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Alright, hey this is the sports bastards coming at you once again in your ear holes.
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Yes, from the beautiful historic river market district in downtown Kansas City proper.
Yeah, you know I've been seeing some interesting photographs on this historic KC page on Facebook.
Oh I love that, yes.
Some of those early ones from the city market, it's pretty cool.
Well the city market was there still when they were just like a smaller town on the bluff.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean it was developed a long, long time ago.
I guess the city must have been a port for import and export for goods etc.
And when you're offloading goods here, you know, the market's going to spring up for you to sell them here, so why not?
Thanks to the crystal blue teal waters of the Missouri River.
Yes.
Actually if I wouldn't, I think a lot of people know, we have a lot of listeners around here and people that know,
the Missouri River looks like mud mixed with vinegar.
Yeah, I think the rainmakers described it as when the fishing in the Missouri is like looking for secrets where the catfish crawl.
Yeah, big muddy, I mean, anyhow, alright.
Well we did some predictions and I don't think we did very well.
Actually we both missed five.
Okay, that's alright.
So that's not too bad.
We had one, two, three, so 13 games.
There were three games missing because of six teams going by a week, so we were eight and five.
Okay, that's not too bad.
We're well above 500, we'd be a playoff team.
Yeah.
Are we a minute in the podcast?
Yes, we're almost two minutes in.
When I just heard everybody click off, it's already a minute.
It still counts.
Let's see, we didn't miss the same ones so much this week, we had some different ones.
Oh, I know we did and we'll probably do some more looking at the matchups.
Yeah, alright, shall we jump in?
Yeah, let's do it.
Alright, the Thursday night game was Pittsburgh at Cleveland.
Yeah.
I was watching the YouTube description, which is pretty interesting,
and then I taped it that night and watched the game the next day.
I've also learned, supposedly, for those Amazon Prime games, if you go to twitch.com slash Prime Video, you can watch it for free.
Really?
Because Prime Video has a channel on Twitch.
I don't know if you have to be a member, I think, of Twitch.
I don't know if they've got a fee or not, but that's a way you can watch the game without having to go to Amazon Prime.
Okay, that makes sense.
Anyway, so we both predicted 28-10 Pittsburgh, and it was Cleveland 24-19.
Yeah, and it was a great game, too.
It was so much fun. Those two teams really have awesome games.
Oh, they do. Jameis Winston looked bad and good like he always does.
I mean, that's just him. He'll throw you three touchdown passes and he'll throw you three interceptions.
Yeah. Whenever he's on, he looks as good as anybody. Whenever he's off, he looks as bad as anybody.
That is true, but that was quite the battle.
Yeah, it was. Pittsburgh's a good team, but are they among the leaders?
I mean, look, like Baltimore, I know they beat Baltimore, and the Bills and the Chiefs, they're not quite there yet.
Not quite, no.
Yeah, they are a very good second-tier team headed towards the first team, and a lot of it depends on whether Russell Wilson, he's already playing better. His deep ball is back.
That's true.
So we'll see. I mean, if anyone can bring it out of them, like we said earlier, it'd be Mike Tomlin in another podcast.
This is going to be an interesting story. Their defense is solid, and they might be a team that sneaks up on some people.
Yeah, I remember one week I was kind of picking them as the dark horse to come from behind, and I guess they still could be. Baltimore's right there with them.
They have the tiebreaker, though. So yeah, do they play them again? Is that the same division I'm trying to think of?
Yeah, yeah it is. And Pittsburgh plays nothing but division games for the rest of the season.
So Pittsburgh is going to definitely, do you ever hear it's in their own hands? It's in their own hands.
It is, yeah. I think Pittsburgh has, it's not just division games, but all of their division games are still coming.
I think they've played one or two division games. Yeah, yeah, no, I know what you meant.
So they've got like four or five to go. There's still plenty of movement within that division, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Yes, and if they win all of them against division opponents, then they are good. So anyhow, all right, we can go on to the next game.
Okay, Tennessee at Houston. Final score was Tennessee 32-27.
I know, but what is happening to Houston?
I keep hearing, I wasn't able to watch that, but I keep hearing about the safety that C.J. Stroud took that really much, I mean, I think he ran out of the back of the end zone on a pass play.
And that was pretty much like the clincher. Yeah. So they're pointing to that as a huge blunder. Well, he's a young quarterback, he'll learn.
I've seen veteran quarterbacks forget where they are and step out of the back of the end zone.
I really don't think it's as big a deal as they're making, but it was still a blunder.
Yeah, and I go back to this right here. Okay, if he was coached by Andy Reid, do you think C.J. Stroud would have done that?
No, I really don't think so. I mean, something basic and simple like that, I think Reid could have coached him right out. I mean, he'd still make mistakes, but.
Yeah, and even Matt Nagy, even though no one wants to give him credit, Matt Nagy would have made sure he knew not to do that too.
Yeah. Something like that, I have to blame on coaching.
Yeah, I've heard audio from on the field on like a punting play from the end zone, and I can hear when they break the huddle, I can hear players yelling, remember where the end zone is, remember where the back line is.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. How come that didn't happen?
Yeah, see, it's just little habits like that, you know, on a punting down. Everyone says, remember where the end zone line is. It could have helped.
And maybe he knew, but he accidentally did it, that's possible, but I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, it could have been he panicked and forgot.
Yeah, it could have been. So, anyhow, I think that that is partly coaching, but everybody is responsible for their own actions, of course.
Yeah, true.
I don't know, the Texans are probably a playoff team, but I thought they were going to take that leap this year, maybe in the championship game. I take that back. It's going to be the same old, I bet, Bills and Chiefs.
I would think. Something like that.
I'm trying to think of who else in that division would take it, you know, not Tennessee, not Jacksonville. I don't know, Indy's already got seven losses. I just don't know if anyone's going to catch Houston. I think they're going to wind up being the division champs.
Yeah, and they will have to play the first week because they're not going to get home field, obviously. And they're going to do it at home.
Well, yeah, division winners get home field advantage.
Yeah, after that is when they're going to probably get squashed.
Yeah, they'll play one game at home, and if they continue, then, yeah, every game will be on the road.
Yeah, and also CJ Stroud seemingly doesn't have that answer this year like he did last year.
Yeah, yeah, it does seem like there's a little bit of swagger missing from him. There's probably a better word than swagger, but that kind of seems to fit.
Last year, he looked more like the gunslinger, a little like a young Elway.
Yeah, yeah, he did. Once again, I go back to coaching. I think that like some of these defenses that they're throwing at him, he was not prepared for, obviously.
Diggs is out for the year, I believe, which doesn't help their cause. And also just getting Diggs, to me, I think the guy's a cancer.
Apparently so. Yeah, the Bills don't really seem to care that they don't have any more.
No, and they're doing better without him.
Yeah, and from what they say in the locker room, they're like, Stephon Diggs who?
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, careful that if someone's willing to sell it to you for cheap, you've got to wonder what the hell's wrong with it.
Tyreek Hill.
Remember, the Dolphins were like, oh, we stole him. No, we stole four draft picks from them.
Yeah, we got all of Tyreek Hill's best years. Yes. And he's still a great player.
He still is, but I...
But he's not the cheetah we had in KC.
And not the money you're paying him either. Yeah.
And they still haven't talked to him about his contract, so...
Wow. Denial.
Yeah, and also I do believe the Chiefs probably had a window to get him if they wanted him.
Oh, I'm sure.
And they're like, no, we'll get DeAndre Hopkins.
Yeah, and I've been trying to remember how to pronounce that new pass rusher's name, number 55, Ushay.
Ushay, I believe. I think it's Jason Ushay. Yeah.
Yeah, he actually got on the field this last game.
He did. He didn't do great on a couple of them, but he did okay on the other two.
I'm interested in this new defensive tackle, or not defensive offensive tackle that we have.
He is a two-time Pro Bowler, and like always, his name escapes me when I should be talking about it.
Yeah, but after the penalties on Joann Taylor, you gotta do something. Yeah.
I mean, he is a good pass blocker, and he's also a good run blocker, but he also cost him a couple drives.
Yeah, he did, and what he does in good, he makes up in bad. Yeah.
So, I would give him, as talented as he is, average player at best.
And you know, the way, the area that the defects in his game are, it's gonna be tough to ever make him a starter.
And do you really want a guy as a backup who's gonna come in and commit penalties?
No, and the money you're gonna be paying him? No, no, no, no.
They're doing what they have to do. They signed somebody.
But like me and one of the bosses at Work Talk, how the hell did that guy stay there unsigned when everybody was scrambling?
And then a few weeks after, Brett Veach was like, hey, look what I found. Look who I found. Yeah.
What has, you know, what did I say?
Yeah, it makes it hard to believe this is all just happening naturally and organically.
It really seems like we're being told what they want us to hear. They're setting us up.
They're feeding us the narrative that works for their story.
It just is way too convenient for the NFL for all these things to keep happening.
I think one thing that's going on is, and you very well may be right, but I think not all the way across the board like that.
There may be certain things that they do to influence, like we talked about.
But I think it's kind of like this.
Brett Veach is the only guy that can figure out how to manipulate the salary cap enough to do this. No one else can.
Cincinnati can't get anybody, I found out, because they're up against it.
Let's see, who else? There are several teams that really aren't that good that are up against it because they did not spend wisely.
Yeah, the Jets, I believe, were one of them.
Yeah, the Jets were another one.
But one of the things that Cincinnati is, is Joe Burrow would not take less, like Patrick Mahomes.
And I don't know about deferring money, but that right there, that hurt him considerably.
And it lets the team know Joe Burrow wants his first and the team comes second.
Yeah, I don't think that's, to me, that's not a leader. Just like the stuff he's saying now.
It's completely understandable, and he's not doing anything illegal or wrong.
He's just prioritizing his own earning, which a lot of people would do.
But the team has every right to say, we don't like that, we're getting somebody else.
Yeah, as good as he is, I think maybe you might have to part ways with something like that and start over.
You know, Mahomes is worried about his fourth finger. He needs another ring.
That finger's cold.
Yeah, where Burrow is worried about his bank account, seemingly.
Yeah, I would say so. And he wants to be healthy enough so that he can get traded to the proper team next year.
That's what I think's going on.
Yeah, I think he's, because if he gets, you know, a little ding, big deal.
But if he gets a serious ding from now until the end of the season, his trade value goes in the toilet.
Yeah.
Because of his history of injury.
Exactly. Yeah, one more serious injury, and you're right.
Another thing I've noticed, small this is, and I admit I'm an over analyzer.
Whenever he gets sacked, he gets up and he glares.
He glares at the people that let him down.
He does a Jeff George.
Like, motherfucker, you just got me.
Jump up, pointing finger.
Yeah, well, that doesn't fly very well. Mahomes never does that. Josh Allen doesn't do that.
Oh, Aaron Rodgers, he probably does that. I don't know.
He does. Anyhow.
Those linemen need to have confidence. They need to know you believe in them the way they believe in you.
And when you get up and start scolding them.
It doesn't fly. It doesn't fly. You get up, even if you're limping, you get up and you pat them on the ass and go,
man, look, man, everybody gets beat every now and then, man, I trust you. You're good.
Has there ever been a time in your life where you did something wrong and somebody scolded you and you immediately said,
boy, I sure want to please that person. I'm going to do better.
No, you're thinking, fuck this guy.
Yeah, I'm flipping them off on the inside.
So, it's self-defeating, but it's going to play out the way it does in Cincinnati and Burroughs is going to be on a new team next year.
In bullet points, we're going to go into that.
Anyway, we both got the Tennessee Houston game wrong.
Remember we were talking about that about ten minutes ago?
Yes.
Okay, next game, Minnesota at Chicago. We both picked Minnesota, which is correct. They won 30 to 27.
Way closer than I thought it would be. Way closer than either one of us thought it would be.
Well, I'm going to go into the sexy picks now and all of a sudden Caleb Williams looks like the hot chick in the room with the skimpy dress.
Where Jalen Daniels looked like. That's another bullet point we'll go into too.
About how the NFL fluctuates on the sexy pick.
Who is it? Oh my God, look at this guy. Now it seems to be turning to Caleb Williams.
But anyhow, we'll get into that a little bit later.
Next game, Dallas at Washington. We both got it wrong. We picked Washington. Dallas won 34 to 26.
I don't like the way this is starting out.
No, most of our losses are incorrect picks that are up here in the top.
Yeah, it would have to be. I think we're on four already, aren't we?
Pretty much. I'm on three. No, this is the third wrong one for both of us.
Yeah, I mean, what can you say? I mean, mediocrity and horrible both.
Yeah, if Washington had had one or maybe two more years with their current lineup, they would mop the floor with Dallas.
Yeah, they would have.
Which means next year they probably will because Dallas has a history of not doing what they need to do to fix their problems.
But Washington is finally.
Yeah, another case in point is a young team. They led a couple of negative plays.
Hang on, sorry, I just got.
Yeah, I can see where you're going with that. It's like when you're young and experienced, something happens.
It rattles you.
Yeah, whereas a more seasoned team, you're like, you know, whatever, OK, next.
Yeah, I mean, the Chiefs are just like, all right, we'll get them next time.
And Mahomes is over there doing the hand. You know that hand gesture he does? Everyone come on.
Everybody was kind of interviewed over that except Mahomes.
OK, and everybody came up with the same conclusion. That's him trying to get his answer quick.
That's him telling his mind, come on, come on, let's think, because he never realized he was doing it.
I remember in his first season, they would focus in on that.
And the story then was he's telling the sideline, hurry up, give me the play. I'm ready to go.
No, they say it's different.
Yeah, but that makes sense. That would be the story they would tell on him that first season.
That's the story they thought.
Well, no, that's what they made up to make it sound good. Oh, look, hot young, you know, quarterback.
He's so eager, so full of energy. Let's just, you know, make up this lie about why he's doing that.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Why not? Again, sexy pick, sexy answer. Yeah. So anyhow, go ahead.
And if you pay attention during all of the broadcasts, everything is a promotion.
They always talk about how great each team is and they've got all these hot young players.
It is, yeah.
And the coaching staff is so good and everybody's a nice guy. You never hear a single negative thing about any of these teams.
So why are half of them losing every week?
There have been a hell of a lot of draws if it's like what they say.
So, you know, that's another reason that I tend to turn the sound off on the TV.
I mean, don't even put on closed captioning because it's just a relentless stream of NFL propaganda instead of actual play by play and analysis.
I don't do closed captioning because it has a way of getting right in the way of the play.
Yeah. And it's always about four or five seconds behind because the AI is struggling to keep up.
Oh, God. Yeah. And the AI cannot decipher certain words in certain contexts and it goes to really crazy shit.
The other day I was watching a show and the people were talking about a historic mythical figure called Orpheus.
And the closed captioning kept printing it out as orphans.
And you could hear the people say Orpheus. There's no N in there anyway.
But the AI said, oh, orphans. And he kept popping that up on the screen.
Oh, I got one for you. This was last weekend, a football game.
Every time they said the ball might be loose, they thought it said buttocks.
Boy, I sure can't wait for AI to start flying our airplanes for us, right? Can you?
Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Well, I'll be the first one on there.
I mean, yeah, it's like in the pile buttocks.
Now, how much of this is designed to get us to not take AI seriously and dismiss it as just some foolish little thing that's not a threat?
I think half and half. Yeah, I'd say so too.
That's why they always put happy cutesy faces on all the robots, like those little robotic delivery things.
Yeah, they could put any face on them. They put googly eyes and smiles on them to make us all think they're pets.
Yes. Well, they do have a robot pet now and people buy it.
Manipulation. Oh, yeah. Probably records everything you do.
I would imagine so. Yeah, because when you sign that paper of the agreement, it's in there.
Well, you know right off the bat that the robotic pet has cameras because it needs to see and it has microphones because it needs to hear.
Okay. All guys? Go ahead. I'm sorry.
And every bit of the thing, every bit of what it sees and hears, it's going to send back to the manufacturer who's going to compile that data and sell it to whoever wants it.
Figure out what to sell. Yeah. Yeah. Or sell it to someone.
So you let anything into your house that records anything, you now have no control over what's happening with that.
You sign it in the agreement. Yep. And a word, okay, this is a public service announcement to all men.
No jerking off in front of the robot pet, okay? That will be on YouTube eventually.
Yes. And please put a strip of tape over the camera on your laptop before you start changing or doing that or whatever.
Yeah, or something. Be considerate, okay?
Because remember how the employees of Tesla copied the videos from inside people's cars and swapped them around?
Yes. So you know it happens. It does happen. Yeah. Like the old photo mats.
Yeah, all the film developers, they'd find the pornographic ones and the ones that didn't censor, they made copies of them.
And then they would trade them around. And that's where a lot of child porn started.
Yeah. Is these photo mat places and photo huts. They would develop the family photos.
Yeah, perverts would go to work there. Yeah, and grab the stuff. So modern day photo mat.
Okay, so anyhow, where were we? Anyway, we were talking about football, I believe.
Yeah, we were. Okay. Jerking off in photo mats.
Oh, next game, New England at Miami. Final score was 34 to 15. You got it right. Almost exactly. You picked 34 to 10.
Oh, yay me. And I picked New England in 1917, so I was way off. Way off? Way off.
Sorry. We're a minute in. Don't worry about it.
I see where you got that New England. Always plays Miami tough, but Tago Viola right now is on a run.
He's doing much, much better. Yeah. He's got this thing now where he's kind of like, he's not really saying I'm not a pussy, but he's kind of saying I'm not a pussy.
Yeah, I get that kind of feeling from him.
Well, there's some statements he made, and I'd have to look and find them. But basically he's saying I'm not a pussy, watch this.
And I imagine when Tyreek first got there to Miami and was saying all those things about Tua being the most accurate and the best quarterback ever, Tua was probably saying, quit saying that, man. I don't want to have to live up to that.
Oh, I'm sure. I just want to be me. I'm sure. Quit raising all these outrageous expectations. Yeah.
But, you know, quickly it came to be that everyone didn't take Tyreek seriously. Well, and then now Mahomes is. Yeah. Again. So.
But I can see Tua, especially with his injuries and the concussions and being out, and I could see him wanting to work on his toughness image. Definitely.
Oh, yeah. It's like the Chinese proverb, I think. It goes kind of like this. Man with two faces eventually has no face. Yeah. That's it. Right there.
No one believes him on anything because he changes his tune so much. Yeah. So. Yeah. It's a more elegant way of like the boy who cried wolf. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's what happened is, is he said this, said that, said this, said that. And people like, OK, I'm just not going to listen anymore.
And that is actually a very effective way to lie is to flood somebody with so much information that they don't know what to believe anymore.
Yeah, that's true. And that's what's going on, too. Yeah. Very much so. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Yep.
We'll see what happens with Miami the rest of the way out. They're not making the playoffs. I can't imagine they're getting in. But right now, I think.
Next season was going to be kind of interesting for Miami. They could take a big step forward or they could just follow the pieces.
One thing they like, they like Mike McDaniels. Yeah. They want to keep him there. That's one thing.
Number two is they're trying to figure out who they're going to need in a draft. Yeah. So they're playing their ass off. Yeah.
They look pretty good right now, too. Their defense looks really well, too. So.
And really the only teams that are going to tank it are the ones that want to really, really high draft pick to get a specific player.
Yeah. I don't know why Carolina is suddenly playing so hard. I don't know.
I don't know. Maybe internally within the league they investigate to make sure you're not tanking.
I'm sure there's something like that. And there's probably extremely severe penalties that we'll never hear about.
Punishing the teams. That's not something they want anyone to know about.
Well, yeah. Every company has internal discipline that even the shareholders and the board of directors never hears about. Yeah, that's true.
I'm sure that's going on in the NFL. And if they get a whiff anyone's tanking, which could affect viewership, attendance, basically it affects money.
Season ticket holders, advertisers. It basically affects income. So they're going to jump on that.
And one of the ways they can punish them is no national games next year. Yep.
Crappy schedule. Yeah. Yeah.
We're going to send you to Jacksonville one week and London the next week and San Diego the next week. Well, Los Angeles.
You can tell the shit teams because that's what they did to them. Yeah. Yeah.
And when a team starts having like a really, really bad schedule and travel schedule and all sorts of things, they're being punished for something.
Yeah. Yep. Because all that stuff is completely flexible within the NFL framework.
So if it comes out that way, they have a reason to punish that team.
Yeah. You know, they're not rolling dice. They're like, well, so and so, you know, we kind of got to get them because they did this.
Okay, well, let's send them to London. Yep. For two weeks in a row. Like Jacksonville. Yeah, like Jacksonville.
And it could be something as simple as Jacksonville's owner didn't vote the right way on something. Could be.
So the league is punishing them by doing this. And next time Jacksonville's owner is going to think twice and probably do what's requested of them.
And people who don't think stuff like that exists, how much stuff you didn't think exists is public knowledge now.
Yeah. Think of what you believed wasn't possible a year ago. And then all of a sudden, whoops, I guess it was.
I guess it was. Yeah. So anyhow. All right. Keep your mind open. Yep.
All right. Next game. KC at Carolina. 30 to 27 Chiefs. We both picked the Chiefs to win in a blowout. It wasn't a blowout.
Number one, Bryce Young is coming of age. He is. He was dropping dimes right in the breadbasket. He has accuracy. He has scrambling skills.
He seems to be putting it together. Mo Holmes is very complimentary. He saw it. He was like, you know, playing your ass off.
Could it be that everyone just had their best effort because this is Carolina. Was Carolina Super Bowl.
That's part of it. But a big thing I noticed was when each team's offense would drop back to pass.
Carolina had somebody to throw to quickly. Yes. Mo Holmes never did. No. Mo Holmes has always look, look, scramble, look, run around again, look, sack.
There was a point in the game where Carolina's quarterback been sacked once. Ours have been sacked five times.
Because Mo Holmes hangs onto the ball and hangs onto it and tries to extend the play. And the announcers are saying, oh, what a gamer. Isn't he so awesome?
The reality is no one's getting open. All you're going to do is get yourself hurt. Yeah. So how is it Carolina can get their receivers open or at least one open for Young to throw to immediately?
And Kansas City can't get a single dump off person available for Mo Holmes to throw to. City has to run.
Here, I'll just go ahead and go into it right now. Please do. Okay. I examined this and started looking at everything going on. Okay.
Number one, our receivers, they're going to start getting open more because Hopkins is playing and then we're going to have Pacheco.
And there's a lot of things going on in Menahue. The defense is going to be better on the pass rush. Okay.
Two secondaries, very thin. The injury to Jalen Watson is bad. It hurt us a lot. He was very quietly becoming a premier cornerback. He was. Yeah.
Okay. So that right there, Cook and I forgot the other guy, they really can't handle it right now. McDuffie.
McDuffie is good, but he needs someone else on the other side. Yeah, he needs someone on the other side. Corner's always need somebody on the other side. Yeah.
Yeah. So Reed is good, but he's a safety. Okay. So that right there, Jalen Watson injury really hurt us considerably.
And it's not even mentioned that much. Yeah. And does it, does he Johnson is in as part of the rotation and he's getting Johnson was the other one. Yeah.
Johnson and Cook are getting picked on. Yeah. So they're going to have to Spagnola is really good at this.
Disguised blitzes to get the quarterback off of there and to where he can't throw that dime. Yeah. Like a young was doing. Yeah.
Bryce Young was throwing dimes because they're open. So now the good news is that she's with Patrick Mahomes lead off. That's a seemingly very close to being there, so it was.
The pass rush has improved greatly with some key additions. The next man up mentality is still strong. Yep. Jason Schrader. Yeah.
Awesome. Yeah. Comes in and makes the game winner and every point after that he was asked to do in every field goal. Yeah. He's asked to kick.
So I do expect decent play from the rest of the defense, including the trickery and in the disguised blitz packages that Spagnola was so good at. Yeah.
He's not doing it right now, but if we were playing Buffalo in the title game. Oh, yeah, we'd be doing it. Yeah. All right.
That's a hallmark of the Chiefs is they they don't show more than they need to to win the game. Usually. Yes. Because they're saving stuff for when they really need it.
There's something to be known like I'm the king and that's it. Yeah, they know we're the king and we'll eventually get back to it. So, you know, don't worry.
But I also know this one guy to pick in a shootout above anybody else. Even if I wasn't a Chiefs fan, I would have to pick Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Because it's almost like the rope a dope.
Hey, let's get down by 10 and then kick their ass. Yeah. Back in the 80s and 90s, it would have been Ben Elway. He was the king of the last minute drive. Yeah, he'd go down by 10. He'd go down by 14 like Mahomes.
Be like, I make it up in three minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyhow, I just thought that like the Jalen Watson stuff like that deserved to be mentioned. That's true. He was getting really good.
It was injuries have been injuries have been like have been particularly hard on the Chiefs this year. Well, that's what when they asked Bill Belichick, that's why I always reference that beginning of the year about a three pete in the Chiefs.
He said it's so hard to do. That's what he was referring to. Yeah, injuries and other things beyond your control. Yeah. But he said if there's a team that's going to do it, it's them.
So what he was saying is, is the coaching and the it factors there and the depth from the general manager finding players who can come in and be good enough for right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I agree with this assessment perfectly.
It's really hard to do. And quite possibly they could get to the big game and lose it too. That's true. So anyhow, go ahead. Yeah.
Next game Tampa Bay at the New York Giants and score was 30 to seven. We both got it correct. We thought it was going to be closer. Yeah, we did. Well, I thought well number one Jones, Daniel Jones is gone. Yeah.
He's requesting the trade. He's pissed off. He wants to just dumped him. Yeah, they just dumped him. Yeah. You know,
why? Their season's going nowhere and they don't have anyone behind him. Yeah. Why now? Probably because he was being a pain in the ass in the locker room. Oh, maybe so. Yeah. When the training facility and getting in everyone's ear. Yeah.
Didn't they fire somebody in the front office too? They did. Yeah. Not the head coach, but the general manager. The Jets fired their general manager. But I think the Giants had fired somebody. Like an assistant or something. I think they did.
But it's interesting. Both New York teams are in the shambles. Isn't it great? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Every time Chris Berman would smugly trot out his East Coast bias and then I think about yeah, New England, Jets, Giants. How are you feeling now, buddy?
Yeah. And then he was having Baltimore, but not so much now. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. And you know, Carolina's East Coast, Jacksonville's East Coast. Philly. Yeah, they're doing okay. Philly's doing okay. They're doing really good actually. Yeah.
I mean, they only lost two and their offense is back with Shaquan Barkley just going insane. Yeah, it's amazing. It is. He definitely didn't like it in Washington, New York very much, did he? No, he didn't. He's doing so much better here. He went to Philly, their rival, and said, fuck you and he's killing it.
Right. Last of the noontime games, Detroit at Indy. Detroit won 24-6. We thought it was going to be closer, but we both got it right. No. Indy kind of, didn't Indy get out to an early lead? Yes, they did. And then Detroit was like, no, that was it. Yeah.
Yeah, Detroit finally put the hammer down and that was it. Yeah. The margin wasn't as big as I thought it was going to be, but I think Detroit, I didn't get to watch all the game. It looked to me like they were being rather benign, just kind of, man, vanilla. Yeah.
Yeah. Hawaii exposed anything. Just win the game, but it doesn't mean anything beyond just a win. Yeah, they're taking a trick out of Andy Reid's playbook of just don't do anything. Just keep the lead. Save the good stuff for your division rivals. Yes.
Because they're going to have a little trouble with Green Bay in Minnesota. Yes. Yep. So Green Bay is really ascending. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but they just keep winning.
It's not because Jordan Love picked them up and put them on their back. No, no. It's the rest of the team. The defense is solid. They're just playing very well. They are, yeah.
All right. Well, that was the last of the noon games. All right. First of the three o'clock games, Denver at Las Vegas, 29-19 was the final score. We both got it right. You picked 32-27, a close game, and I picked 30-10, a real blowout. So they were kind of in the middle.
Yeah, they did well. They held up for a while, but about mid-third quarter you could tell who was the better team by far. Yeah. That's it. I mean, really nothing to report there, pretty much what we thought.
And I think Minshew is hurt and he's out again. Yeah. I mean, look, they're rivals and everything, but man, why talk about them? There is nothing to say about them.
Yeah, they're the best I think Vegas can hope for for the rest of the season is to spoil somebody's playoff chances. Us. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, this game.
All right. Arizona at Seattle, 16-6, Seattle was the final score. You picked Arizona 28-21, so that was one you missed. Yep.
You picked Seattle, didn't you? I did. And low scoring game, a weird score, 16-6. Yeah, it's one of those games where it's a betting nightmare. Yeah, it is. Yeah, you don't add up normally on those stuff.
Seattle had a long touchdown off of, I don't know what kind of play. I remember just seeing the highlight. There's a Seattle player running. Yeah, I forgot what play it was. Wasn't it like the double flea flicker or something like that? Yeah, something like that.
A pitch back and then the guy threw. Anyhow, go ahead. Without that, it would have been 9-6 final score. Yeah. So, not much of a game. No. Except for that one big play to kind of put it out of reach.
Arizona just couldn't seem to score that game. Everything was going sideways for them. Seattle wants that division. Yeah, yeah, I think they've been convinced. This is ours for the taking.
And they're right, it is. Yeah. Nobody's stepping up. San Francisco looks lifeless. The Rams are up and down. Yeah, the Rams aren't a very good team on any aspect really. Matthew Stafford is not having that great of a year. I mean, just everything.
Well, speaking of San Francisco, that's our next game. San Francisco at Green Bay. Green Bay won 38-10. Damn. I picked Green Bay 27-21. You picked San Francisco 28-21.
I don't know why I did because Brock Purdy is out. McCaffrey is out. Iook is out. Yeah, I didn't know Purdy was going to be out. I didn't either. That's why I picked him. I found out afterwards.
Yeah. I had no idea it was going to be such a blowout. No, I didn't either. San Francisco's got to be feeling like crap.
You know, I think that they're so dejected that they might lose most of their games from here on out. We'll see. Could be. Could be. Yeah.
As I forget who one player said, players go into self-preservation mode where they're like, you know, I'm not risking my health or my career for anything the rest of this year because we ain't going nowhere.
So I'm playing it safe and they're kind of mentally checking out. I could see San Francisco doing that. I could too. McCaffrey is McCaffrey. Whenever he's healthy, they're playing well.
Yeah. But the thing is, he is not healthy every other year if not more than that. He might not even be back next year. Yeah, he may not. I mean, I kind of think he won't, but we'll see.
Well. Yeah. All right. Sunday night game. Philly at the Rams. The Philly won 37-20. We both got that correct. Good.
I just can't really get excited about either one of those teams. I know Philly's doing pretty well. They're nine and two now. Yeah. Oh, nine and two, not eight and two. That's right. Yeah, they look good.
But I don't know. I just never really believe in Philly. Well, number one, I'm not a believer in Nick Sirianni. No. I think he'll do three things great and the fourth thing he does is just a destroyer.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see how long this whole thing lasts. Yeah. I don't know. Philly is such a volatile team. You get one component out of it and they just fall flat. Yeah. We'll see what happens.
And then the fan base gets real cannibalistic and starts tearing everything up from the inside. Oh, yeah. Philly fan already hates Sirianni. He did some stuff that kind of led to that too.
Well, yeah. He didn't help his own cause much. No. He went like, oh golly, where's all this hate coming from? It's like, Nick, you better hide out for a little bit.
Maybe it was when he used his little kid as a human shield during a press conference. That looked pretty bad. That went over like a lead bullet. Don't ask me any tough questions cause my little boy's right here.
You're gonna hurt his feelings if you call me a moron. Oh man, that was such a bad look for him. It was a horrible look. Anyway, okay, last game. Baltimore at the Chargers.
Baltimore won 30 to 23. I had it exactly opposite. I had the Chargers 30 to 24. You had Baltimore 28 to 27.
I just thought Baltimore was gonna gut it out because John Harbaugh has owned his little brother, Jim, ever since they've been coaching.
Yeah, I didn't take that into account. I didn't think about the head coach versus head coach, but I just figured the Chargers defense would win out, but not quite.
The Chargers are a good team and they're a nice story, and I think it probably ends right there.
So that's it. You missed five, I missed five. Yay for us. On we go.
Okay. You wanna go into some bullet points? I love me some bullet points. Oh, I do too. This is the best segment on earth. I'm gonna go ahead and say it. On earth. This is the best segment ever.
Solar system. The whole solar system. Yeah. That show they have on Europa ain't shit. No, it isn't. No, no, no. And that one Venus show? Nah, nah, nah. Nothing to us. It's all gimmicks. All that stuff was pre-recorded.
Okay. If Burrow does not leave the Bengals, should they still consider blowing up the team except for Burrow, Henderson, and Chase? Or maybe all the above, but Burrow, or maybe just Burrow?
Hmm. That's a good question. I think if Burrow's gonna stick around, no, I don't think you blow up the team. I think you do kind of the normal kind of revamping and retooling. And if you're gonna keep Burrow, then you might as well get his input on who he wants and how he wants the team to go.
Well, first off, they gotta drop some salary cap money, it appears. And they should involve Burrow in that. Say, look, here's what we got to spend because of your contract and his contract and his contract. So this is what we're left with and here's what everybody wants. So we can afford one or two.
Yeah. No, that's true. And they do need to do that. And also, how long until Jamar Chase wants to go to a team that's better equipped to have him?
Oh, yeah. I imagine, I mean, I can definitely see these players who are at the top of their game, who are just excellent players, very rarely do they want to spend their whole career on a losing team.
Yeah. Well, Jamar wants to ring without a doubt. That's why he hates Mahomes so much.
Yeah. I think, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamar agitating for a trade this offseason. Definitely next if they don't win next year.
Yeah. I don't think he'd succumb to the Chiefs, but he might succumb to Philly. He might succumb to the Bills. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Find a team that's on their way up and needs to go somewhere and has got a decent realistic chance.
I could even see him going to San Fran.
Yeah. I was thinking about San Francisco being another possibility.
Yeah. So, anyhow, yeah, he's going to want to go to a top-tier team that has been proven that they have what it takes to maybe reach the promised land. But we'll see.
A team like Carolina will get a receiver that's been a backup and wants to be a starter.
Because you go to a bad team, you've got a much better chance of being a starter.
Yes. Well, we'll see. I mean, a lot is going to happen in the offseason. It's so unpredictable.
All right. Should the Bengals, if they keep Zach Taylor, force the resignation of the defensive and special teams coordinators?
Yeah. Absolutely.
Those two in tandem, I don't know how many games they just kind of just pissed off.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering, did Zach Taylor choose them or were they were kind of suggested by the general manager or how much control did Zach Taylor have in hiring them?
One would think, well, Zach Taylor was an unknown.
So it's very possible they said, you're going to work with these people.
Yeah. That's how I would expect it to go with a younger or less experienced head coach. The general manager would pick a staff for him.
Yeah. If you're an Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin or something like that, no.
No, you need to pick your own.
No. They're like, you figure out who you want and we'll go get them.
Yeah. So that would work out in Zach Taylor's favor because he's not responsible for those guys and putting them in that position. So that stain isn't on him. He could keep his job while they go.
I agree. I agree.
Okay. Next one. Tom Brady and his whole career of 23 seasons. When Tom Brady threw for 300 yards and three touchdowns in a game, he only lost two games.
Yeah. And this is out of how many seasons? 23 seasons.
And usually you throw 300 yards and three touchdowns because you're coming back from a deficit. But I guess he was in a lot of those games because the Patriots weren't always a team that would get out to an early lead in coast. They were fighting the whole way and he'd bring them back.
Yeah. It's kind of like the Chiefs, how they do things. It's kind of like nothing, nothing, nothing. Oh shit.
Yeah. At a certain point recently, the Chargers had never lost a game when they scored more than a certain number of points.
28 points and that's been thrown out the window now here in the last few games.
But it was an interesting stat while it was there.
So, okay. Burrow has three games of 300 plus yards with three touchdowns this year. He lost all three games.
Mm. Mm. Mm.
I think it says that he's not enough. And it's not a slam on him. It's the rest of the team.
No. It's the rest of the team is letting him down.
Yeah. If he's responsible for 300 yards and three touchdowns is 18 points because the field goal kicker gets the other three.
So if he gets you 300 yards and 18 points, you should win the game.
Unless he's got a bunch of picks. But yeah. Wow. That's an indictment of the rest of the team I think.
It really is. I agree 100%. That right there says that inept with five inept people. One person that is good.
Really good and then the rest aren't that good.
And it doesn't have to be every team having that one guy who can take everyone on his back and push you through.
It's perfectly acceptable to have a quarterback that excels when he's on a good team.
That's perfectly viable and you can get a Super Bowl that way.
Yeah. It has been done. It's easier when someone takes you on your back like a Mahomes or somebody.
But you also need those key components that can help you. You need that Travis Kelce to get open or that Deandre Hopkins or that Rashi Rice or someone to find that spot to get you back in the game.
And it just makes more sense to never get into that position where your quarterback is it. You have to rely on your quarterback performing.
Just don't get into that position by having enough good players everywhere else. Why wouldn't you do it that way?
The whole thing that you just need from Mahomes is that one miraculous drive.
So, alright. I don't know if you heard the scuttlebutt again but there's scuttlebutt again about this.
Once again complaints about home teams crowd are being scrutinized. The high noise level is the most common complaint.
Is this just how it is and that's why teams fight so hard for home field advantage or should the NFL consider looking into changes?
I say that's why you fight for home field advantage. Absolutely. I remember when the NFL tried to control crowd noise.
It didn't work. It didn't work at all. It just made everyone scream louder.
What was it? The 80s? The 90s? They would actually have the referee stop the game and tell the crowd to quiet down.
Arrowhead Stadium at least three times a game. Derrick Thomas would come up with a key sack or Neal Smith or something.
An interception from Albert Lewis or something and that crowd would just go ballistic.
Yeah and it is definitely part of the game. It's something the audience and the crowd can get involved in and be happy about.
Well they used to have louder. You know you're the 13th man. I don't know if they still do it but it used to be like louder, louder, louder.
They've gotten away from that so it makes it seem like the NFL is preparing to try to do something about the noise.
I'm pretty sure the NFL is the one that told them don't do it anymore.
Yeah. I think that's a mistake. If you start telling the home team crowd that they can't get so excited.
They're going to get more excited. They're going to quit coming.
Well I mean I remember a key play. I can't remember what team it was against but the crowd was so juiced.
The other quarterback went over there and he started pointing going I cannot hear anything.
And the referees came out there and I think you probably remembered it too. It was a Monday night game.
And the two of you were starting to take the lead. The defense just got some sacks. It's fumbled.
And I think it just got a big sack and he's like back like it was like third and 30.
Yeah. And the quarterback goes over there and he walks off the field doing this and I thought oh that's a penalty.
But instead the referee came out there waved his arms and said shut up.
Yep. And eventually they started calling delay of game on the home team because of the crowd.
Yeah and I mean to me it was bullshit because you walked off the field during a play.
Yeah. That should have been a penalty. But instead they sided on his side and saying the crowd needed it.
But that hasn't happened in a long time. Yeah. Well the other day it was just this past weekend.
There was a team that was lined up to run a play and the half was about to run out.
It was the first half and it was about to run out. So he stood around and tried to get them to jump off sides.
And they didn't. So with about four or five seconds left before the half ran out the entire offense just stood up and started walking off the field.
That's a false start. But they didn't call it. They went oh well half's over who cares. Yeah.
So all you have to do is watch the game and you see that they pick and choose when they're going to enforce the rules.
I remember that too. They're just kind of like. Based on how they feel at the moment.
So I've stopped even worrying about the calls they don't make or the ones they fudge.
What NFL game we looked at each other and we said hey they still have three seconds left. Everyone walked off the field.
Yeah. Yeah. They kicked a field goal with six seconds left. Yeah. And the ball went through the goal post and out the back of the end zone and there were still three seconds on the clock.
Was that the Denver game? I think it was a Chiefs game.
No. Chiefs against Denver. Yeah. That's right. That's right.
And they let those last three seconds run off because it was just going to be inconvenient to go have a kickoff.
Yeah. They blocked it. OK. And then everyone's going crazy. And I remember looking up and seeing three seconds left.
I go well and I remember telling them they could run it back all the way and win.
But instead they just went to halftime. Yeah.
The rules are really fluid. Yeah. And they can be because they're under no legal obligation to follow their own rules. Yeah. They never have been.
Yeah. And actually you're right. It wasn't the blocked punt, the blocked field goal. It was something about a punt return and there's like three seconds left and it's just like OK and they let it run off.
Yeah. So just another way that they manipulate and influence the game to make it. There's something in it for them. Yes.
It's like the advertisers want their commercials running and it's almost halftime. They don't want to wait. That's the key right there. Just go ahead and do it now.
Commercials. Yeah. Commercials are running. They're fine. Yeah. OK. If you took Caleb Williams and put him with a quarterback mentor, coach, such as Reid or Tomlin or maybe a Shanahan,
would he be a dynamic player? Yeah. Would he be a top notch? I agree. I think he would. Yeah. I think he's got all the talent, the skills. I think he's got the intelligence and the perception.
He needs that mindset and he also needs to learn the defenses and the plays. Yeah. There's some discipline that he needs to learn, the discipline, the way he thinks and acts during pressure game moments.
Yeah. And there's probably some things he needs to pay more attention to that he's already been pulling. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think Caleb Williams has everything to be an awesome quarterback if he gets the right people around him.
I agree. Yeah. And I'd love to see that. I would too. I would love to see him just become a huge force in the NFL. Oh, he can be a beast if he wants to. Yeah. That's what I love.
The upside, the potential, the hey, watch this. Yeah. And you know, with awesome quarterbacks like that, it makes it less likely the NFL is going to throw in some more rule changes to make the offense easier. Yeah.
Because as soon as the scores start dropping, the NFL is going to change rules and the game is going to change to make it easier to score again. But I'd rather just have really good quarterbacks who can do it with the existing rules.
Same here. Yeah. I agree. All right. Next one. The scuttlebutt again, and there's a lot of scuttlebutt this week. Everyone's scuttlebutting about something. In the NFL, is Matt Nagy again is being looked at as a head coach.
Should the Chiefs be concerned? I don't think so. I think the guy under him, the apprentice, will go in there and do just fine. Where did BNB come from? Where did Nagy come from? The coaching tree. Yeah.
You know, this guy's coming up behind you. Maybe he's a quarterback's coach. He understands all the offense, whoever he is. Come on up. Your turn.
Yeah. And that's kind of the Chiefs organization is they don't get in the way of anybody advancing their career. They're like, you've got a chance to go somewhere and be, you know, more? Go ahead. We weren't going to stop you.
Yeah. That's why the Chiefs tend to have people lower in the staff who can step up. Yeah. It really seems like now instead of the Jets getting Deion Sanders next season to head coach, it seems like Deion Sanders is more leaning towards Dallas.
I know. Yes. And that's where he lives too. Yeah. So I could see Matt Nagy getting an interview in New York to be a Jets head coach.
Yeah. I mean, I think he still has that huge mansion in Prosper, Texas. The reason I know this so well is he put in a bunch of money at the Prosper High School. The Prosper High School. I remember that. Yeah.
And we did the, I did a lot of the panels and glass and stuff that goes in there. I mean, that place had 10 restaurants in it.
Well, in Texas, high school football is a religion unto itself. Oh, it had an indoor stadium and outdoor stadium. Yeah. So when it's too hot, they played indoors. But the whole thing is him, Jerry Jones, the Bushes, they all put in all this money, is built at like 18% capacity.
But the whole thing I was going to is this right here is a mile from Deion's mansion. So I think he probably still lives there. If he lives there, then yeah, you know what? I think he would love to go to Dallas. And not only that, he played for him. And he would love to turn. He would love to be the guy that turns him around. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And also, I think even Jerry Jones might take a step back. Yeah, I think he would be willing to trust Deion Sanders as a coach more than you trust anybody else. Yeah, because they had such a good relationship when he was playing in Dallas. Yeah. So I think that would be a great thing. I think it's a smart, really smart choice. If nothing else, it's going to make the Dallas Cowboys fan base believe again. Exactly.
It'll bring all the the part timers back out of the woodwork. Yeah. Yeah. I can see Deion being the hot interview in the offseason because if the NFL still cares about the Rooney rule. No, I was going to say that because yeah, he's going to be the African American that they all have to interview. Yeah, only this time they're not secretly going to think well, we're going to turn him down.
Anyhow, they're going to think we might hire this guy. Yeah, yeah. If you're not familiar with the Rooney rule, Art Rooney, the former owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers petitioned the NFL to make a rule that a person of color needs to be seriously interviewed for every head coach or coordinator position in the NFL, instead of just picking the next white guy and hiring him. Yes.
And for a while, the NFL took it very seriously. But lately, they're not anymore because I remember last season, like part way through the season, they'd already identified this is going to be the next head coach of that team. And it was a white guy. Yeah, no, I know. And sure enough, he went right in. It's like, where's the Rooney rule?
I think because there's four or five African American head coaches are not worried about it anymore. I think so. I think it's now just something that it's looked over. It was convenient at the time exactly. And it was sexy or people of color to view the NFL as a better place. Yeah, but now it's getting the way of business. So they ignore it until somebody forces the issue. It's not sexy anymore either. Oh, well, we got some in there. Okay, you know, that's what most people like. Yeah, look, look, there's five of them there. Yeah, but yeah, Deon Sanders is the head coach.
Yeah, Deon Sanders is a credible hire for head coach anywhere. Yeah, so every team will try to interview them to satisfy the Rooney rule and then go hire whoever they had in mind.
Except Pittsburgh and Kansas City. Yeah.
Okay, next one. Should a stadium with horrible field conditions be liable for lawsuits if a player received a horrible field related injury?
Yep, I always thought that.
The NFL Players Union needs to get that into the next contract is that the person responsible for the stadium, not the owner of the stadium, because like the chiefs don't own Arrowhead.
The county does, but the chiefs are responsible for it.
So whoever is responsible for the field conditions is liable for injuries caused by the field conditions.
Except for Mother Nature.
If you have a monsoon right before, there's only so much they can do.
But if you've got, you know, horrible swampy grass and clumps of turf lifting and all that.
When it should have been a beautiful field.
Then yeah, I think liability should be there.
I mean, it's everywhere else for on the job injuries. Why not the NFL?
Well, and also it forces the entities to do it.
And they're like, well, we better make this field a little bit better because if someone gets hurt, we're going to be paying, you know, their bills and all their, you know, their contract money and all that.
So.
Yeah, we're both on board with that.
Especially since that's just a way the teams try to save money.
Which is a pretty rotten thing to do is compromise the players safety.
It pisses me off too.
It's like your prize quarterback.
Like, let's say the chiefs are doing that, which they don't.
You never see arrowhead stadium.
You never see a bad field condition there ever.
Okay.
If Patrick Mahomes got hurt because they had a tractor pull there.
Yeah.
And they had a weird seam in the turf that you wouldn't camp down.
Yeah.
Or a hole opened up or something.
Yeah.
You think there'd be invested interest in protecting their investments.
Yeah.
So, oh well.
Well, I think it's true.
You think that's a good idea too.
Oh yeah.
Alright.
If you were the commissioner in the NFL.
Mm hmm.
What would be the first rule that you changed?
Wow.
I love this question.
Yeah.
There's so many ways you can go.
Live your best life.
I've got one right now.
I guess the first one I'd probably change would be delay of game.
I love that.
I think delay of game by the offense should be five yards and loss of down.
Okay.
And that way no one goes for it and tries to draw the other team off on fourth down.
Okay.
Which is just a crap play when it's fourth or three and you're wasting everybody's time
trying to get the team to jump.
And if teams are punting from an unfavorable area,
they'll intentionally take a delay of game to back up and be able to punt better
and keep it out of the end zone.
So any time a team can benefit from committing a penalty,
I think a change needs to be made.
I agree.
Oh, I thought of a better one.
The offsetting penalties.
Oh yeah.
I hate that.
Okay.
I think the greater penalty rules.
So if you get an unsportsmanlike and a holding,
unsportsmanlike's enforced, the holding is not.
Yeah.
It's so unsatisfying to tell the player, everyone,
well, because both sides committed a penalty,
we're just going to pretend nothing ever happened.
I hate that.
That everybody gets away with it.
Give them each their penalty and wherever the ball is, the ball is.
Yeah.
And you know how much the fans scream about tie games, they hate tie games?
Uh-huh.
Well, that's what an offsetting penalty is.
It's a tie.
It sucks.
It's like, well, they both screwed up, so we're just going to act like that didn't happen.
You do over.
How many teams got ripped off over that too?
I would say enforce the first penalty from the spot of that foul,
whichever one occurred first, and then enforce the second penalty from that spot.
That's what I say.
So you gain five yards on an unsportsmanlike and a holding combo.
Yeah.
And even if it turns out that you're right back where you started, both penalties count.
Yes.
And so the team has, both teams have another penalty on their records.
But pretending it never happened is a really bad idea.
It's ridiculous to do that.
Yeah.
It's a dry hump.
A dry jack.
Yes.
No spit.
No spit on that hand.
No sir.
Okay.
I was thinking of something like this.
Late in the season, a team needs a certain player really bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, there is a team not doing very well that has that player.
But it's past the deadline.
Do you think under special circumstances and given up certain things, like, okay,
let's say that you have a really good cornerback, but you need a really good receiver.
You have plenty of cornerbacks that are really good.
You think they can toe the line.
You have to give up that top, he has to be top five, PFF rated.
Okay.
You give up that top five player to get the player you want plus two draft picks.
Wow.
Now, wouldn't that make it really interesting?
Yeah.
Make the condition that it has to be like in the final three weeks of the season.
Yes.
And it has to be a trade between a team with a winning record and a team with a losing record.
Yes.
One that is not going to be in the playoffs is going to get a top draft pick.
That way you don't have a team sabotaging themselves.
Exactly.
Out of a playoff position.
They're like, hey, look, yes.
I like that.
I do too.
Yeah, last second and you can do one.
You can do one, that's it.
Just like challenges and all that.
You only have a certain amount, you can only do one.
And let's say that, let's think of someone going down on the Chiefs like the quarterback,
Jalen Watson.
Yeah.
And you're spotting a really good quarterback on Carolina.
Yeah.
You're like, we want that guy.
Then the Chiefs have the option in the last three weeks to go, hey, would you be interested
in trading this guy for this guy right here?
Yeah, maybe we're flush on linebackers or pass rushers and it's like, hey, we can give
up one of those.
Actually, we probably could give up a really good top five linebacker and get a quarterback.
It would at least even the defense out.
That makes sense for the league too because it brings excitement and uncertainty back
in and right at the end.
So the team that you thought wasn't maybe going to make it is like, whoa, all of a sudden
they're a front runner because look who they picked up.
Yeah, like all of a sudden you're laughing at Buffalo because their big bad offensive
lineman just went down with knee injuries the rest of the year like, oh boy, they're
fucked.
Well, maybe not.
Would you put any position restrictions like no quarterbacks?
Yes, yes.
Okay, I think so too, no quarterbacks.
Nope, nope, you can't go down that top here.
If your quarterback goes down, then it's on you to have a good backup or a backup to the
backup.
Yeah, Kirk Cousins would change hands really quick, wouldn't he?
Yes, he would.
I like that question.
I like that too.
Okay, so those are two that we would do and I'll even go as far as this.
Let's write down some rule changes, what ifs.
Yeah.
And maybe present them on the next podcast, on the next Sports Bastards.
Yeah, I'll write that down.
Okay, I like that idea too.
Okay, again, I asked this before in a different context, so it's going to sound the same,
but the answer is going to be a little bit different according to this question.
Again, if you were commissioner of the NFL, what would you do about horrible team owners,
not just horrible teams, but the owners, the people that are letting it happen?
I would say I would bring financial pressures to bear.
That's one.
And don't talk about how you're letting the fans down or anything like that stuff
because the owners are beyond that.
Instead say, we have shared revenue in this league and you're falling down on your end of the bargain.
You're not making enough money for us to share in, so you need to quit your bad decisions
and start making better choices or the league will appoint a guardian for your choice,
like a legal guardian or a medical proxy or something, a league proxy,
who will sit in on everything and approve every decision.
Who's that guy? Oh, that's Elmo. What's he do? Oh, he's my guardian.
Just put an NFL league office mole into their organization to oversee every decision
until they turn around and start becoming profitable again.
Oh my God, I love that. How annoying would that be?
Yeah, and for an NFL owner to have somebody come in and say,
oh, it's your team, but we're going to tell you how to run it. Oh, they would hate that.
That would guard against it. No one would ever be flush in the tank again.
I got one. Bareback ass paddling.
I like that. Yeah, I do too.
At the 50 yard line.
At the 50 yard line. Jerry Jones is out there with his wrinkly white ass.
They would definitely have to distribute barf bags in advance to that.
Well, they give everybody a 15 minute window. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they could go to the concession stand and not see it. Yeah.
They promise to never replay it. Yeah.
And then when it's done, you'll see everywhere on the TV screens applause.
That's it?
I like what you said. I think that that is probably a good answer.
A guardian. Yeah. I mean, think of it as corporate is going to your local McDonald's franchise
to figure out why you're not turning a profit and they put someone in there to fix your franchise.
That happens in business and the NFL can certainly do that with one of their franchises.
The teams are just franchises.
So the little corporate office can go in there and tell them what they're doing wrong and make them change it.
I've got a live question for you. Yeah.
Okay. McRibs are back and they're offering the sauce, a half gallon sauce jar online.
You could buy a half gallon of McRibs sauce. Not that I'm that crazy about it, but wouldn't that be great as a novelty?
Should I buy one just for my man cave? I would say, yeah. I think so, too.
Yeah, I think it if nothing else from a historic and ironic perspective. Yes.
Like, look what I'm collecting. McRib sauce. No one else has this in their man cave, but I do.
And I love the origin story of the McRib. Remember that? Oh, yeah.
There was a shortage of chicken and chicken nuggets. So they had to come up with something to,
because they didn't want to turn away customers, oh, we're out of chicken nuggets.
Instead, they came up with something that could supplement and be in place of the chicken nuggets.
We just bought three big, three billion pig asses from a local farmer. Yes. What can we do with them?
Yeah. Yeah. And the McRib is taken from, you know, pork scraps. Yeah.
And then they're pressed together into the shape of whatever it is you're eating.
That's how come there's no bones in it. Yeah. And that's why, I mean, it's a random assortment of pig meat in every one of those.
There's no rib about it. That's why they call it McRib, because that's not a real world.
It's from 10,000 pigs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
OK, so I'll buy the sauce later on today. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm trying to find a discreet way to have it shipped to the house. Yeah.
You know, I wish they did like phony gifts. OK, like it's a double gift.
Like you have two compartments. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The gift for Val is on top and the gift for me is on the bottom that she can't see.
Oh, I just thought you deserve something. And then while she's in there trying it on, I take my McRib sauce and put it in my fucking man cap.
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. A gift with a false bottom. And I'm safe. She doesn't listen to my filth.
Oh, yeah. So there you go.
OK, finally, if you were commissioner of the NFL, what would you outlaw?
Oh, no, no, no. Hang on. Sorry. That was the old question. OK. And I should have scratched out.
Finally, if you were commissioner of the NFL, would you outlaw horrible throwback jerseys? Yes. Me too.
Oh, my God. Some of those are so ugly. Why punish the fans? Because they're trying to sell more jerseys.
Oh, I know. And really, who buys those and those awful, awful throwback jerseys? Yeah.
Do they sell enough to really make it worthwhile? I don't think so.
Well, we'll have to watch and see if that fad fades out. Yeah.
You know, remember a few years back, every team was doing the color rush version on Thursday Night Football. Yeah, that's right.
That was like a requirement by the league is on Thursday night, you have to do a color rush.
Now it's just kind of up to the team again, and most of them aren't doing it because they don't care.
I agree. Yeah. No, you're right. I would outlaw it too. And just because it's just a waste of effort and space and everything.
I mean, imagine you're the quarterback and every week your receivers that you're trying to pick out downfield
are wearing a different color helmet, a different color jersey and a different design on this.
You're like, you're trying to I mean, Jordan Love wants to look up and see a green and yellow helmet and throw at it. Yeah.
He doesn't want to say, OK, well, this is our alternate helmet. And then he gets that. Yeah.
It's the quarterbacks have to hate it. You know what?
The last place the last place team should be forced to wear is it USC that has Wolverines? No, no, no.
The weird stripes, the blue and yellow stripes. Yes. The Michigan Wolverines have blue and yellow on their helmets.
Yeah. Yeah. They would be have to be forced to wear those helmets all year. They're kind of like dunce caps.
Denver Broncos have an alternate uniform that makes them really look like the Hamburglar. Yeah, they do. Yeah.
Instead of but it's brown and white instead of black and white. I mean, they even have striped socks.
Yeah. Vertical, vertical striped socks or the Steelers.
Oh, yeah. Some of the Steelers alternate jerseys are just garbage. Oh, gosh. Yeah.
It's like it's like they got it out of a thrift store or something.
Seriously, this is your football jersey. Oh, yeah.
I like what you said about the Packers throwback jersey, about it being they're looking like a bunch of sperm and gum sticks.
Oh, man. All right. And I got a little article here. Yeah.
That I read that was interesting. They were interviewing John Madden.
Of course, he was famously the coach of the Raiders and also a TV commentator for many years.
I was trying to remember his co-host. That was Pat Sumerall. Pat Sumerall. Yeah. Yeah.
And they were the yin and yang because Sumerall was boring. Yeah.
And John Madden would say anything because he didn't really he wasn't he wasn't a TV guy by any means.
And then we come to find out that half the time for the first half of his career, Pat Sumerall was drunk off his ass.
I know. That's probably why he was so boring. He was trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
He's like, oh, my God, I heard I'm just going to I'm just going to be factual. Fuck this.
I'm not putting any personality into it. I'm glad he sobered up. I am, too. Yeah.
I found an old video, John Madden. He was on David Letterman. Oh, cool.
John had a story about when the Chiefs were visiting Oakland to play the Raiders.
That's back when they're at Oakland. The day before an exterminator was called to get rid of a huge rat problem in the visiting locker room.
John said he found out about the exterminator.
And and anyhow, he went to the exterminator exterminator.
He said, I want you to feed the rats until two to two days from now after the chiefs play.
And then and then they had him taken care of, but he wanted the rats in there for the chiefs.
So the day of the game, he went to Hank Stram and the chiefs side locker room.
And he told him that there was a large, large rat issue and they're trying to get rid of it and they're working on it.
And he just wanted to see the players jump and look around. And they did.
He said he said he's looking all over the players are all squirming and looking at the floor and stuff.
And he thought that was funny as hell. He said, yeah, I told him to feed the rats for two days and then get rid of them.
I think it was the Raiders. But there was there was definitely one at least one team that painted the visiting locker room hot pink.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was a Raiders in Oakland.
Yeah. So you get there and you know, at the time, most most people hated the color hot pink.
You know what I would have done? What?
I would have hired a painter when I was in the locker room to paint it.
I think Buffalo or spray paint penises all over. Yeah, really.
OK, I think Buffalo used to turn off the hot water. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right. So just deny the visiting team hot water for the whole game.
Who were they playing in the Super Bowl?
They weren't playing in Buffalo, but he was asked about it.
He says, cold showers make you angry. I was wishing they'd turn off the water.
OK, there you go. Make my day. Yeah, go ahead. Turn off that cold water.
No one's going to be looking at my penis anyhow.
I don't think. Yeah. Yeah. No rhythmic slapping in here.
Oh, I went there. Oh, Google it.
Anyhow, well, they'll never find it buried in the podcast to edit it out.
Yeah, that's right.
Anymore, I leave the bullshit. Oh, why not? Yeah, it's like makes us different.
Yeah, it's like, man, I think someone picked their nose on this table.
You know, we're talking about it and then we just leave it.
Is that a booger? Oh, God. Yeah, it looks like snot.
All that stuff stays in.
We leave in all the bodily function noises. Why not?
I got to piss really bad. Hang on.
Well, I had a bullet point about football. Oh, go ahead.
The Jets and Aaron Rodgers, it's pretty much everyone's just expecting them to part ways after the season.
I'm trying to think of where Aaron Rodgers is going to go if anybody even wants it.
Do you think Aaron Rodgers could? Indianapolis. Oh, yeah, Indy could work.
Atlanta. No, they signed. He's like, what, forty one years old?
I'm looking at a team dumb enough to hire him. They can get the old Rodgers.
But maybe not a team that thinks they've got a chance for a Super Bowl next year.
Yeah, but they just want to bring butts and seats. Yeah.
So I can see maybe the Raiders. The Raiders, Indian Crapple is.
But you know, he's not going to be a mentor to whoever you got. So that's out the window.
He could go to Mini Crapple as to. Yeah.
I mean, even though Darnold's playing good, I mean, he's still Sam Darnold.
And at some point you're going to see Sam Darnold. Yeah.
But, you know, I think Aaron Rodgers is only going to go somewhere where he feels guaranteed he's the starter.
They start letting people in here. Fuck. I had to pay for parking.
Yeah, they had this. They had the parking blocked off at first.
But I guess at a certain point they figured the event started and everyone's parked.
So then they opened this up again. I have to remember that.
All right. I have some what ifs, but we can get to it on the second podcast.
OK. Did you get any what ifs or not?
Yeah. OK.
Do we want to do them on the second one or the first one?
We're only an hour and fifteen in. We can do it here. OK.
OK. What ifs? OK.
The Bears had drafted Mahomes instead of Mitch Drabisky.
That is so funny. I have what if Mahomes is drafted by Carolina.
I picked the Bears specifically because. Because they picked Drabisky over Mahomes.
Yeah. And because Chicago is the graveyard for quarterbacks.
Andy Reid would have picked up Mahomes after three years and now he would have been winning Super Bowls.
That's what would have happened.
But he wouldn't nearly be the player he is now if he had to endure a rookie contract in Chicago.
No. I think Chicago would have ruined Patrick Mahomes and seriously jeopardized his Hall of Fame status.
I agree. But he would end up in the hands of somebody good.
Yeah. Like Andy Reid or Tomlin or somebody would have seen the talent and said, I can do something with that guy.
Yeah. And put him in a win organization. Yes.
Are we both on par with that? We both say that's it. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. It would have taken three or four years. But Mahomes would have ended up in capable hands.
But like you said, he wouldn't be the guy he is today. But I think they could take him to a caliber level of.
He'd still be an awesome starting quarterback. Yeah. But he just wouldn't be quite the same.
Yeah. He needed an Alex Smith to show him all this stuff the first year and to watch behind him.
Yeah. It really seemed like just the perfect situation for him here in KC. Oh, yeah. It was.
Yeah. And there's still the big argument. And I'm against this, though. But I want to hear your point.
People wanted to put Mahomes in that playoff game that Alex Smith lost while he was on the sideline.
They wanted to put him in there then. I said they probably wouldn't have wanted all that year anyhow.
Yeah. So why would they take risk hurting the guy in case he was getting sacked mentally and all that?
And put him in a situation where there's enormous pressure and he loses? Yeah. Yeah. I think that.
No. I think that people say that are idiots myself. But that was a scuttlebutt.
People were saying that for years. We would have had another one if they would have put him in. No.
We were playing something. I forgot who. It might even have been Tom Brady. Maybe so.
In New England. So I don't know. Anyhow. Well, that one kind of leads to my next what if. OK.
What if players drafted by a team were required to play their rookie contract with that team, no trades?
OK. So Elway would have been a Baltimore Colt. And Eli Manning would have been a San Diego Charger.
Steve Young would have been a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
Bo Jackson would have had to play for Tampa Bay instead of signing with the Raiders of the year later.
That's another one too. Yeah. Imagine that. You get drafted. If you want to play in the NFL, you have to play that rookie contract where they drafted you. No trades. No nothing.
On the grounds of fairness, I say yeah. Yeah, I would like to see that because it would make teams a lot more careful about who they drafted.
And you wouldn't get. I mean, it was really a bad scene when San Diego drafted Eli Manning.
And he immediately said, no, I'm not playing for San Diego. Daddy says I should hold out for New York. Yeah, that's right.
It just became a real shit show where the Manning family was holding the NFL hostage saying, if you don't give us what we want, he just won't play. Yeah. Yeah.
And that was awful. It was. It was ugly. I guess if you're a Giants fan, you loved it. But the rest of the country hated it.
In the name of fairness, they should enforce that rule all the time because they don't do it now.
But I could see a scenario where every player is going to go to a winning team that's capable of winning the Super Bowl.
They're going, I'm not waiting. I could get I could get injured next year. So I'm going to go to this team and they hold out.
And under this system, if the player wanted to hold out, it would be for the length of the rookie contract.
It's usually four years. Four years ahead. You want to hold out from the NFL for four years and then hope somebody still wants you? Go right ahead.
Yeah, I think the NFL doesn't owe anybody a position. They don't. No, I agree. They don't owe anyone a job.
I like that question a lot because I've always hated the holdouters. Yeah. I always hated that.
It's like, no, go to that team because your job is to make that team a winner. Yeah. That's your job.
And the whole rookie contract structuring was designed to end the holdouts. There's still a little bit of that, but not so much.
But not so much. And I never hear about teams trading draft picks before the training camp starts anymore.
So maybe they already took care of that. But I was thinking one of them had always been that way. I don't know. That would have been awesome.
Oh, by the way, playoffs. Playoffs. Yeah. OK. I mean, that's a good question. I like that one. I have two more.
OK. If you had any. No, I have some, but go ahead with yours. What if the NFL had never voted in instant replay?
Boy, there's a lot of games that would have been lost that should have been won. So much would have been different.
And imagine how frustrated the fans would have felt, especially now that they can bet on the games and they just ignore the bad calls and say,
Too bad. We don't have replay. I don't think the NFL would be where it is without replay. No, it would not. They had to put it in.
And it's a good look for the NFL when they get it right. Yeah, it really is. Just like the game, the first, no, yeah, yeah.
The first game of the season where likely's foot was out of bounds. Yep. That would have never happened if they didn't have replay.
They would have won that game. Yeah. Yeah. It would have changed a lot. Yeah.
But I think if they hadn't ever voted it in by this point, it would have to come in. They would have had to.
They would have had to. Yeah. There's been so much uproar about it. Imagine teams that go on the Internet and look and go that we won that game.
There would be like there are still coaches that send in a video of a play to the league office and say we got screwed on this play.
They got it wrong. I want the league to review it and issue a ruling.
What was the play that Carl Peterson made the NFL apologize for?
But it didn't work out for us because then after that we're getting penalties left and right.
Yeah, we got punished. We got punished. Yeah.
Carl Peterson rubbed the league office nose in it. So they punished us by letting other teams do whatever they want and not calling it.
Yeah. Yeah. That happened all year. Utter hawks on the Kansas City Chiefs.
So if anyone really still believes that the officials are being paid off by the chiefs to do this, hey, we had it the other way for a long time.
And also if you look at the most points taken back by penalties, the chiefs are number one still.
Yeah. So there you go.
And it really doesn't make sense for the officials to be bribed by any one team. If anything, they're told what to do by the league office.
Exactly. And the teams don't have a lot of say in it. No.
If the league office has decided that the chiefs are going to get a lot of breaks from the officials this year, that's not our fault.
But we're certainly going to take advantage of it.
Hell yeah. Yeah.
So I'm sure it's happening that the officials are making the wrong calls intentionally, but I don't think the chiefs are responsible.
No. They wouldn't do it for just the chiefs.
No, there's not a concerted effort to prop the chiefs up with it.
No. No.
All right. And the last one I had is what if NFL teams and their owners were required to rent to own their stadiums?
So the longer you stay there, the more equity you have in it and the harder it is to relocate.
I love it. Yes, I love that.
The chiefs and the Royals by now would own those stadiums. And any talk of relocating would mean just walking away from that investment.
That would help our situation here, wouldn't it?
It's great for the team. I mean, it's great for the fans, great for the cities, and it makes the teams honor their commitments.
What's wrong with that?
Here's one thing that I love, though, about the situation we're in now.
You're right, and I think that should be enacted, but it's not going to.
No.
They just don't do it like that. But the Royals stadium moving to Johnson County is an optimal idea.
There's more money there. There's more opportunity there. More fans there.
At least more fans that attend the games.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry, I'm not playing football.
No, no, no. My knee was hurt and I kept moving my foot around.
Oh, my left knee is swollen like crazy today. It's awful.
I think it's the weather, the storm front that's trying to come in.
Yeah, what is it? It's supposed to be raining by now, but it isn't yet.
Yeah, we'll see.
Oh, okay. There's more opportunity in Johnson County, and people don't care as much about the Kansas-Missouri on the Royals.
No.
The one they care about is Arrowhead, and whether that has a KS or an MO behind it.
Yes, yeah.
That is the real battle right there, because someone is going to get them.
And the problem with Kansas City is our basic root problems are not going away like crime.
And there's a lot of pushback and blowback from that, because people are saying before, and I'm saying this too.
Oh, yeah.
Before you can give any money to anything else, help solve this crime issue.
Yeah.
Until we feel safe in this community, nothing is anything, nothing's sacred.
Yeah, I would prioritize law enforcement and education and fixing the roads before I would spend a penny on another stadium.
Yeah, and if you don't have the money, so be it. Let Johnson County have it. Or Wyandotte even.
I remember civic leaders saying, well, if we don't have the team, then we lose millions of dollars in revenue.
Well, you're done with it anyhow, asshole.
Uh-huh. And if you fix the roads and the schools and make the crime less, then you'll attract more attractions, won't you?
Yes.
Yeah, so that's just a lie to distract us.
Yeah, it's just bullshit.
One problem with the Chiefs moving to Johnson County is they wouldn't be in Kansas City anymore.
It would be Overland Park.
Yeah, so they could either change the name, but if they kept the name as Kansas City Chiefs and identified as being in Kansas, everyone would call them the Kansas City Kansas Chiefs.
Yes.
And the people in Johnson County would hate having Wyandotte County claim ownership of the team.
That's why I think Johnson County might get both of them.
Yeah.
Um, yeah. Damn it, I was going to say something and it escaped me.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, okay, okay. East Rutherford, New Jersey is where the Jets and Giants play.
Yeah.
Right? Okay. Both of them are titled New York.
Yeah, that's true.
They actually play in New Jersey.
That's true.
They play across the harbor.
So I think that if Johnson County Overland Park got the Chiefs, it's still the Kansas City Chiefs. They would not be able to change it.
At the very most, it would be the Kansas Chiefs.
Yes. But I think it would probably be Kansas City because they have the famous KC logo with the arrowhead and all that.
A team with such a reputation and such a following could not do that and get away with it.
I was trying to imagine the announcers opening, but here we are in the Kansas City Chiefs, in beautiful Kansas City, Kansas, because they realize they're in Kansas.
But they're a lot more careful than that than they used to be.
They're very careful to mention the exact city they're in, and I think they're required to.
No, they are. That's why they always go, is it the Meadowlands?
Yeah, they mention the stadium name with the naming rights. They mention the city and the state they're in, because I think they're legally required to by the contract.
Why wouldn't New Jersey be matter in hell that they never get mentioned?
It must have been in the original deal, is we'll put the stadium here and you can get all the jobs and money, but you don't get the name.
But you don't get the name. Yeah.
That's probably something that Jersey agreed to. Yeah.
Did you really sit there and listen to all that garbage that was being, do you actually believe one inch of it? I didn't think so. Hang on, game over.