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Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated

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to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability while pointing out what's

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getting hot, aside from our planet. I'm your host Aine and today I'm joined with my Carbon

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Climate and co-host Louise. Yeah, that's you introduced. But yeah, thanks for coming on

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Louise. My pleasure, my pleasure. Of course, this is the first Carbon Climates episode.

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It's an honour. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. Like, yeah, you were definitely the first choice in

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mind of mine. Yeah. So before we get into today's topic, how's your week been and how

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have you been carving and can you tell us a bit about yourself? How has my week been?

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Do we love each other? Do you want the podcast answer or the real answer? Yeah, do you want the podcast answer or the real answer?

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Yeah. Living the dream, Enya. Living the sustainability dream. Of course. First,

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well, that brings on your job title. Like, what is it? It is a sustainability engineer.

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Wow. Very impressive stuff. Same as you. How long have you been in the sector as a sustainability engineer?

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Well, four years full time and then I did my placement year in the sector. So we'll count that.

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Oh, very good. That was you did a placement from Coran. It was Geography. Yeah. Geography. Very good.

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That's like, did you hear about this through University of Ulster or? No. So one of the directors of the company,

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my mum worked with his wife. It actually was aimed at my brother because he was doing like a

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natural engineering at the time. So she had said to mum for him. And then I just asked if they had it

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because they had like, whenever I went on to look at the website, they had environmental stuff.

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And at the time I was wanting to go down like environmental management route. So I just applied

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and asked. Then I originally came in to do Braille but ended up doing all the simulation stuff.

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Like wow, that's amazing. Okay. I can imagine, imagine if you and your brother are beaten for the same roles.

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This is such. I feel like they'd make a K drama about that. I would watch it.

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You've seen what I watched. That's good. Well, so you're saying at uni you've seen yourself in the

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environmental management sector. See when you were at secondary school, did you ever see yourself in

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this sector? Do you know what? I was actually thinking about this because I used to go in

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hall the other time as kids. They were like five years old. That was the first time I ever

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seen a winter van. And I was fascinated. My mum has photos of me and my older brother standing

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at the access patch of a winter van. I'll smile at my cheeks. We were focused like 2001 or something

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in the environment. Didn't even know what a winter van was. So me and my mum were probably fascinated

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by these things. I think from the end I did sort of think that's quite interesting. Because I was

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kind of being interested in like renewables and stuff. But then the geography went down

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environmental management route. So yeah, I always kind of did see myself working in like

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renewables and energy efficiency and stuff from that. That's really great to hear.

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Did you get work experience at school? Like say in sixth form or fifth form? Yeah.

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Yeah. Where did you get yours? I went to primary school. Of course. My primary school.

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And all the teachers, I can actually remember half the teachers, but they were like,

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they remembered me. I said, I don't remember you teaching me at all. That's so sweet.

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You know where I did my work experience? Oh that? Oh that's it? Yeah. And now look at us now.

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Wow. Wow. Really pumped. And like that's the thing. I feel like at secondary school,

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I don't know if you find it, I feel like teachers, they put on a lot of pressure

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on you to maybe as, oh you have to go do a degree at a particular uni and you have to look at these

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jobs, like push you towards certain jobs. Which were like maybe science, medical, law based. But

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they didn't even like, you know, put a thought up to like the likes of film. Or even like apprenticeships

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or anything like that. It's very much just go to uni. And because now I'm like, I've come to the

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realisation and it's simply because I think it's more well known now. But there was the option for

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us to maybe do a part time degree and then also have a job when we're like 19, 20. So rather than

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doing the full like three or four years uni, which you know, fair enough, it is a uni, like it's an

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experience in itself. We could have like, you know, from 19 got experience and like also like

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be getting a degree. So earning, earning and learning, learning, learning, learning. I like that.

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But like, yeah, that definitely wasn't publicised. I think that's only really good if you know

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exactly what you want to do. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. Like if you were like,

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I didn't really know what I wanted to do, you know, if I wanted to do geography. Like if I knew,

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if I knew, you know, at 19, 18, 19, you know, it probably would have been a different choice.

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Like if you knew point blank, this is what I want to do. Because you see a lot of even in our company,

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yeah, a lot of younger people coming in ex-girl levers because this is what they want to do.

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That's like, you know, it's just like, got so, so jealous of you. Yeah.

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Knowing how you really made the right decision. Yeah, knowing what direction your life is going.

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I stood alone. Well, thanks for that Louise. And now, so we're going to move on to today's topic.

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Before we do, I've got one question for you. What did the pirate find most important about

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the insulation? I don't know. The R value? For those of you who don't know what an R value is,

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that will be explained in the long way. That's a nice segue. That would be a cool segue. R values.

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Today's topic is actually called, is actually focusing on EPCs with this episode's title being

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EPCs, energy performance is assert. Okay. That was the first thing I came up with when I think like

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it was maybe this time last year, shouldn't titles back at you. It was like energy performance is

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assert. I'm like, this is it. Okay. Okay. Enough fun. Okay. So myself and Louise are sustainability

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engineers and we mainly deal with issuing EPCs to clients for the final constructions of their

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buildings. EPC stands for energy performance certificate. For those of you who don't know,

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I feel like most people know. Yeah. However, I always like want to explain because even my friend,

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he was buying a house, I think a couple of months ago and I looked up his EPC to show,

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I was like, oh, what's your EPC? And he was like, oh, what's this? This is mine? So I'm like,

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oh, maybe some people don't know that this is right there. So EPC stands for energy performance

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certificate. It's a calculation which rates your building from A to G and gives a representation

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of how energy efficient it actually is. Even though the energy performance certificate is

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only a couple of pages, there's a lot that goes into the calculation itself. Us, me and Louise

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are both energy assessors, both LCEAs, which stands for, I'm sorry, I'm just like, I'm just

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explaining all the abbreviations. If you ever get into the energy sector, you'll realize there are

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a lot of abbreviations. Some might say too many. But LCEA stands for low carbon energy assessor.

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So for this, that means we look at the area of the building, the type of construction it's made up

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of. When we talk about constructions, we're talking about what materials make up the wall,

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how much insulation goes into it, how permeable the building is. When we talk about permeability

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in terms of building, we talk about the amount of the airflow for it, like the infiltration.

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We also look at the heating, ventilation and hot water type of the building and also what the lights

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are. These are all put into a software calculator and this calculator spits out a carbon amount,

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which is then rated on an orthonumeric scale. From A to G.

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Keep it simple, yeah.

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Yeah. Like, okay, I won't be trying that again. Okay. So why is this important? Because all the

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buildings require a valid EPC in order to be sold or rented out. So Louise, in your opinion,

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how valuable do you think people actually look at the EPCs? How important are they to the function

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of the building?

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I guess it's just theoretical.

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Theoretical, okay.

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It's not really a good indication of how energy efficient the building is, I think.

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That's honestly...

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This is the inside scoop, directly from the energy.

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Directly, straight from the source.

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Because if you think about things like, you can maybe not pass your building regulations,

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but still get an EPC that A.

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I think that's like...

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Would you be in the agreement that maybe an EPC reform is needed? Like, you know, different

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layer of the structures, like investigation into what is actually important.

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other buildings. It's not like what it is, but it's like what it can be.

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That's pretty cool now.

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Very, very interesting. Well, you also do operational energy reports, which are reports

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that are required for an energy accreditation, like for the building.

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An operation, they pretty much give the real life operation of the building.

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So what it's actually producing in terms of electricity, fuel, what's being used, flow rates,

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et cetera. I always do lists, like, you know, sort of.

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And I'm trying to stop it.

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Sorry, guys.

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It's like a natural loop.

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A loop. Exactly. Yeah. She does it in real life as well.

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It's the prettiest thing.

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But like, sorry.

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Please, can you get your little fever test or something?

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Well, so also, like, do you also perform operational reports or put together operational

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reports for clients as well? And when you started doing that, did you see a clear difference between

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the likes of what's been out in an EPC and then what actually is going on in the operational report?

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Yeah. I mean, it's not all that. I'm one is, you know, the operational energy is better than

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than the EPC. But there is always a difference. Of course, there's always a difference because

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it's actually taking into consideration how a person is supposedly actually, you know,

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operating within the building and living within the building.

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Like, if you think about it, an EPC doesn't really take into consideration your equipment gains.

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Plugin modes. They're massive in every building and operational energy does think about that sort of stuff.

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That's pretty interesting. Pretty interesting. So, yeah, that's great.

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And often, well, at the minute when we're dealing with different projects, we often get a document,

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a contract document that states a specific EPC might be required for the building.

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And this is purely a marketing technique so people can advertise. Yep, my building gets an A or a B

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or, you know, very snazzy. But yeah, like, has it been annoying seeing that? And then maybe,

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like, you're on the project and it's always like, oh no, we want to go,

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like, a route that maybe isn't going to achieve that EPC or...

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Oh yeah, change in building regs.

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You know, maybe something that, like, something that allowed you to get a certain rating once

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is not going to let you get it now. Vice versa.

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Jordan is annoying in the way, I think, with the EPC stuff.

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Oh, off topic. Completely unlike me.

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Do you know whenever you look at houses, you know, like, any sort of domestic assessor,

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when you look at domestic APCs, which is not just domestic.

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Do you know, like, well, obviously older houses haven't...

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Are you going to talk about this? Shall I just stop?

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Like, what is it? I think I might bring it up in a later section. No, no, no, no,

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but like, keep on going, this is good. There's a lot of things that noise me

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every time I say it. Okay.

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Well, we talked previously about the training we've done, how we're both LCEAs.

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However, like, I myself have only been an LCEA for the past year,

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whereas we've been doing APCs for the past, I'd say, five, six years. How old are we?

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In your opinion, like, what sort of training pathway did you prefer, or would you find,

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do you think would be viable to future energy assessors?

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Like, do you think a more hands on approach to the job?

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Like, oh, yeah, learning on the job. Yeah.

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Learning on the job. Yeah.

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I always think, I always think it's like learning to drive,

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going to the university and stuff. You're not learning, like, yeah, you're learning the basics,

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you're learning how things work. You're getting a baseline knowledge of something,

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but you don't actually learn to do something until you're doing it every day.

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Yeah. Like, you're going to go into

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university and learning the theory behind things. Of course, that's always beneficial,

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but, you know, unless you're actually sitting down and putting that into practice,

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I don't think that information is retained or it's, you know.

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Yeah, no, I completely agree. I can't, I think I've, what is it, no,

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I've forgotten more than I've learned. Yeah, yeah, 100%.

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But yeah, well, like, what particular guides do you find are helpful in your job?

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Guides? Guides, like, you know,

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the way we would use SIPSE guides or what one do you use the most?

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I use guide A. Guide A.

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Wow. Don't ask me what that is.

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Guide A. The TM-59 for overheating.

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Yes. And occasionally TM-54 for

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operational energy. Right, yes.

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Like, TM-59, I was going to do a separate episode on itself.

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So I'm going to be a suspect for that. Daytune guide.

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Yes, daytuned. To come later.

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Splinter. That's hot.

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Okay, well, that's great. I'm trying to think what my favourite guide is.

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I use, I use, like, as you mentioned, I'm a domestic energy assessor or

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like domestic on construction, whatever the abbreviation.

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Again, another abbreviation. Okay.

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You should do a listener game.

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Yeah, it's this abbreviation.

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Every time there's an abbreviation, it's like, get a point.

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I think I do like that manual because it's so bulky and it's about, I think,

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now I don't want to say 600 pages, but it's 200 pages between 200 and 600.

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Hmm. It's a good document.

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Range. Tell us in the comments.

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What's your favourite building regulations guide?

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If you had one to read for the rest of your life.

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Oh, BMI.

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Well, as previously mentioned for energy assessors, like us as energy assessors,

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we not only issue EPCs, but also building regulations, calculations.

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These calculations are often associated with the energy

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and can be spit out from the same software that we simulate EPCs from.

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So this is, and this is often the thing that clients maybe don't get that part F or part L

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It's going to be different from an EPC. Like they're like, oh, it's even though it's

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the same model, same software, it's two different things.

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It's two different, it's being measured against two different

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baselines, not baselines, two different methodologies.

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There we, yeah.

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Your face there, just so sad methodologies.

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It's the national calculator method.

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So summary, we submit an EPC and we often submit like a brugel or sap calculation with it.

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So, which is the part L bit.

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What would be your favourite between the two, doing an EPC or doing a brugel or sap calculation?

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What?

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Um, there's probably the part L in the brugel because it, like, like I said earlier,

217
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you can pass your EPC, but not pass your building regs.

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There's more challenge in the building regs.

219
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I like a challenge.

220
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And you like a challenge, okay.

221
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Um, yeah, like that's interesting.

222
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And also you find like with an EPC, yeah, yeah.

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With an EPC, because when we submit it, we launched it, we get QA'd

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and you often find that like I'm always really strict with what I can like put in

225
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or I always feel like, you know, oh no, I have to put in this default value or this value.

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Whereas a brugel, I feel like you can like, you know, I'm going to see what it's like with,

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yeah, with these types of lights or these, this type of heating.

228
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Yeah.

229
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The world, the world you're always strict with.

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The world you're always strict with.

231
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The world you're always strict with.

232
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But yeah, uh, yeah, okay.

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Well, now we're going to come into a section that I think this might be the section you were talking about earlier

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about Northern Ireland EPC and domestic regulations.

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So since 2012, Northern Ireland has operated under the same energy assessment methodology,

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which is equivalent to an English building regulations from 2009 for part L.

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Which is ridiculous.

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What is it?

239
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Which is ridiculous.

240
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Right, which, oh yes.

241
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So I've prepared a wee short table, which kind of like it talks about all the changes that happened.

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And just a summary, pretty much when building regulations were changing in England, Wales and Scotland,

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they were staying the same for Northern Ireland.

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I'm going to give you the dates onto which they changed.

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And I want you to guess what the coinciding event was that maybe stopped the change.

246
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Okay.

247
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So in 2009, England got the 2009 software for domestic energy assessment.

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Northern Ireland got the 2009 software for domestic energy assessment.

249
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So 2009, we're both feeling fine.

250
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2009, good job.

251
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2012, England updated to SAP 2012 software.

252
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England, Wales and Scotland, I believe, sorry.

253
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Northern Ireland was told to stay on the SAP 2009 software.

254
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Okay.

255
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Why?

256
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I actually couldn't find a coinciding event with that, so we'll skip that.

257
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2016.

258
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Good as a year.

259
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So the software is still SAP 2012.

260
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However, updates have been provided to the building regulations.

261
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Northern Ireland is still on SAP 2009.

262
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Can you guess what the coinciding event was in 2016 that maybe stopped it from being updated in Northern Ireland?

263
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2016, was it that we didn't have a government?

264
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Well, that is part of it.

265
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But in 2016, Brexit was announced.

266
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I was going between the two because they were both going at the same time.

267
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Yeah.

268
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And so Brexit wasn't announced.

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And then I think it was maybe a couple months after that, our elections happened and then we didn't have a government.

270
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So yeah, that was great.

271
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And we still do.

272
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Yeah.

273
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We had to forbid and then they left.

274
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They said this was nice, but they're like, I'm away.

275
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I'm enjoying my holiday.

276
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2020 is when the next update came.

277
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So England was still under the SAP 2012 software for domestic energy assessments.

278
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However, SAP 10 software was introduced, which is a snazzy new software that took into account updated fuel, carbon written for fuels.

279
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OK.

280
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Can you guess what software Northern Ireland was told to stay under?

281
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2009, baby.

282
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As you said earlier, there was no government.

283
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Oh, not failed?

284
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Yeah.

285
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There's a theme.

286
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Yeah, there's a theme.

287
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OK.

288
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Guess what's going to happen next?

289
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2021.

290
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What?

291
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Techno booklet F1 and part L221 announced it's set an implementation date for like an implementation date was set.

292
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So all new domestic energy assessments after a certain date in 2021 or 2022 were told to move to the SAP 10 software.

293
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OK.

294
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Even though the regulations were changed to Northern Ireland, what software did we have to stay under?

295
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2009.

296
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OK.

297
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Can you guess the coinciding event about like why that had to happen?

298
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So the COVID one?

299
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Well, and actually COVID as well.

300
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OK.

301
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And Brexit.

302
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And?

303
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All of them came together.

304
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It doesn't matter.

305
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And I would just also like to stress the like, you know, previous.

306
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It's not a political.

307
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It's not a political like podcast.

308
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Like these are purely my this is purely my opinion.

309
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Like, but we do have a unique geopolitical setting and it does severely impact the updates that received onto local bills and regulations.

310
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But yeah, so that's just like my research, what I found, you know.

311
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2009.

312
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Yeah, 2009.

313
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It pretty much it has up like what is it?

314
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What it means that like even the software stays the same, the outputs are stayed the same.

315
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And we still just have to pass like, you know, the the BR the and they're just saying, oh yeah, as long as that shows a 20 percent reduction.

316
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So you have to say, oh, yeah, look, I had in this like, you know, she was a 20 percent reduction.

317
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So the software could put a calculation that says pass, but you could feel.

318
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15 percent for no domestics are 25 percent for flats reduction and then 40 percent for houses.

319
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And yes, it's just it's it's really confusing.

320
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Whereas, like, you know, the non domestic software, the one we use, it's flagged up right away.

321
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Like, you know, if you even though the BR was lower than the TR, if it didn't get more than 15 percent reduction, that was a fail.

322
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That's only recently, though, because whenever the first the rigs are fresh announced, you have to just do it manually.

323
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It's so absurd.

324
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They don't make it easy for us.

325
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They don't.

326
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For the building sector.

327
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OK, well, that's great. Thank you for playing that sector.

328
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I'm not going to move on to another group.

329
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I mentioned the title of this, energy performance is a cert.

330
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I think I'll call this always be certain.

331
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Certain.

332
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OK, I'm just going to ask you a couple of questions and I want your best guess.

333
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So we talked about how we perform part out calculations, building regulations, calculations on particular non domestic software.

334
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How many non domestic software's do you think are right there?

335
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So non domestic, non domestic, like different brands.

336
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Close.

337
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Do you have the answer?

338
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Yeah.

339
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18.

340
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I will publish a link to a list of those softwares, but yeah, there is a lot of them.

341
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There's a lot more than three.

342
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There's only three that I know of.

343
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But yeah.

344
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So in 2020, the Energy Assessment Guidance for London came out and it showed that a certain carbon factor for a certain fuel had decreased over time,

345
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making it really like a lot better, a lot healthier.

346
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I feel like I'm doing my part out of ExxonMu.

347
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But can you tell me that fuel?

348
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It decreased.

349
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It decreased.

350
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Doesn't it got better?

351
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It got better, yeah.

352
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Electric?

353
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Yes, exactly.

354
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So over the period, the monitoring period from 2010 to 2020 or 18, whenever it came out,

355
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they found that electricity had just dropped in the amount of carbon it was producing per kilowatt hour.

356
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This is because of all the renewable elements that are connected into the grid, making electricity a cleaner fuel.

357
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So yeah, that was that was grand.

358
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So I've asked the question about non domestic software.

359
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So as I explained, SAP 10, the new SAP 10 methodology, softwares have come out for that.

360
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Can you guess how many domestic bodies cover that software?

361
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I'm going to just say three again.

362
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Close, four.

363
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I meant non domestic, domestic the first time.

364
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I'll bring out of that, OK?

365
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:42,420
Well, I want to move on to a section now.

366
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It's called Watch Your Energy Performance.

367
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So this is a section where I just want to highlight how it is possible to find out what your EPC rating is.

368
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Watch Your Energy Performance is if you go to the.gov.uk website and go find an energy certificate,

369
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look up your postcode, find your address and then there's your EPC rating and you can show it off to your friends.

370
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Like, you know, some notes.

371
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But yeah, I'm currently ranting at the minute, so my energy performance, I'm not going to have too much to be with,

372
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but I think I'm sitting on a E or D.

373
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It's pretty, it's not how I'd like it to be.

374
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But did you look up yours at all?

375
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,180
Well, I still live with my mum and dad.

376
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:32,260
Like, it's, you know, in this, in this, you can have a crazy question.

377
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:33,780
Of course I do.

378
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I get my dinner made for me, I get my water made for me.

379
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Can I go?

380
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,380
Yeah, we can just go, you can leave me.

381
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Go.

382
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We don't actually have any EPC.

383
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And you know why that is?

384
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Because it was pre 2001.

385
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:53,060
Exactly.

386
00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:58,820
Yeah, EPCs then became a legal requirement, I think, for UK in 2005.

387
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They did them later for Northern Ireland.

388
00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:08,900
There's only a document that I think 2014 that comes out being like, if you buy or sell property, you need to have an EPC.

389
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I think we moved, I think we would have bought the house in 2001.

390
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,900
I did actually look it up, but we don't have one.

391
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,460
And here, if you're standing there, you don't need one.

392
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:19,460
You don't need one?

393
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You don't need one.

394
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So yeah, be very, be very interested to, like, you know, I can remind you.

395
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What's this while we're talking?

396
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:32,420
But I would also like to point out, Alex, so I'm an on construction domestic energy assessor.

397
00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:36,500
And this is the thing, there are many different types of energy assessors.

398
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:42,900
There is, well, pretty much on construction domestic energy assessor, and then domestic energy assessor.

399
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:49,220
So domestic energy assessors, they can assess the building if it's been, if it's an existing.

400
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:53,460
So they are qualified to assume, like, you know, lots of defaults.

401
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:58,100
Whereas on construction, I pretty much, the contractor tells me what to do.

402
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,820
Like, you know, it's like, this is how you build the building, and like, brilliant.

403
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:03,940
You've got all your certificates there. Love it.

404
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:06,180
Whereas non-domestic, that's not the case.

405
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:12,260
You can be qualified as non-domestic and do existing and new builds as well.

406
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,580
Like, okay, well, Louise, you've been great to have all.

407
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:19,220
Thank you very much for coming on.

408
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:25,140
Do you have any advice for future prospective energy assessors looking to get into this sector?

409
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:29,300
It's kind of a niche sector to get into.

410
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:29,540
Yeah.

411
00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:33,300
Like, we think about the, like, the place missions and stuff they get in.

412
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:38,580
They typically come from energy degrees.

413
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:39,060
Yeah.

414
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:44,660
Which, you know, they might not push this end of work.

415
00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:44,900
Yeah.

416
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:51,300
Um, so it's probably hard for, like, if I didn't do my placement here,

417
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:55,300
I wouldn't have known that this was even a thing.

418
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:56,100
Exactly. Yeah.

419
00:30:58,580 --> 00:31:00,500
Yeah, I don't know. Just get out there.

420
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,300
Like, put in your CV.

421
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:09,300
I think a lot of people, a lot of companies are like, like to help young, like.

422
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:16,180
My main advice to graduates is to not be afraid to say you don't understand things.

423
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:17,540
It's laughable.

424
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,780
It's like I go on about this all the time.

425
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:20,660
It annoys me.

426
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:22,980
Don't learn if you don't know.

427
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:25,460
Don't learn if you don't know.

428
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:29,860
So you have to say you don't know what you're doing to be able to learn.

429
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:31,860
I am six years in this sector.

430
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:32,500
I still don't know.

431
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:32,980
Oh, actually.

432
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:35,700
We're just, we're just living, living a little prayer.

433
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:40,900
We're just 20, 27 and 20, I'm taught by seven, 26.

434
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:44,260
26 and 28 year old teenagers.

435
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:45,060
Teenagers.

436
00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:48,420
Uh, but you know, okay, that's good.

437
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:53,140
Well, like yours is actually quite insightful and like, you know, it's like quite encouraging

438
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:53,940
to people.

439
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:57,780
Mine was always be certain when they show you inserts.

440
00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:58,340
Hmm.

441
00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:00,340
Yeah. Nice way to round it off.

442
00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:01,220
Nice way to round it off.

443
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:02,580
I want to clarify that as well.

444
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:08,420
When you get into the sector, you're an EPC, every EPC you lodge up into the system, it

445
00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:12,180
gets QA'd or it can get like queried by an external body.

446
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:14,580
So you have to prepare evidence.

447
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:20,180
So yeah, that, that's why I feel like, you know, I feel like mine's more an inside one.

448
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:22,180
Like, you know, people on the inside get it.

449
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:28,100
You've seen, you know, whenever you upload your, you upload your EPCs, you know,

450
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,820
EPC for an thumbs up down the bottom.

451
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:35,060
If you are unhappy with your EPC, it's contact us, call me, address.

452
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:37,300
I don't know.

453
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,980
What if you're happy about it?

454
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:41,300
Yeah. What about if you're just, if you're happy, but

455
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:42,980
What if you wanted to say job well done?

456
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:46,660
Here, that, I see that EPC you did.

457
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:47,460
You just lodged.

458
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:47,700
Yeah.

459
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:48,500
Really loved it.

460
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:48,980
Good job.

461
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:52,020
Your system efficiency, like, you know, wow.

462
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:53,940
How did you do that?

464
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:55,940
Can you show me?

465
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:56,580
Can you show me?

466
00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:59,620
This is the, like, I feel like

467
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:01,140
This is the delirium.

468
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:01,640
Yeah.

470
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:06,420
But yeah, that is all I have for you.

471
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:10,500
But wait, so again, thanks for coming on and you've been really interesting to talk to

472
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:11,940
and you will most certainly be back.

473
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:14,500
Yeah, can't wait to come back.

474
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,000
Bye.

475
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,980
But yeah, thanks for listening to Carbon Climates.

476
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:22,740
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477
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:28,820
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478
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:29,460
we might share.

479
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:31,540
Okay, but thanks for listening.

480
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:32,040
Bye.

481
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:53,080
Bye.