From the deep inside the bowels of the city market in Kansas City, Missouri downtown property
to the banks of the beautiful crystal blue waters of the Missouri River
it is the original two, Topher and Mark, given the 2024 football predictions for the season.
You thought they were done, didn't you?
Hehehehehehe
Harambe loved talking sports. Harambe doesn't talk sports anymore.
Why not? Because Harambe's dead.
Harambe died because some idiot could not watch their children properly while they were on the phone.
They shot him, senselessly murdered. Harambe does not talk sports anymore.
Sorry Harambe.
Kicking your ass with size 15 clown boots and a deep Tracy hat.
We are rolling.
Alright. Hey, hello everybody. This is the Sports Bastards. I'm Mark.
And I'm Topher.
This is going to be an interesting experiment because Topher and I are both on vacations.
I am in Eureka Springs Arkansas on the balcony of the Flatiron Platts Suites
right across from the Mason Park.
And I'm sitting here. It's going to be a little noisy at times so I apologize.
But I'm overlooking the hills and the sun coming up. It's beautiful.
And you are?
I went to see some family. I'm in Pigeon Forge.
What state am I in? Good God.
It's in Tennessee.
Yeah. Okay. I wasn't sure if I was across the line in Kentucky or not.
Yeah, Pigeon Forge is in Tennessee.
Yeah, I believe so.
Anyway, so I found a little coffee shop and I'm hanging out.
Oh yeah, yeah. I think I know which one you're talking about.
Is it the one at the base of the initial hill where the smokey mountains begin right behind it?
Yeah, yeah. And there's like this little river running right next door.
I mean right next to the coffee shop. It's really, really cool.
Yeah, I believe I know where that's at. That's a beautiful coffee shop.
Man, that's good.
Yeah, I'm watching the birds are coming by and swooping down
and getting the little bugs off the surface of the river. It's pretty cool.
Oh cool. Oh, so you're on the patio out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty loud inside.
A lot of people are here.
So I went out on the patio and I found a spot where I could set up the mobile rig.
Okay, I was wondering how you're going to do that because I have nothing here except for my Bluetooth sunglasses.
And that's it.
Yeah, well I've got you on speakerphone running through a Bluetooth speaker
and you're going into the back side of the microphone and I'm going into the front side of the microphone.
This will be interesting. I can tell you that.
I just realized how kinky that sounded.
Well, we are the sports bastards if you don't say things like that from us, don't they?
Yeah, it's going to be a little noisy here at times because in the morning they deliver all the beers and everything
for this little district here.
And like I said, there's a famous hotel right behind us
and this is a famous plantar building in the middle of it.
Then there's businesses to the other side.
Then there's Main Street just down the hill.
So there's a lot of commerce going on, especially in the morning because all the trucks deliver all the goods
because about two o'clock this place becomes a raging animal.
So, anyhow.
So I was just looking over the wire and there's two things, but the one that I believe is the one from Adam Scheffler
and the New York Post.
The Chiefs are training a fourth round rap day for the Andre Hopkins.
Yeah, yeah, that's been all over the TV this morning.
Apparently it's a done deal.
It's a fifth round that might become a fourth round depending on circumstances.
Oh, that was a conditional.
Okay, I didn't get a chance to read it all.
I realized I didn't call my mom and check in with her because she's watching my house.
And I got to read a little bit and I was like, oh shit, she'll call during the broadcast if I don't call her.
So I like to cut that short and call her up real quick and then call Duke.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think the Chiefs are going to do it first, but now J.J. Smith-Schuster gets banged up.
Dorothy just banged up a little bit.
I mean, our wide receiver positions are just depleting down to like two, maybe two people.
Yeah, well, Sky Moore is still there, but he didn't do much.
I was getting ready to say, I've got a question coming up about him and CHE.
But you know what, and I think we can probably figure it out.
But we'll go to that a little bit later.
That'll be in bullet points.
Well, yeah, that was the big news.
And then we have some other stuff coming up.
Like it seems like people are turning on Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan now.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll get that a little bit later.
There's a lot of people really upset with some of the things being done as of late.
So, yeah, and before, too, not just the Super Bowl and people not being trained properly in the new.
I always say it's on the players.
It's not on hand, but some people feel differently.
You know, if you don't know the rules, isn't that just elementary?
Yeah, I mean, the coaches can provide them the rules.
The league provides them the rules.
And by gosh, it's up to the player to learn and understand the rules, you know?
Yeah, I can see some of the criticism, but that part I do not see.
That is up to the players.
And quite frankly, maybe the GM, because why do you hire people that don't know the rules?
Really?
I mean, I do want to.
Yeah, so, hey, I'll look at them a little bit later.
So, what, you want to go to a probably disastrous fix?
Like I said, I've been down here.
I have no idea.
I got down here to watch the chase again.
And there were a lot of 49er fans in there all until about, oh, four minutes left.
And then there was none.
It was crickets.
And they were very boisterous until Mark, the fan from Kansas City, came in with his Patrick Mahomes Super Bowl jersey on.
And they were having a good old time until Mark kept screaming louder than them.
Every time he would make more plays than them.
And Mark just looked over there because he had a few pops.
Like, bring it, bitch.
And then I'm like, I'm right here, man.
I'm right here.
Yeah, there's quite a few of them.
If I had been in my right mind, I would have just been like, hey, good play, good play.
No, no, no, no, no.
Not Mark.
Mark is a completely different animal.
Okay, see you out there.
Well, we didn't do too bad, really.
Really?
Yeah.
Out of 15 games, we each missed five.
I'm proud of this.
Yeah, I was really surprised.
Yeah, I mean, because there were some tricky games this time.
Really tricky games.
Really toss-ups.
Yeah, yeah.
There were some that I got really wrong on the score.
Man, there's one you got really close.
That's the Detroit at Minnesota game.
That's the third one we'll get to.
You almost had the score perfect.
Oh, wow, that's cool.
Yeah.
That's very cool.
So.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and start off with the Thursday night game.
It was Denver at New Orleans.
And I was watching a YouTube feed of a guy who was watching the game and describing it.
Oh, that's right.
You don't have Amazon Prime.
Yeah.
So.
Well, you're welcome.
Come over to my house and watch it if you want.
I appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Whether I'm there or not, I'll be there eventually.
All right.
Well, this was a guy with a big Broncos D hanging around his neck.
And he had the TV out of view.
And he had the sound down.
So he's not breaking any copyright laws for rebroadcasting.
And he was watching the game and describing everything he was seeing.
He's putting up the score, putting up stats.
I mean, everything completely legal.
So that was pretty awesome.
My big takeaway from the game is Denver beat the crap out of New Orleans.
But Bo Nix did not really play well.
They won anyway.
But Bo Nix didn't play well.
I know.
And that has been the ammo for the Chiefs, too.
I mean, the Holmes is not particularly – well, he's not playing well at all.
But the thing is, here's what my Holmes is doing.
And Bo Nix, a little bit, but not nearly as much.
He was making a big play when he had to.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
Yeah, but that wasn't so much for Bo Nix.
That's more like the running backs were really making a big play when they needed to.
Yeah.
But then again, Kurt and Hunt was also.
But not so prolific like the Holmes was doing.
Like that one run was just insane.
But we'll be back later.
Well, you had 23-10.
And I had 17-14.
We both picked Denver.
And Denver won 32-10.
So New Orleans has got some questions to answer.
Well, it seems to me like – okay, General Matthew is good as he is.
He has a – in my opinion, he has a tendency to let up when things don't look good.
Huh, interesting.
And that's the way I've always seen him.
And it seemed like when we got rid of – well, we didn't get rid of him.
We let him go.
We let him walk.
Yeah.
We got some youngsters like Reed and people like that that don't seem to let up off of the pedal so much.
Yeah.
They used to call that having a, what, a high motor?
Yes, yes.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And Matthew to me has always kind of reminded me of that guy.
He can get it done, but he's not always – if things start looking a little tough,
he starts kind of like just going into town to me.
Now, he's a great player.
Don't get me wrong.
Mm-hmm.
But I think that's why Spagnolo and Reed decided to go with younger players that were more hungry
and didn't have a couple of huge contracts behind their belts.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, when you sign older players from other teams, they can only take you so far,
and then they start feeling their age or their injuries or deciding, you know what, it's not really worth it.
Sometimes you get really, you know, a really good deal, but sometimes the players –
there's a reason why they left their old team and they let them go.
Yes, absolutely.
And I agree.
If they almost really weren't keeping it, they would probably try to hold onto it,
but the Chiefs didn't even try.
They let it go and it walked, which indicated to me that there was something –
and it wasn't his attitude.
He was a very nice guy, very appreciative, really loving guy, very charming,
but there was something there that indicated to them like, you know what,
we don't want to spend that much money on him.
As a matter of fact, I'll go a step further.
The Chiefs are not that design of a team.
They were not going to get Deandre Hopkins or Cooper Cuff,
which was the other room of which I don't believe at all because we don't have that kind of money.
But we're not going to get them at all until we're completed down to like two wide receivers.
Then they had to, and then he's on his last year, they're not going to owe him anything,
so that makes perfect sense.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyhow, yeah, New Orleans, I look to them to continue to crumble whether Derek Carr is back or not.
They are on a downward spiral, and I mean, they are looking about what the Titans really have.
I mean, they just –
Yeah, and the Titans are giving up because they just traded us Deandre Hopkins.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, when you've got a guy with those 99 yards or 98, like Levis,
what kind of stats can you get anyhow?
People are down on, oh, he doesn't have any stats or what?
Yeah, yeah.
Your quarterback has 90 fucking yards.
Yes.
That ain't – there's going to be all the receivers, so you can't tell me that's all the 100.
Well, some – here are the leaders for the New Orleans team in that game.
Rattler was 25 of 35 for 172 yards, no interceptions, no touchdowns.
Okay.
Kendra Miller, the running back, 6 for 36 yards.
Oh, big problem.
And their top wide receiver for the game was Cedric Wilson, Jr., 6 receptions, 57 yards and a TD.
Okay, you know what, with that team being so bad as they are,
I mean that's a pretty stellar performance out of the wide receiver.
And actually not that bad a performance out of Rattler.
I mean, he didn't have any touchdowns, but he didn't have any interceptions.
Yeah, you would like to see him break the 200-yard mark, though.
Yeah, I watched some of the game.
I didn't get a chance to watch all of it, but it appeared to me like he just wasn't making the big plays,
but he was beating the pedestrian yards, once in the middle between the curtains.
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean that's a sign of just a quarterback who's in there and not someone who's going to take you anywhere.
And that's what we're seeing there.
And I mean, you know, Denver has a team ascending, New Orleans is obviously a team descending,
and this is about what I think they do.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
So yeah, I don't know where else to take that.
I mean, you know, we'll see.
I think Denver can make the playoffs in a long hard spot, and we'll see from there.
Yeah, I agree.
But I don't think Bo Nix is probably not the guy to take the team on its back,
so it's going to have to be a really, really good game plan from Sean Payne.
Yeah, but you know, that would be an excellent experience for Bo Nix, though, to make the playoffs.
Even if they lose, just, you know, his first season, they make the playoffs and he gets a taste of it.
I mean, that would be really good for, I think, for Bo Nix's career.
That is what you want.
Yeah.
But you're bringing a quarterback.
I mean, that's what they did with Mahomes, you know, when they made the playoffs.
And there's still a lot of hubbub about Andy Reach who put Mahomes in on that playoff game
when Alan Smith wasn't really doing that much.
Yeah.
A lot of people are like, you know, put him in, put him in now, put him in now.
And whatever Andy Reach did, it worked, didn't it?
It did.
Yeah.
So, Bo Nix is kind of like that, only he's the man and there's not a guy ahead of him.
He's not going to be the man, you know.
He is the man right now.
So there's different ways you can weigh your feet like that,
and I think that it's a very intelligent way of doing it.
You just got to be really careful because if you have that one bad day
where he gets five sacks or four of them.
True, yeah.
Yeah, you got to be really careful about that.
So I look to the game plan to be very industrial, even the playoffs have been made.
Yep, yep.
I can, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
So we'll see Sean Pagan sees a quarterback, or not quarterback,
sees a coach and also a head coach and also a Super Bowl winning.
So I think that he'll figure it out pretty well.
I think so too.
Yeah.
I think Denver is going to emerge as the Chief's biggest worry in the AFC West.
Yeah, I thought it was going to be the Chargers, but you know,
they're fading.
I know that Mark Harbaugh is the quarterback for Rue, per se,
but I don't know, there's something fundamentally wrong with Harbaugh.
I have not figured it all out yet.
Yeah, well, I don't know if it's injury or some mental issue that he's struggling with
or combination, but yeah, he's not the quarterback that we were used to.
No, not the one that came out of Bob's hop on he did,
and everyone was like, well, oh my gosh, we've got another Mahomes here, don't we?
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah.
Not so much anymore.
He has too many coaches, too many offensive coaches.
I think some doubt beat in his head.
He got sacked a few times, got hit a few times like you alluded to.
So, you know, that's what you get, but hey, how we can move on?
I was going to say that when the team starts bringing in a lot of different
offensive coordinators for the quarterback, that's like when mommy brings home
a new daddy every weekend and then they leave.
You know?
The quarterback's just, I was just getting attached to him and now I've got a new daddy?
This is a new daddy. No, no, no, this guy's just a drunk that comes over when no one else will.
So, don't even talk to him.
I mean, that's got to be how the quarterback feels when they keep firing the
offensive coordinator or the quarterback's coach.
He's like, give me somebody. Anybody is reliable.
Somebody's going to be here tomorrow.
I was going to talk to him about the game plan.
I was like, where is he?
Well, I was going to go over this with you, but I'm just going to have that time.
You know, meetings and stuff.
Well, it appears that he's what?
You could just do it the Sopranos way.
Oh, that guy, yeah, you ain't going to see him no more.
No, no, no, you're going.
All right, moving right along.
We don't want to know.
Yes.
He's coaching with the fishes.
Yeah, coaching with the fishes.
All right.
Man, I have no idea what's in my coffee this morning.
You know what? I had a really, really good espresso for a pay from up the road.
Yeah, I think so.
Anyhow, I'm glad you're talking swimming well, too.
Next we have the London game, New England at Jacksonville.
And you picked Jacksonville 17-14.
I picked New England 24-17.
But you were right. It was 32-16 final score, and Jacksonville just seemed unstoppable.
It's been going on for years now, and they're never going anywhere.
So I expect the coach still to come to hot seat.
Yeah, this is like pulling the bandaid off slowly to win a few games here and there.
It's like you can't think that this team is going to be okay unchanged for next year.
You've got to make some changes.
Yeah, Doug Peterson is probably still on the hot seat, and Doug Peterson, again, I say,
is going to take a couple more blowouts.
Losers, and then he will probably be in the unemployment line.
I don't wish it on him or no, but he's obviously a pretty nice guy.
He was here in Kansas City for quite a while as one of the lead staff.
He won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia, and then everyone in Philadelphia is laughing.
You've got to read, hehehe. They're not laughing now.
No, no, no.
But I agree with you. Doug Peterson is not a bad guy like some coaches are.
It's just this doesn't really seem to be his thing anymore.
He had some great success earlier, but it just doesn't seem to be his jam right now.
He's in the court, a coordinator I think.
Yeah, designing game plans. Yeah, that's kind of him.
It's not like we wish him ill. It's just, hey, you're in a job you really can't do, so time to move on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We wish you well in the future endeavors. We'll keep in touch.
Okay, next up we have Detroit at Minnesota. Final score was 3129 Detroit.
Your guess was 3130 Detroit. You were off by one point on Minnesota.
I should have been there. I know.
I picked Minnesota 2717, so I missed a boat there.
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking Detroit is ascending so heavy right now.
And all these people are now they're the sexy dick. Oh yeah, yeah, they're the ones. All that stuff. I love it.
Until they lose one and then all of a sudden they're going to look somewhere else.
But Detroit is obviously starting to get their shit together, and they weren't doing too bad before.
They have all the components, except I'm still saying this.
Jared Goff. Jared Goff is one of the best quarterbacks ever, one of the worst quarterbacks ever, and he could be in the same game.
Yeah, and he had a hell of a game. He had the whole game he had three incompletions. That was it. He was 2225.
I mean, is it coachable to take a player like that that has been so cool? He didn't win it when he was there.
They lost to the Patriots. This is a great keyboard overriding. I'm talking about where we lost to the keyboard.
And he went there against the Patriots and didn't look that good because he had a great game plan around, which I'm getting ready for, which is what I'm going into.
I think Jared Goff is very controllable with a good game plan. So this is all going to be up to Campbell, and how Dan Campbell can handle this right here in my opinion.
I think he has all the components. They go a long ways, but not all the way. But he's going to have to do it just right.
Yeah. Stat-wise, it was a pretty close game. Sam Darnold only had five incompletions. They had almost the same number of yards. Darnold had one interception.
Yeah, Darnold. I mean, at some point he's going to be Darnold, isn't he?
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, so there you go.
The leading rusher for each team, pretty close. 116 yards versus 93 yards.
Leading receivers, pretty close. Eight for 112 for Detroit. Seven for 81 for Minnesota.
So I'm not that far off on the stats, but that's why it was one of the reasons it was a close game.
I watched parts of it, and it really seemed like Detroit was determined, and I could tell that they wanted it more.
I mean, Minnesota was playing their ass off, but Detroit looked like they were just not going to take no for an answer.
Yes, I agree. Detroit has that push. They have that extra bump. And against a team like Minnesota, who is not quite there, but really close, that's going to get them somewhere.
I'd put it like this, it's going to make a hell of a championship game if they both make it.
Oh yeah. And that means that Kansas City is the only undefeated team left.
Yes. Which is insane. We'll go into that one. There's so many components on that thing.
Alrighty. Next up on the list we have Tennessee at Buffalo. Score was 34 to 10, Buffalo. I picked Buffalo 28-9, you picked Buffalo 32-7. So again, you were almost there on the score.
It was 34-10, and you picked 32-7. So you were getting psychic on that one.
That was good. That was a good pick, but that's pretty much Buffalo's ammo this year. After they got their head straightened out.
If Buffalo is going to put up some numbers, then the other numbers are depending on the team they play.
If it's an offensive juggernaut, then you can look for them to put up numbers too. But if not, they're going to shut them down.
They can be out game-playing, i.e. the Ravens. McDermott is a really good coach, but sometimes I question how good of a coach.
Well, it seemed like what their game plan, or how it worked out for them this week, was they just stifled the Titans' drives.
It's not like they were a bunch of turnovers. It was just don't let them make the converting plays.
They guessed right so often on what to do on second and long, third and long, etc. The Titans just couldn't keep any drives going.
It kind of reminds me of the chase defense without the turnovers. That blanket defense where they go in at the quarterback so adamantly and graciously that there's nothing left really to do except run and hope to make the completion.
And that's it. You're out of the pocket virtually every play. You're throwing off balance virtually every play. And if you're not doing that, you're on the ground.
I mean, there's nothing you can do with that. I mean, you know, it was a great game plan. But I go back to when they start playing the elite teams, what's going to happen?
So we'll see. Vaughn Miller is doing a little bit better than he has last couple of games, but he still doesn't seem to be where he was the first couple of games.
Yeah.
You think? Yeah. So we'll see. I mean, he is in his mid-30s, so we'll probably see that all year.
Yeah, I don't imagine he's going to get better as the year goes on.
No, no, I think he's going to wear down. I think he will have moments of brilliance when the game plan hits just right.
Yeah, yeah, true.
Alright. The next game is another battle of mediocrity. Miami at Indianapolis.
Final score was 16 to 10. I picked 24-15. You picked Miami 20 to 17.
Okay. Did Miami win I think?
No, Indy won 16-10.
Indy won, that's right. Okay, yeah. Okay. And you picked Indy, didn't you?
Yeah.
Okay, that's what I thought. Okay. Well, I mean, I don't know what to say. The team is rudderless without Tura Kaga Viola.
He is still undecided whether he's coming back this year or not.
Yeah.
I don't know why he would. Why he would, they're not going to make the playoffs. And if they do, I mean, this whole thing is just so, I mean, when, well, I don't even know how to describe it.
It seems like the whole team is about one person on offense, even though they have Waddle and Henry Hill.
Yeah, and it really seems to be damaging the team to have this uncertainty going on week after week.
I think he would be doing everyone a favor if he just made a decision now to whether he's coming back or not this season.
You know, let next season take care of itself later. But help the team by making a decision now. Yeah, I'm coming back or no, I'm not.
Yeah, I think that would be a big step. And then they can decide if there's anybody out there. You know, they can try to pick off Corso once from us.
True.
You know, yeah, they could be like, you know, of course, he's done that. He's done that. He's fell on some rough times with the offense.
There's not that much difference. He is familiar with Tyree Hill at least. And not with the Chiefs, but other things.
So.
Tyler Hunt, you want to hear Tyler Hunt least stats?
Yes.
7 of 13, 87 yards and a touchdown.
So they didn't even let him pass very much, did they?
No, they didn't. No, they did not.
Indy has a good defense, but looking at the record, it would indicate to me that Huntley has nothing in the game.
Yeah. The weird thing, Huntley has 87 passing yards, but one of his receivers had 95 receiving yards.
So Huntley's total is less because he got sacked. They take the sack yards off of his stats.
Yes, that's right.
So he's got a receiver that has more yards than Huntley has throwing.
This baffles me because Tua is not a running quarterback. How did he get out of all these sacks?
I don't know.
He didn't really.
Must be, yeah, well, yeah.
But that was his fault. He ran head first into, what's his name?
I don't remember his name either.
It's the guy that fell down dead and then they brought him back.
Oh, Damar Hamlin. Yeah.
Hamlin, yeah, he ran chest first actually into Damar Hamlin, which is ironic.
Yeah, I remember watching that play and saying, slide, slide, and then he went smack.
Yeah, and I'm like, what? So anyhow, it's like you're not going to knock Hamlin down.
No.
That's it. So yeah. Yeah, Tua needs to make a decision. I don't think this season's salvageable anyhow.
Maybe they need to make a decision for him. Maybe they need to say, look, you're going to count this year.
And if you like it or not, we don't care. We're doing it for your home good and your family's good. We'll talk to you later.
Yeah, at a certain point the team's got to decide what's best for them.
And right now, waiting for Tua to make a decision is what they're doing.
But tomorrow they could decide, we got to move on. So Tua, whatever you decide, let us know that we're moving on.
Yes, I think that's going to have to happen. And we'll see what happens.
I would have to think that Tua is getting really close to figuring it out anyhow.
I would think.
You're going to figure this out. What is Miami's record for chips?
They are now two and four.
Two and four and they are how many newest league their division?
Buffalo's probably leading it. Let me see what Buffalo's. Buffalo's going to be five and two.
Okay. They're reachable, especially since they play Buffalo.
Yeah.
I thought you'd have to start playing a hell of a lot better than you're doing right now.
So are they going to do that?
I'm saying when the heads get together there and they start figuring out their decision,
they may look in today and go, you know what, we can make a run.
You're the right person. So I think that this is all up to Tua.
And if Tua comes in, you're going to have to change your game plan a little bit too and tell him, you got to be safe.
Spike the ball, go in while there's somebody, get rid of it, the one and eight.
Yeah. Yeah. And making a run is good for the team.
You know, it's good for everybody on the team.
You can point at it and say, look, we made the playoffs that year.
They even offered a rent something. I think this is true.
I read it. I forgot the source, but I looked at the sources and okay.
They offered him the special helmet, the padded one. And he said no.
Yeah, I saw these are there a Bucks player? Yeah, it was a Bucks player wearing one of the safety helmets.
And it looks a little odd at first, but God bless them. Do what you need to do.
Exactly. Protect your brain. CTE is no joke.
Yeah. Yeah. Who was the, uh, the Samoan player that even said he had CTE
and was going to kill himself? They eventually did. I forgot. Not that long ago.
Junior Sayo? Junior Sayo, yeah.
Yeah. You don't want to end up like him. You do not want to end up like him.
I don't understand why you couldn't have known him.
Yeah. There was a Steelers lineman.
I'm trying to remember his name. Justin something. I think his last name ended in a K.
It's an Eastern European derivative kind of name.
But he, uh, he I think was feeling the urge to kill his whole family.
I can't remember if he did or not. I remember he killed himself.
I think he killed himself. I think he broke down that he had the urge to kill his whole family.
So he went and took care of himself so he wouldn't. I don't know if that's how that ended. He kills Samoan.
Yeah. But good lord. All the brain hits that those guys take, it's just unsustainable.
At a certain point no one's going to want to do that anymore. It's like, yeah, the money's not worth it.
And they're just going to quit. So the NFL is going to have to change before that point to where you don't have these.
My god, how many players have been injured just the last couple of weeks and they're out for the season?
It's just they're dropping like flies.
The wide receivers are getting efficient.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of wide outs.
The wide receivers, yeah, I mean look at just the chase, but who's the wide receiver that went down, uh...
Iuke, uh, went down with Lungs. Mike Evans.
Yeah, uh, Iude is out for the season, I think it was, uh...
Oh, Deebo had the Lungs.
Oh, Mike Evans was passing. Deebo had the Lungs.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, Iude was out for the season, Deebo had the water and the Lungs.
But we'll get to that later because that right there speaks volumes about what was going on on that game.
It was much closer to the game's look, but we're going to add a little bit, or not closer, much further away than that game looked.
Yeah. All right, let's, uh, you ready to hit on?
Yes.
Okay, uh, Seattle at Atlanta, uh, Seattle won 34 to 14, uh, we both picked Atlanta.
I picked 27-13, you picked 24-14.
Ah, 10 passes.
Yeah, two picks, you know, he threw two interceptions, and that was kind of, I mean the stats are pretty good for Atlanta,
but those two interceptions kind of sealed the deal.
Well, we talked about this many times before, you can never trust a Kirk Kessler school.
Yeah.
Uh, all right, a great guy, very cool guy, really nice guy, very neat, very humble, loves his family,
the ideal person to want to live next to you, but not the guy to lead your team.
Yeah, he'd be the guy that you could completely trust to run your child's high school sports program,
because he's a decent, trustworthy, and honest kind of person, but as far as taking you all the way to the championship, et cetera,
he just doesn't have that kind of fire and drive.
No, I agree.
He's got some.
He's the kind of guy that goes, he goes head and nose most of your lawn, because he knows you're out of town.
Yeah.
He's that kind of guy.
Fantastic person, but they don't want it.
They don't want to run your football team because they take your system.
Yeah.
He'll wash two-thirds of your car.
Yeah.
Oh, that cousin's got me again.
Look at that.
Yeah, they're saying he sniffs the towel lines.
Yeah, I mean, he's a very good cousin.
That's why he's never really even sniffs the promised land, just because of that.
Yeah.
No kind of thing.
He's a gay and a Christian.
No one gets offended, would they?
But you know, for the NFL, it seems like Christians kind of go in with one hand tied behind their back.
It's so weird that in so many other parts of American culture, Christianity is looked at favorably.
It's like the desired thing.
But if you're a football player, it's like no one can stand it.
Well, pretty much ruined Tim Tebow, didn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
They just defined him as God Boy, or whatever the term they used.
And they just insinuated that he was always going to be wimping out.
He's going to want to shake their hand instead of hitting them.
Yeah.
So I don't understand how in football, suddenly Christianity is a detriment.
It's weird.
Well, there's some of the Holmes.
There's a Mahomes type, too.
And there's other ones I'm not even thinking about right now.
But they're the kind that are Christians, they don't come out there and they'll say fuck, and they'll say shit, and they'll scream at people and get into fights.
Yeah.
They're the French Christians, I guess.
I can't even call them that.
I don't know their faith.
Yeah.
Okay, but Mahomes is pretty, you know, he's a family man.
Same girlfriend, now his wife, all through his life.
Very stable, very intelligent individual, strong faith.
But he's not afraid to get his hands dirty.
Yeah.
So I think someone like that is okay.
And there's other ones, too, because I see them praying with him before a game, but they're the kind that'll come out and hit you in the face and call you a stupid fuck.
But they'll ridicule you, they'll flick their finger in your face, but at the same time, if you fall down into it, they're the first ones to pray for you.
Yeah.
So there's two different kinds, where Tico seems to be the kind of guy that's like him.
I don't think I want to hit that guy that hard.
Or at least he's pristine.
He's pristine like that.
Yeah, yeah, like in boxing, if your opponent has a cut over their eye, you're supposed to just start hammering that cut in that eye, because that's their weak spot.
But some guys are like, no, that's wrong, and I'm going to win honestly, and I'm not going to do it that way.
So it's a choice.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, in boxing, the weakness you see is where you go for it, and you keep pulling on that weakness until they come out from it.
And the NFL does that in a limited extent, like any time a corner gets injured and goes out and they bring in his back up, that's right who they throw to.
I mean, they test that corner right away, because that's the weak spot.
So it's part of the game, but there's a line.
Yeah, well it's just like right now, Herb is hammering on Travis Kelso because he's virtually, I mean, Murphy is still developing, very good player, but he's still developing, I know the office, and what do you do? You go after Kelso.
Yep.
You know, I mean, yeah.
He's getting bold.
Yeah, he is too, but I think he's going to be more of a playoff guy.
Playoffs?
Playoffs!
I think you're going to see him emerge later on in the year.
Yeah, true.
All right, next up on our list is Houston at Green Bay.
Green Bay wore those weird all-white uniforms.
They looked like a stick of spearmint gum, didn't they?
It looked like they should say, we're going to be on them.
Yes.
Yeah, I don't like those uniforms at all.
No.
How do they run with those uniforms? I'll go a step further.
How do you run with those uniforms? Don't you feel like a complete individual?
Really?
I mean, you wear one of those.
And I think the fans are catching on that all these alternate uniforms only exist because they want to sell us different versions of the same uniform over and over.
And I think people are kind of getting wise to that.
It's like, yeah, I already bought one of your jerseys.
I'm not buying four more just because you changed the colors every week.
I agree.
Yeah, especially with what they charge.
I don't think people are running out and getting a special design anymore.
First it worked, now people just don't care.
They're like, oh, another one? Whatever.
But it is the smart business thing for the NFL to do, is to keep trying and keep trying.
And even if people quit buying these alternate jerseys, maybe you'll come up with one in a couple weeks that really catches on and all of a sudden everyone's buying it.
So they're going to keep trying.
You're going to see some really weird jerseys out there because they're trying to figure out a way to get you to buy more.
Oh yeah, and they're constantly having people employed.
That's all they do.
Yeah.
So, yeah, and they do it very well.
So, I mean, you know, the NFL is a very smart lead the way it's ran.
Yeah.
Good bell, big of a pain in the ass as he can be.
He's doing things right. He's really expanding the lead.
He's making everybody a lot of money.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, he's doing things that people may not necessarily like, but they work.
Yeah, true, true.
And, you know, if you were one of the owners of an NFL team, you'd be on Goodell's side because he's doing what you want.
So it's just a matter of perspective.
I mean, you know, we're the fans.
We're having to put up with all the crap he's coming up with.
But if you were an owner, you're like, hell yeah, let's get this guy over for dinner and thanking.
Yeah, well, yes, that's true, like the London Jaguars.
Yeah.
The London Jaguars, I like that.
The London Jaguars.
Yeah, because the Jaguar is a British car.
So yeah, yes, you got it.
Yep. Great time.
All right. Anyway, we were talking about Green Bay and Houston.
Green Bay won on the last second field goal, 24-22.
We both picked Houston.
You were 27-24.
I was 28-17.
Houston is still having problems with tough defensive teams.
Yeah.
CJ Stroud was 10 of 21 for 86 yards.
That's it.
Yeah, that's it.
That's shutting down.
They do.
That is shutting down.
Like we were talking about and we both agreed with earlier in the year, they have a near and some paint on the sky.
Now it's up to the Houston offensive furbators and the head coach to figure out something to get this guy's original flare of his ass back before it ruins him.
Yeah.
It's a very time-sensitive issue.
It's going to be interesting because the guy has all the talent in the whole world.
You don't want to destroy him now.
They made bleeps and bounds the first year.
They got to the playoffs and won a game.
He was throwing these downfield passes that were dimes.
Yeah, you got to get that guy's confidence back to him.
Yeah, it looks to me like the edge rush kind of gets him pretty bad.
I don't think he's used to hearing footsteps behind him.
Yeah.
Well, Houston's leading receiver had one catch for 28 yards.
That is shutting down all the way.
It cannot happen.
Damn.
It cannot happen.
I know I sound like Webb Dawson when I say that, but yeah, you cannot have that.
Remember you did that?
We would get out there and on the game.
And as soon as he saw it coming, he'd go, you cannot have that.
He would get so indignant.
No, I loved it.
He didn't care if we missed off or whatever.
He would say it like it was.
He'd go, the quarterback cannot grow on his back.
Yeah, the later in his career he got as the radio guy, the more he told it like it is.
And boy, I miss that.
Because there's nothing but positivity now.
They say everybody kisses puppies and goes to church.
Everybody's an awesome, wonderful person.
It's like, I don't believe it.
Tell me the reality, please.
I think what would be wrong when he got older, when he wasn't so much a combinator,
but just a chiming guy, I think is what you call him, you know?
And he would have comments here and there.
He wouldn't even talk about people in practice.
But he wasn't mean about it.
No.
He would say, this guy in practice wasn't excessively productive or whatever.
He looked at well or something.
He would state what we didn't see.
Yeah, it wasn't the same old BS that coaches and players say at the press conferences
because they're trying not to say anything at all.
Len Dawson actually told you something.
Yeah, and he had nothing to prove to anybody.
And I loved it. It was great.
And another thing I loved was there was no bigger bad effect from the homes of Len Dawson.
Yeah, I'm glad they got to meet before Lenny passed.
I did too.
He was so jazzed about it.
He knew that this was the guy, and he was just so pumped.
I mean, he didn't care that he didn't want to be the last guy to win a Super Bowl in Kansas City.
He wanted to watch Kansas City win 30 of them.
That's kind of the guy he was.
Perfect guy.
And everyone I know that that is a gentleman.
Beautiful person.
When Montana came to Kansas City, Len Dawson would not un-retire his number for Montana to bear.
Because Len Dawson was 16 and Montana was 16.
I think Lenny Dawson would have un-retired his number if Patrick had wanted it.
That's how much he liked him.
Yes, I think there was a little bit of an ego with Montana.
I think Dawson was like, yeah, I'm not going to do it.
Nope.
And I agree with him.
I agree with him.
Especially now.
Yeah.
You don't un-retire a number for some free agent who comes in at the last second of their career.
You do it for a franchise guy who's going to be there for a dozen years.
Yeah.
And it seems like this too.
I always put stuff together like I always talk about the Kesley Plain connection.
Okay, 15 and 16 were 88 and 87.
Or, high density.
Oh, yeah.
Two old-timers and two of the best of all.
Wow.
Cool.
Yeah, so that's me.
My fucked up mind.
Yeah.
All righty.
Let's go to Cincinnati at Cleveland.
The final score was Cincinnati 21-14.
I had picked 34-10.
You picked 20-19.
So you were closer.
It was a closer game than I predicted.
And this is going to be remembered.
I don't know why I even did that.
I can't remember my reasoning, but go ahead.
Yeah.
I think this is going to be remembered as the game that gave Cleveland a face-saving way to get out of the Deshaun Watson experiment.
They are.
This is going to be in bullet points, but they are under a lot of criticism.
It may be Deshaun Watson, but you can cheer a guy getting parted off the field.
It may be a career ending injury.
Yeah, yeah.
I've been seeing some things about that.
I've even heard one place replay the audio.
And it's like, that doesn't really sound like cheering.
That just sounds like normal crowd noise.
Well, maybe that's not the right clip then.
It may not be the right clip because there are a lot of criticism.
And the thing is, if you're going to be better than somebody, be better than.
You know what I mean?
And I'm talking about personally, as a person, as a personality, as kindness and love.
If you're going to be like, that guy is a bad guy because he did this, then don't cheer him when he's on the ground crying and his leg is almost empty.
Yeah, that's kind of a Philly fan thing to do.
Yes, you know what?
We may question your character, but we love you.
You're a person and we wish you the best.
Yeah.
He's almost dead.
Yay!
That's just kind of weird.
It is.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, put that down one machine.
Yeah, let him go.
Let him go.
Yeah, so anyhow, yeah, I mean, what more is there to say?
Cleveland is in a spiral.
They can never make the right decision after Mayfield.
We always said, you and I both were like, what did you think we said?
Mayfield got a wrong deal there.
He did.
He was injured and hard to throw because of his shoulder.
And they said, oh, horrible here.
And I'm like, what do you mean a horrible here?
He was out there when he should have been.
And he's doing really well in Tampa Bay.
He's not winning every game, but he's playing well.
No, I agree.
This is funny.
People are looking at me up here like I'm talking to myself.
It looks like it.
Yeah, but it looks like a different one else.
I am talking to myself.
Yeah.
Well, one bullet point I took away from the Cinti Cleveland game is nobody could run the ball.
Chase Brown got 15 carries for 44 yards.
And Cleveland's running back had three carries for 44 yards.
That was it.
Yeah, well, OK, here's what I got to say to that.
Joe Mixon isn't tearing it up either.
So Cincinnati had some cloth to pick up with.
Yeah.
Joe Mixon doesn't look very well down there either.
That's true.
Yeah, I don't think they had to answer running back, although it kind of looked like they did,
unless it is systems, but who knows?
I know Cincinnati looked like the team to be for so long.
Now they look like the team to be.
Yeah.
They are really going in an awkward direction where they kind of lost their identity.
If they win, it's got to be by like 37 to 35.
Yeah.
Usually.
Yeah, Cleveland stopped them very well.
I mean, you know, people are thinking they were healing, that they have an easy schedule,
but now I'm not so sure because with an easy schedule, you have to be better than the other teams.
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
And, you know, they beat Cleveland by a touchdown, but it was on the back of them losing to Sean Watson.
And really, they should have won by three scores if they're the team that you want them to be.
I remember Cincinnati being a high scoring team.
I mean, they were never the grinded out kind of team.
They're always high scoring.
I know, and Joe Burrow is the kind of guy that would make that nine throw with the very end just to get it.
They go, OK, here we go.
Yeah.
Games on the line, Joe Cool out here, no big deal, watch this.
OK, there you go.
I'll see you guys next game.
Not so much now.
Yeah.
We'll see.
I mean, they still have time to get better, but they do not look like the team of the past.
No.
With Joe Burrow.
Yeah.
With their lead.
All right.
Next up, we have Philly at New York Giants.
Man, Philly just went on cruise control, won 28-3.
We both got that ride.
I picked 24-13, you picked 32-27.
Neither one of us thought the Giants were going to score so little.
Yeah, I know.
The Giants are the Giants, I guess, at the end of the day, aren't they?
Yeah.
Saquon Barkley came back and just ran all over his former team.
Yeah.
I didn't put that in.
That's my fault.
I didn't put that in.
I didn't mean to be a separation.
Yeah, I didn't remember that either.
I don't have an action ride, but obviously he has something like that.
Yeah.
17 carries, 176 yards, so he's averaging 10 yards of carry.
Yeah.
Well, I think it speaks to the fact that Philly and Philly have served that great, that again,
the Giants took the start of that cruise.
Yeah.
And also, you got a guy that had an action ride, he was definitely grounded.
He took it to the heat now, but he had to go to the heat up.
Mediocre Dan Jones was 14 of 21 for 99 yards.
Oh, Daniel Jones, got the big contract, Daniel Jones?
Yeah.
Oh, him?
Didn't even break 100 yards.
Yeah.
Already did.
Yeah, him.
But, Andy, how about I'll go into this later, because it seems like it's become a defensive
league again.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
I guess the last franchise quarterback the Giants had was Eli.
Mm-hmm.
And then before that, I can't...
Before Eli, it was with Phil Simms?
Was it that long ago?
Well, Eli wasn't exactly the best quarterback ever.
No, he didn't.
He played well, you know.
He got into the Hall of Fame, because on the back of those Super Bowls.
Yep, yeah.
Two Super Bowls and the manning name on the back.
Yeah.
And he beat Brady.
Yes, that was probably the biggest thing there.
But that was more of a Spagnolo.
That was a Spagnolo thing.
He did make some great throws.
Yeah.
Because Spagnolo, he countered Newton to England so well that he built the spike in the lead.
That was one of the few times I've seen Tom Brady in a Super Bowl look kind of confused
and not in the pen and lost.
Yeah.
But he's not a bad-done Super Bowl player.
You know what?
Because personally I'm wondering how long the Giants are just going to be in this holding
pattern of not being very good.
It's been a long time, hasn't it?
The GF, I think, is a lot of fans here.
Yeah.
And I think they start considering making some big changes in the front office.
I think this is what you're going to get.
Labyrinth Rinse for Pete.
Yeah.
So yeah, Philadelphia isn't necessarily that good.
They might make some playoffs, but I look for them again to keep estering in the playoffs
like last year.
Just kind of maybe one and done.
Or maybe it's just a little past the lesser team, but then that's it.
They hit the wall.
Yeah.
And I go ahead and I'm going to say this again.
Hurts.
Hurts is a guy waiting to be hurt.
Yeah.
No pun intended.
Yeah, okay.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, he looks like a broken leg in traction.
Wait.
Yeah.
A guy his size cannot take that many chances.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's funny.
You and I both know it's going to be his legs.
I mean, not his shoulder, not his back.
It's going to be his legs.
It's going to be his legs, yeah.
And there's going to be a point in the season where you and I go, well, we discussed this
a few times now.
Yeah.
Look what happened.
I'm not saying we're brain-stirred, but I'm also saying we're not stupid asses.
Yes.
We pay a little bit of attention.
A little bit, yeah.
Not much, just enough to get us by.
All right, you ready to talk about the Raiders and the Rams?
Oh, the Raiders, what's his name?
David O. Pierce said he has figured out the way to beat the Holmes, he said this yesterday.
That guy.
Oh, you've got some balls, Donnie.
Yeah, the Kermit the Frog people.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, let's talk about them.
Let's talk about them.
All righty.
Final score was 20 to 15.
Weird ass score.
You had the Rams 27-13, you had the Rams 22-14.
So, again, you were really, really close on predicting the score.
I don't know how I'm doing it, so I don't know how I am.
Let's see.
Look.
Yeah, it looked like a lot of field goals for the Raiders.
Gartner Minshew was less than 50% on his passing and threw three interceptions.
But Jack O'Neil, this is why he's a better quarterback.
They should do another commercial where he hits the fence.
You know, I could have sworn I heard they were going to start at O'Connell, but maybe
that was last week.
But they just keep going back and forth and back and forth.
Well, that's when the Bombs and Pierce should not be mouthing off like that when he can't
even figure out his quarterback.
Yeah, I remember a Royals season a few years back where the lineup changed pretty much
every game.
Yeah, that's the Raiders.
Yeah, and the Royals had a really bad season that year.
I remember that, yeah.
And then, you know, if the Raiders don't have anybody quarterback, then just pick one and
go with it.
Don't keep flip-flopping them back and forth.
Pick your sacrificial lamb and go further down the list.
And that screams of O'Connell.
You won't mention it, you'll back up to whoever your real guy is.
But O'Connell should be the bridge player, if you will.
The guy that he's not putting in any house.
So here, here's the job for four years.
Enjoy.
Yeah, it's weird.
I don't know what else there is to do.
In fact, Dad, I've been really interested to see the Chiefs Raiders game coming up.
Oh, yeah, that's going to be good.
There were no touchdown passes in the game between the Rams and the Raiders.
And let's see, the Chiefs defense is much better than the Rams defense.
Yeah.
Okay, I wonder how they play off beating the Holms with no touchdowns.
Oh, Stafford threw a pick and Minshew threw three picks.
Stafford looks like shit.
Yeah, he's not doing well.
He was 14 of 23, 154 yards.
How old is Stafford now?
Good question.
He is 36.
Okay, he might be descending.
I don't know how well he keeps the Chiefs.
Yeah.
He might not be in very much offensive line projection.
Projection two, that might be part of it, but still.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we've got to play wiser when that happens.
So, Stafford's just not having a good year.
No, he's not.
Is he like that one Super Bowl guy?
God is God.
I think so.
I mean, that's the way it's looking.
I'm having to move my equipment around a little bit.
Sorry for the noise.
I had used a table beside me, and I know my voice keeps cutting out when I turn to look at the display.
I thought it was my blue jib.
No, that was me.
This is going to work a little better.
It's free.
Yeah, it took me until an hour into the podcast to figure it out.
Sorry.
That's our ammo when they're right back at home.
Relax.
Free.
I'm sorry.
All righty.
Well, let's see.
Looking over our predictions for this week, you predicted a lot of wide margins, and you were right a lot more often than I was.
I was picking close scores, and I didn't do so well on that.
Our next one up.
This is the time of year where the week can start to set in.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't take that into account.
Yeah, the separation starts getting wider and wider from this point on.
Yes.
Yeah, and you start building traction November, end of October, and then December, you'll be going guns and blades if you're going to be a team that's going in vertical.
Yeah.
Well, up next we have Carolina and Washington, a tale of two different, very different teams.
Final score was 40 to 7.
You were very close at 35 to 10.
I picked the winner 21-10, but I wasn't very close on the score.
The interesting thing was, who was the guy that did this damage?
It was not.
It was not the new guy.
It was not General Daniels.
Daniels, he went out very early in the game.
That's true.
Yeah.
The backup is the guy that did this.
I can't think of his name right now.
Marcus Mariota.
Mariota, yeah.
Mariota is the guy that did all the damage.
It was not J. LeDaniel.
Yeah, he was two touchdowns, 205 yards, 18 of 23.
That's pretty good.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, he come and he showed up.
J. LeDaniel is all the way to status.
Is he out or is he coming back?
I'm trying to find her.
Oops, that's not working.
I'm already had my eyebrow raised because you already have an injury that took you out most of one game.
Yeah, I'm not finding anything on J. LeDaniel right now.
I can't use my phone because that's how I'm getting used.
I'm outside on a balcony and I can't see my phone very well and I'm wearing shades or Bluetooth.
So, you know what, I hope you say that like that.
We'll address it next week.
But I've already raised my eyebrow.
The guy is already out for most of one game.
So, you know, I mean, there's been a lot of players that are supposed to beat the next guy and we were really high on him.
Now, is he going to have an injury from career?
Man, that would suck.
Let's hope not because he's fun to watch.
He is really fun to watch.
I hope that's not the deal.
Maybe that was a knock on him coming out of college by no one else.
Oh, maybe so.
Anyhow, that's remain to be seen but I've found it amazing that Marcus Murray-Oden has anything left to pick at at all.
He's bounced around so much.
It's amazing.
I mean, that guy's been punching the face so many times.
He's just bigger.
You hear Andy Dalton's stats?
Andy Dalton being Andy Dalton.
11 for 16.
93 yards.
Two interceptions.
Okay, well that's where the 40 of the points probably came from right there at short field.
But still, Murray-Oden took advantage of the short field too.
So there's a lot to be said.
Yeah, you get a short field but you still have to score.
I don't really remember Andy Dalton throwing so many picks when he was a starter.
No, he wasn't.
Why don't you put in Young?
Why don't you just put in Young?
I don't think Young's hurting anything under the red rock.
True, true.
Yeah, I mean, okay.
Logshting got away.
He went back and forth bad.
But I hope Dave Daniels comes back because I want them to win that division and go for it.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, cowboys are basically giving up any chance.
So the commanders might as well take the division.
Yeah, yeah.
They might as well take it.
The cowboys are just sitting there going, here you want it?
Yeah.
Here.
Well, here's a fun one we can talk about.
Kansas City at San Francisco.
Okay.
Should I give them the one full of points right now since we're talking about it?
Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
Okay.
Did Kansas City destroy the dynasty before it began?
I think so.
I think we saw this budding dynasty and we just kind of stomped it back into the ground.
I think so too.
And I also go back to something that Stephen A said.
And he said there's a lot of quarterbacks that should have won rings that are not going to
because they have a guy named Patrick Mahomes in the league.
Yeah.
You could say the same thing about Elway and Brady.
Exactly.
A trade green probably could have won at least a championship game.
Yeah.
But Brady from Super Bowl was for Brady and Manny.
Yeah.
And Kirk Warner too.
Yeah.
So the same thing's kind of going on here.
So yeah, but now we're in their head so bad that when we start kicking them they just
fall down.
Yeah.
They fall down and they have no answer.
They started losing their discipline.
You know, the penalties started spiking up and they started looking like they weren't
sure what was going on.
They were just in disarray.
I mean they got brought up.
And I can say just with this, with the injury list, Iook is out for deceiving, torn MCL
or ACL.
The highest class I knew they didn't quite know was one or the other.
It's torn.
He's out for deceiving.
Yeah.
And then you have, was it Kittle?
No, no, Samuel.
They had Prudence once.
He got hit so hard.
Yeah.
There was another wide receiver.
I can't remember if it was this team or another.
They had a dislocated ankle.
They didn't show the replay because it was so ugly.
Okay.
Yeah.
I can't remember who that was.
I think that was a different team.
It was just another wide receiver getting killed.
Yeah, it was another wide receiver getting murdered.
Okay, brought hurting through the interceptions.
Not necessarily his fault.
I mean, my God, what did he do when you have Carlos just come around the back and you could
see his hands literally coming at you.
Yeah.
You see Chris Jones from the front with his hands up in the air.
It's like a wall in the wall, a wall behind him, a wall in front of him.
He was smothered, covered, destroyed defense and they had no, they had no idea what was
going on.
They had no answer for it at all.
No, no.
I mean, even McAffrey, I think the outcome would have been exactly the same.
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I think that this team is in disarray.
I think that you may not even see him in the playoffs this year.
And like I said, I think the minus team may have been destroyed before it began.
Yeah.
By the hands of Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, George Marlovis, Reid, all the
other teams.
And this is without luxurious team.
Yeah, that's the fun part.
Yeah.
So we both agree that the Chiefs destroyed the 49ers' dynasty before it began.
Okay.
The Shanahan revolt has begun.
Rock purty was being chewed out for five minutes at his locker.
Wow.
And the video came out because someone doesn't like Shanahan.
Yeah.
It has been a team personnel or a team player.
Yeah, that's right.
They were outraged by this and they posted it on X or Twitter.
And then we haters came out.
And obviously Shanahan has felt a lot of that role right now.
One guy wrote, the Shanahan revolt about purty being chewed out.
One guy wrote this, this guy is the same one who abandoned the run in the Falcon Super
Bowl 28-3 over the Patriots.
Oh, yeah.
And they were beating the hell out of 28-3, I believe, right?
Yeah.
And then he decided he was going to throw the whole seven half and guess who won?
Yeah.
He abandoned it.
But there's so much more that people are writing about.
They're saying about his game plan, about undisciplined team, about not knowing the
rules of the overtime in the Super Bowl, about some of the questionable picks that they had,
about him ruling these people, misusing people.
They revolted because people are not revolting against purty.
They're behind purty.
Because purty is doing a good job still, even three interceptions, like I said.
You can't throw the ball on your back.
So, yeah, I mean, he did everything he could, and there's nothing he could really do.
I mean, he's just getting the story at every angle.
So, Shanahan, let's say Shanahan is not coming up with the right game plans, knowing how
to beat these people, and I think I agree with that.
You know, I'm remembering the teams, Shanahan 49ers teams from a year, two, three ago,
and they were working together.
They were more efficient.
They seemed to just have it together.
Now they're a mess.
They're dysfunctional.
They're angry.
They're fighting.
They're undisciplined.
The coaches just really lost his control over the team, and too many of the players are
just acting on what they want to do instead of slavishly following the coach, which is
kind of what you need them to do.
I think there's a lot of dissent in the locker room.
I think there's a lot of dissension.
I think there's a lot of questions about the leadership there, and I think it's going
to continue, and very possibly we could be seeing the head of this almost next year.
Yeah, all the stuff that was acceptable and you could deal with as long as you were winning
and making the playoffs, now that's all coming back to piss you off.
It's like, you know what?
This has been going on for three years, and now that we're losing, it really bugs me,
and I'm going to get angry about it.
Yeah, and also, here's the thing.
I've got to admit, Shanahan, just a little bit here, it's got to be hard to come that
close to two Super Bowls and lose both of them.
That is true.
That's got to be tough.
It's got to rip your heart out, so I've got to give him a little bit of fluctuation there.
But still, he has made some questionable decisions, and that 2-0-5-30 was bullshit.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Couldn't shoot out the offensive line.
So anyhow, anyhow, I mean, what's there to say?
I mean, Kansas City keeps winning with basically one wide receiver.
Yeah, Noah Gray was our leading receiver, four receptions for 66 yards.
Wasn't even Kelsey, it was Noah Gray.
Noah Gray, and that's because Kelsey played triple team, which allowed Noah Gray to run
free in the middle a couple of times, and he got him.
Yeah.
One of these still looked good, he's developed in, I mean, what can you say about a team
that pretty much plays anybody's game that they're playing to beat Samad.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, it's like, okay, well, I guess we're going to have a defensive team
here, but then it just turned out to just be Kareem Hunt's show.
Kareem Hunt and Matthew Fahome's making a big play when it counts.
That's true.
Murthy got three for 19.
Kelsey got four for 17.
Well, he did much better than what it would appear because he was being followed so heavily.
Yeah.
Eight different receivers caught a path.
Yep, well, there you go.
I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, the game wasn't close either.
They started taking away about two minutes before halftime.
You could see them starting to creep down to 49ers, you could see the doubt on their face.
She was looking on her face like it's happening again.
And about the third quarter, you could tell that this team was the team just waiting to lose.
Yeah, yeah.
Our MO a lot of times is we're down at halftime and then we come storming back.
This time we were ahead at halftime and we just stayed ahead.
Doesn't that tell you about a lot of the teams now and about what went on and how they feel and their psyche right there?
That is the biggest indicator right there.
They're just waiting for us to beat them.
It sounds like it.
We'll see what they do the rest of the year, but it doesn't look very promising.
No.
It's kind of a weak division that the Niners are in.
Nobody's really stepping up.
I know they're going to make the playoffs.
Playoffs?
But I don't see it getting past a team that's really well-oiled by the Lions.
Or maybe the Minnesotans.
Yeah, yeah.
Minnesotans are going to be the good ones.
Yeah, if you played them well, you probably should win.
That's pretty much the long and short of it.
Team Steel 6-0, the only undefeated team.
I don't think they care about being undefeated.
I think they care about the championships.
I do expect them to lose coming up and it will probably be to a division rival.
Oh yeah.
That's my prediction.
They're going to go in, make it lose two, make it three games because later on in the season, if they can have a lot, they will.
So if they haven't sealed up because they have a tiebreaker against some of the pivotal teams, now Buffalo's coming up.
That's a wild card.
If they can beat Buffalo, then they could probably stop three games before if they keep playing the way they are and let up on the panel and then let some people rest.
So I think that Buffalo game, there's going to be a lot more into it than people think.
Yeah, that would be alright if they're losing a game or two at the end of the season because they've got home field advantage wrapped up and it doesn't matter.
I don't care about an undefeated season.
I just want another Super Bowl.
I mean obviously they don't care about personal stats or anything except championships.
I see last season.
They're cooking a lot of bones since they had me out that last game that were not.
Because they often do the playoffs.
Playoffs?
Well that's probably something that the Chiefs talk about with new players coming in and free agents, etc.
Around here, we just want to win.
Individual stats are going to get sacrificed if it makes us win.
So if you're not okay with that, maybe we're not the team for you.
I'm sure they're talking about it right off the bat.
Situational conversation I think is just like hiring someone for a job.
So okay, the guy second in charge has a different opinion and he's going around telling people that he doesn't think that you're correct on this.
Stuff like that.
Yeah.
Stuff that will indicate the person's mindset.
Yeah.
I think that's something a lot of people think should pick up, they tell it.
Yeah, we're kind of learning Deshaun Watson's mindset was all about Deshaun Watson.
When he said he was no longer going to run as the quarterback.
And that was one of his big things is he was mobile and he was big.
But he's like, nah, I'm a quarterback. I don't do that anymore.
Well that's, he's not effective anymore either, is he?
No.
That's what made him effective was his legs. His legs made him effective.
Yeah, but he just unilaterally decided on his own, I'm just not going to do that part of my game anymore.
To heck with the rest of the team and them counting on me.
I just don't want to.
I don't want to.
Yeah.
Another thing is I think that he is so far in shame and debt.
Yeah.
He probably goes home and looks at America, you piece of shit.
Yeah.
And you know at this point it would probably make better financial sense for him to just lose his NFL career, declare bankruptcy, and then start over.
Rather than try to continue.
Yeah, if he tries to continue he's just going to be giving all that money away anyway because he owes everybody everything.
Yeah, that's what, yeah, I think the same as you. Just give it up.
He's an influence.
He spends some time reflecting on the fact that he did this to himself and he could have prevented it.
Well, I mean he could be that guy or he also could be that guy. I didn't do anything wrong. They wanted to.
Yeah.
It's everyone else's fault for not letting me get away with it.
But honestly, yeah that's right.
Honestly, do you see anyone else picking him up besides his name with Cleveland? I don't.
No, no. Why would they?
You don't need that.
All that baggage.
Yep. All right, we can go on to the next one I guess.
All right, coming up we have the New York Jets at the Pittsburgh Squealers.
Okay, I really questioned Tomlin, Mike Tomlin about bringing in Russell Wilson and Justin Fields was training very well.
I still kind of scratched my head but it worked.
Yeah, yeah. I think Tomlin's response after the game was, see this is why I'm so well compensated. I know what I'm doing.
Yes.
Anyway.
You can't hurt them.
No, you can't. Steelers won 37 to 15. I had the Steelers winning 27-24 in overtime. That didn't work.
And you had the Jets winning 28-24. We thought Devonte Adams was going to make a splash.
No, Aaron Rodgers looks like a washed up, hammered out piece of dog shit.
Yeah, a couple of bad interceptions.
No running game to speak of.
I guess when you go out on the limb like that, when you go out on the limb like that and you pound your chest like that and you make a big scene like that and then when it doesn't work out, you really look foolish.
Yes.
Nobody likes him anymore. His legacy is pretty much destroyed. He found out to be a liar on several occasions.
Yeah, all of his weirdness is not really all that attractive when he's not kicking ass on the field.
When he's kicking ass on the field, you forget. You're like, okay, cool. He's doing it. Well, he's not winning. And he's looking bad. So, yeah.
There's a famous expression, everybody loves the slutty party girl until she pukes on your shoes and then she's just a pain in the ass.
And that's exactly what's going on. I love that.
Yep. Aaron Rodgers is starting to puke on everybody's shoes.
Yep. And therefore, he is getting ridiculed. He's getting pointed at. People are laughing at him. That's what you're going to get when, like I said earlier, when you put yourself out on the limb like that and you pump this and pound your chest.
That's what happens.
And I mean, you know, he probably ought to retire after this year and go away quietly and take his trophy and put it somewhere where everybody can see.
You know, Aaron Rodgers was the biggest deal in Green Bay for a long time. And he got used to being the biggest deal in town. But in New York, he's not even close. And he never will be.
No, no, no, no, no, no. They have the Yankees now. They couldn't give a shit less.
Yeah. Now, it's like some guy who came in from another town to finish out his career here and we're supposed to all just jump on and love him. That's not really a New York thing.
I agree. Another thing is this right here. And I've touched on this before and I think you have too.
Okay, go back to Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. And Aaron Rodgers just outraged the way Brett Favre treated him. He didn't teach him anything, he was mean to him, he didn't like him.
Well, now they're friends. But anyhow, he was outraged. And then they get Jordan Love and what did he do?
Same thing.
He was going to be in Brett Favre and do Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah.
So if you're going to be outraged by that behavior, then well, better not ever do.
And then when he got to New York, he did it to Zach Wilson.
Okay. Robert Salab, we don't know the whole story on that, but I have a feeling Brett Favre had a little, or not Brett Favre, but Aaron Rodgers had a little bit to do that too probably.
Yeah. Did you just see Aaron Rodgers comment after the game? He said, yeah, man, the energy was just kind of flat. Nobody really seemed to be up for the game. I don't know what the deal was. Everyone was just kind of flat.
That's kind of like coach.
Yes, exactly. It was pretty obvious that he was through.
Now we have a temporary coach.
Yeah.
Yeah, he, I mean, actually, I'm not elated towards him just stepping down now. Let him start over.
Yeah.
The Jets were stupid forever doing it. So they get what they get and Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers so he gets what he gets. So I guess it's all justice.
Yeah, yeah. I never really understood Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets. It's like you need more than just an Aaron Rodgers. And even though they've added a few more pieces, it's still not enough.
I really thought that they added enough pieces, but now it's looking like the pieces that they added weren't the right ones. And I agree.
Yeah.
So, it was done.
Not right. Aaron Rodgers is not the leader that some people thought he was, but we all, a lot of people have questions like you and I did.
He's not the leader that you thought he was. It's showing. It's parlaying out. It is playing out in real time. And I think it's going to continue to be a shit show for the rest of the year.
Yeah, yeah. It's got to be tough. As an interim coach, you didn't go into the season thinking you were going to be running the organization. And now you've got to figure out how to use all these expensive pieces in your offense and defense.
And they all have egos and they all want to be the star. And you've got to figure out how to use them all effectively and efficiently and try to beat the other team. And he's still running the defense. And yeah.
What a mess that would be for an interim coach.
Oh, I know. Yeah. If I was him, I would just be trying to show people that I have a race under pressure more than anything else.
Yeah, that would be a good tech. Yeah.
Yeah, we're like, look, we're doing everything we can. We have a lot of issues right now. I'm addressing everything if we can do something about everything else. We're trying to have a positive attitude. We're working hard to get better.
And that's it. That's all he's got to do. People will be like, we get it.
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, this could be a very good thing for the interim. We'll see.
Yeah. With the Jets being two and five now, you know, they've got to start thinking realistically that we've got to build the team and win back the fan base and we're not making the postseason.
Yeah, but now they're stuck with Deontay Adams, too. They're stuck with him. And I'm not talking about him as a player. I'm talking about his half room.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm glad we're chiefs fans.
Yeah. You know, I really don't see the Jets doing any better now that Deontay Adams is there.
Overall, I think they're going to have about the same season that they would have had without him.
The reason they got him is he was great over there in the lodgers.
Yeah.
Now three catches for 30 yards in his Jets debut.
Now they go have a beer together and talk about the loss, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right.
Go to their darkness sweat lodge and they have an ayahuasca.
I wonder if they've both seen the little clockwork elves or whatever.
I think those of Deontay's into that stuff. Maybe he just hangs out and watches Aaron Rodgers trip balls.
That might be. It might be a shit show. Yeah.
Well, supposedly I read up on ayahuasca and heard different shows about it.
Hey, how supposedly everyone sees the same elves and stuff like that in it. So anyhow.
So anyway, these elves are busy. They are busy.
Yeah? Making toys for Santa's workshop maybe?
They don't get paid very much doing that. So they've got to be an ayahuasca elf too.
Yeah. They're moonlighting.
Yeah, they're moonlighting. It's kind of sad for the little guys.
Yeah. They need a union, don't they?
Yeah, they do. They need an elves union.
They need to get a hold of their baseball. They need to get a hold of their union.
Yeah. There we go. Yeah.
Yeah, the elves will be assumed the small markets will be completely out of business.
Oh.
We're excessively smart ass today because we're in vacation spots.
Yes, we are.
And we also know it's going to sound like shit anyhow so we don't hear.
Yeah. But what do we say? It's free.
It's free. Yeah.
Alright. Let's go ahead and show the next game.
We had two Monday night football games.
One was on broadcast TV. The other was on a streaming service.
Yeah, because I'm down here I didn't get to watch the one I wanted to watch because they don't have the streaming service.
And the platter and flats are kind of screwed. I don't have it on my phone so I'm like, ehh.
So anyhow, go ahead.
Alright. The first one, Baltimore at Tampa Bay.
Baltimore was an offensive juggernaut, 41 to 31.
And the game looked much closer than what it was.
Yeah, it really did. I got it wrong. I picked Tampa Bay 30-27.
You got it right. You picked Baltimore 30 to 27.
So we had the same scores but you just picked the right one.
Yeah. And I didn't think Baltimore was going to trounce them so bad I have to admit.
Yeah. They were just running downhill, weren't they?
I mean, five touchdowns for Lamar Jackson. Almost 170 yards for Derrick Henry.
Uh huh. Um. This is the template that they wanted.
Yeah. Yeah.
Are they there?
It looks like it.
Where is Tampa Bay not exit?
I mean, it looks like they're there. I mean, they looked so good all game long.
There was no let up. They were just an efficient machine.
It was kind of... I'm so glad the Chiefs have already played them in the regular season.
Because if we had to play them now it would be tough. Really tough.
If you ask me, the league kind of screwed them by putting them up against the people they lost during the championship game at their home right off the bat.
Yeah. I agree. So that could be looked at.
I'm sure when they saw that game, they weren't like cheering as get back. They're like, what the hell?
We gotta play them there. Yeah. Anyhow.
If...
There's a board club we're going to on that too. So, anyhow.
If you believe that the league is trying to influence games in the season, that would be a good way right off the bat to put Baltimore down behind the Chiefs and make them come back from behind.
So, it worked out really, really well for the Chiefs.
Which makes me wonder how much of it was just an accident of the schedule and how much was, oh, let's do this because it'll be exciting.
I think it's a little bit of both. I thought that they knew some of the repercussions of it.
But they also knew that the interest would outlay the why are they doing this.
Yeah. Yeah. I think when they found that the Chiefs and the Ravens were due to play each other, they're like, yeah, here we go.
First game of the season. Thursday night. Everybody watches. Ad Arrowhead reigning Super Bowl champs. Oh, yeah, we got to do that.
And Baltimore just got dragged along for the ride.
Yeah. And like I said, I mean, I'm sure it was like, woohoo, we get to play these guys again. I'm sure it's like, oh, shit, what did they do to us?
You're like, oh, I fucking hate Arrowhead, man.
Yeah, because they were flat shut down. They only scored 10 points in that championship game. So, you know, I'm sure they were like, what the hell?
Yeah. So anyhow, worked out great for us. But yeah, Baltimore was out ahead big early and then Tampa Bay tried to make some comebacks, but you know, didn't didn't pan out.
There's some garbage time scoring. So, no biggie. Yeah, there was a lot of garbage time scoring.
And it actually kind of made it look like it was a close game, but it was anything but. Yeah. Yeah.
And then the second game was the Los Angeles Chargers at the Arizona Cardinals. Cardinals won 17 to 15.
You had picked the Chargers 17-10. I'd pick the Cardinals 23 to 17. Oh, you were not that far off.
Yeah. Kyler Murray looked pretty good. He ran for that big ass long touchdown.
Well, this is what they thought caught more of what Kyler Murray was going to be. They thought he was going to be a run guy setting up the pass.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was only about 50% on his passes. One pick, one touchdown, 150 yards.
So it wasn't really like a stellar quarterback performance, but he did enough to win. Definitely.
Yeah. Hang on one second. I got a little business to discuss. Are you going to go to that shop?
Okay. Go ahead. If I got a bug out of this place and they come up knocking on the door, I'll just take everything down to the cars.
Okay. Yeah. Go ahead and take a shower because I don't know when they want us out. So. All right. All right.
Anyhow. Okay. Where were we? Kyler Murray is doing okay stat-wise, but he did all the things they needed him to do to win.
Yeah. And this is the guy they thought they were going to get. And it looks like they're kind of they got rid of Kingsbury.
So I think maybe this they're going a little bit more towards what they thought they were going to do.
Yeah. That'd be odd if Kingsbury was the problem all along.
Well, I mean, there's something about these coaches that come from the college playing type of team.
And I can go to the homes on this. Everyone was wrong, though, but the homes is what work is still not good, but he's doing it.
Yeah. Kyler Murray had a lot of he had a lot of flaws, too, but he had a lot of success.
He was just in the way where you got to play with what he does, just like the chiefs play with what the homes does.
True. True. I think that there may have been some of that tried to make him something that he wasn't.
And now they're kind of like, OK, we think we got it now.
We're going to have to do the approach games like this and let him run first.
And then if he makes a big pass, great. If not, then we're going to live for another day.
Yeah. And also the defense is better, too.
So that's. Oh, yeah. I mean, Justin Herbert actually had a decent game passing.
He was three fifty yards, twenty seven to thirty nine. But no no touchdowns.
I had that kind of surprise me with no touchdowns deal.
But you know what? I mean, they're doing pretty well the way they're doing it.
So why not just keep going? Yeah.
Not much of a running game for Los Angeles this this week.
They're like, what was it? Forty yards for Dobbins.
So they couldn't they couldn't run on Arizona. They could pass all over the place.
They just couldn't get it into the end zone. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. Well, I kind of look for Arizona to keep keep on the pace that they're doing.
And I think they're going to continue a little bit better an inch at a time.
And I think they're going to keep Kyler Murray there because kind of speculated
whether they're going to keep him there or not.
I think they're going to keep him there and they're going to try to do the original assessment of Bill.
Yeah, that makes sense. I think Kyler Murray's definitely got a place there.
He needs some improvement in some areas, but he's he's not someone you don't start over.
No, no, no. I think there's enough there to work with. Yeah.
OK, is that the end of the games? That was it.
So we were both 10 and five on our picks. OK. Not so bad. Not so bad.
That's not so bad. It's pretty good. Yeah.
OK, well, I guess we'll go into bullet points. That sounds good.
All right. Let me let me take just a little pause for the cause if you don't mind.
No, go ahead. And we're back.
OK, bullet points. Does the NFL have a responsibility to come up with rough and the passer guidelines?
Yeah. Yeah, they need to have something concrete that everyone can know exactly what they can and can't do.
I agree because you have a bunch of people that are running in there for the kill and they have to soften up.
And then the quarterback makes a play that they probably shouldn't have played if the guy didn't know.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It doesn't seem to quite know how to go about sacking this guy.
So there's that hesitation, which gives a quarterback that's good like Mahomes or someone like that,
that extra advantage of Lamar Jackson or somebody to run or to throw that with hands.
I think there needs to be some definite guidelines and they need to stick to them.
One odd thing I saw from last week's games, there was a quarterback who was running and he was past the line of scrimmage.
So now he was a ball carrier, not a quarterback.
And somebody hit him to tackle him and hit him helmet to helmet.
And on the replay, they said, oh, well, see, that's OK, because the quarterback rules don't apply.
He's like a running back. I thought that was still fricking helmet to helmet.
And you're just going to... I know it. It was so odd.
It's like, am I in an alternate universe where they never put in the rule about helmet to helmet contact?
Yeah. No, I saw that same play and I'm sitting there going, that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
It has nothing to do with nothing. It's a foul. Helmet to helmet is a foul on anybody.
And the weird thing was both commentators were completely on board with helmet to helmet, who cares?
And the crowd didn't even react. Or if they did, they dubbed in different audio.
It looked to me like the crowd didn't even notice.
Yeah. It was just such an odd moment.
That's funny. You and I saw the same play and thought the exact same thing, which indicates to me that everybody else they're watching on TV thought the same thing too.
Yeah. Yeah, that was a stupid remark.
I don't get it.
I don't either.
Alright. This year they have opened a lot of heavy, popular, important games right off the start of the season.
Is this wise? And we just went into a little bit of that.
Well, you know, it's not unwise, because late in the season they always make sure to have division games that have a lot of playoff implications.
So maybe putting the big heavy games earlier in the season is to ramp up the excitement then and then try to keep it going all season long instead of waiting until the end to have a big spike in interest.
To me, it's brilliant. It's brilliant. And the reason is because everything you just said, you're going to have games later on that need something just out of just coincidence and also division games and also the games that can't be accounted for.
You know, like if this team beats this team, this team wins, you know, they'll be in the lead.
You know, there's so much of that going on at the end of the season. Like, let's say the Chiefs and the Ravens are in a statistical tie and the Chiefs are playing the Commanders and the Ravens are playing the Fills.
And they're both going to be very tough games. And they each have to win to stay in the driver's seat.
Those are games that come up later that cannot even be predicted.
True, true.
I think it's brilliant that they put these marquee games at the first because who was going to miss that rematch of the AFC Championship game that was just such a real nut-tucker.
No kidding.
Yeah, and then you put the second AFC Championship game on the second game of the season. And that was, you know, the second, not the second game, but the second week. And that would be Zanatti and Kansas City.
Yeah, they recreated the Chiefs' playoff drive.
Yeah, which is brilliant because what did you have on those? You had Jackson Magic, you had Mahomes Magic, you had Burrow Magic, you had Mahome Back. I mean, it was the perfect opportunity to do that in the season.
Yeah. This is what, year two of the partnership with Gambling for the NFL?
Yes.
They're still going to do some experimentation to see how they can change the season and the schedules around to make the gambling part better.
So I don't think they're done tinkering with things. I think we're going to get more changes, some subtle, some large, but it's all going to be aimed at maximizing the gambling opportunities.
Yeah, that's going to continue and they're doing it well.
Yeah.
Okay, we talked about storied rivalries in the NFL and the best ones, all right?
Right now, currently, who do you see as the best rivalries? Currently. I mean, just right now, this year.
Casey Baltimore.
Bingo.
Rolls. Rolls Baltimore.
Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to come up with an NFC one.
I say probably the Commanders and the Eagles.
Yeah, yeah. Chicago Detroit is going to be more meaningful than Chicago Green Bay this year, I think.
Yes. I think that those are great examples and those are probably some of the best. And also, virtually the Chiefs against any other division leader.
Yeah, pretty much. We've made a lot of rivals in the last five years.
Yeah, I know. We have. And we have to look at everybody like that, too, because everybody wants to knock the big guy off the shelf.
And that's what's happening.
Okay. Will the NFL suffer backlash from the old school fans due to the new popular appearances of celebrities like Taylor Swift? And there's others, too, but that's the most notable.
Yes. I think they're going to experience backlash, but I don't think they're going to do anything about it. They're not going to care.
The fans that they kind of gain or are buying the jerseys will much outweigh the old fashioned band that's like 75.
Yeah. Yeah.
He's not buying a jersey. He's drinking foot supply and cussing.
Yeah. I mean, a fan like me, I'm 63. And I much preferred the football from the 70s and 80s than what we got now.
And my opinion is never going to change. So I'm going to be disregarded, basically, because football is going in a certain direction.
And if I'm not willing to hang in there and keep up and go along, then they'll replace me. And that's what businesses do. I get it.
So I think, yeah, they're going to get backlash, but they're not going to care.
I'll also add a step to that. Okay. I care. But if the chiefs weren't so dominant, I probably wouldn't care nearly as much because the rule changes.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When?
I like people's gold.
Well, I think when the chiefs dynasty that we currently have fades away, it's going to be tough for me to keep watching football.
The same here.
Yeah. It just it's changing every year and it's not really the game I fell in love with. So at some point I'll watch my last football game and say, yeah, that's it. I'm done.
Yeah. And that's going to have to do with the chiefs and their dominance. I mean, once we start looking a little bit more mortal, I'm not going to be quite as interested.
Then once we lose my homes and other read and other key elements, probably I'm not going to be nearly as interested in it.
So, yeah, you're going to have these young up and comers that are, you know, they're going to figure out a way to incorporate more celebrities into it.
I'm sure. Yeah. Because everybody's thinking, oh, well, this is working out for them.
Here's a little side note. Think of the sport of horse racing. It would not exist at all without gambling. Gambling is such an integral part.
It's like horse racing and gambling have to exist simultaneously or horse racing wouldn't exist.
Horse racing would be non-existent without gambling.
And I think football is going that direction. I think football is going to turn into the kind of thing that just is there to be a gambling opportunity.
And that's about it. I agree. And the only reason people have a rooting interest is because of money.
Boxing is sort of that way. But still, when you have boxing, you get you get champions of various boxing organizations.
So you get, you know, a champion in this weight class champion, that weight class horse racing is like, who cares?
You know, it's just there's another race coming up. Who cares? Who won the last race? Let's just move on.
Well, there's a chopper coming up over the big hill there. I can't quite see him yet.
Somebody from Fort Lost in the I mean, Fort Leonard Woods.
Fort Lost in the Woods. Airwise, I'm sure we're not that far away from them.
No, not really. Yeah. Okay. Tom Brayden, I'm an reporter for the NFL team. Good or bad?
I think it's bad. I think too.
Primarily because it has now put a severe kink in his broadcasting career.
There are things he can't say, talk about, address because he's a part owner of another team and that would be taken as promotion.
I read up on that and he is limited on a lot of things now, which sucks because he was really starting to become his own.
Yeah, yeah. It's just a shame that ownership is the Raiders. Are you part ownership of the Raiders?
Because that's probably the only team that was interested in selling part of themselves.
Yeah, they had to try to spruce up their image somehow.
Yeah. But, oh man, he had just started his broadcasting career and now he's severely handicapped.
I wonder if the network is pissed.
Oh, I would think so. I would think so.
They're paying for this guy without any ties. They're not paying for this guy with all these ties.
Man, it's just a really surprising move on my part and yeah, I think it's a bad idea.
I do too.
He should do one or the other, but not both. I'll put it that way.
Not both. I agree 100%.
Next one. Whose leg is Skittnark Bolas humping currently?
Um, God, maybe Shannon Sharps. Yeah, Shannon Sharps. Yeah, that's it.
Is he still humping Zach Prescott's leg?
No, no, no. He's off of his stick.
He's off him.
Oh yeah, he abandoned him. Oh my God, he could not run further away from him.
After all the wonderful things he said about him, now he just turns his back.
He owes Zach a sorry card.
Yeah.
And a Bolligbee card.
Anyhow, okay, there's discussions about finally putting Pete Rose in the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame.
Good? About time? Or too late? Why now?
Um, I think probably about time.
Me too.
Again, because gambling has become so much more accepted and part of the game that Pete Rose now looks like somebody who was just ahead of his time instead of some guy who was corrupt and damaging the game.
It gets me like this, okay. They knew they were going to probably put him in, but they waited until he died. What kind of logic is that?
Just one more middle finger that the Major League Baseball gave to Pete Rose.
To me, it's just another black mark against baseball.
Yeah, yeah. It was just another way to punish him for the mess they put baseball through and all the years they had to talk about it and deal with it and clean up the mess. They're like, screw that guy. We're going to wait until he's dead.
Yeah, I agree and it's bullshit.
It is.
The next one and the last one are, are certain franchises cursed?
Yeah, I think so. I think so.
Me too. Me too.
Yeah, pretty much the way you say that. I mean, I think the proof's in the pudding, isn't it?
Yeah. It's not always just bad management or bad ownership or poor drafts or tough opponents. Sometimes the franchise itself, you just know they're going to do nothing.
Yeah, yeah. I agree with that. There's so many different... everybody can think of a team that's cursed.
Jack DeVille obviously is. I mean, there's a lot of them that are cursed and that's just the way it is.
Washington was cursed until they managed to get an exorcism going and got Dan Snyder out.
And now they look great.
Yeah, that lifted the curse definitely.
No better justice than getting an idiot like that out of there and doing well.
Before we end this podcast right here, I want to go into our next show after the NFL season, The Music Creeps, right?
Yeah.
Okay, I've got this segment on there that I'm really stoked about and it's called Alternate Universe Vans.
Oh.
Yes, and I'm going to give you an introduction to it right now. And I just want this right here on this podcast, we can listen back to it and see how it sounds.
Okay. Alternate Universe is a band that is like another band that comes up with songs like the other band did. You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Okay. So are you familiar with the band Nashville Pussy?
No, I don't think I am.
Oh, okay. Well...
Sorry.
Okay. Well, I was going to call them the Memphis Meat Flaps.
They're a big hit. They're claimed to fame with a song called Fried Chicken and Coffee and I was going to call it Pork Tenderloin and Tea.
I like this.
Do you see what I'm doing with this?
I just want to hear how this sounds on a podcast because this is one of the regular features I envision us doing. What do you think, Saul?
Oh, I like it. I like it.
I do too. So, alright. Let's go ahead and shut this bitch down because I'm not sure whether they'll kick us out and get on to the next podcast. That sound good?
That sounds good.
Alright.
Good thing this abortion is free. Who the hell would pay a dime for this shit?
Did you really sit down and listen to all that garbage they were spitting? Do you actually believe one inch of it? I didn't think so. Hang on. Game over.