1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,440 Hello, welcome, and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,280 to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to point out 3 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,120 what's getting hot, besides from our planet. I'm your host, Enya, and today I'm joined 4 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:37,560 by my Carbon Climate co-host, Fabity, who I will be introducing shortly before we get 5 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,080 into today's topic, Fabity. Can you tell me, how's your week been? And can you tell us 6 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,080 a bit about yourself? 7 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Hey, Enya. So work-wise, the week has been pretty good. I have been introduced to a few 8 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:59,920 new projects as well. So going all grand, all solid. And personally, like on the weekends, 9 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:06,320 it was pretty chill. I kept it low key and, you know, just stayed in, watched a few movies, 10 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:12,280 catch up with a few of my friends. And of course, somebody's birthday was there on this 11 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:22,320 weekend. And I had fun. I hear I had fun as well. Oh, I think a lot of people had fun. 12 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:28,000 Definitely. I was paying for it the next... Nice birthday bash. Yeah, birthday bash. I 13 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,000 was planning for it. I didn't open the next day. So we went out on the Saturday and then 14 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,040 the Sunday, just absolutely chilled. And the Sunday was my birthday. Of course. But the 15 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:45,440 location was beautiful. And it was a good track. Yes, yes. It was worth it. If anyone 16 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:52,600 is looking for a new place, go for a bit of food or some drinks on a nice Saturday or 17 00:01:52,600 --> 00:02:00,120 Sunday. It is a very sophisticated, lovely place. And we kind of walked in with... 18 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:09,000 I can vouch for it. Plus one. Yes. That's good. Oh, brilliant. Well, could you tell 19 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:16,280 us your job title? So right now I'm working as a sustainability engineer at Fully Performance 20 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:23,720 Prediction. And it's kind of my third month now in this role. I've been learning so much 21 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:30,880 so far. And it's been a great experience. That's amazing. Three months. I remember when 22 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,960 you first started, it's flown in. I know. And it didn't even... Does it even feel like 23 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,480 the three months have passed by? It was so quick. And still learning something new every 24 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:50,640 day. Here. I've been in this job for about... It's my sixth year. And I'm still learning 25 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:59,760 something new every day. Wow. Wow. That much consistency is what I look for. Well, how 26 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:06,600 long have you been in the sustainability sector for Biddy? So like in the sustainability sector, 27 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:12,840 I think I would say it would be closer to one year, counting my last experiences in 28 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,800 my placement. But in the building sector, I would say it's two, two and a half years 29 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:25,760 almost. Counting my years of architecture and the job I used to do back at home in India. 30 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:33,520 So yeah. Okay. Very good. So you did an architecture degree. Yeah. Right. That's amazing. Oh my 31 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,280 goodness. Yeah. Like how long was it? I know here they've got like, it's like five years. 32 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:46,400 Yeah, it is five years. Back at home, it's five years. And like after that, you get your 33 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,680 license and like practicing license. So I do have that, but I think it's only for India 34 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:58,320 and some of like the same license can be used in some of the mid Eastern countries as well. 35 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:05,000 But yeah, like it's been fun. And I've been working with buildings like kind of quite 36 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,040 a few years now. So yeah, kind of used to it. That's, that's class. That's, that's what 37 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:15,800 we love to hear. This is the whole point I wanted for the podcast I wanted to get on. 38 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,720 Yeah. Experts and. Of course, everyone knows like construction is kind of the most like 39 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:28,160 the biggest causes of like climate change and a lot of waste. And of course, it's time 40 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:34,840 of the like need of the hour to, you know, sort it out and like work towards it. Exactly. 41 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:41,840 Well said. Fabidi well said. And see, yeah, skills. So here before you go to university, 42 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,520 you've got secondary schools, kind of the same in India. Yeah, like I'm not too sure. 43 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:53,040 But I think you have a year longer than us. But like we do have a senior secondary schools 44 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:59,720 like and you know, when you get to choose your own subjects, like you get kind of more 45 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,800 streamlined towards your, you know, fields and what you want to do in future. Right. 46 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,960 Okay. And see when you're like at that level, did you ever envisage yourself in this sustainable 47 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:18,720 or in this particular sector? Honestly, no, not really. I actually I thought at that time 48 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:25,000 I knew that I want to go into architecture or some civil engineering kind of subject 49 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,160 like that includes buildings. But I never thought like I would go into sustainability 50 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:38,960 that actually evolved later on when I actually started studying architecture. Amazing. Like 51 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,680 class. Yeah, no, here I'm the same. See, when I was in secondary school, I was applying 52 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:49,520 for zoology courses like see, I've been working with animals and I realized you have to be 53 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:57,640 good at biology, which I wasn't. Yeah, nobody is good at that. I don't like biology either. 54 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:05,720 So my fallback was engineering, of course. Yeah, not bad. So far, so good. Well, that's 55 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:12,960 good. Do you find there was any encouragement to enter? Like, like, was there much encouragement 56 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:21,440 from the likes of your teachers to like pursue the sector you wanted or? Yeah. So like, I 57 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:27,880 had one of my dissertation professors. So he kind of knew like, you know, I was, I got 58 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:35,040 kind of interested in environmental management and sustainability kind of in my fourth year 59 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,800 of architecture. And at that time, he kind of pushed me or like kind of encouraged me 60 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,720 to go for master's as well. And then I thought might as well because I kind of wanted to 61 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:55,040 go for a master's degree. But I was not sure which subject I would be pursuing. Maybe I 62 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,840 actually thought maybe landscape architecture, but I really wanted to go into sustainability 63 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:05,360 and green buildings. So that's how I chose like my master's in sustainable development. 64 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Okay, nice. Nice. Yeah. Brilliant. Okay. Well, thanks for telling us about yourself. 65 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:17,760 We're a bit more familiar with you. Okay, well, I want to dive into your job a bit now. 66 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,720 Oh, yeah. Can you give us a brief summary of what a sustainability assessor slash engineer 67 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:30,080 does? Like, what's your day to day like? So usually, like in like this job involves a 68 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:37,920 huge learning curve for me, considering I'm kind of fresh to a lot of things. But conducting 69 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:43,360 pream assessments involves a lot of, you know, going through a lot of drawings, interacting 70 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:51,400 with building engineers, chasing them for a lot of, you know, roofs and materials to 71 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:58,800 be included in our assessments. And I'm kind of new to that. But I find it really informative. 72 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:05,160 And you know, interacting with these people is teaching me so much. Even going on sites, 73 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:11,720 which I haven't been on many like, I haven't been to many sites yet. But just the one that 74 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:18,680 was really good. And I learned so much. The on site from site engineers. Yeah. Right. 75 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Okay. And yes, you recently got your CSR card or construction skills register. I did. I 76 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:36,880 did. As Alison said, it's kind of official. It's funny. We think I got mine first in 2017, 77 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:43,880 2018. Yeah. And then that was fine. But then there's some sort of change in regulations 78 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:51,080 where you weren't a health and safety worker anymore. You got changed to labour. And then 79 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,600 those regulations changed again. And then, okay. Or you can be they can be used in the 80 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,640 UK. It was something like that. And so now I think it's, it's again, going back to health 81 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:07,040 and safety. I'm not too sure. I just remember there was that change because. Okay, yeah, 82 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:14,880 I was actually not aware about it, but I just got my CSR Labour card only recently. So yeah, 83 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,440 it's it's yeah, you know, you have to you have to do your hair. I stopped at the photo. 84 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Yeah, you do. That's brilliant. So you talk to a lot of engineers. And when you're in 85 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:33,040 the office, doing your job, which you're going to dive more into, like, would you find yourself 86 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:39,640 dealing with lots of different types of software? Yeah, I do. Actually, quite recently, I started 87 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:46,720 working on carbon calculations. And I got to know about one click LCA. Like, obviously, 88 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,000 it's kind of a famous software. And a lot of people are using it. A lot of engineers, 89 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:59,340 BIM designers and like, everybody's using that right now. But I kind of used it only 90 00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:05,000 for materials, not for building. So I'm kind of getting ahead with that. It's it's a very 91 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,880 friendly and like very handy software. And other than that, I did get to know about this 92 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:19,080 software called BCIS. It's building cost information service software, which actually tells us 93 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:26,800 about cost and the carbon of the material. But just to let everyone know, the EPD database 94 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:35,320 of that software is kind of limited. It's not as, you know, as in depth as a one click 95 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,640 LCA, but it is kind of handy. And you said EPD there, can you explain to us what that 96 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:50,000 means? So EPD is like environmental product declarations. And it's kind of, you know, 97 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,880 the products that we use and the materials that we use in construction, they kind of 98 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:03,160 like, it's kind of like an environmental declaration of the types of materials. Yes, yes, it is. 99 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:08,360 And you know, it is about the sourcing of the materials as well. And the manufacturers 100 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:15,520 kind of have that thing, which I recently learned about that they get some certifications 101 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,140 for the responsible sourcing of materials, which actually gets you the green building 102 00:11:20,140 --> 00:11:26,560 certifications as well, if you submit that certificate for the assessments. I think it's 103 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:34,840 okay. Well, very informative, Fibidi. So today's episode is going to be focusing on some aspects 104 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:43,640 of Priam. Fibidi, you mainly deal with Priam assessments and collecting information from 105 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:50,120 those assessments. We previously had Mark Clements on the podcast, giving an introduction 106 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:56,560 to Priam and all his knowledge. Mark's a Priam assessor and also Priam AP. AP standing for 107 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:01,800 applied professional. But yeah, we're going to be talking a bit more about that. So you 108 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:08,160 kind of knew before you came into this role, you kind of did know a bit about Priam. Yeah, 109 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:15,800 so like, I just knew the full form and like, you know, that it's kind of a green building 110 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:23,840 assessment that people do to get a score on their buildings and like to conduct an analysis 111 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:32,960 for green buildings and how, you know, carbon neutral is that. But in depth, I got to know 112 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:39,640 about in my current role, obviously, like working with Mark, I'm sure his podcast would 113 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:46,760 be so informative. He has been working with Priam for a longer time. And I know even I 114 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:55,280 am learning so much working with him. Not, I'm not an AP yet, but I do help with assessments, 115 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:02,480 the Priam assessments. That's class. That's class. Okay, well, Fibidi, thanks for explaining 116 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,920 a bit more about Priam. So Priam is an environmental rating that can be applied to a construction 117 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:16,760 or community project. It is pretty much an environmental assessment that you can score 118 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:26,240 on. And what you score determines the rating off your project. So if you get over 85%, 119 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,320 the project is outstanding. If you get over 70%, it's excellent. Over 55%, it's very good. 120 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Over 45%, good. When pass is 30%. And if you don't get 30%, then it's unclassified. 121 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,760 Yeah, you won't get the certification. 122 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:50,040 But yeah, Mark was, like in his podcast, went into detail about the different sections. 123 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,040 Yeah. 124 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,920 So I've got a wee question for you. Could you tell me how many sections there are in 125 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:06,840 the Priam assessment? I think there are nine, ten categories. Yeah, yes, that is correct. 126 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,560 So I'm just going to run down through them now. There is management, health and wellbeing, 127 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:19,880 energy, transport, water, materials, waste, land use and ecology, pollution. And then 128 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:27,720 there's another one that you can add on, dependent on what your score is or what credits you 129 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:34,160 target called innovation. So 10 possible sections can be assessed in total. 130 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:40,200 I actually forgot innovation, to be honest, because innovation is kind of a tricky one. 131 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Because, you know, when you are trying to achieve some of the credits, you have to, 132 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:57,240 so innovation credit you get when you target for the exemplary credits. So you score those 133 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:03,720 exemplary credits when you provide some more evidences and some extra commitment and research 134 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:11,880 about, you know, the other nine credits that you already mentioned. So, yeah. 135 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:20,360 OK, excellent. Excellent. Well, I kind of want to say 12. I said 12. And I kind of wanted 136 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:28,840 to delve a bit more into Priam itself. One of the sections being that of materials. I 137 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,280 think like I kind of know about, but I think you know about because you recently passed 138 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:43,000 your low carbon. You recently passed your low your LCA analysis. 139 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,280 Yeah, I did. I did. I actually attended the OneClick LCA bootcamp just to get an idea 140 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:56,480 about how to use the software. And so basically, OneClick LCA is used for the material section 141 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:05,360 of Priam. And we use that to get an idea about the embodied carbon of a specific material. 142 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:12,480 And yeah, it was an interesting session and I did get a certification. I gave an exam 143 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,440 and I got that certification. Congratulations. Thank you. When are we going for pints to 144 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:23,240 celebrate? Definitely. I don't drink, but I will. With a pint of glass or a pint of 145 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:30,560 coke. Listen, you can watch me drink. Okay. But no, that's really great to hear because 146 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:37,400 as you said previously, buildings and construction, they make up around 40% of the world's carbon 147 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:43,760 emissions. And further into that majority of it is the types of materials that the building 148 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:50,280 uses. So LCAs, I've seen a prominent rise in them in the last number of years. Remember 149 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:58,280 back in 2018, 2019, they weren't really around the field. And then I think as soon as maybe 150 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:06,320 end of 2019, 2020 hit, everyone had to do an LCA because of new regulations and be re-advised, 151 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:13,920 et cetera. Yeah. And personally, I feel that this kind of a necessary step towards reducing 152 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:21,280 the embodied carbon and the words like carbon neutrality in terms of the construction sector. 153 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:27,360 And I think it's a good initiative that everyone, I think a lot of companies are taking, a lot 154 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:32,680 of construction forms and infrastructure people are doing nowadays. Excellent. Pretty much 155 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,880 just to summarize what an LCA tool or assessment is. It's a summary of the materials used in 156 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:46,960 the building and it pretty much shows you how much carbon is emitted. And yeah, I think 157 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:54,640 that's it. That sounds pretty well. Okay. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Just one more 158 00:17:54,640 --> 00:18:01,920 detail about this and then I'll move on and stop pestering about it. Okay. Yeah, sure. 159 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:07,880 Do you find that there was any useful guides to read up on? Because folks in my head, and 160 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,600 I'm always, I'm always thinking about the future. Okay. In my head, LCAs are really 161 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:20,840 big in London or the likes of England now where they're needed. Doesn't probably not 162 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,880 going to take long for them to come over to Northern Ireland where there would be a requirement 163 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:31,320 for them. I say not take long. It's probably going to take five years. That's my estimation. 164 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:38,920 But it means that people in maybe in universities at school learn what they are now. They can 165 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:44,600 go into the workforce, have a skill set, maybe decide if they want to travel down that route. 166 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:51,120 In my head, there's going to be a lot of work for them. Yeah, I think you are right. But 167 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:59,240 I am sure like there are so many online platforms right now that students or even working professionals 168 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:07,080 can refer to at this point. And the OneClickLCA website itself has so many courses, like free 169 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:14,640 courses and like so much, you know, study material for everyone. Moreover, I can actually 170 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:21,400 recommend some courses on LinkedIn. If there are a few readings as well, but personally, 171 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:27,720 I'm not a fan of like many, you know, reports and not a reader myself, but there are kind 172 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,960 of some references which I can share with you. Okay, yes. I'm like, yeah, here, when 173 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:39,880 this episode that goes out, you'll get tagged. And definitely I can share some references 174 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:45,720 and like that can be, you know, you can post it or share it with folks. Excellent. I'll 175 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:51,920 put it in the episode thing. To be honest, I've been doing this. This will be my, I haven't 176 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:59,040 decided if it's my ninth or 10th episode. We'll see. But I've been posting the links 177 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,280 and the likes of I've been showing up on Spotify, Apple podcasts, but I don't know if anyone's 178 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,000 looking at that. I'm sure some people would. I'm trying to think of the psychology of like 179 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,680 listening to a podcast, like, you know, yeah, I read the bio. Or do I just feel like that 180 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:20,360 looks like a fun title? Let's go. That is true. That is true. But like for stratos, 181 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:26,320 I would say if somebody is looking to become an LCA expert, they can actually go to the 182 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:33,200 OneClick LCA website. And there are some really good online courses. Okay. The one for beginners, 183 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:39,680 like, you know, just because ultimately you'll get the knowledge by conducting those assessments 184 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:45,560 when you use the software. So eventually you will get more efficient on that. But, you 185 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:51,600 know, just just to start off, just to, you know, give it a push. Okay. Well, thank you 186 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:58,280 for the date for discussing the likes of LCA and Breyam. Now we're going to move on to 187 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,520 the Breyam, Breyam, Breyam. Yeah. Now we are going to move on to the Breakin' Breyam round. 188 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Oh, wow. Sounds exciting. You'd be, you'd be half correct. Okay, we'll see. Hopefully. 189 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:21,240 I am scared about it because I am kind of new to this, but every time, like there's, 190 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:27,600 there's a first time. There's always a first time. So I'm going to yabber off some facts 191 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:35,680 here and just want your opinion on them. Okay. So every one in 14 people globally work in 192 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,840 the construction or building industry. Really? Yeah. I was not too sure actually about that. 193 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,080 I thought it would be more like one to six ratio or one to 10 ratio. Okay. Well, like, 194 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,560 listen, I got these facts and figures from sustainable construction, facts and figures 195 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:59,960 changes.org. Okay. It's a reliable website. I'm sure I'm 100% sure about that. No, that 196 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,480 like, that's the thing. Okay. I'll check that. No, what, but when I next have you on, I'll 197 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:11,800 check that data and get back to you. So my next fact is, apparently we need to build 198 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:20,080 13,000 buildings each day to accommodate the expected increase in population by 2050. Really? 199 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:26,000 That is insane. That is so insane. Like, do we even have that much land? Exactly. I don't 200 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,200 think we have that much land or even the resources or even like, you know, as you said, planet 201 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,800 is getting hotter, warmer every day. Yeah. Like how are we going to include all those 202 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:42,760 things? Like how from there, we're going to get the NRG. It's funny because you find when 203 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:49,120 I talk to maybe clients or contractors on the phone and they're just like, you know, 204 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:53,880 you go for the general flight, like, you know, at niceties at the start and they're like, 205 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,000 ah, how's the weather over where you are? Because usually they're over over, they're 206 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,720 usually over on England or mainlander Scotland. They're like, ah, it's really, it's actually 207 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,440 quite sunny over here. It's like, you know, it's quite nice temperature. What about you? 208 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,080 It's like, yeah, we've got a quite nice temperature. It's around like, you know, seven, eight 209 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:20,040 degrees. Like, yeah, what's wrong with you? That is so true. Got another interesting fact 210 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:29,120 for you. The Parch Khalifa. It required the equivalent of a small US city population to 211 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:37,600 reconstruct. Really? Oh my goodness. That is, I do not know that. You can tell this is 212 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:46,200 an American fact because it's a small US population. Did you know that this is kind of going back 213 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,240 to one of the Briam topics we talked about. Yeah. Not the Briam topics, the Briam assessments 214 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:59,760 we talked about. Yeah. The likes of pollution. Yeah. Pollution. So did you know yearly UK's 215 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:07,200 environmental agency has to respond to around 350 serious pollution related incidents caused 216 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,360 by construction? Oh my God. That is too many. That is, yeah, that is a lot. And it's like, 217 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:19,600 you know, serious pollution related incidents. So the likes of having Briam on a project, 218 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:25,760 on a construction project where the pollution is being assessed or monitored. It's really 219 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,880 important. It is actually because if everyone would incorporate that, it would significantly 220 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:39,280 reduce the complaints and like the incidents that happen and like, you know, that cause 221 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:46,400 pollution so much. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to move on to ask you some hard questions now. 222 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,400 All right. These are really hard. Don't make me nervous. These are really hard for Briam. 223 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:57,480 You should have really studied for them. Okay. Oh my God. I did not. But yeah, I'm ready 224 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:09,840 for it. Okay. Who owns Briam? So the BRE Trust owns the Briam. BRE would be building research 225 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:21,200 establishment. If somebody doesn't know about that, that's it. I know that. That's actually 226 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:33,440 very good. Okay. The BRE, do you know when they were founded? I think it was early 2000s. 227 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:40,200 But I'm not too sure about the year. Okay. You're a bit off. You're a bit off. Okay. 228 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:47,480 It was 1921. Okay. Oh my goodness. Really? I'm just a bit off. But the BRE is a really 229 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:54,200 big body. I've got some notes on them here. I'm just going to pull them up. Yeah. But 230 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,880 I know what you're talking about. Briam offices, which is kind of the first kind of Briam assessment. 231 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:06,920 Oh, Briam four offices. It was launched as an environmental assessment in around 1990 232 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:14,360 or 1991. Oh, so like the 90s. Okay. Yeah. That's when the first kind of Briam assessment 233 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:21,360 with the likes of BRE, they've been around since 1921. And it was originally started 234 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,840 as part of the British Civil Service to improve quality of housing in the United Kingdom. 235 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:33,160 Oh, wow. So I was a little off. Yeah. Yeah. Just a little. Listen, you can take that far. 236 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Take a bit. Okay. Definitely. I will remember it now. Yeah. Speaking of buildings. Okay. 237 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,280 In my head, I'm trying to think of like, I've got a pun. I'm just trying to think of the 238 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:55,280 acceptable delivery for it. But a lot of buildings, like one of the places I want to go is Egypt. 239 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:03,400 And did you hear about the pyramids? Yeah, I have. I built out of chocolate and nuts. 240 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:10,720 It's called. When did that happen? It's called Farah Rosh air. That is a good one. It is 241 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,160 a good one. The mechanical engineer who told me this. Okay, shout out to Ryan. Okay. But 242 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,920 you know, thanks for giving that to me before. Definitely. I wanted to squeeze that in because 243 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,480 like, listen, I love puns. I absolutely love puns. We love it. And I love seeing other 244 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,160 people's reactions to puns. Oh, yeah. It's it's whether I know like, okay, I can't tell 245 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,180 that one or I can't. No, that was a good one. It was definitely a good one. Thank you for 246 00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:42,960 your validation. I do appreciate it. I'm sure everyone is going to enjoy that. And okay, 247 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,960 I'm going to ask you another hard question. Okay, bring it on. Get ready to the nearest 248 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:58,720 hundred thousand. Do you know how many buildings have been Braem certified? I would say maybe 249 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:06,520 around like, 400,000. And just a random guess. You know what? You're really close. You're 250 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:19,920 really close. Really? It's 55. 5500. 550,000. Also, not that bad. Bad. We need one more 251 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:28,720 150,000. In my defense, I can say that I read that fact a few months ago. So it could be 252 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,640 an old one. You know what? That's I like that you're covering all bases. Okay. Like, you 253 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:40,200 know, that's it. Okay. I'm gonna ask you another question. And then that's all tied up. Okay, 254 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,800 we'll wrap up. Okay. All right. Do you know how many buildings or how many assessments 255 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:53,240 have been registered with Braem? I cannot even make a random guess of that, to be honest, 256 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920 because I'm sure it's going to be too many. Okay. Well, I actually I got this from the 257 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,440 BRE website. So apparently over 2 million are registered for certification in more than 258 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:11,160 50 countries. Oh my god. See, I couldn't have guessed that. I couldn't have. Listen, it's 259 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,520 it's like, but that's a good thing. I would say like, it's it's we are working towards 260 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,480 we're working our way towards net zero. Exactly. And just like to point out, like, you know, 261 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,960 if it's BRE registered doesn't necessarily mean it's like a new building. There's also 262 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:35,160 different types of BRE. Can you name them for me? It could be a new building. It could 263 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,480 be a retrofitted building. And it could be a refurb. So the retrofitting and refurb would 264 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:50,320 be the same project, I think. Yeah. And there would be a demolish demol building that is 265 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:57,280 demolished or is about to be demolished. Yeah, there's a BREAM in use assessment and 266 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,680 also BREAM communities assessment. So yeah, the more you know, we've talked a lot about 267 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,200 BREAM today. A lot about LCA. A lot about LCA and BREAM stuff, I'm sure. And it was 268 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,560 really, really informative for myself and all your interesting facts and funny puns. 269 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:24,080 Thank you very much. You can come back. I am up for the next episode. Stay tuned guys. 270 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Excellent. Well, just before we wrap up, can you tell me what you enjoy most about your 271 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:40,000 work? So like, I'm obviously really enjoying working with my like brilliant colleagues and 272 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,320 learning so much from everyone. And so much about green building certifications and BREAM. 273 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,280 But yeah, I'm looking forward to you know, making change with all the knowledge I have. 274 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:58,760 And I'm sure like every baby step counts. So yeah, I'm just trying to get you know, 275 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,440 do my bit towards environment and the climate that I can. 276 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,200 We should get you. You should be a poster child for like, you know, BPP. Like, you know, 277 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,920 it's like you just give speeches on like, oh, the great change. 278 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,160 That is that is a very, very scary for me because I'm kind of scared about like speeches 279 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,360 and being around too many people. But I'll definitely give it a go. 280 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Here, don't even I was at a conference on Friday. And I thought there's there's about 281 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,440 400 people there. Oh, my God. And they're going for questions. And I thought, I'll ask 282 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:39,040 a question. That'll be fine. And I was kind of like, interested, like, or like, I really 283 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,400 wanted to ask like one of the panel members a question. Because he said something which 284 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,360 I'll come back to you after. But he like, as soon as the microphone came to me, and 285 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,440 I'm like, OK, you can you can ask a question. So I stood up. And I thought, yeah, this is 286 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,760 going to be fine. Like, I do this, like, you know, on the side, like, you know, I'm used 287 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:05,280 to speaking. See you soon. As everyone turned around and looked at me, my voice was the 288 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:11,240 shakiest it had ever been. I know I've been there. I've been there. It's like, you were 289 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:18,200 obviously around 400 people. I was in a class of 40 students and still my voice is so smooth. 290 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:26,120 So I can I've been there. Been there, done that. But another thing I just wanted to say 291 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,720 why body carbon is important. Like, you know, looking at materials is important. And one 292 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:39,840 of the panel members, they had like mentioned that their company was like, oh, yeah, we're 293 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,920 going green. Like, it's really green, because maybe it wasn't using it was using an alternative 294 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:52,960 fuel. So instead of petrol, it was using I won't say it, but like it wasn't using as 295 00:32:52,960 --> 00:33:01,760 much petrol as its competitors. OK. And one. And so I'm like, OK, that's grand. You're 296 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:11,480 reducing carbon that way. However, the alternative to not using petrol in my mind was more using 297 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:19,600 more materials and in their process, kind of like a vicious cycle, I must say, because 298 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,680 even though like we do have a few really good materials, like good fuels coming up that 299 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:33,480 are kind of kind of sustainable and have low, low carbon impact. But I'm sure you must have 300 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:41,640 heard about HBO, HBO, hydro vegetable oil that that has been used on sites by a lot 301 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:47,440 of companies. I think that's that's kind of an alternative for diesel and petrol for 302 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,840 the equipment on site. OK. I got to know about this kind of recently. I wasn't aware about 303 00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,000 it before, but that is also not 100 percent sustainable. But it's still, you know, better 304 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:09,320 than the other alternatives. OK. OK. But yeah, that was my point. And if you're using 305 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,040 like more materials than like in the likes of embodied carbon, are you really saving 306 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:23,360 something? Are you really reducing carbon? That is actually like, you know, sad. And 307 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,960 that's how we end the podcast. Thank you so much, everyone for listening. Yes. Well, 308 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,360 Fibiddy, thank you for coming on. You've been absolutely great. And I'll be sure to have 309 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:39,520 you back on any time. I would love to be back. Yeah, because nobody can see me here and I 310 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,640 can speak. OK. Well, thanks for listening. Carbon climates. If you make sure you follow 311 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:53,200 us on our Instagram at carbon underscore climates to keep up to date with all our latest news 312 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,960 and episode releases. Yeah. No, thanks for listening, guys. Bye.