Hello, welcome, and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated
to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to talk about
getting home, aside from our planet. I'm your host, Enya, and today I'm joined by my Carbon
Climate, I'm co-host Adrienne. I absolutely bitched your name. I am so sorry. Hi, Diane.
What are you up to this week? My best friend's actually getting married this weekend. Very
good. So she's our first one down the aisle, so we're all past ourselves. Oh my goodness.
So it pretty much spread hands, nails and hair from now Friday morning. Yeah. Yeah.
I've got your dress sorted and everything. Yeah, sure do. Hang in there. Ready to go.
My mom will see it for me. Yeah. I love the exciting weekend. Oh, yeah. It'll be absolutely
brilliant with us being there and his friends like we've all grown up together. So it's
going to be a little fun. Yeah. You'll be you'll be sorry on Saturday and Sunday, I'm
sure. Yeah, but Monday off. Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah. So what is
your job title? So I'm an electrical engineer for a design consultant. In Belfast, yeah.
Yeah. So I actually work right in between the hard bar and the dirty onion. Very good.
That is a dangerous place to work in that they might have after work pints that must
happen. Yeah, it's a nightmare. He goes straight to the bar. Oh, brilliant. That's stuff I
worked some time like, you know, for important meeting around just at the end of the day.
Yeah, yeah. And around half or five. So yeah, yeah. Brilliant. So how long have you been
in this sector? So I've been working since I graduated just over two and a half years
ago. Actually, probably closer to three now. But yeah, I finished up uni and got into work
straight away. Very good. Yes. Did you like what university did you go to? I went to Queen's.
I actually did in my undergrad in electrical and electronic engineering. And then COVID
hit and it wasn't really, you know, everything was up in the air. So I got offered to do
a master's in sustainable development. Very good. Yeah. So just with everybody being home
full time, I was able to do it actually from my bedroom. So it kind of, I would have a
lot of interest in battery storage and renewables and things like that. So it just kind of seemed
to be the right path. And then I graduated and got a big girl job. Nice. Yes. Those big
girl jobs are always such, such an eye opener as well. Oh yeah, it's awful. But brilliant.
So see when you were at school, do you ever envisage yourself in a role like this?
Honestly, no. I had no idea what I wanted to be ever until it was fifth year, lower
sixth, you're picking your A levels. And I just picked the ones that I didn't want to
do the least. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which left me with math, physics and biology. So
then engineering was brought up at careers fairs and whatever. And I was going, Oh God,
I want mechanical. I don't think I would like that. Oh, I wouldn't like civil. It's
been electrical. And was like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So five years later, here we are.
That's class to hear. Oh my goodness. No, it was a flick. Yeah. Here. The best things
that happen life are often flicks. And that's like that happened five years ago. Look at
where you are now. Yeah. Like running this time. Okay. Well, thanks for introducing yourself.
Okay. So I'm going to ask you a couple of questions. And then also the kind of topic
of this episode, you can tell by your job title, focuses on electrical engineering and
building services. And also talking a bit more about you because you do a lot of impressive
stuff. Um, but before we get into that, okay. I've got a joke for you. Okay. So how do electrical
engineers stay warm in the winter? No idea. Okay. With foam made spatters. You can keep
that. You can tell your friends. Okay. I don't think I tell anybody. Yeah. Okay. You're like,
actually I need to leave. Oh, my park is shot. Oh, okay. So we've talked about mechanical
building services on this podcast before. Um, so, and then from your job title, yep,
we're going to cover electrical engineering and building services. So that includes stuff
like for generation transmission, supply and distribution of low voltage electricity. Yes,
this is directly copied from Wikipedia and I'm just listing it. Um, and also design of
lighting systems, mechanical plant controls and design and emergency lighting. So yes,
like the importance of electrical engineering in building construction can't be overstated.
It's it's there to ensure the safe and reliable supply of electricity and to meet the energy
demands of building. Yeah. So yeah, as a responsible for lighting, heating, ventilation, air conditioning,
communication systems and various other appliances. And so the proper installation design of this
help prevent electrical hazards such as electrical shocks, fires and equipment damage and also
compliance with other various electrical codes and regulations, which you definitely know
about. And I absolutely don't. So I'm going to leave it there and hopefully you can tell
us a bit more about it. But yes, they pretty much go hand in hand with ensuring the safety
and functionality of the building. Yeah. So basically, um, in simple man's terms, terms,
I should say, um, you know, what can you do without electricity? You can't do anything.
You can't, you know, turn on your air con, can't turn on your computer or your lights.
So basically we're the most important people in construction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think
so. I mean, makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Cause even the likes of the um, so looks mechanical
plants like can't even can do nothing. Yeah. Can't do nothing. Can't even watch tick tock.
You know, some say electricity. Can't even watch tick tock. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's
the important stuff. Okay. Absolutely. That's why I've been learning how to like for some
time. Yeah. That's good. I should share this on tick tock more, but like it's got a thing
where like I don't show my face as often. It's more like the guests and everything.
Yeah. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see. You'll be called in to produce. Okay. Okay. Yes,
absolutely. I can do that. Okay. So you're an electrical engineer. Can you tell me what
you love most about your job? Um, probably aside from design, one of the things I love
most is how niche building services is. It's a fantastic place to network. Anytime you
run into anybody that works in building services, they know somebody who knows somebody. Yeah.
Yeah. So you definitely cannot get too drunk in a night out. Well, they know three companies
over. Um, no, it's a fantastic network. And, you know, that things are moving so quickly
with renewables and how we're using the word, even things like AI, you know, technology
is just advancing so quickly. It's a really, really interesting sector to be in. Definitely.
Definitely. No, a hundred percent. Um, and like, would you collaborate much with different
departments? We're talking there about the likes of the mechanical, mechanical equipment.
But one of the things like I've seen in jobs is the likes of the design of the substation
or maybe the building. Is that a difficult procedure? Um, so we would spend a lot of
time with architects, civil structural guys. And it can be, um, a lot of the governing
bodies have a very such rule book that you can kind of deviate from. But like most people
are dead on, most people are willing to work with you, you know, if you're dead on, they're
dead on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it just takes a little bit of teams calls, emails, but I
actually haven't run into any major issues. Okay. Nobody on the name drop was being a
bad guy. You're just really, really good at your job. Like that's it. I really wouldn't
say. Yeah. Um, like, do you have any reaction to maybe, I'm sure you've worked on, um,
designs like within the location of well-fac, um, but say maybe like when you step inside
the building, once it's complete, um, do you have like anything like design this or created
this? Yeah, you get, um, it's actually quite crazy. So you're so used to working with floor
plans and you're, you know, modeling things and you're like, right, that's fine. It's
not real life. Yeah. And watching a job go from a hole in the ground to a few concrete
blocks to being a fully functioning building. You do get that sense of achievement. Now
it could just be me being a massive nerd, but you are like, Hmm, that was me. Yeah.
You know, it's really, really cool. Yeah. That sense of pride. They're like, this is
why I do this job. Like, yeah, you forget about all the aggressive emails and phone
calls and headlines and late nights and you're like, Hmm, you know, that's fine. This is
what it's for. This is all, this is all, yeah, no, it's great. And it really, um, you, you
are so proud of what you do. Brilliant. So see for entering this role, um, I'm sure there's
a lot of training. You're talking about your degree, um, and everything. Um, but what sort
of training or prep would you recommend for entering this role? There's different routes.
Yeah, there's, so there's a ton of different routes. I kind of, um, I don't know, Milly,
because most people that end up in building services go to Ulster and do, I think it's
architectural engineering with building services. So I kind of, like I said, stumbled onto this
role. Um, I would definitely recommend doing that. Um, careers fairs, you know, Sibsie
are at a multitude of careers fairs, building services are, um, kind of just do your research
and get a LinkedIn and reach out to somebody in LinkedIn. The mind of people, I like, I
hope like push LinkedIn so much. The mind of people that like, or maybe like students
or like maybe was coming out of their degree and I'm just like, I've got a LinkedIn. They're
like, no, it's like the LinkedIn life. It is. LinkedIn is the new Instagram. I've been
saying this. Oh my goodness. Like I've been saying I'm using LinkedIn more than I'm using
Instagram. I wake up for saying what's happening today. Like, okay, like, you know, someone
feed my profile. Who is this? No, I know. It's like with Snapchat, I used to tell you
people's three best friends and you were like, hmm, interesting. But yes. Okay. Well, being
an engineer, I'm sure you've read through a lot of different guides and regulations.
Yeah. Do you have a particular favorite one at all? Or yes, I absolutely do. Um, IET
hiring regulations, right? Okay. They actually have brought out their second amendment there
in 2022. Fantastic rate. Yeah. Yeah. See if you're current in shape, can't get over.
Absolutely fantastic rate. I, um, like what is it? There was this joke, um, I told yesterday,
um, and it was about, and I don't want to say it because it is really bad. Okay. But
there is two electrical engineers that enter a room. Okay. And one engineer goes to a piece
of wire and measures like about six mil. Okay. And that's it. And says to the other engineers,
like here, can you help me, um, like put this wire to the circuit? Um, there's a name he
called it. It was like, put this wire to the circuit. And the other engineer goes like,
sure. There's no point in that. Um, then she was like, why? It's like, because it was like,
it's too short. Again, that's horrible. Yeah. Like, you know, this is, this is what it's
here for. Okay. Like I'm there for a cheesy joke, but you're like that today's display
has been absolutely. Yeah. I think it's the worst so far. No, it's not. I heard far worse.
Um, but yeah. Okay. Well, like thanks for answering that, but you're training and you're
prep. Um, so taking a sneaky look at your LinkedIn profile, you are, um, whoopsie and I representative
and on the Sibsy, um, YEN committee. That wasn't my fault to say. Okay. Um, but yeah,
can you tell us like, um, how you got into this role? Yeah. Um, I started, um, with the
Sibsy young engineers network. A few guys, um, in my work were on the main subject committee
and, um, I actually don't even know. I think, I think the two stuff things are
Max, her great friend, Max reached out to one of the guys I work with. Um, Paul goes,
Adrian's your girl. Yeah. And I was like, okay. So that happened and met all the guys
that the young engineers, we've been best friends since of course. Yeah. Every meeting we have,
we have to do it in a bar, but it's going good. Oh my goodness. Yeah. It's going really, really
good. Um, they're a great set of guys. And then whoopsie is women and Sibsy. Yeah. Yeah. So
again, that's something I stumbled upon. Um, I was talking to a few Sibsy guys and they were
saying there wasn't a Northern Ireland representative. Okay. And I'm all about the
girders. Yes. You know, so I just had to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just had to. That's class. Oh
my goodness. Yeah. So it's been all systems go. Um, we're actually just advertising our first event.
Okay. Yeah. It's very, very hash hash, but I got it all finalized today. Yeah. So we are doing a
painting set. My goodness. Yeah. So we're doing it joined with Mitsubishi electric, I should say.
And it's going to be in the water man on the 3rd of July, completely free. I 6 PM be there. I am
booking this in my calendar as we stay. Yeah. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Friends come on. Like,
Hey, let's not go that far. Okay. Okay. Six, six of July or third or third of July, third of July.
Okay. Painting set. Whoopsie. That's class. Oh my goodness. I will definitely be there. I will
maybe hit you up with a link. So really, really exciting. Um, there definitely is, you know,
all the girls are crying out for a community and then building services. I mean, it's 21 male to
female. Yeah. And the good, like the girls are good for it, but not everybody wants to talk about
football and rally cars every day. Like, you know, yeah. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's going to be
great. Yeah. And then I'll just take off and I'll be good. Like amazing. Well, a cool congratulations
on that. I'm sure there's a lot of hard work. I know. Yeah. I didn't actually used to have this
many wrinkles. That's kind of a new thing for me. But look, no, it's great. And I've spent
the entire time in building services, saying to the guys in my work,
can we please hire a girl? Come on, let's get a girl. I really want, I really want to meet my
friends in engineering. Sure. Where are your friends? I'm like, no, you're boys. I don't like,
I don't like it. So yeah, absolutely. Chalked to be honest. So I hope it's a great success.
That's congratulations. Like again, yeah. But yeah, give me your colleagues names. I'll tag
them in this so they can definitely hear this bit. Like you're not my friends. You know what? They
were like, you need to go in there and you need to do a shout out for us. Oh yeah. Do you want to
shake the light? Like what are your names? No, I don't think of all of them. Oh my goodness. Sorry,
boys. Okay. Yeah. NFI. Yeah. Maybe next time. Okay. Well, brilliant. And then you're also,
you're vice chair on the like CYPSYEN committee. Yeah. And I know you guys are actually hosting
a joint event with a lot of other committees in middle of June time. We sure are. Yeah. So
it's a big massive networking event, 20th of June. Yeah. We're kind of doing it with
all construction sectors. Yeah. If that's the word. And then around Belfast. So that'll be
absolutely brilliant. And we are, we'll be posting all of the details about that really soon.
I think next week. Yes. So yeah, we're dead excited about it again, just trying to create
that sense of community, a little bit of friendship. Yes. Yeah. There's, you know,
a little bit of laughs and giggles. Sure. Even better. Yeah. Make friends along the way,
best friends there and try to encourage people to enjoy, to join. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I
think it's great because, you know, as an electrical engineer, I kind of only run around
with mechanical engineers and some sustainability engineers. Yeah. So it'll be really, really good,
you know, get a wee bit more right there. Yeah. Yeah. Expand, expand your circle. Yeah. Yeah.
I got, yeah, I got that. Cause like, I would say, you're my, they're my best friends here.
They're in sustainability or mechanical. Okay. Like it's like you're in American high school
and it's like the jobs and yeah, it's very not mixing. We're done. Sustainability, I feel like,
you know, it's the, it's the art, like, you know, it's the like, you know, we can be so
everything. Yeah. Hippies. Hippies. That's it. That's it. Yeah. I felt like just like the
amount of people that like would have listened to this and said, like, you know, all two of them,
like, and they like, they're just like, how dare you immerse in ability to,
like you're green people. Green, green. Yeah. Like that's the thing. Yeah. I would say you're
the modern green person and then electrical and mechanical and you guys in the science,
like you're in the lab, like, you know, we are finessing in the lab. Yeah. But we're also
Neanderthals, I think. Yeah, we are like sustainability or all. Oh, we'll do A, B and C.
And we're like, guys, don't budget for that. Let's put in this diesel generator. Yeah.
Oh, well, that's fast. Okay. So it's come to the section of the podcast where I make a name and I
kind of ask you some questions or get your opinion. Okay. And I said I would ask you some
questions. I might ask you one or two, but they're very, I don't want to say they're very simple
because they're electrical questions and I know nothing. I'm like, I'm sure electrical engineering
can answer that. I didn't like, yeah. But before we get into that, okay, I want to talk about
something. So this title is called, okay, it's Women Among Us. Okay. And among us, you know,
the game and it's called Among Us and it's around three people. Anyway, there's like an imposter,
like always. So it's like women among us, like, and it's supposed to be like the imposter.
And then I put like a hyphen and I'm like, what a relief, but what is spelled W-A-T-T. That's
excellent. But actually it's good. I can get on board with that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're back on
track. We're back on track. Of course. You didn't kind of hold it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So in March,
2024, the IET, so the Institution of Engineering and Technology published an article. And it said,
they're like pretty much saying, did you know there's over 1 million women in STEM occupations?
Some of this is in the UK, wherever it might be worldwide. I don't know. So there's over 1 million
women in STEM occupations, but that still only accounts for 29% of the STEM workforce. Yeah.
And a lot of them, they're pretty much like, I'll put a link to the article in the bio,
but a lot of them were saying just like, so imposter syndrome kind of takes control.
And it's a really big, like part of that. But have you ever come across that at all?
I actually wrote the book on imposter syndrome. Yeah. Oh yeah. My whole life is fictional. Yeah.
Yeah. No, it's wild. You're sitting in these meetings as a 20 something year old girl,
telling six year old men not to speak to you like that. And you're like, oh my gosh, how did that,
how did I even do that? Or you're doing like these wild calculations or whatever. And then it goes
to sight and it actually works. And you're like, my God. It's like, wait a sec. Yeah. It's really,
it's equally exciting and terrifying. And similarly with all the roles I've just jumped into, I'm like,
how did I end up here? Like, I don't know. Like it just seems to be, nothing's went wrong. Yeah.
You know? That's yeah. And I don't know if I just have a bit of good luck or what's happening, but
yeah, no, imposter syndrome is me. Yeah. That's a lot. Cause you know what, I feel like not every
day, but like there's days I'm usually fine when maybe I'm talking to someone and then maybe I'm
talking to someone and telling them something. And then they're like, Oh, are you sure? Is it not this?
I'm like, no, no, I'm pretty sure it's this. Yeah. And then they're like, Oh no, I thought it was this.
I'm like, maybe they're right. Like, you know, it's like, wait a second. Yeah. You have 20 more years
experience. Yeah. Of course you know. Then I'm like, hold on, I need to check this out. Yeah.
And like, that's okay. Cause I find like the answer. Okay. Like I usually in meetings,
like I would give the answer. It was like, you know what? I'll look into that. Get back to you on that.
You know what I do? And this is how you get out of anything. Yeah. I'll double check with the team
and get back to you. That's great. Or similarly. Yeah. I'll run my eyes over the calcs. Yeah. I'll
just double check that for you. And that totally takes the blame off you. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know,
you just have to figure it out. That's it. And you just, sometimes you just have to shout at an old
man and tell him he is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're completely right. Um, like a lot of our,
you know what? Um, it's not even like a lot of our, like our, our kind of clients who we used to work
for, like they knew what they want. So I find it would be like, um, and like they're usually fine
with the like, here, we're going to give you this. And they're like, okay. Yeah. I find it's like,
when you're talking to different teams along the way and then, um, like, you know, uh, like the
likes of, um, I'm sure like, you know, electrical and sustainability, there's stuff like, have you
ever had a sustainability engineer come up to you and be like, I need these lights, so and so,
lemons per circuit, what? And you're like, you're like, well, hold on. Like, let me do this or like
needs to be this or. It kind of gets a little bit conflicting because in a lot of the jobs we do,
it's Briam outstanding or Briam excellent. Yes. Yeah. Which is all well and good until you're
in glare control and you know, you've done all your calculations and a totally different fit in
and it doesn't have the correct values and you're caught then because you've costed it at this
fitting and you might need this kind of bespoke one. Okay. Yeah. So you're kind of caught all of
the time, not all of the time, but you are, you know, you're constantly conflicted between, um,
what's the best approach was for you and for the clients. So it's just finding that balance.
No. Yeah. Just right. Like our, like you met a Fibity there and she'd be like, um,
Briam like in the Briam team, like Briam assassin and don't know, like, what is it?
The way to work. But like they cover it. It's just like, well, okay. I'm going to go back to my safety,
my set counts. Before being a Maz person. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but also, so hold on. Yeah.
No, hold on. I was talking about imposter syndrome. Was that imposter syndrome acting up? I don't know.
But yeah, like it's great. Like that it's funny because you often find this would be a thing among
women, like the imposter syndrome. But like I find it really nice the way that like most women in
engineering or STEM like seem to have it. And it's like, okay, we can kind of all support each other
and that. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'm like, this is why there needs to be like, you know, maybe all
the days of importance. So like happy International Women's Day or I think there's a women in
construction day. Oh yeah. And I'd like, you know, you can maybe see the eye rolls, like, you know,
people are like, oh, that day. I'm like, no, no, this is why it needs to happen because people
should be appreciated and celebrated. Like you're like, you're in this, like, um, you're in this,
like workforce and it's tough, like not just for women, like this work construction and electrical
mechanical energy design. It's tough for everyone. Like, yeah, no, absolutely. And I think, you know,
there's often the argument, why isn't there an International Men's Day? Yeah. And you know,
whenever you're talking 20 guys to one girl, it is important that, you know, you do help aid
even the next generation coming up. You know, we do a lot of work with, um, STEM and I'm a STEM
ambassador. So that kind of is encouraging, you know, teenagers, little girls and boys, you know,
to get involved in the sciences because, you know, at the end of the day, it's only in the past few
years women even have that option. And I would be a massive advocate for a woman and a girl.
To be as educated as they could be. Yeah. You know, always put your best foot forward. You know,
people have died for the girls to get their vote. Yes. You know, and then like up until 1975,
you had to get your husband's permission to open a bank account. Oh my goodness. Like that's the
parents age. That's wild. So I just think the more we can do now to encourage that, um, you know,
get all the girls educated. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. This is why you're a whipsy. This is why
I am whipsy. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's massively important. You know, you see so many girls going,
I hate maths, I hate science. You know, it's so, so cliche that the girl goes down the artsy path
and the man goes down the science path. And actually all the smartest girls and all the big
revelation were all from girls. Yeah. This is, this is like in each of these episodes, I like to
do like a wee tidbit, like to advertise the episode. Oh yeah. And what you just said there,
like that'll definitely be sectioned off. That's like, yes, here come the girls. Yeah. I play
here. Oh, but that's brilliant. Okay. Okay. So I've pulled up this webpage. Okay. And now
I'll ask you two questions from it. Okay. Cause we did talk a lot about imposter syndrome and we
deserve a break to talk about nicer stuff. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So I got this from the pro
crap, pro professors.com slash quiz school slash story, and then a lot of, um, fun numbers. Um,
so it's actually like a typed in electrical engineering, fun quiz questions, and this is
the site that came up. So we're going to take this with a pinch of salt. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Before working on a circuit, you must line the power supply. So is it A, switch on? Is it P,
switch off? Is it C, hold? Or is it D, throw? Um, I would like to click box and B,
turn off the power supply. You are correct. Yes. That's fine. You win.
All of my mentors and bosses are like, please say B.
Okay. Got another one. Okay. Okay. And yeah, it's pretty tricky. Okay. Okay. So electricity is made
at a power plant. Yeah. I said that so weirdly. So electricity is made at a power plant by a huge
A, motor, B, generator, C, coil, or D, wire. Is it a motor? You're so close.
It's a generator.
You know what? I think this is a really American based site.
And I would like to use Clarify. It's my reputation that it's probably the motor
and the generator doing it. It definitely is. Like what power is the generator? It's the motor.
I feel like I was set up there. Definitely. Definitely. Okay. It is. It's a six.
This will be recounted. Okay. No, there's, um, one of my, like one of the first episodes we did,
or the second episode of it, I did it with my director, Alan. Yeah. And I asked him, um,
like, you know, these questions and I was like, okay, I'm going to give you names or terms,
which we come across by giving you the opposite of the names. Um, and a lot, I thought were like,
really like simple. I'm like, he's going to get this. No problem. And then when it came to it,
he's like, you know, what, like, what did you just say? I'm like, okay, maybe. But it is. It's so
difficult. Like I've never not come last in a podcast. Well, I am. You're still sort of
up cause except, um, movies, movies I'd be okay at. Like, do you know what I am good at? There's any
Simpsons question. I love the Simpsons. Hold on. I need to show you my bag. Okay. Okay. My friend
piston got this for me for my birthday. I 29 29. But yeah. So, um, listeners, it says quickie mark.
Okay. My tote bag. Okay. It's gorgeous colors. It's funky. It's the quickie mark colors. Like,
yeah. Um, don't know how she did it, but I'm like, incredibly thoughtful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So shout
out Kristen Dalton. If you're listening, better be listening. Okay. Okay. Brilliant. Okay. So we're
off that section, the women among us and also what a relief. Okay. So thank you for paying. Okay.
Thank you so much. Okay. So you mentioned there about working, um, as part of the STEM program
and being a STEM investor. Yeah. Yeah. How did you come across that role or how did I come across
the rest of them? Um, I have no idea. I don't know if I'm going to answer for everything, but I actually
don't have any idea. Um, it was kind of something that Sibsey are pushing a lot at the minute.
Right. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So they're mad keen to get not only young engineers, but anybody in the wider
STEM sectors out and about skills. Yeah. No promote science, promote mass technology,
the E in STEM. Yes. Engineering. Yeah. So yeah, no, it's been fantastic. Um, it was actually a big
event at Titanic there not that long ago. It was like a school fun day. Okay. Yeah. Really,
really interactive for the kids. It's like, um, W five if it, yes, drunk a red bull and was crazy.
Oh my goodness. But like it's, um, it's all for a good cause. No, definitely. It's for the children
and their future. Like children are the future. Children are the future. Yeah. See, this is the
thing. Um, there is like, I find it like the, like our industry in general, they might have, so we've
got like certain targets to meet, like, like some retrofitting homes and like buildings, um, and all
that and bodies and let's see. Oh my goodness. Sorry. It's the weirdest thing. Thank you.
Let's make a full body. Yeah. Um, yeah, no apologies. Um, but yeah, like with us, um,
like we've got targets to meet and, um, but it's like the department of, is it economy? But
whoever works in the skills, like green workforce, they have like estimated as like money jobs that
we need to meet those targets. We don't have the workforce to it. Like none of people are going
into this sector. And so like encouraging people's like here, if you go into the sector, not only are
you doing something that, um, like, you know, could help meet the 2050 targets. It's something
that's like really needed. And it's a kind of that like, not safety, but like, like you're,
you'll probably always have a job. Yeah, I think, I think a lot of people see engineering and they
see four years at uni as heavy and it is tough. Like second year, you will cry. Yeah. Yeah.
Everybody comes out of it. Yeah. You know, and the jobs are great and there's such a demand for jobs.
No, at the end of the day, people always need buildings. Yeah. You know, this is it. And
yeah, no, I would absolutely encourage anyone if they had any kind of interest in it all to jump
into it, give it a go. Yeah. No, yeah. No, you're just right. Like I try to, um, what is it? Just
because I always find it was, it's the biggest shock coming into the workforce. And like, see
when I was doing my degree and before I went on placement, no idea, like, you know, what any of
this was about. And then as soon as you get that real life experience, you're like, wow, okay, like
this is it. So even like the likes of like, places are happy to, to people on it's like, yeah,
come in, come in here for a bit and then I can show you what it's like. Yeah. I find that, you
know, it's that knowing what you're getting out the other side. That also helps. So many people
don't even realize the work it takes. You know, people walk into buildings and no one is ever
like, how did this get here? Who made this? You know? And whereas walking into them now, I was
like, whoa, humidity in this, like, it's just right. Now I walk into buildings now and I like
straight up at the services. I'm like, oh, I would not have put the lights like that. Wait, that's,
that's 80 women's per circle. Like, oh, don't know if that's meeting the targets.
See, like that's the thing. Cause it's even, I think my director, Alan, he said something very,
like, it just kind of like, it's the word synced with me or just kind of hit me. I'm like, whoa.
He's like, people don't realize that they have the right to be comfortable. Like when you walk,
yeah. But like when you walk into a building and you're like, yeah, okay. Like, you know,
like a hotel or a library or any office work, you're like, yeah, okay. Like, yeah,
any office work. You're like, yeah, okay. This is comfortable. But then the design it took to get
it to that. And it's like, it's very, I don't know. There's a lot of forces at work, a lot of.
Well, absolutely. Like, anytime I go home and visit my mom, I'm like, oh, we're doing this,
this week and whatever. And she's like, like, how do you actually do that? I'm like, I have no idea.
You know, when it's crazy to think that you're just doing these things and then suddenly you
have a fully active BMS panel control in the heating and a building. Yeah. You know,
and it is, it's still like. Yeah. BMS, that's like a term also. Like we're hearing like so
much in the past, like a couple of years. You're like, wow, pretty cool. Yeah. And it's one of
those things that sometimes it's mechanical, sometimes it's electrical. Yes. Yeah. It's a
joint team force. But like, I must get you back on to talk about meters as well because. Not meters.
Not the meters. Anything but the meters.
No, we're seeing a massive everywhere on meter and now they want to manage the loads. Yeah.
Kind of run the loads off over like a month or two, work out when they're using the most kilowatts,
when they're not, their peaks. Yeah. You know, there was a while there that the bigger buildings
were selling their electricity back to the likes of like NIE, ASB and all of that. Okay. But like
the grid's too overcrowded now. So people are sitting with these massive generators and
transformers. Right. And nothing to do with the electricity. Oh, for goodness sake. Which is really
crap. You know, it's, it's full of waste, but once we get the grid upgraded. Yeah. Yeah. It's
going to be all systems though. Very good. I'm sure there'll be people at the event in June.
Like, you know, who'll be from the grid. Yeah. The grid team. The grid team. The grid team.
And then the electric team. Yeah. No, the event will be great. I'm really, really looking forward
to it. Fair play to Max. He has done an extensive amount of planning on it. Yeah. Mostly because he
does not like to share. Okay. Yeah. It's not a democracy. Yes. Yeah. This is what we're doing.
Okay. This is what we're doing. And you did great, but we're doing it like this.
I'm so sorry, Max. I'll tag him in this. It was like, Max, you better listen to timestamp.
Two hours later. Everyone, we're looking for you in the co-pilot.
So sorry. Oh my goodness. But yeah, like, you know, like that, that's great. Like, well,
but like I'll be at that event as well. So I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Did a lot of events
today. The one in June, the one in July. Yeah. Yep. Class. I'll probably only be there for 12
hours. Like I'd say when it starts at six and then probably around half, seven, quarter, eight. And
you just could add all, cause I'm going to go see bowling for soup, which is it's, it starts. I think
they start around nine, but the doors open at seven and it was a birthday present for my sister. So
I'm like, okay, I'm going. Yeah. So yeah, we'll see. So I'll network on your behalf. Yeah. Yeah.
You're like, I'm like Sipsy. And then you're like, Oh, what about Dundee Institute? You're like,
ah, Sipsy. I don't have any energy. I'll have room with two business cards, yours and mine.
And whoever seems to like take the path. Yeah. Like, oh, there you go. It looks like, you know,
it's like you'd said this. Yeah. I'm going to make mine like Rambos and hearts and love
it. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a really sad, miserable beige. Yeah. It's actually crumpled.
Yeah. It's actually old news. It's the real name. And it's not even your correct email.
Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll come back with all the like, you know, cards and everything.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You've been absolutely wonderful to have
much. And you've given like such insightful stuff and like, I hope it's like helped people. I think
it definitely has like, um, the reasons like, let's start this just the reassurance like of
like what the job is like, because I'm sure like you've seen it too, maybe the amount of
dropouts of people in your degree, like, because people are like, this isn't what I thought it was
going to be. Yeah. And like, that's okay. Cause like, hopefully they're like in something that
they love like no. Um, but then just like, hopefully reassuring people it's like this what it's like.
And it's, it's not so scary. No, it's not scary. I think it's brilliant. But you know, I have to
say that. Yeah. No, I actually don't. It's actually, it's great. Um, and I would really
encourage anybody thinking about it to just dive into it and see what happens. Brilliant. Yeah.
Um, I usually say, do you have any advice about dive into it and see what happens? What's the worst
that can happen? What's the worst that can happen? Like that's it. Yeah. That is you could like,
you know, you'll be designing buildings like, you know, it's the best thing that's going to happen.
Yeah. So yeah. Well, but thank you for coming on. No worries. Thank you. Thanks for listening to
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