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Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an entry podcast dedicated

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to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to talk about

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what's getting hot, aside from our planet. I'm your host, Venya and today I'm joined

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with my Carbon Climate and co-host, Ansi, who I'll be introducing shortly. So Ansi,

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how you doing? Like what have you been doing this weekend? How have you been?

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Thank you, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me. It was a quite busy week

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for me. So I was having a conference starting from Wednesday and came back yesterday. So

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it was really interesting about all the new technologies and all the new stuff they're

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implementing in the concrete sector. So that's actually what the conference was about. It

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was hosted by Institute of Country Technology. So that was nice, came back yesterday and

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here I am. Busy schedule. Oh yeah, yeah. And of course I have got another one tomorrow.

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That's okay. That's very good. Well, could you tell us your job title? So I'm a concrete

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technologist and I'm also working as a knowledge transfer partner between Queen's, University

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of Belfast and More Concrete Products Limited, which is like a pre-cast company based in

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Balaamina. So it's more about creating mixed designs, reducing the carbon footprint. So

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the title of the project, which I'd work on is actually reducing the carbon footprint

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from the pre-cast sector. And it's also about replacing the steel with alternative steel

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reinforcements like glass fibres and basal clars and stuff like that. So that's actually

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the kind of work I do in there. That's very interesting to hear. Even I just want to ask

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a quick one. So replacing it with glass fibre. Glass fibre, it probably has a better thermal

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conductivity than steel. Sorry, my mind and the energy assessor in me is working in the

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background. But class, I can't wait for that product to come out.

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Still on the working stage, but maybe next year. We'll see. Brilliant. So could you

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tell me how long you've been in this sector? So to be honest, I think it's been almost

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1.5 years, one and a half years now. So I have been enjoying it. I was a completely

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newcomer in the industry. So like my industrial experience with this past one and a half years,

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it's like taught me a lot, learned a lot, made so many mistakes and still learning.

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It's kind of good and still learning. Looking forward for more things to come in in the

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week. That is such a good attitude to have. I've been in the sector. This is my sixth

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year at this job, but maybe ninth year in the sector. And I still make mistakes. I'm

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still learning. It's like every day we learn something new. Every day is a school day.

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I love those when you get a new kind of topic or area to study in. You're like, yeah, I'm

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going to learn so much from this. Yeah, that's true. Brilliant. So see at secondary school,

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did you ever envisage yourself in the sector? Oh my God, no, to be honest, because I have

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my background in chemistry. The first master's is actually in chemistry. So I thought I would

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always be more into like nano, right? And chemistry and stuff like that. I got my papers

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published in that sector, but I thought like, oh, it would be like a good idea to do something

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related to material science rather than going into like organic chemistry and stuff like

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that. So I decided to pursue a master's in materials science and engineering from Queens.

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But the future has something else for me, I guess. So what happened was like I got my

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master's project based on geopolymers. So it's actually not something I chose. It just

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came to me. Right. So first I was like, okay, what I'm going to do after this project? Because

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I have no idea what it is. And it was a completely new thing to me. So I was a bit kind of confused.

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But my supervisor was like super cool. And he just explained things to me. And I was

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like, oh, wow, this is really interesting. It's like reducing the carbon footprint and

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stuff that's actually like real world application. So just did that. And soon after I completed

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the master's project, it's like I got this opportunity to be part of the

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work I did for my project. So that's how I got it into that. So that's how I ended up

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being in the world of concrete. Wow. That's amazing. Well, you're in such a like, like

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thriving and that could have feel like concrete is used for.

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Literally like, I actually like what I only knowledge I had about concrete was like, it's

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made of sand, stone and cement. That's actually the only thing I knew when I was like a child

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or like even when I was doing like all my studies in like childhood. But that's like

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when I started to learn what's actually in there, I realized that there's so much chemistry

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when it comes to concrete reactions and stuff which is happening and the setting time and

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how it works. So it's like completely it's filled with chemistry. So that's actually

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something which keeps me going. Yeah. So I really enjoy it, to be honest.

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That's so good. I love that. I like always find that in my career as well where maybe

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I'm working in something and like, this is just like, oh, this is quite a childish comparison.

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But I love the PS2. Love to play Simpsons Hittin' Round on the PS2. So I'm just like,

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this is just like Simpsons Hittin' Round. Drawing comparisons. Yeah.

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Well, thank you for telling us about your background and a bit about yourself. So you

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said you worked for like you're part of Queen's KTP. It stands for Knowledge Transfer Partnership.

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Yeah. And you're in the concrete area. We actually had a previous guest, Catherine,

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Campbell, shout out Catherine, who was also in that same research area with Queen's KTP.

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Again, I'm just shouting out Queen's KTP, not looking for them to sponsor me or anything.

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But that's good. Yes. So concrete has such an impact on the world today. It's used for

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many applications. The most, the application I would know the most would be building. One

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of the things with building applications with concrete is that it can have a certificate

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called an EPD. It stands for Environmental Product Declaration. Yeah. Beat me to it.

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Brilliant. Yes, that gives a lot of useful information. And like they might have carbon

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tons that goes into the concrete. So what you were saying there about working on applications

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in concrete to lower the carbon. Definitely going to have an impact. Yeah, we actually

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do have EPDs for a couple of our products. So our company mostly uses a node, like they

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produce civil products and agricultural products. So civil products in the sense of like big

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arches and stuff, like it's called bibos. It's like big arches. And they also have

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flat homes and so many different products, which I clearly don't know the name even.

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client does want us to like, you know, be clear about what's actually the carbon footprint

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from the product. So we do have a couple of our products. And it's also like we have our

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products like it's very few of them, which is actually sitting in like 100% cement. Most

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of them are like having alternative cementitious materials in them. Yeah. Up to 60-50% replacement.

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So it's like, it's really good, you know, like to compare the one with 100% cementitious

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and the one with the replacement stuff. So the clients could actually see and realize

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where they are, you know, when they're buying the product, they're able to know, okay, this

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is actually what we are contributing. So what this product is actually contributing to the

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total carbon footprint. So it's actually like a very good document, to be honest. Yeah.

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Okay. Interesting. Very nice. Well, I know from my background, I'm an energy sasser,

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as I said before in this podcast, I actually am able to calculate U-values as well. New

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values, talk about that and get on a different episode. I think episode two, go back to that

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listener if you'd like. But it calculates the heat loss, bearing element or a flanking

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element like a piece, a bit of wall. With concrete, like with doing this application

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of calculating new values, I've come across four or five different types of concrete.

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So you're talking about concrete with 2% steel and then concrete with 1% steel and then dense

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concrete and then concrete with no fines. And trying to think of another one. I know screed

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can sometimes get wrapped up in there. But yeah, so like that's like my knowledge of

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concrete and what I found really interesting and just probably what you can see firsthand

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is that each of these have a different thermal conductivity and it's to do with the way they're

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mixed and created. Yeah. But yeah, in your work, when you're in the KTB lab at Olin

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Queen's, do you get to see much of this stuff or? It's actually more to do with the binders

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and stuff in my case. It's like I actually study heat of hydration and stuff like that

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for different cement replacement stuff and even with no cement in it. So that's actually

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the kind of work I do. But I have not looked into those stuff. But I think at some point

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in my project, I would be looking on to those things. Very good. Yes. Yeah. I think I would

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approach you and ask you like, how will you do it and stuff like that. I will happily

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guide me. I will happily have you on. Like, you know, like you can come into the office

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again if there's a meeting room. But that's great. So with the KTB, you work with like

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at Queen's in the lab, but you also work with a company as well. So it's actually like I

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work in the company premises according to their booking time most of the time. But once

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in a week, I had to go to the uni and do my lab work and stuff. And my supervisors both

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in the company and university, they're like super cool. So lucky to have them. Yeah, they're

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really good. Yeah. So I enjoy the work in there. But if I have to do any lab work, of

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course, I have to speak with the people in the lab and head of the week. So I could actually

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work throughout like a couple of days in the lab and get my work done. But most of the

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time actually in the company, in the company premises working in the lab in there, I have

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created my own space in the lab, right? Because and classrooms and magnetic stirrows and stuff

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like that. They didn't have anything. I even bought a lab coat for myself. He had goggles.

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So I look like a mad scientist in the lab when I'm wearing everything. Oh, my goodness.

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He has been posted on LinkedIn. Yeah, because I know people love like to see like real life

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in the lab, such as the goggles and the lab coat. Yeah, yeah. Even they were calling me

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like, Oh, you look like a mad scientist. They don't have had anyone working on like that

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in their lab before. So I think I'm the first one to make it happen. Okay. I'm happy about

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that. Good. I can't wait to see the press release like, you know, our scientists and

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frack the mystery of concrete and I'll be at the tribute. It's actually like, far away,

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so far away to say like, Oh, she's the scientist in there in the lab. I don't know.

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Brilliant. Well, okay. What you're talking a bit about your role there. What sort of

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training and prep did you do for entering this role? Like the training program out there

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is KTB. Do you find the guides they give you are useful? Or do you find a more learning

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as you go approach better? I would say learning as you go approach is actually more better

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in my case, it was actually much much better in my case. I think my company and the university

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did know that my background was actually like a bit different, not completely related to

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concrete technology. First time I actually learned about the previous standard of course,

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when I was writing my thesis for my masters. So I read about it, I tried to understand,

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but it's actually really complicated. Like for a first time, when someone looks into

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that you won't understand anything. So yeah, I took my own time learning at least a bit

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about it. And the kind of training I got, I think my supervisors in the master's project

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they did actually like a very good job, you know, training me onto the right path and

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direction. I think that's actually the initial training I got and the kind of training I

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got from the company, like the ongoing way I actually got it from the supervisors in

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Queens and in the company, they really helped me and always pointed me in the right direction.

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They always like pushed me to do, which I do like, I don't know about it. They said

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like, no, no, you can actually just go for it. You can actually do it. Just go for it.

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Just learn it. We are there to support you. So that was actually the kind of support I

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got from them. I think company and the university did have a very huge role for pushing me there

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I absolutely love employers and supervisors like that. Like my boss, Alan, he's honestly

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the best for encouraging us to like, yes, okay, do this training, like go for it. You

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It's like the continuous professional development is very important when it comes to, you know,

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like in a professional journey. Like in the long run, it actually helped us so much. And

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it's also like the number of people we get to meet through networking and conferences

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and stuff like that. It's just amazing because you never know like what's actually going

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to be the next stage for you.

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Just keep on adding the networking and people.

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One of my favourite things to do is I love networking. I absolutely love it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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We should probably like actually address that. But me and you know each other very deep Northern

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Ireland, beautifuls, climate change programme. It's 30 under 30 climate change makers in

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Northern Ireland. And so we met back in January, wasn't it?

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Yeah. And it's absolutely flown in. I can't believe it's.

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I think I just reproached you and I think it's actually then you told me about, you

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She was also like a kitty. Do you know her? I was like, yeah, I think I have heard of

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If anyone wants to be part of it.

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But I started it last year in July where I was interviewing people and like recording

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and like talking. But then I just didn't get uploading stuff until this January. So it's

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like I had a lot of I was doing a lot of prep and then it's always the task like nothing's

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But of course you're getting there.

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Yeah, yeah, we're getting there. OK, after your episode hours, like, you know, I probably

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But that's good. OK, brilliant. Well, thanks for explaining about your job and your background.

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So we've come to the section where in each episode, I try and tailor a wee section towards

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the guests and like, like, I'm just like, like, push some facts and figures at you and

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you kind of give me your general opinion and or just thoughts. And so I like to play a

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Apologies, we're just making sure. OK, so we're talking about concrete and I can I can

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edit this out. Apologies. This is I know you said previously, it's like, you know, I'm

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not just on concrete. So apologies. I've tailored this section towards concrete.

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Concrete is a composite material composed of aggregate bonded together with a fluid

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cement that cures over time.

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OK, so I'm going to go it's and it's a very well used item. So between concrete and water,

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which do you think is used more?

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I think it's concrete.

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You know what? That was that was that was that was a hard that was a hard question.

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And I phrase that wrong. So it says concrete is the second most used substance. Oh, yeah.

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Oh, I'm sorry. It's concrete in the world. No, it's water. The most used material.

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Concrete or steel. Which one do you think is used more?

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You'd be right. Oh, OK. I'm happy about that.

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Concrete or wood. Which one do you think is used more?

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Concrete. Yes.

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Because second most material.

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OK, I've actually shot myself.

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I got this all over.

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Oh, my goodness. OK. But like even like what we're talking about there, just like concrete,

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it's the second most used material in the world. So stuff like that.

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Because of the same thing, the amount of carbon footprint in the atmosphere from the cement

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industry alone is like 8 percent, which is like a very big amount.

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And that's one of the reasons why the cement industry is pushing suppliers and the manufacturers

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and people who are using the stuff to bring the carbon footprint down by the Paris Agreement,

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which was actually done way back. So according to the target, they want to bring the carbon

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dioxide emissions by 2030 and even by 2050, they want to bring it really, really down.

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So that's why they're using replacement materials and even trying out for implementing net zero

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concrete. So I think at some point they're going to implement taxes, carbon taxes and

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stuff like that, which is going to be like really, really high.

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I was actually talking about this the other day with the carbon taxes and like how it's

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like talked about, oh, for any emissions not met, it's a carbon tax.

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I think they should change the name of it and get the psychology because I think carbon

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taxes, they'll be like people will see companies have this much carbon tax.

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I think it should be called carbon fines, because tax they could like, you know, maybe

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write that off with the accounts department.

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Yeah, it should be like a fine, not like a tax.

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Yeah, and like it does the same thing as the tax, but like the wording of it, like hold

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a fine because the people like I've met, especially in 30 and 30, like they're becoming more

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like, you know, I just didn't realize how many people like the extensive research that

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went into companies like the background and like, oh, here, they do this, they have this

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much emissions.

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And I'm like, that's really good to see like people are starting to care about that.

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And then if it showed like this company has this much carbon fine, and then here, that's

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bad, it's like the psychology of the word, like, because fine associated.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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That was me ripping off.

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But okay, back to you.

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Okay.

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So you said at the start, I think it was a bit before the podcast, but you said at the

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start that you're a concrete technologist with the Institute of concrete technology,

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concrete technology.

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I have my associate membership.

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So I got both of them recently.

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So but Institute of materials, minerals and mining, and also with Institute of concrete

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technology.

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So yeah, I think it's actually because of this experience, like almost 1.5 to use experience,

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I actually got that.

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But when it comes to my background, it's a bit different.

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But with experience and with the kind of work I'm doing, it's actually that which actually

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helped me to get that because the kind of qualifications they actually require for getting

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like an associate membership and all it's like, I see these teams do exam and stuff

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like that.

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I was a bit skeptical about like if I would get or not, but I was so fortunate to get.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, yeah.

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So back to your question.

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That's really good.

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We were talking previously about the likes of chartership and CPDs and how it's important.

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Is it the same for the Institute of concrete technology that you can become a chartered

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at concrete engineer or a concrete?

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Yeah, you can actually get chartered through IOM 3 and Institute of concrete technology,

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but it would take almost more than five years.

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I had this conversation with the executive officer of ICT last time I met him in the

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conference.

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So I'm only like 25 now.

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So he was telling me like, you're young.

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So you need to have and build a couple of more years.

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You know what?

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I've come across that.

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I've recently applied for chartership as well.

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And I'm 20, I'm 21.

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No, I wish I was 20.

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No, anyway.

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But your mind is actually what keeps you going too.

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Yeah.

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Mentally.

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I think we all know.

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I think I'm still stuck in my 20.

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Yeah.

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Not even, I don't know.

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Maybe at 20.

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Yeah.

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Wish I could go back and check that person.

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Like you don't know how easy you have it.

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Do you want this, this stress?

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But yes, like so I'm 29.

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So I thought, right, okay, I'll set myself a week or try to get this chartership before

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I'm 30.

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And one of the things they're really looking for, which I was kind of like flip, I actually

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couldn't have applied for this before because they're looking for management experience,

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you're teaching people how to do jobs.

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And it's like, I've only maybe done that the last couple of years.

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If I was thinking about doing this like 23 to 24, I'm like, yeah, I definitely wouldn't

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have been ready.

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But not being sad if you're frosted into a management role at 25, definitely.

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You've got all the, you're checking all the boxes.

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So what did they say about the chartership?

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I'm still waiting to hear back.

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So maybe next episode, we'll hear.

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Yeah, chartership with the Energy Institute.

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So I applied for the role of Chartered Energy Engineer.

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That's great.

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That's really great.

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Hopefully you get it.

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Hopefully.

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Thank you.

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I have your backing, Nancy.

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That's all I need.

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But yeah, like I'm currently an associate member.

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So I'm your concrete technologist and associate member of the Energy Institute.

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If you ever want to join the Energy Institute, I know some people in the committee.

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Okay, so you are promoting membership in Energy Institute now?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Just the wee side.

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So yeah, that's great.

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So the importance of accreditation, just very important.

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And something I would like to add about the KTP stuff is actually like each of the KTP

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projects, they do have like a dedicated budget, you know, for traveling and all the subsidies

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and stuff.

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And even for buying the project related, you know, appliances and apparatus and instruments.

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So it's going to be like somewhere between 5,000 pounds to 10,000 pounds.

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It could be like that.

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That's amazing.

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And it's like, you don't have to spend even like a penny from your pocket.

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It's like everything comes from the KTP budget.

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It's like, they really want like the end of the project, they really want the associate

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to have like a good profile, you know, they want the associate to have like personal growth

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and career opportunities.

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So that's why they actually really help with the budget.

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And that's where they have a dedicated budget.

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So it's actually through the budget, I actually got my memberships in Bodhi.

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That's really, really helpful.

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Yeah, it's like, and all the conferences and stuff is actually from the budget.

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I actually go for everything.

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It's like you get the approval from your supervisors and you just go for it.

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So they are happy enough to like, get your way through the budget.

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So it's like, it's really good.

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I feel like it's like a very good opportunity.

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I don't think anyone can actually get that flexibility when you're like completely working.

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But when you're like an associate, it's like you're in through the academic side of things.

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You're also in the industrial side of things.

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And it's like you're transferring, you're creating like a bridge to the academy and

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the industry.

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You're making things happening in the lab to like an industrial scale.

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And of course, there are so many technical uncertainties, which comes along with it.

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But still, it's really interesting if you're passionate about what you're doing.

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And so always when I'm filming these podcasts, there's usually something that like maybe

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someone says, like, wow, that really is amazing.

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So that really wants to be like, I love like, yeah, yeah, no, that was really great to hear.

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And like, I think our listeners would really like, you know, appreciate listening to it

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as well.

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Yeah, but that's brilliant.

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Thank you so much for explaining the importance of the accreditation role.

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And then, yeah, next time you're on, it'll be chartered.

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So what they were telling me was like, minimum five years from now.

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Yeah, like, minimum four to five years.

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That's actually the time like, like the list and targeting like to get it before 30.

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You can you can definitely get it.

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Definitely.

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I wish.

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Like, there's what is it?

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I've read a lot of case studies and they've said like people like, you know, there are

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people who just like, they fast track.

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And like, they're just like, I've done this, this and this.

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And they're able to get it and everything.

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It's really good to hear.

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But yes, me and Nancy will next see each other at the next 30 on your 30 workshop.

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Yeah, I believe is the Coca Cola.

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Oh, it's a Coca Cola.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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I hope I haven't got that wrong.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But that'll be good.

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I think we'll learn about sustainability and stuff.

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Hopefully get a free coke.

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Yeah, it's a Coca Cola.

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Sure.

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We have to take it.

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Well, we'll take a photo of them for the V socials.

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We like that again.

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But that's great.

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OK, well, and see, you've been absolutely brilliant to have on the podcast.

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Oh, thank you.

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I'm so grateful to have such a wonderful question here.

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Yeah.

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Just stop.

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Keep going.

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No.

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OK, brilliant.

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Just before we go, do you have any advice for future perspective concrete technologists

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or people who are looking to do a KTP in the future?

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Well, just like I mentioned earlier, KTP is actually like a project where you actually

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have a work plan and stuff, but still that's more about the passion you have in your mind.

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Like if you want to make it happen, you can actually make it happen.

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And it's also like things are going to get hard and sometimes it's going to confuse you

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a lot.

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But still, I think you would actually find your way back to it if you love what you're

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doing.

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And for the people who are actually interested in the world of concrete technology, just

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go for it.

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Just go for it.

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Because I was actually from a different field.

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See where I am now.

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I'm actually in a concrete sector, working as a concrete technologist, which I probably

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wouldn't imagine myself being in this position when I think five years back.

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So it's really interesting.

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Like so many things are involved with it.

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So just go for it.

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It's really interesting.

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You'll just enjoy the process.

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It's really good to hear.

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I always try and like set a wee pun into these.

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So, well, you said the really insightful, really inspirational like sign off.

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Mine is just don't crack up.

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Because concrete cracks doesn't work concrete cracks.

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So it's like, yeah, it's trying to keep it relevant.

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But yeah, brilliant.

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Well, Annecy again, thank you so much for coming on.

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Thank you so much.

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Thanks for listening to Carbon Climates.

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Bye.