WEBVTT 00:00:03.950 --> 00:00:06.690 You're listening to a podcast of spurious morality. 00:01:02.060 --> 00:01:05.459 Hello and welcome to a podcast of spurious morality. 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.500 I'm Johnston and I've got Mansour back with me 00:01:08.500 --> 00:01:12.200 this week. Hello, Mansour. Hello. So we missed 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.700 you last week. I had a good chat with Greg about 00:01:14.700 --> 00:01:17.219 The Well, though, and I will sort of get your 00:01:17.219 --> 00:01:20.400 take on it later on. But we're mainly here to 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.560 talk about Lucky Day, which is obviously the... 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:27.319 The latest episode of Doctor Who. It's a Doctor 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:30.579 Light episode, but I quite like what they did 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:32.439 with this Doctor Light episode. We didn't have 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.900 much Doctor, but we brought Ruby back. It was 00:01:34.900 --> 00:01:37.700 good to see Ruby again. And we also got to spend 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:40.379 a bit more time with Unit, which I was quite 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:42.859 happy about. I really think we do need to see 00:01:42.859 --> 00:01:45.799 more of this Unit. We've talked about how reduced 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.159 episode count means things are feeling a bit 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:52.319 rushed. I think Unit's one of those things. Unit 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.939 has a big tower now, and there's a thing there 00:01:54.939 --> 00:01:57.400 called the Blinks, which seems to run away like 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.200 a king of Monty Python whenever danger appears. 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:04.480 We've been introduced to a lot of Unit characters 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.640 and sort of seen them once or twice, and then 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.020 they've trotted off, so it's good for them to 00:02:09.020 --> 00:02:13.180 come back. So just generally, I quite liked the 00:02:13.180 --> 00:02:15.379 fact that this just did a few things that I've 00:02:15.379 --> 00:02:19.580 kind of wanted to see for a little bit. So yeah, 00:02:19.620 --> 00:02:24.319 I quite liked Lucky Day and it did some interesting 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:30.180 things. It was an interesting use of the Doctor 00:02:30.180 --> 00:02:33.659 Light sort of format that we got in the first 00:02:33.659 --> 00:02:35.740 Russell T Davies and we got a couple of the last 00:02:35.740 --> 00:02:42.879 series. And I think this did something quite 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.280 clever. It was sort of setting itself up to be 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.090 a bit Love and Monsters -y. And then completely 00:02:48.090 --> 00:02:51.030 turned that on its head halfway through. And 00:02:51.030 --> 00:02:53.930 I quite liked how it did that. You know, I was 00:02:53.930 --> 00:02:55.889 sort of settling in going, oh, here we go. When's 00:02:55.889 --> 00:02:58.729 Peter Kay going to turn up or whatever? And then 00:02:58.729 --> 00:03:01.810 it totally went off in a different direction 00:03:01.810 --> 00:03:06.189 and not necessarily won. I was not going to say 00:03:06.189 --> 00:03:08.490 I wasn't expecting it. Like I'd spotted that 00:03:08.490 --> 00:03:12.129 Conrad was a wrong gun, as I'm sure most people 00:03:12.129 --> 00:03:15.009 watching it had. But it was just kind of interesting 00:03:15.009 --> 00:03:18.430 to see. where it went. So yeah, good to catch 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:20.669 up with Ruby, good to catch up with Unit. And 00:03:20.669 --> 00:03:25.610 I quite liked the concept of dealing with units 00:03:25.610 --> 00:03:29.009 in the age of the internet and the conspiracy 00:03:29.009 --> 00:03:33.370 theorists and the sort of terrible sort of people 00:03:33.370 --> 00:03:36.750 that Conrad was one of. What was your take on 00:03:36.750 --> 00:03:42.289 it, Mansoor? Yeah, I really liked it for all 00:03:42.289 --> 00:03:46.479 those reasons. I think, like you said, making 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.240 a virtue of the Dr. Light aspect, making that 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.919 part of the plot in the way that Love and Monsters 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.419 did as well. I think it's an interesting contrast 00:03:56.419 --> 00:03:58.639 or companion piece to a few things. So, yeah, 00:03:58.699 --> 00:04:01.599 there's the contrast between Elton in Love and 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.639 Monsters and then Conrad, because you see these 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.759 two characters, like I say, start out on a journey 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.520 that looks very similar and then... the big reveal 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:13.879 shows you that, no, that these are very different 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.480 people who react to similar situations in very 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.139 different ways. And also, like, a nice companion 00:04:21.139 --> 00:04:25.079 piece in terms of just tone and, like, the focus 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.860 on Ruby, it kind of connects quite well, I think, 00:04:28.860 --> 00:04:33.959 to 73 Yards. I think, did they have a director 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.379 in common? They had something else in common 00:04:36.379 --> 00:04:39.839 besides focusing on Ruby. There was something. 00:04:40.540 --> 00:04:43.019 behind the scenes, I think. I might have been 00:04:43.019 --> 00:04:44.779 directing or I might have been misremembering. 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:48.379 But yeah, I think it works quite well as a little 00:04:48.379 --> 00:04:51.240 companion piece to that. There's a little mention 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:58.160 of Albion as well, the political party from 73 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:05.600 Yards. If there was anything... There weren't 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:10.389 any major issues with it for me. there were some 00:05:10.389 --> 00:05:14.350 things that I've seen commented on that I'd agree 00:05:14.350 --> 00:05:16.810 with around pacing and I feel like that's a bit 00:05:16.810 --> 00:05:20.290 of a thing for this season or even era of Doctor 00:05:20.290 --> 00:05:24.209 Who in general that sometimes in an effort to 00:05:24.209 --> 00:05:28.389 like trim all the fat and just zip through it 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:31.610 and you know hold everyone's attention it sometimes 00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:37.779 goes a little bit too fast and there's It's not 00:05:37.779 --> 00:05:39.500 like loads, but I just feel like a lot of these 00:05:39.500 --> 00:05:41.579 episodes would benefit from an extra five or 00:05:41.579 --> 00:05:44.720 ten minutes just to flesh out a couple of aspects. 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:48.899 Yeah, I don't know what you thought about or 00:05:48.899 --> 00:05:50.699 what you think about this era in general in terms 00:05:50.699 --> 00:05:53.720 of things like pacing. I have to admit with this 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.740 one, I did feel as though the whole the internet 00:05:58.740 --> 00:06:01.279 is against Ruby and Unity thing kind of passed 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:05.529 by too quickly. They could have really done something 00:06:05.529 --> 00:06:10.389 with that. Having the internet or a bunch of 00:06:10.389 --> 00:06:13.269 right -wing conspiracy theorists or whatever 00:06:13.269 --> 00:06:17.550 turn on you must be an extremely nasty experience, 00:06:17.610 --> 00:06:22.069 and I feel as though we didn't quite get as much 00:06:22.069 --> 00:06:25.970 of that as we could. Yeah, and I feel like in 00:06:25.970 --> 00:06:29.089 RTD1 we would have done. I feel like in RTD1 00:06:29.089 --> 00:06:31.529 there would have been a scene intercut to show 00:06:31.529 --> 00:06:35.680 something. I know there were a few little intercut... 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:39.339 Were there a couple of intercut TV things? It 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:42.420 was like Trinity Wells and... I love that Trinity 00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:47.180 Wells is like a proper right -wing American broadcaster. 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.699 Yeah, so it wasn't just like... In the giggle, 00:06:51.740 --> 00:06:54.040 it wasn't just the Z -dex or the giggle that 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.139 was affecting her. It seems like she has those 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:01.660 sort of leanings anyway. Yes. That's an interesting 00:07:01.660 --> 00:07:03.360 contrast as well, because I think part of the 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:07.300 point of the giggle was, if I'm remembering right, 00:07:07.379 --> 00:07:09.160 wasn't it that it was bringing to the surface 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.579 the sort of unpleasant things that people have, 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.439 like the sort of unconscious racism or unconscious 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.339 bias that people might have, even if they're 00:07:18.339 --> 00:07:21.740 quite liberal or right -minded on the surface, 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:25.060 they might have these socially ingrained prejudices 00:07:25.060 --> 00:07:30.259 that the giggle was releasing. Yeah, and this 00:07:30.259 --> 00:07:33.439 was, like, different. This wasn't about any sort 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.160 of mind control. It was just, like, very human, 00:07:38.259 --> 00:07:42.699 very unpleasantly real and relevant contemporary 00:07:42.699 --> 00:07:49.500 things that we see today. Yes, absolutely. But, 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.759 yeah, I mean, I agree not just this episode. 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:55.649 I agree with you overall that we're... Some things 00:07:55.649 --> 00:07:57.670 are moving a little bit too quickly. I'd like 00:07:57.670 --> 00:08:01.089 us to spend time on things. I genuinely thought 00:08:01.089 --> 00:08:03.329 this episode had the mileage to be a two -parter. 00:08:04.470 --> 00:08:08.529 Yeah, easily. There was definitely room for the 00:08:08.529 --> 00:08:12.689 story to be stretched out a little bit. But yeah, 00:08:12.769 --> 00:08:17.509 I enjoyed it, and I agree with you. Things moved 00:08:17.509 --> 00:08:21.399 a little too quickly. You know, rubies. Ruby's 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.480 relationship with Conrad kind of happened too 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.339 quickly. It was kind of like they went out for 00:08:25.339 --> 00:08:27.379 dinner then all of a sudden, oh, five dates now 00:08:27.379 --> 00:08:31.319 and then, you know, this kind of thing. We very 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:35.659 rarely get like director's cuts of episodes. 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.419 We get like deleted scenes sometimes separately 00:08:38.419 --> 00:08:42.059 on DVD. But I'd be really curious with especially 00:08:42.059 --> 00:08:44.279 this era, what it would look like if some of 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.870 the cut scenes were put back in. Yeah. Yeah, 00:08:48.889 --> 00:08:51.889 what that would do to the pacing. Because I don't 00:08:51.889 --> 00:08:54.669 know if all of it made it to being filmed, but 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:56.289 there's bits of script that have been released 00:08:56.289 --> 00:08:59.809 with this era that kind of give a little bit 00:08:59.809 --> 00:09:01.710 extra detail here and there on bits and pieces. 00:09:04.190 --> 00:09:06.509 Yeah, it'd be interesting to see sort of what 00:09:06.509 --> 00:09:10.690 there is for this one. It'd be a good one for 00:09:10.690 --> 00:09:15.049 novelisation. Yeah, is that on the list? I can't 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:21.460 remember now. I think it's Empire of Death, Robot 00:09:21.460 --> 00:09:28.820 Revolution and The Well. Was it? I'm not sure 00:09:28.820 --> 00:09:31.080 if it is. I can't remember off the top of my 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.179 head at all. But yeah, I think this could benefit 00:09:35.179 --> 00:09:38.340 with a bit of fleshing out. Maybe it'll be fleshed 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:42.980 out a bit in The War Between the Land and Sea 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:47.210 because it was obviously a bit of set up. Yeah, 00:09:47.230 --> 00:09:51.669 some kind of backdoor pilot setup type idea thing. 00:09:52.789 --> 00:09:56.330 And I hope perhaps we do get to deal with unit 00:09:56.330 --> 00:09:58.789 in the world of social media a little bit more 00:09:58.789 --> 00:10:02.769 when that comes along. But we'll discuss that 00:10:02.769 --> 00:10:05.190 more in a moment. Because it's not wrapped up 00:10:05.190 --> 00:10:08.090 entirely neatly at the end, is it? Like Geneva's 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:11.529 unhappy with the way Kate acted. Yes, that hashtag 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:14.330 thing seems to wrap up. quite conveniently where 00:10:14.330 --> 00:10:16.590 everyone's suddenly on unit side but that could 00:10:16.590 --> 00:10:19.149 be a very temporary fickle thing and it could 00:10:19.149 --> 00:10:22.549 it could be that there is now in the air some 00:10:22.549 --> 00:10:25.409 questioning or debate about unit and what they 00:10:25.409 --> 00:10:32.210 do yeah it's um yeah i think there needs to be 00:10:32.210 --> 00:10:36.190 that sort of that gray area um you know they're 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:39.110 a big international organization with a huge 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:41.429 tower and everyone seems to know what they do 00:10:41.429 --> 00:10:45.309 so People are going to have opinions about that 00:10:45.309 --> 00:10:47.409 and those opinions are going to sway things. 00:10:48.710 --> 00:10:51.250 So hopefully, yeah, we get a little bit more 00:10:51.250 --> 00:10:55.009 of that. I like that. I like looking into, you 00:10:55.009 --> 00:10:56.889 know, social media and that kind of thing. I 00:10:56.889 --> 00:10:58.830 like it when Doctor Who does that and I don't 00:10:58.830 --> 00:11:01.850 think it sort of has pushed far enough a lot 00:11:01.850 --> 00:11:03.730 of the time. So I think this is a good opportunity 00:11:03.730 --> 00:11:09.100 to kind of do that. So obviously the big thing 00:11:09.100 --> 00:11:11.899 was it was a Ruby episode. Like, the Doctor's 00:11:11.899 --> 00:11:15.440 hardly in it, Belinda's in it even less, but 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.960 Ruby definitely took centre stage and it was 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:23.059 very much what has Ruby been doing since we left 00:11:23.059 --> 00:11:27.240 her behind. And it turns out she's been not doing 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.980 a very good job of letting go of the Doctor and 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:33.240 she's maybe a little bit PTSD with the whole 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:39.909 thing. And... But it's good that we're revisiting 00:11:39.909 --> 00:11:42.789 her. I'm glad that we are revisiting Ruby because 00:11:42.789 --> 00:11:45.529 I've said quite a few times I thought the way 00:11:45.529 --> 00:11:48.889 she was left was a little bit abrupt and definitely 00:11:48.889 --> 00:11:53.350 served the plot more than served anything else. 00:11:55.289 --> 00:11:57.389 Or served the series, I should say, more than 00:11:57.389 --> 00:12:00.470 anything else. So we've got Ruby back. She's 00:12:00.470 --> 00:12:02.590 grown up a little bit, which I think is good. 00:12:04.470 --> 00:12:08.350 She's... Still quite vulnerable, and that did 00:12:08.350 --> 00:12:10.549 come across a few times in that series. She's 00:12:10.549 --> 00:12:13.629 a strong character, but she does have her vulnerabilities, 00:12:13.710 --> 00:12:17.389 and that's still there and present. But yeah, 00:12:17.450 --> 00:12:20.809 she's sort of in her post -doctor life, with 00:12:20.809 --> 00:12:23.309 her two mums and all that kind of thing. She's 00:12:23.309 --> 00:12:26.889 a little bit more grown up, and she's dealing 00:12:26.889 --> 00:12:29.230 with things, dealing with the world differently. 00:12:30.659 --> 00:12:33.080 One thing I couldn't quite work out was what 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.679 her relationship with Unit was. Like, was she 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.440 working for Unit? Because if she was, I don't 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.000 think she'd be doing a podcast about Unit. But 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.639 also she's got Kate on speed dial and can seem 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:49.059 to wander in and out of HQ at will. I feel like 00:12:49.059 --> 00:12:53.000 it was maybe Kate has tried to recruit her and 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.740 she said no. I didn't get the feeling. I felt 00:12:55.740 --> 00:12:58.919 like they were in touch, but that she wasn't 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:04.559 working there. But Kate definitely seemed very, 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.220 very protective of her towards the end, especially. 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.480 I quite like this whole unit is there to look 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.179 after previous companions of the Doctor thing. 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:21.679 But, you know, it's a route to bring other past 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.740 companions back, I guess. It's, you know, we've 00:13:24.740 --> 00:13:28.299 got Mel working for unit and, you know, we've 00:13:28.299 --> 00:13:32.070 already had Ace and Tegan. Yeah, and was it Mel 00:13:32.070 --> 00:13:36.029 and someone else got a mention being busy off 00:13:36.029 --> 00:13:39.710 screen somewhere? Yes, I caught Mel, I didn't 00:13:39.710 --> 00:13:42.750 catch anybody else. It might have just been Mel, 00:13:42.830 --> 00:13:45.970 but they were just nodding to the fact that there 00:13:45.970 --> 00:13:48.309 are these other people who are still working 00:13:48.309 --> 00:13:50.649 here, but they're not going to be in every episode 00:13:50.649 --> 00:13:55.049 because they're big stars we can't get for every 00:13:55.049 --> 00:13:57.570 single appearance. There's definitely a sense 00:13:57.570 --> 00:14:01.730 of whoever's free this week. Isn't there? Yeah, 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:04.350 well, Shirley is just quietly slotted back in. 00:14:04.470 --> 00:14:11.029 There wasn't any mention of one of the child 00:14:11.029 --> 00:14:16.450 labour people. Was it Morris? Yeah, Morris or 00:14:16.450 --> 00:14:21.970 Rose. Yeah, both. Maybe there'd been some legal 00:14:21.970 --> 00:14:24.789 action and they've had to stop doing that. Maybe 00:14:24.789 --> 00:14:31.539 Geneva didn't like that either. I've no idea. 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:36.259 I'm fine with Unit having a rotating group of 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:38.200 regulars. It did that in the classic series. 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:41.399 Benton wasn't there every story. Mike Yates wasn't 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:47.860 there every story. I can deal with that. Threats 00:14:47.860 --> 00:14:51.120 can come in 24 hours a day, so it makes sense 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.360 that they wouldn't all be on call at the same 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.720 time. There's a slightly odd thing with Star 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.919 Trek is that the bridge crew are always... around 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.720 and on call when a crisis is happening. It's 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.980 a bit more realistic. It's actually more realistic 00:15:03.980 --> 00:15:06.620 this way to have like a rotating set of staff 00:15:06.620 --> 00:15:10.399 coming in and out. Yeah, it's never like a nighttime 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.279 crew of like not very good Starfleet officers. 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.600 Yeah, so it's, yeah, it's just sort of good to 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.259 see that units are sort of actively seeking out 00:15:26.259 --> 00:15:30.100 past friends of the Doctor. At least looking 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:34.200 after them. But yeah, I think that sort of the 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.019 whole Unit After Dark and the way Unit was, and 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:40.379 it is setting up for a spin -off series, obviously. 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.080 I still want to know what the hell the Vlinx 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.200 is. Like, it's a cool idea, but what is it? Why 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.899 is it there? Whose fault is it? Yeah, I did think 00:15:52.899 --> 00:15:56.279 of Bracer Robin when... He disappeared because 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.360 it felt like because he's built into the set, 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:04.059 they wrote the script and there weren't any lines 00:16:04.059 --> 00:16:05.799 for him and there wasn't anything for him to 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.320 do. And then they realised that they had to get 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.340 him out. So there was just like a line inserted 00:16:10.340 --> 00:16:13.759 to kind of like when K -9 would break down and 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.740 conveniently not be like trundling along on uneven 00:16:18.740 --> 00:16:22.679 terrain. Yeah, when his batteries needed recharging. 00:16:23.500 --> 00:16:25.779 But it was very much just run away, run away. 00:16:28.179 --> 00:16:31.559 Because when he said that, I assumed that everyone 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.559 would be evacuating. He was triggering some evacuation 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.580 protocol for all of them to keep them all safe. 00:16:38.740 --> 00:16:43.080 But no, everyone else was just there still and 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.940 he'd gone. Yeah, I want to know what he's about. 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.399 Like I say, it's a cool idea. I'm sure it's going 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.379 to sell. action figures, trading cards, whatever 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:57.700 it needs to do. It keeps Nick Briggs in the studio 00:16:57.700 --> 00:17:00.000 for them when obviously we're not getting much 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.859 happening with the Daleks. But what is it? Why 00:17:04.859 --> 00:17:10.220 have you, Nick, got an alien computer robot droid 00:17:10.220 --> 00:17:12.880 thingy? And again, if we're answering this in 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.279 a spin -off series, let's do that. I'm okay with 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:21.569 that. Yeah, it was just kind of, I mean, the 00:17:21.569 --> 00:17:24.329 nearest thing I can compare it to is Mr. Smith 00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:29.730 in the Sarah Jane Adventures. And we got a whole 00:17:29.730 --> 00:17:32.609 storyline about where Mr. Smith came from and 00:17:32.609 --> 00:17:35.210 actually he was a bit of a wronger than working 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:37.890 with the Slitheen and all of that. And like, 00:17:37.950 --> 00:17:40.930 okay, is the Vlynx doing that? Because I'm not 00:17:40.930 --> 00:17:43.490 getting anything sinister from it at all. I'm 00:17:43.490 --> 00:17:45.250 getting runaway runaway, but I'm not getting 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:48.109 sinister. Whereas Mr. Smith was kind of dropping 00:17:48.109 --> 00:17:50.250 I'm slightly sinister hints all the way through 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:53.990 that first series of Sarah Jane. I thought about 00:17:53.990 --> 00:17:56.630 Mr. Smith and whether it would be that kind of 00:17:56.630 --> 00:18:00.829 surprise reveal. But then that made me also think, 00:18:01.009 --> 00:18:03.130 OK, maybe the reason they got rid of him in this 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:06.210 episode was also a tonal thing. If they are trying 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:10.230 to engage with more real world politics and have 00:18:10.230 --> 00:18:13.390 a unit take a darker turn and have Kate enter 00:18:13.390 --> 00:18:18.000 this morally grey area. Maybe just the flinks 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.940 sitting in the corner, just his whole vibe just 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:25.319 doesn't fit with that sort of time. I wonder 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.240 if they created him and thought, oh, this is 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.000 a cool thing that can sit in the corner of the 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.259 building, and then went, ah, we've written ourselves 00:18:32.259 --> 00:18:36.420 into a corner here. I hope it goes somewhere. 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.779 I hope that it isn't just the computer that sits 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:42.359 in the corner. I hope there's something to it. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:46.160 I hope we get an explanation. If they're waiting 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:50.700 until the war between the land and sea to give 00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:53.740 us that, it is stretching it a bit because presumably 00:18:53.740 --> 00:18:58.039 unit's going to show up again later in this series 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:01.640 because we know that we've got Mel coming back 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.440 at some point. Presumably that's linked to unit. 00:19:05.500 --> 00:19:08.420 So it's fair to say we've got more. I mean, I'm 00:19:08.420 --> 00:19:10.500 assuming it's fair to say we've got more Ruby 00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:17.779 as well. Yeah, it didn't feel like this. It would 00:19:17.779 --> 00:19:21.960 feel like quite a downbeat note to end her character 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.400 on. Just for that, I feel like we're going to 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.619 see her again. Last time we spoke about it a 00:19:27.619 --> 00:19:30.400 couple of weeks ago, I sort of said, I want her 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.000 in the TARDIS. Like, I want the Doctor and Belinda 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.799 and Ruby as a TARDIS team. Yeah, they haven't 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.900 met as well. I feel like that's something they 00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:41.440 would want. Yeah, because we were kind of speculating, 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.000 like, how's this going to work? Is it going to 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.289 be like a... a doctor's daughter kind of deal 00:19:45.289 --> 00:19:47.630 with Martha and Donna. But actually, they've 00:19:47.630 --> 00:19:50.230 not met. Ruby's just had a separate adventure. 00:19:52.490 --> 00:19:56.809 So I still want that to happen. And I do want 00:19:56.809 --> 00:20:00.069 to see sort of a three -character dynamic in 00:20:00.069 --> 00:20:03.069 the TARDIS between them. And that's kind of what 00:20:03.069 --> 00:20:08.950 the press release about Belinda implied. So I 00:20:08.950 --> 00:20:12.019 want to know what's... what's going on there 00:20:12.019 --> 00:20:13.779 I'm assuming they're just going to meet up in 00:20:13.779 --> 00:20:18.640 the finale and it's cool but I feel that maybe 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:20.599 we've missed an opportunity if that's not the 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:30.279 case perhaps but yeah it was a good episode even 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.660 if I've heard a few people say and I struggle 00:20:33.660 --> 00:20:36.519 to disagree with this actually some people have 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.009 said it's kind of a bit directionless And I think 00:20:39.009 --> 00:20:40.990 it just seems like that at the moment. I think 00:20:40.990 --> 00:20:43.210 it's actually very significant in terms of setting 00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:49.490 up a spin -off series, but it didn't quite lead 00:20:49.490 --> 00:20:52.009 into a spin -off series, did it? It was a Doctor 00:20:52.009 --> 00:20:54.769 Who episode that did its own thing. And I think 00:20:54.769 --> 00:20:58.349 I'd have maybe preferred a more direct link. 00:21:00.289 --> 00:21:02.890 Maybe in retrospect it will be, because I think 00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:06.369 there were comments from Pete McTighe or Russell 00:21:06.369 --> 00:21:10.900 T Davies about it. setting up some stuff. That's 00:21:10.900 --> 00:21:12.720 probably because you don't want it to be like 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:16.319 a really conspicuous backdoor pilot. It should 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:20.339 be something that fits in the main series without 00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:23.400 standing out too much. Look at how they introduced 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:28.380 Torchwood in series two. We knew that Torchwood 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:30.019 was coming. They actually announced Torchwood. 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.519 They announced it was a series called Torchwood 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.740 and then they started dropping to Torchwood into 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:41.819 Doctor Who, which then built up to Army of Ghosts 00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:45.839 and Doomsday. And that kind of did its own thing, 00:21:45.859 --> 00:21:48.500 but firmly established what Torchwood was. And 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:50.980 then we got to spin off into Torchwood, which 00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:53.400 was quite different from it actually, but nevertheless. 00:21:55.299 --> 00:21:58.859 I thought that was really well handled. It's 00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:02.740 not about Door Pilot, but it's linking Torchwood 00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:11.119 to Doctor Who. In a quite inventive way. Yeah. 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.940 They never told us what Torchwood was, if I remember 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:16.680 correctly. They went, Doctor Who's getting a 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.440 spin -off series, it's called Torchwood. And 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.859 then we didn't know what Torchwood was and had 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:25.119 to find out what Torchwood was via the series. 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.339 Yeah, so even though it was that early Russell 00:22:28.339 --> 00:22:31.000 T Davies thing of the arc is just a word that's 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:35.819 repeated, it had that additional... and weight 00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:39.700 to it. Ruby's not been announced as being in 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:41.339 the spinoff, is she? Because I'm wondering if 00:22:41.339 --> 00:22:44.200 that could be where her character continues as 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.259 well. She's certainly not among the regulars, 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:50.279 or not announced among the regulars, I should 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.880 say. Yeah, there was like a cast photo, I think, 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.420 put out, and she wasn't part of that group. But 00:22:57.420 --> 00:23:01.380 it hasn't actually got much of the new unit team 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:08.259 either. In fact, is it just Kate? And Ibrahim 00:23:08.259 --> 00:23:10.880 as well, I think. Yes, yes, Tish, you're right. 00:23:11.779 --> 00:23:15.079 But there's no Morris, there's no Shirley, there's 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.880 no Rose, there's no Donna supposedly working 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.380 for them. I feel like some of them must turn 00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:27.500 up, even if it's like cameos. Yeah, guest appearances. 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.420 I'd be very surprised if not, but I mean, we 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:32.980 don't know much about it really, do we? Is it 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:36.160 just that initial announcement? Is that it? It's 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:41.480 confirmed to be about sea devils, and I don't 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.819 know if there is much more beyond that. The other 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:47.480 new actors, I don't think we even know who they're 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.819 playing, do we? No, I don't think so. Oh, isn't 00:23:51.819 --> 00:23:58.299 the general from Children of Earth back? I can't 00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:00.740 remember the actor's name, which is really bad. 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.799 Yeah. Well, it might be same actor, it might 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.539 be same character, we don't know. But I can't 00:24:08.539 --> 00:24:10.140 remember the actor's name and that's really bad. 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.400 I can name you like 30 big finishes that he's 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:17.140 in. I did see something from Russell T Davies 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:20.160 saying that in terms of where it will be pitched, 00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:22.039 because this is what I was curious about, it's 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.539 not going to be as old as Torch was aimed, but 00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:29.000 it's going to be older than the main show. So 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.740 it's going to be a little bit more grown up. 00:24:32.380 --> 00:24:34.880 I think Torchwood was aimed at about 13, 14. 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:40.180 At least initially. Yeah, I think it's like, 00:24:40.220 --> 00:24:42.000 yeah, Torchwood is very much like the new adventure 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.420 novels. Like when they started, I think in both 00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:47.440 series, they were just very overexcited about 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.079 what they could do. Yes. And just like throw 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.640 in as many swears. It's like, we can say the 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.960 F word, so let's say the F word. And then they 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:58.640 realised, okay, we actually have to think about. 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.960 storytelling and character and they both improved 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.380 a lot as they went on we need to be grown up 00:25:05.380 --> 00:25:07.960 what's grown up sex is grown up I know alien 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:13.539 sex gas can you imagine just like being a fly 00:25:13.539 --> 00:25:21.079 on the wall at those initial pitchings yeah well 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.289 yeah Higher than the main show, but not quite 00:25:24.289 --> 00:25:26.390 as high as Torchwood. I'm happy with that. That 00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:30.910 can work. And it leans into sort of being a space 00:25:30.910 --> 00:25:32.890 where we can discuss all the social media stuff 00:25:32.890 --> 00:25:36.329 that I was on about before as well. Yeah, because 00:25:36.329 --> 00:25:38.849 I think this episode, coming back to Lucky Day, 00:25:39.049 --> 00:25:41.690 just in terms of the themes it's dealing with, 00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:44.130 this was probably skewing a little bit higher 00:25:44.130 --> 00:25:50.230 than the average. It wasn't the most cerebral 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:56.500 thing. But it was, I think, yeah, dealing with 00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:58.000 stuff that was like a little bit more advanced 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.660 than some Doctor Who episodes are. Yeah, absolutely. 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:05.900 But it had the opportunity to, I guess, you know, 00:26:05.900 --> 00:26:10.859 it was modern day. It was, yeah, it had room 00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:15.559 to. Yeah. And, you know, I'd always wondered, 00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:18.700 like, this episode was obviously set in the modern 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:22.039 day, but at the same time. We don't seem to have 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:23.940 a modern day. The Earth seems to have been destroyed 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:25.680 or whatever. The Doctor certainly can't get there. 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.339 So I did wonder how they were going to do that. 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.480 Having it be a Doctor Light didn't occur to me. 00:26:31.059 --> 00:26:35.059 It must be in the lead -up. Because Conrad spends 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:39.920 a year in prison, so it must be 2024 when most 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:44.000 of it takes place. There's a reference to Christmas, 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:48.440 though. We saw Ruby at Christmas briefly, didn't 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:54.539 we? Okay. So Christmas. Don't know. Yeah, I don't 00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:59.619 know. I don't know how that will work. Unit dating. 00:26:59.779 --> 00:27:04.599 It's back. Maybe it's a timeline reality thing. 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.519 Maybe it was a Christmas in the 70s or the 80s. 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:18.980 Ha ha. I don't know. Anyway. So. Anything else 00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:23.579 you want to add about Lucky Day, Ruby, Unit, 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:26.619 anything like that? I think we covered, like 00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:29.519 you talked about Ruby's PTSD. I think, again, 00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:32.960 just using those terms, skewing a little bit 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.660 older than some episodes would do. And apart 00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:38.559 from extended media, we haven't as explicitly 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.180 dealt with the fact that travelling with the 00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:44.599 Doctor would cause any normal human to go through 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:49.660 that. sort of stuff afterwards um and Conrad 00:27:49.660 --> 00:27:51.819 we haven't talked loads about him but I think 00:27:51.819 --> 00:27:55.000 the performance was really well judged to not 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.380 make him not make him such a sneering cartoony 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:01.539 villain that he lost all reality he was like 00:28:01.539 --> 00:28:07.920 a bit villainous but grounded enough to feel 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.740 real and to feel all the more frustrating and 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:14.690 hateable because of it um And I contrast it with 00:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.670 the guy in Robot Revolution, which I think was 00:28:19.670 --> 00:28:23.349 at the more cartoony end of things. Again, not 00:28:23.349 --> 00:28:26.009 criticism of the performer, but just like how 00:28:26.009 --> 00:28:30.289 it was written and how he's presented. That felt 00:28:30.289 --> 00:28:33.269 a bit more one -dimensional, whereas Conrad had 00:28:33.269 --> 00:28:36.309 a lot of depth. And we had more time to get to 00:28:36.309 --> 00:28:42.519 know him as well. Yes. I think we... I mean, 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:44.099 I'm assuming it was a deliberate decision, but 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:48.019 we never really got what a lot of what sort of 00:28:48.019 --> 00:28:50.799 the origin of Conrad was. That's the skipping 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.980 over stuff. Yeah, that's the stuff where like 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:54.799 if it was 10 minutes longer, I would have wanted 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:59.599 a scene like as a teenager or something. There 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.859 was the scene with his mum at the very start, 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.180 which sort of implied unpleasant childhood. Yeah, 00:29:06.259 --> 00:29:10.079 so it's very, very sketchy. Yeah, relatively 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.299 subtle very early on. I have to admit, I spent 00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:16.279 the first few minutes of the episode trying to 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:21.420 work out where I'd seen the kid that played Child 00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:24.079 Comrade before, and it was The Devil's Hour, 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.960 an Amazon series with Jessica Raine and Peter 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.500 Capaldi. He's in that as the creepiest kid that's 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:33.700 ever been in any kind of media ever. I was just 00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:35.680 looking at him like, I recognise that kid. That 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:37.380 kid scares me. Why does that kid scare me? And 00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:41.720 it's because he was in Devil's Hour. So, yeah, 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.319 I did spend the first few minutes of the episode 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.240 going, where have I seen that kid before that? 00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:49.339 Yeah. So I kind of didn't quite fully get that 00:29:49.339 --> 00:29:52.279 scene maybe, but there was certainly the implication 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.559 of home wasn't nice when Conrad was a child. 00:29:55.859 --> 00:29:58.589 Yeah. It was there. And again, that feels like 00:29:58.589 --> 00:30:00.950 something the novelization could feel like. But 00:30:00.950 --> 00:30:03.269 the interview with Unit for the job as well, 00:30:03.410 --> 00:30:06.549 you see it. You see a silent clip of it. But 00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.150 I almost wanted that montage of Conrad growing 00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:13.309 up, like 73 yards where you see the way his life 00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:15.450 is going. And you could have seeded those little 00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:18.130 hints about it taking a darker turn but not been 00:30:18.130 --> 00:30:20.789 as explicit with it and still preserve the reveal. 00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:24.589 Yeah, I wanted a bit more filling up. You could 00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:29.250 have had him been. sort of groomed by a right 00:30:29.250 --> 00:30:32.089 -wing gang or whatever, something like that. 00:30:32.089 --> 00:30:35.569 Or maybe that is a little bit too dark and heavy 00:30:35.569 --> 00:30:38.390 for the Doctor Who. Yeah, and it might have brought 00:30:38.390 --> 00:30:41.349 the surprise a bit as well, because then you'd 00:30:41.349 --> 00:30:43.710 have had that suspicion at the back of your mind. 00:30:44.789 --> 00:30:47.569 Well, you'd have dropped the flashback after 00:30:47.569 --> 00:30:50.569 the reveal, I suppose. Yeah, you could have filled 00:30:50.569 --> 00:30:54.569 out extra bits of flashback after that. Yeah, 00:30:54.650 --> 00:30:56.549 that was something that was missing. This really 00:30:56.549 --> 00:30:58.730 could have been a two -parter. Out of everything 00:30:58.730 --> 00:31:00.730 we've had so far this series, the one that I 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:02.609 wish was a two -parter is the one that the Doctor's 00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:06.670 not in. If it wasn't eight episodes, yeah, I'd 00:31:06.670 --> 00:31:08.730 agree. Because if it was 13 episodes, I would 00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:12.130 have quite happily had this taking up two slots 00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:16.009 to flesh out all of the stuff. Especially if, 00:31:16.049 --> 00:31:19.730 like last series, we had two Doctor Lights. That's 00:31:19.730 --> 00:31:24.180 how I'd have done it this series. Hopefully we've 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:26.059 not got two Doctor Likes this series. Hopefully 00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:28.859 that's the only one. I'm pretty sure we don't 00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:33.579 because it's five, six, and then the finale and 00:31:33.579 --> 00:31:36.319 everything seems to suggest that they're all 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.220 quite... Yeah, the main cast are in all of those. 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:42.720 We've seen quite a bit of Doctor -y stuff. Yeah. 00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:49.160 Yeah. But yeah, yeah, Conrad was very well done, 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.480 very well. very close enough, like you say, to 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.420 reality, to people that we see in the media all 00:31:57.420 --> 00:32:01.279 the time, to actually be quite a scary, sinister 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.279 villain. They weren't explicit about his political 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.940 leanings, but there was that sort of subtext 00:32:07.940 --> 00:32:10.720 of racism at the end with, like, get off my planet. 00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:13.059 Interestingly, like, echoing the Brigadier's 00:32:13.059 --> 00:32:19.910 words. Yeah, get off my world. but i think yeah 00:32:19.910 --> 00:32:24.289 we all know what type of um you know disinformation 00:32:24.289 --> 00:32:27.690 it's getting up uh and there can be disinformation 00:32:27.690 --> 00:32:30.970 on all sides of the political spectrum but oh 00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:36.430 absolutely it it it's kind of i think it's pretty 00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:40.130 clear that right now it's it's there's one type 00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:44.630 that's a particular issue yeah i i also think 00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:48.880 that using the think tank name from Robot, which 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.180 was a very deliberate choice, certainly on the 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.500 part of the writer, you know, he said so. They 00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:57.619 were definitely a right -wing organisation in 00:32:57.619 --> 00:33:02.099 Robot, so it's fair to extrapolate from that 00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:07.519 as well, I think. All right, well, before we 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.920 disappear, we didn't get to talk about the well 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.380 last week, or you didn't get to talk about the 00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:14.200 well last week, so do you just want to sort of 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:20.589 give us your hot well take? um yeah i'm just 00:33:20.589 --> 00:33:25.650 thinking back now uh uh i really liked it both 00:33:25.650 --> 00:33:29.809 as an episode in its own merits and i think because 00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:32.769 it was because i know some people's complaint 00:33:32.769 --> 00:33:35.230 was that the changes and the changes in the nature 00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:37.710 of the creature but i think the amount of time 00:33:37.710 --> 00:33:40.349 that's passed in universe it gives you an excuse 00:33:40.349 --> 00:33:42.250 for that it might not even be the same creature 00:33:42.250 --> 00:33:45.589 it might be you know, a different creature from 00:33:45.589 --> 00:33:48.569 the same species or related species we might 00:33:48.569 --> 00:33:50.789 have involved over those thousands of years. 00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:55.269 I think it makes sense in universe and it's a 00:33:55.269 --> 00:33:59.849 coherent, effective story in its own right. The 00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:04.910 twist at the very end, I liked that, that sort 00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:07.509 of horror trope of, you know, the monster is 00:34:07.509 --> 00:34:10.730 still out there. But then in retrospect, it does 00:34:10.730 --> 00:34:15.309 sort of make... make the sacrifice a bit, it 00:34:15.309 --> 00:34:17.690 sort of loses something when you see her sacrificing 00:34:17.690 --> 00:34:21.289 herself at the end and you know that this creature 00:34:21.289 --> 00:34:25.829 is just going to escape anyway. It's kind of 00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:28.269 what the creature does though, isn't it? Like 00:34:28.269 --> 00:34:31.170 trick people into killing each other. Like it 00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:33.829 did that in Midnight, like it tried to get everybody 00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:39.190 to kill it off. So it's, it's, yeah, I guess. 00:34:40.539 --> 00:34:45.159 It makes sense to an extent. Yeah, I thought 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.679 it was a good episode, though. I really enjoyed 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.460 it. I mean, I spoke about it last week, so I 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:51.300 won't go on for ages, but I'm still loving the 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.539 fact that we had a Midnight sequel, and I know 00:34:53.539 --> 00:34:56.360 that whether Midnight needed a sequel or whether 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.780 it really was a sequel to Midnight in anything 00:34:58.780 --> 00:35:01.760 but name is sort of up for discussion and has 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.039 been up for discussion. I'm happy to go with 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.980 it. I like it. It's a good idea. who's been around 00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:11.400 for 20 years now, it should be calling back to 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.159 itself. Not every reference has to be to flipping 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:18.500 Dragonfire or whatever. Doctor Who can reference 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:21.800 its recent past as well as its ancient past, 00:35:22.059 --> 00:35:26.340 for want of a better word. Yeah, it's this sort 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:29.679 of weird purist belief that, well, if we're not 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.179 referencing Marco Polo, it's not a proper reference, 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.929 is it? I mean, I'm... I've got issues with last 00:35:36.929 --> 00:35:39.670 season's finale, but I think a callback to the 00:35:39.670 --> 00:35:43.929 Midnight Creature here makes so much more sense 00:35:43.929 --> 00:35:48.889 than the callback to Sutec at the end of last 00:35:48.889 --> 00:35:51.590 season, just in terms of telling a coherent story 00:35:51.590 --> 00:35:53.510 within the show. Because if you didn't know what 00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:57.690 Midnight is, this story still works. But my sense 00:35:57.690 --> 00:36:01.769 is that if you don't know who Sutec is, you would 00:36:01.769 --> 00:36:04.320 feel like you were missing out watching. Last 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.099 season's finale. See, now I just feel disappointed 00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:11.840 we didn't get a TARDIS Tales updated CGI version 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.840 of Midnight. Like, let's finally make Midnight 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.239 high budget. But what would you update? Because 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.440 there's relatively few VFX shots once you're 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.860 in the bus. Very true. They could have added 00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:28.500 it. Add the creature, yeah. A little glimpse 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.599 of it out the window. Add the creature, add... 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.599 Exterior shots. You know how the war games added 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.340 the base control? Add exterior shots. What did 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:48.940 Crusader 50 look like on the outside? You could 00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:51.679 have the driver kind of floating around or something 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.219 like that. I don't know. It would have been ridiculously 00:36:55.219 --> 00:36:58.219 excessive. Midnight is not an episode that needs 00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:04.530 re -editing. Maybe one day. It'll have some dreadful 00:37:04.530 --> 00:37:08.130 music added to it, be made black and white and 00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:10.329 cut down to five minutes for a younger audience. 00:37:10.849 --> 00:37:13.929 I don't know how you would do it, because I think 00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:16.289 it's gotten even more in RTD2, but even from 00:37:16.289 --> 00:37:21.449 Rose onwards, there's not much fat or padding 00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:24.690 in episodes. It pretty much always rattles along 00:37:24.690 --> 00:37:27.869 pretty quickly. So how would you do cut -down 00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:32.670 versions of post -2005 Doctor Who? There's a 00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:36.329 few that I can think of that maybe could do with 00:37:36.329 --> 00:37:39.309 a re -edit. I'm not necessarily saying cut down, 00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:42.150 I'm saying a re -edit. To this day, I'm convinced 00:37:42.150 --> 00:37:47.090 that the Rebel Flesh two -parter makes no sense 00:37:47.090 --> 00:37:52.690 in places. I honestly think something goes wrong 00:37:52.690 --> 00:37:55.329 with the editing or they didn't get to film something. 00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:58.510 I don't know. Particularly in the second episode, 00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:00.829 it just feels like there's something missing 00:38:00.829 --> 00:38:04.210 or something not quite right. Yeah, I can see 00:38:04.210 --> 00:38:06.809 that, like fixes or reduxes or director's cuts. 00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:11.329 But the mission of the war games type thing seems 00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:14.489 to be get these things, squeeze these things 00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:20.030 down to a digestible length and do fun stuff 00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:23.389 like insert the master's theme and things like 00:38:23.389 --> 00:38:29.079 that as well. I'd be interested to see someone 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:35.920 try and see half hour versions of 2005 episodes 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:40.099 yeah there's got to be something that can have 00:38:40.099 --> 00:38:42.820 a bit trimmed and I'm fairly sure it's sort of 00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:47.719 I mean I can only think of episodes from series 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.420 6 and we've been on a massive series 6 tangent 00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:55.340 on this podcast while discussing The new series 00:38:55.340 --> 00:38:57.280 of Doctor Who before. So let's not go down there 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:03.639 again. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll leave it there. 00:39:04.219 --> 00:39:08.300 So it's still a strong series. We've not had 00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:11.519 a dud this series. Yeah. From two episodes. The 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.619 quality. I think it's been really strong since 00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:19.539 Lux onwards for me. Yeah. Robot Revolution was 00:39:19.539 --> 00:39:22.119 good. Did what a starting episode needed to do. 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.829 And then. The three that followed it have been 00:39:24.829 --> 00:39:26.510 very, very good. And they've all been very, very 00:39:26.510 --> 00:39:31.130 different. And there's been some nice surprises. 00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:36.690 So, yeah, let's keep this going. I hope that 00:39:36.690 --> 00:39:38.530 we just sort of keep the form going until the 00:39:38.530 --> 00:39:42.050 end of the series now. You know, we've got next 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:44.769 week's episode, which looks like we don't really 00:39:44.769 --> 00:39:47.230 know a lot about it, do we? It certainly doesn't 00:39:47.230 --> 00:39:50.070 seem to feature particularly highly. It's like 00:39:50.070 --> 00:39:52.820 shots of the spider in the barbershop. People 00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:55.320 shouting and arguing and I haven't picked up 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.639 much more beyond that. It's quite nice going 00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.920 into... Actually, this is one of the first it 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:02.440 feels like we're going in not knowing much and 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:08.119 that's quite nice. Intergalactic Song Contest, 00:40:08.139 --> 00:40:11.000 whatever it's called, that seems like we know 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.800 where that's going to go. We know there's a big 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:18.780 reveal because he said watch this one early to 00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:21.699 avoid spoilers. And then we don't know much about 00:40:21.699 --> 00:40:24.679 the finale. So actually, moving forward, I think 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.760 we've had the majority of the trailers. Yeah, 00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:31.659 which is good. Yeah. We kind of have a second 00:40:31.659 --> 00:40:33.260 half of the series that's a bit of a mystery 00:40:33.260 --> 00:40:37.000 to us. So roll that on. I like it. It's good. 00:40:38.179 --> 00:40:41.679 But yeah, I'm enjoying New Doctor Who far more 00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.340 than I did last year. I'm really enjoying this 00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.369 series. I enjoyed... I'm being unfair. I enjoyed 00:40:48.369 --> 00:40:50.650 series one, but I'm really enjoying this. This 00:40:50.650 --> 00:40:54.010 feels like proper can't wait for Saturday, Doctor 00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:59.070 Who. Yeah, it feels like it's built on last year, 00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:02.750 which will be a massive shame if there is a gap 00:41:02.750 --> 00:41:06.070 or hiatus because it feels like it's really finding 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:09.730 its feet after last year. Just like season 26. 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:14.880 Right, we will definitely leave it on that note 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.179 before we end up cancelling it ourselves. Well, 00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:19.719 yeah, thanks very much for joining me, Mansour. 00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:22.679 Obviously, we'll come back next week and we will 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.539 discuss the story in the engine. Story in the 00:41:26.539 --> 00:41:30.239 engine. Story in the engine. We'll discuss that 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.940 and we'll see if we get any hints about what's 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:36.099 going to happen beyond that, sort of between 00:41:36.099 --> 00:41:38.559 now and then. But I'm not expecting it, to be 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.340 honest. Yeah, Doctor Who's surprising me. It's 00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:44.670 good. Keep it up. All right, we'll leave it there 00:41:44.670 --> 00:41:46.849 then, and we will be back for more spodcasting 00:41:46.849 --> 00:41:48.369 very soon. Goodbye now.