Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates.
Thank you both for being with us today.
We also want to point out what's getting hot, besides from our planet.
I'm your host, Anya, and I'm joined by my Carbon Climate and co-host,
Theron, who I will be introducing shortly before we get into today's topic.
Theron, how's your week been? Can you tell us a bit about yourself?
We've seen quite exciting actually.
Today I was at Sikki-T, so I got to see their factory, which is really nice,
and I've also been at Translink.
I was helping, well, I'm not doing the Carbon Literacy training yet,
but I was washing my colleague doing it, because I'm going to be doing some of them as well.
So it's all new and exciting in my job life.
Oh, very good. And Kutige Svig, what exactly is your job title?
Yeah, so I'm an environmental adviser.
I work for a business community, Northern Ireland.
And basically what I do is the Northern Ireland Benchmarking Survey.
Benchmarking.
So it's the environmental benchmarking survey.
And we basically, it's like a free survey, and any business can do it.
And it's very good because it's anything like environmental,
so it looks at all different types of things, like if you're calculating your carbon,
your greenhouse gases, if you're engaging your customers,
engaging your suppliers, engaging your employees.
Right.
And we also look at like nature and biodiversity, and if you're doing anything in that,
then at the end you would get like a score, which you'd be awarded,
because from green up until platinum, and then you can just, every year,
it's challenging, and you're able to like go up in the grades.
And hopefully get platinum funding.
Oh, nice.
This is the goal for most people anyway.
Oh, that's class.
So it is really good.
Yeah, that's okay.
And well, thank you for explaining that Catherine.
Kate, tell us, how long have you been in this sector, in the environmental sector?
So my current job is an adviser only three months.
Okay, yeah.
But before that, I had done a KTP and also I was an environmental and quality engineer.
Okay.
So I think in total now I'd be about five years in the sector.
Oh my goodness.
And it's amazing if you're like, we're the same age, we're only 18, aren't we?
Yeah, 19 next week.
I'm excited.
I wish.
We actually just a bit of background for everyone, but I know Catherine, Queen's University,
Belfast, and we actually did a master's in environmental engineering together.
So this is in promo for the degree that was supposed to kind of be like we get some of
this degree after.
Yeah, it looks like you could tell Queen's.
Yeah, this is us five years on.
We're both bride and in our environmental and energy jobs.
So yeah.
And it's fun because we both went down very different parts.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I was for a long time, I was in the concrete side of everything and you're obviously
the energy side.
But we always, even when we meet up, we're a bit of geek.
Yes, exactly.
We talk a lot about you, even when we're at the last line.
Oh my God.
Well, you actually mentioned there a term, can we TP?
Yeah.
Can you take us through exactly what that is?
Like or?
Yeah.
So actually when I seen it, it was advertised after our master's.
I seen it on my email.
I had no idea what it was either.
But basically it's a knowledge transfer partnership.
And so what it is is it takes a graduate, it takes a uni and it takes a company.
And then you work on a project for, you know, a number of months or years.
Mine's was three years, but I think you get one year and two years as well.
Oh yeah.
And so you work on this project and then it's great because you get a budget out of it as
well.
So it's your own developmental budget and you can, there's another budget then that
you can spend on travel and then another budget that you can spend on your actual project.
So say you need anything.
I worked in the lab a lot and needed a lot of things.
Okay, yeah.
So it is really good.
So I got to do a lot of things.
I got to go to Morocco actually through my KGB.
I was at a, it was like a concrete conference, sustainability and all things concrete.
It was, it was a great opportunity.
So you got to meet everyone from around the world.
Right okay.
And they all had, you know, the same like interests as you.
Of course.
But no, it was, it's very good.
I also got to present a couple of things at it.
Right.
So my memory, I'm like a granny.
So it's all those, um, acronyms.
I can't remember the most.
So what I presented at the, hold on, that fight it here.
Yes, I see BBM.
I see.
So it's the International Conference on Bio-Based Building Materials.
So that's in life.
You can see why it is short in it.
And so I presented it back and then I actually published a paper from it as well.
Wow.
So it was a really, really good thing to be able to do.
So God, I got to do that.
And then I also presented at the Northern Ireland Manufacturing and Supply Change Conference
in Expo 2022.
Wow.
So that was more, it was a more casual one.
It was just, you know, four, four stages and you could float in and out.
But it was just, it was really good when I got you, you know, with you out there and
get you talking to everyone and you get to know everyone and the industry then and, you
know, Kate, you have a definitely for graduates recommend.
Yeah.
If you see the opportunity and you're, you like the project, definitely.
That's, that's actually amazing to hear.
Yeah.
Like one of the points I've been trying to get across with this podcast is, well, so our
degree, our environmental engineering degree, I've heard so much in terms of the, you know,
environmental and energy sector, like when I was doing that degree, I didn't know the
role I'm in now existed.
And so yeah, and here we are.
And the fact that like, you know, the KTP, like you're able to do it on, is it, is it
a tough process?
Like, you know, you were competing for that role or was there other people with that or
for the KTP?
Yeah.
So it was like an application you went for the interview and I think it's, you know,
the way they like narrow it down.
Yeah.
There was between me and maybe one or two other people.
Right.
Okay.
And then thankfully I got it.
But yeah, so it's just like, as if you're applying for a job.
Yeah.
But then you have supervisors in the company, and you have supervisors in uni.
So you're not letting go of that uni aspect just yet.
And you still feel a bit like a student, even though you're actually staff.
You're definitely not a student.
It's me pretending I'm 18 again.
Oh, well, that's really great to hear.
And this is at Queens.
So you got to spend a lot of time at Queens.
University of Belfast.
Yeah.
I know there's different Queens universities.
And what was your favourite aspect about Queens?
University of Belfast, like, did you enjoy the lawn lectures or the, when you went to
do, um, testing in the cold or the pints in the students?
Yeah.
Straight there.
No, see, one of my favourite things by Queens was actually, um, there's a lot of concrete
land, ice tents, whoo, much of time going there.
And, um, see all the technicians, like they're so helpful and just everyone's like, just
there and ready to help.
And if you wanted to batter all, you could batter all of us as well.
So it was, it's just a really nice environment down there.
That's awesome.
You should have to Queens.
Yeah.
Again, they're not paying us or anything.
No, no, no, no, no, this is me just having a general opinion.
Oh, that's, yeah, that's really great to hear.
Um, yeah, I remember when we finished the degree or like during, around the time when we were
rounding up the degree, um, again, I didn't know, like, I didn't, I didn't feel like I
knew enough of labs that existed or maybe it was like too overwhelming.
Like, I'm like, there are a lot of people in our class that get to tell they were getting
into the, you know, the environmental impact assessments, um, role, which is a great, a
really great role.
But I'm like, is this the only role that goes on?
And I feel like really prime examples of like, no, it's not like, you know, you know, I
agree because I think a lot of people's where I went on the, you know, the remediation sort
of side of it.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, now it's like, I just don't think that's what I like to do.
But I think it's really hard if you don't know what to do.
It's great for the likes of us talking on this podcast, get people ideas.
Yeah.
Because, you know, you, you've write and, uh, what's that job?
Uh, like LinkedIn or?
Yeah, not LinkedIn.
Or indeed.
Indeed.
Uh, you type in environmental jobs and the same thing comes up.
Yeah.
So I think it's really good.
Like LinkedIn is great though as well.
It is.
You know, just to be able to see what everyone does because that's how I actually see my
new role.
Yeah.
Um, the business community, they put it up on LinkedIn.
So I was like, I just came across him and was like, my God, that's ideal.
That's exactly what path I want to go down.
Yeah.
I was six years off of graduating.
So, or I don't know how to say it anyway.
So it just shows you that you don't know.
Like I got to 28 and still didn't know what I wanted to do.
That's it.
Oh, and look at us now.
Look at you now.
Thrive in.
So they thrive in.
Well, good.
Yeah.
I think that's really good to hear about your role and just like to circle back in a point
we were talking about, see at school, when you're at secondary school, um, before you
went to uni, did you ever like envisage yourself in this role in particular, like in the engineering
or environmental route?
I don't know.
I absolutely not.
Um, I think in school, I was like rather shy.
Whenever in a million years thought I'd be getting up and, you know, like talking to
people or now it'll be very soon like teaching them.
And I just never thought I would be anything like that.
I did always like the environment.
Yeah.
Um, I went to environmental club when I was eight years old.
There's an environmental club.
My principal started it and that's how I learned how to spell environments because we had to
go home and learn.
Okay.
Yeah.
And we just planted some trees around the school and, you know, things like that.
And I think that's where it all like sparked.
I mean, it's my environmental club at eight years old.
That's class.
And then when I was like growing up then when I was younger, I always wanted to design buildings
and then like, um, that kind of went into where I did civil engineering.
That was my first degree.
Then when I was in civil engineering, we always loved the sustainable or the sustainability
modules, especially the likes of renewable energy.
There's something about renewable energy.
Yeah.
And so that's what brought me then to environmental engineering.
Okay.
Right.
And then the same when I was in uni, both times, my, um, my projects, you know, my dissertations
always seemed to be on concrete.
And I don't know why I was just attracted to that as well.
So went into concrete, but it was, um, the likes of like cement replacements.
And as well, like recycled aggregates, you know, trying to make it more sustainable.
So everything kind of just led on a path, which me at 15 years old, that's with a career
teacher, but never have thought.
Never thought I'd be looking at concrete and the environment.
So cool.
Like, it's even, it's one of those terms like, see no one but I know no I by concrete.
I'm like, this is a, that's a whole industry and it sounds like that's a whole sector.
Like many jobs that can stem from that.
Um, see, like, see me when I was like 14, 15, like yourself and it's concrete.
Like, like, what is it?
Yeah.
I was the same.
It was like bricks and stones.
This is probably a good time to tell you the name of this episode.
I forgot to, I usually, usually for these podcasts, I forget to introduce like the title
of the episode.
I'm more just introduced the person and that's it.
But I've called this one or it'll appear on Spotify, Apple podcasts.
So the streaming services were on or less than services were on.
The evidence is concrete.
What evidence?
Well, that's just it.
But that's really good to hear and great to hear about your time at Queens.
And you did your bachelor's in Scotland at Paisley, didn't you?
Yes, I got a few WS Paisley.
Amazing.
I was four years and I did one semester away as a Rasmus as well.
Right, okay.
So I was over in France and it was a great opportunity.
It was all French and I didn't know French.
Oh yeah?
So it was a challenge in itself.
But I find when I came home, then when I was back in like English lessons, some words
I had learned in French and I was like, what was that?
But no, it was great.
I was a civil engineer and over in Paisley.
Okay, very good.
Well, my degree I actually did.
I actually did at Ulster University.
Jordan's time.
And then I came home.
That's Jordan's time.
It doesn't exist anymore, but it's fine.
I don't know if it doesn't exist.
I should probably check in on Real Guinea, but my degree I did clean technology.
It doesn't exist anymore.
They amalgamated it with building services.
So.
Well, it's very interesting.
Well, it's now called architectural technology.
And I think it's either, I think it's still a bachelor's of engineering or I'm going to
change it to bachelor's of science.
Yeah, I should check in with the old guy.
I can see how they're doing.
Have you been to the Nailster University campus in Valvast?
No, not at all.
Where does it look amazing?
It is absolutely classed.
Yeah.
I mean, I really, yeah, I was there, I was there maybe a couple months ago, given a talk
to some of the students regarding accreditation, like a body.
I'm on accreditation body.
I'm on and one of the security of it, like, you know, it's great top notch, but you need
passes to get everywhere, everywhere, like a shooting card and Queens.
Like I'm here.
That's great for security and everything.
Yeah.
I remember like just Jordan's Town campus.
You could just walk by it.
I'm like, you know, the only place you needed security was the library on Queens, Queens
System, the only place you need security.
It's just a library.
Library.
And then there's all, I suppose it is a top notch university and yeah, they do need security.
Okay.
And it's just rambling at the minute.
Just please ignore me.
Okay.
So I do get you though.
It's like more freedom.
Yeah.
More freedom.
Like, let the house beings come back and like, you know, experience their youth.
Experience their youth.
Okay.
But that's really great.
So I just wanted to talk a bit more about you and your roles.
So you set up KTP and the places you got to travel and you went to Morocco.
Yes.
So last class, how long were you in Morocco for?
Oh, holy fuck.
I think in total it was 12 days.
12 days?
Wow.
Because it was really unfortunate for me because I wasn't able to use any of my budget and
go anywhere because I got my KTP over COVID.
Okay.
I'll have a second to speak.
The usual story.
Oh yeah.
So you obviously couldn't travel or anything.
So at the very end, the Morocco trip came up and I went over with my Queen supervisors.
Yeah.
And our last bit of KTP to do together.
Okay.
So KTP is like Morocco.
So at the end of the conference over there.
Yeah.
And of course, got to see all the culture as well at the same time.
That's amazing.
So KTP, it's like, what's your education and like learning and fun and job.
Travel and like, you know, nice to go.
I reckon if it wasn't over COVID, you would go maybe overseas to like the likes of England
or, you know, there was an opportunity to go to Spain, but it was COVID as well.
So if there's conferences in different countries, you can actually go because you would never
pay for it for yourself.
You couldn't afford it.
But with this budget that you have to use or just disappears.
So why not go to places that you never, you know, you'll never get to go to.
So that's really great.
I really like it here.
And I think that's the thing with KTP is I was very focused on you and your development
as well.
Which I thought was great because I got lots of things out of it, but I did, you know,
a modern course out of it and things like that as well.
So it's just if you can justify that you need it in your path of working life, then they're
very open to letting you do it.
It was great.
It honestly was.
It's close to here.
So, like, thanks so much for telling us about your roles.
But you said the likes of there's like stuff in your budget or like what type of training
have you done so far to get to the roles?
So I just did my undergrad.
Yeah.
And then my postgrad as well, environmental engineering.
I've done a whole rigmarole of training and really random stuff like forklift licence.
You have forklift licence?
Extraklift licence.
I've done a pallet truck licence.
So it's like we random flights.
So sometimes I've driven or not anymore.
Yeah, yeah.
I could previously.
What else?
So I actually, through my KTP thought, my need wash, health and safety.
And the course side.
What does need wash done for?
Apologies.
Excellent.
So it's a national examination board and occupational safety and health.
It's what it stands for.
Brilliant.
As I told you.
It's like long titles.
I think that's the qualification.
That's the thing I noticed, see when applying for jobs after uni.
That's the qualification, see all the environmental roles.
Uh-huh.
So if you're not specified, like, oh, have your need wash or need wash is preferred.
It's a really great qualification.
Yeah, the need wash is great as well.
See that health and safety one that I did.
That can get you into health and safety adviser roles.
If someone didn't go to uni or have just GCSEs, that's a really sought after one.
But everyone says, I always say this to my sister when she was thinking of her A levels
and stuff and go to uni.
You don't have to go to uni.
Yeah.
I loved it and personally it's the path that I wanted to do.
But now you've got the likes of these need wash courses and things like that.
So definitely it's a good one to look into as well.
I've actually noticed that you said that.
Uh-huh.
You don't need to go to uni.
I know we were just prison queens.
Yeah.
You just go.
And however, I always remember from my childhood, like, 15, 16, secondary school.
Yeah, at that age, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
And that was the age where they tell you to pick and like, OK, decide what you want to
do for the rest of your life.
And you're like, what is this feeling?
Like, oh, it's anxiety.
I'll always remember a careers, like a panel of careers people coming in.
I think there are people from different industries or from the careers advice.
And each of them give advice being like, oh yes, English means A levels, you're good at.
Or like, you know, choose a course in uni you're going to like.
And then there was this one woman.
And she said, honestly, do a part time degree and like, like, you know, find a job.
Somewhere like you don't need to go to uni.
Like, you know, and do this, like, this isn't like this path isn't for everyone.
Yeah.
And I think it's really great because there's a lot of people.
I know, I know my class, especially in my bachelor's.
But like, you know, last year, like, four of them are gone in the next year.
And because the up out rates are crazy.
I think it's just that pressure that the teacher kind of put on you, you know, this is the path you must do.
Exactly.
And like, obviously you do your GCSEs and then A levels is optional, but that's kind of the path you always followed.
And you kind of realised, no, they kind of realised, like, age I am.
It's like, I was to make the school look good.
They make them see, like, look how many kids we got into uni.
And it's like, if I didn't want to go to uni.
And I think that's what's great now with all these apprenticeships.
Apprenticeships, yeah.
And I would have loved to have an apprenticeship.
And I was younger.
They weren't really things and we were, even school as such.
There's like, there's the place.
Company BPP has a sister company.
A lot of consulting.
I just didn't even drop on them there.
But they offer, they offer apprenticeships.
And it's amazing, like, you know, I'm like, really sure of those posts when they're offering.
Apprenticeships, but I just keep on thinking, like, I would have loved that opportunity.
I would have loved.
I would have loved it because at that age too, you know, you're getting paid.
You're getting paid.
You have a big girl job.
Like, yeah, you're getting paid one day a week in uni.
And your weekends are still free.
It's amazing.
I really would have taken that loan.
And I know what is it.
For many people, I remember many people from first year, maybe didn't even go to lectures.
Like, you know, I used to live with lots of people when I would come in.
Maybe like, like where I lived, I needed to get the train to Jordan's time.
I would come in and they'd still be in the same position.
Like, you know, I was a laugh them that morning.
I'm like, yeah, haven't even moved.
Okay.
Like, yeah, that's great.
I'm glad, I'm glad we agree on that.
Yeah, definitely.
I'm particularly seeing your career.
And this is going to be an early question.
Yeah.
Is there any particular guide that you love to look at, like the likes of health and safety guide or environmental guide or anything new you've come across?
And then into what you've done.
I'm just trying to think because I think through my like career path, it's very learned as you go.
Okay, right.
You could only learn so much in uni.
And then like, especially in my environmental engineer inside of it, the British standards was a really big thing.
When the standards are done.
You know, we always had to go back to them because it was more quality side.
Like, there's a wide range of...
There's so much that you can look at.
And like, what is it? There's... I'm trying to think if uni give any helpful links or websites.
See if you type in environment into Google.
Yeah.
Environment regs into Google.
Something's bound to come up to life.
Yeah.
One of my favourite standards for environmental.
Yes.
That's that favourite standards.
But it's the ISO 14001.
I knew you were going to change.
Yeah.
So I'm pretty sure.
So we used to do the...
Like, in my job was 14001, 9001 and the 45001.
Yes.
And I actually did the 14001 audit and worst.
Yeah.
That was the course that I did.
So yeah.
14001.
But yeah, so anyone who wants to know more about environmental standards, look up that.
I also...
She has a beauty.
Oh god, I know.
That is really cute.
We'll get away.
We'll get away from that.
So now I usually end these upsets.
I like to do that if I like maybe a fun game, Rhined, or I ask you one or two questions to see if...
Like, you know, this is what your general opinion is.
So this section, and I name the Rhined to the individual game.
So this section is called Material Girls.
I don't know.
I was like, I'll play Madonna and the Black Rhined.
And I'm like, oh, we can't play that.
We'll get sued.
Do you want to just do the burn version?
But yeah, I'm just yabbering up some facts.
So you talked about your work with concrete.
Yes.
Can you tell me the melting point of concrete?
So I think it can hold up until it's at 1,000 or 1,200 degrees Celsius, and that's when it breaks down.
Okay, yes.
I know probably before that it would probably deteriorate, but I can't imagine even 300 degrees concrete would be very bad.
Listen, you wrote the different concrete, so I'm inclined to trust you.
What I got from a trusted source known as Google was concrete doesn't have a melting point.
But to be honest, I think for 1,000 degrees like that is, that's a concern.
Yeah, that's great.
Just so you know, guys, concrete, you can put it under really high temperatures.
I've never seen concrete melt in myself personally, but I would like to see that if that's an actual thing.
Okay.
Can you tell me the Latin word for concrete at all?
Concrete.
You got me there.
I've been watching a lot of room recently, so it's actually a very easy one.
It's called concretus.
Okay.
So the more you know, guys, if you're on your pop quiz and they ask you for the Latin word,
I say, I get pop quiz.
Concretus.
Okay, and that's the end of the material girls section.
I actually wants to ask, by your opinion, on Northern Ireland in particular, and what it's like in terms of energy and environmental.
So one of the things that happened in Northern Ireland in the past couple of years was Northern Ireland got its first energy strategy.
So it's called the Anaya Energy Strategy 2021 Action Plan, or for anyone who wants to look it up, it's on the Department of the Colonies website.
And this is, it's a really big snap because it's set right, a clear path that we can take, and certain policies that like, you know, we can make that will help make Northern Ireland more sustainable.
But yes, one of the things that said, like this was the, the intergist all these different sectors, likes of energy efficiency, nitrogen, like looking up materials, resources, the list goes on.
Okay.
In your opinion.
Okay.
And I know I didn't really prepare this question for you.
So just whatever your honest opinion.
How do you think we are for environmental and energy jobs here, do you think there is like a skills gap that we need to empower people to get into the environmental energy, energy sector, in order to meet these targets set out in the strategy?
So I think at the minute, see anything environmental or energy wise.
Yes, and I use the time.
It's very new.
This is all very relevant at the minute.
And I think we're probably one of the best generations going into because it's like all sought after at the minute.
I think, and say like the construction industry where you could see that all coming into it as well.
Company I was in didn't have anything environmental.
Like, before that any jobs like specific to that.
So I think, yeah, there is, there's the gap there.
And there's a gap there for people to, you know, take all these jobs and positions.
But I think as well, maybe there's not a lot of courses out for it.
So yeah, we had environmental engineering, but I think more could be brought around and I think more will be developed.
Yeah.
And I think that's what it's saying that like, so this energy strategy did come out and maybe the more peak of an interest will happen as well.
Hopefully because it's great sector to get into.
Yeah.
And you get to meet people like look at us, look at us.
Friends, still friends, still best friends.
What is your seven?
You're Irish down the line.
What does that do?
We'll stop talking about that now.
And yeah, I completely agree with you.
And I remember being out of consultation with the Department of Economy.
And it wasn't just me.
There's hundreds of other people like, and but it was one of those ones they want to want to get everyone's feedback and you know, you can join and ask questions.
They're introducing a new regulation and I immediately flagged it in my head.
And no one really knows about this.
Like they need to have training for this.
And if they don't have training, they're going to have like this new regulations going to come out and people aren't going to be able to meet it.
Let's do a building and like with overhating and buildings.
And so I asked the job, like, you know, I asked the question.
Is there like, is there a plan for training courses for this particular regulation to come out or like be announced in the future?
But the response.
Oh yeah, that's definitely something we'll think about.
Like, definitely like a really political response.
Like, you know, yeah.
So I'm so like, I'm sure you get it as well.
I'm at the point where I'm kind of getting frustrated now.
Yeah.
And it's just like, there's so many different jobs or different sectors that you can go into.
And we just really need to focus on that.
So let's go.
And people really focused on either if it was engineering, it was mechanical or electrical engineering, the likes of civil and environmental.
I didn't even hear of environmental engineering when I was younger.
I didn't know it was a thing.
Yeah.
I didn't know the course I was going to do existed.
But it's, it's annoying because we need to like believe like we need to start looking at schools.
We like show them like wonder like the H we were questioned.
15, 16, sick here.
You can create a pathway around this.
Yeah.
And it's a brilliant thing to do too.
Sorry, I just jumped in there.
But I was just because I actually did that.
I went and did a talk in a school here in Northern Ireland.
And it was a, it was an old school and it was trying to get more garages into STEM.
Yeah.
And then I took the round then in the lab is working, you know, took them around.
There was Corey where I worked and just show them things that I did.
And it was just, it was getting into their head, you know, that, you know, going to engineering.
It's not all mechanical.
Yeah.
And then your mental engineering is a great way to go as well.
And it's, you know, it's so important.
And then you sort of like just make them aware at that age.
Like, I would have loved that if I was only, I think they were 14 or 15 choosing their A levels and stuff.
So it is, it's a great way to, but like make them aware when they're young.
Yeah.
And you know, they might get them thinking of it when they're older then.
Yeah.
That's a really great roundup.
Actually, you've done a job for me.
Can I just say you've been absolutely amazing to have on.
I have.
Thank you.
But just before you go, do you have any advice for future perspective on engineering, graduates, or if any secondary school children are listening to this, which why they are, but like, you know, for choosing their career.
Yeah. So I think what I just said, everyone liked it as if I'm talking to my sister when she was going into uni is don't panic.
If you don't know what you're going into yet, just do something that you're interested in.
And I was like, if it's like, if you like it, you like it.
If you don't, degree is great to have and you can go into what you want to be in.
And I obviously want to push for people to go into environmental side of things.
And I do just want to say that, like, now is the time to use your degree.
People sell the climate crisis as it's too late to help, you know, the damage is done.
But it's not like it's really, really not an our world needs you right now to help save it.
That's basically what I want to tell everybody.
So it's never too late, but don't start tomorrow.
Start today.
Well, that's I'm chills. Okay.
It's really important.
Thank you so much.
You've been great to have on the show and I'll definitely have you back.
Brilliant.
Thank you so much for everything.
So it's like,
Before I go, I'll give a bit of advice.
So just because we're talking about concrete, be like, don't let your future get too dense.
Just so you know, guys, concrete can be measured in densities.
Okay.
That's where the joke comes from.
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