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Everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Dotsu Dental Podcast with your host

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myself, Sriracha.

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The focus of this podcast is your undergraduate and dental school experiences from dental

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students and dental professionals through valuable discussions.

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Through sharing the journeys and stories of current dental students and dental professionals,

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our goals to help you find answers or guidance for your own pre-dental journeys.

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We are super excited to have Sonny Brook Dental School alum and current NYU Bellevue Hospital

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OMSF resident Brandon Gallagher joining us today.

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Brandon graduated from the Stevens Institute of Technology with a bachelor's degree in

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chemical biology.

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He then completed dental school at Sonny Brook and is now an OMSF resident at NYU.

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During his undergraduate years, Brandon played D3 basketball, connected to research, and

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was a tutor for the organic chemistry, along with being part of many clubs and even started

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a few businesses during dental school.

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Brandon, welcome to the podcast.

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Thank you for making the time to join us today.

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Have you been?

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I've been great, man.

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Thanks for having me.

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No, first, really, I appreciate you reaching out and helping me schedule this.

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Dude, I really appreciate this.

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I hope we can kind of collab like some chop ups, some posts between students of dentistry,

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dentists, my page, your page.

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I mean, this is huge.

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I'm a huge supporter of what you're doing.

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We need more of this out there.

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I mean, we really do.

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I know what you're doing and what you want.

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I think so too, because even during, when I decided to go to pre-dental, I was originally

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met, but I went to the dental.

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There was no resources out there for me.

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I feel like those are Instagram pages, but there was no direct contacts with dental students

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and professionals like yourself to really understand what dentistry is like and what

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the pre-dental process could be for many different people.

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I think that's one of the motivations of starting this thing up.

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Once you tell us a little bit about yourself, where you're from, where you like to do fun,

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stuff like that.

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Yeah, man.

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Well, first off, had to wrap, since we're coming back to the Stony, coming back in-house.

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Nice.

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There we go.

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Nice.

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Yeah, I got a couple things.

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I always got to wrap Stony and broke around, but I don't know where your roots.

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I mean, as far as me, just actually, I was kind of pre-med, pre-health.

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I didn't know what I wanted to do at first.

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I started out at NYU Polytechnic Institute of Technology.

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NYU Poly actually transitioned to NYU Tandon School of Engineering now.

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I went there.

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I was recruited for basketball.

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They got rid of the team there after my second year, and it was going well.

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I had a great group of friends there, great guys.

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So I transferred to Stevens, and then I finished up there.

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I actually didn't play my final year of college because I started to transition into, I was

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shadowing over that last summer, I was starting to hone in on what I wanted to do.

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I realized I wanted to go dentistry.

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I was shadowing dentists or surgeons, and that was really it after I saw those two guys.

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Dr. Nick Castro, actually, believe it or not, he's a Stony Brook fact team member.

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I hope you got to meet him.

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No, I haven't met him yet, but I know of him.

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You will.

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I'll introduce you if we have to.

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Absolutely.

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Let's do it.

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I'm a pre-doctoral surgeon from Suffolk County.

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Yeah, nice.

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But yeah, you've got plenty of time, man.

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So Brennan, let's start at the beginning.

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Why dentistry?

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What gave you that spark?

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What's keeping you lit to this day?

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What got me started, it was, well, I always wanted to help people go into healthcare,

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And then I met Dr. Nick Castro, Dr. Capilano at the gym, believe it or not.

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I was, I used to get up.

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They had a, they had Dr. Capilano's office manager who was kind of like a heavier set

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guy, friendly fellow, and he used to just rip on him the whole workout.

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Other people in the gym would start chiming in like, yeah, we'll be cracking up.

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Turns it out in college, I actually got to meet them.

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I thought they were construction workers.

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They would come to the gym in these big pickup trucks, you know, Lincoln navigators, Jeeps,

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trucks, right?

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So the gym community called them the men in black.

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Like that guy's a normal surgeon.

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They got A's and Orgog.

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I'll go ask them.

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So I met them, shot with them, and I switched from going medicine to dentistry.

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And here we are in our surgery.

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What year was that of college?

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That was like your name?

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That was that was after first year, starting second year.

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So it was the beginning of summer before my second year of college.

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I think I see Dr. like Nicraste, Nicraste was the name, Nicraste?

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You know, I think I looked at his Instagram page.

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This man's like pumping hundreds, you know, on the bed.

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Dude's huge.

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That's nice.

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You gotta meet him.

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He's a stud.

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He's in Long Island?

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He's a station area?

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I'm down to meet him.

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So like, you know, many, many pre-dentals find their why's in the dentistry, like towards

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the end of their college years, you know, people that are lucky, I guess they realize it earlier,

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like sophomore, you know, freshman year.

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So how'd you approach like undergrad knowing that you wanted to pursue your degree in school?

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Like after you realized, you know, you want to go dental route instead of med school?

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First thing was that I knew I'd have to take a gap year, but I used it to my advantage

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because I was switching from studying for the MCAT at that point to studying for the

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DAT, right?

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So I was like, okay, I'm just going to have to take a step back, figure it out.

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But I knew I could work in the gap year.

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I could learn how to read books, learn stocks.

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I consume a lot of Garrett Vaynerchuk's content.

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I actually produced some music for that year.

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I was working three different jobs.

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I was working two lifeguard jobs, one weekends, one week nights.

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And during the day, I was actually a dental assistant, a surgical assistant for Dr. Capuano.

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So I was working at the oral surgery's offices, the two offices I was going between.

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You figure it out, right?

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Like, you know, you can't always tell what the next turn in the road is going to be.

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You can see the destination, sometimes that destination might mold a little bit, but you

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have to be adaptable.

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You have to be self-aware, know that you're going to make the most of it.

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You have to be adaptable to say, this is how I'm going to adapt and make it into something

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worthwhile.

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And I must say, I'm the biggest advocate for gap years because that gap year, I got to

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learn where I was in the scope of the grand scheme of the world, right?

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I'm not out of the world, but on like the real world basis.

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If you go through life only being in school, you really only know how to study for that

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next test, how to interact on a classroom basis, not literally, but figuratively, right?

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You need to know what's bigger than the classroom.

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Yeah, I think it's totally huge.

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And, you know, for people that, you know, might realize they want to go dentistry, like

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junior year senior, I mean, gap year is like something they should really probably consider.

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I know some people that have just gone straight through, but I feel like, you know, if you

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have time and you want to get more experience and you want to like learn your gap year,

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I think it's perfect, honestly.

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So how'd you, you know, you understand you want to go dental?

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So how did you set up your experiences throughout undergrad to kind of set up that success and

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make sure you're on track?

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In undergrad?

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In undergrad, let's see.

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I mean, it's really just trying to get the best grades you can.

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It's molding your application towards the school you're studying more.

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I say the same thing when applying to residencies, you know, you got to kind of see what those

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people do.

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So if you're an undergrad, you got to see what dentists do.

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And then the next step is, well, there are different types of dentists.

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Have you seen a variety of what those dentists have done?

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What did you like?

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What did you not like?

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How do you see yourself fitting to the big picture?

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And when you figure all these things out, you literally just made your interview scenario,

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your interview conversation.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So let's go to undergrad now.

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So you're in undergrad.

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I know you did some research in there.

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So can you talk a little bit about your research experience and kind of, you know, what kind

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of role did that play into, you know, applying to dental school and just, you know, how'd

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you get the opportunity?

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We're hitting all the academic points.

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Let's do it.

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Research, it was great.

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I worked for Dr. Glave and Dr. Kadeviana at Stevens.

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She was a foreign exchange student from China who was now pursuing her PhD after finishing

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her master's.

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We were doing gene amplification of the, oh, the Warner, the Warner's Helicase Gene.

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The Warner's Gene basically, I mean, long story short, we were putting gene amplification

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of the cell.

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Turns out it did.

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And this is a gene involved in aging.

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And then if you know, Warner's disease, Warner's syndrome, I forget the exact, it has accelerated

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So kind of whether that protein made it into the nucleus or not kind of showed how the

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disease panned out.

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And what relation did it have to dental school?

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Absolutely nothing.

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It showed that I got involved.

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When I stopped playing basketball, that's when I picked up the research project and

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I really got into that.

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I had to stay there like four days a week over the summer.

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Not bad, but like early in the summer.

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So I don't know, it was just involvement.

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I actually got an award for it, which was super nice.

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And I was super appreciative to win the award.

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Just I mean, I don't know if I'm being modest or not.

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I mean, I don't think I earned that award anymore than anyone next to me.

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It was just, I was really appreciative to win it.

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But there were so many people doing research.

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How do you pick someone to win, you know?

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But so yeah.

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Nice.

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So how about shadowing and assisting?

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Did you, you know, how'd you get involved there?

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Dr. Caster, Dr. Capuano, they had a third guy back then, another Nick.

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Dr. Caster's first name is Nick.

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So I would work four days a week in research.

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I would come home, I would shadow on Friday and then Saturday, Sunday, I would work in

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Do you think like, you know, shadow really just opened your eyes to the different kind

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of things that you could do like in dentistry?

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Because you were pre-med before, so, you know, did that just kind of like submit your, your

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choice going this route?

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Yeah.

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You know, you gotta, you gotta surround yourself with mentors that you, you admire, that you

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want to be like, that you, you look up to and mentors that are going to mentor you,

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you know?

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And then another thing that doesn't always pan out, but does, and, and it did.

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And that's, you know, that's what I recommend because you gotta find a mentor that, that's

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willing to stick through the course with you.

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And I feel like once you find one, like, you know, then you start branching out to more

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people and more people and more people, like the doctor I work for, work for right now,

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he knows Dr. Puthi, which, you know, too.

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And, you know, I've been going to him like a couple of weeks, a couple of, like maybe

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five times total now.

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And like, you know, every time I go, I'm just so impressed with how we like can handle

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patients and how he just, like, it feels like the job he's doing right now is like

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his side hustle because the man, the man's in like the OR, he's doing, he's teaching

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us Tonya Brooke.

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He's doing so many different things and it just, it's like inspiring.

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Every time I go there, it just rejuvenates my like, my motivation for doing this, you

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know?

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And you need to keep doing that.

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He's phenomenal.

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Dr. Puthi, he wrote my letter of recommendation for surgery programs.

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Great.

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I'm going to more Fridays for my WISNT, I think.

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Are you really?

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For the consult, yeah.

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Oh, for the consult?

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Yeah, just for a consult.

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And then we'll see what happens after.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I'm excited.

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I've seen, I've shared it a couple of times where he took out wisdom teeth and I want

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him doing it.

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I'm going to have to do the job.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah.

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So what were your like major obstacles that you faced like during undergrad?

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I know obviously you said that you had to transfer into Stevens.

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So, you know, once you got it, got into Stevens, like what major hurdles did you have to overcome

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just to, you know, set yourself up for down school?

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Oh, sure.

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So actually this is, this is a loaded question.

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There were a lot of hurdles in that transfer, especially having done two years already and

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now transferring in as a junior.

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Like, I want to ask you a quick question.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Let's just bring the audience, you know, whoever's listening in, how we met, right?

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Because we met before.

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I was going to touch on this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, in ninth grade, I believe, so I just moved, I lived in Jersey in eighth grade.

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So I moved to Smithtown ninth grade, which is in Long Island, and there was a gym over

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there called NYSC.

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I think they shut it down now.

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I think it's gone.

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New York Sports Club, man.

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They shut it down.

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It went down, but that's where I met them, by the way.

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Dr. McCash, yeah, I'm assuming at that gym.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, ninth grade, I was on the, I was a training for basketball essentially

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at my school.

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And then, you know, I'm in the gym there and I see this man right here, Brandon, Brandon.

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I don't know, I feel like he looked really familiar for something, but I don't remember.

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And then like we just started playing and it was a good time.

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And I think we probably played a couple of times there.

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And then, you know, fast forward to college now.

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My first like pre-dental meeting, when I switch into pre-dental, I see Brandon, like

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he comes and presents for us.

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I think with Sean, I believe.

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Yeah.

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He's an Ortho resident, I believe, second year?

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Yeah.

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Second year Ortho resident, Stony Brook.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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And then in the, in the meeting, I'm like, and then I text him after, I'm like, wait

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a minute, are you the guy from like four years ago when you played in the gym?

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And he's like, yeah, that's him.

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And that's, it's just like a small room.

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It was like a small room moment right there.

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And you know, that's when I just kind of realized like, I would never suspect this man is in

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like dentistry or like doing anything.

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And I feel like that's how you felt with Dr. Castro.

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And yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, I guess the moral of the story right there is like, you never know who you're

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going to talk to and you never know who, what kind of connections they might have.

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So it's important to just keep, keep everyone in the back of your mind, you know, if they

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catch your eye and just kind of, you know, you never know what life will take you.

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I guess that's like the moral of the story right there.

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Yeah.

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And follow the heart.

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Yeah.

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All the people you connect with, you know, because we connected through basketball and

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the dentistry.

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And now we're connecting on, I mean, you're doing a lot with social media.

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I have a big history with social media.

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We could talk more about that later because I have some ideas, but oh, and then the fact

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that just you're realizing that there's a lot more to a person than just their career.

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Or like we're saying in undergrad, and I also, I looked into the last meeting that you had

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with the last student, just like you said, there's a lot more to your resume when you're

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applying to dental school resume, just everything, your whole being your portfolio than just

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academics.

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Exactly.

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And we had Dr. Kim on.

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She's a general practice resident.

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I think she works in Philadelphia now, but she, you know, Dr. Diana Kim, you're my network.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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So, you know, she told us that like, you know, you got to be more than a more than just a

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bookie because dentistry is such a social, such a social like practice, depending on

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like, I guess where you go, but either way, you're dealing with people.

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And at the end of the day, if you can deal, if you can deal with paper better than people,

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there's going to be kind of an issue there, you know, just a credibility connections with

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your patients, stuff like that.

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So and, you know, I even see that when I work in my job too, like when I, I find myself,

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you know, when I'm stuck in the books studying for an exam or something, I'm not this, I'm

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not as social to other people like patients as I would be if I, you know, or I was actively,

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you know, being more than my, my academics.

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So I think it's a really big part of, and I'm sure you're going to test that too.

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Oh, absolutely.

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You got to be a social person.

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It doesn't even have to do with, with talking necessarily.

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It has to do with the appreciation of connecting with another person.

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Exactly.

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And it's, it's so true.

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If you really think about it, it's so true because I started out at the beginning of

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residency, just not, not, it's not about me, but it's the fact that like you want to connect

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with people probably 50% or more of my patients here, especially in the Bellview clinic.

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There's, they're 100% Spanish speaking.

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And so look, I'm going to figure out how to speak Spanish.

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And yes, my girlfriend speaks Spanish, you know, and we're learning.

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So a little bit of cheats here and there.

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But the fact is, is like, no, no, no, like every conversation you're just trying a little

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more and you're connecting with that patient and they appreciate it so much.

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Exactly.

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And I went on a mission trip to Guatemala.

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You might have, you might have heard.

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And you know, I took Spanish for maybe six, seven years, like throughout school, no, like

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through middle school, high school.

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And like, honestly, I didn't learn at all as much as I did that first week I was there

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because over there, it's just like, we lived with the host family, right?

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So the host family only spoke Spanish.

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So we had to speak and like my Spanish got so much better just in that one, one or two

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weeks that we were there.

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Oh, I'm sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, you know, when I come back, our office, we had a couple, you know, Spanish

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speaking patients and my doctor, Dr. Vinoy, like he knows how to speak Spanish and.

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Fenoi?

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Yeah.

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He knows a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Dan?

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Yeah.

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I know Dan too.

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Yeah, nice.

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He's just a ball, it's your mural.

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I know.

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I'm taking him, I'm taking him to come to the wreck and we play a little bit sometimes.

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Oh dude, I got to get out there to Stony Brook.

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I'll get Sean out, we go play some ball.

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Oh yeah, I'm done.

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He should be around, right?

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Yeah, Stony Brook.

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He's in the area too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, he, so Dr. Vinoy, he was able to speak to the patient, make her understand

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the whole procedure in Spanish and like that probably led him to getting the, getting

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the treatment, you know what I mean?

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Like that's probably what convinced her to trust this guy and like do the treatment.

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So I feel like, you know, that's just a quick example of, you know, how long, how, you know,

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how connecting with your patients can go, I guess.

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Right, right.

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You got to, you got to, and I wouldn't phrase it as gaining the trust of your patient.

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It's really connecting with your patient to, to give them the treatment they need.

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Yeah.

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You know, and I, most of the time I do end up having to get a Spanish translator, especially

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early on, because you need to make sure that they understand fully.

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And then there's the case where some interpreters don't know how to translate the medical terms.

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Did it, but regardless, yeah, actually just to touch on that point, you said, and go out

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a mile, you learned more in one week.

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I think it's because you were speaking it.

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Yeah.

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One of the things I found is I started with Duolingo like a year and about two years ago.

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It's great up to a certain point, but then it has you like rewriting things and no, no,

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I'm not trying to read and write.

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I just want to speak and listen, you know, and we got to make an app to do that.

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That's, I mean, it's so fundamental.

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If you actually want to speak Spanish, you got to stop writing and reading and writing

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it.

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And then you got to be able to understand, you know, like, so high school, like vocab

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exams, like just spelling, like that stuff doesn't translate to speaking and converting

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and understanding because they're native tongue.

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The native tongue is so different from like Ola, Coma, Stas, like, you know what I mean?

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So you got to, you got to, it's got to be deeper than that.

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It's back to be more conversational.

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So, um, no, and then you got the dialects, right?

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Cause there's different.

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Exactly.

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Speaking of, yeah, when we were there, there was like an interstation and stuff.

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So, you know, patients come, we think, Oh, it's just Spanish.

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We got it.

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No, there's like over a hundred different dial or maybe third, like different dialects

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within.

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It's crazy.

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It's just, it blows my mind, but, um, let's get back to, you know, obstacles and, uh,

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undergrad.

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Yeah.

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What'd you got going on over there?

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Oh, okay.

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So obstacles.

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Okay.

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So imagine yourself in high school and you just made your friend group after your first

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and second year, all these, your buddies that you came into high school with, you got

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two more years together, you're going to apply the colleges together.

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I know you switched to another school because athletics, you know, external factors contributing

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to family, friends, sports, the future.

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Um, so that's kind of, of what happened.

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But when I switched being on the basketball team, wasn't what I thought, you know, I thought

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I was going to, I had a really good time on the basketball team.

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The coach was super understanding where they would, you know, if you're an exam, they let

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you out of practice early or the coach, you would just say, don't come tonight.

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You have to file tomorrow.

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We get it.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, um, when I switched to Stevens, it wasn't like that.

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I was actually, uh, there was a biochemical bio, biochemical, you know, engineer, biomedical

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engineering guy on the team, but I was chemical biology, basically, pre-med.

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I was the only one on the team.

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Everyone else was business.

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There were a couple engineers.

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Um, no, but, but there wasn't, there wasn't that understanding.

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And then hour and a half, two hour practices turned into three, three and a half hour practice.

484
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,560
I think I got to study.

485
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,800
And, you know, I'm not going to be a professional basketball player.

486
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,080
I'm not going to be a basketball coach.

487
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,760
You know, hopefully one day maybe I will, I'd love to give back, but the fact is, is

488
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840
what, you know, your career route is different.

489
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,760
And we have to differentiate hobbies and kind of, you know, where they are in terms of your

490
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760
life.

491
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:45,760
I love the basketball growing up.

492
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,760
I still do.

493
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,680
I don't have time to play anymore, but you know, it's, it, it's, I don't know, it's crazy

494
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,520
how some, some things can, can turn from a hobby and like, like your, your love passion

495
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,560
and just kind of get suffocated a little bit.

496
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,840
You know, there's like a term for that.

497
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,680
I forgot what it's called, but I felt the same way coming out of high school.

498
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,120
Um, you know, played like three years of RC basketball and like when I came here, obviously

499
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,400
you're going to be a little bit better than everyone else, but there's not that same,

500
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,320
like you lose your kind of sense of purpose.

501
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,200
You're not like on a team anymore.

502
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,720
You're just kind of playing it recreationally.

503
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,640
And then you have to do, you know, your pre-dental requirements or whatever you gotta do just

504
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,680
to get in, you know, so sometimes I feel like that, but honestly basketball is something

505
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,360
that keeps me like engaged in school.

506
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,520
Honestly, like I feel like I do better in school when I'm, you know, I get that fix,

507
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,520
you know, escapeism.

508
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,520
Exactly.

509
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Yeah.

510
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,520
Yeah.

511
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,520
I just kind of resets, you know, your mind, you don't, you get out of it, you know, exactly.

512
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,720
I gotta reset once so on for sure.

513
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,720
For sure.

514
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,520
Um, so we're just going to go right back, right back into it.

515
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,160
So, um, can you review your dental dental school application, like the process?

516
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,360
How'd you kind of take it on?

517
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:59,440
Oh, the, okay, the application.

518
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,040
So I told you I took the gap year.

519
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,040
I finished.

520
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,280
So we have to kind of picture this.

521
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,960
I studied for the DAT right when I graduated.

522
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,880
So when we were really partying, you know, graduating college and whatnot, I'd go out

523
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,520
one night and I would miss the next night kind of thing.

524
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,320
You know, I'd go to the beer, um, the Brooklyn brewery tour, for example, but I didn't go

525
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,320
out after that.

526
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840
Like, do I regret it?

527
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,160
You know, these are, those are experiences I missed out on.

528
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,400
And, you know, we missed out a lot on this route of pre-health, but, um, no, it's, it's

529
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,680
what I had to do because I had less than two months to study for the DAT.

530
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,320
The way I structured it though, this, this would really help undergrads was I broke it

531
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,320
up.

532
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760
So what's one, let me ask you, what's the one subject on the DAT exam that you don't

533
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840
learn anything about in dental school?

534
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,320
Probably just PAT.

535
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320
PAT.

536
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,640
So I actually studied the PAT during winter break.

537
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,760
So I just focused in on the PAT winter break, knocked it out in like two and a half weeks,

538
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,120
cracked it that pack.

539
00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,800
That's what I used for that.

540
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Starting the summer, I went right into biochem, went right into general chem, orgo, right,

541
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,760
reading, math, and basically just round the clock just went between those subjects.

542
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,760
However, I did it.

543
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,960
You knock off one by one and you go DAT boot camp tests and then I took the test and it

544
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,640
was all her true from there.

545
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,760
But yeah, less than two months, unfortunately, but you know, you get the score you need and

546
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,760
you get into school.

547
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,760
Nice.

548
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,760
Yeah.

549
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,520
No, I think, uh, many people like try to cram stuff within like six weeks or something,

550
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,480
but it just, I guess it just depends on how different you are as a person.

551
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,200
Like if you can do that, hey, dude, I'm no one stopping you.

552
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,680
But like, you know, if you got, if you put your, if you set aside, like that's what I'm

553
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,360
going to do during winter break, I'm standing aside like a solid two or three months and

554
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:48,000
just kind of grind it, grind it out, get it done.

555
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840
You know, there's no, there's no like immediate rush.

556
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,680
I want to make sure I have enough time to just kind of do it.

557
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,680
Yeah.

558
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,520
You know, and I feel like that's where a gap year might come in where some people will

559
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,480
feel like they have to rush to the DAT when, you know, they got to finish their courses

560
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,280
or they got to do whatever they got to do, you know, life hits you.

561
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080
So, you know, people put themselves under pressure to finish like right away in four

562
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,080
years.

563
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,080
That's what you're supposed to do.

564
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Right.

565
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,160
You know, that's a huge, huge thing.

566
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,160
I think everyone that I've talked to on this podcast, they've probably half of them have

567
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,000
taken one or two gap years.

568
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,920
So like, yeah, not like, and the average matriculation, what is it?

569
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Like a 26 or something, 20s, like it's high there.

570
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,680
It's high 20s.

571
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960
Except for dental school.

572
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960
I hope not.

573
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Yeah.

574
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,960
But, um, yeah.

575
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,960
I don't know.

576
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,960
So, so you took your DAT, uh, you know, you got your extra feel-gooders together.

577
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,560
You know, your shadowing, whatever.

578
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,720
That's a high DAT score, man.

579
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,720
Is it still at a 30?

580
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Um, yeah.

581
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,720
I think it's at 30.

582
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,040
And people are, like, there were, there were 20, 26 is 28s.

583
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,040
Oh, no, no, no.

584
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560
I mean, like the age of matriculation into dental school.

585
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Like how does that work?

586
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,560
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

587
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000
That's not, it's not, yeah, it's not 20.

588
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000
26, again.

589
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,400
I wouldn't have gotten in.

590
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,160
I think, I think Tony Burke is like a 21 or something.

591
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,160
20, around there.

592
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,160
A little higher.

593
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,160
Yeah.

594
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,160
I think it's like a 22.

595
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,160
I would have 22 or something like that.

596
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Actually, I mean, not an advertisement, but we, we put together, Sean and I, and we put

597
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,320
together pre-dent mentor maps.

598
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,360
So we kind of organized, um, statistics for each dental school.

599
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,000
It's a little higher for Tony, bro, from what I remember.

600
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,440
But yeah, just the pre-dent mentor map is, is a good help to tool for that.

601
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,440
Nice.

602
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,440
We'll get, we'll get into all that.

603
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,880
I want to get into all that stuff, honestly.

604
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,880
Like what are you doing?

605
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,880
Yeah.

606
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,880
No street deleted.

607
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,880
We'll get into that.

608
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,640
Um, so, so, uh, you know, now you got your DAT, you got all your scores together.

609
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,400
So how'd you go on choosing which dental school you wanted to apply to and how'd you

610
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,920
kind of narrow it down to Stony Grave?

611
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,920
Okay.

612
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,920
Great, great question.

613
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,160
Um, this was the kind of the first point in my life where I was a plant, you know, like

614
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,600
my parents helped me with school.

615
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,840
You want to apply to guidance.

616
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,480
We all have guidance counselors in high school.

617
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Oh, at school, you want to go to what do you think you want to do, blah, blah, blah, and

618
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,400
playing basketball in college really kind of influenced that around athletics and around

619
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,520
having a strong academic school.

620
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,640
Cause I knew I kind of wanted to be pre-health along the way, but, um, for dental school,

621
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,520
it was like, well, I don't know how many do you apply to?

622
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,480
There's no, and that's kind of why we're creating this that we'll go into in a bit, but it's

623
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,640
like there's no guidance in undergrad for this.

624
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,600
It's like word of mouth from anyone at your college that might have gone or is going into

625
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600
dentistry above you.

626
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,360
Other than that, maybe you know a dentist.

627
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,920
A lot of people have parents that are dentists that go into dental school.

628
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,920
We learn that.

629
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,800
But otherwise there's no guidance, there's no guidance counselors going into dentistry

630
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,800
in college.

631
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,640
So we're kind of trying to create that and more, which we'll get going to.

632
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040
But the fact is, so I was looking in the area, I was like, well, I mean, I'm not going to

633
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,040
go to Utah.

634
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,000
I'm not going to go to Washington.

635
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
I mean, I know Starbucks was founded up there other than that.

636
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,280
I don't know.

637
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,280
It rains a lot, I think.

638
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,480
So let's stick in the area.

639
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,720
Let's stick with something we know.

640
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,000
I have family in Florida.

641
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:03,240
So I applied to UF, Stony Brook, Columbia, Toro, Buffalo, Rutgers, and NYU, of course.

642
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,200
So that's seven.

643
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,920
I got interviews at Everyone But Florida because Florida is like 98% in state that they take.

644
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,960
So fine, whatever.

645
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Interviewed at the rest.

646
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,400
And then I kind of looked at what kind of attention are these students getting.

647
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:25,360
And for me, after having shouted Dr. Cappuano, having the interest prior to starting dental

648
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,480
school, had somewhat of an interest going into oral surgery.

649
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Didn't know.

650
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,400
I was open-minded, but I was like, this looks pretty sweet.

651
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,400
And I was like, which school is going to give me the best opportunity to get into specialty?

652
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Right?

653
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,080
And I was told you really kind of have to specialize for whatever reason.

654
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,720
That's what the dentist had told me.

655
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,360
And that really came down to, oh no.

656
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Columbia I didn't apply to.

657
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,720
Columbia I didn't apply.

658
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,280
I applied late like November and they already sent out all their applicants.

659
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,360
So I just wasted 80 bucks or whatever it was at the time.

660
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800
But I applied to every other New York school and Rutgers.

661
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,160
So that's how it would have been.

662
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Columbia or Stony Brook that has the best placement into specialties.

663
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,800
That's really kind of why I picked Stony Brook.

664
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,000
And the reason being is because Stony Brook is such a small school.

665
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,560
If you're going to be a general dentist, you probably want to go to school, small school

666
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:23,760
and get the best hands on experience with your attendings.

667
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,840
But Cumbulano now, your experience at dental school is actually super important too.

668
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,000
You got to be happy.

669
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
You really have to be happy.

670
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,520
So yeah.

671
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,480
So you got those interviews.

672
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,960
Can you just run us through your interview process?

673
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,760
What kind of questions were you prepared for?

674
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Were you not prepared for?

675
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,560
What should the pre-dentals expect going into those interviews?

676
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,720
Yeah, I had some stupid flashcards of like some kind of someone told me like, oh, know

677
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,720
these dental questions.

678
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120
I wasn't asked any dental questions.

679
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Toro was great.

680
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,120
The attending sat me down.

681
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360
He's like, you want to go here?

682
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
And we started talking about basketball for a half hour.

683
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,440
His son played basketball.

684
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440
I played basketball.

685
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,440
We're talking about basketball.

686
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,440
It was awesome.

687
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,440
We didn't even talk dentistry.

688
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Stony Brook was great.

689
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,640
The attending is not there anymore.

690
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,400
He's Dr. Schwartz.

691
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,280
But we were talking about, I told him like, dad fly fishes, he fly fish in New Hampshire,

692
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,280
blah, blah, blah.

693
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Dr. Sieber there.

694
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,280
He's still there.

695
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,720
We were talking about his son, who's a professional poker player, believe it or not.

696
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,720
Interesting.

697
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,760
NYU was cool because I knew the Dean there kind of helps, right?

698
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Yeah, yeah, always.

699
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Rutgers was awesome because I knew someone was on the board there, who actually ended

700
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,920
up being the person interviewing me.

701
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,920
So and he had a side company at the time, and I just wanted to pick his brain about the

702
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,920
side company.

703
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,920
So we talked about that.

704
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Yeah.

705
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,480
So I mean, I like talking about people with people about things other than that.

706
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520
When we get to it, of course, I mean, you got to load up your resume.

707
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,840
The research was in team atmospheres.

708
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Mentored was an organic chemistry tutor.

709
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920
You know, like I hit all the bases, but I didn't want to talk about that.

710
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Just like we said earlier, talk about the people outside of the career.

711
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
No, for sure.

712
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,840
I think that's again, just down in the point again, perfect.

713
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,720
So now you're in dental school, you chose Stony Brook.

714
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Like what was your experience with D1, D4?

715
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,640
How did you kind of see yourself involved as a person and really start honing in on

716
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,560
what you want to do after dental school?

717
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Dental school is such a stressful environment.

718
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Not going to lie, a lot of it is kind of allowed by the teachers.

719
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,400
The teachers could really kind of prevent that by, I mean, I haven't given a lot of

720
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,160
thought in a while about how to kind of prevent what's going on.

721
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Well, first of all, teachers should change their chest from the year before.

722
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Second of all, I think we should actually get some applicable knowledge in some of these

723
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,640
courses.

724
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Like, let's actually work on our hand skills.

725
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Like, when you get into the sim lab, let's do more in the sim lab.

726
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Let's build a bigger sim lab, right?

727
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,080
And let's get less learning about the paradigm is super important, right?

728
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,360
But you could talk about it with the patient a little bit, but for the most part, they

729
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,400
want to know terms that they can understand.

730
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:18,800
They're not going to know what the biological width at 0.86 millimeter.

731
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,960
We need more applicable stuff.

732
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,640
I mean, that's just my, that's just my, you know, we need to be talking about like, how

733
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,560
do you actually run a practice?

734
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,920
What about this management, like dealing with problems in the workplace?

735
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Do you want to be an employee versus being owner?

736
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,120
This is very important because it's going to play the, it's going to play into the environment

737
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,160
and the actual attitudes of the environment.

738
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,160
It's going to play a big on the, on how you treat, not how you treat patients, but what

739
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,560
patients think of the atmosphere.

740
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Are they, you're just a money mill trying to get them out or you're trying to sit them

741
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,760
down and get to know them.

742
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:00,240
Maybe they'll have, you know, if it's grandma Margaret put implants in grandma, you know,

743
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,000
once great grandma put the denture in and then have little Sydney have her wisdom teeth taken

744
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000
out.

745
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
It's just, I don't know.

746
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
I love community dentistry.

747
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
That's, that's kind of what I want to get into.

748
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Yeah.

749
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,280
So, I think I was, I was actually one of the questions I was going to ask you, like how

750
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,800
applicable is that information towards, you know, towards SimLab?

751
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,480
And I think the same thing at undergrad, like I feel like some of the information is kind

752
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,720
of, I mean, obviously undergrad, everyone's doing different things.

753
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,800
So, I understand like the curriculum might not be super applicable.

754
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,640
So, you know, what you're going to do in the future.

755
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,920
But I think that's a major change at like our education system needs to make, you know,

756
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,920
I don't know.

757
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,240
I feel that just benefit everyone much more, to be honest.

758
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Yeah.

759
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Oh, it would, it would benefit everyone.

760
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Patients, doctors, you'd actually be happier with, because you're going to know that this

761
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,080
isn't about just becoming dentists about being happy with being a dentist every single

762
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080
day that you wake up.

763
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,320
And also we need to kind of push more in the curriculums at these dental schools.

764
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,720
But now that we have dental schools that are being opened up by DSOs and a lot of influential

765
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280
money being pushed in, who knows the direction it could go.

766
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,600
It could go in a great direction.

767
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,240
It could go in another direction.

768
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:10,240
Yeah.

769
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,040
Power of influence is very strong when money gets put into play.

770
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,360
But you know, anything can be done.

771
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,200
You know, the world is changing with the internet, social media, blockchain, NFTs.

772
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,880
We'll see where it goes.

773
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,880
All right.

774
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,480
So can you just kind of walk us through like what you had to experience, you know, in each

775
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,680
year of dental school?

776
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,520
What was the, you know, when you start touching handpieces, when you start getting like the

777
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,840
clinical based part of dental school, yeah, so pre-dental is going to get a good idea

778
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,600
of, you know, what to expect.

779
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,600
Yeah.

780
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,600
Yeah.

781
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,720
We started touching handpieces a couple of weeks in, you know, in dental morphology at

782
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:47,800
Stony Brook, at least when we started getting that we were started with waxing handpieces

783
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,040
came in like a few months in.

784
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,040
That was that.

785
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,680
And then we were taking the medical school courses until March, the first year, you know,

786
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
D1 year.

787
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Second year, we started to get more involved with Prost being fixed Prost and removable

788
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,480
Prost after January, February, we started in the clinic once every two weeks, I think,

789
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,880
because they switch groups on Wednesdays.

790
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Third year, you're in clinic, I think four days a week.

791
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,160
No, maybe a little, about like two to four days a week, I think third year, fourth year,

792
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,480
you're in every day basically.

793
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,480
Yeah.

794
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,200
You know, fourth year, so I mean, gearing this towards the CBAC, I always recommend,

795
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,200
you got to learn how to balance studying for dental school, right?

796
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,360
You got to get through dental school and then managing clinic work, which comes later on,

797
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,520
and on top of all that studying for the CBAC, it's a lot to take on, but it's all about

798
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,880
self-awareness, knowing how much time it takes you to study versus how much time you need

799
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,880
in clinic.

800
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,840
I mean, personally, I was always so stressed because I knew I wasn't as book smart as everyone

801
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160
else, but I could get the grades that I needed.

802
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:01,560
You know, I stuck with just A's and B's, you know, but I knew I didn't have to practice

803
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,680
as much for practicals and such, and knowing that actually played huge to my advantage.

804
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,240
So I want to ask this question, like, how did it feel, you know, going from a tie for

805
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,880
a donor like a mannequin to actual people in dental school, like, what was that transition

806
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,600
like for you?

807
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:25,280
Oh, the first time it's getting a patient numb is the biggest thing, because that's

808
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,280
what you start with.

809
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,200
But also when you're getting someone numb, it's all feeling, right?

810
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520
They tell you the technique, you know, you put it over the opposite premolars you inject,

811
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,120
you know, a lot out to the turgum, the raffy, but when you're doing it, it's like, well,

812
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,120
the needle's gone.

813
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,080
I can't see anything now.

814
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,520
I don't know where this is going, but you know, for your first time, it could be a thing,

815
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,320
and then all of a sudden they're numb and you're like, all right, Dr. Castro, let's

816
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,320
go.

817
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,320
It's going.

818
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,320
Exactly.

819
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Yeah, so that's how it goes.

820
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,760
So like, were there any, you know, what kind of struggles did you face throughout dental

821
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,760
school?

822
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,320
Was there academic struggles or was it just kind of manual dexterity struggles?

823
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,560
No manual dexterity struggles.

824
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,560
No.

825
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,360
There weren't.

826
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,800
There wasn't academic struggles.

827
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,680
There was more of academic like understanding that I'm going to get there and just focus

828
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,040
on how you learn rather than focusing.

829
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,480
I'd be studying so much and you study so much, you're just like reading, reading, reading

830
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,480
and not absorbing.

831
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Yeah.

832
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,840
I could have just taken a step back and relaxed and said, let's put all this in Quizlet, studied

833
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,000
a couple of times using figures.

834
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,400
I'm a lot of people, visual learners.

835
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,400
If I figured out how to do that with Quizlet earlier, I would have studied, it would have

836
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,520
taken like a 10 to the time study.

837
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Yeah.

838
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,760
It would have, but it's self-awareness.

839
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,760
So you know, wait, hold on.

840
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520
I think the Zoom meeting is about to end.

841
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,280
So that's a common struggle to all dental students.

842
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,320
You know, you're stressing so much and then everyone else is stressing around you and

843
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,160
then boom, boom, boom, it just rises up.

844
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,080
I think the biggest takeaway to say is, is like, you're going to get to where you want

845
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,480
to go, right?

846
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,680
Learn the material, take your time.

847
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Whatever goes wrong, you're going to have an opportunity to correct it.

848
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,920
For example, test scores and everything will turn out just fine in the end.

849
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,680
You need to enjoy the little pieces of dental score where you can.

850
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Yeah.

851
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,200
I feel like, you know, the small class at Stony Brook, like the faculty student ratio might

852
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,680
help a lot, to be honest.

853
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Is that something that's true?

854
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Yeah.

855
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Yeah.

856
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,160
For being a dentist?

857
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Yeah.

858
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,160
Yeah.

859
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,160
Just for learning, honestly.

860
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Yeah.

861
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,160
Yeah.

862
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,160
For sure.

863
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Oh, yeah.

864
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Yeah.

865
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,240
So, you know, now you're, you know, getting through dental school.

866
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:49,000
Something I really wanted to get to you is, how did you decide to go the LMSF route?

867
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Um, I was kind of aiming, so, so very simple.

868
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,120
If you aimed for it in the beginning, I had an open mind, but I was aiming for oral surgery.

869
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,400
What other residency requires a test to get into?

870
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,400
No idea.

871
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Ortho.

872
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Ortho.

873
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Right.

874
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:15,640
So, GMAT, GRE, GMAT, it's, like, it's not as strict as an application requirement as

875
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,640
the CVSE is.

876
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,640
You know what I mean?

877
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,120
So, it's like, if you aim for oral surgery, it's like, you could quickly mold and go into

878
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,280
endo, go into ortho, go into Peds.

879
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,320
It's very manageable to go from oral surgery to other specialties.

880
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,320
And a lot of people are interested in oral surgery.

881
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,080
More than half our class was in the first few months of dental school.

882
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,960
And then, I don't know what happened.

883
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,200
I'm still waiting for it.

884
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,640
So, you know, how'd you decide to, you know, again, apply to residency, right?

885
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,640
How'd you list your schools?

886
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,600
And did you kind of have, did you like visit programs beforehand?

887
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Did you kind of just get a better understanding of which, you know, each one had to offer?

888
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,040
Yeah, of course.

889
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,480
The biggest thing is, I wasn't, I didn't want to be overbearing, but I did want to express

890
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,640
that I was interested in oral surgery from an early stage of D1 year, because then you

891
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,760
get to see which D4s when your D1 match, right?

892
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Every year you get to see, okay, Andrew Lolley is interested in oral surgery.

893
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Dan Bistardi, Ethan, I got to see all these guys match in oral surgery.

894
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,720
So I got the best advice from them on specific programs.

895
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,520
They would tell you, oh, you like this, you should check out this program.

896
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,520
You should extern there.

897
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,000
And externship is when you spend a week at the program, shadowing, observing, assisting,

898
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,440
helping out in surgeries, you got to get to see what a program's like.

899
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000
They get to see what you're like.

900
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,760
I scheduled mine first at Montefiore, second here at NYU, third at VCU.

901
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,840
So I got to see those programs.

902
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,720
I was very interested in going to any one of those three and others, but I also planned

903
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:57,160
out my externship trail very strategically because I wanted to go to powerhouse programs.

904
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,000
So when you applied, you know, reach schools, I didn't expect me to get into NYU, Monti,

905
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
or VCU.

906
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,120
But I'm extern there because you have a shot.

907
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,800
I don't expect getting in there.

908
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,360
If I do really well, now I get myself an interview.

909
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,240
If I don't, well, you know, I didn't expect it anyway.

910
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,840
Two, on the application, it's known internationally that those are strong programs.

911
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,280
So it's going to look good when you apply to other programs in other areas of the country.

912
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,280
We got you.

913
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,080
So you just like put yourself in the best position, honestly, just in case you were to

914
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,080
get it.

915
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Exactly.

916
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,160
You always want to put yourself in the best case.

917
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,160
I'm sure.

918
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,720
So, you know, you're in the four year program, right?

919
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:36,720
Oh, yeah.

920
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:37,720
Thank God.

921
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,240
So what's like that main difference?

922
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,000
Is it just the difference between the six and four, just two years?

923
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Is that all it is?

924
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Or does it more to, you know, what you learn and how much you get to see and do?

925
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680
It's not a difference in what you get to see and do.

926
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,640
And yes and no, you do those two years you're spent in medical school, right?

927
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,880
And you're getting your MD.

928
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,800
That's what differentiates the four and six.

929
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,000
But guess what, 99% of oral surgeons do the same oral surgery.

930
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,680
There's that rare one guy, you know, that gets his MD and then he goes into doing BBLs,

931
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,320
breast surgery, tummy tucks.

932
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,600
Dr. Tolomeo is who graduated from NYU here, young, young, awesome attending.

933
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,600
That's what he ended up doing.

934
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,680
But most don't end up doing that.

935
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,280
And I looked at it head on because Dr. Capuano told me very early, look, if you're interested

936
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,400
in oral surgery, unless you want to do breast implants, butt lifts, tummy tucks, you don't

937
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,400
need your MD.

938
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,400
Right.

939
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,400
You could get out sooner.

940
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,240
And on top of that, most like 99% of programs, you need to pay for those two years of medical

941
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:39,240
school.

942
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:40,240
Right.

943
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,240
At NYU, you don't luckily.

944
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:42,240
Right.

945
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,400
That's very important to keep in mind, right?

946
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,800
So why don't you spend an extra two years learning about boats when you're going to

947
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,400
be a karmic cat, for example?

948
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,400
Yeah, exactly.

949
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,160
What do they look like when it comes down to it?

950
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Exactly.

951
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,800
So like what's life like in residency now?

952
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440
This is your second year going into it?

953
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Second year.

954
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Yep.

955
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,400
So what kind of stuff did you have to go through your first year?

956
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,760
First year, I started five, six months on anesthesia rotation where you're a full on

957
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,080
anesthesia resident.

958
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,920
After that, I did six months at the Bellevue Clinic as the intern doing intern work, running

959
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,320
the clinic, setting up OR cases.

960
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,760
At that time, we didn't have a PA or coordinator.

961
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
We were short staffed in the clinic too for that time.

962
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,920
There was a lot of work to be done.

963
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:32,160
I'm talking 10 to 13 hour days, like nevertheless, usually 12 to 13 hour days, at least.

964
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Wait, no, six, 12, 13, I'm sorry, 15, 15 hour days, working six days a week.

965
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,720
And oh no, but it was a great time because I was the guy in the clinic.

966
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,320
So I got to see every patient.

967
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,600
So that was good.

968
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Now we transition to six months of rotation.

969
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Rotations.

970
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Rotations, you go off service.

971
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,880
So you're in surgical specialties on the medicine side, right?

972
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,120
General surgery rotations.

973
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Here we do, my first was general surgery at the VA.

974
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,560
Second was trauma surgery.

975
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,040
Third, which I just got off two weeks ago, was hand and plastic surgery.

976
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Yeah, plastic surgery also covers hand and they combine into one.

977
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,360
So when you're on call overnight or on a weekend day, yeah, you're covering both services,

978
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880
hand and plastics, and it's a lot of work.

979
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,360
You're on 24 hour call every third day.

980
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480
So you're on call 10 times that month that you're on.

981
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
It's a lot to take in.

982
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,760
Now I'm on bariatric surgery, which is cool because now I'm in the OR every day.

983
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:44,520
I'm assisting the bariatric attendings doing like gastric sleeves, liposuction sleeve, gastrectomies,

984
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:50,720
relish bypasses, high level hernia repairs when the stomach kind of goes up through the

985
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:51,720
sphincter.

986
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:55,000
So stuff like that.

987
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,240
Next I do one quick month back at Bellview on oral surgery and then two months of medicine

988
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,440
doing what medicine does.

989
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,520
Yeah, so what kind of different oral surgeries have you participated in and have you done?

990
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Maybe the most memorable ones, I guess.

991
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,200
You must have had a few, right?

992
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,480
A few, not as many because when you're an intern, at least you're doing mostly like

993
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,840
intern work, not as much OR in the first year.

994
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,200
But I don't, you know, the OR, I'm super excited for it.

995
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,320
The OR doesn't turn me on as much as other.

996
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,760
When you're going into private practice, most oral surgeons, and when I want to get

997
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,560
clinic based, I want to be doing a lot of sedations, wisdom teeth, implants, like community dentistry.

998
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,160
When you're in the OR, that's hospital based.

999
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,480
Dr. Puthi does a lot in the OR and that's awesome and fascinating, but you know, there's

1000
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,560
less OR time versus clinic time.

1001
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,720
And I don't know, I just want to become an expert at clinical oral surgery.

1002
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,000
In the OR, I'll get there too, but you know what I mean?

1003
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Like, so I'm not like, I'm not fretting anything because I wasn't in the OR every day my first

1004
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,960
year.

1005
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:05,360
But the biggest oral surgery procedure that I saw in the OR was at VCU.

1006
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,400
It was a bicarbonate flat where they make a decision on the top of the ear over the

1007
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,520
top of the skull to the top of the ear on the other side.

1008
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,240
And essentially this was a 41 year old male.

1009
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:19,680
He had a long history, like 20 plus years of cocaine used.

1010
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,680
He did not have a nasal septum.

1011
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:28,560
He blew holes in the lateral sides of his, you know, the, so the maxillary sinus on either

1012
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,400
side, there was a hole.

1013
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
He had a hole going downward through the top of his palate too.

1014
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,320
So whenever he drank water, it went up to his nose.

1015
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,200
So he presented the oral surgery clinic.

1016
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,560
He wanted to have that paddle defect repaired.

1017
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,920
So what they did was bicarbonate flap, they took a temporalis muscle on actually was the

1018
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,160
left side.

1019
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:54,480
The anterior portion they cut it went down underneath the zygomatic arch, bur, bur to

1020
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,160
small hole in the posterior side of the max, of the maxilla and then patched it into the

1021
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,640
superior aspect of the palate right into the max.

1022
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,480
And, and did that.

1023
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,120
So his whole head is whole.

1024
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,120
That's crazy.

1025
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,840
He's scalp was folded forward to here.

1026
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,080
It was all the way down.

1027
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Nuts just nuts.

1028
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,080
It was a 12 hour search, 12, 13 hour surgery.

1029
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,560
There was blood all over the floor, blood tracking into the hallway.

1030
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,560
It was nuts.

1031
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,960
It was a great experience.

1032
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,960
That's crazy.

1033
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,400
So I mean, I guess that that's kind of what I don't know.

1034
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,640
I feel like oral surgery is a different beast from like, you know, if you're doing a GPR

1035
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,600
residency or if you're doing an ortho, I guess, you know, we should have Sean on here also

1036
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,040
just to kind of give his perspective.

1037
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,720
But like, you know, oral surgery is very, I feel like it's the closest thing to medicine

1038
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,440
from dentistry you can get.

1039
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Ingo.

1040
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,760
And it's just like, you can just, I don't know, it's just super appealing to me to

1041
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,760
you.

1042
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,640
It is, it's awesome.

1043
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:00,640
It's awesome.

1044
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,480
The thing is, in any residency, so your dentistry, specialties, any residency and

1045
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,040
dentistry that takes call is already another beast.

1046
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,440
I think, you know, a big part of healthcare is to know how to manage complications, whether

1047
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,120
it's in the operator, whether it's in the OR in the ED, the emergency room, or it's

1048
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,520
with your family at home.

1049
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,760
When you want to be someone that you could be looked upon for just a basic but yet an

1050
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,640
emergency that you can help out with, that was something that I always thought was interesting.

1051
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,680
And GPR, pediatrics, and oral surgery take call.

1052
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,320
It's a big part to these specialties that differentiates them from the other ones.

1053
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:46,560
To call yourself a surgeon, like an actual surgeon, you really know how to manage surgical

1054
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,040
complications.

1055
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,120
You do.

1056
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,160
So, you know, I mean, I'm not there yet.

1057
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,160
I'm not a surgeon yet.

1058
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,560
I still have almost, you know, almost three years to go.

1059
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,080
But I think, you know, when we call ourselves surgeons, you really kind of have to take

1060
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,400
into aspect like, you know, you put in the time to know how to manage complications.

1061
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,400
Right.

1062
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,320
So, what are your, you know, you mentioned it, what are your goals and, you know, plans

1063
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,240
that you'd like to do after residency, you know, for the next two years?

1064
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240
What do you plan on doing?

1065
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,680
Oh, a lot.

1066
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,440
Through residency, working on.

1067
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,440
It's funny.

1068
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:29,240
It's like, I have a big passion for, I want to own, eventually, own like the oral surgery

1069
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,120
office that I work at.

1070
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Right.

1071
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,800
I think to get there, there's a lot of DSOs being, you know, going around these days,

1072
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,320
buying other practices, which are fine, everything.

1073
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,040
But I think for me, I kind of want to mold and adapt the atmosphere of my office to how

1074
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560
patients get comfortable.

1075
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Right.

1076
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,680
And I think, you know, an atmosphere that they like, that they, that they look forward

1077
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,440
to going to, most people don't go to the dentist.

1078
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Very fundamental, but it's true.

1079
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,280
And I, you know, if you're not an owner, you can't really do that.

1080
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,320
And then at the most fundamental aspect, when you're in dental school, you might not realize

1081
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,600
this, but when you work for another dentist, you get to do all the procedures that that

1082
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,880
dentist doesn't want to do.

1083
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,800
You don't get to do the procedures you want to do.

1084
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,800
Just commonly, there may be higher paid procedures.

1085
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,800
You're not doing any of them.

1086
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,560
That dentist is doing because he owns the practice.

1087
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,320
So it's something like, if you want to own your practice, you got to market yourself

1088
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,480
or you got to have the financials to open it up.

1089
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Right.

1090
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,040
You have to have the financials though.

1091
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Yeah.

1092
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,040
What are you going to do?

1093
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Yeah.

1094
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,040
Right.

1095
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,160
So I mean, I guess you have to work a little, you have to work a couple of years and then

1096
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,720
you can probably get yourself in a position for that.

1097
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:42,960
Work a couple of years or, you know, depending on how well your network, how will you market,

1098
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,160
maybe you could buy into a practice, maybe you get to know dentist, work in and buy into

1099
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,160
a practice.

1100
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,480
You're marketing yourself really well.

1101
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,920
You're starting this podcast.

1102
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:52,920
You're implementing the visuals.

1103
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,920
Yeah.

1104
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,840
Actually, I want to ask you questions about it, how you're chopping up the videos and

1105
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,840
whatnot.

1106
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:58,840
Yeah.

1107
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,840
Yeah.

1108
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,000
It's something we don't understand.

1109
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,760
Everyone thinks that they're going to graduate and then start marketing.

1110
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,760
You're behind the eight ball.

1111
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,440
I feel like you got to just have that mentality first while you're, while you have the time

1112
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,440
to, you know what I mean?

1113
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Like, you can just get out and start doing that stuff later.

1114
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,880
It's got to be now.

1115
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,880
It's got to be now.

1116
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Yeah.

1117
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,720
And you, you might, you don't have to make perfect videos.

1118
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:21,720
You just got to try.

1119
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:22,720
That's what, you know,

1120
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,240
You got to get started, to be honest.

1121
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,200
You just got to start, start doing stuff and then eventually you can fine tune it later.

1122
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,920
But as long as you have like a foundation, like I feel like that's what I'm trying to

1123
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,920
do.

1124
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Once you like a foundation, you know, in the future, you're starting to get yourself up

1125
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,120
for, for like innovation, I guess.

1126
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,120
Yeah.

1127
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,800
And it doesn't even have to be dentistry.

1128
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,320
I mean, look at Brandon Axelrod.

1129
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,320
Yeah.

1130
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,440
He's got the balloon thing that he does.

1131
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Right?

1132
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,600
That's hilarious, but it's phenomenal.

1133
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,600
Perfect.

1134
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Yeah.

1135
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,600
Think about that.

1136
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,160
He's got a client base in a pediatric population that by the time he's an oral surgeon, say

1137
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,880
he's an oral orthodontist, he's only putting braces on their teeth or taking out the wisdom

1138
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,880
teeth.

1139
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,880
Like it's, it's nice.

1140
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,280
It's nice to see, you know?

1141
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,280
It's perfect.

1142
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,520
So let's talk a little bit about your businesses now.

1143
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,800
I know you run students of dentistry, elite dentists and top-down practices.

1144
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,800
What was that?

1145
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,800
Cool.

1146
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,840
So that's what Sean's are, best friend from dental school.

1147
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,240
He's on top dental practices.

1148
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,160
And we started, we basically started all these together and more.

1149
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,600
We could go into, he's on top dental practices.

1150
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,120
I'm on elite dentists.

1151
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Brandon Axelrod is actually our, our manager of students of dentistry right now.

1152
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,920
And then we act.

1153
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,080
So that's our dentistry things.

1154
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,200
And we have other things trending in the background that we just, we need to gain some capital

1155
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,080
to afford a team that can manage them and build them.

1156
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,080
We actually have a law.

1157
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Well, we have medicine, right?

1158
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,720
So we have elite physicians, which we do get going again soon.

1159
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,480
Hopefully PAs.

1160
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,600
We have elite veterinarians for the veterinary space.

1161
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,800
And then our other big sector is law.

1162
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,800
We have top attorneys, top law firms and top law students.

1163
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,800
Right.

1164
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,280
Top attorneys is the biggest one there.

1165
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,880
My mom's running it, believe it or not.

1166
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,560
And she's a fantastic job.

1167
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,440
Your mom, are your mom's an attorney?

1168
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,840
No, she's not.

1169
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Nice.

1170
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,840
She's a background in marketing.

1171
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,240
I like to do some things.

1172
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:10,960
She took it and ran with it.

1173
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,760
So I feel like this is like a brand, right?

1174
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,760
Elite.

1175
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,760
It sounds like just a brand.

1176
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,960
And then you just kind of branching off into these different things.

1177
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Yeah.

1178
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Top professionals.

1179
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,280
So that's the name of the LLC.

1180
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,240
So it's not just about, we feature everyone for free, right?

1181
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,840
We try to promote.

1182
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,280
But it's about connecting the community again.

1183
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,360
That's really what it's about.

1184
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,360
And it's different niches.

1185
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,560
Dental students, dentists, dental practices.

1186
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,920
But we're trying to bring bigger things to the space, right?

1187
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,360
And social media is starting to change where there's TikTok now.

1188
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,520
There's YouTube shorts.

1189
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,520
Yeah.

1190
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,520
Real.

1191
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,280
Fan pages are getting back into it.

1192
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,120
You got LinkedIn for the professional community and then your podcast, right?

1193
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,120
There's so many sets.

1194
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,120
It's very deep.

1195
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,200
But what we're trying to do is kind of actually, so what I'm saying is like as Instagram is

1196
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,880
starting to diffusing where a lot of the attention is going to other platforms, we're still trying

1197
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,720
to bring a bigger side of the.

1198
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,960
YouTube, essentially what we're trying to do right now is we created the pre-dental

1199
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,240
mentor map and we have many other maps coming as we build.

1200
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,280
But the pre-dental mentor map is to connect pre-dental students with current dental students

1201
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,160
that sign up with the map to be mentors for their specific school.

1202
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,680
So the pre-dental student can submit some questions that can be answered by the, hey,

1203
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,600
you know, what do you like about the school?

1204
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,600
What don't you like?

1205
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,360
What would you recommend me doing an undergrad?

1206
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Like, what did you do an undergrad?

1207
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,040
That's a good DAT study, so just simple questions, right?

1208
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,320
But what we'd like to do now is partner and I don't want to reveal too much now because

1209
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,480
the paragraph isn't sealed, but wouldn't it be pretty cool if a current dental student

1210
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,240
can make a little bit of cash just from act, just literally helping the pre-dental student

1211
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:54,240
incentive.

1212
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,720
It's incentive for them to, right?

1213
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:57,720
Yeah.

1214
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,120
200 bucks a month.

1215
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Isn't it goes a long way as a dental student, right?

1216
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,600
200 bucks, dude, that's almost groceries for a month.

1217
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,600
Yeah.

1218
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,600
Right?

1219
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,440
Well, now with inflation, you know, you get it, right?

1220
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,000
So that's kind of where we're looking to see.

1221
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,240
We literally, so what I saw at this side topic, I saw a lot of students that started side companies

1222
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,440
and whatnot through at dental school.

1223
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Right.

1224
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,480
They were like charging pre-dental students to get their knowledge, you know, help them

1225
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,480
get into dental school.

1226
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:34,480
And I get that, but the way Sean and I saw it from the get-go was pre-dental students

1227
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,720
are like the calves, right?

1228
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,680
Don't you want to take down the cows?

1229
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,000
And what I mean by that is we're not taking down anyone, but you have these big dental

1230
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
marketing companies, Loops companies.

1231
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,600
I don't want to mention any names, but these Loops companies have a lot of marketing dollars

1232
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:55,840
and they don't want to spend it because figs, Medico and a lot of Loops companies, they're

1233
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,480
getting away with free marketing from dental students, literally giving it away for a discount

1234
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,480
code.

1235
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,480
All right.

1236
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:08,080
They're giving away free marketing to companies that 10 years ago would spend 50 million trying

1237
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,320
to market to pre-dental students and whatnot.

1238
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:17,560
Those are the people I think we should be trying to gain funds from because we've created

1239
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,120
something that you see what I'm saying?

1240
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,120
Yeah.

1241
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:27,760
We're trying free, not treatment, right, but free help to pre-dental students and helping

1242
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,600
the bigger companies connect with the pre-dental students as our customers, but in an organic

1243
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,800
way where you're not ripping anyone off.

1244
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,520
Like actual genuine information.

1245
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Genuine information, right?

1246
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Yeah.

1247
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,880
So our initial pitch was like, we're connecting pre-dental students with current dental students.

1248
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,920
We'd like to give a discount code for their next pair of Loops to the current dental students,

1249
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,920
right?

1250
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,600
And then you could sponsor the entire pre-dent mentor map.

1251
00:56:54,600 --> 00:57:00,240
And now every pre-dent that goes through this map knows, is aware of, or scoptic, Designs

1252
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:01,960
for Vision, Qoptics, whoever it may be.

1253
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,160
They didn't want to spend the money.

1254
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,560
We like, look, we weren't asking for a ridiculous amount compared to what they put into marketing

1255
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,720
year after year, but we're giving them an organic form of brand recognition.

1256
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:16,720
Yeah.

1257
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,160
So we're going to keep going at it, but pre-dents come first.

1258
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,160
Are you kidding me?

1259
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Like, we're trying to build something.

1260
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,560
So yeah, a lot of side topics there, but so this is kind of the actual going.

1261
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Don't get malicious and try to feed off the calves.

1262
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,080
Is that, you know, go after the bucks, the people that are established, the companies

1263
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,920
that have the money, you know?

1264
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,120
Yeah, for sure.

1265
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,240
That's a very deep conversation.

1266
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:49,200
And I feel like, you know, that's, that's like the next level of what pre-dental advice

1267
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,200
can become.

1268
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,480
You know, there's a lot of kids that, you know, we'll ask in our group, our groupie group

1269
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,800
chats, like our other pre-dentals, they'll just ask us questions and we might not be

1270
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,800
able to answer.

1271
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,800
And honestly, like you have this entire resource of dental students, you have these 69 dental

1272
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,400
schools that got maybe freaking thousands of dental students ready to help you, but

1273
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,160
they're not doing anything because they're just doing their own work, but they're not,

1274
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,880
you know, passing this information down.

1275
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,320
And so that's like the point of this podcast is, you know, one by one, you know, give a

1276
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,400
little bit of information out, tell everyone their stories and give them the contact information

1277
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,280
and just kind of, you know, let them do whatever they want with that, you know?

1278
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,280
Yeah, exactly.

1279
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,280
Exactly.

1280
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Oh, and there's dimensions to this map too.

1281
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,640
We want people to connect with the dental students and we make it easy for the dental

1282
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,680
student where it just, it's literally just an email that pops into their email and they

1283
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,080
could just send it back.

1284
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,720
We've narrowed it down to, we try to make it just three questions.

1285
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
It's super convenient for them.

1286
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,840
We've also made, you use student doctor network.

1287
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:46,840
I've heard of it.

1288
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,840
I've heard of it.

1289
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,840
I don't use it.

1290
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Right?

1291
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,840
Yeah.

1292
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,440
There's, like, there's questions about dental schools, Reds, on student doctor network,

1293
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,040
but there's no student doctor network specifically for dental schools.

1294
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,600
We've created discussion boards on the pre-dent map so people can leave comments about the

1295
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,000
school here, what the DAT actually might be, whatever.

1296
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
I don't know.

1297
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,000
We're getting there.

1298
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Yeah.

1299
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,000
We want it to be useful.

1300
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,720
I think that's really important because there's not much pre-dental advising help.

1301
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,200
And I feel like even if there was, there's no, it wouldn't be like a direct source.

1302
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,640
It'd be like some male or female woman who's like in their sixties, probably never went

1303
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,640
to dental school.

1304
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,640
They don't have that first real experience.

1305
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,840
So, you know, what you're doing is perfect.

1306
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,840
You know, it's like first hand experience.

1307
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,840
Yeah.

1308
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,920
That's been important for people nowadays.

1309
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,320
So yeah.

1310
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,680
So everyone you could follow at Brandon at your Instagram.

1311
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,720
I'll put it somewhere in the description later.

1312
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,880
And there's other 25 businesses you've got going on.

1313
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,600
I watched all of your reels that you put on and they're so entertaining.

1314
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Like case studies, questions, I might get the wrong.

1315
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,640
I don't care.

1316
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,640
I don't really care.

1317
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,360
But yeah, just day in the life.

1318
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,760
You're on like day 500 now or something like that.

1319
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,760
I don't know.

1320
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,760
But we're getting there.

1321
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,760
Yeah.

1322
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,760
I try to do a lot of different dimensions.

1323
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,480
Like, you know, I tried to see, like not see, but I'm trying to connect with the community

1324
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,480
by providing.

1325
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,080
And that's what the questions of the day are.

1326
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,760
You know, I want to learn a little topic.

1327
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,880
You can learn a little topic.

1328
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,760
And then you got the day through residency and then I repost Q&As.

1329
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:12,760
I don't know.

1330
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,360
I just try to make different content.

1331
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,360
I'll do everything, you know.

1332
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,360
Yeah.

1333
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,360
What have I do?

1334
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,360
So what's your next step?

1335
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,360
You are, which year?

1336
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,760
I'm a junior now.

1337
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:22,760
So third year going.

1338
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,760
Okay.

1339
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,760
Probably going to start applying in June.

1340
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:26,760
Good.

1341
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,760
DAT the winter.

1342
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Get all the rec letters and stuff.

1343
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,160
So I'm an Orgo 2TA now.

1344
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,400
So I did Orgo 1 last year.

1345
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Last semester.

1346
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,600
So I guess rec letters there, whatever.

1347
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,600
I've been assisting since January 2021.

1348
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Okay.

1349
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,600
Office.

1350
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,600
A lot of great experience.

1351
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,400
Honestly, like one of the best choices I could have made early in my freshman year.

1352
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,600
So second semester freshman year started January.

1353
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,600
Yeah.

1354
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,600
That's perfect.

1355
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,400
That honestly set me up for, you know, it's just been motivation every single time I go

1356
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,400
into work.

1357
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,600
You know, if I'm having a weird time, like I've talked to this in past podcasts, but

1358
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,600
like, you know, if it's, if I'm stuck in the books for an exam or something and I go to

1359
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,600
work, it reminds me like where I am, you know?

1360
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,600
Yeah.

1361
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:17,100
You know, getting to do an X hour root canal, all these different things, crowns, fillings,

1362
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:21,100
all this stuff that you just kind of gets me back into it, you know, working with your

1363
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,340
hands, making temps, doing night guard, stuff like that.

1364
01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:25,600
So honestly, it's a great experience.

1365
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,840
And on the side, I'm shadowing all these great people, you know, shadowing what we don't

1366
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,840
have in the office.

1367
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,800
You know, we don't have any real world surgery, so and I'm just shadowing those specialties,

1368
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,080
just kind of get a little taste of everything.

1369
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:44,340
And just, you know, chugging along, enjoying life, just, you know, taking it day by day,

1370
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:45,640
I guess.

1371
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,920
And so what's, what's your next step, you think?

1372
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,240
So you're in third year, you're going to take the DAT later this year, you're going to start

1373
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,320
studying over the winter.

1374
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,320
That's good.

1375
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,920
That's really good.

1376
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,920
What are you looking?

1377
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,920
I mean, you're shadowing.

1378
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:58,920
That's excellent.

1379
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,920
You're going to have a lot of different things.

1380
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,040
There's direct where you need in school as well as outside of school.

1381
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,440
You're getting connections, great connections that you're going to need when you apply to

1382
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,440
Stony Brook.

1383
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,440
So that's fantastic.

1384
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,440
As well as other schools.

1385
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,440
What else?

1386
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,440
What else can I help you?

1387
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,560
What am I trying to think?

1388
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,640
How can I help you while I'm on this call, you know?

1389
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Applying to like choosing which schools, you know, to go for.

1390
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,440
And I feel like all the Northeast schools are definitely like what people do.

1391
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,720
But if they go to Stony Brook, they kind of choose to stay somewhat close.

1392
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,720
Yeah.

1393
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,240
And then the whole conversation where I have to think about it and just kind of narrow

1394
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,240
down schools.

1395
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,640
And I feel like, I feel like that could come after the DAT is taken.

1396
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,400
Then you understand where you are and you know, where you can apply and stuff.

1397
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,400
So exactly.

1398
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,400
Got it.

1399
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,280
I think that's just the next step to be honest, getting out of the way.

1400
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,200
And then after that, personal statement, rec letter, stuff like that, you know, all the

1401
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,480
basics and then just go for it.

1402
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,400
And then, you know, really just trying to get this going, get this podcast thing out

1403
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,280
there and more popular and just, you know.

1404
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,720
I don't even care if like two people listen to this, but those are two people.

1405
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,320
I've had two people that texted me and like they, they listed the whole thing and they,

1406
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,480
they've really been getting a lot from it.

1407
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,360
We had Sayed from Columbia come on.

1408
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,360
Yep.

1409
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,560
We talked about interviews at Brandon talked about interviews.

1410
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,600
One of my friends is going to Columbia.

1411
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:14,600
He just had an interview there.

1412
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,880
So he got some great tips from the interview process video, which we had.

1413
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,000
So, you know, that just kind of makes, that's motivation to keep doing this and just keep

1414
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000
going.

1415
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,560
So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.

1416
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:31,200
You know, um, you know, trying to keep healthy, just helping happy, you know, that's the

1417
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:49,080
kind of system.