Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated
to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability while pointing out what's
getting hot, aside from our planet.
I'm your host Aine and today I'm joined with my Carbon Climate and co-host Hannah, who
I will be introducing shortly.
So before we get on today's topic, Hannah, how's your week been and can you tell us a
bit about yourself?
Yeah, my week's been pretty good, besides the weather is absolutely terrible at the
moment.
And then I'm flying home tomorrow, so I don't know what the weather's like in England.
Exciting, exciting.
Yeah, are you looking forward to going home?
Yeah, I haven't been home in a while, so wait that's not true, it was like two weeks ago.
It's just sad that I was like, that's completely...
Yeah, it's like, wow, just a full face lie.
Yeah, I just straight up lied to you about it.
It was like two weeks ago.
Yeah, no, I'm really looking forward to going home, see the dog and obviously my family
as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, looking forward to it.
That's nice.
And you're flying home to England as well, aren't you?
Yes, I'm flying tomorrow, yeah, no, I'm flying tomorrow.
What time's your flight?
Are we gonna fly at the same time?
I think it's like, oh, I'm in late, I'm going to late.
I know, but we're both gonna fly from Bellevue.
I think my flights were in six or seven.
Mine's at eight.
We might be there at the same time.
I'll see you at the bar, like I'll see you.
So you can buy me a drink?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My dad will be there, you're like...
Wait, no, serious?
Yeah.
Can you buy now when it is?
I'm gonna look it up later.
Yeah, I'll text you tonight.
Yeah, okay.
I'm looking forward to it.
But yes, no, anyways.
Yeah, cute.
So can you tell us a bit about your job title and job role?
So I'm a sustainability engineer, that's spelled S-U-S.
It's actually a really hard spell.
You know what, I always get like that.
You should probably learn how to spell this.
I've been a sustainability engineer for one year, 11 months.
Wow.
For nearly two years.
You didn't round that up, did you?
No, you just wanted to be one year.
I was gonna do it like how I would say babies.
It's like, I've been here for nearly three months.
Yeah.
That's, yeah.
Okay, here we go.
So nearly two years, it's blown in.
It really has.
Yeah.
That's really good.
And did you always want to be in this sector?
See, at school, what did you ever envisage yourself doing?
Well, I'll be honest with you, I didn't know what this job was until I applied for it.
I didn't really know what this job was in my interview.
Yeah.
So like, I couldn't have told you that this job existed before I got to my masters and
was looking for a job at the end of it.
And then this came up through the university.
And I just sort of applied for it based on the fact that if it was being offered to our
masters, it was probably specific to us.
But it's not something I ever thought I would be doing.
I was definitely more geography based growing up and throughout my undergrad.
So this is not a career I expected to see myself in.
But you've got no regrets, like you're so happy you're in it now.
I really enjoy telling people I'm an engineer.
Sounds really smart.
Women in STEM.
Like me, Mum and Dad have no idea what I do.
So yeah, I do really enjoy it.
Absolutely.
Okay, that's class.
Oh, brilliant.
Thanks for that, Hannah.
And now we're going to move on to today's topic.
So Hannah, I have one question for you.
Why was the solar panel anxious?
I'm not sure why.
It was all hot and bothered.
That was really good.
Yeah, yeah, you like that.
Where did you get that from?
Go back and do it.
Just like, you know, I typed in slow jokes to Google.
I didn't get the first one, obviously.
Yeah, yeah, first one.
It's just like brilliant.
Yeah, this will do, this will do.
Okay, hopefully that got you amped up.
That was another way of doing it.
I just thought I'd slip that in.
Because that brings us to our topic today of renewables
with this specific, specific forecast title.
And I've had this title for a while.
I'm really happy I'm going to use it now.
But it's called Renew, Enable, Lotta Gas.
So have you heard the term, like, what a gas?
Like gas?
As in like a funny?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So, you know, I thought that was pretty clever of me, I have to say.
Pretty clever.
I'm not looking for prayers or anything, like, you know, it's fine.
Just stare at me like this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, in my opinion, it's like...
No, honestly, it's the best title I've heard.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So, yes, anyway, on to the serious stuff.
The serious stuff, okay.
So the UK became the first major economy to commit to a 1000% reduction
in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
This net zero target represents a significant step change
in the commitment to address the climate crisis.
One of the ways we see this being done is through the use of renewables.
As sustainability engineers assessing a development,
we often get asked questions regarding renewable installation
and quite often get asked to carry out feasibility studies.
See, hopefully you can tell me this, Hannah,
when do we see renewables first make an appearance in the development design?
It will be literally stage one, stage two.
Stage one, planning, that's right.
You know what, I've got that on my script, that's right, planning.
That's right.
This wasn't rehearsed or anything.
It's like I've got my script written now.
So it is often at the planning stage.
And this is when the application to construct a building in a certain spot
where renewable technologies are discussed about the installation for developments.
They are often found in reports that we as sustainability engineers
get asked to create, which are called energy statements.
A brief overview of an energy statement shows an introduction to the development,
a statement of local planning policies and how the development meets them,
and then carbon reduction results and calculations.
So Hannah, what exact process do you go through
when assessing different renewables for a building in an energy statement?
I guess the first place I start would be the local plan of the council.
You know, you can pretty easily find out what council the development's in.
Just Google search or something like that.
And then I'll just go straight to the council website
and go to the local plan and look for the targets.
You know, a lot of boroughs and councils, especially London,
have specific targets that need to be met.
Also, some other things you might want to just umbrella is like briam.
You know, you want to check, is there a briam criteria that needs to be met as well?
Just all the things that have been explicitly mentioned in the local plan.
And then from that, I'll look at talking to the architect about some new values
because you want to start with the fabric as well.
You'll find a lot of architects will sort of say your minimum requirements and then...
Often, yeah, that is like...
I think we as energy sensors, we often want to try and get better than that.
We do, yeah.
And that's something that you'll find architects might push back on.
But usually that's the starting point.
You know, go to the local plan and then go to the architects.
And then from that, you know, your energy strategy,
I've found from doing a couple of them now
that you kind of know the gist of where you're going based on the type of building.
So like, you know, with an office, you're probably going to get
a VRF, like an air conditioning system, maybe like electric hot water,
and then, I don't know, so open air handling unit, student accommodations.
You might get like electric heating.
You kind of know what you might go for.
But then at this point, you'll talk to the mechanical electrical team.
It's not too specific, but it's, you know, you get an idea.
That's where I'd start really and then sort of work my way through the policies
and then, you know, look at part L, depending on where we are,
section six, part F, and to see and work on the model and see if we can get there.
And the model, the Builder model, and like likes of SPM or SAP model,
which we have talked about in other podcasts.
I'm actually not too sure if it'll be this podcast or it'll be like...
Yeah, whether it'll be posted.
Yeah, yeah.
I was like, I haven't recorded that one yet, but...
What crisis the world's going to be in.
But yeah, that's the thing.
And it's really interesting with planning policies and applications
for developments, our bit, the energy statement, usually we come out with,
if it's a large development, we come out with a carbon reduction like figure.
So we say the development with these was able to achieve this percentage
carbon reduction.
And often that figure is carried all the way through the design right until
the very end, like the as-built stage where we have to recalculate again.
And it's not as good.
And see, yeah, like, and actually see, did we actually make that?
Yeah.
And it's like, oh, boy.
I guess that's like the importance with renewables as well.
You know, like once you put that into planning, that needs to be carried
the whole way through.
Yeah.
And that can be quite tricky at the end if people don't look at the planning.
A lot of people don't look at it.
Yeah.
So you're just right.
Cool.
That's very good.
So you've been doing that during your time as a sustainability engineer.
What sort of training or prep do you recommend for entering this role or
completing these reports or just your role in general?
I guess if I start specific with energy statements, a lot of it is going to be
reading, you know, like just reading around the topic.
Like I said, the local plan part L, you're like, if you're doing non-domestic
and non-domestic compliance guide, basically just checking that everything's
compliant before it goes into planning because, you know, it's going to be
checked against them targets.
And then also I found reading previous energy statements, you know, we work in
a team that as a team, we've done a lot of energy statements over the years.
So it doesn't hurt to look at what like a colleague has done previously and
just adapt it to the project.
So it's quite heavy, especially when you are going through the policies, a lot
of reading, writing, but that's why I think it's good.
I like to get up maybe a previous energy statement or something that's been
done in maybe the same council or the same building use.
And then you can kind of use it to adapt to your development.
Yeah.
And then I guess for the whole job, it's like it's a learn on the job type of
position, I think.
I didn't come to this role with any experience, I think, really, besides maybe
some like writing, report writing and things like that, you know, that you'd
pick up in uni.
I think everything I'd learned is really just throwing myself into the position.
That's so impressive.
Yeah.
Like, I think you would have to agree probably the same.
Oh, yeah.
Like literally I was more on the practical side before, like when I'm looking at
like assessing solar panels or installation, I was actually on the, I used
to work for a company that installs solar panels.
Yeah, you were on the other side.
Yeah, yeah, I was on the other side.
Yeah.
But yeah, I would say that and really just, you just pick up as you go through
it.
And obviously there's a lot of reading.
It can, you know, the reading can definitely be a bit overwhelming, but that's
why I find that it's easier to kind of work and read at the same time, pick it
up as you go along.
So yeah, that's what I think anyway.
You're like wrong.
We're going to start that again.
Yeah, can you do that again?
No, that's brilliant.
Yeah, no, that's really good to hear.
Thanks very much.
Okay.
Well, Hannah, now it is time for a wee fun section of the podcast.
Now it's time for a fun section.
We're 12 minutes in.
So this is called the It Ain't Easy to Be Green section.
My favourite section.
Your favourite section.
Yeah.
And it's, see, I hope this is something that when you first listen to the title of
this section, you're like, why is it called that?
But then as you progress in your sustainability engineering career, you'll see the
words be green so much more often and you would get it.
Like, you know.
You would get it.
Imagine if I didn't get it.
My laptop battery wasn't on, that is my bad.
But I think it's the It Ain't Easy to Be Green section.
So I'm just going to give you some energy statement and renewable facts.
I want to focus on renewables.
I feel like we've covered a lot on energy statements.
So just want to shit out some.
Just want to be fun to joke about.
But yes.
So how many renewable sources make up our national grid?
Do you know?
And you don't have to know, I'm going to tell you anyway.
Do I get to keep my job at the end of this?
Yes, it will be reviewed.
OK.
Are we talking like biomass or you being like specific, like nuclear?
More specific.
That does help.
I've got four in total.
Oh, four.
OK.
You just told me straight away.
So you win solar hydroelectric by it.
So you just put like nuclear and stuff all into the same bracket.
OK.
Interesting.
The one we probably see the most is solar.
Solar.
Yeah.
I wouldn't see much wind turbines.
Have you?
I don't know.
Have you seen many?
You know what?
I used to see them quite a bit.
Yeah.
Just driving.
Like just driving.
Just seeing them in the ocean.
Yeah.
I wouldn't see many like in a project.
They're probably just too big.
One of the nature walks I go on.
I say nature walks.
One of the walks I go on in Ballyclare direction.
You go up this big hill.
Yeah.
And you can see out, you know, Cape Hill.
It's pretty much like behind that.
It's familiar.
Yeah.
Like it's like, you know, Cape Hill, where we are.
We're based.
I, you know what?
I just want to let you know that someone who did geography has the worst geographical knowledge
about where I am.
I'm really bad at orientating.
I can say like, yeah, so you know, Cork, Fergus, it's five minutes away.
You know, when you take the five rocks and then you walk northeast towards the pond.
And you're just like, absolutely.
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
But yes.
So the four main renewable sources that make up our national grid are wind, solar, hydroelectric
and bioenergy.
Okay.
So you are right.
I think solar is the one we would deal with.
Yeah.
The photovoltaic.
How do you even say it?
Photovoltaic.
Yeah.
I just say PV.
I'm just going to say PV.
PV.
What the industry knows is PV.
PV.
But I don't think you would know if you didn't work in the industry.
If you said PV to me, I wouldn't know what that was.
I could perform this job.
What about solar panels?
Solar panels, yes.
Yeah.
And see, the ones that everyone knows.
Yeah.
See, this thing, because like, so there's like, there's different terms and they're
non-exclusive to each other.
So solar panel can mean solar thermal.
Yeah.
And like solar electric panels.
Yeah.
And then PV, photovoltaics, it's mainly for electric.
And then solar thermal, that's for, it's a panel, but it generates heat instead of
power.
Yeah.
This is the thing I've noticed, like whenever I tell people, I'm like, this is my job, like
in my, this field, everyone loves to be like, oh, I was thinking of getting PV, no solar
panels in my room.
Yeah.
Don't do it, it's not worth it.
Come on.
Are you trying to impress me?
Get a wind turbine on your roof and then I'll hang it up.
Better luck then, come talk to me.
Yeah.
That's what I think, is it?
It's like, just one solar panel in your roof?
How about, um...
What about a hundred?
My roof isn't big enough.
Well, that's not my problem.
Yeah, that's not my problem.
How about you extend your roof?
How about the energy?
How about the environment?
Yeah.
Never mind the like, embodied carbon thing.
Yeah.
It's like a structure of a house.
Yeah, I know.
That's always the thing.
I don't think people would know like, PV panels.
I think I would be the one that definitely comes up the most in our field.
And then maybe, yeah, like in the general public, people would know a lot more.
And I guess wind turbines, people would know about like wind farms and you'd see a lot
of them like when I fly over.
Yeah.
Where you can, they're in the sea.
Yeah.
No, sorry, that makes me pick up about the wee place.
I go for two for walks by Claire.
For this view, I'll get the name of it the next time you're on.
And I'll definitely do the walk.
But it's a big walk and it has an incline and I don't like my inclines, but when you
get to the top, you see like so many wind turbines.
It's really beautiful.
See, I told you like my mum is scared of wind turbines, haven't I?
Yes, yes.
They're too big.
It's one of those things.
They're too big.
She said they're too big.
They are actually massive.
They're really, really big.
You know what?
There's a word for that.
Megaphobia.
I think so.
Thalmophobia, I think that's the ocean one.
I think, isn't it megalophobic?
Megalophobic because I just keep on seeing that on TikTok.
Yeah, because you see.
And that it just shows big items.
I didn't think I had that until I watched them TikToks and I'm like, I actually have
this thing.
It's like, maybe I do.
Yeah, it was really scary.
Yeah.
OK.
But yeah, for the National Grid, so those four main renewable sources, along with many
other ones, when you look into those sectors, contribute renewable energy to the National
Grid.
What this does is this brings the carbon factor off the National Grid down.
What carbon factor is pretty much how many kilograms of carbon are emitted into the atmosphere
for every kilowatt hour generated.
So it's a good indicator in how well we're doing.
There's actually a fun way up.
I use called Energy Watch, GB, and it tells you all the sources that are making up the
electric at that moment.
I think you've showed me this.
Yeah, I think I've showed that to you.
Yeah, I have definitely seen that.
Because we like when we like, you know, we're taking a bit of a break from work, we work
a little off energy sources.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what we do.
A bit topical.
Yeah, that's what we do in our downtime.
We make energy podcasts.
So OK, back to the it ain't easy being green, to be green section.
Can you tell me what happened in December 2021 for Northern Ireland?
There was an energy crisis.
That was correct, correct.
But something happened in government.
The government fell apart.
Oh, but like, you know what?
You're not wrong.
I'm looking for something particularly.
And we literally just talked about it as.
But yeah, I don't know.
What are we talking about this at that when we're making tea?
Today?
Yeah.
OK, no, in December 2021.
It was really cold.
Yeah, probably, I'd say.
OK, but in December 2021, Northern Ireland published its first energy strategy, the energy
strategy, the path to net zero.
OK, I didn't realise that was so far.
I thought it was more recent.
There was a January 2020, January 2022 issue and then a June 2022 issue.
That's the one I think I was most familiar with.
Yeah, and they're kind of like they're kind of the same, but they felt like action plans
and oh, this is the pathway.
But there was like a lot of big talk about this for years.
And that's interesting because I didn't realise that it was 2021.
You know, I did the energy statement.
No, I will say December 2021.
So pretty much.
Pretty much 2022.
Yeah, because, you know, I had to write the energy statement for one of the Bellpass jobs.
I think it's one of the first ones we've done.
Yes, yes.
There was no guidance, which was interesting.
And so it doesn't reference the energy hierarchy that we would most often write about in our
statements.
This is the thing.
What I will say, even though this is the first energy strategy for Northern Ireland, good,
but it's not perfect.
Like when we look at energy strategies or energy plans for other boroughs, like in London
or like regions in the UK, they're developed and they set out clear targets.
Yeah, where like specifically for building and constructing.
I will say like R1, even though it does covers building, but like it seems to be everything's
under an envelope.
It kind of like vaguely says, you know, like you need to consider like a passive, like
a fabric first approach.
It's sort of like a very woolly sort of like, you know, I guess energy hierarchy.
It's not as explicit as you would see in the likes of London or even Manchester has a very
clear energy strategy.
Yeah.
And like, say there's so many you've worked on, you know you've been around the block.
Been around the world.
But you don't speak the language.
Been around the regions of the UK.
Yeah.
I mean, it's good for Northern Ireland.
You know, it's definitely becoming way more important.
I think people are realising how important they are.
Like builders and contractors, people you probably wouldn't have been that interested
in energy statements.
I don't think they want to see them.
They want to read them.
They want to see them, yeah.
Whereas they wouldn't, I don't think typically would have read them.
Now they actually want to be like, oh, does your building, do we produce our carbon?
That's great to hear.
So yes, the Northern Ireland, it was published by the Department of, I think it's the Department
of Economy, either the Department of Economy or Department of Finance.
I was thinking Department of Infrastructure.
But it was, like they definitely.
I think Department, D of A is really, I'm really saying D of A, so I'm thinking Department
of Economy.
Economy, okay, yeah.
I don't know.
I think you're right.
I'm probably wrong.
But this ends shortly, outline targets for different sectors and it sets a clear pathway
to meet the net zero targets, obviously we talked about at the start of the podcast.
And I'll post a link to anyone who's interested in reading that.
It's a really good read guys.
Yeah, it's a really good read.
It sends me.
It sends me right to sleep.
Yeah, it sends me right to sleep.
But why is this a big deal?
Because everywhere else in the UK has an energy plan and an energy statement requirement as
part of their local planning policy.
And I've seen some jobs, like some regions of the UK where they've had entry plans or
statements since way back, 2006.
Yeah.
And with this, like so with this strategy and plan finally being published, it is a
big push to get NI on the right direction of helping meet the net zero targets.
That's definitely important.
The next point of the 18EZ to be green section, we actually talked about a bit already, but
that's fine.
We can discuss.
So if you're ever completing an energy planning application in London, you most likely have
heard of the London Plan, which is a specific regional strategy for the boroughs of London
in order to help improve the future infrastructure and climate and energy use of the area.
So my question for you, can you guess when the London Plan was first published?
I don't know.
2017.
That's a good guess.
Unfortunately, no.
Unfortunately, wrong.
You know, think, think, but don't think this.
OK.
The mayor of London before Boris Johnson's time.
That doesn't mean anything to me.
You're from London.
You should know this.
2012.
OK.
Do you give up?
Yeah.
OK.
Would you believe it's actually 2004?
2004.
I didn't realise it went back that far.
That's really it's good.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So that's good.
I assume it was maybe just like it was maybe like basic, but yeah, it was like your London
Plan 2021, you know, which is an extensive.
Yeah, I actually really like the London Plan.
I like that it gives you a very extensive guide, you know, because you find like a lot
of energy statements for like other councils that can't be willy and they don't really
tell you how they want them done.
They sort of say like we want you to show this carbon reduction.
But I do really like writing plans for London because they're like these are the things
you need to include, this is what you need to, you know, gives you like an example of
the baseline, things like that.
I really enjoy them.
No, that's it.
So can you guess who it was under for the Mayor of London at that time?
I couldn't even tell you the Mayor of London was.
It was a fellow called Ken Livingstone.
Yeah, I don't know who that is.
But yeah, so just under him, the London Plan came into fruition and it's supposed to be
a plan addressed by the Mayor of London, but we know it's everyone else in the sectors
of the planning that put it together.
But yeah, and like one of the chapters we're actually interested in, I think, is chapter,
I'm not going to name the chapter number, but it's response to climate adoption or
mitigation to climate change.
It usually changes those couple of words like every...
I know the policies that we would reference like called like SI1, SI2.
Yeah.
So that would be wrong.
But yeah, as you said, it's been updated every 34 years, so it's keeping up with the times.
And the most up to date version of the London Plan, there is a requirement of a 20% reduction
in carbon for the use of renewables.
So for your experience, what renewables do you think or have you found that helped make
this reduction in certain developments you have?
I actually...
You know what I'm going to say already, don't you?
An air source heat pump.
Yes, of course.
But that's actually...
Yeah, and you always find that in non-domestic buildings and yeah, like usually domestic
as well, they give it as well.
Well, like thinking of like the energy statement, like what we just worked on, I mean, that
was a significant reduction in...
It easily got it.
Like easily, as soon as you switched out that gas boiler to an air source heat pump, you
just... the reduction in carbon just was so significant.
And you would find the same, I think, for most non-domestic.
It's the first thing people think of, air source heat pump.
I think if not more favorable, the PV.
PV.
That's, yeah, that's very, like, yeah, that's very interesting.
Would you think that's air source heat pump as well?
Yes.
Wind turbine.
No, I think bio gas boiler.
But one of the things, one of the reasons I actually wanted to start this podcast, and
I know our phones are tailored towards us.
Like when we get articles, when we receive articles, they're tailored because they're
cookies.
I can't wait to get more articles about wind turbines.
Yes, exactly, because your phone is listening.
And I think it was maybe last year, I was just at home and this article popped up, I
won't say from which newspaper, in case this goes wrong.
Rise with the facts.
But it popped up, it's like, why heat pumps are a waste of money?
And this is like before, this is maybe the start of like maybe the big heat pump push.
Like we've been in the sector already at that time, heat pumps were a really big thing to
install in non-domestic buildings and they were giving us a good renewable outcome in
our energy simulations.
And so I read it and I was like, of course, this is written by like a reporter, like maybe
taking minimal input from...
Somebody who doesn't have the background knowledge.
Exactly, exactly.
And it just made me a bit angry because what that's going to do, and like this is a big
thing, like public opinion.
It's really important.
Yeah, because that article is like, people read that and they start to think, oh, heat
pumps.
They're so bad, but they don't even look into it further.
They just like have this thing where it's like, yeah, it's so bad.
And like public opinion spreads.
Like my auntie, she said, I think, like my auntie, hey Paula, if you're ever listening,
I remember her saying, oh yeah, air source heat pumps, sure they're too noisy in domestic
dwellings.
That's why so and so had to get hers taken out.
And I'm like, like, what is it?
Us as engineers, we would know that, but like people are discussing amongst themselves and
like, you know.
Well, my granddad was like, when we were looking to improve the EPC of his house, he was like,
should I get an air source heat pump?
And I was like, how would he even know what that is?
Because like it was being encouraged in the news, like, oh, everyone should get an air
source heat pump.
But I think like, you know, the big thing is like, yeah, if you don't have the background
knowledge, you know, it's something we both probably know about already.
It's like, you shouldn't really get an air source heat pump if you haven't got good thermal,
you know, good thermal fabric.
Yeah.
Because it's going to be.
And also another thing is people think it's going to save them money, but it's not because
electric is more expensive than gas.
That's you know what, that's actually another podcast episode in itself, the price of electric,
and we discuss it and like just.
But that's what I think people think.
They're like, oh, we'll get an air source heat pump and I will save myself money, but
you probably won't.
But you'll save, you know, it'll be your house will be more environmentally friendly.
Yeah, exactly.
It'll improve your, well, one thing it will help do, it will improve your EPC rating so
much.
And if it gets to the likes of a B or an A, that's really good for the likes of mortgage
rates.
A green mortgage.
I think it's an A or B for some of them.
Yeah.
Most, I think the average for Northern Ireland EPC houses are, are they a D?
I think it's a D or an E. D or an E, yeah.
Which is great to hear.
But I think if we get it, usually, unusually we produce Cs or Bs or like.
Yeah.
We go above average.
Above average.
And above average.
Below average.
But yeah.
No, but Hannah, thank you so much for today.
You've been really great to talk to.
And really, yeah, really interesting.
Really funny.
What is it?
Really funny.
You're really funny?
Yeah, me.
Yeah, yeah.
You're really funny.
You're great.
You're amazing.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Thanks so much.
But yeah, just before we go and sign off here, do you have any advice to prospective energy
modellers, assessors or future wannabe engineers?
I guess, well, you know, I didn't know what this was before I started.
I'd say just keep an open mind about like your prospective careers, if this renewable
energy sort of something that piques your interest, definitely look into it and don't
be overwhelmed if you come into this field and not know anything because we all have
to start at the beginning.
It's such a niche career to be in with the regulations constantly changing.
Every day is a learning day.
And that's just the way it will be if you work in this field.
I really like what you said that every day is a learning day because.
It really is.
And like, you know, it's everyone says it, but I would say this, you know, this industry
every day is a learning day.
Like I've been in the sector seven years and I'm still like, yeah, like someone will say
something or ask you for something and you're like, oh, I've never heard.
Yeah, yeah.
Just like I've even had like Alan, our boss say like, you know, he's been here the longest.
He hasn't come across it.
Some of you panic.
Well, I like brilliant.
That's grand.
Hopefully people take that like under wing.
Mine more is an advice.
It's more just a joke just to finish off.
I'm glad you're here to supply the jokes.
Yeah, really appreciate that.
So how do solar panels like their eggs?
Sunny side up.
That is actually good one.
Yeah, you like it.
I was going to say easy side up.
I don't know what I was going to say.
Thanks for having me on here.
I really, really enjoyed it actually.
Yeah, no, of course.
We'll definitely get you back.
Yeah, thank you.
I'm glad to be paid next time.
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