood because of the sound the hollow sound in there is
Makes all the difference in the whole world which which is interesting
I mean even more than than the frets or the stock or the string yeah
Yeah, I would agree pretty much everybody will use a sitka spruce top
For the tar because that gives you a nice bright
Clear projecting tone, but I've also played guitars with a mahogany top and they sound really good
But they are darker and warmer
Okay, that makes sense
Yeah, okay
and also
You know everything else I
I'm a firm believer that everybody even the worst guitarist has their own tone
Definitely I is you can't help it. It's just from getting the instrument putting it in your hands and playing it
Nobody puts the same amount of pressure your fingers exactly where they're at than you and it is a and it is a pattern that you
That happens that you can't really get away from because it's the way that you play. It's your style
and
And there is I know I'm always trying to play in such a way that it sounds like what I hear in my head
and
Until the sound in my head changes, but I'm always going to be playing the same way because I'm trying to get that sound
You know that's so true. I never even thought about that
Yeah, yeah, I've got this sound in my head. It's like I'm almost there
I'm almost there. I can almost play like that. So I'm constantly striving for it
So that that keeps me sounding kind of the same. I
Never even thought about that. Okay, cool
I've got a little article here that I want to go into
And you know, we've been talking about Jakey Lee lately he's been in the news
You know not only talking about you know him and his difficulties with Sharon Osborne and that whole camp and also his
Shooting you know, he was shot what four times. He's okay. Thank God
But you know, there's always been rumors about different things about him and all that and who knows if they're true or not
But he was shot in Las Vegas four in the morning
Walking his dog or no two in the morning walking his dog
so
anyhow, he did a good job
He did a couple of interviews here recently
I think it was before right before the shooting because he came out a few years ago with Red Dragon cartel
Remember and yeah, and then he was touring and I was bound to determine I was gonna go see him
but then COVID happened and
I wasn't seeing anybody so
Yeah, so inconvenient wasn't it? Oh, yes
It was I had two concerts like trying to remember what they were that I couldn't wait to go to
Then COVID happened and I'm like, oh fuck if they were gone
Oh, you see he was one of a lot of whole world to her plan. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they got shut to shit
Yeah, they were gone and that was was that still with Axel or was that with Brian Johnson? I
Think that was gonna be with Brian Johnson
I thought so too because Axel just filled in until Brian Johnson got his hearing thing figured out and then they're like, alright
Well Axel, thank you. But I was one of the guys that wanted to see Axel
Actually play a full tour with them because did you ever hear him on the Bon Scott stuff?
No, I mean to
My dad never never caught one of those videos. He captures Bon Scots
essence like nothing I mean
It a whole lot of Rosie in particular when he did that song. I was like, what the hell, you know
And it turns out like he was the hugest AC DC fan and he was kind of like me
I like Bon Scott better even though their biggest
Largest hits. I mean they're huge hits came with Brian Johnson after Bon Scott passed away
But I would like to add that Bon Scott did write a lot on back in black
Which was a huge album when the best-selling albums ever
So, you know Bon Scott saying with more passion
Yeah, Brian Johnson was was more kind of
You know what? Here's what you get
Yes. Yes
And actually the guy I wanted to see they tried to get and I didn't know about this and he turned him down and that was
Mark Starachi of
Crocus
Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah that are you familiar with crocus, right?
Yeah, that guy's voice definitely would have fit in. Yeah, I wanted to hear him do it because I could hear him do it right off
I mean, I was just like that. Yeah
Of course right now in my head. I'm hearing him seem screaming in the night
Which which definitely could be an AC DC song actually
I mean you change it up with the chords just a little bit and that could have been one easily
But no Mark Starachi. He just turned him down
He wanted to stay in crocus god bless his little heart. He should have joined AC DC
so
Anyhow, well, I don't know, you know, he was probably happy whatever doing what he wanted to do. So
Okay back to Jakey Lee
Jakey Lee did this interview and he's talking about the new guitarist and you and I have talked about this considerably and me and Davey
Have definitely talked about a lot. We don't like the new guitarist because there's no feeling it's all mechanical
Yeah, and I mean they're fantastic. They're so talented, but there's no emotion in it at all
It is just all a set formula of notes put together
You know, maybe some chords, but it is all the same and you could take 10 of them
And all of them play the same thing and you really couldn't tell the difference where that's not true with the um,
with the older guitarists
That's not true with the um with the old style of playing. I mean, especially the 1970s players, you know
And two people that were similar in a way
Like you could take Richie Blackmore and Tony Iommi and they could both play something and you'd know
Hey, this is Blackmore. This is Iommi, you know, and
All the way to Clapton and and you know, Jimmy Page and all of this you can tell who did it nowadays
You can't really tell you can have all of them play. Um, I don't know uh master of puppets
Okay, and yeah, you really couldn't copy everyone else's gear
That's another thing that's going on getting the same equipment they're using and
Yeah, and that's that's another problem going on is there's no originality
I mean, you know like Jeff Beck he didn't copy he was a fantastic guitarist and he didn't copy anybody
And the reason he didn't copy anybody is because he really didn't use anything that much
you know, um, yeah, he firmly believed that you were
The instrument as much as the instrument and I think he was correct
Uh, especially on him, especially on him. I mean, uh the stuff then the noises that he generated and the passion and the um
Everything that he you know, uh the uh emotion that he generated with just him and his guitar and an amp
And an amp was incredible
Tony ohmi claims that all he uses is a loud marshal. So
Okay, so anyhow, I mean I've had my really learned how to express yourself more when you're not relying on
You know, you know clicking on this dump box or yeah or that effect, you know
You learn to see what you can do just with your fingers. Oh a pedal is a great way to hide slop
Oh, yeah
distortion pedal
Why do you think all these metal bands that weren't that good use distortion like nuts? It's like well, yeah
You know a lot of that 80s stuff you you were hearing the proko rap
Yes, pedal. Yes. Yep
Yeah, that was like the standard go-to
I mean you could be like hendrix who was sloppy
But he still was fantastic because the emotion he put out on it and the feeling that he generated
It didn't matter. It did not matter
He was sloppy, but he was fantastic because of how he did his songs
um
So, you know people don't have to actually
Hide everything with a distortion pedal. I mean you can do slot. Jimmy page was sloppy
But oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but man I I the stuff that he came up with
Brilliant. I mean he was just
I mean incredible guitar player. So there's lots of people that were sloppy that that they didn't hide it behind distortion
But I think in the 80s
It was that with an attitude. It's like yeah, we're sloppy, but we got the you know
We got this distortion box here and it makes a sound fucking mean
Yep, it's kind of part of the standard uniform for a lot of those bands. Yeah. Yep. Oh
Uh, and um, I think I told you about fuckhammer on the last music creeps, right?
The band the band that I made up and I put their flyers all around westport
Yep, okay
Well someone uh that was around that area at the time a good friend of mine has still talked to him told me what band I used
It was a band from la and they were an ugly glam metal band and they're called legs diamond
Oh my god, I've heard of lake diamond. Yeah, they were the ugliest motherfuckers ever
And those were the people I used I cut out their faces
And put fuckhammer over the top of it and my friend jake sent me a message the other day
He goes, I remember which band you use and I like who was that legs diamond. I'm like, oh shit
I remember them. They all wore makeup more as ugly as fucking sin on sunday in a church
I mean they were just oh they were nasty
So anyhow, would it be awesome if somebody still had one of those flyers?
Someone does
Someone does. Oh, yes, they're gonna they're gonna send it to me
They're gonna like take a picture of it or copy it or something and then mail it to me email it to me
They may have already done it because my email is fucked up. I have to go through there and look
But yeah, someone did have one of those flyers because they were they loved it so much. They're like
I mean and people really did believe fuckhammer existed. There are people bitching going. Hey fuckhammers supposed to play here tonight
And they're like there is no fuckhammer. Yeah, there is
My friend saw them
Some of this shit make some sort of arrangements to go out and autograph that flyer. Yeah. Yes
Let's see
My name's gonna be
uh, uh, my name's gonna be mitch hollyberg
Yeah, mitch hollyberg
Hey, who's mitch hollyberg, um the guy from fuckhammer. Yeah the guy that sings
Yeah, i'm mitch hollyberg
I'm gonna figure out how to curse of that really good
All right. So back to jakey lee
Okay, he's talking about, you know newest guitarist and I like what he's done here
He talked about randy rhodes, right?
And he said that you know, actually some of his stuff was harder to play which he was correct
Because he played
Randy rhodes, uh, he did play chords, but he's strung a bunch of notes together. That was classical influenced music, which was fantastic
Where jakey lee did chords where he relied on hitting the strings to make the melody
Yeah, and so he was right about that, but he also gave uh, randy rhodes a lot of compliments, too
He said, you know, he said, um songwriting
I take my hat off to him and he said, you know, that guy was very talented and all that
But I guess some people are pissed off thinking he was dogging randy rhodes. I think they need to reread read that article
Jakey lee was just stating the truth
You know, and if he would have talked about zach wilder, i'm pretty sure he would have probably said well
Zach wild's a fucking he's out of this world. He's from another planet, you know
so, uh anyhow, um, okay
But I appreciate jakey lee's honesty
You know, even though it might piss some people off. I really appreciate his on appreciate his honesty
I mean, I suppose he's got nothing to lose at this point, right?
Yeah
Okay, um, uh due to countless inventions concerning guitar gear over the years certain aspects of playing the instrument has changed
especially
digital simulator amps and and uh apps
Which have made a lugging huge stacks of amps from gig to gig a thing in the past and we've talked about that
The big stacks of uh of marshals are fake anymore
Yep. Yeah, they do that for look
Uh during an interview with tone talk jakey lee pointed out a certain aspect tone talk is a podcast by the way
Jake lee pointed out a certain aspect of live guitar playing that he misses and also how it took different tricks to control it at the time
He said I feel like it's got to be loud
At least said transcribed by ultimate guitar. So this podcast transcribed this from there and uh, besides volume
There was another aspect of rock guitar that has seemingly taken a backseat
Especially in the modern day shredder era
The whole feedback thing he's right
Yeah, you've got to have a certain amount of volume not only get the feedback
And like the pinch harmonics, but also like van halen's eddie van halen style of you know, hammering on
Yeah, the strings with with your fingers
Uh, super low volumes that doesn't work. It doesn't work at all. It's got to be turned up, you know high gain
So it picks up all of that and compresses it all into a good strong signal
So you've got to have it loud for some of that stuff
Yeah, yeah, and I agree with that 100% and also that feedback was a lot of eddie sound
Yeah, and it was it was also jake sound live jake was really good with feedback live. I've seen it. I saw him two
two times live
And I wish I would have saw him more but he did a lot of stuff with feedback too. That was insane
I mean you're just like, you know
Uh how you hold the note and you bend it when the feedback's going on and the guitar you you know, you know which ways to
Bend the bend the feedback. I guess is what you would say
Yeah, you can you can bend the string you can turn your guitar slightly away. There's all sorts of ways you can
Play with the feedback and modulate it to get what you want. You can bring up right up to the edge where it's gonna
Destroy everything and then you just kind of back it down by turning to the side or
Using your volume control. There's
Yeah, there's a lot of intricate ways and some people are really good at it
And the people who aren't you can tell right away. Yes
Because it goes from actually a
Concerted
Path that you're going into noise
Yeah, you know and it's just like a the guy that kept writing me about you know
Finger tapping is easy. Anyone could do it and I said yes, but here's the thing
Not everyone can make it sound good
Yeah, I can finger tap right now
Does it sound good?
No
Sound any good when I do it either. Yeah, I think it's
Any good when I do it either? Yeah, I think you got to know what you're doing
Finger tapping is easy, but making it sound good is the trick. So
So anyhow jake louise said I mean you hold the note and then you move this way and change his pitch
That's what we just got at and that that you have to mute strings is something you have to learn when playing loud
Which is very true
And i'm hitting like down here. I'm muting with these fingers the top ones and then if i'm hitting up here
I'm muting with my palms across so it
Doesn't just uh feedback all over the place and that's definitely a lost art and I agree with them 100
Last you've got to play loud a lot in order to make all that stuff. Just you know, second nature
Yeah, yeah, and that's what I go to like eddie van halen and him and uh,
There's a lot of different guitarists that did this. Uh, george lynch was really good at it. Um
um, I even heard ingvay doing it as uh
As a perfectionist as he is as good as it. Well, actually jakey lee was really really tight sounding too
um
But uh the the perfectionist guitarist I even heard ingvay malmsteen do it. Uh, zack wild does it
I mean, you know and they have they all have their own sound that they do
And it's done with the feedback and the muting and all of this the volume knobs
Lastly lee also mentioned some examples to prove his point included two guitarists who first hit the scene back in the 60s
I was watching santana the sole sacrifice of woodstock. He's constantly going back and forth with a volume knob
Yeah, yeah
Yeah
And that's how you control a lot of sounds is a volume knob and then muting different strings is another way
And then moving your guitars different ways. I mean, there's just so many things that you learn. Yeah by playing it loud
and um
And doing the feedback and holding the note
And uh, he goes I miss that dark tone like george harrison he added which I agree think think about that george harrison had that
Very distinct dark tone that he's talking about
Yeah
And if he played something he was one of those people as much as people think he wasn't that talented and they're stupid
Is yeah. Yeah
Um, uh, just because he didn't write these uh, all these compositions and put them together in an orchestra
The guy was so good at his own sound and he had that dark tone
And whenever he played anything you could tell it was george harrison, which is a mark of a great guitarist
So, um anyhow, uh, and he said
Uh, I always want to try to use tone somewhere. It never fits for me
But yes loud guitar playing and just the excitement of when you're playing that loud and it's not controlled
Like if we're playing at a low volume, but with distortion it's like it's like you're in the belly of the beast
You're riding a dragon. It's just exciting
I I I got it. You know what? I mean i've always been a jakey lee fan, but i'm more than ever now
I you know, um
And the reason is because he's just he's stating honest stuff and he doesn't care if it pisses people off
He's telling the truth on it. And I love it. I mean just like the motley crute thing
You know, he's like, you know, I why would I lie about it now? You know, he's like look
Yeah, he's like this happened and that's it. I got nothing more to say about it, you know
um
So I I mean I really appreciate that article in particular because I feel the exact hundred percent same way
And I feel unvindicated now because he is an excellent guitarist was and will be you know, he's just
He's always been one of the top-notch guys out there. Yeah, so um, I appreciate him feeling exactly like I did and you too
Topher and and david and david's quite a musician himself and he feels exactly the same way
And the the art has been lost
to technicality
Yeah
And it's too bad because guitar was one of those things
That there really wasn't a limit there really wasn't anything you could do that was like, oh no
No, no, you can't that you know, it's like
What the hell is that? I don't know. He's like, I don't know. He's sticking needles in his amps or something
Okay
It sounds cool, you know
You know you couldn't do that with a violin, you know, I mean guitar is one of those free forms that your expression is limitless
Truly truly. Yeah, so
um
anyhow, uh, you got something you want to go into or
um
No, that's just uh
Just the lists
Okay, um
we have a
top 10
Metal solos we're wanting to talk about
Um, you want to do you have your 10?
Yeah. Yeah. In fact, the first one really plays into something that we've just been talking about cool
So the first one i've got these aren't necessarily in uh in the order of one through ten, but
They're just very they're all top 10. Um, so the first one I have is eruption
By eddie van halen. Oh, yeah. Yeah
Yeah
And the way it relates to what we were talking about is when people heard that
Nobody else was playing like that
true and
People heard that and copied his technical skills
But did not copy the feeling and the expression
So then what we got is a whole bunch of eddie van halen clones that were cloning just the technical side
And guitar solos became kind of boring
That's true
But the eruption has a lot of emotion and it goes places and it's just it's well crafted
It's not just chilling off how many notes you can play
Good point. Yeah. Yep. I agree 100
All right for my second one
I picked tornado of souls
by megadeth and martin friedman the guitar player
And uh, what really impressed me was it's it was very expressive
You know a lot of megadeth guitar solos. There's there's a lot of just shredding
But you know this had some shredding, of course, but there was just way more to it. It was you can tell
You know marty friedman has a really good grasp of
How to tell a story
How to tell a story?
No matter what he's playing. I had I had them on my list and then I took them off
Um, and I don't know why because now that you're talking about i'm like shit. You're right marty freeman
Marty freeman was one of those guitarists had never got enough credit. Yeah
anyhow
Okay number three
No more tears
On the osborne was zach wild playing guitar. Yep
and
There again, it it fits the mood of the song perfectly it it goes from
you know point to point and it uh, it's expressive and
It's it's it's very well crafted
Uh, yeah, uh, and this is what I said and we'll be going into a segment in the future on this
is um,
Um, okay when a guitarist or a musician learns how to write
music
From one album to another so you take uh, no rest for the wicked ozzy's first album with zach wild listen to that
And then listen to no more tears
Zach wild learned how to write a song on no more tears
But the thing was that was like he grew up in a hurry. Oh god. Yeah, that's what I was getting ready to say
He had a lot of help from bob daysley, but his playing on that
Is just so superior because of the way he learned how to write music
And you could tell the difference between both of them
Immensely, I mean they're both great albums and he and he's a great guitarist on each one of them
But that's one of those clear cut where you like this he learned how to write songs with this album right here
And and a lot of that stuff where he's like going back and forth from slide
And then going to regular guitar and then slide to regular
Is insane
Um, he does have slide on no more tears on on the main rhythm
and half regular guitar
So, you know, he's going wow, wow, wow, and then he goes back to
I I mean, yeah most people could not do that
No, I've seen some people do that live but not
Not in like the heavy metal format but more in the blues format
Uh-huh, and it is really impressive to watch them, you know
Forming chords and picking notes and then whenever they feel like if that slide comes down and it's just
All up and down the deck. It's
Yeah, the transition it just it always blows me away that people could just seamlessly go between the two
Oh, yeah, but then again zach i've seen him play with his teeth. I've seen him play behind his back
I've seen him play while jumping on bar tables. I mean
The guy is so good that I mean he he does it with his eyes closed. He doesn't look in a way
I mean, it's just you know, he's just one of those guys that is so good at that instrument
That's what he's meant to do in his life and you can see it pretty easily
So, I mean up at the waiting room in omaha. He is playing
Zach sabath, which is if you haven't seen zach sabath go see it
He sounds like ozzy
He sounds like ozzy and they're coming by laurence actually sometime this month
um, but
He he sounds like ozzy and he plays just insane
He was out running on the on the sidewalk in front of the waiting room playing guitar
He is on top of the bar playing guitar
He walked around every bed of that is a huge
Room is a big huge bar the waiting room is it holds probably about a thousand people and he would ran around every inch of that place
playing guitar
And he didn't miss anything that I could tell of I mean
Yeah, yeah, it's just something how good he is. But anyhow, sorry I interrupted and hijacked it. So go ahead
Okay, next on my list is um
Cowboys from hell
Uh pantera with diamond darrell doing the solo. Oh dime bag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is good. Yep
Yeah, sometimes he was diamond darrell sometimes he's dime bag so well
Okay, I can tell you the secret to that when they were a glam band. He was diamond when they got to that power fist rock
He was dime back
Oh, that makes sense
Okay
but
Really what what struck me is
um
In the early part of the solo he's he's like
Doing arpeggios and he keeps going down like a minor like a half step
Down minor and it's just it's like
It reminded me of you know getting drawn into the pit or the spider's web. It's like
It's a like a descent into something and you can't help yourself. You're just being drawn in his genius was lost
That was his intention, but that's how I took it. It was like, okay. This just sucks you right in and now it's got you
Okay, I believe that that is how it was intended to be
He was one of the musicians that only musicians
Fucking knew his brilliance
Because his other stuff got lost were the power riffs and all that people never took him seriously
But that guy was a genius
On a lot of that stuff that he wrote and he'll never get the credit because they're pantera
Vulgar display of power, you know all this stuff, right?
You know, they're what I call. I don't know fist rock. It's like go punch someone in the face just because that stuff so
He's what you hear when you're in the mosh pit. Yes. Yeah
Yeah, like teenagers bloodied themselves up over this music
Okay, so he never got
the the accolades he deserved
Except with musicians because musicians could tell they're like, okay. Okay that riff that riff
Okay, we know that's a power riff but listen to that listen that melody that he's coming up with
like this love
This love the melody on this love is insane
cemetery gates
The melody on that is insane
This is all dime bag. He does so many places along there where he had multiple choices of where he could go next
That's what i'm saying instead of back cord and you know these passing notes, whatever
The so he's making choices all along the way and I just can't imagine it being any different
You know, I think you just be like it made every right choice
Yeah, um, it was amazing because um
What he did with the music was he took this power
Rock and made melody into it on a lot of songs. He didn't do it on all songs, but the songs that he did
It was so good. I mean like this love like I said, yeah
Yes, and um
Sometime I would like to go through panteras all of their stuff and rate them
Because I believe that they never got the accolades
They deserved because they were looked at as a power rock band
They were the ones that the kids were filthy and got you know, got bloody and you know
Yeah, they you know, they were kind of like put in the like a real heavy motley crew where okay
They're not the most talented but you know
You know what? I mean, but actually yeah that band in particular was really talented with really good musicians
So, um, anyhow, even Vinnie Paul his uh, dime bag's brother his drumming was insane
He was really good at that people didn't have to wait for him to throw his drumsticks out to him
They got shards of them every minute. Yeah, like a beaver had been going
Yeah
But we're always going wear goggles wear goggles at a pantera show you're gonna get a splinter man. Yep
Anyhow, go ahead
Oh, i'm sorry. Go ahead. What were you saying?
Number five on my list is uh rainbow in the dark
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Vivian Campbell playing the solo
He was another guy that never played the solo
Yeah, he was the reason is is he was a european style player what I mean by that is he's a 70s
Richie blackmore tony iome guy. He didn't do the hammer-ons. He didn't do the finger taps
He didn't do all that the most he would get is a tremolo and that's about it. You know
Um
Uh, he really didn't get the accolades of what he really did
He was a very good drummer
Um, uh, he really didn't get the accolades of what he really deserved
I mean he was fantastic guitarist, but now he's in deaf leopard, I believe but go ahead. I'm sorry
All right. Um
The main thing I wrote down that uh, I like the menacing start
the start of the solo, um
Just you know because the song is pretty menacing. I mean, it's it's not necessarily about something super dark or or evil
But it just keeps that it's got that dark tension to it. Yeah, the solo starts that way
Um, but then it progresses from there and if he had just stayed in that menacing dark mode
It would not nearly have been as memorable
I agree
Yeah, so there again excellent choice to you know evolve the solo into something more than just
You know like the theme from jaws is it never went anywhere. It's just boring
Yes, I agree, um
I forgot what the song is about I read about it and it's something that you wouldn't even think
Uh that it was about you know, you think do you think most of the time i'm just listening to the instrument
I'm not paying attention to the words. No me neither. I mean rainbow in the dark. I mean from that first note
I mean and it's not the most complicated rhythm ever. It's just really really good
Yeah, really really catchy and dio is so good at that stuff, too. I mean, um
Um with sabbath and solo rainbow was richie blackmore and he did all that intricate, uh,
Um, I don't know bethoven bock style stuff where he put all that together
Which was brilliant, but when dio, um left and he went into sabbath they went into the more traditional
Style of music in a heavier style, which I appreciated but anyhow go ahead
All right
Number six. I have jet city woman by queensright. That's a good one
Yeah, chris de garmo playing the solo
Yeah, and I love I love his tone to begin with I really like his tone and
I like the way he doubles a lot of uh his parts and harmonizes with himself
Yeah
and it's it's
It's no another one of those solos. That's just the perfect bridge between one part of the song and the next
Um, he has always been one of the great underrated guitarists along with a guy from black flag. I what is that guys?
Shit now, I can't think of his name, but chris de garmo was along those lines. He was a very good guitarist
Um, but he never got his uh, deserving the you know, the
He's another one like the guy from black flag only musicians really knew how good they were
Yeah, you know noodle bettencourt. He finally got big enough to where people are like and he's eddie van halen's friend
Um, he finally got to where people are like, yeah, that guy's amazing. But those two guitars de garmo and
Whoever from black flag i'll think of it sooner or later. Um
You know
They never really got that type of uh, to that height
You know, yeah, so anyhow
All right up next I have painkiller by judas priest. That's a good one
Uh, and he's a great guitarist
Um, but the the song is like a fast-paced assault. I mean it never lets up. I mean it just hammers you from the beginning
And the solo does that too. I mean it still
Has a musical story to tell
But it keeps the pace frantic from start to finish. Yeah, and it's one of those songs when it's over you know
It's a song that's been around for a long time
You know, but it keeps the pace frantic from start to finish. Yeah, and it's one of those songs when it's over
You're you're breathing hard
And then in between you have rob halford
Yeah
You know, not everyone likes his voice and you know his tone
But you got I I think it's clear that he's perfect for that band regardless if you like him or not
He is the human equivalent of a banshee
That voice uh anyhow, yeah
Well, that's I mean even the drum intro to that song is often used as a measure of how good of a drummer you are
Is can you play the intro to painkiller? Uh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that's right
Another thing that's not mentioned a whole lot is it's a dual guitar solo you mentioned it
Um, but it's a dual guitar solo, but it's still so good
Yeah, it's two people working on this thing. Yeah, those two work together so well downing and kippen
Yeah, it's too bad that like I don't know what happened with kk. They hate
They hate him now
He left the band but I thought it was under good terms
And now he's got kk priest or kk's priest or something like that and he's putting out good music
But now whenever you see it, I I don't even I think it's glenn tipped in and richie faulkner now
Oh, yeah, I mean it's still he's still a great guitarist
But I mean I I would rather hear him kk and tipped in because that
To me is the defenders of the faith and all that stuff the really big albums in the 80s
Yeah
All right number eight
I have afterlife from avenged sevenfold
Sinister gates playing the solo. Oh
And yeah
It's super musical
Super precise and super fast
I it's it when I when I listen to it, I think
Uh like john patrucci fast and precise. Oh jeez
Yeah
And uh, or like phil collin from death leopards that level of precision
I mean he plays exactly what he intends to play and nothing else phil collin is a shredder, too
I've seen him on generation acts which was five distinct really good guitarists that toured
It was like newton bettencourt zac wild. Um, this new guy called. Yeah, bo she or something like that
um
Who is a rhythm league guy? That's just insane. Um
Um, and it was uh ing bay and steve vie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, and uh, anyhow
uh
It was uh, uh phil collin
was uh one of them and um
Let's see. No, no, no, no, that was a different hang on. He would there was another one g5
Generation acts was one I just said he was in g5 which was oh, yeah
Yeah
And he shredded like I I never knew he could
And yeah, and then he started playing soul music with his band
the
It's a black lady that sings. She's a lead guitar. No the lead singer and he's a lead guitarist
But they play soul music. It's called like alabama shake or something like that
Wow, I thought that up. Yeah, I think it's called alabama shake
uh
And uh anyhow, he was playing soul music with this lady after he got done shredding
It was the most unique thing i'd ever seen. I was like wow
Yeah, I believe it's alabama shake or alabama shakes but anyhow go ahead
So, uh, I was gonna say it's not
uh
unusual that sinister gates plays with the john patrucci's level of speed and precision because
The guys in avenge sevenfold were big fans of dream theater. Yes, they were and um, I don't
I like avenge sevenfold, but I never got into him that much. That's why I remain quiet about it
I really don't know enough about him to comment
Um, but I do know that they're very talented. So
Yeah, my my youngest son jeffrey
Um thought just about every every album that when it came out, so i've heard quite a bit of it through the years
Through the years, okay, he moved on to somebody else now, but he was a big fan of avenge sevenfold for a while
That's cool. Maybe I need to start revisiting them. I don't know. Um, but um,
Always thought they sounded kind of like metallica, but of course to me with more talent
I mean, I I I don't know. I know metallica has done so well
But yeah, I didn't I didn't like their stuff after uh, and justice to me everything after that was garbage
Yeah, a lot of people see that as the dividing line
Um the stuff before had melody it had charm it had um
Meaning it had um undertones. I mean it was just so edgy and good and a lot of that might have been cliff burton
Yeah, because and justice they still had some cliff burton songs on that
Uh, but then that's when they started, you know one hit really big as a video then they came out with a black album
And then after that, I yeah, I just don't want to talk about trash in my opinion
Anyhow, yeah, I think a lot of people feel that they
They lost their hunger
Yeah after injustice for all I would agree and also they went to rehab too many times
Yeah, I I hate putting it like that, but it's true. They weren't angry at me
Well, yeah, I mean it really does change a lot about how you think about things, you know, it's the only way to
Do you any good? Could you imagine if trent let me change it? Could you imagine if trent were unsn
Reznor went to rehab before pretty hate machine
It would have never worked
No, uh the downward he expressed a lot of uh, his inner demons on the first few albums and uh
You know, I feel bad for him that he was in such pain, but he sure got some awesome
Music out of it. That's what i'm saying angry music made the best music ever. It's been proven. But um, yeah, I mean and
He uh, maybe that's why people say angry sex is so good. But you know, I know I've never done it
All right. I'm not gonna i'm just gonna leave that one right there. I'm gonna leave that one floating in the air
Okay
All right number nine on my list to do ace of spades by motorhead. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Eddie clark the guitar player
It's a really short solo because it's a really short song. Oh, yep, but uh, it's it's really it's a it's a good example of
of um pre van halen style guitar solos where
You know you're you're playing
Uh, not so much to show technical skill, but
It it's weird for such a fast metal song it still seems soulful somehow. Yes
I guess that's the best way I can describe no no I I get it. I get what you're saying. I agree
um
I think you described it very well, but I don't know
And then uh last on my list, but certainly going to be first on most people's list
angel of death by slayer
kerry king on guitar
You talk about another underrated guitarist
Yeah
Kerry king is so underrated
Yeah, the evilness that he projected on the songs that he wanted to sound evil
No
Brilliant
And then you hear the guy you hear the guy on an interview and he's like a slap happy guy. It's like what?
This guy wrote that shit
Yeah, I thought the guy was gonna go home and like eat fucking rat innards and fucking pray to satan
Yeah, then you hear me
I definitely gonna have to listen to this solo a few more times because it goes by
So fast. Oh, I know I know um
It's a fantastic seller though, but I mean, you know, you hear the guy and he's like, yeah, I I prefer to eat
grains whole grains and
I have this bread that I make and it's like oh no
No, no, no, you go home and you drink blood and you pray to satan
You know, I mean
It is like really I hope he if he was full of like fast food burgers
He'd never be able to move his hands that fast. That's true. He had to take care of himself. That's true
All right, I'll go to my impression I get from that solo is
It kind of ruins all other shredding solos because he just did it too perfectly in this one
Yeah, it's like you can't get any better than that. So everything else is gonna be second place or worse
I would agree 100%
I yeah, yeah, Kerry King will always be an underrated guitarist forever and he even has his own band now
and he has his own freedom and everything but
He's still nobody really I mean, well, you know that kind of music isn't big anymore even kind of big
But yeah, he kind of does what he wants to now listen to some of his solo stuff
He goes into some stuff. Yeah, you wouldn't think
Well, actually if you got to listening to him in his interviews, you would think okay
This guy's opened up to a lot more than that
But anyhow, I'm glad you mentioned him
I don't have my mind but he really needed to mention because he is such a good guitarist that'll never get the credit he deserves
So, all right, I got my top 10
Okay, okay, my number 10 is
Ozzy Osbourne
Randy Rhodes over the mountain
Oh, yeah, that thing is insane
You don't know where he's coming and going but it all makes sense
It does. Yeah
But man when he drops down
And starts hitting those high licks
After doing that bridge. It's like what the fuck is he doing here?
He's like what's wrong with wait a minute. That's fucking great. He he like takes chaos
And cages it
And puts it in this solo. I mean and this is a guy that was a classical player
I mean, I know we played in quiet ride and did rock or heavy metal or whatever pop metal
Whatever you want to call it
I know that but he wasn't that far removed from being a classical guitarist
And that's what he wanted to do with his life was teach classical guitar
And this guy's there doing that shit
I mean, yeah, wow
I I mean if you don't if you have any questions, just listen to it
I mean that thing is just and you'll know what i'm talking about
You'd be like, oh, that's it right there. Let me turn that up. Yep
The next one and you had this on your list and I agree with it so much
Ronnie James Dio
Vivian Campbell playing it Rainbow in the Dark
Yeah, he says a song inside a song
His feeling and emotion and power and strength in that
Just insane. He's one of these guys. They'll never get enough credit now. He plays in deaf leopard
So he definitely will not get any credit
Yeah
It's true
Because deaf leopard is a certain formula so he's not allowed to do anything
Like that. So, you know
But yeah Rainbow in the Dark
Vivian Campbell always one of the best another one that took Vivian Campbell's place right after who was excellent is Greg Goldie
He played
He played in Jeffree and a couple other bands but Greg Goldie he plays on dream evil
Get a chance listen to a dio dream evil. There is so
Interesting guitar parts on there and you'll know what i'm talking about when you hear it like the song dream evil or sunset
Superman, I mean there's great stuff on there
Okay, then my number seven would be motley crew too young to fall in love
Oh
Yeah, that is that is just a magnificent solo and with mick maurice
I have like 10 songs like there's like a lot of
Are on too fast for love like piece of your action
Where he just goes off with this tone that is just insane you hear that tone you go gosh, how did he get that?
Dude is just so criminally underrated. It's just insane if I hear anybody saying mick maurice is not that good
I'll probably kill him with an axe
Then definitely fighting words, yeah, they are they're like fuck you mick maurice best thing that ever happened to fucking motley crew
Now come on bitch fucking step up. You know take that back or you're gonna fucking get hit
All right. Next one iron maiden two minutes to midnight
Okay, yeah, I took one minute to think of that one
Yeah, I mean, yeah the killers breed other demons. See you know, I mean, you know, I mean
Yeah, the killers breed other demons see it's fantastic. It's fast, but it gets a point across and this is
Adrian smith and dave murray
Both on this so it's another one like the judas priest
Painkiller where two different guitarists came together and made this magnificent piece of work in the middle of a song
Um, the next one a lot of people may not be familiar with I don't know. Do you know that much about black label society?
Um
No, not really there's a song on there called stillborn
I know I know
This song is not only a shredding song
Um, but the solo on there he calls what I this is what I call a spiderweb solo
Where they do the four different parts?
Where it goes?
Do you know what i'm saying? This is not technical at all
This is not technical. This is all feeling but I call it a spider. I call it a spider web
Because they go around in the same four points
Over and over and over but it's all different
It's all different. Does that make any sense at all? Probably not
Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying
Yeah, listen to it and you'll definitely know what i'm saying
Um, it is just a fantastic solo
um
My number five I think it is or five. I forgot to number these
Uh, it's either five or four. Let's see one two three four. It's number five. Okay
um ace freely
The solo and kiss alive two
Um
Have you ever that thing I I mean it's a solo that he does in concert
But this thing he does the volume knobs. He does the pedals
And he doesn't have a tremolo. So he's got all these uh note bending with the volume knobs
And making these sounds that are just insane
Um, wow, it is a long solo but not too long
Um it if you ever want to hear somebody with feeling that's sloppy
But it doesn't matter listen to this solo. It's sloppy as hell, but you don't care. It's like man. This shit is good
I mean, it's kind of like hendrix was it was sloppy as hell, but man. It was good or jimmy page
This is along the same vein
uh ace freely kiss alive two
Um, it is in the middle of shock me which was his big song, you know, wit kiss
You know, we kiss
And it's excellent. All right. The next one we already spoke about it earlier and is on yours is uh,
Ozzy no more tears
for everything we spoke about
Um, yeah, zach is
his uh
The way he learned how to write a song him and bob daisley worked so well together
I don't think bob daisley worked on no rest for the wicked
But he was definitely on no more tears and his influence was zach wild
I think really helped zach wild become a much better songwriter
and uh
His work was just superb on that that whole album
That whole album which lemmy wrote four songs on
Is just insane it's one of the best albums ever written
And lemmy wrote four songs on there including their huge hit mama i'm coming home which he wrote
about ozzy and sharon and their
Um
Crazy relationship if you will
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, um so
All right. So then my uh, third one
Black sabbath heaven and hell
It's a bridge solo
But that's all he knows that's all it needs
Tony aomi realized
That he didn't need much more than that and he went with it and it was a perfect perfect way to do it
I mean that thing is it's just so good. It's great music written perfectly
Sung perfectly it just it's really good and also the unsung hero in that geyser butler
Geyser butler is such a he's such a bassist. He's a guitarist
bassist
Yeah, you know he's not just a guy that does the heartbeat
You know, he is a guy that you slam the loudest sounds you can up against to compete with his base
And they did a lot on the early sabbath with uh, ozzy
I mean, yeah, iomi just hitting these powerful notes and just slamming them against geyser butler and geyser butler's going
Do do do I mean just incredible shit, but uh, heaven and hell was actually with dio and he wasn't doing that
he was doing more of a heartbeat bass on there, but
Fantastic song bridge solo. I love number two
intruder
By van halen. Oh, yeah, that thing is insane
When you call it intruder you're like, oh, that's a catchy name. Well when you hear it you go
Oh, yeah
That's intruder
Yeah
You can hear the music
Sneaking in the room
You can hear it quietly closing the door
You can see it looking around the corner. You can see it coming in
I mean, it's just it's fucking beautiful eddie van halen king eddie
That they'll never be anyone like him ever
um
You know, it's just like what alex van halen said in his book brothers, which I agree with so much
He said to say he was the best would be implying there's more people like him
Oh, yeah, good point. He's right alex van halen is actually really intelligent and he's kind of almost like a buddhist
Really this book i'm gonna do a full report on it on the douchebags and probably on this one too because it's music related
but
It's good. It's really really good
anyhow number one
Ozzy song again, and it's a randy rhodes song again. Mr. Crowley
Oh, yeah, that thing is a perfect solo. I swear he comes in fast
but smooth
Then he leaves slower
But not so smooth, I it's just a formula that just sounds great
Uh, yeah, if you don't know listen just listen to yeah, i'm gonna go listen to that one again. Oh, it's fantastic
Um, anyhow, that's my 10. Uh, did you want to go into the rock ones?
I think I'm my voice is about done. I don't think
Okay, that's cool. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you said now or we're over an hour now. Okay. All right. That sounds cool
All right. We'll uh catch it next time and also got a list from rob. I haven't really looked at it yet
I have to admit it. I've been busy
um
But anyhow, we'll do that on the next music creeps
All right. All right. All right. You got a bonus one
All right. We'll uh, we'll talk to you fuckers later. Anyhow. Thanks for listening fuck off
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