1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,080 to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability while pointing out what's 3 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,320 getting hot, aside from our planet. 4 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,920 I'm your host Aine and today I'm joined with my Carbon Climate and co-host Hannah, who 5 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,920 I will be introducing shortly. 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,520 So before we get on today's topic, Hannah, how's your week been and can you tell us a 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,520 bit about yourself? 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Yeah, my week's been pretty good, besides the weather is absolutely terrible at the 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,720 moment. 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,840 And then I'm flying home tomorrow, so I don't know what the weather's like in England. 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,840 Exciting, exciting. 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Yeah, are you looking forward to going home? 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,560 Yeah, I haven't been home in a while, so wait that's not true, it was like two weeks ago. 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,800 It's just sad that I was like, that's completely... 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,760 Yeah, it's like, wow, just a full face lie. 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Yeah, I just straight up lied to you about it. 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,760 It was like two weeks ago. 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,640 Yeah, no, I'm really looking forward to going home, see the dog and obviously my family 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,640 as well. 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Yeah, yeah. 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Yeah, looking forward to it. 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,640 That's nice. 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,840 And you're flying home to England as well, aren't you? 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Yes, I'm flying tomorrow, yeah, no, I'm flying tomorrow. 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,520 What time's your flight? 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Are we gonna fly at the same time? 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,880 I think it's like, oh, I'm in late, I'm going to late. 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,960 I know, but we're both gonna fly from Bellevue. 29 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,840 I think my flights were in six or seven. 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Mine's at eight. 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,840 We might be there at the same time. 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,840 I'll see you at the bar, like I'll see you. 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,840 So you can buy me a drink? 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,840 My dad will be there, you're like... 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Wait, no, serious? 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Yeah. 38 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Can you buy now when it is? 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,840 I'm gonna look it up later. 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Yeah, I'll text you tonight. 41 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,840 Yeah, okay. 42 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,840 I'm looking forward to it. 43 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 But yes, no, anyways. 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,840 Yeah, cute. 45 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,840 So can you tell us a bit about your job title and job role? 46 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,840 So I'm a sustainability engineer, that's spelled S-U-S. 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,840 It's actually a really hard spell. 48 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,840 You know what, I always get like that. 49 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,840 You should probably learn how to spell this. 50 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,840 I've been a sustainability engineer for one year, 11 months. 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,840 Wow. 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,840 For nearly two years. 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,840 You didn't round that up, did you? 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:24,840 No, you just wanted to be one year. 55 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,840 I was gonna do it like how I would say babies. 56 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,840 It's like, I've been here for nearly three months. 57 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Yeah. 58 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,840 That's, yeah. 59 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Okay, here we go. 60 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,840 So nearly two years, it's blown in. 61 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:36,840 It really has. 62 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Yeah. 63 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,840 Yeah. 64 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,840 That's really good. 65 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,840 And did you always want to be in this sector? 66 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,840 See, at school, what did you ever envisage yourself doing? 67 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,840 Well, I'll be honest with you, I didn't know what this job was until I applied for it. 68 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,840 I didn't really know what this job was in my interview. 69 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Yeah. 70 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,840 So like, I couldn't have told you that this job existed before I got to my masters and 71 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,840 was looking for a job at the end of it. 72 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,840 And then this came up through the university. 73 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,840 And I just sort of applied for it based on the fact that if it was being offered to our 74 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,840 masters, it was probably specific to us. 75 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,840 But it's not something I ever thought I would be doing. 76 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,840 I was definitely more geography based growing up and throughout my undergrad. 77 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,840 So this is not a career I expected to see myself in. 78 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,840 But you've got no regrets, like you're so happy you're in it now. 79 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,840 I really enjoy telling people I'm an engineer. 80 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Sounds really smart. 81 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,840 Women in STEM. 82 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,840 Like me, Mum and Dad have no idea what I do. 83 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,840 So yeah, I do really enjoy it. 84 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Absolutely. 85 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,840 Okay, that's class. 86 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Oh, brilliant. 87 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Thanks for that, Hannah. 88 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,840 And now we're going to move on to today's topic. 89 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,840 So Hannah, I have one question for you. 90 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,840 Why was the solar panel anxious? 91 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Why was the solar panel anxious? 92 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,840 I'm not sure why. 93 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,840 It was all hot and bothered. 94 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,840 That was really good. 95 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:02,840 Yeah, yeah, you like that. 96 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Where did you get that from? 97 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,840 Go back and do it. 98 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,840 Just like, you know, I typed in slow jokes to Google. 99 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:08,840 I didn't get the first one, obviously. 100 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,840 Yeah, yeah, first one. 101 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:11,840 It's just like brilliant. 102 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Yeah, this will do, this will do. 103 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Okay, hopefully that got you amped up. 104 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:19,840 That was another way of doing it. 105 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:21,840 I just thought I'd slip that in. 106 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:26,840 Because that brings us to our topic today of renewables 107 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:30,840 with this specific, specific forecast title. 108 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,840 And I've had this title for a while. 109 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,840 I'm really happy I'm going to use it now. 110 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,840 But it's called Renew, Enable, Lotta Gas. 111 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,840 So have you heard the term, like, what a gas? 112 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:41,840 Like gas? 113 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:42,840 As in like a funny? 114 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:44,840 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 115 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,840 So, you know, I thought that was pretty clever of me, I have to say. 116 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:49,840 Pretty clever. 117 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,840 I'm not looking for prayers or anything, like, you know, it's fine. 118 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,840 Just stare at me like this. 119 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:55,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 120 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:56,840 And like, in my opinion, it's like... 121 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:58,840 No, honestly, it's the best title I've heard. 122 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,840 Yeah, yeah, okay. 123 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,840 So, yes, anyway, on to the serious stuff. 124 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:04,840 The serious stuff, okay. 125 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:09,840 So the UK became the first major economy to commit to a 1000% reduction 126 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,840 in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. 127 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:17,840 This net zero target represents a significant step change 128 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,840 in the commitment to address the climate crisis. 129 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:25,840 One of the ways we see this being done is through the use of renewables. 130 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,840 As sustainability engineers assessing a development, 131 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,840 we often get asked questions regarding renewable installation 132 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,840 and quite often get asked to carry out feasibility studies. 133 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,840 See, hopefully you can tell me this, Hannah, 134 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:42,840 when do we see renewables first make an appearance in the development design? 135 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,840 It will be literally stage one, stage two. 136 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:46,840 Stage one, planning, that's right. 137 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,840 You know what, I've got that on my script, that's right, planning. 138 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:50,840 That's right. 139 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,840 This wasn't rehearsed or anything. 140 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,840 It's like I've got my script written now. 141 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,840 So it is often at the planning stage. 142 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,840 And this is when the application to construct a building in a certain spot 143 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:06,840 where renewable technologies are discussed about the installation for developments. 144 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:10,840 They are often found in reports that we as sustainability engineers 145 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,840 get asked to create, which are called energy statements. 146 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:18,840 A brief overview of an energy statement shows an introduction to the development, 147 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:23,840 a statement of local planning policies and how the development meets them, 148 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,840 and then carbon reduction results and calculations. 149 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,840 So Hannah, what exact process do you go through 150 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:33,840 when assessing different renewables for a building in an energy statement? 151 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,840 I guess the first place I start would be the local plan of the council. 152 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:42,840 You know, you can pretty easily find out what council the development's in. 153 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:44,840 Just Google search or something like that. 154 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,840 And then I'll just go straight to the council website 155 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,840 and go to the local plan and look for the targets. 156 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,840 You know, a lot of boroughs and councils, especially London, 157 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,840 have specific targets that need to be met. 158 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,840 Also, some other things you might want to just umbrella is like briam. 159 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,840 You know, you want to check, is there a briam criteria that needs to be met as well? 160 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,840 Just all the things that have been explicitly mentioned in the local plan. 161 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:16,840 And then from that, I'll look at talking to the architect about some new values 162 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,840 because you want to start with the fabric as well. 163 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,840 You'll find a lot of architects will sort of say your minimum requirements and then... 164 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,840 Often, yeah, that is like... 165 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,840 I think we as energy sensors, we often want to try and get better than that. 166 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,840 We do, yeah. 167 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,840 And that's something that you'll find architects might push back on. 168 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,840 But usually that's the starting point. 169 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,840 You know, go to the local plan and then go to the architects. 170 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,840 And then from that, you know, your energy strategy, 171 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,840 I've found from doing a couple of them now 172 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 that you kind of know the gist of where you're going based on the type of building. 173 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,840 So like, you know, with an office, you're probably going to get 174 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:01,840 a VRF, like an air conditioning system, maybe like electric hot water, 175 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,840 and then, I don't know, so open air handling unit, student accommodations. 176 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,840 You might get like electric heating. 177 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,840 You kind of know what you might go for. 178 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,840 But then at this point, you'll talk to the mechanical electrical team. 179 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,840 It's not too specific, but it's, you know, you get an idea. 180 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,840 That's where I'd start really and then sort of work my way through the policies 181 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,840 and then, you know, look at part L, depending on where we are, 182 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,840 section six, part F, and to see and work on the model and see if we can get there. 183 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,840 And the model, the Builder model, and like likes of SPM or SAP model, 184 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,840 which we have talked about in other podcasts. 185 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,840 I'm actually not too sure if it'll be this podcast or it'll be like... 186 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:43,840 Yeah, whether it'll be posted. 187 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,840 Yeah, yeah. 188 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,840 I was like, I haven't recorded that one yet, but... 189 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,840 What crisis the world's going to be in. 190 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,840 But yeah, that's the thing. 191 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,840 And it's really interesting with planning policies and applications 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,840 for developments, our bit, the energy statement, usually we come out with, 193 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,840 if it's a large development, we come out with a carbon reduction like figure. 194 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,840 So we say the development with these was able to achieve this percentage 195 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,840 carbon reduction. 196 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,840 And often that figure is carried all the way through the design right until 197 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,840 the very end, like the as-built stage where we have to recalculate again. 198 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,840 And it's not as good. 199 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,840 And see, yeah, like, and actually see, did we actually make that? 200 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Yeah. 201 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,840 And it's like, oh, boy. 202 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,840 I guess that's like the importance with renewables as well. 203 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,840 You know, like once you put that into planning, that needs to be carried 204 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,840 the whole way through. 205 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Yeah. 206 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,840 And that can be quite tricky at the end if people don't look at the planning. 207 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,840 A lot of people don't look at it. 208 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:41,840 Yeah. 209 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:42,840 So you're just right. 210 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Cool. 211 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,840 That's very good. 212 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,840 So you've been doing that during your time as a sustainability engineer. 213 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,840 What sort of training or prep do you recommend for entering this role or 214 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,840 completing these reports or just your role in general? 215 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,840 I guess if I start specific with energy statements, a lot of it is going to be 216 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,840 reading, you know, like just reading around the topic. 217 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Like I said, the local plan part L, you're like, if you're doing non-domestic 218 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,840 and non-domestic compliance guide, basically just checking that everything's 219 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,840 compliant before it goes into planning because, you know, it's going to be 220 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,840 checked against them targets. 221 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,840 And then also I found reading previous energy statements, you know, we work in 222 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,840 a team that as a team, we've done a lot of energy statements over the years. 223 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,840 So it doesn't hurt to look at what like a colleague has done previously and 224 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,840 just adapt it to the project. 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,840 So it's quite heavy, especially when you are going through the policies, a lot 226 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,840 of reading, writing, but that's why I think it's good. 227 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,840 I like to get up maybe a previous energy statement or something that's been 228 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,840 done in maybe the same council or the same building use. 229 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,840 And then you can kind of use it to adapt to your development. 230 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,840 Yeah. 231 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,840 And then I guess for the whole job, it's like it's a learn on the job type of 232 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,840 position, I think. 233 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,840 I didn't come to this role with any experience, I think, really, besides maybe 234 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,840 some like writing, report writing and things like that, you know, that you'd 235 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,840 pick up in uni. 236 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,840 I think everything I'd learned is really just throwing myself into the position. 237 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,840 That's so impressive. 238 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:17,840 Yeah. 239 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,840 Like, I think you would have to agree probably the same. 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,840 Oh, yeah. 241 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,840 Like literally I was more on the practical side before, like when I'm looking at 242 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,840 like assessing solar panels or installation, I was actually on the, I used 243 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,840 to work for a company that installs solar panels. 244 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,840 Yeah, you were on the other side. 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Yeah, yeah, I was on the other side. 246 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,840 Yeah. 247 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,840 But yeah, I would say that and really just, you just pick up as you go through 248 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,840 it. 249 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,840 And obviously there's a lot of reading. 250 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,840 It can, you know, the reading can definitely be a bit overwhelming, but that's 251 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,840 why I find that it's easier to kind of work and read at the same time, pick it 252 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,840 up as you go along. 253 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,840 So yeah, that's what I think anyway. 254 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,840 You're like wrong. 255 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,840 We're going to start that again. 256 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Yeah, can you do that again? 257 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,840 No, that's brilliant. 258 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,840 Yeah, no, that's really good to hear. 259 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Thanks very much. 260 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,840 Okay. 261 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Well, Hannah, now it is time for a wee fun section of the podcast. 262 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,840 Now it's time for a fun section. 263 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,840 Now it's time for a fun section. 264 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,840 We're 12 minutes in. 265 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,840 So this is called the It Ain't Easy to Be Green section. 266 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,840 My favourite section. 267 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Your favourite section. 268 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Yeah. 269 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,840 And it's, see, I hope this is something that when you first listen to the title of 270 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,840 this section, you're like, why is it called that? 271 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,840 But then as you progress in your sustainability engineering career, you'll see the 272 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,840 words be green so much more often and you would get it. 273 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,840 Like, you know. 274 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:45,840 You would get it. 275 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Imagine if I didn't get it. 276 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,840 My laptop battery wasn't on, that is my bad. 277 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,840 But I think it's the It Ain't Easy to Be Green section. 278 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,840 So I'm just going to give you some energy statement and renewable facts. 279 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,840 I want to focus on renewables. 280 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,840 I feel like we've covered a lot on energy statements. 281 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,840 So just want to shit out some. 282 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Just want to be fun to joke about. 283 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,840 But yes. 284 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,840 So how many renewable sources make up our national grid? 285 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,840 Do you know? 286 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,840 And you don't have to know, I'm going to tell you anyway. 287 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Do I get to keep my job at the end of this? 288 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,840 Yes, it will be reviewed. 289 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,840 OK. 290 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,840 OK. 291 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:25,840 Are we talking like biomass or you being like specific, like nuclear? 292 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,840 More specific. 293 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,840 That does help. 294 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,840 I've got four in total. 295 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Oh, four. 296 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,840 OK. 297 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,840 You just told me straight away. 298 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,840 So you win solar hydroelectric by it. 299 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,840 So you just put like nuclear and stuff all into the same bracket. 300 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,840 OK. 301 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Interesting. 302 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,840 The one we probably see the most is solar. 303 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:46,840 Solar. 304 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Yeah. 305 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Yeah. 306 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,840 I wouldn't see much wind turbines. 307 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,840 Have you? 308 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,840 I don't know. 309 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,840 Have you seen many? 310 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,840 You know what? 311 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,840 I used to see them quite a bit. 312 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Yeah. 313 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,840 Just driving. 314 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,840 Like just driving. 315 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Just seeing them in the ocean. 316 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Yeah. 317 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,840 I wouldn't see many like in a project. 318 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,840 They're probably just too big. 319 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,840 One of the nature walks I go on. 320 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,840 I say nature walks. 321 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,840 One of the walks I go on in Ballyclare direction. 322 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,840 You go up this big hill. 323 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Yeah. 324 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,840 And you can see out, you know, Cape Hill. 325 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,840 It's pretty much like behind that. 326 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,840 It's familiar. 327 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Yeah. 328 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,840 Like it's like, you know, Cape Hill, where we are. 329 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,840 We're based. 330 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:24,840 I, you know what? 331 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,840 I just want to let you know that someone who did geography has the worst geographical knowledge 332 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,840 about where I am. 333 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,840 I'm really bad at orientating. 334 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,840 I can say like, yeah, so you know, Cork, Fergus, it's five minutes away. 335 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,840 You know, when you take the five rocks and then you walk northeast towards the pond. 336 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:42,840 And you're just like, absolutely. 337 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Yeah. 338 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Yeah. 339 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Of course. 340 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,840 Of course. 341 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,840 Yeah. 342 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:48,840 But yes. 343 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,200 So the four main renewable sources that make up our national grid are wind, solar, hydroelectric 344 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,200 and bioenergy. 345 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Okay. 346 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,200 So you are right. 347 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,840 I think solar is the one we would deal with. 348 00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Yeah. 349 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:00,840 The photovoltaic. 350 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,840 How do you even say it? 351 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,840 Photovoltaic. 352 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Photovoltaic. 353 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Yeah. 354 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,840 I just say PV. 355 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 I'm just going to say PV. 356 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,840 PV. 357 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,840 What the industry knows is PV. 358 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:11,840 PV. 359 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,840 But I don't think you would know if you didn't work in the industry. 360 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,840 If you said PV to me, I wouldn't know what that was. 361 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,840 I could perform this job. 362 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,840 What about solar panels? 363 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Solar panels, yes. 364 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Yeah. 365 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:20,840 And see, the ones that everyone knows. 366 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Yeah. 367 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:27,840 See, this thing, because like, so there's like, there's different terms and they're 368 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,840 non-exclusive to each other. 369 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,840 So solar panel can mean solar thermal. 370 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,840 Yeah. 371 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,840 And like solar electric panels. 372 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Yeah. 373 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 And then PV, photovoltaics, it's mainly for electric. 374 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,840 And then solar thermal, that's for, it's a panel, but it generates heat instead of 375 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,840 power. 376 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Yeah. 377 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,840 This is the thing I've noticed, like whenever I tell people, I'm like, this is my job, like 378 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,840 in my, this field, everyone loves to be like, oh, I was thinking of getting PV, no solar 379 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:54,840 panels in my room. 380 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:55,840 Yeah. 381 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,840 Don't do it, it's not worth it. 382 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Come on. 383 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Are you trying to impress me? 384 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,840 Get a wind turbine on your roof and then I'll hang it up. 385 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,840 Better luck then, come talk to me. 386 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Yeah. 387 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,840 That's what I think, is it? 388 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,840 It's like, just one solar panel in your roof? 389 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,840 How about, um... 390 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,840 What about a hundred? 391 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,840 My roof isn't big enough. 392 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:13,840 Well, that's not my problem. 393 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Yeah, that's not my problem. 394 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,840 How about you extend your roof? 395 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:16,840 How about the energy? 396 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,840 How about the environment? 397 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Yeah. 398 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,840 Never mind the like, embodied carbon thing. 399 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Yeah. 400 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,840 It's like a structure of a house. 401 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,840 Yeah, I know. 402 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,840 That's always the thing. 403 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,840 I don't think people would know like, PV panels. 404 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:35,400 I think I would be the one that definitely comes up the most in our field. 405 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 And then maybe, yeah, like in the general public, people would know a lot more. 406 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,920 And I guess wind turbines, people would know about like wind farms and you'd see a lot 407 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,920 of them like when I fly over. 408 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,920 Yeah. 409 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:46,920 Where you can, they're in the sea. 410 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Yeah. 411 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,760 No, sorry, that makes me pick up about the wee place. 412 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,560 I go for two for walks by Claire. 413 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,240 For this view, I'll get the name of it the next time you're on. 414 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,000 And I'll definitely do the walk. 415 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,560 But it's a big walk and it has an incline and I don't like my inclines, but when you 416 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,920 get to the top, you see like so many wind turbines. 417 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,920 It's really beautiful. 418 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,000 See, I told you like my mum is scared of wind turbines, haven't I? 419 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Yes, yes. 420 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 They're too big. 421 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000 It's one of those things. 422 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000 They're too big. 423 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 She said they're too big. 424 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 They are actually massive. 425 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 They're really, really big. 426 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 You know what? 427 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 There's a word for that. 428 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Megaphobia. 429 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,720 I think so. 430 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,320 Thalmophobia, I think that's the ocean one. 431 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,320 I think, isn't it megalophobic? 432 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Megalophobic because I just keep on seeing that on TikTok. 433 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Yeah, because you see. 434 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,560 And that it just shows big items. 435 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,280 I didn't think I had that until I watched them TikToks and I'm like, I actually have 436 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,280 this thing. 437 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,280 It's like, maybe I do. 438 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Yeah, it was really scary. 439 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Yeah. 440 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Yeah. 441 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,280 OK. 442 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,360 But yeah, for the National Grid, so those four main renewable sources, along with many 443 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:54,280 other ones, when you look into those sectors, contribute renewable energy to the National 444 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,280 Grid. 445 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,360 What this does is this brings the carbon factor off the National Grid down. 446 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:07,760 What carbon factor is pretty much how many kilograms of carbon are emitted into the atmosphere 447 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,760 for every kilowatt hour generated. 448 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,040 So it's a good indicator in how well we're doing. 449 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,440 There's actually a fun way up. 450 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,920 I use called Energy Watch, GB, and it tells you all the sources that are making up the 451 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,520 electric at that moment. 452 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,520 I think you've showed me this. 453 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,240 Yeah, I think I've showed that to you. 454 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,240 Yeah, I have definitely seen that. 455 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Because we like when we like, you know, we're taking a bit of a break from work, we work 456 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,840 a little off energy sources. 457 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,840 Yeah, yeah. 458 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:33,840 That's what we do. 459 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,840 A bit topical. 460 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,840 Yeah, that's what we do in our downtime. 461 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,200 We make energy podcasts. 462 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:47,640 So OK, back to the it ain't easy being green, to be green section. 463 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Can you tell me what happened in December 2021 for Northern Ireland? 464 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,240 There was an energy crisis. 465 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,600 That was correct, correct. 466 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,520 But something happened in government. 467 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,000 The government fell apart. 468 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,320 Oh, but like, you know what? 469 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,320 You're not wrong. 470 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,320 You're not wrong. 471 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,480 I'm looking for something particularly. 472 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,560 And we literally just talked about it as. 473 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,360 But yeah, I don't know. 474 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:16,080 What are we talking about this at that when we're making tea? 475 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,080 Today? 476 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Yeah. 477 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,520 OK, no, in December 2021. 478 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,520 It was really cold. 479 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,400 Yeah, probably, I'd say. 480 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:32,680 OK, but in December 2021, Northern Ireland published its first energy strategy, the energy 481 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 strategy, the path to net zero. 482 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,720 OK, I didn't realise that was so far. 483 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,440 I thought it was more recent. 484 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,880 There was a January 2020, January 2022 issue and then a June 2022 issue. 485 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,560 That's the one I think I was most familiar with. 486 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,640 Yeah, and they're kind of like they're kind of the same, but they felt like action plans 487 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,480 and oh, this is the pathway. 488 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,360 But there was like a lot of big talk about this for years. 489 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:05,600 And that's interesting because I didn't realise that it was 2021. 490 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,400 You know, I did the energy statement. 491 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,960 No, I will say December 2021. 492 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:10,960 So pretty much. 493 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,960 Pretty much 2022. 494 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,560 Yeah, because, you know, I had to write the energy statement for one of the Bellpass jobs. 495 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,360 I think it's one of the first ones we've done. 496 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:21,360 Yes, yes. 497 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,080 There was no guidance, which was interesting. 498 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:32,160 And so it doesn't reference the energy hierarchy that we would most often write about in our 499 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,160 statements. 500 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,160 This is the thing. 501 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,040 What I will say, even though this is the first energy strategy for Northern Ireland, good, 502 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,040 but it's not perfect. 503 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:46,400 Like when we look at energy strategies or energy plans for other boroughs, like in London 504 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,320 or like regions in the UK, they're developed and they set out clear targets. 505 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Yeah, where like specifically for building and constructing. 506 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,520 I will say like R1, even though it does covers building, but like it seems to be everything's 507 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,520 under an envelope. 508 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,520 It kind of like vaguely says, you know, like you need to consider like a passive, like 509 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560 a fabric first approach. 510 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:15,680 It's sort of like a very woolly sort of like, you know, I guess energy hierarchy. 511 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,560 It's not as explicit as you would see in the likes of London or even Manchester has a very 512 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,560 clear energy strategy. 513 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Yeah. 514 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,320 And like, say there's so many you've worked on, you know you've been around the block. 515 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Been around the world. 516 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,600 But you don't speak the language. 517 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,600 Been around the regions of the UK. 518 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Yeah. 519 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,640 I mean, it's good for Northern Ireland. 520 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,160 You know, it's definitely becoming way more important. 521 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,440 I think people are realising how important they are. 522 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,720 Like builders and contractors, people you probably wouldn't have been that interested 523 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,720 in energy statements. 524 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,840 I don't think they want to see them. 525 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,840 They want to read them. 526 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,840 They want to see them, yeah. 527 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Whereas they wouldn't, I don't think typically would have read them. 528 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,840 Now they actually want to be like, oh, does your building, do we produce our carbon? 529 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,440 That's great to hear. 530 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,960 So yes, the Northern Ireland, it was published by the Department of, I think it's the Department 531 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,040 of Economy, either the Department of Economy or Department of Finance. 532 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,040 I was thinking Department of Infrastructure. 533 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 But it was, like they definitely. 534 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,560 I think Department, D of A is really, I'm really saying D of A, so I'm thinking Department 535 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,560 of Economy. 536 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,560 Economy, okay, yeah. 537 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,560 I don't know. 538 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,560 I think you're right. 539 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,560 I think you're right. 540 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,560 I'm probably wrong. 541 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,680 But this ends shortly, outline targets for different sectors and it sets a clear pathway 542 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,800 to meet the net zero targets, obviously we talked about at the start of the podcast. 543 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,200 And I'll post a link to anyone who's interested in reading that. 544 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,200 It's a really good read guys. 545 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Yeah, it's a really good read. 546 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,200 It sends me. 547 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,200 It sends me right to sleep. 548 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Yeah, it sends me right to sleep. 549 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080 But why is this a big deal? 550 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,440 Because everywhere else in the UK has an energy plan and an energy statement requirement as 551 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,560 part of their local planning policy. 552 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,040 And I've seen some jobs, like some regions of the UK where they've had entry plans or 553 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,920 statements since way back, 2006. 554 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,920 Yeah. 555 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:18,040 And with this, like so with this strategy and plan finally being published, it is a 556 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,400 big push to get NI on the right direction of helping meet the net zero targets. 557 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,400 That's definitely important. 558 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:32,280 The next point of the 18EZ to be green section, we actually talked about a bit already, but 559 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,280 that's fine. 560 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,520 We can discuss. 561 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,280 So if you're ever completing an energy planning application in London, you most likely have 562 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:44,880 heard of the London Plan, which is a specific regional strategy for the boroughs of London 563 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:54,240 in order to help improve the future infrastructure and climate and energy use of the area. 564 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,880 So my question for you, can you guess when the London Plan was first published? 565 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,880 I don't know. 566 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,880 2017. 567 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,720 That's a good guess. 568 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Unfortunately, no. 569 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,720 Unfortunately, wrong. 570 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,520 You know, think, think, but don't think this. 571 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,520 OK. 572 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,120 The mayor of London before Boris Johnson's time. 573 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,480 That doesn't mean anything to me. 574 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,480 You're from London. 575 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,480 You should know this. 576 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,480 2012. 577 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,480 OK. 578 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,480 Do you give up? 579 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,480 Yeah. 580 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,480 OK. 581 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Would you believe it's actually 2004? 582 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,480 2004. 583 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,400 I didn't realise it went back that far. 584 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,400 That's really it's good. 585 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,400 Interesting. 586 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,400 Yeah. 587 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,400 So that's good. 588 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,080 I assume it was maybe just like it was maybe like basic, but yeah, it was like your London 589 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,720 Plan 2021, you know, which is an extensive. 590 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Yeah, I actually really like the London Plan. 591 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,080 I like that it gives you a very extensive guide, you know, because you find like a lot 592 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,920 of energy statements for like other councils that can't be willy and they don't really 593 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,480 tell you how they want them done. 594 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440 They sort of say like we want you to show this carbon reduction. 595 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,440 But I do really like writing plans for London because they're like these are the things 596 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,120 you need to include, this is what you need to, you know, gives you like an example of 597 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,000 the baseline, things like that. 598 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,480 I really enjoy them. 599 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,960 No, that's it. 600 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,040 So can you guess who it was under for the Mayor of London at that time? 601 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,840 I couldn't even tell you the Mayor of London was. 602 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,720 It was a fellow called Ken Livingstone. 603 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah, I don't know who that is. 604 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:37,320 But yeah, so just under him, the London Plan came into fruition and it's supposed to be 605 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,320 a plan addressed by the Mayor of London, but we know it's everyone else in the sectors 606 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,200 of the planning that put it together. 607 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,400 But yeah, and like one of the chapters we're actually interested in, I think, is chapter, 608 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,740 I'm not going to name the chapter number, but it's response to climate adoption or 609 00:25:57,740 --> 00:25:59,040 mitigation to climate change. 610 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800 It usually changes those couple of words like every... 611 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,320 I know the policies that we would reference like called like SI1, SI2. 612 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Yeah. 613 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,880 So that would be wrong. 614 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:17,440 But yeah, as you said, it's been updated every 34 years, so it's keeping up with the times. 615 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:24,640 And the most up to date version of the London Plan, there is a requirement of a 20% reduction 616 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,900 in carbon for the use of renewables. 617 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:32,760 So for your experience, what renewables do you think or have you found that helped make 618 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,760 this reduction in certain developments you have? 619 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760 I actually... 620 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760 You know what I'm going to say already, don't you? 621 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,760 An air source heat pump. 622 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Yes, of course. 623 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,760 But that's actually... 624 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:49,920 Yeah, and you always find that in non-domestic buildings and yeah, like usually domestic 625 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,920 as well, they give it as well. 626 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,320 Well, like thinking of like the energy statement, like what we just worked on, I mean, that 627 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,920 was a significant reduction in... 628 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,920 It easily got it. 629 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,400 Like easily, as soon as you switched out that gas boiler to an air source heat pump, you 630 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,440 just... the reduction in carbon just was so significant. 631 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200 And you would find the same, I think, for most non-domestic. 632 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,880 It's the first thing people think of, air source heat pump. 633 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,960 I think if not more favorable, the PV. 634 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,960 PV. 635 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,960 That's, yeah, that's very, like, yeah, that's very interesting. 636 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,400 Would you think that's air source heat pump as well? 637 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,400 Yes. 638 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,400 Wind turbine. 639 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,840 No, I think bio gas boiler. 640 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,080 But one of the things, one of the reasons I actually wanted to start this podcast, and 641 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000 I know our phones are tailored towards us. 642 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,160 Like when we get articles, when we receive articles, they're tailored because they're 643 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,160 cookies. 644 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 I can't wait to get more articles about wind turbines. 645 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,360 Yes, exactly, because your phone is listening. 646 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:57,840 And I think it was maybe last year, I was just at home and this article popped up, I 647 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,520 won't say from which newspaper, in case this goes wrong. 648 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Rise with the facts. 649 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,040 But it popped up, it's like, why heat pumps are a waste of money? 650 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:17,680 And this is like before, this is maybe the start of like maybe the big heat pump push. 651 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,120 Like we've been in the sector already at that time, heat pumps were a really big thing to 652 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,440 install in non-domestic buildings and they were giving us a good renewable outcome in 653 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,400 our energy simulations. 654 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,480 And so I read it and I was like, of course, this is written by like a reporter, like maybe 655 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320 taking minimal input from... 656 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Somebody who doesn't have the background knowledge. 657 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Exactly, exactly. 658 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,040 And it just made me a bit angry because what that's going to do, and like this is a big 659 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,520 thing, like public opinion. 660 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,840 It's really important. 661 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,720 Yeah, because that article is like, people read that and they start to think, oh, heat 662 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,720 pumps. 663 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,760 They're so bad, but they don't even look into it further. 664 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,840 They just like have this thing where it's like, yeah, it's so bad. 665 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,320 And like public opinion spreads. 666 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Like my auntie, she said, I think, like my auntie, hey Paula, if you're ever listening, 667 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,480 I remember her saying, oh yeah, air source heat pumps, sure they're too noisy in domestic 668 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,480 dwellings. 669 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960 That's why so and so had to get hers taken out. 670 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,400 And I'm like, like, what is it? 671 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,320 Us as engineers, we would know that, but like people are discussing amongst themselves and 672 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,320 like, you know. 673 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,400 Well, my granddad was like, when we were looking to improve the EPC of his house, he was like, 674 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,920 should I get an air source heat pump? 675 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,360 And I was like, how would he even know what that is? 676 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120 Because like it was being encouraged in the news, like, oh, everyone should get an air 677 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,120 source heat pump. 678 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560 But I think like, you know, the big thing is like, yeah, if you don't have the background 679 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,120 knowledge, you know, it's something we both probably know about already. 680 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,120 It's like, you shouldn't really get an air source heat pump if you haven't got good thermal, 681 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,480 you know, good thermal fabric. 682 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Yeah. 683 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,480 Because it's going to be. 684 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,880 And also another thing is people think it's going to save them money, but it's not because 685 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360 electric is more expensive than gas. 686 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,440 That's you know what, that's actually another podcast episode in itself, the price of electric, 687 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,040 and we discuss it and like just. 688 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,480 But that's what I think people think. 689 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,240 They're like, oh, we'll get an air source heat pump and I will save myself money, but 690 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,240 you probably won't. 691 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,000 But you'll save, you know, it'll be your house will be more environmentally friendly. 692 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Yeah, exactly. 693 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,640 It'll improve your, well, one thing it will help do, it will improve your EPC rating so 694 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,640 much. 695 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,680 And if it gets to the likes of a B or an A, that's really good for the likes of mortgage 696 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,680 rates. 697 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,680 A green mortgage. 698 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,680 A green mortgage. 699 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,840 I think it's an A or B for some of them. 700 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Yeah. 701 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,760 Most, I think the average for Northern Ireland EPC houses are, are they a D? 702 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,960 I think it's a D or an E. D or an E, yeah. 703 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,520 Which is great to hear. 704 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,360 But I think if we get it, usually, unusually we produce Cs or Bs or like. 705 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,360 Yeah. 706 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,360 We go above average. 707 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,360 Above average. 708 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,360 And above average. 709 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Below average. 710 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,360 But yeah. 711 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,400 No, but Hannah, thank you so much for today. 712 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,120 You've been really great to talk to. 713 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,640 And really, yeah, really interesting. 714 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,640 Really funny. 715 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,640 What is it? 716 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Really funny. 717 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,640 You're really funny? 718 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Yeah, me. 719 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,640 Yeah, yeah. 720 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,640 You're really funny. 721 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,640 You're great. 722 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640 You're amazing. 723 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,640 Thank you. 724 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,640 Thanks. 725 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,640 Thanks so much. 726 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:30,640 But yeah, just before we go and sign off here, do you have any advice to prospective energy 727 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,000 modellers, assessors or future wannabe engineers? 728 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,360 I guess, well, you know, I didn't know what this was before I started. 729 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,440 I'd say just keep an open mind about like your prospective careers, if this renewable 730 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,920 energy sort of something that piques your interest, definitely look into it and don't 731 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,360 be overwhelmed if you come into this field and not know anything because we all have 732 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,480 to start at the beginning. 733 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,120 It's such a niche career to be in with the regulations constantly changing. 734 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,120 Every day is a learning day. 735 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,640 And that's just the way it will be if you work in this field. 736 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,120 I really like what you said that every day is a learning day because. 737 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,120 It really is. 738 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,800 And like, you know, it's everyone says it, but I would say this, you know, this industry 739 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,160 every day is a learning day. 740 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Like I've been in the sector seven years and I'm still like, yeah, like someone will say 741 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680 something or ask you for something and you're like, oh, I've never heard. 742 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680 Yeah, yeah. 743 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:28,000 Just like I've even had like Alan, our boss say like, you know, he's been here the longest. 744 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,800 He hasn't come across it. 745 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Some of you panic. 746 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Well, I like brilliant. 747 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,480 That's grand. 748 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760 Hopefully people take that like under wing. 749 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,180 Mine more is an advice. 750 00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:42,200 It's more just a joke just to finish off. 751 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080 I'm glad you're here to supply the jokes. 752 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Yeah, really appreciate that. 753 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,960 So how do solar panels like their eggs? 754 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Sunny side up. 755 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,960 That is actually good one. 756 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,960 Yeah, you like it. 757 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,960 I was going to say easy side up. 758 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,960 I don't know what I was going to say. 759 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,960 Thanks for having me on here. 760 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960 I really, really enjoyed it actually. 761 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,960 Yeah, no, of course. 762 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,960 We'll definitely get you back. 763 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,960 Yeah, thank you. 764 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,960 I'm glad to be paid next time. 765 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,960 No, no, thanks for listening. 766 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,960 If you check out the Carbon Climates Instagram at carbon under store climates, you'll find 767 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:18,320 a link to the soft to the items we discussed here today so you can learn more about them. 768 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Thanks for listening. 769 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:44,040 Bye bye.