1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,960 Hello and welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated 2 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,520 to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also like to point out 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,720 what's getting hot, aside from our planet. I'm your host Enya and today I'm joined by 4 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:38,120 not one but two Carbon Climates and co-hosts, Kristin and David. 5 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,120 That's me. 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:46,520 Also, Kristin and David, yes, who I'll be introducing shortly today. But before we get 7 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,000 into today's topic, how's your week been guys and can you tell me a bit about yourself? 8 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,640 Kristin, can you go first? 9 00:00:53,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Yeah, I'll go first. My week's been a bit full on. I'm off on Friday, so everything's 10 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:10,480 got to be fit in to the four days. My background, I'm a mechanical engineer and I studied my 11 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:17,760 Bachelor of Engineering and Mechanical Engineering at the University of Pretoria. And now I'm 12 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,040 pursuing my Masters in renewable energy and energy management. 13 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,040 Love it. 14 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Yeah, yeah, that's been about me. 15 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Very good. 16 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:35,840 So about me, I sort of similarly to Chris, I'm off on Friday, so I have to fit my weekend 17 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:45,280 to the four days. Fortunately, I haven't been as busy as Kristin sounds. Yeah, I am a design 18 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:51,560 civil engineer, specifying in geotechnical background, but I'm also still a student at 19 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Queen's and I'll be going back to get my Masters degree next year. 20 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:03,360 Wow, very impressive. And how long have you guys been in this sector? 21 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Well, so I've been working full time for a year and a half now and then a year before 22 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,720 that during my studies I was working. And Dave? 23 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Yeah, so I've actually enrolled into a sandwich year, so that means that you go out on placement 24 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,400 for a year in the middle of your degree. So I started at the company I'm still currently 25 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:36,120 working with part time in 2021. So I've been in and out for two years now with them. Obviously, 26 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,280 when I went back to uni last year, I was just doing part time hours and then I've been working 27 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,200 over the summer now until I start my my Masters next year. 28 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Very cool. And Sue, when you guys were at school or college, did you ever envisage yourself 29 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,720 in these roles? 30 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Yeah, yeah, definitely. I knew I'd been STEM from very early on, but I think I chose mechanical 31 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:09,640 around 14. So since then, you know, that was really what I wanted to go into. 32 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:17,560 Yeah, again, similar vein to Chris. I later on, probably not as early as 14, but I would 33 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:27,200 always have been finished myself in a STEM career and engineering really just sort of 34 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,560 showed up as like one of the best jobs that you could do in that background. So I just 35 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,400 thought that any one of those engineering backgrounds would be a good one to go into 36 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,840 and I just landed on civil. 37 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:47,520 So nice. Nice. OK, so if you can put it together from Chris and David's descriptions of their 38 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:53,320 jobs, today's topic is mechanical and civil engineering. How much energy do we need when 39 00:03:53,320 --> 00:04:03,060 working on site? Yeah, OK. Well, I thought it was nice, but anyway. So like typically 40 00:04:03,060 --> 00:04:08,480 for construction projects, there are many different fields that collaborate together. 41 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:15,160 There's mechanical, electrical, civil, structural and energy. We all have one main goal of the 42 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:21,440 project to meet the client's objectives and designs. There's also a lot of external meetings 43 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,840 and we would run into each other often where we get to learn a bit more about what each 44 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:30,960 field is doing. So I'm a sustainability engineer and I have limited working knowledge of what 45 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:37,280 a day to day is like for other sectors such as mechanical and civil. However, from my 46 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:42,440 research online, the consensus seems to be that civil engineering, you have to love dealing 47 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,400 with people and to be a mechanical engineer, you have to love dealing with mechanical equipment. 48 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:56,040 Can I get your guys' votes on that? Not true. Not true. It very much depends. I think consulting, 49 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:02,280 you deal with so many people. If you were to go into more of a manufacturing field where 50 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:08,920 you are working with CNC machines, maybe you'd work with more mechanical equipment, but consulting 51 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,920 definitely so much to do with people. It's funny that you say that civil, like you have 52 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:20,400 to love dealing with people because like me, Chris would talk a lot about work and from 53 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,320 what we chat about, she definitely deals with a lot more people than me being the mechanical 54 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:31,080 engineer. Dave doesn't talk to anybody much. Sometimes it's just like you don't get a phone 55 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:37,400 call at all. In my company, we don't really have that many sort of meetings. We work on 56 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,840 a lot smaller scale niche projects than what Chris seems to be doing in the mechanical 57 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,840 sector. It's like big projects where a lot's going on at once and people have to be kept 58 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:54,880 in the loop. I think it depends though, Dave's, we're obviously in the building services 59 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:01,000 sector, but Dave would be in geotechnics so definitely differs. It would still be on the 60 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:10,240 same site obviously as one sector, but it's very much disconnected from that. You wouldn't 61 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:17,760 need to know what's going on with the buildings around too much. That's where most of the 62 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,320 correlation of a lot of different engineering backgrounds comes together in the building 63 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:32,320 sector. For us, because it's such a niche outside area, we don't have to interact as 64 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:42,920 much with and get as much sort of collaboration between different companies. We don't talk 65 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:51,280 to as many people as you would think, but I'm sure other civil projects like roads and 66 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:59,680 bridges, there'd be a lot of collaboration with the people. My main takeaway David from 67 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:07,600 that is that you're telling me Google's wrong. Yeah, Google's wrong. Not reliable. That's 68 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,720 really great to hear and it's great to hear this is the reason why I wanted to infuse 69 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,400 different branches, different sectors to get an insight into the field because I know so 70 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:23,040 many people who are maybe 10 years into the energy field and maybe don't even know how 71 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:30,840 different sectors interact. I kind of came from a practical side where we were installing 72 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:37,760 renewables insulation to the theoretical design side and I have to say the jump was very different 73 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:43,320 and I wouldn't have known about each sector if it existed or not. So it's really great 74 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:51,320 to hear. Do you think Kristen, does that mirror real life? You would be the more social or 75 00:07:51,320 --> 00:08:01,480 would it be David or Eli? I think it depends. I'd be more professionally social. But Dave's 76 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:11,400 from a small town and every person you run into where he's from, you'd say hello to. 77 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:17,440 So David would be more social with more people I'd say if that makes sense. Possibly. Just 78 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,880 when you're saying you're from a small town, it's like the reverse journey. Don't stop 79 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:29,880 believing. Just a small town block. Yeah, exactly. So I know you guys talked a bit about your 80 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,920 master's degrees in your introduction. Big props to you. I've done them like I've done 81 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:42,760 it before. It's hard. Can you think of anything in your jobs, any other sort of training or 82 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:49,720 prep do you get for performing your roles? Before starting the role? Or during. I know 83 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,360 for us as Sustainable Energy Engineers to become an energy assessor, we usually work 84 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,640 for about a period of two years and then we go on to do the training or like the examination. 85 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:07,160 But the likes of say, chartership or has that been talked about? I mean, chartership for 86 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:13,080 our industry comes a bit further down the line and I think minimum five years experience 87 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:24,800 really before you become chartered. So yeah, you really just start into the job and obviously 88 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,560 you can start with graduate memberships in these, what would you call them? Like institutions? 89 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:36,440 Represented. Yeah. For the engineering council, you start in sort of graduate memberships 90 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:44,640 and you start collecting your CPD, so continued professional development. You can start training. 91 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:53,480 They have training on drainage, ventilation, every little niche thing has its own. And 92 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,600 is this taken a lot from CIPC guides and all? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Often, you know, when a 93 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:06,240 new CIPC guide comes out, when a new version comes out, they often have a lot of CPDs coming 94 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:12,880 along with that just to train the professionals in the new standards. So that's sort of the 95 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:19,120 continued training and then in-house often they'll have training on, for example, we've 96 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,480 had revit training, we've had training on specific boilers and that going on from the 97 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:31,080 senior engineers. So yeah, yeah. Well, it sounds like a really great company. Yeah, 98 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:38,760 yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. But yeah, dude, what about yourself? So I know you're still studying 99 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,360 at the minute. Yeah. I'm like, but in your rural Noi, like would they be sending you 100 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:50,480 any for any, I don't know, like you guys have a civil engineers would have an institution 101 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,760 institution as well. Yeah, civil engineers. That's essentially the same thing as the I 102 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:05,520 Structy, which is another one, which for structural engineers. But yeah, I mean, like there's 103 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,560 loads of good stuff on their website and you can be a member the whole time here at university 104 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:18,760 for free. And like they have a weekly paper, loads of information that you can just get 105 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,360 for free, essentially, if you're a student. And also, I mentioned briefly before about 106 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:29,440 the sandwich here, I think that's a really good way of getting some experience before 107 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,840 going into your actual role, because you get a whole year of working in an actual engineering 108 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,520 company. Yeah, it's always different when you're studying. Yeah, like, the university 109 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:48,040 is great for learning stuff, but it's so broad that you kind of get lost a little bit in 110 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:56,080 what you want to do. So in my in my bachelors, there was six modules every year. And the 111 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:02,240 job I'm in at the minute really only covers one of those modules. So you kind of get an 112 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:08,240 idea of how broad university is and then you can go into a company and kind of get lost 113 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:14,760 because you only know the basics of something. So it's always good to, I think, get that 114 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,760 year experience while you're studying as well. Definitely. I couldn't agree with you more. 115 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,720 Like I did a year experience and it just opened my eyes. I was like, oh, this is actually 116 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,640 engineering. Okay. Absolutely. And it's so much different in industry interacting with 117 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,080 contractors interacting with your seniors. It's not like you're working alone like you 118 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,280 would do where you're studying and everything's a lot more broad. There's never a final answer 119 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,840 for anything. There's just, you know, what's the better, more efficient, more time efficient 120 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:48,880 solution. So it is different to studying for sure. I like what you said there, because 121 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,760 I feel like it helps. And it also helps like when you're talking to those people, build 122 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,120 your confidence for when you're talking to them next time. For sure. Yeah, sure. Especially 123 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,520 at such a young age. The sandwich is such a good idea. Yeah. And companies are usually 124 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,360 very good with their students. Like if they, if they, if they take you on, they want you 125 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,960 to be there and they're going to help you out and they're not going to have you doing 126 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:18,560 stuff that isn't of benefit to you. So yeah, it is a good way to get some experience. That's 127 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:23,720 good. And like definitely I could see like you in the position now, like you, like you 128 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,120 do in your sandwich year, like with that, I, like, I know a lot of people who maybe studied 129 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,880 mechanical engineering and they never did a placement or never had any experience. And 130 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:39,000 they even did a masters in it as well. And they're actually in something completely different. 131 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Now I think they're in data. So yeah, just because shows like, you know, it really just 132 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,800 like, like puts, puts it into perspective, oh, this is what I'm going to be doing for 133 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:58,040 the next 30 years. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like too many, like there's been, well definitely 134 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:03,840 in my time, not too sure now, I need to get more research out there, but say in my time, 135 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,200 the money people that maybe two years in, they realized I've made a mistake. And it's 136 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,880 like, like you've, you've realized two years in and you feel, you might feel like you're 137 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,200 stuck in this career for the next 20 years and being happy for a job. That happened to 138 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:26,320 a guy that went on the placement to the same company as I did the same year. He like done 139 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,480 the year placement, sort of thought, don't know if I'm sure on this and is doing a different 140 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,720 thing now. So it didn't waste an extra two years doing something that they didn't like. 141 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:44,600 So you know, the option is always open to switch even once you've started. People with 142 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:52,480 the BN generally have switched to teaching and ended up working more in an engineering 143 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,960 sort of subject within teaching. So you can always switch it. I think feeling like you're 144 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:04,000 stuck in your twenties is a bit of a broad statement, you know? Okay. Yeah. Fair. Fair. 145 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Yep. And like my, like my perspective is always, I think I'm going to be doing this for the 146 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:15,760 next 30 years. I would just want, I want to enjoy it. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that's 147 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:22,280 great. Before we move on to our next section, Kristen, interesting fact about you. You immigrated 148 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:28,560 here from South Africa. Yes. Yeah. So I know you're a mechanical engineer. With mechanical 149 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,440 engineers, you guys design a lot of systems, especially in buildings such as the heating, 150 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,480 ventilation, air conditioning, hot water. I could go on, but I'm not like, you know, 151 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:44,160 it's a lot of lists. Okay. Yeah. But what were the big changes to you moving over here 152 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:49,880 and looking at this work? I think the main difference before I would have been working 153 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,560 in more industrial systems and now I'm working more residential, so apartment blocks and 154 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:02,840 that sort of thing. So, you know, the standards are quite different between industrial and 155 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,600 residential and, and because obviously it's a living space. So they're a lot stricter 156 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,640 on insulation and heating. And the biggest change, I think going from South Africa to 157 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,200 here is the heating systems in buildings, because we don't have integrated heating 158 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,640 in South Africa. So that would have been a major change to get used to. And it's something 159 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:33,240 that's standard within residential units. So that just paired with freezing. We've never 160 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:41,040 considered freezing in Joberg, no less. Joberg. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot that's what you call 161 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:49,480 it, Joberg. Yeah. And I was like, oh, so nice. Yeah. But South Africa, a lot of standards 162 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,120 are taken from a combination of British and American standards. So they wouldn't have 163 00:16:53,120 --> 00:17:00,040 been too far off working with, working with the governmental standards. Okay. Yeah. And 164 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:08,920 David, you immigrated from Korea. That's correct. A little R down the road. Yeah, like different 165 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:18,160 world. No, it's lovely up there. No, it is, before I go back home and then everyone's 166 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:24,680 like really mad at me. Yeah, you get shunned. You get shunned all the time. Like we heard 167 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:36,720 the podcast. We were the 20s years. Yeah, nobody says hello to everybody. Cut that out. 168 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Oh, brilliant. Okay. Well, now we're going to move on to our next section. This is a 169 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:50,480 bit where I ask you guys some questions or just ask for estimated guesses. And each episode 170 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,160 I tailor this section and just gather some research and I try to call it a different 171 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:02,640 name each time. So this week's name, it's called Let's Keep It Civil with These Mechanical 172 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:09,800 Issues. Like, yeah, I was like, you know what, I did like up several mechanical jokes and 173 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:17,360 there is not a lot out there. No, I think keeping it civil is the best one you can guess. 174 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:27,360 Okay. Well, yes. So I'm going to spit some facts at you from Statista.co.uk. Just so 175 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:33,680 you know. This is legit. Okay, well, I'm going to ask for some guesses. From Data Taken 176 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:40,600 in 2022, how many civil engineers do you think there are in the UK? In the whole UK? In the 177 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:47,120 whole of the UK? I'm going to say... I don't think people are in the whole UK. Just first 178 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:53,680 off. You carry the one. Yeah, carry the one. I'll give you a clue. Okay, it's in the tens 179 00:18:53,680 --> 00:19:01,400 of thousands. I would say about 20,000. What's your guess? I think it'll be like kind of 180 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:09,280 high. Because there's so many different regions that civil covers. I'm going to say 50,000. 181 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:17,840 Okay, well, the actual answer is 92,000. Wow. Yes. That's a few. Yeah. And did you know 182 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:24,400 this is an 8% increase from 2010 figures? So we can either chop that up to a population 183 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,600 boom or more people are entering the field of civil engineering. You're welcome. Yeah, 184 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:37,080 that was you. Okay, so from the same website, what do you think the figure is for mechanical 185 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:44,320 engineers? I think there are actually more mechanical engineers. Okay. I'm going to say 186 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:51,240 120,000. 120,000, okay. I'm going to stick to my guns and say that we outrank. There's 187 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,800 more of us than you. I'm going to go, I still think it's going to be high though. Maybe 188 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:08,240 85,000. Okay. Well, this website states there is 55,000 as of 2022. Only 55? Yeah. Okay. 189 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:15,720 And did you know this is a 33% increase from figures taken in 2010? Oh my goodness. So 190 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:24,240 yeah, the medical engineers, they're feeling it. They're feeling the pressure. Oh no. We're 191 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:31,800 in high demand. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, well, as we stated before, sorry, before we move 192 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:38,720 on to the next bit. Oh no, I suppose I can wrap this into the, that's keeping civil around. 193 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,680 Okay. Well, the built environment, geotechnical, that would kind of maybe be covered underneath 194 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,120 it. The built environment. Like when you're- Kind of, yeah. We kind of do with landscaping 195 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:57,520 a lot. Yeah. We do a lot of slope stability. Yeah. Okay. Well, so this question does still 196 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:05,120 apply to you. Okay. How much percentage of carbon emissions do you think the built environment 197 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:11,920 contributes to the UK? Oh, loads. I will accept. Yeah. Percentage. Can we both answer this? 198 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:22,640 We can answer at the same time and like we can. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 35%. 199 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:30,960 Okay. So built environment, are we including both commercial and residential? Yep. I think, 200 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:39,920 think about 45 to 50%. Wow. Okay. Guys, it is 40%. That was good. If it took an average, 201 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:48,960 like you guys would be right. Very nice. And did you know that the construction sector 202 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:58,680 alone contributes 11% to global carbon emissions? My word. Yeah. It's a big industry to be in. 203 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:05,080 But yeah. Yeah. So that's the end of that section. It's just taking a minute to take 204 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:13,800 it all in there. But that's brilliant. Well, before we wrap up, guys, do you have any advice 205 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,800 for future prospective engineers looking to get into the construction or geotechnical 206 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:30,400 sector? Well, I'd say definitely do a shadow time. I know in high school here, in secondary 207 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,240 school. Yeah. Secondary school you do like a week's work experience. Yeah, you do a week's 208 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:41,560 work experience. So definitely if there's any field that you're interested in, you know, 209 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,920 go to that company, find someone that you can shadow. Even if it's just to try it out, 210 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,960 because you could do that week and again, as you say, like work out, it's not for you. 211 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And did you guys do shadow like this week's work experience at your like 212 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:02,800 secondary schools or? No, no, it's not. This is not really a thing, especially where I'm 213 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:10,800 from. So I did. Yeah, I went into the Rogues Works. So it was civil. It was civil, but 214 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,360 it was a different area to what I'm in now. Do you know where mine was? It was a vet. 215 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:23,000 And not coming in. No, I'm here. Yeah, you worked out. I wasn't here. Even when I was 216 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,920 there, I described to them what I wanted to do. I think it was like work with animals 217 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,480 in South Africa. And they're like, why are you here? Why are you not at the zoo? I'm 218 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:42,560 like, this is my house, okay. My mom had to drive me. Yeah. Give me a bottle. Yeah, no, 219 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,360 we won't break. I might record that later and then split it and at the end, I've got 220 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:54,200 a story for you guys. That's pretty awesome. But yeah, so David, would you share that advice? 221 00:23:54,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Is there definitely a shadow week? Yeah, that's a great idea to do a week's work experience 222 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,480 somewhere where you think you'd be interested in. I've been banging a lot about this, which 223 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,400 is a great idea too, to go in and do your experience. Yeah. And I think if there's 224 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,360 any degree that you want to pursue, universities normally have descriptions on every single 225 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:24,600 module throughout all the three to four years. So honestly, just go to the university websites, 226 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:30,240 check out some degrees, see if the modules excite you really. And all of them, it's normally 227 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,600 a paragraph to two paragraphs. There's a lot of university open days as well. They do. 228 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,560 That's really good. And what are they called? They're like fairs. Like I know Queens does 229 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,880 one anyway. And skills will usually take you to these, but if they don't, I think they 230 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,760 do do like week long ones and they are at the weekend if you don't get the chance to 231 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:58,640 go during the week with school. I mean, I'll plug University of Pretoria here, they have 232 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,680 something called EBIT Week. So it's engineering and built environment and IT. You go in for, 233 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,720 I think it's four days and you stay in some of the res's there and they take you through 234 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:18,960 each. You're going to have to explain what a residence is. Residence, so like uni halls 235 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,440 and they take you through each engineering field and then as well as IT and then the 236 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,920 built environment. So it would be architectural and mining. So definitely, definitely see 237 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,440 if local universities around have an introduction week. Okay, nice. Brilliant. Yeah, that's 238 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:46,600 great guys. Okay, well my advice is always be civil when looking at the mechanical. Not 239 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:55,040 like inspiring or groundbreaking because I've kind of reused that. Well, I liked when I 240 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,080 first messaged you guys about like, or like last night when I sent the clip to this, you 241 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,280 mentioned a title and it was like Enya and the dynamos. And I was like, dynamos? Yeah, 242 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:12,000 dynamos. That's some sort of, I think that's electrical engineering. I can make it work. 243 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,600 Yeah, you can make it work. Give me half an hour and like, you know, access to pain. Okay. 244 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:27,320 Well, you know, you might not always be a fan of the studies, but you got to get your 245 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:39,400 doubts in a row. I did like that. You did your research. Yeah. That was the one for 246 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:48,680 you. I'm letting the team down. I didn't realize this was a whole thing. She's already taken 247 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,720 the only civil joke. Floculator. That's like signing off. No one's going to know what a 248 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:04,680 flocculator is. So. Yeah, do you know what that is? No. But it's like flocculator. Like, 249 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:11,320 yeah. So see you later flocculator. Okay. And then you add the podcast there. Yeah. 250 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,120 And then you'll never have any more podcasts off. And you can never listen again. That's 251 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:21,040 it. And it's like, well, groundbreaking sign off. Yeah. Okay. Well, here, I'll do the sign 252 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:27,160 off now and then you can, you know, jump in at the end. Like, yeah, guys, I can sign off 253 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,080 the podcast. Yeah. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to plug the Instagram first and then. 254 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,560 Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay. Well, yeah. Brilliant guys. Thank you so much for coming 255 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,640 on. It was really great. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very insightful talk. And I hopefully people 256 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:48,200 like no more than they did when they like first started listening. But yeah, so thanks 257 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,840 for listening to carbon climates. If you follow us on Instagram at carbon underscore climates, 258 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,440 all links to our recordings and news about future episodes will be there. So yeah, guys, 259 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,400 see you next time. Bye. It's my time to shine. It's your time to shine. Good. See you later 260 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:18,760 flocculently. Brilliant. Brilliant.