WEBVTT 00:00:16.999 --> 00:00:19.339 Hello, welcome, and thanks for listening to Carbon 00:00:19.339 --> 00:00:22.519 Climates, an energy podcast dedicated to discussing 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:24.940 all things energy, carbon, and sustainability. 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:27.339 We also like to talk about what's getting hot, 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:29.859 besides from our planet. I'm your host, Enya, 00:00:30.019 --> 00:00:32.429 and today I'm joined By my carbon climate and 00:00:32.429 --> 00:00:36.530 co -host, Gareth. Hi, Gareth. Hi. How's it going? 00:00:37.270 --> 00:00:39.590 Yeah, it's going well. How about you? Very well. 00:00:40.250 --> 00:00:44.070 Anyway, so Gareth, we're going to just give him 00:00:44.070 --> 00:00:45.729 your full name in case people want to look you 00:00:45.729 --> 00:00:46.869 up. There's no middle name. Yeah, there's no 00:00:46.869 --> 00:00:50.840 middle name. And so you are a mechanical building 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.340 services engineer in Belfast. I forgot about 00:00:54.340 --> 00:00:56.479 Belfast. Yeah, Belfast. It is Belfast. Yeah. 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:59.820 Oh, OK. It is Belfast. That is me. That is me 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:02.479 correcting. But yeah, so we're going to be talking 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.400 about your job this week and just kind of what 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.280 got you to this level. So first question, which 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.159 I ask all my guests, how's your week been? And 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.739 can you tell us a bit more about yourself? How's 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:16.769 my week been professionally? um or like you know 00:01:16.769 --> 00:01:18.969 personally like personally what's going on like 00:01:18.969 --> 00:01:24.030 actually uh on the garden flat out um mid to 00:01:24.030 --> 00:01:27.390 or early to mid 30s now so i just love being 00:01:27.390 --> 00:01:29.670 in the garden that's just our thing now yeah 00:01:29.670 --> 00:01:32.890 and in reality it's actually just because we're 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:36.090 having people around for the house soon for it's 00:01:36.090 --> 00:01:40.049 on the birthday and and we had a like 20 meters 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:47.099 cubed pond it's filled wow so that yeah I don't 00:01:47.099 --> 00:01:51.799 know why we had this pond before and we didn't 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.359 put in okay yeah a serious amount of rubble has 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:58.879 went into that and all done now yeah all fine 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.659 and actually it was a shout out whitehead facebook 00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:05.359 groups that have helped me fill it like I've 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.900 had to spend very little money doing it and yeah 00:02:07.900 --> 00:02:10.539 but um that's the main thing actually I think 00:02:10.539 --> 00:02:13.240 we've been doing that for like weeks yeah very 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.120 good yeah okay so you definitely like it's perfect 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.419 for the summer like coming into it like uh it 00:02:19.419 --> 00:02:23.180 was very useful well yeah it'll be nice to make 00:02:23.180 --> 00:02:26.639 it safe for your kids running about like you 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.960 know because we're like oh please don't fall 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.259 into the pond but yeah something we needed to 00:02:32.259 --> 00:02:35.180 do since we moved in four years ago but um yeah 00:02:35.180 --> 00:02:37.819 that's the main thing to be honest okay very 00:02:37.819 --> 00:02:41.439 good very interesting And your job title, you 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.280 know, I've just said it, but you can introduce 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:45.840 it if you want. Mechanical engineer, mechanical 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.879 building services engineer. Yeah, answer to all 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:55.000 names. HVAC engineer. HVAC engineer, like whatever 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.479 you, yeah. Professional bluffer. Professional 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.580 bluffer. That's good. I'll message Mike, you 00:03:02.580 --> 00:03:06.030 need to add this title to his name. Okay. yeah 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:10.750 professional buffer bng bng with honors like 00:03:10.750 --> 00:03:13.289 of course yeah oh yeah and see when you were 00:03:13.289 --> 00:03:16.129 at school did you ever did you ever envisage 00:03:16.129 --> 00:03:19.729 yourself in this sector uh i absolutely don't 00:03:19.729 --> 00:03:25.030 i never uh nope engineering for squares and i 00:03:25.030 --> 00:03:28.770 would never have wanted to do this wow um teenage 00:03:28.770 --> 00:03:32.090 me would have said um i always thought i was 00:03:32.090 --> 00:03:35.449 going to do something musical I had looked at 00:03:35.449 --> 00:03:39.349 doing music in like Cardiff University and all 00:03:39.349 --> 00:03:42.129 the careers people in school told me to do this 00:03:42.129 --> 00:03:45.270 and physics teacher told me I should just join 00:03:45.270 --> 00:03:47.550 the army because I just was terrible at physics 00:03:47.550 --> 00:03:51.270 at the time I'm obviously amazing at physics 00:03:51.270 --> 00:03:53.569 now yeah that's why I'm able to do this is that 00:03:53.569 --> 00:03:55.030 is that backed up like if you've got someone 00:03:55.030 --> 00:03:58.629 to I don't know yeah Skype's on or something 00:03:58.629 --> 00:04:02.969 um no but like yeah it's I don't know it's but 00:04:02.969 --> 00:04:09.110 school was non -stop crack primary school i loved 00:04:09.110 --> 00:04:12.770 learning and then secondary school i was just 00:04:12.770 --> 00:04:15.889 like why am i here i hate this i hate this so 00:04:15.889 --> 00:04:18.629 much i don't like it i don't enjoy it um so i'm 00:04:18.629 --> 00:04:20.370 like i don't know if you went to like a grammar 00:04:20.370 --> 00:04:21.970 school or anything but they're very set up of 00:04:21.970 --> 00:04:24.050 like you're gonna go here and you're gonna do 00:04:24.050 --> 00:04:28.129 medicine civil engineering law i know exactly 00:04:28.129 --> 00:04:31.029 if you don't if you don't fit within those it's 00:04:31.029 --> 00:04:36.220 like don't even be here so yeah i went like so 00:04:36.220 --> 00:04:40.160 that's in my hardcore emo phase it's like oh 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.240 i'll just do music and stuff and you know yeah 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.639 little did i know 10 15 however many years later 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:51.160 i would become a special case society so here 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:56.060 i am office work wow um still angsty yeah still 00:04:56.060 --> 00:04:58.300 angsty still listen to it still buying constantly 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:02.430 mcr were you ever at that what's it called the 00:05:02.430 --> 00:05:06.410 emo or the showdown not the showdown it was the 00:05:06.410 --> 00:05:09.870 emo festival or no because ironically i hate 00:05:09.870 --> 00:05:12.870 live music okay i love listening to live music 00:05:12.870 --> 00:05:16.149 i like if i'm the one performing great fine yeah 00:05:16.149 --> 00:05:20.350 and whatever that is my saturday night unlocks 00:05:20.350 --> 00:05:24.589 the pism and i'm just like no but no oh yeah 00:05:24.589 --> 00:05:29.810 here oh yeah center um pavilion Oh yeah, I lived 00:05:29.810 --> 00:05:33.009 in Limelight. Limelight, yeah. I lived in Limelight, 00:05:33.029 --> 00:05:35.850 love that. Oh, it was the Katie's Bar in Limelight, 00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:38.910 wasn't it? It was spring and air break at the 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:42.990 time. Okay. Best gig I've ever been to was in 00:05:42.990 --> 00:05:46.250 spring and air break. Okay, very good. You got 00:05:46.250 --> 00:05:49.149 a lot there. I realised now when I asked that 00:05:49.149 --> 00:05:52.920 last question, I skipped a question. So the fourth 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:54.740 question, which might be the third question, 00:05:54.939 --> 00:05:57.180 how long have you been in this sector? 2016, 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:02.660 I think, was whenever I started. Yeah, I started 00:06:02.660 --> 00:06:05.480 in 2016. I think I had, well, I've said the off 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:10.439 mic. I did a BIM course, like a level four OCR 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.680 BIM course. Yeah. And it was just by sheer chance 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.639 that I did it. Never had any interest in doing 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.819 it. As I always wanted to do music, did performing 00:06:19.819 --> 00:06:21.720 arts in school. always thought it was going to 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:27.040 be something media driven and decided I had a 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:32.600 face more for radio so went into IT stuff did 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.899 windows courses all that there and just never 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:41.000 yeah like I was like I kind of just didn't know 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.500 what I wanted to do that's all yeah and totally 00:06:44.500 --> 00:06:48.879 just fell into this then because my family -in 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:53.459 -law who works at RPS he was like oh kind of 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:56.759 like IT stuff then I think 2016 was whenever 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.180 FIM level 2 was compulsory for like government 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:03.199 level jobs he was like there's this thing coming 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.819 in I mean rabbit and everything's been going 00:07:05.819 --> 00:07:08.579 since like 2012 but it's taken off it's compulsory 00:07:08.579 --> 00:07:12.120 there will be a niche in the industry for this 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:16.379 and maybe you should try it you know so it's 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:18.459 the way you know you would tell a graduate learn 00:07:18.459 --> 00:07:21.689 AutoCAD yeah you could go anywhere you'll get 00:07:21.689 --> 00:07:27.230 a fit in the door whatever and and yeah just 00:07:27.230 --> 00:07:30.209 i did of course i think i was actually we got 00:07:30.209 --> 00:07:32.069 like money back on our mortgage or something 00:07:32.069 --> 00:07:34.509 you know when you sign up for deals and oh 500 00:07:34.509 --> 00:07:39.110 pound or whatever it is and so we had like yeah 00:07:39.110 --> 00:07:41.189 just moved into our first home in 2015 then got 00:07:41.189 --> 00:07:43.810 that money for that and i was like there's nothing 00:07:43.810 --> 00:07:46.860 we want or need put into this invest for the 00:07:46.860 --> 00:07:49.500 future and of course it's like something applying 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:55.839 or whatever I ran from like June to February 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.759 to June it was just like a Monday night I think 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:00.519 they still run up but they bumped it down to 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:06.899 level three okay and I did that for however many 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:10.560 long or however many months that was literally 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.279 then got offered my first job in the industry 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.540 in the September Went for my first interview. 00:08:18.819 --> 00:08:22.639 Company AS, they're consultants now, but they're 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.879 very much there. You can see them. And they were 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.500 kind of just primarily sort of BIM draft work. 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.579 And I'd say it was when it was all just getting 00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:32.899 going. They hadn't really established themselves. 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.980 Like, come to us, contractors, we'll do all of 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:38.840 your 3D, whatever. And it's nothing like what 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.059 they're producing now, but it was really good 00:08:42.059 --> 00:08:45.799 for the time. and it was a great sort of learning 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.139 experience with them and they put me in their 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:52.059 foundation degree then as well so I think I kind 00:08:52.059 --> 00:08:54.960 of came on them under like a higher level apprenticeship 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.240 and maybe like jumped around here going into 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:00.279 other questions you have but this is this is 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:04.360 the journal so did a higher level apprenticeship 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.480 with them and it was you know it's the two -year 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.820 course and whatever and that then would track 00:09:10.820 --> 00:09:14.539 you to the Archange. at Ulster University that 00:09:14.539 --> 00:09:18.500 I moved on to. And yeah, came to Caldwells, worked 00:09:18.500 --> 00:09:21.080 at Caldwells for four or five years. Yeah. Moved 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.460 on to Tate. Here, here. You worked at Caldwells. 00:09:23.460 --> 00:09:27.240 You got to meet amazing people here. Met the 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.840 amazing sustainability team. Yeah, of course. 00:09:30.179 --> 00:09:34.679 Yeah. Sustainability squad. That's our official 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:38.799 title, actually. Yeah, no, 2016. It's crazy to 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:44.139 think, like, it's nearly 10 years. kind of so 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:48.340 wow I know like I don't like thinking like that 00:09:48.340 --> 00:09:51.440 because I'm like oh no but I'm only 24 like you 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:55.159 know so why could that be possible oh yeah well 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.980 I mean looking at whenever I first started like 00:09:57.980 --> 00:10:01.519 what my life is now it's just personally it's 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.600 crazy oh yeah but yeah no here well that's great 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.240 thank you for explaining about your life You 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.299 have ruined future question sections for me. 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.279 Spoilers. But yeah, but it's fine. I will improv, 00:10:15.539 --> 00:10:20.659 okay? Don't worry. But yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. 00:10:21.019 --> 00:10:25.059 So just like probably guess today's topic focused 00:10:25.059 --> 00:10:28.200 around your role, mechanical building services 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.279 engineer. Just to give a bit of a recap, some 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.000 mechanical building service engineers ensure 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.580 the mechanical systems in the building. work 00:10:36.580 --> 00:10:39.399 efficiently, effectively, and are designed officially 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.659 and effectively. So building service engineers, 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:47.200 they're pretty much that group that they design 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.919 and fit the heating, lighting, and power systems 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.700 in the likes of any typical building, office, 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:56.639 residential, student accommodation. I'm in the 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:57.899 sector. I'm literally trying to think of all 00:10:57.899 --> 00:10:59.580 the building types. I'm like, what is retail? 00:11:00.179 --> 00:11:03.990 See, and this is why they had to rebrand. degree 00:11:03.990 --> 00:11:06.669 course from building services and renewables 00:11:06.669 --> 00:11:10.690 to architectural engineering they had to catfish 00:11:10.690 --> 00:11:13.690 people into doing the course yeah basically and 00:11:13.690 --> 00:11:16.529 say it's to do with architecture and they'll 00:11:16.529 --> 00:11:18.350 say that it's because it should be alongside 00:11:18.350 --> 00:11:21.389 the architecture that's because people don't 00:11:21.389 --> 00:11:24.490 know what building services are yeah in my first 00:11:24.490 --> 00:11:27.429 interview I got asked do you know what building 00:11:27.429 --> 00:11:31.110 services are and I didn't per interview prep 00:11:31.470 --> 00:11:34.029 Probably should have known. Got the job. What, 00:11:34.049 --> 00:11:36.570 like a concierge service or something like that? 00:11:37.049 --> 00:11:41.730 I didn't ever know. Like, you know, how would 00:11:41.730 --> 00:11:44.330 you know? Yeah, it's the terminology. It's the 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:47.429 terminology. Like, probably like, if you simplify 00:11:47.429 --> 00:11:50.269 it to people and be like, here, how do you control 00:11:50.269 --> 00:11:53.289 the time? My parents still don't know. When I 00:11:53.289 --> 00:11:55.330 do for years, they thought I do quantity surveying. 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.419 or yeah and like i'm like oh yeah well you go 00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:03.159 to site as well and they've just snipped out 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.620 that i said you go to work and survey or go to 00:12:05.620 --> 00:12:07.580 sites and survey the work and they've went oh 00:12:07.580 --> 00:12:11.620 we know that yeah like my two brothers are sort 00:12:11.620 --> 00:12:14.340 of in trades one is a spark and one sort of started 00:12:14.340 --> 00:12:16.899 out as a brickie but those everything else um 00:12:16.899 --> 00:12:20.539 for people who aren't familiar with the 3d terms 00:12:20.539 --> 00:12:25.009 sorry So Spark. Spark being an electrician. I'm 00:12:25.009 --> 00:12:28.330 totally good, I don't know. And then I'm going 00:12:28.330 --> 00:12:35.009 to tag him in this. And then a bricky bricklayer. 00:12:35.590 --> 00:12:40.370 Yes. He put doors in for me. Very good. You've 00:12:40.370 --> 00:12:44.230 got all the connections. Oh yeah. Okay, well, 00:12:44.350 --> 00:12:47.330 brilliant. So I've been a bit about your job 00:12:47.330 --> 00:12:50.330 title. So before we jump into this even further. 00:12:50.809 --> 00:12:52.710 I've got a joke for you. Already you're laughing. 00:12:52.809 --> 00:12:55.710 My life. Do we need to have a talk after this? 00:12:55.710 --> 00:12:58.289 Like, are you okay? No, I'm good. I'm from Europe. 00:12:58.350 --> 00:13:03.990 It is engineers in the joke. Okay. But it is 00:13:03.990 --> 00:13:07.129 kind of, um, you said you were good at chemistry 00:13:07.129 --> 00:13:09.450 and physics or like, I said I was terrible. Oh, 00:13:09.470 --> 00:13:11.070 no, hold on. You said you're good at physics. 00:13:11.129 --> 00:13:13.990 No. Okay. Hold on. Let's find that back. Okay. 00:13:15.029 --> 00:13:20.330 Okay. So why did the energy engineer? Break in 00:13:20.330 --> 00:13:24.009 for the Tower of London. Hello? Do you steal 00:13:24.009 --> 00:13:29.750 all the jewels? Do you make these up yourself? 00:13:30.210 --> 00:13:34.470 No, that was Google. Okay. Didn't mind that. 00:13:34.730 --> 00:13:37.250 Yeah. I could have claimed it. Didn't mind that. 00:13:37.370 --> 00:13:40.129 But yeah. Yeah. So you're welcome to keep that. 00:13:40.169 --> 00:13:43.289 Tell that to your friends. LinkedIn buyer. Yeah. 00:13:43.470 --> 00:13:47.750 Okay. So you are going to go with the title Mechanical 00:13:47.750 --> 00:13:50.370 Built -in Services Engineer. What do you love 00:13:50.370 --> 00:13:53.809 most about your job? Yeah, I think the, why, 00:13:53.929 --> 00:13:57.169 yeah, why I do like it is, whilst I said I wasn't 00:13:57.169 --> 00:13:59.529 great at the time of like physics and chemistry, 00:13:59.629 --> 00:14:01.870 I have always been interested in science. Yeah. 00:14:02.169 --> 00:14:05.990 And really enjoy science. More so biology, natural 00:14:05.990 --> 00:14:09.710 sciences, paleontology, all that there. Paleontology. 00:14:10.009 --> 00:14:15.529 Love it. Zoology. Zoology. Shout out. What was 00:14:15.529 --> 00:14:18.740 it called? Crypto? Zoology. like yeah i love 00:14:18.740 --> 00:14:21.980 all that like love uh like just love science 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:26.399 i am interested in it um it was just an error 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.480 in the way i was taught at the time um but there 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:33.379 is a good mix in this industry of you know scientific 00:14:33.379 --> 00:14:35.580 theory type stuff and you know if you like that 00:14:35.580 --> 00:14:39.179 you can do the calculations and design work and 00:14:39.179 --> 00:14:42.120 all that there and but there's sort of practical 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.889 elements as well and maybe not you necessarily 00:14:44.889 --> 00:14:47.129 being hands -on but like you know you you get 00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:50.049 to go to the site you get to see how things go 00:14:50.049 --> 00:14:53.110 yeah and a lot of people when they are doing 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:57.629 design they struggle conceptually and like spatially 00:14:57.629 --> 00:15:02.070 seeing things in their mind and when you like 00:15:02.070 --> 00:15:03.830 especially if you said like a graduate or something 00:15:03.830 --> 00:15:07.230 to like to a site as it's progressing like you 00:15:07.230 --> 00:15:09.450 straight away know okay well you can do this 00:15:09.450 --> 00:15:11.330 you can do that but you should be snagging this 00:15:11.330 --> 00:15:14.820 and oh, that's how the pump set goes in and this 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:16.580 is the orientation of the valve and whatever 00:15:16.580 --> 00:15:20.820 it is. Equally, if you're not interested in that, 00:15:21.019 --> 00:15:25.279 you can sit at a desk and you can do 3D modelling 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:29.580 or something like that. It is diverse. Or you 00:15:29.580 --> 00:15:34.179 could dip into what you do from a sustainability 00:15:34.179 --> 00:15:37.500 point of view as well. It's going to save the 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:42.080 world, I'm just saying. Can you make it work? 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:44.460 Looked like MEP engineers, that's the thing. 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.980 You mean we need to collaborate? Archangels. 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.799 Well, like this thing I was telling you about, 00:15:51.860 --> 00:15:54.220 you were saying about architectural engineering 00:15:54.220 --> 00:15:56.919 at Ulster. I was telling you the degree I did, 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.740 which no longer exists anymore, clean technology, 00:15:59.899 --> 00:16:02.419 amalgamated with building services, and made 00:16:02.419 --> 00:16:04.899 it architectural engineering. So in a way, you're 00:16:04.899 --> 00:16:08.659 welcome. Nothing to do with it being renamed, 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.769 but you know. Like, I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, 00:16:12.809 --> 00:16:16.009 great six years. Okay, brilliant. Well, C for 00:16:16.009 --> 00:16:18.110 your role. I know you've already talked about 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:21.250 the courses and degrees you've done. You mentioned 00:16:21.250 --> 00:16:23.789 there about going to site. What sort of training 00:16:23.789 --> 00:16:26.769 or prep would you recommend for entering any 00:16:26.769 --> 00:16:30.350 kind of role in this sector? Training for it? 00:16:31.210 --> 00:16:33.269 Because there's like lots of different ways you 00:16:33.269 --> 00:16:35.750 can come into it. So I went down the higher level 00:16:35.750 --> 00:16:39.909 apprenticeship routes. People could go in at 00:16:39.909 --> 00:16:43.269 18 and do the Archange course. Four years later, 00:16:43.350 --> 00:16:48.250 they might as a graduate and do this. You could 00:16:48.250 --> 00:16:51.870 be on the tools. On the tools being working in 00:16:51.870 --> 00:16:56.269 a trade. I'm not jarging you again. You could 00:16:56.269 --> 00:16:58.549 be like, oh, well, I want to get off the site 00:16:58.549 --> 00:17:03.899 and transition into this and whatever. there's 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:05.759 a few different ways you can get into it. And 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.039 with each of those ways, there's pros and cons 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:09.599 in terms of, you know, if you've come up with 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:11.279 tools, you've got a lot of site experience, you 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.019 know how things go in. Like I said before, it's 00:17:14.019 --> 00:17:16.680 handy to see that. And you're maybe just then 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:20.019 having to back that up from a technical point 00:17:20.019 --> 00:17:21.960 of view or something. Graduates, you know, they're 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:23.299 going to be very green. They're not going to 00:17:23.299 --> 00:17:26.160 know next to anything, really. You know, maybe 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.279 they've done a placement, but it's not quite 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:33.170 one -to -one. I think the... doing it part -time 00:17:33.170 --> 00:17:35.250 the way the way I sort of stumbled into it is 00:17:35.250 --> 00:17:39.470 very good and it benefited uni as well because 00:17:39.470 --> 00:17:42.710 I can take experience like so many what do you 00:17:42.710 --> 00:17:45.329 call it coursework so many pieces of coursework 00:17:45.329 --> 00:17:48.230 I was doing and you can literally be like in 00:17:48.230 --> 00:17:50.210 my experience as a mechanical engineer I would 00:17:50.210 --> 00:17:54.460 do I would recommend this and yeah They love 00:17:54.460 --> 00:17:57.519 it. They're just like, oh, yeah, great. Yeah, 00:17:57.579 --> 00:18:02.259 you are your own reference. I self -plagiarise 00:18:02.259 --> 00:18:06.259 constantly, but it's handy to be able to draw 00:18:06.259 --> 00:18:08.880 on that and it goes both ways then, because even 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.220 if you're in uni and you're like, oh, I'm doing 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:14.519 such and such a module, obviously you do HVAC 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:16.779 modules and sustainability modules and it's all 00:18:16.779 --> 00:18:19.140 broken up and whatever. But if you're, say it's 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:21.039 something like the electrical module, where... 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:23.519 i'm not an electrical engineer i'm gonna have 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.480 very very base level knowledge of it i can come 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.019 in here or wherever place of work and you can 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.480 ask who you're working with how do i do this 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.680 what is this sensible it's what i'm doing right 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.579 whatever so i i think it is really good kind 00:18:40.579 --> 00:18:43.779 of learn as you learn like that kind of thing 00:18:43.779 --> 00:18:46.339 they always say this oh my goodness this has 00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:49.319 been in all the episodes like they're probably 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.079 not i recommend that like yeah i know that certainly 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.500 where i am now and we we would love to get some 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:58.359 more higher level apprentices i suppose it's 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:00.900 not necessarily i don't know if it's um school 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:04.279 leavers at 16 yeah certainly maybe people 18 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.660 could even it's unique or before they go to uni 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:09.880 or whatever like i just find it so impressive 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.099 like a v so you get an apprentice at that age 00:19:13.099 --> 00:19:18.000 16 18 whatever age they decide and you work up 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.880 put them through the part -time degree so you 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.579 go to uni one day a week you're working the rest 00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:26.660 yeah and then see by the time they're 24 they 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:29.500 are um fully qualified they've got the degree 00:19:29.500 --> 00:19:32.380 um my course as well now is integrated image 00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:36.099 yeah it's they would do it for five years and 00:19:36.099 --> 00:19:39.099 then you know they're the masters out of the 00:19:39.099 --> 00:19:41.460 way as well at that time they've worked in the 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:44.140 industry for six years they know how to talk 00:19:44.140 --> 00:19:46.309 at meetings they know what like what to ask for 00:19:46.309 --> 00:19:48.549 and it's that confidence that they build up and 00:19:48.549 --> 00:19:50.650 it's like here and you could be like that at 00:19:50.650 --> 00:19:53.170 such a young age and then yeah so it's just like 00:19:53.170 --> 00:19:54.970 advertising that to people being like this is 00:19:54.970 --> 00:19:59.069 what you are someone that at 20 you'd be 23ish 00:19:59.069 --> 00:20:02.430 or 24 or whatever if you do the image someone 00:20:02.430 --> 00:20:06.250 come out with that that has done it as an apprenticeship 00:20:06.250 --> 00:20:09.470 in my mind is going to have a lot more value 00:20:09.470 --> 00:20:12.450 yeah than someone who's just went uni the whole 00:20:12.450 --> 00:20:15.180 time Because although they try and teach you 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:17.940 sort of transferable skills in terms of doing 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:23.480 presentations and all that, to like lecture theatres 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:24.960 and everything, I'm sort of trying to prepare 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:26.779 you for that and preparing reports, obviously, 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.339 and everything else. You just actually can't 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.339 beat being in the office and doing it. Like it's 00:20:33.339 --> 00:20:36.240 just the best way in my mind to do it. Yeah, 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.339 completely agree. Yeah. I've asked this to a 00:20:40.339 --> 00:20:43.019 number of people. what's your favorite guide 00:20:43.019 --> 00:20:46.000 to read up on in your work what is my favorite 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.579 guide to read up on like you know like the sipsy 00:20:48.579 --> 00:20:52.240 guides or stuff like that or you've got like 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.940 maybe a mechanical guide ventilation i did see 00:20:54.940 --> 00:20:56.359 that you had asked that and i thought that was 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.440 quite odd like do people have guides um not to 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.819 report podcast i think because a lot of time 00:21:02.819 --> 00:21:06.539 you you sort of you obviously have a base level 00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:08.240 of ones with ones that you refer to all the time 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.450 like yes 12 five six three like your drainage 00:21:12.450 --> 00:21:15.230 okay you're referring to them quite a lot and 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:17.190 a lot of that does then get in your head and 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:19.369 whatever but there's other ones like you know 00:21:19.369 --> 00:21:23.029 it's just like sort of amalgamated all this the 00:21:23.029 --> 00:21:26.910 main subject guide be if that's the inflation 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:32.170 yeah um no one can possibly know everything that 00:21:32.170 --> 00:21:34.829 is in those you know you can't just study the 00:21:34.829 --> 00:21:36.650 item you sort of use the guide as you go job 00:21:36.650 --> 00:21:41.930 to job and things will be retained but again 00:21:41.930 --> 00:21:43.769 it's more that like if you have that on the job 00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:46.990 experience and it's knowing how to navigate the 00:21:46.990 --> 00:21:54.369 guides and knowing um sort of knowing what to 00:21:54.369 --> 00:21:56.390 look for within the guides and how to maximize 00:21:56.390 --> 00:22:00.190 the use of the guides yeah um big one at the 00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:03.349 minute though so ccp1 i suppose for like keeping 00:22:03.349 --> 00:22:09.740 them oh yes i've seen that about um Yeah, I haven't 00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:11.980 read it, but like... If I have to shout out one, 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:15.079 that's the most recent one I've read. Gar, that's 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:17.859 all I was looking for, okay? I'll tag that guy 00:22:17.859 --> 00:22:22.059 and be like Gar's super guide. Yeah, brilliant. 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:24.200 Well, thank you for answering the question about 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:26.819 the training prep for your role. Now, before 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:32.059 we move on to the next question, I have a question 00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:34.440 for you. We're going to pretty much, we're going 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.400 to enter this round. that i kind of tailor towards 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.980 all the guests and i've just i've asked you i'm 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:43.940 gonna ask you two questions okay and it's gonna 00:22:43.940 --> 00:22:46.640 be fun round okay and actually i said in your 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.460 sheet of prep no prep at all needed um there 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:52.039 probably was some prep because i'm like i don't 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:58.420 think i would have known this but we'll see i'm 00:22:58.420 --> 00:23:00.660 gonna try and think of a snazzy name right off 00:23:00.660 --> 00:23:05.089 the cuff um But yeah, I'm going to look at your 00:23:05.089 --> 00:23:09.950 previous history. I can, me can, you can. What? 00:23:10.329 --> 00:23:18.309 You know, it's like the first six letters of 00:23:18.309 --> 00:23:21.250 mechanical, me can. So it's like I can, me can, 00:23:21.490 --> 00:23:25.589 you can. Oh, if I can, no, if me can, you can. 00:23:26.539 --> 00:23:32.220 okay if you okay okay so we can fix it and post 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:36.119 it's fine get instantly cancelled so if you can 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.220 no hold on what was i getting if me can you can 00:23:39.220 --> 00:23:44.960 because it is kind of mechanical look in my head 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.619 this is a genius like i'm like wow you're breaking 00:23:47.619 --> 00:23:54.200 all the barriers okay okay so question is who 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.700 invented mechanical engineering who invented 00:23:57.700 --> 00:24:00.579 mechanical engineering there is a name there's 00:24:00.579 --> 00:24:05.559 a name listed on google uh see this is probably 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.440 unfair because you're probably talking like straight 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.380 mechanical engineering as in like manufacturing 00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.880 engineering it's like something to do with how 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:17.150 about like the industrial revolution or something 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:19.410 well you'd be right you'd be correct in that 00:24:19.410 --> 00:24:23.650 yes yeah which is not what i do wow okay so we're 00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:27.269 pleading the fifth i just have walked in my head 00:24:27.269 --> 00:24:30.049 that i couldn't be right really do you have a 00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:32.009 second year no do you have a first name i don't 00:24:32.009 --> 00:24:37.089 know james or something that's james it's james 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:39.190 what he is noted as the father of mechanical 00:24:39.190 --> 00:24:43.319 engineering um and he is See this thing, you 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.740 know. I do. I know a little about a lot. Yeah. 00:24:46.779 --> 00:24:53.960 Okay. Okay. But so. It's unreal. Well done. So 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:56.960 James Watt, there's a misconception around him. 00:24:57.180 --> 00:24:59.799 People think he's famous for inventing the steam 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:01.500 engine, which is the first kind of mechanical 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:04.619 engineering. But he actually wasn't because the 00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:07.519 steam engine was around his time. Like, you know, 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.680 but he invented lots of different types of steam 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.180 engine. which was then used later in the Industrial 00:25:13.180 --> 00:25:17.400 Revolution. And so he just kind of became famous 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:22.000 for it. Carnot cycle. Yeah, he jumped on a trend 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.279 and followed it. Okay, well done. First question, 00:25:26.299 --> 00:25:30.319 you win a point. Yeah, okay, so I've got a second 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:35.240 question, which is more local. Okay. So you said 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.619 you have experience in all these MEP consultancies. 00:25:39.369 --> 00:25:41.049 MEPs, send them for mechanical, electrical and 00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:45.750 plumbing consultancies. Yes. How many MEP consultancies 00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:47.769 are there in Northern Ireland? Oh, way too many. 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:54.269 Just consultancies, not like contractors as well. 00:25:55.089 --> 00:25:57.529 I forgot what I typed into Google. Like, you 00:25:57.529 --> 00:25:59.990 know, came up on Google Maps. Yeah, undoubtedly 00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:04.569 gave you contractors as well. Just Northern Ireland? 00:26:04.890 --> 00:26:06.980 Yeah, just Northern Ireland. There was some on 00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:08.720 the brink. Like, there was some on the border, 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.759 so I don't know whether they followed up. I would 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:18.759 say there are 263. You know what? You're actually 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.420 pretty close. No, I'm not. There's 76, okay. 00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:28.519 Six, right? Yeah. So yeah, according to Google. 00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.440 Yeah, that's a lot less than I would have thought. 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:36.340 So I'm going to name them all now, okay? yeah 00:26:36.340 --> 00:26:40.200 no yeah i can't do that speak me listing things 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.980 unless that's a podcast in itself like you know 00:26:42.980 --> 00:26:46.940 that could be yeah such a good name this cast 00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:52.940 yeah that's the title of this episode okay anyway 00:26:52.940 --> 00:26:56.660 we're moving on okay so talking about the buildings 00:26:56.660 --> 00:27:00.079 okay building engineer yeah can you give an overview 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.900 of the type of projects you've worked on any 00:27:02.900 --> 00:27:08.980 highs and lows high rises and low rises. Very 00:27:08.980 --> 00:27:11.819 good. Diverse. Very good. I genuinely have, I 00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:17.200 think. Weirdly, I do mostly lower rise stuff. 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.940 At the minute, our tail end of last year, did 00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:30.880 a sort of nine floor co -living building. It's 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.779 basically like... I think co -living is this 00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:35.440 new kind of way that they're doing things in 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.059 London um it is more or less it's not quite like 00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:43.920 a build to rent thing um the apartments are kind 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.960 of like studio style or they're not even an apartment 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:52.079 so like like a student accommodation studio in 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.619 terms of size and things it's all very about 00:27:54.619 --> 00:27:57.720 like bringing the community together It's all, 00:27:57.779 --> 00:28:00.680 you know, big amenity spaces, like co -working 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.000 spaces, co -cooking spaces, like big open kitchen, 00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:06.559 master chef kitchen things. I think that is actually 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.259 the server they use. Yeah, and it was only like 00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:11.140 200 beds and it was like nine floors, so it's 00:28:11.140 --> 00:28:16.559 fairly low -rise. Smaller, I think it's five 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:20.740 -story hotels, refurbishments in Earl's Court. 00:28:21.740 --> 00:28:23.720 We've done a few of those, just like two terrace 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.549 houses together kind of thing. it's the same 00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:28.769 challenges there's only so much you can chop 00:28:28.769 --> 00:28:30.390 and change like they're not listed buildings 00:28:30.390 --> 00:28:33.529 by any means but um because they've been worked 00:28:33.529 --> 00:28:36.569 on over and over and over again um they just 00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:39.569 put like ceiling on ceiling on ceiling so like 00:28:39.569 --> 00:28:41.650 the ceiling makeup is crazy and then you remove 00:28:41.650 --> 00:28:45.049 that you start massive void and there's fire 00:28:45.049 --> 00:28:48.450 considerations and everything else and and then 00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:54.430 most recently i'm on a 737 room like purpose 00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:57.559 built student accommodation in Manchester and 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.740 so that's our newest one that we're working on 00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:05.559 it's 23 or it's two blocks one's like eight stories 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:10.059 and the other's 23 stories and it's all yeah 00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.240 I mean everything is like air source heat pump 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:16.539 it's renewables all over the show and yeah okay 00:29:16.539 --> 00:29:18.599 that seems to be the way it's all going obviously 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.200 to fit in with things like London Plan and I 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.259 know the London plan. I'm familiar with it. That 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:27.759 was the first I had ever had, that one at the 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.619 end of last year, and just making sure then that 00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:32.640 we're meeting the requirements of that. You know, 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.000 we're not suggesting something like we put VR 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.299 app cooling in the rooms to kind of get around 00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:42.720 the TM59 requirements. I don't think we could 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.759 open the windows because it was noisy as well. 00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:47.579 Because stick restrictions, yeah. I had to use 00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:51.160 MPHR units and then put the VRF in as well. um 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.039 rather than relying on like mechanical abstract 00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.880 manipulation and comments and yeah open windows 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.119 for purge and so on um so you're you're doing 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.059 a deep dive into the london plan to be like okay 00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:06.859 we'll have exhausted every other type of cooling 00:30:06.859 --> 00:30:10.700 or preventing them overheating that we can yes 00:30:10.700 --> 00:30:13.480 okay right well now vrf can go in and making 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.759 sure that it's a reasonable refrigerant and and 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.759 so on yeah because there's some refrigerants 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.099 which i won't allow like the planners are just 00:30:22.099 --> 00:30:27.619 like absolutely not yeah so you probably know 00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:31.720 more than me but i definitely do but anyway i 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.099 don't doubt it wow we're gonna end this on a 00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:38.599 fight no um okay brilliant well thank you for 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.259 giving um like about your history and just like 00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.160 all the different buildings you've worked on 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.200 a very extensive list you obviously know your 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.920 knowledge no you know your knowledge you know 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.500 you're not i'm gonna cut that you know your knowledge 00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:56.059 you know your stuff you know you're a mechanic 00:30:56.059 --> 00:30:59.880 you know your mechanics yeah you know your mechanics 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:03.079 that's it we can't like you know just like James 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.720 Watt did just like James Watt yeah i clearly 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.519 know very well i'm really impressed by that still 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:14.359 Okay. Well, thank you very much for being on 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.200 the podcast. You've been an absolute pleasure 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.819 to have. Hopefully flopped my way through it, 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.339 okay? Yeah. Hopefully you'll be back on again. 00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:25.960 Not too many edits. Wow. We're going to keep 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.779 this when you're back on, okay? Let just me tell 00:31:28.779 --> 00:31:35.680 the jokes, okay? I'm the funny one. So, before 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.759 you go, do you have any advice for future prospective 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.319 engineers? looking to get into this stuff yes 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:48.640 okay strangely uh so at the start i had said 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.940 how i kind of fell into this and i think to be 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:52.539 honest there are a lot of people don't know what 00:31:52.539 --> 00:31:55.700 building services is a lot of people do sort 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:57.480 of just stumble into it and fall into it whatever 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.059 i came in a bit later when i was probably more 00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:02.599 switched on and open to listening and things 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.220 and i say as a kid i would never have wanted 00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:09.079 to be told what to do the education system I 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.960 was currently in didn't work and make the most 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.599 of every opportunity you're given with that and 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.140 you can come in with very little knowledge and 00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:23.599 rapidly build it up and become very useful yeah 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.779 and you know you could come in with nothing and 00:32:26.779 --> 00:32:30.980 within your first week you could you know do 00:32:30.980 --> 00:32:33.519 some basic you know ductwork sizing pipework 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.490 sizing and knowing what sort of parameters to 00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:41.890 stay within and you could do drainage design 00:32:41.890 --> 00:32:44.769 probably within your first fortnight you know 00:32:44.769 --> 00:32:46.549 if you just come in and you let you could do 00:32:46.549 --> 00:32:48.930 like calculations and things you know let's see 00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:51.029 like basic formula that you could if you can 00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:54.329 wrap your head around those then you can do like 00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:59.670 90 percent of you know calculations so if you 00:32:59.670 --> 00:33:01.430 just come in and you're open to listening and 00:33:01.430 --> 00:33:05.630 you take every opportunity and you you know if 00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:08.670 you I know you're big on going to external training 00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:11.289 things and going to seminars and all that there 00:33:11.289 --> 00:33:17.509 and doing a full LinkedIn takeover. You can do 00:33:17.509 --> 00:33:21.269 very well personally, professionally, financially 00:33:21.269 --> 00:33:26.170 even as well. You're generally fairly well compensated 00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:29.690 if you make your right moves within your sector. 00:33:30.710 --> 00:33:32.750 If you want big, big money, go into contract 00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:36.470 and don't do consulting. whoa this is an expose 00:33:36.470 --> 00:33:43.289 yeah tmd every consultant so that is just that 00:33:43.289 --> 00:33:46.950 that's what it is um that's the thing you can 00:33:46.950 --> 00:33:48.849 come into this and you can be office space you 00:33:48.849 --> 00:33:51.170 can be site -based you can you can do hybrid 00:33:51.170 --> 00:33:53.690 work and it is a good like i do two days a week 00:33:53.690 --> 00:33:56.230 from home it benefits me and my family you get 00:33:56.230 --> 00:33:59.150 a wee bit of travel not too much obviously depending 00:33:59.150 --> 00:34:02.920 on the company but like employer we do work all 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.519 around the world so like there's you know and 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.820 work with other people and understand how they 00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:11.239 do things there as well which is always interesting 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:12.679 to know and that's there's nothing you can take 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:17.320 from that so and it probably is just yeah grabbing 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.320 every opportunity that kind of like say yes to 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.559 most things like say when you get approached 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.340 through your podcast say yes and and just put 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:29.940 yourself out there and be like oh surely someone 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:33.059 will listen yeah i like that surely someone will 00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:36.099 listen like there's always bits in these episodes 00:34:36.099 --> 00:34:39.420 i'm like yeah that's gonna be the soundbite it's 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:41.980 like you know when people can preview the episode 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:45.239 they're like put it on t -shirt yeah but yeah 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.280 well that was a very insightful um wrap -up um 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.260 a lot more inspirational than mine i'm not gonna 00:34:50.260 --> 00:34:53.639 lie it's it's just gonna be like be the architect 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.559 of your own future As we talked about architecture 00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:00.619 engineering, I thought it was a good point. Why 00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:04.500 not? Yeah, why not? Exactly. Exactly. But yeah. 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.239 Well, Gareth, thanks again for coming on and 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.800 hopefully you'll definitely be back. Yeah. There 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.760 was some hesitancy there and I do not appreciate 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.639 it. Okay. I'm just thinking season two or season 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.860 three. I don't know. Do you leave it on a cliffhanger? 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.000 We'll see. We'll see how far. I'm able to get, 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.880 like, you know. When it makes its way to Netflix, 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.039 then I'm interested. Yeah, okay, okay. You get 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.599 to play yourself. Oh, yeah. Now Michael Fassbender. 00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:32.940 Thanks for listening to Carbon Climates. 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