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Hello, thanks for listening and welcome to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated

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to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to focus on what's

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getting hot besides from our planet. I'm your host, Ania, and today I'm joined by my Carbon Climate

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co-host, Bailey, who I'll be introducing now. Hello everybody. So Bailey is a PhD student

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at Ulster University focusing on low carbon buildings and we're going to dwell, delve,

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just dwell, you know, mess up even more, it's grand. They love the real life.

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We're going to dwell then, right in.

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Dwell right in into your job in a bit. But can you tell us first, how have you been? How's your week

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been? Can you tell us a bit about yourself? So I've been busy, busy. What have I been up to

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this week? So I've actually been on site by Passive Houses, both in Marifel and Monaghan.

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Just the admin stuff really, changing batteries and things like that, all the good and exciting

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just in the ocean, you know. I was at Marifel yesterday. I reconnected a few bits of equipment

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back to online and today, yes, I was doing my tutorials on law and governments because we're

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required to do a bit of teaching to get maybe a day working with the university later. So I was

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teaching law and governments to quantitative errors and environmental health students.

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Very, very good. And you're teaching in the new Ulster University building?

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I am.

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Yeah. How do you find it? It's so much, it's like a dream compared to where we were at Jordan's

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mind. It really, really was. Everything's so new in there and it makes it more exciting to go on

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and things like that, you know what I mean? I love it. Everyone else loves it and even the students

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love it too. So it's fun for everybody. I think I just remember Jordan's time, the block, the

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the lawn, like, you know, like I used to do the engineering classes in the lab, which is at the

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start of the building, like block 16. Yes. And then maybe had a lecture all the way at the other end.

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I know and it's like a long, long, the mile, the long, the more, the mile.

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So could you describe or give us the title off your PhD or your role or just?

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Mm hmm. So I, my title, my job title is a PhD researcher at the Ulster University.

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My title of my topic, we haven't fully got a concrete one yet because it's all subject to

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change and it'll be probably finalized by again soon. But essentially my title is like low energy

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design versus passive house. But my sole focus or gap in research is an offsite volumetric passive

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house located in Northern Ireland. So in, in Cointidary. Wow. Okay. Very impressive.

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Yeah. So my full but one. That must be, that must be really interesting to explain to people. Like

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think as soon as people think like house, they're like, like, I love talking to people where it's

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like, okay, yeah, this affects me as well. It's like, oh, here, what type of house can I get in

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the future? It's, you know what? It actually really opened up my eyes as well, because when you think

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of building house construction, it's the, like the bricks and the cement and things like that,

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where this house was actually built inside, like indoors and it's a tent that construction. So they

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have like a big yard, like warehouse at the side and the house was built in three sections. So

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bottom floor, first floor, and then the roof. And that was all, it took a couple months to build.

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And then, but that house was all put together like a jigsaw in one afternoon. It took a couple

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hours. So it really is a whole new, different way of house construction. It is absolutely brilliant.

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And the house itself, it's a lovely house. And you wouldn't have no idea that it was like,

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it looks like a jigsaw. Obviously it's not the purpose, but you know what I mean? It's such a

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far better way to really open up my eyes. Okay. Brilliant. Okay. Definitely delve into that more

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later. Again, I messed up 12. Okay. I think it's just over. So could you tell us how long have you

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been in the sector? I don't even see, to be honest, like I don't even feel like I'm fully

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in the sector. I feel like I'm earning my right to be, and it's, if that makes sense, like my PhD,

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like I'm stepping on, even though I've been there like years now essentially. If you want to say,

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I've been doing my undergrad energy. So four years, that's probably about five and a half years.

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Five and a half years. Yeah. How about that? You know what? Every time I'm on this, I'm on that,

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this, like I'm doing an episode of this. And I say like, I've been in this sector, like, you know,

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post, like in every, like in the sector so many years, every episode it changes. So sometimes

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it's nine, sometimes it's six. Sometimes it's six. And it's like, right. Okay. What are we counting

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from? But yeah, no here. That's right. I think I felt like that, like I think right after, like,

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not even right after I left uni, but this job, when I, like the first couple of months of it,

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I'm like, I need to. Yeah, you need to find your feet in you. But yeah, no, I get you. I think

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it's because I haven't fully gone out and worked with companies and things like that. I've always

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been in the university setting. So I feel like I'm still learning more than contributing. If that

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makes sense. You know what I mean? Like projects and things like that, but obviously that's what

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the PhD is. But I don't know. It's just how I feel sometimes and going, I'll get there. I am getting

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there. But you're like, you're at the forefront, like you're developing. You were talking previously

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before the episode began, Emma, about using the same software, IES. Yes. And like, and then

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you're using the passive house tool, but you're probably going to be developing and looking up

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all these techniques that like we will eventually use in the future. So you're at the forefront,

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definitely. I'm still learning. It's a slow process, but we'll get there. Well, see when

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you're at school, did you ever emphasize yourself in this sector? See, to be honest, no, I don't

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think I ever really had an idea of what I wanted to do. But looking back and reflecting, I think I

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was always in this area. If you know what I mean, like, like extra collector stuff. So I was always

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my subjects in school that I was really passionate about with science and geography. So that really

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lines up with where I am now. But outside of school, I would have done volunteering at the

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rubber watch locks agency in Derry. So they would have done the foil ambassador programs,

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which was like getting to know your local community and doing like litter pegs and things

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like that and taking away invasive species like maline balsam and things like that. So I was like

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the social worker. I was a part of it. So I was like working with the locks agency, but I was also

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part of that group. So no one could come to me for things like that. And I could tell them my

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experience because I did it a couple of years ago and it was a brilliant program. It really was. So

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I think I've always been involved in that area so that it makes sense for me to be where I am.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's actually really good to hear that like, you're almost like you're drawn,

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you're like, you're caught, the sector called to you. It was just all around me. I didn't even

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realize, I think I was just quite naive. I don't really think about things much, but like a night,

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I was always a part of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's, that's really great.

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Um, I'm not going to tell you what I wanted to do or what I thought I was going to do,

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but when I was 18, I was going to be a sociologist. I think everybody has a dream. I swear to God,

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like, like I'm going to work with animals in Africa. Like this is going to be amazing. You

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know, like the wild form berries, like, and stuff like that. Um, then, then kind of dawned on me,

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you need to be good at biology. And I was, I was scraping, I was scraping C's.

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Like, you said that because I applied for biology in Queens. That was my first choice. It wasn't

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human biology. It was plant biology. Right. So it was like biological sciences, but that aligns up

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with marine biologists and zoologists. They all have the same first year. So we're living the same

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kind of life. But I, um, that was my first choice. And, um, I, to be honest, I actually didn't get

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the grades. I got BBC, but you need three B's. They have me on the Whitten list and I thought

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this was the end of the world. Yeah. Um, but look, I spoke with my family and my dad, he's,

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he actually does built in services. Like, um, he worked, um, a company based in England. And so he

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gets, he gets a lot of things that I'm doing and the regulations and practices and things like that.

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And whenever that there, the end of the world was happening, he thought that is not the course that

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you should be doing this other course. Energy is where you want to be. That will be right in for

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you. It'll be so much more interesting. And I'm so glad that it all happened because I think it

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would have dropped out of biology because I don't think I was that good at it. I really, really

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don't. I just had this dream of being a really cute, um, honestly. Oh yeah. Definitely. That's

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really great. And that's really great. You have that, um, encouragement and everything, just so

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like steer your right, like in a sense of, okay, yes. I need someone to kind of check and sometimes,

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you know what I mean? Um, but honestly, it was the best like thing to happen, not getting where I

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wanted to be because it's not where I was meant to be and look where I am now. I've come so far and

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I'm still going. Yeah. So that was the best thing that could happen for me really in terms of like

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educational thing. Uh, brilliant. Brilliant. Nice. Okay. Well, as I said at the start, um, your PhD,

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it focuses on low carbon buildings with a specialty towards passive house. Um, um, you used

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like a really like an intricate term to describe it. It was like, was it the volume? Off-site

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volumetric modular. I know, I know everyone thinks the same. And we were talking about before the

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podcast, um, just about your dome of passive house and the till. And what I would do predominantly is

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focus on SAP, which kind of like they're essentially the same energy assessment software.

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However, passive house includes so much more like, um, like, you know, and more focuses on like the

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likes of the design for like no heating, like, or no cooling in the building. Um, but I was telling

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you about SAP and, uh, what was I saying? Yeah. So essentially the like passive house tool in my ice,

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passive house tool or something equivalent to something like it, um, in the future,

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that's what Northern Ireland should be using to assess houses for the likes of EPC ratings or

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building control calculations. Because the SAP software we use now, uh, it is SAP called SAP 2009

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and my house called SAP 2009 because it came out in 2009. Um, so it is essentially 15 years out of

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date. Uh, no, we did have new building regulations in Northern Ireland come out. Um, that say we need

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to get, um, a 15% or 25% betterment against like a carbon reduction on this. Uh, but still it's like

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the methodology is, um, so I dated England, Scotland and Wales, they all use SAP 10. Yeah, of course,

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of course we're lost. And I actually got really into, um, like, I'm like, why, why did this, like,

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you know, why did this happen? And I looked back and found, um, like, okay, it all started to

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diverge when we weren't updated in 2012. All right. And why, like, what happened? Well, yeah,

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the executive decided to focus on rate on testing. Um, and then again, started to diverge even more

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when we weren't even further updated in 2016. Here in 2016, Brexit was announced and then the

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executive disbanded for three years. And then it said, we're going to review it in 2020 and then

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2020. Yeah. So, and it's like, oh my goodness, like it's, it's just weird. Like the geopolitical,

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the external things that happen that like, it affects absolutely everything, doesn't it?

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What pissed me off from what I was telling you, um, about for, um, so like the SAP software calculates

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EPC ratings and they're being used on houses and they can't, like, and so essentially it's an

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outdated software that's calculating your EPC rating. Um, and so your EPC rating, you could

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be getting a better or worse EPC. If you're getting a better EPC, your house could be valued

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up more possibly. If you're getting a worse EPC, then you could actually be entitled to funding or

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a grant that can help improve your home, improve your energy efficiency because the better the EPC,

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the less fuel you use. Um, and so you're saving money and yeah, apologies. I just went on a,

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no, no, no, no.

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But yes. So you focus on passive house, which stands for like passive house, low carbon buildings

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and passive house is essentially a standard of measuring energy efficiency in a house without

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the use of heating or cooling or like without the use of focusing on heating and cooling.

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So it's pure, like it's purely focusing on the design of the house. Design of the house. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it refers to a building that yeah, that's not requiring a heating system

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or post air heating. And yes. Okay. I've got a couple of sections here for later that I'm going

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to save. But really good. So could you give us a breakdown for them off what your research

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is looking at? So the volumetric, I'm not, I'm not going to repeat what you just said.

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So my research, so I am looking into, so I have essentially five houses that I'm monitoring.

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Three of them are passive, two are non-passive, but they are low energy designed.

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So my gap in research is the house that I have in Myerfeld, which we are

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currently working with, um, Zatanta Construction, um, Mark Grubbin. Um, we work very closely with

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him. He has been absolutely amazing. He is the most interesting man ever. He's really, really

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involved in the whole passive house field. So he has come up with the offsite volumetric. Um,

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and that's from the gap in research as, so that's in Myerfeld. So that's one of them. And now down

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in Monaghan, um, in Casablanay, there is four houses there, um, two are passive, two are non-passive,

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but the two non-passive, low energy design construction, but they have heat pumps in there.

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Um, the two non-passive houses, sorry, the two passive houses, um, in Monaghan, they actually

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don't have any renewable technology in there. While it's, um, desired for passive house

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construction, they have renewables. They, it's not an essential, it's not a requirement. So they don't

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have it. Um, but in Monaghan, them four houses, they are actually within, um, social housing.

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Um, so it's actually really interesting to see how, um, because the social housing sector, like a lot

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of the houses will not really be the EPC in there, it might not be great. So it's really beneficial

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for us to find out and also for the council. Um, Monaghan council are very keen for us to, um,

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give them feedback, um, where they want, how they want to invest their money in social housing and

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construction. So is it worth their while they invest in passive house or is it's going to give

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us the same kind of outcome as low energy design, which might be a bit cheaper, um, do work that you

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construct. Um, so my research will look into things like that. Um, I'm going to do a life cycle

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assessment on the, um, passive house in, um, Meyerfeld. I can't do all that. Why I was aiming

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high at this time last year. You think you can tick on the world? No, no, you gotta love yourself

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and what you can do and give it your best possible of all day. So we've settled on just doing that

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for, um, Meyerfeld and then Meyerfeld again, we are going to do, well, we, me, um,

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we're going to use IES software, um, put the plans of, um, Meyerfeld and IES and that will then,

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we'll be able to see if we can, um, so what is really important when we actually have learned

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from people, um, it's not how houses are performing now, it's how they're going to perform in future,

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like in terms of future climates, like whenever things get, if they get warmer, then how are the

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houses going to perform. So IES will allow us to, um, fluctuate temperatures for future and see how

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they'll perform in the future. And then also maybe in different, um, climates, different areas of the

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world. Um, so not only for testing at Northern Ireland and how it will be, I will work there

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and then it would also, we can put it into a different type of area and see how it will work

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in, um, other climates and things like that, like across Europe. So it is, it is a tool that I am

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starting to learn, but I will get there, but no, it will be really, really useful. It'd probably

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be the most interesting part of my PhD. Um, so I'm in the process of learning that while I'm

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still gathering data and finishing off that review and getting some like ethics approvals and things

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like that. So a lot of ongoing things, but that is the one that I'm most excited for is to really

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get that going on the IES and things like that. Well here, if you ever need again, if you ever need,

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I will absolutely take it. I can get to it really, really well. Any like, you know, love to say,

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anyway, I can. Um, it's funny, you're talking about the different climates,

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because I know those weather files, yes, like the DSI, DSY2 and DSY3. Um, but we would use those

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when we're doing, um, like a planning application for somewhere in London. Um, and like, you know,

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test the building, like, okay, does it survive under these weather files? Um, but yeah, I've

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just finished one today as well. Um, and also, yeah, it is, it is bad. Like, you know, it's, it's, we're trying

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our hardest to get it to pass under DSY1. Yeah. Like, but the DSY2, which, um, there's, there's,

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files means, but I think it's like extreme, like, you know, and then DSY3 is even worse. Um, yeah,

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like they're, they're so like, it's really hard to get, like, buildings to pass. Um, but it's

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very interesting. Yeah, it's a, it was meant to be maybe a bit more expensive. So, but I, it's,

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it's what we can do. It's what I can do in the three years that I have. So that may as well put

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all my focus on the volumetric, because that's where the gap is. Yeah. And especially Northern

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Ireland, because there's not any passive, um, volumetric in Northern Ireland. This is solely

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like, it's not as, it's like a test house. So it is, it's not a house that is in the middle of, um,

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a house in a state or things like that. It's solely offsite. It really is. It's the most rural

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thing ever, but we actually have occupants living in there so we can get some real life data

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on how it's going and things like that. Oh my goodness. So they are absolutely loving it.

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And it is a lovely house. And we ask them some questions like, hi, is it warm in here? Are you

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too warm in here? Cause I can't be over 25 degrees. And they're going, no, it's absolutely fine.

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It's absolutely fine. And they're, they're really, really, they're getting the benefit out of it to

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you and seeing, well, why isn't everywhere like this? You know what I mean? So it really is the

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future and I'm excited for it. But like, how long have they been in the house? So they have been in

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there now, um, from May, so they're in there nearly a year. Yeah. Oh, wow. They're in there

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nearly a year. Um, one of them, so it's actually a man he is from, I'm not sure whereabouts he's

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from. I think he's quite local, but his wife is from Canada. And so they actually moved home from

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Canada and they moved into this test house because I think they, um, they know Mark or there's some

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sort of connection there. Um, but they moved, he asked them, they need, you need some volunteers

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essentially. And they were going, absolutely. So they are, they really benefiting from it.

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And so am I, I'm getting all their data. So I am so, yeah, not to one month, everyone. That is,

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I like, that is amazing to hear. Um, the real life data, like it just shows you the actual.

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Exactly. It's really interesting because you could, we, we monitor like the energy consumption, um,

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heating and things like that. But we also monitor the indoor air quality, which is obviously really

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important because the passive bodies are so airtight. Yeah. Is it going to affect the indoor air

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quality and think, is it going to be stuffing things like that where we have, um, um, modern

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equipment like it's called Natatmo, um, where you can monitor temperature, um, CO2, humidity,

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radon, um, PM 2.5 VOCs, everything like that. And it's really interesting when you look at the,

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because you're getting the real life data, cause you're able to pinpoint times where they come

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home and things like that. And you know what I mean? One is in the children's bedroom. So we're

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going to, I think I'm still going to put, you know, it's really, you can really put it in the

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real life perspective. So it is really interesting. Wow. And it's funny you mentioned,

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mentioned about the air quality or the air, like, you know, the air passage, um, cause, uh,

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like we would look at air probability tests for like the SAPs and EPCs and at the minute, like,

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well, um, and there has been a recent change in standards from SAP 10 to SAP 2012. Um, yeah,

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I said that the right order. I'm sure I did. Um, but like apparently all the air tester

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subcontractors and anyone who's listening, who's an air tester, please come on and correct me if

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I'm wrong. Um, but like they use the blower door method. So they get a fan and like tape it up.

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called pulse, like air testing. And you know what? I don't even know enough about it to like, you

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know, explain it, but, um, you're supposed to get with the blower, um, door air testing, um, method,

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you were getting values like three or four, uh, whereas the pulse air testing, getting like not

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point two, like, but it was like measured in a different unit. Um, not too sure. Like,

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like next time you're on, I'll find out more. Yeah. Oh, well that's like brilliant. And we're

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talking about there. So you are your, you're like halfway through my second year, second year of

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your PhD. That's, that's amazing. That's class. Like they got any sites about where you want to

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take your research at all or like to no idea. I was thinking initially, um, a few months back,

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I wouldn't mind staying in the university setting. I think I'm a forever. I think I don't think I

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get comfortable and I don't want to leave, but I'm ready to go and see where I can do

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any more. I can go and you know, me, so I have no plans, but I'm open for anything really. I don't

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think I'm very picky. Listen, I'm speaking on behalf of, um, our director, Ellen, but EPP,

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you're always there. Like, you know, tie Allen. He was like, and you can have a word with you.

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Oh, brilliant. But okay. So you're doing a PhD. Is that kind of the training in itself or was

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there any sort of program you had to look at or it's just pure research to like get your, like,

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you know, go into this like field? Research. I am, I feel like a toddler sometimes. I,

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I think I go to my supervisors and I have to go on asking those outrageous questions. I think

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sometimes I think I come in and they're going, Oh gee, first of all, does she want, but I don't

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think I had any training. I think I would have really, really benefited from training, but

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sometimes it's better just to get stuck into it. You know what I mean? You get things done and you

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get exactly what you want. Um, my undergrad, would I say that I trained me? Um, see, to be honest,

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no, I have a, but we did a bunch of, um, passive, but we didn't do anything obviously to what I'm

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doing now. So, but I did a lot of the renewable set of things like, like wind and things, biomass,

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things like that. But I don't think it essentially trained me. I don't know if it has, maybe I'm,

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maybe I'm just, I'm just blinded, but cause I feel like I still know nothing. No, I wouldn't say if

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I've gone on any training, what I've really would have benefited from was software training. Software.

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Yeah. Cause I am not software girl. No, no way. I will research. It'll take me about a time to

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research. I will, but whenever it comes to software, no, I would love training in that, but Ulster is

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very good. They, um, there's the doctoral college, they will set up workshops and ask everybody, um,

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who's doing research, is there anything you would benefit from? And we will see the, how you popular

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everyone wants, like say, cause I have to learn Python, which is a coding, um, because of so much

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data coming in. It's the likes of Excel is not, it's not compatible. It's phrases. It's been an

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absolute nightmare. So I've tried and trying to learn Python. So they've put on Python classes.

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that. So gone, they're very, they're really, really helpful. So they are as a university,

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they're getting back. I couldn't call them more. I will say this, um, it was actually, I went to

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Ulster for my bachelor's and then I went to Queens for my master's, but Ulster definitely

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provided more resources. I think I've never went to Queens, but I would say that too, to be honest.

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I know so many people that went to Queens and it doesn't seem like they get the same support

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as we do. I think Queens is very quick. Like I felt very, it was like they gave a topic and then

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the quick go, that's what it is. It's very like cold shoulders. You know what I mean? Well, you,

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your university is the big bad world, but no, you need, you need help. You need help. Yes.

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In literary life, you will always get help. You know, and me, if you're in a job, you ask your,

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your director, your boss, your line manager, you will always get the help. So why wouldn't you

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get the help there? So no, I think Ulster really is just, I couldn't apologize anymore, Ulster.

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UUJ forever. UUB now. Oh, I can't even say it. That's brilliant. Well, thanks for,

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thanks for explaining a bit about your role, Bailey. So, oh, actually, hold on before I move on,

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wanted to point out that we had the same placements. Yes. We're former, former placement

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students of Belfast House. Yeah. Belfast Trust in the energy department. You know what? It's so

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weird. I don't know if it's a thing like BC before COVID. I just look at that time differently.

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And I'm like, what was I doing? And like, was I doing it? I think I'm a completely different

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person. I don't even know who that girl is. Before I'm going uni, nothing. You know what I mean?

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that was the first time of myself coming across the built-in monitoring software, like BMS. Yeah.

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Do you do the, is it like the, not the Nitech or it's the remote desktop?

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I can't remember what it was called, but we did. Actually in my year, whenever I was there,

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I think it was maybe my last month or two there, they were changing that. So it's a whole new

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different software or website that they use now. I'm not sure what it's called, but we would have

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had the meters and things like that. It was over 1500 meters across the truss. That is mad.

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I think it was 1500 and two. That's how much it's embedded in my head. Oh my goodness. I know.

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And that bracket is huge. I absolutely loved when like looking up the meters and then you're saying

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if the renewables or the biomass or the CHP was operating and then you've typed it in, did the

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week graph and it was like, you know, yes, I'm like, you have your monthly graphs and things like that.

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Thanks so much for explaining about your job role or your previous experience. It was very insightful.

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So each section or each episode I do, I like to tailor a wee section to my guests, just like about

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them and like ask some questions or spit some facts at them and get their take on them. So

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I originally had a title for this. It's called Dumpy Passive. Very good. I like it. And

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okay, like, you know what, because you like it, I won't change it.

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That's okay. That's good. It's got, it's got the passive sale of approval. Like, you know,

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that's good. That's good. Okay. Well, I want to talk to you about the origin of Passive House.

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So did you know the Passive House, it was created in, really should have taken down the date, but it

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had been, Passive House was created in like the 1980s. And it was by a research organization

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that wanted to follow up an idea of a house without heating. And yes, so that's the way.

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It's from Germany. I think it's maybe really late 80s, maybe 1990, maybe in 89, something like that.

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But it's derived from Germany and it was Dr. Wolfgang's place. Wolfgang's, like it looks

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familiar. So it's from Germany. I can't remember which part of Germany. I think it was, we remember

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looking at it, maybe North, something like that. But no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Of course you knew

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that because you're like, you're in the sector. Okay. But yes, well, you're talking about

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researching areas in Northern Ireland of Passive House. So did you know in 2022,

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there was, it was announced that there would be 219 Passive House homes to build? Yes, I read that.

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So I did. Yeah. And what I, like I read this article and, or like I read their article

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and what I loved about it is the guy, I'm going to name him because he was named in the article.

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So it's okay. It's public domain. Okay. I won't get sued. But the guy, John Carrigan,

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Carrigan, apologies if I mispronounce his name. But he said that he, like he had the house

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and he was like, oh, I was shocked to see the price of my fuel bill. Yeah. But I could afford it.

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I could afford how much oil was. But then I started thinking about the people who couldn't afford it.

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Yeah. And like, well, that might do. So it's like, okay, you're a killer. You're designing these

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houses that don't necessarily need heating or cooling and just pretty much like save people,

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yeah, hundreds, thousands even on fuel bills. Yeah. I actually work closely with a man,

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a Shane Coakley. He does, he is very, very high up in the passive sector. I think he's a part of the

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passive institute. Yeah. Maybe I'm saying the wrong title, but he is absolutely right. He's done a

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pile of research. He did his, I always refer back to his PhD, but he did his in 2010 or 2012. But

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he's done so much passive housework across Ireland. He actually looks a lot in social

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housing as well with passive houses. And I remember him taking a lecture last year and also now

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attended it. And he was going through all the statistics and their data and the results he's

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gotten from his studies. And it was a lot of social housing and things like that. And he was saying,

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well, why aren't we, I'm telling you all this great information and like, this is Britain,

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your fuel costs, but it would be 320 a year, things like that, electricity, why aren't we

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doing it? And then he was saying, he can't, so costs approximately would be three to five grand

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extra. It's actually maddening when you think about it, three to five grand, if you, from

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construction to build your house, you pass a house standard. But if you were retrofitting a house,

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it can cost you, it can cost nearly as much as you want. It's like, it can minimum like 40 grand,

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we don't even know, but it's really, really so much more expensive. And he's thinking, well,

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why aren't we doing this? So in terms of social housing, think of the council, they're not,

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a house in the state of a hundred houses, an extra 35 grand each house, they're not going to do it.

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You know what I mean? It's like much extra money whenever things are operating okay from beforehand.

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And then he was saying like, so you can charge extra, you can charge more rent or whatever for

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energy efficient houses, cause you're not allowed to. And then he was going on date, which I actually

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thought, he was just telling me stuff, I probably, you already know in your head, you know what I mean?

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But whenever someone's saying it out loud, I was going, oh my God, you're right. This is where,

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she is. And then he was saying how like, how it's linked to NHS and how these houses,

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how it costs NHS, I can't know, it would be a couple of extra thousand pounds a year

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for houses that aren't as much as energy efficient because you're going to have people coming in,

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you have like going to have respiratory issues and things like that. So it's like to absolutely

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everything. You know what I mean? And I thought, oh my God, you've given me this lease of life that

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I want to do all this work. You know what I mean? So no, he is one that is really, really, he's so

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interested in, he is a lot of work. He's something I would definitely recommend even like looking

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them up and like like done. He's a very good network to have. Okay. Yeah. I'll definitely,

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he's absolutely brilliant. So yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. I'll, you know, I'll tag him on

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the like, you know, they all know. But that's great. Like, oh, short and sweet. But I hope you

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enjoyed the bumpy passive section. Okay. But yeah. Okay. So you said, you said you've worked on

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domestic. So the five like buildings. Is there any other buildings you've worked on or that you

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want to work on? I would be open. It would be really, really interesting to work on maybe a

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passive building, like an office building or something that will require so much energy. It

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would be so interesting. Like not that I would, I would obviously do retrofitting, but you want it

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to be from the get go. If essentially, you know, to me, you want to avoid all the costs enough

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retrofitting, but it would be really, really interesting to see if implementing passive

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standards and a office building for like SIGAP, because you're going to have even like all the

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lightens and computers and things are on standby constantly because you probably don't, a lot of

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people's systems don't turn off. Yeah. Like your machine at the end of the day, it'd be just really

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interesting in a building like that for work. That would be something really, really good.

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Right. Well, here again, talk to us. We've probably got a couple of trials.

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You can test it. That's good. Okay. Well, I like, I always ask these questions and it's not that

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they're nerdy questions, but can I ask what's your favorite thing to do? And you said about using IES.

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Yeah. What's your favorite thing to do in IES that you've started learning how to do?

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My favorite thing, do you see, oh, you've really hit me with a question. I think the futuristic

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side of IES will be probably not, I've not got there yet because I'm still in the really early

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processes of learning IES because it's such a massive software. But I think that will be the

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most interesting part that I will really love. It's seeing how it'll perform in the future

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climates and things like that. And then putting it in a different area. I think I'll really,

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really enjoy that the most because it's the part I'm most excited for.

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Okay. Yes. That will be really cool. It's always, you always see it. Say you're looking at temperatures.

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Yes. Say you're on assimilation of IES and you're like, okay, those temperatures and then just the

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future just spikes. Like you're like, I guess so much worse. And then it's like, you can change the

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construction of the house. You know what I mean? So that'll just be so cool. It's really interesting.

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That's my minority answer. But yeah, it's really great to see. And it's great to know that now

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the likes of the bachelor's of energy that you studied, they're teaching software programs like

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this or they're letting people know about it. Because even during my bachelor's or my master's

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had no clue by any of this. They covered a bit on BRAM as an environmental rating assessment.

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And then that's half what our company does. I didn't realize the full practicality of everything

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until it's actually in the sector. And it's like, okay. But yeah, it took me, I'm not ashamed to say

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to be fully workable. I've been in this business five years. Again, I'm scared to figure out.

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I'm sure because I need to know what last week. To get your basics, to know your stuff,

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say a month. But the guides out there, they're really helpful. But it took me about a year

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before I was like, okay, I'm fully, I fully get this now. I'll be doing stuff six months in.

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I've got no idea what I'm doing. But I really know what they're doing.

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You think you're in somewhere and you're going, oh my God, I'm an imposter.

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But as you were saying at the start, great encouragement, great encouragement helps.

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When I started IES, I didn't have, I'm not bread to say, I didn't have too good a teacher.

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I kind of got myself from that point. So yeah, see, like, you know, like we, like, this isn't

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a job. BPP aren't like proposing, like, you know, but like, honestly, places like us,

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BELLS and Performance Production, or like anywhere else, I'm trying to think of another

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energy consultancy in Belfast and all I can think of the ones are in England. So,

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I'll just, well, BPP energy for now. But yeah, we're like more than healthy to help out,

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get step by step guide, because the research you're doing is vital. And it's like so important.

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And it's just like, okay, anything we can do to help.

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Be great. Yeah, we'll take absolutely any help I can get. So,

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of course. Thank you.

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Well, you know, I can just say you've been absolutely amazing to have on.

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You've got such useful information and it's been really interesting to talk to you.

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Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

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Just before we go, do you have any advice for any prospective

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engineers or researchers or sustainability professionals?

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Advice? Your network is so important. I didn't realize that until probably the last few months,

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having a good network around you. It is so helpful. And it's great to know what they're doing and

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what experience they have. I think network is absolutely so important and also see the,

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I would recommend if you can do software training. That's how much I need.

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Yeah. But it would be absolutely amazing if I walk into this PhD with IES training under my belt

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or Python, I think things like that. That would have been absolutely a dream.

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No, I think you look at the help around you you can get. It's always really,

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really important and so handy to have. But software training is so, so essential.

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You don't realize when you're going to use it, especially if you're in this area,

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you're going to come across projects or new situations, jobs, whatever you're going to need.

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I guess it would be so handy for anyone to have. So I would definitely recommend IES training or

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PHP training or that's a passive place package. So many, any type of software training that you

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can do, I would definitely recommend doing it. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Well, thank you again,

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Billy. My advice again, that it was just more play on the topic as the don't be passive section.

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I was going to say less aggressive, more passive to kind of like, you know, fight for passive.

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Don't be passive. Yeah, don't be passive guys.

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Oh, that's brilliant. Yeah. Thank you again. You definitely be back on.

421
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