From the deep inside the bowels of the city market in Kansas City, Missouri downtown property
to the banks of the beautiful crystal blue waters of the Missouri River
it is the original two, Topher and Mark, given the 2024 football predictions for the season.
You thought they were done, didn't you?
Hehehehehehe
Anyone wonder what these two dullards look like?
Yeah, me neither.
Alright, the sports bastards are prediction show.
Doing bastard-y things from different locations, aren't we today?
We are, yeah. I am currently in Eureka Springs on the balcony of the Flat Iron Fox
and you are in the Smoky Mountains at the bank.
Pigeon Forge.
Yes, beautiful, beautiful area.
I'm in this neat little coffee shop with a stream nearby
and I'm out on the balcony patio kind of area
and you can probably hear the people inside.
It's a busy little coffee shop.
It's kind of small, but man, it's good coffee and they get in and out fast.
I think I know which one you're talking about.
It's a neat area. I love that patio next to that river.
I forgot the name of the river, but it's beautiful.
Yeah, and I hesitate to mention the name of the coffee shop
because they might want us not to mention their name.
Well, yeah, it's just like the coffee shop here that I was going to mention
but I'm not going to.
It's been serving me the espresso frappes that are so good.
I kind of refrain from mentioning businesses now except ones that want us to
and I don't know how I get in.
And the funny thing is this one contains the word in too, just like the filthy bean.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
And you know what, actually the ladies there are always wearing costumes
because it's close to Halloween.
So I don't think they'll care if I send her in.
They've got great coffee. It's called In Me Up.
Oh, nice.
Every time I go there, they're wearing different outfits.
The first day I went there, there weren't witches' outfits.
Today they're wearing nun outfits.
Pretty fucking cool.
Anyhow, they're really cool. They're funnier than hell.
They're like making fun of each other and their stuff and everything.
It's really unique.
So anyhow, if you're ever down here in Eureka Springs,
they're basically a little trailer with a drive-up.
There's no inside and they're inside making this delicious coffee
and having a blast.
Nice.
That's a big part of the coffee shop is the atmosphere, isn't it?
Well, yeah.
I mean, as we know down there, the scene market will normally broadcast from.
Yeah.
I mean, that thing right there generates a good variety of people.
Yeah, such a good vibe.
Yeah, it's such a great vibe.
And we found the perfect spot to broadcast from there.
And the coffee shop is such a neat little outfit kind of tailored for people like us.
Yeah, yeah.
So anyhow, you want to go ahead and go with the games?
Because like I said, I'm not sure whether they're going to start marching
and cleaning up the room while I'm just thirsty leaving.
Alrighty.
Well, this current week, there are no bye weeks for anybody.
Oh, well, that's it.
Yeah, just all of a sudden no bye weeks.
There's going to resume next week, I'm sure.
But no London game, only one Monday night football game.
It's like a regular boring old schedule again.
It's amazing.
And they went back to, yeah, we're like, OK, we did enough.
Let's go ahead and have a little work on it.
All right, first game we have up on Thursday night is the 5-1 Minnesota Vikings
at the 2-4 Rams.
You know, I'm going to go a little bit different with this.
I think the Rams are going to have a little bit of a fight.
But I think the Vikings got beat up pretty bad.
I still think the Vikings are going to win.
I think it's going to be really close.
It's going to be 23-24 Vikings.
But barely.
And it's going to look like the Rams are going to win the first
of the entire game.
Oh, OK.
I'm going to go Minnesota 27-13.
Oh, my stocks.
I'm sorry, I have stocks.
Now, go ahead.
So, yeah, Minnesota 27-13.
I think they're going to bounce back from losing.
And they don't like being out of the ranks with the undefeated.
I think they're going to punish the Rams.
And the Rams are still struggling.
Yeah, OK.
I like your analogy much better.
OK.
All righty, second game up.
5-2 Green Bay at 2-5 Jacksonville.
OK.
I'm going to go.
Thank you.
I've got to battle down my stocks.
Oh, asleep.
Yeah, go ahead.
That's always good.
OK.
Is Green Bay in who?
Jacksonville.
OK.
I think Jacksonville showed their life last week.
So we're not going to show any this week.
Yeah.
24-10.
All right.
I'm pretty close.
I'm going 21-10.
OK.
Which means that Jacksonville's going to win.
Yeah.
I just think that Jacksonville's continuing this.
Eh, nah, not today.
You know, OK.
Yeah.
We're just showing some life.
Ah, nah, forget it.
Yeah.
They'll show a moment, spark a little bit of life, and then they go away again.
Yep.
I feel the same.
OK.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah.
I'm trying to read my own handwriting here.
Is that a three and two?
Yeah, I think it's a three and two.
OK.
Oh, that's why I try to type stuff out anymore.
I cannot read my own handwriting before what I try to read.
I had to update the win-loss record of the Monday Night Gamers.
All right.
OK.
Next up, we have three and four Arizona at two and four Miami.
OK.
Arizona.
I'm going to say Arizona, and I'm going to give them a decent march.
I'm going to say 32 to 15.
Wow.
I'm not sure, but I think.
Yeah, 32 to 15.
For multiple states.
Yeah, 32 to 15 for multiple particular regions, except Miami is utterless, and Arizona is
a team on an ascension.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Miami can't figure out the quarterback, and they're not going to do anything until they
do.
I think Arizona is going to win 24-7.
OK.
So I'm only giving Miami one chance to get down to the red zone and score for the rest
of the game, which is not going to get there.
That's kind of mean, but oh well.
No, no, no.
Wait.
I've got a question for you.
Yeah.
Personally, off of here, this is in a bullet point or nothing.
Is the Tyreek Hill watch on?
Oh, you know, that's probably.
It probably is.
I would think so.
It's about the time he starts flipping out, because nothing's going his way.
Yeah.
The possibility of national attention is going away.
Yeah.
I could see that being a problem.
The trade deadline is slipping away, and it seems like the Chiefs have found their number
one guy now, finally.
Yes.
Dee Hopkins is going to do wonderful things.
Yes.
Hopefully.
Yeah.
I think he's going to do all right.
The thing is, this right here, Tyreek Hill sees everything slipping away from him, and
he's still there.
Yeah?
Because everything he did is backward.
I mean, he tried doing the old feel good videos on Twitter about him and the Homes and all
that.
What did you say?
Oh, I just said, uh-huh.
Oh, OK.
Yeah, my thing's kind of clicking in now.
I apologize.
Yeah, that didn't work.
No one really gave a shit that he was doing that.
No one people questioned him.
He had to take it back because he looked like an asshole because the home scene, like, go
and like it or go, oh, yeah, buddy, or nothing.
He left it alone.
That was a slap to his current team, too, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
They're like, well, why are you doing that?
I want to show you what's in it.
Two of us injured right now.
Got to get him.
Yeah, it shows you he's a selfish player in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep, Tyree Killwatch.
I'm going to mark that down.
Yeah, please do.
Yeah, we'll see.
All right, next game.
The trade deadline is slipping away.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Um, somebody made the point earlier that last year the Chiefs jumped at the trade deadline
and snagged me Cole Hardman.
This year we got Deandre Hopkins.
They're doing pretty well at those last second grabs.
Well, yeah, McCall Hardman had the winning catch in the Super Bowl.
Yeah.
It's just like Kaderius Tony was the last man he grabbed from the New York Giants.
Yeah, yeah.
And he was the star of the Super Bowl with them in Philadelphia.
That last run back, yeah, the punt return, they got us already in field position.
Yeah, that was.
That was a winning blow right there really.
And that was a late F2, so we will see what happens with this.
Yeah, yeah, I'm expecting good things.
Me too.
All right, next up we have two and five New York Jets at the one and six New England Patriots.
Well, it's a division rivalry, but the Patriots are just, the Patriots are just formless,
so I'm going to say even the motionless Jets are going to beat them probably significantly,
and I'm going to say they're going to beat them 21 to 70.
All right, 21 to 70.
I'm going for the upset here.
I'm picking the Patriots 23 to 20.
I don't think the Patriots are going to play that well,
but I think the Jets are going to play down to their level
and just kind of piss in the way at the end of the game.
They have a history of doing that, so I see where you're coming from.
Yep.
Yeah, I can see that happening very easily.
It will be fun to watch.
Oh, it's going to be fun to watch one way or another, isn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, this is a win-win for people like us.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun when you really don't care who wins.
You're going to take enjoyment either way.
Yeah, yeah, the Bear Rogers gets fainted nationally by an inferior team.
It's great.
Yep.
Or the Patriots, their ass kicked.
Yep.
And the needle fun is fantastic.
I can't even think of the last time the Patriots started the season one and seven.
See, if they lose, they'll be one and seven.
You're going to have to go back a long way to find that.
That's going to be before Krilo Belichick and considerably before him.
Yeah.
All right, next up is 5-2 Baltimore at 1-6 Cleveland.
Okay, well Baltimore is...
Okay, they're a rival.
They've been a rival for a long time.
So it's going to be a little bit closer looking thing, but still the Ravens are going to pull it out.
But it's going to be in the fourth quarter.
They're going to start running away from them.
And I think it's going to be closer first, and it's going to be 32-10.
Well, pretty close to what I got.
I got 38-10.
Okay.
Baltimore is going to come back to their old hometown,
because Baltimore Ravens used to be the Cleveland Browns before they left.
Yes, but they left in the middle of the night.
Yes, they did.
Art Modell packed them up and moved them to Baltimore.
No joke, in the middle of the night.
Yes.
The Colts left Baltimore for Indianapolis the same way.
Yeah, they did.
Yep, they had to.
They had to.
I'm just chuckling at how different it is now.
Now you have to get league permission, and there would have to be hearings,
and a new stadium has to be built, and there's no sneaking out in the middle of the night anymore.
Oh, no, no, not now.
They have a type of league, so now there's no way to do it.
Yeah, yeah.
Every one of those times a team snuck out, the city's learned.
Yeah, they've learned how to prevent that.
I think Baltimore is just going to come back and pour salt right into the wound,
and trounce Cleveland.
It's not even going to be close from the beginning.
So I'm picking a 38-10 and a blowout from the beginning.
And you're picking a high score, but a late surge.
So it'll be cool to see which one looks out.
Yeah.
I think I just have a feeling that they're going to let up with Travis Henry
and also Lamar Jackson because of the thing that I said before.
Travis Henry is older now, and Lamar Jackson can't get hurt.
That's what I'm going by.
I see them going, this is an utter listen to Cleveland Browns.
We've got to be cautious, but at the same time,
don't be overzealous and get someone hurt.
Yeah.
And I think that's the thing about football right there, knowing your role.
True, true.
I don't know if this game is going to be carried in the KC area.
The Chiefs have the late – excuse me, coffee went down the wrong pipe.
I've had that happen.
No, it was delicious.
The Chiefs are on the late game, so I don't know what we'll get for a noon game.
Hopefully it's Baltimore or Cleveland, but it might be an NFC.
You never know.
Yeah.
All right, next up we have four and two Philly at three and four Cincinnati.
We were just talking about Cincinnati and Philly, weren't we?
That's a good rivalry.
Yeah.
I thought I was going to go with Philly.
Okay.
Thirty-two to 28.
That would be an exciting fun game.
It would be.
Man, I don't know why I'm picking this, but I'm going to pick Cincinnati for an upset.
Very possible.
Yeah.
Man, they're going to have to stop Philly's run game to do it.
I'm picking the low-scoring 19 to 17 game.
Okay.
That just seemed like the right score.
I'm not sure how the 19 comes about.
Somebody might have to get a safety or miss a two-point conversion or something.
I love doing the on-scores like that because if you hit it, you look brilliant.
Yeah.
And if you didn't, it's like, well, you tried.
Yep, yep.
All right, next up is four and three Indy at five and two Houston.
Indy is playing very well without Richardson, but Houston, I think, has probably got a chip on their shoulder after really not playing very well.
I would think.
Yeah, I think that Houston is going to – they're still trying to nail down that spot where they host instead of going on the road.
Yeah.
They're trying to make the one better like you do and then the one better and then you eventually reach the promised land.
So I'm going to say that Houston is going to have a bounce back pretty well, and I'm going to say that they're going to get 37 points against their 17.
Houston, 37?
Uh-huh, and Indy, 17.
17, okay.
Yeah, Houston's the kind of team that could definitely put up 37 points.
Yeah, I think CJ's strategy is to make the one better.
Yeah, I think CJ Stroud's going to have a much better game, and they'll get things going.
I'm picking Houston also by a closer score of 27-13.
Okay, that sounds good.
Yeah.
That sounds very reasonable.
You know, Indy's been winning and losing kind of, you know, they're four and three, so they've won about as many as they lost.
Yeah.
Or lost about as many as they won, so they kind of go back and forth, and I think this is going to be a down week for them.
Okay, that sounds very possible, and I think Indy's going to put up a fight at first, but then just going to overcome by a better team.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, next up is one and five Tennessee at five and one Detroit.
Okay, Detroit's going to write Manahan 11, and I'm going to say we're going to do 32-12.
I'm pretty close.
I'd pick 31-10 Detroit.
Wow.
Tennessee's season's about done.
I think the team knows it now since they're trading away players, and Detroit wants to start making that push towards the playoffs,
so running up the score is not something they're going to shy away from.
Oh, yeah, and here's something I'd like to point out, too.
It is really beneficial.
People always wonder how come you're always cordial and try to do business with teams that aren't your rivals and be friendly with them.
No other team was going to deal us a decent receiver.
Tennessee will because we're in good standing.
We gave them a luxurious sneak.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the point.
I didn't think about that.
Yeah, they're like, you know what, Brett Peach, no one else is going to trade with you, but who left you guys?
You know, we've had some dealers before, and we like each other, and we communicate very well.
Is there any interest in you getting into the game?
I think there's a lot of that in NFL, that you know who you can go to and who you can't.
You know who your friends are and who are not.
You know who might deal with you and who does.
And I think that this was the perfect scenario for someone like Brett Peach to go, hey, you know, we've had some dealers before,
and we like each other, and we communicate very well.
Is there any interest in you getting rid of the Andre Hopkins?
And then probably they were like, you know, these guys set us a luxurious state, and they gave us a pretty good deal.
They didn't like try to absolutely manfuse us.
Let's do the same.
Yeah, I'm surprised we got it for such a low pick, you know, fifth conditional to fourth.
Yeah, I think part of that is being in good standing, and it's like doing each other a salt.
I think there's a lot of that in that, too, mutual respect.
Yeah, and I think that's about what Debonte Adams was expected to go for, was like a fourth rounder.
I don't know exactly what his trade deal was.
Yeah, and that was two teams that traditionally deal well together, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you know your allies, I think.
Yeah, we're not going to get any kind of good deals from the Raiders or the...
No, no, it's...
The Bengals.
Four War Two, we didn't go to Russia for help.
Oh wait a minute, yeah, we did.
Anyhow.
Next up, we have Four and Three Atlanta at Four and Three Tampa Bay.
Another division game.
Okay.
Tampa Bay is going to be snapping back because they just got destroyed, but they did lose every receiver they could...
Yeah.
Okay, I think that Tampa Bay is going to play well with the defense and not too beat Atlanta
because I think Tampa Bay wants to stay in it desperately until they find a wide receiver to kind of help fill that void.
And so I'm going to say that they are probably going to be looking at back-to-squad players.
Like if there's a Demarcus Robinson out there, I think they'll probably try to get him.
Yeah.
If there's another number one or number two or number three guy like someone from Carolina, they're going to go after him.
They're not scrapping the season.
I think they're going to do well.
And I think you're going to see probably a 27-21, no, 27-23.
And I think Tampa Bay is going to top that.
I heard a teaser that Tampa Bay was looking to sign Marques Valdez Cantlin.
It may not be too bad of a fit, really.
Yeah.
Cantlin, if he is treated right, he can come up with...he could be a 400-yard guy.
Yeah.
A dump-off guy, a short out, running short outs.
He's not real tall.
He's not super fast, but he's got good hands.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I think that he's a good fit there.
Is he going to like tear it up?
No.
Is he going to be a guy that you get it here and there?
Yes.
He's going to be a chip away guy.
Yeah.
He's going to be a guy that's always out there that you got to count for and that's what we're here for.
So I'm going 27-24 with Tampa Bay.
So off by one point from your score.
I think we both feel exactly the same way about that.
Yeah, I think we do.
Yeah.
I mean, really, I mean, I really think there's no other way to feel about it.
Maybe that'll be the first game on...the noon game on Sunday.
That'll be a good one to watch.
Oh, I hope so.
Yeah.
I hope so.
Right, next up we have the 2-5 New Orleans Saints at the 3-3 Los Angeles Chargers.
Okay.
The Chargers are going to win not only...well, they don't really have a big advantage, but
New Orleans is lifeless and the Chargers are going to win.
And I think they're going to have a pretty good one because I think they're really going
to do for one.
And I'm going to say they're going to win 34-20.
All right.
I picked the Chargers as well, 24-21.
I don't know why I'm giving New Orleans 21 points, but...
Well, I don't know why I'm giving the Chargers 30 points.
Well, they had a lot of offensive numbers last week, but just didn't get it into the
end zone much.
So I think this week they're going to make up for it.
So 34 isn't out of the question.
And it's a lesser team, so I...
Yeah.
All right.
5-2 Buffalo at 4-3 Seattle.
I think Seattle's going to be a hard out.
It's at Seattle.
I think Seattle's going to pull the upset.
Wow.
Well, I'm going to say 29-27 last minute field goal, maybe even 60 yarder.
Wow.
They're so close to mine.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm 28-26, but I'm picking Buffalo.
Oh, nice.
So we're both a two-point difference in math.
We almost picked the exact same score.
I love this because one of us is going to look like a genius.
One of us is going to look like a genius.
Well, whichever one of us doesn't make it, we'll just say, oh, I was looking at it in
the mirror, man.
Not my fault.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the other one, or not.
Just getting out the honor.
That's that?
Well, that's going to be cool.
We'll see who gets to pop out of your chest on that one.
Okay.
So, we're going to Chicago at 5-2 Washington.
I don't know if Jaden Daniels is back or not, so I'm still going to pick Washington.
I'm going to pick Washington 24-21.
I totally misspelled Jaden Daniels for the broad rep anyway.
You know what?
Doesn't matter.
Only you are looking at it.
Let's see what his status is.
All right.
It says rib injury.
Of course, they're burying it way down there.
Okay.
Okay, it looks like he's got a chance to start.
Okay.
It depends on how they feel about it.
I mean, you know what?
I'd be very protective of him, my hockey one.
Okay.
I find that the coach says he's day-to-day, but the quarterback's mom tweeted out that
he's fine.
Oh, that on scenario.
So, I'm going to say he's going to start.
Yeah.
Yeah, the coach is trying to give a little bit of mystery, and then the mom's giving
away, which is not good.
The mom's being a mom.
Yep.
And you know that the head coach is like, shut the fuck up.
I want him to prepare for a backup guy.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, yeah, Jake Daniels is going to start them pretty sure.
All right.
So, I've got Washington 31-27.
Okay.
What do you think?
Okay.
I think that's probably, I'm going to say, did I give a score or not?
Not yet, no.
I sidetracked this.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Okay.
I was going to say 34-23.
All right.
That should be good.
And the reason is, is Hilla Williams is starting to put up some numbers, but he's not quite
there yet.
Yeah.
They're both two rookie quarterbacks, but I think Jayden's going to have a stronger
performance.
Yeah.
And I've got a full of them coming up.
It's really interesting.
Anyhow, go ahead.
All right.
Here comes the fun game.
The 6-0 Kansas City Chiefs at the 2-5 Las Vegas Raiders.
I think that the Chiefs are going to flatten them, and I think it's going to be a 28-3 flatten.
I like the sound of that.
Yeah.
And I don't think the Chiefs are going to put up impressive numbers again.
That's just not their game.
That's not their emmage.
Yeah.
I'm going even bigger.
I'm saying 35-17.
Okay.
How about that?
You know, I don't think the Chiefs really have a lot of blowout games in their hip pocket
this season, but I think this one's going to wind up looking like it because of the
defense is going to score.
Oh.
Whoever the rake.
Go ahead.
I'm going to stick to my pick, but I like your pick better.
I think you're right.
I think the defense is going to go, oh, are you surprised?
Are you surprised?
Is this guy now the one the guy goes in?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
Whoever the Raiders start, Mariota or not Mariota, Minshew or O'Connell, the Chiefs
are going to pick them off.
They're going to get so much pressure.
They're going to be some stupid throws and I think the defense is going to, they're probably
going to have more than one interception, but they're going to score on, there's going
to be a pick six.
Okay.
Yeah.
You know what?
They're going to leave with a clique way up their ass.
So yeah.
Okay.
We're pretty much on board just the scores.
And you know, realistically, I want the Raiders to be a good team every year because I want
the Chiefs Raiders to be a white knuckle, you know, showdown every year.
I want it to be a big bad ass game that I look forward to, but I think it's going to
be the Denver game this year.
I think so too.
Yeah.
All right.
Speaking of Denver, we have the one and six Carolina Panthers at the four and three Denver
donkeys.
Yeah.
I'm going to go 27-10.
Denver can put up the points and Denver's got a good defense.
You know, we're both kind of feeling the defense for Denver.
Yeah.
Both eggs is not particularly impressive.
The defense is not the type to scoop and score that much.
So I'm going to give them 28 points.
I mean, and then I think that the rest of just like, you know, you might get some ancillary
points from them later on in Carolina or maybe, maybe not.
Yeah.
I think that's what's...
Yeah.
You always got to figure there's going to be a short field at some point for somebody.
Yeah, yeah.
There's going to be some garbage points too because teams more than ever since now you
have an extra game than an extra game on the way is you're going to have people being very,
very careful with marking players.
Yeah.
So.
Well, this next game is the one that I've been finding the toughest to pick.
It's the three and three Dallas Cowboys at the three and four San Francisco 49ers.
Tons of history here.
Tons of history.
Yeah.
And it's at the 49ers?
At the Niners.
Boy, I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to give the 49ers the win.
And here's why I said I don't want to do this.
They're pretty deflated.
Yeah.
They are.
They aren't out on to their coach.
Their coach is doing some questionable stuff.
A lot of people are out.
They got, they held me down.
They got a lot of people injured right now.
They're down to the third string on some people.
They're decimated with injuries and their head coach appears to be a hoop.
But I'm still going to give them the win.
Man, it is tough.
It is tough, isn't it?
It is.
I mean, I can see Dallas going in and crapping them in their pants and I can see them not.
I'm going to go Dallas.
I just talked myself out of it.
Everything I just said is true.
Yeah.
So I'm going to say Dallas is going to get a 24-17.
I landed on Dallas to 28-13.
We're close.
Yeah.
I'm thinking Dallas is pissed off and looking for somebody to hurt because they're hurting
and they want to share that hurt with somebody else.
And San Francisco's flailing, struggling.
They have decimated receiving corps.
Yeah, they're putting iodine on their wounds and Dallas is going to come in there and smack
them while we're doing it.
Yes.
Yeah.
And what better team to do it on?
Yeah.
This might be the second blow.
Kansas City was the first blow and Dallas is going to be the second blow to just kind
of crush them for this season and maybe for good.
Yeah.
I really do wonder if their potential dynasty is done.
Yeah.
But it's so weird.
If it totally turned out the other way, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
It's just so hard to pick.
Really is.
Although Bob Turdy was on his back most of the game.
He's been playing well.
He can make plays.
Is that enough to beat Dallas?
Maybe, maybe not.
We'll find out.
Yeah.
And you know, Dallas has got talent.
They showed that talent in flashes.
Yeah.
And they have a pass rush.
Is that the new template that Burdy, is that the new template that the Chiefs just set
down?
I think so.
Well, I know Mike McCarthy, everybody thinks he's a boob, but he's not that big of a boob.
He did win a Super Bowl.
Yeah.
He won it with an asshole like Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah.
Allegedly.
Yeah, like, allegedly.
Allegedly, yeah.
So, there you go.
So right there, I think Mike McCarthy's looking over the, uh-huh, uh-huh.
Well, that's our Sunday night game, so we're going to get to watch that one.
That's good.
Good, good, good.
And then Monday night, we have the two and three, no, two and five New York Giants.
I can't even read my writing.
Two and five Giants at the five and two Steelers.
Oh my god, okay.
Well, the Steelers are going to have fun with those guys.
I think so.
And, uh, yeah, Russell Wilson is going to look even better and, uh, build up his confidence
a little bit more.
Um, is saying it's going to be a 35 to, uh, 17 blowout.
35, 17.
Yep.
All right.
I'm close.
I'm going to go 31-13.
Okay.
Um, yeah, Pittsburgh, again, Pittsburgh's not really the kind of team that you think
runs up the score or has a blowout, but I think this is kind of a good situation for
him.
That Pittsburgh's strengths fit in nicely with the Giants' weaknesses, and they're just
going to find it easy to score.
And also, I think that, uh, Mike Tomlin has also built up confidence in players like Russell
Wilson.
So he's going to have to blend and do that, not just being in the mentality, but like,
uh, showing dominance.
Yeah.
So, okay.
All right.
That's, that's our slate.
Okay.
Um, we'll go with the bullet points here.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, we touched on this, but I want to go a little bit further into it.
Tom Brady officially owned a part of the Raiders now.
He's still a commentator.
Is this a commentator?
Is this a conflict of interest and should it be allowed?
I think yeah, it is a conflict of interest.
They put some regulations in place, you know, to limit what he can do and what he can say
because it's a conflict of interest.
It's something we're doing legally to a lot of shenanigans.
Yeah.
I don't think that the restrictions they got in place are adequate to safeguard against
what they think is going to happen.
I'm just going to presume that this is step one in something the league is trying to change
into.
Imagine a future where players are looking forward to being part owners when they retire
and maybe they take a little less on their contract for the promise of buying into a
team when they retire.
Okay, since you brought that up, I'm going to go down a little bit and I'm going to go
to what you just went into because I want to go a little further into this.
I'm asking step down questions.
That's one step.
Here's the second step.
If a marquee player gets a contract that includes some ownership, should they have to be on
hold until they stop playing or commenting altogether?
Definitely until they stop playing.
Yeah, and probably until they don't commentate.
What you do is show them to be in where they talk about them.
Yeah, I agree with you.
They probably should stop the commentating until as long as they own part of the team.
You might as well just go hire Mark Davis from the Raiders to come do the play-by-play.
You know what you're going to get there.
You wouldn't expect anything else.
So if Brady's a part owner of the Raiders, you know he's going to love on the Raiders.
It's just a bad idea, but there's something in it for the NFL that they want that they're
going ahead and making it happen now that you can be working for the league plus own
one of the teams at the same time.
It's just weird.
The NFL is pushing boundaries.
They used to be so conservative.
I know.
Well, let's wait until eight other people have tried it and then we'll do it.
But now they're just out there.
I wonder if they didn't allow a certain amount of this to go on so they can make examples.
Oh, that's another thing.
Yeah, if people have been agitating for this, then they say, okay, let's let them have it
and let it fail and then we'll say told you so and then we'll shut them up.
I think there's some of that.
Yeah.
Wow.
There's all sorts of facets to this.
Okay, I know.
That's one of the reasons the game is so interesting.
There's one more thing I'll say about this.
Something that is very common in video games is to give the player something they really
want, but don't let them use it yet.
Like they're level 10, but give them a level 20 item.
So that gives them something to work for and pin their hopes on.
All video games do it over and over and over.
That could be what the NFL is trying to do.
Tell the players, okay, be a good player and don't cause too many trouble because you're
going to be a part owner someday.
That gives the players an incentive to go along and get along while they're players
because they've got their eye on that partial ownership in the future and that's going to
set them up for life instead of having to worry about their third or fourth contract.
So that's a way to pacify the workforce saying, oh, well, just cool it because you're going
to be an owner one day.
That might be it.
Yeah.
I think that there's some of that going on.
You hit it exactly what I was going at there.
All right, should a subculture like Thursday Night's Broncos Saints, that standalone game,
should they have to offer alternative programming while the abortion is still on?
I think they should.
In the Broncos and Saints home areas, they're legally required to show the game, but for
the rest of us, it's like, show us some Formula One highlights or something.
Yeah, yes.
It was kind of a cheap question, but then again, why not?
Do the picture in picture thing.
On Amazon too, we have this point on right now.
Yeah.
Okay, this next one I love.
I've read this question, when it first come out, I was like, oh, this is it.
Who will have a more storied career when they retire?
Jayden Daniels or CJ Stroud?
Wow.
I love this one.
Okay, first impulse is to say Jayden Daniels.
I'm going to kind of go with that.
It's a bigger market.
It's a more storied franchise.
Houston doesn't have a legacy of being great, but I think it's going to be easier for Jayden
Daniels to join the ranks of the great quarterbacks that that Washington organization has had.
Jayden is going to have to burst through all on his own because they've never really had
a franchise quarterback.
Not Doug Williams, was it?
Let's see, Mark Griffin?
Joe Theismann.
Well, in recent memory, nothing.
Yeah, nothing.
Okay, I'm going to see Jay Stroud and here's why.
I think of Jayden Daniels as another guy waiting to be hurt and he already is.
Oh, that's a good point.
That's a good point.
CJ Stroud's a pocket passer and I think those are the ones that have the most success traditionally
in the NFL.
That's just me, but also the next generation is the Jayden Daniels.
Yeah.
Man, that's a good question.
That's a really good one.
I love that one.
That is my favorite question I think I've ever come up with on the bullet points.
This next one I like too because this is going to be interesting to see how it's handled.
Will that bill ever shorten the season if players start dropping, which they are?
Yeah, I was talking about this with my wife during the Sunday games that the real problem
they're running into, and especially if they go to an extra game next season or 18 games
over 19 weeks, you're going to get to the point where it's the playoffs and it's this
team's backup versus that team's third string guy and it's just going to get so watered
down.
It's going to come down to either you've got to shorten the season or you've got to change
the rules to where teams have way less chance of getting hurt or can carry five to ten really
key backups and have it not count against their salary cap or their roster size or something.
When your star quarterback goes down, you've got a guy who's at least good enough to win
some playoff games.
Playoffs?
Playoffs.
We're on that.
Right now you've barely got enough players to field a team and then if you get some injuries,
you're scrambling from your practice squad or free agents.
It's just going to get worse.
Yeah, it's just going to get worse.
If they're going to have to shorten the season or make some other change to where they don't
get injured or the injuries aren't going to matter as much.
I think that it's going to go like this.
The first inclination is to change the rules of that to help the quarterbacks out and then
if that doesn't work, then you're going to see them looking into shortening the season
again, but it's never going to be because they was getting hurt.
It's going to be because of other reasons.
Like scheduling conflicts or it's going on too long.
Nobody likes it in the middle of February.
You know, we're getting into February.
It's getting too close to spring.
This is the winter classic.
They'll know another avenue, but they'll take away a game or two if they have to.
But the first thing they're going to do is they're going to change the rules unless everyone
loses interest and then they're going to go to the other option.
Okay, we have no choice.
We've got to shorten.
Some options I could see is adding a second bye week.
And another option would be to have the regular season divided into halves and winning the
first half of the season means something come playoff time.
I've seen other leagues do that.
And so it's not an all or nothing running down to the wire.
It's like, okay, we've already won the first half of the season.
We're at least this good so we don't have to go balls out the second half.
We can save our players.
That might work.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, I agree with that 100%.
I think that's perfect what you just said.
Okay.
The next one.
Who's cooler, Tiny Troy or Jake from State Farm?
I think Tiny Troy is pretty awesome.
Me too.
All the way.
Tiny Troy is the best.
Yep.
And you know, he's got his little binoculars and he's out there looking for flakes in your
scalp.
I know, yeah.
And he gives her thumbs up.
Yep.
Don't play stare.
This lady gives her some shoulders.
And it seems like Jake from State Farm is always just showing up and telling people they're
too stupid to understand their insurance, what their insurance actually means.
And they're also kind of morphing him into, they're kind of jolting him out.
They're kind of making him a boob now.
Yeah.
You know where he's doing sort of yoga or he doesn't understand something or he ends
up in some situation he shouldn't be in.
Yeah, they're kind of making him a clown.
Yeah, they're kind of clowning him.
So I'd say Tiny Troy 100%.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jake from State Farm is on his way out.
I bet you they have to come up with something different because they've taken it as far
as they could have done something.
Yeah.
So.
We're definitely in the beating the dead horse stage.
Yes.
Yep.
I mean, it's just like Flo.
Get rid of her already.
Jamie's the star.
Jamie is the one getting all the traction.
Nobody gives a shit about Flo anymore.
Flo was just a scout now when Jamie was playing the high school football and his dad was over
and screaming at him.
Yeah.
And Jamie was binocular.
So that shows you like she's old.
She's old news.
Yep.
Yeah.
So anyhow, that's what I'm saying.
Anyhow, okay, should the new arrowhead, whatever side of the line it's on, be a retractable
roof or should we go with the steady heading?
I think they're going to have to go with retractable roof just for the versatility and, you know,
greater chance to attract Super Bowl and other kind of championship games.
What I would prefer.
Huh?
Go ahead.
Oh, I think it's going to be on the more affluent Johnson County and I think they're going to
make it the coolest thing that they can and I think that's retractable roofs and in the
arc.
Yeah.
So what I've seen some stadiums do that I really like is they will put a partial roof
up to where all of the seats are covered but the field itself is still exposed to the elements.
I mean that way it's always, whatever temperature it is outside, it is inside.
But at least the fans are covered and they aren't going to get drenched or coated in
snow and ice.
So that's a good compromise.
I mean that's a good compromise but since we have bad winners here, if they don't put
a roof over it, we're not going to get into the Super Bowl.
I agree.
Okay, yeah, I agree with that 100%.
There's no better way than, yeah.
Yeah, so I'd say yes on the roof.
Cool.
Next one.
Any commercials saying the big game is too cheap to pay for the usage.
Could a commercial using Big Latin get by?
I think so.
I think so too because we're not actually saying Super Bowl.
Yeah.
I could say Super Bowl A or Super Bowl A or whatever.
There's some examples of the loophole working when you use a different language already
because I've heard instances where somebody on screen is saying something like Motherfucker
in Russian and it doesn't get bleeped because it's in Russian.
But he is actually saying Motherfucker on commercial TV.
So if you say it in Pig Latin, it doesn't count because if you say it in a different
language than English, it doesn't count.
You know what?
That makes sense now.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean it was kind of like a broad question but it's narrowed down now so yeah, you're
right.
Yeah, I think Pig Latin counts as an alternate language.
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's also, what is it, Karni speak?
Yeah.
You can do Karni language?
Yeah.
I'm waiting for the Karni language.
That would be cool.
And then there's the Cockney writing slang.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that too.
That too.
Yeah, I can't wait for, someone's going to do something like this sooner or later, agree?
Yeah, I'm sure.
Always pushing boundaries.
It's going to be interesting how they go about it.
Yeah.
Or they could stand on backwards.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, well you know what, we'll see.
Okay, if a DVR, if you DVR a football game, right, and it's a blowout, it'd have to erase
itself.
Oh definitely.
Save that space.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It should say, ah, no dice.
Get rid of it.
Especially my DVR, the more it's full, the more it malfunctions.
It's like I'll be watching something and then I'll try to back up and then it just automatically
skips forward again because it wants to.
And it only does that when the DVR is mostly full.
So I have to go delete a bunch of stuff for it to start operating correctly again.
Yeah, I think it could be mandated.
Yeah, self-deleting games, I like that.
Yeah, I do too.
It just takes itself out.
It's like, all right guys, we tried this, it's obviously not working, so we're just
going to go in and act like we never went there.
You're not going to see anything.
It's not going to be counted against you.
It's not going to take up your memory.
Just forget it.
And I would give you, go so far as have the team have to send you like 15 cents to pay
for the electricity that was used to record that mess.
I am pretty timid, yes.
Send an apology letter.
Yes.
Tell the team that got blown out.
If someone did like three fumbles, they have to personally send an apology and everybody
can watch that emotion.
Yes.
Send everyone some alcohol seltzers and...
Yeah, some pain reliever, self-help books.
Yes.
Zanax.
I'm going to use that as a cheat.
All right, next one.
Is Jason Kelsey more popular among football fans than his brother Travis?
I think he is.
The key is football fans, not everybody.
Yeah, yeah.
Taylor Swift fans, they like Travis.
Football fans, I'd say Jason is more popular because he's the working class kind of guy
and Travis dating Taylor is by some seen as showboating.
Yes, I agree.
And also Jason Kelsey is, he was part of the big push.
He's like a big burly guy.
He's a real guy.
Yeah.
He's funny.
I mean, yeah, the football fan loves Jason Kelsey.
Yeah.
And they're okay.
They might be okay with Travis or they might have to hate
it depending on what part of the country you're from
and who you're a fan of.
But I can definitely tell you, I agree with it 100%
that Jason Kelsey is more admired among football fans.
Yeah, I agree.
All right.
And then finally on bullet points,
why is Clyde Edwards, a lair,
and Sky Moore taking up roster spots on the Chiefs?
Can you give me one big solid reason?
Man, not really.
Sky Moore can see a little bit
because they could go into special teams with CHE.
Yeah.
No, he's not doing anything.
He's just taking up the spot.
He's not playing.
I don't even see him on the sidelines.
No, uh-uh.
Yeah, it's a mystery why they're still hanging onto him.
I mean, if they still have to hang on to him
for cap reasons, then just deactivate him.
Yeah, deactivate him and put that other guy to use.
I mean, it doesn't even have to be offensive
if you don't build an evening.
You can go defense.
You can put special teams on there.
Someone that could do it but hasn't done it,
Sky Moore and especially CHE.
CHE is my main one right there.
There's absolutely no reason to put him on the roster
that I can see him.
But Sky Moore, you can have him in certain situations
and you might make somewhat of a difference.
Yeah, I could see keeping him,
because he's versatile enough to return kicks
and be like the fourth receiver in the four receiver set.
Yeah, yes.
Yeah, you can do that and you can be fishing
an added head so it's got to account for.
Yeah.
I wonder how you do on jet sweeps.
That's where the receiver runs in and just grabs ball
and off he goes around the other end.
Because Worthy can do that but he's going to get
the crap beat out of him.
Yeah, now Sky Moore, I don't recall ever seeing him
in that situation.
Do you remember anything like that?
No, he may not be fast enough.
To me he looks lethargic.
Yeah.
And it's not just because he's always on the sideline.
To me he does not look like he has very much speed at all
which is ridiculous because he does.
And if you're not going to be fast, you better be tall.
Well, I mean he gets blown up at the line, I'm pretty sure.
That's why you don't see him.
That's why he's always late.
Oh yeah.
I mean really I think he runs into one that he tackles
and falls down.
Yeah, and if the other team is always putting their
least effective corner on him,
then he's not really helping you any.
No, you're right.
So I mean, yeah, more so towards CAG, but also Sky Moore too.
But I don't really see why they are on this team.
Oh my God, gotta see this new kick bar here.
Oh my God, that thing is full.
Ah, shit, my phone was over the, damn it.
It's a little three wheeler kick bar.
Cool.
Yeah, it looks like a futuristic antique.
Neat.
I think it's a kick bar.
I don't know what else it could be.
Yeah, go ahead.
What were you talking?
Let's see, oh, CAG and Sky Moore.
Yeah.
Okay, next.
Oh, that was it, that's all the bullet points.
That was kinda, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I really like these ones a lot.
I think I'm getting better at them.
I really dig the bullet points.
I do too, that's my favorite segment.
Even more than the picks and dissecting our horrible picks.
Bullet points are like, yeah.
The bullet points are good ones that we can dissect
and come to a conclusion on, I think it's fantastic.
Yeah.
Okay, how long is this recording going right now?
Because we're on a rip-a-pay-off,
I mean, I know they're not paying for it.
We're coming up on an hour.
Okay, we'll do, how about we do some more stupid sayings,
but this is from coaches and players.
All right.
Okay, this one was said by another running back,
but this running back said this too.
George Rogers, former Saints running back.
Oh, I remember him.
I wanna run, yeah, he was decent for a little bit.
I wanna rush for 1,000 for 1,500 yards,
whichever comes first.
That's not the first time that was said.
Ha ha ha ha.
I think I know what they mean.
If they all of a sudden have a really big game or something,
I said, no, that wouldn't be, but you know what,
I don't know, I don't know what they meant, forget it.
I remember seeing an ad for something,
the guy was, he said, free or best offer.
I thought what would be a better offer than free?
I would go up to him and go,
you know what my best offer is?
Free.
There you go, he closed.
Okay, the next one, Bill Peterson, former Oilers,
Oilers, head coach, not Oilers, former Oilers head coach,
Bill Peterson, I don't even remember him yet.
Well, here's why.
You guys line up alphabetically by height.
Oh, okay.
That's why you don't hear of them.
Ha ha ha ha.
Wow.
Yeah, I know.
He probably never understood what that meant
his whole life.
No, I'm pretty sure every now and then
he goes back to that and goes, shit.
Oh my.
What was I thinking?
Now, would alphabetically mean, you know,
tallest to shortest or shortest to tallest?
You know, it depends on going to A to Z or Z to A.
Yeah.
We need more information, coach.
Okay, coach, we're not sure.
It's kind of like that test,
they couldn't tell if it's a spot
or like a fly landing on it.
Yeah.
I think you got some on your watch,
but then again, flies got into the radiology room.
So we're not sure.
Yeah.
Okay, hip focus for the Bears linebacker.
I wouldn't ever sit out to hurt anyone deliberately
unless it was important, like a league game.
Oh my God.
I know.
That one, I was waiting for a lap and you're like me.
Yeah, that's just kind of, ugh.
Yeah.
A little glimpse behind the scenes there is,
you know, they're willing to injure each other
if the game is important enough.
It happens all the time, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Wow, that's a pretty bad thing to say.
I've got one here from our fellow friend,
William Refrigerator Perry.
For the Bears, he's he.
We all remember him, I.
Yeah, he can eat a sandwich.
Yeah.
I've been big ever since I was little.
Oh, that's so perfect.
I can imagine him, you have a good recollection of him too,
right?
Yep.
I can imagine him saying that so easily too.
Yep, yep.
I don't think he really earned his degree from college.
Let me put it that way.
No, no, no.
It was academic and it's basically standing there in the way.
Oh, that's so good.
While we're talking about that 85s Bear team,
let's go to Jim McMahon from the Bears quarterback.
This is him on travel in Europe.
The people don't think bad and they don't speak English.
No golf courses, no room service.
Who needs it?
Oh my God.
I know.
They have some of the most famous golf courses
in the world in the UK.
Jim McMahon, he did not get there on academic either.
Let's be honest.
That whole Chicago Bears team right then was stupid
except for Mike Dick.
Yeah, they were out of their minds on steroids and cocaine.
That was pretty much what fueled that team.
Mike Dick orchestrated it well enough to win one.
Yeah.
I mean, that was the 80s in a nutshell.
Steroids and sports and cocaine everywhere else.
And that was it.
I mean, just like the Cowboys in the mid 90s,
steroids and cocaine.
Yep.
Except for Eggman.
I don't think Eggman even cusses.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Now I'm sure Irvin did enough coke for both of them.
Oh, I'm sure too.
And I would like everyone to know
if you ever want to see Michael Irvin,
you can see him very easily
at this place called the Ocean Manor in Fort Lauderdale,
Florida if he's still friends with the owner.
Almost as alleged, of course.
Yes.
Ocean Manor, you can see Dennis Rodman get fucked up
and leave 10 unlit cigars all over the place
and go up and piss football players off
to where they almost punch him in the face allegedly.
And have speeches where he mumbles nothing
in the middle of the dining room there.
Allegedly.
Wow.
Allegedly.
So apparently that place is the place you go
to get all messed up and embarrass yourself in public.
You can read up on some of the stuff
that happened there if you want.
So that's all I gotta say about that.
We used to go there, we don't anymore.
And I have some pictures, I gotta find some pictures
of Dennis Rodman allegedly fucked up this morning.
Yeah.
So.
So, Eddie Al, and if you ever want a free cigar,
follow him around, he leaves 10 of them.
He never likes them.
Allegedly.
All right, John McKay for Butch Egg Coach,
I think we'll remember him like.
Yep.
All right.
Well, we've determined that we can't win at home
and we can't win on the road.
What we need is a neutral site.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!
Oh.
That was beautiful!
Beautiful, agreed?
That was beautiful.
When the Bucks came into the league in 76,
it was the Bucks and the Seahawks came in at the same time.
The Buccaneers, they were 14 game seasons back then.
They lost their all 14 games of their first season and the first 12 games of their second season
So they were 0 and 26 for their entire history
Before they finally won a game
So during those 26 losses McKay came up with some gems
Oh
They ran
Steve de Young out when
Yeah, I always liked him
Oh, yeah, he did he faked out so many camera operators
Yeah, because they had a collier and then word very word and some other
Albert Lewis bunch of other players they had a really good defense, but anyhow Craig already had the hayward over great Saints running back
Hmm people say I'll be drafted in the first round maybe even higher Wow
What does he think is higher than the first trip?
Oh, this is the pre first round. Oh, this is the pre round before the actual round started
Man, this is like pre 40, you know, you ever go to Southwest and they have the pretty board me
How can I board before I board?
I remember a couple of times in history where a team would have the number-run overall pick and before the draft even started
Well, I remember a couple of times in history where a team would have the number-run overall pick and before the draft even started
They just go ahead and sign the guy
he's like yeah, we're gonna draft him so we're just gonna sign him now and
So by the time the draft came around, you know
Well, they already knew because they'd already signed the guy but the league decided that that wasn't any fun that you know
That destroyed all the suspense. So they made take made sure teams couldn't do that anymore. You got a way till draft day
So that was an instance where I guess you could go higher than the first round because they just draft you before the draft starts
Oh, I've got a really good one here. Yeah
Remember when we ran into the hospital with the Niners in the right garden?
Yes
I believe we owned a set of car dealerships, didn't we?
Oh, yeah, I think you did
I think you did too
The NFL like life is full of idiots
That's a lot of crew with a little tongue in cheek
Yeah, a little obvious too
Yeah, a little obvious
But nevertheless very entertaining
That was
Yup
Chuck Knox, one of Rams head coach
This one is just kind of like, I like it. Most of my cliches aren't original
Yeah, okay
Interesting, right?
Yeah
Interesting
All right, Gale Sayers, former Bears running back
The only thing I got out of football was the ability to work hard and that's it
That's one of those ones that's got to sink in
Yeah, wow
If that's all he got out of it, that's kind of sad
So now he's saying that when he got to the NFL he was lazy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and also it's a really good life lesson that he learned too, right? It's like work hard
Oh, yeah, what a surprise, what a secret
That's a mixed message one, isn't it?
Yeah, you really kind of wonder what exactly he was trying to get across or was that it?
I think I would have had to have heard the press conference to really get the gist
Yeah
Oh, hey, how about Bum Phillips? Remember him? He was an anime
Former Cowboys head coach of course
If I drop dead tomorrow at least I'll know I died in good health
Oh my goodness
Oh, what a character
This next one I scratched off because it's, what's that, playoffs?
Go talk about playoffs, you kidding me? Playoffs?
Playoffs?
They're Jim Mora, they're very famous, yeah, we do this all the time, we don't have to go into it
Playoffs!
He's even lampooning himself on commercials now
He had the picture of his eyebrow raised too
That's the best, his eyebrow raised like what the fuck are you talking about?
This next one, Bill Cowler, former Steelers head coach
We're not attempting to circumcise the rules
Alright then
We're going to cut the rules crap off
By the way, those scraps are onions
I was unaware that the rules were Jewish
Yeah
Oh yeah, yeah
You know what, I'm just going to drop dead
It's going to go with the split, yeah
Bruce Coslet, former Bengals head coach, I don't remember if at all
Oh yeah, that guy had an awful haircut
Just an awful haircut
You have to look up Bruce Coslet
I'll look, because I'll remember my hand
We can't run, we can't pass, we can't stop the run, we can't stop the pass, we can't kick
Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now
And I think you see why you never got another head coach in your life
Yeah
That is all of them
And I think we're probably going to have to get around and get the hell out of here before we get booted out
Alright
I think that concludes this predictions
Anyhow, let's wish ourselves luck right now, we're going to need it
I think we are, yes
Yeah, once again we're probably going to get our ass kicked
So, anyhow
Alright, focus boots bastard, tell me out of my vacation spot
And I'm at mine
We're both having fun
Alright, everybody have a good day, all that good shit, bye
Bye
Did you really sit down and listen to all that garbage that was being, do you actually believe one inch of it?
I didn't think so
Alright, now game over