From the deep inside the bowels of the city market in Kansas City, Missouri downtown property
to the banks of the beautiful crystal blue waters of the Missouri River
it is the original two, Topher and Mark, given the 2024 football predictions for the season.
You thought they were done, didn't you?
They make that much of a difference. It's a building process.
Next year they have a couple of draft picks, maybe make an acquisition.
Yeah, a key free agent.
Yeah, I can see them doing that because they have the stepping stones to build now, or supposedly they do.
And you know, as long as they're entertaining to watch, they're going to keep their fan base, even though it is rebuilding.
Yeah, they will. They have what, 30 million people to pick from?
Yeah, no kidding.
I mean, if the Mets have a fan base, they can.
Yeah, that's true.
So, yeah, that's, and the Giants, Daniel Jones is a key.
Daniel Jones is a good quarterback, but not a great quarterback.
Daniel Jones is capable of winning nine games in a season, but will he?
His arm's decent. His quarterback mind I don't put in the top 20.
His drive I'm not sure about. He's highly inconsistent.
But if Daniel Jones can hit fire like they think he can, you know, signing him that big of a contract,
and they see something I don't, then they could do a little bit better. They could do a 10 and 7.
But I say 6 and 11, probably.
Now, wouldn't you think he would have to be, the quarterback would have to have some, like, spontaneity,
and like, be able to be creative in the moment?
That's one of the reasons I'm not banking on this, because he doesn't have that. He doesn't have that ump.
He doesn't have that swagger.
Yeah, he needs kind of everything laid out in a plan, and this is the plan, and I'll just stick to this,
and I don't have to think too hard. That's kind of how I get impression of him.
I got like this. He doesn't walk in a room like my home's and go, we're going to beat these guys.
Yeah.
Yeah, we are. He's a guy that comes in the room and they're like, oh, there's Daniel.
Just a guy.
Yeah, just a guy.
So, I keep expecting someone to come over and talk. They're looking at us enough.
Yeah.
Maybe they don't know they can join in.
Yeah, push the chairs out and say sit down.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That looks more inviting.
Yeah, more inviting.
Anyhow, okay, so I'm going to go with the NFC North.
All right.
Okay.
I'm on that page.
All righty. I'm picking the Lions at first place in NFC North, but Green Bay, if conditions are right,
and Goff is the hide and not the Dr. Jekyll. He has that capability.
That's true. I didn't remember that, but you're right.
Jared Goff looks like an all-pro and the worst quarterback ever, all in one breath.
Yeah, sometimes on the same game.
He is the epitome of inconsistent, but the problem is when he's on,
he's on just like any really good quarterback, top-notch playoff, maybe even Super Bowl quarterback.
That's what they had last year, but that's what they had with the Rams, too.
They went to the Super Bowl, okay, but the problem is I've also seen him be that 4-11 guy.
Yeah, yeah.
He's going to have to have consistency.
He's going to have to prove that he is the upper-escalon of quarterbacks.
If not, I don't care how much defense they have.
He's going to throw four interceptions and lose the game.
Yeah, yeah. There are teams that win the Super Bowl,
and you can point to their quarterback and say, he's the big reason.
And then with Jared Goff, it's going to be, if they win, it's going to be despite him.
Or not necessarily because of him, a little more like, well, he didn't come in and screw things up, so we won.
Yeah, he can't scramble to get out of trouble, so if you shut him off with a good defense, he's pretty much worthless.
Yeah, he seems to have pretty good rapport with Amon St. Ross.
Yeah, he does.
Or Amon Ross St. Brown, sorry.
Ross St. Brown, yeah. Yeah, he's getting the Jets guy mixed. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. I agree.
Anyhow, go ahead with your...
Yeah, my first place is also the Lions.
Last year, they showed how tough they were.
They won a really tough season and division, and they won a playoff game.
I think they're going to build this year and be even more ready to go.
Like you, I'm a little concerned about Jared Goff.
For the same reason?
Yeah, yeah, it's just he's not as bad as others, but there are quarterbacks where you kind of wonder who's going to show up this week.
And that can really play on a teammate's minds.
He seems to be a little bit more consistent, and I'm speaking about last year only.
So I don't know this year, he could come in there and just be like have the Jitters or something.
Maybe it's the coaching staff has figured out, you know, here's how we handle this guy, so we put him in positions so where he doesn't flail around like that.
I think some of it's that.
So that would be, I've got him finishing 13 and 4.
Wow, okay.
And I think they're going to be really strong.
I think they're going to make their home stadium a really tough place for people to come in and win.
Oh, I agree. I agree.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is, is this year, the 49ers could be going there.
Yeah.
So, yeah, did they go there? Did they go there last year?
No, 49ers had the home.
That's what I thought. Yeah. Okay.
If they go to Detroit, it could be a completely different story.
Okay, go ahead.
No, that was that was all I had about the Lions because they were my number one pick as well.
Okay. Well, here's some key stuff right here.
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Green Bay could grab the North Crown.
And here's why.
Kevin Zetler, I guess is his name, Zetler.
I could never say it right.
Kevin Zetler is a solid acquisition of after losing John Jackson defensively, defensive tackle.
DJ Reader from the Bengals.
So Guard Graham Blasso has didn't go free agency like they thought.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
This will be for nothing if. Oh, I'm still reading. You know what? Forget it.
Forget I said that because this is a different page here.
Okay. Hang on here.
Dan Campbell. Let's see. What did I do with my other page?
Dan Campbell is going to be a really big, big part of keeping the Lions going.
He's he's like just the just the right coach for this team right now.
Yeah.
Hang on here. I've got to get to my page here.
Hopefully I have it backed up. Anyhow, go ahead.
Okay. So for my number two, I picked the Bears.
Number 18, Caleb Williams is going to be pretty amazing.
I think so, too.
We almost lost battery power. Oh.
It should be charging now. Okay.
I think Caleb Williams is going to have an amazing season.
The offense and the defense will be okay enough to let the Bears finish nine and eight, 10 and seven.
They're going to be kind of a thorn in the Lions side, but Lions are going to win out.
But I got the Bears in number two, pretty solid number two.
That's it. That's an interesting choice. Okay. I have the Packers.
Oh, cool. That's my number two.
And not so much because Jordan Love, but because they have a they have a really solid team.
I think Matt LaFleur is a really good head coach. Yeah.
The Bears, I think, are getting on target, but I don't think they're there yet. Yeah.
So anyhow, I put down the Packers ahead of the Bears and I'm putting them at 10 and seven.
And a playoff contender.
All right, go ahead.
So, okay, my third place is the Packers. Ironically, also 10 and seven.
But oh, wow, the same record, but same record as the Bears.
But in third place, because they're not going to have any answer for the Bears or the Lions.
They're going to get swept by them, I think.
And like the Packers of recent times, they're going to choke when it counts.
So they'll finish in third place in the division, might get a wild card game, but that's going to be it for them.
We're not that far off. No, not really.
We just have a flip flop. We have the records the same.
Yeah.
I picked the Bears eight and nine or nine and eight.
Depends on Caleb Williams, how fast he can pick up on everything.
Yeah.
I think Caleb Williams has the ability with his arm to win games.
Yeah.
And I think he will.
I think that this is no longer the graveyard for the NFL for quarterbacks.
Yeah. I think enough time and change has happened that they can kind of get out from under that legacy.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that they were in their lesson with Trubitsky and then Fields.
In my opinion, they ruined Fields. Justin Fields had a lot of talent.
Yeah.
They didn't know how to use him. And now he doesn't have any confidence.
Let's face it, Mike Tomlin can't straighten you out here, Doug.
Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So that's me with the Bears right there. So.
All right. My fourth place team, I've got the Vikings.
And we both agree with that.
I don't know. I'm going to change my end of the season prediction on them to six and 10.
I had them at about nine and eight, eight and nine.
But I think even though they got rid of Mr. Boring, Kirk Cousins.
Yeah.
I think their head coach is still going to lead them into a pretty mediocre season.
Justin Jefferson's about their main weapon on offense.
And once you take care of him, they're done.
They're done. And that's what they've been doing.
Yeah. Where did Kirk Cousins go? I keep forgetting.
Atlanta.
Atlanta. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
OK. Well, I can. Oh, yeah.
OK. I've got that figured in when you do the industry.
I do, too.
And I suddenly realized where I left my page at that I was looking for.
I can't read it now because it's done, but I have it in the back and I couldn't find it.
And I started reading the Detroit stats. I'm like, wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
The sad thing is I went three deep before I realized I was talking about another team.
What was in that muffin you ate? I know.
All right. Well, why don't you lead us into the innocent South?
That muffin didn't cost enough.
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NFC South. The Falcons.
Just paid a mint to obtain veteran quarterback Kirk Cousins.
But the wild card is Baker Mayfield. Yeah.
Baker Mayfield has shown signs of his old form in 2019
when he almost drove the Browns past the Chiefs in the divisional round of the playoffs.
I know Atlanta has obtained some helpful additions, but Tampa is their main threat.
Yeah. And Tampa could win this.
But Baker Mayfield starts being his old self, 2019 self, and gets he got a little bit of consistency.
He got a little bit of continuity. And I think if he still gets a taste of that and he still keeps progressing.
And I also like their their head coach.
Voles, Todd Voles. Yeah. I believe in him. And I think even though he's a defensive guy, I think that he has good enough people around him to
nurture Baker Mayfield back to health. Yeah. Keep him in his comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Cousins is older and it's coming off a torn Achilles.
Wide receiver Darnell Mooney was a solid pickup.
Tight end Charles Weirner was also a key game. The Falcons also obtained more potential offensive parts.
I'm just not convinced that Cousins is going to be effective after the injury, or at least not at first.
I'm leaning towards Tampa taking the division currently.
But if Cousins gets off to a hot start, any residual effects of anything else, you know, none, none retaining, he'll be fine.
Mike Evans is resigned with Tampa and this could be the key ingredient for Mayfield's success.
Old offensive linebacker Rudy Gregory assigned a one year deal with incentives. This could bolster their defense.
Former jet corner.
Bryce Hall will also help. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Safety Jordan Whitehead is another pickup. I'm currently leaning towards Tampa went into division.
But if they, but if you know, they don't get to the dance and they pull off at least one upset, one really big upset. Yeah.
So, OK, I had Falcons in third place with six and eleven. Oh, Tampa. I had ten and seven.
OK, Tampa's ten and seven. OK.
My my thing for the Falcons.
Kurt Cousins isn't the answer and they're still trying to find a solid replacement for Matt Ryan.
And they haven't found anyone yet. And I don't think Kurt Cousins is it.
I don't think he's the dynamic, powerful kind of field presence unless he's really, really hiding it.
I just don't really think he's that much of a charismatic leader.
I agree. And I think this is going to be kind of a placeholder season for the Falcons and low end six and eleven.
OK. All right. Who's going to be your first?
My my this is going to be my wild pick. OK.
Of the thing. I've got the Saints going 12 and five and winning the division with Derek Carr.
Yeah. Derek Carr is going to remain the quarterback. Yep.
And he's going to take the 12 and five. That's very possible because he is a good quarterback.
He had so many head coaches and offensive coordinators under his belt.
No wonder he couldn't get anything started. So I see what you're saying. Go ahead.
Yeah. Yeah. I think I think they're going to win the division and win it handily.
And I think that's going to springboard him into the playoffs where they're going to fall apart.
I think they're going to get him into the playoffs. OK. And then they're going to get their ass kicked.
Yeah. You know how every every season there's one team that just does way better than everyone thought in the regular season.
And then in the playoffs they flame out. I think that's going to be the Saints this year.
I think they're going to really surprise people how many games they win.
And then in the playoffs they're going to show that they're just not ready.
So that was my number one. OK.
My number two is the Saints. I have them at nine and eight. Yeah. I can definitely see that.
Yeah. And the reason is is Derek Carr is older, but he is really established.
If he gets into a rhythm, they could win one or two more games. I'm not convinced on him.
Yeah. But I think that they I think they will because I think the Falcons are going to finish third because of all the reasons we talked about Kirk Cousins coming off an ACL and older and also not being Mr. Excitement.
Yeah. So I think the Saints are going to be respectable and they could make the playoffs because then I've seen that's just the way that they are right now.
They're really kind of a mediocre league. They are. Except for the 49ers and possibly the Eagles, but probably not.
You know where they have see has like five teams that could do it. They have to. Yeah.
Yeah. You can't even really bank on the Lions yet because last year was kind of a surprise. Yeah, it was. And you don't know. You don't know what golf you're getting. Yeah.
All right. So you had Bucks and then Falcons and then Saints.
No, I had Bucks, Saints and then the Falcons. Bucks, Saints, Falcons. Yeah. Okay. I was talking about the Falcons because because of how how I think Tampa's going to win because the Falcons are going to flame out because of Cousins.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think the Saints are two and the Falcons are three. But go ahead. Oh, okay.
So since you've already been your your books, I have the books finishing second with 11 and six. You have a better record than mine, but finishing second. Yeah, because I've got the Saints blowing up.
Bucks have a lot of really good pieces. Like we were saying earlier, keep Baker Mayfield in his comfort zone and don't ask a whole lot of him and he's going to win a lot of games. That's a good key that I didn't get to. Don't ask too much from him.
Yeah. System quarterback. He's fine. Yeah. Yeah. And build the system that he's comfortable in and can take advantage of and that works in your division. Yeah.
And then it works in your division and then leave him alone and let him do it. He's not the type type of guy that can get too rattled and still do it. Yeah, I think he was at first with Cleveland. Yeah, but I think he doesn't have that anymore because of a lot of reasons.
Yeah, you get knocked around the league a little bit and you're like, All right, none of this is too scary anymore. Yeah, he's just getting his confidence back. Yeah, he's shaky. So they're going to have to do everything just right. And I agree with you. It could be a really good season for him.
Yeah. I mean, right now the high the highlight of Baker Mayfield's career has to be that he did a commercial with Alice Cooper. Yes.
It's not that Matt Moore beat him with a fourth down throw. No.
And actually that had nothing to do with him. He did what he was supposed to do. The problem is the Chiefs did it better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he is responsible for the best college game ever.
Mo Holmes versus make Mayfield. Yeah, Texas Tech against Do you go to Oklahoma State or Oklahoma? I can't remember. I can't remember. Okay, maybe Oklahoma State. Yeah. And I was like, what? 64 to 62. Oh, yeah. Yeah, something like that. So that could not quit scoring. Yeah. Where was the defense?
Not on the field. Yeah. And so let's see. I think it leaves us for the last place in the NFC South. I think we have the same team. I've got nothing to say about the Panthers. They are the Panthers. They're the Panthers. Yeah.
What I came up with, two and 15 record. Number one pick in the draft. Yeah. They're being run as a business, not a football team. I agree. Don't they remind you of the Kansas City Chiefs from about 75 till about 86? Yeah. Yeah.
It's, it's, it's there. They're there to make money. And that's all they care about. There's no effort from the owner. There's no home field advantage. They got caught numerous times last season lying about their home field attendance. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They print out. Yeah. 70,000 and change. And they show the stadium. There'd be maybe 12,000 people in there. Maybe.
It would have been better if they would have played, if they would have painted the seats their color. Yeah. But if not, it just shows up. Yeah. And they, they dubbed in crowd noise. Yeah. All their home games because there was nobody there to cheer. That's not against the rules.
Misrepresenting your home attendance is against the rules. Yeah. But dubbing in crowd noise because you got nobody there. That's not against the rules. But they're doing that over and over and over last season. Oh, they got caught probably four times doing that. Yeah. But the league, like you said, the league doesn't really, they don't really care. Yeah. They're just like, whatever you trying to sell tickets. We get it. Yeah. You're trying to make a fervor that isn't there. And you know, the people who seem to be the most upset about all this are the people.
In the hometown. Yeah. Who think their team is a ridiculous and embarrassing joke. Yeah. They're like, we're not going there. Yeah. So it's going to take something really big and dramatic to turn the Panthers around. Sure. It's like what a couple hours from the ocean. Yeah. Charleston is on the ocean. Yeah. I think a couple hour drive to the ocean is more appealing than watching the Panthers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So on with you.
And you know, I know for decades, the NFL would put up with perpetual losing teams, teams that always were just very drag in the bottom. Hey, welcome over and talk. We're talking football. Talking football. No way. In an NFL NFL season preview. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, the other football.
Oh, yeah. What's our take here? What are we discussing gentlemen? Well, we're going through all the leagues and we're picking our first, second, third and fourths. And we're done with all that we just got it done. So now we're just talking football in general. You got anything you want to add? I mean, chiefs going for the three Peets big. Yeah, yeah. Um, I think the Packers are a sneaky one. I think Jacobs might make an impact over there. I'm sure you touched on that.
We did. We did. Um, other than that, man, do you have a surprise team? Uh, Denver Broncos are going to surprise everybody. Wow. That's funny. They were my surprise surprise team would go next. Yep. Exactly. Next to the game manager. That arm is not going to talk to a while. You like that. But he'll take over. He'll make some reads the line. That's what they need. They need continuity and stability. Absolutely. All right. You guys have a good one. Thanks. Thank you.
Who's your pick for the Super Bowl teams? Super Bowl teams, Kansas City and you have to go with 49ers again. I'm sorry to do this to everybody, but if everything stays as such and no major injuries, they are head and tails above everybody else from what I can tell.
And that that would be so sweet to get the three Pete on the Niners. Oh yeah. I want to hear. I want to hear Jerry Rice after that one. Yeah. Oh man. You probably get a Billy club and come club Kansas City himself. Really? Yeah. Um, I hate to be that generic, but that's the way I see it. Yeah. Unless there is some injuries. Yeah. You know that at this point we can't take into account any injuries. No, we can't.
We just got to go with what's what's happening right now. I got a question. Yeah. Is Brock Purdy going to be as good or nearly as good as he was? I think so. I think they figured out he's got what he does well and you know what he can do and they're keeping him comfortable and happy and they're building the offensive plan somewhat around what he's best at. Yeah. And then also somewhat around what the other players are best at. But I think Brock Purdy as of last season,
they're like, yeah, this is the guy, you know, until the next big great thing comes along. He's not the placeholder. He's our guy. No, I agree. He believes that now and he's comfortable there. So yeah, I think Brock Purdy is going to be. This is the kind of thing they should have done with Garoppolo. Yeah. But during the Super Bowl, they were forced to throw the bomb because they were going to be behind really, really bad if they did. Yeah. But it ended up being, ended up being,
and I'm talking about not last, I'm talking about the first Super Bowl between them two. It ended up being their Achilles heel. Yeah. Because Garoppolo simply could not throw the long one. He was highly inaccurate. They had a chance to win. They had a receiver wide open on the 10 yard line. Yeah. Nobody in front of him. Nobody beside him. He would have ran it in and Garoppolo could not make that throw.
Garoppolo is like the singer who can hit that high note maybe once on a good night. Yeah. And that's it. And that's it. So yeah, he could throw the bomb and get lucky and complete it. But then his arms used up. Yeah. And then that's it. He can't do it anymore. And that is what let them win the game because the last play was an interception.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, it just got like, okay, we knew you guys weren't going to win. But here, you just go back to locker room. Let me catch this. Go to locker room. We can all rest now. Yeah. It's been decided. There was 1% suspense. Yeah. Now there's none. Yeah. So hey, all you yellow and reds, go home. Yep. Yep. There'll be a lot of crying in the Bay Area tonight. Oh, yeah.
Oakland's over and say, yeah, you least you still got a team. Yeah. Yeah. Oakland's man. My Super Bowl teams, Chiefs and Lions. That's a solid pick.
That would be a really interesting adversary for the Chiefs because there's not a lot of history. Most recent history was the Lions came in and beat beat our pants off. It was a legitimate beat. Yeah, they beat us in every department. Yes, they did. They gave us a beating.
So that would make it an exciting game. Lions have never been even in the Super Bowl. Let alone win one. Let alone win one. Yeah. So they won some league championships in the 50s before there was a Super Bowl. That Super Bowl didn't start until 67. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So, man, I do like that pick. And my second one that could pull it off. My question is golf. Yeah. Golf is so Jekyll and Hyde. I can't put my eggs in his basket. Yeah, I'm kind of looking at him like the Ravens were when they won with a nobody quarterback.
Do you think that Campbell has him in a system that he's going to contain him enough to not lose the game? I think so. Yeah. Well, they have good enough defense. They have good running game. They could do it. They have good offensive line. Yeah. And like you were saying earlier, the NFC is weaker. Yeah.
And a weaker division or conference means that a mediocre team has a better chance of catching fire one day and knocking off a giant. Yeah. Whereas in the AFC, it's just like an all out slugfest. And everybody's prepared for everything every week because we know it's going to be tough.
Think of this story. I don't think it's going to happen, but will Tampa Bay against KC. Oh, that would even be better than the Lions Mayfield Mahomes part two. I know the game between them two wasn't a championship game. Yeah, there's a high scored game ever. Okay.
It's part two. And also, we owe Tampa. Yes, we do. I think that'd be a great storyline. It's not going to happen. But that would be it. That would I would rank them in order as far as popularity with viewing public in general that I think people would drove to that 49ers.
Number one, yeah, lines number two bucks number three. Yeah, that those those matchups would get the casual or non football fan to watch. Yes, because of all the story. Yeah.
I think of some other key factors going on. Like, of course, injuries. Yeah. I look for a big name to go down early, like, like Rogers did last year. And some teams can fall off because of that. Yeah. I mean, it depends on how bad the injury is, and who exactly got the injury.
Yeah, yeah. And like last season Rogers was, you know, that was the foundation upon what the jets were built. Yeah. And so it was just, I mean, it's really amazing that the jets did as well as they did. I agree.
They play tough. But they kind of you can see about the 12th game. They started just giving up. Yeah, which, you know, kind of shows me that if Rogers had been there, that would have been an awesome team last year. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll wait to see on this one because Achilles tendon and 40 years old and NFL does not exactly match up very well. Yeah.
He does a lot of those alternative medicines and sweat lodges. Yeah, that kind of stuff. So who knows what he's doing to rehab that maybe isn't really helping. Yeah, he may refuse surgery or something. Who knows? I mean, he's that type of guy.
You know, if you want to add something on top, yeah, you know, go to the doctor and do what they say. And then if you want to add something on top, yeah, but to disregard what your orthopedic surgeon is saying in favor of healing crystals from a cave in Guatemala. Yeah.
And he did something that I thought was impossible. He made me feel bad for Jimmy Kimmel. That is tough. That is tough. That's very tough. When you name somebody is something like that, you better be damn sure they were. Yeah. He's lucky he didn't get his ass.
Yeah, you know, Jimmy Kimmel reminds me of is that TV show How I Met Your Mother. There was that guy who played Ted Mosby. Jimmy Kimmel looks like him, but he got molested when he was a kid.
Oh, that's. Isn't that terrible? Yeah, but it's funny as hell.
Yeah, but no, when Rogers said that about him, I was like, that's just, you know, that stuff that would make someone pull a gun on. Yeah, that stuff that people would like beat you up over.
You know, that's nothing to say unless you know for sure. Yeah.
Sometimes people say things you know publicly like that you're like, Joe Rogan podcast he said that. Oh yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. So you had millions of people hearing this about somebody that I guess isn't true.
I mean, I mean, I mean, he sure came after him after that was stuck. So I would say it probably is not. Yeah.
Let's see what else.
You got anything more.
Not that I can think of right off the bat. I'm with you that there's going to be one really shocking injury that is going to be kind of like the big injury of the season and everybody's going to talk about, you know, lost opportunity.
Oh, I got one. What first coach gets fired.
Oh, first coach to get fired is going to be whoever's in Charlotte, whoever's going to be second place would be because you know if the guy in Charlotte is first year they're not going to fire.
But who else did I rank really super low.
I'm going to say
Cardinals.
That's a good pick because he's on his third year and yeah, I think at this point. It's not so expensive if they need to get rid of them. And if Kyler Murray is out of control and screwing up the team, which she very well could be and I kind of expect them to be.
Then they're probably going to be because you can't fire Kyler Murray. No, you got it. You're going to fire the coach. No, they may not resign him, but they can't fire him. Yeah, but I'll look for him to resign him for the interim of the next guy coming up.
Yeah.
I think the last quarterback to actually get fired like that was Johnny Manziel getting fired. Yeah, because he just failed to show up. Yeah, he went to Vegas and partied missed the last flight and said screw it. I'm staying here and partying more.
He showed a charter to fly. Yes. Yes. At the very least.
Anyway, but yeah since then, teams tend to just sit the quarterback and they were trying to move him, but you just out and out dump them is a pretty big financial.
Because of plenty of good reason.
What we're referring to is the Netflix documentary I guess or series about Johnny Manziel the rise and fall of.
Yeah, a guy that had a lot of talent, but he couldn't handle it because he pretty much was pushed into college and NFL wasn't he he really that really wasn't his thing really for that much.
He enjoyed the high school football. He was really well prepared his father helped him a lot with physical training and discipline and and the attitude in high school was, you know, you're just the same as everyone else we're all, you know, equal parts, etc.
And that worked out great for him. He had all the natural ability, went to college.
And his first season was phenomenal.
Yeah, again, just all natural ability because he never studied the playbook he didn't worry about learning the plays or whatever.
Second season was mediocre, and he quit trying. He wouldn't go to practice he wouldn't work out he was more interested in all the side hustles that was getting all sorts of money against the rules you know not illegal by any means but against the NCAA rules.
One that comes to mind. Yeah, Todd Marinovich.
The Oakland Raiders. Yes. Well the Oakland Raiders did did not do him any favors, starting him against the Chiefs. Oh yeah, in the playoff round.
We had that defense that was just sick. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. And they terrorized him and sacked him what seven times. Yeah, it's kind of like what they did to Ryan Leaf. Yeah, and that was in the regular season.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much destroyed Ryan Leaf's ability to believe in himself. Yeah, it was just done after that.
So he had a Ryan Leaf had a massive drinking problem at the time, which had a lot to do with it but Marinovich was pressured into the NFL by his father, like Mansell Mike Burnham, a former Raider.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, Todd got the nickname Todd Marilanovich. Oh yeah, that's right. He started smoking weed in college to deal with the stress. Yeah.
Of, you know, all he could do was play football is all he knew, but he didn't like it. He didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, it wasn't his. He didn't have a choice. Yeah.
And then he got into the pros and he earned the nickname Todd Harrowinovich. Yes. And for good reason. For a very good reason. Yes. But that was how he dealt with, you know, my whole life is something I hate. Yeah.
And I'm stuck and there's no way out. I mean, there's a pretty good lesson in this. Yeah. Don't do that to your children. Yes. Exactly.
I was just thinking about Jake Plummer the other day. Oh yeah. He was Broncos quarterback who seemed to have it on, you know, pretty good ability and he was on some pretty mediocre teams. Yeah.
But he was on the right path. Yeah. But there was one off season where he just decided, you know what, I don't want to play football anymore. And he just up and quit.
And he hasn't been anywhere near football since. No. And the last I heard he lives very simply and he lives out, you know, away from civilization. Yeah, in the woods, the deep woods. Is it North Carolina?
I think so. Yeah. Because I don't think he wanted to stay in Colorado. No, he didn't. I think he's in North Carolina in the woods. And he was one of those guys that, you know, it was fun in high school.
It was OK and exciting in college. But then when he gets to the pros and it's all just a business. Yeah. And, you know, we know how sketchy and nasty and ugly things can get when people want their profits. Yeah.
And he probably looked around and said, man, I don't want anything to do with this. This guy was a chess piece. Yeah. In people's profits. And he didn't like it. Yeah.
I think he had a price. It's like, you can't get me to do all these things for the amount of money you're paying. You don't have enough money to pay me. I personally respect him for that. Absolutely.
He's like, this ain't my thing and I'm not going to do it. I don't care what you wave in front of me. I'm done. Yeah.
Andrew Luck. He had to step down because he just was destroyed. Yes. I mean, he had his spleen. What was it? No, not his spleen. He'd probably been dead. Right.
It was Phil Simms' kid, Chris Simms, who got his spleen fractured and the head removed. Yeah, that's right. Andrew Luck just got murdered on the field and he had to have several operations. He came back.
But then the next season, he retired before the next season. Yeah, it's like he wanted to come back and play to show he could come back from the injury and then leave on his own terms immediately.
He was a guy that had really good stats and he could have been a Hall of Famer if he could have been durable enough to stay in the NFL. Yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, but he couldn't. I mean, another thing was I think Indianapolis' front line probably wasn't as good as it could have been either. No. But anyhow, Andrew Luck could have been, but because of injuries, he didn't get there. Yeah.
Let's see. What else? Oh, the big storyline was trying to see them in the AFC Championship game, L.A. against Luck, or not L.A., Manning against Luck. Yeah. Yeah. But it didn't turn out like that.
Yeah. Another quarterback that seemed to have a lot of troubles and never live up to potential was RG3.
Yes. He seemed like he had it all, everything he needed. It seemed like he had early success, but then just injuries. He couldn't take a doctor's advice as a problem.
Oh, okay. I missed that part. He came back for that knee. I believe that's what happened. He tried to push it too hard. Yeah. Yeah. He thought he could come back for that knee injury in record time. It was never the same. Yeah.
Now, it's very possible that knee injury would have done it anyhow. True. True. Knee injuries are pretty tough to come back from. But he didn't do himself any favors by coming back so quick. Yeah.
He told everybody, I'll be back in like eight weeks or something. Something crazy. But he did. But he wasn't any good. After that, he just could not get it done. Before that, he looked great. Before that, he could run. He could throw on the run.
He brought the excitement of the wide open college game to the stodgy old NFL. Yeah. It was fun. It was great. It was fun watching him. But after that knee injury, he was never the same.
Yeah. And that tends to happen in the NFL. You get these, like Lamar Jackson's been really lucky. But you get a scrambling running quarterback. That's what I'm saying about injuries.
And teams will figure out how to stop that at the cost of your knees. Yes. And it's not like they're intentionally going after your knees. It's just they don't care.
That's my number one wild card right there. Yeah. Is Jackson getting injured because he runs so much? Yeah. Even if it's just a small injury where he can play but he's not mobile, that's going to hurt.
Yeah. And I can see that happening. I can see that ruining their season. Yep. I can see that happening more than anything else of any other team is him getting injured. Yeah. Because of the style of play.
I mean, he's a big guy and everything. But man, you know, like you said, the knees are a tough thing to go after. Yeah. And if your team falls apart when you lose one player, then maybe it wasn't so good.
Yeah. True. Oh, here's going back a few years. Another quarterback that never lived up to potential was Jeff George.
Oh, yeah. Jeff George had a million dollar arm and a dime mind. Yes. Yeah. He was immature. He was a brat. He was...
He wouldn't take responsibility. Is that Miss Goldfenstein's husband? I think it was. I think it was too. Mr. Goldfenstein. But he's a mute. Yeah.
You had to have seen it. You had to have been here. He came up and made some gestures. Yeah. With his two teeth. Yes. Yeah. Too bad we don't have video. I know. That would have been excellent. Yeah. One of these days, huh?
I didn't say anything. I didn't want to encourage him. Oh. Yeah. First I thought you wanted him to sit down and he's like, oh no, bye. Yeah. He looked like he was going to come in and they just started doing weird gestures. And it's like, nah, that's all right.
So we just kept talking and luckily Miss Goldfenstein's estranged husband has left. Looks like he is having a good time though. He seemed to be happy. Whoever he's talking to without a voice. He's doing great.
Jeff George. Yeah. Okay. Jeff George had a pompous attitude. Never went well for him. He thought he could show up and win games. Yeah. And everyone had to change for him. Yes. Yeah. Didn't work.
He was Colts and he was Falcons and there was a third team, wasn't there? Maybe the Rams. Do you remember Warren Moon playing for Kansas City? Yes. That's an odd one that I just remembered the other day. Yeah.
He played for Seattle one year too, didn't he? Yeah, he did. He was a Houston Euler. Yeah. Yeah. This, which is now the Tennessee Titans. Yeah.
Same colors. Yeah. Same colors too. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Warren Moon came over here for what? Two years maybe? Yeah, it was too. Yeah. Yeah. He was. Backup. Yeah. As a backup. He didn't have the same pass that he was doing. He was so good before. He wasn't like that when he came to Kansas City.
He was more into wife beating. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. He was one of those signings that wouldn't hurt the team and was kind of a draw for fans to come buy tickets and see. I think they're also hoping for nurturing, which I don't think they got. Yeah.
Hey, come here kid. Hey, I noticed you doing a little flick motion there. That doesn't go well. Yeah. That doesn't go well, guy. Yeah. Coach up the rookies. By the time you have flick, those linebackers are on you. You're dead in the water. You're laying on the floor. Dead meat.
Gone. Gone. Like Mickey from Rocky or something. Yeah. You lost, boy. You fucking lost. You're never coming back. You're a loser. Your life slips through your hands like grains of sand. You watch them go.
Come up and like hit him in the face. Go. You can't do anything about that. You know why? Because you're a loser. Didn't Trump say that about people who lost their lives in war? Did he? Yeah. Losers and suckers.
Oh, I remember that somebody's posting that on Facebook recently. He said you can't put up a flag for Memorial Day and then support the guy who called them suckers and losers for losing their life that way. I'll have to look for that. That's one of those things that I got to see.
Oh, I remember when he said it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. He's a draft dodger and he thought he was so smart and clever because he managed to avoid it and he thought anybody who got drafted went to war as a sucker. Yeah. And then when he got killed, he was a loser.
That's not good. Yeah. And here are all these, you know, America's great people trying to support Trump. He spits on everything. Yeah. He just took a big dump on the military and its traditions. Oh, well. There's not an answer politically. Yeah. There's not an answer.
Yeah. It's hard to remember the last really decent presidential election where we've had two decent choices. I'm trying to think. It's tough, isn't it? It is. Who did Eisenhower run against? Wilkie? Was it Wendell Wilkie? I think it was Wendell Wilkie. I don't know enough about him to say that might have been. Yeah.
The campaign buttons were, I like, I. Yeah. Yeah. But he had respect because he was a general. He helped us win World War II. Yeah. Extremely intelligent. Called the military industrial complex, the military industrial complex. Yeah. Yeah.
Who did Kennedy run against? In 1960.
I'm trying to remember that. Was it Humphrey? No, Humphrey wasn't. Humphrey wasn't until like 68. Oh. Although he was he was in there in politics. Was it Nixon? Yes. It was Nixon. It was Nixon. That's right. Yeah.
Now at that time nobody really knew what Nixon was all about so that seemed like a pretty decent choice. Yeah. Yeah. And I got to give him some credit with China. Yeah. He really did a good job with China. Hey, he started the Environmental Production Agency. He did. That was a Nixon invention.
He also was for social services. He did a lot for that. I mean, I guess he wasn't nearly as bad as people portray him. You know, he was like big on defense. Yeah. We built a lot of Minutemen missiles underneath his guide.
And you also got to remember when Nixon was building his political career and legacy was during the 50s and the 60s because Nixon was what Eisenhower's vice president. Yeah. From 52 to 58. But all the time that Nixon was growing and running as a Republican, the Democrats were still very closely associated with Jim Crow in the South. Yes, they were.
They hadn't divorced themselves from that yet. So it was pretty easy to be the acceptable alternative to the Democratic candidate, especially a Southern Democrat candidate. Yes. Yeah. Because they were still all about the segregation and the Jim Crow and the denying civil rights.
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's weird. You wouldn't think that about the Democratic Party nowadays. No. But I'm talking about in my lifetime. They were considering nominating someone like George Wallace, who was a plansman and a segregationist. Yes. That was in the 60s during my lifetime. And he got shot. Yeah.
The Democrats were like, okay, all right, this guy's all right. Yeah. Shows you how far things have come. Yeah. RFK. What do you think of RFK Jr.? He's like that meme I sent you. He reminds me of Egger from Men in Black. You know, the bug wearing an Egger suit.
You know, RFK, the big, I mean, I don't like some of the stances. I do like some of them. It just depends on what it is. His biggest issue is his voice. It's hard to believe that someone, and I know it's not his fault. Yeah, it isn't, you know, his condition that happened. But it's still hard to listen to. Yeah, it's hard to listen to. Yeah.
If he had a regular speaking voice, I think he might have been a candidate for one or the other, depending on. Yeah, I think if he had a decent speaking voice, he'd be doing reality TV right now. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Because, you know, that guy's a train wreck you'd watch every week. But that voice would just turn the viewers off big time. Yeah. So that's kind of holding him back. And he runs his whole political campaign like it's a reality TV show.
Well, that's the other thing, the reason he could never win is because he doesn't stand, it looks to me like he doesn't stand behind what he says. I think he goes for taglines. Yeah, yeah. You know, and you know, it's a good idea to be inclusive when you're running for political office. But you also got to remember all these different groups you're including. Some of them don't like each other. Yeah.
So you got to learn how to include them and keep them from fighting each other within your within your campaign. I was trying to think who Dick Cheney made up a lie, supposedly made up a lie about an illegitimate interracial baby. And it wasn't true. Yeah.
You know, and back then they probably thought something about that. Oh, yeah. You know, yeah, people thought that it is like a big deal. Not just being an interracial but the child out of wedlock. Yeah, it resonated with the people from an earlier generation who thought that was just shameful.
He was going against somebody, I think maybe the Senate or something. And he started a whisper campaign about him. And the other guy had no idea this was going on about him and really no way to defend yourself, no way to defend yourself when you don't even know what's going on. Yeah, I mean, you come out and say, this is horrible. And then you get the reputation of someone who thinks having a biracial child is a horrible thing. Yes, exactly. That's what there's like no good way to distance yourself. And it's a type of people painting them right into a corner. That's the type of people that they're dealing with, too.
Yeah. Oh, we can't have that. It's like if you walk up to somebody and ask, have you stopped abusing children yet? How do you answer that? Because it presumes something that isn't even real yet. But there's no way to answer that question and come out looking good. Someone asked him about that and he laughed. Oh, yeah, that was a good one.
That's probably the only way to do is just treat it like it's a joke. Yeah. But evidently, it worked. Yeah. So and now, I mean, nowadays, that wouldn't work at all. It'd be funny to be like, well, what's the problem? You know, and as well as should be. I mean, that's the way it should be. Yeah. But we've come far enough to where something like that wouldn't work. Well, they think of something else. Yeah. Yeah. Everything changes and adapts.
I don't know. Oh, yeah. Remember when calling somebody a commie was like a horrible, deadly insult? Wow. Pinko. Yes. Yeah. Different times. Whatever that meant. Pinko was communist. I remember some of the in grade school, some of the kids using hippie as an insult. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was an insult.
That to a degree. Dirty hippie. Yeah. Yeah. I'm proud to come from hippie roots. It's kind of like damn dirty ape. Yeah. Dirty hippie. Charleston Heston. Charlton Heston on the planet of the apes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Boy, has it come a long way since all of this happened.
Yeah. You know, it took me a long, long time to get that planet of the apes was also about how white people treated people of color. You never made the correlation. Yeah. Do now. And now it's flipped around and humans are the sub not intelligent, just, you know, beasts and only ape cultures.
But it was like flipping, flipping the roles on all the segregation based on skin color. Well, I'd like to see the education statistics now. Man. I would, I would dare to say like maybe Indian from India has a high graduation, high level rate.
And then a high level of what they learn like medical. Yeah. Yeah. The technical jobs, the specialty jobs, the ones where you really not only have to learn it, but you have to keep up to date on it. Yeah. Continually learn the whole rest of your career.
Yeah. It's funny because now it seems like schools know they're like, well, you know what? Maybe we should try to get these people over here and these ones can go to a state school. Yeah. Yeah. Well, before is like talking about going out of the country. Oh, no. They finally learned. Doesn't matter where they come from. What matters is what they know and what they can do.
Yeah. So I'm, I'm remembering a time when a high school diploma was something you actually had to work to get. And it was worth a whole hell of a lot. It meant a lot. Now it's not worth anything. Not worth a damn thing. Yeah. Yeah. And even back in the seventies, you could get a GED instead of high school. But you were looked at as a second class.
Now GED is the same thing. Yeah. Now with the GED, it's like good for you being smart enough to get the hell out of public school. Yes. Yeah. That's a good point. People were like, oh, you're a standout. Good. Good job. Yeah. Before is like this loser couldn't even go to class five days a week.
Funny. Yeah. Well, you know, it's healthy for priorities to change and things to come into fashion and go out of fashion. It's just so easy now with worldwide, virtually instant communication that whatever suddenly becomes a fad in like Tasmania could be suddenly a fad here tomorrow.
Just because we can communicate that fast. And yeah. And what used to happen was the dumb or silly or flash in the pan kind of ones would get weeded out and die off before they ever made it to be populated areas. Yeah, because they didn't have anything saving them. Yeah. I mean, it was just them in the world. And whenever it was them in the world, that was it, man. The world would take care of it.
But now you can put something on a platform and have it seen by tens of millions of not hundreds of millions of people. And you can get something to catch on immediately. Yeah. Even though it's probably just silly. Yeah. And they'll get replaced just as quickly.
When when I was going to high school in Raymore, which is like, what 1015 miles south of Casey, I noticed that that trends and slang and things would take about two weeks to a month to make that distance from Kansas City to a small town like Raymore back then. Raymore was a really small town.
I've got a good one for you. I used to listen to WLS in Chicago at night. You can pick it up here. Big flame throwing rock station had the Larry Lujacs and people like that on there. And you know, the big voice guys played in the spinning the records. They would get new music about a week before we did. Yeah. That's because they didn't have an internet to just throw it to everybody. Yeah. It's kind of like we're working our way over there. Just hang on.
Yeah. That and that used to actually be a calculated strategy is to release at certain times in certain areas. And then it looks like it's still gaining steam when it's not. Yeah. Now it's just everywhere all at once. Boom. I know it's funny because I knew a song before anyone else went on the radio here with KY playing. I go, oh yeah, yeah, that's a new Don Felder. It's called Heaven Metal. You know, he got away from the Eagles and started doing his own thing. What? Oh, yeah, you would look like the genius. It's like, you're like really hooked in, man.
Where are you getting all this info? I used to do that all the time. People could figure it out. It was simple, man. I just listened to WLS at night. Yeah. Because whatever 890 was here, they had to turn it down. I think it's a religious station. Yeah, there's never been any big station on that frequency. I think it's a low watt AM type of deal. So but speaking of that, you said something that really caught me because it's true. What did 810 WHB do their signal? Sport station? Yeah.
It's way weaker. Yeah, I can't hardly get it sometimes. It's full of interference. Yeah. So they've had to turn down because apparently somebody else somewhere has that same frequency and has more rights to it. So WHB had to turn their transmitter down. Yeah, boy, have they changed? Yeah, they used to be the big dog in town. Yeah, they used to. They're not anymore. I think Odyssey finally came up with an answer to T.V.
They didn't take the whole sports market instead of part of it. Something I noticed is Siren, their anchor show, the program. Curtis Seabolt was a guy we couldn't think of. Yeah, that's right. Siren's doing a lot of spin off podcasts.
It's probably going to be his next revenue streams. I think it is. Yeah, I mean, Keatsman's doing it. Yeah. So I mean, I think there's money there if you're well known. True. Not like us. No, no. Plus, you have to actually aggressively monetize and seek sponsors. Oh, there was something I saw the other day. First time I've actually really noticed it.
I saw product placement within a commercial. Now, I'm used to seeing tie ins. Think about it. It makes sense. Yeah. You're already paying for it. But I'm used to seeing, like, you know, Progressive Insurance did a tie in with Despicable Me movie number two or three. Yeah.
To where they would, you know, do the commercial in the theme of Despicable Me and then mention that. But this was an advertisement for like a cold medicine. Uh huh. And during it, they showed the person who took the cold medicine picking up a can of Coca Cola with the logo and label perfectly visible and taking a drink and then smiling.
Wow. It's a commercial within a commercial. Yeah. That's amazing. And they probably paid half of the, you know, half of the commercial just to be there. Yeah. Now, maybe the same parent company owns Coca Cola and this drug. That could be. Yeah.
I mean, like Pepsi and Taco Bell, you know, every Taco Bell commercial, they have a huge Pepsi ice cold in the background. Yeah. Same deal. Here's an interesting thing to look into for a future podcast is if you look back at the corporate records, you'll notice that when processed food became a big deal in this country in the like 40s, 50s, et cetera, and you can see that.
And all these food plants and food distributions and just the whole big processed food craze, the companies that got into it first and started it were tobacco companies. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Tobacco companies who had spent decades learning how to make their product more and more addictive. Don't you think did the same thing with processed food? Of course they did.
That's why the health is so shitty in this country. We're all eating addictive processed products to make somebody else money. A lot of people do not know this. Yeah. Anything in a package is processed. Absolutely. So think about that. Yep.
Unless you go buy it by the one somewhere, it's processed. Yep. You don't know what's in it, where it came from. They're not required to give you all the ingredients, just like cigarette paper. Yeah. Don't have to give you all the ingredients.
There's some bad stuff in there. Well, there's stuff 10 times more addictive than heroin. Yeah. I mean, yeah, no wonder no one can quit smoking. Yeah. They quit heroin. They quit meth. They quit gambling. Yeah. Can't quit smoking. Yeah. Nicotine is way tougher to kick. Yeah.
And it's not because of the nicotine itself. It's because of what they put in the paper because there's people that can quit chewing tobacco. Mm hmm. Pipe tobacco. Yeah. Pipe tobacco. Real easily. Yeah. Cigarettes. Yeah. Rolled up cigarette. Yeah.
Which is where they made most of the profit off of. It is. So that's the one they wanted to keep us addicted to. Then they have the subliminal advertising I told you about. Yeah. In Europe, the Formula One car, I believe it was, used to have like a big Marlboro symbol on it.
And then they said, hey, we don't want that sponsoring. You can't put that on your car anymore. Yeah. So they put a bunch of blocks on there that kind of resemble Marlboro, but really wasn't. But when they're going 110 miles an hour, it's almost the Marlboro logo.
Because they keyed it in with the frame rate of the video camera. Yeah. It's funny because technically they do not have the symbol on there. Yep. But really, mentally they did. Yep. And there's nothing the government could do about it. It's like they would have to pass new law. Yeah. It's like, what's this? Just a bunch of blocks.
Just a bunch of blocks. Do you know what resembles a Marlboro? Oh, well, I guess it does. What an amazing coincidence. Wow. That is something else. Anyhow, you done? I got to go. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was brilliant. I mean, that was somebody earned their pay that day. Yep.
Didn't you really sit down and listen to all that garbage that was being, do you actually believe one inch of it? I didn't think so. Hang on. Game over.