1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Hello, welcome, and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated 2 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,320 to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to talk about 3 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,240 getting home, aside from our planet. I'm your host, Enya, and today I'm joined by my Carbon 4 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:41,600 Climate, I'm co-host Adrienne. I absolutely bitched your name. I am so sorry. Hi, Diane. 5 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,360 What are you up to this week? My best friend's actually getting married this weekend. Very 6 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,600 good. So she's our first one down the aisle, so we're all past ourselves. Oh my goodness. 7 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,160 So it pretty much spread hands, nails and hair from now Friday morning. Yeah. Yeah. 8 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,760 I've got your dress sorted and everything. Yeah, sure do. Hang in there. Ready to go. 9 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:09,160 My mom will see it for me. Yeah. I love the exciting weekend. Oh, yeah. It'll be absolutely 10 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,720 brilliant with us being there and his friends like we've all grown up together. So it's 11 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:23,000 going to be a little fun. Yeah. You'll be you'll be sorry on Saturday and Sunday, I'm 12 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,560 sure. Yeah, but Monday off. Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah. So what is 13 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:40,280 your job title? So I'm an electrical engineer for a design consultant. In Belfast, yeah. 14 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:46,240 Yeah. So I actually work right in between the hard bar and the dirty onion. Very good. 15 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,360 That is a dangerous place to work in that they might have after work pints that must 16 00:01:50,360 --> 00:02:00,760 happen. Yeah, it's a nightmare. He goes straight to the bar. Oh, brilliant. That's stuff I 17 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,960 worked some time like, you know, for important meeting around just at the end of the day. 18 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Yeah, yeah. And around half or five. So yeah, yeah. Brilliant. So how long have you been 19 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,440 in this sector? So I've been working since I graduated just over two and a half years 20 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:28,120 ago. Actually, probably closer to three now. But yeah, I finished up uni and got into work 21 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:35,360 straight away. Very good. Yes. Did you like what university did you go to? I went to Queen's. 22 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:42,800 I actually did in my undergrad in electrical and electronic engineering. And then COVID 23 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:50,120 hit and it wasn't really, you know, everything was up in the air. So I got offered to do 24 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,760 a master's in sustainable development. Very good. Yeah. So just with everybody being home 25 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,320 full time, I was able to do it actually from my bedroom. So it kind of, I would have a 26 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,920 lot of interest in battery storage and renewables and things like that. So it just kind of seemed 27 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:13,880 to be the right path. And then I graduated and got a big girl job. Nice. Yes. Those big 28 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:21,960 girl jobs are always such, such an eye opener as well. Oh yeah, it's awful. But brilliant. 29 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:28,080 So see when you were at school, do you ever envisage yourself in a role like this? 30 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:35,400 Honestly, no. I had no idea what I wanted to be ever until it was fifth year, lower 31 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:42,400 sixth, you're picking your A levels. And I just picked the ones that I didn't want to 32 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:50,640 do the least. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which left me with math, physics and biology. So 33 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,720 then engineering was brought up at careers fairs and whatever. And I was going, Oh God, 34 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,360 I want mechanical. I don't think I would like that. Oh, I wouldn't like civil. It's 35 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:07,560 been electrical. And was like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So five years later, here we are. 36 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,800 That's class to hear. Oh my goodness. No, it was a flick. Yeah. Here. The best things 37 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,560 that happen life are often flicks. And that's like that happened five years ago. Look at 38 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:28,600 where you are now. Yeah. Like running this time. Okay. Well, thanks for introducing yourself. 39 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Okay. So I'm going to ask you a couple of questions. And then also the kind of topic 40 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,880 of this episode, you can tell by your job title, focuses on electrical engineering and 41 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,120 building services. And also talking a bit more about you because you do a lot of impressive 42 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:53,120 stuff. Um, but before we get into that, okay. I've got a joke for you. Okay. So how do electrical 43 00:04:53,120 --> 00:05:06,320 engineers stay warm in the winter? No idea. Okay. With foam made spatters. You can keep 44 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,200 that. You can tell your friends. Okay. I don't think I tell anybody. Yeah. Okay. You're like, 45 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:19,560 actually I need to leave. Oh, my park is shot. Oh, okay. So we've talked about mechanical 46 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,160 building services on this podcast before. Um, so, and then from your job title, yep, 47 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,680 we're going to cover electrical engineering and building services. So that includes stuff 48 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:35,800 like for generation transmission, supply and distribution of low voltage electricity. Yes, 49 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:43,600 this is directly copied from Wikipedia and I'm just listing it. Um, and also design of 50 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:50,480 lighting systems, mechanical plant controls and design and emergency lighting. So yes, 51 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,960 like the importance of electrical engineering in building construction can't be overstated. 52 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:01,200 It's it's there to ensure the safe and reliable supply of electricity and to meet the energy 53 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:08,240 demands of building. Yeah. So yeah, as a responsible for lighting, heating, ventilation, air conditioning, 54 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:15,160 communication systems and various other appliances. And so the proper installation design of this 55 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,280 help prevent electrical hazards such as electrical shocks, fires and equipment damage and also 56 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:26,680 compliance with other various electrical codes and regulations, which you definitely know 57 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,760 about. And I absolutely don't. So I'm going to leave it there and hopefully you can tell 58 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,200 us a bit more about it. But yes, they pretty much go hand in hand with ensuring the safety 59 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:45,200 and functionality of the building. Yeah. So basically, um, in simple man's terms, terms, 60 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,480 I should say, um, you know, what can you do without electricity? You can't do anything. 61 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,480 You can't, you know, turn on your air con, can't turn on your computer or your lights. 62 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,920 So basically we're the most important people in construction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think 63 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:10,520 so. I mean, makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Cause even the likes of the um, so looks mechanical 64 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,120 plants like can't even can do nothing. Yeah. Can't do nothing. Can't even watch tick tock. 65 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,520 You know, some say electricity. Can't even watch tick tock. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's 66 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,720 the important stuff. Okay. Absolutely. That's why I've been learning how to like for some 67 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:32,120 time. Yeah. That's good. I should share this on tick tock more, but like it's got a thing 68 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,480 where like I don't show my face as often. It's more like the guests and everything. 69 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Yeah. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see. You'll be called in to produce. Okay. Okay. Yes, 70 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,000 absolutely. I can do that. Okay. So you're an electrical engineer. Can you tell me what 71 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:56,560 you love most about your job? Um, probably aside from design, one of the things I love 72 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:04,360 most is how niche building services is. It's a fantastic place to network. Anytime you 73 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,640 run into anybody that works in building services, they know somebody who knows somebody. Yeah. 74 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,320 Yeah. So you definitely cannot get too drunk in a night out. Well, they know three companies 75 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,760 over. Um, no, it's a fantastic network. And, you know, that things are moving so quickly 76 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:27,440 with renewables and how we're using the word, even things like AI, you know, technology 77 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:33,280 is just advancing so quickly. It's a really, really interesting sector to be in. Definitely. 78 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,840 Definitely. No, a hundred percent. Um, and like, would you collaborate much with different 79 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,760 departments? We're talking there about the likes of the mechanical, mechanical equipment. 80 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:48,480 But one of the things like I've seen in jobs is the likes of the design of the substation 81 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,720 or maybe the building. Is that a difficult procedure? Um, so we would spend a lot of 82 00:08:53,720 --> 00:09:01,160 time with architects, civil structural guys. And it can be, um, a lot of the governing 83 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:07,800 bodies have a very such rule book that you can kind of deviate from. But like most people 84 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,280 are dead on, most people are willing to work with you, you know, if you're dead on, they're 85 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:18,600 dead on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it just takes a little bit of teams calls, emails, but I 86 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,160 actually haven't run into any major issues. Okay. Nobody on the name drop was being a 87 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,240 bad guy. You're just really, really good at your job. Like that's it. I really wouldn't 88 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:38,440 say. Yeah. Um, like, do you have any reaction to maybe, I'm sure you've worked on, um, 89 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,320 designs like within the location of well-fac, um, but say maybe like when you step inside 90 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,680 the building, once it's complete, um, do you have like anything like design this or created 91 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:54,760 this? Yeah, you get, um, it's actually quite crazy. So you're so used to working with floor 92 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,920 plans and you're, you know, modeling things and you're like, right, that's fine. It's 93 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:05,520 not real life. Yeah. And watching a job go from a hole in the ground to a few concrete 94 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:11,920 blocks to being a fully functioning building. You do get that sense of achievement. Now 95 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,440 it could just be me being a massive nerd, but you are like, Hmm, that was me. Yeah. 96 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,360 You know, it's really, really cool. Yeah. That sense of pride. They're like, this is 97 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,480 why I do this job. Like, yeah, you forget about all the aggressive emails and phone 98 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,920 calls and headlines and late nights and you're like, Hmm, you know, that's fine. This is 99 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,240 what it's for. This is all, this is all, yeah, no, it's great. And it really, um, you, you 100 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,120 are so proud of what you do. Brilliant. So see for entering this role, um, I'm sure there's 101 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,920 a lot of training. You're talking about your degree, um, and everything. Um, but what sort 102 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,880 of training or prep would you recommend for entering this role? There's different routes. 103 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Yeah, there's, so there's a ton of different routes. I kind of, um, I don't know, Milly, 104 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,760 because most people that end up in building services go to Ulster and do, I think it's 105 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:12,240 architectural engineering with building services. So I kind of, like I said, stumbled onto this 106 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,360 role. Um, I would definitely recommend doing that. Um, careers fairs, you know, Sibsie 107 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:26,840 are at a multitude of careers fairs, building services are, um, kind of just do your research 108 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:33,240 and get a LinkedIn and reach out to somebody in LinkedIn. The mind of people, I like, I 109 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:38,640 hope like push LinkedIn so much. The mind of people that like, or maybe like students 110 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,120 or like maybe was coming out of their degree and I'm just like, I've got a LinkedIn. They're 111 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,400 like, no, it's like the LinkedIn life. It is. LinkedIn is the new Instagram. I've been 112 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,160 saying this. Oh my goodness. Like I've been saying I'm using LinkedIn more than I'm using 113 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,120 Instagram. I wake up for saying what's happening today. Like, okay, like, you know, someone 114 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,600 feed my profile. Who is this? No, I know. It's like with Snapchat, I used to tell you 115 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:08,400 people's three best friends and you were like, hmm, interesting. But yes. Okay. Well, being 116 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,120 an engineer, I'm sure you've read through a lot of different guides and regulations. 117 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:20,080 Yeah. Do you have a particular favorite one at all? Or yes, I absolutely do. Um, IET 118 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:25,280 hiring regulations, right? Okay. They actually have brought out their second amendment there 119 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:32,040 in 2022. Fantastic rate. Yeah. Yeah. See if you're current in shape, can't get over. 120 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:40,000 Absolutely fantastic rate. I, um, like what is it? There was this joke, um, I told yesterday, 121 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,240 um, and it was about, and I don't want to say it because it is really bad. Okay. But 122 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:53,760 there is two electrical engineers that enter a room. Okay. And one engineer goes to a piece 123 00:12:53,760 --> 00:13:01,920 of wire and measures like about six mil. Okay. And that's it. And says to the other engineers, 124 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:09,960 like here, can you help me, um, like put this wire to the circuit? Um, there's a name he 125 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,040 called it. It was like, put this wire to the circuit. And the other engineer goes like, 126 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,960 sure. There's no point in that. Um, then she was like, why? It's like, because it was like, 127 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,400 it's too short. Again, that's horrible. Yeah. Like, you know, this is, this is what it's 128 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,400 here for. Okay. Like I'm there for a cheesy joke, but you're like that today's display 129 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:39,560 has been absolutely. Yeah. I think it's the worst so far. No, it's not. I heard far worse. 130 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:45,400 Um, but yeah. Okay. Well, like thanks for answering that, but you're training and you're 131 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:53,320 prep. Um, so taking a sneaky look at your LinkedIn profile, you are, um, whoopsie and I representative 132 00:13:53,320 --> 00:14:01,240 and on the Sibsy, um, YEN committee. That wasn't my fault to say. Okay. Um, but yeah, 133 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:10,760 can you tell us like, um, how you got into this role? Yeah. Um, I started, um, with the 134 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:19,480 Sibsy young engineers network. A few guys, um, in my work were on the main subject committee 135 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:29,480 and, um, I actually don't even know. I think, I think the two stuff things are 136 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Max, her great friend, Max reached out to one of the guys I work with. Um, Paul goes, 137 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Adrian's your girl. Yeah. And I was like, okay. So that happened and met all the guys 138 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,400 that the young engineers, we've been best friends since of course. Yeah. Every meeting we have, 139 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,560 we have to do it in a bar, but it's going good. Oh my goodness. Yeah. It's going really, really 140 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:05,400 good. Um, they're a great set of guys. And then whoopsie is women and Sibsy. Yeah. Yeah. So 141 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,560 again, that's something I stumbled upon. Um, I was talking to a few Sibsy guys and they were 142 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:17,560 saying there wasn't a Northern Ireland representative. Okay. And I'm all about the 143 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:25,560 girders. Yes. You know, so I just had to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just had to. That's class. Oh 144 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:34,360 my goodness. Yeah. So it's been all systems go. Um, we're actually just advertising our first event. 145 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Okay. Yeah. It's very, very hash hash, but I got it all finalized today. Yeah. So we are doing a 146 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:48,680 painting set. My goodness. Yeah. So we're doing it joined with Mitsubishi electric, I should say. 147 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:58,120 And it's going to be in the water man on the 3rd of July, completely free. I 6 PM be there. I am 148 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:05,160 booking this in my calendar as we stay. Yeah. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Friends come on. Like, 149 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:16,280 Hey, let's not go that far. Okay. Okay. Six, six of July or third or third of July, third of July. 150 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Okay. Painting set. Whoopsie. That's class. Oh my goodness. I will definitely be there. I will 151 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:30,200 maybe hit you up with a link. So really, really exciting. Um, there definitely is, you know, 152 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:36,840 all the girls are crying out for a community and then building services. I mean, it's 21 male to 153 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,560 female. Yeah. And the good, like the girls are good for it, but not everybody wants to talk about 154 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:47,080 football and rally cars every day. Like, you know, yeah. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's going to be 155 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:56,040 great. Yeah. And then I'll just take off and I'll be good. Like amazing. Well, a cool congratulations 156 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,600 on that. I'm sure there's a lot of hard work. I know. Yeah. I didn't actually used to have this 157 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:07,400 many wrinkles. That's kind of a new thing for me. But look, no, it's great. And I've spent 158 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,880 the entire time in building services, saying to the guys in my work, 159 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,840 can we please hire a girl? Come on, let's get a girl. I really want, I really want to meet my 160 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:22,760 friends in engineering. Sure. Where are your friends? I'm like, no, you're boys. I don't like, 161 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:30,280 I don't like it. So yeah, absolutely. Chalked to be honest. So I hope it's a great success. 162 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,720 That's congratulations. Like again, yeah. But yeah, give me your colleagues names. I'll tag 163 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,320 them in this so they can definitely hear this bit. Like you're not my friends. You know what? They 164 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,040 were like, you need to go in there and you need to do a shout out for us. Oh yeah. Do you want to 165 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:53,160 shake the light? Like what are your names? No, I don't think of all of them. Oh my goodness. Sorry, 166 00:17:53,160 --> 00:18:00,520 boys. Okay. Yeah. NFI. Yeah. Maybe next time. Okay. Well, brilliant. And then you're also, 167 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:08,920 you're vice chair on the like CYPSYEN committee. Yeah. And I know you guys are actually hosting 168 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:14,920 a joint event with a lot of other committees in middle of June time. We sure are. Yeah. So 169 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,840 it's a big massive networking event, 20th of June. Yeah. We're kind of doing it with 170 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:31,960 all construction sectors. Yeah. If that's the word. And then around Belfast. So that'll be 171 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:38,600 absolutely brilliant. And we are, we'll be posting all of the details about that really soon. 172 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,760 I think next week. Yes. So yeah, we're dead excited about it again, just trying to create 173 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,320 that sense of community, a little bit of friendship. Yes. Yeah. There's, you know, 174 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:55,400 a little bit of laughs and giggles. Sure. Even better. Yeah. Make friends along the way, 175 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,280 best friends there and try to encourage people to enjoy, to join. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I 176 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,800 think it's great because, you know, as an electrical engineer, I kind of only run around 177 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,280 with mechanical engineers and some sustainability engineers. Yeah. So it'll be really, really good, 178 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:16,520 you know, get a wee bit more right there. Yeah. Yeah. Expand, expand your circle. Yeah. Yeah. 179 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:23,720 I got, yeah, I got that. Cause like, I would say, you're my, they're my best friends here. 180 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,560 They're in sustainability or mechanical. Okay. Like it's like you're in American high school 181 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:38,920 and it's like the jobs and yeah, it's very not mixing. We're done. Sustainability, I feel like, 182 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,800 you know, it's the, it's the art, like, you know, it's the like, you know, we can be so 183 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,560 everything. Yeah. Hippies. Hippies. That's it. That's it. Yeah. I felt like just like the 184 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,480 amount of people that like would have listened to this and said, like, you know, all two of them, 185 00:19:53,480 --> 00:20:00,440 like, and they like, they're just like, how dare you immerse in ability to, 186 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,200 like you're green people. Green, green. Yeah. Like that's the thing. Yeah. I would say you're 187 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,280 the modern green person and then electrical and mechanical and you guys in the science, 188 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,640 like you're in the lab, like, you know, we are finessing in the lab. Yeah. But we're also 189 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Neanderthals, I think. Yeah, we are like sustainability or all. Oh, we'll do A, B and C. 190 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:32,760 And we're like, guys, don't budget for that. Let's put in this diesel generator. Yeah. 191 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Oh, well, that's fast. Okay. So it's come to the section of the podcast where I make a name and I 192 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:51,320 kind of ask you some questions or get your opinion. Okay. And I said I would ask you some 193 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,360 questions. I might ask you one or two, but they're very, I don't want to say they're very simple 194 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,680 because they're electrical questions and I know nothing. I'm like, I'm sure electrical engineering 195 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,720 can answer that. I didn't like, yeah. But before we get into that, okay, I want to talk about 196 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:12,280 something. So this title is called, okay, it's Women Among Us. Okay. And among us, you know, 197 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:18,040 the game and it's called Among Us and it's around three people. Anyway, there's like an imposter, 198 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,440 like always. So it's like women among us, like, and it's supposed to be like the imposter. 199 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,960 And then I put like a hyphen and I'm like, what a relief, but what is spelled W-A-T-T. That's 200 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,640 excellent. But actually it's good. I can get on board with that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're back on 201 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,280 track. We're back on track. Of course. You didn't kind of hold it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So in March, 202 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:48,280 2024, the IET, so the Institution of Engineering and Technology published an article. And it said, 203 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:54,440 they're like pretty much saying, did you know there's over 1 million women in STEM occupations? 204 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,920 Some of this is in the UK, wherever it might be worldwide. I don't know. So there's over 1 million 205 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:07,640 women in STEM occupations, but that still only accounts for 29% of the STEM workforce. Yeah. 206 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:14,600 And a lot of them, they're pretty much like, I'll put a link to the article in the bio, 207 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,760 but a lot of them were saying just like, so imposter syndrome kind of takes control. 208 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,640 And it's a really big, like part of that. But have you ever come across that at all? 209 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,560 I actually wrote the book on imposter syndrome. Yeah. Oh yeah. My whole life is fictional. Yeah. 210 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:39,080 Yeah. No, it's wild. You're sitting in these meetings as a 20 something year old girl, 211 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,760 telling six year old men not to speak to you like that. And you're like, oh my gosh, how did that, 212 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:51,480 how did I even do that? Or you're doing like these wild calculations or whatever. And then it goes 213 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,200 to sight and it actually works. And you're like, my God. It's like, wait a sec. Yeah. It's really, 214 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:05,320 it's equally exciting and terrifying. And similarly with all the roles I've just jumped into, I'm like, 215 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:14,120 how did I end up here? Like, I don't know. Like it just seems to be, nothing's went wrong. Yeah. 216 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:18,920 You know? That's yeah. And I don't know if I just have a bit of good luck or what's happening, but 217 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:25,880 yeah, no, imposter syndrome is me. Yeah. That's a lot. Cause you know what, I feel like not every 218 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:32,280 day, but like there's days I'm usually fine when maybe I'm talking to someone and then maybe I'm 219 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,560 talking to someone and telling them something. And then they're like, Oh, are you sure? Is it not this? 220 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,120 I'm like, no, no, I'm pretty sure it's this. Yeah. And then they're like, Oh no, I thought it was this. 221 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:47,720 I'm like, maybe they're right. Like, you know, it's like, wait a second. Yeah. You have 20 more years 222 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,720 experience. Yeah. Of course you know. Then I'm like, hold on, I need to check this out. Yeah. 223 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,520 And like, that's okay. Cause I find like the answer. Okay. Like I usually in meetings, 224 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,760 like I would give the answer. It was like, you know what? I'll look into that. Get back to you on that. 225 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,520 You know what I do? And this is how you get out of anything. Yeah. I'll double check with the team 226 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:14,920 and get back to you. That's great. Or similarly. Yeah. I'll run my eyes over the calcs. Yeah. I'll 227 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:22,440 just double check that for you. And that totally takes the blame off you. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, 228 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,560 you just have to figure it out. That's it. And you just, sometimes you just have to shout at an old 229 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:34,040 man and tell him he is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're completely right. Um, like a lot of our, 230 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:41,000 you know what? Um, it's not even like a lot of our, like our, our kind of clients who we used to work 231 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,840 for, like they knew what they want. So I find it would be like, um, and like they're usually fine 232 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,960 with the like, here, we're going to give you this. And they're like, okay. Yeah. I find it's like, 233 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,360 when you're talking to different teams along the way and then, um, like, you know, uh, like the 234 00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:01,480 likes of, um, I'm sure like, you know, electrical and sustainability, there's stuff like, have you 235 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,600 ever had a sustainability engineer come up to you and be like, I need these lights, so and so, 236 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:13,400 lemons per circuit, what? And you're like, you're like, well, hold on. Like, let me do this or like 237 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,560 needs to be this or. It kind of gets a little bit conflicting because in a lot of the jobs we do, 238 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,000 it's Briam outstanding or Briam excellent. Yes. Yeah. Which is all well and good until you're 239 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,520 in glare control and you know, you've done all your calculations and a totally different fit in 240 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:37,960 and it doesn't have the correct values and you're caught then because you've costed it at this 241 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,000 fitting and you might need this kind of bespoke one. Okay. Yeah. So you're kind of caught all of 242 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:51,800 the time, not all of the time, but you are, you know, you're constantly conflicted between, um, 243 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,120 what's the best approach was for you and for the clients. So it's just finding that balance. 244 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:04,520 No. Yeah. Just right. Like our, like you met a Fibity there and she'd be like, um, 245 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,880 Briam like in the Briam team, like Briam assassin and don't know, like, what is it? 246 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,200 The way to work. But like they cover it. It's just like, well, okay. I'm going to go back to my safety, 247 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:27,880 my set counts. Before being a Maz person. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but also, so hold on. Yeah. 248 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,920 No, hold on. I was talking about imposter syndrome. Was that imposter syndrome acting up? I don't know. 249 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,360 But yeah, like it's great. Like that it's funny because you often find this would be a thing among 250 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:50,760 women, like the imposter syndrome. But like I find it really nice the way that like most women in 251 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:56,120 engineering or STEM like seem to have it. And it's like, okay, we can kind of all support each other 252 00:26:56,120 --> 00:27:01,640 and that. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'm like, this is why there needs to be like, you know, maybe all 253 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,320 the days of importance. So like happy International Women's Day or I think there's a women in 254 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:14,040 construction day. Oh yeah. And I'd like, you know, you can maybe see the eye rolls, like, you know, 255 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,160 people are like, oh, that day. I'm like, no, no, this is why it needs to happen because people 256 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,280 should be appreciated and celebrated. Like you're like, you're in this, like, um, you're in this, 257 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,720 like workforce and it's tough, like not just for women, like this work construction and electrical 258 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:37,320 mechanical energy design. It's tough for everyone. Like, yeah, no, absolutely. And I think, you know, 259 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:44,200 there's often the argument, why isn't there an International Men's Day? Yeah. And you know, 260 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:52,440 whenever you're talking 20 guys to one girl, it is important that, you know, you do help aid 261 00:27:52,440 --> 00:28:01,800 even the next generation coming up. You know, we do a lot of work with, um, STEM and I'm a STEM 262 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:08,760 ambassador. So that kind of is encouraging, you know, teenagers, little girls and boys, you know, 263 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:15,560 to get involved in the sciences because, you know, at the end of the day, it's only in the past few 264 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,240 years women even have that option. And I would be a massive advocate for a woman and a girl. 265 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:27,720 To be as educated as they could be. Yeah. You know, always put your best foot forward. You know, 266 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:36,280 people have died for the girls to get their vote. Yes. You know, and then like up until 1975, 267 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,440 you had to get your husband's permission to open a bank account. Oh my goodness. Like that's the 268 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:49,480 parents age. That's wild. So I just think the more we can do now to encourage that, um, you know, 269 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,960 get all the girls educated. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. This is why you're a whipsy. This is why 270 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:03,320 I am whipsy. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's massively important. You know, you see so many girls going, 271 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:12,520 I hate maths, I hate science. You know, it's so, so cliche that the girl goes down the artsy path 272 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:19,880 and the man goes down the science path. And actually all the smartest girls and all the big 273 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:28,200 revelation were all from girls. Yeah. This is, this is like in each of these episodes, I like to 274 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,880 do like a wee tidbit, like to advertise the episode. Oh yeah. And what you just said there, 275 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,880 like that'll definitely be sectioned off. That's like, yes, here come the girls. Yeah. I play 276 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:49,640 here. Oh, but that's brilliant. Okay. Okay. So I've pulled up this webpage. Okay. And now 277 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,120 I'll ask you two questions from it. Okay. Cause we did talk a lot about imposter syndrome and we 278 00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:01,080 deserve a break to talk about nicer stuff. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So I got this from the pro 279 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:10,360 crap, pro professors.com slash quiz school slash story, and then a lot of, um, fun numbers. Um, 280 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,880 so it's actually like a typed in electrical engineering, fun quiz questions, and this is 281 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:22,120 the site that came up. So we're going to take this with a pinch of salt. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 282 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Before working on a circuit, you must line the power supply. So is it A, switch on? Is it P, 283 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:37,640 switch off? Is it C, hold? Or is it D, throw? Um, I would like to click box and B, 284 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:47,080 turn off the power supply. You are correct. Yes. That's fine. You win. 285 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,920 All of my mentors and bosses are like, please say B. 286 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:04,200 Okay. Got another one. Okay. Okay. And yeah, it's pretty tricky. Okay. Okay. So electricity is made 287 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,400 at a power plant. Yeah. I said that so weirdly. So electricity is made at a power plant by a huge 288 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:27,960 A, motor, B, generator, C, coil, or D, wire. Is it a motor? You're so close. 289 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 It's a generator. 290 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760 You know what? I think this is a really American based site. 291 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,960 And I would like to use Clarify. It's my reputation that it's probably the motor 292 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:54,520 and the generator doing it. It definitely is. Like what power is the generator? It's the motor. 293 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:02,760 I feel like I was set up there. Definitely. Definitely. Okay. It is. It's a six. 294 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,800 This will be recounted. Okay. No, there's, um, one of my, like one of the first episodes we did, 295 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,480 or the second episode of it, I did it with my director, Alan. Yeah. And I asked him, um, 296 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,600 like, you know, these questions and I was like, okay, I'm going to give you names or terms, 297 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,680 which we come across by giving you the opposite of the names. Um, and a lot, I thought were like, 298 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,400 really like simple. I'm like, he's going to get this. No problem. And then when it came to it, 299 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,160 he's like, you know, what, like, what did you just say? I'm like, okay, maybe. But it is. It's so 300 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,640 difficult. Like I've never not come last in a podcast. Well, I am. You're still sort of 301 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:50,600 up cause except, um, movies, movies I'd be okay at. Like, do you know what I am good at? There's any 302 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:59,640 Simpsons question. I love the Simpsons. Hold on. I need to show you my bag. Okay. Okay. My friend 303 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:11,960 piston got this for me for my birthday. I 29 29. But yeah. So, um, listeners, it says quickie mark. 304 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Okay. My tote bag. Okay. It's gorgeous colors. It's funky. It's the quickie mark colors. Like, 305 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,160 yeah. Um, don't know how she did it, but I'm like, incredibly thoughtful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So shout 306 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,920 out Kristen Dalton. If you're listening, better be listening. Okay. Okay. Brilliant. Okay. So we're 307 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:39,880 off that section, the women among us and also what a relief. Okay. So thank you for paying. Okay. 308 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,960 Thank you so much. Okay. So you mentioned there about working, um, as part of the STEM program 309 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,120 and being a STEM investor. Yeah. Yeah. How did you come across that role or how did I come across 310 00:33:52,120 --> 00:34:02,600 the rest of them? Um, I have no idea. I don't know if I'm going to answer for everything, but I actually 311 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,800 don't have any idea. Um, it was kind of something that Sibsey are pushing a lot at the minute. 312 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,920 Right. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So they're mad keen to get not only young engineers, but anybody in the wider 313 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:24,440 STEM sectors out and about skills. Yeah. No promote science, promote mass technology, 314 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:34,840 the E in STEM. Yes. Engineering. Yeah. So yeah, no, it's been fantastic. Um, it was actually a big 315 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:41,000 event at Titanic there not that long ago. It was like a school fun day. Okay. Yeah. Really, 316 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:50,280 really interactive for the kids. It's like, um, W five if it, yes, drunk a red bull and was crazy. 317 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Oh my goodness. But like it's, um, it's all for a good cause. No, definitely. It's for the children 318 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,200 and their future. Like children are the future. Children are the future. Yeah. See, this is the 319 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,280 thing. Um, there is like, I find it like the, like our industry in general, they might have, so we've 320 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,520 got like certain targets to meet, like, like some retrofitting homes and like buildings, um, and all 321 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:22,200 that and bodies and let's see. Oh my goodness. Sorry. It's the weirdest thing. Thank you. 322 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:33,800 Let's make a full body. Yeah. Um, yeah, no apologies. Um, but yeah, like with us, um, 323 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:41,880 like we've got targets to meet and, um, but it's like the department of, is it economy? But 324 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,880 whoever works in the skills, like green workforce, they have like estimated as like money jobs that 325 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,360 we need to meet those targets. We don't have the workforce to it. Like none of people are going 326 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,400 into this sector. And so like encouraging people's like here, if you go into the sector, not only are 327 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,520 you doing something that, um, like, you know, could help meet the 2050 targets. It's something 328 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,640 that's like really needed. And it's a kind of that like, not safety, but like, like you're, 329 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:14,360 you'll probably always have a job. Yeah, I think, I think a lot of people see engineering and they 330 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,600 see four years at uni as heavy and it is tough. Like second year, you will cry. Yeah. Yeah. 331 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:28,200 Everybody comes out of it. Yeah. You know, and the jobs are great and there's such a demand for jobs. 332 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,360 No, at the end of the day, people always need buildings. Yeah. You know, this is it. And 333 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:40,680 yeah, no, I would absolutely encourage anyone if they had any kind of interest in it all to jump 334 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:48,760 into it, give it a go. Yeah. No, yeah. No, you're just right. Like I try to, um, what is it? Just 335 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,840 because I always find it was, it's the biggest shock coming into the workforce. And like, see 336 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,480 when I was doing my degree and before I went on placement, no idea, like, you know, what any of 337 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,920 this was about. And then as soon as you get that real life experience, you're like, wow, okay, like 338 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,920 this is it. So even like the likes of like, places are happy to, to people on it's like, yeah, 339 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,240 come in, come in here for a bit and then I can show you what it's like. Yeah. I find that, you 340 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:20,760 know, it's that knowing what you're getting out the other side. That also helps. So many people 341 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,280 don't even realize the work it takes. You know, people walk into buildings and no one is ever 342 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,240 like, how did this get here? Who made this? You know? And whereas walking into them now, I was 343 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:38,840 like, whoa, humidity in this, like, it's just right. Now I walk into buildings now and I like 344 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,440 straight up at the services. I'm like, oh, I would not have put the lights like that. Wait, that's, 345 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,200 that's 80 women's per circle. Like, oh, don't know if that's meeting the targets. 346 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,720 See, like that's the thing. Cause it's even, I think my director, Alan, he said something very, 347 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:03,960 like, it just kind of like, it's the word synced with me or just kind of hit me. I'm like, whoa. 348 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,120 He's like, people don't realize that they have the right to be comfortable. Like when you walk, 349 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,680 yeah. But like when you walk into a building and you're like, yeah, okay. Like, you know, 350 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:18,040 like a hotel or a library or any office work, you're like, yeah, okay. Like, yeah, 351 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,200 any office work. You're like, yeah, okay. This is comfortable. But then the design it took to get 352 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,320 it to that. And it's like, it's very, I don't know. There's a lot of forces at work, a lot of. 353 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,440 Well, absolutely. Like, anytime I go home and visit my mom, I'm like, oh, we're doing this, 354 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:41,160 this week and whatever. And she's like, like, how do you actually do that? I'm like, I have no idea. 355 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,720 You know, when it's crazy to think that you're just doing these things and then suddenly you 356 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:52,200 have a fully active BMS panel control in the heating and a building. Yeah. You know, 357 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,280 and it is, it's still like. Yeah. BMS, that's like a term also. Like we're hearing like so 358 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,640 much in the past, like a couple of years. You're like, wow, pretty cool. Yeah. And it's one of 359 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:09,000 those things that sometimes it's mechanical, sometimes it's electrical. Yes. Yeah. It's a 360 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,800 joint team force. But like, I must get you back on to talk about meters as well because. Not meters. 361 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,840 Not the meters. Anything but the meters. 362 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:29,800 No, we're seeing a massive everywhere on meter and now they want to manage the loads. Yeah. 363 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,240 Kind of run the loads off over like a month or two, work out when they're using the most kilowatts, 364 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:44,680 when they're not, their peaks. Yeah. You know, there was a while there that the bigger buildings 365 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:51,400 were selling their electricity back to the likes of like NIE, ASB and all of that. Okay. But like 366 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,600 the grid's too overcrowded now. So people are sitting with these massive generators and 367 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,720 transformers. Right. And nothing to do with the electricity. Oh, for goodness sake. Which is really 368 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:10,600 crap. You know, it's, it's full of waste, but once we get the grid upgraded. Yeah. Yeah. It's 369 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:17,400 going to be all systems though. Very good. I'm sure there'll be people at the event in June. 370 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Like, you know, who'll be from the grid. Yeah. The grid team. The grid team. The grid team. 371 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,480 And then the electric team. Yeah. No, the event will be great. I'm really, really looking forward 372 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:35,720 to it. Fair play to Max. He has done an extensive amount of planning on it. Yeah. Mostly because he 373 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:43,640 does not like to share. Okay. Yeah. It's not a democracy. Yes. Yeah. This is what we're doing. 374 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920 Okay. This is what we're doing. And you did great, but we're doing it like this. 375 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,280 I'm so sorry, Max. I'll tag him in this. It was like, Max, you better listen to timestamp. 376 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,480 Two hours later. Everyone, we're looking for you in the co-pilot. 377 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:08,120 So sorry. Oh my goodness. But yeah, like, you know, like that, that's great. Like, well, 378 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,520 but like I'll be at that event as well. So I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Did a lot of events 379 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,920 today. The one in June, the one in July. Yeah. Yep. Class. I'll probably only be there for 12 380 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,120 hours. Like I'd say when it starts at six and then probably around half, seven, quarter, eight. And 381 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:32,280 you just could add all, cause I'm going to go see bowling for soup, which is it's, it starts. I think 382 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,800 they start around nine, but the doors open at seven and it was a birthday present for my sister. So 383 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:45,320 I'm like, okay, I'm going. Yeah. So yeah, we'll see. So I'll network on your behalf. Yeah. Yeah. 384 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,560 You're like, I'm like Sipsy. And then you're like, Oh, what about Dundee Institute? You're like, 385 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,160 ah, Sipsy. I don't have any energy. I'll have room with two business cards, yours and mine. 386 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:02,520 And whoever seems to like take the path. Yeah. Like, oh, there you go. It looks like, you know, 387 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,120 it's like you'd said this. Yeah. I'm going to make mine like Rambos and hearts and love 388 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,040 it. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a really sad, miserable beige. Yeah. It's actually crumpled. 389 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:17,400 Yeah. It's actually old news. It's the real name. And it's not even your correct email. 390 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:25,320 Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll come back with all the like, you know, cards and everything. 391 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:34,600 Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You've been absolutely wonderful to have 392 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:40,520 much. And you've given like such insightful stuff and like, I hope it's like helped people. I think 393 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,480 it definitely has like, um, the reasons like, let's start this just the reassurance like of 394 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,080 like what the job is like, because I'm sure like you've seen it too, maybe the amount of 395 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,640 dropouts of people in your degree, like, because people are like, this isn't what I thought it was 396 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,520 going to be. Yeah. And like, that's okay. Cause like, hopefully they're like in something that 397 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,800 they love like no. Um, but then just like, hopefully reassuring people it's like this what it's like. 398 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,960 And it's, it's not so scary. No, it's not scary. I think it's brilliant. But you know, I have to 399 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:17,480 say that. Yeah. No, I actually don't. It's actually, it's great. Um, and I would really 400 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,920 encourage anybody thinking about it to just dive into it and see what happens. Brilliant. Yeah. 401 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,040 Um, I usually say, do you have any advice about dive into it and see what happens? What's the worst 402 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,160 that can happen? What's the worst that can happen? Like that's it. Yeah. That is you could like, 403 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,000 you know, you'll be designing buildings like, you know, it's the best thing that's going to happen. 404 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,920 Yeah. So yeah. Well, but thank you for coming on. No worries. Thank you. Thanks for listening to 405 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,800 Carbon Climates. If you follow us on Instagram at carbon underscore climates, you can keep up to 406 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:54,440 date with all our latest news about our, um, any events we attend and those episode uploads. 407 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:07,720 Okay. Thanks for listening. Bye. You all say bye. Bye.