1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:22,320 Hello, welcome and thanks for listening to Carbon Climates, an energy podcast dedicated 2 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,000 to discussing all things energy, carbon and sustainability. We also want to point out 3 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,240 that the world is getting hot, aside from our planet. I'm your host Aine and today I'm 4 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:38,800 joined with my Carbon Climate and co-host Alison, who I will be introducing shortly. 5 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Before we get into today's topic, Alison, how's your week been and can you tell me a 6 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,920 bit about yourself? Well, not me, sorry, us about yourself. Well, it depends what you 7 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:55,600 want to know about my week. Are we talking work week? Are we talking life week? Let's 8 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,600 say both because this is Carbon Climates after all, like we're all mates here. I see what 9 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,880 you did there. I like that. That's good. That's good. Work wise, pretty good, pretty solid 10 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,920 work going on. Life wise, I spend a lot of time with my dogs and that is the height of 11 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:20,360 it. It is a lot of outdoors, greenery and fun. Yeah. What are their names for the audience? 12 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:26,320 I have two springers, Todd and Fern, who are just as crazy as I am. So we get on really 13 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:35,400 well. Brilliant. Brilliant. So what is your job title? Oh, how long have we got from this 14 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:44,480 conversation? I started originally, I was a simulation engineer. I then transitioned 15 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:50,560 and turned into a visualisation specialist. And yes, it was an invented term and I am 16 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:58,400 okay with that. And currently I am an associate. Yeah, that's me. Very impressive stuff. And 17 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:06,140 like, so just how long have you been in the energy sector? Oh, six years now. Probably 18 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:11,480 not as much as other people, but. Wow. Carved a little path. We're sticking with it. We 19 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,600 like the climate. We like everything energy. We're sticking with it. You're in really deep 20 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:23,360 night. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in it. I'm in completely. I am invested. And see, see at Skull, did 21 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:31,800 you ever like envisage yourself in this role? Oh, does anybody? Did this industry exist 22 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,880 when we were at Skull? I doubt it. It probably did actually. We just didn't know anything 23 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,920 about it. Yeah, it's like, that's exactly, that's a really good point. Yeah. Well, no, 24 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:47,880 I didn't know it existed, so I had no plans for it. I wanted to work in theatre and performance 25 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:56,080 technology or animation. OK, yeah. I do neither of those things now. That is. But like, what 26 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:03,400 is it? Those are those all kind of maybe circle. Yeah. Have some sort of relation to maybe 27 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,920 what we do now, but also today's topic. Yes. Which we're going to talk about. All the fun 28 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:16,000 things. Yeah. All the technical things. Love it. But like, you know, thanks very much for 29 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,200 explaining what like more just about your role, like just a bit about yourself. But 30 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:28,600 I just have one question for you. Go for it. OK, well, one question though. Naomi Campbell, 31 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:36,360 Kate Moss, Kendall Jenner, myself. What do all these things happen? Come on. Oh, I can't 32 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:44,600 cope with this. Are you supermodels? Yeah, that's it. Correct. They're all models. OK. 33 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:52,840 That is spectacular. And that brings us to today's topic. Modelling. More specifically, 34 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,640 building modeling. More more specifically, building information modeling or what's known 35 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:06,640 in the industry as BIM, which we use as a big part in our jobs as energy and sustainability 36 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:15,200 engineers. But yeah, architects, engineers and most professions in the construction industry 37 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,680 will know what BIM means. But for those of you who don't, BIM is one of the digital model 38 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:27,360 of the building is created through CAD, which stands for Computer Aided Design Software. 39 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,680 As energy sensors, we often use 3D models of this. We then populate this model with 40 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:40,480 information on the building itself, such as the types of walls, windows, heating, ventilation, 41 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,720 lighting. The list is endless. OK, well, the list is actually finite, but I'll stop there 42 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,280 or it's just going to be boggassed and me listing things. We then simulate the model 43 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:56,560 and specialize software to get an output of energy and carbon usage for the building. 44 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:05,040 So Alison, talking about your role, you like you build models and you build them from scratch. 45 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:12,160 What exact process do you go through to build a 3D model? Oh, this is a good one. BIM is 46 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:20,400 a bit of a weird term. If you talk to an engineer or you talk to one of us or you talk to an 47 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,480 architect, we probably have three very different meanings for it. So my purpose from an energy 48 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:34,240 modeling point of view, I take architectural information, so floor plans, sections, elevations 49 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:42,480 and create a 3D representation geometry of their information so we can simulate it and 50 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,000 run our assessments for it. Essentially, my step is probably the lowest maintenance for everyone 51 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,240 else. You know, I can fly under the radar and say, guys, have you got these plans? And then 52 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,680 I'll go and build it and it's great. That's all I need. But the rest of it, so say if you're 53 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,840 simulating and you're doing more assessments and things, you'll probably need to annoy an architect 54 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:08,640 more often than I would. I can get away with it. I'm not that annoying. I don't pester. 55 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:14,320 Well, I might in the office, but I don't necessarily externally. But essentially, 56 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:21,760 all I do is take the information provided and build a 3D representation model. Wow. Yeah, 57 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,320 it's fun. It's very interesting. And like, see over the years you've been doing this, 58 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,480 I'm sure you've seen changes in the way that things are supposed to be built on. 59 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:40,480 Yeah. It's an interesting one. So obviously, technology never stops. There's always going 60 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,920 to be improvements. Everything's always going to get better. The software has gotten so much better. 61 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:54,160 I remember when I started, it used to take us about two weeks to do a model, like take the 62 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,680 geometry, put it in IES and someone literally just populate it, just get it to the point that 63 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,280 someone can hit run. It was two weeks, even for a small model. Now we could do that in about two 64 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:11,360 days. So it's crazy how much has advanced. I like it. I like that it changes so much, but other 65 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,920 people might not see it that way. I like the changes when it comes to things like that. 66 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:28,080 Would there be any particular software program you use to help build the models that you'd use 67 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:35,360 for energy simulation? Well, it depends on the company. Personally, within our firm, 68 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:44,320 well, that is the company that I work for, we build our models in Revit. But the information 69 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:50,160 that we get from architects typically comes in the form of drawings. So it's AutoCAD. So what I have 70 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,640 to do is I'll take the AutoCAD drawing, might have to scale it up, do a few things in CAD, 71 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:02,240 then import it into Revit, build the geometry in Revit and bring it into the IESV software. 72 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:08,080 So it's a few different exchanges, different softwares, translating between them. 73 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,400 I'll also use PDF markup for things like that. If there's limited information from an architect 74 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,600 or anything like that, that we can't measure within a CAD, we just get a PDF. You can do it 75 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,160 in one of those. It's great. There's workarounds for everything, but I would say my basic 76 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:33,440 softwares that I work with is Revit, CAD and PDF software. Quite a range there. Yeah, just a slight 77 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:42,800 range. Is there any sort of training that you went through or is there any particular paths that you 78 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:49,520 find useful or would you say a more hands-on approach, like learning on the go is better or 79 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:55,200 maybe would work for some people? I wouldn't say one's necessarily better than the other. 80 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:00,720 It depends on how you learn. Personally, I'm a jumping at the deep end, hope you swim. 81 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:08,400 A lot of my training personally has been either self-taught or tutorials or things like that. 82 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,880 I'm not what you would call classically trained. I didn't come into this through an engineering 83 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:23,040 point of view. This was never my goal career. I fell into it, fell in love with it and kept going. 84 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:30,240 There's definitely courses out there to do BIM modelling or geometry modelling or whatever you 85 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:38,240 want. I just didn't go about it that way. There's different ways to get into it. There's different 86 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,400 methods to get into it, but whatever works as long as you get the right end result. 87 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:52,400 That's actually really great to hear because so many people I know from school or a lot of my 88 00:09:52,400 --> 00:10:00,320 friends, they maybe go along a certain career path and they realise three, four years in, 89 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,160 I don't like this. Am I supposed to do this for the rest of my life? It's great to hear that 90 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:16,720 with this it is okay to transfer to this sector and you can learn a wide range of things. 91 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,720 Yeah, you're never pigeonholed when it comes to things like this. The beauty of engineering is 92 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,840 anyone could do it. You don't necessarily have to train that way. You don't necessarily have to do 93 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,520 anything. As long as you have the desire to learn and improve, sky's your limit. 94 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:40,320 That's a great inspirational quote for you guys. Congratulations. You're welcome. 95 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Okay, so Alison, you mentioned software there, part of the CAD family. 96 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,720 So since you mentioned that, do you know what time it is? 97 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:04,480 I don't. It is time for the CAD yourself on section. Unreal. I love that. That was 98 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:11,520 spectacular. So this is just a wee, it's specific for this episode, but it's just a number of wee 99 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:18,000 facts. We did some research in CAD technology and some software, just a number of wee facts for you 100 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:25,600 and our listeners. Hit me with them. Okay, so Ravix software, as you mentioned, is issued by 101 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,640 Autodesk and they supply a variety of other different software packages like AutoCAD. 102 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:39,360 And did you know they supply one called Inventor? Yes. Yeah, oh you hear that. Yeah, oh I am up to 103 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,520 date with my CAD. I am an Autodesk gal. Inventor, like you know, I was just like, I noted that 104 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:51,120 because that's a cool name. That is a cool name. They have a lot. There's one called Mudbox, 105 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:57,920 one called Maya. They're great too. Wow. Yeah. You're like the guru. I am. If I like something, 106 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:06,400 I learn about it. That's it. Okay, did you know the initial release of Revit was on April 5th, 107 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:16,400 2000? I did not know that. So do you know what that means? It's an Aries. No comment. 108 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:25,440 What's yours? What's yours, Doris, like? I don't think I'm compatible with Revit. That's upsetting. 109 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,920 Is Scorpio compatible with that? I don't even know. Yeah, no, I'm sure. Do you think? I'm not 110 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,280 gonna lie, I don't know enough. Neither do I. Like, just be of that mind. Shall we just say yes and 111 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,440 say it's a match made in heaven? Yeah, we'll go with that. I'll read your horoscope next time. 112 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:47,120 Okay. Okay, well I have a question for you. Shit. How many CAD softwares do you think there are in 113 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:54,320 existence? Oh, I don't like that question. Oh, you're gonna make steam come out of my ears. 114 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Oh, I don't know. I don't even think I could fathom a guess. Software or like plugins and 115 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,520 add-ins and things? I'd say softwares, but there's like, what is it? To be honest, it is kind of like 116 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:13,120 a double, it is a hard question because I'm talking about current softwares in issue today, 117 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,320 whereas there maybe have been ones presently that are no longer in use. Oh, I wouldn't, I, 118 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,520 I have no idea. Do you know? Do you have a number? I do, I do know that. I've researched this. Okay. 119 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,840 Put it, put me out of my misery. What have you got? Would you be surprised to learn there's 50? 120 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,280 50? Stop. Yeah. No, there's not. Yeah, there's 50. That's, that, no. 121 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,720 And I thought I knew everything. No. That's upsetting. What is it? I can, I'll give a link to this, 122 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:49,440 like for the podcast episode and just about the, a link and a list of them. I'm not going to list 123 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,600 all of them because again, that would just be me listing things. I mean, you could, we might be here 124 00:13:53,600 --> 00:14:00,560 for a few hours, but you could do it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well then, okay. I've got another, um, 125 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:07,360 fact for the catch yourself on section. Did you know a man called Charles Eastman or Chuck to his 126 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:17,840 friends is often noted, okay. And get this term as the father of Ben. No. And he is a key contributor 127 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:24,640 to development of building information modeling. You found like the Santa Claus of Ben and I have 128 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,720 I mean, I'm not, I have no issue with that fact. That's quite a good one. 129 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,360 You've really done your research. Yeah. Charles Eastman or Chuck, if like we're friendly with him. 130 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,920 And so he was a professor at Georgia tech architecture and he is the founder of the 131 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:50,880 digital building lab. Smart man. He's a smart man. He's I think a lot of stuff. It's not a bad legacy 132 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:57,600 to have. Yeah. Yeah. But probably I think it's a lot of stuff we would get up to with our energy 133 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,520 simulations probably derives from that or I'd get some form of that. Oh, easily. Yeah. It's funny. 134 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:09,520 You can probably trace a lot of what we do right the way back. I wouldn't want to take the time to 135 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:14,960 do it, but probably good. And just that would be another podcast. That would be another couple hours 136 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:23,680 down the line there. So and just as a dedication to Charles, so he had a really prosperous career. 137 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,680 He started as an architect, then a professor, and then was the forefront, one of the forefront 138 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:36,000 researchers into computer aided design. And the rights for computer aided design, he wanted to 139 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:44,960 develop like most of it. And he literally wrote the Bimham book. Oh, he. Okay. So what's that phrase? 140 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,280 It's like, oh, you, you know, it you wrote the book on. He did read literally wrote that book. 141 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:57,280 So yeah, imagine being able to say that to someone. I wrote the book on it. And you're not lying. 142 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,960 That would be a pretty good thing to be able to say, maybe we should write a book. 143 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:10,240 And so that was a catch yourself on section. Thank you for joining. Fantastic. And so, 144 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Alison, back to you. I just have a few questions about your work. Right. Can you think of like, 145 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,000 like some examples or lists of buildings you've worked on? 146 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Oh, what do we want to know about? And say the likes of us, like some hotels, like the size of 147 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:38,480 them or the number of rooms? Hotels, not to blow my own horn, but I could probably do them in my 148 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:45,280 sleep. I've done a fair. I mean, it's only been about six years, but I've done a few more than a 149 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:54,640 few. Can you remember the biggest hotel you've ever worked on? Oh, right. So let's say if we're 150 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:02,960 talking stories wise, probably there was one in Paddington, London that was about 20 stories at a 151 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,320 basement. That was a big one. That was a good one. That sounds like a big one. Yeah. It was fun. 152 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Like that one. Wow. Yeah. And would you say that's the biggest model you've ever built or like, 153 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:23,680 how long did that take you to model in Rabbit? Oh, that one, probably not as long as you think. 154 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Okay. Like I said, if I can build hotels in my sleep, they're honestly, they're just so 155 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,080 straightforward. I know exactly what I'm doing. I can fly through them. So I could probably build 156 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:41,680 something like that in three days if I have the right information. I know we were talking about 157 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:48,080 training packages earlier, but you should be given the training packages from the signs of this. 158 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Yes. Okay. Oh, well, maybe not. So everyone, if you would like to learn Rabbit, please contact 159 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:59,040 us directly. I mean, what I do is very niche. So I don't really know how many people are going to 160 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,120 contact me from that, but you know, by all means, if they want to pick my brain, I'm okay with that. 161 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:13,920 Back to biggest. Oh, biggest project I ever worked on, I actually think was when I just started. 162 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Oh, okay. Yeah. And it was a very big learning curve because like I say, I like to jump into the 163 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,480 deep end and just go for it and hope I swim, which I did swim. So it's fine, you know, 164 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,400 worked out well, but I think it was, well, I know it was, it was a student accommodation in Liverpool 165 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:40,720 and geometry wise, it was 3000 spaces. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Wow. Wasn't small. And those 166 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,280 were the days when the computer couldn't cope with the model that size. The software couldn't 167 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,960 cope with the model that size. So that took, I remember coming into the office eight o'clock 168 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:58,960 in the morning and loading the geometry into IES and lunchtime, it was only halfway done. It hadn't 169 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,320 imported into the software. I'm going to put that in context. If we were to do the same model now, 170 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,240 it'd be done in about 10 minutes. Wow. So it was some serious going. Yeah. That was, that was my 171 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:18,320 biggest. Yeah. And just like a context for listeners at spaces, like they're pretty much 172 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,400 another name for the rooms and the building zones. So you imagine three thousand zones. Yeah. Like 173 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:31,440 it's a big boy. It's a big boy. Spaces would be the areas that you would face are physically present. 174 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,800 You could, you know, there's walls, binding them. You could walk in, although that one actually did 175 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:43,680 include risers. So it was a fair amount. Yeah. But still a very big model. OK. Yeah. So what is your 176 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,720 favorite thing to do in Revit? Like any particular features you like or what you enjoy seeing? 177 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:58,800 Oh, features. See, I'm very set in my ways. I know what I like and I know what works. Yeah. Yeah. 178 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:07,200 Yeah. So I'm not complaining about Revit. Please, Revit gods don't come at me for this. They do 179 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,160 change things with new releases quite a lot. We're quite lucky we can work in the most recent version 180 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,600 of Revit when the new one comes out. I'm all over that like a rash. I think it's great. OK. They 181 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:26,160 change things. It annoys me. But what I like most is that I can keep it consistent between versions 182 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:34,000 for myself. So I have a lot of key and commands and things that speeds up how I model. I could 183 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,680 probably do most of the model without having to click a button. I'll just type on the keyboard 184 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:46,240 and away I go. Yeah. Like a proper like, you know, like hackers or the matrix. I feel like a hacker. 185 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,440 I probably don't look like one, but yeah. Yeah. You're hacking. Yeah. That's class size. Just call 186 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,480 me Neo. You know, I'll just tap away into the mainframe. It's fine. But yeah, that's probably 187 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:03,440 my favourite feature, I think, because I can make every version consistent for me. Even though they 188 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,840 change wee things, I can still keep it good for me. Yeah. That's that's mine. Definitely. 189 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:16,240 Yeah. That's like, yeah, that's been really great to hear. We're kind of winding down on the modeling 190 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:23,280 podcast at the minute, but I just want to sum up a few points we've talked about. So just I've just 191 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:31,200 got like a pretty cool point from what you said there. Key and commands are key. Oh, she's on 192 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:38,960 pan form. This is brilliant. So yeah, sum up. Key and commands are key. There are many different 193 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:48,000 ways to train for like in-cab softwares and not just one straight way. Yeah. And what else am 194 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,280 trying to think? Just get stuck in. Yeah, just get stuck in. And this role, like if you're ever 195 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,920 thinking about maybe you want to change in your career, give it a go. I mean, personally, I'm 196 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:06,400 biased. I love it. I think it's great. Yeah. But it's not for everyone. But you know, I fell in 197 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,960 love with it. Okay. Someone else might as well. Yeah. You never know. Okay. Well, just before we 198 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:19,360 finish, do you have any advice for prospective future cab modelers or rabbit modelers? 199 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:32,480 Hmm. Let's see. Future advice. Don't panic. Never panic. It's only as bad as you make it. 200 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,600 I have had a few times that I've been modeling and it's something's gone wrong and you can't 201 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,000 figure out exactly what's gone wrong and you're freaking out a wee bit. I see, to be honest, 202 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,720 at the end of the day, it's just a software. There's always an undo button. Okay. You'll be 203 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:55,280 fine. That's yeah. I like that. Do you like the positive spin on that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's 204 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:01,600 probably my best. No, I'll put that as the top, like one of the like, you know, the bios or blurs 205 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,480 for this like episode. We don't get an undo button in life, but we do in Revit. Yeah, we do in Revit. 206 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:18,080 Uh, my, my, uh, advice, uh, it's more just general, a slice of life phrase, 207 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,160 but you don't know what it's like until you've been there and done it. Oh, she's back with puns. 208 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:30,640 Yeah. I think what is it? This podcast will just be me making puns. I'm okay with that. All the 209 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:37,120 way through. Yep. And you'll just see like week by week, like a few years, like with a listener, 210 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:41,840 just de-creasing. Dwindling away. It's like less puns. I think you'll have the opposite effect. I 211 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,360 think more people try and pick up which pun she's doing this week. No, that's always, do you ever, 212 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:52,640 do you ever get the feeling where, or like maybe you're in a conversation and you slip in a pun. 213 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,640 And they miss it. And the other person doesn't get it. Yep. Your heart kind of breaks inside. 214 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,760 Whereas like I try to make my puns as obvious as possible. So people don't miss them. You're, 215 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,920 you're like in an 80's sitcom where you're just stopping for the ba-dum-bum. The ba-dum-bum is in 216 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:15,840 my head. Like that's it. Pause for applause. Pause for applause. Proceed. I thought it was. 217 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Yeah. It's not a bad way to do it. It's not bad. I like the puns. I appreciate the puns. They're 218 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:27,040 good. Especially when they're on topic and on brand. I like that. And this is another piece of 219 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:34,320 life advice. Make puns along the way. Life is short. Make a pun. Like, oh, that's such a good 220 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:42,240 summary. Oh my goodness. Oh. Okay. Well everyone, thanks for listening. If you can check out the 221 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Carbon Climates Instagram at carbon and third climates. I will have a link to the software 222 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:56,000 packages we discussed here today. So you can learn more about them. Yeah. And everyone, thanks. Bye. 223 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:18,880 Bye. Bye.