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Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated

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to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to talk about

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what's getting hot, aside from our planet. I'm your host, Enya, and today I'm joined

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with my Carbon Climate co-host, Kenya. Hi, Enya, how are you doing?

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Hi, I'm doing good. Thanks for asking. How are you doing?

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I'm doing good. I always get thrown off on people because I create the podcast to ask

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how people are doing, like, like climate. Whenever people ask me, I'm like, we get this.

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Brilliant. Well, how is your week been? So my week was very productive. A lot of

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work in office as well, a lot of work on weekends as well, because I work as I take my own projects,

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so I have to work on them on weekends, I only get time then. So yeah, it was very productive

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and working just a week. Yeah, that's it. Very good. And we knew each other because

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you're employed with a sister company of BPP Energy called Cobalt Consulting.

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So can you describe what's your job title there? So yeah, so my job title is BIM Engineer,

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and it's mostly related to creating models, managing all the mechanical, electrical,

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and all the pipes and everything, and designing the layouts and coordinating this with architect

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and other consultants. So this is what my responsibilities are. Yeah, that's it.

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Yeah, nice. Nice. Well, how long have you been in the sector, the construction or BIM sector?

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Yeah, so I have been working like for more than four years now in the sector with BIM,

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because when I was in my uni in my bachelor's doing my architecture,

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I have been taking my own projects then as well. So it's been like kind of four plus years working

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in construction and architecture industry. But honestly, in BIM, I was introduced like three

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years ago. Right. Yeah, it was my like first job, initial job back in India. And it was one company,

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Galactic Group, where I worked there as a BIM architect. And it was kind of a new, new company,

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and it was a startup company. So I really had a lot of responsibilities. So I really learned a

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lot from that. Okay, brilliant. Very interesting. And see, you said you knew about BIM in your

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bachelor's. See, when you were at school, I'm not too sure what the Indian equivalent is for

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secondary school here or high school. But when you're like at that age, maybe 16, 17,

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did you ever envisage yourself in the sector? No, actually, when I was doing my bachelor's in

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architecture, I really didn't expect that I would learn, get into BIM industry, because I always

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thought about myself as like creative person, and I will be designing and architecture sector.

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But there was always this myth going on that BIM is only about modeling, you know, just creating

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digital models of what building is, and you will lose all the creativity. But when I was introduced

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to the BIM concept, it is nothing like that. It's so much more like, no one could ever imagine,

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you know, like I have learned a lot. Then BIM was introduced to me from my like past senior

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company COO, he was my mentor, like Aakraj, and he introduced me to the concept of BIM.

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And that time I decided like I have to pursue master's in that. And that's why I'm here now.

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So yeah, wow, really. And you're so you're a tech person, you know what you want? And you're like,

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yeah, I'm gonna go for it. Like, yeah, like, this is such a good concept, you know, like, because

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in India, all the construction methods are traditional. But here you have the mandate and

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it's so good. It's so sustainable, you save a lot of cost, you save time and so many benefits.

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Oh, okay. That's that's really fast here. Okay, well, as you could probably guess by Tanya's

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introduction and explanation of her job role, today's episode will be focused on BIM,

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which stands for building information modeling. So originally had an episode and episode three,

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few listeners will know this and again, when we discuss BIM and through and the process of

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creating a model, the BIM building information modeling, it's where we engineers like us

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create a 3D model of the building that is going to be developed and fill it with as much information

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as we possibly can. So this includes Azure, San Tanya, the pipes, the all the HVAC equipment,

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the lights, and then also put details in like the types of walls, types of windows, the roof,

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the fabric of the building. And this helps us get a realistic view of what the building's going to

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look like and is it functional? Yeah. And like, otherwise, like any changes like, you know,

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they can be easily made. Yeah. But yeah, that's BIM. Like, I've been in the sector for, I always

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start, like I always say in these episodes, I've been in the sector and I'm pretty sure each episode

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it changes how many years I've been in the sector. So I've been in the sector, I'd say eight,

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eight, nine years. And the last couple of years I've really seen BIM like take off with BIM news.

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Yeah. With mechanical and electrical designs and they're really helpful. And it's also our job as

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engineers, we would talk to the architect and the architects, most of them use BIM. Yeah. Or like

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some type of BIM. And when we're using the same software, it's a lot easier to communicate and

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help them make any changes. But excellent. So the type of BIM we are going to be talking about today

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is it's a BIM package called Revit, which is owned by Autodesk. Now, anyone who's doing engineering

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in uni or anyone who actually took technology and design, GCSE or Key Stage 3, that is a type of,

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that is a type of BIM software. You've probably come across it, SolidWorks, Autodesk, AutoCAD,

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Solid Edge for any of the Ulster University users out there. But yeah, there's BIM everywhere. But

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yes, we're going to be talking about Revit. So Tanya, you're a BIM engineer here. Yeah. But then

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you also have a business where you are able to freelance as a BIM modeler. Yeah. So that is the

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great opportunity, you know, like I think in BIM industry, people are still lacking skills.

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And you can, and those who have skills can get like so many projects, so many opportunities,

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in BIM and those who don't like they really should develop their skills in softwares, you know. And

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so yeah, we are working as a freelancer, me and my partner, we have this, we soon be opening our

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venture called.BIM. And we have now currently worked for like 25 plus projects. And when it's

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going very good, like this consultancy, I've worked with one of the consultancies, which is the

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branches in London, and one again in New York. So it was a massive hospital project, which I worked

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on. And they were, they were open to give as much money you want, you know, then there's no,

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there's no limiting in money in the sector. And just because you have skills, and you can just

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showcase that and you can just give your services. So it's the best thing you can do in this industry,

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you know. That is amazing. And it's great to see the likes of contractors like they're really

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realizing the importance of BIM. Yeah. And could it be fun fact for you? Yeah, not so fun fact.

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Actually, I'm going to phrase it like a question. Okay, I'm going to be, I'm going to be careful

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with how you phrase this, because all the questions I prepare, I somehow mess them up. Okay.

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But I did a search on LinkedIn for Revit or BIM engineers. Okay. Do you know how many jobs

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there are right there advertised at the minute in the UK? As far as I know, like Ireland is a hub

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of BIM, you know, there's huge demand in Ireland. I would say like there must be like,

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are you talking about just Northern Ireland or? Whole UK in general. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure

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that I'm not too sure what my filters were said. Okay, for the whole UK, I would say like,

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there must be like near about 200 jobs. Well, did you know 7,000 came out? 7,000? So I think

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I should have really looked into detail the results. But when you type in BIM or Revit

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into LinkedIn, there's 7,000 opportunities that go up. That is, it's so huge. Now I'm sure like

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there's some that are really focused and some that aren't as focused. But still it's a huge market,

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right? Huge, huge market. It's got, you've got huge job security and job keep abilities for that.

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So anyone who is maybe likes a bit of software, likes a bit of software like Revit or any other

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other software, just know there's plenty of job opportunities. Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, brilliant. So could you tell us what the exact process you go through when you're working, say,

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with Revit and you want to create a project? Yeah. So like first you've got to have a project.

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And then second thing you do is like start creating Revit models. But first you should

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know the scope from the stakeholder. Getting the scope is very necessary because of the scope.

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Getting the scope is very necessary because you won't be overdoing it and you won't be underdoing

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it because you'll get the right amount of face scale and right amount of exactly what is needed

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basically. Okay. So yeah, understanding scope is very important from the stakeholder. You should

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know like what plans is needed, what elevations or what are they expecting, what 3D or do they need

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any further sustainable analysis or scheduling or costing anything. And then first, if you have a

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scope, if you have correct project details, correct project specification, then you just start

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modeling it. And then but communication is the key. Like BIM project requires high collaboration,

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high collaboration. Because right now we are working on this one project and our client is

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in USA. And over the week, he goes to site, he works on the project on site. And on weekends,

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we need to have meetings with him. On Sundays, we just discuss, we just have like eight to nine

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hours of straight meeting. And then we discuss all the drawings and all the plans and how the

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design will look. So this 3D visualization helps a lot like what it is going to be on site. So

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creating a digital model beforehand construction, it really solves a lot of time, it will solve

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errors. And yeah, so that's so communication is the key, basically creating any Revit project.

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And just creating Revit project is you should know the basic skills, you should know how do

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you use the software, how to run it. And that's how you create a model then that's it.

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Excellent. I think I love like, I love like doing this and like interviewing people every

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day. And I love seeing them so passionate about the job. And that really came across there when

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you were speaking about it. So that's really great. So guys, everyone can be as passionate

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about BIM as Tanya is, okay? Join me. But yeah, exactly. So that's interesting. Just

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another retip, but how long like would a project last for you? Or is it really dependent on the

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length of the construction? Yeah, it totally depends on length of construction. So I'll just

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give you an example. So I was working on this hospital project and it was, it was among like

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it was on five acres of land, and it was just the scope was FAN to BIM. So they just got me

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a laser scan, fine cloud scan, which I can upload it on Revit. And then from that scan,

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I'll create a model. I can even make a topography from it, like site work and everything.

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You can add all the details like laser scan is like the best tool you can use for restoration.

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Right. Because the hospital was actually built on site and they just wanted to do the further

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renovations on it. So they just send me a scan of it. And then I just made a 3D model of it. So it

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just took like, what like just two weeks for me to create that model for five acres land.

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But the one project I'm talking about, it is a residential project, which is in USA and the

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client itself goes to site and build his own house. And it's so it's been here, we are working on this

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project, because we are detailing all the framing structure, foundations, interior, and all the

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facade materials, landscape and everything, all the lighting. So this, so it totally depends on

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scope actually, not even scale, because you can get the higher scale project done in a week, but

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even lower scale project will take a year because you have high scope in that you need to create

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documentation drawings, you need to create walkthroughs, 3D and presentations, whatever

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is needed. So it all depends on what scope is expected from you. Okay, right. Okay, so

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project specific. Okay, really. That's really good to know. And so much detail like it was in there.

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That's what happened. That's the end. Well, you're talking about you have your own consultancy,

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or like you start your own consultancy, site business to your BIM engineer job,

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to call well, so you get a lot of experience with BIM. Would you recommend, is there any sort of

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training out there? Like for anyone who wants to get started? And yeah, so for training, like there

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are so many videos on YouTube, you can just learn Revit from that because I did the same in my,

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when I was doing my bachelor's, I just went through YouTube pages and there's one page,

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Balkan Architects. It's so good. Like you will find each and every solution related to Revit

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on that page. So I would suggest like just scroll around that page. It's very good. And it's very

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explanatory. And other than that, I think professional, getting a guidance from a

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professional experienced person would be very beneficial. Like I got like in my first job,

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Akash introduced me to this concept of BIM and Revit. I used to think that I know Revit,

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like I know how to use, but I didn't know how to use it in professionally. There are so many

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lot different things to use Revit in professionally. And yeah, it was just very new concept. Like we

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were working on this project from Dubai and USA. And it was just surprising for me, like sitting

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in India, I can work on projects all over the world. Like it's so good. Just you need this

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high collaboration. That's it. But yeah, it was very good. It was very shocking to me when I got

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to know about BIM, you know, like just very surprising and you can do so many things on that.

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That's enough. Well, you could say like all your experience with BIM,

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you've been there and done that. Yeah, that's actually a good episode title. I should have

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said that. Brilliant. Okay. So yeah, there's like a mix YouTube and then like professional

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guidance. Professional guidance is nice. Yeah, that's great. Well, Tanya, I'm going to reach

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the point in the episode where each of these episodes, I like to tailor a wee fun section

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for each of my guests. So because we're talking about BIM and talking about Revit,

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section is called Viva la Revitlution. You can keep that now. But yes, so I'm just going to

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give her some facts and you give me your take on them. But first, I want to ask you a question.

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Okay. So Revit type of software package we're talking about. Do you know what Revit stands for?

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Wow. That's never wondered actually. I know so much about Revit, but never wondered like

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what would Revit mean actually? Well, what does it mean? Would it surprise you to learn that Revit,

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it's shortened down to revise instantly? Okay. Yeah. So we it's supposed to be talking about

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ease of making a change to a 3D model off the building. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's good. Just a

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little bit of yeah. Yeah. You can you could use that if there's like if you go to any pub quizzes,

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I'm sure they're gonna. Yeah. That's the basic you should know about creating your own pub quiz

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of all your Revit's made. But yeah, brilliant. Okay. I've also got another

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tidbit for you. Yeah. So Autodesk, it purchased Revit in 2002. Can you give me a guesstimate

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of how much it purchased Revit for? I think it's. I'm going to give you a clue. It's in the millions.

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What? It's in millions. Autodesk didn't create Revit. They just bought Revit from some.

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You know what? I really should have looked at Google. Yeah, I think yeah, they've acquired the

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promote my trusty source. I know like Revit license costs around 3000 pounds per year.

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Wow. They could have got it from millions like they've brought the. Is it less than five millions?

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But they so they bought the whole software Revit including it in their package. They bought it in

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2002 for 133 million. Oh my god. I know. 133 million dollars. I feel like I should have the currency.

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That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I've got one more question for you. Yeah. So we're talking

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about Revit and being a software you create 3D building on and with software it has a file type.

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Can you tell me how many file types Revit has? Yeah, it has DWG, DWX, IFC, NWC, 4 for now and.

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Are there more? Yes. So you're completely correct in those ones. And then there's also the types of

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files that has the likes of the project file and a family file. Oh yeah. And a template and a shared

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file. Shared file. Yeah. From my understanding, it's where you share it. Yeah. Like say if the

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architect has it and then like, okay, this is the model I'm working on. Correct. And then you share

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the model I'm working on. Correct. And you can see any changes. Yeah. You can see changes. You can

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sync our models and we can see all the changes in collaboration. So. Really. That's good. Well,

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you were talking earlier about the types of projects you've worked on. So the likes of

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residential and hospital. Can I ask in your opinion, what's been the most difficult project

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you've worked on or the most annoying project? Or no, sorry, I won't phrase it like that.

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What's been the most testing your knowledge project you've worked on?

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So yeah, so I've worked on like this luxurious hotel projects. Like right now I'm working in

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Cornwall on Admiralty Arc. And before previously I've worked on this Masamaka project, which is in

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Saudi Arabia. Wow. And it's a huge project. Like there are like 24,000 bedrooms in that hotel. And

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so it was a quite big project. And we were team in India and we had to coordinate with the team

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in Dubai. So we had to stay on call every time. And that project was like, they were creating the

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exact digital model, what they were going to do on site. Right from the pipe, what company pipe

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are they using right from the faucet they're using, it has to be the exact same copy of it,

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exact replica of what they're going to construct so that they could do all the analysis and they

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could get the exact first and exact material, avoid material wastage. So this project took a

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lot of time, like I would say like it took more than more than eight to nine months to work on

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this just to create BIM model, not even on site, it was just modeling and collaborating thing.

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So yeah, it was a huge project and huge learning curve for me from that. And I was kind of leading

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that project, you know, like I had to take calls with the Dubai team and I had to coordinate with

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them give each and every update. And yeah, it was very fun. Actually, that time I got to know like

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how the BIM collaboration work. Wow, that's amazing. And any so you're saying you've worked

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all these places like America, Saudi Arabia, you ever get a chance to come visit them?

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No, sadly, no, because as a BIM consultant, I think you lack that thing because you're just

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working remotely, you can work from anywhere. That's kind of a benefit as well. But kind of

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that thing because you don't never get to visit on sites. But yeah, one day when I'll have my

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own project maybe. Yeah, yeah, that'll be class. Oh my goodness. But yeah, you just highlighted

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a key point. So anyone who wants to focus on BIM as a career, you can work remotely. Exactly.

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You can work from anywhere. Yeah, you can. You can get even from like any currency.

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Oh my goodness, you probably get it from Bitcoin.

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I never tried that. But yeah, that's okay. It seemed very good. Okay, well, brilliant. Thanks

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for answering that, Tanya. Okay, now I can ask you what's your favorite thing to do in Rabbit?

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Or I'm sorry, that's a nerdy question, but I've got the software I use and I've talked about it

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before in this podcast. It is called SAP Software and it creates like energy assessments for domestic

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properties. But I have like favorite things I like to do on the software. I'm like, I'll ask, I'll ask

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you. You like to do on your software. So yeah, I actually love to use Rabbit. I can visually see

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what this building is going to be and I can do so many experience, so many experiments with the

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material and the designs. So I just love the coordination process. Even I'm working on this

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and maybe next day someone else can continue working on that. That kind of coordination.

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I just love coordinating like how this is going to turn out and getting the exact digital replica

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is so cute, you know, like, yeah, like enormous big building is going to be constructed on site,

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but you have this cute little model on the rabbit. And so yeah, I just love that. And, you know,

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because coordination process is so much better because it saves a lot of time and reduces so

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many errors on site. You can, because on Nevis work, what you can do is you can put your

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construction project manager schedule in that you can connect it on Nevis work and you can just

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see a time lapse video of how your building is going to construct. Like on this day, this wall

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will be constructed and then on other day slab will be constructed. So you can actually see

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that train coming in, the truck coming in, like how the truck is facing traffic. And you can get

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like each and every detail about that each and every detail about the schedule that is going to

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be achieved in that project. So it's so handy and it saves a lot of error, you know, yeah. So

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that's so many more benefits. I don't know. That's amazing. I didn't know you could be like a time

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lapse. Like how it's going to be constructed on site. So, wow. Okay. Very, very good. Very,

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very, very, very cool. Um, okay. I wish I had software that did that for me.

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But yeah, no, that's class. It's really great. Um, I'm seeing a lot of, like a lot of people or a

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lot of, um, the universities I would sometimes go to, um, a lot of people, they're using technologies

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like them, um, like IESV and, um, all these different softwares that can help with construction

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projects. But it's really good to see that like stuff like this, like we're back in my day, back

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in 2013, maybe only a handful of people were going into, but now it's considered a major like field.

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Yeah, that's right. And this is the thing, like, because like coming here, starting here,

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gaining experience from UK, because you know, like in India, people are not aware, like what

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VIM benefits are and what, how much cost they can save on construction, how much wastage of material

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can be reduced. So I just think like, I'll be able to promote this thing through my venture or my

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freelance projects. And I can bring that in India. Just like, I think in India, just awareness of

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VIM is must. That's it. That is what is lacking. And yeah, that's, that's really great to hear.

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Oh my goodness. Um, kind of, kind of just say thank you. You've been absolutely brilliant

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to have on. But just before we go, do you have any advice for any respective VIM engineers or

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modelers who are looking to use or VIM or the likes of Ravit? Yeah. So I would just say like,

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get familiarized with yourself, with all the softwares and what VIM is. Get your concepts

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clear, because I know there are so many misconceptions about VIM as well. But I think

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one should know how to use VIM and how, what softwares to use, you know, and yeah, that's it.

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The software is the only key you can just connect with, do networking, do networking VIM because,

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because even I will feel happy if someone would come up to me and introduce me like, oh, they're

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also working as a VIM professional. So much to talk about. And just, I would suggest like,

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go on, do networking and connect and just ask stupid questions to everyone, some or the other

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even some or the other will always help. Is there a, is there a body that you can get

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accredited with for VIM or is it like, is there like a, is it more CIPC or like an institute of

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built-in engineers? I think there is accredition, but not as, not as

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higher as CIPC or anything. It's just like a certification you can get. Okay. I'm not sure

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if you can get accredited. Okay. Well, Tanya, next time you're on, you'll hopefully know.

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Yeah. Sure. Oh, that's brilliant. Well, my piece of advice is advice I have just come up with

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in the last 20 minutes. Okay. So again, it's for anyone who wants to go out, use VIM or the likes

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of Autodesk. So if you use Autodesk, you will auto impress. That's a good one. Thank you. That

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could be the tagline of your ventures. Excellent. Oh, well, Tanya, thanks for coming on. Thank you.

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