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Next up, Things Overheard in Hell.
John Wayne Gacy is in charge of human resources.
Okay, I think the leaf blower has stopped.
See, when the sun's coming out, we're meant to podcast today.
Yes, yes. Everything worked out. It's like Kismet, Karma, and Fortune all combined into our tarot deck.
Multiplied by our horoscope.
We put away our Ouija board so we couldn't own that.
That's true. That's pretty satanic anyway.
That whole demon thing, that whole episode where the Incubus and all, we don't get into that anymore.
But what a weird concept is to believe in deities and the immortal soul and afterlife, but then choose the bad guy.
No, that's what always got me. It's like you believe all this stuff, but it's the guy that's going to burn you in Hell to the crisp. It's cool.
No, I don't want all the good stuff and the salvation. I want to be punished.
All that is is outlaw. Someone wants to be outlaw so bad that they're just like, uh-uh, I'm just a devil's court.
To me, that's like the definition of miss the boat.
Yes.
It's like God is right there. You believe in God, but you go that way?
Not that guy. Not that guy.
Anyway, off the subject. Oh, we're about football. That's right. This is a football podcast.
Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I've got an interesting story here that we could go in a little bit further if you want to before we get to our picks.
Hit me.
All right. Okay. A reporter asked Joey Burrow, this is in Cincinnati, okay?
Yeah.
If he was upset that the Bengals did not trade for any player so far to help them, and this is last weekend, so it's pretty recent, them on a playoff push.
Burrow said, that's not my job. Burrow was under fire for that answer. Was that not a good answer?
People accused him of being flippant and sarcastic. I just now watched the interview. Oh, wait a minute. That's for the other podcast. Sorry.
I bled him in, and then I took one off there. Okay. You go ahead. I have some definite opinions on this.
Yeah. I think it's a good answer. It's absolutely true. The question was designed to get him to say something regrettable and step into somebody else's job, like the general manager.
He could have given the safe football formula answer of, well, we're all working too hard. We want the best players, and whatever happens, we'll just work with all that kind of bullshit.
But he cut the guy off and basically told the reporter, that's a dumbass question. You're wasting my time, so here's my answer. That's not my job.
He said it without saying it. Yeah.
So, if you're getting upset about that, I guess it's because you're used to those meaningless double-talk answers that you always get in every press conference, every statement.
I don't listen to them because there's no information there. It's all just garbage and happy speech.
Good job for Burrow for deciding not to participate.
Okay. I got a slightly different... Okay.
What he did was fine, and I agree with it. But they're comparing him to Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. Do you think that's what they would have said? No.
No.
You know, he's working very hard to give us the best team possible, and I have complete trust in him. And that's the end of that question.
Yeah. I think if the Bengals were doing... I think what he did was fine.
Yeah. I think if the Bengals were doing a lot better, he would have been in a better mood and probably would have done something like that.
But he's on a struggling team that's got a bad record, and one of their best receivers was benched because he couldn't be bothered to show up for a meeting, kind of like Ezekiel Elliott did.
So he's utterly frustrated about that. And then the other players injured. He's angry and frustrated about the season, I'm sure.
And then they're coming to him and saying, what do you think? How do you feel? Are you angry? Are you disappointed?
He probably just felt, go away and quit pestering me. You're trying to get me to say something stupid.
Yeah. That's what I mean is I agree with him 100%. But the problem is they're comparing him to other quarterbacks.
Yeah. But I got way off my point. But I think if Cincinnati had the same record as Baltimore or the Chiefs, then he would have been more on the company line.
Yeah. Yeah. I agree.
I think we're just seeing a little bit of reality from what he's going through there and how he's feeling.
I got one statement before we go into our picks.
Yeah.
Pete Aveya is a fat ass. And he's going home a loser.
Man, he was causing all sorts of trouble.
Oh, yeah, he was. That big lump of fucking fat.
Good gosh.
No, he's a good player.
Yeah. We're just having fun hating on him because that's kind of fun to hate on players.
He must be Aveya fan.
Oh, yeah. We got a close up pigeon here.
Oh, he warned me. Like, don't talk about my boy.
They say that when the homeless died, they reincarnated as pigeons or maybe it's the other way around.
Maybe it's Aveya's uncle or something.
No, Aveya is a very good player. He reminds me of Warren Sapp on steroids.
Oh, good comparison. I'd forgotten about Warren Sapp.
And Warren Sapp played for Tampa also.
No, the guy always gets in there, but I had to poke a little fun. I kid. So, anyhow, should we go on with this? Are we going to do the nut tugger first or later?
Let's save it for last.
Okay, let's do that.
Yeah, let's be cruel.
All right, week nine. Our first game was the Thursday night game, six and two Houston at two and six Jets.
I guess it doesn't matter if I give the records for the games that already happened. I got the records for the games coming up.
Anyway, Houston at New York Jets Thursday night. The Jets won 21-13. We both blew that one.
Very much so.
I was 27-13 Houston. You were 32-13 Houston. Gosh.
Okay. I'm not convinced.
No, not of the Jets, no.
No, no. So they sacked up for a couple of quarters. I think it's more of an indictment on Texans this year than it is on the Jets.
Yeah, the inconsistency that usually plagues young, less experienced players.
CJ Stroud does not look that phenom this year.
No, he doesn't. That surprises me, but you're right.
Me too. Me too. Very pedestrian. Now, I did always state, and so did you, we did say this.
They have a year over a year film on this guy.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's not necessarily just CJ. It's also the offensive coordinator to figure out lanes. For instance, Mahomes is getting fucking murdered last night.
Oh, God, he was.
Four sacks. What'd they do? They started running.
Yeah.
And when they ran in the second half, it was working because that defensive line was worn down so bad, Hunt was like going through them.
Yeah, that was nice to see.
And to their credit, they did not deviate from him. They're like, just feed him the ball. Feed him the ball.
Yeah, he got close to 100, if not.
He did. He got 100 yards.
Excellent, excellent.
I mean, that's why I'm saying, man, I don't know, man. I might start him over with the checker.
I would.
Yeah.
He's got the hot, he's got the experience and work Pacheco in slowly.
Yeah, yeah. And also Pacheco's going to be a little, you know, a little banged up, you know.
He won't have the endurance. I mean, I'm sure he's training and he's getting his doing his cardio and stuff. But the game time experience needs to be.
Yeah. And also he has got to step up as a number one guy. I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm just saying he didn't have any competition till now.
Yeah, you're right. He needs to make a case for himself at this point.
And real quick, I'll say this while we're on this. Kelsey finally learned after the fumble to lay down.
Yes.
Don't fight for that one yard.
Uh huh.
Anyhow, let's go back to this game.
All right. At one point in the game, a Jets receiver was running to the end zone and was celebrating by dropping the ball for the moment he crossed the goal line.
I remember a decade or more ago, that was a really common thing for players to just, you know, hang the ball down by their side and just drop it the instant they crossed the goal line as if, I don't need this anymore.
Yeah. Yeah.
And what happened back then happened again in the Jets game is the receiver dropped it before he crossed the goal line and then the ball rolled out the back of the end zone and Houston got it on a touchback.
And the stupidity of having to do that little celebration, just putting so much importance on that little flex.
I've forgotten all about that.
That you blew a touchdown.
Yeah.
That to me shows me what the Jets attitude is right now.
Yes.
So that's a big indictment of the Jets.
They can't even get their players to pay attention long enough to stroll into the end zone untouched with a football.
You can look at their sideline and tell there's something definitely wrong with their psyche.
Yeah.
Where does that come from?
It comes from your leader.
What's your leader doing?
Is he moping around the locker room pissed off?
Probably.
Yeah.
Talking about being in a dark place.
Last year, Mahomes, right after the Raiders lost, he went in that locker room and said, guys, we've got to pull it together and we're going to.
Yep.
He didn't go in there and go, so and so fucked up and so and so dropped this and so and so did this and I want it to stop.
He's like, you know what?
I'm doing a lot of things wrong.
I need to correct myself.
Yep.
We all need to look at ourselves in the mirror.
And that's not going on there, in my opinion, the way it looks.
No, I don't think so.
And I'm pretty sure that the moment the college football season is over, that Deon Sanders is going to be on his way to New York to become the head coach of the Jets.
I don't think that's going to help one little bit.
Rex Ryan has been linked to it, but I was going to go into that on bullet points.
He said he is interested in it and supposedly someone set out some feelers because he's on that Good Morning Football show or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I think you're right, too.
And Deon Sanders, I got a story about him getting his car stolen by one of the students who were implicated.
So someone that was playing under him stole his car.
But they all love him.
He's such a wonderful guy and he dances around with that little duck.
He cannot be trusted.
He has nine toes.
You have to have ten toes to be trusted.
Yeah.
I mean, how did he lose that toe?
Gambling debt.
No.
A gambling debt?
Joking, joking, joking.
Maybe he's just a clone and they didn't finish it in time and they forgot to add that last toe.
See right now.
Hey, Buncey, you go over there and you get that 50 grand.
If you don't get that 50 grand, you take his fucking toe.
Got it?
That's right, boss.
Hey, what's that over there?
That's Deon's toe.
Don't fuck with me.
What's in our coffee?
I don't know.
Peyote, a little mescaline.
Ayahuasca, I don't know.
A little benzadrine, who knows.
Oh, yeah.
I need to tell you something about the time I was trying to take my allergy pill and I
took a trazodone and I was at work.
Uh-oh.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, shit.
Anyhow, go ahead.
That's not for this buck ass.
There was a time when I was at work delivering a route and had a really bad migraine and
I took a Vicodin, which at the time I had a doctor feel good and he just prescribed
me Vicodin for the pain.
We all did back in the day.
They were fantastic.
Yeah.
So I took a Vicodin and in a half hour it wasn't really doing much so I took another
one and boy, the rest of that day is hazy.
I could still tell that my head hurt but I just didn't care.
No, I know.
It was such a weird disconnected feeling.
Dr. Philgus was so good.
It's like, hey, Doc, Doc, come here.
I got a little leakage down there.
You know, wink, wink, wink, wink.
I think I might need some antibiotics for this sinus infection, which is going to say
that on the bottle.
Wink, wink, wink, wink.
Maybe something like moldy bread.
Wink, wink.
Anyhow.
All right, football.
I want to be clear.
That's never happened to me.
I never had a leaky faucet.
But I know people who have.
Me too.
All right, game number two.
New Orleans Saints at Carolina Panthers.
Final score was Carolina 23-22.
I picked Carolina.
You picked Carolina.
Yay for us.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah, I can't believe we picked them.
And New Orleans really sucks.
They fired the coach.
Which we figured that was coming.
We were putting him on the hot seat like a couple other ones.
Yeah.
Okay, I mean, what is there to say about this?
Young still didn't look particularly sharp.
No.
But you did what you needed to do.
You needed to get wins underneath this guy.
Yeah, yeah.
You need to teach him how good a win feels.
Even winning against a bad team is still a win.
Yeah, and you need to cherish that win like you cherish all the others.
Yes.
So it was good and bad.
It wasn't like he lit the place up, but at the same time he had the fortitude to stay there to win.
Yeah, yeah.
He could easily have lost that game.
I mean, him and Caleb Williams are about the same, only Caleb Williams lost.
You see what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
I think Caleb's got a little more talent around him.
He does, he does.
But as an individual, I see what you're saying.
They're very similar players.
And then the psyche has a lot to do with it.
Confidence, comfort, security.
You know, thinking that you're okay where you are and you're going to be supported.
Yeah, you don't always have the perfect marriage.
Yeah.
You know, like McDermott with Allen or Reed with Holmes.
The guy that sees what he has, knows what he has, and he's going to make it what it is.
It's better in my Holmes than it is Allen, but Allen is very good too.
Yeah.
I forgot the coach's name of the Redskins, or I should, Commanders.
Commanders, yes.
Commanders, yeah.
Doesn't matter.
Anyhow, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That guy.
Yeah, that guy.
He seems to be doing a really good job with Daniels.
Yeah.
You've got to have that guy that knows how to handle the guy.
Yeah.
And we've been to express that worry for the Panthers quarterback that he could be ruined
by mishandling this first year, which is going to be a rough year for him.
But I don't know, he's still hanging in there.
Good for him.
Is this his second year or first?
This is his first year, I believe.
Yeah.
It is his first year.
I believe he's a rookie.
Okay.
Well then, if he's a rookie, I'm not so worried about it.
But he does have to.
He's got to win.
So, you've got to, I mean, it's so hard to do because they seemingly really don't have
that much talent around him.
No.
So, anyhow, we can move on.
I mean, I don't know what else, New Orleans is, they're fucked.
Yeah.
I mean, they might as well go for the number one.
Yeah.
And all five Carolina Panthers fans that showed up at the game were very happy to win.
All five of their season ticket holders.
Yes.
All five of them that did not drive three hours to the beach.
You're a good person.
All right.
Next game is Washington at the Giants.
Final score was 27 to 22 Washington, and we both got that right.
You were 24-20.
I was 23-10.
So, you were really close to the final score.
That's good.
I thought it would be a little wider margin.
I put a game like a two-scorer margin.
But Washington didn't really seem to be in trouble, did they?
No.
They had the game in hand pretty much the whole time.
Yeah.
They did what they had to do.
Yeah.
Daniels is kind of coming back there a little bit, but he's winning.
Yeah.
And he's still having fun.
He looks like he's having a great time.
He's having a blast, and that's the main thing, too.
Yeah.
You can put this against all the great quarterbacks we have now.
When they came in, they were having fun.
Yeah.
They weren't that concerned about it.
They knew.
They were convinced of their talents, and they were convinced of their head coach's talents
and offensive coordinator's talents.
Boy, we can think of a number of franchises right now where the quarterback isn't having
any fun at all.
No, I know.
Damn.
Yeah.
That's sad.
They hate your job that pays them well.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It seems to me really odd that the two New York teams do so poorly.
They're both two and six.
Or they were two and six.
They're worse than that, two and seven now.
I'm surprised the NFL let that happen for so long.
Yeah, a big market like that.
Maybe that's just the best they can do.
I mean, you can only build the stadium so big.
Yeah.
No, the Giants particularly, because the Jets tried.
It's just not working.
The Jets actually tried.
They got the Fonte Adams, and they got a, you know, they got a, oh, shit, what's his
name, old handicap, Rodgers.
Rodgers, yeah.
Yeah, they got Rodgers.
I mean, they actually bothered to field a good team.
The defense is decent.
I mean, you know, the Giants, they gave Daniel Jones a huge contract.
Yeah.
And he didn't even show that much promise.
Yeah, as far as taking chances, the Giants move about like cold honey.
You know?
It's just like, okay, well, maybe in a couple, three years we'll think about taking
that risk.
No, man, they move so slow.
And the rest of the league just rockets past them.
Yeah.
Then it all needs to go over there and like, just go, hey, give me the keys.
Give me the keys.
I can't trust you in this vehicle, obviously.
Exactly.
I'll make your draft picks, and I'll get your head coached.
Yeah.
Anyhow.
It's like when the Tesla decides to repossess itself or something.
No, that's Ford that repossesses itself.
Yeah, that's Ford.
But Tesla's probably working on it.
It's probably patented, so they've got to figure out a way around it.
Yeah, Ford has the patent on self-repossessing cars.
So all they have to do is buy the license from Ford so they can put it in theirs.
Oh, they're going to have a car that disintegrates.
Rooms will run all over to go, hey, man, my car will disintegrate in a couple of years.
I'll let you know when it happens.
If you don't keep up the payments on your Tesla, it'll repossess itself and drive into a car wash and then brick.
I can't get in this damn thing.
Rain fell on it.
Oh my god, it's ruined.
But remember, it's the world's toughest pickup truck.
Yes, that's right.
Anyway.
We have too much fun with Elon, don't we?
Yep, anyhow.
All right, next up, Miami at Buffalo.
Miami won.
No, Miami lost 30 to 27.
We both got that right.
I was 20 at 14.
You were 32, 31.
So again, you're really close on the score.
There was a nut tucker.
Yeah.
Miami always plays them well.
What can you say?
Two of us started to get back in there and play a little bit better.
He is doing a lot better.
Yeah.
Hill had a decent game.
Waddle had a decent game.
Mozart did okay.
Or Mozart or whatever.
Mozart.
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, Musgrat.
Musgrat had a good game.
Is he Musgrat Suzy or is he Musgrat Sam?
I'll say Sam.
Because he could probably beat my ass.
I'll say Sam.
Okay.
Good choice.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, division games.
So that doubly hurts Miami.
Yeah.
They really don't seem to have much left to play for, do they?
They showed up.
Surprised me.
Yeah, they did.
Even though I thought it was a close game, they were trying like hell to beat them.
Yeah.
Hey, that will be a good thing to watch with Miami.
They pretty much don't have a shot from this point, but if they keep playing everybody tough
and struggling and trying, then they're going to be murder next year.
Yeah, but will they have Hill?
Either way, without them, I think they'll be murder next year.
Yeah, I think if they lose Hill, they'll pick somebody else.
Yeah, they'll find someone comparable.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I was wondering about that earlier.
It's like, okay, if they keep doing this.
Now, remember, since that loss last weekend, they have like five hours to come up with
a trade.
They may pull the trigger, you know, because they might look at this and go, there's no
way.
We're not going to win seven games in a row.
We're already down with Buffalo.
Yeah.
So what are they like, two and six?
Seven.
Okay.
And Buffalo is seven and two.
Yeah.
Okay.
So they're basically eight games out.
Yeah.
With a little bit over eight games to go.
That pretty much seals it, doesn't it?
Yes.
And Miami, I mean, they barely have home field advantage.
So you put them on the road like last year and they usually get stomped.
Yeah.
You know, they get a mud hole stomped in their ass.
So you don't know.
They may trade him.
And also another thing is once you trade him and you get rid of that, then that frees you
up for next year and your whole plan.
You don't have it lingering.
It's just like, okay, he's gone.
I haven't heard anything about Hill having a no trade clause or trade approval kind of
thing.
I wouldn't think so because he's trying to romance my home so bad.
Yeah.
It's pretty rare for a player to get that kind of security.
Most teams, and I agree with you, don't want it.
They're like, no, no, no, no, no.
If we find a good deal for you, you're fucking gone.
We don't care.
Yeah.
Quarterbacks are usually the ones that get the no trade clause or trade approval.
Yeah, trade approval.
Yeah.
You can trade me, but it's got to be to somebody I like.
So go talk to them first.
Don't trade me to Carolina, bitch.
Man, I remember growing up, it was Tampa Bay or Green Bay.
Oh yeah.
Two places you do it.
And when the two of them played each other, they called that game the Bay of Pigs.
That was so good.
But man, Reggie White is the one that turned Green Bay around.
He left Philadelphia because he said God told him to go to Green Bay and help him build
their franchise back up.
And boy, how he did that.
Yeah.
Reggie White, what a player, huh?
Is he still alive or?
Sleep apnea got him.
That's what I thought.
Yeah.
Yeah, too bad.
Really?
Yeah.
I loved his voice.
I did too.
I remember the guy at the Robert L. Roberts Station at 54th and Leavenworth Road who talked
about like him.
We used to call him a creature.
He was a deacon or a pastor or somebody, but we just all called him creature.
He talked just like Reggie White.
I could listen to that for days.
He could have been a sermon.
He could do a sermon anywhere.
He could bust out a sermon and make people stop and listen anywhere.
He was so good.
And such a good player.
Yeah.
Loved him.
I mean, he was like one of my favorite players ever.
From everything I've heard and I know he was genuinely a good person in real life.
Yes.
I hope that's true about him.
But he played fierce.
Yes.
He could separate the two.
Yeah.
A guy I admire very much is Reggie White.
It's too bad he's not with us anymore.
Yeah.
Anyhow.
Alrighty.
Well, let's move on to the next game.
We have the Los Angeles Chargers at Cleveland.
The Chargers won 27-10.
I picked Cleveland, so I got that wrong.
You picked the Chargers 23-17.
So, again, you're getting very close to the final scores.
The Chargers have been my surprise team.
True.
And I'm starting to think maybe I was correct.
Yeah.
They are looking good.
They're in second place.
No.
Are they second place now?
Yeah.
Denver has one more loss.
Yeah.
That's right.
Because they lost.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Denver did not.
So they're a half game ahead of Denver in second place.
Yeah.
I think they're five and four Denver.
Yeah.
That's right.
Denver is now five and four, and the Chargers are five and three.
Yes.
So, yeah, that generally put you in second place with one fewer lost.
One less, one fewer.
Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh is looking like Jim Harbaugh.
He comes up with a good game plan.
He sticks with it.
He doesn't deviate from it.
He doesn't have the talent to take anything away from anybody.
Yeah.
So he has to play a certain way with his team, and he knows how to.
Yeah.
Solid defense, doing what you need to do on offense, and hopefully at the end of it, you
got one more point than the other guy.
Yeah.
Pretty simplistic.
He's a good coach, great motivator.
This is exactly what I expected out of him so far.
And now they're the ones that I think might make the playoffs.
Yeah.
I could.
I could, too.
Yeah.
In the AFC West, I could see them being the wild card out of this division.
Denver is still hanging in there, though.
They got... We'll talk about them next, but they didn't do so well.
No.
I think Chargers are definitely more complete in polished team at this point than Denver
is.
Denver's capable.
They're capable.
Definitely.
So we'll see how it shakes out at the end.
Yeah.
Next up, New England at Tennessee, and kind of the game that everyone was trying to give
away.
This is a toilet bowl.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Tennessee squeaked out a win, 20 to 17.
We both got that wrong.
Yeah.
We thought New England was going to do it, but... So now both teams are two and seven.
Damn.
What a record, two and seven.
That's got to hurt.
That's gun in your mouth.
Yeah.
But all those years and years that the Patriots were on top and in contention, this is the
fallout from that.
Oh yeah.
And it's going to happen to the Chiefs, too.
Hello.
Hopefully not for a while.
All right.
Thank you.
But eventually we're going to be in the position that the Patriots are in, where all our good
players have gone, and we're just kind of a treadmawker until we rebuild.
Yeah.
I think that they were trying to go a certain direction with Mack Jones.
Yeah.
It failed.
So now they're just kind of like standing there going, okay, let's see what Mays does.
Let's see if we can get any talent around them.
Let's see if we can train these people out of win.
That's about it.
That would be an odd position to be in.
You start to build your team around Mack Jones, and then it doesn't work out, and you've got
all this time and players invested.
Do you go out and try to find another Mack Jones, or do you undo what you did and start
over?
I think Mays is the bridge player.
If they think they have anything of the foundation, they'll keep it.
Anything else they're going to let walk.
Yeah.
And then they'll have to believe that the next quarterback they get is going to be able
to take advantage of what they've already put together, otherwise they're going to make
the transition.
And they can't miss like they did with Mack Jones.
Yeah.
And then you've got this on the quarterback, multiple drafts.
That is ugly.
Oh, your season ticket base.
Ask us, the chiefs.
Yeah, your season ticket base and the number of people watching you on TV drastically drops.
And those are two things that are pretty important to the league office.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you might see Jacoby Brissette in there.
Who knows?
Oh, and we've got a prison bus pulling up.
Oh, yeah.
Hey, look at those convicts.
Oh, look at that one guy.
Oh, how come he's looking at us?
Oh, wait, that's not his pants.
Oh, hey, I still want to know why he's looking at us.
Yeah.
Well, it's because you're so pretty.
You got a pretty mouth.
Hang on.
Let me knock a couple of teeth.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Hang on.
They probably make it better.
Yeah.
I got hot coffee.
I'll throw it at him.
Yeah.
Do we want to talk about Cleveland at all?
Yeah.
Let's make fun of them.
No, they beat Natty last week, so I like them now.
Yeah, yeah.
And Jameis Winston did not have the same game this week that he had the week before.
What, does Lazy give out on him?
Maybe so.
I'm going to start watching Cleveland a little more carefully.
Until Deshaun Watson went down, I was like riding him off game.
But at this point, I want to see what Kevin Stefanski does and what the front office does
as far as addressing whether Deshaun Watson is coming back next year, whether they want
him back, whether they just let that old slide and say, we're not going to talk about it
yet.
I would like to see him come out and say, yeah, one way or another, we're done with
Deshaun Watson, so he's not coming back.
We're moving on from here.
That's what they need to do.
That era is over.
That, I think, would be a good move.
I'll be curious to see what happens.
I am, too.
And another thing is, like we always said, they should have kept Mayfield.
Yeah.
Mayfield did pretty well last night against the Chiefs.
He is a very capable quarterback.
As a matter of fact, I like him.
I like the way he plays.
He has a lot of heart.
He has a lot of gut.
And he can throw.
And he can scramble, as we saw last night.
And obviously, his teammates like him.
Yes.
And I've always known that.
And he got to do a TV commercial with Alice Cooper.
Well, that's the main reason I like him right there.
I love that he goes, I think this is yours.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
You didn't order snake boots like these?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's yours.
Anyhow.
All right.
Well, so New England, Tennessee, we took care of Dallas and Atlanta.
This was kind of a watershed moment, I think.
I think everybody's starting to realize exactly what we got in Dallas.
Atlanta won 27-21.
And the last touchdown Dallas got was a garbage time touchdown.
Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't even...
It was 27-14 for quite a while.
So we both picked Atlanta.
Yay for us.
27-17 and 32-22.
Ezekiel Elliott didn't even make the trip to Atlanta because he just can't be bothered
to show up on time and he blew off three team meetings on Friday.
Why did they re-sign him?
He did this before, didn't he?
Just for the name, I guess, to excite the fans.
Some sort of PR move.
Yeah, but that's horrible for the team.
Isn't it?
Yeah, this lazy guy, we're going to re-hire him.
How about that?
Yeah.
They need to seriously re-evaluate their public relations department.
Yeah.
Well, you know what?
Mike McCarthy is probably on his way out.
He's lucky Jerry Jones never fires during the season.
Yeah.
So Mike McCarthy's out and I'm not sure he's going to get a head coaching gig.
Yeah, but what a crappy gig it is to be the head coach in Dallas because you've got an
owner that interferes constantly and then when things go wrong, the head coach takes
all the blame and gets run out of town.
And another thing too, everybody looks at this immaculate new stadium, they should be
winning.
They should be.
They should be the top of the line team with everything they have.
Dallas is like what?
The number five market in America.
Huge Metroplex.
Yeah.
And what a famed, famed, you know, I mean.
Historic franchise.
Yeah.
You know, generations of fans.
All of that's been squandered.
Yeah, it's gone.
With just mediocre crap on the field, inconsistency, can't make it in the playoffs.
Yeah, Dak, again, he can put up some numbers, but he can't do it when it counts.
The camera caught him standing on the sideline looking up the scoreboard and saying, man,
we fucking suck.
Yeah, I saw that.
Yeah.
Look, everybody's mailing it in down there now.
Yeah.
And that's it.
They thought that they were going to compete for the division crown and hopefully make
it in the playoffs deep.
That's not going to happen.
There's a radio guy the other day talking about players going into preservation mode
when you kind of know the season's over and there's really nothing left to fight for.
So you decide, you know what, I'm going to protect my health and myself and make sure
I end the season without any injuries so I can play again next year maybe for somebody
else.
Yeah.
And a lot of teams are starting to go into self, the players are going into self-preservation
mode.
Well, right now, about the halfway mark is usually when they start doing it.
Yeah.
Like I said, Miami looking up, when we're eight games out and there's eight games left.
Yeah.
And they won the tiebreaker.
So they got to be perfect and hope Buffalo stumbles.
Yeah.
And they're going to have to play the chances of that.
Yeah.
And then after that, even the wild card, you're miles away from the wild card.
Yeah.
So I would say most people down there are going into preservation mode except Tyreek
Hill.
He's trying to play for his next contract.
Yeah.
And I mean, what is he now?
34 maybe?
Yeah.
He's got a year on Mahomes.
So I think-
He's 30 then probably.
Yeah.
Mahomes is 30 at least.
Yeah.
I thought he was 29.
Because he's been here seven years.
Hang on.
Okay.
You look it up.
Okay.
No, now you got to be curious.
I'm going to talk about Atlanta.
Okay.
Atlanta is doing better every week and they're starting to look like that-
Patrick Mahomes' age.
They're starting to look like that ball rolling downhill and going faster and faster.
Yeah.
I agree.
So I see good things from Atlanta.
Patrick Mahomes' age.
He's 29.
Okay.
So he'll be 30 or 31.
He's 30, yeah.
Now, he's still got probably some good years left.
Yeah.
I mean, realistically, easily five years if he wants to.
Yeah.
Because most players can play until they're 35 with the exception, I think, of some linemen
because they take a hell of a lot of more damage on each play.
I agree.
Yeah.
Running backs too.
Running backs.
Usually their livelihood is five years.
Yeah.
They can kind of hang on as a third down receiving back if they want to sometimes.
Yeah.
So he's a good players type of guy.
Yeah.
He was fun.
Yeah.
He was fun to watch.
Kirk Cousins is obviously starting to get to know this offense much better.
He's putting up some numbers.
He's lightning quick, getting rid of the ball.
He's not taking the sacks.
He's not getting hit as much as he was.
The offense is running like it should, what they envisioned it should do.
And they're going to win this division and they might even win a game or two in the playoffs.
I would think so.
Playoffs.
You know, everyone just turned this podcast off right now.
Those son of a bitches.
What was I going to even say?
Kirk Cousins.
Yeah.
Let's see.
This is I think his third team.
He was drafted by the Washington, then went to Minnesota, and now he's in Atlanta.
I think he's found a home.
I think he has too.
I think he's really found a home here.
You know, it was weird how Minnesota used him though.
He had weapons.
But it was like getting the win seemed to be a problem there for some reason.
He really seemed to be kind of a mediocre, ho hum quarterback.
And I think that was just the game plan they had for him.
But in Atlanta, they figured out how to use.
No, no, no.
They're seeing a bigger picture.
They're saying this guy can take us deep into playoffs and we're going to show you.
So I'm convinced now.
They look great and I'm sorry Atlanta to do that to you because you guys are going to
take a dump now because I said you guys look good.
Anyhow.
All right.
Our next game, another garbage time game.
Las Vegas at Cincinnati.
Cincinnati pummeled them 41-24.
But that's their MO this year.
Bad game, good game.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
We both got it right.
I'm struggling to remember the two games that the Raiders have won this season.
They're two and seven now, but I'm trying to think who the hell did they beat?
Well, the difference now and the reason Natty just tore them a new asshole is this right
here.
They officially mailed in the season.
They lost to the Chiefs and that was it.
They're like, you know, our Super Bowl is gone now.
They could not wait to get us in their stadium.
These guys won the championship last year.
We're going to fucking nail them in this stadium.
Antonio Pierce, mouthing off.
Now there's a couple of statements behind him that are just ridiculous.
And now I don't think he's going to get a head coaching gig after this.
I think he's really blown his opportunity by not being very disciplined with his mouth
and his social media.
Yeah.
And also his handling of quarterbacks too.
Yeah.
Just more of the same.
Shuffle them in and out.
Don't choose anyone.
He never picked that you're the guy.
Everyone's like looking at each other going, are you going out there today or are you going
out there today?
And so nobody's doing that.
Over the years, you and I have both seen teams try to do quarterback by committee.
Never has it worked.
Never.
Yeah.
I remember the Eagles doing it on third down.
They'd always send their starter out and bring in Randall Cunningham to be this runner slash
passer slash option slash whatever.
And that just wound up being a piece of crap.
Yeah.
It's a dump on wheels.
And I mean, the Raiders are flushing rapidly.
Again, huge, awesome state of the art stadium and the product inside it is awful.
Yeah.
What a shame.
It's the pigeons.
Hello girls.
Very excited to see the pigeons.
They're about as big as she is.
Yeah.
Well, see here on the wing, they're pigeons, but if you go to a fancy restaurant and want
to eat one, it's a squab.
Oh, no, no, no.
I worked with a very poor, a guy that grew up very poor growing up and they didn't have
a lot of food and you know, I think dirt floor is poor.
Yeah.
He said his dad didn't have any money to buy food.
So I go, we're having city chicken tonight.
City chicken.
Yeah, I've heard that one.
I'm thinking of being a couple of pigeons with a BB gun, bring them in and fucking char them
up.
Yep.
So anyhow, go ahead.
Hey, you do what you need to do.
I always thought that was cool.
City chicken.
Yeah.
What is that, paw?
It's got a little bit of these extra pesticides.
Yeah.
Well, it's just like you can't burn a cherry or apple or hickory from the city.
Oh, yeah.
It's poisoned.
It is.
It absorbs so much crap.
Yeah.
It makes the meat taste horrible.
It does.
A lot of people don't understand that.
They're like, I bought this cherry and it's, I don't know what's going on.
But anyhow, go ahead.
Yep.
The tank is rolling through again.
Oh, it is, isn't it?
It's probably because the convicts are here.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, that's a water cannon.
Oh, cool.
Oh, they're going to blast him.
If we get some unruly prisoners, we're going to see some water canoning.
I'm just going to sit here and scream, kill him.
Shoot.
That one's Jeffrey Dahmer.
Get up.
Stop resisting.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
All right.
I know that's not funny, people.
No.
Next game, Denver at Baltimore.
Baltimore spanked him 41 to 10.
I got it wrong.
I picked Denver 27-13.
You picked Baltimore in a close game, 27-24.
Denver's ass is still red.
It is.
I saw parts of this game.
I saw Bo Nix go out there and throw an interception first thing, which on tip balls, they should
really charge that to receiver.
They need to have a tip ball section.
Yeah.
I'm a firm believer in that too, like you said.
We need to be distinguished what was actually an interception.
Another thing is I'd like to know some of these routes.
It's a really horrible interception.
Yeah.
I bet you someone fell down most of the time, or at least half the time.
Yeah, and go the wrong way.
Or go the wrong way.
Anyhow.
Yeah, but Baltimore got out early and never looked back.
No, that was the key.
Then they have Travis Henry and Lamar Jackson.
The Travis Henry signing was brilliant because now Lamar Jackson is in a sitting duck running.
Yeah, they've got a running game that isn't Lamar and a very credible running game that
isn't Lamar.
Yeah, he's learning to Mahomes it.
Oh, I'm dropping right now.
Not getting hurt.
Yeah, Baltimore is definitely surging.
They are.
Denver is still doing well.
They're five and four now.
Yeah.
Not bad.
They could make the playoffs.
Playoffs!
Okay.
They're learning to win.
They're in progress.
All right, next game is Chicago at Arizona.
And Arizona put up a good score on it, 29 to 9.
Arizona's been doing that.
But they're not just doing it with the pass, they're running.
They have a good play reservoir.
Yeah.
They're looking much better under this head coach.
Much, much better.
Their offense is getting more fluid.
It's not so, what would you call it, clunky?
Yeah, yeah.
When you, a good offense will build on the previous play.
Yeah.
Instead of just scripting random plays and see what happens.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot at Kyler Murray's and ex Patrick Mahomes, Big 12, Oklahoma, not
real far away from Texas Tech.
Yeah.
Kind of the same guy with a little bit better running speed.
Uh-huh.
I think they got away from all that and said, this guy isn't in Mahomes, this guy isn't
anybody, he's Murray.
Yeah.
Let's play Murray.
Yeah, yeah.
That's always the best choice.
I think that's what Kingsbury's thing was, is he was trying to make Kyler Murray and
Mahomes when he wasn't.
Yeah.
Kingsbury was a run and shoot guy from way back when.
Yeah.
So Mahomes' style was, you know, probably turned him on big time.
Yeah.
And that's what he thought he might have had.
Yeah.
And you know, try it for a bit and see if it works, if it doesn't, move on.
Yeah, do something else.
Yeah.
Then Chicago, man, they're having trouble getting consistency out of their offense.
Yeah, they are.
Caleb Williams, as good as he looks is as bad as he looks.
Yeah, that's true.
He seems to be one or the other.
Exactly.
Sometimes they can be in the same game.
Yeah, yeah.
He's learning.
This year and next year, of course, I don't have to say this, are key to his success in
the NFL.
Yeah.
But I know that's obvious, but it's the truth.
Yeah, he could quickly become an angry, upset, burned out quarterback because it's Chicago.
Yeah, he could be looking around going, I'm Caleb Williams.
Yeah.
I should be getting better than this.
I think they're doing good with him, but I see a lot of flaw now when I thought before
they were doing it just right.
We'll see.
It remains to be seen.
I knew they were going to have tough games.
Yeah.
I knew they were going to have games that they're going to look bad and they're going
to have games that they're going to look good.
There's like a friend of mine at work always said, the problem with the league right now
is Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah.
That's because he came out of the box just killing it.
Erwin expects that now.
Yeah.
Like, well, he did it.
You don't get that every day.
No.
You don't get that perfect marriage, that perfect storm of the quarterback and the head
coach and the mentor.
Yeah.
If something can be duplicated by everybody, then it's not really special, is it?
Yeah, no, it isn't.
Leave room for special.
Yeah.
Case in point right there.
I mean, that's pretty much... Yeah.
So, yeah, that's all I got to really say on that.
You got anything you got to elaborate more on?
No, that pretty much sums it up.
It's always been a copycat league and expectations are really high and expectations now are immediate.
We're so used to the on-demand world and people are like, eh, it's only a few bucks.
If I can get it now, who cares?
Not everything works that way, so... Well, I've got an example and I don't know if
anyone noticed this.
Okay.
Last year, the Chiefs won it with defense.
Yeah.
A majority of the time.
That's true.
What's the league doing this year?
They went defensive.
They did.
Yeah, it's a copycat league.
There are lower scoring games now than there were.
There's a lot more defensive stops, there's sacks, there's all kinds of stuff.
Yeah.
It's a copycat league and that's what's going on, but now you're starting to see that figure
now, that game tape.
We're getting a little bit better scores now.
We're starting to get 31 to 30 and stuff like that.
If the defensive surge lasts too long, the league will step in and change some rules.
Yeah, that way they're... It's kind of rule number one for the NFL is let's have more
offense because everybody loves offense.
Yeah.
That thing, that's never in danger of it becoming a league where final scores are like 10 to
7.
Yeah.
That's never going to happen again.
Whatever happens, it's fun to see these defensive surges and see these quarterbacks get slowed
down and they have to figure more things out in close games, but it'll swing the other
way.
It will, yeah.
Even if they have to push it.
They do.
They goose it whatever they were.
They goose it each way.
Yeah.
Like a good business would.
Yep.
All right.
Next game is Jacksonville at Philadelphia.
Philly won 28-23.
We both predicted it right, but we predicted much broader.
Nick Sirianni is on the hot seat big time in Philadelphia.
Even though, yeah, even though he won, he didn't play all that.
They didn't play that well and Jacksonville was in it.
Yeah, they were in it the whole game.
Yeah.
And Sirianni made some questionable moves and they noticed.
I think they're getting to the point where they want him gone.
Yeah.
Without Saquon Barkley, Philly would be, instead of 6-2, they'd probably be 3-5.
Because Saquon Barkley is like the bright shining star that makes everything else work.
And without that awesome running game, Jalen Hurts would probably have that leg injury
that we all know is coming.
Yeah.
They're an incomplete team, the Eagles are, despite their winning record.
They're an incomplete team.
And I, like you, I think they're going to get exposed.
I think so too.
Yeah, if not before, at least the latest during the playoffs, if not before.
Yeah.
I think I agree with that.
I don't know where else to go.
I mean, Jacksonville is doing better, but I still think that Peterson is definitely
on the hot seat.
But I think Sirianni may be in just as much trouble.
Yeah, yeah.
Especially considering it's Philly.
Yeah.
This is where they had to grease light poles.
That guy ate horse shit because they won the Super Bowl.
But then again, hey, let me do the disclaimer.
We had a guy get deep-panched by a tree.
Yes, that's true.
So, not like we're that much better.
Yeah.
Either that takes a lot of skill or a lot of booze.
Both?
Yeah.
There you go.
Skill you didn't know you had.
All right.
LA Rams at Seattle Seahawks.
Rams won 26-20.
I picked the Rams, you picked the Seahawks.
Yeah.
The Seahawks and Geno Smith are crumbling.
They are, yeah.
I think I picked the Seahawks because, I mean, I think I picked the Rams because you picked
the Seahawks.
I was trying to do something different.
Yeah, you did.
You played the other side.
Yeah.
Geno Smith is being Geno Smith now.
I mean, after he got all braggy and started pounding his chest, I think people were just
like, all right, go after him.
Yep.
He's like in his 10th, 11th year.
He's not a young guy.
No, no.
He's putting up some numbers, but no wins.
You can have him.
He's another Jeff George.
Yeah, they're four and five now.
Without as good of arm.
Yeah.
Lovely.
Yeah.
But I still not sold on the Rams.
No, I'm not either.
I think the Rams just don't have that it this year.
And if they do back their way to the playoffs, they're going to quickly exit.
Yeah.
I'm starting to think Arizona is going to push ahead to San Francisco to take the division.
Kind of looking like that, isn't it?
Yeah.
San Fran, not only when they get everybody back, they have some issues.
They have some internal strife going on.
Yeah.
They might be getting McCaffrey back this season, which would be a real help for them.
Yeah, we'll help them because McCaffrey is the biggest part of their offense.
Yeah.
Brock Pertney doesn't look nearly like Brock Pertney without him.
No.
The running game is non-existent pretty much.
Not anything you can count on this for sure.
No, no.
It's sporadic.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I'm not even sure if McCaffrey comes back if they're going to take off like they
should.
No, I agree with you.
It's going to help, but it's not going to be enough.
No, it's not.
There's strife going on.
I think a lot of it is a criticism on Kyle Shanahan because I think some of the players,
not only just the fans, think that he, start off, he blew the Atlanta Super Bowl.
Yeah.
You know, he stopped running when running was obviously working.
Yeah.
And Blank coming out there and celebrating didn't help anything either.
But he blew that.
They had the winner formula and he went to something else.
And they're saying this is the same thing going on now.
They had the special sauce and he threw it all the way.
Oh gosh.
And that's so tough to get too.
He's known as a dry-jacker.
Oh.
Look it up.
Yeah.
I think you can figure it out though.
Dry-jacker all the way.
Yeah.
That's not a good thing to be known as.
Next game up is Detroit at Green Bay.
Detroit won 24-14.
I picked Detroit.
You picked Green Bay.
Boy.
I was going out on it wasn't I?
Again, I thought Green Bay was going to have a little bit more of a fight in them.
Yeah.
Jordan Love is definitely more banged up than we thought.
Yes.
That's part of it, but there's something else missing too.
Yeah.
They have some receivers out.
Yeah they do.
They're good.
Detroit is starting to look like Detroit of last year.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think they picked up where they left off and where Green Bay is kind of like letting
off of the gas per se.
And for many different reasons.
I think that they are easier to get back on track than some other teams though.
Yeah.
I think that if you get them settled down, you get Jordan Love settled down in a good
system that you're going to see things start to happen again like last year.
But how good they are is probably not Detroit's level and probably not Tampa Bay's level.
Yeah.
Somewhere in between.
And you'll see them in the playoffs and they might win a game or two, but as far as the
promised land, I don't see that.
No, I agree.
But first Jordan Love's got to get healthy.
Yeah.
And the receivers have to be back and they have to throw offensive line.
They have to perform a little bit better from what I can tell.
Anyhow.
I think the more games, more home games Green Bay has in December, the better they'll do
because the cold, wet, snow, rain, whatever they get will help them a little more because
they're accustomed to it for the most part.
Yeah.
Home games in December.
In those games.
Yeah.
And that's when they need the wins too.
Yeah.
Running down the stretch.
Yeah.
And we'll see what happens.
Yeah.
All right.
The Sunday night game was Indianapolis at Minnesota.
Minnesota won 21-13.
I picked Indy 2013.
You picked Minnesota 20-14.
Boy, Indy gave them a fist fight, didn't they?
Yes, they did.
I mean, I'm not necessarily proud of the win per se on that, you know, like when I picked
it because they could very easily lost.
True.
So, Minnesota, once again, Daniel Jones, he'll make some good plays, or not Daniel Jones,
Sam Darnold.
He'll make some good plays and he'll make some not so good plays.
The inconsistency does not make him an upper echelon quarterback.
No.
And I think that that's probably what Minnesota will need to do anything this year.
Yeah, they might win the division.
Yeah.
You know, they might.
They might.
They might win the division very easily.
Yeah.
But that's it.
That's it.
They really don't have that special sauce like they were looking.
Yeah.
They're looking awful, awful ordinary after looking awful, awful special, which is not
good.
There was a football coach that said, that would tell his players, there are basically
multiple seasons within a single football season.
That's true, though.
There's the preseason, which has its own speed and style.
Yeah.
And then there's the early part of the regular season, which is different from preseason.
Things are speeding up, ramping up.
And then there's the second part of the regular season where it's the playoff push.
He's, that's got it.
Playoffs.
That's got its own speed and style and flavor.
Yeah.
And then when you make the playoffs, it's another level after that.
It's another season after a season.
Yeah.
And then the elite are going to get through on that, and that's where teams like Minnesota
are going to fumble.
They're just going to be crushed.
It's a natural weeding out process.
Yeah.
I've got an example.
A football game is essentially two football games.
It's split in half.
Yeah.
Okay.
Only one doesn't give you the final score.
The one at the end does.
Yeah.
That's where the defer came from.
Bill Belichick actually brought the defer back.
Yeah.
And then the home team was like, we want the ball first.
That way we score and get out ahead.
Yeah.
Now it's like, no, I want the ball first in the third quarter because that's a game that
counts.
Yep.
And it's the same type of thing.
It's the same type of atmosphere.
It's like, all right, everything that we did is fine.
Yeah.
But it doesn't mean anything because here we are in this new season.
And there's only so many teams.
So this is shit or get off the pot territory.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
And then you don't want to say, all right, our record is like four and five, but let's
forget that.
Yeah.
Because from this point on, we need to be six and oh.
I think good coaches do that.
Yeah.
They're like, look, we learned a lot of lessons.
Let's get that to the game.
Yeah.
Let's figure this out.
You know, I mean, there's a fine line between everybody falling apart and coming together.
Yeah.
And a good coach can do that.
That's true.
So.
And then you don't want someone like Terrell Owens in your locker room at the same time.
Yeah.
Start casting aspersions on the masculinity of the quarterback.
Oh, yeah.
You know, T.O., though, he did do a good job in the Super Bowl.
Yeah.
And he almost pulled it off for Reed.
And he was injured.
I have to give him that.
But man, as far as anything else, though, he like really crumbled teams.
So.
Yeah.
And he was a real stretch of distraction for what he brought to the table.
Yes.
All right.
Last game.
Tampa Bay at Kansas City.
OK.
Wow.
That was fun, wasn't it?
That was one of the funner games I've seen in a long, long time because it was a game
that was a real nut tucker.
Yes, it was.
I mean, I'm still like shifting around because it tugged my nuts so much.
Yeah.
There's a little bruising going.
Yeah.
I got to move this way and that way.
Well, it was 30 to 24 in overtime.
Yes.
And we both picked the Chiefs, 30 to 21 and 32, 24.
So we were real close on that final score.
Both of us were.
Yeah.
I expected Baker Mayfield to come.
He showed up.
Well, there is something being said about a rivalry that goes back to your college days.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And Baker Mayfield knows he was the king of the college and Mahomes is the king of the
NFL.
Yeah.
Which one would you rather have?
Yes.
So every time you see Baker Mayfield, he could be 0-14, but he's still going to play Mahomes
well.
Yeah.
He's getting up to that game if nothing else.
And also, I mean, Tampa's not a bad team.
No, no, they're not.
And let's see, what was they saying?
They were saying like, Zach Taylor was talking, this is the commentators, I don't know if
he was listening at that time, tuning him out by that time or whatever.
He knows.
Yeah.
So I think it was Joe Buck or, no, I think it was Aikman, it doesn't matter.
One of them two said that Todd Voles was talking to Zach Taylor about how to beat this team.
And they think because Zach Taylor has like one really, no, two really good wins, one
during regular season, one during the championship game, they think he's an expert on beating
the Chiefs.
Okay.
Yeah.
And that's kind of the way it was relayed over the air.
So they're talking about how to beat the Chiefs.
And I think some of that template was laid down about flooding the line, about the disguised
blitz, about getting them from the sides, acting like you're coming through the middle,
all this confusion they were causing.
Yeah.
Well, the one that Zach Taylor was probably talking about was a different running back,
a different system, a different game completely.
Because when that started happening in the second half, they all went in the locker room
and said, you know, hey, Kareem, how do you feel?
I feel really fucking good.
Good, you're getting the rock.
You're getting the rock and we're going to pound these fuckers to submission.
Because they made that part of their offense from preseason.
Yeah, they're a run first team without a doubt.
Yeah.
But look what the run first does.
It opens up that lane.
Yeah.
Look at Hopkins.
Yeah.
DeAndre Hopkins was fucking insane in this game.
Yeah.
Travis Kelsey, 100 yards.
Yeah.
Kelsey, he doesn't get so much yard after catch anymore, but he'll stretch for the first
down when he needs to.
He needs to lay down, i.e. the fumble.
The fumble.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I think he's starting to realize, I'm not that guy.
Yeah.
I'm not that guy anymore.
I'm a guy that needs to lay down.
They need me for the playoffs and I'm apt to fumble the ball because I'm so adamant
on getting that extra yard or two.
And they're so good at punching it out now.
It's insane.
Yes.
I mean, instead, they would have to do trickery last night on the game, win and play.
Last year, year before, year before, trickery.
Yeah.
Okay.
The Super Bowl trickery.
Yeah.
Okay.
Pacheco's getting rocked without a doubt.
We're going to punch this in.
Everybody runs in the middle.
You got Hardman on the slide.
Boom.
Done.
Yeah.
Okay.
They didn't have to do that this year.
They're like, give the ball to Hunt.
Yeah.
He's going to get in.
He carries four people every fucking time.
And they were able to use steel enough to make him somebody to be concerned about.
So then when they brought him in to block for Hunt, the other team's like, uh-oh, which
one's getting the ball?
Yeah.
And they don't know.
Yeah.
It's almost like the Wildcat only with two running backs.
Two running backs.
Yeah.
This type of play goes back to the hard nose, smash-mouth football.
But you have finesse guys doing it, which is interesting.
Yeah.
Hunt is an angry runner.
Yeah.
I love it.
Steel kind of runs like Pacheco.
He does.
Where he's just struggling and fighting and slashing and barreling his way through.
Not giving up.
Carson Steel needs to do that, but he needs to hold onto the rock because I've seen a
couple of- Two hands.
Yes.
I've seen a couple of times where I know how the fumbles came from.
Yeah.
He tends to let up on the ball when he's fighting for a yard.
He needs to do like Hunt was doing.
He was hugging that ball like he's hugging his mom when he was one year old.
He needs to hold onto that rock and just smother it.
Yes.
Anyhow, go ahead.
Excuse me.
What was I going to say?
Yeah.
The steel was the good balance for Hunt.
When Pacheco comes back, I think that's going to change Steel's role a little bit, but we'll
worry about that when it happens.
How do you think it- I just want your personal opinion.
How is this going to change Carson Steel's role?
I think he'll be more of a blocking back primarily, and then the runs that Steel is getting, he's
going to have to share with Pacheco as they work him back in.
See, I like that because you're not wearing down your running back, you're blocking.
So put Carson Steel in there for the block, or he could get the rock.
Yep.
Yeah.
Make him a good short yardage guy.
A real reliable three or four yards kind of guy.
Yes.
I think this is a type of game you're going to see from the Chiefs from here on out.
I think they found their groove, they found their special sauce, and they're going to
run him with it.
This is going to take them to the three, Pete, they think.
Yeah, that's definitely what everyone's pulling for.
One of the things that makes Andrew Reed so good is he works what he has.
He knows what he doesn't have.
But now with maybe Hollywood Brown coming back at the end of the year, and you have
a running game that's just really good.
Yeah, Brown and Hopkins out there at the same time with Kelsey coming across the middle.
And Worthy?
Well, yeah, you probably have...
I wanted to talk about Worthy.
I remember in the third quarter looking up the stats, he had two rushes for negative
10 yards and zero catches for zero yards.
Yeah, and the problem is because he could not stay in bounds.
Yeah.
He could have had a couple of spectacular catches, but he couldn't stay in bounds.
He needs to learn that, catch the ball and dart your toe tips down immediately the way
Hopkins did.
Yeah, he should have done the Hopkins on there, but he didn't.
He's just not quite there yet, and this is why you couldn't go with Worthy and just not
stay pat when all your receivers are injured.
I heard people going, well, Worthy's capable... No, he's not there yet.
You don't want to put that on him.
It's not fair.
Yeah.
He's going to have games like this.
He goes back to the corner, he scratches his head, and he thinks about it.
How can I get better staying in bounds?
I don't know what he finished with, but he was involved quite a bit, but really didn't
show up yardage-wise.
No, and I mean, that's what you're going to get.
Isn't that what you're going to get with a rookie that has all this talent?
Yeah, true.
You're going to get all this talent, but maybe not processed quite right.
Look, if anyone's going to make him anything, it's going to be Mahomes and Reed, and I think
he's a work in progress, and I think he's very capable, and I think that anyone very
capable in Reed's system will eventually do it.
I mean, look at Hardman.
Yeah, yeah.
Not exactly a big guy.
I mean, they thought he was going to be as fast as Hill, but he wasn't really a Tyreek
Hill, but he's an excellent Mico Lardman.
Yeah, they have him in his role.
They have him in his role, and he's doing fantastic.
He's flourishing.
He's not your number one guy.
He's not even your number four guy.
He's your special teams guy that can come in that they have to account for.
Yeah, yeah.
I was so glad he made it back into the game after being slammed on the sideline.
Oh, I was too, because he's been such a key element in our game plan.
People that may not know football may not see that.
They're like, oh, he was in there a couple of times.
No.
Really important times.
Very important times.
Yeah.
So they trust him.
Yeah, he comes through when they need him, definitely.
They trust him more than they ever have.
Yeah.
And I think that Hardman looks more at ease than he ever has the whole time he's played
in Kansas City.
Yeah.
And the Jets.
Yeah.
Catching the winning touchdown last year on the Super Bowl, I think really, really put
him over the top as these are my people.
Yeah.
And then Hunt, you see Hunt in the redemption aspect.
Yeah.
He's like, I'm getting this, and I'm doing it, and I'm not going to fuck it up this time.
Yeah.
So there we go.
Speaking of finding a home in These Are My People, did you notice who was banging the
drum at the stadium last night?
Oh shit.
I don't remember his name, but I think they said the chairman of the Oglala tribe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
It's showing that the Chiefs are named after Bartle.
Is it H. Row Bartle?
H. Row Bartle, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Which was a very beloved firing chief.
Bartle Hall is named after him.
A lot of things are named after him, including the Chiefs.
Yep.
And an arrowhead is a proud symbol of the American Indian or the Native Americans or
whatever.
Yeah.
And I thought, what an excellent endorsement of the tomahawk chop.
Yeah.
That everyone says, ew, it's hateful, it's nasty.
It's-
Yeah, whatever.
This guy was okay with it, and he should know.
You know, people that say that have no idea.
Yeah.
And they should not speak.
Yeah.
Because they're the ones that ruin the case for people that really have a case.
Yeah.
They're the ones that scream stupid shit and no one pays attention to them.
The knee-jerk reactors.
Yes.
Yeah.
You see?
And it's like, no.
Or they got their thing taken away, so they want you to lose your thing too.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Or the guy that does anything he wants, but then wants to look like he's this human rights
activist when he's the biggest waster of everything, the biggest polluter and hating, stepping
in front of people.
And then he's going to be the guy that tries to save face and go, you need to get rid
of that name.
Yeah.
He says that in public, but he goes home and doesn't give a shit.
Yeah, yeah.
He's the guy that is really into telling everybody else what to do, but not him.
Yes.
Because no, I'm exempt.
I just get to tell you what to do, and you have to live as a better person.
Again, like we've always referred to as the fake liberal.
Yeah, yeah.
So-
They're easy to spot.
Yep.
Yeah.
So, shall we go into some bullet points?
Yes.
Oh, let me do the wrap up.
Oh shit, I'm sorry.
I missed six, you missed four.
It seemed like you won that one.
I know, but I missed quite a few.
Okay, I'll take it, but I really thought you, I thought you destroyed me on this one.
No, you got two more than me.
Okay, I mean, neither one of us have much to brag about.
Yeah.
So, all right, well, cool.
Okay, I'll take it.
All right, I love this question, and I wish Aaron was here for this question, but he has
some stuff going on.
I hope he makes it here for the last, but if he does make it here, I'm going to ask
him this question.
Oh, yeah.
I'll ask him again, because he is, like I said, extremely knowledgeable and well-spoken.
You'll love the guy.
Yeah.
Anyhow, okay, who is more valuable to a successful defense?
A top-line edge rusher or a top-notch cornerback?
Wow.
Yeah.
Boy, that is hard to, hard to harness.
You know, like 20 years ago, I would have said corner easily.
Me too.
But I think it's the edge rusher.
I do too.
I think as fast and as agile as these athletes are getting, the ability to get in there and
disrupt the pass like two seconds after the ball is snapped is worth more than a corner
shutdown corner.
Carl Loftus, I'm surprised Mayfield went and hugged him.
Yeah.
He was tearing him up, wasn't he?
I've always been a big fan of Carl Loftus.
I've always thought that he had all this potential.
George Kay.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, you're referring back to the kettle thing.
Yeah.
How they're giving each other shit.
Meanwhile, the ball's on the ground.
Okay.
I'm with you.
Edge rusher is more important.
Yeah.
Because we saw it last night.
Baker Mayfield doesn't throw passes on the ground.
No.
Neither does Mahomes.
Nobody throws passes flat on their back.
No.
I've seen some players try to do that.
And it ends up bad, don't it?
Oh yeah.
Picks X dude.
Yeah, you know that Price is Right, a bum bum bum.
Yeah.
That's what happens.
When the, well, let's make a deal when the curtain opens and it's a donkey.
Yeah.
It runs in a baritone.
Oh, speaking of that, do you like my little sound effects I've been getting from old TV?
Yeah, I do like that.
Yeah, yeah.
Like one's a CBS News sounder and the other one I think is Scream Gems.
Yeah, yeah.
You see it after Bewitched and shit like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
I remember that always looked like the number 69 to me, Scream Gems.
I know, I know.
Hollywood?
Who knows?
Yeah, yeah.
You know the Nickelodeon Splat logo?
It looks, it's pretty much exactly the shape of Epstein's Island if you compare them.
It's pretty close.
I've got no more.
Yeah.
Let's go leave that floating like a burp.
All right.
Should all new stadiums, I think we both agreed, Edge Rushers.
Yeah.
Okay.
Should all new stadiums have use of public money, oh wait a minute, I want to say one
more thing about Edge Rushers.
Yeah.
When you have someone like Jones coming up the middle and Carl Ofth is coming on the
side, that's insane.
No, what do you do?
I know, you see Jones' big fucking hands coming at you and Carl Ofth is back there somewhere
but you don't know where.
Excellent.
Okay.
Yeah.
Secret sauce again and I know I said that 30 times today.
I'm going to say it 40.
What are you going to do about it?
Secret sauce.
That's right.
Secret sauce.
Playoffs.
Okay.
Should all new stadiums that has use of public money have to give tickets to the tax residents?
Probably not every year but a rotation system.
Oh yeah.
Give away some free tickets.
Yeah.
I like that.
The two year zip code is paying the taxes.
Yeah.
So Jackson County, they say Jackson County because they're here now.
Jackson County retains Arrowhead Stadium.
The people that are paying from them every now and then should go to the mailbox and
get a couple of free tickets.
I would think so.
About what we get now is first crack at the season tickets and single game tickets.
Yeah, not good enough.
Not good enough.
Everybody enjoys this so there should be perks for the people that are paying for it.
Yeah.
And get their names and faces up on the scoreboard saying look at these awesome taxpayers.
Yeah, yeah.
They could point them out in a certain section.
Yeah.
These are the people that paid for the stadium.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I like that idea.
And I think maybe a puppet show.
Free popcorn.
Yes.
All right.
Playoffs.
All right.
There you go.
I like that idea a lot.
I do too.
I think that would be a very good thing for the city.
It could happen.
It'd be very easy.
Look, I know a guy that has season, well, I don't know if he's even alive now.
He used to work with me as a journeyman.
He had season ticket stereo head.
He lived really close to it, right next to the stadium.
Yeah.
They gave him free tickets to the Royals game every year because of the noise.
Oh, cool.
Everybody in that area, he lived on Sniaubar.
Yeah.
And that's really close to both stadiums.
I just thought of something that might be a problem with giving away the free tickets.
What is it?
Since you're showing them at the stadium, you have to make sure they're properly diverse
in the way that society expects them to be diverse.
Oh, yeah.
So you can't pick random season ticket owners because you've got to show the diversity.
You're right.
So they'll have to fix the drawing in a way so they make sure they show the proper diversity.
Oh, they'd have to get the ethnicity.
Ethnicity and gender fluidity and whatever else.
Yeah.
Writer-like handed.
Physically disabled, mentally challenged.
Whistles when they talk.
They're going to have to get that whole range in there or they're going to be liable to
discrimination.
They're going to be discriminated.
Yeah.
Okay.
That probably won't happen.
It'll be a fixed system getting those people in there to get the free games, which means
you and I will never get in.
Yeah.
So forget it.
Yeah.
Andy Reid.
I told you about this online.
Andy Reid has a nickname in the NFL.
It's Pink Slip Andy because he destroyed multiple coaches and led to their firing.
Yeah.
I can see that.
Everybody in the Western Division, everybody that's went against him has been fired.
Yeah.
Except him.
That's right.
He's been just like, you got to prepare for the Chiefs every year and if you can't do
it in two or three years, well, let's try the next guy.
You don't have a job?
Yeah.
Wow.
Will Reid ever be figured out by his competitors or will he retire the legend like he is now?
He'll retire the legend.
I don't think they'll figure him out.
He's walking off in the sunset with a pile of rings going, fuck everyone.
Just when I think that he's kind of used up his creativity, more stuff happens.
It's amazing to watch.
I'm so glad that I'm here in this city in this time.
I'd hate to be watching this from Denver or Minnesota or wherever.
Oh, you'd be livid.
I would be hating Mahomes in Kansas City so bad.
How about Chicago?
They picked Trebesky or Houston.
They picked Watson.
No, Watson, yes.
Yeah.
Not Stroud.
Yeah.
He was the third one picked.
Mahomes was.
Buffalo traded for him so we could go ahead and get him.
How do you like to be those teams right now?
Oh, no kidding.
They're constantly getting pummeled by this guy.
Yeah.
It's not the players' fault where they get picked.
That happens to them.
All those first round picks that didn't pan out, it's not their fault because they had
no choice on where they were picked.
You got to lay it on the team.
You did it wrong.
Here's an ongoing problem in the form of Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs because you did it
wrong seven, eight years ago.
Now, think of it like this.
Mahomes is probably like, oh my gosh.
They picked Dak Prescott.
Oh, thank you, Lord.
Even though he wanted to go to Dallas, he's probably like, thanks, God.
Thanks for having Dak take the hit for me.
Yeah.
I think he's expressed that multiple times.
He's so glad to be here in Kansas City and he didn't know that this was going to be the
perfect spot for him, but by golly, it sure is.
Yeah, because he grew up a Cowboys fan because he lived in Whitewall, Texas.
His dad was a Texas Ranger for at least part of his career.
Yeah, and they resided in Texas.
Yeah.
They're never, ever going to... They'll never fit him in any readout.
He constantly morphs and changes.
He's got smart people around him and he listens to them who come up with ideas too.
Yes.
Yeah.
All right.
Reed.
Excuse me.
Reed, being the first in the current head coach's top of the elite, who is second that is still
active?
There's an obvious answer if you think about it.
Yeah, Tomlin.
Yes.
Would be my first go-to.
Me too.
Let me think.
I'm kind of on the fence about Sean Payton because he needs to do something in Denver
before I can put him in that level.
I'm not on Sean Payton, no.
He's made some boneheaded stuff where Mike Tomlin has just been pretty much spotless.
Yeah.
Mike Tomlin, then after that I have a hard time distinguishing anybody.
Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking I can't really think of anybody who's in that top elite.
Callahan is not.
Not yet, no.
No.
Gosh.
Was it McVeigh for the Rams?
No, no, no.
Yeah.
Two coaches.
That's about it.
Two coaches.
And they're the longest tenured.
Yeah, and they're both in the AFC.
Yes.
That's awesome.
And who's won that?
Well, thanks to the Chiefs, most of the AFC.
The only one that let us down was Cincinnati over the last what, five or six years.
Yeah.
That's true.
Hey, Hal.
Cool.
Okay, so Mahomes is working on a Hall of Fame career.
Will he be known as the greatest ever if he's close to Brady's Super Bowl wins or tied
to?
I would say yes because of the way he's done it.
Brady had machine precision and you kind of knew that he was in control.
Mahomes, you're getting a heart attack.
Yeah.
And the wild come from behind games and just the spectacular ways in which he's winning,
I think that'll push him ahead of Brady if their stats are pretty comparable.
I agree.
I think if Mahomes gets five rings that he's going to be considered the greatest ever no
matter what.
I would hope so.
Possibly even four, but it depends.
Yeah.
If he does the three, Pete, that's like 75% of it right there.
And he'll have four rings and three in a row and that'll be it.
They'll be like, yeah, this guy's greatest player ever, quarterback.
I would think.
I'll save that for next time.
I had another question related like that, but that's such a good question.
We'll save it for next bullet points.
Okay.
Next week.
Yeah.
Okay.
Andy Reid will retire one day.
Yeah.
He's closing in on 70.
When he retires, will Mahomes be as effective?
No.
No, but he's still going to be great.
Yeah.
He's still going to be really good and then we're going to love having him here and he's
going to win a lot of games.
But yeah, there's that.
I think when Kelsey retires, it's going to affect.
It's going to hurt a lot because he's such a diversion.
Yeah.
They're always double, triple teaming him.
Yeah.
That's going to bring about a big change when Kelsey retires.
Yeah.
So.
Unless we get Kittle away from the 49ers.
Why wouldn't he?
He loves Carl Oftus.
Yeah.
They're always elbowing each other.
Wow.
That would be fun.
Like I tell the Raider fans at work, come on over.
The water's warm.
Yeah.
Get your toe in.
No big deal.
We'll take you.
Come on.
Come on, Raider fan.
Come on.
We know you want to.
We have cocoa and comfy chairs.
Yes.
With marshmallows.
Yes.
Marshmallow topped cocoa.
All right.
Will Travis Kelsey go down as the greatest tight end ever when he calls it a career?
Yeah.
I'm going to say yes.
I think he's at Easter past Tony Gonzalez.
Yeah.
Oh, definitely.
Definitely.
And.
Gronkowski too.
Gronkowski and Antonio Gates is also in the talk there.
Yeah.
But I still think that Gonzalez was better than Gates.
Yeah.
So.
And we think that.
And we think that Kelsey passed.
That's my own interpretation.
You have your own.
So go ahead.
Tell me what you think.
You name off like maybe the top four and who you think is what.
Yeah I'm going to say Kelsey, Antonio Gates.
Kellen Winslow is pretty awesome.
Oh yeah.
I forgot about him.
Mark Mavaro.
Yeah.
But if you're judging the player on his performance and not how many Super Bowl rings he won because
that's a team thing.
Yes.
Gronk really drops out.
I agree.
Because you know he was a really good tight end.
But the Super Bowl rings aren't on him.
They're on Brady.
Yes.
So that shouldn't count for him.
And I think Travis has been the reason we've won enough games to get into the playoffs
and won games.
Playoffs?
Yeah.
And he's been a really good player.
He's been a really good player in the playoffs.
He's been a much more important part.
I forgot to do a teaser.
Yeah.
There's just no good way to do that.
I know.
We're too far apart.
Yeah.
Oh well.
Yeah.
Fuck it.
Sometimes your phone can zoom out a little bit.
Yeah you know.
Yeah maybe I could do that.
I'm trying to do a teaser so people will know we're here.
Yeah.
So here.
Man that first step up always kills me.
I know.
Your knees have to remember that they're knees.
My knees are saying fucking.
Yeah.
Alright.
Here we go.
Got to get a little bit cozier here.
Alright.
Oh we got to show the mic right?
Oh yeah.
You have a better angle than doing that?
Ah here we go.
There we go.
Alright.
And everybody listening right now just turned this off.
Yep.
What was all that rumbling and bumbling?
That's not theater in the mind.
You didn't do anything.
Are they having sex with the microphone?
What is that?
Well that would be okay.
Yeah.
Hey we'd probably fit in pretty well you know down here in the city market.
With our listeners too.
Yeah.
Allegedly.
Okay go ahead.
Let's see I have one bullet point.
Okay yeah that's.
Yep.
Not the one I mentioned on the way down but.
Oh you got a different one?
Yeah.
Okay.
The technology exists now that we can look at passing plays and determine how many yards
the quarterback threw it and how many yards the receiver ran it after that and credit
them separately for those yards.
So if Mahomes throws the balls 15 yards and the receiver runs another 30 Mahomes gets
the 15 the receiver gets the 30 instead of Mahomes getting 45 and the receiver getting
45.
Yeah.
So would you do you think it would be worthwhile to start tracking the stats that way to where
the receiver only gets his run after catch.
I like that.
And the quarterback only gets pass yards until completion.
I like that because that's going to separate a lot of what's you know it's going to separate
the quarterbacks from the quarterbacks and the receivers from the receivers.
Yeah the same with the touchdowns.
Mahomes throws a touchdown pass he gets the credit and the receiver gets the credit.
Yes.
It should be one or the other.
If Mahomes throws it to him in the end zone Mahomes gets the credit if the receiver gets
into the own end zone after he catches it he gets the credit but not both.
Yeah I think.
It might be interesting.
It would be.
I don't think that's overkill.
No it'd be easy to do with with camera angles and AI.
No problem you can do it.
It goes into a question I got on the second one.
But you know what man you know let's say we do the second one.
It goes no let's go ahead and do it now because this is a perfect bridge.
Okay this is a perfect segue.
Okay how would a rating system for a necessary roughness calls be invoked when a player is
injured.
So if a player has a bad hit and is out the rest of the season should the perp have to
stay out equally as long or is that too many rules just more red tape.
Wow.
Now doesn't that change things.
That does change things.
So let's say someone smacks Mahomes obviously out of bounds he breaks his ankle.
And he's out for eight weeks.
Should that player have to sit out eight weeks too.
You know the my impulse was to say yes but if you do then the other team is going to
find a disposable player and exactly use him as a missile.
It's a great thing to ponder but it's not really enforceable.
No it won't work in real life.
It will actually make people probably go ahead and do it.
Yeah.
So it's like yeah we'll just get rid of this guy because he's not that good.
He's a sacrificial lamb.
Send the Patsy in to get your job done and then throw him away.
Yes.
Gosh.
Yeah I had to go into that one because I mean it's just right in the too much red tape.
Yeah and you got to look at all these like how is a team going to get try to get around
this and get away with something based on this.
And they will.
Exactly what I came up with is sign a disposable player and have him go and wipe out the other
guy's best player.
Greg Williams is already working on it.
Yeah.
Oh this next one I love.
I love these hypotheticals.
Yeah.
What if Dak Prescott played for Andy Reid.
Would he be a Super Bowl front runner.
I'm going to piss some people off and say I think Dak Prescott would have been replaced.
Me too.
Reid would have been like this is not the guy.
Yeah I think.
I've got to find the guy.
Yeah.
I'm waiting to see what it is about Dak Prescott that says playoff run into the Super Bowl.
And it's just never been there.
Yeah I agree.
It could be there it's just we've never seen it.
We've never seen it and I don't think you're going to see it and if you're going to see
it it's going to be someone like Andy Reid's and nobody else.
So you're not going to see it.
Here's a nice storybook ending for Dak Prescott.
He finishes out his time in Dallas and then signs a free agent contract one year with
some team that's making a Super Bowl run and makes it to the Super Bowl with them.
Oh the Chiefs.
Whether it's the Chiefs or anybody but imagine the final year is he's a free agent then he
finally gets to the promised landing.
I think that would be awesome for him and that would be a storybook moment for his career.
He's not a bad guy.
No he's not.
Why not?
Yeah I love that.
I hope he does.
Yeah as much disdain I have for Jerry Jones I don't carry that over to the players and
the coaches and stuff.
They're doing what they can.
They've just got this big ugly monkey on their back named Jerry Jones.
Now that Snyder's gone Jerry Jones is the worst owner in the NFL.
And he put up a run against Snyder too.
Yeah he did.
Some of the shit that he was involved in is just unforgivable.
Don't forget that when in 1957 was it when the Little Rock Nine were integrating the
schools Jerry Jones was there in the crowd trying to keep them out.
Allegedly.
Yeah all the pictures are right there.
But yeah his motivation is alleged.
But why the hell else would he go there and stand around with a bunch of white thugs forming
a barricade to the black kids.
That's Jerry Jones.
That's unforgivable things that I say.
He's a racist.
Yeah you know there's no room for that anywhere let alone in the NFL.
So alrighty this next one I love.
Should I ever tell the big end ball biter story.
I keep teasing everyone that hasn't heard it.
Or should we make them go back to their old shows just to get it.
Well we could do a scavenger hunt and leave them clues.
And then if they can't get it then maybe we'll do it for like a New Year's Eve episode.
I like that.
And if you are that curious I think it's episode number five six.
It was early.
Of two douchebags and a microphone not the sports bastards.
Yeah that was way back then.
Yeah it was.
Yeah that was back when we did that Boeing episode on the Boeing 737 Max.
Yeah that was way back then.
Also I had someone that I went to school with send me another story that I forgot all about.
Which is just fucking brilliant.
But I mean it's not really for this show.
It's kind of a long story and it'll be on the douchebag show.
Alright.
Yeah so.
How long have we got on this one?
Hour and a half about.
Alright you want to do some cursed teams?
Yeah yeah.
Ok.
And that will bring up that bullet point I thought of on the way down.
Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Ok.
Alright according to this online.
What the fuck where did I get it from I don't know.
Somebody online ok.
Bill.
Yeah Bill online.
Bill in the internets.
Number one cursed is.
This is old.
Forget it.
Last title 1908.
Curse of the Billy Goat.
No no no.
They won one in 2017.
Yeah.
1970 number two Chicago the curse of the black socks.
But they've won one since then.
Yeah.
Philadelphia Eagles have won one since a couple since then.
Curse of Frank Gifford.
Oh yeah.
Cleveland Indians have they won or have they always just kind of been there?
They're the guardians now.
The guardians yeah.
I don't think they've won one.
Ok then that's the curse of Chief Wahoo their old mascot.
Oh that's right.
Yeah.
Ok well that one's still going on.
That's how we'll do this.
Yeah.
Ok.
Buffalo Bills this one's still in act.
Yeah.
The curse of OJ Simpson.
That's a big one.
Yep.
Next one.
The Minnesota Vikings.
I agree with this one too because they have won one since.
The Purple People Eater Voodoo Hex.
Oh wow.
So labeled by football fanatics in Canada where Joe Capp quarterbacked from Minnesota
first Super Bowl loser had starred in the CFL upset that Capp lost the tarnished the
image of the CFSL for coming to the NFL.
Yeah.
Canada placed a curse upon the Vikings.
Yep.
I think when Capp made the switch to the Vikings the Vikings were an expansion team.
Yes.
Wow.
Ok and this one was the Giants of San Francisco going to the Giants of New York now.
The curse of Melvin Bell.
Bell sued the team in 1962 because he has promised his seat warming device at Chili
Candlestick Park.
He won his lawsuit but he didn't lift his curse.
Wow.
Cold butt cheats.
Yeah you know what I don't blame him.
Yep.
The cheats are unforgivable.
Yeah.
Don't treat your fans like that man.
Yep.
Let's see the Pacers have won one since then.
The Blackhawks have won one since then.
The Indy Colts have won one since then with Manning I believe.
Yep.
Ok.
Cursive.
Ok even with that before Manning it was the curse of Johnny Unitas and Art Donovan.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Those are some names from the 60's.
When the Mayflower fans moved the Colts out of Baltimore in the middle of the night in
1983 Colts legends Unitas and Donovan must have placed a curse on the franchise at Unitas
bar.
Yep.
Yeah.
Oh Baltimore was so pissed when they left.
This next one is still intact.
You're going to love this one.
Yep.
The Detroit Lions.
Mmm.
1957 the curse of the turkey.
With only one playoff win since, well they've had a couple more since then but that's about
it.
Yeah.
With only one playoff win since their last NFL title it's sweet.
Thanksgiving revenge from all those turkeys on the team that always puts the plays on
turkey day.
And then the Seahawks was the curse of Brian Bosworth.
The Bosworths were so embarrassed and crushed after Bo Jackson destroyed him on a memorable
night game, I remember that one, that he cursed the Hawks and they haven't won a playoff game
since which is wrong but anyhow.
There were two more with the Lions.
There was a season where Alex Karras and one other player had to sit out for gambling.
Yeah.
That would have been in probably the 60's, early 60's.
You're right.
And they also for the longest time were the team that gave up the longest field goal ever
when Tom Dempsey of the Saints kicked a 63 yarder.
Yeah.
And the Lions didn't even bother to try to block it because they thought this is stupid,
he's never going to make it.
Yeah that's right.
And he did.
And he made it.
Tom Dempsey had.
It was very blockable.
Yeah it was.
It came out super low.
He had to line drive it.
Yeah.
To get that much distance you have to line drive it.
You can't air it.
And Tom Dempsey was born with half of a right foot.
So the front half with the toes and everything was gone.
And the front part was just kind of like a flat surface.
I forgot about that.
Almost like a driving wedge for a golf club.
And after he made that field goal the Detroit Lions tried to get it disqualified claiming
that his orthopedic shoe was an illegal performance enhancing device.
Yeah yeah.
Spoil sports.
And I said half of the Raiders have that going on down at their penis area.
Yeah.
And I think their coach has some prosthetic intestines because he's a gutless creep isn't
he?
Yeah see he threw it out the sock.
New Orleans the manning hex.
I'm not even going to go with that one.
That's stupid as hell.
Philly Flyers.
Curse of Bobby Clark's dentist.
Where the fuck they come up with these?
They're looking for a reason.
They are.
It's still kind of fun to go over them.
Says Clark and the Broad Street Bullies won it all.
The Flyers have reached the cup finals four times and conference finals four more times
without raising the trophy.
I have no idea.
You know what?
I got a better one.
Terry Bradshaw has a get off my lawn moment.
Another one.
This was really really good.
Terry was doing an analyst of Kirk Cousins and the Falcons offense.
When he was attempting to illustrate with his hand gestures he was mimicking turning
on and off the TV.
You know like the old fashioned no remote RCA console.
With a pull switch.
And he was doing that.
So of course, of course he's going to get ribbed on this shit right.
So Will Strahan and Howie Long couldn't resist the opportunity that fell at their heels
and were doing hand gestures over a remote and trying to get Bradshaw to figure out what
they were describing.
Strahan finally broke down and yelled it's a remote.
A remote Terry.
So Terry was pissed off because he was a complete buffoon with his analyzation and was mocked
over it.
Terry said he plans on filing a protest.
So that's get off my lawn.
Yeah.
Well he's been fighting those accusations that he's a half a moron all of his career.
And he's really sensitive about it.
But it doesn't help that he does commercials and TV programs acting like a complete moron.
He's perpetuating it himself.
This shit right here about the remote and all that.
They were just having fun.
They were making entertainment.
Didn't they run a big ass promotion win a million dollars of Terry's money.
They kind of dropped that.
He signed on to be a buffoon.
So what the hell is he getting bent about?
Yeah he's got a picture of the briefcase almost falling out.
Money scattered and a goofy look on his face.
Yeah and the beer commercials he played the moron.
I don't get it.
I mean he built his career around this so why didn't he just go with it.
Yeah.
That's like Jerry.
Like some.
Who's an outrageous comedian?
Like Dice Clay.
Andrew Dice Clay.
Yeah.
Like Andrew Dice Clay suddenly wanting to be taken seriously as an Oscar contention leading
man.
Yeah.
No you signed on to be this other guy.
You've been doing this forever keep doing it.
This is your winning formula.
Yeah he gave up the right to object to slurs about his intelligence when he started doing
it to make money.
Yeah.
Yeah I agree with that.
No sympathy Terry.
No.
And get off my lawn.
Yeah.
I'm sorry doesn't that just make him seem like a discreditable old man.
Yeah cranky old man yelling in the cloud.
Yeah he looked out to see if his newspaper was laying on his lawn.
He saw someone walking through there.
Get off my lawn.
Pull up your damn pants and pick a gender.
Damn kids got no respect anymore.
It turns out that somebody is like 45 but to Terry that looks like a kid.
Go wipe your nose.
Go wipe your nose you little bastard.
Come back around these parts I'm going to make you rake my lawn you motherfucker.
We're going to have a reenactment of Gran Torino.
Anyway so I had a bullet point.
Yes.
Name two NFL teams that are currently bad and you think will still be bad in 10 years.
Carolina.
Carolina yeah that's definitely up there on the list.
Let me think here.
Let me think.
There's another really obvious one that I'm not thinking of.
I mean I would almost say Jacksonville.
Yeah.
When they first came out from the expansion they were good.
They were good right off the bat.
Tom Cochran.
Yeah so let me think here.
There's another really really good one that I'm not.
Let's see who is in that NFC West.
That's Arizona, San Francisco, the Rams and the Seahawks.
Okay.
So I've been looking at the NFC front.
Yeah I am too.
There's a team in the East and a team in the South I'm looking at.
Okay let me see here.
NFC South.
That's New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Atlanta and Carolina.
Carolina.
I'm going to go with Jacksonville.
Okay.
One from the AFC, one from the NFC and I'm just going by they got to the playoffs right
a couple years ago but they just flushed right out and they haven't sniffed a sense of your
spell on their face.
I consider that an epic failure and I consider that being a bottom feeder and a dryjack.
So built on all that, that is my preponderance of evidence.
Yep.
That sounds right.
I think I'm going to go Carolina.
Isn't it sad we built with Carolina first?
That's the first one we went through.
I was wavering between New Orleans and Carolina because I think without Peyton New Orleans
is going to slide back to where it was.
I think I'm going to side with Carolina because they have zero history of winning.
Yeah New Orleans has a fairly recent Super Bowl.
But for the other team I'm going to go Giants, New York Giants because they're just never
relevant.
No you're right.
I don't see them making any kind of...
Can I switch my pick to the Giants?
Sure, absolutely.
Yeah I go with that too.
They just seem to let the rest of the league go by and they're happy to get...
They're incredibly ho hum.
A town, an area the size of the New York Metro, even if you're a crap team you're going to
find enough people to fill your stadium and buy your merchandise.
Oh I know rabid Giants fans.
I know people from the East Coast and they don't care.
They don't care if they're one in 500.
They're Giants all the way.
I think the Giants organization and the Panthers organization are both being run as make the
money first and let's worry about winning later.
At least the Jets have tried.
They did everything they could to win and it just didn't work.
They picked the wrong guy and they picked the wrong system and the wrong coaches, everything.
Or they just went to shit on them and that's just all there is to it.
But would you rather be the guy who walks up to the pretty girl and gets shot down or
the guy who sits at this table and never tries?
I'd rather be the one shot down.
The Jets are trying.
Yeah you never know.
Giants really aren't.
You can always turn around and go I respect that decision.
What did I do wrong?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Give me some pointers here.
I threw a couple of tissues down there away.
What do I got to do here?
Lip implants?
No, go ahead.
It seems like every move the Giants make is the safe, no risk, low risk, low reward kind
of move.
They're never going anywhere unless they take chances and risk falling on their asses.
No I know, yeah, if you never, I've heard this so many times and I had some people I
really respect tell me this.
If you're comfortable you're not growing.
Exactly.
Yeah, you have to be uncomfortable to grow.
You always need to get pushed.
If you can see the shoreline you're not on the right path.
Here's a good example.
Guitar player Billy Squire.
When he was in another band being pushed by their other musicians he was an awesome guitar
player.
When he went solo he stepped it back about 20% and kind of flown some of that shit in.
You talk about music writing, songwriting, licks, he was one of the best ever.
Don't Say No is one of the best, solid all the way through.
Don't Say No is one of the epic albums of all time.
And a lot of it was built on his guitar licks.
His style too, he had a really percussive guitar playing style.
Yes, very distinct, very catchy, nothing too flashy, nothing too much, just enough to sound
really good.
Yeah, but when you didn't have someone there pushing, when he was the best musician in
the band he started coasting.
So I think that's what the Giants are doing.
It's like hey, we're good enough, we get fans, we get to sell merchandise, we make money,
we'll make a few moves here and there, but let's coast.
And I think Carolina's started doing that too.
I figure I'll still be here in 10 years, I'll see if I'm right.
I'm hoping the same.
Hey, I just learned something awesome.
When I reached the 5 years cancer free mark, I'm 3 years now, but when I reach 5 years
cancer free, Cindy's going to take me to the Gibson garage in Nashville and say buy one.
Oh shit yeah.
I'm looking forward to that.
Two years from last June we get to make the shred.
So I'm already looking at guitars.
That's fantastic.
That is fantastic.
I'm leaning towards the Epiphone Firebird.
I love the sound of them.
I would go for the Gibson Firebird, but they start about 4 grand.
Yeah if I were a professional working musician I might do that, but the $700 Epiphone is
plenty for me.
So unless something else comes to take its place, I might go for the semi-hollow Sheraton
or the ES-335.
Those are both the semi-hollow guitars.
A lot of awesome players have played those.
Clapton's got a 335.
Stray cats guy Brian Setzer plays a semi-hollow bridge.
Yeah I love that too.
Brian Setzer's so good at that too.
He's got a little bit of a jazz rockabilly swing type of a sound.
Really good.
He's got that in himself.
You talk about a guy that just...
He writes everything, charts it all out.
Yeah he's an amazing musician.
Any one of those guitars would work.
I got time to look.
Alright, well should we cap this bitch off and go to the next one?
I think we should because I've got to go upstairs and drain the main band.
Yeah that's what I was talking about too.
I've got to go beep beep.
Alright so we're going to kill this.
Alright we'll see you fuckers later.
Goodbye.
Didn't you really sit there and listen to all that garbage that was being...
Do you actually believe one inch of it?
I didn't think so.
Hang on, game over.