1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,520 Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates. 2 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,320 Thank you both for being with us today. 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:28,400 We also want to point out what's getting hot, besides from our planet. 4 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,560 I'm your host, Anya, and I'm joined by my Carbon Climate and co-host, 5 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,680 Theron, who I will be introducing shortly before we get into today's topic. 6 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,360 Theron, how's your week been? Can you tell us a bit about yourself? 7 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,120 We've seen quite exciting actually. 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,480 Today I was at Sikki-T, so I got to see their factory, which is really nice, 9 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,720 and I've also been at Translink. 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,200 I was helping, well, I'm not doing the Carbon Literacy training yet, 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,120 but I was washing my colleague doing it, because I'm going to be doing some of them as well. 12 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,400 So it's all new and exciting in my job life. 13 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Oh, very good. And Kutige Svig, what exactly is your job title? 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,480 Yeah, so I'm an environmental adviser. 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,520 I work for a business community, Northern Ireland. 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:23,200 And basically what I do is the Northern Ireland Benchmarking Survey. 17 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,800 Benchmarking. 18 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,160 So it's the environmental benchmarking survey. 19 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:36,280 And we basically, it's like a free survey, and any business can do it. 20 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,320 And it's very good because it's anything like environmental, 21 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:44,360 so it looks at all different types of things, like if you're calculating your carbon, 22 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,320 your greenhouse gases, if you're engaging your customers, 23 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,400 engaging your suppliers, engaging your employees. 24 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Right. 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,240 And we also look at like nature and biodiversity, and if you're doing anything in that, 26 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,280 then at the end you would get like a score, which you'd be awarded, 27 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,960 because from green up until platinum, and then you can just, every year, 28 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,600 it's challenging, and you're able to like go up in the grades. 29 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,800 And hopefully get platinum funding. 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Oh, nice. 31 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,480 This is the goal for most people anyway. 32 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Oh, that's class. 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,960 So it is really good. 34 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,480 Yeah, that's okay. 35 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,480 And well, thank you for explaining that Catherine. 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Kate, tell us, how long have you been in this sector, in the environmental sector? 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,440 So my current job is an adviser only three months. 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,440 Okay, yeah. 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:44,320 But before that, I had done a KTP and also I was an environmental and quality engineer. 40 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Okay. 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,200 So I think in total now I'd be about five years in the sector. 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Oh my goodness. 43 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,760 And it's amazing if you're like, we're the same age, we're only 18, aren't we? 44 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Yeah, 19 next week. 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,160 I'm excited. 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,160 I wish. 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,160 I wish. 48 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,160 I wish. 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,160 I wish. 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,160 I wish. 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,160 I wish. 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,160 I wish. 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,160 I wish. 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,160 I wish. 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,800 We actually just a bit of background for everyone, but I know Catherine, Queen's University, 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,360 Belfast, and we actually did a master's in environmental engineering together. 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,040 So this is in promo for the degree that was supposed to kind of be like we get some of 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,040 this degree after. 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Yeah, it looks like you could tell Queen's. 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Yeah, this is us five years on. 61 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,840 We're both bride and in our environmental and energy jobs. 62 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,840 So yeah. 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,240 And it's fun because we both went down very different parts. 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,240 Yeah, yeah. 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,160 Because I was for a long time, I was in the concrete side of everything and you're obviously 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,160 the energy side. 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 But we always, even when we meet up, we're a bit of geek. 68 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Yes, exactly. 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,560 We talk a lot about you, even when we're at the last line. 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Oh my God. 71 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Well, you actually mentioned there a term, can we TP? 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Yeah. 73 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,040 Can you take us through exactly what that is? 74 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Like or? 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,040 Yeah. 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,200 So actually when I seen it, it was advertised after our master's. 77 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,800 I seen it on my email. 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,800 I had no idea what it was either. 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,000 But basically it's a knowledge transfer partnership. 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,680 And so what it is is it takes a graduate, it takes a uni and it takes a company. 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,960 And then you work on a project for, you know, a number of months or years. 82 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Mine's was three years, but I think you get one year and two years as well. 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Oh yeah. 84 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,800 And so you work on this project and then it's great because you get a budget out of it as 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,800 well. 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,600 So it's your own developmental budget and you can, there's another budget then that 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,720 you can spend on travel and then another budget that you can spend on your actual project. 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,440 So say you need anything. 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,680 I worked in the lab a lot and needed a lot of things. 90 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Okay, yeah. 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,680 So it is really good. 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,960 So I got to do a lot of things. 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,400 I got to go to Morocco actually through my KGB. 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:05,200 I was at a, it was like a concrete conference, sustainability and all things concrete. 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,480 It was, it was a great opportunity. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,760 So you got to meet everyone from around the world. 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Right okay. 98 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,240 And they all had, you know, the same like interests as you. 99 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Of course. 100 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,760 But no, it was, it's very good. 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,200 I also got to present a couple of things at it. 102 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Right. 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,560 So my memory, I'm like a granny. 104 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,680 So it's all those, um, acronyms. 105 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,360 I can't remember the most. 106 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,080 So what I presented at the, hold on, that fight it here. 107 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Yes, I see BBM. 108 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,080 I see. 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,880 So it's the International Conference on Bio-Based Building Materials. 110 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:45,880 So that's in life. 111 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,160 You can see why it is short in it. 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,600 And so I presented it back and then I actually published a paper from it as well. 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,600 Wow. 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,960 So it was a really, really good thing to be able to do. 115 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,640 So God, I got to do that. 116 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:07,960 And then I also presented at the Northern Ireland Manufacturing and Supply Change Conference 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,480 in Expo 2022. 118 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,480 Wow. 119 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,480 So that was more, it was a more casual one. 120 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,880 It was just, you know, four, four stages and you could float in and out. 121 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,480 But it was just, it was really good when I got you, you know, with you out there and 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,920 get you talking to everyone and you get to know everyone and the industry then and, you 123 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,560 know, Kate, you have a definitely for graduates recommend. 124 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Yeah. 125 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,520 If you see the opportunity and you're, you like the project, definitely. 126 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,160 That's, that's actually amazing to hear. 127 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,160 Yeah. 128 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,040 Like one of the points I've been trying to get across with this podcast is, well, so our 129 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,840 degree, our environmental engineering degree, I've heard so much in terms of the, you know, 130 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:53,240 environmental and energy sector, like when I was doing that degree, I didn't know the 131 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,480 role I'm in now existed. 132 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,800 And so yeah, and here we are. 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,360 And the fact that like, you know, the KTP, like you're able to do it on, is it, is it 134 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,360 a tough process? 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Like, you know, you were competing for that role or was there other people with that or 136 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,640 for the KTP? 137 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,640 Yeah. 138 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:18,080 So it was like an application you went for the interview and I think it's, you know, 139 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,120 the way they like narrow it down. 140 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Yeah. 141 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,440 There was between me and maybe one or two other people. 142 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,440 Right. 143 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Okay. 144 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,440 And then thankfully I got it. 145 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,760 But yeah, so it's just like, as if you're applying for a job. 146 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Yeah. 147 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,480 But then you have supervisors in the company, and you have supervisors in uni. 148 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,600 So you're not letting go of that uni aspect just yet. 149 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,120 And you still feel a bit like a student, even though you're actually staff. 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,120 You're definitely not a student. 151 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 It's me pretending I'm 18 again. 152 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,480 Oh, well, that's really great to hear. 153 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,640 And this is at Queens. 154 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,240 So you got to spend a lot of time at Queens. 155 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,240 University of Belfast. 156 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Yeah. 157 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,960 I know there's different Queens universities. 158 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,680 And what was your favourite aspect about Queens? 159 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,200 University of Belfast, like, did you enjoy the lawn lectures or the, when you went to 160 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,400 do, um, testing in the cold or the pints in the students? 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,400 Yeah. 162 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,400 Yeah. 163 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Straight there. 164 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:28,680 No, see, one of my favourite things by Queens was actually, um, there's a lot of concrete 165 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,360 land, ice tents, whoo, much of time going there. 166 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,640 And, um, see all the technicians, like they're so helpful and just everyone's like, just 167 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,400 there and ready to help. 168 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,560 And if you wanted to batter all, you could batter all of us as well. 169 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:46,320 So it was, it's just a really nice environment down there. 170 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,320 That's awesome. 171 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,320 You should have to Queens. 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Yeah. 173 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Again, they're not paying us or anything. 174 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,160 No, no, no, no, no, this is me just having a general opinion. 175 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,120 Oh, that's, yeah, that's really great to hear. 176 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Um, yeah, I remember when we finished the degree or like during, around the time when we were 177 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:12,040 rounding up the degree, um, again, I didn't know, like, I didn't, I didn't feel like I 178 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:17,240 knew enough of labs that existed or maybe it was like too overwhelming. 179 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Like, I'm like, there are a lot of people in our class that get to tell they were getting 180 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:26,000 into the, you know, the environmental impact assessments, um, role, which is a great, a 181 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 really great role. 182 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,440 But I'm like, is this the only role that goes on? 183 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:35,240 And I feel like really prime examples of like, no, it's not like, you know, you know, I 184 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,720 agree because I think a lot of people's where I went on the, you know, the remediation sort 185 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,720 of side of it. 186 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,720 Yes. 187 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Yeah. 188 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,720 Well, now it's like, I just don't think that's what I like to do. 189 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,200 But I think it's really hard if you don't know what to do. 190 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,960 It's great for the likes of us talking on this podcast, get people ideas. 191 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:51,960 Yeah. 192 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Because, you know, you, you've write and, uh, what's that job? 193 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Uh, like LinkedIn or? 194 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Yeah, not LinkedIn. 195 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Or indeed. 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Indeed. 197 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,440 Uh, you type in environmental jobs and the same thing comes up. 198 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,440 Yeah. 199 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,680 So I think it's really good. 200 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:10,680 Like LinkedIn is great though as well. 201 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:11,680 It is. 202 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:16,560 You know, just to be able to see what everyone does because that's how I actually see my 203 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:17,560 new role. 204 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:18,560 Yeah. 205 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,440 Um, the business community, they put it up on LinkedIn. 206 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,240 So I was like, I just came across him and was like, my God, that's ideal. 207 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 That's exactly what path I want to go down. 208 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Yeah. 209 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,480 I was six years off of graduating. 210 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,440 So, or I don't know how to say it anyway. 211 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,960 So it just shows you that you don't know. 212 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,680 Like I got to 28 and still didn't know what I wanted to do. 213 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:43,680 That's it. 214 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,120 Oh, and look at us now. 215 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Look at you now. 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Thrive in. 217 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,120 So they thrive in. 218 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Well, good. 219 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,120 Yeah. 220 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,400 I think that's really good to hear about your role and just like to circle back in a point 221 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:02,240 we were talking about, see at school, when you're at secondary school, um, before you 222 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:08,680 went to uni, did you ever like envisage yourself in this role in particular, like in the engineering 223 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:09,680 or environmental route? 224 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:10,680 I don't know. 225 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:11,680 I absolutely not. 226 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,840 Um, I think in school, I was like rather shy. 227 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,880 Whenever in a million years thought I'd be getting up and, you know, like talking to 228 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,360 people or now it'll be very soon like teaching them. 229 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,080 And I just never thought I would be anything like that. 230 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,080 I did always like the environment. 231 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,080 Yeah. 232 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Um, I went to environmental club when I was eight years old. 233 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,800 There's an environmental club. 234 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,520 My principal started it and that's how I learned how to spell environments because we had to 235 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,520 go home and learn. 236 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Okay. 237 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Yeah. 238 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,080 And we just planted some trees around the school and, you know, things like that. 239 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480 And I think that's where it all like sparked. 240 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,360 I mean, it's my environmental club at eight years old. 241 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,360 That's class. 242 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:57,520 And then when I was like growing up then when I was younger, I always wanted to design buildings 243 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,920 and then like, um, that kind of went into where I did civil engineering. 244 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,400 That was my first degree. 245 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:09,840 Then when I was in civil engineering, we always loved the sustainable or the sustainability 246 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,640 modules, especially the likes of renewable energy. 247 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,720 There's something about renewable energy. 248 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Yeah. 249 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,880 And so that's what brought me then to environmental engineering. 250 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Okay. 251 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,880 Right. 252 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:29,240 And then the same when I was in uni, both times, my, um, my projects, you know, my dissertations 253 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,240 always seemed to be on concrete. 254 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,480 And I don't know why I was just attracted to that as well. 255 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,400 So went into concrete, but it was, um, the likes of like cement replacements. 256 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:48,120 And as well, like recycled aggregates, you know, trying to make it more sustainable. 257 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,040 So everything kind of just led on a path, which me at 15 years old, that's with a career 258 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,040 teacher, but never have thought. 259 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,120 Never thought I'd be looking at concrete and the environment. 260 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,120 So cool. 261 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Like, it's even, it's one of those terms like, see no one but I know no I by concrete. 262 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,440 I'm like, this is a, that's a whole industry and it sounds like that's a whole sector. 263 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Like many jobs that can stem from that. 264 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,120 Um, see, like, see me when I was like 14, 15, like yourself and it's concrete. 265 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,120 Like, like, what is it? 266 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Yeah. 267 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,120 I was the same. 268 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,120 It was like bricks and stones. 269 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,440 This is probably a good time to tell you the name of this episode. 270 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,440 I forgot to, I usually, usually for these podcasts, I forget to introduce like the title 271 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,440 of the episode. 272 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,120 I'm more just introduced the person and that's it. 273 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,440 But I've called this one or it'll appear on Spotify, Apple podcasts. 274 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,680 So the streaming services were on or less than services were on. 275 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:50,800 The evidence is concrete. 276 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,800 What evidence? 277 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Well, that's just it. 278 00:13:53,800 --> 00:14:01,200 But that's really good to hear and great to hear about your time at Queens. 279 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,560 And you did your bachelor's in Scotland at Paisley, didn't you? 280 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:06,560 Yes, I got a few WS Paisley. 281 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,560 Amazing. 282 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,840 I was four years and I did one semester away as a Rasmus as well. 283 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:13,840 Right, okay. 284 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,160 So I was over in France and it was a great opportunity. 285 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,160 It was all French and I didn't know French. 286 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Oh yeah? 287 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,160 So it was a challenge in itself. 288 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:28,240 But I find when I came home, then when I was back in like English lessons, some words 289 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,160 I had learned in French and I was like, what was that? 290 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,840 But no, it was great. 291 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,440 I was a civil engineer and over in Paisley. 292 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Okay, very good. 293 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,720 Well, my degree I actually did. 294 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,200 I actually did at Ulster University. 295 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Jordan's time. 296 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,200 And then I came home. 297 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,200 That's Jordan's time. 298 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,640 It doesn't exist anymore, but it's fine. 299 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,080 I don't know if it doesn't exist. 300 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,520 I should probably check in on Real Guinea, but my degree I did clean technology. 301 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:58,840 It doesn't exist anymore. 302 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,720 They amalgamated it with building services. 303 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,720 So. 304 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Well, it's very interesting. 305 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,760 Well, it's now called architectural technology. 306 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,760 And I think it's either, I think it's still a bachelor's of engineering or I'm going to 307 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,480 change it to bachelor's of science. 308 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,640 Yeah, I should check in with the old guy. 309 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,320 I can see how they're doing. 310 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Have you been to the Nailster University campus in Valvast? 311 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,600 No, not at all. 312 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,120 Where does it look amazing? 313 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,840 It is absolutely classed. 314 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Yeah. 315 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:38,560 I mean, I really, yeah, I was there, I was there maybe a couple months ago, given a talk 316 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,200 to some of the students regarding accreditation, like a body. 317 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 I'm on accreditation body. 318 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,760 I'm on and one of the security of it, like, you know, it's great top notch, but you need 319 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,320 passes to get everywhere, everywhere, like a shooting card and Queens. 320 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,640 Like I'm here. 321 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,280 That's great for security and everything. 322 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,280 Yeah. 323 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,160 I remember like just Jordan's Town campus. 324 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,360 You could just walk by it. 325 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:08,320 I'm like, you know, the only place you needed security was the library on Queens, Queens 326 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,120 System, the only place you need security. 327 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,120 It's just a library. 328 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Library. 329 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:18,200 And then there's all, I suppose it is a top notch university and yeah, they do need security. 330 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Okay. 331 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,200 And it's just rambling at the minute. 332 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Just please ignore me. 333 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,200 Okay. 334 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,200 So I do get you though. 335 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,200 It's like more freedom. 336 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Yeah. 337 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,200 Yeah. 338 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,200 More freedom. 339 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Like, let the house beings come back and like, you know, experience their youth. 340 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Experience their youth. 341 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,200 Okay. 342 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,200 But that's really great. 343 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,200 So I just wanted to talk a bit more about you and your roles. 344 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:48,480 So you set up KTP and the places you got to travel and you went to Morocco. 345 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Yes. 346 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,480 Yes. 347 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,200 So last class, how long were you in Morocco for? 348 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,200 Oh, holy fuck. 349 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,200 I think in total it was 12 days. 350 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,200 12 days? 351 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Wow. 352 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Because it was really unfortunate for me because I wasn't able to use any of my budget and 353 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,200 go anywhere because I got my KTP over COVID. 354 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Okay. 355 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,200 I'll have a second to speak. 356 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,200 The usual story. 357 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,200 Oh yeah. 358 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,600 So you obviously couldn't travel or anything. 359 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:20,200 So at the very end, the Morocco trip came up and I went over with my Queen supervisors. 360 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Yeah. 361 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,200 And our last bit of KTP to do together. 362 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,200 Okay. 363 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,200 So KTP is like Morocco. 364 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,200 So at the end of the conference over there. 365 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Yeah. 366 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,200 And of course, got to see all the culture as well at the same time. 367 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,200 That's amazing. 368 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,200 So KTP, it's like, what's your education and like learning and fun and job. 369 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Travel and like, you know, nice to go. 370 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:51,200 I reckon if it wasn't over COVID, you would go maybe overseas to like the likes of England 371 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,040 or, you know, there was an opportunity to go to Spain, but it was COVID as well. 372 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,520 So if there's conferences in different countries, you can actually go because you would never 373 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,520 pay for it for yourself. 374 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,520 You couldn't afford it. 375 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:08,240 But with this budget that you have to use or just disappears. 376 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,440 So why not go to places that you never, you know, you'll never get to go to. 377 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,440 So that's really great. 378 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,440 I really like it here. 379 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,760 And I think that's the thing with KTP is I was very focused on you and your development 380 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,760 as well. 381 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:28,760 Which I thought was great because I got lots of things out of it, but I did, you know, 382 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,760 a modern course out of it and things like that as well. 383 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:41,480 So it's just if you can justify that you need it in your path of working life, then they're 384 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,760 very open to letting you do it. 385 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,760 It was great. 386 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,760 It honestly was. 387 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,760 It's close to here. 388 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,760 So, like, thanks so much for telling us about your roles. 389 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:03,400 But you said the likes of there's like stuff in your budget or like what type of training 390 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,840 have you done so far to get to the roles? 391 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 So I just did my undergrad. 392 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Yeah. 393 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,760 And then my postgrad as well, environmental engineering. 394 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:22,760 I've done a whole rigmarole of training and really random stuff like forklift licence. 395 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,760 You have forklift licence? 396 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Extraklift licence. 397 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,760 I've done a pallet truck licence. 398 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,760 So it's like we random flights. 399 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,760 So sometimes I've driven or not anymore. 400 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Yeah, yeah. 401 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,760 I could previously. 402 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,760 What else? 403 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:43,760 So I actually, through my KTP thought, my need wash, health and safety. 404 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,760 And the course side. 405 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,760 What does need wash done for? 406 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,760 Apologies. 407 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Excellent. 408 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,760 So it's a national examination board and occupational safety and health. 409 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,760 It's what it stands for. 410 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:55,760 Brilliant. 411 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,760 As I told you. 412 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,760 It's like long titles. 413 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,760 I think that's the qualification. 414 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,760 That's the thing I noticed, see when applying for jobs after uni. 415 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,760 That's the qualification, see all the environmental roles. 416 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,760 Uh-huh. 417 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,760 So if you're not specified, like, oh, have your need wash or need wash is preferred. 418 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,760 It's a really great qualification. 419 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,760 Yeah, the need wash is great as well. 420 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,760 See that health and safety one that I did. 421 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,760 That can get you into health and safety adviser roles. 422 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:37,760 If someone didn't go to uni or have just GCSEs, that's a really sought after one. 423 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,760 But everyone says, I always say this to my sister when she was thinking of her A levels 424 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,760 and stuff and go to uni. 425 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,760 You don't have to go to uni. 426 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Yeah. 427 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,760 I loved it and personally it's the path that I wanted to do. 428 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,760 But now you've got the likes of these need wash courses and things like that. 429 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,760 So definitely it's a good one to look into as well. 430 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760 I've actually noticed that you said that. 431 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Uh-huh. 432 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,760 You don't need to go to uni. 433 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,760 I know we were just prison queens. 434 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Yeah. 435 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,760 You just go. 436 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:17,760 And however, I always remember from my childhood, like, 15, 16, secondary school. 437 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Yeah, at that age, I didn't know what I wanted to do. 438 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,760 And that was the age where they tell you to pick and like, OK, decide what you want to 439 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,760 do for the rest of your life. 440 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,760 And you're like, what is this feeling? 441 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,760 Like, oh, it's anxiety. 442 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:38,760 I'll always remember a careers, like a panel of careers people coming in. 443 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,760 I think there are people from different industries or from the careers advice. 444 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:50,760 And each of them give advice being like, oh yes, English means A levels, you're good at. 445 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Or like, you know, choose a course in uni you're going to like. 446 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,760 And then there was this one woman. 447 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,760 And she said, honestly, do a part time degree and like, like, you know, find a job. 448 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Somewhere like you don't need to go to uni. 449 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:09,760 Like, you know, and do this, like, this isn't like this path isn't for everyone. 450 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Yeah. 451 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,760 And I think it's really great because there's a lot of people. 452 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 I know, I know my class, especially in my bachelor's. 453 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,760 But like, you know, last year, like, four of them are gone in the next year. 454 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760 And because the up out rates are crazy. 455 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:32,760 I think it's just that pressure that the teacher kind of put on you, you know, this is the path you must do. 456 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Exactly. 457 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:39,760 And like, obviously you do your GCSEs and then A levels is optional, but that's kind of the path you always followed. 458 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,760 And you kind of realised, no, they kind of realised, like, age I am. 459 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,760 It's like, I was to make the school look good. 460 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,760 They make them see, like, look how many kids we got into uni. 461 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760 And it's like, if I didn't want to go to uni. 462 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,760 And I think that's what's great now with all these apprenticeships. 463 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Apprenticeships, yeah. 464 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,760 And I would have loved to have an apprenticeship. 465 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:01,760 And I was younger. 466 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,760 They weren't really things and we were, even school as such. 467 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,760 There's like, there's the place. 468 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Company BPP has a sister company. 469 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,760 A lot of consulting. 470 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,760 I just didn't even drop on them there. 471 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,760 But they offer, they offer apprenticeships. 472 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,760 And it's amazing, like, you know, I'm like, really sure of those posts when they're offering. 473 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,760 Apprenticeships, but I just keep on thinking, like, I would have loved that opportunity. 474 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,760 I would have loved. 475 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,760 I would have loved it because at that age too, you know, you're getting paid. 476 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,760 You're getting paid. 477 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,760 You have a big girl job. 478 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,760 Like, yeah, you're getting paid one day a week in uni. 479 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,760 And your weekends are still free. 480 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,760 It's amazing. 481 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,760 I really would have taken that loan. 482 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,760 And I know what is it. 483 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,760 For many people, I remember many people from first year, maybe didn't even go to lectures. 484 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,760 Like, you know, I used to live with lots of people when I would come in. 485 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,760 Maybe like, like where I lived, I needed to get the train to Jordan's time. 486 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760 I would come in and they'd still be in the same position. 487 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Like, you know, I was a laugh them that morning. 488 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,760 I'm like, yeah, haven't even moved. 489 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,760 Okay. 490 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Like, yeah, that's great. 491 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760 I'm glad, I'm glad we agree on that. 492 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,760 Yeah, definitely. 493 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760 I'm particularly seeing your career. 494 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,760 And this is going to be an early question. 495 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,760 Yeah. 496 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Is there any particular guide that you love to look at, like the likes of health and safety guide or environmental guide or anything new you've come across? 497 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,760 And then into what you've done. 498 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:40,760 I'm just trying to think because I think through my like career path, it's very learned as you go. 499 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,760 Okay, right. 500 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,760 You could only learn so much in uni. 501 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:54,760 And then like, especially in my environmental engineer inside of it, the British standards was a really big thing. 502 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,760 When the standards are done. 503 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,760 You know, we always had to go back to them because it was more quality side. 504 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760 Like, there's a wide range of... 505 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,760 There's so much that you can look at. 506 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:11,760 And like, what is it? There's... I'm trying to think if uni give any helpful links or websites. 507 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,760 See if you type in environment into Google. 508 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Yeah. 509 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,760 Environment regs into Google. 510 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760 Something's bound to come up to life. 511 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Yeah. 512 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,760 One of my favourite standards for environmental. 513 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Yes. 514 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760 That's that favourite standards. 515 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,760 But it's the ISO 14001. 516 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,760 I knew you were going to change. 517 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Yeah. 518 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760 So I'm pretty sure. 519 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760 So we used to do the... 520 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Like, in my job was 14001, 9001 and the 45001. 521 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Yes. 522 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,760 And I actually did the 14001 audit and worst. 523 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,760 Yeah. 524 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,760 That was the course that I did. 525 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,760 So yeah. 526 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,760 14001. 527 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:58,760 But yeah, so anyone who wants to know more about environmental standards, look up that. 528 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,760 I also... 529 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,760 She has a beauty. 530 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,760 Oh god, I know. 531 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,760 That is really cute. 532 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,760 We'll get away. 533 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,760 We'll get away from that. 534 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,760 So now I usually end these upsets. 535 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,760 I like to do that if I like maybe a fun game, Rhined, or I ask you one or two questions to see if... 536 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Like, you know, this is what your general opinion is. 537 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:28,760 So this section, and I name the Rhined to the individual game. 538 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,760 So this section is called Material Girls. 539 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,760 I don't know. 540 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,760 I was like, I'll play Madonna and the Black Rhined. 541 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 And I'm like, oh, we can't play that. 542 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,760 We'll get sued. 543 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,760 Do you want to just do the burn version? 544 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760 But yeah, I'm just yabbering up some facts. 545 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,760 So you talked about your work with concrete. 546 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Yes. 547 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Can you tell me the melting point of concrete? 548 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:03,760 So I think it can hold up until it's at 1,000 or 1,200 degrees Celsius, and that's when it breaks down. 549 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760 Okay, yes. 550 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:14,760 I know probably before that it would probably deteriorate, but I can't imagine even 300 degrees concrete would be very bad. 551 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,760 Listen, you wrote the different concrete, so I'm inclined to trust you. 552 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:28,760 What I got from a trusted source known as Google was concrete doesn't have a melting point. 553 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:35,760 But to be honest, I think for 1,000 degrees like that is, that's a concern. 554 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,760 Yeah, that's great. 555 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Just so you know, guys, concrete, you can put it under really high temperatures. 556 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:49,760 I've never seen concrete melt in myself personally, but I would like to see that if that's an actual thing. 557 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Okay. 558 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Can you tell me the Latin word for concrete at all? 559 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Concrete. 560 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,760 You got me there. 561 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,760 I've been watching a lot of room recently, so it's actually a very easy one. 562 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,760 It's called concretus. 563 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,760 Okay. 564 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,760 So the more you know, guys, if you're on your pop quiz and they ask you for the Latin word, 565 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760 I say, I get pop quiz. 566 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,760 Concretus. 567 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,760 Okay, and that's the end of the material girls section. 568 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:34,760 I actually wants to ask, by your opinion, on Northern Ireland in particular, and what it's like in terms of energy and environmental. 569 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:42,760 So one of the things that happened in Northern Ireland in the past couple of years was Northern Ireland got its first energy strategy. 570 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:52,760 So it's called the Anaya Energy Strategy 2021 Action Plan, or for anyone who wants to look it up, it's on the Department of the Colonies website. 571 00:28:52,760 --> 00:29:05,760 And this is, it's a really big snap because it's set right, a clear path that we can take, and certain policies that like, you know, we can make that will help make Northern Ireland more sustainable. 572 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:22,760 But yes, one of the things that said, like this was the, the intergist all these different sectors, likes of energy efficiency, nitrogen, like looking up materials, resources, the list goes on. 573 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,760 Okay. 574 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,760 In your opinion. 575 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Okay. 576 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760 And I know I didn't really prepare this question for you. 577 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,760 So just whatever your honest opinion. 578 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:45,760 How do you think we are for environmental and energy jobs here, do you think there is like a skills gap that we need to empower people to get into the environmental energy, energy sector, in order to meet these targets set out in the strategy? 579 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:52,760 So I think at the minute, see anything environmental or energy wise. 580 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Yes, and I use the time. 581 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,760 It's very new. 582 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760 This is all very relevant at the minute. 583 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:06,760 And I think we're probably one of the best generations going into because it's like all sought after at the minute. 584 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:13,760 I think, and say like the construction industry where you could see that all coming into it as well. 585 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,760 Company I was in didn't have anything environmental. 586 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Like, before that any jobs like specific to that. 587 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,760 So I think, yeah, there is, there's the gap there. 588 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,760 And there's a gap there for people to, you know, take all these jobs and positions. 589 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,760 But I think as well, maybe there's not a lot of courses out for it. 590 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,760 So yeah, we had environmental engineering, but I think more could be brought around and I think more will be developed. 591 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,760 Yeah. 592 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:53,760 And I think that's what it's saying that like, so this energy strategy did come out and maybe the more peak of an interest will happen as well. 593 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760 Hopefully because it's great sector to get into. 594 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Yeah. 595 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,760 And you get to meet people like look at us, look at us. 596 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760 Friends, still friends, still best friends. 597 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,760 What is your seven? 598 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,760 You're Irish down the line. 599 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,760 What does that do? 600 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,760 We'll stop talking about that now. 601 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760 And yeah, I completely agree with you. 602 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,760 And I remember being out of consultation with the Department of Economy. 603 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,760 And it wasn't just me. 604 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:29,760 There's hundreds of other people like, and but it was one of those ones they want to want to get everyone's feedback and you know, you can join and ask questions. 605 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,760 They're introducing a new regulation and I immediately flagged it in my head. 606 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,760 And no one really knows about this. 607 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,760 Like they need to have training for this. 608 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:48,760 And if they don't have training, they're going to have like this new regulations going to come out and people aren't going to be able to meet it. 609 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Let's do a building and like with overhating and buildings. 610 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,760 And so I asked the job, like, you know, I asked the question. 611 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Is there like, is there a plan for training courses for this particular regulation to come out or like be announced in the future? 612 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760 But the response. 613 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760 Oh yeah, that's definitely something we'll think about. 614 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,760 Like, definitely like a really political response. 615 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760 Like, you know, yeah. 616 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,760 So I'm so like, I'm sure you get it as well. 617 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,760 I'm at the point where I'm kind of getting frustrated now. 618 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,760 Yeah. 619 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:35,760 And it's just like, there's so many different jobs or different sectors that you can go into. 620 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,760 And we just really need to focus on that. 621 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,760 So let's go. 622 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:48,760 And people really focused on either if it was engineering, it was mechanical or electrical engineering, the likes of civil and environmental. 623 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,760 I didn't even hear of environmental engineering when I was younger. 624 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,760 I didn't know it was a thing. 625 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,760 Yeah. 626 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,760 I didn't know the course I was going to do existed. 627 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,760 But it's, it's annoying because we need to like believe like we need to start looking at schools. 628 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,760 We like show them like wonder like the H we were questioned. 629 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,760 15, 16, sick here. 630 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,760 You can create a pathway around this. 631 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,760 Yeah. 632 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760 And it's a brilliant thing to do too. 633 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Sorry, I just jumped in there. 634 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,760 But I was just because I actually did that. 635 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,760 I went and did a talk in a school here in Northern Ireland. 636 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,760 And it was a, it was an old school and it was trying to get more garages into STEM. 637 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Yeah. 638 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,760 And then I took the round then in the lab is working, you know, took them around. 639 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,760 There was Corey where I worked and just show them things that I did. 640 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,760 And it was just, it was getting into their head, you know, that, you know, going to engineering. 641 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760 It's not all mechanical. 642 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,760 Yeah. 643 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,760 And then your mental engineering is a great way to go as well. 644 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,760 And it's, you know, it's so important. 645 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,760 And then you sort of like just make them aware at that age. 646 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,760 Like, I would have loved that if I was only, I think they were 14 or 15 choosing their A levels and stuff. 647 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,760 So it is, it's a great way to, but like make them aware when they're young. 648 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,760 Yeah. 649 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,760 And you know, they might get them thinking of it when they're older then. 650 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,760 Yeah. 651 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,760 That's a really great roundup. 652 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,760 Actually, you've done a job for me. 653 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,760 Can I just say you've been absolutely amazing to have on. 654 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,760 I have. 655 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,760 Thank you. 656 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:38,760 But just before you go, do you have any advice for future perspective on engineering, graduates, or if any secondary school children are listening to this, which why they are, but like, you know, for choosing their career. 657 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:47,760 Yeah. So I think what I just said, everyone liked it as if I'm talking to my sister when she was going into uni is don't panic. 658 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,760 If you don't know what you're going into yet, just do something that you're interested in. 659 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,760 And I was like, if it's like, if you like it, you like it. 660 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,760 If you don't, degree is great to have and you can go into what you want to be in. 661 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,760 And I obviously want to push for people to go into environmental side of things. 662 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,760 And I do just want to say that, like, now is the time to use your degree. 663 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,760 People sell the climate crisis as it's too late to help, you know, the damage is done. 664 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,760 But it's not like it's really, really not an our world needs you right now to help save it. 665 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,760 That's basically what I want to tell everybody. 666 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,760 So it's never too late, but don't start tomorrow. 667 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,760 Start today. 668 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,760 Well, that's I'm chills. Okay. 669 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,760 It's really important. 670 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,760 Thank you so much. 671 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,760 You've been great to have on the show and I'll definitely have you back. 672 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,760 Brilliant. 673 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,760 Thank you so much for everything. 674 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,760 So it's like, 675 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,760 Before I go, I'll give a bit of advice. 676 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,760 So just because we're talking about concrete, be like, don't let your future get too dense. 677 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,760 Just so you know, guys, concrete can be measured in densities. 678 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,760 Okay. 679 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,760 That's where the joke comes from. 680 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,760 Thanks for listening to carbon climates. 681 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,760 If you've also an Instagram, the carbon undisturbed climates, you can get to date with all our latest episodes and news of the podcast. 682 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:32,760 And okay, thanks for listening.